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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Marvel Alliance podcast, where we coover anything

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<v Speaker 1>and everything to do with the Marvel Universe from the comics,

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<v Speaker 1>TV movies will go from Earth six one six to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mochile versus TVA in order to bring the Marvel

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<v Speaker 1>Universe right to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm the nerd with the mouth David.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm the man who podcasts too much.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe Alliance A Symbol volume two hundred and ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>And as you guys can tell, Chris is not here.

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<v Speaker 1>He came down with a little bit of a sore

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<v Speaker 1>and missing voice, most likely allergies. But yes, so he

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<v Speaker 1>is not here tonight. But Joe, thank you for coming

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<v Speaker 1>and feeling in for us.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you're very welcome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>For anyone who does not know you kind of give

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<v Speaker 1>them a little bit of a backstro on yourself, of course.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. No, I'm my name is Joe. I am the

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<v Speaker 3>host of a walk through the Multiverse, which is part

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<v Speaker 3>of the Geek Ultimate Lince Network. On that show, I

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<v Speaker 3>talk about literally everything that's not DC, Marvel or Star Wars,

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<v Speaker 3>and if I like it and I can actually watch it,

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<v Speaker 3>but no, I do that. I obviously if you're watching

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<v Speaker 3>the show. You can see all my nerd stuff behind me.

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<v Speaker 3>I am a total geek. It just I like a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of different things. Actually, last time I was on

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<v Speaker 3>I was actually talking with Travis Hyes about this a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit ago. I think last time I was on

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<v Speaker 3>Marvel Alliance was with Brent when we covered the Venom

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<v Speaker 3>Let there Be Carnage episode. So that's how long was Yeah? Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 3>but I I mean, yeah, so, I podcast a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got that show I'm part of the DC Alliance

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<v Speaker 3>over on the other you know show over here. But

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<v Speaker 3>I also have another show which is not part of

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<v Speaker 3>this network, where I just podcast over there. It's called

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<v Speaker 3>a compok Rundown, and I've got a couple different shows

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<v Speaker 3>over there. So I do a lot. I don't sleep.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently sleep too much. I'm not that of sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, we definitely definitely appreciate you coming in and

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<v Speaker 1>uh filling in for Chris.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we have the Daredevil tream running. We didn't want

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<v Speaker 1>to stop.

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<v Speaker 2>We just need the listeners. So you know, he made

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<v Speaker 2>the call.

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<v Speaker 1>You stepped up for us, and we greatly appreciate it,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. All right, so before we get underway with

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so again, great stuff there. Let's see we have

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<v Speaker 2>Nico in the check Nico Bellick eighty five. Hey there,

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<v Speaker 1>here on the network. So let's go ahead and just

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<v Speaker 1>dive right into our main topic. That's Daredevil Born Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Season two, episode five, the Grand Design overall. What were

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<v Speaker 1>your just kind of overall thoughts on the show before

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so, before the first season even started, I had

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<v Speaker 3>to go back and rewatch all of the Defenders universe

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<v Speaker 3>because I didn't finish it beforehand, like I think i'd

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<v Speaker 3>gotten up to what was it? I think like season

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<v Speaker 3>two of Jessica Jones and I just stopped. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>remember why, just stopped. So I rewatched all of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and so rewatching all that was great. Season one loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>Season one was wonderful. This season so far has been awesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Really kind of sad that Punisher is not in it,

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<v Speaker 3>but obviously we're getting the Punisher show. It's gonna explain

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<v Speaker 3>that hopefully. But no, so far has been so heart wrenching.

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<v Speaker 3>Last week's episode was heart wrenching the way it ended,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, I was feeling bad for Fisk. I

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<v Speaker 3>really was. I shouldn't be. The man is a complete

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<v Speaker 3>a hole, but like I was feeling bad for him.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode did not help that whatsoever. But yeah, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>This episode was really good. I'm not gonna even hold

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<v Speaker 3>back even trying to pretend this episode was really good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I agree, it had a lot of amazing spots.

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<v Speaker 1>I will go on one mini rant in a second,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the overall parts of the show, it was good.

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<v Speaker 1>It was slower it it does you know we've been

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<v Speaker 1>on this upswing of the action. This one pulls the

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<v Speaker 1>action back quite a bit. It's a much slower thing.

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<v Speaker 1>My only issue with this show, and if you've been

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<v Speaker 1>listening to our season review so far, you will know

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<v Speaker 1>that I am a fan of when Daredevil quote unquote

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<v Speaker 1>throws them hands. We did not get any hands getting

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<v Speaker 1>thrown in this episode, and that was the only thing

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<v Speaker 1>I was like. I like the story build, I like

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<v Speaker 1>the beats here, I see where you're going, but someone

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<v Speaker 1>needs to catch hands. And that is my only complaint

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<v Speaker 1>is I'm like, come on, man, it's Daredevil. Someone's got

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<v Speaker 1>to catch some hands at least one point.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, that's fair, that's completely fair, especially after last

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<v Speaker 3>week's episode, and he could have easily got bulls eye

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<v Speaker 3>Dex could have gotten maybe a punch or two after

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<v Speaker 3>the attitude he was giving them, but especially after the

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<v Speaker 3>name drop. But no, didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I was expecting to someone somewhere to get it beat

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<v Speaker 1>down or you know, fist going crazy and turning and

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<v Speaker 1>beating up one of his thlugs just to let us

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<v Speaker 1>some steam. No one really caught hands on this one.

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<v Speaker 1>But other than that, yeah, it was a slower episode,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was a good, as I will call it

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<v Speaker 1>a world and.

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<v Speaker 2>Seasoned building episode.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were really setting up for where we're

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<v Speaker 1>going in the future with that. Yeah, all right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>so down. Let's get into the episode proper. This episode

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<v Speaker 1>opens up with Vanessa being rushed into surgery after the

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<v Speaker 1>events at fogg Wall's gym. She still has that shart

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<v Speaker 1>of crystal glass stuck in the side of her head.

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<v Speaker 1>Fist remains at the hospital, visibly shaking, but is kept

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<v Speaker 1>at a distance by the doctors who are working to

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<v Speaker 1>stabilize her. And I felt bad for those poor little

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<v Speaker 1>doctors trying to hold back this big menacing nude.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah that I mean, don't get me wrong, Like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>a big guy, and people can some people can try

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<v Speaker 3>to hold me back. But Fisk is a little bit bigger,

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<v Speaker 3>and that nurse was doing the best she can. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>you got a question, if he had not whipped the

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<v Speaker 3>belt around and broken the crystal, do you think.

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<v Speaker 2>It would have hit her?

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<v Speaker 1>I personally do not think it would have hit her.

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<v Speaker 1>And again, this goes well into Chris's factor fiction that

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<v Speaker 1>something that King Ben Wilson Fist did directly led to

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<v Speaker 1>what happens to Vanessa, and yet had he not intervened. Now, granted,

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<v Speaker 1>had she listened to him and not shown up, this

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<v Speaker 1>would have happened. But he has also the aim of that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, he's a guy. I think he could have

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<v Speaker 1>taken that hit and just been fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But was he I thought he was aiming for Vanessa, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa either way. I don't think that, you know, even

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<v Speaker 3>we think we know where they're at. Weka covered. Like

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<v Speaker 3>so spoiler alert for a ten year old book and

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<v Speaker 3>five year old movie. Ye, but yeah, like the like

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<v Speaker 3>palace is, like you said, he's scrambling, You're seeing your

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<v Speaker 3>You're gonna say whatever you need to say to save

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this is not the moment to look weak and ineffectual.

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<v Speaker 1>One of this very very angry man. As the surgery continues.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you say, hey, there's like a five percent chance

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<v Speaker 3>If you're you're talking to the mayor of the of

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<v Speaker 3>your wife. Are you sure about that? Are you sure

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<v Speaker 1>The mayor that need we remember got off his other

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<v Speaker 2>Pissing off right now?

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<v Speaker 3>Nope.

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<v Speaker 1>So, after escaping Fogwells Bullseyes gravely injured, he attempts to

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<v Speaker 1>hide in an industrial area. Daredevil finds him and catches

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<v Speaker 1>Despite their troubled past, Matt refuses to abandon him, He

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<v Speaker 1>the underground tunnels in search of safety. And this this

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I wasn't surprised because I do know Daredevil from

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<v Speaker 3>the show, from the comics. He he's a hero. He

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<v Speaker 3>will save people. So in my head, he's making sure Daredevil,

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<v Speaker 3>or making sure Bullseye will get the justice that he deserves,

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<v Speaker 3>which seems like what he's doing. At the same time, though,

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<v Speaker 3>he also knows that if he leaves Bullseye to Powell

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<v Speaker 3>to the Anti vigil Anti Task Force, Fisk is gonna

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he knows the like, there's no clear way out

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<v Speaker 2>Be served by getting caught.

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<v Speaker 1>So during the escape, Bullseye questions whether everything they do

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<v Speaker 1>truly matters, and friends Fitnessa's condition and Foggy's death as

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<v Speaker 1>a bad action Foggy's murder with Vanessa's possible death. When

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<v Speaker 1>he mentions Foggy directly, Matt reacts immediately physically restraining him,

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<v Speaker 1>throwing him against the wall and warning him, do not

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<v Speaker 1>say that name.

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<v Speaker 3>Why did you say that name? Yeah, you said the

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<v Speaker 3>name of his best friend that you killed. Bad idea, dude, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it was so funny because just I did get

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<v Speaker 1>What I'm like, Oh, no, we're not going down this road,

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<v Speaker 3>Well they got close.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So even so, Matt continues to help him, making it

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<v Speaker 1>clear that saving him is tied to his own past actions,

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<v Speaker 3>Which makes sense, like he's trying to get retribution for

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<v Speaker 3>what he did. Yeah, and that actually falls in line

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<v Speaker 3>with what Matt believes, whereas Bullseye, he's thinking, oh, well

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<v Speaker 3>I did a bad thing, so I'm trying to fix

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<v Speaker 3>that by doing a bad thing. No, Matt did a

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<v Speaker 3>bad thing. He's trying to reconcile that by doing a

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<v Speaker 3>good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that that good old Catholic guilty is like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to k before. Can't let you die now?

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<v Speaker 1>Like I have to absolve myself from my attempted murder.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus I can't let.

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<v Speaker 2>You be on the line for anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>So intercut with the present day storylines or flashbacks to

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<v Speaker 1>an earlier case handled by Matt and Foggy involving an

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<v Speaker 1>inmate named Ray McCoy, the brother of an old childhood

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<v Speaker 2>The two discovered that a.

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<v Speaker 1>Key search weren't containing an incorrect address that could invalidate

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<v Speaker 1>the entire case. This creates a moral conflict to a

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<v Speaker 2>And ensure that he is punished.

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<v Speaker 1>And this really showed that like back in the day,

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<v Speaker 1>Foggy was more.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the quote unquote soul of the team. He was

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<v Speaker 2>the moral compass.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was actually and I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 3>guys have talked about it in his episodes. I'm backlog

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<v Speaker 3>on episodes, but I was kind of surprised to see

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<v Speaker 3>that Foggy returned. I was really kind of happy too.

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<v Speaker 3>That was really really awesome. But you know, you're right,

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<v Speaker 3>like Foggy is the heart and soul Matt, maybe you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the blind lawyer and the gimmick. For the most part,

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<v Speaker 3>Foggy is what kept them together. Foggy. Foggy was the

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<v Speaker 3>one that he he was the lawyer, he knew what

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<v Speaker 3>he was doing. And going back and watching the old

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<v Speaker 3>episodes of Daredevil, watching even well, I was gonna say

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<v Speaker 3>in the first episode of the Born Again, but he

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<v Speaker 3>actually gets killed in the first season, so never mind. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>so watching the old old show, that is Foggy. He

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<v Speaker 3>he does the right thing. It's what he always did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So in this moment, Foggy ultimately chooses to act on principle,

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<v Speaker 1>believing in second chances. He ends up giving Race of

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<v Speaker 1>their own law firm. So he takes this money, puts

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<v Speaker 1>these moments directly influence what's going on with Matt in

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<v Speaker 3>Doesn't surprise me one bit. I felt like they showed

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<v Speaker 3>the money, and I'm like, okay, that's fine, makes sense

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<v Speaker 3>because they're you know that in the future they're going

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<v Speaker 3>to start their own business. Yeah, the case comes up

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<v Speaker 3>and everything all that, and like why did they show

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<v Speaker 3>that money? Okay, Okay, I see what you're doing their show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when Ray said that, you know, if he goes

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<v Speaker 1>into prison he will be killed, Like all of this

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<v Speaker 1>knew at that point, I'm like, all right, Fogg, He's

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<v Speaker 1>going to try and help him out some way.

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<v Speaker 3>Again, that's how fog he is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The flashbacks also revealed early moments in Fisk Rise, including

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<v Speaker 1>conversations about expanding operations adapting to the new financial system.

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<v Speaker 1>We even get a shout out to, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>Right. Also West comes back again, another guy from old

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<v Speaker 3>darl That was awesome to see it as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely giving those who have washed along the way

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of moments to tie back to, which is awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>These scenes connect to his first meeting with Vanessa at

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<v Speaker 1>Nart Gallery, showing how they met and how the connection

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<v Speaker 1>between them was always deeply personal. Now, I will say

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<v Speaker 1>one thing about this and all of his flashbacks of Vanessa.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, right too, So.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, this was kind of his even though this

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So, while Daredevil transports Bullseye, he takes him to

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<v Speaker 1>a church he used to attend, hoping to find temporary safely.

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<v Speaker 1>The young seminarian at the church agrees to help. This

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<v Speaker 2>So he agrees to.

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<v Speaker 1>Help, but the situation quickly becomes complicated when the anti

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<v Speaker 1>Vigilante task Force arrives and begins to search the building,

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<v Speaker 1>and they just straight up say like, yeah, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>care if this is holy ground. We got more mind

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<v Speaker 1>than you, and they bust through those doors.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, I've talked about this covering the Boys. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>parallels of the show and what is going on around

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<v Speaker 3>the world is very interesting, just saying let's go yeah

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<v Speaker 3>with that.

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<v Speaker 1>No no sanctuary cities here, and I'm sorry, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Right now is what this episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Was weird though that doesn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's funny how shows written and directed a

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<v Speaker 2>Just these these things are there.

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<v Speaker 3>Weird, interesting, It's like they don't see it happening, can't

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<v Speaker 1>So Face with the rest of being caught, Met briefly

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<v Speaker 1>considers abandoning Bullseye. However, remembering Foggy's past actions, he changes

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<v Speaker 1>his mind. Instead, Matt returns, picks Bullseye up, and flees

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<v Speaker 1>with him before the task Force finds him, choosing mercy

427
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<v Speaker 1>over convenience. Now, yes, they did flee, but they also

428
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<v Speaker 1>left a huge blood stain in the middle of the church.

429
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<v Speaker 3>I was also very shocked that Matt actually left, like

430
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<v Speaker 3>he actually made that decision of like I can't, I

431
00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:06.920
<v Speaker 3>can't save you, I have to go. Like I was

432
00:24:07.359 --> 00:24:09.720
<v Speaker 3>very shocked at that. But he did come back, and

433
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.720
<v Speaker 3>I as soon as he had the memory of finding

434
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<v Speaker 3>Foggy in the building in the hallway after giving the

435
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 3>money to Ray, It's like, all right, he he knows

436
00:24:22.519 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 3>what his moral compass is telling him, he's gonna go back,

437
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:27.880
<v Speaker 3>and he does. He goes back and he gets Bullseye,

438
00:24:28.160 --> 00:24:30.759
<v Speaker 3>he gets out of there, and you're right when the

439
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<v Speaker 3>task force comes into the back room finds all that blood.

440
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<v Speaker 3>I definitely feel bad for that, uh, for that pastor, Yeah,

441
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<v Speaker 3>in trouble.

442
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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I thought too when I looked down

443
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<v Speaker 1>and I saw that blood in the scenary and is

444
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<v Speaker 1>standing behind the anti vigil anti task force, and I'm

445
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<v Speaker 1>thinking to myself, I go, oh man, this this is

446
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<v Speaker 1>not going to be pretty for this guy.

447
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah at all.

448
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:04.720
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, no, I felt super super bad for him.

449
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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Before we get into the christiando of the episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Go Ahead, taking at our probably only ad breakdown.

452
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<v Speaker 2>So listeners, we don't control the ads.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes they can be at high volume, so we just

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<v Speaker 1>here's first said three two one, and we are back.

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<v Speaker 1>So coming out of them escaping uh the church, Like

457
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<v Speaker 1>you said, Uh, Daredevil had fully left the building. He

458
00:25:34.759 --> 00:25:38.000
<v Speaker 1>left Bullseye lying there in a pull of his own

459
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:41.440
<v Speaker 1>blood bleeding out. He got out the building almost down

460
00:25:41.480 --> 00:25:43.519
<v Speaker 1>the street when he was like, ah, you know what,

461
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<v Speaker 1>I gotta go back. That they're going to hurt him.

462
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<v Speaker 1>So that that was again going back to foggy. Everything

463
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<v Speaker 1>that he had stood for, all the positivity, you know,

464
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<v Speaker 1>all the things that they talked about when they were

465
00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:04.160
<v Speaker 1>coming up as young lawyers is all bleeding back into

466
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Matt and creating this moment where he's like, look, even

467
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<v Speaker 1>though this person did wrong, we still have to do

468
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<v Speaker 1>right by them.

469
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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

470
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<v Speaker 1>So at this point, Matt brings Bullseye to Karen, who

471
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<v Speaker 1>is at their hideout, and she is visibly shocked. And

472
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<v Speaker 1>when I say visibly shocked, she side eyes that man

473
00:26:25.519 --> 00:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>like that.

474
00:26:26.440 --> 00:26:29.400
<v Speaker 3>Hell you doing? Oh yeah, that was terrible.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Matt asked her for help, but again she's

476
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<v Speaker 1>just she's just in this shocked face that you brought

477
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 1>this man to our hideout, our home the hell.

478
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<v Speaker 3>The funny thing is he probably already knew where it was.

479
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:47.680
<v Speaker 3>It's Bullseye. He's been He's probably been following them everywhere

480
00:26:47.680 --> 00:26:51.480
<v Speaker 3>they went regardless. But oh yeah, you know, he just

481
00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:54.119
<v Speaker 3>he doesn't care. You know, if he wanted to, he

482
00:26:54.160 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 3>could have killed them at any point in time.

483
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, if if he was, if he was outside of

484
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:02.559
<v Speaker 1>Cherry's apartment just in order to save Matt there, and

485
00:27:02.599 --> 00:27:04.960
<v Speaker 1>he knows all the other things, then he had to

486
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.960
<v Speaker 1>have known where their hideout is. Right, This wasn't some

487
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>unknown information. He could have broken through the window. He

488
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.000
<v Speaker 1>could have taken them out at any point. He chose

489
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<v Speaker 1>not to because he's on his quote unquote redemption arc.

490
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So also while this episode is going on, i'd be

492
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.359
<v Speaker 2>messed up. I talked about it. We are also.

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<v Speaker 1>Intertwining with our b story of Daniel Blake and Buck

494
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Cashman going on a little bit of a road trip

495
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:40.079
<v Speaker 1>as Daniel's kind of feeling a little bit guilty because

496
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:43.960
<v Speaker 1>he thinks, Okay, the information that I'm saying is.

497
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:45.599
<v Speaker 2>Leaking out, and now.

498
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, we're taking this road trip to Albany and

499
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 1>Buck is super quiet and he's telling his story about

500
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 1>his time in the British Secret Service and in the

501
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:58.400
<v Speaker 1>Army and how he killed people before and all this

502
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 1>other stuff. And you can just see Daniel's you know,

503
00:28:01.960 --> 00:28:04.680
<v Speaker 1>is having this moment for the son of the guy

504
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:09.160
<v Speaker 1>who played Tony Soprano. He's thinking back to some Soprano episodes.

505
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:12.759
<v Speaker 1>Uh oh man, I'm giving driven upstate into the woods

506
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:13.640
<v Speaker 1>to be taken out.

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00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 3>What's really awesome is that Buck also his backstory also

508
00:28:17.200 --> 00:28:23.119
<v Speaker 3>kind of intertwines with Foggies because he was tasked to

509
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:29.799
<v Speaker 3>go take out Ray, but he didn't. Yeah, I think, yeah,

510
00:28:29.839 --> 00:28:33.160
<v Speaker 3>he didn't at that time. So when what happens here

511
00:28:33.480 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 3>is he's taking him upstate to go maybe kill uh yeah, Danny,

512
00:28:43.839 --> 00:28:44.640
<v Speaker 3>what's his name? Check?

513
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:49.200
<v Speaker 1>Daniel thinks he's about he's about to get killed. Kiss

514
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<v Speaker 1>They stuck because originally Buck says, hey, we're going for

515
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:55.359
<v Speaker 1>hot dogs, and then Daniel starts to realize we're not

516
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>getting hot dogs. We're not driving to Albany for hot dogs,

517
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<v Speaker 1>and then they stop off. Buck goes in, gets a

518
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 1>shovel and an electrical saw, which is hilarious, and again

519
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:15.839
<v Speaker 1>he is just sitting there like, oh god, I'm this

520
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 1>this is it for me, Like he's gonna kill me?

521
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.720
<v Speaker 3>So I was, so I was gonna ask, because obviously

522
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:26.440
<v Speaker 3>at the end of it he doesn't. He finds out

523
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:29.759
<v Speaker 3>that there's somebody in the trunk. Is that Ray in

524
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 3>the trunk?

525
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.759
<v Speaker 1>I know that was Christophee, the first mate from the

526
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.960
<v Speaker 1>Northern Star, so that they they have him in there,

527
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and then that's when Buck says, this is your time

528
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.480
<v Speaker 1>to pick your fate. And again you still think Daniel's

529
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:48.000
<v Speaker 1>about to get it, and he goes a saw or

530
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>shovel and opens the trunk and you see Christophee wrapped

531
00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.240
<v Speaker 1>in plastics. So it's one of these. All right, this

532
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:57.720
<v Speaker 1>is your moment to step up and prove your loyalty

533
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>to mayor Fists in this way. When the whole time

534
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.200
<v Speaker 1>again Daniel's thinking like, ah, I am a dead man now.

535
00:30:04.240 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 3>The fact that he is, he has to know that

536
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:12.240
<v Speaker 3>that BB is leaking all this stuff, especially after this episode,

537
00:30:12.440 --> 00:30:17.599
<v Speaker 3>because he told her that Vanessa is in critical condition,

538
00:30:18.119 --> 00:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>and then within like an hour, the news reports is

539
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.000
<v Speaker 3>saying that she that she's in critical condition, and he's

540
00:30:24.039 --> 00:30:27.400
<v Speaker 3>just like, babie, you totally screwed me. What are you doing.

541
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:35.839
<v Speaker 3>It's like he knew before he had suspicions before. You're all,

542
00:30:36.079 --> 00:30:37.039
<v Speaker 3>what are you doing? Dude?

543
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>Like come on, yeah, you know, had it been me,

544
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.440
<v Speaker 1>I probably would have fed her some false information because

545
00:30:45.440 --> 00:30:48.359
<v Speaker 1>you already suspect her. You suspected her after the apartment thing.

546
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<v Speaker 1>You suspect her when you two went out to when

547
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:53.640
<v Speaker 1>you had dinner at your apartment after that, like you

548
00:30:53.680 --> 00:30:56.559
<v Speaker 1>already suspect her. So I may have saying like, oh,

549
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.079
<v Speaker 1>she's incredible condition, it's touching. Go and then you you

550
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>can always come back and clean that up later like, oh,

551
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:04.400
<v Speaker 1>she starts to get better, so now she's stable. But

552
00:31:05.240 --> 00:31:07.559
<v Speaker 1>you know he told her that. In eight hour later,

553
00:31:07.599 --> 00:31:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it's on the news and he's like, oh damn it, Bbe,

554
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:11.519
<v Speaker 1>what did you do? And then the next thing, you know,

555
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.559
<v Speaker 1>Buck is saying, let's go get hot dogs at Albany.

556
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:16.240
<v Speaker 2>And You're like, I am, I'm screwed.

557
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny, it's great. Yeah.

558
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.680
<v Speaker 1>So we cut back to Mayor Fisk and Vanessa and

559
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:28.599
<v Speaker 1>after the surgery, the doctors informed Fists that the procedure

560
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:31.319
<v Speaker 1>was successful, give and hope that Vanessa will recover. She

561
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:34.680
<v Speaker 1>finally regains consciousness and the two share a quiet moment.

562
00:31:35.039 --> 00:31:40.240
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa seems disoriented but calm, asking for pineapple juice. Before

563
00:31:40.640 --> 00:31:44.160
<v Speaker 1>requesting that, Fist tells her the story of how they met,

564
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:48.359
<v Speaker 1>even though she remembers. And it's funny because he's like,

565
00:31:48.480 --> 00:31:51.599
<v Speaker 1>why are you requesting pineapple? You don't like pineapple juice?

566
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:53.799
<v Speaker 1>You say it makes your lips tingle, and she's like, well,

567
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.640
<v Speaker 1>now I have a taste for it. Yeah, And you know,

568
00:31:56.720 --> 00:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>he asked her multiple times to tell her a story,

569
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:03.480
<v Speaker 1>and you could tell something's a little bit off with

570
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:04.400
<v Speaker 1>her at this point.

571
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.359
<v Speaker 3>The yeah, yes, I mean, you'll talk about here in

572
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 3>a second. But the second time she asked, I'm like,

573
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:15.480
<v Speaker 3>oh no, I knew immediately what was gonna happen.

574
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Yep, So he tells the story again. We get some

575
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:23.240
<v Speaker 1>more flashbacks the painting, the art gallery of everything else,

576
00:32:23.599 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 1>and then the moment is short lived because after a

577
00:32:27.039 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 1>brief moment of silence, Vanessa again asks Fists to tell

578
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:33.680
<v Speaker 1>her story, and the mayor finds it strange. He tries

579
00:32:33.799 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 1>to speak more, and her condition starts to worsen.

580
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>You could tell her speech is slurr and her eyes

581
00:32:39.960 --> 00:32:40.400
<v Speaker 2>are rolling.

582
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 1>The monitors beginning to malfunction, and Fist immediately screams for

583
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 1>the medical team.

584
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:46.839
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

585
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, at this point we know up something about

586
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.839
<v Speaker 1>this did not go well.

587
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:55.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

588
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:58.759
<v Speaker 1>In the final moments, doctors attempt to resuscitate and stabilize

589
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.799
<v Speaker 1>her while Fist watches from the side, visibly shaking. The

590
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.720
<v Speaker 1>episode cuts out amid the chaos, leaving her fate that

591
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.480
<v Speaker 1>Vanessa may not survive this time.

592
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, probably not, if I'm being honest.

593
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So that that's how we conclude the episode, and

594
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 1>it's giving me a lot of vibes that you know what,

595
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:23.119
<v Speaker 1>this is gonna be the jumping off point that mayor

596
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Fist is gonna go absolutely crazy.

597
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:31.079
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, if with her dying, it's gonna be a

598
00:33:31.279 --> 00:33:36.480
<v Speaker 3>NonStop vigilante takedown for him. Like he's gonna like tear

599
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 3>down the city looking for bull Eye, looking for Daredevil,

600
00:33:41.319 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 3>anybody in the mask, and that's gonna be it for him. Yeah,

601
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:47.920
<v Speaker 3>that's all he's gonna do.

602
00:33:49.079 --> 00:33:50.319
<v Speaker 2>The war is gonna be on.

603
00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:53.279
<v Speaker 1>So, like we said earlier, this was a slower episode,

604
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of exposition, a lot of building the world

605
00:33:56.519 --> 00:34:00.559
<v Speaker 1>and building not only where people came from, also giving

606
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 1>you a look if you had not seen the Netflix era,

607
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>you kind of get more of a look into Foggy

608
00:34:06.160 --> 00:34:08.679
<v Speaker 1>and Matt, you know, on their coming up as lawyers.

609
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 1>You see just you get a retelling of how Wilson

610
00:34:14.280 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 1>and Vanessa met. So you get all these pieces into

611
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:19.719
<v Speaker 1>play to show how much he really cares about her.

612
00:34:19.840 --> 00:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>So when he goes absolutely crazy on the town and

613
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 1>starts going full on martial law, we understand why. Yep, yeah,

614
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:33.400
<v Speaker 1>I think that. You know, we know that Jessica Jones

615
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 1>is returning this season. We saw from the trailers that

616
00:34:36.760 --> 00:34:39.119
<v Speaker 1>she is going to have some interactions with the anti

617
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:45.079
<v Speaker 1>Vigilanti task Force. So I'm thinking that after this maryor

618
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:48.599
<v Speaker 1>Fish just declares a war state on the city and

619
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:51.760
<v Speaker 1>this is when he has Daredevil has to bring in

620
00:34:51.800 --> 00:34:54.800
<v Speaker 1>some help because things are just getting too crazy and

621
00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:55.519
<v Speaker 1>out of control.

622
00:34:55.679 --> 00:34:56.719
<v Speaker 3>Yep, I can see that.

623
00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 2>So all right.

624
00:34:59.559 --> 00:35:04.000
<v Speaker 1>So that was episode five, the Grand Design, and know

625
00:35:04.039 --> 00:35:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking forward to episode six and.

626
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:08.920
<v Speaker 2>The fallout of this.

627
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.400
<v Speaker 1>And where we go and to know definitively for sure

628
00:35:13.320 --> 00:35:16.159
<v Speaker 1>the fate of Vanessa. I don't think she survived, but

629
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:19.119
<v Speaker 1>again we we don't know until we see her six

630
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:19.960
<v Speaker 1>feet under.

631
00:35:20.039 --> 00:35:23.400
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, and until we see the body, especially in

632
00:35:23.480 --> 00:35:26.840
<v Speaker 3>comic books, well even then, when you see a body,

633
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:27.800
<v Speaker 3>it's not always gone.

634
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so you know that there used to be

635
00:35:31.760 --> 00:35:34.559
<v Speaker 1>the joke that no one stays dead other than Bucky

636
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.159
<v Speaker 1>and Uncle Ben, and both of which came back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yep, so so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, you never know.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a factor of fiction about her coming back,

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<v Speaker 1>so again, you never know with these people.

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<v Speaker 2>All right. So that wraps up our recap of episode five.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I said, we are going to skip feedback and

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<v Speaker 1>listener questions for this week. They will be paused until

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<v Speaker 1>Chris returns next week. We do have a good question

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<v Speaker 1>that we're just gonna hold on to from our friend

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Dorsey, So don't think we forgot about it. We're

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<v Speaker 1>just gonna hold on to it next week. Same thing

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<v Speaker 1>with Factor fiction again. Since this was such a last

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<v Speaker 1>minute pinch hit step in not going to force our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Joda to come up with three factor fictions, I

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<v Speaker 1>would have.

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<v Speaker 3>Had to come up with something in an hour. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what I what if this happens? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So we'll hold off on the Factor fiction. We

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<v Speaker 1>will go over the results and everything next week. Same

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<v Speaker 1>thing with Comic Book Club. We will continue our read

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<v Speaker 1>through of Age of Ultron. So but other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>that is your episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to shout out our sponsor, Pentabon Comics again.

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<v Speaker 1>If you go to our website, use our code Marvel Gua,

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<v Speaker 1>follow the podcast on X at marvel A Podcasts. You

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<v Speaker 1>can find me on Twitter at the Phantom and Chris

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<v Speaker 1>as Chris Balga Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell the people where to find you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm on social media Twitter, I'm on the Score,

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<v Speaker 3>actually on the Score. Do you also find my show

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<v Speaker 3>I'll walk through the multiverse at walk the Verse on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 3>Also I'm on Instagram and all the other socials at

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<v Speaker 3>Comic book Rundown or Comic Rundown on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>Awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So, and you guys can also catch me here on

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<v Speaker 1>the geek First Network as part of our wrestling show

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<v Speaker 1>The Gimmick. This is rustle Mania weekend. So I've already

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<v Speaker 1>told everyone in my life that starting tomorrow at seven

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<v Speaker 1>pm Central Standard Time until Sunday night at about eleven

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<v Speaker 1>thirty pm Central Standard time.

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<v Speaker 2>You do not know me.

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<v Speaker 1>If it ain't about wrestling, I will be slow on

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<v Speaker 1>the responses. I will be that this is going to

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<v Speaker 1>consume my whole life. But we are going to have

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<v Speaker 1>two shows. We are going to talk about the fallout

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<v Speaker 1>of aw Dynasty and this past weekend's big happening on

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<v Speaker 1>aw Dynamite. But then we are going to review Night

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<v Speaker 1>one of WrestleMania and then come back the next night

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<v Speaker 1>immediately following the show for a review of Night two

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<v Speaker 1>and a rundown of WrestleMania. So we've got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of things cooking when it comes to that. Again, this

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<v Speaker 1>is our wrestling super Bowl. So I am so excited

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<v Speaker 1>about that awesome. Yeah, So if you have any questions

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<v Speaker 1>or anything, you can email the show at Marvel Alliance

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<v Speaker 1>podcast at gmail dot com. Follow the geek Ultimate Alliance

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<v Speaker 1>Network on Twitter at guaputt network. Feel free to tweeter

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<v Speaker 1>or email if you want to provide feedback, ask questions

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<v Speaker 1>that will answer on the show again, Rate and review

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast on Apple Podcasts or whichever platform that you're

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<v Speaker 1>listening to. Thank you all for listening, and as stand

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<v Speaker 1>the man.

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<v Speaker 2>Would say, excelsor true believers.

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<v Speaker 3>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>Post credits discussion, there was there has been some news

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of CinemaCon. I'm not going to touch on

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<v Speaker 1>all the news, some of which some of which just

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<v Speaker 1>happened in our Basically these literally this news came out.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris and I text about whether we would talk about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then two minutes later he called me to say

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<v Speaker 1>I can't talk.

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<v Speaker 3>So yeah, that literally happened within It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that there is some leaked trailer information things like that,

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<v Speaker 1>we're not going to talk about that because it's a leak.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't even seen it, so we're gonna be just

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<v Speaker 1>talking about someone else talking about something that they've seen

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<v Speaker 1>that's only.

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<v Speaker 3>By next week you guys will have something more substantial,

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<v Speaker 3>so yes.

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<v Speaker 1>But something that did come out of CinemaCon is we

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<v Speaker 1>got a look at some new shots from Beyond the

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Verse. Yeah, and man, oh man, if these shots

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<v Speaker 1>don't look pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I've loved these movies ever since they came out.

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<v Speaker 3>And I am seeing Miles and his dad there, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just gonna make me sad. Yeah. This, Yeah, this show

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<v Speaker 3>and this movie looks so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and we see three or four different art styles here.

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<v Speaker 1>Michigan has me excited. We had that with across the

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Verse, with some changing with the art styles. This

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<v Speaker 1>cool rayon on the Prowler, you get back to the

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<v Speaker 1>more traditional art style with this moment with Miles and

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<v Speaker 1>his dad. You get the more you know Matt it

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<v Speaker 1>look in this moment with him and Gwyn. I love

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<v Speaker 1>this moment with Spider Punk uh saying you know you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna save your dad. And then we get a different

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<v Speaker 1>look of you know, Miles's dad and his uncle as

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<v Speaker 1>they are looking like they are in a younger time.

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<v Speaker 1>Just yeah, these are some awesome looks. We get miguel

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<v Speaker 1>O hair here going after Spider Man. I'm just I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so excited about these steals and just getting to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, we're getting closer and closer to this coming.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I am excited next year seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yep, as long as it stays on track, will

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<v Speaker 1>be next year between twenty seven. Now, again, with the

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<v Speaker 1>Spider Verse movies, there is always a chance that it

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<v Speaker 1>could get delayed. My thoughts of using opinion on that is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you are delaying it in order to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm okay with that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'd rather agree.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, if you're gonna ask me to pick a

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<v Speaker 1>date and I say the date to quote Hitchhiker's Guys

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<v Speaker 1>to the Galaxy, I rather be.

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<v Speaker 2>Happy than rite.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you if you got to delay this a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit past when I want just in order to

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<v Speaker 1>make it perfect, then you know it go ahead, because

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather sit in that movie theater be absolutely happy

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<v Speaker 1>with this. And yeah, that that is I'm super super

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<v Speaker 1>excited for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I can't wait for it. It's it's The

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<v Speaker 3>first two were amazing. The first one was like, came

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<v Speaker 3>out of nowhere blue expectations, everybody's expectations. Second one was

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<v Speaker 3>just as good. This one looks amazing. I can't I

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<v Speaker 3>can't wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, my I will say that.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I fell in love with Molesey care character

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<v Speaker 1>reading again the ultimate line of comics when he was

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<v Speaker 1>first introduced. But my kids, who are fairly young, one

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<v Speaker 1>is nine and the other one turns twelve tomorrow, they

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<v Speaker 1>grew up on the Spider Verse movies and it made

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<v Speaker 1>them fall in love with Miles the character. But it

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<v Speaker 1>also this was pre Black Panther and other things. This

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<v Speaker 1>was the first time they saw themselves represented, oh nice,

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<v Speaker 1>as a character.

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<v Speaker 2>So that has.

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<v Speaker 1>Always been a sticking point with me. Like my kid

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00:43:33.280 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 1>saw Miles, he saw the hair that Miles has.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way my oldest kid's hair is like he's.

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<v Speaker 1>He's followed throughout and it's always been a this is

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<v Speaker 1>somebody that we can connect with. And so because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>watching them grow up with these I'm excited for the

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<v Speaker 1>next round of these movies.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what I love about comics. Man, you know, this

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<v Speaker 3>just is something for everybody.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, So that being said, that is our show against Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>I thank you so much for filling in.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, so it's kind of a quick show today

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<v Speaker 1>with us skipping a lot of things. But again, I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate you just taking the time, last minute call with

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<v Speaker 1>an hour to go saying hey, are you available, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's Chris appreciates it.

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<v Speaker 2>He hopes to be back next week.

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<v Speaker 3>Again.

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<v Speaker 1>He thinks it's just allergies just took out his voice

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<v Speaker 1>at the last minute, so he should be back to

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<v Speaker 1>full strength so that we can continue our run through

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<v Speaker 1>Daredevil line this season.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you, thank you for letting me come on,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for having me. Always a blast, so hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>come back on in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, absolutely so well and that again, we appreciate everyone

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<v Speaker 1>for listening and we will see you guys next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Bye y'all, Bye bye,