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Speaker 1: I want you to close your eyes for a second. Well,

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not if you're driving or operating heavy machinery off it's.

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, please keep your eyes on the road exactly.

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Speaker 1: But you know what I mean. I want you to

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just imagine waking up on what feels like a perfectly

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peaceful morning. But the moment you open your eyes, you

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realize you are uh, You're not in your current.

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Speaker 2: Bed, You're somewhere else entirely. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The first thing you notice is this tranquil, almost imperceptible

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hum vibrating through the air. You're resting on an anti

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gravity field, just softly floating a few inches above the sleek,

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seamless floor.

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Speaker 2: That sounds incredible, honestly, right.

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Speaker 1: And you stretch and you look out your expansive wall

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to wall window, and instead of your usual neighborhood or

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you know, your driveway or your local coffee shop, you

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see a bustling city scape, towering impossibly high, piercing straight

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through the cloud.

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Speaker 2: Layer, a true megacity exactly.

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Speaker 1: The sky itself is just thick, with flying vehicles darting

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to and fro in perfectly synchronized lanes, moving like metallic

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bees around an impossibly high tech hive.

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Speaker 2: It is quite the visual to start the day, and

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the morning routine in this hypothetical scenario only gets more

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extraordinary from there, because the fundamental mechanics of how you live,

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how you consume energy, and how you interact with the

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physical world have been completely rewritten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you step out of your room and your robotic

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butler is already there, greeting you with a warm smile

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and a cup of hot tea brewed perfectly to your

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exact molecular preferences.

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Speaker 2: Which is the dream really.

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Speaker 1: Hah Yeah, And as you take that first sip, an

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augmented reality display doesn't just turn on. It seamlessly shimmers

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into existence directly within your field of vision, interfacing directly

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with your optic nerve.

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Speaker 2: No screens required, none at all.

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Speaker 1: You're reading the morning news, but the headlines aren't about

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local elections or fluctuating interest rates or traffic jams on

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the interstate. The breaking news flashing across your vision is

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that humanity has just achieved a staggering new milestone.

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Speaker 2: Now what's the milestone?

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Speaker 1: We are now a civilization capable of harnessing the total

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energy output of not just one, but multiple stars across

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our local galactic neighborhood. You finish your tea, you step

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into a transport pod, and in a blur of pure

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harnessed light, you are whisked away to your.

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Speaker 2: Office, an office that is probably not on Earth.

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Speaker 1: Nope, your office just so happens to be a massive

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skick station orbiting a nearby gas giant.

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Speaker 2: Which completely redefines the concept of a morning commute.

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Speaker 1: It really does.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you aren't just crossing a city, you are

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crossing the gravitational boundaries of planetary bodies before your morning

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coffee is even fully kicked in, and your evening plans

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in this scenario are just as limitless, oh absolutely Hopping

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on a sleep faster than light vessel traveling a few

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short hours to a distant star system just to sample

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on Earth. It sounds like pure, unfiltered fantasy.

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Speaker 1: It sounds like the ultimate sci fi movie, the kind

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of world building you only see in big budget space operas.

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But welcome to the thrilling threads everyone. Today we are

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exploring the ultimate road map of technological evolution.

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Speaker 2: We are diving deep into the math and the physics

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of the future.

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Speaker 1: We are looking at an incredible body of theoretical physics,

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astronomical anomalies, and deep historical mysteries that forces us to

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question our ancient past, map out our cosmic future, and

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use the legendary Kardashev scale as our ultimate guide.

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Speaker 2: It's going to be quite the ride.

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Speaker 1: Our mission today is to take you on a journey

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from our current highly fragile human existence all the way

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to godlike immortal beings that command the very fabric of

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the multiverse.

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Speaker 2: And we should clarify right at the start for those

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of you listening who are highly familiar with astrophysics and cosmology,

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that while this sounds completely indistinguishable from science fiction, the

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foundations of this discussion are rooted in very serious theoretical frameworks.

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Speaker 1: Yes, this isn't just us making up cool sci fi

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concepts exactly.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about the hard limits of thermodynamics, the bizarre

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realities of quantum mechanics, and profile found philosophical questions about

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energy bottlenecks and technological progression.

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Speaker 1: I know you listening to this right now are probably

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incredibly curious about where humanity is actually heading. We all

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see the news about AI advancements and new rockets and

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fusion breakthroughs. We wonder what it all adds up to.

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Speaker 2: What is the end goal of all this progress?

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Speaker 1: Right? And I can promise you that by the end

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of this journey, your perspective on human history and what

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our cosmic future might actually look like will be permanently altered.

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I'm just marveling at the sheer, unfathomable scale of what

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we're about to unpack.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely forces us to stretch our comprehension to its

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absolute limits, because to understand where we might be going

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as a species, we first have to rigorously define exactly

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Speaker 1: And it's not where most people think we are.

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Speaker 2: No, it is not. To figure out our baseline, we

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have to travel back to nineteen sixty four, to the

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work of Sylviet astronomer Nikolai Kardashev.

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Speaker 1: The father of the scale itself. And I want to

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pause here because it's so easy to look at our

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mom in a world and feel incredibly advanced. We have

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supercomputers in our pockets, we're landing reusable rockets on drone

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ships in the middle of the ocean. We're editing the

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human genome. It feels like we are at the apex

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Speaker 2: We certainly suffer from a profound recency bias.

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Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.

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Speaker 2: We confuse our rapid progress in information technology with fundamental

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mastery over the physical universe. Kardashef realized that measuring a

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civilization's advancement by its culture, or its political systems, or

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even its information processing was fundamentally flawed because.

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Speaker 1: Those things change, right, They're subjective.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, They're subjective and often temporary. So we developed a

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classification system that grouped civilizations based on the most objective,

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unyielding metric in the universe, energy consumption.

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Speaker 1: Right, because energy is the ultimate currency. You can have

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all the brilliant ideas in the world, but if you

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don't have the jewels, the watts, the raw power to

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execute them, you remain grounded.

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Speaker 2: You're stuck.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Originally he proposed three levels of civilization. It's a

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scale that measures progress purely by the sheer volume of

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energy a species can capture, store, and utilize precisely.

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Speaker 2: And what's fascinating here is the underlying principle, the self

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reinforcing cycle of energy and technology. It's a fundamental law

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of societal progress.

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Speaker 1: Walk us through that cycle.

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Speaker 2: Well, as a society gains access to more robust and

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abundant energy sources, it can develop new, more complex, energy

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intensive technologies, think of particle accelerators or massive orbital foundries.

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Speaker 1: Like using fossil fuels to build solar panels to eventually

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Speaker 2: Exactly. It is a perpetual, accelerating feedback loop of advancement.

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Speaker 1: But here's where we get an incredibly humbling reality check.

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We just painted this beautiful utopian picture of anti gravity

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beds and intercellar tee times. But according to the Kardashov

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scale humanity right now, with all of our artificial intelligence,

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our mars rovers, our nuclear submarines, we don't even rank

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as a Type one civilization.

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Speaker 2: Not even close. We are a Type zero, a type

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zero civilization. It is a highly sobering classification. What it

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fundamentally means is that we have not yet achieved the

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ability to harness all the energy available on our own planet,

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nor have we established a truly sustainable global energy infrastructure.

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Speaker 1: We're basically scavenging.

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Speaker 2: That's one way to put it we are essentially living

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off the Earth's savings account rather than it's income.

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Speaker 1: Let's actually dig into the math of that, because it's

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not just a subjective insult to call us a type zero.

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Carl Sagan actually took Kardashchev's formula and interpolated it to

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give us a specific decimal score.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to see exactly where we sat on that spectrum.

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where our average global power consumption was roughly eighteen point

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four terawatts, humans currently sit at a score of zero

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Speaker 2: And that zero point seventy three is heavily reliant on

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burning fossilized organic matter.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, we are extracting stored solar energy that took millions

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of years to accumulate in the form of oil, coal,

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and natural gas, and we are expending it in a

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Speaker 1: I've always thought about our current state like a toddler

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learning to walk. Right now, our global energy grid, our

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heavy reliance on dead dinosaurs to power our incredibly advanced

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quantum computers. It's a massive contradiction.

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Speaker 2: It is a juxtaposition of the primitive and the advanced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a toddler stumbling around a living room

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knocking over lamps. We are barely crawling in the cosmic sense.

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We haven't even mastered the playground of our own planet,

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let alone the neighborhood of our solar system.

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We are still deeply vulnerable because our energy sources are finite,

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polluting and incredibly inefficiently.

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Speaker 1: Distributed, which causes all sorts of problems, most of.

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Speaker 2: Them geopolitical friction on our planet right now is almost

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Speaker 2: But there's a mathematical trajectory we can look at. The

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renowned American theoretical physicist mitchi Okaku calculated something quite intriguing

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regarding this transition phase right.

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Speaker 1: In his work on the Physics of the Future. Kaku

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lays out a timeline that is simultaneously thrilling and completely terrifying,

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because we are in what he calls the danger zone exactly.

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Speaker 2: Kaku calculated that if humanity manages to maintain an increase

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in our global power consumption by just three percent.

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Speaker 1: Each year, which is roughly what we've been doing historically.

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Speaker 2: Right, Yes, it aligns roughly with our historical growth. If

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to reach Type one civilization status in about one hundred

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Speaker 2: Is geologically instantaneous.

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Speaker 1: That means my great grandchildren could potentially be living in

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a Type one world. But on a human level, it

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feels agonizingly just out of reach. And more importantly, getting

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through these next two centuries seems like threading a microscopic needle.

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Speaker 2: Because the transition from Type zero to Type one is

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widely considered to be the most dangerous period in any

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civilization's history. Why is that this is the bottleneck? You

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have a species that has discovered the immense power of

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nuclear technology, genetic engineering, and artificial intelligence, but they still

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possess the tribalistic territorial instincts of their evolutionary past.

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Speaker 1: So we have the weapons of gods, but the emotional

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maturity of teenagers.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the risk of self annihilation, whether through nuclear conflict,

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engineered pandemics, or catastrophic climate degradation, is at its absolute

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peak right before a civilization achieves planetary mastery.

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Speaker 1: It's the alt time tests.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is heavily tied to the concept of the

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Great Filter, the idea that there is some evolutionary wall

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that most civilizations simply cannot climb over. They destroy themselves

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Speaker 1: So, assuming we don't trip over our own shoelaces and

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wipe ourselves out in the next century, what does that

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world actually look like? What happens when we graduate from

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Speaker 2: A Type one civilization is rigorously defined as a species

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that has mastered all the energy available to its home planet,

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Speaker 2: Of power every usable fraction of it. Yes, but it

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solar panels. A type one civilization extracts its energy, its information,

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and its raw materials from vastly superior, fully optimized methods

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like what we are talking about, widespread, perfectly safe nuclear fission,

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perfected and commercialized nuclear fusion, and fully integrated renewable resources.

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They aren't just surviving on their planet. They are the

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absolute masters of the planetary domain.

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Speaker 1: And this is where the theoretical capabilities start sounding indistinguishable

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from magic. We are talking about harnessing the kinetic and

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thermal power of volcanoes, manipulating the global weather systems, controlling earthquakes,

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building entire megalopolises floating on or submerged deep within the oceans.

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Speaker 2: The engineering scale is breathtaking.

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Speaker 1: Just imagine what a Tuesday would look like if the

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local government could just turn off a hurricane.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating here is the mechanics of that. It is

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a fascinating engineering problem. How do you stop a hurricane.

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have jokingly suggested.

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Speaker 1: Right, that would just make a radioactive hurricane.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, you manipulate the thermodynamics. A type one civilization could

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theoretically deploy orbital solar shades to coolest specific patch of

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the Atlantic Ocean, instantly cutting off the thermal engine that

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powers the.

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Speaker 1: Cyclones, starving it of its fuel.

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Speaker 2: Or they could seed the storm clouds with endothermic materials

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to sap its kinetic energy.

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Speaker 1: So, oh, there's a Category five storm brewing. No problem,

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We'll just dissipate the thermal energy and route the captured

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kinetic power to the Eastern Seaboard grid for a week, turning.

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Speaker 2: A natural disaster into a battery right.

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Speaker 1: Or imagine tapping directly into an active fault line, lubricating

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tectonic plates to prevent massive sudden ruptures, and bleeding off

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the seismic friction to generate limitless geothermal power.

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Speaker 2: It represents a complete subjugation of the natural world, the chaotic,

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destructive forces of nature that currently threaten our existence, like hurricanes, tsunamis,

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seismic faults, droughts. They cease to be natural disasters. They

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become managed utilities.

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Speaker 1: That is just wild to think about, whether as a

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public utility.

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Speaker 2: And because of this absolute mastery over planetary energy, the

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societal shifts required to maintain it are equally profound. A

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Type one civilization inevitably forms a highly integrated, unified planetary government.

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Speaker 1: No wait, hold on, let me push back on that

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a bit, because when you say unified planetary government, my

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mind instantly goes to a dystopian authoritarian regime. Do you

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really need a single world government or just a highly

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cooperative framework, because human history suggests that the bigger the empire,

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the harder it fractures.

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Speaker 2: That is a very valid critique based on our type

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zero history. But consider the scale of the technology involved.

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If you have the technology to manipulate tectonic plates and

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control global weather patterns, you cannot have fractured warring nation

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states possessing that.

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Speaker 1: Technology because it becomes a weapon.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, if Nation A decides they want more rain for

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their crops, they might inadvertently cause it devastating drought for

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Nation B. The administration of a Type one world's infrastructure

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requires absolute, real time global coordination.

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Speaker 1: So it's more about logistics and politics.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it might not look like a tradition. In the

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twentieth century, government could be a decentralized, highly advanced AI

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managed logistical framework, but the fragmented competitive geopolitical map we

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have today simply cannot survive the transition. The stakes the

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technology are too high.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. The autrastructure it self

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demands unity. You can't have two different engineers fighting over

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the steering wheel of the Earth's climate.

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Speaker 2: It would be catastrophic.

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Speaker 1: And this era also brings about routine interplanetary spaceflight. They

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aren't just limited to Earth. They have an established permanent

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presence on multiple planets and moons within their solar system.

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Speaker 2: Yes, they engage in regular interplanetary trade, research and resource extraction.

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Mining the asteroid belt becomes as routine as offshore drilling

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is today.

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Speaker 1: And on an individual level, the biology changes too. If

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you have this much energy to dedicate to computation and

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biological research, you see massive medical breakthroughs. We are talking

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about the complete elimination of genetic disease, the integration of

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nanotech into the bloodstream, and draft slowing down if not halting,

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the cellular aging process.

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Speaker 2: The species becomes technologically augmented.

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Speaker 1: However, and I know you want to bring this up.

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Despite all this incredible power, a type one civilization is

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still highly vulnerable to extinction.

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Speaker 2: That is a crucial caveat that often gets overlooked in

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the optimism of Type one.

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Speaker 1: They are not invincible, really, even with weather control, limitless fusion,

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and bases on Mars and Europa, what could possibly wipe

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them out?

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Speaker 2: The ultimate danger, the existential bottleneck for a Type one

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civilization is the Malthusian trap on a planetary scale.

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Speaker 1: Meaning overpopulation and resource drain.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the sheer depletion of their home planet's deep resources,

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and the problem of waste heat, because as they harness

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more and more energy, their appetite for it grows exponentially, right.

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Speaker 1: The Jevins paradox, the more efficiently we use a resource,

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the more of it we consume.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, if they do not manage that transition carefully, they

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run the very real risk of exhausting their planetary reserve

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or literally cooking their own biosphere with the waste heat

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of their own immense energy consumption.

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Speaker 1: The waste heat is something nobody thinks about.

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Speaker 2: It's thermodynamics. You use that much energy, heat is byproduct.

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They have to deal with it before they figure out

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how to capture energy directly from outside their immediate domain.

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Speaker 1: So they could basically eat themselves out of house and home,

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or boil their own oceans with their server farms before

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they unlock the next level. That is a terrifying thought.

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You finally unite the planet, cure all diseases, and then

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realize the planet itself can no longer sustain your energy appetite.

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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate test of foresight.

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Speaker 1: But if they survive that, if they manage their resources

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perfectly and look up at the blinding light of their

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local star, they make the leap to type two. And

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this is where we transition from planetary masters to literal

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stiller engineers.

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Speaker 2: Bridging the gap from type one to the type two

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is a monumental, almost incomprehensible leap in engineering and ambition,

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because mastering the energy of a single tiny rock orbiting

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a star is frankly mathematically insignificant compared to capturing the

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total unfettered energy output of the star itself.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about the type two civilization. They are defined

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by their ability to harness the entirety of a star's energy.

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We are jumping from ten to the sixteenth watts up

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to ten to the twenty sixth watts.

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Speaker 2: A ten billion fold increase.

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Speaker 1: And They achieve this using the crown jewel of theoretical astrophysics,

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the Dyson sphere.

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Speaker 2: Named after the brilliant theoretical physicist Freeman Dyson, who formally

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proposed the concept and in nineteen sixty pat Re published

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in the journal Science. A Dyson sphere is a hypothetical megastructure.

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To put it simply, imagine building a massive spherical shell

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completely enclosing a star, designed to capture every single photon

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of energy that star emits.

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Speaker 1: Now, I want to star right here, because whenever the

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Dyson sphere is depicted in sci fi, it's usually shown

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as a solid, hollow metal ball with a star in

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the middle. But astrophysically speaking, a solid shell is impossible, right.

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Speaker 2: Is structurally unviable?

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Speaker 1: Yes, the tensile strength required to build a solid sphere

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around a star would shatter under the star's immense gravity.

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The stress on the equator of that structure would tear

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it apart instantly.

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Speaker 2: You are absolutely correct. A rigid solid shell is dynamically unstable.

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If it drifted even a fraction of an inch off center,

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the gravitational pull of the star would drag it inward,

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resulting in a catastrophic collision. What Freeman Dyson originally envisioned

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and what a Type two civilization would actually build is

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a dice and swarm. A swarmp yes, millions, perhaps billions

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of independent orbiting solar collectors, habitats and statites.

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Speaker 1: Statites being satellites that stay stationary.

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Speaker 2: Correct satellites that use solar sales to hover in a

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static position against the star's gravity. They would orbit in

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a dense, highly coordinated formation, essentially creating a shell made

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of millions of moving parts, intercepting nearly all of the

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stars radiation.

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Speaker 1: But just try to visualize the sheer scale of raw

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materials needed to build billillions of solar collectors on a

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scale large enough to enclose a star like our Sun.

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You can't just mine the Earth for that.

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Speaker 2: The Earth wouldn't even provide a fraction of a percent

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of the required material.

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Speaker 1: You would literally have to dismantle entire planets. You'd have

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to crack open mercury Venus, maybe even strip mine a

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gas giant like Jupiter down to its rocky core, just

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to get enough raw material to build the swarm.

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Speaker 2: And that highlights the staggering logistical nightmare of becoming a

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Type two. How do you disassemble a planet?

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Speaker 1: I can't even fathom it.

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Speaker 2: You would likely need self replicating vondomen probes. You send

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a machine to Mercury. It uses the solar energy in

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local iron to build two copies of itself. Those two

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build four, and so on until an exponentially growing army

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of machines devours the planet and turns it into solar collectors.

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Speaker 1: But wait, hold on, If we dismantle Jupiter, we completely

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destabilize the orbital resonance of the entire Solar System. Jupiter's

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gravity protects Earth from asteroids, it balances the inner planets.

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How does a type two civilization prevent rogue at ds

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from just pummeling their home world while they are busy

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tearing the Solar System apart?

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Speaker 2: That is exactly why reaching type two requires a mastery

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of orbito mechanics that borders on the miraculous. You wouldn't

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just be dismantling a planet. You'd be artificially maintaining the

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gravitational balance of the system using active mass.

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Speaker 1: Manipulation, so they become the gravity.

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Speaker 2: You are essentially taking the steering wheel of the Solar

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System's gravity well, and the capabilities they get in return

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for that unimaginable effort. They are staggering.

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Speaker 1: With ten to the twenty six thoughts of power, the

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rules of physics become suggestions. They could create localized artificial

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gravity fields. They could manufacture microscopic black holes to use

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as hyper efficient energy drives. They could actively terraform and

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colonize entirely new star systems by focusing the star's energy

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into a massive system spanning laser.

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Speaker 2: Kardashev himself described this level of civilization as practically godlike.

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Speaker 1: With the total energy outpoint of a star at their disposal, manipulated,

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the orbits of planets and moons becomes entirely feasible. They

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could quite literally play billiards with celestial bodies, arranging their

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solar system to their exact preferences, moving planets into the

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habitable Goldilock zone, or stripping the atmospheres off inhospitable worlds

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to start fresh.

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Speaker 2: It is the ultimate landscaping project.

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Speaker 1: Now here's where it's really interesting. I want to pivot

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to something that takes this out of the realm of

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pure chalk board math and into observational astronomy. Because while

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this all sounds purely theoretical, there is a real world

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mystery that had astronomers completely baffled, and it directly ties

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to what we are talking about. Have you heard of Tabby's.

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Speaker 2: Star ki C eight four six two eight five two Yes,

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Boyogyen star. It caused an absolute uproar in the astronomical

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community a few years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, exactly discovered by the Kepler Space Telescope in twenty fifteen.

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Tabby Star is located about one four hundred and seventy

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light years away from Earth in constellations sickness. What made

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it instantly famous was its completely erratic, wildly unpredictable light curve.

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Speaker 2: The dimming events.

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Speaker 1: Right. We detect exoplanets by watching stars dim slightly as

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a planet crosses in front of them, But Tabby's star

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didn't just dim a little bit. It appeared to dim

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by up to twenty percent at highly irregular intervals.

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Speaker 2: And just to contextualize that twenty percent dimming for our

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listeners who track exoplanet data, when a massive gas giant

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like Jupiter crosses in front of our Sun, it only

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blocks about one percent of the Sun's light. So for

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a start at dim by twenty percent, whatever is passing

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in front of it must be unimaginably massive. It cannot

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be a spherical planet. It defies the standard models of

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planetary formation.

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Speaker 1: Which naturally sparked the most incredible fever pitch speculations. You

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had some conservative astronomers suggesting it could be a massive,

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chaotic swarm of disintegrating exo commets, But the comet theory

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had holes because you would need hundreds of thousands of

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giant comets all perfectly aligned to block that much light.

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Speaker 2: It was statistically highly improbable.

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Speaker 1: So others through throughout the wild thrilling idea what if

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we are looking at an alien megastructure? What if we

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are literally looking at a dice and swarm in the

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middle of being constructed by a type to civilization.

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Speaker 2: The hypothesis of an alien megastructure was indeed discussed seriously.

476
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It was published in major journals purely because the data

477
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was so profoundly anomalous. The irregular dips in light perfectly

478
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:24,680
matched what you might expect to see if massive asymmetrical

479
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artificial panels or vast orbital habitats were circling the star.

480
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Speaker 1: It was a very exciting time.

481
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Speaker 2: It was now Later observations, particularly looking at infrared data,

482
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have suggested that the dimming is more likely caused by massive,

483
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uneven clouds of microscopic dust rather than solid alien architecture.

484
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Speaker 1: Right because dust blocks different wavelengths of light differently, whereas

485
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a solid metal panel would block all light equally, and

486
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the data showed blue light dimming more than red light precisely.

487
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Speaker 2: However, the very fact that serious, peer reviewed scientists had

488
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to legitimately consider the dice sphere hypothesis shows just how

489
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grounded Kardashef's theory has become. In modern astrophysics. We are

490
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actively scanning the galaxy for the thermal signatures of type

491
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two civilizations.

492
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Speaker 1: It makes you look up at the night sky entirely differently.

493
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Every star could be a power plant. But even these

494
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godlikes stellar engineers face an existential threat. Right, you build

495
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,799
your dice and swarm, you're living like a king on

496
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the energy of the sun. But stars aren't interternal.

497
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Speaker 2: They are not the danger. For a Type two civilization

498
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evolves from the planetary level to the stellar level. Their

499
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primary existential threat is the eventual death, natural depletion, or

500
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violent fluctuation of their parent star.

501
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Speaker 1: Because stars die.

502
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Speaker 2: Stars have strict life spans dictated by their mass, they

503
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run out of hydrogen as they harness the power of

504
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an entire star. A type two society must constantly plan

505
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:47,839
for the deep future.

506
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Speaker 1: Because if your star starts expanding into a red giant,

507
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it's going to swallow your entire dice and swarm.

508
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,559
Speaker 2: Exactly, they must continuously search for new stars and new

509
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sources of energy before their current host star goes supernova,

510
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:05,240
sheds its outer layers, or collapses into a dense white dwarf.

511
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Speaker 1: So they basically have to pack up their civilization, load

512
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up their generationships, and move to a younger neighborhood. It's

513
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fascinating that, no matter how advanced you get, nature still

514
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,440
puts a dicking clock on your survival.

515
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 2: Entropy comes for everyone, unless, of.

516
00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:22,519
Speaker 1: Course, you graduate to the next Here, the point where

517
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you don't just harvest one star, but you begin harvesting

518
00:26:25,599 --> 00:26:29,359
the galaxy. Welcome to the realm of the Type three civilization,

519
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:31,119
the galactic overlords.

520
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Speaker 2: This is where we scale up exponentially, moving from a

521
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single solar system to an entire galactic structure. A Type

522
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,119
three civilization has reached a level of technological supremacy where

523
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,079
they are routinely dismantling entire solar systems to enclose every

524
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single star in a galaxy within a dice in.

525
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Speaker 1: Network, every single star. Let's really sit with that for

526
00:26:51,839 --> 00:26:54,279
a second. The Milky Way galaxy has something like one

527
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,960
hundred to four hundred billion stars. Imagine a civilization that

528
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systematically methodically builds megastructures around billions of stars.

529
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Speaker 2: The level of automation required is terrifying.

530
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Speaker 1: We are talking about energy consumption on the scale of

531
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ten to the thirty six watts, and to manage an

532
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:16,079
empire that vast. They possess faster than light or FTL.

533
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: Travel, which requires manipulating the geometry of space time itself.

534
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,359
To cross a galaxy that is one hundred thousand light

535
00:27:22,519 --> 00:27:26,799
years across, you cannot rely on conventional trust. You need

536
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:28,880
something akin to an ALQBR warp.

537
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,079
Speaker 1: Drive, contracting space in front of the vessel and expanding.

538
00:27:31,559 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 2: It behind exactly allowing them to cross the entire galaxy

539
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:38,400
in a matter of hours or days without violating local relativity.

540
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,160
They aren't moving through space faster than light space itself

541
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is moving around them.

542
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: They use propulsion technologies we can barely outline on chalkboards.

543
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:50,279
They control gravity, electromagnetic fields, and they can safely extract

544
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,200
energy from the most violent cataclysmic phenomena in the known universe.

545
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:58,039
I'm talking about harvesting the raw power of supernovae or

546
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:01,880
dropping mass into supermassivelas black holes to capture the resulting

547
00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:04,160
radiation using the Penrose process.

548
00:28:04,279 --> 00:28:07,079
Speaker 2: The Penrose process is a perfect example of type three engineering.

549
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Speaker 1: How does that work exactly?

550
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: You send a mass into the ergosphere of a rotating

551
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,920
black hole. The ergosphere is the region just outside the

552
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,279
event horizon where space time itself is being dragged along

553
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,279
by the black hole's rotation. You split the mass in

554
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,160
two years, allow one half to fall past the event horizon,

555
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:25,880
and the other half escapes.

556
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: But it escapes with more energy.

557
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: Yes, it escapes with more energy than it entered with,

558
00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:33,920
effectively stealing the angular momentum of the black hole itself.

559
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,559
It is the ultimate cosmic power plant.

560
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Speaker 1: I mean to a type three civilization, galaxies are just

561
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:43,799
simple homes. Entire planets are nothing but stones in their path.

562
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,799
You need a new highway. Just vaporize that rocky planet

563
00:28:47,839 --> 00:28:50,599
over there. The mass suggests it would take humanity roughly

564
00:28:50,599 --> 00:28:53,119
a million years to reach this level. If we don't

565
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:56,880
wipe ourselves out and if we can figure out FTL travel, this.

566
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Speaker 2: Raises an important question, one deeply tied to the famous

567
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:04,720
Fermi paradox. If a type three civilization can expand across

568
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,400
a galaxy, multiplying their dice and swarms, manipulating stars in

569
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,920
black holes, and if the universe is thirteen point eight

570
00:29:12,039 --> 00:29:15,000
billion years old, which is plenty of time from millions

571
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,279
of civilizations to have reached this point, why don't we

572
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:19,319
see any evidence of them? Where is everybody?

573
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: The great cosmic silence? It haunts every astronomer, and when

574
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,079
we look at this scale. There are two deeply profound

575
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,279
explanations for this. The first is the simplest, but honestly

576
00:29:28,279 --> 00:29:30,440
the most depressing. They just don't.

577
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,119
Speaker 2: Exist, the rare Earth hypothesis combined with the great filter.

578
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: Right, Maybe the filters of evolution, like surviving the nuclear

579
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,119
age of type zero, the resource depletion of type one,

580
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000
or the stellar death of type two are just too

581
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:45,559
mathematically brutal to overcome. Maybe we are truly alone in

582
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,440
the dark, or at least the very first in our

583
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,400
local galactic group to make it this far.

584
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:55,119
Speaker 2: The second explanation is equally profound and significantly more unsettling.

585
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,160
It posits that these advanced beings exist, but they have

586
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:03,279
developed so rapidly and possess technology so infinitely beyond our

587
00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:06,359
primitive comprehension that they seamlessly cover their.

588
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,319
Speaker 1: Tracks, or we just can't see the tracks right.

589
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,319
Speaker 2: They remain entirely undetected because we simply do not have

590
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:14,480
the sensory or technological apparatus to observe them.

591
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:17,079
Speaker 1: It's the ant farm analogy, but let's push it further.

592
00:30:17,359 --> 00:30:19,680
Imagine you have a colony of ants living next to

593
00:30:19,759 --> 00:30:22,440
a ten lane super highway. The ants don't know what

594
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,839
a toyota is. They don't understand internal combustion engines or

595
00:30:25,839 --> 00:30:29,559
supply chain logistics. They might feel the vibration of the road,

596
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,279
but they lack the cognitive framework to identify it as

597
00:30:32,319 --> 00:30:33,440
a product of engineering.

598
00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:34,359
Speaker 2: We are the ants.

599
00:30:34,599 --> 00:30:38,359
Speaker 1: We are completely unaware of the galactic engineering occurring just

600
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above our heads.

601
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Speaker 2: Or consider dark matter. We know that eighty five percent

602
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of the matter in the universe is invisible to us.

603
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,559
It doesn't interact with light, but we can see its

604
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,480
gravitational effects. What if dark matter isn't a natural particle,

605
00:30:51,759 --> 00:30:55,440
but the heavily engineered infrastructure of a type three civilization.

606
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:59,240
Oh man, we are looking right at their highway system,

607
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,680
but our primitive telescopes only register it as anomalist gravity.

608
00:31:03,759 --> 00:31:06,279
Speaker 1: Oh that idea hits hard, the idea that the universe

609
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,240
is already completely colonized and we are just sitting in

610
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:13,440
a designated nature preserve. But even for these galactic overlords,

611
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,599
the type three civilizations still has a boss level to bait.

612
00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,519
Their ultimate threat isn't a rival civilization, it's the physics

613
00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,799
of the universe itself, the slow marching decay of entropy,

614
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,039
the death of the galaxy, which.

615
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: Brings us to the very edge of Nikolai Kardashev's original vision.

616
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Kardashev deliberately stopped his scale at type three. As a

617
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,799
practical astronomer, he believed that the energy of an entire

618
00:31:35,799 --> 00:31:38,279
galaxy would be more than enough to satisfy the needs

619
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of any conceivable life form. To look beyond that was

620
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to him purely metaphysical speculation.

621
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Speaker 1: But human imagination and modern theoretical physics doesn't like to

622
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:52,240
stop at boundaries, So other theoretical physicists, cosmologists, and futurists

623
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:55,680
took Kardashchev's scale and expanded it far beyond Type three.

624
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,400
They pushed it into a realm that the human brain

625
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,799
is honestly not wired to easily comprehend. We were talking

626
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,839
about the theoretical extensions types four, five, and six.

627
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 2: Let us attempt to map out these theoretical extensions. Relying

628
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:13,359
heavily on modern cosmology, A Type four civilization scales up

629
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:17,039
from a single galaxy to the entire observable universe. They

630
00:32:17,079 --> 00:32:20,480
harness the energy of billions of galaxies, tapping into the

631
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:21,559
cosmic web itself.

632
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 1: They aren't just building structures, they are manipulating the fundamental

633
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:27,559
expansion of the universe. They could rearrange the cosmos like

634
00:32:27,599 --> 00:32:31,200
a child's construction set. They could create entirely new planetary

635
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:33,799
systems out of thin air, or just erase a galaxy

636
00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:35,839
from the universe if it was no longer needed, or

637
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,519
if it was in the way of a cosmic highway,

638
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,279
just hit the universal delete butt.

639
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,759
Speaker 2: To achieve this, a type for civilization would have to

640
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:47,200
discover and perfectly master completely new laws of physics that

641
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,680
are currently totally beyond human comprehension. They would need absolute

642
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,400
control over dark matter.

643
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: And dark energy, which is mind boggling. I mean, how

644
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,559
do you even engineer dark.

645
00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,279
Speaker 2: Energy, you would have to manipulate the vacuum energy of

646
00:33:00,359 --> 00:33:04,559
space itself. Dark energy is the force driving the accelerated

647
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,759
expansion of the universe. A type four civilization might be

648
00:33:07,839 --> 00:33:11,000
able to localize that force, using it to push galaxies

649
00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,039
together to prevent the universe from expanding into a cold,

650
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:17,759
dead void, or using it as an infinite, pervasive power source.

651
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,240
Speaker 1: And then, as if mastering the universe wasn't enough, there

652
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,119
is type five. This is where we step out of

653
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:24,920
our universe entirely and enter the multiverse. A type five

654
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,720
civilization harnesses the energy of infinite universes. They operate outside

655
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:30,039
the bounds of a single big bang.

656
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 2: The transition to type five reflects humanity's growing theoretical engagement

657
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,279
with string theory, brain cosmology, and the many world's interpretation

658
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:42,400
of quantum mechanics. It supposes a civilization that views the

659
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,680
physical boundaries of a single universe as merely a geographic border,

660
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,119
something to be easily crossed when the local resources run dry.

661
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: They control hidden dimensions. The extra spatial dimensions predicted by

662
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,359
string theory aren't mathematical quirks to them. They are travelings,

663
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,440
teleportation and traveling through time would just be routine everyday

664
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,000
occurrences for them, like take in the subway, you missed

665
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,400
your stop, Just foll through the eleventh dimension and pop

666
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:07,160
out yesterday.

667
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: Why would a civilization leave their universe the ultimate threat,

668
00:34:11,079 --> 00:34:14,079
the heat death or the big crunch? If our universe

669
00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:16,559
is destined to expand until all stars burn out and

670
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,800
entropy reaches maximum, a type five civilization simply opens a

671
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,559
wormhole to a younger, hotter universe and migrates their entire

672
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:25,920
cosmic infrastructure.

673
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Speaker 1: And if you thought that was wild, we reach type six.

674
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Type six exists entirely outside of space and time. They

675
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,719
are not bound by causality.

676
00:34:33,079 --> 00:34:36,159
Speaker 2: They are what theoretical physicists might refer to as bulk beings.

677
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If you imagine our universe as a two dimensional sheet

678
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,159
of paper, exist in the three dimensional room that the

679
00:34:42,159 --> 00:34:45,119
paper sits in, Time is not a flowing river to them,

680
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:47,199
it is just another physical dimension. They can walk back

681
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:47,960
and forth along.

682
00:34:48,159 --> 00:34:52,079
Speaker 1: They are capable of instantly creating and destroying universes at will.

683
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They can spark a big bang in a Petri dish

684
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,800
just to see what kind of physics emerge. At this stage,

685
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,679
they are indistinguishable from gods. It is completely mind bending

686
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,239
to imagine a civilization that might view our entire thirteen

687
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,119
point eight billion year old, infinitely complex universe as a

688
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:12,679
high school science fear project or an AA battery or

689
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,079
an ant farm sitting on some fifth dimensional desk.

690
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Speaker 2: Is the ultimate absolute abstraction of power. But there is

691
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,840
one final step proposed by the most ambitious futurists, the

692
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:27,079
ultimate endpoint of technological evolution, the terminus of the scale,

693
00:35:27,519 --> 00:35:30,559
the Type seven civilization, also commonly referred to as the

694
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Omega civilization.

695
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Speaker 1: The Omega civilization, the absolute pinnacle. I mean, what does

696
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,159
a civilization that has outgrown space, time and the multiverse

697
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,440
actually do with their days? What is the purpose of

698
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,519
existence when you are omnipotent? Well, according to the theoretical models,

699
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:50,280
they focus entirely inward. They have unlocked true immortality, not

700
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,679
just biological but informational, and they use highly advanced localized

701
00:35:54,679 --> 00:35:57,639
physics to retreat into what we call pocket dimensions.

702
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: The methodology described here involves a profound surgical manipulation of

703
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,800
general relativity and quantum field theory. They are theorized to

704
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:09,119
curve spacetime to such an extreme acute degree that they

705
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:11,920
pinch off a section of the universe, creating an isolated,

706
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:14,480
false vacuum or a completely distinct pocket of.

707
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: Reality, basically making their own private universe.

708
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: Exactly they can. They relocate objects, entire star systems, or

709
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,480
their digitized consciousnesses from the existing multiverse into this bespoke,

710
00:36:24,559 --> 00:36:25,599
impenetrable home.

711
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: And because they literally created this pocket dimension from scratch,

712
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they get to write the source code. The laws of

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physics can be custom altered to whatever they want. They

714
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want gravity to push instead of pull. Done, they want

715
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the speed of light to be infinite. Done. They can

716
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program every single atom, every quark of an individual in

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that dimension.

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Speaker 2: This is how they achieve infinite survival, effectively conquering the

719
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concept of endings. When the overarching multiverse they inhabit faces decay,

720
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they simply retreat into their closed loop pocket universe, completely

721
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insulated from the thermodynamic decay outside.

722
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Speaker 1: And when that pocket universe eventually starts fading away or

723
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running low on perfectly ordered energy, they just compress space

724
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time again and move into a new pocket universe inside

725
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the old one, Like infinite cosmic Russian nesting dolls, retreating

726
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deeper and deeper inward, they become beings of pure energy

727
00:37:17,039 --> 00:37:20,480
or pure data, masters of their own destiny, completely and

728
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utterly free from the constraints of space, time and entropy.

729
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Speaker 2: They continue to push the limits of what is possible,

730
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experiencing vibrant, mathematically perfect realities, exotic forms of interaction, and

731
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new intellectual challenges entirely of their own design. It is

732
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the absolute zenith of the energy technology feedback loop we

733
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discussed an hour ago.

734
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Speaker 1: So what does this all mean for us? We've traveled

735
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billions of years into a speculative, dizzying future, exploring dice

736
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and swarms Alqbierre drives, dark matter engineering and infinite nesting

737
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,280
pocket dimensions. But here's where we do something really fascinating.

738
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We pivot from the unfathomable future and we are forced

739
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to look back at the distant, muddy path right here

740
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on Earth.

741
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Speaker 2: Yes, we transition from theoretical cosmology to a highly controversial

742
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:10,519
yet enduringly popular hypothesis regarding anomalous archaeological sites and the

743
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true depth of ancient human history.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, and I want to be incredibly clear to you

745
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listening right now, we are reporting on alternative historical hypotheses

746
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that challenge the mainstream academic consensus. We are looking at

747
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,039
the anomalies that don't quite fit the neat linear narrative

748
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,280
of human progress, and we start by looking back at

749
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the Great Pyramid of Giza. We are looking at a

750
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mathematical logistical anomaly that scientists, structural engineers, and architects have

751
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debated fiercely for a very long time.

752
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Speaker 2: The conventional historical consensus, the one tiught in textbooks, is

753
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that the Great Pyramid of Giza was built around four thousand,

754
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five hundred years ago by a dedicated human workforce of

755
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roughly twenty to thirty thousand people over a period of

756
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about twenty years, utilizing rudimentary bronze age tools, copper tissels,

757
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wooden sleds, ropes, and earthen ramps.

758
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Speaker 1: But when you actually break down the hard mathematics of

759
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that logistical time timeline, it borders on the impossible. There

760
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are an estimated two point three million stone blocks in

761
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the Great Pyramid. Some of the granite beams in the

762
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King's chamber way up to eighty tons, and they were

763
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quarried from Aswan, which is over five hundred miles away. Now,

764
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if you divide two point three million blocks by twenty

765
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years working twenty four hours a day three hundred and

766
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sixty five days a year. That means a massive stone

767
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,239
block had to be perfectly quarried, transported, dragged up a ramp,

768
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and precisely set into place every five minutes, day and night,

769
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without pause for two decades with copper chisels and hemproups.

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Speaker 2: And it is not merely the speed of construction that

771
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presents a profound anomaly. It is the staggering precision. The

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base of the pyramid is leveled to within a fraction

773
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of an inch over an area of thirteen acres. The

774
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casing stones, which are mostly gone now, were fitted together

775
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so perfectly that you couldn't slide a piece of paper

776
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between them. Structural engineers have repeatedly pointed out that even

777
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with modern day technology, motorized cranes, diamond tipped saws, and

778
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laser guided precision, we would struggle immensely to recreate the

779
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pyramids on a smaller scale with the exact same structural

780
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integrity and alignment to true north.

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Speaker 1: And it isn't just the pyramids. The deeper you look

782
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into ancient history, the more these megalithic anomalies pop up.

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You look at the polygonal masonry of Machu Picchu in Peru,

784
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where are massive, irregularly shaped stones are fitted together with

785
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earthquake proof precision without any mortar. You look at the

786
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massive trilithons of Stonehenge, the colossal foundation stones at Balbeck

787
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,360
and Lebanon, which way up to one thousand tons each.

788
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You look at the Nasca lines in Peru, or the

789
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submerged structures off the coast of Japan.

790
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Speaker 2: These scattered, incredibly dense megalithic sites present a puzzle. From

791
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these anomalies, an alternative framework emerges, culminating in a highly thrilling,

792
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profoundly disruptive hypothesis known broadly as the Silurian hypothesis, popularized

793
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recently by astrophysicists Adam Frank and Gavin Schmidt. It asks

794
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a terrifyingly simple question, what if we aren't the first?

795
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What if an immensely advanced, industrialized civilis ation existed right

796
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,800
here on Earth millions of years ago.

797
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Speaker 1: What if fifty million years ago, a species native to

798
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Earth had already climbed the Kardashov scale. What if they

799
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reached type one, unifying the planet, mastering the weather, and

800
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,880
manipulating genetics. Maybe they even reached Type two, harnessing stellar energy,

801
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,239
terraforming local planets, and traveling at incredible speeds. But as

802
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,639
we discussed heavily with the Great Filter and the dangers

803
00:41:21,639 --> 00:41:25,320
facing Type one civilizations, this ancient race faced an apocalyptic

804
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existential crisis.

805
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Speaker 2: The Earth's geological record is violently punctuated by mass expincion events.

806
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If a deeply ancient civilization triggered a runaway greenhouse effect,

807
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or engaged in a devastating global conflict, or perhaps faced

808
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,039
a sudden shift in the Solar system's gravitational dynamics, they

809
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would be forced to make a terrible choice.

810
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Speaker 1: Faced with extinction, they left their dying world behind. They

811
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boarded their gen relationships, or opened a wormhole and fled

812
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into the stars, searching for a new home. And they

813
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,280
left behind only the most durable, massive monolithic stone structures,

814
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structures too heavy to be destroyed by glaciers or time,

815
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as silent testaments to their existence. The pyramids, the megaliths.

816
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They aren't tombs. They are the breadcrumbs of a Type

817
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,960
one or Type two civilization that evacuated the premises.

818
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Speaker 2: If we connect this to the bigger picture, if we

819
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entertain this hypothesis, it radically alters our philosophical framework. It

820
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:22,559
introduces a deeply cyclical view of history, challenging the comforting

821
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linear narrative that humanity has only ever progressed upward from

822
00:42:26,559 --> 00:42:30,840
the Stone Age to the Space Age in one uninterrupted line.

823
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It asks us to consider a reality where civilizations rise

824
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to staggering heights of technological supremacy, face insurmountable existential bottlenecks,

825
00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:43,880
and either perish entirely or transcend the physical planet, leaving

826
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the Earth to reset heel and birth a new intelligent

827
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,159
species millions of years later.

828
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Speaker 1: It's an incredible, haunting philosophical debate. Are we just the

829
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,719
latest iteration in the long tragic line of civilizations rising

830
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,400
and falling on this blue marble? Are we literally walking

831
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,639
in the footsteps of ancient beings who learned how to

832
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:02,960
build dice and swarms millions of years ago? Are we

833
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,239
just slowly painfully relearning their lost quantum physics from the

834
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,880
geometric clues buried in the ruins they left behind.

835
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Speaker 2: From a purely analytical standpoint, exploring these deep time mysteries,

836
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whether you view them as literal historical truth or merely

837
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as compelling philosophical allegories serves a vital grounding purpose. It

838
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,079
forces us to confront the extreme fragility of our own

839
00:43:24,119 --> 00:43:27,719
current civilization. It reminds us that technological progress is not

840
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a guaranteed, permanent straight line. It is fraught with immense danger,

841
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and regression is always a possibility.

842
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Speaker 1: We have covered so much of ground today. We started

843
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with our humble, incredibly fragile reality as a Type zero

844
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point seven to three civilization, stumbling around in the dark,

845
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barely managing our own planet's weather and fighting over finite resources.

846
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We dreamed about the unified planetary mastery of type one,

847
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the mind bending dice and swarms and black hole engineering

848
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,440
of type two, all the way up to the multiverse

849
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hopping immortal pocket dimensions of the type seven omega civilization.

850
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And finally, we question if those godlike beings out there

851
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in the dark were actually our intin ancestors. Leaving behind

852
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,559
the pyramids as a warning or a map is.

853
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Speaker 2: A staggering journey of the mind, and I think the

854
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final grounding thought we must take away from this exploration

855
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,880
is that the road ahead for humanity is incredibly long,

856
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,119
mathematically perilous, and highly uncertain. Every single level of civilization,

857
00:44:22,199 --> 00:44:26,840
no matter how advanced, faces its own unique, evolving exidential dangers,

858
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from planetary resource depletion and climate chaos in the near term,

859
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to the death of parent stars in the midterm to

860
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the relentless heat death of entire galaxies in the deep future.

861
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Speaker 1: We aren't guaranteed to make it to Type one. We

862
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are in the most dangerous bottleneck right now.

863
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Speaker 2: No, we are not guaranteed anything. Our only hope to

864
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ascend this scale, to survive our current Type zero growing pains,

865
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,559
and avoid becoming just another layer of fossilized, anomalous ruins

866
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,079
for the next intelligent species to puzzle over is a

867
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combination of radical courage, unyielding scientific determination, and a steadfast,

868
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unified commitment to the greater good of our higher species.

869
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Speaker 1: We have to grow up. And that leads me to

870
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,760
a completely new final thought that ties all of this together,

871
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,079
something that bridges the Type seven omega civilization and our

872
00:45:09,119 --> 00:45:12,920
current reality. What if we didn't just inherit the ruins

873
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,920
of a past civilization, What if we are currently living

874
00:45:16,039 --> 00:45:19,440
inside the pocket dimension of a Type seven civilization right now?

875
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,840
Ah the simulation hypothesis exactly if a Type seven civilization

876
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:28,039
can create bespoke universes with custom physics and program every

877
00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:31,360
single atom. What are the mathematical odds that we are

878
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,000
the original base reality? What if all of human history,

879
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,559
all of our struggles as a Type zero civilization, are

880
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,480
just a historical simulation running on a fifth dimensional hard

881
00:45:40,559 --> 00:45:43,159
drive created by beings who wanted to study their own

882
00:45:43,199 --> 00:45:45,679
ancient past. We might just be a digital.

883
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Speaker 2: Ant far It's mathematically plausible that simulating universes vastly outnumber

884
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the single base reality, meaning probabilistically, we're almost certainly inside

885
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:56,920
a simulation. It is the ultimate twist. Our future gods

886
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:58,719
might actually be our current architects.

887
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,599
Speaker 1: And that is exact exactly where I want to turn

888
00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:05,159
this over to you. We've laid out the entire map

889
00:46:05,199 --> 00:46:08,400
of the cosmos according to the Kardashev scale, we've debated

890
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,639
the engineering of dis and swarms, and we've looked at

891
00:46:10,679 --> 00:46:13,960
the ancient mysteries right in our own backyard. So where

892
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,679
do you stand on this? Do you think humanity has

893
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,840
what it takes to survive our Type zero bottleneck, manage

894
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,679
our resources, and one day build a dice and swarm?

895
00:46:23,119 --> 00:46:24,599
Or do you believe we are just living in a

896
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simulation designed by a Type seven civilization that already beat

897
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:28,239
the game.

898
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate question of whether our reality is

899
00:46:31,039 --> 00:46:34,840
an uncharted front tier and echo of a forgotten past,

900
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,400
or merely a complex line of code.

901
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,559
Speaker 1: Let us know, leave a comment and share your theory.

902
00:46:39,639 --> 00:46:42,719
We absolutely love reading your perspectives and debating these ideas

903
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,440
with you. Thank you so much for joining us on

904
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,800
this mind expanding journey today on Thrilling Threads. Stay curious,

905
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,000
keep questioning reality, and we will catch you on the

906
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:51,760
next exploration into the unknown.