Speaker 1: It's nice eyes, Dan Ray unknowing you Mazy Boston's News Radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we have spent two hours and we're going
Speaker 2: to continue to talk about this because I think we've
Speaker 2: had some interesting callers, and we've had some different voices,
Speaker 2: and we've had some familiar voices, but we've had more
Speaker 2: different voices than familiar voices. And I thank everyone. We
Speaker 2: began talking about this. At nine o'clock last night, the
Speaker 2: Brockton City Council voted to being homeless encampments in the
Speaker 2: City of Brockton. According to a city council with whom
Speaker 2: we spoke earlier this evening, our council is Shirley Asak,
Speaker 2: there's a group of about fifty sixty maybe seventy, chronically
Speaker 2: homeless people who are basically camping on public property, and
Speaker 2: they are doing everything else human beings do in private
Speaker 2: on public property.
Speaker 3: If you get my drift, which raises.
Speaker 2: The question of what should be done, what can be done? Well,
Speaker 2: City of brock then has taken a step, and whether
Speaker 2: you agree or disagree, let's talk about it. Six one seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Those lines are full. The only line that
Speaker 2: has opened a six one seven nine three one, ten thirty.
Speaker 2: We've had a variety of viewpoints, which is really gratifying,
Speaker 2: and the lines are now awful. So let's keep rolling
Speaker 2: and we're going to go to Matt. Matt, you are
Speaker 2: first up this hour at nightside.
Speaker 3: Welcome back, Matt, Hey, Dan, how you done? You're just
Speaker 3: great man? What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 4: All? Right?
Speaker 5: So I want to get a couple of and I
Speaker 5: want to be quick so everybody else can get in.
Speaker 5: Let me make a couple of quick comments. In college
Speaker 5: and growing up, not only in nass but down in Florida,
Speaker 5: I've seen the opioid academic affect many many people. Let
Speaker 5: me state I think the idea one of your callers made,
Speaker 5: because there is one in the United States since twenty
Speaker 5: twenty two in New York and injection clinic. Now at
Speaker 5: that clinic, I just want to be clear being no
Speaker 5: nurses or anybody are injecting or bringing the substances to you.
Speaker 5: But if you were an overdose there, you are supervised.
Speaker 5: And there were no deaths over a year and a
Speaker 5: half span except when they were closed. And this was
Speaker 5: in the city of New York. I don't know which
Speaker 5: euro occurred, but when they were closed. It did, so
Speaker 5: I want to say that that's an idea. However, with
Speaker 5: that being the oversight, I think that police, you know,
Speaker 5: down a mass ad and down in other places and
Speaker 5: stuff like that, that alcoholism and things of other you know,
Speaker 5: just impoverishment or just not be able to find job placement.
Speaker 5: There are people who might be rightfully unemployed and homeless,
Speaker 5: who maybe drug addicts or who may not be.
Speaker 6: It's not my.
Speaker 5: Place to decide which of that sixty people are in
Speaker 5: Brockton or not because I don't know. But the police
Speaker 5: will chase you out.
Speaker 7: The police will chase you out.
Speaker 5: People sleep on the train on the key. This is
Speaker 5: not new that Broughton saying that brought and they're rough
Speaker 5: one of the rougher neighborhoods in the state. I wouldn't
Speaker 5: say that that's new that they're saying that. Now, will
Speaker 5: you know, you know, detain you because there are many
Speaker 5: people who will find that a natural benefit, people who
Speaker 5: really dont people who are truly homeless. And it's to
Speaker 5: be a very cold as it's starting to and for
Speaker 5: a couple of months, you know, a public intoxication misdemeanor
Speaker 5: charge is not going to be a turn for a
Speaker 5: fifty year old. We may have five or six to
Speaker 5: these charges already and now get you know, three squares.
Speaker 5: My bottom line is that we need to address the
Speaker 5: main problem in the state with whatever it may be.
Speaker 5: And I don't think it's during incarceration. But I don't
Speaker 5: think it's through a handout either, making it easy to
Speaker 5: say that you could be homeless. But the bottom line
Speaker 5: is that what Broxton is doing is not the answer.
Speaker 5: And I think that they ultimately need to have funding
Speaker 5: where it's put up on a certain level equal to
Speaker 5: the level with that right now or less defined proper
Speaker 5: for housing, or at least allow these people to encamp.
Speaker 5: Thank you, Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3: All right, Matt. Interesting points.
Speaker 2: You made a number of points there and some of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting points. Thanks Matt, appreciate it.
Speaker 5: Okay, Okay, keep growing here.
Speaker 2: Let's it will continue along. I don't want want to
Speaker 2: get to people. Mark and Muburn. You have been patient,
Speaker 2: you waited through the news. You're next one.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 8: I go ahead, Mark, I Dan. I just want to
Speaker 8: say you've got the best job on the planet. I
Speaker 8: would love to get into that anyway.
Speaker 3: I got to be honest with me.
Speaker 2: You have to learn to listen, and you also have
Speaker 2: to know when to try to move the conversation.
Speaker 3: So it's, yes, agreed, challenge to it.
Speaker 8: There's a challenge, agreed. Well, here's something that might open
Speaker 8: up a whole new can of worms to keep the
Speaker 8: conversation going, which is what we like.
Speaker 3: Love it? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 8: Yes. Well, first of all, the big issue is funding.
Speaker 8: Where's this money going to come from? And nobody wants
Speaker 8: to raise tax revenue. However, there's a lot of text,
Speaker 8: there are a lot of subsidies that have already been
Speaker 8: given out, and personally, I'm an atheist, so I think
Speaker 8: you can see where this is going. I would say
Speaker 8: to the churches, if you want to keep your tax
Speaker 8: exempt status, you use some of your buildings, your basements
Speaker 8: or whatever and help us with this problem. And it
Speaker 8: could actually be a good thing because churches have a
Speaker 8: fantastic way of getting people into recovery. They can recruit
Speaker 8: people for the clergy, and I think another solution might
Speaker 8: be people who are well enough to enter into military
Speaker 8: service if they can get a special dispensation or whatever
Speaker 8: blah blah blah, or another like a city year kind
Speaker 8: of thing.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you'll say, raise three questions. Okay, respond churches
Speaker 2: do a lot of this stuff already. It's to compel
Speaker 2: at church. I do think that they you could use
Speaker 2: that as a little bit of leverage in terms of
Speaker 2: how much the churches. The churches are not taxed and
Speaker 2: they do not pay. Even schools are taxed, and and
Speaker 2: most schools and universities pay a payment in lieu of taxes,
Speaker 2: churches are not taxed.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you can use that as leverage
Speaker 3: on churches.
Speaker 8: I'm a big fan of removing tax exempt status for
Speaker 8: religion because I don't want to subsidize it.
Speaker 3: Totally. Get it, totally.
Speaker 2: And by the way, the churches do great work in
Speaker 2: terms of educating people and in terms of hospitals, so
Speaker 2: they don't write a check every year. Private institutions do
Speaker 2: Harvard and MIT and BU and Northeastern, they will write
Speaker 2: a check and they will also do like scholarships. But
Speaker 2: but churches are loath to write a check, and they
Speaker 2: will point to all the good they do.
Speaker 3: So that's number one.
Speaker 2: In terms of the military, the military, they have become
Speaker 2: a very professional branch and they do not view their
Speaker 2: their purpose as social service. And the idea about you know,
Speaker 2: the old days, it used to be that someone got
Speaker 2: in trouble, the kid was eighteen years old, and the
Speaker 2: jander say, oh look you're either going to go to jail,
Speaker 2: you're going to join the military.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, a kid that the.
Speaker 3: Military could deal with.
Speaker 2: But if you say someone who's drug addicted and say
Speaker 2: to the military, we want you to kind of work
Speaker 2: with this guy, that's gonna be tough, that's well.
Speaker 8: But no, but the but the brain surgeon, the neurosis.
Speaker 8: You know, there are going to be some people who
Speaker 8: I think could be put into that, pushed in that direction,
Speaker 8: who can be become I can't think of the word
Speaker 8: right now because I'm cold medication, but you know.
Speaker 3: It can be rehabilitated.
Speaker 8: You mean, yes, yes, absolutely, well.
Speaker 2: In terms in terms of the story that Mike told
Speaker 2: from Lynn, I think that's who you're referring to.
Speaker 8: Fantastic story. By the way, well it.
Speaker 2: Is a fantastic story. But you have to realize that
Speaker 2: one is the person as a lawyer now I speak
Speaker 2: to you. One is the is the the person who
Speaker 2: claims to reinsurch in telling Mike the truth.
Speaker 3: So you have those sorts of but are the people
Speaker 3: whose lives fall apart.
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, absolutely, there are lawyers who end up with
Speaker 2: alcohol serious alcoholic drug problems. Absolutely absolutely those people can
Speaker 2: be rehabilitated. But if you're some fifty year old who's
Speaker 2: a drug addict at this point and you've been involved
Speaker 2: with drugs for a.
Speaker 8: Long time, yeah, well that's why I was thinking something
Speaker 8: like Peace Corps or City Corps or something in that perspective.
Speaker 2: City here, those are all great programs, and if you
Speaker 2: can find someone who's willing to participate in that program
Speaker 2: with some discipline, I think those are all good suggestions.
Speaker 2: I mean that I'm not patronizing you here. I think
Speaker 2: those are all No.
Speaker 8: I understand, yeah, I understand it. And I was trying
Speaker 8: to think outside the box in ways that will not
Speaker 8: cause more capital, an extra outlay of public funding, if
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, use the infrastructure that's already there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you did think outside the box. And by
Speaker 2: the way, the public funding isn't going to be there.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're looking we have a trillion a thirty
Speaker 2: six thirty seven trillion dollar deficit debts, a federal debt,
Speaker 2: meaning that's what oh, a deficit is how much money
Speaker 2: from year to year. So our federal deficit is maybe
Speaker 2: a couple of trillion, but you got to put that
Speaker 2: on top of the thirty five trillion.
Speaker 3: That's why you get to thirty seven. It's like absolutely right,
Speaker 3: those credit cards.
Speaker 8: And the question is is you know, are we going
Speaker 8: to be facing austerity measures like Ireland did a few
Speaker 8: years ago. But that's another discussion. For another reason, it
Speaker 8: is yes, it is.
Speaker 3: Hey, this is your first.
Speaker 8: Time calling, right, No, I've called a few times, and
Speaker 8: I under the mistaken impression that I had to come
Speaker 8: up with something that would solve the problem, not to
Speaker 8: keep the discussion going. Now I realize part of your
Speaker 8: job is keeping this discussion going and introducing new ideas
Speaker 8: and looking at new perspectives so that the discussion is
Speaker 8: continued and even impossibly deepened.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you just helped me. You helped me.
Speaker 8: Thank you. Okay, Like I said, I think you've got
Speaker 8: the best job on the planet.
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask it. I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: Okay, sure, I think the best job on the planet,
Speaker 2: pot probably is playing center field for the Red Sox
Speaker 2: or something. But I have a little past aage. What
Speaker 2: type of work do you do? You sound like a
Speaker 2: really bright guy, well spoken. What sort of work do
Speaker 2: you do generally.
Speaker 8: We talked before. I'm a rare coin dealer, Oh right, right, right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'm a paralegal. I have a degree in English literature.
Speaker 8: I've studied history, I've done a little bit of everything
Speaker 8: in my fifty eight years, and right now I'm dealing
Speaker 8: with rare coins and sports cards have kind of gotten
Speaker 8: away from me. You know.
Speaker 9: The the market oftened, the market what the market is
Speaker 9: softening because of the economic woes, So your precious metals
Speaker 9: and things like that, and coins are much more it's
Speaker 9: a much more stable market.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The coin market fascinates me too, because I'm somebody who
Speaker 2: I'm always looking at coins. Even when I find the
Speaker 2: weak pennies from nineteen forty three, I get it, and
Speaker 2: they're not worth They're worth maybe a nickel maybe, So maybe.
Speaker 8: You never know when you're going to find a nineteen
Speaker 8: fourteen with D penny or nineteen fifty five double dye
Speaker 8: or nineteen twenty one. There are a few key dates
Speaker 8: even in lower grades that yeah, but.
Speaker 3: Guess what, You're gonna spend a lot of time looking.
Speaker 8: Okay, well, that's part of the fun of the hobby
Speaker 8: you know either that are sitting in front of the
Speaker 8: TV right.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mark, I appreciate your call was great.
Speaker 8: A pleasure talking with you right.
Speaker 3: Back at you. You could do this job, by the way.
Speaker 8: You're you're you would love you to.
Speaker 3: I know, I believe me, so don't take my job
Speaker 3: for me. But but you.
Speaker 8: Could do what A DJ in college as well?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: WRU Union College, Oh, Union College, great in.
Speaker 3: The the the the alba mater of Chester.
Speaker 8: A Arthur a Arthur. Wow, you get twenty extra points
Speaker 8: for that.
Speaker 2: There are not many talk show hosts of America who
Speaker 2: can cite Chester A. Arthur from his statue at Union College.
Speaker 8: But and one of the least controversial presidents in the
Speaker 8: history of our country.
Speaker 3: This is true, This is true.
Speaker 2: But it was a it was an interesting time period
Speaker 2: in the eighteen eighties, Oh definitely.
Speaker 8: I mean that was right after reconstruction kind of collapsed.
Speaker 8: And that's another subject for another time.
Speaker 3: Thanks Mark, We talk soon, Okay. I love the call.
Speaker 8: I look forward to it. Have a wonderful night.
Speaker 3: Back at you.
Speaker 2: Okay, got to take a break. I got Mary. Actually
Speaker 2: we've got Mark and Cambridge coming up. I got Karen
Speaker 2: out in Wisconsin. I got Manny and Gloucester. I got
Speaker 2: Mike and Lynn, and I got some room for you
Speaker 2: if you want to give us a call.
Speaker 3: Six thirty is the only line open. Coming right back
Speaker 3: on Nightside.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: night Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Next up is Mark, a different Mark. This one's in Cambridge,
Speaker 2: Mark and Cambridge. Next on Nightside. Your thoughts, my friend,
Speaker 2: go right ahead.
Speaker 7: Thank you Dan for taking my call. This is Market
Speaker 7: Central Square, Cambridge. Yeah, I agree with. I agree with
Speaker 7: the city councils in blockton YEP and just like Cambridge.
Speaker 7: Like I said, I live in Central Square and they
Speaker 7: just recently removed the benches from the bus depots because
Speaker 7: everybody's hanging out there. That's that that is not hitting
Speaker 7: on MBTA. They're hanging out there. They're doing open market
Speaker 7: drug use.
Speaker 6: I mean it, mass.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Mark, and all you know tell me.
Speaker 2: I know you'll tell me the truth. Are you you
Speaker 2: know you selling here a young guy? Uh So I'm
Speaker 2: asking you. Do you ever feel intimidated as you're walking,
Speaker 2: you know, through Central Square at any different time during
Speaker 2: the day or do these folks just kind of state
Speaker 2: to themselves or do they Are they ever intimidating?
Speaker 7: Well not to me. I'm a big guy. I'm six
Speaker 7: feet two inches three hundred and forty pounds.
Speaker 2: You could play for the Patriots, man, you could play
Speaker 2: for the Patriots.
Speaker 3: They they were looking for some offensive line. But we
Speaker 3: could have got you a job.
Speaker 7: You know, why why? I just need to get knees.
Speaker 10: I get too knee placements.
Speaker 7: Ie to work out every day. But anyway, just recently,
Speaker 7: just Saturday, I I one in my building. I'm frankly star.
Speaker 7: I went in my building and I'm like, what are
Speaker 7: you doing through? I mean, oh, I'm looking for somebody. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: you trying to take packages. So I in the the
Speaker 7: you know, the the sogeant in the Cambridge Police department
Speaker 7: which covers Central Square, and he came and escorted them out.
Speaker 7: I mean, you don't wear gloves in the summertime, right,
Speaker 7: I mean, but you know they they defecate there by
Speaker 7: the management office, they urinate, you know. I mean, it
Speaker 7: is a problem. I mean, everybody has untold story. I
Speaker 7: understand that, I get it, but I mean on this,
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, I think it's a good idea
Speaker 7: for Boughton and you know what, they shouldn't acted in Cambridge.
Speaker 7: I mean I just went down math and cast. Yeah there,
Speaker 7: I'm a tow truck try without math and cast, and
Speaker 7: they got the jersey value from math and cast back
Speaker 7: to hand the street, which but with that, they're making
Speaker 7: people walk onto men in the cast, which I don't
Speaker 7: think you should be allowed because I mean, person, it's
Speaker 7: it's it's it's.
Speaker 2: You know, we thought that that had been solved. Remember,
Speaker 2: they've been a big show of it. They sent the
Speaker 2: police down there one night. They took all of the
Speaker 2: test out and my understanding, I haven't been back there,
Speaker 2: but my understanding is that's pretty much back.
Speaker 7: All they did was just spread it out. They were
Speaker 7: massive casts. The other sweet they're off of massat by
Speaker 7: U Haul. They're over there. The women are doing prostitution.
Speaker 7: I see this. I'm always in the area anyway. I'm
Speaker 7: a tow truck operator, so I'm always doing triple A cars.
Speaker 7: I've seen them there. They're there and Cambridges. I mean,
Speaker 7: at least they have the warming center in Central Square.
Speaker 7: But for most people that want to go in, it's
Speaker 7: that don't want to go in. And when I come
Speaker 7: home at three o'clock in the morning, they're still out
Speaker 7: there by Citizen Bank in Central Square, mass AFT.
Speaker 10: I mean a few of them.
Speaker 7: There's fuel them at the Bank of America.
Speaker 3: Shame on, Shame on Cambridge. The cambridge doesn't move them
Speaker 3: and say, come on, guys, let's go. It's three o'clock
Speaker 3: in the morning. Time to go home.
Speaker 7: Nope, they don't do it. Nope, absolutely not.
Speaker 3: So you're you're a tow truck You're a tow truck driver.
Speaker 2: With your size, no one's gonna no one's gonna fight
Speaker 2: with you when you hook that car.
Speaker 7: I assume no, I mean now, and then you get
Speaker 7: somebody else to argue. But like I said, I do
Speaker 7: tip away. So I'm not really into the trust pass.
Speaker 3: You're not a repo guy. God, you got it right.
Speaker 7: Hey, darn listen. I appreciate you taking my car, but
Speaker 7: like I said, it is a it's a it's a
Speaker 7: it's a it's a country epidemic. It's just everywhere.
Speaker 6: I mean.
Speaker 2: But let me tell you, I I I really appreciate
Speaker 2: your perspective, and I appreciate you calling my program, and
Speaker 2: please continue to do so.
Speaker 6: Okay, I won't thank you very much, Thank you much.
Speaker 7: Have a good night.
Speaker 2: All right, buddy, all right, let me get Karen in Wisconsin. Karen,
Speaker 2: I'm going to get you in here before the news.
Speaker 3: How are you tonight.
Speaker 11: I'm fine, very sad.
Speaker 2: I assume that that has that relates to the election.
Speaker 11: No, what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: It's just okay, good.
Speaker 11: Got you. Well, yeah, I'm sad about that. You know,
Speaker 11: I can't do two things once. I'm just on your topic.
Speaker 11: I've said this before, and I was part of it
Speaker 11: in the it was the eighties, but there was help,
Speaker 11: and the funding was taken away. Now at this point
Speaker 11: we've got I don't know where the funding comes from,
Speaker 11: but you've got to make choices between you know, you've
Speaker 11: got to fund and help people and build places to
Speaker 11: help them, or you've got this problem to deal with.
Speaker 11: And this is what you've got. And so I know
Speaker 11: a woman that in Met State, she drank so bad
Speaker 11: that her whole jaw was so shut, and they finally
Speaker 11: committed her for a year. And the crime was because
Speaker 11: she couldn't quit drinking and she was cost you know,
Speaker 11: she was a liability to herself and everyone else. So
Speaker 11: there was help then, and now there isn't, and you've
Speaker 11: got to make choices, get rid of you know what,
Speaker 11: make the bike pass skinnier then and put some funding
Speaker 11: into helping because otherwise this is all you've got and
Speaker 11: we're just going to argue over what to do with them.
Speaker 11: You know the problem, that's the problem.
Speaker 2: The problem is when you make those choices, you say
Speaker 2: to yourself, Okay.
Speaker 3: Do we keep pouring money down a hole in the ground.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't you know the problem with folks
Speaker 2: who have addictions, and I have plenty of friends who
Speaker 2: have had addictions and plenty of friends who have those addictions.
Speaker 2: You've got to want to do it, and there should
Speaker 2: be programs available. But I don't think you can force
Speaker 2: people to do it. I think people have to come
Speaker 2: to that realization themselves. That's been the experience I've had.
Speaker 11: Well, they do, and they do, but there there comes
Speaker 11: a point where you can you can lock them up
Speaker 11: and put them in you know, and lock them up
Speaker 11: and you know, put them in a program by locking
Speaker 11: them up, and maybe if that goes under vagrancy or
Speaker 11: you can I got.
Speaker 3: No, I get it.
Speaker 2: You get the Civil Liberties Union coming in and say
Speaker 2: that that law is arbitrary, vague, arbitrary, and capricious, and
Speaker 2: they throw some lingo in there and the judge says, yeah,
Speaker 2: that law is unconstitutional.
Speaker 11: And then well, I just know what I went through,
Speaker 11: and there were detoxes and there was help and tell
Speaker 11: the funding.
Speaker 2: And I'm happy for you, Karen, I really am. And
Speaker 2: I'm happy that you had the courage to call and
Speaker 2: basically testify that that you that you have somehow come
Speaker 2: out the under end of this business.
Speaker 11: And I just feel bad for you, know, I know
Speaker 11: there are people that don't want help and you can't
Speaker 11: and then at some point you force them with the
Speaker 11: law and you've got to just decide where to put
Speaker 11: the money or you got this problem. And there you go.
Speaker 11: I don't want to keep competing. Okay, thank you, good night,
Speaker 11: Thanks thank okay, you too.
Speaker 3: Okay. One line at six one seven, two four ten thirty.
Speaker 3: One line at six one seven, nine three thirty.
Speaker 2: Uh the only line open now with six one, seven,
Speaker 2: nine ten thirty. The lines have been full all night.
Speaker 2: Just keep trying. We'll be back on Nightside right after
Speaker 2: the news break at the bottom of the hour.
Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Ray on Way Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: We're going up to Gloucester to see Many Many. When'
Speaker 2: they going to get this strikeover with?
Speaker 3: Manny? What's going on up there?
Speaker 10: I know it.
Speaker 4: Well, it's uh they're going since Carolyn Kirk was in anyway.
Speaker 4: But about the lady Margaret. I loved Margaret talking about
Speaker 4: not only did she knit something, but it was like
Speaker 4: crocheade Margaret. She was a wonderful woman listening to her.
Speaker 3: But yeah, which which station will you listen to your?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Many Many.
Speaker 2: I don't think I had a Margaret on tonight. Are
Speaker 2: you talking about my show or another show?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: The woman that just spoke before the commercial break?
Speaker 2: Oh, Karen Karen O, Karen, I'm sorry, that's okay, Karen
Speaker 2: from Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you said Margaret, I'm saying, g who's me
Speaker 3: talking about? Go ahead?
Speaker 4: Man, I'm sorry, but yeah, I'm from the seventies and stuff.
Speaker 4: And I did that spin drive thing that she's trying
Speaker 4: to cover for that. Like I said, she didn't knit.
Speaker 4: I mean she actually crocheted a net around them people.
Speaker 4: But it was a freedom of choice. In nineteen seventy two,
Speaker 4: I found out what a four year was for them
Speaker 4: of information when I went to Bridgewater State College. My
Speaker 4: friends were there. To be an engineer, I had to
Speaker 4: have the greef, so I had to start there. And
Speaker 4: I learned how to turn the front of a bicycle
Speaker 4: around and take the tire off and hoist the tag
Speaker 4: of beer up to the third floor.
Speaker 2: These are things you learned in college many there. They're
Speaker 2: essential for life. These are life lessons.
Speaker 4: I did the boy of request after I did a
Speaker 4: spriend spin dry in Beverly. I think it was called
Speaker 4: I forget the name of it, but I have no.
Speaker 3: Idea what to spend many.
Speaker 4: I may have lived in the seventies when what she
Speaker 4: was talking about. What they're all talking about. All your
Speaker 4: calls are talking about getting help, whether it's treated as
Speaker 4: an addiction or a disease.
Speaker 2: But I've never heard of I mean, you know, I
Speaker 2: know what a spin dry is a in terms of
Speaker 2: drug what's a spin drive?
Speaker 3: What's that mean?
Speaker 4: You go into a detox and you come out, they
Speaker 4: give your Because I did, they give you a librium.
Speaker 4: It was so funny. I said, what are the rails
Speaker 4: on the wall for? And the guy says, you'll find out,
Speaker 4: and after you do your medications, you need those rails
Speaker 4: on the walls.
Speaker 2: So the room is spinning. I get it. Okay, now, okay.
Speaker 4: They had those back in the seventies and they relied
Speaker 4: on not the world. They didn't have the World Health
Speaker 4: Organization back then. I fed the New England Journal of
Speaker 4: Medicine the junior version and you can check me on this,
Speaker 4: but it still says that it's treated as if it
Speaker 4: was a disease. It's not a disease, but in the
Speaker 4: eighties they created it as a disease to sound like it.
Speaker 4: And that's why I because I did the A eight
Speaker 4: the twelve step group meetings. There, whether you're at the
Speaker 4: photo photography there shooting the picture down your pants, or
Speaker 4: whether you're drinking or doing drugs, it's all free of
Speaker 4: my choice. Hey, I'm up there were Charlie toolpal. It's
Speaker 4: all afraid of my choice.
Speaker 3: Charlie manny, I'm just losing a little bit. Who's Charlie?
Speaker 4: Oh your dog?
Speaker 3: Oh oh yeah, Charlie the dog. Yeah. Well, Charlie.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is, what I'm saying is uh, I.
Speaker 2: Thought you were telling me you were up in heaven?
Speaker 2: Would would I thought you were calling from heaven?
Speaker 3: Many here for a.
Speaker 4: Second, I'm a science engine there of the most Roman Catholic,
Speaker 4: and I'm also laid up with broken neck, back and
Speaker 4: cancer and all kinds of stuff like this is already
Speaker 4: before if I go back to the original part, what
Speaker 4: I'm saying is about like your primary care doctor. A
Speaker 4: lot of these people do this on their free will.
Speaker 4: Because I've seen people. I was at the nuclear missile site,
Speaker 4: the Nike village place in Topsfield for six months because
Speaker 4: when I come home from the Navy, I got in
Speaker 4: trouble with a girl. There are.
Speaker 3: Too much Were you on drugs when you were at
Speaker 3: the nuclear I got.
Speaker 4: To drink and when I came home, but I looked
Speaker 4: out of that one to the Nike village up in
Speaker 4: top Field. I've met some people that actually do this
Speaker 4: for a living. They actually go homeless and they're like
Speaker 4: doing it. And I've had friends like you say, you're
Speaker 4: on drugs and stuff. I don't throw rocks at them.
Speaker 4: They don't. They come knocking at my door eleven o'clock
Speaker 4: that night. I give them a fight all a bill
Speaker 4: or a pack of cigarettes. I've seen them go through
Speaker 4: it all.
Speaker 3: You've had an interesting life. Many you should write a
Speaker 3: book here.
Speaker 12: I think if you explain me back, all that money
Speaker 12: should go back into the old fashioned detok centers that
Speaker 12: they used to have, and then to.
Speaker 4: Go around the corner and come back to our mayor
Speaker 4: and our chief of police about how we have these
Speaker 4: people on town trying to go to school and have
Speaker 4: lunches and stuff, and the teachers on strike. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's where everything starts his education.
Speaker 3: I hate to do this to you, but many got
Speaker 3: pack lines.
Speaker 2: I'm going to let you go for now, but you
Speaker 2: keep calling the show, okay, because you're you're one.
Speaker 3: Of my more interesting callers. That's for sure. You've had
Speaker 3: you have had a life experience like none other.
Speaker 2: I now know. I now know what this what a
Speaker 2: spin dry is. I learned something tonight, Thanks Manny.
Speaker 4: And if you want to know something else, look up
Speaker 4: many roaches special needs dances. So I've been around the
Speaker 4: special needs people with autism.
Speaker 10: And all that.
Speaker 3: All right, man, you got you got the water front cover.
Speaker 2: Man, you gotta run, I gotta run. Thank you much,
Speaker 2: my friend. Have a great night. Good night, okay, Mike
Speaker 2: and Lynn. Mike, you were the second Mike and Lynn tonight.
Speaker 6: Go ahead, Mike and Lynn, see you brother. How you
Speaker 6: doing doing great?
Speaker 3: What's on your mind? Mike?
Speaker 6: I don't stand this man talking about what he was
Speaker 6: talking about.
Speaker 8: A lot of.
Speaker 6: It don't make no sense.
Speaker 2: Uh, Which which person you're talking about? The gentleman just
Speaker 2: before you?
Speaker 6: Yeah, man, Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Was talking about a lot of different stuff. But what
Speaker 2: do you want to talk about?
Speaker 6: What I want to talk about? Talk about the effect,
Speaker 6: the tea case.
Speaker 10: They're good people, the good woman.
Speaker 6: Who's who?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 2: I'm just Mike, I think we got a bad connection.
Speaker 2: Who are the good women you talking about?
Speaker 6: I'm talking about K T K. And I'm talking about
Speaker 6: the woman. They look up for you kids and Mikes
Speaker 6: and they do the right job.
Speaker 2: Okay, I will take that into consideration. I appreciate you
Speaker 2: taking the time to call. Thanks Mike. All right, let
Speaker 2: me take a quick break here. All of a sudden,
Speaker 2: I got a couple of lines open six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty one at six one, seven nine. I didn't
Speaker 2: quite get exactly what Mike was saying, but he was
Speaker 2: six inct. We'll be back on Nightside after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: Okay, you wanna get the train back on track. Here,
Speaker 2: ladies and John, let's go to Christine and Denim. Christine,
Speaker 2: you were next on nights side.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear from you. Christine, go right ahead.
Speaker 13: You had some couple of worners there before.
Speaker 7: Huh, Well, there.
Speaker 3: Are different perspectives. We always enjoyed different perspectives. Let's put
Speaker 3: it like that. Christine.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I was just you know, thinking like, what about
Speaker 13: the hospitals that have closed. Can't they rehire the staff
Speaker 13: and have the homeless going to the hospitals that are
Speaker 13: now closed or the churches something.
Speaker 2: The problem is that there's a lot of people who
Speaker 2: are homeless who enjoy living outdoors. There there are people
Speaker 2: there are they will do every year they'll do these.
Speaker 3: These surveys in Boston. They do this what they call
Speaker 3: the census. They try to find that people are homeless.
Speaker 3: And a lot of these.
Speaker 2: People say that they believe that, you know, that when
Speaker 2: they're in a in a shelter, that they don't know
Speaker 2: who's next to them, and they're they fear a lot
Speaker 2: of people just want to be left alone. And those
Speaker 2: are the people who stay outside. And we've talked, you know,
Speaker 2: to some of the street workers who will tell you
Speaker 2: that that there are people who just would prefer to
Speaker 2: be left alone, and they that they fear, they feared
Speaker 2: the other homeless people.
Speaker 3: So it's tough. I mean, it's it's tough. And then
Speaker 3: you have the behavior that was described to us earlier
Speaker 3: tonight out of Brockton. How can a community tolerate that?
Speaker 3: I don't think.
Speaker 13: That's I don't know. And I've press from the nursing home,
Speaker 13: people in the nursing home, the workers that stay there.
Speaker 13: In the next couple of years, they've heard they're going
Speaker 13: to stop putting the homeless and the nursing homes among
Speaker 13: all the other elderly people, which I think is scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope they they They did something like that
Speaker 2: during HOVID in COVID, remember, they took patients who were
Speaker 2: COVID positive and intermissed them in nursing homes, particularly in
Speaker 2: New York in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: And it cost a lot of it costs a lot
Speaker 3: of lives.
Speaker 13: Yeah, Christine, Yeah, yeah, I hope to god they won't
Speaker 13: do this. Damp I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I'm totally with you.
Speaker 13: They've got to do something, though, I don't know. All
Speaker 13: these hospitals now that are now closed. I don't know.
Speaker 13: Could they do something I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, it's cost a lot of money to reopen the hospital.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, the Seward Hospital story was a horrific
Speaker 2: hospital story.
Speaker 3: They're trying to get those hospitals back up online.
Speaker 2: Look Norwood Hospital, which is far from you, it closed
Speaker 2: because of the floods of a couple of years ago,
Speaker 2: three years ago, never reopened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no, a lot of you know, Look, we got.
Speaker 3: To get our act together.
Speaker 2: We're we're in deep in debt, and we and we
Speaker 2: have more problems than we have money to solve those problems.
Speaker 3: So somehow we got to figure out our priorities.
Speaker 13: The whole thing is closed.
Speaker 2: The borders, well that's a factor, and I think you're
Speaker 2: going to see the borders closed, at least from what
Speaker 2: it looks like with President Trump's cabinet appoint Ye. They
Speaker 2: were talking about that down in down in Brockton, that
Speaker 2: a lot of the shelters are full because migrants have
Speaker 2: come in. They're they're there, and the the the traditional
Speaker 2: American homeless are the ones who are left out in
Speaker 2: the cold. Thank you, Christine, talk soon, Okay, appreciate it you.
Speaker 3: Too. Let me go to Robin Boston, Rob you next
Speaker 3: time nights.
Speaker 14: I go right ahead, Rob, Hey, Dan, I uh, you know,
Speaker 14: I think about these things, and uh, it comes to mind.
Speaker 14: We have a situation that it takes a village. Now
Speaker 14: I believe that we should make this village and and
Speaker 14: and and make it a community where people like this
Speaker 14: lady that come out of the supermarket in Mall Than
Speaker 14: the other day and ask me for some money for
Speaker 14: some foo for her and her dog. And I wanted
Speaker 14: to give it to her, but uh, I knew that
Speaker 14: she had like one tooth and what the money was
Speaker 14: not going to go into food. I offered her some food,
Speaker 14: some tuna, fish and pineapple, and then she told me
Speaker 14: she couldn't eat and her dog was sick. And I
Speaker 14: wanted to give it her five bucks. But this girl
Speaker 14: was about seventy pounds. And this is everywhere we always was.
Speaker 3: How was that girl?
Speaker 14: He was going to have maybe thirty poof unbelievable and
Speaker 14: she got to weighed about seventy five pounds Dan, and.
Speaker 3: She still a life expectancy.
Speaker 2: She's probably got a life expectancy of about five years
Speaker 2: when you think about.
Speaker 14: It, well, and and finding somebody like that two hundred
Speaker 14: dollars or two hundred and fifty dollars, it's not going
Speaker 14: to get paid. It's not going to do any good
Speaker 14: except put more stress on them. We need to take
Speaker 14: this billion dollars a month that was spending on newcomers,
Speaker 14: and we need to build this village, and we need
Speaker 14: to take care of our own people that are walking
Speaker 14: around the streets like at Melania Calf Picture someplace like.
Speaker 14: You just get some bull nooses, clear out the trees,
Speaker 14: You build this facility, You teach them carpentry or sewing
Speaker 14: or a trade. You know, you have like a closed
Speaker 14: community just for our homeless and and drug effected. We're
Speaker 14: burying three hundred people across the country a day from
Speaker 14: from from fentanyl alone. We don't take care of our own,
Speaker 14: but we come up with a billion dollars a month
Speaker 14: in Massachusetts. It's not what I want my tax money
Speaker 14: to go to. I want my tax money to go
Speaker 14: to the homeless and and and the and the ill
Speaker 14: people from from mental illness or whatever you want to
Speaker 14: call it, substance abuse. It's it's it's it's all could
Speaker 14: be fixed. There's money for everything, except what we should
Speaker 14: be spending it on.
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think your points. I wish it
Speaker 2: called early because we could have a much longer discussion
Speaker 2: about that. But I agree on what you're saying is
Speaker 2: we have to figure out what our priorities are. We
Speaker 2: don't have enough money for everything, and we don't have
Speaker 2: enough money for a billion dollars a year for people
Speaker 2: who have come here illegally. And it's not a billion. No, wait,
Speaker 2: it's not a billion a month. No, it's not. It's
Speaker 2: a billion a year in Massachusetts. So I just you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest with you, simple, as simple as that.
Speaker 3: Hey, Rob, I appreciate you call very much, Thank you, sir.
Speaker 14: All right, Jan Sorry I got the number wrong, but
Speaker 14: you know, no, No, the.
Speaker 2: Point you're the point you're making, the substitutive point you're making,
Speaker 2: is true, and that is we have to decide where
Speaker 2: will our priorities take us.
Speaker 3: It's as simple as that.
Speaker 14: I'm and I should decide where I want my tax
Speaker 14: money to go.
Speaker 2: Well, the way you do the way you do that, Bob,
Speaker 2: The way you do that is to vote and get
Speaker 2: people in office whose priorities are similar to yours. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's what just happened to this election. Okay, so I voted,
Speaker 2: let's see what happens. Okay, thank you man, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: I got one more call. I gotta get to job. Hey,
Speaker 2: talk to you soon. Great night.
Speaker 8: All right.
Speaker 2: Let me wrap it up here with Justin from Quincy. Justin,
Speaker 2: You're lucky you just called in. You didn't didn't even
Speaker 2: have to wait. Justin, go right ahead, you're next on
Speaker 2: nice side.
Speaker 10: Thank you, Thank you for taking my call.
Speaker 7: Honestly, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I don't know how I feel about it. I think,
Speaker 10: like you said earlier, a lot of these homeless people,
Speaker 10: if you think about it, they were all given opportunity,
Speaker 10: had one chance or another. A lot of them weren't
Speaker 10: given housing, they weren't given all the medical stuff, everything
Speaker 10: that they needed. But if you think about it, a
Speaker 10: lot of them squandered it. That's why the homeless in
Speaker 10: the first place. If you're thinking about uestions. Yeah, well,
Speaker 10: I understand that there's some people that, yeah, there's there's
Speaker 10: unfortune and bad luck. But I live in the city
Speaker 10: and I dealt with a lot of those people, and
Speaker 10: it seems to me, like, like you said, you could
Speaker 10: give them the house and you can give them all
Speaker 10: the help that you want, but a lot of them
Speaker 10: are there by choice.
Speaker 2: There are people, there are people who would prefer to
Speaker 2: live that lifestyle, and in a free country that's permitted.
Speaker 2: There's other countries around the world where they would be
Speaker 2: thrown in jail and treated pretty badly. That's not the
Speaker 2: United States of America.
Speaker 3: And at the same time, I don't think their lifestyle
Speaker 3: their lifestyle.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying when they're outrageous, lifestyle starts to
Speaker 2: impact your family and your lifestyle and my family and
Speaker 2: my lifestyle. I think society needs to say, wait a second,
Speaker 2: this is a step too far.
Speaker 10: You know, I agree.
Speaker 3: All right, Hey, justin thanks very much.
Speaker 2: You ended on a very rational note tonight, and I
Speaker 2: mean you ended my show on a rational note, and
Speaker 2: I thank you for that.
Speaker 10: Thank you, sir, Thank you. I appreciate for having my call.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you call on. Thanks again. All right, Well,
Speaker 3: it was a wild night.
Speaker 2: We were going to talk about the president's cabinets selections.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Night.
Speaker 2: Okay, this was three great hours, in my opinion of radio,
Speaker 2: A wide variety of phone calls and that's what Nightside
Speaker 2: is all about. I want to thank everyone. I think
Speaker 2: it was the best show well the week. Rob Brooks,
Speaker 2: thank you very much, Mariita, thank you very much. All
Speaker 2: End as always, all dogs, all cats, all pets go
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Speaker 3: Have a great Thursday, everybody, Dan Ray for Nightside. Thanks
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