Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right and Cole, thank you very much, Thursday night,
Speaker 2: getting closer to the weekend. My name is Dan Ray.
Speaker 2: Rob Brooks is back at the control room. He will
Speaker 2: set you up with telephone calls, but it's not until
Speaker 2: after nine o'clock. During the first hours tonight, we will
Speaker 2: have four interesting interviews with people who may be newsmakers,
Speaker 2: or they may be providing you with very important information
Speaker 2: in your own life. We'll get to all of that.
Speaker 2: Coming up tonight, we are going to talk with a
Speaker 2: business school professor from MIT, the Sloan School about the
Speaker 2: ten year anniversary of the Market Basket Civil War. It
Speaker 2: wasn't the Hatfields and the McCoy's, No was Demols versus Demoulis.
Speaker 2: And if all of you remember that, I think it'll
Speaker 2: be an interesting walk back tonight. Then later on tonight,
Speaker 2: we're gonna ask you the question of what would you
Speaker 2: like to ask Vice President Harris if you had an opportunity.
Speaker 2: She will be doing a little bit later on tonight,
Speaker 2: her first sit down interview since she won the Democratic
Speaker 2: presidential nomination, and there's a lot of questions that people
Speaker 2: have and let them know what your questions are and
Speaker 2: who knows what else would do if the evening goes on.
Speaker 2: But let us start off first with a piece of
Speaker 2: legislation which has just hit the books in Massachusetts, which
Speaker 2: will provide which will provide full disability benefits to first
Speaker 2: responders who are injured permanently injured in the line of
Speaker 2: duty with us. Is Mario olivera former police officer. I've
Speaker 2: actually interviewed him before. I hope he remembers me from
Speaker 2: that interview previously. But he was badly injured, badly injured
Speaker 2: in Somerville. He was a Somerville police officer, came close
Speaker 2: to dying twice, and he is now the head of
Speaker 2: an organization called the Violently Injured Police Officers Association. So
Speaker 2: let me let me welcome him back to w b Z. Hello, Mario,
Speaker 2: how are you tonight?
Speaker 3: Hi Dan, thanks for having me on your show.
Speaker 2: Well, you're more than welcome. Glad to have you on again.
Speaker 2: I hope you remember we've talked before and I covered
Speaker 2: the story actually of this. How are you doing. Hope
Speaker 2: you're doing well.
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, your group, it's a nonprofit group called Violently
Speaker 2: Injured Police Officers, and you folks, I guess, must be
Speaker 2: very happy that Massachusetts has adopted this piece of legislation.
Speaker 2: Is this the first piece of legislation to provide full
Speaker 2: disability benefits to first responders injured in the line of duty?
Speaker 4: Yes, it is.
Speaker 3: It's the first of it's kind in the state.
Speaker 2: First of it's kind in message House. But has has
Speaker 2: it been adopted? We are we late to the party
Speaker 2: or are we ahead of the curve? Is what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to find out.
Speaker 3: No, We're late to the party, unfortunately. So I've been
Speaker 3: successful in passing this legislation in Oklahoma, in Kentucky, and
Speaker 3: also in New Hampshire, and it's well on its way
Speaker 3: in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we're the fourth state if if I'm accounting properly,
Speaker 2: and the governor signed this law again an Act relative
Speaker 2: to Disability Pensions and Critical Incident Stress Management for violent crimes.
Speaker 2: So for an officer or an E. M. T H
Speaker 2: to qualify for this, it has to be a violent incident,
Speaker 2: and obviously the officer has to sadly suffer from some
Speaker 2: pretty serious injuries. Uh. And if that happens before this law.
Speaker 2: What benefits would an officer in that situation have received
Speaker 2: if they had to go out on some out of
Speaker 2: a permanent disability? What what was the what was the
Speaker 2: law prior to passage of this legislation.
Speaker 3: The previous law was seventy two percent and it quotes
Speaker 3: accidental disabilities. The issue I had is when an officer
Speaker 3: is shot or stabbed or run over by a fleeing
Speaker 3: a motor vehicle driven by a suspect, how is it
Speaker 3: an accident. It's not an accident, it's a purposeful act
Speaker 3: number one. So under those circumstances in the past, an
Speaker 3: injured officer or first responder would get seventy two percent,
Speaker 3: So it didn't.
Speaker 2: Matter the circumstance, It didn't matter the circumstances in which
Speaker 2: the injury was inflicted upon the officer.
Speaker 3: Correct, there was seventy two And then there's a cap
Speaker 3: on what they can earn.
Speaker 2: If if they're able to work.
Speaker 3: If they were ever able to correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, okay, So now what this does. It would
Speaker 2: give a one disability which would be reduced at their
Speaker 2: retirement age, but it would certainly provide them with more
Speaker 2: support from the time that they might be injured. In
Speaker 2: the violent act right well through their retirement, but right
Speaker 2: up until their retirement is going to make a huge difference.
Speaker 3: Indeed, indeed, so just so.
Speaker 2: That people know what we're talking about. You you were
Speaker 2: badly injured, you were shot and you almost died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was shot six times, actually died three times
Speaker 3: in the hostel that night, and by the grace of God,
Speaker 3: was saved by doctor David King, who's the head trauma
Speaker 3: surgeon on duty that night.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's amazing. Again, this goes back to twenty ten.
Speaker 2: So we're talking about fourteen years ago, and you were
Speaker 2: shot by, as I understand that, a guy who was
Speaker 2: a trafficker, and you was shot in the chest, stomach,
Speaker 2: and arm at point blank range a total of six times.
Speaker 2: And thank God that you would transport it to a
Speaker 2: great hospital, Mass General Hospital. And this doctor David King,
Speaker 2: who was a trauma services doctor who subsequently also helped
Speaker 2: save the lives of some of the victims of the
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen marathon bombing.
Speaker 4: It is just.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing story. How long had you been on
Speaker 2: the force before refresh my recollection? How long had you
Speaker 2: had you been on the summer of the police force
Speaker 2: before this horrific event.
Speaker 3: I was on the force for about twelve years at
Speaker 3: the time of the shooting event. After I was hurt,
Speaker 3: I pushed myself well. I had a three year old
Speaker 3: son at the time and found out that my wife
Speaker 3: was pregnant to day get out of the hospital, so
Speaker 3: I had another baby on the way I didn't even know,
Speaker 3: and I went back to work for a lasted about
Speaker 3: a year. Almost a year, I suffered a major heart
Speaker 3: attack and then a stroke, all injuries that were sustained
Speaker 3: or as a consequence of the actual shooting.
Speaker 2: Wow, so you went back to work. You were paid
Speaker 2: a full salary, and that was why you felt you
Speaker 2: had to go back to work to support your family.
Speaker 2: If this law had been in place, then you probably
Speaker 2: would have been able to have retired with a full
Speaker 2: disability pension and there would have been no reason for
Speaker 2: you to go to have gone back to work.
Speaker 3: You would have had absolutely correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you have personified why this piece of legislation
Speaker 2: is so important. I'm hoping that this was First of all,
Speaker 2: I have no idea why it took him so long
Speaker 2: to do this, but I'm hoping that it was passed
Speaker 2: unanimously in both the House and Senate. If it wasn't,
Speaker 2: you know, that's fine. But this, this to me, is
Speaker 2: something that should have been supported by all members of
Speaker 2: both the House and Senate and quickly signed.
Speaker 4: By the governor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy to say that it
Speaker 3: was passed unanimously in both the House and the Senate.
Speaker 3: So I thank all the law makers for you know,
Speaker 3: supporting the bill and doing the right thing.
Speaker 2: It just seems to me that a bill like this
Speaker 2: could be written, passed upon, engrossed, you know, final passage,
Speaker 2: and all of the hocus focus that goes on at
Speaker 2: the State House. It should have been passed twenty years
Speaker 2: ago or fifty years ago. And it's just too bad
Speaker 2: that they have to be police officers like yourself who
Speaker 2: suffer these horrific injuries, who in effect our living reasons
Speaker 2: why this piece of model legislation should have passed. Mario.
Speaker 2: I hope you and I hope your family are doing well,
Speaker 2: and I hope that your medical troubles and complications are
Speaker 2: in your rear view. Merrat, thanks for being with us tonight,
Speaker 2: and thanks for fighting not only for yourself, but for
Speaker 2: every police officer, every e MT. Every firefighter in the common.
Speaker 3: Off absolutely thank you for having me on the show
Speaker 3: and God bless you all.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much Mary Olivert, who is a remarkable individual,
Speaker 2: not unlike so many of the first responders in this state.
Speaker 2: When we get back, we will change topics as we do,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about the plight of New
Speaker 2: England Fishermen's with the CEO of the New England Fishermen's
Speaker 2: Stewardess Stewardship Association. There was a big demonstration when we
Speaker 2: talk with Jerry Lehman on the on the other side
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Speaker 1: Now bat to Dan Ray live from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.
Speaker 2: We are being joined by Jerry Lehman. He's the CEO
Speaker 2: of the New England Fishermen Stewardship Association. Jerry, welcome to Nightside.
Speaker 4: How are you, sir, good and thank you for having me.
Speaker 2: Dan, You're welcome, You're welcome. I have covered this story
Speaker 2: a little bit in many respects the plight of fishermen.
Speaker 2: It's it's much more than what we're going to talk
Speaker 2: about right now. You won that case, thank goodness, in
Speaker 2: front of the Supreme Court, so that you don't have
Speaker 2: to now pay the salaries of these federal bureaucrats who
Speaker 2: get a nice ride on your boat while you're out
Speaker 2: trying to work. And there are other issues. One that
Speaker 2: you took on last weekend. It was a fisherman flotilla
Speaker 2: which were protested out at the destroyed Vineyard wind turbine.
Speaker 2: I think all of us have seen the story about
Speaker 2: these turbines that end up malfunctioning and the blade gets
Speaker 2: in effect thrown off. This is extraordinarily dangerous to anyone
Speaker 2: who's in the water, particularly the fishermen who are out
Speaker 2: there day in and day out. Tell us about the
Speaker 2: protest and tell us why it's important to get the
Speaker 2: public behind you on this issue.
Speaker 4: Well, the public needs to know that these are very
Speaker 4: dangerous machines. Especially it's going to have direct impacts to
Speaker 4: the natural resources and the longevity of the food securities
Speaker 4: of this nation. Those blades that fell off or are
Speaker 4: pretty much invisible at night on the surface. So if
Speaker 4: commercial and recreational vessels are transit into the fishing grounds,
Speaker 4: since we're being displaced from the grounds that are besided,
Speaker 4: you know, if somebody hits that, it can cause some
Speaker 4: cause catastrophic failure to your vessel or or even put
Speaker 4: people's lives in jeopardy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. How far are these wind turbines off the coast? Again,
Speaker 2: I have done some stories on these in the past,
Speaker 2: and I know that there is big money involved in
Speaker 2: these companies and a lot of lobbying by these companies
Speaker 2: to get these wind turbines in the ocean. But they
Speaker 2: must be They must be billions of dollars of capital
Speaker 2: behind them. Tell us about if you know a little
Speaker 2: bit about Vineyard Wind, is that the only company out
Speaker 2: there that actually has turbines.
Speaker 4: Operational at the moment, they're all shut down due to
Speaker 4: Bessie sure Burea safety management shut them down after the
Speaker 4: blade failure. I mean the way the blade fell off.
Speaker 4: That was twenty nine miles off shore, and that's on
Speaker 4: the southern region of the site, and that's towards Nantucket.
Speaker 4: I mean, just anybody, The shortest distance anybody came for
Speaker 4: that flotilla was a forty two nautical mile round trip.
Speaker 4: So guys took it upon themselves to not only take
Speaker 4: a day off or spend the time to go out
Speaker 4: there in protest. People are not aware of the effects
Speaker 4: that these turbines could have on the environment, changing the
Speaker 4: ecosystem in the ocean, which changes our sustainability and our
Speaker 4: food structures for feeding the US populace.
Speaker 2: Now, these turbines are run by the wind, but I
Speaker 2: assume that they have a lot of well, amongst other things,
Speaker 2: oil to keep them functioning properly. When they are functioning
Speaker 2: properly correct.
Speaker 4: Oh, yes, these things have got thousands of gallons of
Speaker 4: oil and not to mention SF six gas, which is
Speaker 4: a highly toxic greenhouse gas, much worse than any carbon emission.
Speaker 2: Wow, let me tell you what sort of reception I
Speaker 2: minderstanding you had people on the shore who were there
Speaker 2: in support.
Speaker 4: Yes, we had hands across the beach on Martha's Vineyard
Speaker 4: and Nantucket, and we had about twenty five vessels around
Speaker 4: the southern region around the turbine, with another fifteen vessels
Speaker 4: on the north end of the site too that couldn't
Speaker 4: take the extra catnautical midl transit.
Speaker 2: How about how many turbines are out there at this point, Jerry. Again,
Speaker 2: these stories come and go and you read them, but
Speaker 2: you forget how many turbines do you have to navigate
Speaker 2: around off the coast of Massachusetts.
Speaker 4: There are sixty two turbines just going in the Vineyard
Speaker 4: wind site, and by the time they're all done with
Speaker 4: all the sites, you're going to be looking at m
Speaker 4: upwards to twelve hundred to fourteen hundred just in that region.
Speaker 4: And then we're pushing for eight golf of main lease sites,
Speaker 4: which would be an additional million acres lease to offshore wind,
Speaker 4: which could be an additional fourteen hundred turbines. It is
Speaker 4: a massive industrial scale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming that the wind turbine companies are saying, oh,
Speaker 2: this would be great because we can use natural wind
Speaker 2: to power electricity. The is it worth it you're putting
Speaker 2: aside the danger that the fishing industry and the ecological
Speaker 2: damage that can be done as well. Is there a
Speaker 2: payoff for electric customers, because that's what these companies keep
Speaker 2: telling us.
Speaker 4: No. I mean, just look at New York. If you
Speaker 4: want from thirty six dollars a megawatt hour, the new
Speaker 4: purchase agreement for fixed offshore win is one hundred and
Speaker 4: fifty five dollars. And we know from their own appendixes
Speaker 4: that floating offshore wind is double the price effexed. This
Speaker 4: is not going to lower the price for anybody. And
Speaker 4: if you look at their own appendixes, it also says
Speaker 4: this does little to nothing to stop climate change.
Speaker 2: And the thing that is most interesting to me here
Speaker 2: is that these wind turbines, I have no idea how
Speaker 2: long they have been actually physically either in operation or
Speaker 2: at least in the seabed. No one from shore sees them.
Speaker 2: The companies are very smart. They have they have kept
Speaker 2: the wind turned turbines uh beyond the horizon for most people,
Speaker 2: so out of sight, out of mind. And that's why
Speaker 2: I think your demonstration on Sunday did get some publicity,
Speaker 2: and that's what I think it was important. Would you agree?
Speaker 4: Oh, I definitely agree. People need to realize that these turbines,
Speaker 4: even though you might not see them from your shores,
Speaker 4: are going to have direct impacts to the American dinner table.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It which means means that a lot of the uh,
Speaker 2: the fruit of the sea if you will, that that
Speaker 2: you folks are harvest the fish and lobsters and everything else,
Speaker 2: are gonna are going to be in shorter supply. And
Speaker 2: they also when they are at supply, they're going to
Speaker 2: be much more costly than they are right now. So
Speaker 2: this is what's next for you know, are there any
Speaker 2: of the politicians who are listening to folks. I don't
Speaker 2: want to put anybody in the spot, but any of
Speaker 2: the politicians helping you here. I thought we had pretty
Speaker 2: progressive politicians on these sorts of issues and that they
Speaker 2: would be natural allies of working fisher people.
Speaker 4: Well, we think they would start to pay attention. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's going to have direct impacts to the environment that
Speaker 4: everybody claims to protect. I mean, just in their one
Speaker 4: appendix from the Sunrise Wind Project, the pooling station talks
Speaker 4: about discharging chlorinated heated water by the millions of gallons
Speaker 4: per day with one hundred percent mortality to zoup plankton
Speaker 4: and vital plankton, which are the building blocks of our ocean.
Speaker 4: So we could be destroying our sustainability.
Speaker 2: So who has anyone in our delegation, you know, any
Speaker 2: either of the Senators, any of the members of the
Speaker 2: House stepped up and are allies with you on this
Speaker 2: or no.
Speaker 4: Congressman Van Drew out of New Jersey seems to be
Speaker 4: the biggest proponent right now of offshore wind. We've got
Speaker 4: a lot of people running right now that are opposing
Speaker 4: offshore win and some of the delegates are starting to
Speaker 4: become more aware. I think the problem is is that
Speaker 4: you know, they're not fully aware of the impacts because
Speaker 4: if you look at the reports, we haven't done proper
Speaker 4: environmental studies.
Speaker 2: So but my question, Joey was in the Massachusetts delegation,
Speaker 2: is there anyone who has said, hey, we're an ally
Speaker 2: of yours and we're going to support the fishermen and
Speaker 2: we're going to oppose Uh. Yeah, we hear everything about
Speaker 2: how they don't want to dig for oil up in
Speaker 2: the up in Alaska, and that makes people feel really good.
Speaker 2: But the impact of the wind turbines is going to
Speaker 2: be a lot more serious closer to home. Is there
Speaker 2: anyone in the Massachusetts delegation who is who's who's on
Speaker 2: your team? On your side? That's I just want to
Speaker 2: give give someone credit if they if they're being helpful.
Speaker 4: Oh, as of right now, they've been awfully quite us
Speaker 4: over New England Fisherman Stewardship Association. Uh no to really
Speaker 4: come out and just flat out said this is a
Speaker 4: bad idea. I mean, it's just a lot of green
Speaker 4: washing going on and people are just not quite aware.
Speaker 4: And that's what this campaign with a floatilla and the
Speaker 4: fishermen bringing this awareness. This is something that we already
Speaker 4: talked about multiple times to the Bureau of Motion Energy Management,
Speaker 4: and now our nightmares are coming to fruition.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, Jerry, you're great spokesperson. This was effective. You
Speaker 2: can always give us a call and I might, if
Speaker 2: you'd like, have you on maybe next week and we
Speaker 2: could do an hour on this topic and take some
Speaker 2: phone calls and spend a little bit more time talking
Speaker 2: about it and maybe put a little light, a little
Speaker 2: fire into some of these politicians who should be your
Speaker 2: natural allies here.
Speaker 3: And I.
Speaker 2: Really think that if you come back on and take
Speaker 2: some phone calls, it will only amplify the legitimate concerns
Speaker 2: of your organization that even Fishermen's Stewardship Association. Jerry appreciates
Speaker 2: you taking the time. Night Okay, keep up the good.
Speaker 4: Fhow oh, I appreciate it, Dan, and I'll be more
Speaker 4: than happy to come back anytime.
Speaker 2: Go talk to my producer tomorrow and we'll get you
Speaker 2: back in the next week or two, next week or so.
Speaker 4: Okay, thanks Jerry, all right, thank you, good night again.
Speaker 2: Okay, we get back. We're going to talk about impersonation scams.
Speaker 2: We're going to talk with the staff attorney handling consumer
Speaker 2: protection matters for the Federal Trade Commission. Her name is
Speaker 2: Darlene Motley. This is one everyone could be subjected to
Speaker 2: imposter scams. It will be explained. Please pay attention and
Speaker 2: stay with us here on Nightside.
Speaker 1: You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, welcome back. We're going to talk with Darlene Motley.
Speaker 2: Darlene is a staff attorney handling consumer protection matters for
Speaker 2: the Federal Trade Commission. Darlene, thank you so much for
Speaker 2: joining us. We're going to talk about imposter scams, which
Speaker 2: I think all of us know what we're talking about.
Speaker 2: But how do we detect those and make sure that
Speaker 2: we don't fall into the scamster's trap?
Speaker 5: Sure, hi, Dan, thanks for having me on my jas are.
Speaker 2: Good, Die, I dive right into the dis Paul welcome, Welcome, Darling, Go.
Speaker 5: Ahead, no problem, we can dive right in. This is
Speaker 5: a very important subject. So imposter scams are a top
Speaker 5: four category, and this has been something that's been highly
Speaker 5: reported people are losing money to in twenty twenty three
Speaker 5: as well as the first quarter of this year. Scammers
Speaker 5: are very good at what they do, and their stories
Speaker 5: are getting more detailed. So typically they'll contact you unexpectedly
Speaker 5: and ask for money or personal information. They'll create a
Speaker 5: sense of urgency they want you to access, so you
Speaker 5: don't have time to think about what they're asking or
Speaker 5: requesting from you or talk to someone else, and they
Speaker 5: often tell you to cheat whatever the urgent issue is
Speaker 5: a secret. And they also get you to move or
Speaker 5: move your money in a specific way or send the
Speaker 5: money in a specific way. And they might pretend to
Speaker 5: be someone you know or a business you're familiar with,
Speaker 5: like Amazon, so that you think you're communicating with someone
Speaker 5: that you can trust and get you to act and
Speaker 5: send your money to them, But this is really a
Speaker 5: false call and it's a scammer trying to take your
Speaker 5: money from you.
Speaker 2: Most of these scams over the phone, or most of
Speaker 2: them you never talk to a human being and it's
Speaker 2: all over the computer, both.
Speaker 5: So it can be both ways. You might get an
Speaker 5: unexpected text message where it says click a link, and
Speaker 5: you should never click links from unknown numbers or from
Speaker 5: businesses that you're not expecting a communication from. You also
Speaker 5: might get an email that says click here. Your account
Speaker 5: has been shut down. Click here to solve the problem.
Speaker 5: Or you might get a call from someone saying that
Speaker 5: they're even from a government agency, including the STC, and
Speaker 5: your money is going to be taken from you if
Speaker 5: you don't act now, and we can transfer you to
Speaker 5: someone who works for this agency to move your money.
Speaker 5: So you can be contacted in a number of ways
Speaker 5: by scammers.
Speaker 2: Pretty fair to say that you will never be contacted.
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong here, correct me. But my understanding is
Speaker 2: you will never be contacted directly by a government agency,
Speaker 2: the I R S or the FTC that if you're
Speaker 2: going to have a problem that one of those letter agencies,
Speaker 2: whether it's the FBI or Home Effort I R S
Speaker 2: fill into the blanks, they will be contacting you by letter.
Speaker 2: Is that a good rule of thumb? And so anything
Speaker 2: you get by a telephone or by text message or
Speaker 2: by email just deleted.
Speaker 5: That's a good rule of thumb. Dan, I would agree
Speaker 5: you should. Definitely you will never receive a phone call
Speaker 5: from a government agency asking you for your Social Security
Speaker 5: number or other personal information, or telling you that you
Speaker 5: need to log into your cash you know, bank account
Speaker 5: or your savings account and move money immediately. If you
Speaker 5: receive any type of communication like that, it is a
Speaker 5: scammer and you should immediately not act or do what
Speaker 5: they're telling you to do. Instead, you can stop, take
Speaker 5: some time, talk to someone else as if you if
Speaker 5: this makes sense, or you know, use a different form
Speaker 5: of communication that you know is trusted, like your regular
Speaker 5: log into that website to check and make sure that
Speaker 5: your accounts are fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. We have had all of these advances
Speaker 2: in your computers communication access, and all it's done is
Speaker 2: created more and more headaches for everyone. I get all
Speaker 2: the time, I guess because I fairly well known person
Speaker 2: here in the Boston area, having been in television and
Speaker 2: radio for a long long time. And I get stuff
Speaker 2: sent to my personal email, more to my personal email
Speaker 2: than my corporate email. How do they get the email
Speaker 2: addresses in the first place, Yes, I'll get something your
Speaker 2: Amazon account is overdue or whatever. I don't have an
Speaker 2: Amazon account, so it's pretty easier for me to figure
Speaker 2: out that's a scam. How do they get my email?
Speaker 2: Or they just to get everybody's email and they just
Speaker 2: send out ten million emails and they hope that twenty
Speaker 2: people respond.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 5: I don't know what specific routes that scammers use to
Speaker 5: get everyone's email, but unfortunately a lot of our personal
Speaker 5: information is out there, either because we shared it on
Speaker 5: social media, or we may have signed up for a
Speaker 5: legitimate business at one time, and unfortunately that information has
Speaker 5: been hacked. And so scammers have various ways of finding
Speaker 5: out personal information from people. One thing that they do
Speaker 5: is they will come social media profiles to learn basic
Speaker 5: things about a person, maybe their name, if they have
Speaker 5: family members that work for certain business, or grandchildren, and
Speaker 5: they'll use that information against you to get you to
Speaker 5: trust and trust them and build rapport so that they
Speaker 5: can eventually get you to give them a payment and
Speaker 5: take your money from you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard of this.
Speaker 5: And another great thing go ahead, And another great thing
Speaker 5: people can do to actually protect themselves is to sign
Speaker 5: up for alerts at FTC dot gov slash Consumer Alerts,
Speaker 5: and this will allow people to get messages delivered to
Speaker 5: their email inbox so they can know and be aware
Speaker 5: of what the latest scams are and if they're not
Speaker 5: necessarily receiving these emails out the blue. They can also
Speaker 5: share this information with someone in their community or a
Speaker 5: family member or friend that might be receiving these types
Speaker 5: of calls and emails.
Speaker 2: My rule of thumb is always find someone thirty years
Speaker 2: younger than you and they will know what's going on
Speaker 2: and what not to take. On another matter, let me
Speaker 2: ask you this, and this is kind of one. If
Speaker 2: you can't answer it, that's fine. Is why is it
Speaker 2: that it seems that despite what a lot of the
Speaker 2: political leaders have pledged to us that they will stop
Speaker 2: us from receiving these annoying phone calls from you know,
Speaker 2: local groups and also you know corporate organizations. You know,
Speaker 2: particularly when people are trying to sit down to dinner.
Speaker 2: This seems to be just so common. Is there anything
Speaker 2: that can actually be done by the government to prevent
Speaker 2: people being inundated with these scam phone calls?
Speaker 5: Well, I can't comment on the political aspect of anything, Dan.
Speaker 5: What I can say is that the STC is working
Speaker 5: on many fronts to combat these scams. For example, the
Speaker 5: STC has a new impersonation rule that gives the agency
Speaker 5: stronger tools to combat scammers who pretend to be government
Speaker 5: agency and businesses. The SEC actually brought its first case
Speaker 5: under the impersonation rule just a few weeks ago. So
Speaker 5: this is an issue that's very important to the agency
Speaker 5: and we're trying to take action. And in addition, the
Speaker 5: main thing is this, you do have a scam and
Speaker 5: unfortunately fall victim, is to let the SEC know to
Speaker 5: report these scams to FTC dot gov slash report fraud
Speaker 5: and this will allow you to this will allow the
Speaker 5: FTC to keep track of what's out there. And I'll
Speaker 5: just repeat that link one more time. It's actually report
Speaker 5: fraud dot FTC dot gov. And if you need to
Speaker 5: file report in a different language, you can contact the
Speaker 5: agency at eight seven seven three eight two forty three
Speaker 5: fifty seven between the hours of nine am to five
Speaker 5: pm Easter in time.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, one of the things that always bothers
Speaker 2: me is you get calls and the person on the
Speaker 2: other end of the line will say, I'm calling from
Speaker 2: the Police Association of America, and I know that there's
Speaker 2: no such thing as the Police Association of America. We're
Speaker 2: raising money to try to help local police departments better, uh,
Speaker 2: you know, protect you and your neighbors, and wondering if
Speaker 2: you'd be willing to make a donation. So I always
Speaker 2: ask a simple question. I'll say, oh, that's great, you
Speaker 2: can you tell me what the administrative cost are of
Speaker 2: your agency, because I know that they have like administrative
Speaker 2: costs these some of these really fraudulent groups ninety percent.
Speaker 2: So you know, they might send one hundred dollars to
Speaker 2: one police department somewhere in the middle of Oklahoma, surprise, surprise.
Speaker 2: And of course they'll answer, well, it's very difficult to
Speaker 2: tell and then no, no, tell me what percentage of
Speaker 2: my donation is actually going to go to a police agency.
Speaker 2: And oftentimes then they just hang up on you or whatever.
Speaker 2: But those are the ones I don't consider them to
Speaker 2: be scammers per se in that they'll take the one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars and they will probably send out of every
Speaker 2: one hundred dollars five dollars to you know, some police agency.
Speaker 2: I don't know if if that qualifies as a scam
Speaker 2: or just inappropriate fundraising. Where would you put something like that.
Speaker 5: Well, speaking from what I would identify that is, I
Speaker 5: to say it is a scam. At the end of
Speaker 5: the day, that caller or that person making that request
Speaker 5: is not being honest about where all of your money
Speaker 5: is going and exactly what you're what they're doing with
Speaker 5: your full donation. So scammers are professional liars and they're
Speaker 5: just telling you what they need to do to get
Speaker 5: whatever money they need from you. So I would I
Speaker 5: would put them in the same category. At the end
Speaker 5: of the day, if you're donating one hundred dollars to
Speaker 5: a pecific cause that you feel is important, then you
Speaker 5: would expect your money to go there. But if a
Speaker 5: scammer is using it or filtering funds somewhere else, then
Speaker 5: I would say that you would feel that you've been
Speaker 5: deceived and has to be used for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Darlene, I would even sign up for I would
Speaker 2: expect that even great charities do have administrative fundraising costs.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you look at you know, whatever one
Speaker 2: you want to talk about, you know the huge ones,
Speaker 2: the Red Cross. I mean they have they have to
Speaker 2: pay salaries to people, but their administrative cost of five
Speaker 2: percent or six percent, so that if you donate one
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, you know that twenty four dollars or whatever
Speaker 2: is going to go to the cause. I get that.
Speaker 2: I have no problem with that. I'm just talking about
Speaker 2: the ones that are just you know, egregiously that take
Speaker 2: that take money from people, and they might give a
Speaker 2: few dollars of that one hundred dollars donation so that
Speaker 2: they're not you know, they're not stealing the money, but
Speaker 2: they still are scamming people. Darlene, I loved the call,
Speaker 2: and I loved your answers, and I love the fact
Speaker 2: that you would spend some time on a Thursday night
Speaker 2: trying to help people. And I thank you for joining
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Speaker 5: Thanks Dan, it's been great to join you this evening,
Speaker 5: and I would love to speak with you in the future.
Speaker 2: Sounds great. We're looking forward to it. I guess was
Speaker 2: Darlene Motley talking about imposter scams. Now, when we get back,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk with a guest who has been
Speaker 2: with us a couple of times before, Julie Bulky uh.
Speaker 2: And she's going to talk about bad bosses. And I
Speaker 2: guess millennials and Gen xers are saying see you later
Speaker 2: at a much higher rate of bad bosses uh than
Speaker 2: people in my category as a baby boomer or maybe
Speaker 2: in yours. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.
Speaker 1: Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World
Speaker 1: nights Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.
Speaker 2: My guess is Julie Balki. She's the president and chief
Speaker 2: career strategist of the Bulki Group. Julie, welcome back. I
Speaker 2: think this is your third time with us here on
Speaker 2: the right side.
Speaker 6: Welcome to.
Speaker 2: Yes, always, always, absolutely, but you're always charming, so it
Speaker 2: doesn't really matter. So we're talking about bad bosses who
Speaker 2: push zers and millennials to the brink, to the break
Speaker 2: of leaving. First of all, what are the characteristics in
Speaker 2: your opinion of a bad boss.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 6: I have had several conversations over the last few weeks
Speaker 6: with millennials and gen z about just this topic, and
Speaker 6: so I would say, inconsistent, treat each person in the
Speaker 6: department differently, so they're not predictable. So inconsistent treatment, lack
Speaker 6: of communication, not trustworthy. You share something with them and
Speaker 6: then you find out it's been shared with others, doesn't
Speaker 6: have emotional control, yells or screams, and doesn't really have
Speaker 6: their back or help develop them. I mean, those are
Speaker 6: the things that it's interesting because they keep hearing these
Speaker 6: young people, you know, my work environment's this, My work
Speaker 6: environment's that I'm said, will tell me about it, and
Speaker 6: then they start describing it, and it's every time it's
Speaker 6: bad leadership. And our leader affects our lives so much
Speaker 6: more than the other people in our lives because we
Speaker 6: are either you know, dealing with them or you know,
Speaker 6: on the receiving end of messages, communicating with them more
Speaker 6: than forty hours a week.
Speaker 2: Well, you're beholden to them. You go into the workforce
Speaker 2: and you want to make a good impression, you want
Speaker 2: to do the best job you can, and you have
Speaker 2: a boss who treat you unfairly. Why is it? I
Speaker 2: looked at this prep piece that my producer Marita gave
Speaker 2: me today and it talked about how baby boomers, of
Speaker 2: whom I'm in that generation sixty one percent of baby
Speaker 2: Boomers would leave. They would leave their job if they
Speaker 2: had a bad boss, which means thirty nine percent haven't
Speaker 2: left their job. But amongst Millennials and gen Zers and
Speaker 2: maybe even to something spell a little less under Gen
Speaker 2: X so malayis Neils and gen Zers, seventy five percent
Speaker 2: of seventy seven percent substantially more like twenty five percent
Speaker 2: more would leave. Is that because of the fact that
Speaker 2: they're younger and they they don't have as much invested
Speaker 2: in a job, and maybe they have a family that
Speaker 2: they have to support, or is it more something about
Speaker 2: the generation that they're not going to tolerate it as
Speaker 2: much as Baby Boomers have tolerated.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I think that's two of the things, and they all
Speaker 6: The third is they have more options. I'm also a
Speaker 6: baby boomer, so was think about about when we started
Speaker 6: our first job, it was it was a get with
Speaker 6: a good company and hang on. I mean that was
Speaker 6: kind of the advice. And you couldn't do a side
Speaker 6: hustles or technology wasn't there to find another job more easily.
Speaker 6: You really, you know, we just stayed where we were,
Speaker 6: and it was frowned upon if you left a job
Speaker 6: before like eight to ten years, and so we put
Speaker 6: up with a lot more because we just It's just
Speaker 6: it was sort of like, well, let's work, you're not
Speaker 6: supposed to enjoy it. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 6: and I can hear boomers everywhere going, oh yeah, that's true.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, when you look at the
Speaker 6: stats on people who say that they are unhappy, disengaged,
Speaker 6: dissatisfied at work, it hovers between sixty and seventy percent,
Speaker 6: and it has for decades. So anybody who says, let's
Speaker 6: go back to the way things were, let's get these
Speaker 6: gen z to fall in line, and you know, it
Speaker 6: wasn't that great. I mean that why are you trying
Speaker 6: to send them back into the type of workforce that
Speaker 6: was not only would not work today for a lot
Speaker 6: of reasons. But it wasn't all that great because we
Speaker 6: stuck around because we had to in most cases. And
Speaker 6: like you said, there's all kinds of reasons why the
Speaker 6: younger generations are saying. You know, I know, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to put up with them. So these people that
Speaker 6: I've been talking to, so here's the counsel I give them.
Speaker 6: I say, Okay, why put together thoughts. Ye sit down
Speaker 6: with your manager and communicate what it is that you
Speaker 6: need to be successful in what you need from him
Speaker 6: or her, at least start there instead of just running
Speaker 6: off to a new job.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But you know, it's unfair almost, And I think
Speaker 2: that's good advice, but it's almost unfair because at that
Speaker 2: point you're putting the onus of adulthood on the young
Speaker 2: employee as opposed to person who should carry that burden,
Speaker 2: the person who, at some point, because they're a boss,
Speaker 2: must have come up through the rags. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just well.
Speaker 6: Companies don't do a good job of training people or
Speaker 6: promoting the right people. It's just assumed because you're the
Speaker 6: best engineer, you'll be the best boss. And those are
Speaker 6: two completely different jobs, and so a lot of that
Speaker 6: really falls with the organization, and they also need to
Speaker 6: act more quickly. But I've been in situations where the
Speaker 6: entire department quits complaining about the boss and the bosses
Speaker 6: boss does that they're just a bunch of whiners, Like, really.
Speaker 2: Well, there's two there's two bad bosses. There's a bad
Speaker 2: boss and another bad boss who doesn't recognize the bad boss.
Speaker 2: And that's why companies fail. And that's why and that's
Speaker 2: why companies fail. You all to tell me about this
Speaker 2: company's going out of business. This company's going out of business,
Speaker 2: and and that's that's the key. Julie. I love to
Speaker 2: have you on the show, and I really appreciate you
Speaker 2: your You're clear, and you're passionate about you do what
Speaker 2: you do. You must be a terrific boss.
Speaker 6: I am thank you.
Speaker 2: We'll do it.
Speaker 6: We'll do time number four again.
Speaker 2: Soon, absolutely, Julie. How can folks get in touch with
Speaker 2: your group if they feel that perhaps you could be
Speaker 2: of some value to them, and I'm sure they do.
Speaker 2: What's the easiest way to get in touch?
Speaker 6: The website is the Balkie Group b a u k E.
Speaker 6: Thebalkiegroup Dot com I'm on LinkedIn, but also my socials
Speaker 6: on Instagram and TikTok or.
Speaker 3: Julie on the job sounds great.
Speaker 2: Julie on the job, Well, you did the job tonight.
Speaker 2: Thanks Julie. We'll talk again in the very near future.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it. When we get back, we're going to look
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