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<v Speaker 1>It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right and Cole, thank you very much, Thursday night,

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<v Speaker 2>getting closer to the weekend. My name is Dan Ray.

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<v Speaker 2>Rob Brooks is back at the control room. He will

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<v Speaker 2>set you up with telephone calls, but it's not until

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<v Speaker 2>after nine o'clock. During the first hours tonight, we will

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<v Speaker 2>have four interesting interviews with people who may be newsmakers,

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<v Speaker 2>or they may be providing you with very important information

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<v Speaker 2>in your own life. We'll get to all of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Coming up tonight, we are going to talk with a

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<v Speaker 2>business school professor from MIT, the Sloan School about the

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<v Speaker 2>ten year anniversary of the Market Basket Civil War. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the Hatfields and the McCoy's, No was Demols versus Demoulis.

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<v Speaker 2>And if all of you remember that, I think it'll

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<v Speaker 2>be an interesting walk back tonight. Then later on tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna ask you the question of what would you

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<v Speaker 2>like to ask Vice President Harris if you had an opportunity.

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<v Speaker 2>She will be doing a little bit later on tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>her first sit down interview since she won the Democratic

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<v Speaker 2>presidential nomination, and there's a lot of questions that people

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<v Speaker 2>have and let them know what your questions are and

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<v Speaker 2>who knows what else would do if the evening goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>But let us start off first with a piece of

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<v Speaker 2>legislation which has just hit the books in Massachusetts, which

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<v Speaker 2>will provide which will provide full disability benefits to first

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<v Speaker 2>responders who are injured permanently injured in the line of

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<v Speaker 2>duty with us. Is Mario olivera former police officer. I've

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<v Speaker 2>actually interviewed him before. I hope he remembers me from

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<v Speaker 2>that interview previously. But he was badly injured, badly injured

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<v Speaker 2>in Somerville. He was a Somerville police officer, came close

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<v Speaker 2>to dying twice, and he is now the head of

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<v Speaker 2>an organization called the Violently Injured Police Officers Association. So

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<v Speaker 2>let me let me welcome him back to w b Z. Hello, Mario,

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<v Speaker 2>how are you tonight?

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<v Speaker 3>Hi Dan, thanks for having me on your show.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're more than welcome. Glad to have you on again.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you remember we've talked before and I covered

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<v Speaker 2>the story actually of this. How are you doing. Hope

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<v Speaker 2>you're doing well.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing well, Thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, your group, it's a nonprofit group called Violently

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<v Speaker 2>Injured Police Officers, and you folks, I guess, must be

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<v Speaker 2>very happy that Massachusetts has adopted this piece of legislation.

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<v Speaker 2>Is this the first piece of legislation to provide full

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<v Speaker 2>disability benefits to first responders injured in the line of duty?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it is.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first of it's kind in the state.

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<v Speaker 2>First of it's kind in message House. But has has

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<v Speaker 2>it been adopted? We are we late to the party

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<v Speaker 2>or are we ahead of the curve? Is what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>trying to find out.

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<v Speaker 3>No, We're late to the party, unfortunately. So I've been

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<v Speaker 3>successful in passing this legislation in Oklahoma, in Kentucky, and

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<v Speaker 3>also in New Hampshire, and it's well on its way

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<v Speaker 3>in New Jersey.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So we're the fourth state if if I'm accounting properly,

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<v Speaker 2>and the governor signed this law again an Act relative

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<v Speaker 2>to Disability Pensions and Critical Incident Stress Management for violent crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>So for an officer or an E. M. T H

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<v Speaker 2>to qualify for this, it has to be a violent incident,

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<v Speaker 2>and obviously the officer has to sadly suffer from some

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<v Speaker 2>pretty serious injuries. Uh. And if that happens before this law.

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<v Speaker 2>What benefits would an officer in that situation have received

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<v Speaker 2>if they had to go out on some out of

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<v Speaker 2>a permanent disability? What what was the what was the

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<v Speaker 2>law prior to passage of this legislation.

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<v Speaker 3>The previous law was seventy two percent and it quotes

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<v Speaker 3>accidental disabilities. The issue I had is when an officer

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<v Speaker 3>is shot or stabbed or run over by a fleeing

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<v Speaker 3>a motor vehicle driven by a suspect, how is it

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<v Speaker 3>an accident. It's not an accident, it's a purposeful act

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<v Speaker 3>number one. So under those circumstances in the past, an

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<v Speaker 3>injured officer or first responder would get seventy two percent,

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<v Speaker 3>So it didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Matter the circumstance, It didn't matter the circumstances in which

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<v Speaker 2>the injury was inflicted upon the officer.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, there was seventy two And then there's a cap

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<v Speaker 3>on what they can earn.

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<v Speaker 2>If if they're able to work.

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<v Speaker 3>If they were ever able to correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, okay, So now what this does. It would

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<v Speaker 2>give a one disability which would be reduced at their

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<v Speaker 2>retirement age, but it would certainly provide them with more

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<v Speaker 2>support from the time that they might be injured. In

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<v Speaker 2>the violent act right well through their retirement, but right

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<v Speaker 2>up until their retirement is going to make a huge difference.

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<v Speaker 3>Indeed, indeed, so just so.

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<v Speaker 2>That people know what we're talking about. You you were

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<v Speaker 2>badly injured, you were shot and you almost died.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was shot six times, actually died three times

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<v Speaker 3>in the hostel that night, and by the grace of God,

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<v Speaker 3>was saved by doctor David King, who's the head trauma

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<v Speaker 3>surgeon on duty that night.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's amazing. Again, this goes back to twenty ten.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're talking about fourteen years ago, and you were

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<v Speaker 2>shot by, as I understand that, a guy who was

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<v Speaker 2>a trafficker, and you was shot in the chest, stomach,

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<v Speaker 2>and arm at point blank range a total of six times.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank God that you would transport it to a

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<v Speaker 2>great hospital, Mass General Hospital. And this doctor David King,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a trauma services doctor who subsequently also helped

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<v Speaker 2>save the lives of some of the victims of the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty thirteen marathon bombing.

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<v Speaker 4>It is just.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an amazing story. How long had you been on

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<v Speaker 2>the force before refresh my recollection? How long had you

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<v Speaker 2>had you been on the summer of the police force

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<v Speaker 2>before this horrific event.

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<v Speaker 3>I was on the force for about twelve years at

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<v Speaker 3>the time of the shooting event. After I was hurt,

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<v Speaker 3>I pushed myself well. I had a three year old

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<v Speaker 3>son at the time and found out that my wife

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<v Speaker 3>was pregnant to day get out of the hospital, so

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<v Speaker 3>I had another baby on the way I didn't even know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went back to work for a lasted about

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<v Speaker 3>a year. Almost a year, I suffered a major heart

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<v Speaker 3>attack and then a stroke, all injuries that were sustained

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<v Speaker 3>or as a consequence of the actual shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, so you went back to work. You were paid

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<v Speaker 2>a full salary, and that was why you felt you

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<v Speaker 2>If this law had been in place, then you probably

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<v Speaker 2>would have been able to have retired with a full

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<v Speaker 2>disability pension and there would have been no reason for

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<v Speaker 3>You would have had absolutely correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you have personified why this piece of legislation

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<v Speaker 2>is so important. I'm hoping that this was First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no idea why it took him so long

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, but I'm hoping that it was passed

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<v Speaker 2>unanimously in both the House and Senate. If it wasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that's fine. But this, this to me, is

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<v Speaker 2>something that should have been supported by all members of

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<v Speaker 4>By the governor.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy to say that it

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<v Speaker 3>was passed unanimously in both the House and the Senate.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thank all the law makers for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>supporting the bill and doing the right thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It just seems to me that a bill like this

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<v Speaker 2>could be written, passed upon, engrossed, you know, final passage,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of the hocus focus that goes on at

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<v Speaker 2>the State House. It should have been passed twenty years

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<v Speaker 2>ago or fifty years ago. And it's just too bad

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<v Speaker 2>that they have to be police officers like yourself who

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<v Speaker 2>suffer these horrific injuries, who in effect our living reasons

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<v Speaker 2>why this piece of model legislation should have passed. Mario.

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you and I hope your family are doing well,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope that your medical troubles and complications are

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<v Speaker 2>in your rear view. Merrat, thanks for being with us tonight,

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<v Speaker 2>and thanks for fighting not only for yourself, but for

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<v Speaker 2>every police officer, every e MT. Every firefighter in the common.

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<v Speaker 3>Off absolutely thank you for having me on the show

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<v Speaker 3>and God bless you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks very much Mary Olivert, who is a remarkable individual,

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<v Speaker 2>not unlike so many of the first responders in this state.

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<v Speaker 2>When we get back, we will change topics as we do,

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<v Speaker 2>and we're going to talk about the plight of New

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<v Speaker 2>England Fishermen's with the CEO of the New England Fishermen's

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<v Speaker 2>Stewardess Stewardship Association. There was a big demonstration when we

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<v Speaker 2>talk with Jerry Lehman on the on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of this quick break, my name's Dan Ray. This is Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>Now bat to Dan Ray live from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on WBZ News Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>We are being joined by Jerry Lehman. He's the CEO

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<v Speaker 2>of the New England Fishermen Stewardship Association. Jerry, welcome to Nightside.

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<v Speaker 4>How are you, sir, good and thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan, You're welcome, You're welcome. I have covered this story

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit in many respects the plight of fishermen.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's much more than what we're going to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about right now. You won that case, thank goodness, in

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<v Speaker 2>front of the Supreme Court, so that you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to now pay the salaries of these federal bureaucrats who

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<v Speaker 2>get a nice ride on your boat while you're out

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<v Speaker 2>trying to work. And there are other issues. One that

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<v Speaker 2>you took on last weekend. It was a fisherman flotilla

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<v Speaker 2>which were protested out at the destroyed Vineyard wind turbine.

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us have seen the story about

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<v Speaker 2>these turbines that end up malfunctioning and the blade gets

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<v Speaker 2>in effect thrown off. This is extraordinarily dangerous to anyone

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<v Speaker 2>who's in the water, particularly the fishermen who are out

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<v Speaker 2>there day in and day out. Tell us about the

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<v Speaker 2>protest and tell us why it's important to get the

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the public needs to know that these are very

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<v Speaker 4>dangerous machines. Especially it's going to have direct impacts to

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<v Speaker 4>the natural resources and the longevity of the food securities

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<v Speaker 4>of this nation. Those blades that fell off or are

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<v Speaker 4>pretty much invisible at night on the surface. So if

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<v Speaker 4>commercial and recreational vessels are transit into the fishing grounds,

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<v Speaker 4>since we're being displaced from the grounds that are besided,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, if somebody hits that, it can cause some

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. How far are these wind turbines off the coast? Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I have done some stories on these in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>and I know that there is big money involved in

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<v Speaker 2>to get these wind turbines in the ocean. But they

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<v Speaker 2>must be They must be billions of dollars of capital

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<v Speaker 2>behind them. Tell us about if you know a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit about Vineyard Wind, is that the only company out

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<v Speaker 4>Operational at the moment, they're all shut down due to

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<v Speaker 4>Bessie sure Burea safety management shut them down after the

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<v Speaker 4>That was twenty nine miles off shore, and that's on

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, just anybody, The shortest distance anybody came for

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<v Speaker 4>that flotilla was a forty two nautical mile round trip.

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<v Speaker 4>So guys took it upon themselves to not only take

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<v Speaker 4>there in protest. People are not aware of the effects

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<v Speaker 4>that these turbines could have on the environment, changing the

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<v Speaker 2>Now, these turbines are run by the wind, but I

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<v Speaker 2>assume that they have a lot of well, amongst other things,

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, yes, these things have got thousands of gallons of

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, let me tell you what sort of reception I

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, we had hands across the beach on Martha's Vineyard

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<v Speaker 4>and Nantucket, and we had about twenty five vessels around

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<v Speaker 4>the southern region around the turbine, with another fifteen vessels

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<v Speaker 2>How about how many turbines are out there at this point, Jerry. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>these stories come and go and you read them, but

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<v Speaker 2>you forget how many turbines do you have to navigate

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<v Speaker 4>There are sixty two turbines just going in the Vineyard

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<v Speaker 4>upwards to twelve hundred to fourteen hundred just in that region.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we're pushing for eight golf of main lease sites,

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<v Speaker 4>which would be an additional million acres lease to offshore wind,

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<v Speaker 4>which could be an additional fourteen hundred turbines. It is

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm assuming that the wind turbine companies are saying, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>to power electricity. The is it worth it you're putting

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<v Speaker 2>aside the danger that the fishing industry and the ecological

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<v Speaker 2>damage that can be done as well. Is there a

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<v Speaker 2>payoff for electric customers, because that's what these companies keep

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<v Speaker 4>No. I mean, just look at New York. If you

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<v Speaker 4>want from thirty six dollars a megawatt hour, the new

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<v Speaker 4>purchase agreement for fixed offshore win is one hundred and

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<v Speaker 4>fifty five dollars. And we know from their own appendixes

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<v Speaker 4>that floating offshore wind is double the price effexed. This

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<v Speaker 4>if you look at their own appendixes, it also says

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<v Speaker 2>And the thing that is most interesting to me here

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<v Speaker 2>long they have been actually physically either in operation or

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<v Speaker 2>at least in the seabed. No one from shore sees them.

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<v Speaker 2>The companies are very smart. They have they have kept

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<v Speaker 2>the wind turned turbines uh beyond the horizon for most people,

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<v Speaker 2>I think your demonstration on Sunday did get some publicity,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's what I think it was important. Would you agree?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I definitely agree. People need to realize that these turbines,

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<v Speaker 4>even though you might not see them from your shores,

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<v Speaker 4>are going to have direct impacts to the American dinner table.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It which means means that a lot of the uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the fruit of the sea if you will, that that

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<v Speaker 2>you folks are harvest the fish and lobsters and everything else,

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<v Speaker 2>they also when they are at supply, they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>be much more costly than they are right now. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is what's next for you know, are there any

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<v Speaker 2>of the politicians who are listening to folks. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to put anybody in the spot, but any of

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we think they would start to pay attention. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>he's going to have direct impacts to the environment that

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<v Speaker 4>everybody claims to protect. I mean, just in their one

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<v Speaker 4>appendix from the Sunrise Wind Project, the pooling station talks

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<v Speaker 4>about discharging chlorinated heated water by the millions of gallons

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<v Speaker 4>and vital plankton, which are the building blocks of our ocean.

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<v Speaker 4>So we could be destroying our sustainability.

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<v Speaker 2>So who has anyone in our delegation, you know, any

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<v Speaker 2>either of the Senators, any of the members of the

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<v Speaker 4>Congressman Van Drew out of New Jersey seems to be

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest proponent right now of offshore wind. We've got

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of people running right now that are opposing

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<v Speaker 4>offshore win and some of the delegates are starting to

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<v Speaker 4>become more aware. I think the problem is is that

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they're not fully aware of the impacts because

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<v Speaker 4>if you look at the reports, we haven't done proper

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<v Speaker 2>So but my question, Joey was in the Massachusetts delegation,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anyone who has said, hey, we're an ally

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<v Speaker 2>of yours and we're going to support the fishermen and

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to oppose Uh. Yeah, we hear everything about

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<v Speaker 2>how they don't want to dig for oil up in

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<v Speaker 2>the up in Alaska, and that makes people feel really good.

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<v Speaker 2>But the impact of the wind turbines is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a lot more serious closer to home. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in the Massachusetts delegation who is who's who's on

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<v Speaker 2>your team? On your side? That's I just want to

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<v Speaker 2>give give someone credit if they if they're being helpful.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, as of right now, they've been awfully quite us

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<v Speaker 4>over New England Fisherman Stewardship Association. Uh no to really

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<v Speaker 4>come out and just flat out said this is a

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<v Speaker 4>bad idea. I mean, it's just a lot of green

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<v Speaker 4>washing going on and people are just not quite aware.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what this campaign with a floatilla and the

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<v Speaker 4>fishermen bringing this awareness. This is something that we already

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<v Speaker 4>talked about multiple times to the Bureau of Motion Energy Management,

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<v Speaker 4>and now our nightmares are coming to fruition.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well, Jerry, you're great spokesperson. This was effective. You

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<v Speaker 2>can always give us a call and I might, if

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<v Speaker 2>you'd like, have you on maybe next week and we

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<v Speaker 2>could do an hour on this topic and take some

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<v Speaker 2>phone calls and spend a little bit more time talking

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<v Speaker 2>about it and maybe put a little light, a little

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<v Speaker 2>fire into some of these politicians who should be your

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<v Speaker 3>And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Really think that if you come back on and take

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<v Speaker 2>some phone calls, it will only amplify the legitimate concerns

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<v Speaker 2>of your organization that even Fishermen's Stewardship Association. Jerry appreciates

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<v Speaker 2>you taking the time. Night Okay, keep up the good.

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<v Speaker 4>Fhow oh, I appreciate it, Dan, and I'll be more

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<v Speaker 4>than happy to come back anytime.

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<v Speaker 2>Go talk to my producer tomorrow and we'll get you

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<v Speaker 2>back in the next week or two, next week or so.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, thanks Jerry, all right, thank you, good night again.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, we get back. We're going to talk about impersonation scams.

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<v Speaker 2>We're going to talk with the staff attorney handling consumer

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<v Speaker 2>protection matters for the Federal Trade Commission. Her name is

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<v Speaker 2>Darlene Motley. This is one everyone could be subjected to

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<v Speaker 2>imposter scams. It will be explained. Please pay attention and

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<v Speaker 2>stay with us here on Nightside.

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<v Speaker 1>You're on Nightside with Dan Ray on wb Boston's news radio.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, welcome back. We're going to talk with Darlene Motley.

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<v Speaker 2>Darlene is a staff attorney handling consumer protection matters for

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<v Speaker 2>the Federal Trade Commission. Darlene, thank you so much for

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<v Speaker 2>joining us. We're going to talk about imposter scams, which

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<v Speaker 2>I think all of us know what we're talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>But how do we detect those and make sure that

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<v Speaker 2>we don't fall into the scamster's trap?

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<v Speaker 5>Sure, hi, Dan, thanks for having me on my jas are.

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<v Speaker 2>Good, Die, I dive right into the dis Paul welcome, Welcome, Darling, Go.

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<v Speaker 5>Ahead, no problem, we can dive right in. This is

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<v Speaker 5>a very important subject. So imposter scams are a top

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<v Speaker 5>four category, and this has been something that's been highly

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<v Speaker 5>reported people are losing money to in twenty twenty three

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<v Speaker 5>as well as the first quarter of this year. Scammers

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<v Speaker 5>are very good at what they do, and their stories

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<v Speaker 5>are getting more detailed. So typically they'll contact you unexpectedly

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<v Speaker 5>and ask for money or personal information. They'll create a

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<v Speaker 5>sense of urgency they want you to access, so you

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<v Speaker 5>don't have time to think about what they're asking or

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<v Speaker 5>requesting from you or talk to someone else, and they

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<v Speaker 5>often tell you to cheat whatever the urgent issue is

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<v Speaker 5>a secret. And they also get you to move or

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<v Speaker 5>move your money in a specific way or send the

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<v Speaker 5>be someone you know or a business you're familiar with,

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<v Speaker 5>like Amazon, so that you think you're communicating with someone

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<v Speaker 5>that you can trust and get you to act and

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<v Speaker 5>send your money to them, But this is really a

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<v Speaker 5>false call and it's a scammer trying to take your

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<v Speaker 2>Most of these scams over the phone, or most of

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<v Speaker 2>them you never talk to a human being and it's

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<v Speaker 2>all over the computer, both.

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<v Speaker 5>So it can be both ways. You might get an

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<v Speaker 5>unexpected text message where it says click a link, and

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<v Speaker 5>you should never click links from unknown numbers or from

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<v Speaker 5>businesses that you're not expecting a communication from. You also

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<v Speaker 5>might get an email that says click here. Your account

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<v Speaker 5>has been shut down. Click here to solve the problem.

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<v Speaker 5>Or you might get a call from someone saying that

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<v Speaker 5>they're even from a government agency, including the STC, and

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<v Speaker 5>your money is going to be taken from you if

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<v Speaker 5>you don't act now, and we can transfer you to

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<v Speaker 5>someone who works for this agency to move your money.

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<v Speaker 5>So you can be contacted in a number of ways

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty fair to say that you will never be contacted.

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<v Speaker 2>If I'm wrong here, correct me. But my understanding is

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<v Speaker 2>you will never be contacted directly by a government agency,

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<v Speaker 2>the I R S or the FTC that if you're

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<v Speaker 2>going to have a problem that one of those letter agencies,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's the FBI or Home Effort I R S

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<v Speaker 2>fill into the blanks, they will be contacting you by letter.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a good rule of thumb? And so anything

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<v Speaker 5>That's a good rule of thumb. Dan, I would agree

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<v Speaker 5>you should. Definitely you will never receive a phone call

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<v Speaker 5>from a government agency asking you for your Social Security

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<v Speaker 5>number or other personal information, or telling you that you

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<v Speaker 5>or your savings account and move money immediately. If you

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<v Speaker 5>receive any type of communication like that, it is a

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<v Speaker 5>this makes sense, or you know, use a different form

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<v Speaker 5>of communication that you know is trusted, like your regular

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<v Speaker 5>log into that website to check and make sure that

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<v Speaker 5>your accounts are fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's amazing. We have had all of these advances

428
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<v Speaker 2>in your computers communication access, and all it's done is

429
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<v Speaker 2>created more and more headaches for everyone. I get all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, I guess because I fairly well known person

431
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<v Speaker 2>here in the Boston area, having been in television and

432
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<v Speaker 2>radio for a long long time. And I get stuff

433
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<v Speaker 2>sent to my personal email, more to my personal email

434
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<v Speaker 2>than my corporate email. How do they get the email

435
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<v Speaker 2>addresses in the first place, Yes, I'll get something your

436
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<v Speaker 2>Amazon account is overdue or whatever. I don't have an

437
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<v Speaker 2>Amazon account, so it's pretty easier for me to figure

438
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<v Speaker 2>out that's a scam. How do they get my email?

439
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<v Speaker 2>Or they just to get everybody's email and they just

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<v Speaker 2>send out ten million emails and they hope that twenty

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<v Speaker 2>people respond.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know what specific routes that scammers use to

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<v Speaker 5>get everyone's email, but unfortunately a lot of our personal

445
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<v Speaker 5>information is out there, either because we shared it on

446
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<v Speaker 5>social media, or we may have signed up for a

447
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<v Speaker 5>legitimate business at one time, and unfortunately that information has

448
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<v Speaker 5>been hacked. And so scammers have various ways of finding

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<v Speaker 5>out personal information from people. One thing that they do

450
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<v Speaker 5>is they will come social media profiles to learn basic

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<v Speaker 5>things about a person, maybe their name, if they have

452
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<v Speaker 5>family members that work for certain business, or grandchildren, and

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<v Speaker 5>they'll use that information against you to get you to

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<v Speaker 5>trust and trust them and build rapport so that they

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<v Speaker 5>can eventually get you to give them a payment and

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<v Speaker 5>take your money from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard of this.

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<v Speaker 5>And another great thing go ahead, And another great thing

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<v Speaker 5>people can do to actually protect themselves is to sign

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<v Speaker 5>up for alerts at FTC dot gov slash Consumer Alerts,

461
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<v Speaker 5>and this will allow people to get messages delivered to

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<v Speaker 5>their email inbox so they can know and be aware

463
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<v Speaker 5>of what the latest scams are and if they're not

464
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<v Speaker 5>necessarily receiving these emails out the blue. They can also

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<v Speaker 5>share this information with someone in their community or a

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<v Speaker 5>family member or friend that might be receiving these types

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<v Speaker 5>of calls and emails.

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<v Speaker 2>My rule of thumb is always find someone thirty years

469
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<v Speaker 2>younger than you and they will know what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>and what not to take. On another matter, let me

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<v Speaker 2>ask you this, and this is kind of one. If

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<v Speaker 2>you can't answer it, that's fine. Is why is it

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<v Speaker 2>that it seems that despite what a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>political leaders have pledged to us that they will stop

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<v Speaker 2>us from receiving these annoying phone calls from you know,

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<v Speaker 2>local groups and also you know corporate organizations. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly when people are trying to sit down to dinner.

478
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<v Speaker 2>This seems to be just so common. Is there anything

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<v Speaker 2>that can actually be done by the government to prevent

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<v Speaker 2>people being inundated with these scam phone calls?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I can't comment on the political aspect of anything, Dan.

482
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<v Speaker 5>What I can say is that the STC is working

483
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<v Speaker 5>on many fronts to combat these scams. For example, the

484
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<v Speaker 5>STC has a new impersonation rule that gives the agency

485
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<v Speaker 5>stronger tools to combat scammers who pretend to be government

486
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<v Speaker 5>agency and businesses. The SEC actually brought its first case

487
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<v Speaker 5>under the impersonation rule just a few weeks ago. So

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<v Speaker 5>this is an issue that's very important to the agency

489
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<v Speaker 5>and we're trying to take action. And in addition, the

490
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<v Speaker 5>main thing is this, you do have a scam and

491
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<v Speaker 5>unfortunately fall victim, is to let the SEC know to

492
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<v Speaker 5>report these scams to FTC dot gov slash report fraud

493
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<v Speaker 5>and this will allow you to this will allow the

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<v Speaker 5>FTC to keep track of what's out there. And I'll

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<v Speaker 5>just repeat that link one more time. It's actually report

496
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<v Speaker 5>fraud dot FTC dot gov. And if you need to

497
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<v Speaker 5>file report in a different language, you can contact the

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<v Speaker 5>agency at eight seven seven three eight two forty three

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<v Speaker 5>fifty seven between the hours of nine am to five

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<v Speaker 5>pm Easter in time.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, one of the things that always bothers

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<v Speaker 2>me is you get calls and the person on the

503
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<v Speaker 2>other end of the line will say, I'm calling from

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<v Speaker 2>the Police Association of America, and I know that there's

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<v Speaker 2>no such thing as the Police Association of America. We're

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<v Speaker 2>raising money to try to help local police departments better, uh,

507
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<v Speaker 2>you know, protect you and your neighbors, and wondering if

508
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<v Speaker 2>you'd be willing to make a donation. So I always

509
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<v Speaker 2>ask a simple question. I'll say, oh, that's great, you

510
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<v Speaker 2>can you tell me what the administrative cost are of

511
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<v Speaker 2>your agency, because I know that they have like administrative

512
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<v Speaker 2>costs these some of these really fraudulent groups ninety percent.

513
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<v Speaker 2>So you know, they might send one hundred dollars to

514
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<v Speaker 2>one police department somewhere in the middle of Oklahoma, surprise, surprise.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course they'll answer, well, it's very difficult to

516
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<v Speaker 2>tell and then no, no, tell me what percentage of

517
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<v Speaker 2>my donation is actually going to go to a police agency.

518
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<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes then they just hang up on you or whatever.

519
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<v Speaker 2>But those are the ones I don't consider them to

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<v Speaker 2>be scammers per se in that they'll take the one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars and they will probably send out of every

522
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<v Speaker 2>one hundred dollars five dollars to you know, some police agency.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if if that qualifies as a scam

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<v Speaker 2>or just inappropriate fundraising. Where would you put something like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, speaking from what I would identify that is, I

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<v Speaker 5>to say it is a scam. At the end of

527
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<v Speaker 5>the day, that caller or that person making that request

528
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<v Speaker 5>is not being honest about where all of your money

529
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<v Speaker 5>is going and exactly what you're what they're doing with

530
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 5>your full donation. So scammers are professional liars and they're

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<v Speaker 5>just telling you what they need to do to get

532
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<v Speaker 5>whatever money they need from you. So I would I

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<v Speaker 5>would put them in the same category. At the end

534
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<v Speaker 5>of the day, if you're donating one hundred dollars to

535
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<v Speaker 5>a pecific cause that you feel is important, then you

536
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<v Speaker 5>would expect your money to go there. But if a

537
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<v Speaker 5>scammer is using it or filtering funds somewhere else, then

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<v Speaker 5>I would say that you would feel that you've been

539
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<v Speaker 5>deceived and has to be used for something.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Darlene, I would even sign up for I would

541
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<v Speaker 2>expect that even great charities do have administrative fundraising costs.

542
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if you look at you know, whatever one

543
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<v Speaker 2>you want to talk about, you know the huge ones,

544
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<v Speaker 2>the Red Cross. I mean they have they have to

545
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<v Speaker 2>pay salaries to people, but their administrative cost of five

546
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<v Speaker 2>percent or six percent, so that if you donate one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred dollars, you know that twenty four dollars or whatever

548
00:31:01.279 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>is going to go to the cause. I get that.

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<v Speaker 2>I have no problem with that. I'm just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>the ones that are just you know, egregiously that take

551
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<v Speaker 2>that take money from people, and they might give a

552
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<v Speaker 2>few dollars of that one hundred dollars donation so that

553
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<v Speaker 2>they're not you know, they're not stealing the money, but

554
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<v Speaker 2>they still are scamming people. Darlene, I loved the call,

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<v Speaker 2>and I loved your answers, and I love the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that you would spend some time on a Thursday night

557
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<v Speaker 2>trying to help people. And I thank you for joining

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<v Speaker 2>us tonight, and we'd love to have you back. We

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<v Speaker 2>do this five nights a week, so any night that

560
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<v Speaker 2>you feel that you want to get the word out

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<v Speaker 2>to all of New England. As a matter of fact,

562
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<v Speaker 2>most of the hat the eastern half of the United States.

563
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<v Speaker 2>WBZ has a big, powerful signal and we love to

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<v Speaker 2>get good, good information out to our listeners. Thank you

565
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<v Speaker 2>so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 5>Thanks Dan, it's been great to join you this evening,

567
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<v Speaker 5>and I would love to speak with you in the future.

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds great. We're looking forward to it. I guess was

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<v Speaker 2>Darlene Motley talking about imposter scams. Now, when we get back,

570
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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk with a guest who has been

571
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<v Speaker 2>with us a couple of times before, Julie Bulky uh.

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<v Speaker 2>And she's going to talk about bad bosses. And I

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<v Speaker 2>guess millennials and Gen xers are saying see you later

574
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<v Speaker 2>at a much higher rate of bad bosses uh than

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<v Speaker 2>people in my category as a baby boomer or maybe

576
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<v Speaker 2>in yours. We'll be back on Nightside right after this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now back to Dan ray Line from the Window World

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<v Speaker 1>nights Side Studios on w b Z, the news Radio.

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<v Speaker 2>My guess is Julie Balki. She's the president and chief

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<v Speaker 2>career strategist of the Bulki Group. Julie, welcome back. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is your third time with us here on

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<v Speaker 2>the right side.

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<v Speaker 6>Welcome to.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, always, always, absolutely, but you're always charming, so it

585
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>doesn't really matter. So we're talking about bad bosses who

586
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<v Speaker 2>push zers and millennials to the brink, to the break

587
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<v Speaker 2>of leaving. First of all, what are the characteristics in

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<v Speaker 2>your opinion of a bad boss.

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 6>I have had several conversations over the last few weeks

591
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<v Speaker 6>with millennials and gen z about just this topic, and

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<v Speaker 6>so I would say, inconsistent, treat each person in the

593
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<v Speaker 6>department differently, so they're not predictable. So inconsistent treatment, lack

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<v Speaker 6>of communication, not trustworthy. You share something with them and

595
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<v Speaker 6>then you find out it's been shared with others, doesn't

596
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<v Speaker 6>have emotional control, yells or screams, and doesn't really have

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<v Speaker 6>their back or help develop them. I mean, those are

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<v Speaker 6>the things that it's interesting because they keep hearing these

599
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<v Speaker 6>young people, you know, my work environment's this, My work

600
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<v Speaker 6>environment's that I'm said, will tell me about it, and

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<v Speaker 6>then they start describing it, and it's every time it's

602
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<v Speaker 6>bad leadership. And our leader affects our lives so much

603
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<v Speaker 6>more than the other people in our lives because we

604
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<v Speaker 6>are either you know, dealing with them or you know,

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<v Speaker 6>on the receiving end of messages, communicating with them more

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<v Speaker 6>than forty hours a week.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you're beholden to them. You go into the workforce

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<v Speaker 2>and you want to make a good impression, you want

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<v Speaker 2>to do the best job you can, and you have

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<v Speaker 2>a boss who treat you unfairly. Why is it? I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at this prep piece that my producer Marita gave

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<v Speaker 2>me today and it talked about how baby boomers, of

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<v Speaker 2>whom I'm in that generation sixty one percent of baby

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<v Speaker 2>Boomers would leave. They would leave their job if they

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<v Speaker 2>had a bad boss, which means thirty nine percent haven't

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<v Speaker 2>left their job. But amongst Millennials and gen Zers and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe even to something spell a little less under Gen

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<v Speaker 2>X so malayis Neils and gen Zers, seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 2>of seventy seven percent substantially more like twenty five percent

620
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<v Speaker 2>more would leave. Is that because of the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>they're younger and they they don't have as much invested

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<v Speaker 2>in a job, and maybe they have a family that

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<v Speaker 2>they have to support, or is it more something about

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<v Speaker 2>the generation that they're not going to tolerate it as

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<v Speaker 2>much as Baby Boomers have tolerated.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's two of the things, and they all

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<v Speaker 6>The third is they have more options. I'm also a

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<v Speaker 6>baby boomer, so was think about about when we started

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<v Speaker 6>our first job, it was it was a get with

631
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<v Speaker 6>a good company and hang on. I mean that was

632
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<v Speaker 6>kind of the advice. And you couldn't do a side

633
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<v Speaker 6>hustles or technology wasn't there to find another job more easily.

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<v Speaker 6>You really, you know, we just stayed where we were,

635
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<v Speaker 6>and it was frowned upon if you left a job

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<v Speaker 6>before like eight to ten years, and so we put

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<v Speaker 6>up with a lot more because we just It's just

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<v Speaker 6>it was sort of like, well, let's work, you're not

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<v Speaker 6>supposed to enjoy it. But at the same time, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>and I can hear boomers everywhere going, oh yeah, that's true.

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<v Speaker 6>But at the same time, when you look at the

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<v Speaker 6>stats on people who say that they are unhappy, disengaged,

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<v Speaker 6>dissatisfied at work, it hovers between sixty and seventy percent,

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<v Speaker 6>and it has for decades. So anybody who says, let's

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<v Speaker 6>go back to the way things were, let's get these

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<v Speaker 6>gen z to fall in line, and you know, it

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't that great. I mean that why are you trying

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<v Speaker 6>to send them back into the type of workforce that

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<v Speaker 6>was not only would not work today for a lot

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<v Speaker 6>of reasons. But it wasn't all that great because we

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<v Speaker 6>stuck around because we had to in most cases. And

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<v Speaker 6>like you said, there's all kinds of reasons why the

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<v Speaker 6>younger generations are saying. You know, I know, I'm not

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<v Speaker 6>going to put up with them. So these people that

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<v Speaker 6>I've been talking to, so here's the counsel I give them.

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<v Speaker 6>I say, Okay, why put together thoughts. Ye sit down

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<v Speaker 6>with your manager and communicate what it is that you

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<v Speaker 6>need to be successful in what you need from him

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<v Speaker 6>or her, at least start there instead of just running

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<v Speaker 6>off to a new job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But you know, it's unfair almost, And I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's good advice, but it's almost unfair because at that

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<v Speaker 2>point you're putting the onus of adulthood on the young

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<v Speaker 2>employee as opposed to person who should carry that burden,

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<v Speaker 2>the person who, at some point, because they're a boss,

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<v Speaker 2>must have come up through the rags. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just well.

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<v Speaker 6>Companies don't do a good job of training people or

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<v Speaker 6>promoting the right people. It's just assumed because you're the

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<v Speaker 6>best engineer, you'll be the best boss. And those are

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<v Speaker 6>two completely different jobs, and so a lot of that

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<v Speaker 6>really falls with the organization, and they also need to

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<v Speaker 6>act more quickly. But I've been in situations where the

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<v Speaker 6>entire department quits complaining about the boss and the bosses

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<v Speaker 6>boss does that they're just a bunch of whiners, Like, really.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's two there's two bad bosses. There's a bad

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<v Speaker 2>boss and another bad boss who doesn't recognize the bad boss.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's why companies fail. And that's why and that's

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<v Speaker 2>why companies fail. You all to tell me about this

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<v Speaker 2>company's going out of business. This company's going out of business,

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<v Speaker 2>and and that's that's the key. Julie. I love to

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<v Speaker 2>have you on the show, and I really appreciate you

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<v Speaker 2>your You're clear, and you're passionate about you do what

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<v Speaker 2>you do. You must be a terrific boss.

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<v Speaker 6>I am thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll do it.

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<v Speaker 6>We'll do time number four again.

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<v Speaker 2>Soon, absolutely, Julie. How can folks get in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>your group if they feel that perhaps you could be

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<v Speaker 2>of some value to them, and I'm sure they do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the easiest way to get in touch?

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<v Speaker 6>The website is the Balkie Group b a u k E.

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<v Speaker 6>Thebalkiegroup Dot com I'm on LinkedIn, but also my socials

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<v Speaker 6>on Instagram and TikTok or.

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<v Speaker 3>Julie on the job sounds great.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie on the job, Well, you did the job tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Julie. We'll talk again in the very near future.

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<v Speaker 2>Appreciate it. When we get back, we're going to look

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<v Speaker 2>back ten years at the market Basket, the Dilemma of

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<v Speaker 2>the market Basket that sprang up from the ashes like

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<v Speaker 2>a phoenix. It is now, in my opinion, the best

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<v Speaker 2>grocery store in New England in terms of value and

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of service and in terms of everything. And

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<v Speaker 2>I just wish they were more near us. We'll talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it with a business school professor from MIT's Sloan

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<v Speaker 2>Business School. We'll be back right after the nine o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>news on Nightside