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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clovers fans, Welcome to season three,

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episode thirty two of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck

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Mockler joined by Adam Osen will Updyke mysteriously not here.

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I hope he's okay.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll get some practice footage from him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, he's up on the vents and into it,

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trying to get real footage. We are here today to

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talk about the Kawhi Leonard returning rumors that have been

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started completely by Bill Simmons and Patrick Beverley. The team

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hasn't really done anything. There was a video of Kawhi

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shooting around pregame that we're gonna show y'all that looked

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actually like it was taken by someone in the heating

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events at into it. We're gonna talk about what happened

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against the Wolves, mostly bad things, and then a little

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bit of talk about the game on Sunday against the

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team that really does seem to have our number in

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the Houston Rockets. But before we get into that, the

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people are wondering, Adam, how the hell are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good. All is well on my side. Got three

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days off here, Clippers only playing the three games the

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next thirteen days it is hard to believe we.

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Speaker 1: Got full leisure. Adam. Right now, you're gonna be in

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a Hawaiian shirt with a beach background at the next show.

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Speaker 2: Tommy Bahama, Adam.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, Okay, so let's let's just get right

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into it. No pun intended. The Kawhi bobblehead date was

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announced yesterday and it's going to be December sixteenth against

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the Utah Jazz. I was excited to see this. I

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guess it was cool. The bibblehead itself is very fun.

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It's Kawhi on a shelf noted, not Clippers insider at

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any time, at any time. I want to make that clear.

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Bill's Simmons said that his Clippers guy and Adam you

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can correct me if I'm wrong on that, But I

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don't think Bill Simmons has ever been a Clippers news yeah, Fuller.

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Speaker 2: Well, he's a Clippers fan. He comes to some games,

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he's not as big of a fan. That's his West

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Coast team. His real team is the Boston Celtics. I

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don't think he's had as good of a track record

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with things or has been on it, like maybe Skip

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Bayless has in the past, where people you know in

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hindsight said, Hey, actually Skip was right about something.

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Speaker 1: I don't think anyone said that about Bill Simmons and

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the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: No, I can't recall a time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, his Clippers guy, these are Bill Simmons words told

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him that Kawhi would be back before Christmas. The other

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piece of evidence that we have for people to judge themselves,

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because we're just presenting information and then of course we're

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gonna talk about how we feel about it, but right

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now this is just uh kind of us presenting it.

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There was a video taken. We're gonna screen share because

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we have that ability on this podcast. There was a

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there was a video taken. I'm gonna do my best

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at zoom in here of Kawhi basically kind of doing

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what we saw him doing that other time we saw

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him pre game shooting when he was recovering from injury

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in Golden State. This came out like I think yesterday,

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it was before the game. People were excited. I was

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a little surprised I didn't get more attraction. But it's

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the first like actual basketball that we've seen Kawhi Leonard play,

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So all those things have added up into the I

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would say minor frenzy people. Clippers fans have been on

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this this rodeo before, so it's not like we're exactly

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popping bottles and things like that. How are we feel

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he also hasn't practiced yet? Well, I think that's a

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very important detail. Some people are not if they're missing,

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but should consider Adam. Now that I've spoken for almost

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three uninterrupted minutes, I apologize for that. How where we at?

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Speaker 2: Well, you bring up the biggest and most important point there,

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He hasn't practiced and checking the box of doing five

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on five stuff in practice, I think is the last thing.

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And from that video, I would still say he's a

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ways off. Is it feasible that he plays in December? Yeah,

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I think that's possible. It depends what else has he

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done that we haven't seen, because I don't know if

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most people even would have thought he was doing a

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movement like he just did on that three pointer. By

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the way, was being.

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Speaker 1: Talked about anything right like we've only seen Like yeah, no,

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you're right, Like the way it's been discussed is like

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strengthening his kneeback. So in your head, if you're a

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Clippers fan, you go too. So he's like having trouble

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sitting down like that. What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: I wonder if they've been trying to undersell and over

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deliver here. And Kauai actually has been doing more stuff

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behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: For the first time in the two and three era history.

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Speaker 2: But nobody ever knows what he's up to or what

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his training actually is. We get reports from players who

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have trained with him and talk about how intense it is.

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But he had been talking about this summer right around

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the time of the setback, right after Temosa, that he

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was doing his usual training regiment during the summer, and

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then the Clippers were like, Okay, we got to slow

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this thing down. I think there's a real possibility that

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they are being so overly cautious that it has led

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us all to believe that he's just not progressing as

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fast in his recovery from the knee as they had

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wanted him to. But maybe it's not that. Maybe it's

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as simple as we're not going to play him till

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we know he's one hundred or one hundred and fifty

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percent healthy, and we're already the twenty five percent of

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the way through the season. So when he comes back

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and he's still gonna miss back to back, so I'm

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sure that means at most he's playing thirty five forty

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games somewhere in there, and that's just their plan to

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have them for the playoffs. It's all about the playoffs.

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They're all in with Kawhi and actually having him being

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able to finish a playoff series. So therefore they have

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held him back so much with just an abundance of caution.

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Speaker 1: And things are going well. It's the other part I

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think that is making this or has made this easier

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for Clippers fans myself included. Right, it's not like the

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Clippers are floundering. We've we've been sold that bill of

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goods in the preseason about defense and it's here and

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that's that makes all of us pretty excited and why

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we're in this situation we're in. Yeah, I before Christmas

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is the thing that hangs up with me because that's

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in twenty days and I don't know the practice windows

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for They're already tired. They're gonna be taken some days off.

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But yeah, you mentioned the part about being you know,

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one hundred percent that he because they don't want him

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to go back out obviously was that's never wanted, but

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that's been specifically reiterated by Lawrence Frank and ty Lou

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about like, once he's back, we're going into this with

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no expectation that he will be taking another break.

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Speaker 2: You wonder if just they saw the doctor recommendation or

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the training staff recommendation and they said, Okay, you're saying

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this long, we're gonna double that.

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Speaker 1: Let's yeah, let's let's add another hole. Let's add another

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one hundred percent right on top of that. I don't

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know if Kawi might have pushed back on that. Maybe

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if that was the case.

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and I talked with Lot Murray about this earlier, but

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there was that preseason game in San Diego where coach

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Lou used the words even if it pisses him off

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when it comes to holding Kawhi back and himself, I

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think there's a real chance that Kawhi has felt like

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he's much closer than the team has felt like he

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should be already back by this point.

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Speaker 1: I like that idea. I think that's a good call

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because the guys always want to play.

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Speaker 2: And Kawhi doesn't do much else. He's not on social media.

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Speaker 1: He goes to certain establishments. We know that he does

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enjoy a night club of sorts. Sometimes he doesn't.

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Speaker 2: He's a basketball junkie.

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Speaker 1: He's got a hoverboard. He's got at least on moverboard.

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Speaker 2: He's a real hooper and he wants to play. This

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is why he trains so hard during the offseason to

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get to actually play in games.

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Speaker 1: So with all of these pieces, and I think we can,

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I'm gonna go ahead and rank these pieces of which

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I have the most stock in of making me if

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I were to think that Kawhi Leonard was coming before Christmas,

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which I'm still like, I think I'm fifty to fifty

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just because we've heard all the costs though right oh agreed,

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not a bad place to be. They've wanted to be

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overly cautious. He hasn't practiced yet. Things are going well,

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which I think in their head maybe buys them, you know,

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some more of that time to add on top to

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kind of piss KOI off, as he said a little

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bit in terms of holding him out, because I think

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that it does play a factor a little bit. It

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has to. It's not like if this team was two

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and whatever that they'd be like just chill, like, there's

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no draft picks. We have to try and win a championship.

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We're not gonna don't think we're finishing better than the Rockets.

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No disrespect to how well the Clippers have played.

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Speaker 2: They're playing great, and yet the Houston Rockets seem like

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they're shooting to the moon right now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I'm putting the Bill Simmons thing dead last strictly

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for the fact that the man has never broken anything

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about the Clippers. I think he only watches the Clippers

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for schadenfreud. And that's the very dead last for me.

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The Bobblehead thing and I'm wearing my tinfoil hat from

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the Lockdown Clipper days. Did you watch the bobblehead promo

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for that is a promo that if he does not

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play on that night. The way that that promo is,

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I'm just like, people are gonna be so fucking pissed.

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It's Kawai scanning is I'm not saying there, I'm not

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saying this is like dots gonna extect. But it's a

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big swing for the social media team to have Kawai

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scanning his face. Go returning back to the into It

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Dome doing all that stuff is all I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: His bobblehead first, bobblehead. But it's his bobblehead doing all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not actually quiet, Yeah, that would be I'd

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be like, oh, they're setting themselves up for the worst

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failure in the world. I'm probably at like forty sixty

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on it on him coming back before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting is because the game.

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Speaker 1: Too, as you mentioned, I was like, I don't know

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he was doing all that.

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Speaker 2: I guess that game though, on the sixteenth, just got

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scheduled two days ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true, right after the Clippers lost or game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right after the n season tournament game was over

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and they won big over the Portland Trail Blazers, but

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it didn't matter. Their chances of making the knockout round

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were over back when okay, see select the Utah Jazz.

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So they had a choice, right, Could they not have

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done it that night? Could they have pushed it back

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even further? Is that possible?

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Speaker 1: I would think so, right, because they were TVD for

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Speaker 2: How many games do they play at home in December?

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Speaker 1: Near I thought it was Elf on the Shelf themed.

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It was a Santa clause.

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Speaker 2: No, I think you're right.

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Speaker 1: I just us know.

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Speaker 2: It's always clause with a K for Kawhi Leonard. It

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has been this for a while.

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Speaker 1: So you're asking their how many home games in December?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's nearest to Christmas because they do have some

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time off around there.

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Speaker 1: December twenty seventh, that's the Warriors game. Yeah, and that's

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past Christmas and what's before writings literally the Jazz game.

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Speaker 2: So that's all they got they got, so absolutely yeah,

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it doesn't mean anything. It doesn't mean anything.

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Speaker 1: They would go Jazz Clippers Monday the sixteenth, or on

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the road the nineteenth, or on the road the twenty first,

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the twenty third, Because I was.

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Speaker 2: Going to say if they had a game at home

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on the twenty third or the twenty fourth or the

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twenty second, and they could have chose that game instead

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right before Christmas. Yeah, but that's not the case. They're

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for a Christmas theme.

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Speaker 1: Bobblehead, knowing how these things go, he's going to come

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back the twenty seventh, and I can say I told

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you he wasn't coming back before Christmas.

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when he's coming back, right.

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like it's like the middle of like even the middle

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of November. Like, Yeah, there's not a lot of time

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before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: There's no way they can have a plan set date

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for when Kawi is coming because tomorrow he could do

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an exercise and his knee doesn't like it, and therefore

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it's gone and they move the date back further. I

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think it's that simple right now, during this load up

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ramp up, during this progression.

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Speaker 1: But some of us have winter madness, so we're trying

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to connect these dots.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I can understand why.

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Speaker 1: Oh, and that's the other thing, like it makes sense

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for some There's been times in the past where it's like,

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why are we getting excited this one? There is some

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smoke to it, right, Like there's a little bit of

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smoke to it.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I heard about the workout earlier yesterday. I was

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gonna say anything, but now the video is out that

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of course everybody knows, and and the Clipper Spirit are

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right there, so this was going to get out. They knew, like,

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there's plenty of people there. It's not like it was

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completely closed off or as much as you try to

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contain something like that. And I'm not saying the Clipper

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Spirit stops snitching or something like that, like it's just we.

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Speaker 1: Are pro Clipper Spirit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's far too many people there for nobody to

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find out about this, right right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, It's not like when remember when Doc He's to

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have those closed pregame run throughs where you go into

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Staples and they'd have all their and hung up, like

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what are they doing? Like, oh, working on defensive concepts?

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You're like, well, the games in an hour.

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Speaker 2: I did. I did see some black curtains there yesterday

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when I first got there around four thirty.

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They can't have you out there. The masses would go crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doing cause a riot or anything like that. It's

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like the end of the movie Perfume.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged. I am that.

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Speaker 1: I think encouraged is the perfect spot to be at.

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I'm encouraged. That's exactly why I'm like, great, cool, he's

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doing more than I thought he was, which I guess

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in my head was walking around. I didn't really think

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he was anything other than that. And I don't mean

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that in the mean way. But like, we don't have

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any information.

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Speaker 2: That little crossover step back three left wing, nothing but

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net looks like Kawhi and me. Now again, he's got

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to go through some real practices. And once we hear

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about that, who knows what's been happening? What else has

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been happening behind the scenes, because nobody probably would have

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expected that yesterday, so other stuff could be happening. But

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until we hear from La Murray and the Good Clippers

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Beat writers that Kawhi is practicing today, I can't say

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he's that close. That's the obvious tell of how close

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he's getting. When is he showing up for practice? And

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then does he practice two days in a row. Should

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they have that much time? I mean they might, they

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might over this little stretch which does tie in.

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Speaker 1: This schedule helps which we haven't really talked about right

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like that they don't They have actual rest coming up,

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which is good. It's not like Kawhi has been doing

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anything other than resting. But there's time to get real

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practices and these the team isn't practice, Like I don't

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know how many people know that, but like it's the

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team isn't if there's one day off in between games,

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the team isn't doing a full practice in between them,

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you know what I mean, Like they're not running hard

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in between those games. Like this has been a brutal schedule.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it possible that maybe the plan was all along

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the front office, the training staff, the doctors. They looked

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at the schedule and said, oh, they don't have two

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consecutive days off once in November. Yeah, that's probably not

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a good time to bring back Ohaia. It's not going

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to happen then, because it goes back to you saying

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they want to be able to bring him back and

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him having being able to stay back or to play

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as many games as possible. This could be that landing spot.

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The next couple of weeks they had to see where

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the makeup games were scheduled for the n season tournament.

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They got that. Now, I don't know, it's not nothing

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to me, you know, it's not nothing. There does seem

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to be a lot of dots that could be connected here.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's always dots. I want to make that very clear.

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There's always dots that can be connected during winter d

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whatever it is, madness.

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Speaker 2: What do we have up here with the yellow and

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the purple stuff that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, the confetti, Yeah, we can connect all Yeah,

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there might be a message in there. Another with the

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rest factor two is say, you know, Kawhi comes back

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and the team is the team will be rested theoretically

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as much as they probably will be all season after

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this December month because of how little games are playing,

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which is the best time to bring him back. So

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it's all like, hey, Kawhi, come back. Everyone's tired. We

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need you to be back to like full on number

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one option, like make every he's going he is going

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to make things easier. But it's different with that being

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the overt man. We really need this right now, ask

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to make things easier.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ten and fourteen, they're fourteen and ten exactly makes

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a difference.

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Speaker 1: And they're playing well well except we'll talk about what

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happened last night. But and the thing, that thing that

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was making me laugh is that tyler U now has

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like three days of just hanging out before the pregame

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presser while all this Kawhi madness festers with people or

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Lawrence Frank calls a press conference tomorrow or Saturday, and

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we get information from that, which would probably not be

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good information.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I would not like an impromptu, unscheduled Laurence Frank.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that will happen. I want to I

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don't think that will happen like that, But that is

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the way that we do get information from this team.

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Speaker 2: The next big shooter drop is Kawhi practice with squad

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today and did a limited practice. That's what's gonna be

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first off, guys, Yeah, he's not gonna fully participate, hopefully

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more than knockout.

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Speaker 1: I think knockout with an NBA team at practice would

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get incredibly intense.

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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, those guys are gonna miss very much, though.

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Speaker 1: The good people are gonna begin when they do.

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Speaker 2: That guy's getting knocked out immediately by the next person.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're probably well they're probably going from half court

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or something insane.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 1: Well, some of the guys on the team maybe should

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do that, just should do it from free throw.

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Speaker 2: But Zoo has been struggling there.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, encouraging, I think encouraging is the right word.

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The next thing that people should look out for is

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the practice update, which I don't know if they're practicing today.

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Speaker 2: I think to Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see any updates from any of our fabulous

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beat riders. As you mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I thought Law mentioned a practice on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Maybe a walk through on Friday. Then, because it's kind

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of a lot of days off, They've earned it, man,

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they don't spend it like that. I'm not saying they need.

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Speaker 2: They had twenty one games in a thirty six day stretch,

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which was the most condensed of any team that was

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since I think October thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: And we have seventeen games in March.

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Speaker 2: We do, but that's old hat. We had that last year.

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Speaker 1: There's nothing I'm still freaked out by. All right, let

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us know. I didn't promote any of the handles before

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we started. So if you're with us and you found us,

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you probably know where we're at. But if you just

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popped in, you can find the show at YouTube dot com, plash,

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at Clippers podcast, or anywhere you get your pods. We

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thank you for hanging out. Sorry there was no live

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after the game last night, but we're gonna go ahead

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and talk about the Clippers back to back.

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Speaker 2: And I was gonna ask if you guys wanted to

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come on after that?

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Speaker 1: Uh I no, I mean I would have, but I

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only had negative things. You're you're happy I didn't just

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bomb into your stream. Just we got some audio ads

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coming up, no video ads, so our faces will still

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be here. I'm so if you're watching, if you're listening

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on audio, there's gonna be some ads that we're talking

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the Clippers back to back coming up, or the what

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happened with the Clippers back to back coming up? In

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three two?

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Speaker 2: What welcome back in it's clips and dip I'm mean

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am ozl in season three, episode thirty two. Still to come,

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we'll preview the Rockets game coming up on Sunday. Remember

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they only have three games in the next thirteen days,

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and they have time to regroup and maybe find their

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sea legs again. After what happened last night in a

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beating against the Minnesota Timberwolves. Start contrast to what happened

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in Minnesota losing by one, I'm missing that game right

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about now after what happened last night. As upset as

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I was for the clock management at the end, I'm like,

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h last night's game was over about midway through the

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first quarter. It was that bad. James Harden started zero

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of seven, Jordan Miller started one for five and missed

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a lot of his patented floaters, and yeah, go two shots.

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Minnesota's defense was really good. It looks like they found themselves.

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They figured it out. They won three games in a row,

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all against LA teams. But after Anthony Edwards called them

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out for being soft, you can see the difference in

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this team. They're getting up for games now. They have

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the personnel. They were the number one defense all of

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last season by a mile. They shouldn't be that bad

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just because they lost Kyl Anthony Town. So I'm not

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that shocked about what happened last night because Minnesota already

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had their come to Jesus moment or whatever. They already

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had their gut check during the season, and the Clippers

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three games and four nights it was Minnesota and only

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played one game the last four days.

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Speaker 1: No Norm Terrence. We're gonna talk about the Terrence injury,

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which I think is kind of weirdly, getting swept on

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the rug a little bit like they just didn't have

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If you're going against a good defense and your down

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Norm Powell and Harden's not hitting shots. There's not a

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lot of other guys on the roster who can fill

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in even close to what we would need against against

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that team. And we kind of said in the game

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preview when it was all three of us, we were like,

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let's see, you know, don't don't lose any of your

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good will if this back to back doesn't go as

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we wanted to, and they very much did not. But

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there were some good stuff. Jordan Miller's first game, he

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was scoring, Trenton Flowers had some energy like I don't know,

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Norman Hard Christie and Trenton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, both of them with dunks to start their NBA careers.

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Speaker 1: Trenton's was crazy. Trenton's was like, oh, he's gonna hit

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his head on the rim.

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Speaker 2: He was the best part of that game. Yeah, he

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had the highest bird at the combine.

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Speaker 1: Really, what damn? I mean it was? It was on

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display in that first bucket.

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Speaker 1: Real thought a guy hold stick.

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Speaker 2: It's different. It's not like, yeah, the bo Jackson ran

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a three nine to forty. He ran a forty two

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inch or he jumped. Uh, he had a forty two

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Speaker 1: Wow, that's uh, that is impressive. Is that higher lower

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than yours?

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Speaker 2: Uh? You know it's about four times. But I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that game against the Blazers, Norman Harden

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were great in that one, and then Norman didn't play,

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Which how long that management is gonna go? Do you

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think that was just a professional decision to give him

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some rest.

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second game back from the hamstring. We could give him

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four days off if we just don't play him in

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this one before the game against Houston, which is a

474
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,279
big game. I think that's what it was. It was strategic,

475
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,279
it was smart. It's a hamstring. They're tricky, tough to manage,

476
00:25:38,839 --> 00:25:42,200
and they very much need him. That's another It's it's

477
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,680
just the same philosophy. When we get guys back, we

478
00:25:44,759 --> 00:25:47,960
want them to stay back. Not everybody's been able to

479
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:49,960
do that so far this season. The NBA has had

480
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,559
a tough time with that. Paul George, I wonder if

481
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,799
people were saying he came back too early from the

482
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,359
initial bone bruise when he hyper extended his left knee.

483
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:03,680
Then he had another one. I don't know. Yeah, caution please.

484
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:07,519
Speaker 1: Which is what they are doing, which is awesome. Some

485
00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:12,359
bad things that happened, Terrence breaking a finger and needing surgery.

486
00:26:12,519 --> 00:26:18,519
He's going to be reevaluated in three weeks. This is

487
00:26:18,759 --> 00:26:25,200
not the biggest loss obviously, but this is a loss

488
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:29,079
that I think because of his bad start, people are

489
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,640
maybe not giving enough credit to how much this might

490
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:34,519
affect the rotation.

491
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Speaker 2: It could be more impactful than like.

492
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: A lunch, you know what I mean. But it's like

493
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,880
it just feels like with the starts, like he's a

494
00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:44,799
plus defender. He was getting his stride off the bench

495
00:26:44,839 --> 00:26:45,720
with a mirror.

496
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 2: Kind of yeah, we needed but that I.

497
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,519
Speaker 1: Mean, the start was bad. We needed any positives and

498
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,480
any positives in a row for Terrence. Man, it was like, oh, hey,

499
00:26:54,519 --> 00:26:56,200
this has been better than what has been happening.

500
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,559
Speaker 2: The Denver game was his best game. He won them

501
00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,000
that game. He had the offensive rebound in that three

502
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:04,440
pointer and a mere coffee been went out after banging

503
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:11,960
knees and he stepped up and he was looking good.

504
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Right, Like he's one of those guys who it's like

505
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,160
a mir goes out Terrence can step up do his thing, Like, Yeah,

506
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:16,799
I don't know.

507
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,079
Speaker 2: It's a bigger loss if somebody else gets hurt.

508
00:27:19,799 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: Basically, well said yeah, Terrence Man. Yeah, but three weeks

509
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,640
without Terrence, I mean it's more Jordan Miller time. But

510
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,119
I don't feel great about it.

511
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,839
Speaker 2: If Kawhi is back on the sixteenth, I feel better

512
00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:37,200
about it.

513
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'll feel better about a lot of things.

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,039
Of Kawi's back on the sixteenth, I'll forget about the

515
00:27:43,039 --> 00:27:45,640
cracks of my apartment walls of kawis back on the sixteen.

516
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:49,319
Speaker 2: I just Jordan's been getting extra run too because KPJ

517
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:52,400
has been out. There's probably a good chance he's back

518
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,240
on Sunday against his former team.

519
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,039
Speaker 1: That's to day, right, m hm. Basically just kind of yeah.

520
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:04,759
Speaker 2: Left ankle tweak. This solidifies Jordan Miller as being heavily

521
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,880
used in the rotation for a significant amount of time

522
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,240
where he can really show what he can do. I

523
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,240
think it's a big deal. You never want to see

524
00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,400
a guy get injured, but when that happens, somebody else

525
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,960
has to step up and is Jordan Miller's time is

526
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:24,559
a big opportunity for him, and he can create that

527
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:29,200
situation he's been talking about now where they can't afford

528
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,400
to keep him out even when they are fully healthy.

529
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,119
This is the type of stretch that can do that

530
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,039
for him if he performs at a high level.

531
00:28:37,079 --> 00:28:39,519
Speaker 1: I talked about this a little bit after on the

532
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:43,200
stream after the Blazers game. His offense was on full

533
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,240
display in that game. He was doing his thing. We

534
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,920
saw that all bench line up and what the Blazers

535
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,880
were doing defensively to Jordan Miller, which was go straight

536
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,400
at him every single time with pretty good results for

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,440
the Portland Trailblazers.

538
00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: They had at least three buckets on him that I

539
00:28:59,319 --> 00:29:01,960
counted where where they went by him. But I still

540
00:29:02,039 --> 00:29:03,960
I don't think the defense is bad. I don't.

541
00:29:04,279 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. That's normal rookie right, Like he wasn't.

542
00:29:07,559 --> 00:29:09,839
He didn't come into this to the league as he's

543
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,119
going to be a stud, you know what I mean.

544
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,319
Like that's not like that was one of his things.

545
00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,240
But we're gonna see him look like a rookie a

546
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:19,359
bit on the defensive end. It's just how much can

547
00:29:19,359 --> 00:29:22,039
he make adjustments in mid game? You know what I mean? Like,

548
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:26,480
is he's obviously coachable because Tyler trust him. Excuse me.

549
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,640
That's what I'm looking for. The offense, it's that is

550
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,000
going to grow and keep going and I feel really

551
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,359
good about it. The defense is where we should watch

552
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
to see how he's improving, which I think he will,

553
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
but that is going to be if he's not getting

554
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,960
as much time as some people want him to. Just

555
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,720
just watch him on the defensive end. And again, not

556
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,440
a knock on him, he's a young guy in this league.

557
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. My point is he's just never had the reputation

558
00:29:54,079 --> 00:29:55,920
of being a bad defender at any level.

559
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Totally.

560
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,519
Speaker 2: It's not his bugaboo or he's not a sieve on defense.

561
00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:02,359
It's just now is the NBA and you're going to

562
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,559
be tested more on that level. Yeah, on that's end

563
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:06,680
of the court, I should.

564
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Say deliberately too, like that's we think the other part

565
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,839
has got to be weird when you're a rookie and

566
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,799
they're saying, go at at, go at you, right, like

567
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,000
you're hearing people yell at you like oh shit, Okay.

568
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,119
Speaker 2: Russ Let yelled that at Luca one time.

569
00:30:22,119 --> 00:30:27,319
Speaker 1: To go at him exactly. Luca not a rookie, not

570
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:32,359
a rookie, but no I like. I like your point,

571
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,160
Like it's like it's just the NBA now, you know,

572
00:30:34,359 --> 00:30:37,720
like you just gotta and the coaches obviously believe that

573
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,279
he is able to do that because he is getting

574
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,680
more time. I thought he.

575
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,359
Speaker 2: Brought up a really cool point saying it can't just

576
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,440
be about me reacting to plays. It has to be

577
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,240
about me predicting what's coming based upon basically watching tape,

578
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,400
studying and knowing what they're running out there, and that

579
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,400
will come with experience. That's what helps those things down.

580
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,079
For guys. I think they're seeing it more, they're reading it,

581
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,440
and therefore they can start to adjust without just oh

582
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,319
a guy's taking me left now I have to move

583
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:09,119
this way and just react to it instantly. It's like

584
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:12,119
this is where he goes, this is what they're running

585
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,960
right now, and that this is how I can adjust

586
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,440
and be in the correct position. He's so smart. I

587
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:22,480
can't believe the interviews with him that we've got. He

588
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:27,200
just headed. I love the guy. Yeah, he gets it.

589
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:32,440
And as long as his offense, I think it's gonna

590
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:36,279
be tough, given how he's looked offensively so far, for

591
00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:41,480
his defense to be so bad that it negates his offense.

592
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:44,640
I just think there's such a slim chance of that happening, because,

593
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,200
first of all, I don't think he's that bad of

594
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,319
a defender. I think he's capable. And secondly, because offensively

595
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,440
outside last night, he's not missing many of those shots.

596
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 1: And the other thing that he is which might have changed,

597
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,839
but the last time he looked at it. Fourth on

598
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,240
the team and free throw attempts per game in the

599
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:07,119
most non real minutes that you can possibly have and

600
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,480
still be fourth on a team in free throw attempts

601
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,720
per game for a team that needs easy buckets like

602
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,720
he has the nose for it. He's aggressive. That no

603
00:32:16,839 --> 00:32:18,680
look passing through to Terrence I think is one of

604
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,559
my favorite highlights of his because he's confident. That's not

605
00:32:22,599 --> 00:32:24,759
a play you make if you're like, WHOA, I hope

606
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:26,839
I'm playing okay, and then you throw a no look

607
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,359
pat Like. It's the confidence that I really like.

608
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:33,839
Speaker 2: And that's part of his repertoire. He's not just a

609
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,640
black hole on offense where he scores and he's efficient

610
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:39,480
with it, but he can't do much else within that.

611
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,319
He can find other guys like he did there with

612
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,920
Terrence Man. That's what I think makes him impressive. He

613
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,319
can help you in multiple ways on the offensive ends.

614
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,440
So I think he's going to be serviceable enough on

615
00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,799
defense that his offense will still keep him being a

616
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,880
positive and keep him getting minutes out there.

617
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: Yes, one person who seems to become the rotation bones

618
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640
Island and as a skeleton keyholder yourself at him. I

619
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,039
know this hurts you, but we're trading him in PJ

620
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,440
for like a drafting stash or something like it's the time,

621
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,880
the time is up. It feels like.

622
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,359
Speaker 2: Coach Liu, you said you trust Jordan Miller. Who do

623
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,119
you not trust?

624
00:33:21,759 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: You get? So that must mean that you have a

625
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,160
list of some kind who's at the bottom of that list.

626
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:30,400
It was just, you know, it's weird to see just

627
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:31,559
it just kind of sucks.

628
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 2: It does, And I guess the attitude issues in Denver

629
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,839
have lingered over. They've they've come with him because it's

630
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,480
not between him and his teammates here. That's what's different.

631
00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:44,480
He had something going on with Jamal Murray and Denver.

632
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,480
He has no issue with his teammates. He's cheering guys on,

633
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:49,960
he's doing everything there. It's just between him and the

634
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:50,599
coaching staff.

635
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: It looks like I just man, I just think, like

636
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:58,559
you know, when you see someone saying insane things and

637
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:00,319
you're like, wow, that seems pretty.

638
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: You see it in the chat all the time, and.

639
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: You're like, wow, that seems pretty crazy. And then there's

640
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,519
one guy who's like, whoa, I actually think this guy

641
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:10,320
might be right. That's PJ Tucker and Bones Highland is

642
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,239
what I think happened where it's like, why did you

643
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,679
hit your wagon to the way that PJ Tucker was

644
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,360
acting in the locker room that one season he both

645
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,039
got sent home.

646
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 2: He's like, PJ was such a bad VET for one,

647
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:29,119
not willing to help and be a good VET and

648
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,480
just chill on the bench and point out some things

649
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,360
here and there with his knowledge of the game. But

650
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,559
then he also apparently actively hurt another guy's attitude. I'm

651
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,480
not going to say Bones, you know, isn't responsible at all,

652
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:47,199
but no, it's like he followed the wrong guy. That

653
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,199
was bad leadership, PJ. That was not what we needed.

654
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was rough, and then twenty one turnoverss

655
00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:57,320
Minnesota also rough. Burn the tape, just burn the.

656
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:01,599
Speaker 2: Tape, and coach lou said postgame, like Mike Malone they

657
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:03,480
will be flushing this.

658
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: This isn't what are they gonna revisit here?

659
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,519
Speaker 2: There's nothing to learn from that game, honestly, nothing outside

660
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:12,320
of Trent and Flowers and hey look pretty good. Nothing.

661
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:14,960
Speaker 1: Free chicken was nice.

662
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,199
Speaker 2: That was nice. They missed seven straight free throws going

663
00:35:18,199 --> 00:35:19,840
against the into a dome wall.

664
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:20,559
Speaker 1: Which they chose.

665
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, well they it's still one.

666
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, you know, they won the war, but they

667
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,400
lost that one very very not that important battle in

668
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,400
the context of that war. All right, we're gonna go

669
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
ahead and flush that game and never talk about it again.

670
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,920
We are going to talk about the upcoming game on

671
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,000
Sunday against the Rockets. Hey, that should be a fun time.

672
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:46,480
We got some more audio ads coming up and then

673
00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:51,719
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678
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:07,960
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679
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,519
zero and two versus the Rockets. This year, it's not

680
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:17,719
been pretty really, They just the last time we played

681
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,880
out there were some things that went against us that

682
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:22,639
I don't think will happen again. Right, Derek Jones Junior

683
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,679
and Zoo were two of fourteen. Yeah, last time we

684
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,280
played them, the Clippers lost points in the paint, second

685
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,159
chance points, and fast break points. Let's hope we just

686
00:36:31,519 --> 00:36:35,679
let's hope we win one of those. But what gets

687
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:41,320
me about this Rockets team is that, uh, they have

688
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,400
two guys on the bench that just kind of destroy

689
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:49,559
our second unit, which is I'm and Thompson and Eason what.

690
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:50,519
Speaker 2: Did they call themselves?

691
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,719
Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought I saw it on Twitter

692
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,280
and I was like, that's pretty cool. I guess I

693
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:59,199
love it. But that is what worries me in this game,

694
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,000
especially Terrence Man, we're just a little thinner. You talk

695
00:37:03,039 --> 00:37:06,199
about Jordan Miller being put in the defensive spotlight again

696
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,360
against a team with two guys on the bench who

697
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:09,119
can really score.

698
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:15,119
Speaker 2: They're the terrors wins. Apparently they watch tape together at

699
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:18,320
times and look up the analytics of like how they're doing.

700
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,800
They've put a lot of pride and yeah.

701
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: That's cool, and again that's what terrifies me about them.

702
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,519
They really like being really good off the bench together.

703
00:37:30,639 --> 00:37:33,000
How are you feeling about this one? I put this

704
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,320
in the breakdown. I don't know if it's wrong to

705
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,920
say this matchup feels bleak as hell just from what

706
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,920
we saw last game. But like this is just a

707
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,679
good Rockets team. We're gonna put up a fight.

708
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're good. They're offense, though, is middle of the pack.

709
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,679
There's just sixteenth on the offensive end. There is an

710
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:54,039
area where if the Clippers defense is fully focused, they

711
00:37:54,039 --> 00:37:56,599
could slow them down as much as the Rockets are

712
00:37:56,599 --> 00:37:59,800
slowing down the Clippers offense. Maybe because the Clippers offense

713
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,800
had been better until the game last night. They were

714
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,280
eleventh over the last ten games, when they were eight

715
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,559
and two heading into that game last night before they

716
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,039
got beat up something good by the minnesot Timberwolves. So

717
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,920
I asked coach Lou I got the first question in

718
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,880
yesterday about the offensive rating and why it has changed.

719
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:22,559
And first, first.

720
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, you need to say that next time you get

721
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:25,559
first see if they kicked you out.

722
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 2: I asked him about being eleventh the last ten games offensively,

723
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,880
and he credited them turning the ball over less and

724
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920
getting up more three pointers, which they had a couple

725
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,239
of stellar games from the outside where they had just

726
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:44,320
shot what made eighteen threes against Denver and then nineteen

727
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:47,920
against Portland, so they made thirty seven threes and back

728
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:51,400
to back games where they were doing it a high volume.

729
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,239
Two Yes, I think they ended up shooting forty eight

730
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,519
percent or something like that from distance in those two games.

731
00:38:56,599 --> 00:38:59,440
I do worry that sometimes when they win, is it

732
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,079
as simple as just they hit their threes tonight. But

733
00:39:02,519 --> 00:39:05,360
I think there's something too. Coach who always talks about

734
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:09,559
when they get up a lot of threes, it's a

735
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:12,519
sign that they're moving the ball really well. Guys are

736
00:39:12,519 --> 00:39:14,880
touching it, they're playing hot potatoes, so therefore you're getting

737
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,239
better look from the outside. So you're not just putting

738
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:19,440
them up to get them up to try to get

739
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,719
to some arbitrary number we have to take forty two

740
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,960
threes a nine or anything like that. They're doing it

741
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,400
within the flow of the offense. When the offense is flowing,

742
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,840
they tend to get a ton more threes because drive kickswing.

743
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,239
So they're gonna have to be great in that area.

744
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,840
Against Houston, I don't know if they were in either game.

745
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,000
That first game where they almost came back with the

746
00:39:39,039 --> 00:39:42,280
bench moob. Yeah, that was kind of interesting. It got

747
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,760
dicey there. I think they got to within four, maybe

748
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,039
with a three minutes left or something like that, after

749
00:39:47,039 --> 00:39:50,000
they were a down big early. But it does just

750
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:54,719
feel like a bad matchup and their youth and just

751
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,360
physicality out there with the Houston Rockets really causes problems

752
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,320
for the Clipper because they just disrupt a lot of

753
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,119
what they're doing with James Harden and they have so

754
00:40:04,159 --> 00:40:06,480
many guys they can throw at him, and then you

755
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:08,440
slow down or cut off the head of the snake.

756
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:11,119
Speaker 1: Well then Norm had a bad game last time too.

757
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,760
They kind of stifled Norman, but he also shot poorly.

758
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:20,559
Speaker 2: They got into his airspace pretty well. Hopefully he's back.

759
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,760
I would expect him to be, and I'm sure he'll

760
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:27,519
play better. But it's it's not just a bad matchup

761
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,519
with the Clippers right now. They are because they have

762
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:32,400
turned in from one of the better teams of the

763
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:34,880
NBA and we're still kind of wrapping our heads around that.

764
00:40:35,039 --> 00:40:37,360
Oh Houston's like a top good.

765
00:40:38,679 --> 00:40:41,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's it. Yeah, I'm not. Yeah, they are

766
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:43,880
just a very good team in general. And we did

767
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,599
the episode like midway through November, if you want to

768
00:40:47,639 --> 00:40:51,039
listen to the postgame episode after that last Rockets game,

769
00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,719
we talked about it. It's just the Clippers kryptonite. Like it's

770
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:58,000
it's just a very athletic team that prides itself on defense,

771
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,280
and if they're playing well, well, the Clippers offense is

772
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,760
already it is what it is. It's just very difficult

773
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,320
to overcome that. And we gotta assume normal be back.

774
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,519
Like you were saying norms should be back. We're gonna

775
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:12,199
need KPJ's legs, like someone to initiate the offense on

776
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,719
the second unit, because again, the Rockets bench defense is

777
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:16,719
very good.

778
00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: I think a case has been made by the void

779
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
of not having KPJ the last few games of maybe

780
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,679
how valuable he is, because it's just not easy without

781
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,440
him to just initiate offense.

782
00:41:30,119 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: Was that even against the Blazers, which was a blowout,

783
00:41:35,559 --> 00:41:39,559
kind of starting in the fourth late third, there are

784
00:41:39,559 --> 00:41:42,000
some times with that all bench lineup where it was like, guys,

785
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,719
you have dribbled a basketball and passed it to other

786
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,519
people before. Like I understand we're not all true point guards,

787
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,960
but there was some like Keystone Cops action by some

788
00:41:52,039 --> 00:41:54,719
of those lineups with like how to in terms of

789
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,639
how they were initiating the offense.

790
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,519
Speaker 2: Especially against a team that is able to switch. And

791
00:42:00,599 --> 00:42:02,800
Portland's pretty good with that for a team, as you know,

792
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:06,079
they're not great, but Houston's really good with that. You're

793
00:42:06,119 --> 00:42:08,400
trying to get this screen, cool, We're just gonna switch

794
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,480
it and throw a pretty good defender at you another one.

795
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:15,280
It's not gonna be easy against them. But yeah, maybe

796
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,559
maybe I should say that while they're a very good

797
00:42:19,559 --> 00:42:23,079
team overall, Uh, there's specifically a thorn in the side

798
00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,760
against a team like the Clippers, which is the way

799
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,599
they match up against them totally.

800
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: And uh, it doesn't seem like we're gonna get that

801
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:30,280
first round pick.

802
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:35,679
Speaker 2: No it doesn't. It is still you know, or twenty

803
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:39,440
five percent of the way. It's not totally out of

804
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,360
reach because things are that close in the standings right now.

805
00:42:43,119 --> 00:42:45,840
But let's see the Clippers are. There are two games

806
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,840
back of them, so it's not that crazy that. Okay,

807
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,639
we've seen teams get off the hot starts before. I

808
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,119
just I'd like this Houston team heading into this year.

809
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,039
I like, I think they have a very good head coach.

810
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:58,519
I think They got a lot of good young talent

811
00:42:58,519 --> 00:43:00,400
and they just had to figure out where guy fit.

812
00:43:01,039 --> 00:43:03,639
And they're starting to put those pieces together. And the

813
00:43:03,679 --> 00:43:05,679
way they brought in a couple of vets last season

814
00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:11,079
with Fred van Vliet and with Dylan Brooks, the pieces

815
00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,440
match up. Things are lining up for them now. It

816
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:16,880
makes sense. Alprin Cheoon is, you know, having a moment

817
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,320
right now or a leap in his development. So I

818
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,400
just there's no reason really to think they could slow

819
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,599
down a little bit. But there's no reason to think

820
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:27,119
that they're going to drop out of being a top

821
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:29,360
six seed in the Western Conference by what I've seen

822
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,159
so far this season.

823
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's some other weird And with that pick specifically,

824
00:43:33,519 --> 00:43:35,760
wouldn't we have to finish in the lottery range anyway,

825
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:40,840
which I don't know if the Clippers will do. Wait,

826
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:42,760
what do you mean, like if if we were to

827
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480
keep our first round pick like a lottery pick, specifically,

828
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,760
we would have had to finished in the lottery range

829
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,679
and better than the Rockets, which I don't see either

830
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,280
team doing.

831
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:58,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Rockets is top ten protected. I forget. We

832
00:43:58,079 --> 00:44:00,920
went over at that one day with Justin Russ. But

833
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,559
there is a chance that even if they did finish

834
00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:05,679
ahead of them but slightly, then it comes down to

835
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,920
pink punk balls and while they have an increased chance

836
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,679
of not having the better pick that okay se would take. Yeah,

837
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,079
it's not a foregone conclusion. So we'll see the Clippers

838
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:21,320
should be playing to win games, and regardless if it's

839
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,440
chasing down the rockets and trying to hold on to

840
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:24,119
that pick or not.

841
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: All right, now we come to the most important part

842
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,840
of the show. Will is not here for this. We

843
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:32,880
are doing the Clippers Player of the Game picks, and

844
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,519
because they only have one game, we only have to

845
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,639
pick a player of the game for one game. We've

846
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:40,400
been having to go across three games. We did two

847
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:44,239
the other day. If you're new to the show, we

848
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,760
cannot pick Avita Zubats, James Hardner, Norm Pal to be

849
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,800
player of the game because those three people will just

850
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:54,559
rotate between Adam, Will and I what they're gonna do.

851
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,079
Will's not here, Adam, Who do you think Wills would

852
00:44:57,119 --> 00:44:58,679
pick for his Player of the game?

853
00:45:00,639 --> 00:45:07,039
Speaker 2: Keivin Will's pick up? Let's see who would he like?

854
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:11,400
Who would Will like? Uh? I'll go with Nico Batum

855
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:11,840
for Will.

856
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:17,760
Speaker 1: Ooh, Okay, Nico's had I still I'm so pissed off

857
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:22,280
about the whistle against Nico Batum, which continues to be happening.

858
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,800
But Nico has not had twelve versus walls on the

859
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,960
twenty ninth, but he's not the defense defenses there. I

860
00:45:29,039 --> 00:45:30,880
like that pick. We're gonna need him to be good.

861
00:45:32,079 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: I got your back, will I gave you Nico, Adam,

862
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:41,599
who are you picking? I'll go Mobamba. I'll go Mobama

863
00:45:41,639 --> 00:45:42,239
with my pick.

864
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,039
Speaker 1: Shut up. Mobamba had a really one, really good shift

865
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,280
against the Blazers that I highlighted in my post game stream.

866
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,480
That was it was chaos, it was complete. He was

867
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,079
ripping the ball away from guys. He hit a three.

868
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,400
I liked the Bamba pick Mamba.

869
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:00,599
Speaker 2: I liked his energy. He just looks like he's moving

870
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,719
well out there. Whatever was going on with his knee swelling,

871
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,400
they certainly got that under control, because yeah, I think

872
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,719
he had like three steals or two steals and three

873
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,960
blocks in that third quarter stretch where they open things

874
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:15,320
up against Portland, and yeah, and yeah, you can stress

875
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,119
the floor a little bit. I like to see him

876
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,679
hit him in a little bit of a higher frequency

877
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,480
right now. But it's still the numbers are low. Okay,

878
00:46:23,519 --> 00:46:25,760
here in a row, all of a sudden, he's probably

879
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,199
at like thirty six percent, you know.

880
00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 1: Right, Okay, so you're at Mobamba will put Picnico, But

881
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,519
Tom damn. I have a lot of people to choose

882
00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:38,119
fro him. I picked Jordan Miller to be good over

883
00:46:38,159 --> 00:46:39,840
the last two games, and one of those I was

884
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:44,880
correct about. Let's see, we're gonna need you know, who's

885
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,639
gonna have a bounce back game off the bench that

886
00:46:47,679 --> 00:46:52,519
we're gonna really need. I'm assuming Norm is playing, which

887
00:46:52,519 --> 00:46:55,440
is why I said off the bench a mere coffee.

888
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,320
Let's killed it against the Blazers, not so much against

889
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,719
the Timberwolves.

890
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,159
Speaker 2: Who did outside shed flowers.

891
00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: Very true. So I'm going to miror coffee. He's gonna

892
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,000
hit a couple of threes. He's gonna hit time. He's

893
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,039
probably gonna hit a fast break bucket. When the Clippers

894
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:15,480
either you know, maybe the lead's only four, they bump

895
00:47:15,519 --> 00:47:17,199
it up to six, I feels more comfortable, or they're

896
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:20,000
down like something like that. I love the timely buckets

897
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,519
from a mirror. I think he's gonna come up big

898
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:23,880
in the sense that a mirror comes up.

899
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. That's a good call. A mirror

900
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,360
has been. I don't know how many threes he missed

901
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,440
last game, but going into that I think he was

902
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:36,039
shooting forty four percent going into that game last night

903
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:40,119
from three. Yeah, mere coffee. And it's not totally out

904
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:43,440
of the realm that he shoots over forty two percent

905
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,159
from three this season. Yeah, I'm not gonna bet on it,

906
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:48,679
but he shot thirty eight percent from three last season.

907
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,920
He had one year on really low volume where he

908
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:54,280
shot forty one percent from three. He's a good shooter

909
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:55,599
and he's only gotten better.

910
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,599
Speaker 1: One of the better contracts in the league.

911
00:47:59,039 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, god, was almost traded.

912
00:48:02,199 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 1: Yeah God, that man happy that didn't go down. All Right,

913
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:11,480
That about wraps it up. We're gonna be coming at you,

914
00:48:11,519 --> 00:48:14,400
probably alive after the Rockets game. I will be getting

915
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,559
a Christmas tree on Sunday, so we'll see what time

916
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:19,880
that happens, hopefully before the Rockets game. For sure, a

917
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,599
full episode on Monday with Anybody, with Everybody. If any

918
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:28,079
actual Kawhi news drops, I'm sure we will have you

919
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:33,239
covered on Clippers Talk and on Clips and Dip. We'll

920
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,719
make sure to go live for all that jazz. We

921
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,639
really need reviews. They help us on the iTunes, they

922
00:48:38,639 --> 00:48:40,639
help us on Spotify, all those places. If you'd like

923
00:48:40,679 --> 00:48:42,719
to subscribe to our channel, feel free. We're not gonna

924
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,559
stop you. YouTube dot comup slush at Clippers Podcast. It's

925
00:48:45,599 --> 00:48:49,000
a really fun time. We do appreciate you and Adam

926
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:52,039
one positive thing to send these Clippers fans out on

927
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:53,639
heading into this weekend.

928
00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:59,639
Speaker 2: As much as things are still murky and unclear and

929
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:05,760
substantiated with Kawhi, the rumors that are out there are

930
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:10,320
at least positive and not his publicist in China is

931
00:49:10,400 --> 00:49:14,079
saying something vague and cryptic that could end up being bad.

932
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,119
All the rs are towards the positive way this time.

933
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:19,840
I will sign up for that.

934
00:49:21,599 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: Encouragement. That's what that's what we're here for. We are

935
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,280
encouraged by this Kaui news. Thank you to him for

936
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,840
hanging out. We will talk to you later. And his