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Speaker 16: That is my assessment.

442
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Speaker 15: Yes, it's too it's too round.

443
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Speaker 13: It's too round, Okay, I agree, Yeah.

444
00:25:05,799 --> 00:25:09,400
Speaker 15: But well my head is round and I'm Irish.

445
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,640
Speaker 16: But hers has a narrowing chin. Mine not fully rounded.

446
00:25:13,759 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 15: Actually mine's not fully rounded either, because I have a point.

447
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 16: Do not have a point.

448
00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:19,759
Speaker 15: I do have a point to your head, it's not point.

449
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 15: I'm from France. I do have a conehead.

450
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Speaker 16: This is what I've had to put up with all

451
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Speaker 16: morning Miriam.

452
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 15: So the brother he told on this radio show. He said, quote,

453
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Speaker 15: I lost my sister, and to me that's important since

454
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 15: she's not here to defend herself or to speak for herself.

455
00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 15: I just took it upon myself to contact you about it.

456
00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 15: Unquote yeah, because sometimes like because it's not like they

457
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 15: only do wax figures of dead people, right, Sometimes they

458
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Speaker 15: do wax figures of people who are alive. Like somebody

459
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Speaker 15: somewhere made a wax figure of the rock and I

460
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 15: remember the rock was like making fun of it, like, wow,

461
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Speaker 15: that doesn't look like me.

462
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Speaker 13: There's a whole museum in London, Madame Tussau's wax museum,

463
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Speaker 13: full of people.

464
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Speaker 17: Who are still a lot.

465
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Speaker 11: Did you go there when you.

466
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Speaker 13: Were I did not that visit to London, but a

467
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Speaker 13: previous visit to London.

468
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Speaker 15: Oh okay, go in there now. If you were to

469
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Speaker 15: walk in there, like if you were to walk in

470
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Speaker 15: there today and they had a wax figure of Shinead

471
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Speaker 15: O'Connor and it looked like this, would you say something?

472
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 15: Would you be like, hey, what are you people doing?

473
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Speaker 17: I might mutter to myself, I don't think that looks

474
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Speaker 17: like her.

475
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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, you would you, but you wouldn't say anything.

476
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Speaker 13: Walk by probably and yeah, yeah, you know, just look

477
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Speaker 13: at the next thing.

478
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 15: See that's what they were counting on, people walk by,

479
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Speaker 15: walking by. I'm not there.

480
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Speaker 17: I don't know if i'd have said anything.

481
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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I think the whole concept is kind of weird,

482
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,599
Speaker 15: to be honest with you, spooky if it's a dead person.

483
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Speaker 16: I mean, I don't think you know, spooky.

484
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Speaker 13: I think hart movies have been made about wax museums

485
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Speaker 13: and like ancent Price exactly.

486
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Speaker 15: See, that's the thing that's what freaks me out.

487
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Speaker 13: Right, And so I think that the whole premise of

488
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Speaker 13: that movie is that they weren't wax figures, they were

489
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Speaker 13: people covered.

490
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Speaker 17: In why right, See, that would be He's very creepy.

491
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Speaker 16: I'm sure a Doctor Who episode like that.

492
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Speaker 13: Probably there are Doctor Who figures in the Madame Tussau's

493
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Speaker 13: wax Museum, which.

494
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Speaker 17: Are very cool.

495
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Speaker 15: Ooh.

496
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Speaker 16: I wanted to have any.

497
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Speaker 13: Fund When I first saw that, it was like I

498
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,279
Speaker 13: had sort of recently become aware of Doctor Who. I

499
00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 13: started dating a guy in nineteen seventy nine that was

500
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Speaker 13: a big Doctor Who fan, and I went to London

501
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,599
Speaker 13: in nineteen eighty two, and I saw in all these

502
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 13: wax figures of all the characters and things up to

503
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Speaker 13: that point.

504
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Speaker 16: They have a wax figure of a Darlk of a Donalek.

505
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Speaker 17: Yes they do, they do.

506
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Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I said that kind of sarcastically, but I

507
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Speaker 16: didn't expect.

508
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Speaker 17: You to say that they did the crazy things.

509
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Speaker 16: Oh, they must have a weeping angel then.

510
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,799
Speaker 17: Probably I haven't been there since.

511
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Speaker 16: They Now I'm on a doctor who kick.

512
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Speaker 15: Oh well, so there's a little bit more to this.

513
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Speaker 15: Patty Dunning the Wax Museum, that's a very Patty Pa

514
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Speaker 15: d d Y, that's a very as name. The Wax

515
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Speaker 15: Museum director, who said he was a longtime friend to

516
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Speaker 15: Oceanead O'Connor oh apologize to the family. He said that

517
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Speaker 15: the Wax Museums sculptor PJ. Harridy delivered the figure the

518
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Speaker 15: night before it was unveiled. He said the artist had

519
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,559
Speaker 15: done fantastic work in previous years, but has not been

520
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:27,799
Speaker 15: been feeling well and had retired. I get it. So

521
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Speaker 15: the artist wasn't feeling well.

522
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Speaker 16: And they pulled him out of retirement apparently to this. Yes,

523
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Speaker 16: so there might have been a little spite involved there.

524
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Speaker 15: Right right, he was probably like, uh, I was retired.

525
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Speaker 15: I was enjoying my retirement. But now I'm resentful, so

526
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Speaker 15: I'm going to sabotage O'Connor wax figure. Yes, yeah, Patty,

527
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Speaker 15: that is petty angry if I were, If I were

528
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Speaker 15: a resentful wax figure sculptor, I would not you know,

529
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Speaker 15: I just I would still try to do a good job,

530
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Speaker 15: you know. I mean, I might be mad about it.

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Speaker 16: But they are kind of creepy, the wax figures. Yeah,

532
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Speaker 16: well yeah, yeah, they look like dead people standing.

533
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Speaker 13: I think they they don't always look like the people

534
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Speaker 13: that they're made to look like. No, no, I don't

535
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Speaker 13: know that I was really all that impressed with very

536
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Speaker 13: many of them.

537
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Speaker 16: Did you find it creepy walking through all of these?

538
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Speaker 13: It was creepy, and the lights are kind of low.

539
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Speaker 13: Maybe they're hoping you're not going to notice perfections.

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Speaker 17: I don't know.

541
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Speaker 16: It seems like the below that's the trek. Did you

542
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Speaker 16: see lighting?

543
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Speaker 15: Did you see any of that? You looked at that

544
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Speaker 15: where you thought, this one doesn't look quite right. I

545
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Speaker 15: wonder if if the person who created this particular wax

546
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Speaker 15: figure was had been pulled out of retirement and was

547
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Speaker 15: feeling resentful.

548
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Speaker 17: I did not think that.

549
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Speaker 16: Yeah, and not feeling well.

550
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Speaker 15: And not feeling well even occurred to me. Yeah, yeah, wow.

551
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Speaker 16: What was your favorite part of being there?

552
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Speaker 17: Being in London?

553
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Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, was there a favorite location.

554
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Speaker 13: Or Douven Garden is my favorite place probably in the world.

555
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Speaker 13: It's well, I haven't traveled that much, but London is.

556
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Speaker 17: Pretty far from home.

557
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Speaker 13: Covent Garden is like a big sort of outdoor mall

558
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Speaker 13: but a lot older, so really old buildings. It's kind

559
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 13: of open, but it has a roof on it and

560
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Speaker 13: they have like flea market stalls kinds of things and

561
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Speaker 13: shops they have. They used to have a magic stand,

562
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Speaker 13: like they had magicians there and they were selling the

563
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Speaker 13: little cheap magic trips tricks that you buy and usually

564
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Speaker 13: street performers and that's a lot of fun.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it was a little bit more of this. So

566
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Speaker 15: the guy of this, Patty Dunning guy said, when I

567
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Speaker 15: had a look at the statue, I walked in to

568
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Speaker 15: launch it, and when I saw it, I didn't get

569
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Speaker 15: that feeling that I normally get from pj's fantastic work.

570
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Speaker 15: My heart sunk a little bit. We went ahead with

571
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Speaker 15: the launch, and I didn't sleep last night. Unquote. Spy

572
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Speaker 15: O'Connor on the radio program if the Dublin National Wax

573
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Speaker 15: Museum was doing this to get publicity, Dunning said, quote no,

574
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Speaker 15: absolutely not. The wax Museum runs itself without publicity. We

575
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Speaker 15: have a launch and that's it. I had to take

576
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Speaker 15: the decision to cancel the statue, and we'll go again,

577
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Speaker 15: and we'll remodel, and we have to do better on

578
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Speaker 15: this occasion unquote. So they're gonna try to make that right,

579
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Speaker 15: that's yes, yes, well, very very good. What was your

580
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Speaker 15: favorite part about going to the Madam Cusso's.

581
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Speaker 13: It was the Doctor Who exhibit, Like you know, you're

582
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Speaker 13: coming around the corner and you start to hear that

583
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Speaker 13: music and I'm like, oh, it's going to be a

584
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,559
Speaker 13: Doctor Who thing. And then seeing you know a lot

585
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Speaker 13: of the characters, the creatures, the monsters, daff Ross, who

586
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 13: is the guy who invented the Daleks and Bah or

587
00:31:54,799 --> 00:31:58,559
Speaker 13: rather invented that. I think it's an exoskeleton for like.

588
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Speaker 16: A mutant of some Well that sounds frightening. It is.

589
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 13: It's really scary because we're very afraid of the Daleks.

590
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Speaker 16: Yes, I've never got never got into that doctor germinate.

591
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Speaker 15: I've never seen single episode of anything doctor who related

592
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 15: in my life?

593
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Speaker 16: Was your favorite? Who was your favorite doctor who?

594
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Speaker 13: Probably John Pertwee. He was not the first one I saw,

595
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:26,039
Speaker 13: but he was super super nice. Because I used to

596
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Speaker 13: go to the conventions. I took a photo of him

597
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 13: at one convention and then I took that photo with

598
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Speaker 13: me to another convention for him to sign and Elizabeth Slayton,

599
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Speaker 13: who played Sarah Jane Smith, was there at the con too,

600
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Speaker 13: and he took the picture.

601
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Speaker 16: Said Sarah, look at this.

602
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Speaker 13: It's amazing, it's beautiful, and he was so excited about

603
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Speaker 13: this photo I took.

604
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Speaker 17: So that kind of you know.

605
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Speaker 13: He he loved fans, He loved to participate. He was

606
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Speaker 13: always positive with people. So John Pertwee is probably my favorite.

607
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Speaker 13: And he's from like way back. He's like one of the.

608
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Speaker 16: He's before the curly haired guy, right.

609
00:33:02,119 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 17: Yes, he is the third doctor.

610
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Speaker 16: So curly haired guy was kind of the most famous

611
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 16: of I wish I could say what his name is.

612
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Speaker 13: It's Tom Baker. And I met him too. I've got

613
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Speaker 13: pictures of me with a bunch of them.

614
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Speaker 16: Was he the first one with the long scarf?

615
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Speaker 17: He was the one with the long scarf. Yeah, nobody.

616
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Speaker 17: I don't think any of the others had long scarfs.

617
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:22,359
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, you're right, that wasn't true.

618
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Speaker 13: But he was the first doctor that I saw. Most

619
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Speaker 13: people the first one that they see, it's their favorite.

620
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Speaker 13: And I do love his episodes. But because my experience

621
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Speaker 13: with John Pertweet, I just, you know, I just had

622
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Speaker 13: to be my favorite. So tom Baker is still around.

623
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Speaker 13: John is long gone, the first.

624
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Speaker 17: Three or gone.

625
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Speaker 16: They should have him come in to an episode, and

626
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Speaker 16: I guess it would be fun.

627
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 17: That would be really fun.

628
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Speaker 16: Tom Baker, tom Baker, one of the previous doctor who's

629
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Speaker 16: although I was supposed to can do that right now?

630
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Speaker 16: Maybe they could pull that off somehow well. As each

631
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:05,359
Speaker 16: doctor dies, they disintegrate and then it becomes thet gene,

632
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 16: an entirely new human. It could be of any.

633
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:14,079
Speaker 17: That way, any actor can replace.

634
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Speaker 13: It was a very convenient way for a new actor

635
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,639
Speaker 13: to come in and replace. They didn't try to replace

636
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,679
Speaker 13: the actor. They just brought in a new person and

637
00:34:24,039 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 13: wrote in this brilliant idea of regeneration into the next appearance.

638
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Speaker 13: He's always worried he's gonna have red hair.

639
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Speaker 5: But.

640
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Speaker 11: Oh we have a question.

641
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 15: Grim Rock is asking in the chat did you get

642
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:39,079
Speaker 15: to see any Rolling Stones related landmarks when you were

643
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:39,559
Speaker 15: in London?

644
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:44,039
Speaker 13: I didn't, unless you count the London School of Economics.

645
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Speaker 17: I don't know. Maybe I didn't. I didn't get taken

646
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 17: a tour.

647
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Speaker 16: Didn't you get to go down to where the Beatles

648
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Speaker 16: were though?

649
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,280
Speaker 17: Ali rode that, yeah, No, I didn't go to Abbey

650
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Speaker 17: to go there.

651
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Speaker 7: No.

652
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Speaker 16: For some reason, I thought you a.

653
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Speaker 13: Lot of actors that I recognized from British television just

654
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Speaker 13: walking down the street. People were just I mean, Pete

655
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 13: Townsend was just walking down the street, because I think

656
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Speaker 13: Brits are a little less likely to sort of run

657
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Speaker 13: at them.

658
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 15: Yes, that makes sense.

659
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 16: The Americans are pretty British ourselves.

660
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 13: Yes, and they comment on it. I met Michael Palin.

661
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Speaker 13: He was Michael Palin from Monty Python. He was directing

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Speaker 13: a play and I was walking through Covent Garden, my favorite,

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Speaker 13: and uh, he was outside the theater. It was early

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Speaker 13: in the morning, and so I asked him for an autograph,

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Speaker 13: and then I asked if I could hug him, and

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Speaker 13: he said, oh, you Americans, and then he hugged me.

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Speaker 13: So and I had him sign a train ticket because

668
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Speaker 13: he loves trains. He did a whole series about train travels.

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Speaker 13: Oh so that was kind of fun. Oh, very good though,

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Speaker 13: but no not not no rolling Stone kind of stuff.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, uh, we should we should play another Uh, let's

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Speaker 15: play another grim rock track from from the new album

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Speaker 15: uh gr y R five.

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Speaker 12: Uh.

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Speaker 15: This is called you Belong to Me and then uh

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Speaker 15: and then we'll come back and talk a little bit.

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Speaker 15: If you're just joining us, this is Matt Connorton Unleashed.

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Speaker 15: We are live from the studios of w m n H.

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Speaker 11: But check this out.

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Speaker 17: Ask your question.

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Speaker 12: Compus reality.

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Speaker 14: You can? You can.

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Speaker 12: Till the webs the next noways doing you can?

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Speaker 6: You are listening to w u n H ninety five point.

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Speaker 8: Command God don't get supreme Lyda Maxiell coming.

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Speaker 15: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are alive from

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Speaker 15: the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM on

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Speaker 15: this Saturday morning, July twenty seven, twenty twenty four. Jenny

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Speaker 15: is here, of course, and president and accounted for. Miriam

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Speaker 15: is here with us, and we just decided to spend

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Speaker 15: another grimrock tune because he very kindly. If you are

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Speaker 15: just joining us and I'll hold this up again for

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Speaker 15: those watching online if you can see the video. Of course,

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Speaker 15: grim Rock sent us GR five his new release and

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Speaker 15: really love what he does. He is from Pennsylvania and

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Speaker 15: we'll have to have him back on the show again

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Speaker 15: soon too, but always nice and he included this wonderful

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Speaker 15: note thank you to the WM and H family for

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Speaker 15: all of the support Matt and Jen Rock's assigned to

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Speaker 15: Grim so we appreciate that. And yeah, that was another

701
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Speaker 15: track called you Belong You See, which we really like

702
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Speaker 15: a lot. We've met some great people through Grim as well.

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Speaker 15: We have.

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Speaker 16: I had a curiosity question for you. I've just recently

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Speaker 16: learned that this summer of music is the brat summer Brat.

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Speaker 16: Summer Bratt is now apparently a good word. If you're

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Speaker 16: called a brat, it means that you're like a a

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Speaker 16: bad butt woman kind of a thing, and not a

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Speaker 16: bad word. And that was new to me. The youngins

710
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Speaker 16: are saying this now, Maddie Bratt, I.

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Speaker 13: Think I would be able to keep up with it.

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Speaker 13: I don't know fits and traders who are maybe a

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Speaker 13: little young for it.

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Speaker 16: I actually like it. I like, yeah, so we're taking

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Speaker 16: that and being like, yeah, that's gonna be a good

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Speaker 16: word now, Brat's right.

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Speaker 15: Huh No, I'm not heard that this is a new

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Speaker 15: term to me.

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Speaker 16: Yes, yes, Bitchburg Records did a whole article about the

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Speaker 16: summer it being the brat summer or something like that,

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Speaker 16: and so I of course had to go down the

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Speaker 16: rabbit hole to figure out what the heck of bratt

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Speaker 16: summer was. But it's actually gaining even more in popularity

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Speaker 16: for women to call each other brats apparently, And it's

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Speaker 16: a good It's it's meaning you, I think you're your

726
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Speaker 16: kick butt, You're you're a bad butt.

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Speaker 17: I like it.

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Speaker 11: I like it too.

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Speaker 16: I like the idea of that. I can live with that.

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Speaker 15: I like that.

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Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, there are much worse things people could say.

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Speaker 15: We should mention too, and I told them I would

733
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Speaker 15: pump it up on the show. So we had recently,

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Speaker 15: just a few weeks ago, actually we had a couple

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Speaker 15: of fine folks from Sister Witch Company, Yeah and hooks It.

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Speaker 15: We had Mary the owner and Sue the manager. They

737
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Speaker 15: were on the show with us, and I have been

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Speaker 15: invited to participate in an event August seventeenth, which is

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Speaker 15: a Saturday, So I'll be getting there late, of course,

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Speaker 15: or we if you're going, I don't know if you're

741
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Speaker 15: going with me or not, of what your plan is,

742
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Speaker 15: but but you're welcome to of course. But I'm gonna

743
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Speaker 15: be doing some hypnosis at the event, so Sister Which

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Speaker 15: Company and Hooks It. There's going to be several different

745
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Speaker 15: people they're doing things. And it actually starts at noon,

746
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Speaker 15: but again, you know, we don't get out of here

747
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 15: until about one pm by the time the show's all

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Speaker 15: uploaded and everything. So I will be starting at two

749
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Speaker 15: pm that day at Sister Witch Company, but you can

750
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Speaker 15: reserve a spot. I'll be doing group sessions, individual sessions.

751
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Speaker 15: But it is a great place, Sister Witch Company and

752
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Speaker 15: Hooks It and it's right on Ruth three, very very

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Speaker 15: easy to find, so and in a great business and

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Speaker 15: I well there's going to be more coming from them

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Speaker 15: in the near future as well. So stay two. Yeah,

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Speaker 15: really cool. Actually, yeah, no, I'm excited about it. I

757
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Speaker 15: haven't done an event like that in a while. You

758
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Speaker 15: used to do a lot of a lot of events

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Speaker 15: way back back in the day when I was Norm

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Speaker 15: Moody's co host on a television show. We used to

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Speaker 15: do some events together.

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Speaker 16: Do you remember him? I saw the look on your face, Miriam.

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Speaker 16: Do you remember Norm Moody?

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Speaker 13: No, I've heard people talk about him, but I don't

765
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Speaker 13: remember Norm.

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Speaker 18: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I think that was kind of before I was aware

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Speaker 13: of any of the I mean, I grew up in Pennsylvania, So.

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Speaker 15: Oh, you grew up in Pennsylvania. Do you know Grimrock?

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Speaker 13: I don't know Grimrock, but I was curious what part

771
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Speaker 13: of Pennsylvania Grimrock is from.

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Speaker 11: Do you know the Amish Mafia?

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Speaker 16: I don't, Okay, there in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 15: It was a reality show that I used to watch,

775
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Speaker 15: which was very, very in terms of scripted reality shows,

776
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Speaker 15: that was one of the more scripted.

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Speaker 16: You know, I'm sorry, my brain's all over the place today.

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Speaker 13: I remember watching another show where I think it was

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Speaker 13: people who were sort of trying to leave that community.

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Speaker 17: Yeah, and.

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Speaker 13: I've been to like places where in Amish country and

782
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Speaker 13: they have restaurants and things like that, But Amish Mafia,

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Speaker 13: I'm not familiar with them.

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Speaker 17: Maybe I need to check it out.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it was on like a e or the Learning

786
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Speaker 15: Channel or something, and it lasted like three seasons, but

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Speaker 15: it was it was so obviously fake. You could go

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Speaker 15: online and look up the people and find I mean

789
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Speaker 15: there were actors, you know, playing these characters. It was

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Speaker 15: pretty ridiculous, just quickly something I found online from musiclly

791
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Speaker 15: dot com. You know, we talk on the show a

792
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Speaker 15: lot recently about AI and how it's impacting the music industry.

793
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Speaker 15: There's a British startup company called Major Label Artists Club

794
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Speaker 15: and it's setting its cap at independent artists, labels and

795
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Speaker 15: managers with a service to help them manage their businesses online.

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Speaker 15: It's also thinking about the industry debates around AI technologies

797
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Speaker 15: and has announced a partnership relating to that. The partner

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Speaker 15: is a French audio tech company, Irkham Irkham Amplify, but

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Speaker 15: they will be using its technology to detect and block

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Speaker 15: AI music from being distributed through its platform. And I

801
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Speaker 15: think this is an interesting development because I mean, this

802
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Speaker 15: is a small startup that's doing this, But I wonder

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Speaker 15: if we're going to see this showing up in other

804
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Speaker 15: uh with other music distributors where they actually have ways

805
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Speaker 15: to detect. That's pretty interesting, be able to detect IA

806
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Speaker 15: generated music and block it from being disseminated on their platforms.

807
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Speaker 15: But I just wonder how accurate will that be, especially

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Speaker 15: especially if it's you know, like electronic music, Like.

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Speaker 17: How is it how?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, how is it going to be able to detect?

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Speaker 15: I'm curious how the software works and uh, I'm sure

812
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Speaker 15: it's not perfect, but it says here. So the company

813
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Speaker 15: in a blog post said, quote, using their technology, we

814
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Speaker 15: will be able to scan up of five thousand music

815
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Speaker 15: tracks and under a minute, detecting and blocking AI music

816
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Speaker 15: from distribution with an accuracy rate of ninety eight point

817
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Speaker 15: five per sound. We exist to ensure independent artists always

818
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Speaker 15: get paid their fair share of music royalties from streams, sales,

819
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Speaker 15: and live performances. We can't just sit back and watch

820
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Speaker 15: as their music has been stolen to train AI music tools. Unquote.

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Speaker 15: That's from co founder Mark Knight.

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Speaker 16: And we've talked about that before, about these AI companies

823
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Speaker 16: using modern music to train their artificial intelligence with. So

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Speaker 16: then they have all of those that artists, all these

825
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Speaker 16: different artists music in their banks basically, So what they're

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Speaker 16: coming out with is that truly original or is it

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Speaker 16: just a mosh of what they've taken in and it's

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Speaker 16: just a computer spitting it right back out at you. Yeah,

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Speaker 16: I mean everybody, No music doesn't mimic other music everybody.

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Speaker 16: Every musician has is you know, you listen to different

831
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Speaker 16: things and it comes out and but it comes out

832
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Speaker 16: in your artistry. But it's yeah, and it's your creative

833
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Speaker 16: mind and juices that are pulling that around that. But

834
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Speaker 16: computerized music takes all of the magic out of it.

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Speaker 16: To me, yeah, you know, I don't want something that

836
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Speaker 16: some computers spit out. I like the idea of somebody's

837
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Speaker 16: brainchild coming out in a tapestry of notes.

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Speaker 17: Coming from their brain.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, And in principle I agree with all of that,

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Speaker 15: but as you know, I just have some concerns about

841
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Speaker 15: how how the music industry and how legally you know,

842
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Speaker 15: because you know there's going to be laws made about

843
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Speaker 15: all this stuff too inevitably, you know how from a

844
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Speaker 15: practical and pragmatic standpoint, how is that all going to work?

845
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Speaker 15: And I don't know, and I think it's I think

846
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Speaker 15: it's complicated. I mean, at the end of the day,

847
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Speaker 15: I'll always advocate on behalf of artists and protecting artists,

848
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Speaker 15: but but I'm not sure, like I'm as you can tell,

849
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Speaker 15: just as I was reading it, I'm already skeptical about

850
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Speaker 15: this technology that is going to somehow be able to

851
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Speaker 15: detect any AI generated music with a ninety eight and

852
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Speaker 15: a half percent accuracy rate. I'm skeptical and it says

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Speaker 15: here too in the article. As ever, with this kind

854
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Speaker 15: of thing, the key will be in the definition of

855
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Speaker 15: AI music and how flexible the filters are. Entirely AI

856
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Speaker 15: generated music is presumably what the companies want to block,

857
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Speaker 15: rather than music being made by human artists who are

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Speaker 15: using AI tools for some part of their creative process.

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Speaker 13: See that's so, that's yeah, that's where it's going to

860
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Speaker 13: get and it gets sticky the great Yeah, that's where

861
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Speaker 13: how much is you?

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Speaker 16: How much is machine?

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Speaker 15: Right?

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Speaker 13: We really should have been thinking about this a long

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Speaker 13: time ago. And this goes takes me back to London

866
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Speaker 13: School of Economics because my master's thesis was public Understanding

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Speaker 13: of Artificial Intelligence. So in nineteen ninety three ninety four

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Speaker 13: we already knew.

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Speaker 17: It was coming.

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Speaker 13: It was already happening, but just you know, small scale

871
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Speaker 13: people were experimenting with it, I guess, but we already

872
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Speaker 13: knew AI was coming.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, but it's.

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Speaker 13: Only in the last two years that everybody is kind

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Speaker 13: of really thinking about it.

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Speaker 17: The schools or are upset. A lot of people at

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Speaker 17: schools are really worried about.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, oh, no doubt. Yeah, Silicon Kong is I guess

879
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Speaker 15: optimistic that this software will work, says in the chat room.

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Speaker 15: They will detect loops from original music. I utilize many electronics.

881
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Speaker 15: They will be able to determine the difference. And grim

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Speaker 15: Rock said, oh that was me Lol. I was calling

883
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Speaker 15: in to thank you for everything personally, but thank you

884
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 15: for everything you do for indie artists like myself. Oh

885
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 15: you're very welcome, grim Rock. By the way, the reason

886
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 15: I didn't pick up is you were calling my cell phone.

887
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,679
Speaker 15: I did see you show up on my cell phone.

888
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Speaker 15: But if you want to call this studio line really quick,

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Speaker 15: you can. We do have a few minutes left. Six

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Speaker 15: O three two five oh six oh seven six O

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Speaker 15: three two five oh six oh seven. Uh that is

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Speaker 15: the studio line here at w M and h uh

893
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Speaker 15: but uh and uh. Grim is in the Pittsburgh area

894
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Speaker 15: of Pennsylvania. By the way, I don't know if that's

895
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Speaker 15: I don't think that's where the Amish Mafia was Pittsburgh.

896
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Speaker 15: But anyway, but yeah, it's interesting. So what are they

897
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 15: worried about in schools? Like kids using AI to to

898
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Speaker 15: write papers? To write papers.

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Speaker 13: And that's exactly the study that I did involved asking

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Speaker 13: people questions about what they understood about AI and the

901
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Speaker 13: people that I was living with. The woman she worked,

902
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Speaker 13: she was the deputy head at a secondary school, and

903
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Speaker 13: she gave my questionnaire to some kids, and almost all

904
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Speaker 13: of those kids said they wanted the AI to do

905
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Speaker 13: their homework. Yeah, and to clean the house, like to

906
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Speaker 13: do their chores and to do their homework. So this

907
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Speaker 13: was this is been a long time coming, but it's yeah,

908
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Speaker 13: so here it is.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, here it is. Yeah. Oh I thought grim Rock

910
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Speaker 15: was on the phone, but nobody there. Yeah, it's uh yeah,

911
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:17,079
Speaker 15: it's a whole new world in some ways, right. I mean,

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Speaker 15: I use chat GPT in some of my work and

913
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Speaker 15: I find it quite quite helpful. You can certainly save

914
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Speaker 15: a lot of time, certainly save a lot of time

915
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Speaker 15: with it. There's also an article here. Oh I think

916
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Speaker 15: this is grim calling back? Grim Is that you? Hello?

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Speaker 18: Hey?

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Speaker 15: How are you hey? Grim Rock? How are you doing? Welcome?

919
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 18: I just wanted to I was going to call in

920
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,320
Speaker 18: just to personally thank you, uh you know, for for

921
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,679
Speaker 18: all the support and everything you and Gen do for

922
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 18: everybody and uh putting on the show you do. And

923
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 18: it's just it's a great format and a great platform

924
00:51:57,079 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 18: for people to get recognized and noticed, and it's just

925
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Speaker 18: it's been really cool and I really appreciate it a lot.

926
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Speaker 15: Oh well, thank you, We appreciate you. We love your

927
00:52:05,639 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 15: music and we are very happy to help to showcase

928
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,119
Speaker 15: it and thank you. Thank you so much, and thank

929
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 15: you for sending us stuff. We always appreciate that too.

930
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:17,599
Speaker 15: It's wonderful to get that CD in the mail, and

931
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Speaker 15: we really appreciate it.

932
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Speaker 18: Hey, anytime, I'm glad that I can send things like

933
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Speaker 18: that to everybody, you know.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, at fun absolutely absolutely, Hey, where should people

935
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 15: because time is short unfortunately, but where should people go

936
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Speaker 15: to keep up with everything that you're doing online?

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Speaker 18: Let's go to Grim rock and roll dot com. All

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Speaker 18: one more, Grim rock and roll dot com.

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Speaker 15: Okay, well that's easy, that's easy, Very good, very good,

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Speaker 15: all right, Grim. Well, hey, thank you so much for

941
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Speaker 15: the call, my friend, and we should do a long

942
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 15: form interview in the future, in the not too distant future,

943
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,519
Speaker 15: because you've always got a lot going on, so we'd

944
00:52:55,519 --> 00:52:56,599
Speaker 15: love to do that with you again.

945
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I really appreciate it.

946
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,519
Speaker 15: Thank you for having me absolutely any time. All right,

947
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 15: take care man, all right, by bye bye.

948
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Speaker 16: All right.

949
00:53:05,159 --> 00:53:07,239
Speaker 15: That was grim Rock from Pennsylvania and you can go

950
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Speaker 15: to grimrockandroll dot com to keep up with everything that

951
00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:11,800
Speaker 15: he's doing.

952
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:14,119
Speaker 16: I drop the link in the chat room for you.

953
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Speaker 16: If you happen to be in the Facebook chat room,

954
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,119
Speaker 16: you can check out grim Rock's Facebook page.

955
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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, one of my favorites. Yeah, so what's uh,

956
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 15: we only have a couple of minutes left, Miriam. I

957
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 15: know it's a big question, but what's what's the answer.

958
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,239
Speaker 15: Do you think with the AI and schools, is there

959
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Speaker 15: a solution?

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Speaker 13: Probably get understanding it better, Yeah, is a really good idea.

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Speaker 13: I mean they're starting to sort of embrace well, maybe

962
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Speaker 13: we can use it this way, so, you know, like

963
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Speaker 13: technology can be good and it can also be not

964
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Speaker 13: so good, and so finding the good in it and

965
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Speaker 13: finding ways to use that way and then also trying

966
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Speaker 13: to figure out ways to avoid it being used inappropriately.

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Speaker 17: So just learning about it is probably the main thing.

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Speaker 15: Yeah.

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Speaker 16: Bottom line, it's gonna be more and more prevalent in

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Speaker 16: our society.

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Speaker 15: I don't see.

972
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Speaker 16: It's certainly not going to slow down somewhere.

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Speaker 13: I think that people are going to be upset about

974
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Speaker 13: it for a while as they are, you know, and

975
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Speaker 13: then it's kinna. You know, people will sort of get

976
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Speaker 13: used to it and settle down, and maybe they'll be complacent, complacent,

977
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Speaker 13: and then it'll and they'll you know, we'll lose ground

978
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Speaker 13: and then it'll get better again.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 15: By the way, as it pertains to the music industry,

981
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Speaker 15: there is an article I'll just refer to and maybe

982
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Speaker 15: we'll look at it more closely in the future about

983
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Speaker 15: Hollywood Reporter has something that just went up. Universal Music

984
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Speaker 15: Group CEO on protecting artists from AI quote, we recognize

985
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,960
Speaker 15: potential threats. Early Lucy and Grange told investors the major

986
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Speaker 15: music label was going to the courts to protect the

987
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Speaker 15: rights of its artists and songwriters led by Taylor Swift,

988
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Speaker 15: Drake and Lady Gaga, from massive copyright infringement. You know,

989
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Speaker 15: it's interesting too, how history repeats itself. It seems like

990
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Speaker 15: some of the conversation we're having now around AI that

991
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Speaker 15: remind me a little bit of when, you know, back

992
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Speaker 15: when Napster Remember Napster, Yeah, and that first became a

993
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Speaker 15: thing and we had to have all the conversations and

994
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Speaker 15: the music industry had to go through all this transformation

995
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Speaker 15: regarding pirrating, pirating music sharing. You know, file sharing was

996
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Speaker 15: a term we U see here all the time, and

997
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Speaker 15: you know, now here we are again going through an

998
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Speaker 15: you know, for a different reason, but we're going through

999
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Speaker 15: another wave where this could really transform a lot of

1000
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Speaker 15: how the music industry operates dealing with AI and the

1001
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Speaker 15: various legal issues that it presents.

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Speaker 16: This is harder, This is a lot harder. It's not

1003
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Speaker 16: simply like taking something and duplicating it, but this is where,

1004
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Speaker 16: you know, you're taking the brain child creations of multiple

1005
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Speaker 16: people and feeding it into a machine that has the

1006
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Speaker 16: ability to then translate that into something and call it new.

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Speaker 16: And that wasn't Wasn't there something we talked about a

1008
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Speaker 16: while back involving Taylor Swift trying to fight to keep

1009
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Speaker 16: her music from being used to teach AI.

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Speaker 15: Well, there was this story about I think it was

1011
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Speaker 15: I think it was Universal Music Group. I think it

1012
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Speaker 15: was UMG who was threatening AI companies with lawsuits if

1013
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Speaker 15: if they use UMG artists to train their large learning models.

1014
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Speaker 15: I don't think it was Taylor Swift specifically, although she

1015
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Speaker 15: might be on UMG. I'm not sure but you know,

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Speaker 15: and then, of course, playing devil's advocate, my counter argument was, well,

1017
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Speaker 15: how is and again this is just me playing Devil's advocate,

1018
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Speaker 15: because I'll always advocate for artists. But I did raise

1019
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Speaker 15: the question, how is that different from a human? You know,

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Speaker 15: if I sit down and I write a song as

1021
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Speaker 15: a human, it's it's but it's anything that I create,

1022
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Speaker 15: anything that I write, it has been directly influenced and

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Speaker 15: informed in some way by all of the music that

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Speaker 15: I've heard over the course of my life up to

1025
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Speaker 15: that point. So how is that any different?

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Speaker 16: Because you're a human being who is taking the life

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Speaker 16: of yourself. It's not just the music you've heard. It's

1028
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 16: your life experience. It's your favorite color, it's where your

1029
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 16: house is located, where you've gone, it's all of that

1030
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Speaker 16: that plays into your creations. And as a human being,

1031
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:16,079
Speaker 16: your human creation is what we're all wanting, right, what

1032
00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:18,239
Speaker 16: we're all paying for. I mean, it might be more

1033
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Speaker 16: cost efficient to create music with AI, but that's not

1034
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Speaker 16: what I'm I personally like the creativity that comes out

1035
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,519
Speaker 16: of a human mind. With AI, you're talking about something

1036
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 16: that has the ability to remember every little thing and

1037
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Speaker 16: just spit it back out. All it's taking all of

1038
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 16: those little bit of things and spitting it back out

1039
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:41,119
Speaker 16: at you. Right, it's not creative in the same way

1040
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:44,079
Speaker 16: that we use that terminology to me involving a human

1041
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:47,159
Speaker 16: being who it's not just like I said, it's not

1042
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,239
Speaker 16: just the music they've heard, because it's fair for you

1043
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,679
Speaker 16: to say that, but it's everything else that goes along

1044
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:56,559
Speaker 16: with it, right, Life experience changes everything.

1045
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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, well, we are out of time. Thank you, Jenny.

1046
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Speaker 15: Do you want to plug your website?

1047
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Speaker 16: Absolutely? You can follow my craziness at Jencoffee dot com

1048
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Speaker 16: j E N N C O F f U I

1049
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Speaker 16: dot com and you'll find links there to my new substack.

1050
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Speaker 15: Yes, yes, and uh, thank you again Miriam for coming

1051
00:58:14,679 --> 00:58:17,599
Speaker 15: in today. Thank you for having me absolutely.

1052
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 16: And we love you.

1053
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 15: Thank you everyone who joined us. Of course uh from

1054
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:24,159
Speaker 15: Paper Jam magazine, Sheila and Tony, and of course uh

1055
00:58:24,239 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 15: the ladies from the Grandite State Blues Society.

1056
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Speaker 16: Oh, and thank you Miriam for all you do to

1057
00:58:30,599 --> 00:58:32,559
Speaker 16: help our young folks grow up.

1058
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Speaker 11: Well.

1059
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Speaker 15: Yes, thank you Maria, thank you. Yes, all right, we

1060
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 15: gotta go. If you miss any part of today's show,

1061
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 15: it will be up in just a little bit wmnhradio

1062
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Speaker 15: dot org and we'll talk to you a little bit later.

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Speaker 15: Bye everybody, my mom.

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Speaker 14: Bye, ye go by.

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Speaker 12: Side go where no sameyn, no loomy road up live.

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Speaker 7: Yes, when I was in school, did make good grades.

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Speaker 7: I was, yes, still being dumb fool when I was

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Speaker 7: still young.