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Speaker 15: I still love that song. It's got that sixty garage
Speaker 15: rock vibe that is don't You by Grimrock, And there's
Speaker 15: a very specific reason we played that. As we move
Speaker 15: into our third hour today of Matt connorton Unleashed, we
Speaker 15: are live, of course, from these studios of w m
Speaker 15: n H ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester,
Speaker 15: New Hampshire, on Canal Street. Today is Saturday July twenty seven,
Speaker 15: twenty twenty four. Jenny is here at the.
Speaker 16: News desk, present and account at farm or I.
Speaker 15: Should say news table, old habits, old habits. Yes, it's
Speaker 15: more of a table. And our friend Miriam banishes here
Speaker 15: as well. Hello Miriam. Hi, and the reason we played
Speaker 15: that so Grimrock, who by the way, is in the
Speaker 15: Facebook live chat and sent us something but don't You
Speaker 15: is the first song from Grimrock that we ever played
Speaker 15: on the show, and I do love it. We've played
Speaker 15: some of his other music as well, and I'm sure
Speaker 15: we will today as well. But he sent us a
Speaker 15: making sure the camera's on me for those watching you
Speaker 15: on the Facebook. We have a package. Grimrock sends us
Speaker 15: a lot of packages of things, which we love and
Speaker 15: appreciate very much. But we're opening this live on the air.
Speaker 16: He hangs in the office.
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, actually he does. And when we get the
Speaker 15: podcast back up and run, I.
Speaker 16: Love watching you struggle with packaging.
Speaker 15: Now this is uh yeah, I do struggle because this
Speaker 15: is very very well taped, which is good because you
Speaker 15: don't want it coming open.
Speaker 16: Uh during you need nails?
Speaker 15: I might I wonder if my keys will help me
Speaker 15: open this.
Speaker 16: That's a that is a very good go to.
Speaker 15: I don't pinch.
Speaker 16: It does work.
Speaker 15: I don't handle knives, as you know, that's my job. Yeah,
Speaker 15: because I'm like Flutts and if I handle knives, I'll
Speaker 15: end up with fewer fingers.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 16: I don't feel like spending a day in the air.
Speaker 17: Sounds like me.
Speaker 16: Yeah, I feel like we need a drum roll. Yeah,
Speaker 16: don't miss the top cover. Don't miss the top cover
Speaker 16: inside the box lid. Flip it around, flip it around
Speaker 16: the other one, and there's writing there.
Speaker 15: It is. Thank you to the w M n H
Speaker 15: family for all of the support. Matt and Jen Rock's
Speaker 15: signed Grim. Thank you very much, Thank you very much.
Speaker 15: And this is oh, this is Brandy news autographed and everything.
Speaker 16: Yes, there's only a few copies that are getting signed,
Speaker 16: so we are privileged to be given a signed copy
Speaker 16: of the New Grim CD New.
Speaker 15: Grim CD g R five. We'll have to take a
Speaker 15: picture with this afterwards.
Speaker 16: Thank you so much for sending this to us.
Speaker 15: Yes, absolutely so enjoy you. We really appreciate it. And
Speaker 15: by the way, the track don't You that I just
Speaker 15: played is on the CD. It's track number five and
Speaker 15: that's Grim's uh so. The cover model who was in
Speaker 15: the chat room is tattoo Baby. Yes, spelled B A
Speaker 15: B I I, which threw me. I thought it was
Speaker 15: I was reading it earlier. I thought it was B
Speaker 15: A B I L. My ahs were not fully cooperated,
Speaker 15: I know, I was so close. No, it's B A
Speaker 15: B I I Baby on the cover of the new
Speaker 15: grim Rock CD and someone else is in the So
Speaker 15: this is the message. Just a quick note. Tattoo Baby
Speaker 15: is the cover model on the new CD. Matt Kirshner
Speaker 15: is the guy who mixed and mastered the new CD.
Speaker 15: Ian Hemy is a friend from Pittsburgh in the band
Speaker 15: Silicon Kong who will be playing and we will be
Speaker 15: playing several shows together. So oh that's a cool name,
Speaker 15: Silicon Kong.
Speaker 11: I like that.
Speaker 15: We got to get them on the show, so very good,
Speaker 15: very good. Yeah, thank you so much, thank you to
Speaker 15: all of you. Yes, and we'll we'll play some more,
Speaker 15: you know, we've we've featured several grim Rock tracks on
Speaker 15: the show, and we'll probably play something later in the
Speaker 15: show too. But thank you so much, very very kind.
Speaker 15: We love that support, support our friend Grimrock from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 15: And who was it that we met through him? Was
Speaker 15: it Lewis Tive.
Speaker 16: He's brought me a few artists several.
Speaker 15: Yeah, Lewis Ivey is the one I was thinking of,
Speaker 15: though from from across the Pond, we're also very fond of.
Speaker 15: So very cool, very cool. Miriam. Is this your first
Speaker 15: time being in the new studio?
Speaker 17: It is?
Speaker 15: What do you think?
Speaker 17: I like it.
Speaker 13: I kind of missed the window, but then again I
Speaker 13: don't miss the sun glaring, so.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I thought it would be weird at first.
Speaker 17: Yeah, it's actually kind of nice.
Speaker 13: I imagine it's probably easier for Gus not to have
Speaker 13: like the Actually it was the news desk that had
Speaker 13: the sun going right into people's faces.
Speaker 15: Right right, yes, yes, now this is this is wonderful.
Speaker 15: It's nice, it's it's clean, everything's new. It's very very beautiful.
Speaker 15: And all the guests that we have on the show
Speaker 15: they're quite impressed.
Speaker 17: I like this.
Speaker 13: I like the chairs because the floor there you go
Speaker 13: so far I could not reach the floor.
Speaker 15: There you go, there you go comfortable. Well we can
Speaker 15: since we don't have our original guest who was supposed
Speaker 15: to join us as not able to make it. You
Speaker 15: some sort of family emergency.
Speaker 16: I yeah, uh so help everything turns out?
Speaker 15: Okay, Well, we'll go ahead and open up the studio
Speaker 15: line if anyone wants to call in during the time
Speaker 15: that we do have in this hour six oh three
Speaker 15: two five six oh seven, six oh three two five
Speaker 15: oh six oh seven. And of course hello to uh
Speaker 15: everybody in the Facebook live chat who has joined us
Speaker 15: this morning, and we don't want to remind you too,
Speaker 15: we just had in the last hour. Oh here they
Speaker 15: are got two tickets available, while these are for Jenny
Speaker 15: and I, but they are giving away the Grandit State
Speaker 15: Blue Society for their event Blues on the Range that
Speaker 15: is in Mason, New Hampshire, coming up one week from today, Saturday,
Speaker 15: August third. And if you go, unless someone's already you know,
Speaker 15: someone may have already done it for all we know,
Speaker 15: but just in case, if you go to the Granite
Speaker 15: State Blue Society Facebook page and contact them, if you
Speaker 15: are the first one to mention our conversation with Charlene
Speaker 15: and Debbie from the Grandit A Blue Society, you can
Speaker 15: get a pair of tickets for free to Blues on
Speaker 15: the Range, but you have to mention that you learned
Speaker 15: about this from our interview with them on this show
Speaker 15: on this station. You have to fulfill those requirements so
Speaker 15: there you go. And in the first hour we talked
Speaker 15: with Sheila and Tony from Paper Jam magazine. So that
Speaker 15: was also very very cool.
Speaker 11: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 16: Very enjoyable. Speaking that you mentioned about the cross the Pond.
Speaker 16: That's one of your special favorite places, isn't it, Miriam
Speaker 16: being across the pond.
Speaker 13: I ended up in England for a year. I have
Speaker 13: a master's degree from the London School of Economics. Most
Speaker 13: people don't know that about me.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I had no idea.
Speaker 16: You really didn't know.
Speaker 15: No, I didn't know that.
Speaker 13: Right's stories, which you know is nothing related to one
Speaker 13: of I do. Although no education ever goes wasted. People
Speaker 13: often will say to me, why aren't you doing more
Speaker 13: with your degree. I am doing things with my degree.
Speaker 13: I mean a degree teaches you how to think, I
Speaker 13: don't know, takes you to new places, crazy experiences.
Speaker 15: Yeah, oh well, very good.
Speaker 13: So yeah, I met Pete Townsend. That was kind of
Speaker 13: my big rock and roll story. I met Pete Townsend
Speaker 13: in London. Oh did you He was rehearsing something at
Speaker 13: a theater that was on campus, and that's the theater
Speaker 13: that I ended up going in when I graduated.
Speaker 17: So he was in there.
Speaker 13: He came out the door and he had bodyguards, and
Speaker 13: I didn't know it was him right away. Oh, just
Speaker 13: turn around and said, mister Townsend, can.
Speaker 17: Have your autograph.
Speaker 13: Yeah, And I walked by because I thought he didn't
Speaker 13: hear me, and then I turned to look back again
Speaker 13: and he was gesturing, oh, across the street for me
Speaker 13: to come across the street. Then a car came and
Speaker 13: he got scared that I was going to get hit
Speaker 13: by the car. And then I went and he signed
Speaker 13: an autograph with his own purple pen. So, oh, that's
Speaker 13: probably the craziest London story I have.
Speaker 15: Was he nice? He has a reputation for being a
Speaker 15: bit prickly, He was really nice.
Speaker 17: Yeah, oh that's very nice.
Speaker 13: I was surprised that he gestured me back over. I
Speaker 13: didn't really know that much except that I knew he
Speaker 13: was a big deal.
Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I like the music.
Speaker 15: Did you run into mc jagger at all?
Speaker 17: I did not run into mcdagger.
Speaker 15: I only asked because I know that he attended the
Speaker 15: If I'm not mistaken, didn't he attend the London School.
Speaker 13: He did attend the London School of Economics quite a
Speaker 13: few years before I did, and he quit in order
Speaker 13: to become a rock and roll star.
Speaker 15: So yes, yes, you know, oh he never graduated. No, oh,
Speaker 15: I didn't know that.
Speaker 17: And so he makes good money though.
Speaker 13: You know, he made the right choice as far as
Speaker 13: London School of Economics is concerned, right, he took the
Speaker 13: best economy for him.
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, Oh. Matt Kirschner in the chat says, got
Speaker 15: to run. Guys, we'll be tuning in again. Love what
Speaker 15: you're doing here, Thank you, thank you, and we'd love
Speaker 15: to get you on the show in the very near future.
Speaker 15: And yeah, absolutely absolutely, m Yeah, they say that a
Speaker 15: lot of Mick. You know, Mick is known for his
Speaker 15: business acumen and uh that's I remember years ago reading
Speaker 15: that he had attended the London School of Economics and
Speaker 15: thought all that it kind of explains a lot, right absolutely.
Speaker 15: Speaking of across the pond, Uh, I just saw this
Speaker 15: story pop up about Shnead O'Connor and her wax figure. Apparently, Uh,
Speaker 15: it's been pulled because it looks terrible to see this.
Speaker 15: Did you see this? Yeah? Uh, this is from the Guardian.
Speaker 15: Shnad O'Connor waxwork pulled from Dublin Museum after backlash the
Speaker 15: Irish singer's brother speaks of shop hideous figure which looked
Speaker 15: nothing like her. And when I look at the image
Speaker 15: in the article again this is from the Guardian, it
Speaker 15: looks like reminds me of I forget the name of
Speaker 15: the character now from the first Star Trek movie, the
Speaker 15: woman with the shaved head, but yeah, it says Dublin's
Speaker 15: Wax Museum is withdrawing a figure of Sinead O'Connor amid
Speaker 15: criticism from her family and members of the public that
Speaker 15: it looked nothing like her. Then he reacted with shock
Speaker 15: when the waxwork figure was unveiled on Thursday. The museum's
Speaker 15: team met on Friday morning and decided to remove the
Speaker 15: waxwork of the Irish singer, admitting that it can do
Speaker 15: better and pledging to create a more accurate representation. Her brother,
Speaker 15: John O'Connor, said he was shocked when he first saw
Speaker 15: it online and said it did not look like her
Speaker 15: at all. Speaking on RTA radio's Liveline program on Friday
Speaker 15: after it was announced the figure would be withdrawn, he
Speaker 15: said he had not been made aware that a wax
Speaker 15: work of his sister was to be unveiled this week.
Speaker 15: Didn't even tell a family isn't that weird.
Speaker 16: It's very weird. I just sent you the picture, Miriam,
Speaker 16: so you could take a look at it too.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I don't. I agree. I agree.
Speaker 16: I don't think it looks like her. I think it's
Speaker 16: I think it was generic looking. It kind of looks
Speaker 16: like a.
Speaker 17: Star Trek sorry.
Speaker 15: The name, yeah, yeah, the character from Star Trek.
Speaker 16: Oh, I can't remember work No, from.
Speaker 15: The first Star Trek movie, the very the very first
Speaker 15: movie in seventy nine. You know the one where they
Speaker 15: had the uniforms that looked like pajamas. There's a character
Speaker 15: with a honestly a female with a bald head.
Speaker 13: Yeah, I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 13: can't think of her name.
Speaker 15: Yeah, the brother said quote. When I saw it online yesterday,
Speaker 15: I was shocked. I thought it looked something between a
Speaker 15: mannequin and something out of the Thunderbirds. I thought she
Speaker 15: made would have been very fond of looking well, and
Speaker 15: she certainly did. And if it was supposed to be
Speaker 15: a representation of her in her early twenties when she did,
Speaker 15: nothing compares to you, it just looked nothing like her.
Speaker 15: I thought it was hideous. A friend of mine said
Speaker 15: to me last night that he'd be that he'd seen
Speaker 15: better in Shaw's department store in the window. There's also
Speaker 15: enough visual stuff out there in terms of videos and
Speaker 15: photos that show what she did look like. Unquote. O'Connor
Speaker 15: suggested that a better way to honor his sister would
Speaker 15: be to put a statue of her in Dublin. He
Speaker 15: said it was particularly upsetting to speak about the issue
Speaker 15: on Friday, the first anniversary of her death at the
Speaker 15: age of fifty six. Okay, so it was a year
Speaker 15: ago that Dhad O'Connor passed away.
Speaker 16: Yes, natural causes. Yeah, fortunately, she was just found down.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 15: Well, yeah, because in her home there was speculation at
Speaker 15: the time that she may have committed suicide. It was not.
Speaker 16: It was a natural causes. Does her her son, I
Speaker 16: think just within she did commit Yeah, yeah, within a
Speaker 16: I think it had been like about a year or so.
Speaker 15: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 16: He was very young too.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 16: She had a lot of strife in her life, a
Speaker 16: lot of pain and suffering in her life that channeled
Speaker 16: into her music. That actually promoted her popularity because people
Speaker 16: could relate to her pain. Yeah, in ways that nobody
Speaker 16: else had brought it out. She was very unique, very
Speaker 16: unique in her style. I think she had four kids.
Speaker 16: I want to say, I don't know she she had
Speaker 16: a few, yeah, but I'm not exactly positive on how many.
Speaker 16: But it's weird that they would put up something like
Speaker 16: this and unveil it but not have the like when
Speaker 16: you want the family present to unveil the statue, you
Speaker 16: would think.
Speaker 15: Right, yeah, I mean, unless they were thinking, uh, oh,
Speaker 15: this doesn't look that great. Let's just not say anything
Speaker 15: and maybe they won't notice, you know.
Speaker 16: But really, did you see how many people turned out
Speaker 16: for her funeral? No one's gonna notice. Give me a break.
Speaker 15: Well, you know, if you just you keep it on
Speaker 15: the d L you know, with the wax figure, just
Speaker 15: just let it get out there organically, you know.
Speaker 11: Maybe uh you know.
Speaker 15: But that way, if the family doesn't know right away,
Speaker 15: you know, but it's been there for a while, it's harder.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 15: Then It's like say a year went by and the
Speaker 15: family had no idea, and then one day the brother notices.
Speaker 15: If it's already been there for a year, it'd be
Speaker 15: kind of awkward for the brother to be like, hey,
Speaker 15: can you get rid of this? It's like a dude,
Speaker 15: it's already been there. A year.
Speaker 16: The facial structure isn't even close. I'm looking at this manigan,
Speaker 16: looking at the pictures of her, and going, I can
Speaker 16: understand why her brother was upset.
Speaker 15: Uh huh, Well, maybe there's something about her that's just
Speaker 15: difficult to recreate as a wax figure. I think would
Speaker 15: come on. Maybe maybe there's something I mean, maybe there's
Speaker 15: something about Irish people. It's just hard to stop it.
Speaker 15: I can say that I'm Irish, so it's not it's
Speaker 15: not racist.
Speaker 16: Talking about his Irish Irish melon.
Speaker 15: Yes, I do. I have an enormous head because Irish
Speaker 15: people have large heads. For mother, and yeah, no kidding
Speaker 15: not Yeah, she was torn up about it. But but
Speaker 15: I realized years ago what oh she was like, well
Speaker 15: my son was a freakishly large head. That's that's upsetting.
Speaker 15: But years ago, years and years ago. See, I never
Speaker 15: realized it for a lot of my life. And then
Speaker 15: one night I'm watching Conan O'Brien and he made a
Speaker 15: joke about his own very large head and said Irish
Speaker 15: people have large heads, and I'd never thought about this
Speaker 15: is one hundred percent true. By the way, this isn't
Speaker 15: just to be funny. This is true and I'd never
Speaker 15: thought about it before until he said that. I was like, wait,
Speaker 15: do I have a large head? And I went to
Speaker 15: look in the bathroom mirror and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 15: I do have a large head. And I'd never thought
Speaker 15: about it before, but I do. And then I realized
Speaker 15: that it is true. Like Chris Matthews. I used to
Speaker 15: watch a lot of hardball, Chris Matthews, he has a
Speaker 15: large head. He's got a big Irish hell, big Irish melon.
Speaker 15: And who else Tip O'Neil had a very large head.
Speaker 15: This is something Irish people have, I mean, And then
Speaker 15: I thought, wow, I do I have a big Irish hed.
Speaker 15: I look like a South Park character. I got this
Speaker 15: enormous head. But that's okay. I need a large head
Speaker 15: to hold my enormous sprain. Oh my god. So it's
Speaker 15: why Irish people are going to shove.
Speaker 16: Him through the door to fit him through at the
Speaker 16: end of the day.
Speaker 15: Why we're so smart we have enormous heads to hold
Speaker 15: our enormous brains. See, it all makes sense. But I
Speaker 15: have to say, in this pigure, this picture of the
Speaker 15: wax figure, I can't see how large the head is
Speaker 15: in proportion with the rest of the body. So I
Speaker 15: don't know if they made her with a large head
Speaker 15: or she even had a large head. I never noticed
Speaker 15: if Sinad O'Connor had a large head.
Speaker 16: But she stuck on this, aren't you.
Speaker 15: Well she's Irish. Yes, she's Irish, so she must have
Speaker 15: had a large head. We all do.
Speaker 16: Actually, I thought she was kind of demure, smaller in size.
Speaker 15: Yeah maybe maybe.
Speaker 16: Not all Irish people have big heads.
Speaker 15: Like you men. Maybe the people when they made the
Speaker 15: wax figure they created her with a larger head than
Speaker 15: she actually had because they figured, well, she's Irish, obviously
Speaker 15: we need to put this enormous head on top.
Speaker 17: Of the well.
Speaker 16: They did make it more rounded and less narrow than
Speaker 16: it truly is.
Speaker 15: So do you think so? Is that your assessment?
Speaker 16: That is my assessment.
Speaker 15: Yes, it's too it's too round.
Speaker 13: It's too round, Okay, I agree, Yeah.
Speaker 15: But well my head is round and I'm Irish.
Speaker 16: But hers has a narrowing chin. Mine not fully rounded.
Speaker 15: Actually mine's not fully rounded either, because I have a point.
Speaker 16: Do not have a point.
Speaker 15: I do have a point to your head, it's not point.
Speaker 15: I'm from France. I do have a conehead.
Speaker 16: This is what I've had to put up with all
Speaker 16: morning Miriam.
Speaker 15: So the brother he told on this radio show. He said, quote,
Speaker 15: I lost my sister, and to me that's important since
Speaker 15: she's not here to defend herself or to speak for herself.
Speaker 15: I just took it upon myself to contact you about it.
Speaker 15: Unquote yeah, because sometimes like because it's not like they
Speaker 15: only do wax figures of dead people, right, Sometimes they
Speaker 15: do wax figures of people who are alive. Like somebody
Speaker 15: somewhere made a wax figure of the rock and I
Speaker 15: remember the rock was like making fun of it, like, wow,
Speaker 15: that doesn't look like me.
Speaker 13: There's a whole museum in London, Madame Tussau's wax museum,
Speaker 13: full of people.
Speaker 17: Who are still a lot.
Speaker 11: Did you go there when you.
Speaker 13: Were I did not that visit to London, but a
Speaker 13: previous visit to London.
Speaker 15: Oh okay, go in there now. If you were to
Speaker 15: walk in there, like if you were to walk in
Speaker 15: there today and they had a wax figure of Shinead
Speaker 15: O'Connor and it looked like this, would you say something?
Speaker 15: Would you be like, hey, what are you people doing?
Speaker 17: I might mutter to myself, I don't think that looks
Speaker 17: like her.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, you would you, but you wouldn't say anything.
Speaker 13: Walk by probably and yeah, yeah, you know, just look
Speaker 13: at the next thing.
Speaker 15: See that's what they were counting on, people walk by,
Speaker 15: walking by. I'm not there.
Speaker 17: I don't know if i'd have said anything.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, I think the whole concept is kind of weird,
Speaker 15: to be honest with you, spooky if it's a dead person.
Speaker 16: I mean, I don't think you know, spooky.
Speaker 13: I think hart movies have been made about wax museums
Speaker 13: and like ancent Price exactly.
Speaker 15: See, that's the thing that's what freaks me out.
Speaker 13: Right, And so I think that the whole premise of
Speaker 13: that movie is that they weren't wax figures, they were
Speaker 13: people covered.
Speaker 17: In why right, See, that would be He's very creepy.
Speaker 16: I'm sure a Doctor Who episode like that.
Speaker 13: Probably there are Doctor Who figures in the Madame Tussau's
Speaker 13: wax Museum, which.
Speaker 17: Are very cool.
Speaker 15: Ooh.
Speaker 16: I wanted to have any.
Speaker 13: Fund When I first saw that, it was like I
Speaker 13: had sort of recently become aware of Doctor Who. I
Speaker 13: started dating a guy in nineteen seventy nine that was
Speaker 13: a big Doctor Who fan, and I went to London
Speaker 13: in nineteen eighty two, and I saw in all these
Speaker 13: wax figures of all the characters and things up to
Speaker 13: that point.
Speaker 16: They have a wax figure of a Darlk of a Donalek.
Speaker 17: Yes they do, they do.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, I said that kind of sarcastically, but I
Speaker 16: didn't expect.
Speaker 17: You to say that they did the crazy things.
Speaker 16: Oh, they must have a weeping angel then.
Speaker 17: Probably I haven't been there since.
Speaker 16: They Now I'm on a doctor who kick.
Speaker 15: Oh well, so there's a little bit more to this.
Speaker 15: Patty Dunning the Wax Museum, that's a very Patty Pa
Speaker 15: d d Y, that's a very as name. The Wax
Speaker 15: Museum director, who said he was a longtime friend to
Speaker 15: Oceanead O'Connor oh apologize to the family. He said that
Speaker 15: the Wax Museums sculptor PJ. Harridy delivered the figure the
Speaker 15: night before it was unveiled. He said the artist had
Speaker 15: done fantastic work in previous years, but has not been
Speaker 15: been feeling well and had retired. I get it. So
Speaker 15: the artist wasn't feeling well.
Speaker 16: And they pulled him out of retirement apparently to this. Yes,
Speaker 16: so there might have been a little spite involved there.
Speaker 15: Right right, he was probably like, uh, I was retired.
Speaker 15: I was enjoying my retirement. But now I'm resentful, so
Speaker 15: I'm going to sabotage O'Connor wax figure. Yes, yeah, Patty,
Speaker 15: that is petty angry if I were, If I were
Speaker 15: a resentful wax figure sculptor, I would not you know,
Speaker 15: I just I would still try to do a good job,
Speaker 15: you know. I mean, I might be mad about it.
Speaker 16: But they are kind of creepy, the wax figures. Yeah,
Speaker 16: well yeah, yeah, they look like dead people standing.
Speaker 13: I think they they don't always look like the people
Speaker 13: that they're made to look like. No, no, I don't
Speaker 13: know that I was really all that impressed with very
Speaker 13: many of them.
Speaker 16: Did you find it creepy walking through all of these?
Speaker 13: It was creepy, and the lights are kind of low.
Speaker 13: Maybe they're hoping you're not going to notice perfections.
Speaker 17: I don't know.
Speaker 16: It seems like the below that's the trek. Did you
Speaker 16: see lighting?
Speaker 15: Did you see any of that? You looked at that
Speaker 15: where you thought, this one doesn't look quite right. I
Speaker 15: wonder if if the person who created this particular wax
Speaker 15: figure was had been pulled out of retirement and was
Speaker 15: feeling resentful.
Speaker 17: I did not think that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, and not feeling well.
Speaker 15: And not feeling well even occurred to me. Yeah, yeah, wow.
Speaker 16: What was your favorite part of being there?
Speaker 17: Being in London?
Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm just curious, like, was there a favorite location.
Speaker 13: Or Douven Garden is my favorite place probably in the world.
Speaker 13: It's well, I haven't traveled that much, but London is.
Speaker 17: Pretty far from home.
Speaker 13: Covent Garden is like a big sort of outdoor mall
Speaker 13: but a lot older, so really old buildings. It's kind
Speaker 13: of open, but it has a roof on it and
Speaker 13: they have like flea market stalls kinds of things and
Speaker 13: shops they have. They used to have a magic stand,
Speaker 13: like they had magicians there and they were selling the
Speaker 13: little cheap magic trips tricks that you buy and usually
Speaker 13: street performers and that's a lot of fun.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was a little bit more of this. So
Speaker 15: the guy of this, Patty Dunning guy said, when I
Speaker 15: had a look at the statue, I walked in to
Speaker 15: launch it, and when I saw it, I didn't get
Speaker 15: that feeling that I normally get from pj's fantastic work.
Speaker 15: My heart sunk a little bit. We went ahead with
Speaker 15: the launch, and I didn't sleep last night. Unquote. Spy
Speaker 15: O'Connor on the radio program if the Dublin National Wax
Speaker 15: Museum was doing this to get publicity, Dunning said, quote no,
Speaker 15: absolutely not. The wax Museum runs itself without publicity. We
Speaker 15: have a launch and that's it. I had to take
Speaker 15: the decision to cancel the statue, and we'll go again,
Speaker 15: and we'll remodel, and we have to do better on
Speaker 15: this occasion unquote. So they're gonna try to make that right,
Speaker 15: that's yes, yes, well, very very good. What was your
Speaker 15: favorite part about going to the Madam Cusso's.
Speaker 13: It was the Doctor Who exhibit, Like you know, you're
Speaker 13: coming around the corner and you start to hear that
Speaker 13: music and I'm like, oh, it's going to be a
Speaker 13: Doctor Who thing. And then seeing you know a lot
Speaker 13: of the characters, the creatures, the monsters, daff Ross, who
Speaker 13: is the guy who invented the Daleks and Bah or
Speaker 13: rather invented that. I think it's an exoskeleton for like.
Speaker 16: A mutant of some Well that sounds frightening. It is.
Speaker 13: It's really scary because we're very afraid of the Daleks.
Speaker 16: Yes, I've never got never got into that doctor germinate.
Speaker 15: I've never seen single episode of anything doctor who related
Speaker 15: in my life?
Speaker 16: Was your favorite? Who was your favorite doctor who?
Speaker 13: Probably John Pertwee. He was not the first one I saw,
Speaker 13: but he was super super nice. Because I used to
Speaker 13: go to the conventions. I took a photo of him
Speaker 13: at one convention and then I took that photo with
Speaker 13: me to another convention for him to sign and Elizabeth Slayton,
Speaker 13: who played Sarah Jane Smith, was there at the con too,
Speaker 13: and he took the picture.
Speaker 16: Said Sarah, look at this.
Speaker 13: It's amazing, it's beautiful, and he was so excited about
Speaker 13: this photo I took.
Speaker 17: So that kind of you know.
Speaker 13: He he loved fans, He loved to participate. He was
Speaker 13: always positive with people. So John Pertwee is probably my favorite.
Speaker 13: And he's from like way back. He's like one of the.
Speaker 16: He's before the curly haired guy, right.
Speaker 17: Yes, he is the third doctor.
Speaker 16: So curly haired guy was kind of the most famous
Speaker 16: of I wish I could say what his name is.
Speaker 13: It's Tom Baker. And I met him too. I've got
Speaker 13: pictures of me with a bunch of them.
Speaker 16: Was he the first one with the long scarf?
Speaker 17: He was the one with the long scarf. Yeah, nobody.
Speaker 17: I don't think any of the others had long scarfs.
Speaker 16: Oh yeah, you're right, that wasn't true.
Speaker 13: But he was the first doctor that I saw. Most
Speaker 13: people the first one that they see, it's their favorite.
Speaker 13: And I do love his episodes. But because my experience
Speaker 13: with John Pertweet, I just, you know, I just had
Speaker 13: to be my favorite. So tom Baker is still around.
Speaker 13: John is long gone, the first.
Speaker 17: Three or gone.
Speaker 16: They should have him come in to an episode, and
Speaker 16: I guess it would be fun.
Speaker 17: That would be really fun.
Speaker 16: Tom Baker, tom Baker, one of the previous doctor who's
Speaker 16: although I was supposed to can do that right now?
Speaker 16: Maybe they could pull that off somehow well. As each
Speaker 16: doctor dies, they disintegrate and then it becomes thet gene,
Speaker 16: an entirely new human. It could be of any.
Speaker 17: That way, any actor can replace.
Speaker 13: It was a very convenient way for a new actor
Speaker 13: to come in and replace. They didn't try to replace
Speaker 13: the actor. They just brought in a new person and
Speaker 13: wrote in this brilliant idea of regeneration into the next appearance.
Speaker 13: He's always worried he's gonna have red hair.
Speaker 5: But.
Speaker 11: Oh we have a question.
Speaker 15: Grim Rock is asking in the chat did you get
Speaker 15: to see any Rolling Stones related landmarks when you were
Speaker 15: in London?
Speaker 13: I didn't, unless you count the London School of Economics.
Speaker 17: I don't know. Maybe I didn't. I didn't get taken
Speaker 17: a tour.
Speaker 16: Didn't you get to go down to where the Beatles
Speaker 16: were though?
Speaker 17: Ali rode that, yeah, No, I didn't go to Abbey
Speaker 17: to go there.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 16: For some reason, I thought you a.
Speaker 13: Lot of actors that I recognized from British television just
Speaker 13: walking down the street. People were just I mean, Pete
Speaker 13: Townsend was just walking down the street, because I think
Speaker 13: Brits are a little less likely to sort of run
Speaker 13: at them.
Speaker 15: Yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 16: The Americans are pretty British ourselves.
Speaker 13: Yes, and they comment on it. I met Michael Palin.
Speaker 13: He was Michael Palin from Monty Python. He was directing
Speaker 13: a play and I was walking through Covent Garden, my favorite,
Speaker 13: and uh, he was outside the theater. It was early
Speaker 13: in the morning, and so I asked him for an autograph,
Speaker 13: and then I asked if I could hug him, and
Speaker 13: he said, oh, you Americans, and then he hugged me.
Speaker 13: So and I had him sign a train ticket because
Speaker 13: he loves trains. He did a whole series about train travels.
Speaker 13: Oh so that was kind of fun. Oh, very good though,
Speaker 13: but no not not no rolling Stone kind of stuff.
Speaker 15: Yeah, uh, we should we should play another Uh, let's
Speaker 15: play another grim rock track from from the new album
Speaker 15: uh gr y R five.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 15: This is called you Belong to Me and then uh
Speaker 15: and then we'll come back and talk a little bit.
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Speaker 15: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are alive from
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Speaker 15: this Saturday morning, July twenty seven, twenty twenty four. Jenny
Speaker 15: is here, of course, and president and accounted for. Miriam
Speaker 15: is here with us, and we just decided to spend
Speaker 15: another grimrock tune because he very kindly. If you are
Speaker 15: just joining us and I'll hold this up again for
Speaker 15: those watching online if you can see the video. Of course,
Speaker 15: grim Rock sent us GR five his new release and
Speaker 15: really love what he does. He is from Pennsylvania and
Speaker 15: we'll have to have him back on the show again
Speaker 15: soon too, but always nice and he included this wonderful
Speaker 15: note thank you to the WM and H family for
Speaker 15: all of the support Matt and Jen Rock's assigned to
Speaker 15: Grim so we appreciate that. And yeah, that was another
Speaker 15: track called you Belong You See, which we really like
Speaker 15: a lot. We've met some great people through Grim as well.
Speaker 15: We have.
Speaker 16: I had a curiosity question for you. I've just recently
Speaker 16: learned that this summer of music is the brat summer Brat.
Speaker 16: Summer Bratt is now apparently a good word. If you're
Speaker 16: called a brat, it means that you're like a a
Speaker 16: bad butt woman kind of a thing, and not a
Speaker 16: bad word. And that was new to me. The youngins
Speaker 16: are saying this now, Maddie Bratt, I.
Speaker 13: Think I would be able to keep up with it.
Speaker 13: I don't know fits and traders who are maybe a
Speaker 13: little young for it.
Speaker 16: I actually like it. I like, yeah, so we're taking
Speaker 16: that and being like, yeah, that's gonna be a good
Speaker 16: word now, Brat's right.
Speaker 15: Huh No, I'm not heard that this is a new
Speaker 15: term to me.
Speaker 16: Yes, yes, Bitchburg Records did a whole article about the
Speaker 16: summer it being the brat summer or something like that,
Speaker 16: and so I of course had to go down the
Speaker 16: rabbit hole to figure out what the heck of bratt
Speaker 16: summer was. But it's actually gaining even more in popularity
Speaker 16: for women to call each other brats apparently, And it's
Speaker 16: a good It's it's meaning you, I think you're your
Speaker 16: kick butt, You're you're a bad butt.
Speaker 17: I like it.
Speaker 11: I like it too.
Speaker 16: I like the idea of that. I can live with that.
Speaker 15: I like that.
Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, there are much worse things people could say.
Speaker 15: We should mention too, and I told them I would
Speaker 15: pump it up on the show. So we had recently,
Speaker 15: just a few weeks ago, actually we had a couple
Speaker 15: of fine folks from Sister Witch Company, Yeah and hooks It.
Speaker 15: We had Mary the owner and Sue the manager. They
Speaker 15: were on the show with us, and I have been
Speaker 15: invited to participate in an event August seventeenth, which is
Speaker 15: a Saturday, So I'll be getting there late, of course,
Speaker 15: or we if you're going, I don't know if you're
Speaker 15: going with me or not, of what your plan is,
Speaker 15: but but you're welcome to of course. But I'm gonna
Speaker 15: be doing some hypnosis at the event, so Sister Which
Speaker 15: Company and Hooks It. There's going to be several different
Speaker 15: people they're doing things. And it actually starts at noon,
Speaker 15: but again, you know, we don't get out of here
Speaker 15: until about one pm by the time the show's all
Speaker 15: uploaded and everything. So I will be starting at two
Speaker 15: pm that day at Sister Witch Company, but you can
Speaker 15: reserve a spot. I'll be doing group sessions, individual sessions.
Speaker 15: But it is a great place, Sister Witch Company and
Speaker 15: Hooks It and it's right on Ruth three, very very
Speaker 15: easy to find, so and in a great business and
Speaker 15: I well there's going to be more coming from them
Speaker 15: in the near future as well. So stay two. Yeah,
Speaker 15: really cool. Actually, yeah, no, I'm excited about it. I
Speaker 15: haven't done an event like that in a while. You
Speaker 15: used to do a lot of a lot of events
Speaker 15: way back back in the day when I was Norm
Speaker 15: Moody's co host on a television show. We used to
Speaker 15: do some events together.
Speaker 16: Do you remember him? I saw the look on your face, Miriam.
Speaker 16: Do you remember Norm Moody?
Speaker 13: No, I've heard people talk about him, but I don't
Speaker 13: remember Norm.
Speaker 18: Yeah.
Speaker 13: I think that was kind of before I was aware
Speaker 13: of any of the I mean, I grew up in Pennsylvania, So.
Speaker 15: Oh, you grew up in Pennsylvania. Do you know Grimrock?
Speaker 13: I don't know Grimrock, but I was curious what part
Speaker 13: of Pennsylvania Grimrock is from.
Speaker 11: Do you know the Amish Mafia?
Speaker 16: I don't, Okay, there in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 15: It was a reality show that I used to watch,
Speaker 15: which was very, very in terms of scripted reality shows,
Speaker 15: that was one of the more scripted.
Speaker 16: You know, I'm sorry, my brain's all over the place today.
Speaker 13: I remember watching another show where I think it was
Speaker 13: people who were sort of trying to leave that community.
Speaker 17: Yeah, and.
Speaker 13: I've been to like places where in Amish country and
Speaker 13: they have restaurants and things like that, But Amish Mafia,
Speaker 13: I'm not familiar with them.
Speaker 17: Maybe I need to check it out.
Speaker 15: Yeah, it was on like a e or the Learning
Speaker 15: Channel or something, and it lasted like three seasons, but
Speaker 15: it was it was so obviously fake. You could go
Speaker 15: online and look up the people and find I mean
Speaker 15: there were actors, you know, playing these characters. It was
Speaker 15: pretty ridiculous, just quickly something I found online from musiclly
Speaker 15: dot com. You know, we talk on the show a
Speaker 15: lot recently about AI and how it's impacting the music industry.
Speaker 15: There's a British startup company called Major Label Artists Club
Speaker 15: and it's setting its cap at independent artists, labels and
Speaker 15: managers with a service to help them manage their businesses online.
Speaker 15: It's also thinking about the industry debates around AI technologies
Speaker 15: and has announced a partnership relating to that. The partner
Speaker 15: is a French audio tech company, Irkham Irkham Amplify, but
Speaker 15: they will be using its technology to detect and block
Speaker 15: AI music from being distributed through its platform. And I
Speaker 15: think this is an interesting development because I mean, this
Speaker 15: is a small startup that's doing this, But I wonder
Speaker 15: if we're going to see this showing up in other
Speaker 15: uh with other music distributors where they actually have ways
Speaker 15: to detect. That's pretty interesting, be able to detect IA
Speaker 15: generated music and block it from being disseminated on their platforms.
Speaker 15: But I just wonder how accurate will that be, especially
Speaker 15: especially if it's you know, like electronic music, Like.
Speaker 17: How is it how?
Speaker 15: Yeah, how is it going to be able to detect?
Speaker 15: I'm curious how the software works and uh, I'm sure
Speaker 15: it's not perfect, but it says here. So the company
Speaker 15: in a blog post said, quote, using their technology, we
Speaker 15: will be able to scan up of five thousand music
Speaker 15: tracks and under a minute, detecting and blocking AI music
Speaker 15: from distribution with an accuracy rate of ninety eight point
Speaker 15: five per sound. We exist to ensure independent artists always
Speaker 15: get paid their fair share of music royalties from streams, sales,
Speaker 15: and live performances. We can't just sit back and watch
Speaker 15: as their music has been stolen to train AI music tools. Unquote.
Speaker 15: That's from co founder Mark Knight.
Speaker 16: And we've talked about that before, about these AI companies
Speaker 16: using modern music to train their artificial intelligence with. So
Speaker 16: then they have all of those that artists, all these
Speaker 16: different artists music in their banks basically, So what they're
Speaker 16: coming out with is that truly original or is it
Speaker 16: just a mosh of what they've taken in and it's
Speaker 16: just a computer spitting it right back out at you. Yeah,
Speaker 16: I mean everybody, No music doesn't mimic other music everybody.
Speaker 16: Every musician has is you know, you listen to different
Speaker 16: things and it comes out and but it comes out
Speaker 16: in your artistry. But it's yeah, and it's your creative
Speaker 16: mind and juices that are pulling that around that. But
Speaker 16: computerized music takes all of the magic out of it.
Speaker 16: To me, yeah, you know, I don't want something that
Speaker 16: some computers spit out. I like the idea of somebody's
Speaker 16: brainchild coming out in a tapestry of notes.
Speaker 17: Coming from their brain.
Speaker 15: Yeah, And in principle I agree with all of that,
Speaker 15: but as you know, I just have some concerns about
Speaker 15: how how the music industry and how legally you know,
Speaker 15: because you know there's going to be laws made about
Speaker 15: all this stuff too inevitably, you know how from a
Speaker 15: practical and pragmatic standpoint, how is that all going to work?
Speaker 15: And I don't know, and I think it's I think
Speaker 15: it's complicated. I mean, at the end of the day,
Speaker 15: I'll always advocate on behalf of artists and protecting artists,
Speaker 15: but but I'm not sure, like I'm as you can tell,
Speaker 15: just as I was reading it, I'm already skeptical about
Speaker 15: this technology that is going to somehow be able to
Speaker 15: detect any AI generated music with a ninety eight and
Speaker 15: a half percent accuracy rate. I'm skeptical and it says
Speaker 15: here too in the article. As ever, with this kind
Speaker 15: of thing, the key will be in the definition of
Speaker 15: AI music and how flexible the filters are. Entirely AI
Speaker 15: generated music is presumably what the companies want to block,
Speaker 15: rather than music being made by human artists who are
Speaker 15: using AI tools for some part of their creative process.
Speaker 13: See that's so, that's yeah, that's where it's going to
Speaker 13: get and it gets sticky the great Yeah, that's where
Speaker 13: how much is you?
Speaker 16: How much is machine?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 13: We really should have been thinking about this a long
Speaker 13: time ago. And this goes takes me back to London
Speaker 13: School of Economics because my master's thesis was public Understanding
Speaker 13: of Artificial Intelligence. So in nineteen ninety three ninety four
Speaker 13: we already knew.
Speaker 17: It was coming.
Speaker 13: It was already happening, but just you know, small scale
Speaker 13: people were experimenting with it, I guess, but we already
Speaker 13: knew AI was coming.
Speaker 15: Yeah, but it's.
Speaker 13: Only in the last two years that everybody is kind
Speaker 13: of really thinking about it.
Speaker 17: The schools or are upset. A lot of people at
Speaker 17: schools are really worried about.
Speaker 15: Yeah, oh, no doubt. Yeah, Silicon Kong is I guess
Speaker 15: optimistic that this software will work, says in the chat room.
Speaker 15: They will detect loops from original music. I utilize many electronics.
Speaker 15: They will be able to determine the difference. And grim
Speaker 15: Rock said, oh that was me Lol. I was calling
Speaker 15: in to thank you for everything personally, but thank you
Speaker 15: for everything you do for indie artists like myself. Oh
Speaker 15: you're very welcome, grim Rock. By the way, the reason
Speaker 15: I didn't pick up is you were calling my cell phone.
Speaker 15: I did see you show up on my cell phone.
Speaker 15: But if you want to call this studio line really quick,
Speaker 15: you can. We do have a few minutes left. Six
Speaker 15: O three two five oh six oh seven six O
Speaker 15: three two five oh six oh seven. Uh that is
Speaker 15: the studio line here at w M and h uh
Speaker 15: but uh and uh. Grim is in the Pittsburgh area
Speaker 15: of Pennsylvania. By the way, I don't know if that's
Speaker 15: I don't think that's where the Amish Mafia was Pittsburgh.
Speaker 15: But anyway, but yeah, it's interesting. So what are they
Speaker 15: worried about in schools? Like kids using AI to to
Speaker 15: write papers? To write papers.
Speaker 13: And that's exactly the study that I did involved asking
Speaker 13: people questions about what they understood about AI and the
Speaker 13: people that I was living with. The woman she worked,
Speaker 13: she was the deputy head at a secondary school, and
Speaker 13: she gave my questionnaire to some kids, and almost all
Speaker 13: of those kids said they wanted the AI to do
Speaker 13: their homework. Yeah, and to clean the house, like to
Speaker 13: do their chores and to do their homework. So this
Speaker 13: was this is been a long time coming, but it's yeah,
Speaker 13: so here it is.
Speaker 15: Yeah, here it is. Yeah. Oh I thought grim Rock
Speaker 15: was on the phone, but nobody there. Yeah, it's uh yeah,
Speaker 15: it's a whole new world in some ways, right. I mean,
Speaker 15: I use chat GPT in some of my work and
Speaker 15: I find it quite quite helpful. You can certainly save
Speaker 15: a lot of time, certainly save a lot of time
Speaker 15: with it. There's also an article here. Oh I think
Speaker 15: this is grim calling back? Grim Is that you? Hello?
Speaker 18: Hey?
Speaker 15: How are you hey? Grim Rock? How are you doing? Welcome?
Speaker 18: I just wanted to I was going to call in
Speaker 18: just to personally thank you, uh you know, for for
Speaker 18: all the support and everything you and Gen do for
Speaker 18: everybody and uh putting on the show you do. And
Speaker 18: it's just it's a great format and a great platform
Speaker 18: for people to get recognized and noticed, and it's just
Speaker 18: it's been really cool and I really appreciate it a lot.
Speaker 15: Oh well, thank you, We appreciate you. We love your
Speaker 15: music and we are very happy to help to showcase
Speaker 15: it and thank you. Thank you so much, and thank
Speaker 15: you for sending us stuff. We always appreciate that too.
Speaker 15: It's wonderful to get that CD in the mail, and
Speaker 15: we really appreciate it.
Speaker 18: Hey, anytime, I'm glad that I can send things like
Speaker 18: that to everybody, you know.
Speaker 15: Yeah, yeah, at fun absolutely absolutely, Hey, where should people
Speaker 15: because time is short unfortunately, but where should people go
Speaker 15: to keep up with everything that you're doing online?
Speaker 18: Let's go to Grim rock and roll dot com. All
Speaker 18: one more, Grim rock and roll dot com.
Speaker 15: Okay, well that's easy, that's easy, Very good, very good,
Speaker 15: all right, Grim. Well, hey, thank you so much for
Speaker 15: the call, my friend, and we should do a long
Speaker 15: form interview in the future, in the not too distant future,
Speaker 15: because you've always got a lot going on, so we'd
Speaker 15: love to do that with you again.
Speaker 18: Absolutely, and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 15: Thank you for having me absolutely any time. All right,
Speaker 15: take care man, all right, by bye bye.
Speaker 16: All right.
Speaker 15: That was grim Rock from Pennsylvania and you can go
Speaker 15: to grimrockandroll dot com to keep up with everything that
Speaker 15: he's doing.
Speaker 16: I drop the link in the chat room for you.
Speaker 16: If you happen to be in the Facebook chat room,
Speaker 16: you can check out grim Rock's Facebook page.
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, one of my favorites. Yeah, so what's uh,
Speaker 15: we only have a couple of minutes left, Miriam. I
Speaker 15: know it's a big question, but what's what's the answer.
Speaker 15: Do you think with the AI and schools, is there
Speaker 15: a solution?
Speaker 13: Probably get understanding it better, Yeah, is a really good idea.
Speaker 13: I mean they're starting to sort of embrace well, maybe
Speaker 13: we can use it this way, so, you know, like
Speaker 13: technology can be good and it can also be not
Speaker 13: so good, and so finding the good in it and
Speaker 13: finding ways to use that way and then also trying
Speaker 13: to figure out ways to avoid it being used inappropriately.
Speaker 17: So just learning about it is probably the main thing.
Speaker 15: Yeah.
Speaker 16: Bottom line, it's gonna be more and more prevalent in
Speaker 16: our society.
Speaker 15: I don't see.
Speaker 16: It's certainly not going to slow down somewhere.
Speaker 13: I think that people are going to be upset about
Speaker 13: it for a while as they are, you know, and
Speaker 13: then it's kinna. You know, people will sort of get
Speaker 13: used to it and settle down, and maybe they'll be complacent, complacent,
Speaker 13: and then it'll and they'll you know, we'll lose ground
Speaker 13: and then it'll get better again.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 15: By the way, as it pertains to the music industry,
Speaker 15: there is an article I'll just refer to and maybe
Speaker 15: we'll look at it more closely in the future about
Speaker 15: Hollywood Reporter has something that just went up. Universal Music
Speaker 15: Group CEO on protecting artists from AI quote, we recognize
Speaker 15: potential threats. Early Lucy and Grange told investors the major
Speaker 15: music label was going to the courts to protect the
Speaker 15: rights of its artists and songwriters led by Taylor Swift,
Speaker 15: Drake and Lady Gaga, from massive copyright infringement. You know,
Speaker 15: it's interesting too, how history repeats itself. It seems like
Speaker 15: some of the conversation we're having now around AI that
Speaker 15: remind me a little bit of when, you know, back
Speaker 15: when Napster Remember Napster, Yeah, and that first became a
Speaker 15: thing and we had to have all the conversations and
Speaker 15: the music industry had to go through all this transformation
Speaker 15: regarding pirrating, pirating music sharing. You know, file sharing was
Speaker 15: a term we U see here all the time, and
Speaker 15: you know, now here we are again going through an
Speaker 15: you know, for a different reason, but we're going through
Speaker 15: another wave where this could really transform a lot of
Speaker 15: how the music industry operates dealing with AI and the
Speaker 15: various legal issues that it presents.
Speaker 16: This is harder, This is a lot harder. It's not
Speaker 16: simply like taking something and duplicating it, but this is where,
Speaker 16: you know, you're taking the brain child creations of multiple
Speaker 16: people and feeding it into a machine that has the
Speaker 16: ability to then translate that into something and call it new.
Speaker 16: And that wasn't Wasn't there something we talked about a
Speaker 16: while back involving Taylor Swift trying to fight to keep
Speaker 16: her music from being used to teach AI.
Speaker 15: Well, there was this story about I think it was
Speaker 15: I think it was Universal Music Group. I think it
Speaker 15: was UMG who was threatening AI companies with lawsuits if
Speaker 15: if they use UMG artists to train their large learning models.
Speaker 15: I don't think it was Taylor Swift specifically, although she
Speaker 15: might be on UMG. I'm not sure but you know,
Speaker 15: and then, of course, playing devil's advocate, my counter argument was, well,
Speaker 15: how is and again this is just me playing Devil's advocate,
Speaker 15: because I'll always advocate for artists. But I did raise
Speaker 15: the question, how is that different from a human? You know,
Speaker 15: if I sit down and I write a song as
Speaker 15: a human, it's it's but it's anything that I create,
Speaker 15: anything that I write, it has been directly influenced and
Speaker 15: informed in some way by all of the music that
Speaker 15: I've heard over the course of my life up to
Speaker 15: that point. So how is that any different?
Speaker 16: Because you're a human being who is taking the life
Speaker 16: of yourself. It's not just the music you've heard. It's
Speaker 16: your life experience. It's your favorite color, it's where your
Speaker 16: house is located, where you've gone, it's all of that
Speaker 16: that plays into your creations. And as a human being,
Speaker 16: your human creation is what we're all wanting, right, what
Speaker 16: we're all paying for. I mean, it might be more
Speaker 16: cost efficient to create music with AI, but that's not
Speaker 16: what I'm I personally like the creativity that comes out
Speaker 16: of a human mind. With AI, you're talking about something
Speaker 16: that has the ability to remember every little thing and
Speaker 16: just spit it back out. All it's taking all of
Speaker 16: those little bit of things and spitting it back out
Speaker 16: at you. Right, it's not creative in the same way
Speaker 16: that we use that terminology to me involving a human
Speaker 16: being who it's not just like I said, it's not
Speaker 16: just the music they've heard, because it's fair for you
Speaker 16: to say that, but it's everything else that goes along
Speaker 16: with it, right, Life experience changes everything.
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, well, we are out of time. Thank you, Jenny.
Speaker 15: Do you want to plug your website?
Speaker 16: Absolutely? You can follow my craziness at Jencoffee dot com
Speaker 16: j E N N C O F f U I
Speaker 16: dot com and you'll find links there to my new substack.
Speaker 15: Yes, yes, and uh, thank you again Miriam for coming
Speaker 15: in today. Thank you for having me absolutely.
Speaker 16: And we love you.
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Speaker 15: the ladies from the Grandite State Blues Society.
Speaker 16: Oh, and thank you Miriam for all you do to
Speaker 16: help our young folks grow up.
Speaker 11: Well.
Speaker 15: Yes, thank you Maria, thank you. Yes, all right, we
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