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<v Speaker 1>A Cast Classics. Carrie Jade Does Not Exist is a

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<v Speaker 1>story of how one woman who took on over six

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<v Speaker 1>different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied

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<v Speaker 1>her way into gaining their trust.

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<v Speaker 2>It's almost like she has his rare gift of being

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<v Speaker 2>able to ascertain the exact.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopes and dreams of a community.

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<v Speaker 1>She offers them exactly that and then just bails. This

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<v Speaker 1>series tells a story of how Carrie Jade build up

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<v Speaker 1>a picture perfect persona until she finally got tindled up

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<v Speaker 1>in her own web of lives. Find out more about

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<v Speaker 1>Carrie j Does Not Exist at acast dot Com Forward

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<v Speaker 1>Slash Classics.

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<v Speaker 4>The opinions expressed by the host and guests on Where

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<v Speaker 4>did the Road Go are their own and not necessarily

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<v Speaker 4>those of WVBR or its management. This is where did

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<v Speaker 4>the Road Go? Our aim is to explore the fringe

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<v Speaker 4>to be true, skeptics in question openly, to investigate the paranormal,

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<v Speaker 4>bring light to the dark corners of history, and give

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<v Speaker 4>a voice to the shun of science. We deal in

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<v Speaker 4>mystery and the important questions that these subjects bring to light.

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<v Speaker 4>What is reality? Who are we? And why are we?

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<v Speaker 5>Here. Join us on the web at where Didthroad goo

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<v Speaker 5>dot com for a full show archive, links to all

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<v Speaker 5>our social media, upcoming schedule, and much much more. Now

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<v Speaker 5>join your host Soriyah on this week's edition of Where

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<v Speaker 5>Did the Road Go?

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<v Speaker 2>And Welcome to the show. I am joined again by

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<v Speaker 2>my co host Luke Hey. Good to be here, and

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<v Speaker 2>tonight it's going to be a very different show because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have an actual guest, so I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 2>going to be the guest in a sense tonight, and

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to see if this turns into an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>debacle or not. Because I'm not used to talking about

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<v Speaker 2>things relating to myself and this type of subject matter.

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<v Speaker 2>I did put up the John Anthony West Interview if

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in that. That is both the video and

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<v Speaker 2>as an audio podcast if anyone wants to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's John Anthony West and Lard Scranton, and Laird drops

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<v Speaker 2>some big bombshells about his work near the end of it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you get to see John's Egyptian Pharaoh dog, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a really awesome dog, and it's nothing more appropriate

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<v Speaker 2>than he would have an Egyptian Pharaoh dog. Thing just

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<v Speaker 2>floats when it runs.

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<v Speaker 4>It was weird.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's up on the website and on the YouTube

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<v Speaker 2>page Where Did the Roadgo dot com. Obviously, if you

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<v Speaker 2>have any questions tonight as we're talking, you're listening live

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<v Speaker 2>on WVBR, come into the chat which is right on

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<v Speaker 2>the website. One of the things I did want to

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<v Speaker 2>address briefly was the Roswell slides. I don't know if

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<v Speaker 2>you've been following this whole thing, so for over a

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<v Speaker 2>year now, there have been these researchers saying that they

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<v Speaker 2>had proof of Roswell's aliens and there were these slides

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<v Speaker 2>that were dated legitimately back to the time period in

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<v Speaker 2>the same area. And on Tuesday, I think it was,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a big conference and they finally revealed the slides,

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<v Speaker 2>much to everyone's disappointment. And what it looks like. And

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<v Speaker 2>Nick Redfern has done a great job of tracking this down.

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<v Speaker 2>It looks like it was a mummified body in a

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<v Speaker 2>museum in New Mexico. He did an amazing amount of work.

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<v Speaker 2>I posted it to the Facebook of Where Did the

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<v Speaker 2>Road Go? And the jury still out isn't exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>it's a mummified of. It was listed apparently at the

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<v Speaker 2>museum as an alien body, but it may have very

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<v Speaker 2>well been a child. Looking at the one slide that

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<v Speaker 2>was officially released, you can kind of tell it's in

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<v Speaker 2>a museum display. So I don't know what happened. They're

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<v Speaker 2>pretty good researchers that have put it out, and it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of blew up and people are flipping out

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<v Speaker 2>about it. We do have coming up in June Richard

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<v Speaker 2>dolan On and Richard was one of the people who

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<v Speaker 2>was at that conference and has somewhat been defending it,

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<v Speaker 2>saying that he doesn't necessarily get behind it, but he's

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<v Speaker 2>still leaving it open as to what the body actually was.

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<v Speaker 2>It's pretty clear, however, it was not a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>a military organization with a dead body from Roswell, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think that might have been a misunderstanding somewhere along

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<v Speaker 2>the line where they came. They realized these slides were

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<v Speaker 2>from that area in that time period, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>got tagged on with the Roswell slides. I think at

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<v Speaker 2>some point I did hear the researchers saying, yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is not necessarily from Roswell. So that was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>the big big thing this week. There were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of problems with the feed as they broadcast live from

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was Mexico City and people couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>it in, and then finally when they did get it in,

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<v Speaker 2>they showed these slides and people were like, that was it.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah. Michah Hanks also did a pretty good article

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<v Speaker 2>on it, covering all sides of it, which I don't

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<v Speaker 2>remember exactly. Good of Micah's Facebook page, it's on there

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<v Speaker 2>if you're not too hard to find. Michael Hanks spelled

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<v Speaker 2>like it sounds, and of course he's been on the

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<v Speaker 2>show a million times. Upcoming, we're gonna air next week

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<v Speaker 2>the second part of the interview we did with Alta

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<v Speaker 2>and Chad Dillard out of three parts because that was

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<v Speaker 2>a long one. And the week after that we have

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<v Speaker 2>Michael m Hughes. And Michael has written a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>fictional books, but his nonfiction work deals with supernatural, deals

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<v Speaker 2>with shamanism, it deals with UFOs, it does with the paranormal.

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<v Speaker 2>He's all across the board. He's fascinating about it, very

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<v Speaker 2>down to earth about it. So he'll be other twenty

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<v Speaker 2>third after that, we're going to be talking to Rick

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<v Speaker 2>Strassman actually Monday, and that may end up being a

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<v Speaker 2>two part interview, one on his initial work and one

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<v Speaker 2>on the new book, which is really kind of mind

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<v Speaker 2>boggling where he takes the concept of prophecy in the

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<v Speaker 2>old test them and shows how it may have been

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<v Speaker 2>DMPT related.

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<v Speaker 3>It's interesting stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And we'll also be talking to Artie six Killer, who

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<v Speaker 2>has written a book called Skypeople where she goes down

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<v Speaker 2>and talks to the Maya people about their modern UFO

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<v Speaker 2>experiences and also connects it to some of the older

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<v Speaker 2>experiences in the area. And I'm trying to think who

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<v Speaker 2>else we have coming up. I got a ton more

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<v Speaker 2>interviews coming up, almost more than we can handle as

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<v Speaker 2>far as scheduling goes. So the next part with Mike

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't have set dates on anything but the

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<v Speaker 2>few that are on the web page right now, so

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<v Speaker 2>you can always go to Where the Road Go dot

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<v Speaker 2>com and find out what's coming up in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So, one of the things I wanted to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up, and I've been looking for a guest who

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<v Speaker 2>knew more about this than I do, and I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been able to find one. Most people have heard of

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<v Speaker 2>Kundalini yoga. Most people probably do not realize that Kundalini

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<v Speaker 2>can wake up in people completely spontaneously, very unpleasant, and

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<v Speaker 2>technically it can kill people. And this to me has

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<v Speaker 2>always been fascinating. I experienced this when I was twelve

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<v Speaker 2>years old, and it started off very, very mildly. Whereas

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<v Speaker 2>my background, as far as religion and all that was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a I don't know, bare bones Christian, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>my parents were Christian just because they were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be Christian. They didn't go to church, they didn't really

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<v Speaker 2>practice religion or anything like that. So I was not

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<v Speaker 2>exposed to anything Eastern in any way. And I started

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<v Speaker 2>having very mild hallucinations. And those hallucinations were things. For instance,

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<v Speaker 2>I played trombone, and as I played trombone, I would

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<v Speaker 2>see steam coming out of the end of it, and

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<v Speaker 2>I knew logically that wasn't happening, but I could watch

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<v Speaker 2>it happen as I was playing, and I would bring

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<v Speaker 2>my mother in and she would sit there and it

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't do it, and then she'd leave the room and

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<v Speaker 2>steam would come out of the trombone. I legitimately thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was going crazy. I would try to go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and as I started to lay down to go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd hear cans rattling outside my window. There were no

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<v Speaker 2>cans outside my window, and just little things like that

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<v Speaker 2>initially is how it started, and they were just I'd

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<v Speaker 2>sit there and be like, what is wrong with me?

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<v Speaker 2>I know these things aren't real, but there they are.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't ignore them. And eventually, over the years it

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<v Speaker 2>translated into an very intense pain. This was the main

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<v Speaker 2>symptom of it, around my tailbone, around my stomach, to

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<v Speaker 2>the point where I went to doctor after doctor because

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<v Speaker 2>I was in such intense pain and there was nothing

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<v Speaker 2>physically wrong with me, so I had no way of

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<v Speaker 2>dealing with this. Doctors thought I was faking it, thought

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<v Speaker 2>I was just saying I was in pain when I

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<v Speaker 2>was not, and I was in an extraordinary amount of pain.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the only thing I've ever found more painful

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<v Speaker 2>than that was when I had a abscess under one

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<v Speaker 2>of my teeth, and that damn near killed me a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of years ago, and that I think might be

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing that was more painful. The difference is

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<v Speaker 2>the abscess stayed there for like three three days before

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<v Speaker 2>the medication kicked in and finally started bringing it down.

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<v Speaker 2>Whereas the pain from Kundalini would hit, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>really intense for a short period of time and then

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<v Speaker 2>it would numb down and go away. It did cause

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<v Speaker 2>me to black out at least once, probably more than once,

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<v Speaker 2>only once when I was on my feet and I

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<v Speaker 2>had walked up. It started when I was in the

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<v Speaker 2>kitchen and I walked up my stairs and it just

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<v Speaker 2>kept getting It would come in waves, and it would

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<v Speaker 2>feel like someone had stabbed you with a knife and

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<v Speaker 2>the knife was on fire and they were twisting it

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<v Speaker 2>and it was just and I got up to my

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<v Speaker 2>bedroom door and I as I grabbed the door handle,

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<v Speaker 2>I had a soda in one hand. I grabbed the

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<v Speaker 2>door handle and I blacked out from the pan and

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<v Speaker 2>I had hit the door, and as I had hit

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<v Speaker 2>the door knocked me. It woke me back up and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, And really, the only thing I

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<v Speaker 2>knew how what to do at the time was to

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<v Speaker 2>lay down and just kind of try to position myself

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<v Speaker 2>so the pain would lessen, and eventually it would work

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<v Speaker 2>its way through and it would stop. And sometimes it

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<v Speaker 2>could be hours, sometimes it could be a few minutes.

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<v Speaker 2>To this day, it still occasionally pops up, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>generally not that level of pain. Plus I know enough

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<v Speaker 2>techniques now once I identified it to know what was

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<v Speaker 2>happening to me. But it took a good ten years

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<v Speaker 2>before I had any idea what it was. And that

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<v Speaker 2>was just by fluke chance. When I was on Micro's show,

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<v Speaker 2>I had said, Fate Magazine kind of saved my life

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<v Speaker 2>with this one, because they randomly started sending me a

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<v Speaker 2>sample magazine and I was always into the paranormal and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that, and I was like, oh great, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a fantastic magazine, so I ordered it. In there,

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<v Speaker 2>they had a link to a Llewellyn magazine that was

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<v Speaker 2>for free that was uh wellum books, and they just

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<v Speaker 2>you know sent out a thing with a few slim

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<v Speaker 2>articles about books they had coming out. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>was on Cundalini and as I'm reading it, I'm reading

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<v Speaker 2>the description and I'm going, oh my god, this is

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<v Speaker 2>everything I've been experiencing the last ten years. And had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea. They went to the library started pulling out

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<v Speaker 2>books on condolinium. There were very few. John White's was

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<v Speaker 2>one of the good ones. I think it's called Coundlinian Enlightenment,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a collection of articles from different people who

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<v Speaker 2>have written about it from different cultures and different perspectives,

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<v Speaker 2>and a lot of it when it awakens them, when

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<v Speaker 2>it awakens the Yeah, what's the word I'm looking for

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<v Speaker 2>on its own, spontaneous, spontaneous thank you. It's considered a

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<v Speaker 2>morbid awakening and it can make you very sick. And

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<v Speaker 2>actually I wrote down a list of the symptoms that

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<v Speaker 2>are most common. Yeah, so one of them is twitching,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, it can almost be misdiagnosed as epilepsy in

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<v Speaker 2>some people because the twitching and the uncontrollable movements can

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<v Speaker 2>get so strong. I didn't have that level of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I always had the electrical kind of twitching. It

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<v Speaker 2>literally feels like electricity going through your body. And I'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to the electrical elements in a bit. Yeah, pulsating

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<v Speaker 2>feel it, just like your whole body just starts pulsing

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<v Speaker 2>and it gets more and more intense. And I've been

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<v Speaker 2>told that when I'm asleep, my whole body sometimes will

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<v Speaker 2>just start pulsating. The uh kind of an uncontrolled emotional

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<v Speaker 2>state too, can happen where you'll feel suddenly angry for

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<v Speaker 2>no reason or really blissful and enlightened again without any

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<v Speaker 2>real trigger. It's the energy just kind of moving through

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<v Speaker 2>you and triggering stuff off. Heat and cold are very,

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<v Speaker 2>very common. I've rarely had the cold, but the heat

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<v Speaker 2>makes you feel like you're about to spontaneously.

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<v Speaker 3>Combust that's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I've often wondered if the spontaneous combustion really

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<v Speaker 2>is a level of Kundalini hitting a point where it

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<v Speaker 2>causes spontaneous combustion. I've known people who have had the

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<v Speaker 2>cold to such an extreme that it can be ninety

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<v Speaker 2>five degrees out and they can't get warm because the

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<v Speaker 2>cold's coming from inside. And electrosensitivity you blow stuff up basically, really, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to get to the level of things

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<v Speaker 2>I've blown up in a little bit, which relates to

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<v Speaker 2>our conversation last week with Wallace and how consciousness may

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<v Speaker 2>be electrical in nature. But yeah, I had a girlfriend

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<v Speaker 2>who was the only person I ever knew who had

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<v Speaker 2>worse incidents of KUNDERLINI than I did. And if she

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<v Speaker 2>was using a laptop and handed it to me, it

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<v Speaker 2>would just lock up and vice versa. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just every single time if we put it down, it

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<v Speaker 2>was fine. So it wasn't a movement thing. It was

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<v Speaker 2>a from one energy field to another. It was that

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<v Speaker 2>strong that would blow stuff up and with hers if

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<v Speaker 2>she got angry, electronics would just die, including our car.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that was not fun. And the funny thing is

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<v Speaker 2>foreign cars are more susceptible than American cars. So I've

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<v Speaker 2>had Fords that never had electrical problems. Had a votes Wagon,

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<v Speaker 2>the electronics just kept dying on it. We had left

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<v Speaker 2>the station one night and we were driving home morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're driving home and we got into a fight,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we get into the fight, the car just

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<v Speaker 2>dies and she just puts her head down and she's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. Because it was so cause and effect. There

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<v Speaker 2>was no it wasn't like, okay, this was just a

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<v Speaker 2>random the car died, and when it happened, you'd have.

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<v Speaker 4>It looked at.

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they couldn't find anything wrong with it. One day

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<v Speaker 2>it would just start up and be fine again without

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<v Speaker 2>them having to really fix anything. So it was overloading

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<v Speaker 2>the electronics somewhere and apparently not even getting out of

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<v Speaker 2>the system. For a while. Let's see, pain, as I

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<v Speaker 2>already described, is one of the worst symptoms. It can

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<v Speaker 2>also make you physically ill. It can make you seem

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<v Speaker 2>like you have any kind of diseases and things like that.

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening is the energy from the Hindu version of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It lies coiled at the base of the spine, just

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<v Speaker 2>underneath the tailboa and it moves up your spine through

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<v Speaker 2>the chakras. Now, the thing is, when I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 2>i'd never heard of a chakra before. I had never

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<v Speaker 2>heard of any of this. But when I found information

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<v Speaker 2>on it, I realized where the pain was was right

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<v Speaker 2>where they were saying the chakras were, And to me,

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of validated that, Okay, maybe there's something to

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<v Speaker 2>the whole chakra system. Because I didn't know about that.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't in my head. Because this was we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>early eighties when this started. There was no Internet. I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't just go on and look this stuff up. But

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<v Speaker 2>the pain can manifest in a lot of different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of random symptoms, like your heart beating fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes pressure in your skull, like your skull was cracking apart,

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<v Speaker 2>and it feels like it almost feels like a concussion,

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<v Speaker 2>especially along the back of your skull. It feels like

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<v Speaker 2>it's just cracked and the pressure keeps building. Hallucinations I've

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<v Speaker 2>already gotten into, and you can have anything from sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a flute, drumming, rattling bees, buzzing, roaring, wishing types

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<v Speaker 2>of sounds, and these are also common in DMT experiences.

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<v Speaker 2>Sudden bursts of creativity, which definitely you'll suddenly be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my God, I understand all this stuff, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>just suddenly and then it's just gone. Psychic abilities. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't point to anything that I ever had prior to

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<v Speaker 2>this where I would say, oh, that was a weird

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<v Speaker 2>paranormal experience or a psychic experience. But once it really started,

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<v Speaker 2>the number of experiences started accumulating. Eventually I started going

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<v Speaker 2>after them, but initially they were not something I grew

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<v Speaker 2>into my life. And yes, Feelings of Enlightenment is the

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<v Speaker 2>last one I have down here, and it definitely can

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<v Speaker 2>give you that. My experiences were more of some of

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<v Speaker 2>the more unpleasant experiences. The concept being that each chakra

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<v Speaker 2>has stuff in them. They correspond to aspects of your consciousness,

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<v Speaker 2>and as the energy moves up through them. If there's

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<v Speaker 2>stuff you're not dealing with, it burns through them, hence

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<v Speaker 2>the pain, the feeling of fire, heat and cold, and

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<v Speaker 2>so on and so forth. When I've met people who

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<v Speaker 2>also have Kundalini experiences, I've also found that if I

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<v Speaker 2>put my hand on the chakra that's hard hurting them,

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<v Speaker 2>I can pick up what they're blocking. It just appears

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<v Speaker 2>in my head, and it's usually stuff you don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to deal with, which is why they're not dealing with it,

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<v Speaker 2>why it's blocked off. So it took me a long

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<v Speaker 2>time of just trying to work through it, not knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what was coming from. As I said, I went to

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<v Speaker 2>plenty of doctors, none of them had any clue. Once

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<v Speaker 2>I knew what it was, then at least I could

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<v Speaker 2>get a handle on it, because then I learned how

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<v Speaker 2>to do different meditations. I learned how to do breathing

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<v Speaker 2>exercises and so on and so forth, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>able to get some control over it. The electric effects,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna give you the most massive electric effects

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<v Speaker 2>I ever caused. I've always had them. I've always, like

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<v Speaker 2>I said, knocked things out here and there we went,

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<v Speaker 2>or I went to so At one point there were

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of radioss that were all doing metal shows

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<v Speaker 2>and such as the one I do after this, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was friends with all the DJs. One of them

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<v Speaker 2>was an Auburn and this particular day, I was so electric.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine an electrical like a static electric shock by a thousand.

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<v Speaker 2>I would literally see electricity go between me and metal

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<v Speaker 2>objects as I got too close to them, very painful,

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<v Speaker 2>very loud, like a shotgun going off. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>just was like, okay, I'm not going to touch anything

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have to touch. So I went to see

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<v Speaker 2>my friend who was doing a show at the Auburn

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<v Speaker 2>College and I'm hanging out with him. And the first

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<v Speaker 2>thing I say to him, because he was one of

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<v Speaker 2>those people always wanted to shake your hand and that's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>and I said to him, don't touch me, and he

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<v Speaker 2>got to look at me where I'm like, no, seriously,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get the shock of your life. Don't touch me,

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, nothing personal. And he's like okay. It

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of a small air room, and at some

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<v Speaker 2>point he went to walk by me and just brushed

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<v Speaker 2>against me, and you heard the loudest like shotgun blast

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<v Speaker 2>go off. And it threw him across the room really

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<v Speaker 2>and he's laying there leaning against the far wall just

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<v Speaker 2>with a look of shock on his face. And I

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<v Speaker 2>was just kind of like, told, you don't touch me now,

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<v Speaker 2>you understand. And that's never happened before or since. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just this one day. It was so intense. After this,

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<v Speaker 2>I went to another radio station at Seneca Falls, and

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<v Speaker 2>in fact that the person who was there, Steve, does

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes listen to this show. So I'm wondering if he's

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<v Speaker 2>going to remember this because I never told him this

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<v Speaker 2>whole part of it. So I'm sitting there talking to

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<v Speaker 2>him and he was doing a normal shift that night

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<v Speaker 2>instead of his metal show. And as we're talking, I

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<v Speaker 2>grabbed the metal rack that has all the C players

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff on it, just to kind of lean against it,

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<v Speaker 2>not thinking about it. I didn't feel much, just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a little vibration, and all the power in the

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<v Speaker 2>building went out, and I was kind of like, oops,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking that couldn't possibly have been me, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>despite the amount of electricity I'm giving off. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>believe I knocked the entire block went out wow, and

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<v Speaker 2>didn't come back on. And one of the creepy things

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<v Speaker 2>that happened. So we're sitting there and all the phones

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<v Speaker 2>were office phones, so they were powered phones, so they

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<v Speaker 2>were all dead. And we hear a phone ringing, and

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<v Speaker 2>we're sitting there in the dark, going where's that phone?

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going around the building trying to find it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's just really faint, and finally he goes into

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<v Speaker 2>an office and he goes under a desk and pulls

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<v Speaker 2>out a phone and the phone rings and he picks

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<v Speaker 2>it up and it's just static and he hangs it

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<v Speaker 2>back up. He's like, all right, I'm thoroughly creeped out.

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<v Speaker 2>And eventually we just left because the power wasn't coming

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<v Speaker 2>back on, and I asked him check see what they

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<v Speaker 2>know They say the power went out for and apparently

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<v Speaker 2>they said they don't know why the power went out,

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<v Speaker 2>but a surge from somewhere on the block knocked the

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<v Speaker 2>power out, you know. And it's one of those things

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<v Speaker 2>where I have a hard time believing I generated enough

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<v Speaker 2>electricity to knock an entire block out, but it happened

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<v Speaker 2>the instant I touched this metal rack and I felt

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<v Speaker 2>something as I touched it, and then there was nothing

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<v Speaker 2>and without an explanation. If they had come back and said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>one of her things burned out, Okay, then it wasn't me.

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<v Speaker 2>But they're basically saying it came from a surge along

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<v Speaker 2>the block that I was on. Never had it that

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<v Speaker 2>powerful again. I mean, I've knocked street lights out. I've

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<v Speaker 2>had a friend who anytime she has stayed over, all

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<v Speaker 2>the electronics go crazy. My TV will turn on and off,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't happen if she's there, it happens if

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<v Speaker 2>both of us are there. There's something about and she

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<v Speaker 2>also has active Condellini, so there's something about that connection

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<v Speaker 2>that has caused weird electrical effects as well, and including

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<v Speaker 2>a very weird, uh, what's the word for it, hypnogogic

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<v Speaker 2>experience I had for some reason, anytime she stayed over.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd have a lot of hypnogogic experiences. Now, a hypnogogic

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<v Speaker 2>experience is something that it's basically a dream state when

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<v Speaker 2>you're waking up. So you wake up, but your brain

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<v Speaker 2>is still somewhat asleep, so you may see something or

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<v Speaker 2>good at picking these out. One day I woke up

418
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<v Speaker 2>for instance, and everything was shaded blue, and I was

419
00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:13.519
<v Speaker 2>a little freaked out about it, and I got up.

420
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:15.559
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, why is everything shaded blue? And suddenly it

421
00:22:15.599 --> 00:22:17.920
<v Speaker 2>was just normal again, and I'm like, that was probably hypnogogic.

422
00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:20.519
<v Speaker 2>It was probably a dream state. Still not kick it out,

423
00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.160
<v Speaker 2>because I can't imagine what else would cause a blue

424
00:22:23.200 --> 00:22:28.160
<v Speaker 2>tint on everything. So there have been little ones here

425
00:22:28.200 --> 00:22:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and there, but anytime she had stayed over, I would

426
00:22:30.279 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 2>get these really intense hypnagogic states. And in this case,

427
00:22:34.000 --> 00:22:36.759
<v Speaker 2>I heard a noise I can't possibly describe, kind of

428
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:43.319
<v Speaker 2>like a scream, just completely inhuman, following a loud thought,

429
00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:46.799
<v Speaker 2>or right following it, a loud thud, and I jolted

430
00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:48.559
<v Speaker 2>up right and I was like, what the hell was that?

431
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.599
<v Speaker 2>And the dog went crazy and I'm going, no, that

432
00:22:51.640 --> 00:22:55.160
<v Speaker 2>was hypnogogic. Why is the dog going crazy? And I

433
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:56.839
<v Speaker 2>went out and I asked him, well, did anyone else

434
00:22:56.839 --> 00:22:58.319
<v Speaker 2>hear or anything. They're like, no, I don't know why

435
00:22:58.319 --> 00:23:03.119
<v Speaker 2>the dog's going crazy. So that was a weird hypnogogic thing,

436
00:23:03.119 --> 00:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>because usually hypnogogy is something I just dismiss. You know,

437
00:23:06.480 --> 00:23:08.920
<v Speaker 2>it's your dream state kicking over into your waking state.

438
00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:10.920
<v Speaker 2>It can happen the other way too. It's what a

439
00:23:10.960 --> 00:23:14.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of people blame UFO abductions on. They say, well,

440
00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:18.319
<v Speaker 2>it's hypnagogic. They're dreaming, but they're awake, and it doesn't

441
00:23:18.319 --> 00:23:23.640
<v Speaker 2>really fit honestly, the abduction scenario. Aside from a few cases,

442
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I know of at least one person who has been

443
00:23:25.720 --> 00:23:28.759
<v Speaker 2>in that exact state where he's had sleep paralysis and

444
00:23:28.839 --> 00:23:34.039
<v Speaker 2>he's seen grays come in after him, and it may

445
00:23:34.039 --> 00:23:36.759
<v Speaker 2>be hypnogogic. Sleep paralysis is another thing that's a little

446
00:23:36.759 --> 00:23:40.759
<v Speaker 2>bit weird and hard to pin down. I've experienced that

447
00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>as well. I've literally had things drag me back into

448
00:23:43.759 --> 00:23:47.079
<v Speaker 2>a dream state and I don't know if they're external

449
00:23:47.119 --> 00:23:50.839
<v Speaker 2>things or internal things. They generally feel external, but in

450
00:23:50.880 --> 00:23:54.039
<v Speaker 2>a dream state it's really hard to tell. But like

451
00:23:54.079 --> 00:23:57.519
<v Speaker 2>where I've literally had a fight to wake up and realize,

452
00:23:57.559 --> 00:23:59.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, in a very lucid state, I am asleep,

453
00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:01.839
<v Speaker 2>need to wake up, and as I'm kind of fighting up,

454
00:24:01.839 --> 00:24:03.599
<v Speaker 2>I'll feel something just grab me and pull.

455
00:24:03.559 --> 00:24:04.240
<v Speaker 4>Me back down.

456
00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.039
<v Speaker 2>And it's a very weird sensation, to say the least.

457
00:24:10.440 --> 00:24:12.480
<v Speaker 2>It's generally one of those things you don't like to experience,

458
00:24:12.519 --> 00:24:18.599
<v Speaker 2>but afterwards you're kind of like that was kind of interesting. So, yeah,

459
00:24:18.640 --> 00:24:21.920
<v Speaker 2>the elect the electrical effects. The electrical effects can be

460
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:27.400
<v Speaker 2>pretty intense. My girlfriend who was who had it much

461
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:32.119
<v Speaker 2>worse than I did, would literally blow computers up, Like

462
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:37.119
<v Speaker 2>she almost set all the wiring above her computer at

463
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:42.480
<v Speaker 2>work on fire. Yeah, she had it, really had no

464
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:45.960
<v Speaker 2>control over whatsoever. If she got even the slightest bit emotional,

465
00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:50.759
<v Speaker 2>things would just go really bad. And when you look

466
00:24:50.759 --> 00:24:52.799
<v Speaker 2>at the Electric University, you look at what Wallace is

467
00:24:52.839 --> 00:24:56.200
<v Speaker 2>saying with consciousness being electrical, there's something more I think.

468
00:24:56.839 --> 00:25:02.079
<v Speaker 2>I think consciousness expands outwards in that respect. I was

469
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:04.079
<v Speaker 2>hoping to have Lewis Proud on at some point because

470
00:25:04.079 --> 00:25:07.240
<v Speaker 2>he's done a lot of research into this, the phenomenon

471
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:10.720
<v Speaker 2>people being more electric and what electricity does to the body.

472
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>But he's currently working on something else, I guess at

473
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:16.799
<v Speaker 2>the moment. So maybe eventually we'll have him on. He's

474
00:25:16.799 --> 00:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a researcher out of Australia, I believe. So the other

475
00:25:20.720 --> 00:25:23.119
<v Speaker 2>things with Kundomini, and one of the things that I

476
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:27.880
<v Speaker 2>found really fascinating about it is it can spread. So

477
00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 2>one of the things that can cause is laughter and

478
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:35.559
<v Speaker 2>it's the most bizarre laughter you'll ever experience, because nothing's funny,

479
00:25:35.599 --> 00:25:38.880
<v Speaker 2>but you can't stop laughing. It's not like contagious laughter,

480
00:25:38.920 --> 00:25:41.079
<v Speaker 2>where someone else is laughing and now you're laughing because

481
00:25:41.079 --> 00:25:41.400
<v Speaker 2>you're in.

482
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:41.880
<v Speaker 4>A good mood.

483
00:25:41.920 --> 00:25:44.640
<v Speaker 2>And it's a very odd sort of laughter. It's not

484
00:25:44.720 --> 00:25:47.640
<v Speaker 2>unpleasant necessarily, but it's not connected to anything. It just

485
00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 2>hits you and suddenly you're laughing and you can't stop.

486
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.119
<v Speaker 2>And what I discovered is if I grab a hold

487
00:25:53.119 --> 00:25:57.119
<v Speaker 2>of somebody, they start laughing too, really, and the same

488
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.160
<v Speaker 2>thing that nothing's funny. They're not laughing because I'm laughing,

489
00:26:00.960 --> 00:26:02.519
<v Speaker 2>and as soon as I let go of them, they

490
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.880
<v Speaker 2>can stop. So the energy can actually move from one

491
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 2>person to another, and it usually scares the hell out

492
00:26:08.599 --> 00:26:12.359
<v Speaker 2>of people when you do that. If you go online,

493
00:26:12.519 --> 00:26:16.079
<v Speaker 2>there are what are called laughing churches, and these are

494
00:26:16.519 --> 00:26:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Christian churches who believe that who are basically using Kundelini,

495
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.839
<v Speaker 2>but they're calling it the Holy Spirit. They'll have someone

496
00:26:22.880 --> 00:26:25.160
<v Speaker 2>who can channel it in, they start laughing, they grab

497
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:27.400
<v Speaker 2>a member of the congregation and they start spreading it

498
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:31.160
<v Speaker 2>across the church. That's interesting, and you know, I'm sure

499
00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.160
<v Speaker 2>a lot of skeptics go, well, it's they're just thinking

500
00:26:34.279 --> 00:26:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that they're feeling something. But having had these Kundelini experiences,

501
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.039
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you it's the same thing as Kondolini

502
00:26:41.640 --> 00:26:43.319
<v Speaker 2>And as long as you're not scared of it, it's

503
00:26:43.359 --> 00:26:46.880
<v Speaker 2>not unpleasant. The unpleasant part is not knowing what's going on.

504
00:26:51.920 --> 00:26:55.960
<v Speaker 1>A cast Classics, Carrie j Does Not Exist is a

505
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.640
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506
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<v Speaker 1>different identities infiltrated the lives of vulnerable people and lied

507
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:04.559
<v Speaker 1>her way into gaining their trust.

508
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.160
<v Speaker 3>It's almost like she has this rare gift of being

509
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.880
<v Speaker 3>able to ascertain the exact hopes and dreams of a community.

510
00:27:11.039 --> 00:27:14.799
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511
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512
00:27:17.839 --> 00:27:21.240
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513
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514
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515
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516
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<v Speaker 2>So that's the type of thing that and like I said,

517
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I've met so many people who have experienced it as well.

518
00:27:42.079 --> 00:27:44.960
<v Speaker 2>It seems there are certain people that the energy is

519
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.039
<v Speaker 2>more in tune with. There was someone I knew who

520
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:49.720
<v Speaker 2>All I had to do is put my fingers on

521
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:52.079
<v Speaker 2>the back of her neck and her whole spine would superheat.

522
00:27:53.880 --> 00:27:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Not unpleasantly, but it was that simple of a movement

523
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.559
<v Speaker 2>that could do it. And it's very reactive to consciousness,

524
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.440
<v Speaker 2>so if you're talking about or feeling certain things, it

525
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:10.000
<v Speaker 2>can kick in the time we sat here. You came

526
00:28:10.079 --> 00:28:11.680
<v Speaker 2>up to the studio and we were sitting in the

527
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.880
<v Speaker 2>other room talking about some of the interviews and stuff

528
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:16.400
<v Speaker 2>you had done. It started kicking in on me.

529
00:28:16.720 --> 00:28:17.039
<v Speaker 3>Really.

530
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was sitting there and all of a sudden,

531
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:21.440
<v Speaker 2>my spine started to hurt and it just started pulsing,

532
00:28:21.440 --> 00:28:22.799
<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, okay, now I need to get up

533
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:25.880
<v Speaker 2>and walk around a little bit, and then I could

534
00:28:25.920 --> 00:28:27.960
<v Speaker 2>get it to go down, because now again I know

535
00:28:28.039 --> 00:28:31.519
<v Speaker 2>how to diffuse it when it starts doing that. And

536
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 2>I think it was just the subject matter we were talking

537
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:35.960
<v Speaker 2>about caused it to kick in for some reason.

538
00:28:36.279 --> 00:28:37.079
<v Speaker 3>We talk about a lot.

539
00:28:37.319 --> 00:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, exactly so, but when you look at it,

540
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of connections to the DMT stuff as well,

541
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:48.680
<v Speaker 2>but it's not necessarily the same thing. Do you have

542
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:50.079
<v Speaker 2>any questions, by the way.

543
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.319
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, well why don't we go back for a second,

544
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.519
<v Speaker 3>and these people that you've met, are they also having

545
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:56.519
<v Speaker 3>spontaneous Kundelini awakenings?

546
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:00.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, none of them have no even knew what Kundalini.

547
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Was, right, because traditionally you have the awakening through yoga

548
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:09.400
<v Speaker 3>or meditation or something called shock tepot, which is the

549
00:29:09.440 --> 00:29:13.319
<v Speaker 3>spiritual transmission from a guru a teacher, right right. And

550
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 3>also reportedly there's been awakenings through physical psychological trauma. But

551
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>then there's this other group where it's just it just happens.

552
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:22.480
<v Speaker 3>It's spontaneous exactly.

553
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Like I did not have a traumatic childhood, so that

554
00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:27.920
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't qualify. I do know someone who had it,

555
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>who had a very traumatic childhood and had lots of

556
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:35.519
<v Speaker 2>paranormal experiences as well as spontaneous Kundalini. In fact, doctor

557
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 2>Ring when he did his work on near death experiences

558
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.319
<v Speaker 2>and UFO abductees, found that that was a common factor

559
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.079
<v Speaker 2>that people who had these experiences also tended to have

560
00:29:43.119 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>abuse in their childhood. Right, So something like seventy percent.

561
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 3>And so if you're not doing the training, then as

562
00:29:49.559 --> 00:29:50.839
<v Speaker 3>we said, there are risks involved.

563
00:29:50.920 --> 00:29:53.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, And like I said, additionally, I thought

564
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.240
<v Speaker 2>I was losing my mind because here I am hallucinating

565
00:29:56.319 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 2>these weird hallucinations, and I knew I'm not seeing this.

566
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>This is there's no smoke coming out of my trombone,

567
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.160
<v Speaker 2>you know, but there it is. I'm watching it happen,

568
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:09.279
<v Speaker 2>and it's a weird experience and I'm thinking about going crazy.

569
00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Do you remember the moment when it happened?

570
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:11.720
<v Speaker 4>No?

571
00:30:11.720 --> 00:30:13.599
<v Speaker 2>No, it's all pretty vague, and I don't think anything

572
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.160
<v Speaker 2>happened prior to that. And I didn't even connect it

573
00:30:16.200 --> 00:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>to that till later when I started reading about like

574
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:22.400
<v Speaker 2>the audio hallucinations, and it's like, wait, no, that's exactly

575
00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>what I was experiencing. And I still get them every

576
00:30:26.000 --> 00:30:28.200
<v Speaker 2>once in a while, buzzing sounds like bees in the

577
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.039
<v Speaker 2>room or something like that, but it's not as frequent anymore.

578
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 3>It's very interesting stuff.

579
00:30:35.319 --> 00:30:37.960
<v Speaker 2>It is, and the fact that you can transfer to

580
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:42.359
<v Speaker 2>another person who knows nothing about it, to me is

581
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.920
<v Speaker 2>really interesting because it means it's not just in your head,

582
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 2>because if it was just in your head, that wouldn't work, right,

583
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:50.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, the laughing church. As I said, I mean

584
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.880
<v Speaker 2>knowing having experienced this and knowing that if it hicks

585
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.759
<v Speaker 2>in and I start feeling and I grab someone. They're

586
00:30:56.759 --> 00:31:00.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna start laughing too. That shouldn't happen if it's in

587
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:01.839
<v Speaker 2>your head, right.

588
00:31:01.640 --> 00:31:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean theoretically it's based in the spine and

589
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.319
<v Speaker 3>energy shoots through your nervous system, which right why the

590
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:09.839
<v Speaker 3>risk can be so great, But it would shoot through

591
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.720
<v Speaker 3>your whole body theoretically.

592
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, And like I said, without knowing what chakras were,

593
00:31:15.519 --> 00:31:17.160
<v Speaker 2>it gave me a lot of faith in the chakra

594
00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>system that this is where I was feeling that pain.

595
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:23.200
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, huh okay, well I didn't know about it,

596
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.279
<v Speaker 2>so it's not like my brain was putting it into

597
00:31:26.279 --> 00:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>that paradigm because I didn't have a paradigm for it.

598
00:31:29.759 --> 00:31:31.799
<v Speaker 2>To me, it was just this awful thing that was happening,

599
00:31:31.799 --> 00:31:36.960
<v Speaker 2>that was ruining my life. And it never happened in

600
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:40.319
<v Speaker 2>like I was always afraid I'd be in school and

601
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.640
<v Speaker 2>it would just hit me full force, and it never did.

602
00:31:44.359 --> 00:31:46.680
<v Speaker 2>It always did it in times where I could deal

603
00:31:46.720 --> 00:31:49.319
<v Speaker 2>with it, you know, like when I was home by myself,

604
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.079
<v Speaker 2>and if it did hit any other time, it was mild.

605
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:54.519
<v Speaker 2>So that's why I say I think it responds to

606
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.799
<v Speaker 2>consciousness to a degree. And you would think the fear

607
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>of it kicking it off, Mike, kick it off, But

608
00:32:01.720 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. Oh yeah, I did have the chat

609
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 2>window open too, in case anyone wanted to hear it

610
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.640
<v Speaker 2>to ask any questions about it. And I encourage anyone

611
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:12.519
<v Speaker 2>who's having these experiences. I am more than willing to

612
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 2>talk about them to people. I do not know how

613
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.680
<v Speaker 2>to wake kundolini up. I had someone ask me that

614
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.640
<v Speaker 2>last time, and my life goal was to control it,

615
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>not wake it up. I would say go with condoleeni

616
00:32:25.720 --> 00:32:27.640
<v Speaker 2>yoga in that case, in which case you're dealing with

617
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>a very controlled system to wake it up mildly and

618
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.079
<v Speaker 2>slowly so you can deal with it, as opposed to me,

619
00:32:34.160 --> 00:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>who was pretty much set on fire. And the electrical

620
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.759
<v Speaker 2>effects i'm assuming are connected to condaleni. I can't say

621
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.039
<v Speaker 2>that for sure, but I know people who have had

622
00:32:47.079 --> 00:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>condolini also tend to have the electrical effects. I've met

623
00:32:50.200 --> 00:32:52.279
<v Speaker 2>a few people who can affect electronics who don't seem

624
00:32:52.319 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 2>to have any sign of it, so there might be

625
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 2>it might be one thing triggering another. But since we

626
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:00.359
<v Speaker 2>don't know what causes the electrical effect, I mean, we're

627
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:03.519
<v Speaker 2>electrical creatures, period. I mean, any scientists will tell you

628
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:06.519
<v Speaker 2>there's electrical energy in the body. There just shouldn't be

629
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:08.319
<v Speaker 2>enough to knock a block of electricity out.

630
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:14.599
<v Speaker 3>Have you ever tried to seek out someone from particular

631
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:18.400
<v Speaker 3>faith who might have had similar experiences to give you

632
00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:23.880
<v Speaker 3>an insight, like what, oh, like a guru or no.

633
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:23.960
<v Speaker 5>No.

634
00:33:24.119 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 2>I mostly went to books and then experimented on my own.

635
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:33.160
<v Speaker 2>I've always been better with things that way. I've probably

636
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:38.079
<v Speaker 2>not a bad idea, but it's interesting because again, this

637
00:33:38.599 --> 00:33:42.759
<v Speaker 2>formed how I view consciousness at that point, because it's

638
00:33:42.799 --> 00:33:45.440
<v Speaker 2>hard to look at things as being very material when

639
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:49.480
<v Speaker 2>this type of stuff is happening to you. And of course,

640
00:33:49.519 --> 00:33:51.319
<v Speaker 2>like I said, I went to doctor after doctor and

641
00:33:51.400 --> 00:33:53.160
<v Speaker 2>had all kinds of tests done and there was nothing

642
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.119
<v Speaker 2>wrong with me. I was a picture of health, and

643
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:59.119
<v Speaker 2>it's like great, but I am in pain, very very

644
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:05.519
<v Speaker 2>intense pain. And that set off all the paranormal stuff too,

645
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:08.280
<v Speaker 2>And then I started delving into it and started investigating

646
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.639
<v Speaker 2>magic and things like that, which just intensified all my experiences.

647
00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>But the cundlini has always been there. It's always been

648
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:23.679
<v Speaker 2>underlying the experience, and most people have never heard of this.

649
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.000
<v Speaker 2>If they have, they've heard, you know, vague mentions of

650
00:34:26.039 --> 00:34:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Kundelini yoga, but they don't know that it can wake

651
00:34:29.000 --> 00:34:32.000
<v Speaker 2>up in such a negative way. Another person I knew

652
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:35.719
<v Speaker 2>I was working with this girl and I'm realizing she's

653
00:34:35.760 --> 00:34:39.480
<v Speaker 2>complaining about things, and I'm going, that sounds like cundolini.

654
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:41.960
<v Speaker 2>But it was very mild, and so I sent her

655
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:43.880
<v Speaker 2>an article about it, and it freaked her out to

656
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.719
<v Speaker 2>no end. Instead of helping her, it scared her, and

657
00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:49.719
<v Speaker 2>a short time later she broke up with her boyfriend

658
00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:53.000
<v Speaker 2>and everything went away, and I was like, well, that's weird,

659
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.199
<v Speaker 2>And so I started talking to her boyfriend more and

660
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.360
<v Speaker 2>went it's him, it wasn't her. So while she was

661
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:01.440
<v Speaker 2>with him, he was it was she was picking it

662
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>up and it was affecting her and he was dealing

663
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.880
<v Speaker 2>with it okay, So it didn't really obviously show in him.

664
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:09.239
<v Speaker 2>But the more I talked to him more, I was like,

665
00:35:09.800 --> 00:35:12.440
<v Speaker 2>it's you. And so when she broke up with him,

666
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:14.239
<v Speaker 2>it was no longer close with him. It just went

667
00:35:14.239 --> 00:35:15.719
<v Speaker 2>away in her. And I don't know if it was

668
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 2>waking it up in her or she was getting residual

669
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:22.159
<v Speaker 2>energy from it. And I've seen that with people I

670
00:35:22.239 --> 00:35:24.440
<v Speaker 2>know who I was close to where they'll start picking

671
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.519
<v Speaker 2>it up and they'll start having experiences, and then if

672
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:29.840
<v Speaker 2>I stay away from them for a while, it just stops.

673
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:32.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's hard to say if it's waking up in

674
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:35.480
<v Speaker 2>them and it goes back to sleep, or if it's

675
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:37.639
<v Speaker 2>just residual energy from me.

676
00:35:38.480 --> 00:35:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Right, yeah, all right, yeah, And it's hard to find

677
00:35:48.840 --> 00:35:51.039
<v Speaker 6>people who really are knowledgeable about this stuff.

678
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, I'm knowledgeable from my own experiences, and like

679
00:35:55.039 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 2>I said, John White's book was excellent and that it

680
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>had such a variety of experiences. It had n't remember

681
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:03.480
<v Speaker 2>the names. Now it's been a while, but people who

682
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.320
<v Speaker 2>almost died from it, they got so sick and were

683
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.920
<v Speaker 2>so ill for so long, and then it finally broke

684
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.440
<v Speaker 2>and they were able to deal with it and function properly.

685
00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:12.800
<v Speaker 4>Again.

686
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's a negative thing. I think it's

687
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.199
<v Speaker 2>something that helps you in the long term. It's just

688
00:36:19.039 --> 00:36:21.840
<v Speaker 2>you need to know what it is to work with it.

689
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.199
<v Speaker 3>Right, because traditionally you have to prepare for this experience

690
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 3>as opposed to just have it at shock value.

691
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.480
<v Speaker 2>And if you don't know that it's something that's helping you,

692
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>it just feels like the most horrible thing in the world.

693
00:36:35.119 --> 00:36:37.239
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's burning through a chakra because there's something

694
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:40.679
<v Speaker 2>there you need to deal with. You know, it's not

695
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:45.480
<v Speaker 2>punishing you. It's trying to open you up to something.

696
00:36:47.280 --> 00:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know what connection the paranormal experiences I've

697
00:36:50.760 --> 00:36:53.559
<v Speaker 2>had had to the Cundolini if they were just separate.

698
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I expect the CUNDLINI has affected everything throughout

699
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:04.239
<v Speaker 2>my life. But there's there's clear cut hallucinations and then

700
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:04.960
<v Speaker 2>there's other.

701
00:37:04.800 --> 00:37:09.920
<v Speaker 3>Stuff well in your bad Theoretically, people may not know

702
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.679
<v Speaker 3>because if they've had this spontaneous event and you get

703
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:15.639
<v Speaker 3>this shock to your nervous system, I mean, it could

704
00:37:15.719 --> 00:37:19.639
<v Speaker 3>bring an onset of perceived psychosis because you're having these hallucinations.

705
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yep, exactly. Luckily it didn't go that way for me

706
00:37:26.159 --> 00:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>because I realized I went through, like I said, about

707
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:30.480
<v Speaker 2>a decade of not knowing what was happening to me.

708
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:32.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I learned to deal with it to some degree,

709
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:34.360
<v Speaker 2>but if the pain started to hit me, it would

710
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:36.199
<v Speaker 2>just like I need to lay down, I need to

711
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of arc my back in these weird positions until

712
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>it finally stops. The you know, the uh I woke

713
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>up a few years ago. It must have been ninety

714
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:50.719
<v Speaker 2>five out, and I have air conditioning. I like it

715
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:54.400
<v Speaker 2>very cold when I sleep, and I woke up shaking

716
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.880
<v Speaker 2>and shivering, and I felt like I had almost died,

717
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.639
<v Speaker 2>and I was. I went outside and I'm standing in

718
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>direct sunlight and ninety five degree weather and I'm shaking,

719
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:08.039
<v Speaker 2>and I'm ice cold and internally ice cold, and I'm

720
00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.039
<v Speaker 2>just like, all right, what is this all about? Why

721
00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>is this happening now? And eventually it just well stopped.

722
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:15.119
<v Speaker 4>And it was gone.

723
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:23.360
<v Speaker 2>That was extremely unpleasant, I can imagine, because you just

724
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:26.760
<v Speaker 2>and like I said, other people experience it from the

725
00:38:26.760 --> 00:38:29.960
<v Speaker 2>cold realm all the time and they just can't get warm, right,

726
00:38:30.440 --> 00:38:31.639
<v Speaker 2>you know, they can be it can be a hot,

727
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:33.280
<v Speaker 2>humid day and when it hits them, they just did.

728
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:38.400
<v Speaker 2>They're shivering, they're shaking, they're freezing. The epilepsy connection, I mean,

729
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.480
<v Speaker 2>I would never suggest that somebody has epilepsy has condolini,

730
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:46.119
<v Speaker 2>but if you have epilepsy and it's not quite matching up,

731
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe this is something you want to look into and

732
00:38:48.039 --> 00:38:50.280
<v Speaker 2>see if it's something. You know, if you're taking medicine

733
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 2>for epilepsy and it's not doing anything, it could be

734
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:58.599
<v Speaker 2>that it's not epilepsy, right, you know, depending on the

735
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:01.639
<v Speaker 2>degree of it. Because there's so many different types of

736
00:39:01.679 --> 00:39:02.599
<v Speaker 2>epilepsy as well.

737
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:07.239
<v Speaker 3>Well, it's interesting to think that there might be a

738
00:39:07.280 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 3>connection to the spiritual over the biology of the person

739
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.800
<v Speaker 3>that's causing these yeah effects.

740
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:16.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it can cause because literally can cause convulsions and

741
00:39:16.599 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 2>twitching and all kinds of stuff. Again, my ex girlfriend

742
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:25.920
<v Speaker 2>who had had a really bad cundalini, would literally start convulsing.

743
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.000
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes it would get so bad she'd just be laying

744
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:32.760
<v Speaker 2>there and her whole body would start convulsing. She was

745
00:39:33.159 --> 00:39:36.239
<v Speaker 2>by far the worst I'd ever seen of it. But

746
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:38.599
<v Speaker 2>I could pick stuff up if I just put my

747
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:41.840
<v Speaker 2>hand on her where it was hurting her boom, I

748
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>could pick up information. Unfortunately, I couldn't give her that

749
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:47.320
<v Speaker 2>information because it was stuff she had to come to

750
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.320
<v Speaker 2>on her own. But it was like, oh, well, I

751
00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:54.519
<v Speaker 2>can totally see why you're not dealing with this. I

752
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 2>totally forgot what I was just going to say. There

753
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.320
<v Speaker 2>was another aspect of it. It's also very It's also

754
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:03.760
<v Speaker 2>considered sexual energy, so it can cause very very odd

755
00:40:03.760 --> 00:40:10.559
<v Speaker 2>effects in sexual relations as well. And I think it

756
00:40:10.599 --> 00:40:12.679
<v Speaker 2>was Crowley who actually talked about it being like the

757
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:15.079
<v Speaker 2>sexual force in man and the force of magic and

758
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:19.920
<v Speaker 2>man and such things like that. It's revered very highly

759
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:26.679
<v Speaker 2>in ancient occult circles. Again, not well known though.

760
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, because they're mostly mentioned in esoteric texts.

761
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.159
<v Speaker 2>Right. Sometimes I get references for and it's often visioned

762
00:40:34.199 --> 00:40:41.519
<v Speaker 2>as a snake as a serpent. Yeah, that's pretty accurate

763
00:40:41.519 --> 00:40:42.320
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of ways.

764
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 4>You had something you want to ask, No.

765
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean how many? So, how many people have you

766
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 3>met that you think have had these spontaneous awakenings?

767
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:53.800
<v Speaker 4>A few?

768
00:40:54.079 --> 00:40:57.840
<v Speaker 3>Quite a few? They Does it depend on whether what

769
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:00.000
<v Speaker 3>kind of knowledge they have, whether aware of this or not.

770
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've never met anyone who was aware of it. Again,

771
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 2>this is why I want to do this show, so

772
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:07.599
<v Speaker 2>people can have an awareness if they're experiencing these things,

773
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:09.880
<v Speaker 2>they can look into it and maybe get a handle

774
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 2>on it. And if they want to contact me, I'm

775
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.760
<v Speaker 2>always willing to help people at least point them in

776
00:41:14.760 --> 00:41:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the right direction information wise. The thing is a lot

777
00:41:19.920 --> 00:41:22.199
<v Speaker 2>of people, it seemed to may have little bits of it.

778
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.800
<v Speaker 2>There was one person I'm friends with on Facebook and

779
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.480
<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing her write about stuff, and I'm going it

780
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.280
<v Speaker 2>really sounds like you have just mild forms of cundalini.

781
00:41:31.320 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 2>And I know she would have no concept, no way

782
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.599
<v Speaker 2>of understanding that if I told her. Plus I don't

783
00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:39.719
<v Speaker 2>really know her very well. So I was like, all right,

784
00:41:39.800 --> 00:41:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure that's what's bothering you, but I have

785
00:41:41.639 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>no way to express this.

786
00:41:43.480 --> 00:41:45.320
<v Speaker 3>Well, why do you think there are different degrees?

787
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, because I don't know why it wakes

788
00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 2>up in the first place. I have no idea why

789
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>it woke up in me. I mean I had no

790
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.199
<v Speaker 2>Like I said, there was no event that happened, no

791
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 2>traumatic event or injury or emotional event that suddenly triggered.

792
00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>It's just it very slowly woke up, and then it

793
00:42:03.519 --> 00:42:03.800
<v Speaker 2>was like.

794
00:42:03.719 --> 00:42:08.719
<v Speaker 3>A firestorm, right, and then bad things, yeah, and.

795
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:10.079
<v Speaker 2>Then really bad things for a while.

796
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:13.760
<v Speaker 3>Because I have noted here. So apparently the last known

797
00:42:13.840 --> 00:42:18.280
<v Speaker 3>classical awakening was someone who had meditated three hours every

798
00:42:18.320 --> 00:42:19.559
<v Speaker 3>morning for seventeen years.

799
00:42:19.760 --> 00:42:20.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

800
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:22.800
<v Speaker 3>So that's the kind of preparation that people go through.

801
00:42:23.440 --> 00:42:27.760
<v Speaker 3>Unfortunately for others it is more. I was a surprise.

802
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:33.239
<v Speaker 5>Boo the uh.

803
00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:38.079
<v Speaker 2>And I think honestly learning different occult practices helped as well,

804
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.440
<v Speaker 2>because that's also about being able to you know, you figure,

805
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:44.360
<v Speaker 2>magic in its purest form is getting to know yourself.

806
00:42:45.440 --> 00:42:48.920
<v Speaker 3>So did you notice that you had more of an aptitude.

807
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:52.840
<v Speaker 2>For always of practices. Yeah, h that's what kind of

808
00:42:52.920 --> 00:42:54.639
<v Speaker 2>drew me. I mean, like I said, I was raised

809
00:42:54.639 --> 00:42:56.320
<v Speaker 2>in a very you know, my parents were very uh

810
00:42:56.800 --> 00:42:59.159
<v Speaker 2>they were Christian by name only. I guess you could

811
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:01.639
<v Speaker 2>say they were not religious people like my father's a

812
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Christmas Easter Catholics. Yeah, they were, we know what, they

813
00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>were Protestant maybe you know, if pushed, they're like, oh, yeah,

814
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:12.480
<v Speaker 2>we're Christian, because that's what you're supposed to say.

815
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:12.800
<v Speaker 3>You know.

816
00:43:13.079 --> 00:43:14.719
<v Speaker 2>They never took me to church, so I had no

817
00:43:14.800 --> 00:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>real religious background. I was going somewhere with this. What

818
00:43:20.840 --> 00:43:21.480
<v Speaker 2>were we talking.

819
00:43:21.320 --> 00:43:23.440
<v Speaker 3>About right before magical aptitude?

820
00:43:23.480 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>Magical aptitude? Yes, when I was a kid, and I

821
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know how old I was, I was really really young.

822
00:43:31.159 --> 00:43:34.679
<v Speaker 2>It's one of the first things I remember. Our dog died,

823
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.199
<v Speaker 2>died in his sleep, and I had no brush with

824
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:41.360
<v Speaker 2>death at this point, so I had no idea what

825
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 2>had happened to the dog. And my mother had explained

826
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:49.079
<v Speaker 2>death as if you know, close your eyes and ears

827
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>and that's how you are forever well. To a little kid,

828
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that was the scariest thing I could possibly imagine, and

829
00:43:57.400 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 2>shows you how they didn't really have that Christian view

830
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:01.400
<v Speaker 2>of oh way you go to heaven or you know,

831
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:05.400
<v Speaker 2>or anything like that. So that frightened the hell out

832
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.400
<v Speaker 2>of me, I'm sure, and it stuck with me through

833
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.119
<v Speaker 2>most of the time I was a kid. So I

834
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>when I started looking at ideas of Wicca and things

835
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:18.119
<v Speaker 2>like that, those were like, no, no, those are bad.

836
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I can't I don't want to touch on that because

837
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.679
<v Speaker 2>it's just going to make things worse. And it wasn't

838
00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 2>until I met people who were involved in it and

839
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 2>started opening up a little bit to it. When I was,

840
00:44:26.880 --> 00:44:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, a teenager, was like, oh, okay, maybe this

841
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.400
<v Speaker 2>isn't what I thought it was. But I had, you know,

842
00:44:32.480 --> 00:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>that that's such a horrid fear of death through most

843
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:41.639
<v Speaker 2>of my childhood that that was kind of my paradigm

844
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:45.119
<v Speaker 2>of how I saw things. Ok There was almost a

845
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:48.199
<v Speaker 2>fear of God at times, you know, because I believed

846
00:44:48.239 --> 00:44:51.400
<v Speaker 2>in God and had only that Christian you know, that

847
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:56.400
<v Speaker 2>vague Christian upbringing, and at a certain point it all

848
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:58.280
<v Speaker 2>just went away. I was able to toss it out

849
00:44:58.320 --> 00:45:00.599
<v Speaker 2>the window and kind of go gung ho into other things.

850
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:06.840
<v Speaker 2>So I investigated Wick, I investigated LaVey, Anti LaVey's Satanism,

851
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and finally into Crowley stuff, which if anyone missed our

852
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.960
<v Speaker 2>shows on Crowley Satanism and Crawley Croley's work are completely

853
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.280
<v Speaker 2>different things. For that matter, Anti LaVey's Satanism is more

854
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:24.440
<v Speaker 2>of a sociological belief system rather than a religious system,

855
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.079
<v Speaker 2>which I like for the most part. He's about self

856
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.880
<v Speaker 2>responsibility and you know, you take response, take responsibility for

857
00:45:31.920 --> 00:45:34.639
<v Speaker 2>your actions is one of the big you know things

858
00:45:34.679 --> 00:45:36.119
<v Speaker 2>of it. You can do whatever you want, but you're

859
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>responsible for the consequences. It's almost a libertarian way of

860
00:45:40.199 --> 00:45:45.440
<v Speaker 2>looking at things. I didn't like the the the blowing

861
00:45:45.519 --> 00:45:48.519
<v Speaker 2>up of the ego. You know, with Satanism, you're the

862
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:51.239
<v Speaker 2>most important thing because it's you. You know, you celebrate

863
00:45:51.239 --> 00:45:54.159
<v Speaker 2>your birthday, you know, it's it's kind of a selfish

864
00:45:54.199 --> 00:45:57.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of system, which never really clicked with me, But

865
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:00.159
<v Speaker 2>I liked the other aspects of it. And it has

866
00:46:00.159 --> 00:46:04.400
<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with an actual, real Satan. It has

867
00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 2>to do with the concept of Satan as the opposer

868
00:46:07.440 --> 00:46:12.199
<v Speaker 2>of the mainstream view of things because technically, Satan means

869
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>the opposer, and he just named it that. LaVey started

870
00:46:17.519 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Satanism because he was a cop in San Francisco, I

871
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.000
<v Speaker 2>believe it was. And he would see these very religious

872
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:28.519
<v Speaker 2>people commit these horrible crimes, absolutely horrendous crimes during the week,

873
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>and then Sunday they'd go to church and get forgiven,

874
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:34.920
<v Speaker 2>and he did. The hypocrisy of it just drove him insane,

875
00:46:34.960 --> 00:46:38.199
<v Speaker 2>and so he started the Church of Satan, which was

876
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.000
<v Speaker 2>more of a pure look, if you're going to do it,

877
00:46:40.039 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 2>do it, but take responsibility for it. You don't get

878
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>absolved from it.

879
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 3>I did not know that.

880
00:46:44.000 --> 00:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's definitely the Satantic Bible is worth a read.

881
00:46:47.599 --> 00:46:51.519
<v Speaker 2>The sociological principles in it are very interesting and would

882
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.880
<v Speaker 2>probably work for most people if you took the stigma

883
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.159
<v Speaker 2>of Satan out of it, they'd be like, oh, yeah,

884
00:46:57.159 --> 00:46:59.039
<v Speaker 2>this makes sense the thing you say, yeah, it's Church

885
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:00.840
<v Speaker 2>of Satan. And then they're like, oh no, this is

886
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 2>bad because our culture has been so ingrained that way.

887
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.480
<v Speaker 2>But that's part of what he wanted, you know, kind

888
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:09.719
<v Speaker 2>of shake things up, and he did.

889
00:47:11.039 --> 00:47:13.760
<v Speaker 3>So, what was the increase in the aptitude, Like, did

890
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 3>you have a comparison to other people who were practicing

891
00:47:15.880 --> 00:47:16.400
<v Speaker 3>the same thing.

892
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:20.920
<v Speaker 2>Things just worked for me, okay, And how basically is

893
00:47:20.960 --> 00:47:23.280
<v Speaker 2>what it was. I would do something and get a response,

894
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>and it was like, Okay, I wasn't expecting a response.

895
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think any of this stuff was gonna work.

896
00:47:30.519 --> 00:47:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Like one of the creepiest I think. I told this

897
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:34.480
<v Speaker 2>this on the Grallian too when I was on it.

898
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 2>One of the creepiest things that ever happened. I went

899
00:47:37.559 --> 00:47:39.360
<v Speaker 2>outside to do a ritual, and most times when I

900
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:43.320
<v Speaker 2>did rituals, they were for trying to understand where I

901
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:47.199
<v Speaker 2>was supposed to be going with something, you know, some

902
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:51.519
<v Speaker 2>sort of enlightenment to it. And I'm out. I have

903
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.079
<v Speaker 2>a very big yard and one of the barns in

904
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:55.599
<v Speaker 2>the yard kind of looks like the top of the

905
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:59.199
<v Speaker 2>Amityville House, you know, two eyes, kind of a curved roof,

906
00:47:59.239 --> 00:48:00.800
<v Speaker 2>so it looks like an evil face. And the place

907
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.000
<v Speaker 2>has always creeped me out. And I'm not creeped out

908
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>very easily, but that barn has always creeped me out.

909
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:07.559
<v Speaker 2>And so I'm standing a distance away from it, and

910
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:09.159
<v Speaker 2>I go through this whole rituale At the end of

911
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 2>the ritual, I tap the staff I have three times

912
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.320
<v Speaker 2>on the ground and from that barn in the exact pattern.

913
00:48:14.400 --> 00:48:17.559
<v Speaker 2>I just tapped the staff on the ground, I hear knock, knock, knock,

914
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:20.920
<v Speaker 2>and I just went ice cold, and I'm like, oh,

915
00:48:21.039 --> 00:48:24.320
<v Speaker 2>come on, why that barn. And the thing is, I

916
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't make any noise when I tapped the staff computely

917
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.679
<v Speaker 2>pitch darkness, tapped it three times in the grass, and

918
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.039
<v Speaker 2>then a loud knock from the barn, and I just went, oh,

919
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:36.559
<v Speaker 2>come on, and then realize you want me to walk

920
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:37.880
<v Speaker 2>by that barn, now, don't you.

921
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 4>Yes.

922
00:48:41.039 --> 00:48:42.480
<v Speaker 2>One of the things I've always felt that some of

923
00:48:42.480 --> 00:48:44.679
<v Speaker 2>the negative experiences try to teach you is how to

924
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:50.079
<v Speaker 2>overcome fear. So here i am just chilled, literally chilled

925
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:52.840
<v Speaker 2>with fear, and I'm going, I know nothing's there, you know,

926
00:48:52.920 --> 00:48:54.920
<v Speaker 2>i know whatever created that knock did it just to

927
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:58.239
<v Speaker 2>scare me. Now I'm going to walk slowly right by

928
00:48:58.280 --> 00:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>that barn. And it makes a lot of self control.

929
00:49:00.920 --> 00:49:04.480
<v Speaker 2>You almost have to separate from yourself because your body's gone,

930
00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing that, and you're like, okay, and then

931
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:08.800
<v Speaker 2>you just do it anyway.

932
00:49:08.800 --> 00:49:11.079
<v Speaker 3>Have that fight or flight response right.

933
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:13.079
<v Speaker 2>Right, and it's it's almost a matter of defeating that

934
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:16.079
<v Speaker 2>fight or flight response, and most of the time I

935
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 2>have an analyzed response, which I'm guessing is not always

936
00:49:19.039 --> 00:49:22.280
<v Speaker 2>a good good thing. If something's rushing at you and

937
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:24.880
<v Speaker 2>you go, I wonder what that is yet, and then

938
00:49:24.920 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 2>it hits you, Oh, okay, maybe I should have ducked

939
00:49:28.760 --> 00:49:29.280
<v Speaker 2>on that one.

940
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:31.199
<v Speaker 3>So it affects your reflexes.

941
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:40.039
<v Speaker 2>There's a graveyard over here, University graveyard, and if you've

942
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:42.840
<v Speaker 2>ever spent any time in it, it's a very old graveyard.

943
00:49:44.079 --> 00:49:46.880
<v Speaker 2>I've had so many strange experiences in this graveyard. And

944
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:51.000
<v Speaker 2>there's one point in the graveyard that you've on certain

945
00:49:51.039 --> 00:49:54.920
<v Speaker 2>days you will feel such oppression. It's almost unreal, like

946
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>you just have the feeling that whatever is there wants

947
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.800
<v Speaker 2>you out. And I have used that, and I've used

948
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 2>that showing other people how to overcome fear, because that's

949
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:07.599
<v Speaker 2>exactly where you walk through. And if you can do it,

950
00:50:07.679 --> 00:50:09.440
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it feels empowering if you can do it.

951
00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.360
<v Speaker 2>Some people simply can't do it, you know, they get

952
00:50:11.440 --> 00:50:14.840
<v Speaker 2>up to it and they're like nope, because it's a

953
00:50:14.920 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 2>palpable feeling of oppression. Right, But if you can sit

954
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:22.239
<v Speaker 2>there and walk through that area. It tends to dissipate

955
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.440
<v Speaker 2>if you do it. It's kind of interesting and where someone

956
00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:27.320
<v Speaker 2>might say, well, there's something there that really doesn't want

957
00:50:27.360 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 2>you there, I would say it's a gift. It's giving

958
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:33.199
<v Speaker 2>you this sense because it's giving you an opportunity to

959
00:50:33.239 --> 00:50:37.320
<v Speaker 2>overcome it that you don't normally have granted. Walking through it,

960
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:39.199
<v Speaker 2>you expect something to drop on you at any time.

961
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.199
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, what's going to fall out of the

962
00:50:42.199 --> 00:50:48.199
<v Speaker 2>tree on my back? So this is what you know,

963
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:50.440
<v Speaker 2>and having these Kundalini experiences is one of the reasons

964
00:50:50.519 --> 00:50:54.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't necessarily look at negative experiences as being bad experiences.

965
00:50:54.880 --> 00:50:56.960
<v Speaker 2>I've never walked, you know. When someone says, oh, I

966
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.960
<v Speaker 2>have these horrible abduction experiences that have aliens, I think, well,

967
00:51:01.960 --> 00:51:03.960
<v Speaker 2>maybe they're not as horrible as you think. Maybe if

968
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:07.679
<v Speaker 2>you didn't, if you overcame the fear of them, they

969
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:10.360
<v Speaker 2>would transcend to something else. And you do find that happening.

970
00:51:11.480 --> 00:51:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Whitley Streemer, when he first had his experiences, they were

971
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.840
<v Speaker 2>horrible experiences, you know, I mean he essentially was raped,

972
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 2>and over time he came to you know. The reason

973
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.960
<v Speaker 2>he named his book Communion is because he started to

974
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>have this communion with them, this connection with them where

975
00:51:27.039 --> 00:51:29.679
<v Speaker 2>he could you know, he was no longer afraid of them,

976
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:34.719
<v Speaker 2>and he seemed to be gaining something from contact with them.

977
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.639
<v Speaker 2>But I think fear is the fear is the key.

978
00:51:37.760 --> 00:51:40.159
<v Speaker 2>Fear's the thing that kills everything. If you're afraid, it's

979
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:42.199
<v Speaker 2>going to be a negative experience.

980
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:44.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, almost predetermined. Yes, you are already afraid.

981
00:51:44.880 --> 00:51:46.679
<v Speaker 2>The same if you have in Iowa. If you go

982
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.039
<v Speaker 2>into ayahuasca or DMT experience with fear, it's going to

983
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:54.239
<v Speaker 2>be a negative experience, especially ayahuasca, which can be so

984
00:51:54.400 --> 00:51:58.880
<v Speaker 2>affected by the area you're in, you know, the mindset

985
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:03.840
<v Speaker 2>you're in, Like any acid trip. Really, Yeah, I'm sure

986
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.239
<v Speaker 2>there are plenty of people listening who have had bad trips,

987
00:52:06.400 --> 00:52:08.760
<v Speaker 2>and I guarantee you there was some element of fear

988
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:09.679
<v Speaker 2>that started it off.

989
00:52:10.079 --> 00:52:11.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it's hard to get rid of.

990
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yes, if you're afraid, you're afraid, it's not you know.

991
00:52:15.400 --> 00:52:17.199
<v Speaker 2>That's why I say some of these experiences allowed me

992
00:52:17.280 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 2>to kind of disconnect, learn how to disconnect and just

993
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:23.159
<v Speaker 2>do it. Even for something like we had gone to

994
00:52:23.199 --> 00:52:25.800
<v Speaker 2>Darien Lake one year and they have the skydive thing

995
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 2>where they pick you way up in the air and

996
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:30.559
<v Speaker 2>you're looking down and you know it's safe, but your

997
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:33.639
<v Speaker 2>body's going you're not pushing that button, and you just

998
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:35.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of disconnect and push the button. You know, it's

999
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:39.719
<v Speaker 2>very easy once you know how to do it, and I.

1000
00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 3>Think that probably factors into a lot of people's paranormal encounters. Yes,

1001
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:45.280
<v Speaker 3>if you have the fear, you're going to have a

1002
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.679
<v Speaker 3>negative encounter or experience.

1003
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, absolutely. And I had one of the really weird

1004
00:52:53.119 --> 00:52:57.400
<v Speaker 2>ones that plagued me for a while. Anytime I went outside,

1005
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.840
<v Speaker 2>it would be dead silent, and if I tried to

1006
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:04.000
<v Speaker 2>walk around, it would sound like something was following me.

1007
00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:07.039
<v Speaker 2>There were no insects, there were no birds, sounds, it

1008
00:53:07.159 --> 00:53:11.440
<v Speaker 2>was only at night. Nothing. If I was with other people,

1009
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.679
<v Speaker 2>normal sounds. If I was by myself, dead silence, like

1010
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:20.360
<v Speaker 2>creepy silence. And this went on for months, Like someone

1011
00:53:20.400 --> 00:53:23.440
<v Speaker 2>would drop me off, come into my house, I'd go

1012
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.199
<v Speaker 2>outside with you know, perfect noise. They would leave and

1013
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.480
<v Speaker 2>all the sounds would just stop and I could walk

1014
00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.039
<v Speaker 2>around my yard and it would sound like something and

1015
00:53:31.039 --> 00:53:32.360
<v Speaker 2>it would freak me out to the point where I

1016
00:53:32.360 --> 00:53:34.639
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to go outside at night, Like I did,

1017
00:53:34.760 --> 00:53:37.599
<v Speaker 2>but I didn't. And finally one day, I said, that's it.

1018
00:53:37.639 --> 00:53:39.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna go out and I'm gonna sit there

1019
00:53:39.280 --> 00:53:42.400
<v Speaker 2>until it stops. And I went outside and I sat

1020
00:53:42.480 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 2>there and everything was dead quiet, and I just waited,

1021
00:53:44.920 --> 00:53:48.599
<v Speaker 2>and after about half an hour, the sounds just came

1022
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:51.599
<v Speaker 2>rushing back in and everything was normal. And I'm like, okay,

1023
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.239
<v Speaker 2>was that just another overcome your fear and just deal

1024
00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:56.760
<v Speaker 2>with this. I mean, nothing ever, I'd never saw anything,

1025
00:53:57.079 --> 00:54:02.480
<v Speaker 2>nothing ever attacked me. And the only thing I could

1026
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.639
<v Speaker 2>make of it was this was a matter of overcoming

1027
00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>fear because it gave you that that sort of chilled

1028
00:54:06.960 --> 00:54:09.440
<v Speaker 2>sensation like something was you know, you had that fight

1029
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:13.039
<v Speaker 2>or flight sort of response because it felt like something

1030
00:54:13.119 --> 00:54:15.960
<v Speaker 2>was right there, right about the pounce on you, and

1031
00:54:16.000 --> 00:54:17.079
<v Speaker 2>there was just nothing there.

1032
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:22.480
<v Speaker 3>So if there are people listening who might feel something

1033
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:25.000
<v Speaker 3>like connection to this kind of experience, what advice would

1034
00:54:25.000 --> 00:54:25.440
<v Speaker 3>you give them?

1035
00:54:25.760 --> 00:54:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Depends what they're experiencing, But I would say, don't be

1036
00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>afraid of it. I mean, because it is fear that

1037
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:37.239
<v Speaker 2>triggers the worst experiences. But it, you know, depending on

1038
00:54:37.280 --> 00:54:39.559
<v Speaker 2>what they're if they're blowing up computers and that's their

1039
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:43.320
<v Speaker 2>only symptom. There's meditation techniques to kind of balance out

1040
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:47.400
<v Speaker 2>your energy. Meditation generally works with a lot of stuff,

1041
00:54:49.239 --> 00:54:52.360
<v Speaker 2>you know. I mean, meditation is never a bad thing.

1042
00:54:52.679 --> 00:54:55.480
<v Speaker 3>Sure, many posts.

1043
00:54:56.159 --> 00:54:58.800
<v Speaker 2>So, but if people, like I said, if people want

1044
00:54:58.800 --> 00:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>to contact me, go to the website emails on there.

1045
00:55:01.039 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>You can contact me, ask questions. I'll do my best

1046
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 2>to help people out or at least point them in

1047
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:07.119
<v Speaker 2>the right direction.

1048
00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:10.599
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

1049
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the first time I've ever talked about a lot

1050
00:55:12.320 --> 00:55:16.480
<v Speaker 2>of that stuff. So that was not an easy bit

1051
00:55:16.559 --> 00:55:18.000
<v Speaker 2>for me to do here on this show. But I

1052
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:19.760
<v Speaker 2>think it's important and I want to see how it

1053
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 2>relates to to the work Stressman's done with DMT, because

1054
00:55:23.199 --> 00:55:25.840
<v Speaker 2>in reading through some of those DMT experiences, I think

1055
00:55:25.880 --> 00:55:28.639
<v Speaker 2>to myself, I've had some of these experiences, but I

1056
00:55:28.679 --> 00:55:29.880
<v Speaker 2>never connected it to DMT.

1057
00:55:31.760 --> 00:55:34.280
<v Speaker 3>Well, in his second book he connects it to connects

1058
00:55:34.320 --> 00:55:36.920
<v Speaker 3>it to the prophecies of the old Customer.

1059
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:38.519
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yeah, and so.

1060
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 3>Theoretically, I mean, if you're having a mystical experience, he

1061
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:44.360
<v Speaker 3>could call that a DMP trip. If we're talking about

1062
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:48.559
<v Speaker 3>before this kind of snake and this energy going up

1063
00:55:48.559 --> 00:55:51.320
<v Speaker 3>your spine to the base of your skull, that could

1064
00:55:51.320 --> 00:55:53.519
<v Speaker 3>be that explosion of energy and your nervous system could

1065
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:54.280
<v Speaker 3>release that.

1066
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:57.280
<v Speaker 2>That's true. That's true. I've also had one of the

1067
00:55:58.199 --> 00:56:03.079
<v Speaker 2>strangest experiences I've ever had. I had walked outside to

1068
00:56:03.079 --> 00:56:05.719
<v Speaker 2>the back of my house. Now, in the back area

1069
00:56:05.760 --> 00:56:08.360
<v Speaker 2>of my house, it is pitch black, so you can

1070
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:10.800
<v Speaker 2>look up see the milky Way clear as day. I mean,

1071
00:56:10.800 --> 00:56:14.320
<v Speaker 2>there's no light and it's awesome. And I would walk

1072
00:56:14.360 --> 00:56:16.880
<v Speaker 2>out there all the time. And I walked out one

1073
00:56:16.960 --> 00:56:19.960
<v Speaker 2>day and occasionally weird things would happen. And I walked

1074
00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:21.599
<v Speaker 2>out one day and I noticed. The first thing I

1075
00:56:21.639 --> 00:56:24.199
<v Speaker 2>noticed is there was a light in the field behind

1076
00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.000
<v Speaker 2>the house. Now there's no lights to this day, there's

1077
00:56:27.000 --> 00:56:30.280
<v Speaker 2>no lights in that field. And it was kind of

1078
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:33.039
<v Speaker 2>dim but very distinct, and it would kind of go

1079
00:56:33.039 --> 00:56:35.159
<v Speaker 2>on and off, like I think it was about a

1080
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:37.960
<v Speaker 2>seven second cycle. And initially I didn't think much of it.

1081
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:42.159
<v Speaker 2>Felt great, felt perfectly normal, full moon out. I look

1082
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:44.239
<v Speaker 2>up and I watched the moon kind of go behind

1083
00:56:44.280 --> 00:56:46.599
<v Speaker 2>the clouds just a little bit, and then the moon

1084
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.800
<v Speaker 2>pops through the clouds and starts shaking, and I went,

1085
00:56:50.119 --> 00:56:53.000
<v Speaker 2>that's one hell of an optical illusion. And I kind

1086
00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:54.679
<v Speaker 2>of looked down and kind of shook, you know, tried

1087
00:56:54.719 --> 00:56:56.280
<v Speaker 2>to shake it off and look back up. Okay, it's

1088
00:56:56.320 --> 00:56:58.000
<v Speaker 2>behind the clouds again, and then it pop through the

1089
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:00.480
<v Speaker 2>clouds and start shaking again, and I'm going, all right,

1090
00:57:01.199 --> 00:57:04.880
<v Speaker 2>what optical illusion can cause that to happen? And then

1091
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.239
<v Speaker 2>I got it, And this has happened to me before,

1092
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and I know other people it's happened to. A flash

1093
00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.079
<v Speaker 2>of light lights up the entire landscape, almost like someone

1094
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 2>took a picture. It's like everything's lit up, and then

1095
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.960
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of decays. And I went, Okay, we're

1096
00:57:22.000 --> 00:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>doing this great. And every time I look at the

1097
00:57:24.360 --> 00:57:26.239
<v Speaker 2>moon it does that same thing. And then I start

1098
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 2>paying attention to that light and I'm like, what is

1099
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 2>that light? And I'm noticing that if I look at

1100
00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 2>the light, it'll continue its cycle until it goes off,

1101
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and then it won't come back on till I look away.

1102
00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:41.320
<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, all right, now it's getting weird. Not

1103
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:43.440
<v Speaker 2>that the other stuff wasn't weird, but at the time

1104
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:47.679
<v Speaker 2>I had no way to comprehend all these experiences. I'm thinking, Okay,

1105
00:57:47.760 --> 00:57:53.199
<v Speaker 2>I've never done drugs. I don't drink, so I wasn't

1106
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:55.800
<v Speaker 2>in an impaired state of mind in any way. In fact,

1107
00:57:55.920 --> 00:57:57.559
<v Speaker 2>I was in a very clear state of mind, but

1108
00:57:57.599 --> 00:57:59.840
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean I wasn't experiencing some level of DMT.

1109
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:05.599
<v Speaker 2>It also that light could have been some kind of

1110
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:09.400
<v Speaker 2>electrical activity from the Earth, you know, some kind of

1111
00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:12.400
<v Speaker 2>plasma formation or something like that that was in turn

1112
00:58:12.559 --> 00:58:15.760
<v Speaker 2>affecting me and affecting the way I was seeing reality

1113
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>around me, the same with the flashes of light I

1114
00:58:18.440 --> 00:58:23.719
<v Speaker 2>was experiencing. And it took me so like, I just

1115
00:58:23.760 --> 00:58:25.960
<v Speaker 2>pretty much wrote down that experience and when I have

1116
00:58:26.079 --> 00:58:28.440
<v Speaker 2>no idea what to make of this. It wasn't a

1117
00:58:28.480 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>negative experience, but damn was it weird. And it wasn't

1118
00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.519
<v Speaker 2>til years later when I discovered Paul Devereux's work where

1119
00:58:35.559 --> 00:58:38.039
<v Speaker 2>he had the earthlight theories of UFOs and shows how

1120
00:58:38.840 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 2>tend to manifest around fault lines, and it's like, okay,

1121
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.400
<v Speaker 2>so maybe it was an energy thing. And then when

1122
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:47.599
<v Speaker 2>I got to Strassman's work, it was like, maybe it

1123
00:58:47.639 --> 00:58:51.199
<v Speaker 2>was a DMT experience, very mild one, triggered maybe by

1124
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Earth energy, which is one of the things I wonder

1125
00:58:54.440 --> 00:58:58.719
<v Speaker 2>about UFOs, if that Earth energy might be triggering DMT

1126
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.719
<v Speaker 2>in us When we have that DMT triggered, then we're

1127
00:59:02.760 --> 00:59:05.199
<v Speaker 2>having the abduction experience because now we're open to it.

1128
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:09.360
<v Speaker 3>The last recorded case, I mean, when someone has a

1129
00:59:09.480 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 3>spiritual awakening or at least reaches that stage with some background,

1130
00:59:14.280 --> 00:59:18.719
<v Speaker 3>they can look at themselves inwardly and go into a

1131
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.239
<v Speaker 3>state of bliss great which I mean that. I mean

1132
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 3>if you have control over that, and then pretty great.

1133
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:25.960
<v Speaker 2>And in a sense, that's that's the goal of like

1134
00:59:26.239 --> 00:59:28.840
<v Speaker 2>what Aleister Crowley was trying to do, right, you know

1135
00:59:28.960 --> 00:59:31.559
<v Speaker 2>that that style of magic is meant to know yourself,

1136
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.400
<v Speaker 2>to get as he put it, conversation with the Holy

1137
00:59:34.440 --> 00:59:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and Guardian Angel, holy Guardian Angel, which was your higher self.

1138
00:59:39.280 --> 00:59:42.519
<v Speaker 2>And that's kind of what I was following. So I

1139
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:45.360
<v Speaker 2>had all these things sort of running at the same time,

1140
00:59:45.400 --> 00:59:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and then would just have these bizarre experiences mixed in

1141
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.480
<v Speaker 2>where I was like, what am I supposed to learn

1142
00:59:49.480 --> 00:59:51.679
<v Speaker 2>from that? You know, I never took it as something's

1143
00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:53.239
<v Speaker 2>attacking me. I never took it as.

1144
00:59:54.960 --> 00:59:55.360
<v Speaker 4>Random.

1145
00:59:55.440 --> 00:59:57.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like, Okay, what was this meant to teach me?

1146
00:59:58.599 --> 00:59:58.800
<v Speaker 3>Right?

1147
00:59:59.480 --> 01:00:01.719
<v Speaker 2>And that and with the light in the field took

1148
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 2>me a long time.

1149
01:00:03.719 --> 01:00:06.000
<v Speaker 3>As you're looking at it constructively.

1150
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.880
<v Speaker 2>True and it was just like, this is ridiculous. This

1151
01:00:08.960 --> 01:00:10.719
<v Speaker 2>is the weird you know, of all the weird things

1152
01:00:10.719 --> 01:00:12.480
<v Speaker 2>that have happened, this is by far the weirdest, because

1153
01:00:12.480 --> 01:00:15.679
<v Speaker 2>that light was interacting with me on a conscious level,

1154
01:00:16.039 --> 01:00:17.840
<v Speaker 2>and I'm thinking, why didn't I walk back into that

1155
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:19.519
<v Speaker 2>field to see what the No, I know why I

1156
01:00:19.519 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 2>didn't walk back into that There's a level even I'm

1157
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:23.800
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to get over at that

1158
01:00:23.880 --> 01:00:27.840
<v Speaker 2>point because I had no idea how far back it was.

1159
01:00:27.960 --> 01:00:31.280
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't a bright light, but it was distinctly in

1160
01:00:31.320 --> 01:00:34.960
<v Speaker 2>that field, and it was impossible to ignore the flashes

1161
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:37.159
<v Speaker 2>of light. Other people have experienced. I know people who

1162
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.679
<v Speaker 2>have had no other paranormal experience, but they've seen those

1163
01:00:39.679 --> 01:00:41.760
<v Speaker 2>flashes of light like someone's taking a picture of them.

1164
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:45.000
<v Speaker 2>John Keel even mentions it in one of his books

1165
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.199
<v Speaker 2>that he would have that experience every time he moved,

1166
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:50.440
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, it never happened any other time, but

1167
01:00:50.519 --> 01:00:52.320
<v Speaker 2>he would be moving, he would be like about to

1168
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.519
<v Speaker 2>leave his place, and he'd get that weird flash of light.

1169
01:00:57.599 --> 01:01:02.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's a very odd sort of component. Yeah, and

1170
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:04.960
<v Speaker 2>it's distinct, Like I said, I mean, everything lights up.

1171
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 2>You can visibly see everything around you, and then it

1172
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.519
<v Speaker 2>just fades back down like like a camera flash with

1173
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that break poof and then so all right, well we're

1174
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:21.280
<v Speaker 2>almost out of time somehow. Anything else that you were curious.

1175
01:01:20.920 --> 01:01:28.000
<v Speaker 3>About, Ah, well, it seems like a very complex situation. Yeah,

1176
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:32.559
<v Speaker 3>it's it's hard to navigate through something that is spontaneous

1177
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:33.639
<v Speaker 3>if you have no background.

1178
01:01:34.280 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and again that's why I wanted to do this.

1179
01:01:37.400 --> 01:01:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to give people that you know, if you're

1180
01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:43.199
<v Speaker 2>experiencing these things, this might be what you're what you're experiencing,

1181
01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:45.639
<v Speaker 2>even if it's not horrible, even if you're getting a

1182
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:49.440
<v Speaker 2>few of these little things, it might be that you

1183
01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:50.760
<v Speaker 2>have some Kundalini waking.

1184
01:01:50.639 --> 01:01:53.000
<v Speaker 3>Up, which again is a good thing.

1185
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, in the end, it's a good thing. It's it's

1186
01:01:55.400 --> 01:01:57.559
<v Speaker 2>the not knowing what it is or how to deal

1187
01:01:57.599 --> 01:02:01.480
<v Speaker 2>with it that was the bad thing. Really really, like

1188
01:02:01.480 --> 01:02:04.039
<v Speaker 2>I said, it pretty much ruined my life. Not that

1189
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:06.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm unhappy where my life has ended up, but at

1190
01:02:06.960 --> 01:02:11.239
<v Speaker 2>the time I was particularly happy with it. So well,

1191
01:02:11.280 --> 01:02:13.280
<v Speaker 2>I thank you for sitting in with me on this one,

1192
01:02:14.679 --> 01:02:16.159
<v Speaker 2>because that was that was hard for.

1193
01:02:16.079 --> 01:02:16.480
<v Speaker 4>Me to do.

1194
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I'm always willing to absorb.

1195
01:02:20.239 --> 01:02:20.880
<v Speaker 4>And next week.

1196
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:22.719
<v Speaker 2>Next Week is a pre record that we did with

1197
01:02:23.440 --> 01:02:26.400
<v Speaker 2>As I said, Alta and Chad Dillard.

1198
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:27.920
<v Speaker 3>Who also have a lot of weird experiences.

1199
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:28.320
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

1200
01:02:28.400 --> 01:02:31.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they didn't say anything that implied that there was

1201
01:02:31.760 --> 01:02:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Kundolini going on.

1202
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.440
<v Speaker 3>They were very blase about it.

1203
01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:38.039
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, well I think they got to the point

1204
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:39.960
<v Speaker 2>where they realized, oh knows what this.

1205
01:02:39.960 --> 01:02:41.719
<v Speaker 3>Is, you know, just kind of give up and say

1206
01:02:41.719 --> 01:02:43.119
<v Speaker 3>it happens so And.

1207
01:02:44.119 --> 01:02:46.599
<v Speaker 2>You know, I've I've touched on a couple of experiences here,

1208
01:02:46.639 --> 01:02:50.519
<v Speaker 2>but I've had a lifetime of these weird type of

1209
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:54.760
<v Speaker 2>things happening that don't necessarily like theirs, aren't related to

1210
01:02:54.840 --> 01:02:58.679
<v Speaker 2>one another necessarily, like one of the ones. I am

1211
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.880
<v Speaker 2>working on a book about all this. I have no

1212
01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:02.400
<v Speaker 2>idea what it's going to be done, because I took

1213
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot of notes about a lot of stuff, and

1214
01:03:04.920 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 2>it's taken me a long time to get through it.

1215
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.199
<v Speaker 2>When I pulled into my drive this is the saying

1216
01:03:11.239 --> 01:03:12.960
<v Speaker 2>I totally forgot about it. I pulled into my driveway

1217
01:03:12.960 --> 01:03:17.000
<v Speaker 2>one day and it's a long driveway, and as I'm

1218
01:03:17.079 --> 01:03:19.360
<v Speaker 2>driving down the driveway, I see a ball of light

1219
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.440
<v Speaker 2>just kind of ignite on one side, almost like a

1220
01:03:21.440 --> 01:03:24.199
<v Speaker 2>bunch of sparklers put together and it rolls across the

1221
01:03:24.280 --> 01:03:26.079
<v Speaker 2>driveway and it gets to the other side and it

1222
01:03:26.159 --> 01:03:31.960
<v Speaker 2>just goes out. And I said, okay, great, and then

1223
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:34.039
<v Speaker 2>I parked and I went over there and there's nothing there.

1224
01:03:34.039 --> 01:03:37.079
<v Speaker 2>And I went house, you know, because these things happen,

1225
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's you know, I don't know that there was

1226
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:42.119
<v Speaker 2>really anything to learn from it other than these things happened,

1227
01:03:43.639 --> 01:03:46.039
<v Speaker 2>not connected. Nothing like that ever happened.

1228
01:03:46.039 --> 01:03:46.320
<v Speaker 4>Again.

1229
01:03:48.239 --> 01:03:51.440
<v Speaker 2>I had a and this was a weird one. I

1230
01:03:51.480 --> 01:03:55.000
<v Speaker 2>had a Batha Ma necklace. Now, Bethame is the symbol

1231
01:03:55.039 --> 01:03:57.639
<v Speaker 2>you find on the Church of Satan's or the it's

1232
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:01.239
<v Speaker 2>the Church of satan symbol. It's the upside down pentagram

1233
01:04:01.239 --> 01:04:04.679
<v Speaker 2>with the goat in it. And this was when I

1234
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:08.239
<v Speaker 2>was very much into the Ante LaVey's work, and I

1235
01:04:08.320 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 2>liked the symbolism of bath Mate. It was also the

1236
01:04:10.639 --> 01:04:13.360
<v Speaker 2>sign of the Knight's templar. One of the reasons it

1237
01:04:13.400 --> 01:04:15.519
<v Speaker 2>was vilified is because the church went against you know,

1238
01:04:15.920 --> 01:04:18.800
<v Speaker 2>took down the Knight's templar. And it's a symbol of

1239
01:04:18.840 --> 01:04:22.760
<v Speaker 2>earthly power and dominion and things like that. But it's

1240
01:04:22.840 --> 01:04:26.000
<v Speaker 2>basically a power symbol. And I had this necklace for

1241
01:04:26.039 --> 01:04:28.000
<v Speaker 2>a long time. And one day I got home from

1242
01:04:28.000 --> 01:04:29.239
<v Speaker 2>work and I got out of the car and it

1243
01:04:29.239 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 2>fell off, and I went, ah, damn, the chain broke

1244
01:04:33.760 --> 01:04:35.519
<v Speaker 2>and I picked it up, and the chain wasn't broken.

1245
01:04:37.239 --> 01:04:43.800
<v Speaker 2>So the necklace without breaking the chain fell off, which

1246
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:48.199
<v Speaker 2>is entirely impossible. Yeah, it didn't, you know, like it

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01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.079
<v Speaker 2>didn't come over my head. It actually didn't fit over

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01:04:50.079 --> 01:04:52.920
<v Speaker 2>my head. I had to latchet, so it just fell

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01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.719
<v Speaker 2>straight down in my shirt and landed on my foot,

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01:04:56.079 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was assumed the chain broke and picked it

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01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:00.519
<v Speaker 2>up and the chain still whole, and I went, so

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01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:04.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm not supposed to wear this anymore. Apparently that's done.

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01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:06.320
<v Speaker 2>It's like, I guess I'll just hang that from the

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01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 2>mirror of the car and we're done, all right. So

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<v Speaker 2>when things like that happened, I mean, what do you

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01:05:12.559 --> 01:05:14.599
<v Speaker 2>make of it? What does it mean about reality when

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01:05:14.639 --> 01:05:15.960
<v Speaker 2>something like that happens.

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01:05:16.679 --> 01:05:18.119
<v Speaker 3>As long as you're willing to cope.

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<v Speaker 2>With in them, it's true, true, And I'm sure there's

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<v Speaker 2>people out there going because it was an evil symbol,

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01:05:23.280 --> 01:05:23.679
<v Speaker 2>that's why.

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<v Speaker 4>But I didn't.

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01:05:25.320 --> 01:05:28.840
<v Speaker 2>It wasn't an evil symbol to me. If anything, it

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01:05:28.840 --> 01:05:31.960
<v Speaker 2>was a protective symbol to me, and I actually hung

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01:05:31.960 --> 01:05:33.960
<v Speaker 2>it from the car miror and a friend of mine

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01:05:34.000 --> 01:05:35.760
<v Speaker 2>had pointed out I took it down from the car

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01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:37.920
<v Speaker 2>mirror because I always said, oh, I protect the car now,

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01:05:38.719 --> 01:05:40.480
<v Speaker 2>and I took it down off the car mirror for

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01:05:40.480 --> 01:05:42.519
<v Speaker 2>some reason. And like within the week the car got

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01:05:42.519 --> 01:05:45.320
<v Speaker 2>totaled and I didn't even think about it. And she's going,

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01:05:45.360 --> 01:05:47.079
<v Speaker 2>you took that off the mirror, and I'm going, what

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01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:51.519
<v Speaker 2>I did take that off the mirror? So all right, well,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you again, Luke, no problem, and our next live

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01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.360
<v Speaker 2>interview would be in two weeks with I cannot remember

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01:06:00.360 --> 01:06:03.800
<v Speaker 2>his name and I feel really bad about it, Michael Hughes.

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<v Speaker 2>And my computer is frozen. Thank you computer. All right,

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01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.599
<v Speaker 2>go to Where to the Roadgo dot com and you

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01:06:12.639 --> 01:06:14.920
<v Speaker 2>can find out about that. And as I said, I

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<v Speaker 2>also have the interview. Oh now you're gonna work, okay. Yeah,

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01:06:18.320 --> 01:06:20.880
<v Speaker 2>so we got Alter and Chad next week. There's actually

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01:06:20.880 --> 01:06:24.119
<v Speaker 2>three parts of that interview that we did because they

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01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:26.039
<v Speaker 2>had so much stuff, and I'm sure they had even more.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, Michael m Hughes and he actually lives in Baltimore,

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01:06:30.519 --> 01:06:32.079
<v Speaker 2>so he didn't get back to me for a while,

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01:06:32.280 --> 01:06:34.559
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, huh, he seemed really into coming

1286
01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:35.840
<v Speaker 2>on the show. And then he gets back to me

1287
01:06:35.840 --> 01:06:39.079
<v Speaker 2>He's like, Okay, riots had to be a little a

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01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:42.159
<v Speaker 2>little busy, and uh, sorry for the delay. And I

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01:06:42.239 --> 01:06:45.440
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh, yeah, that makes sense. But I had

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01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:47.840
<v Speaker 2>heard him on Coast to Coast and he was absolutely fantastic,

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01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:49.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think you're gonna really be interested in the

1292
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:53.000
<v Speaker 2>stuff he's going to talk about. Sure, so all right,

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01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:55.360
<v Speaker 2>where the roadgo? Dot com of course is the website.

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01:06:55.840 --> 01:06:59.679
<v Speaker 2>And this is some psyche corporation. And I know, apparently

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01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:02.519
<v Speaker 2>I don't say that very clear, and I've had a

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01:07:02.559 --> 01:07:04.719
<v Speaker 2>number of people ask me what I'm saying. Psyche is

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01:07:04.719 --> 01:07:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in psychic ps c h wait ps. That's what happens

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01:07:12.039 --> 01:07:14.360
<v Speaker 2>when I try to think about it too hard. It

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<v Speaker 2>is not on my screen. Yes, y h, thank you.

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01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:21.360
<v Speaker 2>I thought too hard about it and then I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>get it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, this is why I'm here.

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<v Speaker 2>Corporate, thank you so much. Corporation and Psyche Corporation. Dot

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01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:29.639
<v Speaker 2>com is her website. If you want to check out

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01:07:29.639 --> 01:07:32.280
<v Speaker 2>more stuff, we'll see you next week.

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<v Speaker 7>Come in. Do you read me?

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<v Speaker 8>Do you understand the numbers pling over your connection to singing,

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01:07:44.480 --> 01:07:46.800
<v Speaker 8>pingchuns miss.

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<v Speaker 9>Time be hide cut outside time. Can you hear the

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01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:12.079
<v Speaker 9>ball and you're climbing stirring out of the ball?

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01:08:14.079 --> 01:08:20.920
<v Speaker 10>Can you hear the load lestoring of the world, want.

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01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:28.199
<v Speaker 9>To the hill, lettoring off the wall, ning of come in,

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01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:32.159
<v Speaker 9>come in. We hear you loud and clear, beginning a

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01:08:32.319 --> 01:08:33.880
<v Speaker 9>conversion of the signal.

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<v Speaker 6>Here you front forty hundred twenty scause.

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<v Speaker 5>It's kind of tan.

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01:08:40.279 --> 01:08:42.479
<v Speaker 6>Saying whens came this.

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<v Speaker 9>From an antwera, I sighed you two the bars. Can

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01:08:55.520 --> 01:08:59.319
<v Speaker 9>you hear the ball had planning stirring out?

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<v Speaker 6>Can you hear the language?

1321
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:06.199
<v Speaker 7>Who is the longing out?

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01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:13.079
<v Speaker 10>Can you hear the ball light plays the worrying all

1323
01:09:13.319 --> 01:09:23.119
<v Speaker 10>the world? Those great and miserable, impiable smash, He's this

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01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:28.800
<v Speaker 10>time to start for stature magic.

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<v Speaker 8>No, it's time to be where you are, getting to

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01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:35.760
<v Speaker 8>the heart of the own of those but your consentatory hit.

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<v Speaker 3>There's not the fifteen hundred lady sun and content.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm content?

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<v Speaker 8>Can you have?

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<v Speaker 7>Language is the worry of the world?

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<v Speaker 10>Can you hear the language is the worry of the world.

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01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.119
<v Speaker 3>Can you hear the light.

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01:10:06.359 --> 01:10:08.720
<v Speaker 4>Plase the wearing of the world.

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<v Speaker 10>Can you hear the doll light plase, the warming of.

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01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:17.439
<v Speaker 9>The world, wearing off the world.

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<v Speaker 7>Take a moment to think about a delicious chunk of

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01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:31.399
<v Speaker 7>Cadbury dairy milk chocolate and that familiar sensation as it melts,

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01:10:32.239 --> 01:10:38.079
<v Speaker 7>slowly covering every inch of your mouth, The unmistakable taste

1339
01:10:38.159 --> 01:10:42.760
<v Speaker 7>that stays with you long after you've finished it. Now,

1340
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:49.439
<v Speaker 7>try thinking about something else. Hard, isn't it Cadbury dairy milk,

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01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:51.800
<v Speaker 7>the taste of a glass and a half