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the time when we usually chat with Ap Dylan. She

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is a reporter at the North State Journal. You can

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read her work at nsjonline dot com, and you can

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the Story, Ap. How are you good?

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Speaker 2: How are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing all right. I mean you know, we had

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another stabbing on our train.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I saw.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, if only I don't know, somebody would have

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targeted criminal, illegal aliens or something and maybe been allowed

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to go around and and maybe round up some people

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without having to worry about being assaulted.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't this person in the country for a

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third time illegally correct at this point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't. Yeah, he had twice been removed, so

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he had gotten back in we don't know, sometime after

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twenty twenty one. He has a criminal rap sheet in

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North Carolina, but I don't know if all of the

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crimes occurred prior to his, you know, his re entry.

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So I'm not sure he like did he re enter

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the country after twenty one and then engage in more

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criminal activity but then not be deported again, Like, I

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don't know. The crinology and security.

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Speaker 2: Was a little bit vague about the crime. I mean,

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they listed some of the crimes that they didn't say

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A where they happened and b if it was in

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North Carolina. And I dug around in some of the

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filings and the court systems, and there's a bunch that

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match his name, but not exactly identically. That's one of

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the problems that I've had in reporting on these crimes

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is because, uh, the say, the sheriff will, we'll put

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it under you know, x Y dash Z you know

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is his last name, and then in the court systems

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it's just x y.

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Speaker 1: Z h A B.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy's got four names. This guy, Uh, this

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the the suspect and the stabbing. He's got four names.

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One of them is there, you know, two of the

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names are hyphenated together, and I've seen you know him

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it reported as just his last name. But then I've

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seen others that like track all three of the like

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the hyphenated two names plus the last name, so I don't. Yeah,

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it's it's difficult because those are cultural standards from you know, Honduras,

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where the guy is from, and so that's that's how

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they they name their kids with, you know, multiple names

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and such.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, it makes trying to track the person down though,

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very very difficult.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well let's uh, let me start with

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a story that I've I've been reading your reporting on, uh,

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these nihilistic violent extremism groups or vees, and the big

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one is this seven sixty four cult, and I had

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never heard of it before I started reading some of

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your reporting. You've been following this stuff for a long time.

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And then the other day I saw the FBI director

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Cash Pattel issues a bunch of stats on these kinds

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of enve saying there's been this massive increase in arrests

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with these nihilistic violent extremist groups like seven sixty four.

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So for people who don't know what is seven sixty

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four and what are these envees?

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Speaker 2: Okay, an mve is a nihilistic, violent extremist group, and

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that basically means that they want to tear down society,

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tear down families, they want to just burn it all

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to the ground. So they're intent on collapsing society is

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basically in a nutshell. And the seven sixty four cult

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targets young people, almost specifically, just young people under the

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age of twenty five usually, but they've had victims as

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young as the age of seven, and they get them

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online in places like roblocks, Minecraft, on Discord Fortnite, even

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simple chess games online. Chess games was in one of

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the affidavits that I read. So they use sextortion, blackmail,

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and other means to brainwashing coerce they're victims into committing

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acts like killing pets, trying to harm their family or

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relatives or their siblings, school shootings, suicide, et cetera. They

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also do this thing where they get them to commit

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to cutting themselves and what they call fan signing, where

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they cut the seven sixty four cult members name into

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their body as a show of.

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Speaker 1: Ownership, yes, and ownership. Yeah, so the use of the

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and South Carolina just passed a law on this sextortion

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stuff because one of the South Carolina state lawmakers had

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a kid who committed suicide because of this kind of.

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Speaker 2: Thing.

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Speaker 1: And what they do is they they they find the

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kids that are in these video game chats and stuff.

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and they they start talking to the kids. They get

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them alone in a group chat or in a single

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one on one chat, and then they start getting them

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to send pictures and then they blackmail them, and then

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they force them to escalate and you know, and they

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threaten exposure. I'm going to send this out to all

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of your friends. I'm going to show these pictures to

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you know, everybody in the group chat, and you know,

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they docks them and then they they docks the family

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in I.

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Speaker 2: Have and they've sent them to parents as well.

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Speaker 1: Right, And so yeah, so I was gonna so this

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is one. Seven sixty four is but one. There's this

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other one that's affiliated called Maniac Murder Cult MMC, and

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that's way it was sort of.

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Speaker 2: The basis for seven sixty square as an offshoot Maniac

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Britcal was around before that, and that's got more of

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a neo Nazi vibe to it. They they're more into

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violence and gore, and they were found to be loosely

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based or formed in the Russia Ukraine region.

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Speaker 1: You also write that a link exists between Arda k

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who went on a stabbing spree near a Moscin, Turkey,

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injuring five people, and also Natalie ruppnow the Abundant Life

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Christian school shooter, and also what linked to Solomon Henderson,

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the seventeen year old shooter at the Antioch High School

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in Nashville, Tennessee. So, yeah, this seems like, well is

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this a It seems like it's a growing problem.

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Speaker 2: It's a worldwide problem. These people are operating on a

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global scale. Seven sixty four has been more something that

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we've seen in the United States, But as we saw

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earlier this year, there was a seven sixty four cult

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member arrested here in North Carolina and one of his

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associates that was also arrested was located in Greece. So

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these people are communicating internationally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, and you want to if people want

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to read more about this trend in these stories, AP

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has been on it for quite a while. It's Ceter

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sub Stack called more to the story over at North

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State Journal online. You took a look at the North

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Carolina Democrat Attorney General Jeff Jackson AKAA baby Jesus, and

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he is I didn't know. That's not my name for him.

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That was what his fellow Democrats named him in the

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state legislature. That's what they called him, baby Jesus. So

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I mean not to his face, but behind his back.

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So maybe like the death cult thing, that could be

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something that our attorney general could look at, maybe spend

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some time, you know, doing that kind oflaw enforcement related

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work instead of what seventeen lawsuits now against Trump.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in this for some eleven months. I went through

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all of its press releases and all the filings, and

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he entered the state into at least seventeen different lawsuits

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involving the Trump administration. Most of them had mixed results

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and are still working through the court. I've got the

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full list with the press releases in the article at

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North State Journal, which is titled Jackson takes on Trump

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as ag He's aside from doing that, he's done the

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typical things that his predecessor did with you know, robook

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calls and scams and that typical kind of thing. He's

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also done some work on scammers that have drifted people

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out of home renovations and repairs. He's engaged in some

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of the medical issues, medical debt issues in the western

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part of state with hospitals. So I mean he's done

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some other things. But you know, without fail, almost every

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month there was at least one lawsuit, yeah, that he

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entered the state into ended up in tros being issued.

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Sometimes the suit became moot because the Trump administration within

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days had fixed the problem where you know, it usually

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had to do with funding. The funny had been released

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after a review and made the lawsuit moot. But it

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was it was more about just making an example.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and you've got the list there at the side.

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I mean you're talking about the grants for law enforcement agencies.

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I mean even the NPR funding stuff, the NGO funding stuff,

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the Education Department freezing the money while they're reviewing grants

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and stuff. So all this stuff didn't didn't the legislature

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they were trying to stop Jeff Jackson from from engaging

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in this kind of political law.

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Speaker 2: Fair No, Yeah, there was a bill that was filed

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and it's stalled out in mid March, it's still sitting

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in the House Rules Committee. It sought to prohibit him

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from suing or participating in a lawsuit against the Trump

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administration that would result in the invalidation of a presidential

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executive order or that could you know, upend any kind

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of state law enacted by the General Assembly.

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Speaker 1: Well, if it's sitting in rules, I'm thinking it's dead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, typically, yeah, that's both. So did I you know

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John Bell is the represent John Bell is the chair

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of that committee, and should he seek to revive that bill,

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that's his prerogative, but it may be something that ends

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up next session's agenda.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then of course Jackson would follow a lawsuit.

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So if they were to pass this thing, and I

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don't even know if you would be able to get

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the governor. Governor wouldn't sign it. I don't know if

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you'd be able to override the veto. So I suspect

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that's probably dead. But all right, AP, we're gonna leave

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it there. I appreciate your time as always, check out

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or word work at North State Journal nsjonline dot com

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and more to the story over on substack. Thanks AP,

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to get to this story. We ran out of time

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with her, but she's got this story. This is a

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bizarre story. I don't know what's happening with this guy,

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Norman Sanderson. He's a state senator from Pamlico County, Republican.

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So first he got arrested for a DUI the other day.

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Let's see in October, right, he got arrested on DWI

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charges in October. He's seventy four years old. This guy,

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Norman Sanderson, and now his legislative assistant, was just arrested

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for arson arson charges. And this isn't like, oh, I'm sorry,

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I kind of messed up with some open flameer something. No, no, no,

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this is like I'm trying to burn a house down

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kind of arson. Diane Elizabeth Cook, thirty eight, was arrested

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by Raleigh police on November twenty fourth, Happy Thanksgiving, and

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charged with first degree arson for allegedly attempting to set

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two adjacent town homes on fire. This occurred in the

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eighty three hundred block of book A Point in northeast Raleigh.

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Because she's a she's a legislative assistant for him for Sanderson.

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So while he's from Pamlico. The legislative assistants are in Raleigh.

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They work for the you know, for the lawmakers at

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the state capitol. So it's so according to surveillance footage,

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this occurred around six a m. On November twentieth, Okay,

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six am, where she allegedly took a care lit said

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candle and placed it against the siding of a town home. Right, so,

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she lights a candle and puts it right up against

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the house a townhome to try to catch it on fire,

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but it failed to catch fire. So then she takes

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the candle and moves it to the neighboring unit and

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then was able to start a fire at that unit,

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which spread to the back door filled the home with smoke.

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The couple named in the court documents as the owners

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or the residents of that townhome that was targeted, Misty

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and Thomas Patinelli. They escaped without serious injuries after they

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were woken up by the smoke. I'm assuming these smoke alarms,

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smoke detector, and they found you know, flames outside there

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on their exterior wall. They say that the estimated damage

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is about a thousand dollar. So now this woman is

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charged with first degree arson Class d felony in North

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Carolina and can carry a potential prison sentence of thirty

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eight to one hundred and sixty months. So like at

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least three years, why isn't she charged with murder or sorry,

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attempted murder. Shouldn't it be attempted murder. I'm going to

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go like I have that's all the information I have

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about this story, but I'm going to suggest I'm gonna

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spitball here just theorizing. I'm thinking HOA related issues, right,

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I'm thinking that they are neighbors in this townhome unit,

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and she's had problems with two with these two townhome neighbors. Otherwise, like,

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I don't understand why you're trying to light one on fire.

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When it doesn't catch, you go to another one and

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try to light that. So it's like you're you're either

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just wanting to burn anything down or you're targeting two

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individual homeowners. It's just bizarre. I don't know what's happening

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with the Sanderson office there up in Raleigh, but you

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got now the lawmaker and his assistant both facing various charges.

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Diane Cook thirty eight, Yeah, don't get it. Apparently she

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I think she did bond out one hundred and fifty

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So we're going to get a Supreme Court case on

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birthright citizenship. The Supreme Court on Friday agreed to take

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up the constitutionality of President Donald Trump's order on birthright Citizenship,

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which declared that children born to parents who are in

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the US illegally or temporarily, that those kids are not

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American citizens. Okay, So if somebody you know is pregnant

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a birthing person, I believe, as the Democrats call them,

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or as everybody else refers to them, women, a woman

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is you know, wanting to take a tour of America,

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wants to come on a tourist visa to take the

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tours to vacation, and she just so happens to be

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like nine months pregnant, and she just wants to travel

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to America to see the sights before the baby arrives.

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So that's why she waited until she's just about to

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give birth, and then she arrives in America and has

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the child like land, they land the plane, she gets

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off the plane and goes in and they induce the pregnancy,

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and then she's now she's got an American citizen child.

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Never happen, I know, I know that would never happen.

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People wouldn't just come here to have the babies. Actually

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they do. They people actually do that. And so this

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is going to now be argued. The justices are going

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to hear Trump's appeal of a lower court ruling which

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struck down the citizenship restrictions. Right, So he's been Trump

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has been losing through the lower courts, but they keep appealing,

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specifically to take this to the US Supreme Court. So

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none of his executive order has not taken effect anywhere

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in the country. Okay. The case is going to be

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argued in the spring, and a ruling is expected to

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be sometime in the summer. Birthright citizenship is the first

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Trump immigration related policy to reach the Supreme Court for

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a final ruling. The Associated Press report by Mark Sherman

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says that Trump's order could up or would upend more

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than one hundred and twenty five years of un standing

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that the Constitution's fourteenth Amendment confers citizenship on everybody born

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on American soil, with narrow exceptions for the children of

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foreign diplomats and those born to a foreign occupying force,

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which is always like, this is one of those questions

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that like, Okay, if I'm a foreign diplomat and I'm

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working in America, like i am, I'm the ambassador for Petistan,

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and I am here with my family. We're living in

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you know, Washington, d C. Where I act, as you know,

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a liaison, a spokesperson for all of the good people

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of Petistan. And then we have a child, and of

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course my child would be a citizen of Petastan. But

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also why not American if they're born in America. No, no, no,

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that's different because you're a foreign diplomat. And that was

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specifically like a car vout. Okay, so if I'm not

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a diplomat, then my kid is a citizen of America

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and not just Peedistan. That seems to be like, it

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seems to be kind of discriminatory to Pedestanians, Right, So

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every lower court that has looked at this issue has

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concluded that Trump's executive order violates or likely violates, the

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Fourteenth Amendment. The Fourteenth Amendment was intended to ensure that

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black people, including specifically former slaves, that they had citizenship.

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That was the point, to make sure that they had citizenship.

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Birthright citizenship automatically makes anybody born an American an American citizen,

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including children born to mothers that are here illegally. The

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case under review comes from New Hampshire. A federal judge

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in July blocked the citizenship order in a class lawsuit,

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including all children who would be affected. The ACLU is

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leading the legal team to represent the children and their

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parents who challenged Trump's order. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. He

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posted on Twitter that the Supreme Court has the chance

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to decide whether the Fourteenth Amendment that was enacted after

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the Civil War to overrule the dread Scott case, whether

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this Fourteenth Amendment requires the automatic granting of citizenship to

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the children of illegal aliens who are born on US soil.

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He says, the framers of that amendment intended no such thing,

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but it has been interpreted to be a blanket grant

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of birthright citizenship. For any child born on US soil

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to illegal alien parents. He said, correcting this would reduce

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the incentive to enter America illegally. And that's true. Now

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you can disagree with with the the interpretation of the

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fourteenth Amendment, but it would limit the incentive. If there

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were no Fourteenth Amendment, no birthright citizenship, then there would

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be much less of an incentive for parents to bring

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their kids here or have kids once they get here

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in order to connect them with American citizenship, which then

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unlocks all of the welfare programs. Right now, John Goose

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over at the John Locke Foundation john lock dot org.

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He's a senior Fellow for Legal Studies and he's got

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a jd with honors from Duke Law School. He practiced

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law in Durham for more than twenty years. And he

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took a look at the birthright citizenship debate, and there

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are so First off, to understand sort of the underlying component,

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you got to look at English common law, where citizenship

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was determined by where one was born. That's a principle

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called I'm not gonna well, I will try to pronounce it.

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I think it's Latin just solely, which means law of

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the soil, and that became the norm throughout the English

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speaking world, including the US. And this is what is

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birthright citizenship. You're born on the soil, that's what makes

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you American. You're a citizen. But under Roman law, citizenship

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was something that you inherited from your parents Jus sanguineous

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or law of the blood. That principle became the norm

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throughout continental Europe and eventually in much of the world.

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So these are the two things that sort of guide

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this understanding of birthright citizenship and why people are considered

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to be American when they're born here. So here's the

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fourteenth Amendment. Quote, all persons born or naturalized in the

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United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens

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of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.

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That's the fourteenth Amendment. And the question here is about

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that second part that says subject to the jurisdiction thereof.

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That is what is going to be hashed out that

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interpretation of what that line means. Under Trump's order, only

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people born in the US two US citizens and lawful

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permanent residence only they will be recognized as US citizens

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by birth. That's the difference. All right, if you're listening

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Locke Foundation, he's a senior Fellow for Legal Studies. Gave

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a guide to the birthright citizenship debate. Under Donald Trump's

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executive order, only people born in the US two US

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citizens or born to lawful permanent residents. Only those would

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be recognized as US citizens by birth. Okay. Now, originalists

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who oppose the executive order, who say it's unconstitutional, they

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generally emphasize the plain meaning of the citizenship clause. They

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will cite historical evidence that they argue that the subject

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to a country's jurisdiction, that that has always meant subject

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to that country's judicial authority or to their laws. That's

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what the phrase meant when the Fourteenth Amendment was ratified

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in eighteen sixty eight, and that's what it still means today. Okay.

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So that's the originalist argument against the order. In this view,

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the phrase was added to the citizenship clause to reflect

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the reality that some children born in the US were

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immune to America's judicial authority at the time, and it

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remains relevant because some of them still are. The children

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of foreign diplomats are one example. On the other hand,

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the children of illegal aliens, as well as children of

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temporary visitors have never been immune to our laws. There

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were no federal immigration laws in eighteen sixty eight, none,

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and no one was classified as an illegal alien or

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a temporary visitor. Nevertheless, he says, it seems safe to

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assume that if such classifications had existed at the time,

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children born to such persons would have been subject to

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American judicial authority. And today those children certainly are subject

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to American judicial authority. If they violate a US law,

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they can be detained, they could be arrested, they could

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be punished.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: So that's the originalist argument against Trump's order. Now there

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are other originalists who argue the opposite. They say Trump

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can do this. They argue that the plain meaning of

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the citizens of the citizenship clause may not be what

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the people who ratified the fourteenth Amendment had in mind.

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They will cite historical evidence, and they've come up with

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a number of alternative interpretations that would render Trump's order

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constitutional if they are accepted by the Supreme Court. The

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most interesting and imaginative of these ideas, these arguments, is that,

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in the context of the citizen ship clause, the line

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that says subject to the jurisdiction thereof the American jurisdiction,

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that it did not mean subject to American judicial authority. Instead,

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what it meant was entitled to the protection of the

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United States. Okay, that you are entitled to the protection

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of the US. And under this view. The phrase was

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added to the citizenship clause to reflect the long standing

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understanding that only children born in the US to parents

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who have formally or implicitly pledged allegiance to America only

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they are entitled to that protection. Illegal aliens and temporary

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visitors right, they have not made such a pledge, and

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so because they have not made the pledge, they cannot

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make the pledge. Therefore their children are not entitled to

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birthright citizenship. Man, I like I just wish they had

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written the fourteenth Amendment to be a little clearer. You know,

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this subject to the jurisdiction Thereofugh's created a lot of

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problems just the way they wrote it. Now, what does

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he think is going to happen? He says, My expectation

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is that when the case eventually reaches the Supreme Court,

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the court is going to find that it does violate

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the Fourteenth Amendment. And if that happens, those who want

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to restrict birthright citizenship will have no choice but to

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amend the US Constitution. And like, if that were to happen,

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I don't think that they would be able to. I

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don't think that we are in a place in America

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where any constitutional amendment is going to be is able

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to be passed. I just don't think that we're We

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don't get along enough for that to happen. But that

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would be the place to do it. Look, I've said

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this about the Second Amendment opponents, right the gun grabbers.

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If you guys want to repeal the Second Amendment because

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you don't like gun ownership in you know, among private citizens,

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then the way to address that is to repeal the

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Second Amendment. You should file a bill in the Congress

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and then go through the steps to ratify an amendment

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to change the Constitution. That's a very high bar, no

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doubt about it. But that's the process you're supposed to follow,

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and depending on what the Supreme Court determines here. And

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I've seen a lot of people write about this over

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the last year, and it seems like most of the

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people that I have been reading, they seem to think

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even if they even if they don't like the birthright

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citizenship the way it's operating right now. A lot of

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them seem to believe that they may not like it,

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but this is probably going to be struck down. Trump's

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order is probably going to get struck down as unconstitutional,

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in which case then you got to repeal it via

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the way that is spelled out in the constitution. Again,

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that's the consistent argument. If you don't like the law,

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then you change it via the process. All right, that'll

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do it for this episode. Thank you so much for listening.

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thank you so much for listening, and don't break anything

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while I'm gone.