Speaker 1: Podcast about how someone just tried to call me on
Speaker 1: my mobile an actual offense right when we're trying to
Speaker 1: record this. Don't call me. I'm a millennial, Like what
Speaker 1: could this possibly be about? You know? No, I don't
Speaker 1: appreciate that. No, thank you.
Speaker 2: How are you? I am? Well? There we go. I'm
Speaker 2: doing pretty good, you know, just just just living it
Speaker 2: up here.
Speaker 1: Living the dream, living in the fucking dream. That's sorry.
Speaker 1: Every day every day I'm just kicking back and thinking
Speaker 1: about how good life is.
Speaker 2: Yes, I yeah, you know, we're just just trying to
Speaker 2: do trying to stay sane here. As you know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what this is that we have here in America.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what's going on, but you know
Speaker 2: it uh uh us because like you sorry, what I just.
Speaker 1: Feel like I am really very I'm really kind of
Speaker 1: Hansole in Zoolander. It's like, do I know what I'm doing?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Do you know why I'm here? No? But I'm hearing
Speaker 1: not gonna give it my best shot. That's just kind
Speaker 1: of like what I have to keep repeating constantly at
Speaker 1: the moment. But yeah, you know, you know, for for
Speaker 1: life anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like is you know, is the government. U you know,
Speaker 2: are we gonna collapse tomorrow or are we gonna have you know,
Speaker 2: are we gonna have fucking truth and reconciliation?
Speaker 1: I gotta I gotta tell you. One of the big
Speaker 1: casualties of this entire affair has been my belief in
Speaker 1: the deep state. You know, I really would have thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, that Dick Cheney could have got it done.
Speaker 2: But I don't even know. I don't know what the
Speaker 2: deep state would do to uh two deal with this
Speaker 2: problem because we have like the Epstein thing, which is
Speaker 2: what a lot of this appears to be circling around
Speaker 2: here in America because as all of our leaders on
Speaker 2: both sides and I do want to be cleared as
Speaker 2: on both sides.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are.
Speaker 2: Perverted pedophilic freaks or people who cover up for them
Speaker 2: and are otherwise implicated by association of some kind. And
Speaker 2: so there's really not a thing you can do. Like
Speaker 2: this is kind of out in the open now, and
Speaker 2: people are like, wait a minute, because like people who
Speaker 2: were like, you know, people who didn't believe Trump in
Speaker 2: the first place, are like, Okay, this is a thing
Speaker 2: you can latch on, you know, this is the thing
Speaker 2: you can latch onto because like now he's like talking
Speaker 2: about it and freaking out about it in public and
Speaker 2: being like why are people still talking about this? Like
Speaker 2: you can do that, like you can now latch onto
Speaker 2: it because he's stressaand he's done the strissand effect into
Speaker 2: the stratosphere with this and uh. But but even people
Speaker 2: who supported him, like people who were like, you know,
Speaker 2: who are going to hold this stuff, are now like
Speaker 2: I don't like they like they they a lot of
Speaker 2: them do seem to be rattled by this, Like not
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to like bring the government
Speaker 2: down tomorrow or anything, but like, I mean, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is the first like this. I think this is like
Speaker 2: the first like crisis of legitimate like internal legitimacy they've
Speaker 2: had because like they believed all this Trump stuff, and
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, a lot of them are still gonna
Speaker 2: be like, oh, yeah, he's he's the guy whatever. He's
Speaker 2: uh rounding up Mexicans and that makes me happy because
Speaker 2: I'm a sedition. Yeah, but I mean some of them aren't,
Speaker 2: because like that is a red life to people, like
Speaker 2: and there's a difference between like everybody being like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: Trump's on the flight logs, you could. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: even though they did it, you you could be you
Speaker 2: could convince yourself that like that was a that was
Speaker 2: a fake. Yeah, but this like but if he's really
Speaker 2: going after it, then he's not going to be doing this.
Speaker 2: He's not going to be telling the ag to to
Speaker 2: you know, to shut it down, to to tell everybody
Speaker 2: stop talking about it. Like two months after he invited
Speaker 2: all of these uh conservative influencers to the White House
Speaker 2: and like made this big deal about releasing the Epstein
Speaker 2: files to him, and all it was was just a
Speaker 2: printed out list of the flight logs with even more
Speaker 2: names redacted than what we have. And it's like, and
Speaker 2: you do that, and you release this video of his
Speaker 2: supposed suicide that like even people who don't know anything
Speaker 2: about editing video or aren't close video watchers can tell
Speaker 2: something's going on because two different rooms are used, there's
Speaker 2: like a very hard cut in between them. And of
Speaker 2: course it was confirmed like within minutes of that being
Speaker 2: released that it was heavily edited in I think it
Speaker 2: was Adobe Premiere something like that of one of the
Speaker 2: Adobe products. Anyway, it's so cheap. It's just so cheap,
Speaker 2: like it is, and like when you do this. The
Speaker 2: people who were on your side but really did have
Speaker 2: this as a mental red line are going to be
Speaker 2: like wait, what, like because this isn't the action of
Speaker 2: someone or a group of people who want to get
Speaker 2: to the bottom of this. This is the action of
Speaker 2: like a guy who's been who's tired of talking about this.
Speaker 2: He's been cornered he did something wrong, and like that's that,
Speaker 2: And a lot of people are I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: you know, it seems like a decent number of people
Speaker 2: like what the fuck is this? Like you know what
Speaker 2: is going on with this stuff? Because it's it's you
Speaker 2: might be inclined to believe it's just the internet, but
Speaker 2: it's not. It's made it completely off the internet. My wife,
Speaker 2: who is normy to the core, they they love you.
Speaker 2: You couldn't both do it if we were both that
Speaker 2: terminally online.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta have one person offline. It's absolutely imperative.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Or if you're both online, you gotta Like that's
Speaker 2: a real fine line to walk. I'm not saying you can't,
Speaker 2: but it's it's a fine anyway. She was like, you know,
Speaker 2: try this Epstein thing, Like Trump's getting it from all sides.
Speaker 2: Like I saw something on Facebook. And I'm like if
Speaker 2: they're if like, oh, if your racist aunt on Facebook
Speaker 2: is like Trump's a pedophile, Like I don't, I don't
Speaker 2: know that, like that's not the norm, and like, I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, because this thing is not going away,
Speaker 2: like they they very clearly want this to go away,
Speaker 2: to be a thing that they don't have to talk
Speaker 2: about anymore. And yeah, it's not like they. I mean,
Speaker 2: Trump is basically assured that it's not that it's something
Speaker 2: that people won't stop talking about. He like was doing
Speaker 2: truth social post at three am over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, I think it's a really interesting thing
Speaker 1: because it shows the limits of what he can do.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't know what his game plan was,
Speaker 1: to be honest, because like, well, I guess he thought
Speaker 1: that he was going to have like some way of
Speaker 1: redacting it like himself. And you know, so I don't
Speaker 1: really quite understand, like but maybe like he's just so
Speaker 1: stupid that he just hadn't really thought it through, which
Speaker 1: is entirely within the realm of possibility, I admit, I admit, you.
Speaker 2: Know, so I it seems to me that like the
Speaker 2: way that he was approaching it at first was someone
Speaker 2: who like had like you know, like you still have
Speaker 2: to do the dog and pony show for people, like
Speaker 2: we all know that he was clearly never going to
Speaker 2: release this and do like a do like a full
Speaker 2: like brief of it or anything like that, because he's
Speaker 2: in it, Like he would never like it would implicate him.
Speaker 2: Too many people would immediately just be like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: saw Trump. There, here's a picture we took, you know,
Speaker 2: all this sort of stuff, you know or whatever. And
Speaker 2: but this recent push where they're just like, I'm not
Speaker 2: like the way that they that they turned and they
Speaker 2: were like, we're not talking about anymore. We're dropping the investigation,
Speaker 2: we're not doing anything. Pam Bond, he's not talking. Our
Speaker 2: attorney general is not dealing with it. We don't care.
Speaker 2: Fuck it. I don't want to hear any more about
Speaker 2: this stuff. Is the thing you would do if you
Speaker 2: won like an eighty five percent share in the last election,
Speaker 2: and like we're writing such a political and cultural mandate
Speaker 2: that no one could oppose you, and even the people
Speaker 2: on your side who would be who would abhor this
Speaker 2: can't speak up because there there's too much. But they
Speaker 2: don't have that, like they want to low turnout election
Speaker 2: by like one and a half percent. Whatever. Their idea
Speaker 2: of woke going away clearly has not happened because people
Speaker 2: are not, you know, doing that. He's he's turned the
Speaker 2: American electorate from like generally in favor of like immigration,
Speaker 2: immigration enforcement overall, to to like it's it's now a
Speaker 2: sixty forty issue in favor of immigrants now, Like they've
Speaker 2: done that in.
Speaker 1: That's one good thing, hey.
Speaker 2: Like And I mean, obviously the American electorate is incredibly
Speaker 2: fickle and things go like that, but this is more
Speaker 2: in line with like more people, more younger people, i e.
Speaker 2: People under about like fifty or so right now who
Speaker 2: are coming into it and and you know, they're like, no,
Speaker 2: like this is insane, Like we don't like why do
Speaker 2: we have this? What are we doing? Like why are
Speaker 2: you why are you rounding up people? Like you know,
Speaker 2: like you're you're doing these videos in like posting like
Speaker 2: placards of deported individuals on the White House lawn like
Speaker 2: like you like you already like you already run the
Speaker 2: fucking like uh, like a fascist regime that's been in
Speaker 2: power for twenty years and has an ironclad grip on
Speaker 2: everything like you that those these things don't mix. They don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know if it's stupidity or his
Speaker 2: like issue, his mental deterioration that's happening with age, which
Speaker 2: he is clearly going through.
Speaker 1: Oh god, God, And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't know why they decided
Speaker 2: to attack it this way. But it is like if
Speaker 2: you're like me and you do not like people are like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is so embarrassing for America. What America is evil
Speaker 2: to its core as a concept as an institution. This
Speaker 2: place is thoroughly denuded of anything good as an institutional thing.
Speaker 2: How could you be embarrassed of this place? Like? This
Speaker 2: is who we are, This is who we have always been,
Speaker 2: Like a bunch of land grabbing pediasts and and and
Speaker 2: perverts in power over like an electorate that like grudgingly
Speaker 2: tolerates them sometimes and then is kind of, you know,
Speaker 2: fidgety at other times and is like you do not.
Speaker 2: This country is three hundred and fifty million people in it.
Speaker 2: I know people get tired of hearing me talk about it,
Speaker 2: but it's really fucking big, really fucking vast in terms
Speaker 2: of land and people, and really fucking integrated. It really is,
Speaker 2: and people don't believe that. But where I'm from the
Speaker 2: state of Georgia, I think it's still true that they're
Speaker 2: uh like, uh, it's like thirty three percent African American Texas.
Speaker 2: I think Texas and Mississippi are also like that as well,
Speaker 2: and like these are southern states, and yes, that is
Speaker 2: a holdover from slavery, but like it's still impact to
Speaker 2: a point. I know people in my family are very racist,
Speaker 2: and especially on my dad's side, and I don't and
Speaker 2: it is embarrassing. It's awful. I hate that that that
Speaker 2: I have family members like that or had family members
Speaker 2: like that. But none of that stuff ever worked on me.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that I'm smarter or better. It
Speaker 2: didn't work on me because like when I was when
Speaker 2: I was a little kid, my best friend was black,
Speaker 2: Like we went to church together, like he was my
Speaker 2: best friend. He was the best man at my wedding.
Speaker 2: Like I like, people will be like, yeah, black people
Speaker 2: suckuld be like, but my friend is cool. Like when
Speaker 2: you when you grow up around that, and that's what
Speaker 2: these freaks want to do with their homeschooling and well, yeah,
Speaker 2: sharing everything they want they want to separate white people
Speaker 2: from other people so they can re uh so they
Speaker 2: can reuh reassert this uh their class reproduce it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, because it's like it requires ignorance of other
Speaker 1: people in order to to like make these claims, which
Speaker 1: is why you know they particularly they have like these
Speaker 1: knee jerk reactions against urbanity, for example, because it's like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the minute y're around Muslims, you're.
Speaker 2: Like, what like that doesn't Oh I'm so scared of
Speaker 2: the big city.
Speaker 1: Oh no, now now I'm eating shwarma. Fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah awful. Oh this is terrible. Yeah, oh I would
Speaker 2: never you know, Oh the cities are all are all evil,
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're all bad, and it's like you
Speaker 2: go in there and it's like, man, I don't know,
Speaker 2: Like every big city I go to is fine. I
Speaker 2: go to Atlanta fairly often, Like you know, Atlanta is
Speaker 2: a majority black city, and it's fine. It's a you know,
Speaker 2: I really like Atlanta. I understand why some people might not.
Speaker 2: But you know, when I.
Speaker 1: Went to when I went to the UH South last
Speaker 1: year for this this conference I went to, I was
Speaker 1: falling back via Raleigh and I was at the airport bar.
Speaker 1: You're going to be unsurprised to learn that. And it's
Speaker 1: funny because there was these like three kids, like who
Speaker 1: are getting shipped out to one of the military bases here,
Speaker 1: which why do we have those? But anyway, moving on.
Speaker 2: The military base on the island of England in case
Speaker 2: the population gets rested, Yeah, to attack fran Yeah.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know why that all that's happening, but okay,
Speaker 1: and like these kids were like, oh, yeah, well what
Speaker 1: do I do it? I was like, look, so here's
Speaker 1: the but you know, they were asking me kind of
Speaker 1: like basic normy questions and they were like, you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of like you, oh, here's some things
Speaker 1: you might like to eat, and here's some places to go.
Speaker 1: You're gonna be an East Anglia. It's really pretty over there.
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, like here's how to
Speaker 1: make friends with people as an American. Just like in
Speaker 1: the first place, you're going to have to learn to
Speaker 1: talk more quietly, and like in the second place, it's
Speaker 1: like just just like try to do uh, you know,
Speaker 1: do as the Romans, et cetera. And the guy was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've got a question for you to like
Speaker 1: is there anywhere that isn't safe to go? And I
Speaker 1: like fully laughed in this kid's face because he was
Speaker 1: like essentially like attempting to like ask me about no
Speaker 1: go zones, and I was like, none of that's real, Like.
Speaker 2: And also like where like where It's like.
Speaker 1: I think it's a thing. It's like a Facebook meme
Speaker 1: that your racist uncle will have that there are parts
Speaker 1: of Britain that are quote unquote no go zones for
Speaker 1: white people and that they're doing Sharia law there and
Speaker 1: that like you can't go there. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: none of that is Uh, you'll be surprised to learn that,
Speaker 1: like this is the safest place you were going to
Speaker 1: ever go, Like nothing ever happens here.
Speaker 2: I I uh, I can't, like I can't even begin
Speaker 2: to conceptualize in my head, like how you would do that,
Speaker 2: Like how you would how you would set up a
Speaker 2: a racially enforced no go zone against white people in
Speaker 2: an extremely white country.
Speaker 1: In like the heart of Empire, like I can.
Speaker 2: In the in the Anglosphere, in the in in England, Australia, America, Canada.
Speaker 2: M hm. Impossible, It's really in literally impossible for you
Speaker 2: to set that up like where we do not allow
Speaker 2: any white people, are you come on?
Speaker 1: Like exactly. And so it's like you just have to
Speaker 1: understand that these people when they're when they do stuff
Speaker 1: like homeschooling and things, they're they're attempting to establish no
Speaker 1: go zones. Like that's what they want to do, you know,
Speaker 1: they want to make it like a butt for other people, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's uh, it's a no go zone, but for
Speaker 1: people of color, right or you know, people with different ideas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's it's an imagined thing. Like
Speaker 2: I saw somebody talking about like how like every city
Speaker 2: in America was like like a like a burned out
Speaker 2: hellscape and it's like what I don't I don't, like
Speaker 2: I don't know where you could actually live, like what
Speaker 2: like I don't maybe like part of Nebraska or the
Speaker 2: Dakota's or something. But like in most states, if the
Speaker 2: capital city is a burned out hellscape, like you would
Speaker 2: see that, you would have like incredible, you would have
Speaker 2: population fleeing to the countryside. They would they would they
Speaker 2: would just be like, you know, moving in droves in
Speaker 2: like like if their old homesteaders or something. But like
Speaker 2: they're not because you know, and it's just like I
Speaker 2: understand that it's like a complete like detachment from society
Speaker 2: or whatever, but it's like.
Speaker 1: What a like I you have to make it like
Speaker 1: they have to tell like stories to scare themselves in
Speaker 1: order to kind of like explain their worldview. And it's
Speaker 1: it's baffling. It is genuinely baffling.
Speaker 2: And they're they're not even like they're not even convicted
Speaker 2: about this stuff, like not like not in like a
Speaker 2: not in like an ideological sense, because they're just like bouncing.
Speaker 2: It's like bouncing around to whatever, like whatever will piss
Speaker 2: off liberals, whatever will like will make people on Twitter
Speaker 2: or blue Sky or truth Social or wherever people that
Speaker 2: I don't like mad, whatever we'll do that is good.
Speaker 2: And so they just like ping around to like all
Speaker 2: these different things. And like there was a there's this woman.
Speaker 2: I don't remember her name, and if I did, I
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't say it anyway, because she's her boy her husband. No,
Speaker 2: she's cool. Her boyfriend. Her husband was killed by by
Speaker 2: in like a violent in like some kind.
Speaker 1: Of via social cu sorry.
Speaker 2: No you no, you're good. He was killed in uh
Speaker 2: by like a by a minority and like this woman, like,
Speaker 2: you know, after it happened, you know, she was like,
Speaker 2: this is terrible. I'm you know, so sorry, but you know,
Speaker 2: we don't need to. Uh, this doesn't mean that every
Speaker 2: Mexican or every black person or whatever it was, is evil.
Speaker 2: And right wingers fucking hate this woman because she does
Speaker 2: not like just continually wallow in this victimization complex and
Speaker 2: blame every single minority for like the one off instance
Speaker 2: that caused to her a personal tragedy, Like they are
Speaker 2: so mad when you like, one of the things that
Speaker 2: you can do to just freak these people out the
Speaker 2: most is have a tragic story, like especially one that
Speaker 2: was called that was caused either incidentally or on purpose
Speaker 2: by a minority, because they won't because that is like
Speaker 2: their joker super villain origin story for all of them. Uh.
Speaker 2: When I was seventeen, a homeless guy stole my bike,
Speaker 2: and uh that means all black people are evil. And
Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, man, that guy stole your bike because
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a home. He needs to go, you know.
Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, that's you didn't lose your family,
Speaker 1: you lost a bike.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: But it's interesting because like you know, every single person
Speaker 1: of color is always a representative of like their entire grouping,
Speaker 1: whereas all white people are individuals, you know, always and forever.
Speaker 1: And that's just how this shit works, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I don't even know. I like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know what to do with it. I don't like
Speaker 2: because on the one hand, it's like, I mean, things
Speaker 2: are bad, like there is a lot of bad shit
Speaker 2: going on. But on the other hand, like I don't
Speaker 2: this ship. I don't know, I don't know, like what
Speaker 2: you can survive. I don't know what's going on. I
Speaker 2: don't know how long the economy's gonna last. Like they're
Speaker 2: talking about like tariffs again, it's just like like okay, cool, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're like we're definitely gonna do you know, like we're
Speaker 2: definitely doing tariffs. That's a real thing. It's not like, uh,
Speaker 2: something that we're gonna pull back from immediately or you
Speaker 2: know anything. Like it's like you're trying. You're trying stuff
Speaker 2: that you would try if you were like in the
Speaker 2: middle of like a one hundred year political dynasty where
Speaker 2: you would like suppressed every opposition for us and and
Speaker 2: and everything, and and the populace was like well in
Speaker 2: favor or like ground into dust, and that's not what
Speaker 2: they have at all. Like, uh, I mean you do
Speaker 2: have a lot. You do have most of the politicians
Speaker 2: in power agreeing with this stuff, and that's bad. But
Speaker 2: like that is not that's institutional rot. That is not indicative,
Speaker 2: like you don't have that, Like I don't like it's
Speaker 2: like it's like trying to enforce fascism when the people
Speaker 2: haven't been through World War One, like and it didn't
Speaker 2: happen on their doorstep. People are not not enough. People
Speaker 2: are traumatized where they're by their bike being stolen by
Speaker 2: some homeless man that that they are going to be
Speaker 2: like yeah, uh sure, let's fucking throw people, throw random
Speaker 2: people into vans, the woman that takes care that, the
Speaker 2: woman that babysits my kids, uh before where I get
Speaker 2: home from work, you know, a random guy anyone. Like
Speaker 2: people don't like that. Americans think that they are good people,
Speaker 2: you know, and seeing that is like wait what this is?
Speaker 2: You know wait huh, Like we don't have Gestapo here,
Speaker 2: We're not the you know, we're not the Nazis. You know,
Speaker 2: one thing I've said it before, but like the one
Speaker 2: place where they really really really failed with communists with
Speaker 2: anti communist propaganda. Was they could never make Stalin the
Speaker 2: bad guy. Like Hitler was, like, you do have double
Speaker 2: genocide theory. You do have horrible definitely Austiniers who believe that.
Speaker 1: But and you have to like promulgate that really strongly,
Speaker 1: Like you see the believers in that like really go
Speaker 1: in swinging very hard for it because they have to,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and like that's not something that people will abide.
Speaker 2: They don't like it, they don't want it, and there
Speaker 2: we are. It's just I don't know, it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Living here right now is so fucking weird. And like
Speaker 2: I don't know any other way to say it. I
Speaker 2: don't know anybody. It's so weird. Like I live in Florida,
Speaker 2: and like, I mean a majority of people down here
Speaker 2: are awful, but like I mean not awful, but like
Speaker 2: a majority of the voters down here awful. But like
Speaker 2: where I live, it's like normal, Like you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: Tallahassee is a blue it's a blue city in a
Speaker 2: blue county, but like like it's just a normal like
Speaker 2: you know, it's like you have this and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying everything's falling right now, but this but like I
Speaker 2: just wonder, like do people like they're in the fall
Speaker 2: of the Roman Empire were like, man, this something's going on,
Speaker 2: something's wrong, but like things are kind of normal too,
Speaker 2: like you know, like there had to be I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously not everyone, because there were uh, you know, goths
Speaker 2: and ostro goths and Visigoths and vandals and everyone else
Speaker 2: running rough shot around the town and the hunts and
Speaker 2: all that, but like that wasn't everywhere, you know, like
Speaker 2: they were like you know, like they weren't. You know.
Speaker 2: It's like I don't know. I don't fucking know. I
Speaker 2: don't know. I don't want to sound conceited like oh,
Speaker 2: we're at the center of history or anything, We're so important,
Speaker 2: but like, I don't what else would you call this
Speaker 2: other than decline and the decline? What would what would
Speaker 2: you call this other than the decline and fall of
Speaker 2: the American Empire? Seriously?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that you have to
Speaker 1: and I don't really think that there's a whole lot
Speaker 1: else you can do with it fundamentally at this juncture,
Speaker 1: Like at least I mean in Shalah.
Speaker 2: Well, we've been going for thirty minutes on this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: do you want to just go for a few more
Speaker 2: minutes on like current events? Yeah, yeah, we could just do. Uh, Folks,
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Speaker 2: podcast about how we've always been idiots and right now,
Speaker 2: the the contemporary it is idiocy is too much for
Speaker 2: us to delve back in to, uh, to happenings in
Speaker 2: the Middle Ages, because like, I don't like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know where to begin. I don't
Speaker 2: know what to do, like yeah, like.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so do you know about the bullshit that's
Speaker 1: going on over here too, like which, well, yeah, I
Speaker 1: know which one. But have I ran said to you
Speaker 1: about the crackdowns that we're having on anti Palestine action?
Speaker 2: Oh god, I saw that. I saw some poor old
Speaker 2: old man or that woman, like eighty something years old
Speaker 2: with a sign that says, UH is like support.
Speaker 1: I support Palestine Action.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I support in small letters Palestine big letters, positive
Speaker 2: something something in small letters and then action on the
Speaker 2: Palestine action or whatever. It's just like and they arrested
Speaker 2: and yeah, they're not even doing that ship here. Dog.
Speaker 1: I had to be super careful about the way I
Speaker 1: phrase all these things so that I don't get arrested.
Speaker 3: Which is which would you like? Which is good? And
Speaker 3: I could do it? O? No, no, no, So I
Speaker 3: just don't want you to get in trouble. That's all
Speaker 3: you very I can.
Speaker 1: I'm this is a good exercise for me. Okay. So
Speaker 1: Palestine Action UH were a group that did non violent
Speaker 1: actions against things that materially support the genocide in Palestine.
Speaker 1: But what they were specifically doing was I mean absolutely
Speaker 1: to be clear, they were doing like misdemeanor property damage.
Speaker 2: They were doing things that are technically they were doing crimes.
Speaker 2: They were against the letter of the law.
Speaker 1: Yes they were. So. So for example, one of the
Speaker 1: things that they did recently was they broke into a
Speaker 1: place where some of like the planes that run like
Speaker 1: surveillance missions or run things back and forth Israel were
Speaker 1: and they splashed paint on them in such a way
Speaker 1: that it like covered up their windows or whatever so
Speaker 1: they couldn't take off, right, And then it.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh, oh that's what they did. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: which is which I thought they threw pass that they
Speaker 2: threw paint on it, and I was like, and I
Speaker 2: didn't see the rest, and I was like, maybe the
Speaker 2: paint is like reflective so people can see it and
Speaker 2: take pictures of Oh yeah, that does make sense.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, so basically it covered up like some of
Speaker 1: the instrumentation or what they need in order to take off.
Speaker 1: And then they were accused of having completely destroyed these planes,
Speaker 1: which is bullshit, but you know, like those things are
Speaker 1: flying again next week. But you know, it was a
Speaker 1: really it was a piece of resistance that was like
Speaker 1: non violent and like whatever, it was a crime. I
Speaker 1: want to make that clear. What ended up happening is
Speaker 1: they have now been prescribed as a terrorist group because
Speaker 1: we're all so terrified of the fact that they might
Speaker 1: be able to put paint on planes. You know, it's like,
Speaker 1: it's pretty much exactly the same thing as charging Luigi
Speaker 1: with terrorism when you're like terrorism, aloop bro like who
Speaker 1: is terrorist? But this has knock on effects, right, so
Speaker 1: you know, they are basically now a group that is
Speaker 1: considered legally the same as isis. I'm not joking, and
Speaker 1: so if you voice any support for them in public,
Speaker 1: you can be arrested for supporting a prescribed terrorist group.
Speaker 1: So what happened with that arrest of that that ady something?
Speaker 1: Your old person who I cannot stress enough was also
Speaker 1: a priest, So that's good.
Speaker 2: I did not I didn't see the caller. But yes,
Speaker 2: come on, guys, you can't like arresting the eighty year
Speaker 2: old priest. That's a real pr nightmare. Guys, maybe let
Speaker 2: that maybe let that one go and flag the next one, huh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, yes, me, yeah.
Speaker 1: And so they were like, well, look, this is obviously,
Speaker 1: on its face ridiculous, So we're going to protest this
Speaker 1: outside Parliament and they like held these signs out the
Speaker 1: SAI support Palestinian action and like they arrested fifty people
Speaker 1: for doing that because it's illegal now and you can't
Speaker 1: do that, right, So what Britain is doing right now,
Speaker 1: that's like a huge crackdown. And now they're also doing
Speaker 1: this other big crackdown, which is they're making it so
Speaker 1: that on like all social media sites, you have to
Speaker 1: register a government ID in order to use it. So
Speaker 1: like they are so for example, like a going to
Speaker 1: make a blue sky Dot app, bsky dot app has
Speaker 1: to like collect your identification. And now part of it
Speaker 1: they're saying, it's like, oh, to stop the children from
Speaker 1: accessing porn, and like by that they mean like Justin's website, right,
Speaker 1: like can't let the can't let the children get sex education,
Speaker 1: you know, or like see my book right, which is
Speaker 1: like obviously porn.
Speaker 2: Or look at porn, yeah, or look.
Speaker 1: At porn obviously. But the other thing that they say
Speaker 1: is like, oh, well, there's all these these people who
Speaker 1: nefariously harass they harass their MPs online and so basically
Speaker 1: they want to make it like illegal to at government
Speaker 1: officials and so like you're you're gonna be able to
Speaker 1: like get done for harassment. And like so there's like
Speaker 1: a comrade online that I follow on Blue Sky and
Speaker 1: like they for example, got like the police showed up
Speaker 1: at their door because like their MP came around during
Speaker 1: the election and they're like, hey, you know, get out
Speaker 1: of here, you Tory scum or red Tory scum, like
Speaker 1: you know, uh, like free Palestine or whatever. This woman
Speaker 1: then like called the cops on him, and the cops
Speaker 1: came to his door and were like, well, are you
Speaker 1: harassing your MP? And he's just like no comment, no comment,
Speaker 1: no comment, repeatedly because like it's not it's not illegal
Speaker 1: actually to tell your MP to fuck off, but they're
Speaker 1: trying to change it. And then he had he was
Speaker 1: posting the other day that he'd like written an email
Speaker 1: to the same MP and was like and in the
Speaker 1: and in the email was like I don't understand how
Speaker 1: you sleep at night when you're like voting to send
Speaker 1: money to kill Palestinian children. And she wrote back and
Speaker 1: was like this is harassment, and it's like it's not,
Speaker 1: that's not harassment. That's not harassment, like that it's a
Speaker 1: rhetorical question, you know, like that that that is just
Speaker 1: a tool of rhetoric that we're using. And so what
Speaker 1: we're seeing is like this this bigger and bigger expansion
Speaker 1: and now, yes, Palestine is a huge part of that.
Speaker 1: Like basically, what they're attempting to do is make it
Speaker 1: impossible for us to voice any form of support for
Speaker 1: Palestine in public because it's just completely out of their
Speaker 1: control at this juncture. And this government in particular really
Speaker 1: hitched their wagon to this in order to get rid
Speaker 1: of Corbin, right, so because they are the ones who
Speaker 1: like stuck the knives in his backs so fucking hard,
Speaker 1: they have to play real hardball like oh yeah, like
Speaker 1: definitely any support you voice for Palestine at all whatsoever
Speaker 1: does make you an anti semi like yeah, like that's
Speaker 1: one hundred percent true, and they can't go back on that. Right.
Speaker 1: So here we are, right here, we are with this
Speaker 1: with this particular conundrum, and it's going to get expanded
Speaker 1: and expanded. So you're not even like allowed to complain
Speaker 1: about the circumstances that we're in. And that's pretty upsetting.
Speaker 2: How they how do they expect to enforce this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because great, Like I mean I just have.
Speaker 2: A lot, I just have a lot of questions about
Speaker 2: enforcement of things like this because you know, the rest
Speaker 2: of the world, in case you had noticed, we're not
Speaker 2: really behind the great Chinese firewall that they have and
Speaker 2: they are slowly coming out from behind, but that we
Speaker 2: don't really have that, and so it makes it very
Speaker 2: difficult to do something like this in in one uh state,
Speaker 2: in one country when you have a platform that goes
Speaker 2: to the entire world, you know, because now Twitter and
Speaker 2: blue Sky and everyone else, like they have to do
Speaker 2: this and it's just for England. But there are a
Speaker 2: lot of things on top of that, because like what
Speaker 2: about VPN. So anyone using a pig and anyone in
Speaker 2: England using a normal or I mean a normal like
Speaker 2: VPN service that you can get completely legal or everything
Speaker 2: like that can like bypass this like that. So there's that,
Speaker 2: you know, Like how how like I can still a
Speaker 2: person from America can still harass you. A person from
Speaker 2: from anywhere in the world that has access to these
Speaker 2: things that is not England or the United Kingdom can
Speaker 2: still harass you. Like is like the entire thing is interconnected?
Speaker 2: Like how like that is the thing? These people are
Speaker 2: all working from this old playbook where it's like okay,
Speaker 2: like from the time when you controlled all the news
Speaker 2: media and all the everything else, and it's like you
Speaker 2: do not control that anymore. The thing about the Internet,
Speaker 2: the thing that that that like really weighs like the
Speaker 2: the use and the you the use case for the
Speaker 2: goodness of the Internet. There's a lot, a whole lot
Speaker 2: of bad shit on it. But we know what is
Speaker 2: happening in Gaza right now. Someone in Gaza, a reporter,
Speaker 2: a person on the scene, anyone can can pull up
Speaker 2: their phone, fire it up, and they can post a
Speaker 2: video of what is happening on the streets in Gaza
Speaker 2: or Iran or Beijing or wherever right now, and people
Speaker 2: can see that. And so all of all of the
Speaker 2: propaganda about how like Israel is this beautiful place where
Speaker 2: like everyone is nice and it's not a set it's
Speaker 2: not a settler colony, and it's not all this sort
Speaker 2: of stuff, it immediately goes away because people can see
Speaker 2: that and they are horrified by it. And when you
Speaker 2: keep trying to do stuff like this like this sounds
Speaker 2: like to me, this sounds like the old like almost
Speaker 2: like military censorship, uh that they would have had like
Speaker 2: during like World War two and stuff like that that
Speaker 2: like a lot of yeah, yeah, a lot of countries
Speaker 2: were in on.
Speaker 1: I think that that's kind of like a part of
Speaker 1: what they're they're kind of hoping that they can too.
Speaker 1: And I mean that that's one of the problems that
Speaker 1: we have here generally, is that people still kind of
Speaker 1: think World War Two might still be happening.
Speaker 2: So I saw I saw something. I saw something yesterday,
Speaker 2: I think where labor was Like we're talking about how
Speaker 2: they had to like get all these men ready, how
Speaker 2: they had to get all these fighters ready, and it's like,
Speaker 2: you guys want the blitz so bad. You want like
Speaker 2: you want your Blint, you want your blitz so bad,
Speaker 2: and you're just not getting it. And I do I
Speaker 2: don't understand, Like I mean, I guess I can't because
Speaker 2: I didn't live through it, and the people my family,
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: Clear that no one here fucking lived through it. Everyone
Speaker 1: who lived through it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean I know, but there's there's there's direct
Speaker 2: cultural memory of that and like that, you know, like
Speaker 2: different like if your grandmother was like, yeah, I coward
Speaker 2: in the basement of our London apartment building for three,
Speaker 2: you know, two or three years, Like yeah, I can
Speaker 2: understand how that would give you like a weird siege mentality,
Speaker 2: but like I don't under like why now, Like what
Speaker 2: are you do not live under the blitz? Nothing is
Speaker 2: happening to you. No one is attacking you, No one
Speaker 2: wants to attack you. They really don't like like that
Speaker 2: you're you're a You're a monetary exchange for the rest
Speaker 2: of the world. No, if it's to our lovely listeners
Speaker 2: in United Kingdom, it is a lovely place and it's
Speaker 2: not you. And and I'm not saying I'm not dogging you, uh,
Speaker 2: but like you're you're a You're a bank for the
Speaker 2: rest of us. That's what you are. You're Hong Kong
Speaker 2: basically without the fun you're you're you're no fun Hong Kong.
Speaker 1: But we have to believe that people do want to
Speaker 1: attack us, because we have to believe that we're important,
Speaker 1: you know, Like that's that's the trouble is that, like
Speaker 1: if you admit that no one is trying to attach
Speaker 1: attack us, then you may as well like admit that
Speaker 1: we aren't important, that we no longer have kind of
Speaker 1: a global hogevity. It's like that we're desperate for haters,
Speaker 1: that we don't have, you know, like where it's.
Speaker 2: Like going door to door to try and shock people, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is exactly that is exactly it where it's
Speaker 1: like one hundred percent. What people are attempting to do
Speaker 1: is like drum up some haters out of absolutely nothing.
Speaker 2: And it's like, dude, no one's flying fleets at you,
Speaker 2: No one's flying fleets at us. We are still at
Speaker 2: this point the world destriding colossus. We still have the
Speaker 2: imperial tendrils out, We're still doing that shit. But no
Speaker 2: one's attacking us either. You know why, because no one
Speaker 2: because that's not how the god, because it's not nineteen
Speaker 2: forty two anymore. God, it's so insane that like these
Speaker 2: people are going to like destroy the they had like
Speaker 2: a generation, they had two generations of a lead to
Speaker 2: win with, Like after after the Soviet Union started to
Speaker 2: go into decline, China shut itself off, like you have
Speaker 2: generations to win, you like, you have that and you
Speaker 2: cannot do it. You you can't. You are too married
Speaker 2: to this like insane reactionary ideology to just not give
Speaker 2: a not give a few inches to in order to
Speaker 2: ensure yourself, like decades more of the neoliberal slash neo
Speaker 2: conservative consensus that we had. But you can't do that
Speaker 2: because like giving like an inch to the left at
Speaker 2: all is too much anywhere any anywhere in the Western world.
Speaker 2: And they.
Speaker 1: I think that that that's that's really the problem with
Speaker 1: I think with especially neoliberal capitalism in general, because the
Speaker 1: trouble is that the entire thing rests on sort of
Speaker 1: this this concept of crushing or well basically being parasitic
Speaker 1: to the the kind of like post war state that
Speaker 1: allowed people to kind of have in okay life, right
Speaker 1: like it it siphons off that, which is you know,
Speaker 1: it's ironic, you know, because it's like there's the Margaret
Speaker 1: Thatcher c that you know. The trouble with socialism is
Speaker 1: you eventually run out of other people's money. It's like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: the trouble with neoliberalism is you eventually run out of
Speaker 1: the government's money that you can privatize.
Speaker 2: Right like that pretty yet privatization Now, once you privatize.
Speaker 1: That, have private water here, you know how that's going.
Speaker 2: You start to privatize the health insurance. You can't privatize
Speaker 2: anything beyond that, like pretty much.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's like we have we have private water
Speaker 1: and like it's so bad that basically what happens is
Speaker 1: because the water companies, you know, they're in it for profit,
Speaker 1: they just dump raw sewage into like all of our
Speaker 1: water courses. So there is not a single watercourse in
Speaker 1: England or Wales that is safe to swim in because
Speaker 1: it's just like so full of of sewage and crazy.
Speaker 2: I can go there's there's a lake, you have government water.
Speaker 2: Fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it's and hilariously, like one of the
Speaker 1: largest controlling shares of uh Thames Water where I live
Speaker 1: is like the Ottawa Teachers Union, so we're like subsidizing
Speaker 1: the retirements of Canadian teachers and like basically they keep
Speaker 1: being like, oh no, we might go bankrupt and then
Speaker 1: like we have to bail them out for reasons that
Speaker 1: like are beyond me, and like they won't they won't
Speaker 1: just like publicize this again, like they won't bring it
Speaker 1: back into public control because they're like, oh, well, they
Speaker 1: don't deserve to be bought out, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: don't fucking buy them out. Like they've completely bankrupted this.
Speaker 1: Like what they do is they just pay their shareholders
Speaker 1: every single time they've got money they haven't done any
Speaker 1: upkeep on any of our water lines. They are charging
Speaker 1: me five hundred and fifty quid for a year of
Speaker 1: water in a one bedroom flat. That that's what I'm
Speaker 1: being charged for that. And it's like, what what the
Speaker 1: fuck do you mean? And there's like and it's like
Speaker 1: you can't and they like put the they put the
Speaker 1: rates up and they're like, oh yeah, well, frownie face,
Speaker 1: like you can't do that, right, And there's no way
Speaker 1: to argue this because they are a monopoly on what
Speaker 1: were government lines. The government lines are not being in
Speaker 1: any way maintained because they're like, well then that we
Speaker 1: couldn't we couldn't give as much money to the shareholders,
Speaker 1: and like this is what happens. This is how neoliberalism works,
Speaker 1: and neoliberalism no can just do this because there is
Speaker 1: no communist specter to threaten everyone with, right, like there
Speaker 1: is like and and there's also also we don't have
Speaker 1: any like truly really communist country that we can like
Speaker 1: look to and say, well, what are were they getting
Speaker 1: over there? Right, So it's just completely unfettered and doing
Speaker 1: its own thing. But I mean, I would also argue
Speaker 1: that this is what capitalism will always inevitably seek to
Speaker 1: do it's always going to it's always going to inevitably
Speaker 1: attempt to get rid of whatever buffers there may be
Speaker 1: that stop this hideous accumulation. And yeah, it's it's just
Speaker 1: really sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and I'll be honest even that as
Speaker 2: being a rooted now because as China opens up, we
Speaker 2: see more and more and more and more, and you
Speaker 2: could just see like videos of people you can see
Speaker 2: Beijing and Shanghai and all these these wonderful like uh
Speaker 2: you know other places that you know, beautiful stuff that
Speaker 2: they have and all of this, like you know, the
Speaker 2: the lifestyle and the culture that they have over there.
Speaker 2: You can see it for yourself without the media, without
Speaker 2: the American government as an intern or any government as
Speaker 2: an intermediary. And when you see that and you're like,
Speaker 2: people go over there and they're like, there aren't homeless people,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, they're like.
Speaker 1: We used to not have homeless people here. We do now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's like, I mean, because we've been doing that,
Speaker 1: We've been doing austerity for so long, and like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess that's the other thing, just circling way back
Speaker 1: that is really difficult with here is that when you
Speaker 1: were like, well, how are they going to enforce this thing?
Speaker 1: Like who's going to enforce it? Like the one good
Speaker 1: thing we did with austerity here? As well as that
Speaker 1: there are no fucking cops either. It's like we like
Speaker 1: we also like defunded the police, so it's like like
Speaker 1: there are no fucking cops, which actually makes it more
Speaker 1: like fucked up that they went and arrested, like, you know,
Speaker 1: a year old priest, because it's like, dude.
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, you have seven cops on rotation in
Speaker 2: the country, what are you you? You got three of
Speaker 2: them to arrest this guy?
Speaker 1: There's like no police And so basically our social order
Speaker 1: is being like completely kept together just by people agreeing
Speaker 1: to do that, which I think is actually quite interesting
Speaker 1: and instructive because people are just like, yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing all that, Like I'm not I'm not gonna like
Speaker 1: rob my neighbors. Why would I do that? You know,
Speaker 1: like even in a time that is really difficult and
Speaker 1: when when people are really struggling, right, So I mean
Speaker 1: that actually I think speaks very well of us as
Speaker 1: a society. And and also it tells you how useless
Speaker 1: cops are, right I mean now, to be fair, like,
Speaker 1: are there some downsides to it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: You know, like you know, I live in London and
Speaker 1: I have a bicycle. Is my major form of transportation?
Speaker 1: Do it be getting stolen? Yeah? Like looks this.
Speaker 2: Should turn you into a frothing reactionary. Some poor persons
Speaker 2: healing your bike because they're tired of walking everywhere. That
Speaker 2: should turn you into like pole pot too, like like
Speaker 2: you should you should be you should be killing you
Speaker 2: should you know, be wanting to kill every every non
Speaker 2: white person you see.
Speaker 1: You you know, I have a little cry when it happens.
Speaker 2: You know, of course you do, because it sucks. You
Speaker 2: have to.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm not I'm like, no idea, but I
Speaker 3: get over it, right, and also.
Speaker 1: Because of course you do because stuff assurance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I just even if you don't, stuff happens,
Speaker 2: you know, you're out, You're out a couple hundred three
Speaker 2: or four hundred bucks sometimes, like yeah, exactly, it really sucks,
Speaker 2: like but it happens, you know, Like I.
Speaker 1: Mean, we don't, we don't love it. It's not necessarily
Speaker 1: what I would, uh what I would one hundred percent
Speaker 1: want to happen. But like you know, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just part of it's all part.
Speaker 2: Of the fun, it's all part of the I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like you could have just let Corbin hang around
Speaker 2: for a little bit and you would not have these
Speaker 2: problems like you you would you would not have all
Speaker 2: these if you just let Corbin had like have like
Speaker 2: a normal, like little term and then and then you
Speaker 2: know kind of pepper everything on the edges with like, wow,
Speaker 2: he's not getting much done. You don't talk about all
Speaker 2: the obstruction you're doing, but you know whatever, and you
Speaker 2: just let that go. But they couldn't, like you, you
Speaker 2: couldn't even let this old like guy who wants to
Speaker 2: apologize for himself all the time. You couldn't even let
Speaker 2: him do that. And now this is the mess that
Speaker 2: you have. And it's like I think, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I've talked about it on here, but it's something
Speaker 2: I've been thinking about a lot. But like communism and socialism,
Speaker 2: probably if you, if you, if you just step back
Speaker 2: and think about it, they probably shouldn't be around anymore.
Speaker 2: Like the Soviet Union fell, Capitalism was triumphant in the nineties,
Speaker 2: It like that should have been the end of it,
Speaker 2: because people like you don't have real mercantilists around anymore.
Speaker 2: You don't have people like and the people who are
Speaker 2: like monarchists and want to go back to like medieval life.
Speaker 2: Just mean that, like they don't want to see black
Speaker 2: people and they don't want to they don't want to
Speaker 2: live in the humdrum of the city or what you know.
Speaker 2: It's like in in in the nineties, that should have
Speaker 2: gone away, and like but like China had like insulated
Speaker 2: themselves to such a point, you know, and like they
Speaker 2: had even when they had to open up and start
Speaker 2: doing their their bits of neoliberalizing, you like you might
Speaker 2: you probably would think, like, okay, with the entire weight
Speaker 2: of the world bearing down on them, this should have
Speaker 2: this should have cracked. It should have cracked China and
Speaker 2: Vietnam and Laos in North Korea and Cuba, and they
Speaker 2: should have all gone the way Yugoslavia or whatever rip
Speaker 2: to a real one. But they didn't, and socialism is
Speaker 2: still here. Like you have people in the West who
Speaker 2: live in the lap of God who see like these
Speaker 2: problems for what they are and they're like, no, there's
Speaker 2: a better way. Even though in America, anti communism has
Speaker 2: been the raison debt of our government for eighty years.
Speaker 2: This year, it'll be eighty years since the end of
Speaker 2: World War two. Eighty fucking years. No one in this
Speaker 2: country should still like should have these ideas. You should
Speaker 2: spit when you hear the name of Marx, but you
Speaker 2: don't because this shit is so bad and you can
Speaker 2: see it happening everywhere else. And like, yeah, like the
Speaker 2: communist countries did have to neoliberalize to an extent, but
Speaker 2: like when you look at China and you look at Vietnam,
Speaker 2: like like the like, they seem so much more competent
Speaker 2: and put together than the ramshackle bullshit we've got going on.
Speaker 2: And it's just like it does give me hope because
Speaker 2: like people like people in the West, people in like
Speaker 2: other people in parts of the world that are not
Speaker 2: very adjacent to socialist or communist countries should not still
Speaker 2: be adhering to this old doctrine that was supposedly completely
Speaker 2: destroyed in nineteen ninety one, you know, end of History
Speaker 2: and all that shit. You know, uh Fukuyama and you
Speaker 2: know his uh incredibly wrong prediction. But like socialism is
Speaker 2: supposed to be dead and it's it's not. And like.
Speaker 1: There's a specta.
Speaker 2: It's the happenstances of this world to put us in
Speaker 2: this position. And it's like I do I just find
Speaker 2: it so interesting because like now we are at this
Speaker 2: point with like it looks like both of the parties
Speaker 2: in America in the next decade are going to break,
Speaker 2: if not much much sooner than that. And like one
Speaker 2: of the proximate causes to this will be somebody in
Speaker 2: the government killing the world's most notorious pedophile. Like when
Speaker 2: this collapses, if it collapses in the next ten or
Speaker 2: fifteen years, that will be a massive, massive, fucking massive
Speaker 2: part of it. And it's all because these idiots and
Speaker 2: like Trump and Elon weakening the deep state because like, uh,
Speaker 2: government spending and then they realized they didn't care about
Speaker 2: government spending anymore, but they'd already hollowed out the soft
Speaker 2: power Apparatuss And you're just like, what if you were trying,
Speaker 2: if I was writing a script, and how like some
Speaker 2: more bumbling moron could go in and uh kind of
Speaker 2: mister magoo their way into like destroying the American empire.
Speaker 2: These are things that I would do, like backing Israel
Speaker 2: to the hip both sides, backing Israel to the hilt,
Speaker 2: both sides backing immigration like concentration camps and just brutalism
Speaker 2: to the hilt. Both sides like being afraid to attack
Speaker 2: the other over this Epstein stuff because they're both implicated.
Speaker 2: This kind of stuff completely hollows out remaining trusts that
Speaker 2: people have in these governments. It's like I harp on it,
Speaker 2: I talk about it a lot, but like, what.
Speaker 1: Are you wrong?
Speaker 2: I don't think I am.
Speaker 1: I don't think you are.
Speaker 2: I don't know what's gonna happen. You can all throw
Speaker 2: this in my face in the camps if you want.
Speaker 2: When it happens, I don't know, but like I don't
Speaker 2: think you would. But some people but like like people
Speaker 2: just like and like you see these things like oh,
Speaker 2: it's it's so over, you know this like thing, and
Speaker 2: it's like these people do not have the control that
Speaker 2: they won't. This is the second time as farce through fascism.
Speaker 2: Like the first time is tragedy, this time is farest
Speaker 2: It's tragedy plus stupidity. That's where we're at. It's tragedy
Speaker 2: plus like ultra stupidity that is myopically centered on itself,
Speaker 2: Like do you realize that it like, how insane it
Speaker 2: is for all of these governments to start going so
Speaker 2: like internal and navel gazing and starting to do hard
Speaker 2: borders and everything. We already established international community or international
Speaker 2: capitalism as the way of things at the end of
Speaker 2: World War two, the Breton Woods Agreement. Even though we
Speaker 2: broke it when we took it off, the gold standard
Speaker 2: is still in effect because the dollar is still the
Speaker 2: world reserve currency. You cannot have an American power, an
Speaker 2: American empire without the dollar, and you cannot have the
Speaker 2: dollar as the world reserve currency without having an international
Speaker 2: capitalist regime that every that basically everybody is part of
Speaker 2: either by hook or by crook. And now you're like, oh,
Speaker 2: we don't need to do internationalism. Globalism is evil. It's like, bitch,
Speaker 2: the only reason any of this exists is because of globalism.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's the thing. Like that like all
Speaker 2: those fucking State Department US State Department fascists, like the
Speaker 2: dullest Is who like like we're making deals with every
Speaker 2: fascist in Europe, like behind Hitler's back, Like Hitler's a
Speaker 2: little too problematic for us, but you know, we're fine
Speaker 2: with you. Ustasia, guys, taking you out of Europe on ratlines.
Speaker 2: The Pope is big fans of them, by the way,
Speaker 2: and uh, like they they knew that, they knew that
Speaker 2: this was a global thing and that national capitalism would
Speaker 2: destroy everyone because we just myopically at ourselves and and
Speaker 2: launch our world killing weapons against other people. And they're
Speaker 2: just they're just running away from it. There they are
Speaker 2: killing the Golden Goose. Well they are.
Speaker 1: I just genuinely believe that this is a result of
Speaker 1: the fact that people are really fucking stupid and they
Speaker 1: don't realize it. Like every one of these these bitches
Speaker 1: who thinks that they're like really clever and believes in
Speaker 1: IQ and everything is the stupidest person you've ever met
Speaker 1: in your life. And they have absolutely no concept of
Speaker 1: what it takes to run even like their own bullshit.
Speaker 2: Even if you get us, even if you get the
Speaker 2: two of us, you're not beating China. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't like you actually needed any and I
Speaker 1: would prefer to.
Speaker 2: See it, but like, yeah, fuck off, fuck off. You
Speaker 2: guys are just strangling the golden goose while you tell
Speaker 2: everyone that the goose is still strong and healthy and
Speaker 2: shitting gold and it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's like, you know, the trouble is I mean,
Speaker 1: I really do think that, uh, China is going to
Speaker 1: be the trouble with it because people can kind of
Speaker 1: see that there there's a new game in town, and
Speaker 1: like that's just you can try. You can try signophobia
Speaker 1: all you want, and you know, signophobia is a is
Speaker 1: a pretty powerful force unfortunately, but like it's just a
Speaker 1: lot more. Yeah, it's then you think.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I see China. I think of like
Speaker 2: the Great Wall and like and and Mao and and
Speaker 2: fucking Yooming and like stuff like that. It's like like
Speaker 2: we the world has moved past this, they really have.
Speaker 2: People like our leaders have not clearly because they are
Speaker 2: invested in an old, dying system that they're going to
Speaker 2: cling onto at all costs with their fingernails dug into it.
Speaker 2: But like, is are people going to continue doing that
Speaker 2: in the future, like all of these people like in
Speaker 2: thirty in thirty years, if the if the population continues
Speaker 2: as it is and the views keep changing as they
Speaker 2: are in twenty or thirty years supporting Israel, which still
Speaker 2: won't be a thing by then there's a fucking way,
Speaker 2: but like it will be like it would be like
Speaker 2: a two percent thing like we are talking about like
Speaker 2: something that is so they control everything until they don't
Speaker 2: until it cracks, until it breaks. And I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've said it before, I say it again. I don't
Speaker 2: know when that happened. Eighty years, eighty hours, I don't
Speaker 2: fucking know. Maybe after I'm dead, maybe it'll be over
Speaker 2: my bones. But whatever, Like something's got to change, and
Speaker 2: people understand that I don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2: I mean, but like, yeah, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to happen. I understand why
Speaker 2: people are depressed, but to me, like I just see
Speaker 2: this stuff and I'm just like America collapsing because the
Speaker 2: two parties in power wouldn't fight each other and wouldn't
Speaker 2: have it out over, like, wouldn't just expel all the
Speaker 2: pediasts and try to maintain power. Like if you're the
Speaker 2: if you're the Democrats, fucking tell Bill Clinton and Hillary
Speaker 2: to pack it up.
Speaker 1: Bye bye.
Speaker 2: Like if like you like the Democrats, this is so easy,
Speaker 2: but they won't.
Speaker 1: It's the dude, this is the way that America should
Speaker 1: go out.
Speaker 2: A guy, a fake financier who is basically just a
Speaker 2: basically just a guy who who connected wealthy mostly men
Speaker 2: with with young women. And he did that for all
Speaker 2: of the people in power all across the world. And
Speaker 2: now like and now all this instead of just like
Speaker 2: sacrificing a few a couple of people, just just give
Speaker 2: the people, like, you know, just push Bill Clinton Trump
Speaker 2: out there and then just kind of be like, okay, whatever,
Speaker 2: like we'll figure you know, like it's but you won't
Speaker 2: you will not do that like to preserve anything, because
Speaker 2: that would just break too much stuff and then, you know,
Speaker 2: then you wouldn't be whatever this fucking mishmash ideology you
Speaker 2: have now of like right wing and like barely centrist beliefs, Like, you.
Speaker 1: Know, what a time to be alive.
Speaker 2: It is, what a fucking time, What a weird, stupid, funny,
Speaker 2: so funny time to be like it there is so
Speaker 2: much horror, but like at the same time, like America,
Speaker 2: when I was a kid, America was an eternal thing.
Speaker 2: It was never going to end. In my mind, I
Speaker 2: could not conceive of America ending because how how would
Speaker 2: it happen? We outspent the Soviets, We spent them into
Speaker 2: the grave. China I fucking know anything about China, Like
Speaker 2: who's going to come over here? Or you can't attack
Speaker 2: us from the seas, So is it Canada in Mexico?
Speaker 2: Come on, that's stupid. But now now we're being just pulled.
Speaker 2: We're pulled apart. We're pulled apart by contradictions that are
Speaker 2: so sharp we have no idea how to how to
Speaker 2: handle them. And the people in power are so corrupt
Speaker 2: and so just bereft of anything, any redeeming quality whatsoever.
Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, why would people want to say this?
Speaker 2: What is there to save? Like this structure sucks. You
Speaker 2: want to save the people, You want to save the land.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 2: You want to save like society, a global society as
Speaker 2: a whole. But this ship, these borders, this genocide, this
Speaker 2: genocidal pediass state that we are all enthralled to or
Speaker 2: controlled by in some way.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: Fuck it. Fuck all of them, all of them, all
Speaker 2: the borders, all of them, fuck them, fuck them all,
Speaker 2: fuck all the countries, get whatever. Such a fuck. I
Speaker 2: always sound like such a fucking hippie when I talk
Speaker 2: about this. It's like, oh, just like we can do it,
Speaker 2: but we can these borders don't mean anything. The Canadian
Speaker 2: border with America is just like a bunch of land
Speaker 2: that they mow like with a with a big zone
Speaker 2: in the middle of it. Like it doesn't that that
Speaker 2: it's not real. It's not it's not a it's not
Speaker 2: a functional border. Even the Rio Grande is a real border.
Speaker 2: The river between US and Mexico, like it is, but
Speaker 2: it also stops part of the way, like it doesn't
Speaker 2: it doesn't end.
Speaker 1: But that's not important.
Speaker 2: I anyway, Like I don't know what's gonna happen. Maybe
Speaker 2: I'll eat my words tomorrow. I don't fucking know. But like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it's insane, what an insane time. I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad if I have to spend it that I
Speaker 2: could spend it with you all.
Speaker 1: You know, with like I'll tell you what. The homies
Speaker 1: are thriving. Okay, no, we're not. We're very distressed, but
Speaker 1: uh but we're here and we love each other. And
Speaker 1: that's what we've got going.
Speaker 2: Under so much under so much stress, so much anxiety
Speaker 2: about the world and kids and life and money and everything.
Speaker 2: And but at the same time just fucking laughing, because
Speaker 2: like what else am I supposed to do with this shit,
Speaker 2: like what what?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Where's our TikTok band? The thing that was going to
Speaker 2: be the end of the world, the fucking TikTok ban.
Speaker 2: And that is a law in this country that Trump
Speaker 2: just keeps telling me ag not to enforce, like so,
Speaker 2: a law to keep a Chinese company open in this
Speaker 2: country after the Democrats stupidly voted, like pushed to ban
Speaker 2: it because that was going to stop people from learning
Speaker 2: about Israel's crimes apparently, and it's something you would think
Speaker 2: they would that Republicans would enforce because it's China, it's
Speaker 2: a Chinese company and they're doing propaganda to some degree
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 1: But absolutely are.
Speaker 2: But you oh yeah, yeah, but you can't. But but
Speaker 2: they can't do that because like young people love it
Speaker 2: too much. It's too much of a platform for people,
Speaker 2: and they just keep not enforcing their own law to
Speaker 2: help the country that is going to take over the
Speaker 2: global hedge of hege Miny from US in ten fifteen years,
Speaker 2: five years, two years, twenty I don't fucking know, but.
Speaker 1: Like, well they couldn't because remember then all the kids
Speaker 1: went and got on the Chinese one, and then the
Speaker 1: Chinese people came me like, hey, is it true that
Speaker 1: America is this fuck up? And then everyone was sad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then and then they were and everybody went
Speaker 2: and got on that stuff, and everybody's like, wait, what,
Speaker 2: Like these people are just normal people like us. They
Speaker 2: have the same fears and hopes and dreams and like,
Speaker 2: and they're and and they're like, is it government propaganda
Speaker 2: that you guys have to pay for health's insurance? No
Speaker 2: it's not No, No, it's not provided to us. Yes,
Speaker 2: they're only people. Yes, yes, this is the wealthiest country
Speaker 2: and history. Yes, we are suffering under mountains of personal debt.
Speaker 1: Like, I.
Speaker 2: Fantastic, What an insane I'm not kidding. What an insane
Speaker 2: time to be alive? What an insane? What an insane era?
Speaker 2: I don't even know. I don't know what. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the folks gonna happen. I have no idea, folks.
Speaker 1: We have it's emotional, folks.
Speaker 2: I don't even know what to do with this. If
Speaker 2: you didn't want to hear about English and American politics today,
Speaker 2: well I'm real sorry. Come to the wrong the wrong,
Speaker 2: the wrong place, because we'll be back next week.
Speaker 1: We'll talk about yourself we we we are also people
Speaker 1: who have to live in the same wretched world as you.
Speaker 1: And yeah, sometimes we just gotta we gotta get it
Speaker 1: off our chest. So that's what's up. That's what's up.
Speaker 2: Oh man. I was listening to a podcast and I
Speaker 2: won't say which one because I do like the podcast,
Speaker 2: but one of the hosts was like talking about something
Speaker 2: and they were like, you know, well, maybe this is
Speaker 2: how and they said, maybe this is how it's happening
Speaker 2: in a country that's not descending into fascism, you know,
Speaker 2: like England, and I died. I was like, like a couple, Like,
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you. They got they probably have
Speaker 2: it worse than we do.
Speaker 1: Look at least we kind of a little bit have healthcare.
Speaker 2: You got me there. I can't I can't do anything
Speaker 2: about that. Unfortunately, now you will have to provide three
Speaker 2: forms of ID to post look at my slutty little dress,
Speaker 2: or I think the government should not kill children? You know,
Speaker 2: how dare you.
Speaker 1: The two genders? Time to be alive?
Speaker 2: Oh fuck, yeah, what a time to be alive. We're
Speaker 2: not so different, et cetera, et cetera. Folks, you know
Speaker 2: that's gonna do it? For us today. Uh, just a
Speaker 2: free flowing discussion of current events. I hope it didn't
Speaker 2: stress you out too much. If it did, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: happy thoughts. Sorry, Yeah, well we'll get there. We will
Speaker 2: get there. We will win. There are more of us
Speaker 2: than them. We will win. And uh, yeah, we'll get there.
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Speaker 2: what do you got going on? What's what's?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the major things that are going on at
Speaker 1: the moment. I'm trying to think of other things that
Speaker 1: are up. I recently recorded with our friends at the
Speaker 1: Napoleonic War podcast a Napoleonic Wars. Uh, so that is
Speaker 1: going to be up I think later this week. So
Speaker 1: if you want to hear me talking about sexuality in
Speaker 1: the modern period aka kind of like the Napoleonic and
Speaker 1: Victorian eras. That's the place to do it. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got like a bunch of fucking recording this week, so
Speaker 1: I'll let you all know when that comes out. But yeah,
Speaker 1: your girls run off her feet, but I will let
Speaker 1: you know when it's all happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can find me. Uh lukey is amazing
Speaker 2: on the stuff if you can farmental show. People's just
Speaker 2: the overhaul of like if you want to hear me
Speaker 2: talk about Star Wars a few years ago. But yeah, folks,
Speaker 2: that's gonna to do it for us today. I hope
Speaker 2: you enjoyed the Catharsis and uh, we'll see you next time.
Speaker 1: Keep it the faith of comrades. Bye mm hmm Okay,