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Speaker 1: Singer songwriter Mark Winters this year. Hello, Mark, what's shaken? Matt,

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Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I love loving it here. It's so beautiful in

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the area. And I have to say I really love

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the tagline unleashed for your show.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome. It's got a big, good story behind that.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't, oh, you know what it was?

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So when back when I started, because I started it

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as a podcast in twenty eleven and then in twenty seventeen,

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I had the opportunity to bring the show here to

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WM and h been here ever since. But originally it

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was just I called it unleashed because I was used

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to being a co host on other people's shows and

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now is starting my own show. So it's gonna be

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where I'm just gonna do, you know whatever, say whatever

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opinions I have, et cetera, and people can like it

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or lump it. You know, I'm gonna be truly unleashed.

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Speaker 3: I love that unleashed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I feel like sometimes I'm in the same boat.

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I'm all about the positive vibes. Yes, those singer songwriters

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are a little more moody than I am. Yeah, so

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I have to control how much I'm leashed all my

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positive energy?

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Speaker 1: You know, right right, you're currently on uh you're on

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a How how long is your tour? You've you're going

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all over the place for I.

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Speaker 3: Has sixty five days of awesomeness.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: The Good Vibes Highway Tour headed east out of Houston, Texas,

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down the Gulf Coast and then up the Eastern Seaboard

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up into Canada and then back down through the Central

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US to to Texas.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, where do you live?

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Speaker 3: Based in Houston Town?

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Speaker 1: Based in Houston? Okay? Yeah? Is this your first big

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tour like going as far as you are?

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Speaker 3: My second?

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Speaker 2: So spring of this year I did a West Coast tour,

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first time going out that direction as well, and uh

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kind of learned the whole tour culture and how to

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be on an extended tour. And this is the second

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one that I'm doing here in the fall, and I

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loving loving being out on the road, loving sharing the

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energy with everyone that I meet. It's it's an amazing

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way to see the United States.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. We're glad you're here. Well,

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so you've got your guitar and you're gonna play in

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a couple minutes, but I think we're gonna play this.

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This is the new single, right, Man in the Sky.

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Speaker 3: Man in the Sky.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's about one of my daily rituals. I wake

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up in the morning with a cuff of coffee. I

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love to watch the sunrise. I love to be out

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camping and nature. It helps me set my mind right

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for the day before I turn my TV on, or

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before I watch my phone or anything else. And I

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get a certain pep I pick me up in my

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step if I start my day that way. And the

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track and the vibes and the lyrics are all about

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just enjoying that fresh moment, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, yeah, outstanding all right, So let's play this. This

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is called Man in the Sky, and this is Mark Winters.

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Speaker 4: This morning with the sky is my guy.

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Speaker 2: It's that still biding in my mind somewhere in the

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clouds call them mea look up, looking look out the

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journeys all around, even.

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Speaker 4: When the clouds are passing.

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Speaker 5: Bottle talking to the plan of below sky.

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Speaker 2: In the meadow, green sol bast answerines were daisy bloom

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and the air so clean, Standing on around, getting ready

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take a wall, look up, looking look out the journey's

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all rounds.

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Speaker 4: Even when the.

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Speaker 6: Clowns are passing bays, talking to the plan up in

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the sky, talking to the man up in the sky,

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feeling like song.

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Speaker 7: The old Crown.

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Speaker 5: Oh, even when the clouds are passing byways, talking to

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the man up in the sky, talking to the.

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Speaker 1: Man that is man in the sky, and that is

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Mark Winters. And we have Mark Winters here with us

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alive in studio on this Saturday. Great track, very very catchy.

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I love all the music you sent us. And we

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have another song too that we're gonna play at the

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end of our segment today, another great studio track. But

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before we go any further too, for those who are

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watching online on your platform of choice, whether it be

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Facebook or YouTube or even we even stream on LinkedIn.

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But I want to show off for the camera this

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this rubber bracelet or what's the term's wristband? Thank you.

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I was blanking on the name, So tell us about

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this so that it says think like a proton always positive,

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which I And it's got your it's got your name

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on it, of course, Mark, good good branding. But but

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but yeah, tell us about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm uh my undergraduate degrees in

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aerospace engineering. I took a left turn at Albuquerque and

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became an artist instead, but I did practice for a

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little bit, and my brain has always lived in both

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the world of poetry and science. And so when I

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think about, uh, you know the world a lot of times,

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I think, you know through those both of those lenses,

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And and when I rolled out, the glass was always

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like half full. For me, I always see the world

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in a positive way. When I meet people, I look

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for the good in them. When I sit in a

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songwriting circle, I look for the best of everyone to

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try and combine it together. I've always had that sort

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of positive view of the world, and it's hard for

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me not to put it in my lyrics. And so

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when I show up to play a show somewhere, my

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goal is to create more positive energy for everyone who's

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attending a show for me. And if I've done that,

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then I've had a great day. Yeah, and uh, I

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feel like I've contributed to the universe. Uh. And my

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grandma would be proud of me for making the world

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a little writer.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's outstanding. Can you tell us you a little

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bit more about your background? And by the way, so

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I am someone who you know, Jenny was talking earlier

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about how she's not good at things like math and science.

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I'm the same way. Although Jenny's better at math than

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she realizes because she does that amazing macrima. And I

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always say, what's that? It is math? It is math,

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it's me. It's geometry, Am I reometry?

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Speaker 3: It's applied physics?

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Speaker 1: Yes it is? Yes? See correct? So there you go,

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there you go.

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Speaker 3: An expert is master Jenny?

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Speaker 1: Yes? So so she's and she's incredible at doing that.

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But like I can't, you know, I was always math

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and science were always very hard for me in school.

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Speaker 1: I excelled more with with reading, comprehension and writing and

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things like that, and history I was good at. But

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math and science I was always terrible at. But what

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what is it that? So obviously you're you know, really

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good at those things, But what is it that that

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brought you into into music? And because you're you're doing

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this as your full time career now.

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Speaker 2: Right, it's my it's my thing. Yeah, it's my vibe.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So in twenty eleven, I wanted to do something musical

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and never had done anything artistically. My grandmother when I

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was five, had taught me to write poetry. Okay, So

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my whole life I've been writing poetry, which is amazing.

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I think that created the sort of juxtaposition in my

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brain of all these thoughts because I started with her.

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twenty eleven, I put it on the list I'm going

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to do it. I bought a guitar from a local

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guitar shop and on the on the sly I learned

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to play a song for my wife for anniversary.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and I thought, oh.

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Speaker 2: Three months, there's plenty of time to do. Go from

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nothing like no musical experience to performing a song for

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my wife.

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Speaker 2: Quite a bit to bite off, I find out later.

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But the guitar shop guy was really cool. And I

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used to get my daughter to sit in the fourier

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with me and practice UH while my wife was out

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working UH to get ready for the for the performance.

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And then we went out to dinner at our favorite

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place for anniversary, and I said, I forgot something in

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the car and I went back and got my guitar

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and she's like, what.

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Speaker 4: Are you doing?

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Speaker 3: So she had no idea, had no idea guitar. I

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had nothing.

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Speaker 2: It was all all you know, right on the spot. Yeah,

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a nice little intimate place. Everybody, the whole crowd that

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was there, pulled their chairs around, made a little audience.

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remember the lyrics and the chords all at the same time.

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you know, a long winded way to say when I

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when I performed that song for her, it was so amazing,

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so emotional, the connection. I want to write poems for

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someone it's personal, and I read it to him, it's

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more personal. When I sang it was like, this is

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what I meant to do. And so from that moment forward,

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I became obsessed. My wife would say, was teaching myself music.

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taught myself to write music and read music and compose.

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and I found, I guess I didn't write at first

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the cover band. I just wanted to play some shows

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with them. And I found as I was singing, singing

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other people's words, they wouldn't say what I wanted to say.

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I started changing the lyricsd and my wife was like,

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you can't change the lyrics.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's what I want to say.

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Speaker 2: That led me to writing my own stuff in twenty

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eighteen and put my first album out in twenty nineteen,

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started touring behind that, and of course COVID, like everyone else,

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kind of interrupted that whole experience. And so when COVID

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was happening, I went online because I wrote a four

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piece rock band format for my first album, Soft Rock.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when I went online and started doing charity fundraisers,

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zoom ticketed charity fundraisers to learn how to be a

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singer songwriter proper, yeah, and rearranged all my music and

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started writing in that lane. And and I haven't looked back.

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It's been amazing. I just love the journey that I'm

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on and the people I get to meet.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's music theory must have been pretty easy

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for you, right, you know it was.

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Speaker 2: It's very mathematical, That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, Yeah, there's

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a very mathematical element the part, believe it or not,

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the instrumental part was fairly I'm pretty dexterous, and so

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I play sports and whatever else. And so between the

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math and and the hand eye coordination, the instrument part

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was was much easier. Yeah, the vocal part I had

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no reference and so I didn't even sing in choir, right,

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I really yeah, right, And so just to learn to

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control your voice is such a whole other experience. Yeah,

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and that was the hardest journey.

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Speaker 3: And I started.

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Speaker 2: I got a vocal coach in Houston, and that that

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helped me a ton. Ok, it's really much easier to

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learn from someone else.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you vocals, Yeah, vocals, You know, your voice.

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they just they just can do it without even you know,

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I've met so many people who just it's like, oh,

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did you take lessons? And they say no, they just

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they're just able to do it, you know what I mean.

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It's it's I've always been been very jealous. I'm a

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bass player and I can I can sing like I'm

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not a bad harmony singer. I can kind of find

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the octave and lock in. But on my own I

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get lost. And I went through three different vocal coaches

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and nobody, nobody could get me to where I wanted

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to be. With it.

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ten thousand steps in and so you know, if you

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didn't grow up singing in church and choir and whatever,

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then you got to you got to put that time in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And so as I've become, you know, more experienced as

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a vocalist, it's much more intuitive now for me. I

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sing in a trio back home, and I seen harmonies

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and so you know, and the lady asking with is

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very well trained and very precise, and so all the

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people around you start pushing you to develop your skill.

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when I pick up a song, to pick up a guitar,

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to write a song, it's very easy for me to

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sort of craft a melody now on the fly, where

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you know, two years ago it was much more difficult.

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Speaker 3: It's becoming intuitive.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's excellent. Yeah, that's great. Well, I'm dying to

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hear you play live. You want to play something live,

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Let's let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about one of those science meets philosophy juxtapositions.

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I'm gonna break through some boundaries with you, guys, with

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a song called boundary Layer. Computational fluid dynamics has boundary

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layer theory in it and particle theory. Particles approaching an

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object in a fluid slow down when they get near

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the object, and then they accelerate in a new direction.

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Kind of like the philosophy of breaking through a boundary

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in your own life. So let's rock and roll with

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some boundary layer, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Mark Winter is live in studio.

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Speaker 2: Supersonic speed, I can see what I need.

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Speaker 4: I'm soaring faster than higher, breaking through. I believe in me.

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Speaker 2: We find our limits when we're young, slowing down before

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we've be gone. They tell me I'm too small to

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play and that I don't look like them at all.

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Or can I find the strength in me to break

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my boundaries?

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Speaker 4: In me?

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Speaker 2: Eat me see pushing that supersonic speed, I can see

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what I need.

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Speaker 4: I'm soaring faster.

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Speaker 7: And ie.

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Speaker 4: Breaking through. I believe in me.

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Speaker 2: Here we go now, get a job and find a life.

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Listen to everyone's advice. They tell me I'm too old

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change and that I need.

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Speaker 4: To rearrange my mind.

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Speaker 2: Where can I find the strength in me to preck

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my boundaries and make me see.

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Speaker 4: Pushing at the supersonic speed, I can see what I need.

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I'm soaring faster inne breaking through. I believe in me.

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Speaker 2: Go bring some love along the way, keep my humble

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minded play bound to lay us are just to test

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to give the strength to be my best. Bring my

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circle up with me, feel the love and loyalty. Boundary

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lay us are just to test to give the strength

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to be my best.

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Speaker 4: Push You're not the supersonic speed. I can see what

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I need. I'm soaring faster and I breaking through. I

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belief in me. But you're not the supersonic speed. I

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can see what I need. I'm soaring faster and eye

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breaking through.

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Speaker 1: I believe in Very nice, very nice. If you're just

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joining us, we have Mark Winter is here with us,

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alive in studio. He's on a tour and he is

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in the area. And that's what is that song.

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Speaker 3: Called again, It's called boundary Layer.

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Speaker 1: Boundary Layer. Very good. So now where are you in

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your tour in terms of like what did you play

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last night?

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Speaker 3: Somewhere I did?

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Speaker 2: I did played down in Pennsylvania last night, and then

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the night before I was in New York. So I'm

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in week number four four, Yeah, week number four of

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a sixty five day tour, having a great time, like

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a little inch worm about you know, three hundred miles

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a day. I drive and then I dropped my trailer

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International Park or State Forest, and you know, play a

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show and come back and get up in the morning

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and do the thing again. You know, it's it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: And then where do you go after here?

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Speaker 2: Where's your Yeah, I'm headed to Maynard. I'm playing in

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a festive this afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Excellent.

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Speaker 2: And then from there I go to Maine for a

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two day break to visit my dad.

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Speaker 3: Uh he lives in o Gunquit, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Uh so I'm gonna hang out, walk the margin away

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and then uh, you know, recharge a little bit, and

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then I'm up off into Canada.

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Speaker 1: Oh nice, How many dates you have up there?

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Speaker 2: I have five five shows in Canada?

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Speaker 1: Outstanding. Wow, that's great. That's great. So what's been like,

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Has anything been a surprise to you doing that? Because

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you said, this is the first tour that you've done

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of this size, right, this many dates?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so spring I did the same number of days, okay,

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and so it kind of learned a little bit of

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the tour culture, you know, I think, uh, for for me, uh,

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it's been so amazing to get out of the echo

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chamber of Houston. Yeah, you're you kind of you get

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stuck in a situation and an environment, and your brain,

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I think stops growing and thinking.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And so I think getting out on the West Coast

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was amazing for me. And you don't really know how

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your music is landing with people. I mean all the

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streaming and TikTok and YouTube and you know, the interaction

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you get, you know, is not as rich. And what

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I found when I was on the West Coast was,

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first of all, there's a lot of people who are

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science nerds, closet closet science nerds who really are viving

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with my music, which is really cool, excellent. And then

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I found this the whole positive energy element. There were

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so many people who came out to see a show

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for the positive energy experience, and they heard me on

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the radio like on your show, they came out to

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a show for me. I remember the first time that

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happened to me was in New Mexico.

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Speaker 3: I was in Ridoso.

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Speaker 2: It was a beautiful city, and a couple drove three

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hours they heard me on the radio.

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Speaker 3: They drove three hours. They're like, we got a lot

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of bad.

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Speaker 2: Stuff going on in our life right now, and we

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want an evening of positive energy.

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Speaker 3: And I was so touched.

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Speaker 2: Three or four of the couples heard me on the

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same radio station and came out for that same experience.

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And it was ten days into my tour on the

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West Coast, and it told me I'm in the right

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place and doing what i need to be doing right

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in this world. And I've still got goosebumps because i

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had so many experiences like that along my West Coast tour.

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I was just on fire the whole time. Yeah, my

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wife asked me. She's like, she comes out a week

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out of each month that tour, and she says, you know,

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this is.

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Speaker 1: A lot, a lot.

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Speaker 3: You're up every day early.

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Speaker 2: You got a lot of stuff going on, you got

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all this stuff in email everything else.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot, she said, How do you do it?

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Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm.

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Speaker 2: So so fulfilled by the people I meet and the

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experiences I'm having and the fact that my music is

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really making a difference in the world. Yes, you know

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it's no effort, Yeah, you know, it's worth it. It's

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worth every effort, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Is there anything that's really kind

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of surprised you or challenges that maybe you didn't expect

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that you've run into, you know, because it's not easy

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what you're doing. It's like your wife said, it is

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a lot, and it's it's fulfilling. So it's a lot

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in a good way, right, in a positive way. But

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it is a lot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I had never pulled the

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trailer before. Yeah, And so there was the I rented

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a few and tried it out and kind of got

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my the sizing and everything the way I wanted to

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do in whatever. But I had never been out in

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the snow and mountains and whatever. So there was a

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whole lot to learn about being cold in Canada or

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in the Northern United States in the mountains that I

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didn't know how to. I didn't even bring warm clothes

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with me on the tour. Whop at Walmart and buy

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some sweatshirts and whatever. And then as a musician, you

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don't really know your music until you've been in so

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many rooms where the sound is just off. They've got

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the EQ on the monitor. Weird, you got all these

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all these weird things happen. You can't hear yourself, You

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can't hear anything. I remember I played a rock venue

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They're trying to develop a songwriter night, and they had

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the vocals compressed so much. There was no dynamics, and

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they had the frequencies super tight. You couldn't hear your

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overtones or anything. There was like nothing. And so I

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found I was very challenged to hear myself, right, and

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you and you really have to learn. You're in a

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big crowd, it's super noisy. How do you continue to

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hear yourself properly as a musician?

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Speaker 1: Yep?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: That was That was a heart lesson.

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Speaker 2: It took me about maybe four weeks into my West

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Coast two before I had played enough rooms that I'd

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learned the thing. Yeah, and then something I'm still learning, how.

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Speaker 3: Do you read a room?

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Speaker 2: So a friend of mine is a brilliant songwriter from

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the Houston area, Ken Gaines. When I first started off

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as as a songwriter, I asked if I could just

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follow him around for a few of his shows, very

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regionally successful, and just watch what he does. And he

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took me under his wing for three shows and he

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told me his set list, in advance, and he said,

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but I'm going to change it, and I'm going to

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change the intro and the outro and the story based

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on the room.

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Speaker 3: How do you do that?

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Speaker 2: And so he's playing the show and then he would

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stop in the show and he said, Mark, this is

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for you, and he would make a change. He wouldn't

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tell anybody else what he was doing for you, And

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I knew what he was doing, right, And I'm like, okay,

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I got to know my music that well right to

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be professional, you know, to be accomplished. And so I'm

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still learning how to do that, you know. I think

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it's just a journey, you know that I'll probably be

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on ever, just learning how to read a room and

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land the story and music in a way that's gonna

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that's going to serve the room and the song the best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that makes sense, and that yeah,

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that is something you kind of that's not something anyone

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can It's not something you can read in a book.

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How to do that? You know. It's the only way you.

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Speaker 3: Could, man, I wish you could in a book.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way. Yeah, really, the only way you

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can learn is by by doing. And uh, it can

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be tricky.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish it was a journeyman process. You know,

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that would be great if I could like just tack

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on to a touring guy who's you know, a gray beard,

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who could show me around, yeah, and teach me some

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of those things. But that's just not a part of

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a music program that I'm aware of anyway, you know.

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Speaker 1: I think that aspect is especially challenging when you're you know,

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a solo act, right, just you and a guitar, because

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if you're in a band, like if you're in a band,

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there's a certain comfort to that and a safety in that,

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you know, safety in numbers. You know, no matter what

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the room is, you're up there with three other guys

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or four other guys or whatever the configuration is, right,

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But when it's just you, you're vulnerable, right, it's just you

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with the guitar, and you've got to figure out how

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to read that room. When you're in a band, you

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kind of don't care. It's like we do what we do, right,

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But when it's just you, there's that added pressure of

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you really got to sell this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

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Speaker 2: And another thing I had to learn, like I love

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I'm all about positive energy, and I can share a

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million stories, touching stories, but I have a few songs

478
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,480
that are very personal, and I'm not used to like

479
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:38,079
being super vulnerable when I'm performing. And and so another

480
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:40,720
thing that I've had to learn, you know, is stories

481
00:25:40,759 --> 00:25:43,359
are meant to be shared. I have a song my grandmother,

482
00:25:43,519 --> 00:25:46,920
my my poetry pal who's no longer with me, but

483
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:50,160
super influential in my life. I wrote a song because

484
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:53,880
I continue to hear her voice talking to me and

485
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,160
encouraging me. And it's it's original, real, it's her telling

486
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:03,680
me things. I'm sure where she's coming from. But you know,

487
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,440
I get so emotional when I sing that song and

488
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,640
I tell the story, and it touches so many people

489
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:12,680
in the crowd when I do that, and they come

490
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:15,279
up afterwards and tell me, Hey, that that song your voice.

491
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,240
I can hear someone from my life, Wow, that's no

492
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,319
longer with me. And so learning how to be vulnerable

493
00:26:21,519 --> 00:26:26,480
is something I'm learning still. I have some more personal songs.

494
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:28,960
I'm scared to play them live. They're going to come

495
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,160
out on an album that's that's coming up next year,

496
00:26:31,799 --> 00:26:34,559
but I'm scared to play them live because they're sort

497
00:26:34,559 --> 00:26:40,519
of raw emotions. Yea and yeah, I got to learn.

498
00:26:40,559 --> 00:26:41,480
I've got to learn to do that.

499
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well do you want to play another live

500
00:26:43,839 --> 00:26:44,319
one for us?

501
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: I will, I will do that. So this song is a.

502
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:51,079
Speaker 4: It's a song called signal.

503
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: It's all about being aware of the energy that you're

504
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,640
putting out in the world and the energy that you're

505
00:26:58,640 --> 00:26:59,680
taking in from other people.

506
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 3: Like we're all little radio station.

507
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 2: You know. And I like to think about my channel

508
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:10,720
being sort of the positive energy channel. And have friends

509
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,480
who live on both ends of the spectrum, which helped

510
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:17,559
me write the song right, Because no matter how good

511
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:22,119
or bad you are, other people's signals affect you and

512
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,640
your perspective on life for that day and in that moment.

513
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 3: Single. This is called signal.

514
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:57,319
Speaker 2: Waves washing out from me, sending around my energy, sometimes

515
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:05,400
bright and shimmering, sometimes dark and stifling, crashing into the

516
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,759
walls and floors, sleeping in.

517
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 4: The minds and more.

518
00:28:11,319 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: Should I keep spewing random feelings, Nope, I should focus

519
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:24,559
my mind on't heeling I'm taking it in and putting

520
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:32,799
it out. I should cear up any lingering time some God,

521
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:41,880
dial in my signal and make it a dream.

522
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:50,759
Speaker 4: Make it my positive screen. Dial in my signal hey.

523
00:28:51,200 --> 00:29:09,079
Speaker 2: Make it a dream, make it my positive screen. Changing

524
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:13,720
my mind to create a layer intensity is fine if

525
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:18,680
your heart is there radiating the thoughts you want the most.

526
00:29:19,119 --> 00:29:24,400
It's a powerful, purposeful piece of Crouse reading the vibes

527
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,680
back from with him. I can tell the quote I'm

528
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:33,640
pulling out, you get back in, not accidentious, in the nagative,

529
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:40,240
bringing out the best and share that narty.

530
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 4: I'm taking it in, putting it out. I should clear

531
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:48,599
up any lingering die.

532
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: So I'm going up nyl in my signal and making

533
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:07,039
it a dream. Make it my positive screen. Dial in

534
00:30:07,119 --> 00:30:14,200
my signal and make it a dream. Make it my

535
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:23,480
positive screen. Do you feel the vibes from those around you?

536
00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:27,680
Are you catching the meaning in your mind? Is it

537
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:29,880
helping you live and smile?

538
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,400
Speaker 4: Or do you need to turn that dial.

539
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 2: I'm gonna dial in my signal and make it a dream.

540
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:05,079
Speaker 4: Make it my positive screen. Dial in that signal and.

541
00:31:05,839 --> 00:31:34,279
Speaker 8: Taking a dream, make it my positive stream.

542
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,359
Speaker 1: Outstanding. Mark Winters is here with us live in studio.

543
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:40,799
If you are just joining us, it is Matt Connorton

544
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,319
Unleashed and if you are listening live of course, today

545
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:47,079
is Saturday, October fourth, twenty twenty five as we are

546
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,160
in our first hour and starting out with some great

547
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:54,839
positivity from Mark Winters. So excellent, excellent. So when you

548
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,240
when you do this, when you play live, do you

549
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160
ever have anyone join you? Or is it always? Is

550
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,079
it always you? Or because yeah, because you mentioned back

551
00:32:02,119 --> 00:32:04,000
in Houston, there's someone you perform with, right.

552
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,799
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I have.

553
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,359
Speaker 2: I've been on an amazing musical journey and I've I've

554
00:32:09,599 --> 00:32:13,400
met so many amazing people in the production of my

555
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,519
albums and such. And I met a really good friend

556
00:32:17,559 --> 00:32:20,640
of mine now, mister Michael Shanks, about a year and

557
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,559
a half ago, and he was just coming back in

558
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:24,200
from Spain.

559
00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 4: He was in.

560
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 2: There studying at Berkeley. He's an amazing guitar player and

561
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,839
just an amazing human being. He and I were talking

562
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:36,759
with a producer that was working on a song for me,

563
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,880
and so he and I started playing when he was there.

564
00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:41,920
I just loved his energy and I said, hey, you know,

565
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,880
when you're actually back in town, you want to hang

566
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,240
out together, maybe play a few songs. Next thing, you know,

567
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:50,920
we struck up a great friendship. I started inviting him

568
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,119
out to play at shows with me. We have this

569
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:58,079
you know, I'm competent on the guitar. I played lead guitar,

570
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,519
but you know, I'm just sort of competent. He's phenomenal, okay,

571
00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,039
And the fact that he can do it on an

572
00:33:05,039 --> 00:33:09,640
acoustic guitar was what I was looking for. Creates great energy,

573
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,319
and so we started playing together. We play percussion back

574
00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:14,960
and forth on the guitars and lead and rhythm and everything.

575
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,759
Speaker 3: It's really amazing.

576
00:33:15,799 --> 00:33:18,759
Speaker 2: And then my vocal instructor I was telling you about earlier,

577
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,519
you know, he I told him I'm looking for someone

578
00:33:22,559 --> 00:33:24,920
to sing harmonies with, and he said, hey, I've got

579
00:33:25,119 --> 00:33:28,079
just the lady. She's looking for someone to do the same.

580
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:31,000
She doesn't play out a lot, and so she and

581
00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,599
I had coffee and then I invited her to sing

582
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,200
with me at a show of mine that I had

583
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:40,240
coming up. And if Lady Gaga and Adele had a baby.

584
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: That's her voice.

585
00:33:41,079 --> 00:33:46,759
Speaker 2: It's just meso soprano, richness and amazing, and if you

586
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,279
tracked her, she's like like perfect when she's tracking her

587
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:55,119
vocals or just like really like right down the middle.

588
00:33:56,200 --> 00:34:00,039
And so we started hanging out, playing singing duets to

589
00:34:00,079 --> 00:34:04,119
gather and so that became my trio okay, and we're

590
00:34:04,799 --> 00:34:08,199
really tight. I love working with those guys. I'm teaching

591
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:11,000
her how to write songs. So we've written four songs

592
00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:13,679
together now, wrote the first one just for her. There

593
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,400
have been harmonies or duo work for us, and so

594
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,159
we play out a lot around town. But she has

595
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:24,960
kids that are in middle school and isn't portable to

596
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:27,519
be out on the road. And she's still developing herself

597
00:34:27,559 --> 00:34:32,599
as an artist independent artists new and so I'm hopeful

598
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:34,800
to have her and Michael both out on the road

599
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:39,119
as I get back through the area here, maybe next year.

600
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,440
I'm still developing a following that makes it worthwhile for

601
00:34:42,519 --> 00:34:45,320
everyone to come out. You know, if you don't sell

602
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239
enough tickets, it doesn't work for people who have families

603
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,760
to feed. So so I'm working on developing us as

604
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:58,639
a trio more. And you'll hear her singing harmonies and

605
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,679
background vocals on some of the songs in my Acoustic

606
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,519
Me album. That's the live sound between the three of us.

607
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,559
That's what I capture. That is all three of us

608
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,320
performing and that on that Acoustic Me album.

609
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,599
Speaker 1: Oh cool, very nice, very nice. So how many how

610
00:35:14,599 --> 00:35:16,280
many albums have you recorded at this point?

611
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: So there are three albums that are out yea. The

612
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:25,119
first one is called Slipstream, which is a scientific principle

613
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:29,320
of being like tucked behind someone like a duck. The

614
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,119
person up front's working harder than the people behind them, Okay,

615
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,000
And I felt like I was sort of drafting off

616
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:38,599
of a lot of amazing musicians who are helping me

617
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:39,440
create that album.

618
00:35:39,679 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

619
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 2: And so that's the first album I put out kind

620
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,559
of a four piece light rock band format. And then

621
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:52,079
I put out Boundary Layer, which was my album on

622
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:54,880
the other side of COVID, still four piece rock.

623
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 3: Light rock.

624
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 2: And then I started leaning more heavily into the singer

625
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,320
songwriter and so I rearranged a lot of my music

626
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:06,960
to be singer songwriter formatted acoustic me album. I was

627
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,920
telling you about it, sort of reimagine. It's got a

628
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,199
few new songs on it. Yeah. And then I just

629
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:16,159
put out Equal SIMC Squared, which is my latest batch

630
00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:21,559
of songs that a friend of mine, John Edward Ross,

631
00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:26,559
helped me produce. And I'm working slowly with these two

632
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:30,400
new singles that I've just put out, Fake Gravity and

633
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,199
Man in the Sky are part of an album that's

634
00:36:33,199 --> 00:36:35,559
going to release next year called the Science in Me,

635
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,559
and so that would before into when that album comes out,

636
00:36:39,679 --> 00:36:40,679
that'll be the fourth album.

637
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,519
Speaker 1: Okay, so where do you record?

638
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:47,320
Speaker 2: You know, it's a I've I've recorded my very first album.

639
00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,880
I met a guy. I went looking for a producer.

640
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,000
I'm pretty thorough guy. So I interviewed a bunch of

641
00:36:53,039 --> 00:36:55,519
producers and told him, look, I'm the new guy. I

642
00:36:55,519 --> 00:36:57,760
don't know anything. I'm gonna be annoying to work with

643
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,079
because I'm gonna want to be in the middle of

644
00:36:59,079 --> 00:37:01,119
everything because I'm learning. Yeah right, yeah, And so I

645
00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:03,960
look for a producer who was friendly for that, and

646
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,320
Mark Townsend showed that his studio was in Houston, and

647
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,440
so he and I were talking. He had a Houston

648
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:13,719
number or whatever. Well, he had just relocated to LA.

649
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 3: Six months or earlier. Oh like, okay, well how do

650
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,840
we do this?

651
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,119
Speaker 2: And he's like, well, you know, why don't we just

652
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,960
have a he has a bunch of contacts.

653
00:37:22,039 --> 00:37:22,679
Speaker 3: I said, why don't we?

654
00:37:22,679 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: He said, why don't we just meet in Nashville and

655
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,480
record your first album the bones of it there, yeah,

656
00:37:27,519 --> 00:37:29,239
and then we'll come out to La do the vocals.

657
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,719
And so he did pre production in Houston, with me,

658
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,960
and then we did the bones in Nashville at the

659
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,079
House of Blue studio there and then did the vocals.

660
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:41,639
Speaker 3: Out in California.

661
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: So the first one I did with him, and then

662
00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:46,760
I learned a ton he was so he was such

663
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,559
a great mentor and he's so musically gifted. He helped

664
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:51,880
me a ton to grow and learn. And then I

665
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,599
was looking for someone more local for the second album,

666
00:37:55,639 --> 00:38:00,280
and so I worked with Derrek Haymes in Hugh and

667
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,239
sugar Land actually uh and did my second album. It

668
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,159
was a bit The process for that one was it

669
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,599
was much more difficult for me because he's kind of

670
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:13,400
a live sound person and so he wanted me to

671
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:18,559
show up, do the thing live and then okay, you know,

672
00:38:18,639 --> 00:38:21,599
he'll clean up some stuff and they're done, which is

673
00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:26,199
not how I'm wired. And so I found another guy

674
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,920
in town in Houston, Johnnybold Ross, and he and I

675
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,920
have been working together, and Michael Shanks, my guitarist, is

676
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,000
a producer as well, and so that there there are

677
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:41,880
the two that really are the people who get me

678
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:46,320
the best. And so we're on a journey together and

679
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,119
we've written this where we produced this whole next album

680
00:38:49,159 --> 00:38:53,719
together that's coming out. And so I like people, you know,

681
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,599
I like someone I can sit down and talk to you,

682
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:58,320
like you like, Okay, let's work on this together, right,

683
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,119
that sense of collaboration. I'm it's much more difficult to

684
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:03,960
be the sort of remote you know, send me your

685
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,119
vocals and send me the guitar part and put it

686
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:08,719
all together remotely.

687
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,199
Speaker 3: I don't get the energy out of that.

688
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, it's funny. Uh there was a time

689
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,599
when when people just generally were kind of turned off

690
00:39:15,639 --> 00:39:18,039
to that idea, and then COVID. COVID forced a lot

691
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:21,559
of people to work that way. But then, you know,

692
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,239
and a lot of people still a lot of people

693
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,760
still work that way. But I would imagine it I

694
00:39:26,679 --> 00:39:29,280
understand your perspective and that I would imagine it would

695
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,599
be challenging to work that Like obviously, we have the

696
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:33,960
technology to you know, send tracks back and forth with

697
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,360
Dropbox or you know, or OneDrive or whatever service you

698
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,440
want to use. And it's sometimes some of the guests

699
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,039
we have on the show, you know, these bands come

700
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:45,159
in and they've got they've got music that sounds like

701
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,199
it was all recorded together. You know, it sounds like

702
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:50,039
a live band in the studio, you know, and then

703
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,559
you find out no, they they've used a lot of

704
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,480
technology in different studios and sending tracks back and forth

705
00:39:55,519 --> 00:40:00,960
and whatnot. But but the way, the way of doing it,

706
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:03,360
the kind of the old school way, which is what

707
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,840
you're doing, it sounds easier in a lot of ways

708
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,159
because you're you're able to get that energy of directly

709
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,000
collaborating with people. Right. Yeah, it sounds. It just sounds.

710
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,960
That's how I mean. I'm a musician and I've recorded

711
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,000
some stuff, but I've never not not to the extent

712
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,880
that you have. And I would rather do it the

713
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,320
way you're doing it, I think, than the way that

714
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,119
some other people are doing it. If that makes sense.

715
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I think there's Uh, it's kind of

716
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,960
like it's like co writing. I started co writing two

717
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,400
and a half years ago, never done it before, And

718
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,360
there's a certain level of competence that you need to

719
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,079
have to co write and to correcte well. And if

720
00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,800
I show up in the right room, my co writing

721
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,280
sessions produce a completed song in three hours. Okay, So

722
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:56,280
all I need is either me instrumentally or someone else

723
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,199
on an instrument. Yeah, and you know, two people is

724
00:41:00,639 --> 00:41:03,559
if you pair me with a person who's used to

725
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:08,360
writing melody, especially, then I can do everything else, so

726
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,400
we can really produce a song really well, and there's

727
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,199
an organic element to it. And I'm good. I've written

728
00:41:14,199 --> 00:41:16,079
co written with a lot of people and I'm good

729
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:19,320
at it. And I can remotely work on zoom with someone.

730
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:28,320
Because of the transport lag, I can't play a thing

731
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,559
with you in the room, right, And so I have

732
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,679
the same problem with production. I've done it enough that

733
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,920
I can do it. I've done a track. I did

734
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,880
a Christmas track with a remote producer. It was all

735
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,840
back and forth remote and so I know how to

736
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:42,400
do it, and I do my own vocal track and

737
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:42,760
get home.

738
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:44,159
Speaker 3: I have a studio for that.

739
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:51,559
Speaker 2: But when you're creating an arrangement and you're listening to something,

740
00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:53,719
listening to a mix for the first time and trying

741
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,880
to get everything dialed in, it's so difficult because of

742
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:58,159
the lagginess of it.

743
00:41:58,719 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 6: Right.

744
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: I find it the most difficult when I'm writing, and

745
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,360
the second most difficult when I'm in the final production

746
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,599
phase and I'm trying to hear like the producers like

747
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,800
let me turn the base up or the bass down

748
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,920
or this or that way, you're not in the room

749
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:14,280
with them.

750
00:42:14,679 --> 00:42:15,599
Speaker 3: It's so hard.

751
00:42:16,199 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 2: So my process with John Edward is we can do

752
00:42:18,039 --> 00:42:23,079
certain amount of things. We do the arrangement live, me

753
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:24,960
and him and Michael in the room, and we do

754
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:27,079
the thing and we get it the way we want

755
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,239
it and the way it's the structure, and so we've

756
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,679
got the genesis of the idea is now done and

757
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:34,199
it's down and we've got that, and then.

758
00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,559
Speaker 3: We we do the parts.

759
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:39,079
Speaker 2: We can put them all, you know, Frankenstein it together,

760
00:42:39,679 --> 00:42:42,239
the parts around that arrangement. And then when we get

761
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,559
back to when I put my first set of vocals in, okay,

762
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,400
we need to sit down and listen to that live,

763
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,840
and then we do the final mix.

764
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,519
Speaker 3: We need to do the live.

765
00:42:50,559 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: So I think there's there's moments in the songs genesis

766
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,599
that you really need to be live to give it

767
00:42:57,599 --> 00:43:00,760
its best effort. And then after for that you can

768
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,599
be you know, sort of remote. That's just my personal experience.

769
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:07,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well you want to play one more

770
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:07,559
live one?

771
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's let's do it.

772
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So this next tune I'm going to play for

773
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,519
you is all about me getting out of a bad mood.

774
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:19,800
Speaker 1: Okay, So even when.

775
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 2: I'm writing about a bad mood, I have to put

776
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,320
a little positive spin on it. I was in a

777
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:27,239
bad mood about it two years ago. And you know,

778
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,360
I have a lot of crazy hobbies, you know, surfing

779
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,199
and rollerblading and motorcycle racing and whatever, anything that my

780
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,119
hair is on fire for. Yeah, and that usually gets

781
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,480
me out of any funk i'm in.

782
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:40,119
Speaker 3: H Usually just a run does.

783
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,039
Speaker 2: But I got in a bad mood that I couldn't

784
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,519
get out of it, And I said, you know, you're

785
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:47,079
a songwriter. You should write a song about it, at

786
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,239
least share the fact that you're in a bad mood,

787
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,119
and ultimately ended up helping me get out of the

788
00:43:52,159 --> 00:43:55,559
bad mood. It's called seven Deadly moods.

789
00:43:55,760 --> 00:44:00,199
Speaker 1: All right, Mark Winter is live in studio.

790
00:44:13,199 --> 00:44:21,840
Speaker 2: I've got these bad moods living in my head, snapping

791
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:28,719
and biting, n putting me on edge. It's like a

792
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:35,480
hydra spitting with seven hairs, sneaking around and trying to spread.

793
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:40,199
Ben said, and this got a hold on me. What's

794
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:44,519
it gonna take to make you leave? My mind's tied

795
00:44:44,679 --> 00:44:48,679
up in a punking moods got me on edge?

796
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 4: Why do I do? I said, I'm mooding. I need

797
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:56,679
my things around me with dance. So night set up

798
00:44:57,159 --> 00:45:01,480
res feet singing a songs. I want to change my tongue.

799
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:04,920
Seven deadly moon's gonna turn to go.

800
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 3: Here comes those bad moods creeping back in.

801
00:45:14,679 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: It's lonely and quite, just sitting on my cow. No

802
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:23,320
one's around.

803
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:33,519
Speaker 2: They help me out, shameful, depressing and mercury thoughts, constricting

804
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:38,119
and squeeze and I'm hit it south anger and sadness,

805
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,679
So saiding, what's it.

806
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,239
Speaker 4: Gonna take to make you leave? My mind's side up

807
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,559
in a punker moods? It's coming on it?

808
00:45:49,519 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 7: Wow do I do?

809
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 2: I said, I'm moody, handing mppons around me with dance

810
00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:59,400
all night, said our world street singing our.

811
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 4: Songs, gonna change my tone. Seven deadly moves gonna.

812
00:46:04,159 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: Turn to go, I said, turning turn turning to go,

813
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,400
Seven deadly moves sitting in my head. H I S

814
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:36,719
S I N G love and light and camarader read

815
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,119
If I S S I G.

816
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 4: Take those moods and loosen their whole K I S

817
00:46:45,559 --> 00:46:50,760
S I G. Seven deadly moods gonna turn to go?

818
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:55,119
I said, turning, turning, turn it to go? That said

819
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:59,519
the mood, and I need muffins around me, would dance on.

820
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:05,320
I set up singing a songs, going to change my tone,

821
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,320
seven deadly moves, going to turn to go, I said,

822
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,000
turn it, turn to go.

823
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:23,039
Speaker 1: Wonderful. Mark Winter is live in studio. Mark, thank you

824
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,840
so much. This has been wonderful. Where are you gonna

825
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,599
be next? You know we're in Manchester, but we have

826
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,280
listeners online all over the place. Where's your next show? Yeah?

827
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,519
Speaker 2: I'm headed up to Maine to hang out with my

828
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:35,559
dad for a couple of days along the Marginal Way, okay,

829
00:47:35,880 --> 00:47:40,440
and then I'm headed into New Brunswick, so that's next

830
00:47:40,599 --> 00:47:43,119
on the list. And then I'm looping around from there

831
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,000
west and then back south towards Texas.

832
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 3: So come catch me.

833
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 2: On the Positive Vibe Highway, surfing along with me and

834
00:47:53,039 --> 00:47:53,519
my trailer.

835
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,559
Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, And where should people go online to keep

836
00:47:56,599 --> 00:47:58,199
up with everything that you're doing? Where's the best place

837
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:58,400
to go?

838
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Winter's music dot com is the place to

839
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:06,280
join the Positive Vibe tribe. Hop on that email list

840
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,480
and keep track of all the the places I'm visiting

841
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,920
and maybe catch a show live and pick up some

842
00:48:13,079 --> 00:48:14,599
positive energy in your life, you.

843
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:19,159
Speaker 1: Know, outstanding. So to close out this segment, we're gonna

844
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,480
play this track Strong. What should we know about this

845
00:48:21,639 --> 00:48:23,400
before we play it? Anything you want to tell us

846
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:23,679
about this?

847
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,159
Speaker 4: Yes, my h.

848
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,639
Speaker 2: So I'm I'm extremely competitive in athletics. So if we're

849
00:48:29,679 --> 00:48:32,239
out running a race together, Matt and I saw the

850
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,480
finish line and you're standing next to me running, I'm like, Matt,

851
00:48:35,559 --> 00:48:37,679
I'm about to beat you coming across that finish line.

852
00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:43,440
And so anything athletics, I'm like that guy, super competitive,

853
00:48:44,159 --> 00:48:46,480
but in other parts of my life not so much.

854
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,440
And so I wrote a song to remind myself and

855
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:56,800
my children both to be aware that finishing strong can

856
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:59,400
have a big impact in your life. And so the

857
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,880
song it's all about finishing the strong.

858
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:04,679
Speaker 1: Baby all right, very good. So we're gonna play this,

859
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,599
and if you are listening live on Saturday, sick Around

860
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:09,000
coming up in the second hour, we have the Gray

861
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:12,840
Curtain in studio, but we're gonna close out this hour

862
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:16,519
with this. This is Strong by Mark Winters and Mark

863
00:49:16,559 --> 00:49:17,119
thank you again.

864
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: Thanks Matt.

865
00:49:43,199 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: We'll baby like this twist stenter times when you're feeling down.

866
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:55,079
Speaker 4: And when you want to give her and throw it

867
00:49:55,239 --> 00:49:57,000
to the gownd.

868
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: Ab Baby, Lord only knows it's true. Gave up a

869
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,199
few times myself.

870
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: Help and didn't pull it through. Looking back is clearer.

871
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:19,679
Speaker 2: Now that a Pinto makes a great road sand for you.

872
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: Hold up your head now, baby, hold up your head now,

873
00:50:26,199 --> 00:50:30,480
eyes on the press? Did a concert finish line?

874
00:50:32,039 --> 00:50:32,519
Speaker 7: Strong?

875
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 6: Yeah?

876
00:50:48,639 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: And when I watch you grow trying hard to find

877
00:50:56,039 --> 00:51:01,760
your week bawling down looking around?

878
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:09,159
Speaker 4: What should I see? Looking back is clearing now? All

879
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,920
that appears to makes.

880
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:12,119
Speaker 7: A great road? Time?

881
00:51:18,639 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 8: Now on my brown, get across that finish line?

882
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 7: Strong?

883
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 4: What should I do? Be strong? What should I do?

884
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,519
Make it tough for nobodas?

885
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,119
Speaker 8: Now?

886
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 4: What should I do? Be strong? What should I do

887
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,519
say if you first give you easy? How should I

888
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:45,960
do be strong?

889
00:51:47,679 --> 00:51:48,480
Speaker 1: What should I do?

890
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:52,280
Speaker 4: Show the way? Cast a shadow? What should I do?

891
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,079
Be strong? What should I do?

892
00:51:57,199 --> 00:51:59,360
Speaker 7: Make you strong?

893
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:01,639
Speaker 1: Back?

894
00:52:01,679 --> 00:52:06,079
Speaker 2: It's clearer now that a pen who makes a great

895
00:52:06,280 --> 00:52:07,559
broad sam for you?

896
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:15,400
Speaker 4: The word now be of the ride?

897
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 8: They're a quoted Finnish lie, stry, what of your herd?

898
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:25,079
Speaker 5: Now?

899
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 4: Bead on the ride? You're a quoted Finnish lie.

900
00:52:35,039 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 5: Try