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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kelton Kramer from San Marcos, California, and

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I play at Twin Oaks Golf Course.

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Speaker 2: This is golf Smarter number nine hundred sixty eight. Shoulders

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are kind of all I say, pet peeve, but kind

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of a sticking point in some respects. If you look

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at the larger parts of the body, the bigger muscles,

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the bigger area, so talking shoulders, chess back, so on

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most of the upper body, they're bigger muscles, they're stronger muscles.

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They tend to often overpower what the arms and the

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club do in certain situations. A little bit of an

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issue when you like if you watch some golf on TV,

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it's often something referred to by commentators that a certain

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golfer has a huge shoulder turn. You hear this a lot,

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and there seems to be this attempt to tie shoulder

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turn to distance, and I don't know that it's really

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correct because you can see beginner golfers who just have

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the most enormous turn you've ever seen, to the point

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where they can't even see the ball in their backsweet

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because the head gets pulled out of the way. So

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they might have an enormous shoulder turn and they kin'd

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had a drive a more than one hundred hundred and

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fifty yards, So I don't think there's a direct correlation

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with how far someone turns their shoulders and how far

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the bull goes. So I think this is where the

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problem starts.

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Speaker 3: Laying the Lie a hard hitting look at the ridiculous

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theories ruining your golf game with instructor Gareth Winslow. This

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is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great

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golf minds to help you lower your score and raise

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your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to

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Golf Smarter podcast. Gareth.

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Speaker 2: Hi, Fred, how are you today?

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well. It's early in the morning for you

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in New Zealand.

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Speaker 2: It's just off to ten yep.

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Speaker 3: Oh, well, good morning.

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Speaker 2: What time is it for you, Fred?

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Speaker 3: It's for me it's three pm, probably a different day, Tuesday,

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on Tuesday, Tuesday on Wednesday, and you're on Wednesday. The

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game and that's what we're trying to do with our

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golf games, right, just get ahead of it. I've been

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reading your book called Playing the Lie, and I think

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that you had a mixed meaning, a double entendre on

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the word lie.

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Speaker 2: Here precisely.

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Speaker 4: Usually we think.

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Speaker 3: Of playing the lie as playing it as it is

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where the ball sits. But that's not your approach in

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this book, and I've really been entertained by it. This

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subtitle is a hard hitting look at the ridiculous theories

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ruining your golf game.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was a double ententra as you said, because

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from having coach golf for well being a professional golf

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almost trying to think how old I am now almost

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thirty years Yeah, wow, makes me feel old just seeing

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so many things that I've misconceptions, misunderstandings, myths, and a

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lot of just sort of garbage stuff. I felt that

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playing the Lie was quite a kind of a tongue

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in cheek way to title the book. But yeah, there's

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definitely a lot of stuff out there that I feel

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is it sends golfers down the wrong path. Something I

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noticed with a lot of golfers is, which is quite

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sad in a way, is that you see these golfers

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working hard on their games, but they're working on stuff

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that just makes them worse because they've been either given

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bad advice or things that they're following really just don't

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don't apply.

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Speaker 3: And they're getting advice mostly from the people they play with,

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who should not be giving instruction at all.

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Speaker 2: It's just one of those sports, isn't it, where everyone

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is an expert, well a little bit, yeah. And you

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see friends take take their other friends to the driving

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range and say, right, this is how you do it,

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and so on, and you know that they're well intentioned.

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But I feel like, unfortunately, a lot of these sort

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of cliches or old wives tales, if you will, that

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that people might have picked up when they were they

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were younger, Like I certainly picked up a lot of

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things which I mentioned in the book. They mean well,

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but they really don't get people sort of on the

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right track or working on the right things. And as

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I said, so many golfers I feel work hard on

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their games. You know, they had a lot of balls,

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they do a lot of practice, but the stuff they're

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working on really just doesn't doesn't correlate to them hitting

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better golf shots.

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Speaker 3: Right. I was the driving range warming up for around

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last week and there was a there that had one

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of the ugliest golf swings I've ever seen. I mean,

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it was from the grip on everything and then his

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swing was like, where are you going? With this, and

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of course somebody walked up to him and started giving

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him directions. Yeah, and it's like I was watching, I

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couldn't hear, but I'm thinking, dude, you just got to

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start with where he positions himself and his grip and

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his alignment. I mean, his body everything is wrong from

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the start, and you're trying to get him to hit

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the ball straight. He can't even get the ball off

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the ground. What are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Well? I think something though with golf, as you mentioned,

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the AFREID is working on setup, working on fundamentals as boring.

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It's time consuming. And this is probably where a lot

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of people struggle is that you know, you go to

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a range, you see people beating balls. You know it's

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like maybe every Saturday or something, I go and hit

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one hundred balls, two hundred balls, right, that's my practice

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done for the week. And so it's all about how

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many balls you can get through. So just hitting balls

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and then looking okay, that wasn't a bad shot or

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how far did it go or did that feel okay?

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the problem is if you know, you look at professional

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golfers hitting balls and you see, there's like a routine

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they go through every shot. You know, the grip, I

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get the grip right, set up alignment sticks on the ground.

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hit one one ball, whereas you know a lot of

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people they might get two or three balls in the

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air at once if they're lucky. So you have to

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you have to kind of embrace the boringness or the yeah,

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the not so exciting aspects of golf if you want

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to be better at it, which really is it's preparation.

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I mean, there's something I talk about with my students

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all the time is you could say seventy or eighty

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percent of what you need to do to hit good

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golf shots occurs before you start your swing.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But you know, a lot of a lot of golfers,

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for various reasons, don't have the patience, can't be bothered,

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they just want to hit. So I've found with students too,

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if somebody's personality tends to be kind of anxious, a

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little bit edgy, and they're just you know, really fast

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at everything, they do not very suitable suitable for golf

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because you all the all the preparation is is you know,

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you have to do it obviously before the shot, unlike

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other sports like tennis or soccer or something like that,

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where the ball is in motion and you just react

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to it the ball, you know, golf, obviously the balls

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are sitting there on the ground. You have to do

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all the preparation. You have to get everything ready. It's

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not just instinct. So it's yeah, it's definitely poses some

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different challenges to other sports.

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Speaker 3: U about it, and I think that a lot of

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people when they're at the range either warming up or

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luckily if they do get some practice in. You're right,

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use to assess how well that last shot went was

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feel at contact and ball flight.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they don't even know why the ball flight is

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what it is, but if it's generally straight, they're comfortable

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Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I think the same. It's it's feel what

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did it feel like? Way did the bull go? That's it.

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lot of us will know, is not very accurate. What

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we think is going on in our golf swing is

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often very different to what it actually looks like in reality,

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and I think an important thing for practicing is if

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your goal is to get better at something, then just

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watching where the ball goes doesn't really help you in

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any way because it's just like, Okay, that one went left,

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all right, next one, that one went right, Okay, that

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one I topped it, that one I hit it fat.

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set goal for what they're trying to achieve when they

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go to the range or whatever it is that they're

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working on. And it's difficult, I know, because we all

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want to we all want to hit good shots, we

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all want to see good shots. But I think really,

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when you're practicing, you've got to say, right, okay, this

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is just the outcome. I need to put that to

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one side and focus on I mean that's a little

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bit of a cliche as well, but focus on the process.

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for example, and then you're like, okay, let me hit

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another ball, what are you thinking about on the next shot.

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I hope I hit the ball better on the next one.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, hope we'll get you through eighteen holes.

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Speaker 2: At my day, it might get you to the bar

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at the end, and you know, a few beers might

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help as well.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, right, well, I mean I consider the tea

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box as the meeting place of uncertainty and the green

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as the meeting place of hope.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right.

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Speaker 3: It's like you just feel a little more confident when

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you get things like, well, I hope I make this,

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I hope I hit this one where I'm aiming. If

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in fact you're aiming.

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Speaker 2: I guess a bad put is less embarrassing than a

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completely def drive as well.

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Speaker 3: Right, And then of course the people who get to

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the driving range and the first thing they do is

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pull out their.

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Speaker 4: Driver without a wom up, without a war It's like.

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Speaker 3: What are you doing? And then you're judging yourself on

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this and they'll hit twenty thirty driver shots and it's like,

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Speaker 2: That's something that amazes me how many people I see

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turn up at the driving range without any warm up whatsoever.

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And as you said, driver straight away, first ball, full speed,

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and like you you know you're asking for an injury

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by doing that. And not only that, but as you said,

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you're not really using the driver you know, ten twelve

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times maybe in a round the golf, it's almost well

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it's not maybe not the least used club, but it's

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one of the lesser used clubs. But okay, it's more entertaining.

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can see where the ball goes on a screen, you

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can see how far it goes, you can see some data.

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It's just right, I'm going to hit an hour of

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drivers and see if i can beat my previous personal

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best of however far it was. But then, you know

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that kind of approach, your distance is probably going to

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get shorter and shorter as the time goes by, because

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you're going to get tired. You might be a bit long,

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you might be reasonably long at the start, but then

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as your body gets more tired, i mean after half

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an hour an hour, your distance is going to be

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going down. So yeah, probably not a very successful way

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to work on your game.

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Speaker 3: One of the beautiful things about driving ranges these days

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in New Zealand. I know what happens here in the States,

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but more and more ranges are getting these top tracer

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technology so that you can get a sense of your

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distance with each club, which is for most people, they

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should be aware of how far they hit each club.

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it's like, well, how far do you hit? You're five iron?

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that technology available to you is really helpful. But again,

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you shouldn't be starting You should really be focusing on

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your short game, and start with your short game, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And this is something I mentioned earlier in the

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book as well, is about the order of learning, which

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I approach the game with my students is that most

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golfers learn, in my opinion, anyway, learn the learn the

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game backwards. So the way I explain it is, and

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anything we learn, we will start with the most basic,

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simplest technique. If we're talking about a sport or any

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other activity. You know, you want to learn a language,

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you got start with the alphabet. So I look at

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golf and think, okay, if we were to put in

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order easiest to most difficult aspects of golf techniques, the

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most difficult technique is a full swing. So for the

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average Joe golfer, who perhaps either because it's the coach,

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starts with that, or they just go to the range

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with friends and it's like, right, here's a seven nine

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and see if you can hit it one hundred and

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something yards, they're starting with the most difficult technique. So

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to me, this is completely backwards. And I know there's

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other coaches out there who probably share the same same idea.

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And I've read that Tiger has when he started playing,

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his dad also started him off with putting and chipping.

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year old, so he probably couldn't do much else at

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that stage. But it makes complete sense to me anyway,

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and it's I feel like it's the most logical thing

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to do, is if or learning golf, you start with

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putting because it's the most simple, fundamental basic technique and

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if you can learn a reasonably good putting stroke and

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then move on to chipping and then pitching and then

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lastly full swing. And I've done this with lots and

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lots of students, is that by the time you get

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to working on a full swing, they're almost there already.

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and it's right, all right, let's just make a little

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bit bigger backswing, and it's all there because they've been

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building on this step by step from the first lesson

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where they did putting. The other thing I find two

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in terms of like a sense of achievement, is if

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you start somebody off with a three foot part and

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they can knock it in the hole, it's like, oh, well, cool,

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I did something, did something good. Instead of here's your

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seven nine and I want you to hit one hundred

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and fifty yards and they hit it ten yards, you're

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kind of turning people off to turning people off golf

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a little bit from the start because they just look

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at it and think, my gosh, this game is difficult.

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Whereas a part and then a chip, you know, hit

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a ten yard shot, fifteen yard shot, chip it up

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near the whole straight away. It's like, oh, you know,

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I can actually do reasonably well at this game. And

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it's always step by step building their technique up to

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a full swing instead of, as I said, starting with

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the full swing. And the coach's like, a friend, that

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could be right. This is how your swing, grip set up,

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swing back, swing down, hit the ball. There's a there's

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a million things going on in a full swing that

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you're you're asking somebody to to kind of master, all

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within the space of a couple of minutes. So, yeah,

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you're mad. You're making the game very tough for people

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starting with the full swing. I think. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So you have a young daughter, for anybody who's seen

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the video of us conversation with at that note, had

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a birthday recently, and she's also damaged your face a

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bit little sorry back there, you've gotten interested in golf

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at all.

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Speaker 2: She's she's had a few goes. Yeah, driving range.

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Speaker 3: How did you start with her? Did you start with putting?

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Speaker 2: Ye at home when she was probably three, got a

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little putter plastic, got some plastic golf clubs for her,

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which she mostly just hit me in the head with. Actually,

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other that she did two things with the plastic golf clubs,

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none of them were golf related. One was to hit

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me in the head and the other one was to

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chew on them, so they became her chew toys. So

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I thought, okay, so we might have to wait until

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she's a little bit older. So it wasn't super successful

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the first try. It was just me getting smacked in

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the head and then chewing on the plastic golf clubs,

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which she enjoyed.

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Speaker 3: So which part.

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Speaker 2: The chewing in the and the smacking daddy in the head.

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So that was her first taste of golf. But yeah,

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she's still she loves drawing, absolutely loves drawing, so not

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drawing the golf ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was thinking, it's like I would love to

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be drawing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if she wants to have another guy, I'm not

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going to push her into it. If she sees, can

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can we go and do a bit of golf again,

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it's coming into el Samma now Yeah, so yeah, might

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let her have another have another crack at it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. When my granddaughter was visiting, she was about four,

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she woke up in the morning, goes, Grandpa, can we

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go play golf?

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Speaker 2: Now?

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Speaker 3: It's like I'm gonna started crying. I have a pudding

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green in my backyard, and so that's what I do

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with them. You know, it's like let them drop the

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ball on the whole. And you know, it's interesting because

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early on, and with many conversations that I had with

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instructors about getting kids started with golf, everyone agrees it's like,

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if you can get them to fall in love with

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putting and they get good at putting, the rest of

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the game will be easy after that. And because you

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you know, when you ask someone how do you get

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good at golf and they say start when you're six,

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you know, where do you start? You start on the

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short game, and once you can get comfortable with that,

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it just grows with you.

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Speaker 2: I think too. The other advantage to starting with putting

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or with the short game obviously, I mean statistically around

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the golf is sixty something percent. I mean I've seen

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different numbers, but it's it's in the two thirds range

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of putting and short game. Just getting out of shots right.

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Speaker 3: Right in the scorecard, they give you half of your strokes,

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they give it to you on the putting.

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Speaker 2: Green, that's right. Yeah, the regulation to putts. Yeah, so

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for those golfers who are one hundred percent of their

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practice times on the range, then yeah, you're missing out

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on quite a bit. So the chances are your scores

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are not going to drop any great deal just by

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baiting balls on the range.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So when you're giving instruction, you like to get

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people started. Let's start with the short game. Let's go

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with what twenty twenty five yard shots or just the

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shorter swing. I coach shorter club too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I coach at an indoor place, so accumulators. So

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generally with a lot of the kids when they arrive,

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it's like, okay, let's set a couple of parts. We'll

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have a quick look at your your putting technique. See

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what's going on. I can see whether the ball's going

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left or right, see what the cloud face is doing.

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Maybe five minutes, ten minutes, depends. It's a warm up

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as well to some extent, and then I can set

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the you know, set the set it to approach shots.

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I mean we meters here, but so ten meters. Let

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them start off with a small chip and then maybe

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go on to twenty, maybe go on to thirty forty,

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it depends. I mean, better players, more advanced players, we

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might not do a huge amount of that, but that's

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generally the way I approach it. Because if a student

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comes in and it's like what we were talking about,

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so the first shot is like a full swing and

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they've done no walm up, well I'll say, well, hold on,

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we need to at least do some kind of a

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warm up first. But also look at it in terms

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of you want to have an idea of where they're

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at with every aspect of their game and not just okay,

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how are you hitting it with your seven eight? And

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I feel like a lot of golfers maybe when they're

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receiving instruction, and maybe he could say this is the

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kind of traditional golf lesson approach. It's just full swing,

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full swing, full swing all the time. And so if

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I've got someone who comes in and says I want

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to hit it further with my driver, and that's their

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first lesson, there's probably a reasonably good chance that I'm

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going to say, well, I want to see your putt first,

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because you can there's so many I mean to me,

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I look at the goal swing. There's a lot of patents,

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there's a lot of things that if you see what

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somebody tends to do in their putting, and then there's

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some things going on and they're chipping and pitching, it's

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going to go right through the back. And if it's

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somebody who's never really had any short game instruction and

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they say I want to hit my I'm not hitting

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my driver very well, I would say, okay, yep, that's fine.

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I'm happy to have a look at your driver, but

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give me five minutes to have a look at what

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you do with your other shots. And then you realize

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that you know, eight out of ten chip shots a

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hit fat or something like that. It's like, well, okay,

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we can work on your driver, but your short game

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is probably not that great. And then you ask some

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questions about how much how much have you done with

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your short game in the past with lessons and so on?

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Is never done that just seven nights. So you see

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quite early on with with a lot of golfers that

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if they if there's somebody who's had golf lessons, they

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don't tend to have worked a lot on putting, short

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game and so on.

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Speaker 3: I'd love to discuss what you how you would instruct

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somebody about the warm up. Let's start with the warm up.

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When when you get a student who comes to you,

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and then we'll get to the set up position. Because

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you had a really outrageous comment about that in the

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book that I want to go into. But let's talk

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about what the warm up process is before you start

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taking swings. What do you advise it.

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Speaker 2: Depends? I mean, if you talking again, I think i'd

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look at what level of golf for they are, what

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are we likely to what are we likely to do

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in the lesson? If if we're talking also okay, if

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it's are we going on the golf course or are

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we are we indoors? What we're what we're going to

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do during during the space of the lesson. Ideally, which

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unfortunately don't see that often, is you know, if you're

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talking about what would a professional golfer do before they

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hit some balls on the range, it could be fifteen

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minutes thirty minutes of a quick run to warm your

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body up and going through various stretches and then starting

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off with some hit a few chips and a few

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pictures slowly work up. I mean, that might be sort

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of more along the lines of what they would do

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before they were playing. But then obviously there'd be that

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kind of a process before just hitting balls or something.

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But I feel like, you know, if you've got six

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minutes with somebody and they they are turning up like

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two minutes before the lesson starts, then you know that

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they're not going to have done any kind of a

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warm up. So this is why I think, excuse me,

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the bare minimum that I can do is say, right,

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take that driver out of your hands, put it back

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on your golf bag and grab your potterer or grab

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your sandwich, and let's let's do kind of a basic

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warm up where we go through some smaller shots and

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then build up to some bigger shots. I mean, it's

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not perfect, but it's better than just starting with a

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full swing where you've got more chance of straining something.

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Speaker 3: And I'm sure that you can just eyeball the person

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as they're walking up if you've not given them a

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lesson before, and get a sense of what their conditioning is,

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whether they you know, and do you ask them, do

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you stretch? Do you exercise? I mean, what is it

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that you do to keep your body in tune for golf?

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Is that relevant or is like, yeah, they're just drinking

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on the golf course and they just playing a charity tournament.

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They just want to be able to not embarrass themselves

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next week.

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Speaker 2: You know, I would say majority of my students are kids.

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I do coach adults, So yeah, I mean you do

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see some that come in and that's straight to like

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smashing the ball at full speed from ball one, And

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that's when I want to say, you know, just hold

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on a set, because I don't want them to get

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injured either. I think as a as a responsible coach,

480
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,839
you don't want to see your students pull a muscle

481
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,079
because they've just gone full out from ball number one.

482
00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:43,079
I feel with some people it's there's kind of a

483
00:26:43,079 --> 00:26:47,319
little bit of a learning curve there that they need

484
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,079
to think a little bit more about what a practice

485
00:26:53,079 --> 00:26:57,799
session might entail as opposed to just grab a seven

486
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:02,119
hit some balls. Then five minutes later it's driver because

487
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:05,759
it goes back to what are you what are you

488
00:27:05,799 --> 00:27:09,759
trying to achieve from this practice that you're doing, and

489
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,359
is there a better way to do it so that

490
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,160
you actually get some kind of a warm up before

491
00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,519
you start getting into full speed hitting drivers.

492
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 4: Yeah.

493
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 3: So one of the things in the book that really

494
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:28,200
intrigued me that you said that when someone that you've

495
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,480
not worked with, and they come up for a lesson,

496
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:36,720
you can even before they take their first swing. You

497
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,079
have this checklist. You said that you have thirty one

498
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,240
checkpoints just from the setup position alone.

499
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 2: That was for putting. Yeah. Wow, I'd have to say,

500
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:50,640
I don't have that physically in front of me. But

501
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,799
several years ago when I was like doing some training

502
00:27:54,839 --> 00:28:01,799
with other coaches, and the one thing I created a

503
00:28:02,039 --> 00:28:05,519
I mean, I created a checklist for everything but for putting,

504
00:28:05,559 --> 00:28:08,359
that the thirty one checkpoints was for putting. So that's

505
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,960
thirty one things in the setup that I look at.

506
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 3: Let's let's talk about that. What things are you eyeballing?

507
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:22,519
Speaker 2: It's top secret. Oh I don't know if I can

508
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,759
name all thirty one off the top of my head,

509
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:25,119
but you.

510
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 3: Don't have to. But I'm curious you're looking for I.

511
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: Get three or four. It's so, it's it's ball position,

512
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:38,440
it's width of starts, the foot angles, whether they're turned

513
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:47,599
out or whatever, positioning of the arms, grip shaft, lean,

514
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:55,160
spine angle, hit position. So, and then that's basically face

515
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,160
on and then down the line you've got all the alignment,

516
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,799
the amount a knee bend, the amount of spine forward,

517
00:29:01,759 --> 00:29:05,839
the angle of the neck, whether everything's lined up, the

518
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,000
amount of bend in the four in the in the elbow,

519
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,000
the angle of the forearm, the angle of the shaft,

520
00:29:12,079 --> 00:29:14,799
how the head of the putter is sitting on the ground,

521
00:29:15,079 --> 00:29:17,400
whether the balls lined up on the sweet spot or not.

522
00:29:18,759 --> 00:29:21,960
That I mentioned face angle, and that's probably at the

523
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,079
start of the list, but yeah, I mean there's that's

524
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,160
probably somewhere around it. Yeah, are there where the eyes

525
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,559
are relative to the ball distance from the ball, So

526
00:29:32,839 --> 00:29:36,000
I just, yeah, pretty much have a look at all

527
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:42,160
those things. Yeah, interesting before I'd even really look too

528
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,480
closely at what the putter does, because it's a chain reaction.

529
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,400
You're too close to the ball. Stroke looks different too

530
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,160
far away, looks different grip, ball position, alignment, everything. And

531
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,039
if there's you know, thirty one, it might even be

532
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:59,680
more than that, could throw a few more. But if

533
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,920
there's many little details in the setup position, then that

534
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
all adds up to what does the stroke look like.

535
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,519
So if someone's got a horrible looking setup for their

536
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,400
for their putter, even that the putter length, I don't

537
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,319
even talk about equipment, so that part of might not

538
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:19,319
suit them. Then you're not going to see a particularly

539
00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:22,920
good stroke if you're way off with the setup. And

540
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,880
I think the same thing applies with every shot and golf.

541
00:30:26,519 --> 00:30:31,319
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, it's yeah, yeah, I would love to get

542
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:36,119
deeper into the part about the ridiculous theories that are

543
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,359
ruining everyone's golf game that we hear more and more

544
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:43,400
and you go through you know, it's really interesting, is

545
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,559
you You talk about it in the book and you say,

546
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,119
but that's not really what I'm trying to say here,

547
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,640
because you know you're doing something. You may be doing that,

548
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:52,720
but that's not right.

549
00:30:54,599 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

550
00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 2: I try to. I try to make as many examples

551
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,799
as possible, you know, through some stories in there, because

552
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,720
if I think, if you can, and this I guess

553
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:06,680
is something I do with coaching too, is if people

554
00:31:06,799 --> 00:31:09,599
I mean, because golfer can be very very confusing for people,

555
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,319
I mean extremely And this is probably one of the

556
00:31:12,599 --> 00:31:16,319
keys behind me wanting to write this book is that

557
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:20,720
there's so much information. I mean, this is also because

558
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,400
of the Internet. There's there's just so much stuff out there,

559
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,839
and I don't think statistically people are actually getting better

560
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,079
at golf given that there's there's just too much information

561
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,000
out there, and you know, how do you filter it?

562
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,680
You go on a YouTube and look up golf tips

563
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,000
or maybe yeah, just golf golf tips something like that,

564
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,720
and you're talking millions and millions and millions of hats.

565
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,519
I think if you look it up in Google, it's

566
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:54,079
it's close to a billion. So yeah, just for golf

567
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,400
or golf tips. So where do you start. So it's

568
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,599
and this is like one of the key premises of

569
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:06,480
the book is that you actually want to try and

570
00:32:07,119 --> 00:32:10,880
delete or get rid of as much of this sort

571
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,960
of inaccurate information as possible and get back to sort

572
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:18,400
of the bare bones, basic things that will have some

573
00:32:19,279 --> 00:32:22,119
noticeable effect on how you hit the golf ball. And

574
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,359
this is why there's a part in the front of

575
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,559
the book where I'm kind of, you know, I guess

576
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,519
a little being a bit sarcastic, perhaps about joking about

577
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,039
these are the next ten things that I think you

578
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:35,240
should work on, Like, you know, how to how to

579
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:41,559
release your right eyebrow, and I don't know how longer

580
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:44,759
toenails will help you grab the ground. Things like that.

581
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:46,599
I can't remember them all because it was you know,

582
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,400
it's a bit of a Again, there's a tongue in cheek.

583
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:55,319
But some people just get into such irrelevant things that

584
00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:59,400
really have very little if any effect on how they

585
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,000
hit the ball, and they just go off on tangents

586
00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:04,240
and they, as I say right at the start, you know,

587
00:33:04,279 --> 00:33:09,440
people can work tirelessly on things that are just they're

588
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440
just not the right things. They don't have really any

589
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,079
effect on how they hit it. And so people put

590
00:33:15,119 --> 00:33:18,599
in the time, but they don't see any results.

591
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: So I want to get into your pet peeves of

592
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:29,359
golf instruction that we all get caught up and whether

593
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,640
it is on YouTube or on podcasts, and you know,

594
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:38,440
after doing this for so many years and talking to

595
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,960
so many people, my head explodes with the amount of

596
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,480
information and it's hard to weed it all out. But

597
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,839
you're saying that there's a lot of theories that are

598
00:33:46,839 --> 00:33:51,920
out there that are being you know, put out, whether

599
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,319
in lessons or on the internet, that are not necessarily

600
00:33:56,440 --> 00:34:00,799
there to help somebody's game. It maybe to set it

601
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,480
up to bring them back to the instructor again, right,

602
00:34:04,519 --> 00:34:06,799
who's got to keep his business going.

603
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I'm sure there's some element of that, but

604
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,039
I mean it's people. We're all in business, you know,

605
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,880
I'm in business. You're in business. We have to have

606
00:34:17,079 --> 00:34:20,480
some aspect of marketing to what we do.

607
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:23,679
Speaker 3: So just have to have some credibility.

608
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,119
Speaker 2: I guess. So what something I see, I don't know

609
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:31,119
if i'd say it's a pet peeve, but you know,

610
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,320
if I could be going through Instagram or Facebook and

611
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,199
you see some videos pop up, and what I find

612
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,519
it might not even be golf, but that people get

613
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,719
on these themes. So you see one video about something

614
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:46,000
and then the next day you see another person talking

615
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:48,920
about something much the same, and so there's kind of

616
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,519
this copycat thing that tends to go on. It's like, Okay,

617
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:56,159
what's the what's the most popular kind of concept or

618
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,400
swing fad that's that's around at the moment, And so

619
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,119
everyone gets on the bandwagon, and then you see one

620
00:35:03,159 --> 00:35:05,360
and two and three and so on, and then before

621
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,920
you know it, everybody is doing videos about you know,

622
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,199
let's say weight transfer or something like that, or shallowing

623
00:35:12,199 --> 00:35:16,440
the club or using the ground or a long time

624
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,639
ago it was X factor lag the club. And so

625
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,280
this is sort of what goes on. But I mean

626
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,960
I get this from a from kind of a coaching

627
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:32,719
perspective that you need to you need to have something

628
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:39,800
to attract potential customers or students. I guess so. You

629
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,000
it's like anything, you need to continuously update what you're doing.

630
00:35:43,039 --> 00:35:45,360
You know, if you buy a car two years later,

631
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,599
there's a new there's a new new model of the car,

632
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,639
it's okay, I need that. Or golf clubs right every

633
00:35:50,679 --> 00:35:53,239
couple it's generally every two years or so, there's a

634
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,000
new model of iron, there's a there's a new driver.

635
00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,679
You can't just have the same model for twenty thirty

636
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,440
years expect to keep selling it. So it makes sense

637
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,280
that you've got to keep sort of updating and have

638
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,880
new stuff come out. But if it's to the point

639
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,880
where it's it's stuff that in A phrase that I've

640
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:18,360
coined in my book is random fault spotting. And I

641
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:23,079
feel like this is quite an issue where whether it

642
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:24,559
might not be a coach, it could just be the

643
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:26,480
goal for themselves. You know that they get the phone,

644
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,079
they take a video and they have a look at

645
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:32,639
it and they think, oh, okay, my my my right

646
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:38,400
glute is not moving this way as I'm hitting the ball,

647
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,960
and it's just completely random. It's the it's just pulling

648
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
something out of thin air and saying, oh, that doesn't

649
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:47,880
look right, and then say I need to work on that.

650
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,719
And this is where I think a lot of people

651
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,320
get on the wrong track is there's there's not really

652
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:57,280
any sort of methodology or order in terms of how

653
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:00,400
they analyze their their goal swing or whether they can

654
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,519
analyze it or not. I mean, that's that's another question.

655
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,039
But there's so much stuff that I see in videos,

656
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,280
you know, people say work on this and that, and

657
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:11,880
it's just this is popular at the moment. Okay, let's

658
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,840
let's look at doing this stuff. But in reality, a

659
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,360
lot of the time is it's either very very inaccurate

660
00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:23,639
and the the the swing tip that that's being recommended

661
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,800
is not going to help the person at all, or

662
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:31,559
it's just I just feel like it's completely irrelevant. It's

663
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:36,719
like saying my left knee moved on one so I'm

664
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,159
going to use inches. Used moved one inch to the

665
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,440
to the right during my backswing, therefore I'm hitting big hooks.

666
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:45,400
It's just like, well, how can you tie those two

667
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:48,480
things together? It awesome.

668
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's parts in the book that that you

669
00:37:54,519 --> 00:37:56,639
dig deep into that I'm just going to throw these

670
00:37:56,679 --> 00:37:59,440
out and let you run on it, and let's start

671
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:05,840
with holding the golf club. What your eyes just bugged

672
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,360
out of your head when I said that. It's like,

673
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:11,079
what are the misconceptions of what are people doing wrong?

674
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,199
And they have no idea they're doing it and they've

675
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:16,320
probably been instructed or the instructor never even covered it.

676
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:24,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately. I mean I'm I like details. I kind

677
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:29,239
of analyze things down to the minutest degree. I guess.

678
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,440
So the grip is actually in the book is I

679
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:40,159
think the longest section. M h, there's there's. Yeah, there's

680
00:38:40,159 --> 00:38:42,760
more content on the grip than anything else, which I

681
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,440
guess gives you an idea of how much that's an

682
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,440
issue that I think is an issue. Yeah, I say,

683
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,320
I watch, you know, I watch a lot of golf

684
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,800
on TV still, and whenever I see somebody, you know,

685
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,440
doing well on the top, near the top of the

686
00:38:58,519 --> 00:39:01,639
leaderboard with a fairly average grip, I'm like, oh, come on, really,

687
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:03,519
could could you not do a little bit better job

688
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:08,760
than that? Yeah? I mean, well, I see a quote

689
00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:10,679
trying to think who it was and if it was,

690
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,440
and I think it was Ben Hagan, but somebody could

691
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:16,639
have been Harvey Pennett. Like, if you if you don't

692
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,679
learn a good grip, then you you're not planning to

693
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,239
learn a good golf swing. Something along those lines, which

694
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,000
I think is somewhat accurate, because if you've got a

695
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,480
fairly average grip, there's certain things in the gold swing.

696
00:39:29,559 --> 00:39:32,400
And again it's very much a chain reaction. Everything begins

697
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,519
with the setup, So a bad grip is in a

698
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:41,239
lot of cases going to lead to some fairly poor

699
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:45,559
positions in the gold swing. One of the one of

700
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,880
the big things I would say, just you know, because

701
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,360
obviously I could talk for grip about sorry, talk about

702
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:55,599
grip for a while, is one of the key differences

703
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,159
between let's say a good grip and a not so

704
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,840
good grip is where it's positioned in in the hand,

705
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:07,639
so in the fingers versus in the palm. And if there's,

706
00:40:07,679 --> 00:40:11,320
like say, one kind of quick thing I would try

707
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,679
and get people to look at with their own grips

708
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,320
is if they look at their thumb on the club,

709
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,079
is it sort of long and extended or is it

710
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:22,719
short and fairly close to the index finger. So if

711
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,920
the thumb is close and near the index finger, then

712
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,960
there's a pretty good chance that the club is more

713
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,039
in the fingers. So anytime you see a long extended thumb,

714
00:40:31,679 --> 00:40:33,880
the club is in the palm, and with a lot

715
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,639
of golfers, and you're going to if you're doing a

716
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,519
video analysis and I see a grip that's not too great,

717
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,119
there's a reasonably high chance that we're going to see

718
00:40:43,159 --> 00:40:47,679
some hinging issues because they correlate. You put your hand

719
00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,039
in a position on the club whereby you can't actually

720
00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:54,800
hinge properly, and so you're going to see some hinging problems.

721
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,039
But there is so many things. I mean, something else

722
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:05,639
I noticed it. You often see golfers gripping the club

723
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,639
extremely tight, and you can see all the tension and

724
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:12,800
the muscles and veins popping out. This is also again

725
00:41:13,079 --> 00:41:16,079
mentioned in the book that it's not so much that

726
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:20,880
they are intentionally trying to squeeze it tight. It's that

727
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,519
if you put the club in the palm of your

728
00:41:23,559 --> 00:41:27,159
hand where you have no strength whatever you put. Like,

729
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,159
you know, if you put an egg into the palm

730
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:30,920
of your hand and you try to you try to

731
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,920
break the egg, you can't because there's there's there's nothing

732
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,239
happening in there. You don't you can't create any any

733
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,000
any any pressure or any power. If you do it

734
00:41:40,039 --> 00:41:42,880
with your fingers, you've got a lot more a lot

735
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,519
more strength. So if you hold the club in your

736
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:49,719
fingers predominantly, you can secure the club without using a

737
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,960
lot of force because there's more strength there, Whereas if

738
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:54,679
you hold the club in your palms too much because

739
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,239
of the club, because you can't really create any any

740
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,239
force or pressure with your part arms. To feel like

741
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,000
the club is not going to slip out of your hands,

742
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,079
you have to squeeze it very tightly. So so many

743
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,360
set up and swing issues are results of Paul grips.

744
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: It's interesting because the next thing I had on my

745
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,239
list was to talk about the grip pressure, so you

746
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,719
already beat me to it. Let's talk about another myth

747
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,239
that you bring up there, and that would be left

748
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:22,840
arm straight.

749
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's another good right armbat.

750
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,320
Speaker 3: Elbow, you know those things that a lot of nuanced

751
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,440
elements of the golf swing that people just don't realize.

752
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 2: Yes, I think this is almost a kind of a

753
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:41,400
mental thing too with the left arm, because I think

754
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,800
in a good goal sing the left arm does stay

755
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:48,079
fairly straight. But the problem with this, and perhaps with

756
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:51,599
a lot of other things, is when you intentionally try

757
00:42:51,639 --> 00:42:56,320
and do something you Let's say the left arm for example,

758
00:42:57,079 --> 00:42:59,960
if your first thought is okay, I need to keep

759
00:43:00,039 --> 00:43:03,920
my left arms straight, then you're going to increase the tension.

760
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,000
You're probably trying to get your left arm as straight

761
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,440
as possible in the setup, so you're going to be

762
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:14,119
very very tense right throughout that arm. And what you

763
00:43:14,159 --> 00:43:18,079
see with a lot of golfers is start off in again.

764
00:43:18,119 --> 00:43:20,000
This could be a could be a grip problem, could

765
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,599
be other problems. Very very tight arms. They get towards

766
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:25,800
the top of the swing, they can't maintain that that tension,

767
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:29,559
that pressure any longer. Arms get a little bit tired bend.

768
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,079
So if you're someone who thinks, okay, I need to

769
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,920
keep my left arm straight, very tense in the setup,

770
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:38,519
left arm's got to be straight. I can't let it

771
00:43:38,559 --> 00:43:40,639
bend at all. Get to the end of the swing,

772
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:45,239
arms are tired. Muscles want to relax bends even more. So.

773
00:43:46,039 --> 00:43:48,800
This is sort of one of the issues of you've

774
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,280
got to be a little bit careful about what you

775
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,599
think about or the process you're you're you're using to

776
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,519
make an improvement, and you need to have a bit

777
00:43:57,599 --> 00:44:00,079
clearer picture of about and this is I guess if

778
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,199
there's one thing I I kind of preach on about

779
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,039
with my coaching and the way I look at things

780
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:11,679
as it's everything is causing effect. There is a reason

781
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,280
for everything. If you look at you if you can

782
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,719
see the big picture of how somebody's golf swing works,

783
00:44:17,199 --> 00:44:19,400
you can pretty much break it down and see everything

784
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,000
that goes on and why it's in there, because it's

785
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:26,320
all just, you know, I say, beginning with the setup.

786
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,480
The person sets up in this way, maybe the grip's

787
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:30,760
not so good or the setup's not quite right, and

788
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,880
this causes them to do things in their back swing,

789
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:35,480
which also causes things in the downswing, and that's this

790
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:37,480
is why they end up with this kind of kind

791
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:40,440
of an impact. Not always because some people just have

792
00:44:40,639 --> 00:44:43,719
habits in there for no particular reason, but a lot

793
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,360
of the time, if you can join the pieces together,

794
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,960
you can see fairly accurately why the entire swing works

795
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:52,519
the way it.

796
00:44:52,440 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 3: Does well, since we're talking about elements of the swing

797
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,599
that that are just not understood properly and that you

798
00:45:06,679 --> 00:45:09,119
point out in the book. And again, it's a really

799
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:11,360
fun book to read, and it's really eye opening on

800
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,320
so many parts. Let's talk about So we were talking

801
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:19,679
about the grip in the in the left arm straight uh,

802
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,559
and then what about the shoulders and arms competing in

803
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,639
the back swing you talk about there at the same time.

804
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,320
Is a good concept to follow.

805
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:36,039
Speaker 2: Yes, shoulders are kind of a that's that's a little

806
00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:38,559
bit of pet peeve, but kind of a sticking point

807
00:45:38,559 --> 00:45:45,320
in some respects. I have to say, you know, using

808
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,599
the term shoulder turn in a in my case in

809
00:45:49,639 --> 00:45:53,719
a gold swing, I would say I never never use

810
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,239
I don't think I often even refer to shoulders unless

811
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:00,960
it's saying, perhaps, okay, we need to get your shoulders

812
00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:08,199
square from an alignment perspective. It's something that I've noticed

813
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:15,159
through my experience coaching for quite some time is if

814
00:46:15,159 --> 00:46:18,400
you look at the larger parts of the body, the

815
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,679
bigger muscles, the bigger area, so talking shoulders, chest, back,

816
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,840
so on most of the upper body, they're bigger muscles,

817
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:33,840
they're stronger muscles. They tend to often overpower what the

818
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:39,639
arms and the club do in certain situations. I think also,

819
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,400
whether I'm still trying to get onto the shoulders point here,

820
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,280
I think there's a little bit of an issue when

821
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,440
you like when you watch if you watch some golf

822
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:56,079
on TV, and it's often something referred to by commentators

823
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,559
that a certain golfer has a huge shoulder turn. You

824
00:47:00,639 --> 00:47:03,679
hear this a lot, and there seems to be this

825
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:08,920
attempt to tie shoulder turn to distance, and I don't

826
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,480
think it's really I don't know that it's really correct

827
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:16,760
because you can see beginner golfers who just have the

828
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,519
most enormous turn you've ever seen, to the point where

829
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:21,880
they can't even see the ball in their back swing

830
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,400
because their head gets pulled out of the way. So

831
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,719
they might have an enormous shoulder turn and they can't

832
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,280
hit a driver more than one hundred hundred and fifty yards.

833
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:34,639
So I don't think there's a direct correlation with how

834
00:47:34,639 --> 00:47:37,320
far someone turns their shoulders and how far the bull goes.

835
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,559
So I think this is where the problem starts. So

836
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,760
you see lots and lots of golfers who sort of

837
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,800
pick up on this commentary about shoulder turn, shoulder turn,

838
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,039
shoulder turn, I need to turn my shoulders, so as

839
00:47:48,039 --> 00:47:51,440
soon as they start their swing, it's like, oh, get

840
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,760
that shoulder out. Problem is if that's your only focus,

841
00:47:56,159 --> 00:47:59,559
what happens to your arms and the golf club. If

842
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:02,000
it's just right, turn my shoulders, then the arms and

843
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:04,400
the club end up just going around the body like

844
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:09,760
a like a baseball swing. So I would say, I

845
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:14,840
don't know that I ever talk about turn your shoulders

846
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,880
or ever mentioned that that term, because it just for

847
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,360
most people just ruins what might otherwise be a reasonable

848
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:26,440
golf swing. So the amount I don't see that the

849
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,079
amount the shoulders turns as a whole in the in

850
00:48:30,119 --> 00:48:36,559
the back swing, for example, as being a direct producer

851
00:48:36,599 --> 00:48:40,760
of power or distance. And I don't look at the

852
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:48,760
shoulders turning as being the kind of initiator of of anything. Really.

853
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,880
I again take this back to short game. If you

854
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,800
get somebody putting or chipping and they can keep like

855
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:59,960
a triangle with their arms, then the shoulders will move

856
00:49:00,199 --> 00:49:03,400
because it's all one piece. So I prefer to take

857
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:06,159
the focus away from the shoulders because of their ability

858
00:49:06,199 --> 00:49:08,840
to overpower the rest of the gold swing. And if

859
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,840
you can go back again with putting and say right,

860
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:13,639
we've got a a y shape and we move that

861
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:16,320
backwards and force in the shoulders move. The only time

862
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,239
the shoulders don't move is when the triangle breaks down.

863
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,800
So if somebody's not turning very well, you look at this,

864
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,280
look at the structure of the arms that if the

865
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:29,079
triangle's not there, the shoulders don't move. But yeah, I'm

866
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:31,159
not a big fan of saying right, turn your shoulders

867
00:49:31,199 --> 00:49:37,159
because big shoulder turns. They might be noticeable with some

868
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:40,519
long hitters, but I don't think that they're the key

869
00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,599
reason for them hitting the ball a long way. And

870
00:49:42,679 --> 00:49:46,599
in a lot of cases with let's say beginner to

871
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:51,320
intermediate level golfers, this big focus on making a big

872
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,480
shoulder turn tends to just mess them up.

873
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 3: And the ultimate goal would be consistency. Everyone wants to

874
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,840
be consistent, whether it's their score or their swing or

875
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:06,679
making contact. And a very powerful line that you kind

876
00:50:06,679 --> 00:50:08,760
of just throw in there, but I found it to

877
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:14,000
be really important. Is simple is easy to repeat. Complicate,

878
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:19,719
Complicated is difficult, and therefore can be inconsistent.

879
00:50:20,559 --> 00:50:27,320
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, I make a difference because I spent quite

880
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,559
a bit. I've spent fifteen years in China, so I

881
00:50:30,679 --> 00:50:34,920
speak Mandarin. I also wrote a book some years ago

882
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:38,280
in Chinese which are published in China, so I make

883
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:40,519
a reference in the book to Chinese characters. So you've

884
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:44,599
got a very basic Chinese character, which is one which

885
00:50:44,639 --> 00:50:47,840
is a single horizontal stroke, and then you've got another

886
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:48,360
one which is.

887
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:49,280
Speaker 3: The same in Japanese.

888
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, there's quite a lot of similarities. Yeah, there's

889
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,760
a I think a noodle dish which is I can't

890
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,840
remember how many strokes it could be, might be fifty something.

891
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:03,960
So there's all kinds of roundabouts strokes all over the place.

892
00:51:04,159 --> 00:51:05,880
And so I look at those and think, Okay, that

893
00:51:06,039 --> 00:51:11,639
the single line, you could draw that fifty times and

894
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,039
it's not going to look very different, whereas the other one,

895
00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:16,519
which has lots and lots of strokes and very complicated

896
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:21,079
and circular pieces and things like that, each one is

897
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,880
going to look a little bit different because it's far

898
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:25,840
more complex. And so I try and relate that back

899
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,039
to the golf swing and think, the simpler it is that,

900
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:31,400
as you just mentioned, the simpler it is it easier,

901
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:35,079
the easier it is to repeat. And something else I try,

902
00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:40,079
and I think mentioned quite a lot with with students

903
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:45,480
when I'm talking about some basic concepts, is that if

904
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:50,039
you hear a golfing tip or somebody gives you some advice,

905
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:54,920
there's two things I would I would try and think

906
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:57,519
about when you get advice from somebody you or you're

907
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:02,199
watching a video or something. The first one is is

908
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,880
this something that you would see in other sports? Because

909
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,960
I think if you just if you're only ever looking

910
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,440
at golf and you think, okay, here's a new tip,

911
00:52:11,519 --> 00:52:13,559
let me try that, you need to take that a

912
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:19,000
step further and look at how does motion work in

913
00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:22,599
other situations. So, whether it's baseball or a tennis serve,

914
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:28,639
or throwing a javelin or a or a discuss, even

915
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,440
like boxing throwing a punch, you see lots and lots

916
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:35,360
of overlap. There's a lot of similarities. So if you're

917
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,000
looking at a golf tip and you think, well, hold on,

918
00:52:38,199 --> 00:52:40,800
is this what you see in other sports where there's

919
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:44,039
a similar movement going on, and you realize that no,

920
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,280
it's completely different, well, then that's to me, it's a

921
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,719
red flag. There's a pretty good chance it's probably not

922
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,880
going to help you because if it's just something that's hey,

923
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,360
try out this new golf tip, but you look at

924
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:58,159
sort of motion and how it works in other situations

925
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:00,960
and other other sports and see that that's not what

926
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,440
happens when somebody does this, or somebody does that then yeah,

927
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,679
there's a pretty good chance it's probably not very useful

928
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:11,719
to you. The other thing I like to do is

929
00:53:13,039 --> 00:53:16,679
compare the let's say it's a full swing tip. Compare

930
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:21,440
it with putting, because most people, I think agree putting

931
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:25,920
tends to be a bit more universally just sorry universal

932
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:30,519
in terms of what's accepted. You know, there's not many

933
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:32,639
people who would say, okay, use your risks as much

934
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:36,840
as possible. When you put the majority of putting strokes,

935
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:40,800
you see there's very little, if any risk movement. We're

936
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:45,199
trying to keep triangle with the arms. The path that

937
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,159
the putter head moves on is somewhat straight, maybe it

938
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,960
arcs a little bit, but you don't see too many

939
00:53:53,199 --> 00:53:56,280
like really wild ideas in terms of a putting stroke.

940
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:59,000
Maybe with the grip you do maybe put a design.

941
00:53:59,079 --> 00:54:02,960
There's a lot of different putters these days out there.

942
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:07,320
The lab putters have become very popular now, which which

943
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:14,920
is quite a different design but amazing technology. But you

944
00:54:15,519 --> 00:54:19,599
see some you know, much smaller margins in terms of

945
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,679
what's accepted with with with a putting stroke that you know,

946
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:25,599
you don't use your wrists, you move the putterhead fairly straight,

947
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,800
back and through. So I look at that and think, okay,

948
00:54:28,920 --> 00:54:33,599
if again, if you've got some kind of tip for

949
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:35,920
your full swing where it's okay in the downswing you

950
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,519
have to shallow the club and you have to bow

951
00:54:37,559 --> 00:54:39,840
your efforts and you have to do this. I was

952
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,280
like I would, I would look at that and think, okay,

953
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,239
compare that with a putting stroke. Look how simple the

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putting stroke movement is. Why do you need all these

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complex movements in your full swing to deliver the club

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into the ball where your putting stroke is just this.

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So putting or even chipping, I would think, would you

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do the same thing with a pot or a chip?

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Would you do this kind of a swing plane and

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then shallow of the club and bow your wrist and

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do some other stuff and throw all this stuff in there,

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imagine trying to put that into your putting stroke and

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see how that would work.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 3: The book again is called Playing the Lie, A hard

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hitting look at the ridiculous theories Ruining your Golf Game,

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published in twenty twenty four by Gareth Winslow. Wi Slow, Gareth,

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it's really been a joy to speak to you, and

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I truly enjoyed the book. Thank you so much for

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coming on.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I really appreciate it. Thank you for your time.

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Speaker 3: So you may have heard Gareth mention that he worked

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with the Chinese national team for fifteen years. Towards the end,

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he just kind of dropped that in. What you haven't

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heard yet though, is that when we were talking earlier on,

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when we were talking about working with kids, we were

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interrupted by a knock on the door on what.

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Speaker 2: Level they're at, and then so is com with somebody

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knocking at my door.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so just be sick. Uh sorry, Fred, no worries.

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Speaker 2: Someone bring me some vegetables and you spoke to them

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in Chinese.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I'm impressed.

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Speaker 2: Uh sort of.

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Speaker 3: Remember where you were mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm, yes, yes, listens kids coming in.

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Speaker 3: I was just really impressed that he speaks fluent Chinese

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and that we actually got to hear in action. Yeah,

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I thought it was cool. Anyway. Later this week in

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Golf Smarter Mulligans is a really interesting conversation with Jacob Bowden,

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who's been on the show multiple times over the years,

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but this time he shared his experience of speed golf.

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Are you familiar with speed golf? Like when you run

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through the golf course. Well, this is an episode that

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we call shooting par in less than an hour.

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Speaker 4: Here's a taste with speed golf.

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Speaker 1: Since time is a factor, there's really no time to

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walk around the green and read the puff from all

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kinds of different angles.

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Speaker 4: You just got to get up and hit it.

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Speaker 1: It's amazing how often the instincts are correct. It's easy

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to overthink things. So the idea of just getting up,

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taking a quick instinctive look and then just putting it

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and then going on, it's really amazing how well you

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can put like that. You know, on the first day

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I had four or five birdies, so that's one of

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the benefits, I guess. And then since you have to

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run with your clubs, most guys play with four to

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seven clubs. I played with a driver, a twenty degree hybrid,

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a five iron, an eight iron, and a fifty two

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deree wodge and.

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Speaker 3: Then a putter.

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Speaker 1: Really that's all the clubs that you need to be

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able to play. It teaches you to play shots. There's

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very rarely a time and speak golf where you'll have

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a shot that's a perfect distance. And for that matter,

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you don't have time to like calculate the distance.

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Speaker 3: This episode was originally three hundred and fifty seven from

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November of twenty twelve, and there's a lot to learn

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from his experience, so you may want to check that

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one out, and hopefully you check them all out. Well,

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what if this week's Golf Smarter Ambassador Kelton Kramer from

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Fundamental video just for opening today's episode and now through

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