Speaker 1: What is of fellas echoes? I am damn Valley coming
at you with my certified fantabulous co host, mister Grant
Hughes the NBA off seat and look ahead, trained holes on,
We're go check out. I don't know how many teams
we've done at this point, but we've been we kind
of turning them out. So go check all those out.
We're onto the Golden State Warriors. One of us might
be a little bit invested in what happens into this offseason. Grant,
how are you feeling?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 2: I've reached acceptance in the stages of grief. I reached
it pretty quickly. I reached it like about three seconds
after Steph pulled his hamstring, started mentally and emotionally preparing
for this conversation. So I'm doing great, have no issues,
nothing's wrong at all. Should I like? I wish I
could just dim the lights there it's all dark and.
Speaker 1: Here now you should have had an emo, Grant.
Speaker 2: Need like a black hoodie and just yeah, I really should.
Speaker 1: Like jim just been a spinning image of Jimmy during
the twenty twenty Yeah Bami heat media Day.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I look the post trade deadline portion
of the season was like highly encouraging even then as
we talked about like the team had real flaws, like
pretty exploitable issues, and then age and injury kind of
entered themselves into the picture and that really exacerbated everything. So,
uh yeah, let's talk about the Warriors offseason.
Speaker 1: So getting into their vitals the age and injury history
is not going to go anywhere. I don't know, but
they're not like this isn't okay. The Phoenix Suns here
they are around seventeen point four million below the tax
and twenty five million below the first apron. And just
as a note, if you want them to use their
non tax payer mid level fourteen point one million, they
need to stay below that first apron. However, and I
think this is going to define a lot of this discussion.
None of that includes a new deal for Jonathan kaminga
who reportedly turned down like close to thirty million last year.
I don't think he gets as much this year. But
per the Athletics Anthony Slater, both sides want to work
on a sign and trade. And so before I throw
it to Grant, the other thing we want to outline
here is I would agree that a sign and trade
makes sense for both sides, and the Warriors need kind
of like shooting size, maybe another wing defender here. Jonathan
Kminga provides roughly none of that, which is why it
makes sense for a sign and trade. But you do
run into base yar compensation issues and grant if this
is too convoluted. I know you understand, let me know
base your compensation means if Jonathan Cominga signs a contract
for thirty million dollars per year, he only counts in
a sign and trade, he only counts as fifteen million
dollars in matching money for Golden State, but he counts
as the full boat that thirty million dollars to his
new team. And so that is the gap. There are
ways around it, if you're working with a team that
has cap space, or if you just expand the trade,
but that is something we have to keep in mind.
I've seen a lot of names thrown out as part
of a Jonathan Minga sign and trade, many of them
it's not going to be legal. But with that said,
let's start with Jonathan Kaminga. What is I mean, where
are you at with him as a player? And then
do you agree that one, is he better off elsewhere?
Are the Warriors better off without him? And then two
like what type of value would you think that he
has in any deal?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's been a real His whole career has
kind of been a roller coaster, and you got sort
of a mini version of it in this postseason where
he's out of the rotation and then he looks phenomenal
for a game or two and then you know, kind
of turns back into what he's been. Like I guess
whatever his general like baseline level is, which is he's
going to score and like not help you in any
other ways. Really, So, so I don't know how you
evaluate that player. I like, if you're an acquiring team
that because I do think first of all, they should
sign and trade him. I think that is the pathway
to the best pathway. If you don't want to rely
on the mid level to improve the team and to
get the shooting and playmaking and not Steph scoring that
you need, maybe it's to get like a more playable,
like legit starting center, Like maybe he's the way you
do that. So I think assign and trade is the
way to go. I do think if you're another team,
but tell me what you think about this, because I
feel like I'm can't be trusted if you're another team.
Can you talk yourself into Oh, Kaminga is just like
he just hasn't been allowed to do what he's good at.
Like it's really more of the situation. It's very hard
for young players to thrive with Golden State. That's just
been the case historically. There is like an all star
here somewhere, Like do you think if I guess, you
may as well just say Brooklyn since that's the team
that could pay him more than like what more than
seventeen or more than twenty a year? Like, is there
any part of Kaminga where you're like, oh, no, I
think I could justify believing there's a star level player here.
We're willing to make an offer sheet or offer a
trade commensurate with that valuation.
Speaker 1: I think you could talk yourself into it. And the
two ways that I would do it would be maybe
it's three, but like, looking at the context of the team,
could you put him in a situation where he's gonna
have a more consistent role and be on the ball
or at least be viewed as the primary play finisher
more two I think floor spacing around him is super important.
So is it a team that if they have a
traditional big, is there just a bunch of shooters around
him still or do they maybe have some more stretch
at the five than a lot of these other teams.
Then the other thing I think is there the question
I'm asking is is there an analog of a player
not the exact archetype, but it's Oh, he goes through
like the first four years on his team and as
you see these flashes, but then he leaves and comes
closer to actualizing the player everyone thought he could be.
Is that is that Julius Randall after his time with
the Lakers? Is that? Like, I'm not again, different players,
but yeah, you kind of need to like, what is
the precedent for something like that? Like even market In
leaving the Bulls and then leaving Cleveland and turning into
what he was in Utah for a couple there was
like more of a precedent or more of a sustainable
precedent than we've seen with Kaminga so far. I just
don't know how much of that is a symptom of
the Warriors are trying to be good. He doesn't really
fit like Kurs guiding tenants and they didn't have the
stomach to let him maybe try and fit into that.
It's that's what's you know. I'm not I've generally not
been like a kaminga guy compared to you or consensus frankly,
but I still like, you see what you see what
he could do on offense sometimes like oh my god,
it's there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And like it's the eye test because you just
athletically he can do stuff guys the other guys can't.
Like we saw that in the Minnesota series. Like just
he's like just athletically, he has superstar athleticism. I don't
know what that counts for if you don't have the
other stuff. But like to your point, it's not just
watching him that you could talk yourself into him being special.
So this is cherry picked, admittedly, and it's very easy.
For some reason, it's so easy to find like incredible
cherry pick stats for him. I don't know why that
is so.
Speaker 1: Dan.
Speaker 2: There have been nine players across their first four seasons
in the NBA to average twenty points, six rebounds, and
two assists per thirty six with fifty eight percent true shooting.
Okay and we'll cut it off. You have to play
at least two hundred and fifty games, So there's no
guys that showed up and played three games.
Speaker 1: Games and Johnathan can make a play. It was it
like two fifty one or.
Speaker 2: It's like two fifty eight. Yeah, it's like just trying
to find a stamp. So there's nine guys Kareem, David Robinson, Shaq,
Charles Barkley, Karl Anthony Towns, Nicole Jokich, Adrian Dantley. These
are all basically Hall of famers, were very very close
to it. And I don't know how Montrez Harald did it,
but he slipped in there as the other guy. So
it's possible that Kaminga is just worse than Montrez Haral
and also worse than everybody else I listed. But that's
a wild ass list, and it just speaks to like
his actually weirdly like efficient scoring, and like just that
he hasn't gotten a real opportunity because his per games
are you know, he's got fifteen a game, he just
doesn't play the thirty six minutes. That's how you talk
yourself into him being legit. If you're a suitor, it's
like if we play him thirty six minutes, he's gonna
have incredible numbers, Like that's just what will happen? Will
that drive winning? The Warriors would tell you like probably not,
but uh yeah, I so, I just don't know. I
don't know how the league views him. I don't know
how he should be viewed because it's been four years
and I still think you're just like trying to weigh
the pluses and minuses. What I do feel confident in,
and you asked this earlier, is that he's not gonna
be the best version of himself on the Warriors. I
feel like the relationships have been strained enough. I feel
like the style of play is just never going to
be one that says like, hey go cook in isolation
a lot and we'll just stand around and watch like
that's just and he doesn't want to play, you know,
the the what was the Spurs thing? Like, uh, what's
what's like make a past dribbles, shoot decision in like
half a second or something like that or five tenths
or whatever. He's never going to be that guy. He
can't function that way in like a ball movement egalitarian offense.
So he could be great somewhere I don't think it
will happen in Golden State for a number of reasons,
So you just have to view him as a sign
and trade guy. I think that's the bottom line.
Speaker 1: Do you what do you view him as positionally? Is
he just a four or do you think he can
be a three to four?
Speaker 2: I think he could be a three to four. The
reason that I mean, I think the Warriors wanted him
to be a four, and he just never rebounded or defended,
especially on the interior enough to like justify that. So
that's part of the conundrum too, is like he he
wants to be like a prime Kawhi Leonard level, like
on ball three. I think is what is what he
wants to be and what he thinks he is, and
the Warriors just disagreed. So I think I think there,
I think he makes the most sense as like mostly
an off ball like transition threat, cutter, offensive rebounder, the
position defender, just like athletic tools wise, So that's a four,
but that's not what he wants to be or how
he wants to play. So whoever ends up with him
is going to have to navigate that.
Speaker 1: Aside from Brooklyn, which I think could just I mean,
they have Cam Johnson, but I think the trade, if
it's just straight up with Brooklyn is cominga plus. What
gets you Cam Johnson because well it's start there before
getting the kamingus up. What do you think is the
bigger need for them? Is it getting more and Steph
mentioned all of it in like kind of the effort
of everything. Is it size? Is it getting kind of
another wing defender that you would trust more than Moody
at this point and gives you more offense than GP two.
Is it shooting that doesn't come in the form of
submarining your defense potentially like Buddy Yield.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's I think it could take too.
There's really sort of two, but they're related. So it's
got to be someone that can either make shots at
a high enough clip that the defense is concerned about
them and produces offensive spacing through that concern, or it's
somebody who is good enough on the ball to be
successful like bending the defense such that you're like mostly
poor spacing doesn't hurt you as much, so playmaker shot
creator or like spacing shooter. I don't think you can
realistically expect to get like both of those things in
one player because that player is a superstar. One or
the other of those would be fine, and address what
I think is the most glaring need, which is this
team cannot reliably score without Steph in the game against
good defenses. That's just that is the reality. So you
have to address that first. And if you don't go
get bigs like I think most people are fine with,
Like you bring LOONI back, you have Jackson Davis, you
have post Draymond play center at the end of games anyway,
like you're gonna be small. You can survive that. I
don't think you can survive with an offense that is
just Steph or nothing. I don't think that's gonna work.
Speaker 1: I'm with you, which is why we talked about this
when we were recording the Cavs Look Ahead. Where would
there be some weirdo three team construction where Golden State
gives up picks with Kaminga salary to bring in Jared
Allen cam Johnson ends up in Cleveland. But if you're
going to attach stuff to Johnathan Kaminga, you don't want
it to be for a big is what it sounds
like you're landing on, right.
Speaker 2: I think, so, don't you agree? Don't you think it's agree.
I would just rather just have it be Cam Johnson
if you if you're trading Kaminga, right, right?
Speaker 1: Are there any other teams though? That I guess would
sort of the let's start with the Bulls one. I
don't know how much sense he actually makes there with
modest bouzelis if you think those two could play together,
that'd be super interesting when you look at in terms
of physical tools between those two. But would you be
a little bit bummed out if assigning trade for Jonathan
Aminga yields back and there have to be other moving parts.
It's like you get Nicola Vucevic on an expiring contract
and that's end.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels pretty underwhelming, although, like I mean, I
don't know how much I believe in his shooting, but
he would just be an offense threat that you have
to account for as a defense, like the Warriors just
don't have that. And if you can get it at center, great.
I actually like the construction of a Bulls deal where
you're also getting Lonzo Ball, which is risky but just
another smart and he's kind of neither of the things
I mentioned, like he's a good enough shooter or when healthy,
which is the biggest IF on the planet, and a
smart pass like he would thrive I think in the
Warriors like offensive philosophy, Like I think I think if
you if you can get any kind of healthy stretches
from him, he would really be a value add And
then Vouch is what he is. But yeah, that that
feels underwhelming for Kaminga except like what I struggle to
find because you go back to the Cam Johnson well
and other than that, like I just don't know what
you're going to get for him in as sign and trade.
That's like clearly helpful.
Speaker 1: Would you do just because there'd have to be more
money involved? Like would you include Moody for Lonzo Ball
and Vouch? That's like did your last aside from Putjemski,
I guess Quinton post at this point, that's like your
last well of prospects.
Speaker 2: Right, And you're really selling low on Moody too, because
he just totally fell apart in the playoffs, especially against Minnesota.
I think you would probably hesitate to do that because
odds are over the life of his contract, which is
less than mid level money, Moody's probably gonna outproduce Ball.
I would guess. But but and you have far you know,
you can't really have more injury uncertainty than you would
have with Ball. So that's the Warriors. I think I
don't think you want to trade Moody right now, just
because this is like the nadea of his value since
he signed that new deal.
Speaker 1: Now, I think this hasn't been talked about and probably
for all maybe you would hate the fit, but like,
what about you would have to attach other stuff to
Jonathan Cominga in this, But like, what about targeting Kobe
White as part of this? We know the Bulls can't
extend him, They're gonna they have Josh Giddy entering restricted
free agency? Is that too redundant? Well, not not even redundant,
because Steph can play with anybody. But it's oh, okay,
like what are we doing here? Or is it? Man?
You about someone who might be able to leave the
offense without stuff on the court.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. He fits into the the vacated Jordan
Pool role, where it's like, just go out there and
run the show and get a little nuts if you want,
and yeah, maybe we'll win those minutes and maybe we won't,
but you'll have to be guarded like that's they don't
have that. They just like Pajemski's not that guy, and
Kirk Kerr was yelling at him that he needs to
shoot more like the second the season ended. Basically, Kobe
White will break the defense down and score, like I
just so, Yeah, No, I can understand why you say,
like is that a little redundant? Like is that overkilled?
Do you need a guard like that? Yeah? I think
I think you do. I think you really do.
Speaker 1: Because that would be I mean you could there's different
things that you could do then if you're willing to
include Moody, like Kobe White is so cheap that like
kaminga Moody picks for mooch and White works. Or you
could go you know, Lonzo Ball and Kobe White for
KAMINGA plus smaller salaries and then like picks in there.
There's a bunch of different ways that you could do it.
And like the idea of Kobe White and Golden State
feels weird and he is coming up on a new contract,
who knows how much it cost to keep him, like
you have Butler and Drake, like it would it feels
like that team would be pretty dangerous if.
Speaker 2: I think he's a player like that. They just don't.
They haven't had a guy like that since Pool and
Pool was very imperfect, but like, you need a guy
that's gonna like they just don't have anybody that is like, well,
Kobe White would would check the off ball threat box too,
Like she's like so that that that's a whole other thing.
And he's a willing shoot, like yeah, he's you'd be smaller,
and the Warriors, certainly this postseason run did not suggest
that they should try to get smaller. But I think
you really do address the offense stuff pretty strongly with
the like he's a fringe All Star producer, like, and
he's young enough that maybe he just does make an
All Star Game that that would be a major ad.
I think then you're talking about are they short on
the big wing stuff now? I mean maybe not if
Cominga was never going to play in a post series anyway,
So yeah, you could live with that. I don't know,
that's an interesting one.
Speaker 1: Are there any other teams or like fits that sprung
to mind? I because I don't want to use him
to get a big back for the most part, like
Charlotte would be interesting and something built around Mark Williams,
like you need something else and like Josh Green doesn't
do it for me. I'm not touching Miles Bridges with
a twenty foot pole. Yeah, from Golden State. So that's
kind of tough. And like that's what's tough about Kaminga
is kind of finding like it's team where Okay, they
need to value Kaminga even if you are attaching picks
to him, and also is gonna send you back stuff
that you need And we're saying, yeah, big could be
part of it, but it can't be the meat and
potatoes of that deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be a lot easier if you're just
if like a Mark Williams, for example, was what they
felt like they needed. I just that that type of
center has historically.
Speaker 1: Not That's also a great point.
Speaker 2: Made a lot of sense there.
Speaker 1: I like the Clippers don't need him, and yeah, like
Memphis is a no, Like you don't want anything. You
don't want coosm out of Milwaukee, So that's got to
be a no.
Speaker 2: There's just like even if you look at other teams
that are like semi flexible relative to the league, like Detroit,
Like Detroit has no use for Jonathan cominga like there's no,
he doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: There doesn't make any sense in Sacramento or San Antonio. Really, Washington,
I just go.
Speaker 2: Ahead, Well, so you could talk. I think I've seen
some version of like kaminga to the Wizards, Kisbert comes back,
and I can't remember who else I've seen in there. Yeah,
maybe I can't. I can't remember now.
Speaker 1: Like a double signing trade with Malcolm Brogden and Kissed
Bird for No is a.
Speaker 2: Big I wish I could find it. Uh, But but
something like Washington, though, to your point, is a team
that's like, yeah, you might maybe be like the right
team to take a flyer, even though Washington so far
away that like, do you really want a guy on
his second contract that you're not sure about already taking
up a bunch of money, Like maybe not, But but
the team teams in that position where it's like we
can afford it, we could take to take a crack
on it like that. That's that's what you should be
looking at.
Speaker 1: Comingo is the last thing Orlando needs. I don't really
think he doesn't make a ton of it doesn't make
any sense in New Orleans. Yeah, that's like if.
Speaker 2: You Utah like, I don't think it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I guess if you thought, and like if you could,
I don't know. Actually maybe if it was Kaminga and
picks for Colin Sexton. Is that something you're why.
Speaker 2: Don't we revisit the market and stuff like with well.
Speaker 1: I mean the money getting there would be. So you're
trying to keep Butler or Draymond Green and Steph Will
incorporating what is Larry Marketing on the books for forty
plus million next year around there?
Speaker 2: Right, let me I'll pull it up all your talk.
Speaker 1: I mean that at that point is all right there
You're going to buddy heel than Kaminga and Moody and
I like that just to make all the math work or.
Speaker 2: Isthing Marketing's forty six next year, So that's like impossible
because Kaminga the base of your compensation is like, well,
how do we do this?
Speaker 1: And there's like there could be like maybe something more
complicated where it's what if Phoenix is pivoting and they
want Kaminga but they have to duck the second apron
to acquire someone to a sign and trade, and so
it's like what's the other team and then what do
you want out of Phoenix. I mean, like Ryan Dunn,
I don't know why they would get so.
Speaker 2: I mean, Kevin Rant would be fine. Can you can
we make that math work?
Speaker 1: Ken if you want to give up Draymond Green or
Jimmy Butler.
Speaker 2: Well so that was the other thing. Uh, it seems
like all those contra all those contracts Kerr, Butler, Green
and stuff, they're all lined up to expire the same year,
which like, so it means you're not trading. Obviously you're
not trading Steph Butler. That's gonna be hard guy to
trade Draymond. You're not gonna trade Draymond would be the
guy though if you're like, we need another salary, because
for a long time it was, well that's what Wiggins
is for, and then they traded Wiggins. Now it's just
there's not you don't have that mid tier salary to
to mid high high mid tier salary to move and
they're just not gonna break up this core, which is
which is fine. They're probably not gonna win a championship anyway,
but like that would make things a lot easier if
you were willing to move Butler or Green. I just
don't I think they've all decided like we're just not
gonna do.
Speaker 1: That, right. I mean, I guess if because they've been
mentioned with Giannis, which I don't view them. I mean,
they can include four first round picks, but I don't
view them as a real threat with Giannis. You would
need someone to and if it's Giannis, you suck it
up and trade anyone but Steaph sure, I think yeah,
but you would need someone to really really value Jimmy
Butler or Draymond Green to send the Bucks more stuff.
So I don't view them as a Yiannis threat. I'm
assuming you're I.
Speaker 2: Just don't think they can have the best. The best
offer with them.
Speaker 1: I'll have to do is like best James Harden slash
Jimmy Butler impression.
Speaker 2: To do it right, Yeah, Giannis would have to say
like I and I'm going to Golden State, make it happen.
And just like with San Antonio and Houston out there,
like why would he why would he take that posture
number one? And then too like that still doesn't mean
that that's like feasible, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, so here's I don't think this is feasible. But
this team, let's just say they're looking to duck the
second apron and they're really doing a full on reset
following an injury to Jason Tatum. You send Jonathan come in,
go to Brooklyn still okay, and you send all your
first round picks to Boston. Is that enough to get
you Derek White? Oh?
Speaker 2: I was hoping you would say Derek White. He would
be so perfect Dan on Golden State.
Speaker 1: You know what you do, because you're then below the
first apron, you then go give Al Horford the non
tax payer MIID level. That's I think I just made
the perfect Warriors offseason.
Speaker 2: That I would be doing backflips. Al Horford could be
forty five and I'd be like, great, signing at the
mid level.
Speaker 1: He by the way, I don't know how much they're
gonna be want to pay him, and this might be
a way to transition out of the minga stuff. Well, actually,
let me start here. How important to them do you
think it's going to be to stay beneath the first
apron to like, do you think they're gonna want to
access that non taxpayer.
Speaker 2: Min That's the thing, Like if they they if they
use the mid level, they're hardcapped at the first Apron.
I I don't think it's that important to them. I
think what they're gonna I think they're okay with getting
hard capped if that just I don't know who that
player is gonna be. If it's like, would that be
a pay raise for Al Horford?
Speaker 1: But like if you had if you had it available,
it's like you can give him more than the mini
m l E. Like because Al Horford would be He's
not like when you're looking for someone like kind of
bruise and like really crash the glass. That's not what
Al Horford does. But he would be so perfect for this.
Speaker 2: Or he would work with Draymond and Jimmy Butler up front,
which is like there's like three guys that that's true
of and none of them are gettable except maybe Al Horford.
So yeah, I I don't know. I think that they
they have to sort of be aggressive and be just
because of the age of the core. So like we're
if that means getting hard capped, and you get the
guy you think is the perfect fit, like a Horford,
then then you just you do it right, like well, otherwise,
like what's the point here? You're leveraged on the present,
like to an extreme degree. As it is, you're about
to lose the best prospect you've had in a really
long time because you didn't play him enough. So it's
not like we're thinking of five years ahead.
Speaker 1: So look, we solved it. So we'll send Moody and
or send whatever salary plus coming out of Brooklyn to
make the math work for Golden State. And how many
first round picks? Honestly, are you giving up? If if
it meant getting Derek White, would it be? So the
picks that they could trade, by the way, are twenty six,
twenty eight, and twenty thirty. It's the good half of
where it's like twenty Yeah, it only if it lands
one to twenty and then twenty thirty two.
Speaker 2: I mean, you don't want to McHale Bridge as this,
but I think White as Actually, I think White's better
than Bridges.
Speaker 1: I'm here to tell you, sir, that is unequivocally correct.
Speaker 2: I'm given I'll go three. I think i'd give up three.
Speaker 1: I don't know if Boston would do that. New ownership
maybe makes it a wild card, but like he is
the guy where I view as the players, I don't
want to see the move if they're really gonna like
he might actually be above jail and Brown. For me,
I agree, it's just because of the contract. Jalen Brown
is so good, but Jalen Brown's number two. And then
it's like you really try to move Drew and christops Porzingis.
But I don't know if Porzengis has any value. So
it was just you were talking. I was just like,
they have a lot of picks, and if Boston was
really just like we're taking a gap year, and like
if they're getting three first round picks and just out
of the second apron entirely and you could still make
maybe they want Moody. It's just like a cheaper replacement
they're getting out of. They're cutting costs by moving Drew
or Porzingis anyway, so it doesn't have to be we're
just getting off of Derek White's salary entirely, but three,
if the return is three first round picks and Moses
Moody for Derek White, my guess is that Boston probably
doesn't do it, But I wonder if it warrants a conversation.
Speaker 2: Do you think what do you think the value around
like because we like romanticize or overvalue like shorting the
Bucks or the Suns or whatever. Do you think those
twenty eight and thirty Warriors first round picks, if they're
like lightly protected, would be viewed as like, oh my god,
those are like crown jewel assets. They have to be right.
Speaker 1: That's why, honestly, if if they didn't need like to
get super complicated to make the money work, because Danny
Ainge thinks that way, like he's probably contacting them this
summer about a lowry marketing trade to try and make
like short those picks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like all this is gonna be done
in two years. Like that's just that it's written in stone,
like the way the contracts are structured, and like you
just lost Kaming, You're gonna lose kaminga. So it's like
is Brandon, Pajemski and White they gonna gona like you
don't really have like the pipeline is not you know,
not it's not totally barren, Like Pajemsky's a good player,
like he's a starter, but other than that, it's like
there's no easy way out for the Warriors after this
this core is done. So like maybe so then in
the end and answer your question, like maybe it's not
three picks if both of those are involved, right, you're
just getting you're buying the Warriors dip like at the
exact perfect time if you're trading for those picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm assuming twenty twenty six has very little
value if you're sending the Warrior someone good, So then
you're looking at those three out years as if you
can get two of those with very light to no
protections on it, that's interesting. Derek White just feels like,
if I'm Boston, I'm not doing it because I'm just
gonna hold out. But I think you would if if
the picks are on the day, I would think you
absolute lyast think about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you gotta think about it. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just saying it's Brooklyn, Like Brooklyn has to give
up that one. You need Brooklyn to want Jonathan Committa,
Like you're just if you end up signing and trading
Jonathan Comena into Brooklyn's cap space, it's just like it's
it's not disastrous if it's that type of construction, but
it's would Brooklyn even give Boston, Like they're not gonna
give it first for Jonathan Commandita they have any like
bad first in the pipeline Brooklyn is drafting. Oh they're drafting,
So maybe it's like they could send Boston twenty six
and or twenty seven as part of a cominga sign
and trade, and like Boston's like, look at all these
first round picks we got for Derek White. I'm part
of me wonders if I'm looking at this through too
much of a Warrior's lens, But it does. The value
feels like if you remove the I think, if you're
not a Celtics fan, and if a Celtics fan said
this is stupid, and we have Celtics fans on our discord,
yeah sure, but the value feels like if the Warriors
are putting three first round picks on the table, the
value and they're you're not taking back any shitty money,
The value feels about right, especially if you can get
another first round er, like one of those low ends
out of Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think you probably just signed double sign
and trade Kaminga to the Nets for D'Angelo Russell and
then later flipped D'Angelo Russell for Andrew Wiggins, and then
you're just back back where you're comfortable. I feel like
that's the way to do it. It's worked, it worked
once before.
Speaker 1: I so, but I think we mapped out the perfect
Warriors offseason. Just that's a trade for Derek White and
sign al Horford.
Speaker 2: Poach of Boston's rotation.
Speaker 1: Would you expect them? This is the Draymond Green extension.
If he signs it, he'd be age thirty seven. It's fine,
nothing for him, right? I mean, what align with what Jimmy,
Butler and Steph are doing? I believe, But.
Speaker 2: Isn't he already lined up? I keep I kept having
the thought that they're they're all equals.
Speaker 1: Oh maybe I'm maybe I'm wrong. Then on his way.
Speaker 2: I know Kurr, Butler, and Steph are all done after
twenty six twenty seven, as is Draymond right now, except
he has a His twenty six twenty seven is a
player option.
Speaker 1: He would decline it as part of the extension, and
he would run through twenty seven twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't, I'm not. I don't think I'm doing that.
And if I am doing that, it's because I plan
to trade him and I want that salary number on
the books after Curry. What I mean, we're getting way
too far ahead. But do you think Curry's just going
to retire after twenty six, twenty seven, like I hope not.
I hope not too.
Speaker 1: But I mean I hope him and Al Horford and
and Lebron are in Golden State in their fifties, just
win in thirty seven games or something, but playing entertaining basketball.
Speaker 2: But staying the pickleball scene, just.
Speaker 1: Like Al Horford, Steph and like Lebron to an extent,
he's just so polarizing. It's it's cool to see these
players age and still just be so impactful. I think
in the Warrior's case, it's uncomfortable that Steph means so
much to them, but it's incredible that he still does.
So I hope he's not retiring after this current deal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I don't know, And maybe he'll come
back and take a start doing the Tim Duncan Dirk
thing where he's just taking way less I mean seventy
five million dollars, right.
Speaker 1: I think that's what's interesting about this is not really
directly related to the Warriors about any Kevin Durant trade,
is that if he's willing to sign with you, like
we're just assuming he gets the max, or is he
actually going to be making less money on his next deal,
which makes trading for him more palatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know that. That's another wrinkle, Like honestly
like that just I think Jimmy Butler was the right get.
But I do still wonder what might have happened if
it had been Durant instead, if that that was a
pretty interesting sliding doors moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I just go back to the value
you gave up to get Jimmy. Feels like it was
going to be less than you had to give up
to get Durant. That is, I think the drop off
between those two, and they're completely different players, is I
would rather still I'd have Jimmy plus the ability to
trade four first round picks this summer, right, Kevin Durant
plus however many picks you could trade. Is there anything
else on them that we haven't taught?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Is there we didn't really mention? Brandon Pajemski is sort
of we were throwing picks on the table for all
these players, but it's like, does Brandon Pajemski help you
get something that you need? Or is he too valuable
to this team right now?
Speaker 2: Well, that's another one. I think, yes, he would help
you get something you need. But he's also too valuable,
and that's kind of part of the problem because he
doesn't he doesn't consistently address like what the issues are,
just his unwillingness to shoot his you know, all of
his shot creation issues. Like I think, I think he's
a piece that they still pretty clearly believe in like
a lot, like I do think the Warriors tend to have, like, well,
ownership believes in this guy, but the coaching staff thinks differently.
That's the kaminga case, Like I think Pajemski, like everybody
is like, no, no, no, he's the keeper. He plays
winning basketball and blah blah blah, he'll get better better.
But that's also the reason that like he could get
you something if you wanted to trade him, is because
I think a lot of teams feel that way. So yeah,
I don't think he's gone anywhere. Trade discussions get a
lot more interesting if you start like including him in
some of them.
Speaker 1: I think, would you trade him for Derek White?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Derek White's just way better. It's not close.
Speaker 1: Oh man, so anything else? Quinton Post, how many All
Star Games will he be making?
Speaker 2: For seven Boiler It did hurt my heart that he
really was just correctly played off the floor in that
Wolve series. But that's fine. He's a rookie. They've already
gotten more value out of that draft slot than they
should have, so we'll take it that way.
Speaker 1: I do think as a final thought on the Warriors,
what's encouraging about the Butler trade? And even they acted
early with Dennis Shruder, it felt like they were trying
to just you know, straddle a middle ground until they
were forced to go in for Jimmy Butler. It does
seem like, Okay, they understand, like we need to be
aggressive to capitalize on these next two years that Steph
has least after this, which if you're a fan, I
think is encouraging. I don't know what trade opportunities will
rise for them. We cam Johnson just feels like the name,
but we've all just assumed that Brooklyn wouldn't mind having
john cominga which.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's uh. I don't know what the percentages are
on that, but it's close to a coin flip, I'd
say at best, because you just if you're Brooklyn, why
this can't be the guy that you're like been waiting
forever for Johnathan.
Speaker 1: We didn't do most likely to be traded for them?
Is it just oh god?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like you could, is it cominga or the
field like and I would still pick Kaminga. It just
has to be.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk much about their own like Kevan Looney
or GP two. You just said they'd probably be okay
bringing those guys back if they have to. But you
in ideal world, maybe they're coming back, but you're also
upgrading on those spots for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're bringing both of them back. They're
like Looney is like approaching like franchise icon status and
win those weird like role player ways, you know. Yeah,
and really GP two is kind of that way too,
but maybe you pay them less. I mean, what did
they They both made around seven. I think Looney made
eight last year GP two made note.
Speaker 1: I can tell you GP that neither of those guys
are getting that. I would be sure lest the Warriors
are doing it is like we want trade ballast for
middle exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the only reason they get raises.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I think they should both be back on like one
plus ones or just whatever. Make it a line. Yeah,
one plus one would set it up so that they
come off when everybody else does in the old old
dude's core. So maybe that's the way to go.
Speaker 1: Big off season Golden State. I think, man, this all
season is gonna be wild. So many they have. They
have four first round picks to trade, and I'm going
to guess that they are going to trade at least
one of.
Speaker 2: Them would be let's hope. So they gotta they gotta do.
This isn't This isn't Cleveland or some other teams where
it's like, just run it back, you're good. I think
I think they pretty clearly need some help.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take this out of here? Yeah?
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