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Speaker 2: And Welcome to the show. I am joined again by
Speaker 2: my co host Luke Hey. Good to be here, and
Speaker 2: tonight it's going to be a very different show because
Speaker 2: we don't have an actual guest, so I'm kind of
Speaker 2: going to be the guest in a sense tonight, and
Speaker 2: We're going to see if this turns into an absolute
Speaker 2: debacle or not. Because I'm not used to talking about
Speaker 2: things relating to myself and this type of subject matter.
Speaker 2: I did put up the John Anthony West Interview if
Speaker 2: you're interested in that. That is both the video and
Speaker 2: as an audio podcast if anyone wants to hear it.
Speaker 2: That's John Anthony West and Lard Scranton, and Laird drops
Speaker 2: some big bombshells about his work near the end of it,
Speaker 2: and you get to see John's Egyptian Pharaoh dog, which
Speaker 2: is a really awesome dog, and it's nothing more appropriate
Speaker 2: than he would have an Egyptian Pharaoh dog. Thing just
Speaker 2: floats when it runs.
Speaker 4: It was weird.
Speaker 2: So that's up on the website and on the YouTube
Speaker 2: page Where Did the Roadgo dot com. Obviously, if you
Speaker 2: have any questions tonight as we're talking, you're listening live
Speaker 2: on WVBR, come into the chat which is right on
Speaker 2: the website. One of the things I did want to
Speaker 2: address briefly was the Roswell slides. I don't know if
Speaker 2: you've been following this whole thing, so for over a
Speaker 2: year now, there have been these researchers saying that they
Speaker 2: had proof of Roswell's aliens and there were these slides
Speaker 2: that were dated legitimately back to the time period in
Speaker 2: the same area. And on Tuesday, I think it was,
Speaker 2: they had a big conference and they finally revealed the slides,
Speaker 2: much to everyone's disappointment. And what it looks like. And
Speaker 2: Nick Redfern has done a great job of tracking this down.
Speaker 2: It looks like it was a mummified body in a
Speaker 2: museum in New Mexico. He did an amazing amount of work.
Speaker 2: I posted it to the Facebook of Where Did the
Speaker 2: Road Go? And the jury still out isn't exactly what
Speaker 2: it's a mummified of. It was listed apparently at the
Speaker 2: museum as an alien body, but it may have very
Speaker 2: well been a child. Looking at the one slide that
Speaker 2: was officially released, you can kind of tell it's in
Speaker 2: a museum display. So I don't know what happened. They're
Speaker 2: pretty good researchers that have put it out, and it's yeah,
Speaker 2: just kind of blew up and people are flipping out
Speaker 2: about it. We do have coming up in June Richard
Speaker 2: dolan On and Richard was one of the people who
Speaker 2: was at that conference and has somewhat been defending it,
Speaker 2: saying that he doesn't necessarily get behind it, but he's
Speaker 2: still leaving it open as to what the body actually was.
Speaker 2: It's pretty clear, however, it was not a picture of
Speaker 2: a military organization with a dead body from Roswell, and
Speaker 2: I think that might have been a misunderstanding somewhere along
Speaker 2: the line where they came. They realized these slides were
Speaker 2: from that area in that time period, and they just
Speaker 2: got tagged on with the Roswell slides. I think at
Speaker 2: some point I did hear the researchers saying, yeah, this
Speaker 2: is not necessarily from Roswell. So that was kind of
Speaker 2: the big big thing this week. There were a lot
Speaker 2: of problems with the feed as they broadcast live from
Speaker 2: I think it was Mexico City and people couldn't get
Speaker 2: it in, and then finally when they did get it in,
Speaker 2: they showed these slides and people were like, that was it.
Speaker 2: So yeah. Michah Hanks also did a pretty good article
Speaker 2: on it, covering all sides of it, which I don't
Speaker 2: remember exactly. Good of Micah's Facebook page, it's on there
Speaker 2: if you're not too hard to find. Michael Hanks spelled
Speaker 2: like it sounds, and of course he's been on the
Speaker 2: show a million times. Upcoming, we're gonna air next week
Speaker 2: the second part of the interview we did with Alta
Speaker 2: and Chad Dillard out of three parts because that was
Speaker 2: a long one. And the week after that we have
Speaker 2: Michael m Hughes. And Michael has written a bunch of
Speaker 2: fictional books, but his nonfiction work deals with supernatural, deals
Speaker 2: with shamanism, it deals with UFOs, it does with the paranormal.
Speaker 2: He's all across the board. He's fascinating about it, very
Speaker 2: down to earth about it. So he'll be other twenty
Speaker 2: third after that, we're going to be talking to Rick
Speaker 2: Strassman actually Monday, and that may end up being a
Speaker 2: two part interview, one on his initial work and one
Speaker 2: on the new book, which is really kind of mind
Speaker 2: boggling where he takes the concept of prophecy in the
Speaker 2: old test them and shows how it may have been
Speaker 2: DMPT related.
Speaker 3: It's interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: And we'll also be talking to Artie six Killer, who
Speaker 2: has written a book called Skypeople where she goes down
Speaker 2: and talks to the Maya people about their modern UFO
Speaker 2: experiences and also connects it to some of the older
Speaker 2: experiences in the area. And I'm trying to think who
Speaker 2: else we have coming up. I got a ton more
Speaker 2: interviews coming up, almost more than we can handle as
Speaker 2: far as scheduling goes. So the next part with Mike
Speaker 2: Clelland and Aaron Gullias will be coming up as well.
Speaker 2: But I don't have set dates on anything but the
Speaker 2: few that are on the web page right now, so
Speaker 2: you can always go to Where the Road Go dot
Speaker 2: com and find out what's coming up in the future.
Speaker 2: All right, So, one of the things I wanted to
Speaker 2: bring up, and I've been looking for a guest who
Speaker 2: knew more about this than I do, and I've never
Speaker 2: been able to find one. Most people have heard of
Speaker 2: Kundalini yoga. Most people probably do not realize that Kundalini
Speaker 2: can wake up in people completely spontaneously, very unpleasant, and
Speaker 2: technically it can kill people. And this to me has
Speaker 2: always been fascinating. I experienced this when I was twelve
Speaker 2: years old, and it started off very, very mildly. Whereas
Speaker 2: my background, as far as religion and all that was
Speaker 2: kind of a I don't know, bare bones Christian, you know,
Speaker 2: my parents were Christian just because they were supposed to
Speaker 2: be Christian. They didn't go to church, they didn't really
Speaker 2: practice religion or anything like that. So I was not
Speaker 2: exposed to anything Eastern in any way. And I started
Speaker 2: having very mild hallucinations. And those hallucinations were things. For instance,
Speaker 2: I played trombone, and as I played trombone, I would
Speaker 2: see steam coming out of the end of it, and
Speaker 2: I knew logically that wasn't happening, but I could watch
Speaker 2: it happen as I was playing, and I would bring
Speaker 2: my mother in and she would sit there and it
Speaker 2: wouldn't do it, and then she'd leave the room and
Speaker 2: steam would come out of the trombone. I legitimately thought
Speaker 2: I was going crazy. I would try to go to sleep,
Speaker 2: and as I started to lay down to go to sleep,
Speaker 2: I'd hear cans rattling outside my window. There were no
Speaker 2: cans outside my window, and just little things like that
Speaker 2: initially is how it started, and they were just I'd
Speaker 2: sit there and be like, what is wrong with me?
Speaker 2: I know these things aren't real, but there they are.
Speaker 2: I can't ignore them. And eventually, over the years it
Speaker 2: translated into an very intense pain. This was the main
Speaker 2: symptom of it, around my tailbone, around my stomach, to
Speaker 2: the point where I went to doctor after doctor because
Speaker 2: I was in such intense pain and there was nothing
Speaker 2: physically wrong with me, so I had no way of
Speaker 2: dealing with this. Doctors thought I was faking it, thought
Speaker 2: I was just saying I was in pain when I
Speaker 2: was not, and I was in an extraordinary amount of pain.
Speaker 2: In fact, the only thing I've ever found more painful
Speaker 2: than that was when I had a abscess under one
Speaker 2: of my teeth, and that damn near killed me a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago, and that I think might be
Speaker 2: the only thing that was more painful. The difference is
Speaker 2: the abscess stayed there for like three three days before
Speaker 2: the medication kicked in and finally started bringing it down.
Speaker 2: Whereas the pain from Kundalini would hit, it would be
Speaker 2: really intense for a short period of time and then
Speaker 2: it would numb down and go away. It did cause
Speaker 2: me to black out at least once, probably more than once,
Speaker 2: only once when I was on my feet and I
Speaker 2: had walked up. It started when I was in the
Speaker 2: kitchen and I walked up my stairs and it just
Speaker 2: kept getting It would come in waves, and it would
Speaker 2: feel like someone had stabbed you with a knife and
Speaker 2: the knife was on fire and they were twisting it
Speaker 2: and it was just and I got up to my
Speaker 2: bedroom door and I as I grabbed the door handle,
Speaker 2: I had a soda in one hand. I grabbed the
Speaker 2: door handle and I blacked out from the pan and
Speaker 2: I had hit the door, and as I had hit
Speaker 2: the door knocked me. It woke me back up and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, And really, the only thing I
Speaker 2: knew how what to do at the time was to
Speaker 2: lay down and just kind of try to position myself
Speaker 2: so the pain would lessen, and eventually it would work
Speaker 2: its way through and it would stop. And sometimes it
Speaker 2: could be hours, sometimes it could be a few minutes.
Speaker 2: To this day, it still occasionally pops up, but it's
Speaker 2: generally not that level of pain. Plus I know enough
Speaker 2: techniques now once I identified it to know what was
Speaker 2: happening to me. But it took a good ten years
Speaker 2: before I had any idea what it was. And that
Speaker 2: was just by fluke chance. When I was on Micro's show,
Speaker 2: I had said, Fate Magazine kind of saved my life
Speaker 2: with this one, because they randomly started sending me a
Speaker 2: sample magazine and I was always into the paranormal and
Speaker 2: stuff like that, and I was like, oh great, this
Speaker 2: is a fantastic magazine, so I ordered it. In there,
Speaker 2: they had a link to a Llewellyn magazine that was
Speaker 2: for free that was uh wellum books, and they just
Speaker 2: you know sent out a thing with a few slim
Speaker 2: articles about books they had coming out. One of them
Speaker 2: was on Cundalini and as I'm reading it, I'm reading
Speaker 2: the description and I'm going, oh my god, this is
Speaker 2: everything I've been experiencing the last ten years. And had
Speaker 2: no idea. They went to the library started pulling out
Speaker 2: books on condolinium. There were very few. John White's was
Speaker 2: one of the good ones. I think it's called Coundlinian Enlightenment,
Speaker 2: and it's a collection of articles from different people who
Speaker 2: have written about it from different cultures and different perspectives,
Speaker 2: and a lot of it when it awakens them, when
Speaker 2: it awakens the Yeah, what's the word I'm looking for
Speaker 2: on its own, spontaneous, spontaneous thank you. It's considered a
Speaker 2: morbid awakening and it can make you very sick. And
Speaker 2: actually I wrote down a list of the symptoms that
Speaker 2: are most common. Yeah, so one of them is twitching,
Speaker 2: and like, it can almost be misdiagnosed as epilepsy in
Speaker 2: some people because the twitching and the uncontrollable movements can
Speaker 2: get so strong. I didn't have that level of it,
Speaker 2: but I always had the electrical kind of twitching. It
Speaker 2: literally feels like electricity going through your body. And I'll
Speaker 2: get to the electrical elements in a bit. Yeah, pulsating
Speaker 2: energy is one of the big ones because you can
Speaker 2: feel it, just like your whole body just starts pulsing
Speaker 2: and it gets more and more intense. And I've been
Speaker 2: told that when I'm asleep, my whole body sometimes will
Speaker 2: just start pulsating. The uh kind of an uncontrolled emotional
Speaker 2: state too, can happen where you'll feel suddenly angry for
Speaker 2: no reason or really blissful and enlightened again without any
Speaker 2: real trigger. It's the energy just kind of moving through
Speaker 2: you and triggering stuff off. Heat and cold are very,
Speaker 2: very common. I've rarely had the cold, but the heat
Speaker 2: makes you feel like you're about to spontaneously.
Speaker 3: Combust that's unfortunate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've often wondered if the spontaneous combustion really
Speaker 2: is a level of Kundalini hitting a point where it
Speaker 2: causes spontaneous combustion. I've known people who have had the
Speaker 2: cold to such an extreme that it can be ninety
Speaker 2: five degrees out and they can't get warm because the
Speaker 2: cold's coming from inside. And electrosensitivity you blow stuff up basically, really, yes,
Speaker 2: And I'm going to get to the level of things
Speaker 2: I've blown up in a little bit, which relates to
Speaker 2: our conversation last week with Wallace and how consciousness may
Speaker 2: be electrical in nature. But yeah, I had a girlfriend
Speaker 2: who was the only person I ever knew who had
Speaker 2: worse incidents of KUNDERLINI than I did. And if she
Speaker 2: was using a laptop and handed it to me, it
Speaker 2: would just lock up and vice versa. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just every single time if we put it down, it
Speaker 2: was fine. So it wasn't a movement thing. It was
Speaker 2: a from one energy field to another. It was that
Speaker 2: strong that would blow stuff up and with hers if
Speaker 2: she got angry, electronics would just die, including our car.
Speaker 3: That sounds expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not fun. And the funny thing is
Speaker 2: foreign cars are more susceptible than American cars. So I've
Speaker 2: had Fords that never had electrical problems. Had a votes Wagon,
Speaker 2: the electronics just kept dying on it. We had left
Speaker 2: the station one night and we were driving home morning,
Speaker 2: and we're driving home and we got into a fight,
Speaker 2: and as we get into the fight, the car just
Speaker 2: dies and she just puts her head down and she's like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Because it was so cause and effect. There
Speaker 2: was no it wasn't like, okay, this was just a
Speaker 2: random the car died, and when it happened, you'd have.
Speaker 4: It looked at.
Speaker 2: Eventually they couldn't find anything wrong with it. One day
Speaker 2: it would just start up and be fine again without
Speaker 2: them having to really fix anything. So it was overloading
Speaker 2: the electronics somewhere and apparently not even getting out of
Speaker 2: the system. For a while. Let's see, pain, as I
Speaker 2: already described, is one of the worst symptoms. It can
Speaker 2: also make you physically ill. It can make you seem
Speaker 2: like you have any kind of diseases and things like that.
Speaker 2: What's happening is the energy from the Hindu version of it.
Speaker 2: It lies coiled at the base of the spine, just
Speaker 2: underneath the tailboa and it moves up your spine through
Speaker 2: the chakras. Now, the thing is, when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: i'd never heard of a chakra before. I had never
Speaker 2: heard of any of this. But when I found information
Speaker 2: on it, I realized where the pain was was right
Speaker 2: where they were saying the chakras were, And to me,
Speaker 2: that kind of validated that, Okay, maybe there's something to
Speaker 2: the whole chakra system. Because I didn't know about that.
Speaker 2: It wasn't in my head. Because this was we're talking
Speaker 2: early eighties when this started. There was no Internet. I
Speaker 2: couldn't just go on and look this stuff up. But
Speaker 2: the pain can manifest in a lot of different ways.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of random symptoms, like your heart beating fast.
Speaker 2: Sometimes pressure in your skull, like your skull was cracking apart,
Speaker 2: and it feels like it almost feels like a concussion,
Speaker 2: especially along the back of your skull. It feels like
Speaker 2: it's just cracked and the pressure keeps building. Hallucinations I've
Speaker 2: already gotten into, and you can have anything from sounds
Speaker 2: like a flute, drumming, rattling bees, buzzing, roaring, wishing types
Speaker 2: of sounds, and these are also common in DMT experiences.
Speaker 2: Sudden bursts of creativity, which definitely you'll suddenly be like,
Speaker 2: oh my God, I understand all this stuff, and you'll
Speaker 2: just suddenly and then it's just gone. Psychic abilities. I
Speaker 2: can't point to anything that I ever had prior to
Speaker 2: this where I would say, oh, that was a weird
Speaker 2: paranormal experience or a psychic experience. But once it really started,
Speaker 2: the number of experiences started accumulating. Eventually I started going
Speaker 2: after them, but initially they were not something I grew
Speaker 2: into my life. And yes, Feelings of Enlightenment is the
Speaker 2: last one I have down here, and it definitely can
Speaker 2: give you that. My experiences were more of some of
Speaker 2: the more unpleasant experiences. The concept being that each chakra
Speaker 2: has stuff in them. They correspond to aspects of your consciousness,
Speaker 2: and as the energy moves up through them. If there's
Speaker 2: stuff you're not dealing with, it burns through them, hence
Speaker 2: the pain, the feeling of fire, heat and cold, and
Speaker 2: so on and so forth. When I've met people who
Speaker 2: also have Kundalini experiences, I've also found that if I
Speaker 2: put my hand on the chakra that's hard hurting them,
Speaker 2: I can pick up what they're blocking. It just appears
Speaker 2: in my head, and it's usually stuff you don't want
Speaker 2: to deal with, which is why they're not dealing with it,
Speaker 2: why it's blocked off. So it took me a long
Speaker 2: time of just trying to work through it, not knowing
Speaker 2: what was coming from. As I said, I went to
Speaker 2: plenty of doctors, none of them had any clue. Once
Speaker 2: I knew what it was, then at least I could
Speaker 2: get a handle on it, because then I learned how
Speaker 2: to do different meditations. I learned how to do breathing
Speaker 2: exercises and so on and so forth, and it was
Speaker 2: able to get some control over it. The electric effects,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give you the most massive electric effects
Speaker 2: I ever caused. I've always had them. I've always, like
Speaker 2: I said, knocked things out here and there we went,
Speaker 2: or I went to so At one point there were
Speaker 2: a bunch of radioss that were all doing metal shows
Speaker 2: and such as the one I do after this, and
Speaker 2: I was friends with all the DJs. One of them
Speaker 2: was an Auburn and this particular day, I was so electric.
Speaker 2: Imagine an electrical like a static electric shock by a thousand.
Speaker 2: I would literally see electricity go between me and metal
Speaker 2: objects as I got too close to them, very painful,
Speaker 2: very loud, like a shotgun going off. And so I
Speaker 2: just was like, okay, I'm not going to touch anything
Speaker 2: I don't have to touch. So I went to see
Speaker 2: my friend who was doing a show at the Auburn
Speaker 2: College and I'm hanging out with him. And the first
Speaker 2: thing I say to him, because he was one of
Speaker 2: those people always wanted to shake your hand and that's fine,
Speaker 2: and I said to him, don't touch me, and he
Speaker 2: got to look at me where I'm like, no, seriously,
Speaker 2: you'll get the shock of your life. Don't touch me,
Speaker 2: just you know, nothing personal. And he's like okay. It
Speaker 2: was kind of a small air room, and at some
Speaker 2: point he went to walk by me and just brushed
Speaker 2: against me, and you heard the loudest like shotgun blast
Speaker 2: go off. And it threw him across the room really
Speaker 2: and he's laying there leaning against the far wall just
Speaker 2: with a look of shock on his face. And I
Speaker 2: was just kind of like, told, you don't touch me now,
Speaker 2: you understand. And that's never happened before or since. It
Speaker 2: was just this one day. It was so intense. After this,
Speaker 2: I went to another radio station at Seneca Falls, and
Speaker 2: in fact that the person who was there, Steve, does
Speaker 2: sometimes listen to this show. So I'm wondering if he's
Speaker 2: going to remember this because I never told him this
Speaker 2: whole part of it. So I'm sitting there talking to
Speaker 2: him and he was doing a normal shift that night
Speaker 2: instead of his metal show. And as we're talking, I
Speaker 2: grabbed the metal rack that has all the C players
Speaker 2: and stuff on it, just to kind of lean against it,
Speaker 2: not thinking about it. I didn't feel much, just kind
Speaker 2: of a little vibration, and all the power in the
Speaker 2: building went out, and I was kind of like, oops,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking that couldn't possibly have been me, you know,
Speaker 2: despite the amount of electricity I'm giving off. I can't
Speaker 2: believe I knocked the entire block went out wow, and
Speaker 2: didn't come back on. And one of the creepy things
Speaker 2: that happened. So we're sitting there and all the phones
Speaker 2: were office phones, so they were powered phones, so they
Speaker 2: were all dead. And we hear a phone ringing, and
Speaker 2: we're sitting there in the dark, going where's that phone?
Speaker 2: And we're going around the building trying to find it,
Speaker 2: and it's just really faint, and finally he goes into
Speaker 2: an office and he goes under a desk and pulls
Speaker 2: out a phone and the phone rings and he picks
Speaker 2: it up and it's just static and he hangs it
Speaker 2: back up. He's like, all right, I'm thoroughly creeped out.
Speaker 2: And eventually we just left because the power wasn't coming
Speaker 2: back on, and I asked him check see what they
Speaker 2: know They say the power went out for and apparently
Speaker 2: they said they don't know why the power went out,
Speaker 2: but a surge from somewhere on the block knocked the
Speaker 2: power out, you know. And it's one of those things
Speaker 2: where I have a hard time believing I generated enough
Speaker 2: electricity to knock an entire block out, but it happened
Speaker 2: the instant I touched this metal rack and I felt
Speaker 2: something as I touched it, and then there was nothing
Speaker 2: and without an explanation. If they had come back and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: one of her things burned out, Okay, then it wasn't me.
Speaker 2: But they're basically saying it came from a surge along
Speaker 2: the block that I was on. Never had it that
Speaker 2: powerful again. I mean, I've knocked street lights out. I've
Speaker 2: had a friend who anytime she has stayed over, all
Speaker 2: the electronics go crazy. My TV will turn on and off,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't happen if she's there, it happens if
Speaker 2: both of us are there. There's something about and she
Speaker 2: also has active Condellini, so there's something about that connection
Speaker 2: that has caused weird electrical effects as well, and including
Speaker 2: a very weird, uh, what's the word for it, hypnogogic
Speaker 2: experience I had for some reason, anytime she stayed over.
Speaker 2: I'd have a lot of hypnogogic experiences. Now, a hypnogogic
Speaker 2: experience is something that it's basically a dream state when
Speaker 2: you're waking up. So you wake up, but your brain
Speaker 2: is still somewhat asleep, so you may see something or
Speaker 2: hear something that's not actually there. And usually I'm pretty
Speaker 2: good at picking these out. One day I woke up
Speaker 2: for instance, and everything was shaded blue, and I was
Speaker 2: a little freaked out about it, and I got up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, why is everything shaded blue? And suddenly it
Speaker 2: was just normal again, and I'm like, that was probably hypnogogic.
Speaker 2: It was probably a dream state. Still not kick it out,
Speaker 2: because I can't imagine what else would cause a blue
Speaker 2: tint on everything. So there have been little ones here
Speaker 2: and there, but anytime she had stayed over, I would
Speaker 2: get these really intense hypnagogic states. And in this case,
Speaker 2: I heard a noise I can't possibly describe, kind of
Speaker 2: like a scream, just completely inhuman, following a loud thought,
Speaker 2: or right following it, a loud thud, and I jolted
Speaker 2: up right and I was like, what the hell was that?
Speaker 2: And the dog went crazy and I'm going, no, that
Speaker 2: was hypnogogic. Why is the dog going crazy? And I
Speaker 2: went out and I asked him, well, did anyone else
Speaker 2: hear or anything. They're like, no, I don't know why
Speaker 2: the dog's going crazy. So that was a weird hypnogogic thing,
Speaker 2: because usually hypnogogy is something I just dismiss. You know,
Speaker 2: it's your dream state kicking over into your waking state.
Speaker 2: It can happen the other way too. It's what a
Speaker 2: lot of people blame UFO abductions on. They say, well,
Speaker 2: it's hypnagogic. They're dreaming, but they're awake, and it doesn't
Speaker 2: really fit honestly, the abduction scenario. Aside from a few cases,
Speaker 2: I know of at least one person who has been
Speaker 2: in that exact state where he's had sleep paralysis and
Speaker 2: he's seen grays come in after him, and it may
Speaker 2: be hypnogogic. Sleep paralysis is another thing that's a little
Speaker 2: bit weird and hard to pin down. I've experienced that
Speaker 2: as well. I've literally had things drag me back into
Speaker 2: a dream state and I don't know if they're external
Speaker 2: things or internal things. They generally feel external, but in
Speaker 2: a dream state it's really hard to tell. But like
Speaker 2: where I've literally had a fight to wake up and realize,
Speaker 2: you know, in a very lucid state, I am asleep,
Speaker 2: need to wake up, and as I'm kind of fighting up,
Speaker 2: I'll feel something just grab me and pull.
Speaker 4: Me back down.
Speaker 2: And it's a very weird sensation, to say the least.
Speaker 2: It's generally one of those things you don't like to experience,
Speaker 2: but afterwards you're kind of like that was kind of interesting. So, yeah,
Speaker 2: the elect the electrical effects. The electrical effects can be
Speaker 2: pretty intense. My girlfriend who was who had it much
Speaker 2: worse than I did, would literally blow computers up, Like
Speaker 2: she almost set all the wiring above her computer at
Speaker 2: work on fire. Yeah, she had it, really had no
Speaker 2: control over whatsoever. If she got even the slightest bit emotional,
Speaker 2: things would just go really bad. And when you look
Speaker 2: at the Electric University, you look at what Wallace is
Speaker 2: saying with consciousness being electrical, there's something more I think.
Speaker 2: I think consciousness expands outwards in that respect. I was
Speaker 2: hoping to have Lewis Proud on at some point because
Speaker 2: he's done a lot of research into this, the phenomenon
Speaker 2: people being more electric and what electricity does to the body.
Speaker 2: But he's currently working on something else, I guess at
Speaker 2: the moment. So maybe eventually we'll have him on. He's
Speaker 2: a researcher out of Australia, I believe. So the other
Speaker 2: things with Kundomini, and one of the things that I
Speaker 2: found really fascinating about it is it can spread. So
Speaker 2: one of the things that can cause is laughter and
Speaker 2: it's the most bizarre laughter you'll ever experience, because nothing's funny,
Speaker 2: but you can't stop laughing. It's not like contagious laughter,
Speaker 2: where someone else is laughing and now you're laughing because
Speaker 2: you're in.
Speaker 4: A good mood.
Speaker 2: And it's a very odd sort of laughter. It's not
Speaker 2: unpleasant necessarily, but it's not connected to anything. It just
Speaker 2: hits you and suddenly you're laughing and you can't stop.
Speaker 2: And what I discovered is if I grab a hold
Speaker 2: of somebody, they start laughing too, really, and the same
Speaker 2: thing that nothing's funny. They're not laughing because I'm laughing,
Speaker 2: and as soon as I let go of them, they
Speaker 2: can stop. So the energy can actually move from one
Speaker 2: person to another, and it usually scares the hell out
Speaker 2: of people when you do that. If you go online,
Speaker 2: there are what are called laughing churches, and these are
Speaker 2: Christian churches who believe that who are basically using Kundelini,
Speaker 2: but they're calling it the Holy Spirit. They'll have someone
Speaker 2: who can channel it in, they start laughing, they grab
Speaker 2: a member of the congregation and they start spreading it
Speaker 2: across the church. That's interesting, and you know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: a lot of skeptics go, well, it's they're just thinking
Speaker 2: that they're feeling something. But having had these Kundelini experiences,
Speaker 2: I can tell you it's the same thing as Kondolini
Speaker 2: And as long as you're not scared of it, it's
Speaker 2: not unpleasant. The unpleasant part is not knowing what's going on.
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Speaker 2: So that's the type of thing that and like I said,
Speaker 2: I've met so many people who have experienced it as well.
Speaker 2: It seems there are certain people that the energy is
Speaker 2: more in tune with. There was someone I knew who
Speaker 2: All I had to do is put my fingers on
Speaker 2: the back of her neck and her whole spine would superheat.
Speaker 2: Not unpleasantly, but it was that simple of a movement
Speaker 2: that could do it. And it's very reactive to consciousness,
Speaker 2: so if you're talking about or feeling certain things, it
Speaker 2: can kick in the time we sat here. You came
Speaker 2: up to the studio and we were sitting in the
Speaker 2: other room talking about some of the interviews and stuff
Speaker 2: you had done. It started kicking in on me.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was sitting there and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: my spine started to hurt and it just started pulsing,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, now I need to get up
Speaker 2: and walk around a little bit, and then I could
Speaker 2: get it to go down, because now again I know
Speaker 2: how to diffuse it when it starts doing that. And
Speaker 2: I think it was just the subject matter we were talking
Speaker 2: about caused it to kick in for some reason.
Speaker 3: We talk about a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly so, but when you look at it,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of connections to the DMT stuff as well,
Speaker 2: but it's not necessarily the same thing. Do you have
Speaker 2: any questions, by the way.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, well why don't we go back for a second,
Speaker 3: and these people that you've met, are they also having
Speaker 3: spontaneous Kundelini awakenings?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, none of them have no even knew what Kundalini.
Speaker 3: Was, right, because traditionally you have the awakening through yoga
Speaker 3: or meditation or something called shock tepot, which is the
Speaker 3: spiritual transmission from a guru a teacher, right right. And
Speaker 3: also reportedly there's been awakenings through physical psychological trauma. But
Speaker 3: then there's this other group where it's just it just happens.
Speaker 3: It's spontaneous exactly.
Speaker 2: Like I did not have a traumatic childhood, so that
Speaker 2: that doesn't qualify. I do know someone who had it,
Speaker 2: who had a very traumatic childhood and had lots of
Speaker 2: paranormal experiences as well as spontaneous Kundalini. In fact, doctor
Speaker 2: Ring when he did his work on near death experiences
Speaker 2: and UFO abductees, found that that was a common factor
Speaker 2: that people who had these experiences also tended to have
Speaker 2: abuse in their childhood. Right, So something like seventy percent.
Speaker 3: And so if you're not doing the training, then as
Speaker 3: we said, there are risks involved.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, And like I said, additionally, I thought
Speaker 2: I was losing my mind because here I am hallucinating
Speaker 2: these weird hallucinations, and I knew I'm not seeing this.
Speaker 2: This is there's no smoke coming out of my trombone,
Speaker 2: you know, but there it is. I'm watching it happen,
Speaker 2: and it's a weird experience and I'm thinking about going crazy.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the moment when it happened?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: No, it's all pretty vague, and I don't think anything
Speaker 2: happened prior to that. And I didn't even connect it
Speaker 2: to that till later when I started reading about like
Speaker 2: the audio hallucinations, and it's like, wait, no, that's exactly
Speaker 2: what I was experiencing. And I still get them every
Speaker 2: once in a while, buzzing sounds like bees in the
Speaker 2: room or something like that, but it's not as frequent anymore.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting stuff.
Speaker 2: It is, and the fact that you can transfer to
Speaker 2: another person who knows nothing about it, to me is
Speaker 2: really interesting because it means it's not just in your head,
Speaker 2: because if it was just in your head, that wouldn't work, right,
Speaker 2: you know, the laughing church. As I said, I mean
Speaker 2: knowing having experienced this and knowing that if it hicks
Speaker 2: in and I start feeling and I grab someone. They're
Speaker 2: gonna start laughing too. That shouldn't happen if it's in
Speaker 2: your head, right.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean theoretically it's based in the spine and
Speaker 3: energy shoots through your nervous system, which right why the
Speaker 3: risk can be so great, But it would shoot through
Speaker 3: your whole body theoretically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And like I said, without knowing what chakras were,
Speaker 2: it gave me a lot of faith in the chakra
Speaker 2: system that this is where I was feeling that pain.
Speaker 2: And it's like, huh okay, well I didn't know about it,
Speaker 2: so it's not like my brain was putting it into
Speaker 2: that paradigm because I didn't have a paradigm for it.
Speaker 2: To me, it was just this awful thing that was happening,
Speaker 2: that was ruining my life. And it never happened in
Speaker 2: like I was always afraid I'd be in school and
Speaker 2: it would just hit me full force, and it never did.
Speaker 2: It always did it in times where I could deal
Speaker 2: with it, you know, like when I was home by myself,
Speaker 2: and if it did hit any other time, it was mild.
Speaker 2: So that's why I say I think it responds to
Speaker 2: consciousness to a degree. And you would think the fear
Speaker 2: of it kicking it off, Mike, kick it off, But
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh yeah, I did have the chat
Speaker 2: window open too, in case anyone wanted to hear it
Speaker 2: to ask any questions about it. And I encourage anyone
Speaker 2: who's having these experiences. I am more than willing to
Speaker 2: talk about them to people. I do not know how
Speaker 2: to wake kundolini up. I had someone ask me that
Speaker 2: last time, and my life goal was to control it,
Speaker 2: not wake it up. I would say go with condoleeni
Speaker 2: yoga in that case, in which case you're dealing with
Speaker 2: a very controlled system to wake it up mildly and
Speaker 2: slowly so you can deal with it, as opposed to me,
Speaker 2: who was pretty much set on fire. And the electrical
Speaker 2: effects i'm assuming are connected to condaleni. I can't say
Speaker 2: that for sure, but I know people who have had
Speaker 2: condolini also tend to have the electrical effects. I've met
Speaker 2: a few people who can affect electronics who don't seem
Speaker 2: to have any sign of it, so there might be
Speaker 2: it might be one thing triggering another. But since we
Speaker 2: don't know what causes the electrical effect, I mean, we're
Speaker 2: electrical creatures, period. I mean, any scientists will tell you
Speaker 2: there's electrical energy in the body. There just shouldn't be
Speaker 2: enough to knock a block of electricity out.
Speaker 3: Have you ever tried to seek out someone from particular
Speaker 3: faith who might have had similar experiences to give you
Speaker 3: an insight, like what, oh, like a guru or no.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 2: I mostly went to books and then experimented on my own.
Speaker 2: I've always been better with things that way. I've probably
Speaker 2: not a bad idea, but it's interesting because again, this
Speaker 2: formed how I view consciousness at that point, because it's
Speaker 2: hard to look at things as being very material when
Speaker 2: this type of stuff is happening to you. And of course,
Speaker 2: like I said, I went to doctor after doctor and
Speaker 2: had all kinds of tests done and there was nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with me. I was a picture of health, and
Speaker 2: it's like great, but I am in pain, very very
Speaker 2: intense pain. And that set off all the paranormal stuff too,
Speaker 2: And then I started delving into it and started investigating
Speaker 2: magic and things like that, which just intensified all my experiences.
Speaker 2: But the cundlini has always been there. It's always been
Speaker 2: underlying the experience, and most people have never heard of this.
Speaker 2: If they have, they've heard, you know, vague mentions of
Speaker 2: Kundelini yoga, but they don't know that it can wake
Speaker 2: up in such a negative way. Another person I knew
Speaker 2: I was working with this girl and I'm realizing she's
Speaker 2: complaining about things, and I'm going, that sounds like cundolini.
Speaker 2: But it was very mild, and so I sent her
Speaker 2: an article about it, and it freaked her out to
Speaker 2: no end. Instead of helping her, it scared her, and
Speaker 2: a short time later she broke up with her boyfriend
Speaker 2: and everything went away, and I was like, well, that's weird,
Speaker 2: And so I started talking to her boyfriend more and
Speaker 2: went it's him, it wasn't her. So while she was
Speaker 2: with him, he was it was she was picking it
Speaker 2: up and it was affecting her and he was dealing
Speaker 2: with it okay, So it didn't really obviously show in him.
Speaker 2: But the more I talked to him more, I was like,
Speaker 2: it's you. And so when she broke up with him,
Speaker 2: it was no longer close with him. It just went
Speaker 2: away in her. And I don't know if it was
Speaker 2: waking it up in her or she was getting residual
Speaker 2: energy from it. And I've seen that with people I
Speaker 2: know who I was close to where they'll start picking
Speaker 2: it up and they'll start having experiences, and then if
Speaker 2: I stay away from them for a while, it just stops.
Speaker 2: So it's hard to say if it's waking up in
Speaker 2: them and it goes back to sleep, or if it's
Speaker 2: just residual energy from me.
Speaker 6: Right, yeah, all right, yeah, And it's hard to find
Speaker 6: people who really are knowledgeable about this stuff.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm knowledgeable from my own experiences, and like
Speaker 2: I said, John White's book was excellent and that it
Speaker 2: had such a variety of experiences. It had n't remember
Speaker 2: the names. Now it's been a while, but people who
Speaker 2: almost died from it, they got so sick and were
Speaker 2: so ill for so long, and then it finally broke
Speaker 2: and they were able to deal with it and function properly.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a negative thing. I think it's
Speaker 2: something that helps you in the long term. It's just
Speaker 2: you need to know what it is to work with it.
Speaker 3: Right, because traditionally you have to prepare for this experience
Speaker 3: as opposed to just have it at shock value.
Speaker 2: And if you don't know that it's something that's helping you,
Speaker 2: it just feels like the most horrible thing in the world.
Speaker 2: You know, it's burning through a chakra because there's something
Speaker 2: there you need to deal with. You know, it's not
Speaker 2: punishing you. It's trying to open you up to something.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what connection the paranormal experiences I've
Speaker 2: had had to the Cundolini if they were just separate.
Speaker 2: I mean, I expect the CUNDLINI has affected everything throughout
Speaker 2: my life. But there's there's clear cut hallucinations and then
Speaker 2: there's other.
Speaker 3: Stuff well in your bad Theoretically, people may not know
Speaker 3: because if they've had this spontaneous event and you get
Speaker 3: this shock to your nervous system, I mean, it could
Speaker 3: bring an onset of perceived psychosis because you're having these hallucinations.
Speaker 2: Yep, exactly. Luckily it didn't go that way for me
Speaker 2: because I realized I went through, like I said, about
Speaker 2: a decade of not knowing what was happening to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, I learned to deal with it to some degree,
Speaker 2: but if the pain started to hit me, it would
Speaker 2: just like I need to lay down, I need to
Speaker 2: kind of arc my back in these weird positions until
Speaker 2: it finally stops. The you know, the uh I woke
Speaker 2: up a few years ago. It must have been ninety
Speaker 2: five out, and I have air conditioning. I like it
Speaker 2: very cold when I sleep, and I woke up shaking
Speaker 2: and shivering, and I felt like I had almost died,
Speaker 2: and I was. I went outside and I'm standing in
Speaker 2: direct sunlight and ninety five degree weather and I'm shaking,
Speaker 2: and I'm ice cold and internally ice cold, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like, all right, what is this all about? Why
Speaker 2: is this happening now? And eventually it just well stopped.
Speaker 4: And it was gone.
Speaker 2: That was extremely unpleasant, I can imagine, because you just
Speaker 2: and like I said, other people experience it from the
Speaker 2: cold realm all the time and they just can't get warm, right,
Speaker 2: you know, they can be it can be a hot,
Speaker 2: humid day and when it hits them, they just did.
Speaker 2: They're shivering, they're shaking, they're freezing. The epilepsy connection, I mean,
Speaker 2: I would never suggest that somebody has epilepsy has condolini,
Speaker 2: but if you have epilepsy and it's not quite matching up,
Speaker 2: maybe this is something you want to look into and
Speaker 2: see if it's something. You know, if you're taking medicine
Speaker 2: for epilepsy and it's not doing anything, it could be
Speaker 2: that it's not epilepsy, right, you know, depending on the
Speaker 2: degree of it. Because there's so many different types of
Speaker 2: epilepsy as well.
Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting to think that there might be a
Speaker 3: connection to the spiritual over the biology of the person
Speaker 3: that's causing these yeah effects.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it can cause because literally can cause convulsions and
Speaker 2: twitching and all kinds of stuff. Again, my ex girlfriend
Speaker 2: who had had a really bad cundalini, would literally start convulsing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it would get so bad she'd just be laying
Speaker 2: there and her whole body would start convulsing. She was
Speaker 2: by far the worst I'd ever seen of it. But
Speaker 2: I could pick stuff up if I just put my
Speaker 2: hand on her where it was hurting her boom, I
Speaker 2: could pick up information. Unfortunately, I couldn't give her that
Speaker 2: information because it was stuff she had to come to
Speaker 2: on her own. But it was like, oh, well, I
Speaker 2: can totally see why you're not dealing with this. I
Speaker 2: totally forgot what I was just going to say. There
Speaker 2: was another aspect of it. It's also very It's also
Speaker 2: considered sexual energy, so it can cause very very odd
Speaker 2: effects in sexual relations as well. And I think it
Speaker 2: was Crowley who actually talked about it being like the
Speaker 2: sexual force in man and the force of magic and
Speaker 2: man and such things like that. It's revered very highly
Speaker 2: in ancient occult circles. Again, not well known though.
Speaker 3: Right, because they're mostly mentioned in esoteric texts.
Speaker 2: Right. Sometimes I get references for and it's often visioned
Speaker 2: as a snake as a serpent. Yeah, that's pretty accurate
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways.
Speaker 4: You had something you want to ask, No.
Speaker 3: I mean how many? So, how many people have you
Speaker 3: met that you think have had these spontaneous awakenings?
Speaker 4: A few?
Speaker 3: Quite a few? They Does it depend on whether what
Speaker 3: kind of knowledge they have, whether aware of this or not.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I've never met anyone who was aware of it. Again,
Speaker 2: this is why I want to do this show, so
Speaker 2: people can have an awareness if they're experiencing these things,
Speaker 2: they can look into it and maybe get a handle
Speaker 2: on it. And if they want to contact me, I'm
Speaker 2: always willing to help people at least point them in
Speaker 2: the right direction information wise. The thing is a lot
Speaker 2: of people, it seemed to may have little bits of it.
Speaker 2: There was one person I'm friends with on Facebook and
Speaker 2: I'm seeing her write about stuff, and I'm going it
Speaker 2: really sounds like you have just mild forms of cundalini.
Speaker 2: And I know she would have no concept, no way
Speaker 2: of understanding that if I told her. Plus I don't
Speaker 2: really know her very well. So I was like, all right,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that's what's bothering you, but I have
Speaker 2: no way to express this.
Speaker 3: Well, why do you think there are different degrees?
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I don't know why it wakes
Speaker 2: up in the first place. I have no idea why
Speaker 2: it woke up in me. I mean I had no
Speaker 2: Like I said, there was no event that happened, no
Speaker 2: traumatic event or injury or emotional event that suddenly triggered.
Speaker 2: It's just it very slowly woke up, and then it
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 3: A firestorm, right, and then bad things, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Then really bad things for a while.
Speaker 3: Because I have noted here. So apparently the last known
Speaker 3: classical awakening was someone who had meditated three hours every
Speaker 3: morning for seventeen years.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So that's the kind of preparation that people go through.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately for others it is more. I was a surprise.
Speaker 5: Boo the uh.
Speaker 2: And I think honestly learning different occult practices helped as well,
Speaker 2: because that's also about being able to you know, you figure,
Speaker 2: magic in its purest form is getting to know yourself.
Speaker 3: So did you notice that you had more of an aptitude.
Speaker 2: For always of practices. Yeah, h that's what kind of
Speaker 2: drew me. I mean, like I said, I was raised
Speaker 2: in a very you know, my parents were very uh
Speaker 2: they were Christian by name only. I guess you could
Speaker 2: say they were not religious people like my father's a
Speaker 2: Christmas Easter Catholics. Yeah, they were, we know what, they
Speaker 2: were Protestant maybe you know, if pushed, they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're Christian, because that's what you're supposed to say.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: They never took me to church, so I had no
Speaker 2: real religious background. I was going somewhere with this. What
Speaker 2: were we talking.
Speaker 3: About right before magical aptitude?
Speaker 2: Magical aptitude? Yes, when I was a kid, and I
Speaker 2: don't know how old I was, I was really really young.
Speaker 2: It's one of the first things I remember. Our dog died,
Speaker 2: died in his sleep, and I had no brush with
Speaker 2: death at this point, so I had no idea what
Speaker 2: had happened to the dog. And my mother had explained
Speaker 2: death as if you know, close your eyes and ears
Speaker 2: and that's how you are forever well. To a little kid,
Speaker 2: that was the scariest thing I could possibly imagine, and
Speaker 2: shows you how they didn't really have that Christian view
Speaker 2: of oh way you go to heaven or you know,
Speaker 2: or anything like that. So that frightened the hell out
Speaker 2: of me, I'm sure, and it stuck with me through
Speaker 2: most of the time I was a kid. So I
Speaker 2: when I started looking at ideas of Wicca and things
Speaker 2: like that, those were like, no, no, those are bad.
Speaker 2: I can't I don't want to touch on that because
Speaker 2: it's just going to make things worse. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: until I met people who were involved in it and
Speaker 2: started opening up a little bit to it. When I was,
Speaker 2: you know, a teenager, was like, oh, okay, maybe this
Speaker 2: isn't what I thought it was. But I had, you know,
Speaker 2: that that's such a horrid fear of death through most
Speaker 2: of my childhood that that was kind of my paradigm
Speaker 2: of how I saw things. Ok There was almost a
Speaker 2: fear of God at times, you know, because I believed
Speaker 2: in God and had only that Christian you know, that
Speaker 2: vague Christian upbringing, and at a certain point it all
Speaker 2: just went away. I was able to toss it out
Speaker 2: the window and kind of go gung ho into other things.
Speaker 2: So I investigated Wick, I investigated LaVey, Anti LaVey's Satanism,
Speaker 2: and finally into Crowley stuff, which if anyone missed our
Speaker 2: shows on Crowley Satanism and Crawley Croley's work are completely
Speaker 2: different things. For that matter, Anti LaVey's Satanism is more
Speaker 2: of a sociological belief system rather than a religious system,
Speaker 2: which I like for the most part. He's about self
Speaker 2: responsibility and you know, you take response, take responsibility for
Speaker 2: your actions is one of the big you know things
Speaker 2: of it. You can do whatever you want, but you're
Speaker 2: responsible for the consequences. It's almost a libertarian way of
Speaker 2: looking at things. I didn't like the the the blowing
Speaker 2: up of the ego. You know, with Satanism, you're the
Speaker 2: most important thing because it's you. You know, you celebrate
Speaker 2: your birthday, you know, it's it's kind of a selfish
Speaker 2: sort of system, which never really clicked with me, But
Speaker 2: I liked the other aspects of it. And it has
Speaker 2: nothing to do with an actual, real Satan. It has
Speaker 2: to do with the concept of Satan as the opposer
Speaker 2: of the mainstream view of things because technically, Satan means
Speaker 2: the opposer, and he just named it that. LaVey started
Speaker 2: Satanism because he was a cop in San Francisco, I
Speaker 2: believe it was. And he would see these very religious
Speaker 2: people commit these horrible crimes, absolutely horrendous crimes during the week,
Speaker 2: and then Sunday they'd go to church and get forgiven,
Speaker 2: and he did. The hypocrisy of it just drove him insane,
Speaker 2: and so he started the Church of Satan, which was
Speaker 2: more of a pure look, if you're going to do it,
Speaker 2: do it, but take responsibility for it. You don't get
Speaker 2: absolved from it.
Speaker 3: I did not know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely the Satantic Bible is worth a read.
Speaker 2: The sociological principles in it are very interesting and would
Speaker 2: probably work for most people if you took the stigma
Speaker 2: of Satan out of it, they'd be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this makes sense the thing you say, yeah, it's Church
Speaker 2: of Satan. And then they're like, oh no, this is
Speaker 2: bad because our culture has been so ingrained that way.
Speaker 2: But that's part of what he wanted, you know, kind
Speaker 2: of shake things up, and he did.
Speaker 3: So, what was the increase in the aptitude, Like, did
Speaker 3: you have a comparison to other people who were practicing
Speaker 3: the same thing.
Speaker 2: Things just worked for me, okay, And how basically is
Speaker 2: what it was. I would do something and get a response,
Speaker 2: and it was like, Okay, I wasn't expecting a response.
Speaker 2: I didn't think any of this stuff was gonna work.
Speaker 2: Like one of the creepiest I think. I told this
Speaker 2: this on the Grallian too when I was on it.
Speaker 2: One of the creepiest things that ever happened. I went
Speaker 2: outside to do a ritual, and most times when I
Speaker 2: did rituals, they were for trying to understand where I
Speaker 2: was supposed to be going with something, you know, some
Speaker 2: sort of enlightenment to it. And I'm out. I have
Speaker 2: a very big yard and one of the barns in
Speaker 2: the yard kind of looks like the top of the
Speaker 2: Amityville House, you know, two eyes, kind of a curved roof,
Speaker 2: so it looks like an evil face. And the place
Speaker 2: has always creeped me out. And I'm not creeped out
Speaker 2: very easily, but that barn has always creeped me out.
Speaker 2: And so I'm standing a distance away from it, and
Speaker 2: I go through this whole rituale At the end of
Speaker 2: the ritual, I tap the staff I have three times
Speaker 2: on the ground and from that barn in the exact pattern.
Speaker 2: I just tapped the staff on the ground, I hear knock, knock, knock,
Speaker 2: and I just went ice cold, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: come on, why that barn. And the thing is, I
Speaker 2: didn't make any noise when I tapped the staff computely
Speaker 2: pitch darkness, tapped it three times in the grass, and
Speaker 2: then a loud knock from the barn, and I just went, oh,
Speaker 2: come on, and then realize you want me to walk
Speaker 2: by that barn, now, don't you.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 2: One of the things I've always felt that some of
Speaker 2: the negative experiences try to teach you is how to
Speaker 2: overcome fear. So here i am just chilled, literally chilled
Speaker 2: with fear, and I'm going, I know nothing's there, you know,
Speaker 2: i know whatever created that knock did it just to
Speaker 2: scare me. Now I'm going to walk slowly right by
Speaker 2: that barn. And it makes a lot of self control.
Speaker 2: You almost have to separate from yourself because your body's gone,
Speaker 2: I'm not doing that, and you're like, okay, and then
Speaker 2: you just do it anyway.
Speaker 3: Have that fight or flight response right.
Speaker 2: Right, and it's it's almost a matter of defeating that
Speaker 2: fight or flight response, and most of the time I
Speaker 2: have an analyzed response, which I'm guessing is not always
Speaker 2: a good good thing. If something's rushing at you and
Speaker 2: you go, I wonder what that is yet, and then
Speaker 2: it hits you, Oh, okay, maybe I should have ducked
Speaker 2: on that one.
Speaker 3: So it affects your reflexes.
Speaker 2: There's a graveyard over here, University graveyard, and if you've
Speaker 2: ever spent any time in it, it's a very old graveyard.
Speaker 2: I've had so many strange experiences in this graveyard. And
Speaker 2: there's one point in the graveyard that you've on certain
Speaker 2: days you will feel such oppression. It's almost unreal, like
Speaker 2: you just have the feeling that whatever is there wants
Speaker 2: you out. And I have used that, and I've used
Speaker 2: that showing other people how to overcome fear, because that's
Speaker 2: exactly where you walk through. And if you can do it,
Speaker 2: I mean, it feels empowering if you can do it.
Speaker 2: Some people simply can't do it, you know, they get
Speaker 2: up to it and they're like nope, because it's a
Speaker 2: palpable feeling of oppression. Right, But if you can sit
Speaker 2: there and walk through that area. It tends to dissipate
Speaker 2: if you do it. It's kind of interesting and where someone
Speaker 2: might say, well, there's something there that really doesn't want
Speaker 2: you there, I would say it's a gift. It's giving
Speaker 2: you this sense because it's giving you an opportunity to
Speaker 2: overcome it that you don't normally have granted. Walking through it,
Speaker 2: you expect something to drop on you at any time.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, what's going to fall out of the
Speaker 2: tree on my back? So this is what you know,
Speaker 2: and having these Kundalini experiences is one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily look at negative experiences as being bad experiences.
Speaker 2: I've never walked, you know. When someone says, oh, I
Speaker 2: have these horrible abduction experiences that have aliens, I think, well,
Speaker 2: maybe they're not as horrible as you think. Maybe if
Speaker 2: you didn't, if you overcame the fear of them, they
Speaker 2: would transcend to something else. And you do find that happening.
Speaker 2: Whitley Streemer, when he first had his experiences, they were
Speaker 2: horrible experiences, you know, I mean he essentially was raped,
Speaker 2: and over time he came to you know. The reason
Speaker 2: he named his book Communion is because he started to
Speaker 2: have this communion with them, this connection with them where
Speaker 2: he could you know, he was no longer afraid of them,
Speaker 2: and he seemed to be gaining something from contact with them.
Speaker 2: But I think fear is the fear is the key.
Speaker 2: Fear's the thing that kills everything. If you're afraid, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a negative experience.
Speaker 3: Right, almost predetermined. Yes, you are already afraid.
Speaker 2: The same if you have in Iowa. If you go
Speaker 2: into ayahuasca or DMT experience with fear, it's going to
Speaker 2: be a negative experience, especially ayahuasca, which can be so
Speaker 2: affected by the area you're in, you know, the mindset
Speaker 2: you're in, Like any acid trip. Really, Yeah, I'm sure
Speaker 2: there are plenty of people listening who have had bad trips,
Speaker 2: and I guarantee you there was some element of fear
Speaker 2: that started it off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's hard to get rid of.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, if you're afraid, you're afraid, it's not you know.
Speaker 2: That's why I say some of these experiences allowed me
Speaker 2: to kind of disconnect, learn how to disconnect and just
Speaker 2: do it. Even for something like we had gone to
Speaker 2: Darien Lake one year and they have the skydive thing
Speaker 2: where they pick you way up in the air and
Speaker 2: you're looking down and you know it's safe, but your
Speaker 2: body's going you're not pushing that button, and you just
Speaker 2: kind of disconnect and push the button. You know, it's
Speaker 2: very easy once you know how to do it, and I.
Speaker 3: Think that probably factors into a lot of people's paranormal encounters. Yes,
Speaker 3: if you have the fear, you're going to have a
Speaker 3: negative encounter or experience.
Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely. And I had one of the really weird
Speaker 2: ones that plagued me for a while. Anytime I went outside,
Speaker 2: it would be dead silent, and if I tried to
Speaker 2: walk around, it would sound like something was following me.
Speaker 2: There were no insects, there were no birds, sounds, it
Speaker 2: was only at night. Nothing. If I was with other people,
Speaker 2: normal sounds. If I was by myself, dead silence, like
Speaker 2: creepy silence. And this went on for months, Like someone
Speaker 2: would drop me off, come into my house, I'd go
Speaker 2: outside with you know, perfect noise. They would leave and
Speaker 2: all the sounds would just stop and I could walk
Speaker 2: around my yard and it would sound like something and
Speaker 2: it would freak me out to the point where I
Speaker 2: didn't want to go outside at night, Like I did,
Speaker 2: but I didn't. And finally one day, I said, that's it.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna go out and I'm gonna sit there
Speaker 2: until it stops. And I went outside and I sat
Speaker 2: there and everything was dead quiet, and I just waited,
Speaker 2: and after about half an hour, the sounds just came
Speaker 2: rushing back in and everything was normal. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: was that just another overcome your fear and just deal
Speaker 2: with this. I mean, nothing ever, I'd never saw anything,
Speaker 2: nothing ever attacked me. And the only thing I could
Speaker 2: make of it was this was a matter of overcoming
Speaker 2: fear because it gave you that that sort of chilled
Speaker 2: sensation like something was you know, you had that fight
Speaker 2: or flight sort of response because it felt like something
Speaker 2: was right there, right about the pounce on you, and
Speaker 2: there was just nothing there.
Speaker 3: So if there are people listening who might feel something
Speaker 3: like connection to this kind of experience, what advice would
Speaker 3: you give them?
Speaker 2: Depends what they're experiencing, But I would say, don't be
Speaker 2: afraid of it. I mean, because it is fear that
Speaker 2: triggers the worst experiences. But it, you know, depending on
Speaker 2: what they're if they're blowing up computers and that's their
Speaker 2: only symptom. There's meditation techniques to kind of balance out
Speaker 2: your energy. Meditation generally works with a lot of stuff,
Speaker 2: you know. I mean, meditation is never a bad thing.
Speaker 3: Sure, many posts.
Speaker 2: So, but if people, like I said, if people want
Speaker 2: to contact me, go to the website emails on there.
Speaker 2: You can contact me, ask questions. I'll do my best
Speaker 2: to help people out or at least point them in
Speaker 2: the right direction.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That's the first time I've ever talked about a lot
Speaker 2: of that stuff. So that was not an easy bit
Speaker 2: for me to do here on this show. But I
Speaker 2: think it's important and I want to see how it
Speaker 2: relates to to the work Stressman's done with DMT, because
Speaker 2: in reading through some of those DMT experiences, I think
Speaker 2: to myself, I've had some of these experiences, but I
Speaker 2: never connected it to DMT.
Speaker 3: Well, in his second book he connects it to connects
Speaker 3: it to the prophecies of the old Customer.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, and so.
Speaker 3: Theoretically, I mean, if you're having a mystical experience, he
Speaker 3: could call that a DMP trip. If we're talking about
Speaker 3: before this kind of snake and this energy going up
Speaker 3: your spine to the base of your skull, that could
Speaker 3: be that explosion of energy and your nervous system could
Speaker 3: release that.
Speaker 2: That's true. That's true. I've also had one of the
Speaker 2: strangest experiences I've ever had. I had walked outside to
Speaker 2: the back of my house. Now, in the back area
Speaker 2: of my house, it is pitch black, so you can
Speaker 2: look up see the milky Way clear as day. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's no light and it's awesome. And I would walk
Speaker 2: out there all the time. And I walked out one
Speaker 2: day and occasionally weird things would happen. And I walked
Speaker 2: out one day and I noticed. The first thing I
Speaker 2: noticed is there was a light in the field behind
Speaker 2: the house. Now there's no lights to this day, there's
Speaker 2: no lights in that field. And it was kind of
Speaker 2: dim but very distinct, and it would kind of go
Speaker 2: on and off, like I think it was about a
Speaker 2: seven second cycle. And initially I didn't think much of it.
Speaker 2: Felt great, felt perfectly normal, full moon out. I look
Speaker 2: up and I watched the moon kind of go behind
Speaker 2: the clouds just a little bit, and then the moon
Speaker 2: pops through the clouds and starts shaking, and I went,
Speaker 2: that's one hell of an optical illusion. And I kind
Speaker 2: of looked down and kind of shook, you know, tried
Speaker 2: to shake it off and look back up. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: behind the clouds again, and then it pop through the
Speaker 2: clouds and start shaking again, and I'm going, all right,
Speaker 2: what optical illusion can cause that to happen? And then
Speaker 2: I got it, And this has happened to me before,
Speaker 2: and I know other people it's happened to. A flash
Speaker 2: of light lights up the entire landscape, almost like someone
Speaker 2: took a picture. It's like everything's lit up, and then
Speaker 2: it just kind of decays. And I went, Okay, we're
Speaker 2: doing this great. And every time I look at the
Speaker 2: moon it does that same thing. And then I start
Speaker 2: paying attention to that light and I'm like, what is
Speaker 2: that light? And I'm noticing that if I look at
Speaker 2: the light, it'll continue its cycle until it goes off,
Speaker 2: and then it won't come back on till I look away.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, now it's getting weird. Not
Speaker 2: that the other stuff wasn't weird, but at the time
Speaker 2: I had no way to comprehend all these experiences. I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 2: I've never done drugs. I don't drink, so I wasn't
Speaker 2: in an impaired state of mind in any way. In fact,
Speaker 2: I was in a very clear state of mind, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean I wasn't experiencing some level of DMT.
Speaker 2: It also that light could have been some kind of
Speaker 2: electrical activity from the Earth, you know, some kind of
Speaker 2: plasma formation or something like that that was in turn
Speaker 2: affecting me and affecting the way I was seeing reality
Speaker 2: around me, the same with the flashes of light I
Speaker 2: was experiencing. And it took me so like, I just
Speaker 2: pretty much wrote down that experience and when I have
Speaker 2: no idea what to make of this. It wasn't a
Speaker 2: negative experience, but damn was it weird. And it wasn't
Speaker 2: til years later when I discovered Paul Devereux's work where
Speaker 2: he had the earthlight theories of UFOs and shows how
Speaker 2: tend to manifest around fault lines, and it's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so maybe it was an energy thing. And then when
Speaker 2: I got to Strassman's work, it was like, maybe it
Speaker 2: was a DMT experience, very mild one, triggered maybe by
Speaker 2: Earth energy, which is one of the things I wonder
Speaker 2: about UFOs, if that Earth energy might be triggering DMT
Speaker 2: in us When we have that DMT triggered, then we're
Speaker 2: having the abduction experience because now we're open to it.
Speaker 3: The last recorded case, I mean, when someone has a
Speaker 3: spiritual awakening or at least reaches that stage with some background,
Speaker 3: they can look at themselves inwardly and go into a
Speaker 3: state of bliss great which I mean that. I mean
Speaker 3: if you have control over that, and then pretty great.
Speaker 2: And in a sense, that's that's the goal of like
Speaker 2: what Aleister Crowley was trying to do, right, you know
Speaker 2: that that style of magic is meant to know yourself,
Speaker 2: to get as he put it, conversation with the Holy
Speaker 2: and Guardian Angel, holy Guardian Angel, which was your higher self.
Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I was following. So I
Speaker 2: had all these things sort of running at the same time,
Speaker 2: and then would just have these bizarre experiences mixed in
Speaker 2: where I was like, what am I supposed to learn
Speaker 2: from that? You know, I never took it as something's
Speaker 2: attacking me. I never took it as.
Speaker 4: Random.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, what was this meant to teach me?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And that and with the light in the field took
Speaker 2: me a long time.
Speaker 3: As you're looking at it constructively.
Speaker 2: True and it was just like, this is ridiculous. This
Speaker 2: is the weird you know, of all the weird things
Speaker 2: that have happened, this is by far the weirdest, because
Speaker 2: that light was interacting with me on a conscious level,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, why didn't I walk back into that
Speaker 2: field to see what the No, I know why I
Speaker 2: didn't walk back into that There's a level even I'm
Speaker 2: not going to be able to get over at that
Speaker 2: point because I had no idea how far back it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a bright light, but it was distinctly in
Speaker 2: that field, and it was impossible to ignore the flashes
Speaker 2: of light. Other people have experienced. I know people who
Speaker 2: have had no other paranormal experience, but they've seen those
Speaker 2: flashes of light like someone's taking a picture of them.
Speaker 2: John Keel even mentions it in one of his books
Speaker 2: that he would have that experience every time he moved,
Speaker 2: and he's like, it never happened any other time, but
Speaker 2: he would be moving, he would be like about to
Speaker 2: leave his place, and he'd get that weird flash of light.
Speaker 2: So it's a very odd sort of component. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's distinct, Like I said, I mean, everything lights up.
Speaker 2: You can visibly see everything around you, and then it
Speaker 2: just fades back down like like a camera flash with
Speaker 2: that break poof and then so all right, well we're
Speaker 2: almost out of time somehow. Anything else that you were curious.
Speaker 3: About, Ah, well, it seems like a very complex situation. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's it's hard to navigate through something that is spontaneous
Speaker 3: if you have no background.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again that's why I wanted to do this.
Speaker 2: I wanted to give people that you know, if you're
Speaker 2: experiencing these things, this might be what you're what you're experiencing,
Speaker 2: even if it's not horrible, even if you're getting a
Speaker 2: few of these little things, it might be that you
Speaker 2: have some Kundalini waking.
Speaker 3: Up, which again is a good thing.
Speaker 2: Yes, in the end, it's a good thing. It's it's
Speaker 2: the not knowing what it is or how to deal
Speaker 2: with it that was the bad thing. Really really, like
Speaker 2: I said, it pretty much ruined my life. Not that
Speaker 2: I'm unhappy where my life has ended up, but at
Speaker 2: the time I was particularly happy with it. So well,
Speaker 2: I thank you for sitting in with me on this one,
Speaker 2: because that was that was hard for.
Speaker 4: Me to do.
Speaker 3: I'm always willing to absorb.
Speaker 4: And next week.
Speaker 2: Next Week is a pre record that we did with
Speaker 2: As I said, Alta and Chad Dillard.
Speaker 3: Who also have a lot of weird experiences.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't say anything that implied that there was
Speaker 2: Kundolini going on.
Speaker 3: They were very blase about it.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, well I think they got to the point
Speaker 2: where they realized, oh knows what this.
Speaker 3: Is, you know, just kind of give up and say
Speaker 3: it happens so And.
Speaker 2: You know, I've I've touched on a couple of experiences here,
Speaker 2: but I've had a lifetime of these weird type of
Speaker 2: things happening that don't necessarily like theirs, aren't related to
Speaker 2: one another necessarily, like one of the ones. I am
Speaker 2: working on a book about all this. I have no
Speaker 2: idea what it's going to be done, because I took
Speaker 2: a lot of notes about a lot of stuff, and
Speaker 2: it's taken me a long time to get through it.
Speaker 2: When I pulled into my drive this is the saying
Speaker 2: I totally forgot about it. I pulled into my driveway
Speaker 2: one day and it's a long driveway, and as I'm
Speaker 2: driving down the driveway, I see a ball of light
Speaker 2: just kind of ignite on one side, almost like a
Speaker 2: bunch of sparklers put together and it rolls across the
Speaker 2: driveway and it gets to the other side and it
Speaker 2: just goes out. And I said, okay, great, and then
Speaker 2: I parked and I went over there and there's nothing there.
Speaker 2: And I went house, you know, because these things happen,
Speaker 2: and it's you know, I don't know that there was
Speaker 2: really anything to learn from it other than these things happened,
Speaker 2: not connected. Nothing like that ever happened.
Speaker 4: Again.
Speaker 2: I had a and this was a weird one. I
Speaker 2: had a Batha Ma necklace. Now, Bethame is the symbol
Speaker 2: you find on the Church of Satan's or the it's
Speaker 2: the Church of satan symbol. It's the upside down pentagram
Speaker 2: with the goat in it. And this was when I
Speaker 2: was very much into the Ante LaVey's work, and I
Speaker 2: liked the symbolism of bath Mate. It was also the
Speaker 2: sign of the Knight's templar. One of the reasons it
Speaker 2: was vilified is because the church went against you know,
Speaker 2: took down the Knight's templar. And it's a symbol of
Speaker 2: earthly power and dominion and things like that. But it's
Speaker 2: basically a power symbol. And I had this necklace for
Speaker 2: a long time. And one day I got home from
Speaker 2: work and I got out of the car and it
Speaker 2: fell off, and I went, ah, damn, the chain broke
Speaker 2: and I picked it up, and the chain wasn't broken.
Speaker 2: So the necklace without breaking the chain fell off, which
Speaker 2: is entirely impossible. Yeah, it didn't, you know, like it
Speaker 2: didn't come over my head. It actually didn't fit over
Speaker 2: my head. I had to latchet, so it just fell
Speaker 2: straight down in my shirt and landed on my foot,
Speaker 2: and I was assumed the chain broke and picked it
Speaker 2: up and the chain still whole, and I went, so
Speaker 2: I'm not supposed to wear this anymore. Apparently that's done.
Speaker 2: It's like, I guess I'll just hang that from the
Speaker 2: mirror of the car and we're done, all right. So
Speaker 2: when things like that happened, I mean, what do you
Speaker 2: make of it? What does it mean about reality when
Speaker 2: something like that happens.
Speaker 3: As long as you're willing to cope.
Speaker 2: With in them, it's true, true, And I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: people out there going because it was an evil symbol,
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 4: But I didn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't an evil symbol to me. If anything, it
Speaker 2: was a protective symbol to me, and I actually hung
Speaker 2: it from the car miror and a friend of mine
Speaker 2: had pointed out I took it down from the car
Speaker 2: mirror because I always said, oh, I protect the car now,
Speaker 2: and I took it down off the car mirror for
Speaker 2: some reason. And like within the week the car got
Speaker 2: totaled and I didn't even think about it. And she's going,
Speaker 2: you took that off the mirror, and I'm going, what
Speaker 2: I did take that off the mirror? So all right, well,
Speaker 2: thank you again, Luke, no problem, and our next live
Speaker 2: interview would be in two weeks with I cannot remember
Speaker 2: his name and I feel really bad about it, Michael Hughes.
Speaker 2: And my computer is frozen. Thank you computer. All right,
Speaker 2: go to Where to the Roadgo dot com and you
Speaker 2: can find out about that. And as I said, I
Speaker 2: also have the interview. Oh now you're gonna work, okay. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so we got Alter and Chad next week. There's actually
Speaker 2: three parts of that interview that we did because they
Speaker 2: had so much stuff, and I'm sure they had even more.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Michael m Hughes and he actually lives in Baltimore,
Speaker 2: so he didn't get back to me for a while,
Speaker 2: and I was like, huh, he seemed really into coming
Speaker 2: on the show. And then he gets back to me
Speaker 2: He's like, Okay, riots had to be a little a
Speaker 2: little busy, and uh, sorry for the delay. And I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But I had
Speaker 2: heard him on Coast to Coast and he was absolutely fantastic,
Speaker 2: And I think you're gonna really be interested in the
Speaker 2: stuff he's going to talk about. Sure, so all right,
Speaker 2: where the roadgo? Dot com of course is the website.
Speaker 2: And this is some psyche corporation. And I know, apparently
Speaker 2: I don't say that very clear, and I've had a
Speaker 2: number of people ask me what I'm saying. Psyche is
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Speaker 2: when I try to think about it too hard. It
Speaker 2: is not on my screen. Yes, y h, thank you.
Speaker 2: I thought too hard about it and then I couldn't
Speaker 2: get it.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is why I'm here.
Speaker 2: Corporate, thank you so much. Corporation and Psyche Corporation. Dot
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