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Speaker 1: dive right into our main topic. That's Daredevil Born Again,
Speaker 1: Season two, episode five, the Grand Design overall. What were
Speaker 1: your just kind of overall thoughts on the show before
Speaker 1: we get down to the nitty gritty.
Speaker 3: Okay, so, before the first season even started, I had
Speaker 3: to go back and rewatch all of the Defenders universe
Speaker 3: because I didn't finish it beforehand, like I think i'd
Speaker 3: gotten up to what was it? I think like season
Speaker 3: two of Jessica Jones and I just stopped. I don't
Speaker 3: remember why, just stopped. So I rewatched all of it,
Speaker 3: and so rewatching all that was great. Season one loved it.
Speaker 3: Season one was wonderful. This season so far has been awesome.
Speaker 3: Really kind of sad that Punisher is not in it,
Speaker 3: but obviously we're getting the Punisher show. It's gonna explain
Speaker 3: that hopefully. But no, so far has been so heart wrenching.
Speaker 3: Last week's episode was heart wrenching the way it ended,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I was feeling bad for Fisk. I
Speaker 3: really was. I shouldn't be. The man is a complete
Speaker 3: a hole, but like I was feeling bad for him.
Speaker 3: This episode did not help that whatsoever. But yeah, it is.
Speaker 3: This episode was really good. I'm not gonna even hold
Speaker 3: back even trying to pretend this episode was really good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it had a lot of amazing spots.
Speaker 1: I will go on one mini rant in a second,
Speaker 1: but I will say.
Speaker 2: Like the overall parts of the show, it was good.
Speaker 1: It was slower it it does you know we've been
Speaker 1: on this upswing of the action. This one pulls the
Speaker 1: action back quite a bit. It's a much slower thing.
Speaker 1: My only issue with this show, and if you've been
Speaker 1: listening to our season review so far, you will know
Speaker 1: that I am a fan of when Daredevil quote unquote
Speaker 1: throws them hands. We did not get any hands getting
Speaker 1: thrown in this episode, and that was the only thing
Speaker 1: I was like. I like the story build, I like
Speaker 1: the beats here, I see where you're going, but someone
Speaker 1: needs to catch hands. And that is my only complaint
Speaker 1: is I'm like, come on, man, it's Daredevil. Someone's got
Speaker 1: to catch some hands at least one point.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's fair, that's completely fair, especially after last
Speaker 3: week's episode, and he could have easily got bulls eye
Speaker 3: Dex could have gotten maybe a punch or two after
Speaker 3: the attitude he was giving them, but especially after the
Speaker 3: name drop. But no, didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was expecting to someone somewhere to get it beat
Speaker 1: down or you know, fist going crazy and turning and
Speaker 1: beating up one of his thlugs just to let us
Speaker 1: some steam. No one really caught hands on this one.
Speaker 1: But other than that, yeah, it was a slower episode,
Speaker 1: but it was a good, as I will call it
Speaker 1: a world and.
Speaker 2: Seasoned building episode.
Speaker 1: I mean, we were really setting up for where we're
Speaker 1: going in the future with that. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: so down. Let's get into the episode proper. This episode
Speaker 1: opens up with Vanessa being rushed into surgery after the
Speaker 1: events at fogg Wall's gym. She still has that shart
Speaker 1: of crystal glass stuck in the side of her head.
Speaker 1: Fist remains at the hospital, visibly shaking, but is kept
Speaker 1: at a distance by the doctors who are working to
Speaker 1: stabilize her. And I felt bad for those poor little
Speaker 1: doctors trying to hold back this big menacing nude.
Speaker 3: Yeah that I mean, don't get me wrong, Like, I'm
Speaker 3: a big guy, and people can some people can try
Speaker 3: to hold me back. But Fisk is a little bit bigger,
Speaker 3: and that nurse was doing the best she can. Now,
Speaker 3: you got a question, if he had not whipped the
Speaker 3: belt around and broken the crystal, do you think.
Speaker 2: It would have hit her?
Speaker 1: I personally do not think it would have hit her.
Speaker 1: And again, this goes well into Chris's factor fiction that
Speaker 1: something that King Ben Wilson Fist did directly led to
Speaker 1: what happens to Vanessa, and yet had he not intervened. Now, granted,
Speaker 1: had she listened to him and not shown up, this
Speaker 1: would have happened. But he has also the aim of that.
Speaker 1: You know, he's a guy. I think he could have
Speaker 1: taken that hit and just been fine.
Speaker 3: But was he I thought he was aiming for Vanessa, Like,
Speaker 3: I don't know, I'd have to rewatch that part again, but.
Speaker 1: It looked to me as if if he was aiming
Speaker 1: for Fist. But yes, he could have been aiming for
Speaker 1: Vanessa either way. I don't think that, you know, even
Speaker 1: to hit with that, she gets a concussion or something else. Right,
Speaker 1: She's not walking away with a shard of this statue
Speaker 1: thicking her head.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, while waiting for updates, Fist quickly turns his
Speaker 1: attention to control and retaliation. When Pallaria, Fist makes it
Speaker 1: clear that Bullseye must be captured, but he insists that.
Speaker 2: He be brought in alive.
Speaker 1: And uh. The funny thing about this is as he's
Speaker 1: talking to Palell and Pale's like, oh, it's fine, We've
Speaker 1: got him surrounded and things like that, I'm like, you guys,
Speaker 1: know nowhere where these people are? You just you're scared
Speaker 1: right now and have no idea what to say tipis
Speaker 1: other than yeah, we got this covered.
Speaker 3: Yeah we we I think whether you say I think,
Speaker 3: we think we know where they're at. Weka covered. Like
Speaker 3: I just finished listening to mocking Jay today, Hunger Games,
Speaker 3: mocking Jay, and then that president snow thinks he's got
Speaker 3: u Catain's Everydeen corner than the building he did not
Speaker 3: so spoiler alert for a ten year old book and
Speaker 3: five year old movie. Ye, but yeah, like the like
Speaker 3: palace is, like you said, he's scrambling, You're seeing your
Speaker 3: boss at the on the bedside of his dying wife.
Speaker 3: You're gonna say whatever you need to say to save
Speaker 3: your own ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is not the moment to look weak and ineffectual.
Speaker 1: One of this very very angry man. As the surgery continues.
Speaker 1: Doctors later described Vanessa's condition as unstable but managed, offering
Speaker 1: conscious optimism. Fists stays by her side throughout, holding on
Speaker 1: to the expectations that she will recover. I think the
Speaker 1: search and even says, you know, he he doesn't know
Speaker 1: where the medical ends and the soul begins. Like he's
Speaker 1: he's trying to be very existential and reassuring, knowing again
Speaker 1: that this is gonna be touch and go.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but again, what do.
Speaker 2: You say to this angry man?
Speaker 1: Do you say, hey, there's like a five percent chance
Speaker 1: that she's going to be saved, because he's gonna look
Speaker 1: at you and say if you don't save her, that's
Speaker 1: your ass.
Speaker 3: If you're you're talking to the mayor of the of
Speaker 3: New York City and it's like, hey, we can't save
Speaker 3: your wife. Are you sure about that? Are you sure
Speaker 3: about that?
Speaker 1: The mayor that need we remember got off his other
Speaker 1: crimes due to a technicality with the BLIP and Agent
Speaker 1: Nadeem Like it's it stated, that's the only reason he
Speaker 1: got out is no, oh, agent Nadim, things that happened
Speaker 1: with the BLib and the FBI, Like he got off
Speaker 1: on a technicality, So this city knows he has a
Speaker 1: history of crime, Like not really the man you want
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Pissing off right now?
Speaker 3: Nope.
Speaker 1: So, after escaping Fogwells Bullseyes gravely injured, he attempts to
Speaker 1: hide in an industrial area. Daredevil finds him and catches
Speaker 1: up to him just as the Anti Vision Antitask force approaches.
Speaker 1: Despite their troubled past, Matt refuses to abandon him, He
Speaker 1: disarms Bullseye and forces him to move, guiding him through
Speaker 1: the underground tunnels in search of safety. And this this
Speaker 1: was quite a scene watching Daredevil like lift up and
Speaker 1: having to basically carry Bullseye throughout this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wasn't surprised because I do know Daredevil from
Speaker 3: the show, from the comics. He he's a hero. He
Speaker 3: will save people. So in my head, he's making sure Daredevil,
Speaker 3: or making sure Bullseye will get the justice that he deserves,
Speaker 3: which seems like what he's doing. At the same time, though,
Speaker 3: he also knows that if he leaves Bullseye to Powell
Speaker 3: to the Anti vigil Anti Task Force, Fisk is gonna
Speaker 3: kill him and he doesn't want that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he knows the like, there's no clear way out
Speaker 1: of there's no justice to.
Speaker 2: Be served by getting caught.
Speaker 1: So during the escape, Bullseye questions whether everything they do
Speaker 1: truly matters, and friends Fitnessa's condition and Foggy's death as
Speaker 1: part of the same balance as if he could reward
Speaker 1: a bad action Foggy's murder with Vanessa's possible death. When
Speaker 1: he mentions Foggy directly, Matt reacts immediately physically restraining him,
Speaker 1: throwing him against the wall and warning him, do not
Speaker 1: say that name.
Speaker 3: Why did you say that name? Yeah, you said the
Speaker 3: name of his best friend that you killed. Bad idea, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 3: bad idea.
Speaker 1: And it was so funny because just I did get
Speaker 1: some BVS moments from that, like.
Speaker 2: You don't get to say his name.
Speaker 1: What I'm like, Oh, no, we're not going down this road,
Speaker 1: are we.
Speaker 3: Well they got close.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So even so, Matt continues to help him, making it
Speaker 1: clear that saving him is tied to his own past actions,
Speaker 1: including the time he tried to kill Bullseye.
Speaker 3: Which makes sense, like he's trying to get retribution for
Speaker 3: what he did. Yeah, and that actually falls in line
Speaker 3: with what Matt believes, whereas Bullseye, he's thinking, oh, well
Speaker 3: I did a bad thing, so I'm trying to fix
Speaker 3: that by doing a bad thing. No, Matt did a
Speaker 3: bad thing. He's trying to reconcile that by doing a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that good old Catholic guilty is like, hey,
Speaker 1: I tried to k before. Can't let you die now?
Speaker 1: Like I have to absolve myself from my attempted murder.
Speaker 1: Plus I can't let.
Speaker 2: You be on the line for anything else.
Speaker 1: So intercut with the present day storylines or flashbacks to
Speaker 1: an earlier case handled by Matt and Foggy involving an
Speaker 1: inmate named Ray McCoy, the brother of an old childhood
Speaker 1: friend of Foggy's.
Speaker 2: The two discovered that a.
Speaker 1: Key search weren't containing an incorrect address that could invalidate
Speaker 1: the entire case. This creates a moral conflict to a
Speaker 1: allow a dangerous man who sells drugs and traffic arms
Speaker 1: to walk free or ignored.
Speaker 2: And ensure that he is punished.
Speaker 1: And this really showed that like back in the day,
Speaker 1: Foggy was more.
Speaker 2: Of the quote unquote soul of the team. He was
Speaker 2: the moral compass.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was actually and I don't know if you
Speaker 3: guys have talked about it in his episodes. I'm backlog
Speaker 3: on episodes, but I was kind of surprised to see
Speaker 3: that Foggy returned. I was really kind of happy too.
Speaker 3: That was really really awesome. But you know, you're right,
Speaker 3: like Foggy is the heart and soul Matt, maybe you know,
Speaker 3: the blind lawyer and the gimmick. For the most part,
Speaker 3: Foggy is what kept them together. Foggy. Foggy was the
Speaker 3: one that he he was the lawyer, he knew what
Speaker 3: he was doing. And going back and watching the old
Speaker 3: episodes of Daredevil, watching even well, I was gonna say
Speaker 3: in the first episode of the Born Again, but he
Speaker 3: actually gets killed in the first season, so never mind. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so watching the old old show, that is Foggy. He
Speaker 3: he does the right thing. It's what he always did.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So in this moment, Foggy ultimately chooses to act on principle,
Speaker 1: believing in second chances. He ends up giving Race of
Speaker 1: money that he and Matt had been collecting to start
Speaker 1: their own law firm. So he takes this money, puts
Speaker 1: in an envelope, gives it to Ray, and says, this
Speaker 1: is for you to disappear start over. Knowing the risk
Speaker 1: these moments directly influence what's going on with Matt in
Speaker 1: the present.
Speaker 3: Doesn't surprise me one bit. I felt like they showed
Speaker 3: the money, and I'm like, okay, that's fine, makes sense
Speaker 3: because they're you know that in the future they're going
Speaker 3: to start their own business. Yeah, the case comes up
Speaker 3: and everything all that, and like why did they show
Speaker 3: that money? Okay, Okay, I see what you're doing their show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when Ray said that, you know, if he goes
Speaker 1: into prison he will be killed, Like all of this
Speaker 1: is just to get him in there. And then I
Speaker 1: knew at that point, I'm like, all right, Fogg, He's
Speaker 1: going to try and help him out some way.
Speaker 3: Again, that's how fog he is.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The flashbacks also revealed early moments in Fisk Rise, including
Speaker 1: conversations about expanding operations adapting to the new financial system.
Speaker 1: We even get a shout out to, you know, the
Speaker 1: early startup a bitcoin at this point.
Speaker 3: Right. Also West comes back again, another guy from old
Speaker 3: darl That was awesome to see it as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely giving those who have washed along the way
Speaker 1: a lot of moments to tie back to, which is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: These scenes connect to his first meeting with Vanessa at
Speaker 1: Nart Gallery, showing how they met and how the connection
Speaker 1: between them was always deeply personal. Now, I will say
Speaker 1: one thing about this and all of his flashbacks of Vanessa.
Speaker 1: She is wearing white when traditionally she did not wear
Speaker 1: white up until the time when she caught the straight
Speaker 1: to the head. Other than that, she was normally in
Speaker 1: red or something.
Speaker 3: Like that, right too, So.
Speaker 1: To me, this was kind of his even though this
Speaker 1: is Wilson's flashbacks, this is kind of him envisioning her
Speaker 1: as the angel that he views her as, or this
Speaker 1: bright and shining part of him that he views her as,
Speaker 1: that she is.
Speaker 2: Always in white.
Speaker 1: Okay, So, while Daredevil transports Bullseye, he takes him to
Speaker 1: a church he used to attend, hoping to find temporary safely.
Speaker 1: The young seminarian at the church agrees to help. This
Speaker 1: is the same seminarian that we saw in the first
Speaker 1: episode who talked to Bullseye when he was asking where
Speaker 1: Sister Maggie is.
Speaker 2: So he agrees to.
Speaker 1: Help, but the situation quickly becomes complicated when the anti
Speaker 1: Vigilante task Force arrives and begins to search the building,
Speaker 1: and they just straight up say like, yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: care if this is holy ground. We got more mind
Speaker 1: than you, and they bust through those doors.
Speaker 3: Look, I've talked about this covering the Boys. It's the
Speaker 3: parallels of the show and what is going on around
Speaker 3: the world is very interesting, just saying let's go yeah
Speaker 3: with that.
Speaker 1: No no sanctuary cities here, and I'm sorry, but the
Speaker 1: Catholic Church has no power against the government.
Speaker 2: Right now is what this episode.
Speaker 3: Was weird though that doesn't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's funny how shows written and directed a
Speaker 1: year two years ago.
Speaker 2: Just these these things are there.
Speaker 3: Weird, interesting, It's like they don't see it happening, can't
Speaker 3: can't read the riding on the wall or anything. Yep.
Speaker 1: So Face with the rest of being caught, Met briefly
Speaker 1: considers abandoning Bullseye. However, remembering Foggy's past actions, he changes
Speaker 1: his mind. Instead, Matt returns, picks Bullseye up, and flees
Speaker 1: with him before the task Force finds him, choosing mercy
Speaker 1: over convenience. Now, yes, they did flee, but they also
Speaker 1: left a huge blood stain in the middle of the church.
Speaker 3: I was also very shocked that Matt actually left, like
Speaker 3: he actually made that decision of like I can't, I
Speaker 3: can't save you, I have to go. Like I was
Speaker 3: very shocked at that. But he did come back, and
Speaker 3: I as soon as he had the memory of finding
Speaker 3: Foggy in the building in the hallway after giving the
Speaker 3: money to Ray, It's like, all right, he he knows
Speaker 3: what his moral compass is telling him, he's gonna go back,
Speaker 3: and he does. He goes back and he gets Bullseye,
Speaker 3: he gets out of there, and you're right when the
Speaker 3: task force comes into the back room finds all that blood.
Speaker 3: I definitely feel bad for that, uh, for that pastor, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in trouble.
Speaker 1: And that's what I thought too when I looked down
Speaker 1: and I saw that blood in the scenary and is
Speaker 1: standing behind the anti vigil anti task force, and I'm
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, I go, oh man, this this is
Speaker 1: not going to be pretty for this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah at all.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, I felt super super bad for him.
Speaker 3: Uh.
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Speaker 1: So coming out of them escaping uh the church, Like
Speaker 1: you said, Uh, Daredevil had fully left the building. He
Speaker 1: left Bullseye lying there in a pull of his own
Speaker 1: blood bleeding out. He got out the building almost down
Speaker 1: the street when he was like, ah, you know what,
Speaker 1: I gotta go back. That they're going to hurt him.
Speaker 1: So that that was again going back to foggy. Everything
Speaker 1: that he had stood for, all the positivity, you know,
Speaker 1: all the things that they talked about when they were
Speaker 1: coming up as young lawyers is all bleeding back into
Speaker 1: Matt and creating this moment where he's like, look, even
Speaker 1: though this person did wrong, we still have to do
Speaker 1: right by them.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 1: So at this point, Matt brings Bullseye to Karen, who
Speaker 1: is at their hideout, and she is visibly shocked. And
Speaker 1: when I say visibly shocked, she side eyes that man
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 3: Hell you doing? Oh yeah, that was terrible.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so Matt asked her for help, but again she's
Speaker 1: just she's just in this shocked face that you brought
Speaker 1: this man to our hideout, our home the hell.
Speaker 3: The funny thing is he probably already knew where it was.
Speaker 3: It's Bullseye. He's been He's probably been following them everywhere
Speaker 3: they went regardless. But oh yeah, you know, he just
Speaker 3: he doesn't care. You know, if he wanted to, he
Speaker 3: could have killed them at any point in time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if if he was, if he was outside of
Speaker 1: Cherry's apartment just in order to save Matt there, and
Speaker 1: he knows all the other things, then he had to
Speaker 1: have known where their hideout is. Right, This wasn't some
Speaker 1: unknown information. He could have broken through the window. He
Speaker 1: could have taken them out at any point. He chose
Speaker 1: not to because he's on his quote unquote redemption arc.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So also while this episode is going on, i'd be
Speaker 2: messed up. I talked about it. We are also.
Speaker 1: Intertwining with our b story of Daniel Blake and Buck
Speaker 1: Cashman going on a little bit of a road trip
Speaker 1: as Daniel's kind of feeling a little bit guilty because
Speaker 1: he thinks, Okay, the information that I'm saying is.
Speaker 2: Leaking out, and now.
Speaker 1: You know, we're taking this road trip to Albany and
Speaker 1: Buck is super quiet and he's telling his story about
Speaker 1: his time in the British Secret Service and in the
Speaker 1: Army and how he killed people before and all this
Speaker 1: other stuff. And you can just see Daniel's you know,
Speaker 1: is having this moment for the son of the guy
Speaker 1: who played Tony Soprano. He's thinking back to some Soprano episodes.
Speaker 1: Uh oh man, I'm giving driven upstate into the woods
Speaker 1: to be taken out.
Speaker 3: What's really awesome is that Buck also his backstory also
Speaker 3: kind of intertwines with Foggies because he was tasked to
Speaker 3: go take out Ray, but he didn't. Yeah, I think, yeah,
Speaker 3: he didn't at that time. So when what happens here
Speaker 3: is he's taking him upstate to go maybe kill uh yeah, Danny,
Speaker 3: what's his name? Check?
Speaker 1: Daniel thinks he's about he's about to get killed. Kiss
Speaker 1: They stuck because originally Buck says, hey, we're going for
Speaker 1: hot dogs, and then Daniel starts to realize we're not
Speaker 1: getting hot dogs. We're not driving to Albany for hot dogs,
Speaker 1: and then they stop off. Buck goes in, gets a
Speaker 1: shovel and an electrical saw, which is hilarious, and again
Speaker 1: he is just sitting there like, oh god, I'm this
Speaker 1: this is it for me, Like he's gonna kill me?
Speaker 3: So I was, so I was gonna ask, because obviously
Speaker 3: at the end of it he doesn't. He finds out
Speaker 3: that there's somebody in the trunk. Is that Ray in
Speaker 3: the trunk?
Speaker 1: I know that was Christophee, the first mate from the
Speaker 1: Northern Star, so that they they have him in there,
Speaker 1: and then that's when Buck says, this is your time
Speaker 1: to pick your fate. And again you still think Daniel's
Speaker 1: about to get it, and he goes a saw or
Speaker 1: shovel and opens the trunk and you see Christophee wrapped
Speaker 1: in plastics. So it's one of these. All right, this
Speaker 1: is your moment to step up and prove your loyalty
Speaker 1: to mayor Fists in this way. When the whole time
Speaker 1: again Daniel's thinking like, ah, I am a dead man now.
Speaker 3: The fact that he is, he has to know that
Speaker 3: that BB is leaking all this stuff, especially after this episode,
Speaker 3: because he told her that Vanessa is in critical condition,
Speaker 3: and then within like an hour, the news reports is
Speaker 3: saying that she that she's in critical condition, and he's
Speaker 3: just like, babie, you totally screwed me. What are you doing.
Speaker 3: It's like he knew before he had suspicions before. You're all,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Dude?
Speaker 1: Like come on, yeah, you know, had it been me,
Speaker 1: I probably would have fed her some false information because
Speaker 1: you already suspect her. You suspected her after the apartment thing.
Speaker 1: You suspect her when you two went out to when
Speaker 1: you had dinner at your apartment after that, like you
Speaker 1: already suspect her. So I may have saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's incredible condition, it's touching. Go and then you you
Speaker 1: can always come back and clean that up later like, oh,
Speaker 1: she starts to get better, so now she's stable. But
Speaker 1: you know he told her that. In eight hour later,
Speaker 1: it's on the news and he's like, oh damn it, Bbe,
Speaker 1: what did you do? And then the next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: Buck is saying, let's go get hot dogs at Albany.
Speaker 2: And You're like, I am, I'm screwed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's it's funny, it's great. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So we cut back to Mayor Fisk and Vanessa and
Speaker 1: after the surgery, the doctors informed Fists that the procedure
Speaker 1: was successful, give and hope that Vanessa will recover. She
Speaker 1: finally regains consciousness and the two share a quiet moment.
Speaker 1: Vanessa seems disoriented but calm, asking for pineapple juice. Before
Speaker 1: requesting that, Fist tells her the story of how they met,
Speaker 1: even though she remembers. And it's funny because he's like,
Speaker 1: why are you requesting pineapple? You don't like pineapple juice?
Speaker 1: You say it makes your lips tingle, and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: now I have a taste for it. Yeah, And you know,
Speaker 1: he asked her multiple times to tell her a story,
Speaker 1: and you could tell something's a little bit off with
Speaker 1: her at this point.
Speaker 3: The yeah, yes, I mean, you'll talk about here in
Speaker 3: a second. But the second time she asked, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh no, I knew immediately what was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Yep, So he tells the story again. We get some
Speaker 1: more flashbacks the painting, the art gallery of everything else,
Speaker 1: and then the moment is short lived because after a
Speaker 1: brief moment of silence, Vanessa again asks Fists to tell
Speaker 1: her story, and the mayor finds it strange. He tries
Speaker 1: to speak more, and her condition starts to worsen.
Speaker 2: You could tell her speech is slurr and her eyes
Speaker 2: are rolling.
Speaker 1: The monitors beginning to malfunction, and Fist immediately screams for
Speaker 1: the medical team.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So yeah, at this point we know up something about
Speaker 1: this did not go well.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: In the final moments, doctors attempt to resuscitate and stabilize
Speaker 1: her while Fist watches from the side, visibly shaking. The
Speaker 1: episode cuts out amid the chaos, leaving her fate that
Speaker 1: Vanessa may not survive this time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, probably not, if I'm being honest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So that that's how we conclude the episode, and
Speaker 1: it's giving me a lot of vibes that you know what,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be the jumping off point that mayor
Speaker 1: Fist is gonna go absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if with her dying, it's gonna be a
Speaker 3: NonStop vigilante takedown for him. Like he's gonna like tear
Speaker 3: down the city looking for bull Eye, looking for Daredevil,
Speaker 3: anybody in the mask, and that's gonna be it for him. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's all he's gonna do.
Speaker 2: The war is gonna be on.
Speaker 1: So, like we said earlier, this was a slower episode,
Speaker 1: a lot of exposition, a lot of building the world
Speaker 1: and building not only where people came from, also giving
Speaker 1: you a look if you had not seen the Netflix era,
Speaker 1: you kind of get more of a look into Foggy
Speaker 1: and Matt, you know, on their coming up as lawyers.
Speaker 1: You see just you get a retelling of how Wilson
Speaker 1: and Vanessa met. So you get all these pieces into
Speaker 1: play to show how much he really cares about her.
Speaker 1: So when he goes absolutely crazy on the town and
Speaker 1: starts going full on martial law, we understand why. Yep, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that. You know, we know that Jessica Jones
Speaker 1: is returning this season. We saw from the trailers that
Speaker 1: she is going to have some interactions with the anti
Speaker 1: Vigilanti task Force. So I'm thinking that after this maryor
Speaker 1: Fish just declares a war state on the city and
Speaker 1: this is when he has Daredevil has to bring in
Speaker 1: some help because things are just getting too crazy and
Speaker 1: out of control.
Speaker 3: Yep, I can see that.
Speaker 2: So all right.
Speaker 1: So that was episode five, the Grand Design, and know
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to episode six and.
Speaker 2: The fallout of this.
Speaker 1: And where we go and to know definitively for sure
Speaker 1: the fate of Vanessa. I don't think she survived, but
Speaker 1: again we we don't know until we see her six
Speaker 1: feet under.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, and until we see the body, especially in
Speaker 3: comic books, well even then, when you see a body,
Speaker 3: it's not always gone.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so you know that there used to be
Speaker 1: the joke that no one stays dead other than Bucky
Speaker 1: and Uncle Ben, and both of which came back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, so so.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: I have a factor of fiction about her coming back,
Speaker 1: so again, you never know with these people.
Speaker 2: All right. So that wraps up our recap of episode five.
Speaker 1: Like I said, we are going to skip feedback and
Speaker 1: listener questions for this week. They will be paused until
Speaker 1: Chris returns next week. We do have a good question
Speaker 1: that we're just gonna hold on to from our friend
Speaker 1: Anthony Dorsey, So don't think we forgot about it. We're
Speaker 1: just gonna hold on to it next week. Same thing
Speaker 1: with Factor fiction again. Since this was such a last
Speaker 1: minute pinch hit step in not going to force our
Speaker 1: friend Joda to come up with three factor fictions, I
Speaker 1: would have.
Speaker 3: Had to come up with something in an hour. I'm like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what I what if this happens? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll hold off on the Factor fiction. We
Speaker 1: will go over the results and everything next week. Same
Speaker 1: thing with Comic Book Club. We will continue our read
Speaker 1: through of Age of Ultron. So but other than that,
Speaker 1: that is your episode.
Speaker 2: Again.
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Speaker 1: Post credits discussion, there was there has been some news
Speaker 1: coming out of CinemaCon. I'm not going to touch on
Speaker 1: all the news, some of which some of which just
Speaker 1: happened in our Basically these literally this news came out.
Speaker 1: Chris and I text about whether we would talk about it,
Speaker 1: and then two minutes later he called me to say
Speaker 1: I can't talk.
Speaker 3: So yeah, that literally happened within It was crazy.
Speaker 1: So that there is some leaked trailer information things like that,
Speaker 1: we're not going to talk about that because it's a leak.
Speaker 1: We haven't even seen it, so we're gonna be just
Speaker 1: talking about someone else talking about something that they've seen
Speaker 1: that's only.
Speaker 3: By next week you guys will have something more substantial,
Speaker 3: so yes.
Speaker 1: But something that did come out of CinemaCon is we
Speaker 1: got a look at some new shots from Beyond the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse. Yeah, and man, oh man, if these shots
Speaker 1: don't look pretty.
Speaker 3: Man, I've loved these movies ever since they came out.
Speaker 3: And I am seeing Miles and his dad there, it's
Speaker 3: just gonna make me sad. Yeah. This, Yeah, this show
Speaker 3: and this movie looks so awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we see three or four different art styles here.
Speaker 1: Michigan has me excited. We had that with across the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse, with some changing with the art styles. This
Speaker 1: cool rayon on the Prowler, you get back to the
Speaker 1: more traditional art style with this moment with Miles and
Speaker 1: his dad. You get the more you know Matt it
Speaker 1: look in this moment with him and Gwyn. I love
Speaker 1: this moment with Spider Punk uh saying you know you're
Speaker 1: gonna save your dad. And then we get a different
Speaker 1: look of you know, Miles's dad and his uncle as
Speaker 1: they are looking like they are in a younger time.
Speaker 1: Just yeah, these are some awesome looks. We get miguel
Speaker 1: O hair here going after Spider Man. I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: so excited about these steals and just getting to know that,
Speaker 1: all right, we're getting closer and closer to this coming.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am excited next year seven.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, as long as it stays on track, will
Speaker 1: be next year between twenty seven. Now, again, with the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse movies, there is always a chance that it
Speaker 1: could get delayed. My thoughts of using opinion on that is,
Speaker 1: if you are delaying it in order to do it.
Speaker 2: Right, I'm okay with that.
Speaker 3: I'd rather agree.
Speaker 1: You know, if you're gonna ask me to pick a
Speaker 1: date and I say the date to quote Hitchhiker's Guys
Speaker 1: to the Galaxy, I rather be.
Speaker 2: Happy than rite.
Speaker 3: Exactly.
Speaker 1: So if you if you got to delay this a
Speaker 1: little bit past when I want just in order to
Speaker 1: make it perfect, then you know it go ahead, because
Speaker 1: I'd rather sit in that movie theater be absolutely happy
Speaker 1: with this. And yeah, that that is I'm super super
Speaker 1: excited for it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can't wait for it. It's it's The
Speaker 3: first two were amazing. The first one was like, came
Speaker 3: out of nowhere blue expectations, everybody's expectations. Second one was
Speaker 3: just as good. This one looks amazing. I can't I
Speaker 3: can't wait.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my I will say that.
Speaker 1: You know, I fell in love with Molesey care character
Speaker 1: reading again the ultimate line of comics when he was
Speaker 1: first introduced. But my kids, who are fairly young, one
Speaker 1: is nine and the other one turns twelve tomorrow, they
Speaker 1: grew up on the Spider Verse movies and it made
Speaker 1: them fall in love with Miles the character. But it
Speaker 1: also this was pre Black Panther and other things. This
Speaker 1: was the first time they saw themselves represented, oh nice,
Speaker 1: as a character.
Speaker 2: So that has.
Speaker 1: Always been a sticking point with me. Like my kid
Speaker 1: saw Miles, he saw the hair that Miles has.
Speaker 2: That's the way my oldest kid's hair is like he's.
Speaker 1: He's followed throughout and it's always been a this is
Speaker 1: somebody that we can connect with. And so because of that,
Speaker 1: watching them grow up with these I'm excited for the
Speaker 1: next round of these movies.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about comics. Man, you know, this
Speaker 3: just is something for everybody.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that being said, that is our show against Joe.
Speaker 2: I thank you so much for filling in.
Speaker 1: I know, so it's kind of a quick show today
Speaker 1: with us skipping a lot of things. But again, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you just taking the time, last minute call with
Speaker 1: an hour to go saying hey, are you available, and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's Chris appreciates it.
Speaker 2: He hopes to be back next week.
Speaker 3: Again.
Speaker 1: He thinks it's just allergies just took out his voice
Speaker 1: at the last minute, so he should be back to
Speaker 1: full strength so that we can continue our run through
Speaker 1: Daredevil line this season.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, thank you for letting me come on,
Speaker 3: thank you for having me. Always a blast, so hopefully
Speaker 3: come back on in the future.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so well and that again, we appreciate everyone
Speaker 1: for listening and we will see you guys next week.
Speaker 2: Bye y'all, Bye bye,