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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsiko's I am Dana Valley coming at

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you with mister mort Yensen of the NBA Podcast, fame

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of Yahoo Sports, fame of Sports, fame of just general

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celebrity Internet and Filter has a million plus subscribers on OnlyFans. Yes,

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at least, yeah, at least yeah. I mean, you know what,

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I'm not a sture to refresh your page. I'm not

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the different tiers in bands, so that makes it tough

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to see how many of you have mort anyone who

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knows Now it's crossover week here at the NBA Podcast

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in Hardwood Knock's always a fun time of the month,

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especially for Grant, who's like, I don't have to talk

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to Dan as much does. He gets so excited.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you want to join and he's like, oh,

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are you gonna be on it? I was like, well yeah,

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and he was like no, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, what he doesn't tell you is she actually

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pays me to take these.

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Speaker 1: We're clearly making too much off of this podcast of

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his half has the will income necessary to write before you.

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We're gonna talk about though, the NBA trade deadline one

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month ish, since we're a couple of days past the

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one month mark later, which just a good time to

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do it one month. See how these bigger names, or

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some of the more consequential deals, how those are panning out.

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Sorry to New Orleans Pelicans and Raptors fans, like, there

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just hasn't been enough fallout from your deal. Had brandon

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Ingram done more than sign an extension, maybe we would

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have tackled both ends of the spectrum. But before we

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get started, the most important question we will ask on

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this podcast, how the heck are you doing more?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. I'm doing well. There's I was just

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told that we're finally going ahead to redoing my office

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a little bit, because it's been like every time I

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go on webcam here, I feel bad because my entire

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situation behind me looks like I'm a hermit, which just

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like puts everything into one place and never does anything

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with it. But we've had so much issue just getting

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stuff into our place and buying the right cupboards and whatnot.

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Things are looking up, Dan, So within the month, we're

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finally going to get the hang of my office to

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the point where I can actually feel presentable it's nice

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Speaker 1: Because the finished product is just going to be wall

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floor to ceiling mirrors and then you will podcast in

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the nude. Is that like the.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be the very very exciting backdrop of a

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major closet, which I've had endless fights with my wife about.

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But obviously she prevailed that's fine. I say, it's fine.

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It's not, but it is fine for the sake of

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my marriage. So I'll just have to accept that the

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backdrop is going to be a very boring ass closet

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and if it excites you, yes, I will take my

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damn shirt off. It's fine.

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Speaker 1: It's funny you're fighting with your wife. I fought with

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my wife over the weekend because I said, after Nuggets

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thunder on Sunday, I said to her, I was like,

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why don't you love me with the intensity that Nuggets

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fans go to bat for Nicole jokicch for MVP. Right.

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She looked at me this like look of discuss washed

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I was going to vote for SGA. And now we're

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in the middle of divorce proceedings. There's just an innocuous question.

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I haven't made my MVP pick yet. I thought that

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was I thought it was a totally over the top response.

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But here we are.

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Speaker 2: That's fair. That's fair. Look look that that is the tree.

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Maybe those that question should actually can be included when

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you give your vows, like or when the minister is

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like setting everything up, like will you cherish this person

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as much as demmer Nuggets fans like their affection to

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Nicola Jokic, And if the answer is like, maybe it's

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not good enough. Sorry, you know what.

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Speaker 1: To be fair, this isn't an I saw a nugget.

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is just like I want someone to defend me with

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the intensity that fan and like their MVP pick. That's

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basically what This isn't enough. I mean, this isn't Nuggets.

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from Thunder fans and media as well. So I just want,

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Speaker 2: It's nice, like you gotta feel cozy. I think if

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you have someone fighting for you like that and just

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give you that amount of love too, like you, you

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you'd be bulletproof mentally bulletproof going through the day.

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and go check out More's Mort's piece on Somebody. He

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talks a lot about a lot of these deals a

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month later on Yahoo Sports, so go check that out

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as well. But we will begin right the hell now,

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we begin with the Atlanta Hawks. Key additions Terris Lavert,

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Terrence Man, George Yang, key subtractions, Bo, Doug Bardanovich, and

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the easy one here to focus on. I was not

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kind to them at the trade deadline. How are you

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feeling about them, about any of these specific guys one month?

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Speaker 2: One month later, I'm feeling better because, like you, I

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and I thought, in particular the Hunter trade was puzzling

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because it seemed like something clicked. I'm still not in

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love with it. I'm still not to the point where

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that point where, Okay, Karas Lavert and George and Yang

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efficiency right now that makes you kind of okay ish

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with it for now. It could get ugly down the line, though,

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so I'm not necessarily ready to say, oh, this was

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brilliant for Atlanta, but at least I'll give them this.

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It's working out right now in terms of their individual

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production at the very least.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, George Yang's been shooting the hell out

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of the ball and absurd volume from three. I think

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Karas Lavert it's only been had like thirty percent on

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catching shoot threes, but shooting over fifty percent on drives.

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of what they're trying to build here more so than

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Hunter and Bogdanovich, I do think clear it's clear the

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way of you even more minutes for Reeseche, who's been

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shooting really well from three since the trade deadline, I

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stuff you like, like they've gotten some really good run

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but like they don't feel big enough or dynamic enough

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on the front court just now. But I think if

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trying to surround Trey with a bunch of defensive optionality,

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which I guess would make a ton of sense. And

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then the key there is kind of finding the secondary

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ball handler that can fit within that. Uh maybe Lavert

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when he plays without Trey right now, which is a

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pretty big deal getting smoked on defense during those minutes,

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though I don't know that. I guess I feel a

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little bit better about it. Now. They have a ton

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of room under the tax leading into next season forty

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plus million dollars. They have to resign. Their only key

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free agent is Lavert, so that money is you know,

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they'll have plenty of wiggle room, I guess, is the point.

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from next year, maybe that factors into this. It just

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sort of I don't like there there even since the trademark,

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their tenth in offense and twenty fifth in defense, and

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like three point shooting has been floating a lot of

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that offensive structure. This is just a team where like

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outlines of what they're doing, but I don't really still

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understand their just direction full fold. And I think the

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offseason will probably be pretty telltale of that. Not the

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least of which, as both you and I have mentioned

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a bunch of times before, Trey Young just has the

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one more guarantee year left on his deal before free agency,

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and so if they think that they're going to keep him,

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and that's what I don't know if you read on

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the trade deadline, was this even just looking at the

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setup of their roster with you know, prioritizing someone like

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man you have Dice and Daniels Resiche, it does seem

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to me that they're really trying to make it work

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with Trey Young long term. Do you do you have

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that type of read from them at all, Like from

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the trade deadline, I think.

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first priority like with a bullet, but I think he

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is in their long term plans. It felt like to

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me this was a move that kind of was tailored

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around Jalen Johnson and Risa Cha moving forward, because I

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do think those are their two most bendable building blocks,

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like you can slide them up and down multiple positions.

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they're trying to do is basically say, Okay, let's let's

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make sure that we have guys who can produce at

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a certain level around these very these two very all

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around level guys in Richoche and Jalen Johnson, and then

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we have Trey Young as are not quite you know,

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super elite quarterback, but like a quarterback who's good enough

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to get you into the playoffs. And let's let's just

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hope basically that the further evolution of Dyson Daniels, the

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further evolution of Unego Kongbu, of Risha Chey himself, of

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that matter, that's enough to take you up a level.

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into the summer with a very open mindset in terms

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of making roster alterations. I don't think they're done whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: If you were to keep quickly before we move on,

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if they want to keep say the bones of this

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team in place, what do you think ends up being

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their bigger need. Is it to kind of get like

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a more of a front court upgrade, probably at the

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five over in a Cungou Capella type setup, or is

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it would it be like the secondary playmaker route who

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doesn't compromise your defense, which LeVert is like he filled

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that role in Cleveland. He can't, so in theory he

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could be able to fill that role, but he is

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a free agent. What do you think becomes more pressing

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Speaker 2: To me? You said it the center spot. So like

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I have admitted this for the past couple of months

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because I was one of those guys who spent two

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years banging the drum that hey On Yachokungou was just

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too productive, too good to not start. But at the

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end of the day, he's six 's eight, and the

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league has pivoted back towards size. Capella is getting older,

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he's he's very limited in what he can do. You know,

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he's very He's a strong defender, he's a good rebounder,

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outside of those three elements, there's not a lot to

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at this stage, so you're looking at giving Okongo a

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six to eighth center more minutes, which kind of negates

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the size advantage that you have in Johnson and Rische Like,

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need to make sure that you're big upfront. So I

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think center is the most pressing issue for them. They

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can find Karis Laverte types in free agency, like they

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can go out and make those signings within like the

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mL feels like I haven't. I have not yet looked

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at their roster and like what they're projected to do

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next year, like financially, if they can actually afford the

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non tax emily If they can, and I think you

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can find someone like him, you can try to resign

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him at at a lower deal. The center position to

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you're trying to upgrade from what's a really good player,

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it's just that good. I think that they have limitations

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where it's you know, like use a Kungou Niang minutes

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league average defensive rebounding team during those stretches and a

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lot of those minutes are coming with you mentioned them,

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Rees Daniel, So you are getting good positional size elsewhere

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and it's not enough to offset it. And so I

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think I would be with you there, especially because you

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say they could find Karros Lavert types. They might just

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have Karros Lavert like yeah, Avert money that they won't.

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Speaker 2: Sorry you cut you fell out a little bit at

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the end. Were you asking me a question?

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Speaker 1: No, it was just more rhetorical, like where you said

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they can find Karroslvert Laverse type elsewhere, but it's they

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have Karros Lvert and who's gonna come in over the

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top in free agency? And like give all this money

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to Karris Lavert given that if they're not willing to

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pay him non tax payer mL money, then then like

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we can have a different discussion, and that would lead

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to some you know, like more wholesale inquiries into their direction.

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So I agree with you that I think it's the

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front court. But it feels very weird to say because

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a Congo is so good and like he's held up

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playing over thirty minutes per game since the trade deadline,

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so expanding his role has been fine. But I do

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think they're always going to be there's like kind of

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a cap on their defense. If if this is gonna

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be your because even look, replace George and Yang with

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Jalen Johnson, like you're gonna sell a lot of the

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same limitations because Jalen Johnson is not the greatest defender either.

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Speaker 2: M question before we move on, do you think there's

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a world where in Kobe Buffkin comes in next year

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and it's actually that Karslavert type player.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I just we haven't seen enough of

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him and so he needs to stay healthy. And then

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like what is going to be your stomach for development

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at that level where it's okay, we have someone who's

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techically two years into his career but hasn't played a

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ton I like Kobe Buffin coming out of the draft

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as someone who like play will play hard defensively, can

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kind of be more of a steward on the offensive end,

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not like a capslock playmaker, but maybe make some shots

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get to the rim. But we just haven't we haven't

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seen that, like with any em ones of consistency at

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the NBA level.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's only twenty seven games played over the course

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of his career, but that that would that to me,

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would be like a major boom for them, Like if

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he comes in and gives you that off the bench hunch,

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both in terms of like playmaking, scoring, defensive intensity, like

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if he comes in and it's actually like a six

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man caliber player, and let's say he is that even

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after you've re signed Laverte as well, all of a

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sudden you have a trade piece. All of a sudden

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you can make additional moves.

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Speaker 1: And also just the secondary playmaking stuff like if you

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have enough spacing, Dyson Daniels can do some of that.

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year and there were some growing bans with his ball handling,

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but they might just like he is their second best,

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put someone on the ball to either score or make decisions,

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Like he's their second best player at doing that right now,

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even though he's not playing. Maybe Lavert has the edge

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a little bit in that department, but you probably just say, well,

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we'll piece meal together with Buffkin and Daniels and like

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maybe rees I can do more with that in addition

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to LeVert and and Johnson. Next up on the docket

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in the alphabet is Mort's Chicago Bulls. We assign possession

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of the Chicago Bulls to Mort on this podcast all

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the time. For anyone who's watching, he's he's flipping off

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someone who's not me. I don't know who it's. They

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must be off camera. Key additions more Kevin Herder, Zach Collins,

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Trey Jones, key subtractions, Zach Lavine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well look, this was always a god awful trade.

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I understand why the Kings and Sons wow the spurs

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of just the word in Chicago, because they knew they

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could dump those contracts. I will say this, Sack Collins

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has actually played pretty decently. Kevin Herder as well, for

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that matter, Like it hasn't been you know, Sack Lavine

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level production from any of them, but it's been you know,

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Trey Jones has played probably to the extent that I

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expected because he's always been pretty solid. It's always low

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volume with him, but he's perfectly capable of running the show.

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Herder's playing off of everyone like he's not hitting a

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whole lot overall, but he is hitting the three ball. Finally,

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Sack Collins is the big one for me. So I

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wrote about this over at Forbes. Basically, the Bulls have

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now been given somewhat fortunately a chance to do something

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with that contract, which was otherwise going into the summer

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as just like a big lumping nothing. Now you can

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actually go into the summer and say, look, if you're

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interested in a Sack Collins, we have some data on him.

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Because he wasn't playing in San Antonio. The spurs extended

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to him, and you kind of realized shortly after, like, oh,

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there's actually no reason to do that because he doesn't

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fit alongside Wemby. Now with Nikola Vucevich out, he's been

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given a lot of minutes and he's producing at typical

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Sat Collins fashion thirteen points, almost nine rebounds. He's playmaking,

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he's hitting the three ball, like you can actually go

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out if you're the Bulls and shop him. Now, knowing

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the Bulls, you'll probably do it too late and you'll

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end up with the cruso. You know. Josh Getty kind

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of returned there. But at least it gives him some

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optionality that I don't think they had before. So for

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the Bulls is probably better than we thought. Still it

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greaches all the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Kevin Herd her stuffs, but he just

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has such like low lows. Now he's only shooting thirty

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percent on catching shoot threes. He's done a lot of

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his damage efficiently off of pull ups, like thirty nine

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plus percent there. Since the trade, Zach Collins has been

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weirdly okay, Like you said, they've won his minutes, shooting

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like seventy five percent at the rim, fifty six percent

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on twos that are in the paint but away from

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the restricted area. I just I think I think with

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Herder people still kind of undervalue like the ability to

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maybe reboot his value if you want an expiring contract

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or even if you're just trying to increase your flexibility

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moving forward. It's not about like getting off of longer term, like,

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you get Kevin Herder, who might be a useful player

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for you, and also the Bulls could probably use him

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if you're just looking at like even if you're rebuilding,

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I think the skill set that I would overpay the

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most or assign the most veteran value to as part

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of a rebuilding team is good shooters, and I think

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Kevin Herder can still get there. To that point, I

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think I look at their trade deadline, though less favorably

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than I did in the moment, because the zach Lavine

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return was the zach Levine return. It just seems like

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he was owed too much money and the way that

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the league is and teams are reticent of the acquiring

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these big contracts in the new Aprons era. But like,

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how is that the only thing you did? And I

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like Matus Buzzellis is playing a ton appreciate that. I

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think Nikolo Vucevich, like his minutes can be pro tank

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when he's healthy. Yeah, my whle thing is just how

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is that the only thing you did? In hindsight, it

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beats me.

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Speaker 2: I am in full agreement with you. I mean, look

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the fact that the Crowning Return was getting their twenty

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twenty five draft pick back when they could have bought

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him out and make sure that they kept it regardless.

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That to me is again it shows a front office

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that is lacking in imagination.

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Speaker 1: I think my only counter to that, but this would

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still be on the front office is if you kind

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of look what's going on in the East, even if

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they attempted to bottom out, they might just still fall

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ask backwards into the play in tournament, and so having

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control of that pick inshores they get to keep it.

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At the same time, had this organization been run properly,

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they never would have been in a situation where they

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let's say they overachieved, they wouldn't have like they didn't

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need to get to this point where we might too

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many games or stumble into the play and like you

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could have made up rebuilding or tanking ground. However you

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want to frame it u earlier, which you should have.

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So is there very quickly any of these players, I

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guess it's Zach Collins of the three, Like you just

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feel maybe a lot better about like with them since

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the trade is that where you were basically not for

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the ball.

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Speaker 2: No. I just think I like the fact that they

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now have a player who I think has been Upton

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value a little bit compared to what his value was perceived, as.

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Speaker 1: He's definitely been better for them than he was for

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san Antonio. Next team on the board, I think we're

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gonna say a lot more kinder things about the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Key addition, nobody right, no key addition, DeAndre Hunter, key subtractions,

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Karras Lavert, George Niang before I throw it to you,

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I think one of the things that deserves more praise

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than it has gotten is the Cavs' decision. I know

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we all thought it was like a pretty good trade,

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but to shake things up when they were still rolling

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to the point where it's okay, you're gonna have the

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one seed in the East, you're one of the best

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teams in the league. It would have been very easy

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and defensible by the way to just stan pat And

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not only did they not do that, but like you

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go after someone who, Okay, DeAndre Hunter hasn't started a

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ton of games, but like he is a prominent part

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of what you're doing. Like, it was a real shakeup,

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And so I commend them for having the gall to

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look at themselves and say, you know what, we're amazing.

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We're gonna roll the dice on trying to be even

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better than that.

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Speaker 2: You know who I commend. I commend DeAndre Hunter for

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an entirely different reason as well. He was going through

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a breakout year. He was taking more shots, he was

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more aggressive on the floor, like he was basically finally

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coming into his own Like I would understand the motivation

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of a player getting traded mid season of a breakout

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to come into that new team and say no, no, no,

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I'm not losing this momento. I'm still gonna jack shots.

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He has been just a pillar of team oriented play

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coming to Cleveland. Like he takes open shots, He'll take

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open driving lanes and get to the cup. But he's

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not forcing anything. Like I wouldn't have blamed him if

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he came in and was like, no, no, I got

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to look out for my stats. I got to look

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out for me. I need to get up to that

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eighteen nineteen points. But this dude just embraced this winning culture.

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Who's like, yeah, I'm gonna ingrain myself in the right way.

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My my personal belief in DeAndre Hunter coming into this

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season before we knew of the breakouts now, just the

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fact that we saw him break out first and foremost,

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and now we're seeing this total team buy in. Like

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I would refuse to hear anyone call him an overpaid

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player again at this point right now, He's not. He's

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just not. He is a major acid.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would echo everything you said there fifty threes

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since being in Cleveland, and they've used him a lot

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where we haven't actually seen a ton of him with

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the four other starters, they've only logged forty possessions together,

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and they're killing it during that time because of course,

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but so they're basically using him in a lot of

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one of those one big setups. They are plus twenty

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point four points per one hundred posessions with DeAndre Hunter

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as the loan big and notably here too, and like

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it's coming to span when Evan Mobley's three point shooting

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is cooled off shootings, everyone was shooting seventy one percent

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on twos when DeAndre Hunter's on the floor next to him,

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like with no other big, they've opened up. Like I

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know their offense was good to begin with, it's been

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their first and offense since the trade deadline. Second in defense,

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they haven't lost yet since the trade deadline. This team

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is if if there were any holdouts on whether they're

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a contender or not, like it's time to stop holding

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out there. So and the other thing too with Hunter,

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like he's been I think he's done exactly what they

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needed defensively, and so like we're working with small sample

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sizes because they've only played a game against the Celtics.

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On possessions in which DeAndre Hunter has guarded Jason Tatum,

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the defense is allowing point four to six points per possession.

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Flip it to Jalen Brown, the defense as a team

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again allowing point nine to three points per possession. Like that,

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00:23:09,319 --> 00:23:12,759
he's gonna be a very, very valuable body in the playoffs.

475
00:23:12,799 --> 00:23:14,599
And I know that Luca was traded. I know that

476
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,119
there were some bigger names traded, but there's a chance

477
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:21,960
that this is the guy who warps the championship discussion

478
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,599
or outcome maybe more than anybody else who is traded

479
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:29,839
at the deadline. Yep, I think big time w from

480
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:31,279
the Cavs, who by the way, did not give up

481
00:23:31,279 --> 00:23:33,240
an actual first round pick to get him either. As

482
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,279
another big deal here another team. More, I don't really

483
00:23:36,319 --> 00:23:40,599
know what you're gonna say about the Dallas Mavericks here like, oh.

484
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, at least Anthony Davis looked awesome in his

485
00:23:45,640 --> 00:23:47,079
one game for the franchise.

486
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,559
Speaker 1: Just like the poetic I don't want to say it's

487
00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,880
poetic justice, but just like the forma of making that

488
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,680
trade and then having Anthony Davis get injured in the

489
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,519
first game for the Mavericks, it really sucks for a

490
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,640
d but it's man. Nico Harrison and I just look,

491
00:24:04,839 --> 00:24:06,880
Max Christie's looked really good for them too. We could

492
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,559
at least say that.

493
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 2: We can say that, but but can we also like,

494
00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:13,599
here's the thing to me, Like, obviously everyone's gonna talk

495
00:24:13,599 --> 00:24:18,480
about the Luca trade. They also severely fumbled the Quinton

496
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:19,240
Crimes trade.

497
00:24:19,839 --> 00:24:22,359
Speaker 1: That too, Well, did you see the reporting that he

498
00:24:22,559 --> 00:24:28,680
asked for the trade, because okay, I didn't see it

499
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,400
at first either. It was related to us in our discord.

500
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,240
There's another reminder, that's why you should be in our discord.

501
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:32,880
Mort What the fuck?

502
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really should. Yes, I have the time, obviously,

503
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,480
I only work eighty hours a week. Yes, I'll come to.

504
00:24:39,599 --> 00:24:43,799
Speaker 1: Well that's it, you've cut down. Congrats. So he apparently

505
00:24:43,839 --> 00:24:46,359
asked for a trade in the fallout of what happened

506
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,440
with Luca is how that's being framed. And I just

507
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,519
find that funny that the Luca Doncies fell out began immediately,

508
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,839
whereas players are looking at this organization and saying, what

509
00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,720
the fuck is going on here? So they did fumble it.

510
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,119
I'm not saying like this doesn't give them any cover

511
00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,359
at all, but no, mayd honestly look even worse.

512
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,759
Speaker 2: I mean, and that's a restricted free agent too, Like

513
00:25:10,799 --> 00:25:13,400
he's like, think about it, if he went to a

514
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,279
team where he wouldn't play, for example, he would have

515
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,400
just murdered his own contract value. So this guy's was

516
00:25:20,559 --> 00:25:24,440
This guy, apparently, as I'm just learning right now, was

517
00:25:24,519 --> 00:25:27,400
so determined to get out of that situation. And he

518
00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:30,559
was like, oh, screw the fact that I'm a restricted

519
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:33,960
free agent, I'm just gonna I'm just not gonna stay here,

520
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,920
Like he would have had an open path to like

521
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,359
twenty points per game. He could even have improved his

522
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,519
own kid by staying with the mask.

523
00:25:41,559 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: And he was like, well, nope, nope, maybe not because

524
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,799
so I guess even if you assume that, yeah, there

525
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,119
definitely would have been more opportunity there, because you couldn't

526
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,519
have predicted that Anthony Davis and Kyrie Irving would both

527
00:25:51,519 --> 00:25:54,400
get injured. But you also could have predicted that Anthony

528
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,240
Davis would have been out at some point and the

529
00:25:56,279 --> 00:26:00,799
offense needed right more options. Now, if you are Quenton Grinds, though,

530
00:26:00,799 --> 00:26:02,480
if you just see what they did the Luca, even

531
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:04,799
if you think you up your value, you know how

532
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,000
valuable bird rights are and restricted free agency. Because no

533
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,640
one hands out offer sheets. You trust the Mavericks not

534
00:26:10,759 --> 00:26:14,960
to completely low ball you slash play hardball because I

535
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,160
don't think anyone is gonna want to even maybe some would,

536
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,559
would they tie up their non tax payer level exception

537
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,440
in a Quenton Grinds offer sheet. I don't know. I mean,

538
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:27,400
he looks like a genius after that look.

539
00:26:27,519 --> 00:26:30,519
Speaker 2: I I was high on him all year long. I

540
00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:32,680
know the Knicks fans speak into the punch when he

541
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,319
came into the league, like I'm not saying that that

542
00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,279
that they weren't on the ball there, but then he was.

543
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,480
He kind of became a journeyman and he was like

544
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,759
added additions to a train like he was he was

545
00:26:42,799 --> 00:26:45,960
a throw in. Like people sort of said all like

546
00:26:46,079 --> 00:26:49,640
this guy's never who you know who played for the Knicks.

547
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,680
This this he's done. I love how he's played in

548
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:57,119
Philly and it on a personal note, I take great

549
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,599
pleasure out of it because I don't like the way

550
00:26:59,839 --> 00:27:02,559
the MAVs handfled the post trade of Luke and like

551
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:04,720
it's one thing to go in a different direction, but

552
00:27:04,839 --> 00:27:08,440
to go on a two to three week Schmeer campaign

553
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:13,880
of fat shaming him and calling out like traditions and

554
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,000
like just how he is as a human being and

555
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,079
even alluding to issues. It's just it was so weak

556
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,960
that I greatly enjoyed watching them lose the Quentin Grimes

557
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,559
trade as well.

558
00:27:25,799 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 1: Absolutely uh and look it looks even worse because not

559
00:27:30,519 --> 00:27:32,400
only has Kla Martin not played, but like you needed

560
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,920
to adjust the parameters of the trade because the physical

561
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,440
was was so bad. But Max Christie is really what

562
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,839
should be the focus, Like the Mas lost the trade deadline.

563
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,079
It doesn't like it's what if you're any like something

564
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,200
that stood out to you about what he's doing. I've

565
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,559
definitely liked putting the ball on the floor and attacking

566
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,000
on drives more. I am curious and we're going to

567
00:27:51,039 --> 00:27:53,319
see more of this as the season goes on. I

568
00:27:53,319 --> 00:27:56,319
assume there's still limitations there as like an actual creator

569
00:27:56,319 --> 00:27:58,079
wherever You're gonna try and have him run pick and roll,

570
00:27:58,119 --> 00:27:59,720
which I assume his volumes up and it's going to

571
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,000
containe you to climb with all these injuries in Dallas,

572
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:06,160
I don't see it. Like and defensively still solid. I

573
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,799
still don't see if you're looking for him to be

574
00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:10,440
a more dynamic offensive player than maybe someone who can

575
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:14,079
hit threes, get his own offense going downhill, but not

576
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,799
do much more. I don't know if he has a

577
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,319
higher ceiling than that, but I will say I didn't

578
00:28:20,319 --> 00:28:22,079
think he was gonna play like that, like he became

579
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,240
the Lakers like go to perimeter defender by the end

580
00:28:24,279 --> 00:28:26,319
of his time there, So I never would have predicted

581
00:28:26,319 --> 00:28:26,960
that either.

582
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 2: I'll say as much though, and I'm I like Max Christie,

583
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,559
but I also think the superlatives have become a little

584
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,599
too aggressive, because I'm I'm just gonna reach you. His

585
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,640
last eight games all right, eight and a half points

586
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,319
per game, thirty four point seven percent shooting from the field. Overall,

587
00:28:48,359 --> 00:28:52,000
that's where we are. So he's falling back down to

588
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:55,039
earth to a point where you know, he showed this

589
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:58,599
leap on the radar immediately after being traded, which was

590
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,839
very encouraging, but I have taken note of the fact

591
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:07,319
that he has dropped down significantly since. So I'm like,

592
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,599
I don't want to put him in a situation where

593
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:13,400
I'm just praising him too hard so he goes into

594
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,279
like next season. Not that he would listen to what

595
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,599
I say at any point, but like, I just think

596
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:22,119
we shouldn't crown him too quickly here. We should perhaps

597
00:29:22,119 --> 00:29:25,880
acknowledge he had a good first leap of the radar

598
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:29,000
after he was traded, and now he has to find

599
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:29,640
his sea legs.

600
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:33,279
Speaker 1: I you know, I honestly think though that might come

601
00:29:33,319 --> 00:29:35,160
back to what I said, whereas he is so he

602
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,400
needs to be dependent on not just maybe others to

603
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,720
set him up with the threat of them. This is

604
00:29:39,759 --> 00:29:42,680
someone who on the year is in the eleventh percentile

605
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:46,000
of self created shot making efficiency, and I don't think

606
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:48,720
he's just not in the best situation to optimize himself.

607
00:29:48,759 --> 00:29:49,039
Speaker 2: Now.

608
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: The driving though, for that's been something that I've been like,

609
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:55,079
the volume of it and some of the finishes there

610
00:29:55,119 --> 00:29:57,319
that I've been fairly impressed with. So I found someone

611
00:29:57,359 --> 00:29:59,319
who's lower on me than Max CHRISTI that makes me

612
00:29:59,359 --> 00:30:04,200
excited let's talk Detroit Pistons. Mark go through all their

613
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,440
key subtractions at the deadline. Who did they lose that

614
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,759
They're just they're really missing.

615
00:30:09,079 --> 00:30:11,559
Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised that you brought up the Pistons because

616
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,160
you know, I get it. It's it's Lindy Waters. That's

617
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,240
why it's it's a homage to to Grant. I get it. No,

618
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,680
they got Dny Shorter in there. That was nice. Do

619
00:30:21,759 --> 00:30:28,559
I think this dramatically altered their season or their top

620
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:33,599
potential for this season? Not? Not specifically, No, I mean

621
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:37,720
Shorter has been fine ish.

622
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:41,119
Speaker 1: So can I counter that by saying I strongly disagree

623
00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,319
with basically everything you're saying, except Okay, Denis Shooter individually

624
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:47,720
has been fine. If not, if you were to look

625
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,039
at it in a vacuum, say well, maybe it's a

626
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,599
little disappointing. You added someone who helps you now without

627
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,359
having to take on any long term money or give

628
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:54,920
up as yeah.

629
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:55,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so.

630
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: You increase your ceiling while also then increasing your or

631
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,000
maintaining your ceiling for flexibility moving forward. The biggest difference

632
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,000
for me, though, when you watch the Pistons, kid Cunningham

633
00:31:07,039 --> 00:31:10,119
getting to play off the ball even more. We've seen

634
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
the share of his buckets that are coming off assists

635
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:16,559
go up dramatically. When he's playing with Dennis Shrewder mort

636
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,079
he is shooting fifty three percent on twos and forty

637
00:31:20,119 --> 00:31:24,440
seven percent on threes. Shrewter as someone if you're going

638
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,839
to play him without Kaid, he's going to struggle offensively himself.

639
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:30,400
But the Pistons have won those minutes mostly with defense,

640
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,319
some good three point shooting, and transition. I think that's fine.

641
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,480
So I think this is like a big deal to

642
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:38,960
have someone who can take the ball out of Caid's hands,

643
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,640
Like during your top end lineup minutes, you're in the

644
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,880
ninety nine percent tile of offense with the two of

645
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,920
them on the floor right now. So I think that

646
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,240
they've I guess the thing I would disagree with the most.

647
00:31:50,359 --> 00:31:53,440
I think they've probably materially changed their ceiling this year

648
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,720
because they see more dynamic with Kid on the floor.

649
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,480
And if you're talking about just eating innings during the

650
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,480
regular seat or trying to buy a little bit of

651
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,119
time in a playoff series, you have more competent non

652
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,559
cab lineups, And this is all like coincided with I

653
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,440
don't think Dennis Shuder has been a driving force of this,

654
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:13,400
but they have the league's best defense since the trade deadline.

655
00:32:13,599 --> 00:32:15,480
If you were sort of to nitpick where they feel

656
00:32:15,839 --> 00:32:19,279
still offensively like vulnerable, they're like bottom five and turnover

657
00:32:19,319 --> 00:32:21,880
eight during this span in their defense. A lot of

658
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400
I think if their defense success excuse me, and I

659
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,000
don't think this has received enough attention. A lot of

660
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,160
it's like predicated on they need to be set, and

661
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,279
it's like if you're committing turnovers, like their defense is

662
00:32:31,319 --> 00:32:32,960
not going to be set, and they've been getting blasted

663
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,920
in those situations.

664
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,519
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. I think you raise some very

665
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:42,160
fair points there, especially because they didn't relinquish anything and

666
00:32:42,279 --> 00:32:45,480
you're play basically playing with house money in many ways.

667
00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:47,720
With Shorter, I think, to me, it's because I've seen

668
00:32:47,759 --> 00:32:51,599
this movie before. I generally do not trust any Shorter

669
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,359
unless it's like a feed of competition, because that just

670
00:32:55,359 --> 00:33:00,720
seems like that's where he's best wired. It seems to

671
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:06,640
me that in NBA context, he'll have these moments where

672
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,000
he goes in, has this positive influence for about fifteen

673
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,039
to twenty games, and all of a sudden, something just

674
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:18,920
kind of happens whether it's his intensity, it's his energy,

675
00:33:19,079 --> 00:33:21,759
it's his commitment, it's its devotion, whatever you want to

676
00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:26,000
call it, something slips. So I generally come into this

677
00:33:26,079 --> 00:33:29,160
with a much lower opinion of Dennis Schroeder than most

678
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,359
other people. I've also watched a ton of him just

679
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,039
kind of messing up the Terman national team. Like, I know,

680
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,640
they won the World Championship. I'm not going to sit

681
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,759
here and say they don't. But you have guys literally

682
00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:45,799
saying I'm not going to join the national team because

683
00:33:45,839 --> 00:33:49,480
he's there. So like there are issues, like he has

684
00:33:49,599 --> 00:33:52,519
locker room issues as well. We've heard that ever since Atlanta,

685
00:33:53,119 --> 00:33:56,680
and some of these issues just persist on the national level.

686
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,920
So whenever I hear like the name Dannis Schroeder and

687
00:34:00,519 --> 00:34:05,640
upgrade in the same sentence, I'm just immediately like, for now, sure,

688
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,920
for now, it's fine. Ten games from now, fifteen games

689
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,360
from now, I guess.

690
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: I guess My point though, is even if Dennis Schreuder

691
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:17,400
is bad, the malleability it gives them to use Kate

692
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,079
Cunningham in different ways, even provide him in game breaks,

693
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840
and then it's yeah.

694
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 2: That and that's the one. That's that's the I actually

695
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,559
agree with you on that one, because you're right the

696
00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:30,039
fact that they don't have Jade and Ivy, for example,

697
00:34:30,159 --> 00:34:32,920
available because he's out for the year, then you need

698
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,400
someone else to handle the ball because who who else

699
00:34:35,559 --> 00:34:38,039
is out there to really do that on the perimeter, Like, yeah,

700
00:34:38,199 --> 00:34:41,480
Jalen Juran is a good passer, not necessarily from the perimeter,

701
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:44,280
Like he's a good interior pastor, like he'll find people

702
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:48,159
at the like at the elbow or in the post

703
00:34:48,199 --> 00:34:51,880
and whatnot. User Thompson has some potential as a playmaker,

704
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,360
but not quite there yet, Like who do you really

705
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,920
trust with the ball in his hands? A whole lot?

706
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,480
Like I personally, I probably would have tried out Marcus

707
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,800
Asser a little bit more, but I understand that he's younger,

708
00:35:05,119 --> 00:35:07,920
he's not at that level yet, and frankly he might

709
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,239
have been a little overrated based on what he did

710
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,079
last year. So you're kind of at a point where

711
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,679
it's totally fair to wonder who the hell is the

712
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,960
offense gonna flow through when it's not Kate.

713
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm gonna I'm excited to see them in

714
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,440
the playoffs, and they're like within striking distance of fourth

715
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,280
place in the East. Now it's this is just freaking

716
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,159
wild one of them. There's always like those big disconnects

717
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,480
for me, at least of impressions you have of a

718
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,599
team going into the season versus where they end up.

719
00:35:35,079 --> 00:35:36,920
This is going to be like if they finished I

720
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,519
don't know, like fifth or fourth in the East, this

721
00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,320
will be like one of the all time just biggest

722
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:41,840
disconnects that I've ever had.

723
00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:45,559
Speaker 2: I was hoping that they would actually end up with

724
00:35:45,679 --> 00:35:47,719
trade Jones at the trade A line. I was sitting

725
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,599
there hoping that they'd make like a play for him

726
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:52,239
after he came to Chicago, because then they could have

727
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,960
traded him as a singular contract. That was the player

728
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,760
I was looking for there for them, who I think

729
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,320
would have made a ton of sense'll do.

730
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,519
Speaker 1: Why do you trust him more? Why do you like

731
00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:04,559
him more than a Shrewder.

732
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 2: More more composed, more composed player? I think I think

733
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,440
he's far more disciplined in his game. I think he

734
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:17,239
is more intentional as well defensively, like he knows what

735
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440
he's going for. Yeah, he's short of stature, and I

736
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
know that that Schroder is quicker, like more athletic. In

737
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:26,280
that regard, Jones is stronger. I think he's smarter. I

738
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,840
think his screen navigation is significantly better. I like his

739
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,039
his his playmaking more as well. Like shorter you can

740
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,119
you can, you can sort of painted like this Schroeder

741
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,880
high end Schroder is a lot better than Trade Jones.

742
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:42,400
The question is to me, how often do we get

743
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,239
that version of Dinnis Shroeder, and I don't think it's

744
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,119
very often, whereas some with Trade Jones. I believe his

745
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,079
floor is fairly high, Like you get a level of

746
00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:54,800
consistency there from game to game that you won't necessarily

747
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,519
get with Dennis ten or fifteen games. That's fair.

748
00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: I was rooting for them to get a shooter because

749
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,119
I pitched it so much on the podcast, Oh nicely,

750
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:05,199
That's why I was rooting for them to.

751
00:37:05,199 --> 00:37:08,639
Speaker 2: Get that sure fair congratulations then thank you.

752
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: Congratulations to the Golden State Warriors who traded for Jimmy

753
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:16,000
Butler and who knew putting good players around Steph Curry

754
00:37:16,639 --> 00:37:18,679
can go a long way. There no no offense to

755
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,480
Andrew Wiggins, but there was a lot of the amount.

756
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:25,360
I'm not the type of people who would basically subscribe

757
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,760
to the thought process of people forgot who Jimmy Butler

758
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,639
was but the pretzel twisting that went into trying to

759
00:37:30,679 --> 00:37:33,519
prove why Andrew Wiggins would be more valuable to Golden

760
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:37,079
State than Andrew Wiggins. Why Jimmy Butter be less riable

761
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:38,639
to Golden State than Andrew Wiggins. I just can never

762
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,239
get behind. And they've look, they have Jimmy Butler. They'

763
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,599
of course lost Kyle Anderson, Denis Shooter, Andrew Wiggins can't

764
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,280
forget Lindy Waters. The third either would have been your

765
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,119
impressions of the Jimmy Butler experience in Golden State so far.

766
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 2: It's been when I think most of us anticipated that

767
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,960
here comes the guy who is an extraordinarily gifted to

768
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:01,519
a player, and youre giving that to Steph Curry to

769
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:03,679
wrap up the last couple of years of his career.

770
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,039
Like you're making them competitive? Do we think it's, you know,

771
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:14,000
championship level competitive. I hesitate to go that far, but

772
00:38:14,199 --> 00:38:16,159
you're at least getting a guy in there now who

773
00:38:16,199 --> 00:38:18,960
is the secondary playmaker who gets you to the free

774
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,039
throw line, which, if memory serves, the last one who

775
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:25,760
could really do that at great lengths was Kevin Durbrant,

776
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:27,000
and not the.

777
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:30,199
Speaker 1: Same like you want like rim pressure too, like write

778
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,400
your shot profile a little bit like they've when's the

779
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,360
last time like Johnathan Aminga comes close, But it's just

780
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,760
not nearly as dynamic as you know who it is.

781
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 2: It's Cory mcghetty.

782
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: That's that is a throwback name.

783
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's that's probably the last time they had

784
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,840
a guy that good at actually just getting to the

785
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:51,960
foul line. So so it's like we're not breaking news here.

786
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:55,400
Jimmy Butler coming onto this team was was good for them.

787
00:38:55,519 --> 00:38:58,679
The fact that he's like he's actually struggling with his

788
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,119
shots a little bit, and and that only gives me

789
00:39:01,159 --> 00:39:04,760
even more, you know, reasons to be optimistic moving forward,

790
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:07,159
because if there's a guy who will always find a way,

791
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:11,079
it's Jimmy. We know this, We've seen that historically. So

792
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,960
when his shooting percentages are going to increase and when

793
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,639
he like feels a little bit more relaxed in that system,

794
00:39:19,119 --> 00:39:21,920
more comfortable, I could definitely see them level up a

795
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,760
little bit more. Again, I really hesitate to like call

796
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,039
them a championship contenter over the next couple of years.

797
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,480
Maybe they surprised me. I am not there, but I

798
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:35,199
do think they're like the super low.

799
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 1: So I have them. I wouldn't have them as Tier one,

800
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,400
but like, I probably view them as close to as

801
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,760
like as like they're on the Knicks Nuggets tier.

802
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 2: Like.

803
00:39:44,599 --> 00:39:46,639
Speaker 1: I think they're a contender. If honestly, if you made

804
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:49,519
me rank my top five contenders, they probably come out

805
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,440
like I have. It'd be Denver, OKAC, Cleveland, and Boston

806
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,639
in some order for the top four. I probably have

807
00:39:54,679 --> 00:39:58,000
Golden State fifth. Right now. I think I would echo

808
00:39:58,039 --> 00:40:00,079
most of what you said. It's been interesting too, like

809
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:03,239
they've played generally so well with him, and you mentioned

810
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,599
him struggling within his shot. There's just been games where

811
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:08,239
feels like he's settling and not getting to the basket

812
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:10,559
as much and taking shots that you don't necessarily even

813
00:40:10,559 --> 00:40:13,159
want him to take. You have to imagine that that's

814
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:16,320
not gonna be every single game. And I think you

815
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,079
mentioned the free throw stuff. They are second in free

816
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:21,519
throw attempt rade since the Jimmy Butler trade. They're in

817
00:40:21,519 --> 00:40:24,639
the ninety nine percent tile of generating free throws when

818
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,440
Jimmy Butler's on the floor. That is just the dynamic

819
00:40:27,559 --> 00:40:30,159
of this team where he's going to be even when

820
00:40:30,159 --> 00:40:32,360
he's not at his best, probably give you a more

821
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:36,360
consistent floor on offense and even defense than a Jonathan Kaminga.

822
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,599
And I think, look, this is big. I know it

823
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:40,559
may not matter as much in the playoffs, but you

824
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:42,800
know what, at the same time, small samples matter in

825
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,159
the postseason even more because of how short the postseason is.

826
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,480
They are destroying opponents. When Jimmy Butler plays without Steph

827
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,159
Curry right now plus seventeen per one hundred, that is

828
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:55,639
an element. There were points during the Kevin Durant era

829
00:40:55,679 --> 00:40:58,000
where like those numbers were still even murky. So to

830
00:40:58,039 --> 00:41:00,400
have someone in Jimmy Butler who gets there's you the

831
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,440
ability to get Steph braks by one displacing him from

832
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,880
the ball even more when he's playing, but to actually

833
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,039
navigate minutes without him, I don't know that we can

834
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,800
overstate the importance of that, and the reason I would

835
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,880
be hesitant if I was to try and undermine my

836
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,559
own point to loop them in as a title contender.

837
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,920
And I don't actually mean this as disrespect to Jonathan Kaminga.

838
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,480
How does this all work out when he's playing a

839
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,079
bigger role? Can he and Jimmy both be plug in

840
00:41:27,119 --> 00:41:31,039
play at the same time when you're gonna have Draymond

841
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,079
or like another big on the court and so you're

842
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:36,599
not gonna have that spacing. I am way more optimistic

843
00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:38,719
about it though than I was, just based off how

844
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,480
well they've performed since the trade deadline. And look, part

845
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,440
of that is Quintin Post being able to open up

846
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,440
the floor for minutes, but like that matters. Getting Brandon

847
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,079
pujemski Is three point percentages is now dipped, but he's

848
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:53,000
been playing better since he came back from injury. I

849
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:56,400
think that this team, I don't know more, there's just

850
00:41:56,440 --> 00:41:59,119
something here, and I framed it as at the time

851
00:41:59,159 --> 00:42:01,480
of the trade, they've definitely increased their lightning in a

852
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:04,519
bottle potential and I'm not even saying they found it.

853
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:08,559
I think that they've they've elevated their floor in the

854
00:42:08,559 --> 00:42:11,239
playoff conversation, I think a lot more than even optimists

855
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:14,639
like myself said they would at the time of the deal.

856
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: Before the season, did you ever think you'd make like

857
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:22,320
a legitimate Quintin Post point about like an NBA team, Like,

858
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,920
oh yeah, like his spacing opens up. It just came

859
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:27,960
out of nowhere. I love that.

860
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, even Key Santo's like giving him a

861
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:33,639
good minutes. So like I did not think, I probably

862
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:36,159
could have predicted I'd be mentioning Key Santo's at some point,

863
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,360
just because I had I have a track record of him.

864
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:41,320
But Quinton Post, no, no, I would have been if

865
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:42,840
someone would have mentioned that to me, I would have

866
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,239
I try to not be condescending when I disagree, but

867
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,519
I easily would have laughed someone off. You know, keep

868
00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:49,639
an eye on Quinton Post.

869
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 2: It's fantastic. I love I love those success success stories.

870
00:42:53,679 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: And by the way, just the value going out because

871
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,159
we're gonna get into the heat in a second, perfectly

872
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,519
reasonable value for Jimmy Butler because I Dennis Shuter like

873
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,960
to then use his salary as part like it. Maybe

874
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,440
you could have cut out a step had you said, like, oh,

875
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,400
let's not give up three seconds for Dennis Shooter and

876
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:10,639
make this trade. But like Detroit was just willing to

877
00:43:10,639 --> 00:43:12,760
take Dennis Shooter, they wouldn't have been able to do

878
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,559
that with danfey Melton because he's injured for the rest

879
00:43:14,559 --> 00:43:17,000
of the year. And I think Wiggins was good for

880
00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:20,679
this team. But what Jimmy Butler gives you on offense, specifically,

881
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,239
is just so much more dynamic, even if you like

882
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,760
Andrew Wiggins at this point better as your primary on

883
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,519
ball defender.

884
00:43:27,159 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: One final question before we move on, what do we

885
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,360
make of Tray Saction Davis his future moving forward? I

886
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,320
can't figuring him out. We're one hundred and twenty games

887
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,000
into his career now, I'm still I can't figuring him out. Dan.

888
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,199
Speaker 1: I so part of me thinks that he's gonna need

889
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,920
to be on a team that has better spacing in

890
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,480
the front court if he's ever gonna make like a

891
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:50,960
true impact. But I also just think that stuff with

892
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:52,440
him is going to come and go, and he'll have

893
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,199
these small burths when you look at his size and

894
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,159
where he's best suited positionally. So he sort of like

895
00:43:58,199 --> 00:44:01,039
he has a lot of different skills that are worth plumbing.

896
00:44:01,519 --> 00:44:03,199
But I don't know that he's ever gonna have a

897
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,800
like a skill set that you can market him for.

898
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 2: No, He's he's extremely like when you think about it, right,

899
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,679
you know, excellent shot blocker, high efficiency player. He really

900
00:44:14,679 --> 00:44:16,719
knows when to like take the right shots. Like, for

901
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,239
fox sakes, he shot seventy percent from the field in

902
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,679
his rookie season. He says he's a surprisingly good passer,

903
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:27,719
is especially like from the short role situation, strong ass rebounder,

904
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,800
Like all those elements together should should give you something

905
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,920
even in today's league, and yet it's mob up beauty.

906
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:41,960
I just wonder what the hell is missing. If it's

907
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,000
between the ears, if it's like motivational stuff, it's like

908
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,119
that occasion, I don't know what it is. I just

909
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:48,960
don't know what it is.

910
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't know that I would even

911
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,800
call him a fantastic rebounder. And I don't think that

912
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,079
the shot blocking he has ever necessarily translates to like

913
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:02,679
deterrence or actual rimt protection too. And I wonder if

914
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:05,119
he would be if you could say that your power

915
00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:07,840
forward or maybe even your center, and you're like, you

916
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,639
can't play him with Clinton posted on again, but if

917
00:45:09,639 --> 00:45:11,719
there was more room to open up, Like it feels

918
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:12,880
like he needs to be on a team that is

919
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:14,920
going to have someone alongside him in the front court,

920
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:17,519
maybe two people when you're looking at that three spot too,

921
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,320
that needs to open up the floor for him to

922
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,480
have his true impact. And even then, do you think

923
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,320
that he could be a classic case of like there's

924
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,840
value in versatility, but Just because you're versatile doesn't mean

925
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,760
that you're valuable, if that makes any sense.

926
00:45:30,199 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 2: It does? You know he really is his father? What

927
00:45:33,519 --> 00:45:38,079
you think about it? Dale Davis just a complete non shooter.

928
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:41,480
Just everything around the rim, everything is like they are

929
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,719
one to one in so many ways. It's actually quite interesting.

930
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,639
God damnit, Dale, why didn't you teach your son to shoot?

931
00:45:48,559 --> 00:45:51,079
Speaker 1: Why is it on him? How many levels of basketball? Like,

932
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,480
wasn't he busy being an NBA player? There should have

933
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,519
been a coach or something that helped him with the shooting.

934
00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't care's responsibility absolutely.

935
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:03,639
Speaker 1: At this point. Yeah, it was definitely blamed Dale Davis.

936
00:46:03,679 --> 00:46:05,440
There's the there's the shout out everybody was waiting for

937
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,800
on this part. Some some some Dale Davis slander. Next

938
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,199
team up and really player the Clippers so key edition

939
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,800
both on Bogdanovich key subtraction, Terrence Man. I mean they

940
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,119
did add Ben Simmons. That was not a trade deadline move.

941
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,119
I am all over the place on this team on

942
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,320
both Boardanovich on where this team is going moving forward?

943
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,599
Where are you at here?

944
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,760
Speaker 2: Same same? I like, I I do understand that they're

945
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,440
going forward right like they got older here and on paper,

946
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,920
booked on Bogdanovic is the better player. He had a

947
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:40,840
rough start to the season in Atlanta, which was you know,

948
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,119
he he had some injury concerns. I believe after the Olympics, right,

949
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:47,280
there was something there. There was something that limited him,

950
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,599
because after coming off the Olympics he looked fine. I

951
00:46:50,679 --> 00:46:53,519
was like, oh, oh, it's gonna be one of those years.

952
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:56,880
And it turned out to very much not be that.

953
00:46:57,639 --> 00:47:00,760
But in an optimized world where with an optimized booked

954
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,800
on Bogdanovic, that's an upgrade yep in and of itself.

955
00:47:05,159 --> 00:47:08,199
And I don't know if it's the age. I don't know,

956
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,599
if it's just a bad year that he has to

957
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,920
wash away over the course of summer. I don't know

958
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:14,960
what the hell it is. But he hasn't looked the

959
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:19,519
same throughout all of it. If that changes within the

960
00:47:19,559 --> 00:47:25,440
next fifteen twenty games going into the playoffs, then all

961
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,719
of a sudden we're looking at a clipper seam that

962
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,920
could be quite dangerous. But you got to have booked

963
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,360
down up of that level where he's averaging fifteen seventeen

964
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,599
points per game, shooting a ton of threes and hitting

965
00:47:35,679 --> 00:47:39,079
them at thirty eight to forty percent. Like this level

966
00:47:39,079 --> 00:47:41,760
of player you're getting right now, where he's not getting

967
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,639
to the line, he's not making up for it from three.

968
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,480
He's not making up forward with efficiency, like he's not

969
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:50,679
making up forward with playmaking. You're just kind of he's

970
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,559
kind of there right now. It's not good enough. You

971
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:54,000
need more.

972
00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see kind of what he looks like

973
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,639
in the larger context of there team now that you

974
00:48:00,639 --> 00:48:02,719
know you're gonna work. I think, look getting him what

975
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:04,039
was kind of Loki huge is just like I don't

976
00:48:04,039 --> 00:48:06,000
know if anyone understood how much time Norman Powell was

977
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:08,760
gonna end up missing in the aggregate. I think in

978
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,559
Fury he's exactly what they've needed. He looks way better

979
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:13,960
in La than he did it in Atlanta. I think

980
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,280
there's still the yelement of is he trying to get

981
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,199
his sea legs back or still? But it looks like

982
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,480
he's moving better. I think the shot it's there, what

983
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:27,480
oh no, but there the shot. I don't think it's

984
00:48:27,519 --> 00:48:30,280
like all the way back because there's that inconsistency there.

985
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,719
But he's had some it feels like higher end performances

986
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,400
and that there's been at least kind of more of

987
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:36,559
an equilibrium than he ever found in Atlanta with a

988
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:40,039
shot making this season fifty five percent on drives, shooting

989
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,360
fifty plus percent on twos when he's playing without James Harden,

990
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,199
and I think like that's kind of the key there

991
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:47,760
is when you're dealing with We know a Kawhi Leonard

992
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,800
can be at points just hits a game winner the

993
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,360
other night, but like when you're dealing with some of

994
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,639
the like Norman Powell. He's improved a bunch, but there's

995
00:48:54,639 --> 00:48:58,159
some semblance of like deficit there, especially when you're looking

996
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,880
for playmaking. Can you get more out of that from Bogdanovic.

997
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:02,840
I think he's gonna end up opening the floor a

998
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,840
bunch for this team. He's at thirty eight plus percent

999
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,679
on his pull up threes in La. You mentioned they're

1000
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:10,840
in on now and they got someone who fits that

1001
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,920
motif without having to give up assets that really say

1002
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:17,440
they're all in. I do not know though, how valuable

1003
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,000
he becomes to them in the playoffs, where if we

1004
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:22,760
assume Kawhi, Norman Powell and Harden are all available, he

1005
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,360
might fall by the wayside in certain matchups, but I

1006
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,119
think that he could become critical to maybe some of

1007
00:49:28,119 --> 00:49:31,679
those smaller stretches, shorter stretches, excuse me, in the postseason,

1008
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,360
where it's all right, James Harden is on the bench,

1009
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,039
you might you definitely like him more in those minutes

1010
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:38,639
than like Norman Powell if you need to put the

1011
00:49:38,639 --> 00:49:41,320
ball in someone's hands as a as a playmaker. And

1012
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,039
then on top of like if all of a sudden,

1013
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,159
now in those minutes and that's like, by the way,

1014
00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:47,039
that's what he is gonna live a lot of the time. Now,

1015
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:50,159
it's different when it's like Norman Powell without James Harden

1016
00:49:50,199 --> 00:49:52,320
and then Kawhi Leonards was injured, like a lot of

1017
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:53,760
the stuff we saw at the beginning of the season.

1018
00:49:54,039 --> 00:49:56,480
It's so much different if it's, oh, James Harden's on

1019
00:49:56,519 --> 00:49:58,280
the bench, and you know what, like we could play

1020
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,159
Kawhi ed Bodanovich and Norman Powell if we wanted. And

1021
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:05,280
so look the Clippers so far with Bugdanovic on the

1022
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,360
floor and no James Harden plus nine per one hundred

1023
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,480
and they're not winning those minutes with defense either, which

1024
00:50:10,519 --> 00:50:14,119
to me suggests that their ceiling is still higher if

1025
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:16,639
everything hits. It's just this is the consummate team where

1026
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:19,239
I don't think you can count on or even predict

1027
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,719
whether everything is gonna hit. Loved that pickup, though, by

1028
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,079
the way, might have been one of the more underrated

1029
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:26,400
moves for me at the trade deadline. This move insane

1030
00:50:26,599 --> 00:50:30,360
this team, this move insanely underrated. Clearly more the Lakers

1031
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,199
added Luka Acic and Maxi Kliba and they lost Anthony

1032
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,760
Davis and Max Christy.

1033
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,159
Speaker 2: How are you nothing to talk about there? Obviously that's

1034
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,400
just you know, they they found some in an international

1035
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:44,679
scrub with weight issues.

1036
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:50,199
Speaker 1: Apparently, who's not even like Luka Danci is shooting forty

1037
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:52,719
five percent on drives under thirty two percent on three

1038
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,440
since being in LA and you could still just tell

1039
00:50:55,519 --> 00:50:58,480
like this was a bonker's move by the maver. It's

1040
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,000
not that you ever would have been able to justify it.

1041
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:03,000
But Luca's not even close to peak Luca Josh yet.

1042
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:05,239
I wonder if we get that during this point of

1043
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,480
the season. But I think like they're killing it in

1044
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:11,639
the minutes he plays without Lebron, And so if you

1045
00:51:11,679 --> 00:51:14,519
want to kind of find silver linings to Lebron's injury,

1046
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:16,360
I mean the off the on off splits have been

1047
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,800
all sorts of wonky with Lebron this season. But like

1048
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,320
if you need to navigate time without Lebron and you're

1049
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,199
worried about it, Luka Doncic is going to help you

1050
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,280
do that more than anthy Gavid.

1051
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:28,039
Speaker 2: He might be the perfect Yes, that's the perfect guy

1052
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:29,719
to that responsibility.

1053
00:51:31,119 --> 00:51:33,079
Speaker 1: Only Jokic would be the only like if you were

1054
00:51:33,119 --> 00:51:35,599
to name another player, whereas we can only have one star.

1055
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,639
But we're trying to figure out a way to survive

1056
00:51:37,679 --> 00:51:40,039
on offense, it's k Luka Tatcic, and that's it.

1057
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 2: You know what's the really telling story here, It's it's

1058
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:50,199
when Luca has struggled shooting the you know, from the field,

1059
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:53,840
like efficiency wise, like you said, he's not where he's

1060
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,679
usually at, Like he's still coming.

1061
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: Still at like seventy five percent at the rim, which

1062
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,280
because those Lakers have these not something I guess we

1063
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,239
should have predicted it looking at their center rotation, but

1064
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,119
they have this like small ball combos that become killers.

1065
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:07,679
And it's now Luca who does not look nearly as fast

1066
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:09,920
or athletic as he was like what three years ago

1067
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,119
or something. It's just get into the rim more.

1068
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: But like the fact when he struggles, you have MAVs

1069
00:52:18,039 --> 00:52:21,639
fans just like putting in excuses for him, which is

1070
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:23,440
like fair, but like that was just interesting to me

1071
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,320
because I thought there would be at least some fans

1072
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,239
who would be like, yeah, like he's gonna struggle like that,

1073
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,760
maybe this deal was like good enough anyway, like just

1074
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,239
trying to talk themselves into it.

1075
00:52:34,039 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: Mass fans have been like the biggest Lucas supporters ever

1076
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:40,280
since he made it to the Lakers, which in some

1077
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,679
way makes me sad, like the fact that this fan

1078
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,719
base is so lost right now that they're just gonna go, well,

1079
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,360
you know, let's let's just watch our eternal enemies from

1080
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,800
Los Angeles and let's root for the guy who was

1081
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:54,400
sent there.

1082
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:59,159
Speaker 2: I it's just it's the weirdest season I can remember

1083
00:52:59,519 --> 00:53:02,599
when he comes. Like player acquisitions.

1084
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,280
Speaker 1: Bizarre for sure, And I still I just feel for

1085
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:08,800
MAVs fans and I really don't like it's just you know,

1086
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:10,599
you know, we're laughing at this, but it's like for

1087
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:13,000
the fans, this really does suck. When you're and you're

1088
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:16,039
looking at you can't win, Like Kyrie gets injured, Anthony

1089
00:53:16,119 --> 00:53:18,880
Davis gets injured, and Quenton Grimes goes off in Philly.

1090
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,880
They just they can't win. Like Lakers specifically, though we

1091
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:28,320
did a contender or pretender exercise U shortly after the trade,

1092
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:30,079
I don't even know if Luca had debuted at that point.

1093
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:32,920
I said the Lakers were not contenders. You try to

1094
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,320
correct me. It seems like you were right. The two

1095
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:39,840
questions I have the defense, like do you view this

1096
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:42,000
as this? They are third in point slab per possession

1097
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,239
since the trade deadline, but they're basically first since like

1098
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:49,280
the middle of January. They You look at the activity

1099
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,920
on defense and it is there. I still just want

1100
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,320
to look at the center situation. I'm like some of

1101
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,519
the lineups they need to rely on. I can't see

1102
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,880
that sustaining. But I don't have reasoning beyond that. To point,

1103
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:01,400
you could look at their schedule and say, Okay, it's

1104
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:04,159
not like they're playing a top ten offense every single night, right.

1105
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,559
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I don't think it's gonna rate as

1106
00:54:07,599 --> 00:54:11,360
well moving forward. But I mean, look, JJ Reddick is

1107
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,119
a maths guy. You know, He's a guy who understands

1108
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:18,719
we need to give teams the shots that we want

1109
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:22,559
them to take. So like, if we think that player

1110
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,039
X who loves to get into the mid range area

1111
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:28,440
and take a pull up. If we want to live

1112
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,000
with that shot, let's give it to him. And so

1113
00:54:31,079 --> 00:54:34,079
that's part of it, right. Also, I think we've seen

1114
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,159
a change with Lebron. I think what we've seen and

1115
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,480
this is a coaching change as well, like with with

1116
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:44,119
Reddick actually implementing something. So we all agree that Lebron

1117
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,159
is not the same defender that he used to be.

1118
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:50,800
That right now he plays more in spurts defensively than

1119
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:52,880
he does like over the course of a full game,

1120
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:56,400
Like he might have five minutes total in a game

1121
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,719
where he just goes like old Lebron, like not old Lebron,

1122
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:05,480
because this sould prime Lebron defensively. But under Darvin Ham,

1123
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:11,119
those moments were pretty random. I think under Redick it's like, no,

1124
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:15,360
we're gonna choose those moments with more care. Like he

1125
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:20,159
and Lebron, you can see them just talking constantly. The

1126
00:55:20,199 --> 00:55:26,320
Denver game. I don't remember the specific play, but like

1127
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,880
eventually he ended up on Jokic and he's at least

1128
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,159
initially and then I think he rotated off, but like

1129
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:33,840
you could see there was a communication between him and

1130
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,519
JJ Reddick, where Redick was kind of like, now now

1131
00:55:37,639 --> 00:55:41,000
is the time you go, whereas under Darvin Ham, I

1132
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:43,840
don't think he ever realized when that time was. So

1133
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,639
Lebron himself kind of had to guess all the time, like, oh,

1134
00:55:47,800 --> 00:55:52,199
I'm gonna have to exert myself on Dorian Finney Smith

1135
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:57,079
before he became a Laker obviously, So to me, it

1136
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,559
seems everything is more purposeful, everything's like with more intent.

1137
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:04,119
So now JJ reraay come into this situation, he knew,

1138
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,480
all right, I might have five to seven good minutes

1139
00:56:07,519 --> 00:56:11,119
of Lebron defense every at my exposal, every single thing,

1140
00:56:12,039 --> 00:56:14,400
I'm gonna try to make sure I get the most

1141
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:16,719
out of those at the right time against the right

1142
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,000
matchup to set the tone. Whatever his lodgy is, That

1143
00:56:21,159 --> 00:56:25,159
to me matters a shit ton to just if basically

1144
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,679
make Lebron a way more efficient defender in the minutes

1145
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,280
that he knows that he has at his disposal. Like,

1146
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:32,880
I'm not gonna sit here and say that's going to

1147
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:36,199
fix the center situation, because it's not what I do think.

1148
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,960
Having a coach who understands that the game plan, who

1149
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:44,280
understands how to relinquish this quote unquote right shots and

1150
00:56:44,639 --> 00:56:49,800
understanding when to trigger his superstar into like assert himself

1151
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,239
at the right times is invaluable.

1152
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: It's interesting you say the right shots too, because I

1153
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:58,800
think one of the things they're allowing sub thirty two

1154
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:02,599
percent shooting from three while conceding a ton of threes.

1155
00:57:02,679 --> 00:57:06,039
There's only like three teams allowing more. That's not gonna sustain.

1156
00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:09,360
But I am sufficiently intrigued by It's basically the Lebron

1157
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,280
at the five lineup where you have downy Phinny Smith

1158
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:14,599
and Ruie plus Luca and Reeves. That lineup has defended

1159
00:57:15,199 --> 00:57:17,800
way better than I ever would have expected to. And

1160
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,239
like the Lakers half court defense has been a monster

1161
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,159
since the trade deadline. It's like a big part of

1162
00:57:24,199 --> 00:57:26,719
what they're doing is like if they're gonna be able

1163
00:57:26,719 --> 00:57:31,079
to avoid someone like the transition situations, that probably gives

1164
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:33,599
them their best bet of sustaining this defense. But I

1165
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,280
do think there's been like this noticeable uptick in Lebron,

1166
00:57:36,679 --> 00:57:38,440
which how much of it? And I apologies if I

1167
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,000
just missed you saying this is also right, Like we

1168
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:43,599
have Luca to put the ball in his hands on

1169
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:46,079
top of Austin Reeves like those are really two options

1170
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:48,679
that you could go to other than Lebron, and so

1171
00:57:48,719 --> 00:57:52,320
you're finding ways to get him more like in game

1172
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,599
breaks while he's still playing on offense, which is just

1173
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,199
not a luxury you've ever had, like since what they

1174
00:57:58,239 --> 00:58:00,480
could do that with Cleveland and Kyrie. But like when

1175
00:58:00,519 --> 00:58:02,599
you're looking at Reeves and Luca, like that's just a

1176
00:58:02,639 --> 00:58:09,119
different level of optionality there. But yeah, i'd like it's

1177
00:58:09,159 --> 00:58:11,119
tough for me to I think the defense is gonna slide,

1178
00:58:11,119 --> 00:58:13,199
but and I know the Luca Lebron minutes, I'm not

1179
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,440
necessarily been a killer, and now Lebron's gonna miss some time.

1180
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:18,039
But like just having to face these two in a

1181
00:58:18,039 --> 00:58:21,079
playoff setting, if the defense is even competent overall, that's

1182
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,079
not a matchup any any team should feel comfortable.

1183
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:26,599
Speaker 2: And that was the point I was making, was an idiot?

1184
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:27,679
Speaker 1: Did I call you an idiot? No?

1185
00:58:27,719 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 2: You didn't know? You didn't don't.

1186
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,039
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought I told everybody else you

1187
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:32,800
were an idiot off air that you didn't hear.

1188
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:35,719
Speaker 2: I thought it was about that was certainly true, and

1189
00:58:35,719 --> 00:58:38,320
that's honestly, that's a fair point to make. Like every

1190
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:40,639
single day of the week, just outside of that particular

1191
00:58:40,679 --> 00:58:41,960
day that we apparently recorded.

1192
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: You were right there. The Lakers are gonna be good

1193
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:45,920
with Lucaspicy take who knew?

1194
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:46,559
Speaker 2: I know? Right?

1195
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: More Miami incomes Kyle Anderson, Davion Mitchell, Andrew Wiggins. Out

1196
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:56,440
goes Jimmy Butler, CEO Big Face Coffee, I think because

1197
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,920
as the founder of Big Face Coffee.

1198
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: Both maybe yeah, uh treasurer as well. I guess.

1199
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:07,760
Speaker 1: So how you feeling about this team?

1200
00:59:09,239 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 2: I mean they're there, yes, no here. Look, my opinion

1201
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:17,280
of the heat hasn't changed. I think they should go

1202
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:19,000
for it this year to make the playoffs because of

1203
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:22,639
the draftic situation that we've talked about before. They will

1204
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:26,440
relinquish their unprotected twenty twenty six if they don't make

1205
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,159
it and will give up. This year's a lot of

1206
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:31,679
reprotected if they make it, so like that should still

1207
00:59:31,719 --> 00:59:35,280
be the aim. And then immediately after they've done that,

1208
00:59:35,360 --> 00:59:37,559
I think they should blow it to bits because I

1209
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:42,159
am not seeing what the hell? Where is this team going? Like, yeah,

1210
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:44,119
sure you can run it back next year with Tyler

1211
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,119
Hero and Bam and a bios. You're leading men, where

1212
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:50,679
does that take you? And now? Ah you've got Andrew

1213
00:59:50,679 --> 00:59:55,400
wickins cool. Wiggins has played well, not efficiency see wise,

1214
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,719
but like he's actually I like the way he's moved.

1215
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,840
He's gotten to the club a lot more than I thought,

1216
01:00:01,199 --> 01:00:05,280
Like he's driving well. Defenses is where it should be.

1217
01:00:06,599 --> 01:00:10,440
I still don't see what like where this team is

1218
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,199
ultimately going to end up, Like if they returned this

1219
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:18,719
roster next year, what like what is the highest high

1220
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:19,360
they can go to?

1221
01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:24,360
Speaker 1: A right, like maybe sixth in the East maybe, And

1222
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,400
like I think that's the stretch when you look at

1223
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,519
like Detroit, Indiana, Milwaukee isn't blowed up, you have a

1224
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:32,800
Nick Celtics and Calves, so maybe eighth, And I think

1225
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:34,880
what is the to kind of make it more of

1226
01:00:34,920 --> 01:00:36,880
a macro thing? When you look at what they've done

1227
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,280
since the trade deadline, how Wiggins is fit them? Using

1228
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,960
Davey on Mitchell, Kyle Anderson, the whole nine, it's very clear.

1229
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:44,840
I think that they're bigger problem. Their biggest problem is

1230
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,960
coming on the offensive end. Right, Like Tyler Herroll has

1231
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,199
been good this year, but his job has gotten a

1232
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:52,079
lot harder with this current makeup of the roster, and

1233
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,639
so you've seen even his efficiency decline we saw like

1234
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:57,880
Khalil Ware three point shooting fell off a cliff. Bam

1235
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,239
Adebayo's got like he's been better on that any shoot

1236
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,239
thirty six percent from three since the trade line. They

1237
01:01:02,239 --> 01:01:04,599
have the worst crunch time offense in the league, one

1238
01:01:04,639 --> 01:01:07,119
of the worst fourth quarter offenses overall in the league.

1239
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:10,840
I just don't like you have Tyler Hero and bam

1240
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:14,039
Adebayo are your most dynamic offensive players, and I think

1241
01:01:14,039 --> 01:01:16,440
when you're looking at at that as a driver of

1242
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:21,320
offense for others specifically, that's incredibly problematic in ways that

1243
01:01:21,559 --> 01:01:24,400
Kyle Anderson Andrew Wiggins, like those guys aren't gonna address that.

1244
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:27,239
We know that, Like in so far as Terry Rozier

1245
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:29,719
ever could have, this version of Terry Rozier did not.

1246
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 2: What has Okay, look, I know this is like a

1247
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:38,119
post traded line pod. What the hell has happened to

1248
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:42,440
taro O shere? Like it's not even it's not even

1249
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,719
that he's just struggling. It's that some of his decisions

1250
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:52,320
are just like it greatious. It's like the will he

1251
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:55,679
will like, okay, look jump past this, are cool. Kaitlin Cooper,

1252
01:01:55,719 --> 01:01:57,719
I don't disagree with that, but not when they come

1253
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:00,519
from Tarot Sheer, because Taro Sheer will spin in the

1254
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:03,239
year for no apparent reason, turn the ball over and

1255
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:07,159
not get back on defense. Like he'll be completely I

1256
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:09,519
don't know what it is, like out of sorts, out

1257
01:02:09,519 --> 01:02:12,639
of whack, like no flow whatsoever. In his own game,

1258
01:02:12,960 --> 01:02:16,079
he'll air ball open threes, even from the corner, like

1259
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:21,719
this is so far removed from Charlotte version. Terrot Sire,

1260
01:02:23,159 --> 01:02:26,440
I have no rational explanation, like it's fit. It's fine

1261
01:02:26,519 --> 01:02:30,639
that a player regresses to a point, it's just just weird.

1262
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:32,719
Speaker 1: It's interesting you bring him up because I actually think

1263
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,159
that he's kind of a symptom of their situation where

1264
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:37,440
that was a move that a lot of people panned

1265
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:39,440
in the moment last year when he made it. But

1266
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,079
if you were to give up the draft pick that

1267
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:44,639
you did to get him when you if you didn't

1268
01:02:44,639 --> 01:02:47,119
think that things were coepathetic with Jimmy Butler, like you

1269
01:02:47,159 --> 01:02:49,559
had to have some inkling that stuff was gonna come

1270
01:02:49,599 --> 01:02:53,119
to a head over this past offseason then leaking into

1271
01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,679
this year, and you then give up because you mentioned

1272
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,159
they need to tear it down after this year, like

1273
01:02:58,519 --> 01:03:01,480
mort at this rate, they're gonna keep their pick and

1274
01:03:01,519 --> 01:03:05,280
then it just they oh unprotected picks basically in twenty

1275
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,760
twenty six and twenty twenty eight at that point, So

1276
01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:11,599
how do you justify tearing it down like the Terry Roseier. Now,

1277
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,239
if you didn't have that pick headed to Charlotte, maybe

1278
01:03:14,239 --> 01:03:16,480
it makes your decisions like a little bit easier from

1279
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,920
here moving forward. So I still that seemed like risky

1280
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,079
at the time, just because you viewed it as getting

1281
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:24,760
off of an expiring contract in Kyle Lowry and saving

1282
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,400
money like immediately off the bottom line, while in theory

1283
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,760
getting a helpful player. But if you didn't have the

1284
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:34,679
Jimmy Butler situation, like you weren't completely in tune with it,

1285
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,760
like to make that move is so egregious and it's

1286
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:41,320
not a benefit of hindsight thing. It's there's no way

1287
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:45,360
you got from Jimmy Butler, like James hardening his way out.

1288
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,199
I mean, I guess he's Jimmy butlering his way out

1289
01:03:47,199 --> 01:03:49,480
of somewhere. Like it didn't just happen overnight because pat

1290
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:52,039
Riley said something in a press conference. That's not something

1291
01:03:52,039 --> 01:03:54,239
that happens overnight, is my point. And that's kind of

1292
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:56,159
a symptom of where they're at right now, Like, yeah,

1293
01:03:56,159 --> 01:03:58,639
the Jimmy Butler return was fine, and I think I

1294
01:03:58,639 --> 01:04:01,280
think Andrew Wiggins will make more s for Suan Myamy.

1295
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,800
That is something that will absolutely happen. I'm still look

1296
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,559
Hayward high Smith, Duncan Robinson like they've cobbled together some

1297
01:04:06,639 --> 01:04:12,360
good campaigns, but this team feels stranded. Mm hmm, like

1298
01:04:12,440 --> 01:04:14,679
they're like they feel there are there I guess marginally

1299
01:04:14,719 --> 01:04:16,519
better off than the Bulls, and the Bulls at least

1300
01:04:16,519 --> 01:04:18,320
control all their own picks moving forward. So are they

1301
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:21,639
better off than the Bulls? Well, they're smarter, so that's

1302
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:25,039
all heroes good. They have useful players that that was

1303
01:04:25,079 --> 01:04:25,760
an extreme and.

1304
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 2: They can relinquish a lot of draft picks this summer

1305
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:28,960
if they give.

1306
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: Up Bam who owns their picks, So you have OKC

1307
01:04:34,360 --> 01:04:36,039
and I mean Charlotte. You can probably get your pick

1308
01:04:36,119 --> 01:04:38,000
back from Charlotte if you wanted to throw Bam at.

1309
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,079
Speaker 2: A Baio on and more.

1310
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,199
Speaker 1: Probably and more I'm saying. But normally it's like there

1311
01:04:43,239 --> 01:04:46,280
is a limited downs there is a limited upside to

1312
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:48,679
tearing it down if you can't get back your own picks,

1313
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,119
Like if you if you owe picks in twenty six

1314
01:04:52,159 --> 01:04:54,800
and twenty eight with very loose to no protection on them.

1315
01:04:55,760 --> 01:04:58,599
Oh my god, like what like imagine trading Bam Adebayo

1316
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,360
not getting even one of those beat And that's.

1317
01:05:01,199 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: That's where you call Charlotte. I'm guessing and you're telling Charlotte, Okay, look,

1318
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,440
we want some of our picks back. We want the

1319
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:11,239
twenty twenty six one two, So like you get BAM

1320
01:05:11,639 --> 01:05:13,800
if you get that pick from okay, se Like, do

1321
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:15,280
you say that's interesting?

1322
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:16,599
Speaker 1: That's an interesting way to look at it.

1323
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1324
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 1: I don't know who they have that would get I.

1325
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 2: Mean, okay, see we'll give them the middle finger and go. Look, Charlotte,

1326
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:27,639
you have no one of interest to us.

1327
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:29,599
Speaker 1: Well if you so, let's say Charlotte might get a

1328
01:05:29,639 --> 01:05:31,559
top five pick. If you're Charlotte, would you give up

1329
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:33,159
a top five pick to get BAM out of Bio.

1330
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:37,000
You probably can't, right like, just at this point in

1331
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:38,519
your rebuild, or you're gonna do that.

1332
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 2: I mean no, I wouldn't, but for it seemed like them.

1333
01:05:43,639 --> 01:05:47,239
I also understand why they would look at BAM and

1334
01:05:47,239 --> 01:05:52,920
go that's a known commodity, like right to some extent.

1335
01:05:53,119 --> 01:05:54,840
Speaker 1: I guess the problem is is that so they have

1336
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,239
that Miami Heat pick. But like, so let's say, I

1337
01:05:57,559 --> 01:05:59,079
like what you say, go out and get our twenty

1338
01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:01,280
six first round pick. Do you have a value to

1339
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,519
go get, like to give to like? Okay, so he's

1340
01:06:03,559 --> 01:06:06,039
not gonna want Lamello, I don't think. And at that point, like,

1341
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:09,000
so we're moving LaMelo to get We'll keep our top

1342
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:11,119
five pick this year and then rebuild around that in BAM.

1343
01:06:11,159 --> 01:06:13,760
I don't with Brandon Miller. I don't know that you're materially.

1344
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 2: Not No, because they have Jadubb like it man, the

1345
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,360
heat are I don't want to say they're screwed, but

1346
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:24,639
this is this is not looking pretty.

1347
01:06:25,199 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 1: No, it is not. I mean I think it's more

1348
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:31,039
likely that they end up trading another first round pick

1349
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:33,280
than getting back both of their own first round picks.

1350
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:34,719
I think that that's pretty clear.

1351
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,119
Speaker 2: So Joy, Joy, have you liked.

1352
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,239
Speaker 1: Just because any of the players have you liked or

1353
01:06:39,239 --> 01:06:41,320
any observation like Davii, I'll Mitchell has been hitting threes

1354
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:43,800
in Miami. Maybe that's something like Pip try to find

1355
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:44,519
a silver lining.

1356
01:06:44,840 --> 01:06:48,159
Speaker 2: Oh okay, no, no, but I will say that despite

1357
01:06:48,239 --> 01:06:51,800
the efficiency concerns from from Wickens. I do think he's

1358
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,880
playing with more freedom than we've seen, and that's said

1359
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,599
that's wild to say, because he did play with a

1360
01:06:58,639 --> 01:07:03,039
lot of like open and flair responsibility in Golden State.

1361
01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:05,400
But it seems like he's been given the ball and

1362
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:08,960
sort of being trusted to make more decisions now and

1363
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,719
I'm not hating the decision making process from him. So

1364
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:18,960
there's something definitely encouraging here. As for Davion Mitchell, Yeah, look, historically,

1365
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,519
I've just seen too much of him, like break Three's

1366
01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:25,719
to the point where this is this is a Josh

1367
01:07:25,800 --> 01:07:28,079
Ginty thing for me. Right now, he's on a hot streak.

1368
01:07:28,119 --> 01:07:31,840
He's like on a you know, February March hot streak.

1369
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:34,760
I'm not going to go into the summer thinking Davion

1370
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:37,800
Mitchell is anything close to like a good shooter. So

1371
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:41,000
this doesn't have any effect on me whatsoever. And Kyle,

1372
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:44,920
I'll be completely honest with you, I haven't even paid

1373
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,679
a lot of attention to Kyle, Like I've registered when

1374
01:07:47,679 --> 01:07:50,360
he's been on the court, but I haven't really like

1375
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:52,920
paid attention to him specifically, like, oh, I'm gonna watch

1376
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,679
Kyle Anderson, right now, it's just like no, I mean mad.

1377
01:07:57,519 --> 01:07:59,519
Speaker 1: He's playing like under fifteen minutes a game, so I

1378
01:07:59,519 --> 01:08:02,079
think you could forgiven if you're not feeling him. I

1379
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,840
just this team is. I don't love it offensively, and

1380
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,440
I've seen a lot of people criticize Eric Bowelster even

1381
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:11,760
more than normal. And if you're following the Heat on

1382
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,320
a day to day, you probably have more of an

1383
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:15,480
in tune there, But you know, criticizing him for not

1384
01:08:16,159 --> 01:08:18,239
adjusting enough down the stretch of games. Why aren't they

1385
01:08:18,279 --> 01:08:20,319
playing more zone defense as an example? And I just

1386
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,279
I look at the personnel of them, and I'm wondering, like,

1387
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:27,000
what are the adjustments that you want coach Spoe to hit.

1388
01:08:27,039 --> 01:08:29,239
I'm not saying he's been perfect, and you're probably to

1389
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:32,000
be fair, they are better built to make actual defensive

1390
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:35,039
adjustments than offensive adjustments. But I view the offense as

1391
01:08:35,119 --> 01:08:37,199
just their crowning limitation right now. And I don't know

1392
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:40,560
how he's supposed to adjust much there if it like

1393
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:41,439
if at all?

1394
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck Miami Heat fans. At least Andrew Wickins

1395
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,800
is playing decent right now until he's probably traded in

1396
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:52,720
the offseason.

1397
01:08:53,079 --> 01:08:55,359
Speaker 1: The Milwaukee Bucks pulled off probably just one of the

1398
01:08:55,359 --> 01:08:59,399
more controversial moves of the deadline. Incomes Kyle Kuzma. They

1399
01:08:59,399 --> 01:09:02,399
also got Jack Samson, Kevin Porter Junior out goes AJ

1400
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:07,800
Johnson and Chris Middleton. Thoughts feels impressions of the Milwaukee

1401
01:09:07,880 --> 01:09:09,560
Bucks and the Kyle Kuzma era.

1402
01:09:10,199 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 2: So Kusma has been a little bit better lately, just

1403
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,199
in terms of like efficiency wise, he seems like he's

1404
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:19,720
finding some of his spots offensively. And that's about the

1405
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,720
end of the extent that I'll go to in being complimentary,

1406
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:26,439
because I still don't think he plays within the flow

1407
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:29,079
of the offense. I still think he's an odd fit.

1408
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,439
I understand I think their logic and we wanted to

1409
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,039
get a player in who could carry forty four forty

1410
01:09:37,079 --> 01:09:40,239
five minutes per game as opposed to Chris, who is

1411
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,960
the better player but can probably only play about twenty

1412
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,520
three twenty four minutes. So they were looking just to

1413
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:50,720
squeeze out more talent in the minutes department. I probably

1414
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:54,479
would have gone just with retaining Chris and gone that

1415
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:58,000
route instead. And if had that had been twenty three

1416
01:09:58,079 --> 01:10:00,640
minutes per game, yeah, I probab one would have just

1417
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:06,359
gone with that instead. I don't think Kuzma is adding to,

1418
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:12,880
you know, the the list of problem solvers there. I

1419
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,399
understand that they played better recently Milwaukee, but I also

1420
01:10:16,439 --> 01:10:20,039
think that's because Jannis is Yannis and Dame is still

1421
01:10:20,039 --> 01:10:22,479
around like it's I don't put that at the feat

1422
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,800
of Kyle Kusma. I am. I am struggling to see

1423
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:29,199
the long term benefits here. I do think in the playoffs, yes,

1424
01:10:29,279 --> 01:10:31,039
it'll be nice to have it as the big player

1425
01:10:31,079 --> 01:10:35,600
who can produce, but he's not the shooter that you need.

1426
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,880
And you need floor spacing for Giannis, you need floor

1427
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,119
spacing for Dame. That's where a guy like Chris Middlesons

1428
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:44,680
still been good. So I get what they were trying

1429
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,439
to do. I'm not a fan of it yet, and

1430
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:49,600
I don't think I ever will be.

1431
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,560
Speaker 1: He's been to me better defensively than I would have expected,

1432
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,720
and so maybe that's okay. You hit the play better button,

1433
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,680
the defend a better button. Excuse me, when you go

1434
01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:02,640
Towaukee from Washington. That was always on the table. I

1435
01:11:02,680 --> 01:11:05,359
think he's what's interesting, and Eric Nam had pointed this out,

1436
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,680
I think like a week or two ago, having him

1437
01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,319
and I guess to a lesser extent, uh well, not

1438
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:13,159
to a lesser extent, but also Kevin Porter Junior. It

1439
01:11:13,239 --> 01:11:15,800
hasn't boldened Doc Rivers to change up his staggering patterns.

1440
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,399
Where you've seen a little bit more of Dame and

1441
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:19,760
Yannis being on the bench together so that you can

1442
01:11:19,960 --> 01:11:22,920
more firmly tether their minutes as a tandem. And the

1443
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,960
Bucks have won the minutes that Kyle Kuzma's played without

1444
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:26,439
the both of them, and if they if you know,

1445
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,840
you mentioned, I do think Kyle Kuzma moved on. He's

1446
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,760
moved off the ball, I think pretty well. But I

1447
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,119
agree that is this someone who's ever you're gonna look

1448
01:11:33,119 --> 01:11:35,079
at an offensive flow and say he's a perfect fit

1449
01:11:35,119 --> 01:11:37,600
within it. So if you're separating him and he could

1450
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:39,279
become more of a focal point and you're able to

1451
01:11:39,319 --> 01:11:42,279
like survive or tread water during those minutes, it becomes

1452
01:11:42,279 --> 01:11:45,319
a big deal. I still think, and I'm not saying

1453
01:11:45,359 --> 01:11:47,760
that had they not made any of these moves, I

1454
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,920
would have felt the same. I just don't trust this

1455
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,039
team yet. The defense has been a lot better overall.

1456
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,680
They have these like they can go to this jumbo

1457
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,760
size lineup now with Kuzma and Prince and Giannis and

1458
01:11:59,800 --> 01:12:02,760
then Brook Lopez and so you could play that with Dame.

1459
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,800
But the offense is just it feels like it should

1460
01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,119
be better than this, and I think that it comes

1461
01:12:09,159 --> 01:12:12,319
down to look Giannis hitting the mid Rangers. I think

1462
01:12:12,359 --> 01:12:14,800
that's also opened up more of his playmaking. But you

1463
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,560
need another kind of i'll use the word traditional or

1464
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:24,479
conventional initiator. Aside from Dame, Chris Middleton for even twenty

1465
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,800
twenty five minutes a game was your best shot at

1466
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,520
having that, And I wonder if it's going to potentially

1467
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,760
break them in the playoffs just because their crunch time

1468
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,600
offense is still not great. Their fourth quarter offense overall

1469
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,520
on the year is still not good, and you can

1470
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:41,439
see just slip ups if like they're situations where should

1471
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:43,279
there have been a pass there, there's turnovers that could

1472
01:12:43,319 --> 01:12:47,199
been avoided. I just don't trust them, and I don't know,

1473
01:12:47,399 --> 01:12:50,119
actually don't know how much of criticism though that is

1474
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,039
at this point, because I don't know that having Chris Middleton, yeah,

1475
01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:55,399
would have made me trust them in certain situations more

1476
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:58,159
w I've trusted Chris Middleton to be healthier the Bucks

1477
01:12:58,159 --> 01:13:01,279
to get to those situations. I don't know they've been

1478
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,880
I'm probably a little bit more optimistic about what they

1479
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,840
did at the deadline than I was at the time,

1480
01:13:07,279 --> 01:13:09,279
but I don't think it's been enough to say that

1481
01:13:09,279 --> 01:13:11,359
it's moved the needle for me to be like, oh,

1482
01:13:11,399 --> 01:13:14,119
I definitively trust them more than New York and Indiana

1483
01:13:14,279 --> 01:13:15,680
and in Detroit for that matter.

1484
01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:20,640
Speaker 2: And then there's another pattern emerging that has me concerned.

1485
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,039
Last year they had leak Beastley, didn't unleash him in

1486
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:27,479
any way, didn't find any greater ways to get him open.

1487
01:13:28,079 --> 01:13:32,439
You know, he I think, pardon.

1488
01:13:32,399 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: I said he made shots anyway, though he.

1489
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,520
Speaker 2: Did, but like you didn't, like they've failed at getting

1490
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,439
him the ball enough or getting him enough shots. Now

1491
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,079
we're seeing that kind of get copied over with Gary

1492
01:13:43,079 --> 01:13:46,079
Trent Junior as well, someone who is in a similar role,

1493
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:52,159
Like I think Milwaukee is not emphasizing, prioritizing whatever you

1494
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:55,520
want to call it, shooters enough because that's where you

1495
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,039
get additional points, that's where you get optimized floor spacing,

1496
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:02,800
that's where you get, especially in playoff contexts, those crucial,

1497
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:08,520
like I said before, extra points, and if they just

1498
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:12,800
cannot figure out how to get those two guards involved

1499
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,199
more to actually lift up their offensive responsibility. Then you're

1500
01:14:18,279 --> 01:14:21,000
going to have a lot of time where you're playing

1501
01:14:21,039 --> 01:14:25,640
four on five basketball offensively, which Giannis is a superhero.

1502
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:29,000
Dame is still Dame. But those are odds that you're

1503
01:14:29,039 --> 01:14:31,199
just not gonna win with in the playoffs.

1504
01:14:32,279 --> 01:14:36,079
Speaker 1: I'm curious too whether, like what do you think ends

1505
01:14:36,119 --> 01:14:38,279
up being their best five man unit? And I think

1506
01:14:38,319 --> 01:14:39,880
four of the spots are kind of set in the

1507
01:14:39,920 --> 01:14:42,600
stone by default, but would you do you like seeing

1508
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:45,159
Torian Prince kind of that jumbosales lineup or do you

1509
01:14:45,199 --> 01:14:47,640
think that they should lend themselves to more. Maybe it's

1510
01:14:47,680 --> 01:14:50,640
AJ Green or Gary Trent Junior who has played well

1511
01:14:50,680 --> 01:14:52,239
since a very poor start to the season.

1512
01:14:52,920 --> 01:14:59,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so definitely someone who has the potential to

1513
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:01,039
go off, because they I think that's where the fear

1514
01:15:01,159 --> 01:15:03,279
is from other teams, right, Like even if you have

1515
01:15:03,279 --> 01:15:05,760
a stable shooter. That's why I never went fully in

1516
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:10,319
on the PJ. Tucker train. Like here's the thing. I know,

1517
01:15:10,359 --> 01:15:12,439
he won a title, I know, but.

1518
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:14,600
Speaker 1: He's about to save the Knicks too, so you buy it.

1519
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:19,399
Speaker 2: Right, But like you always knew he was not gonna

1520
01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,079
pop off for fifteen or twenty or twenty five like

1521
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,800
that was just not that was never in the cards.

1522
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:28,720
So I would say that last final member of that

1523
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,439
lineup has to be someone who can put the fear

1524
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:35,239
of God into the opponents. Be that as a shooter,

1525
01:15:35,399 --> 01:15:38,600
be that as a slasher, I don't care. Just someone

1526
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:41,880
who where teams know, oh in this random ass game

1527
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:44,439
for this guy can go off for twenty five, He

1528
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,880
can create stuff, He can get something going which allows Giannis,

1529
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:52,159
which allows Dame to play off of that. Who is

1530
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:55,560
that guy? Is that Aj Green? I'm not sure? Is

1531
01:15:55,600 --> 01:16:00,000
it Gary Trent theoretically, but like I don't know if

1532
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:05,319
trust the Bucks in finding out how to use Gary

1533
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:06,359
Trent Julo directly.

1534
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,399
Speaker 1: I think he's been really good and he's my answer.

1535
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:13,079
I want to like the Jumbo Saze lineup with Tory

1536
01:16:13,159 --> 01:16:16,560
and Prince, and they've done just enough offensively, but there's

1537
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:19,079
still just a lack of three point shooting there. That

1538
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:20,880
unit is sub thirty five percent, and when you have

1539
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:23,680
Damian Lillod and Brook Lopez as part of that unit,

1540
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:25,960
that is that's concerning. So I think the answer is

1541
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,399
Gary Trent. And I was looking before we started recording

1542
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:32,920
this that lineup, so like Kuzma, Lopez, Giannis and Dame

1543
01:16:33,199 --> 01:16:36,920
with Gary Trent has played five possessions since the trade deadline.

1544
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,279
It's just like that's I'm just surprised they haven't gone

1545
01:16:39,279 --> 01:16:39,920
to it more.

1546
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:47,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I that number actually blows me away. Yeah, that's wild.

1547
01:16:47,399 --> 01:16:49,159
Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna end up being the answer.

1548
01:16:49,239 --> 01:16:51,760
But I will say I, like you mentioned, I think

1549
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:52,960
at the top, this is what it comes back to

1550
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:55,720
before we move on. They did acquire someone who, in

1551
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,840
theory will just eat more minutes even in the postseason,

1552
01:16:58,840 --> 01:17:01,039
like you trust him to be more there, and we'll see.

1553
01:17:01,239 --> 01:17:03,199
That's the gamble. It feels like they made and we'll

1554
01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:04,880
have to see whether it pays off. Shout out to

1555
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:08,079
Jericho Simms, though true superstar of their trade deadline. The

1556
01:17:08,079 --> 01:17:11,800
Philadelphia seventy six ers. We already talked Quentin Grimes. They

1557
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:13,600
have Quentin Grimes, they got Jared Butler as well, then

1558
01:17:13,640 --> 01:17:16,079
they lost Caleb Martin and kJ Martin were the most

1559
01:17:16,359 --> 01:17:20,079
notable subtractions in their effort to duck the tax. And

1560
01:17:20,119 --> 01:17:23,079
it like looks better just because Quenton Grimes has been

1561
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:26,720
really good. But the season is gone, so off the rails.

1562
01:17:27,119 --> 01:17:29,760
I you know, we know what we feel about Quentin Grimes.

1563
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,560
I am curious just the stuff we're seeing from him

1564
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:33,920
on offense. How much value does it have if the

1565
01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:36,640
plan is eventually to have Joel Embiid and Paul George

1566
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:39,000
and Tyrese Maxe next year. But for sure I think

1567
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,800
that he's he's someone who fits more next to those

1568
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:45,199
guys than Jared McCain is going to. Just because Jared

1569
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:47,520
McCain and Tyres Maxie could end up being like real

1570
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,720
defensive problems together in the backcourt, I agree.

1571
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,880
Speaker 2: I don't know what to add to that. The Sixers

1572
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:57,920
right now are just in such disarray. I did an

1573
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:02,000
hour with Keith Smith on their situation where we basically

1574
01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:06,920
after an hour just kind of just raise our shoulders

1575
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:09,720
a little bit. We're like, fuck if I know, like

1576
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,319
this team is just it's so out there. We can

1577
01:18:12,319 --> 01:18:14,119
sit here and talk all day long about how Quentin

1578
01:18:14,119 --> 01:18:16,359
Grimes has looked, and he's looked amazing by the way.

1579
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:21,279
I fully fully support that trade. I have no idea

1580
01:18:21,319 --> 01:18:23,680
where they go from here, Like Jared Butler has played

1581
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:26,239
well as well, and that is, after all, who the

1582
01:18:26,279 --> 01:18:28,039
two guys that we have to talk about right now,

1583
01:18:28,079 --> 01:18:32,159
but like right now is just putting lipstick on a pick, right,

1584
01:18:32,239 --> 01:18:34,760
It's just you have no idea where this team is

1585
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:37,880
going long term. The injury patterns are severe. They're probably

1586
01:18:37,880 --> 01:18:41,439
probably gonna shut down PG pretty soon, which they probably

1587
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,039
should have done some time ago. Everything is bleak. So

1588
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:49,199
I guess good on them that they found a Quinton

1589
01:18:49,279 --> 01:18:53,680
Rhymes like Tyree's Maxi Quinton Rhymes and Jared McCain as

1590
01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:58,119
like your future three guard lineup. I don't hate that.

1591
01:18:58,119 --> 01:19:01,960
That's got some juice, maybe your draft pick plus your

1592
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:05,000
draft pick. But then you have the Paul George and

1593
01:19:05,079 --> 01:19:08,800
Joelenbee contracts where I'm just like, fuck if I.

1594
01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:12,560
Speaker 1: Know, I think if you could tell me that you

1595
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,039
can get like fifty games of Joel Embiid next year

1596
01:19:16,279 --> 01:19:19,680
and he'll be even what we've seen in the playoffs before.

1597
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:21,880
So I'm not even saying getting peaked Joel in the playoffs.

1598
01:19:22,239 --> 01:19:23,680
I really am not as low on the six er

1599
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,039
future as everybody else. I don't think the Paul George

1600
01:19:26,039 --> 01:19:28,840
contract is gonna, you know, devolve into maybe this offseason,

1601
01:19:29,279 --> 01:19:32,439
but there's a way, like, remember Chris Paul, how poorly

1602
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,920
that contract was you before he was traded to Oklahoma City,

1603
01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,640
like Houston had to compensate Oklahoma City as part of

1604
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:40,359
that Russell Westbrook trade. Like Paul George is plugging play

1605
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,800
enough that if you had healthier talent around him, Like,

1606
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,359
I just don't think. I think the criticisms have been

1607
01:19:47,439 --> 01:19:50,439
largely fair. I also think they've been exaggerated because of

1608
01:19:50,479 --> 01:19:53,520
just how melt much else has gone wrong in Philly.

1609
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:56,239
Speaker 2: Well, I think I think part of it is also

1610
01:19:57,159 --> 01:20:01,359
he got a freaking player option. Who the negotiating against here?

1611
01:20:02,239 --> 01:20:03,960
Who were they bidding against?

1612
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:06,800
Speaker 1: Like to me, that was the Warriors trying to figure

1613
01:20:06,800 --> 01:20:08,920
something out. Then the Nuggets try and get involved there.

1614
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean then then you let them have

1615
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:14,399
it then, because that player option is going to be

1616
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,079
that was such an unnecessary inclusion, And I think that's

1617
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,319
where people, especially Philly fans, are like, like, what are

1618
01:20:22,319 --> 01:20:24,079
we gonna do with here? Because if he was going

1619
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:27,520
to enter this summer and then he had two years left,

1620
01:20:28,319 --> 01:20:31,600
you sort of like if you squint, you can sort

1621
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:33,239
of see the light at the end of the sundel

1622
01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:36,319
there like one year later, you can actually flip him

1623
01:20:36,319 --> 01:20:38,119
as an expiring if that's what you wanted to do

1624
01:20:38,199 --> 01:20:41,279
in some capacity break that deal up in whatever means.

1625
01:20:41,960 --> 01:20:45,279
The fact that it goes to twenty eight though, that

1626
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:47,840
is that is nasty business.

1627
01:20:49,159 --> 01:20:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yes, especially given what we know now. But

1628
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:56,119
like that was kind of a cost of poaching him

1629
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:59,520
in free agency. And I think I'll speak for myself here.

1630
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:02,920
We lauded the Sixers for their even the Caleb Martin side,

1631
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,359
like we thought they were creative and they had a

1632
01:21:04,359 --> 01:21:07,319
hell of an offseason, and it's, yeah, you could have

1633
01:21:07,399 --> 01:21:10,239
seen this stuff, I guess turning in this direction because

1634
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,000
we all know about the Joel and beat injury risk,

1635
01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,600
we all know about how agent curves work in general

1636
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:19,000
with players. I just like, I don't know. I guess

1637
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,680
I don't fault them, like you then have to fault

1638
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,199
the plan to just build around Joel Embiad in general,

1639
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:25,920
I guess, is my point. And if that's where we

1640
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:28,760
were at last year, like, if that's the stance you had,

1641
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,359
like then totally fine. But as of right now, like, yeah,

1642
01:21:31,399 --> 01:21:34,319
the Paul George contract looks worse, and I think everyone

1643
01:21:34,920 --> 01:21:37,600
we acknowledge this. I'm sure you did. Like the latter

1644
01:21:37,680 --> 01:21:40,680
two years were always gonna be iffy, probably and it

1645
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:43,439
looks worse now because you've burned just one of the

1646
01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,159
two good years to guaranteed years you thought you were

1647
01:21:46,199 --> 01:21:49,079
gonna get. I just I don't think they're in this.

1648
01:21:49,239 --> 01:21:52,600
The way they're in an navigable situation is if Joel

1649
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:55,720
Embiid is just cooked, and that would have always been

1650
01:21:56,800 --> 01:21:58,920
where they're going to end up, regardless of whether they

1651
01:21:58,920 --> 01:22:00,640
didn't give Paul George a player option or not.

1652
01:22:01,279 --> 01:22:05,239
Speaker 2: No, So those are two distant Those are two distinct conversations.

1653
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:08,520
I agree with you. I like em Bed signed a

1654
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,159
three year, one hundred and ninety million, one hundred and

1655
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:14,279
ninety three million dollar extension last fall, which was also

1656
01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,760
when we heard of that. I remember my first thought

1657
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:24,239
being that was optimistic, Like I thought they wanted to

1658
01:22:24,319 --> 01:22:26,760
see more of him this year before they made that call,

1659
01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,399
Like he was obviously pushing for that money. So I

1660
01:22:29,399 --> 01:22:32,439
also understand not wanting to piss off your star. So

1661
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,800
there are some politics involved there. But like I was

1662
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:37,720
never a fan of the Paul George contract, Like I

1663
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:40,039
understood the logic behind it, as you said, you had

1664
01:22:40,039 --> 01:22:42,880
to go do something if you're the Sixers, you had to.

1665
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,560
But I also thought Darren Moriych chose a really weird

1666
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,920
summer to clear all that cap space because there weren't

1667
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,399
a lot of options out there, like free agency is

1668
01:22:54,159 --> 01:22:58,199
in many ways not what it used to be. And

1669
01:22:58,279 --> 01:23:00,920
for him to go out in the market where you

1670
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,359
could make an argument that Paul George at least unrestricted

1671
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:06,399
rice and was viewed as one of the main guys

1672
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:13,600
that to me was always associated with a great, great

1673
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,439
level of risk, and considering the amount of risk you

1674
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:20,520
already had in Joel just being Joel with his injuri,

1675
01:23:21,079 --> 01:23:26,039
in his injury history, I thought it was a little irresponsible.

1676
01:23:26,479 --> 01:23:30,600
But I'm also Danish, like I'm wearing seatbelts on everything, Okay,

1677
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:31,880
I'm mist for safety.

1678
01:23:32,039 --> 01:23:34,920
Speaker 1: Well you could, Yeah, last summer wasn't the summer to

1679
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:36,880
have cap space, but we would have said the same

1680
01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:41,680
thing about this summer. What summer were they supposed to choose?

1681
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 2: Well, maybe they shouldn't have chosen that direction. Then maybe

1682
01:23:44,600 --> 01:23:46,079
they should have done something else.

1683
01:23:45,960 --> 01:23:48,479
Speaker 1: Which then makes the Cardinals saying could they have done

1684
01:23:48,520 --> 01:23:51,479
anything differently in the James Harden trade? And that's tough

1685
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:53,159
because it seems like they were dealing with the market

1686
01:23:53,159 --> 01:23:53,760
of one team.

1687
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:59,039
Speaker 2: Yep. Ironically a deal I also did not like when

1688
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:01,960
they made it. But like I hear you, I just

1689
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:05,560
think they've been in a very tough situation for a

1690
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:08,199
while now, and I don't think they've made life easier

1691
01:24:08,359 --> 01:24:12,000
with themselves, is basically my point. I don't think they

1692
01:24:12,279 --> 01:24:14,680
Their course of events over the past year and a

1693
01:24:14,720 --> 01:24:19,640
half has just not filled me at any point with confidence.

1694
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:22,119
Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. I think the Joelle embiid

1695
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,560
the lack of transparency behind how they were handling him,

1696
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:27,359
because it's easy for us to say they should have

1697
01:24:27,399 --> 01:24:29,840
shut him down like well before they did, which that's

1698
01:24:29,880 --> 01:24:33,039
probably the case, but just the lack of transparency behind

1699
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:36,279
what they were doing a failure, and then their reaction

1700
01:24:36,399 --> 01:24:39,560
even to that failure of just like it is wildly

1701
01:24:39,640 --> 01:24:42,239
unspectacular that kJ Martin, who you signed to be a

1702
01:24:42,319 --> 01:24:44,319
human trade exception to get you someone you then had

1703
01:24:44,319 --> 01:24:47,359
to like attached stuff to to dump in service of

1704
01:24:47,399 --> 01:24:50,600
ducking attacks the Caleb Martin situation, I thought that was

1705
01:24:50,600 --> 01:24:53,199
a good signing he has that hip injury. Do you

1706
01:24:53,319 --> 01:24:55,439
ding them for that or then give them kudos for

1707
01:24:55,439 --> 01:24:56,960
figuring out how to get Quentin Grimes out of the

1708
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:00,319
Kleb Martin contract. It's really all over the place. Feels

1709
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:03,920
like there's pass not traveled. I guess with James Harden,

1710
01:25:04,439 --> 01:25:06,680
but it feels like this all comes back to if

1711
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:08,800
your impressions of the seventy six ers are down, it's

1712
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:11,720
the fact that they elected to hitch their wagon too

1713
01:25:11,800 --> 01:25:15,680
Joel Embiid, and I think that, like the hesitance over

1714
01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:17,479
the extension is Yeah, sure, I totally agree with you,

1715
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:19,760
because they have played hardball and said, let's see what

1716
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,479
you do this season before we go that direction. I

1717
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:27,199
just don't know if Joel Embiid was their present and future,

1718
01:25:27,239 --> 01:25:29,640
I just don't know what else was the more appealing path.

1719
01:25:29,720 --> 01:25:31,840
It felt like they would have needed to have done

1720
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,119
something even more nuclear, which I think would have been

1721
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:39,039
unrealistic to expect any executive controlling the Sixers to do. Well.

1722
01:25:39,159 --> 01:25:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's very reasonable. I do remember last

1723
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:47,239
summer I race this point to our mutual friend Ryan Sapporik.

1724
01:25:47,600 --> 01:25:49,760
I don't remember if I did it on a podcast

1725
01:25:49,880 --> 01:25:52,640
or I did it privately what I did race, Like

1726
01:25:53,039 --> 01:25:56,800
the question of should the Sixers actually pivot towards like

1727
01:25:57,039 --> 01:26:01,720
building more actively around MAXI instead and like in a

1728
01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:06,119
way where Embiad is still featured what in a way

1729
01:26:06,199 --> 01:26:10,000
where you don't structure everything around him. But that again,

1730
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:12,960
like hindsight is twenty twenty, right, Like I'm not gonna

1731
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:14,800
sit you're in and say, oh, Darryl Mory is a

1732
01:26:14,800 --> 01:26:17,239
bad general manager because A, B and C. Like No,

1733
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:19,800
I just I will not.

1734
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:22,560
Speaker 1: But I do think what's fair though about the way

1735
01:26:22,560 --> 01:26:24,880
you're looking at it as it was? Definitely if you're

1736
01:26:25,880 --> 01:26:29,600
it's if you're concerned about Joel Embiid's career moving forward,

1737
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:33,039
that's not a novel concern. Like you could have very

1738
01:26:33,079 --> 01:26:35,479
well felt this way like a year and a half too,

1739
01:26:35,640 --> 01:26:38,039
like four years ago, even like he was not that

1740
01:26:38,079 --> 01:26:39,600
he was always a taking time bob, but there was

1741
01:26:39,640 --> 01:26:43,760
always that level of risk there. I just don't know

1742
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:47,479
what if the answer was moved Joel Embiid sooner, do

1743
01:26:47,520 --> 01:26:49,560
you think that they're maybe because he has the injury history. No,

1744
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:51,239
But if you would have traded Joel Embiid like two

1745
01:26:51,279 --> 01:26:54,039
years like coming off the MVP season, wouldn't the reaction

1746
01:26:54,119 --> 01:26:56,600
have been similar to what Dallas fans were doing.

1747
01:26:59,079 --> 01:27:03,039
Speaker 2: Well, I mean yes and no, because I think even

1748
01:27:03,079 --> 01:27:06,319
at that point people were very much aware of the history.

1749
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,399
I think I even pitched that at one point on

1750
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:10,239
the pod.

1751
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,800
Speaker 1: And also, although rebuilding is not really his style, but

1752
01:27:13,880 --> 01:27:17,039
like you would think that Darryl Morey might have had

1753
01:27:17,039 --> 01:27:18,439
more of the foresight to be like, well, we're not

1754
01:27:18,479 --> 01:27:21,159
going to target like players and hopes to get better,

1755
01:27:21,159 --> 01:27:23,720
We're going to rebuild this thing from the ground up

1756
01:27:23,720 --> 01:27:24,560
more appropriately.

1757
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:27,880
Speaker 2: So I don't he should have gone after Cyclovine though.

1758
01:27:27,920 --> 01:27:30,079
That was one of the things I said last summer

1759
01:27:30,079 --> 01:27:33,119
before like with the cap space, because at that point

1760
01:27:33,159 --> 01:27:36,560
in time, we know that Levine was talked about, as

1761
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,279
you know, a bad contract, and I basically made the

1762
01:27:40,279 --> 01:27:43,880
assumption that if Philly called up Chicaguin said well we'll

1763
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:47,840
take him into cap space, interesting, that would have been

1764
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,920
something I think that would have beaten the alternative.

1765
01:27:51,119 --> 01:27:55,319
Speaker 1: That's an interesting road not traveled direction because it's it's okay, Well,

1766
01:27:55,319 --> 01:27:57,079
then how does that impact the rest of their offseason?

1767
01:27:57,479 --> 01:27:59,560
How does that affect that Jared McCain breakouts where I

1768
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,159
know he had an injury, but if you have Zach Lvine,

1769
01:28:02,399 --> 01:28:04,239
do you know how Jared McCain is this asset either

1770
01:28:04,239 --> 01:28:06,399
on your team or as a trade chip like viewed

1771
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,800
it's that's fascinating, but you are. I do think that

1772
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,039
I think you can say, even in the moment, would

1773
01:28:12,039 --> 01:28:13,800
have been the debate between would you rather just take

1774
01:28:13,880 --> 01:28:16,560
Zach Levine right or give Paul George the fourth year?

1775
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:18,680
That would that would have been a real debate in

1776
01:28:18,720 --> 01:28:20,960
real time. So that that's definitely fair to say. Our

1777
01:28:21,079 --> 01:28:24,079
next team, speaking of teams that confuse the ever live

1778
01:28:24,119 --> 01:28:28,279
in hell out of me, the Sacramento Kings. They got

1779
01:28:28,359 --> 01:28:31,600
Zack Lvine, Jonas Valentnis, and Jake Laurabia, all of whom,

1780
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,840
by the way, have been super helpful to them. No

1781
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:38,720
misses there. They lose dearon Fox, Kevin Herder, Zach Colvine's

1782
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:40,239
been balling. What is he? What is he up to?

1783
01:28:40,279 --> 01:28:42,399
Ninety seven percent shooting from three in Sacramento?

1784
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:47,159
Speaker 2: Is that he's he's He's at fifty forty ninety since

1785
01:28:47,159 --> 01:28:48,119
becoming a king.

1786
01:28:49,439 --> 01:28:53,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's been great. The King's overall, they've they're dealing

1787
01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:55,680
with the domas a bonus injury is kind of a bummer.

1788
01:28:55,720 --> 01:28:57,279
He did look a little, I don't want to say

1789
01:28:57,319 --> 01:28:59,319
out of sorts, but like he was trying to figure

1790
01:28:59,319 --> 01:29:02,039
out his place with kind of the new offensive world

1791
01:29:02,159 --> 01:29:05,640
order Sacramento. As ever, you look at the Vitals, and

1792
01:29:05,640 --> 01:29:08,720
they're like, all right, seventh in offense, eleventh in defense,

1793
01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,600
and they're eight and four since the trade deadline. Malik

1794
01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:15,439
Monk has been meh since then, Keith and Murray's hitting

1795
01:29:15,439 --> 01:29:18,239
his three since then, DeMar DeRozan shooting forty percent from

1796
01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:21,520
three on nearly five attempts per game since the trade deadline.

1797
01:29:22,199 --> 01:29:25,439
Jake Laavia causes like a special kind of bedroom defensively

1798
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:27,079
when he's on the court, and I fucking love it.

1799
01:29:27,680 --> 01:29:30,560
And I still just look at this team moving forward,

1800
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,399
and I'm just I don't like anything. I shouldn't say that.

1801
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:36,239
I like Zach Lavine there, I like del Masa Bonis there.

1802
01:29:36,279 --> 01:29:38,439
I love Keith and Murray. I just don't feel I mean,

1803
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:40,239
we all know how I feel about Keon Ellis too.

1804
01:29:40,640 --> 01:29:45,079
There's just a lot of individual players and developments that

1805
01:29:45,079 --> 01:29:47,640
have happened that should make you feel good, and I

1806
01:29:48,000 --> 01:29:50,720
just don't feel good about the Sacramento Kings' future. Can

1807
01:29:50,760 --> 01:29:54,399
you explain? Can you reason it for me? So?

1808
01:29:54,680 --> 01:29:58,680
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue here is so I'm actually

1809
01:29:58,680 --> 01:30:02,319
for years, like Alvin has obviously been a talking point

1810
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:05,520
for years because of the trade chatter and whatnot. Like

1811
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:08,039
I just mentioned earlier about the six Ers, for example,

1812
01:30:08,079 --> 01:30:10,560
that I wanted to send him there. There was a

1813
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,199
point in time where I also wanted to send him

1814
01:30:12,199 --> 01:30:15,520
to Sacramento, not in at Iron Fox deal, because the

1815
01:30:15,520 --> 01:30:17,479
idea would be to pair him with the Iron Fox.

1816
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,560
So I think the Kings are actually pretty close to

1817
01:30:19,600 --> 01:30:22,920
having a very interesting dynamic product now. They just need

1818
01:30:23,079 --> 01:30:26,079
a quote unquote real point guard. What I mean by

1819
01:30:26,119 --> 01:30:29,920
that is, yeah, you can hide Malik Monk as a

1820
01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:33,600
pseudo point guard only for so long. You can also

1821
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:36,760
run the offense. There's a bonus, sure, but you need

1822
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:41,800
someone to initiate actions at a great, great level on

1823
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:44,640
the perimeter from someone who's just not on the roster.

1824
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:49,600
With all due respect to Mark kill Folds, if there

1825
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:53,199
is a guy out there who you can sort of

1826
01:30:53,239 --> 01:30:55,000
implement on that team, Oh.

1827
01:30:54,920 --> 01:30:57,079
Speaker 1: They gotta go back to the Bulls. Well for Kobe White,

1828
01:30:57,479 --> 01:31:02,079
that's just keep saying you're.

1829
01:31:00,319 --> 01:31:05,359
Speaker 2: Gonna hate this, and it's fair, but just just give

1830
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:07,359
me a chance to go to explain this one. Okay,

1831
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:14,560
Ties Jones, So why is that? Come on, like that's

1832
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:18,079
not a big name, Like, come on, that's all right,

1833
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:20,039
But I'm glad I'm glad you were with me on

1834
01:31:20,079 --> 01:31:24,600
this one. Fine Ties Jones, a past first point guard,

1835
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:28,920
who's low turnover, who sets the tone, who is a

1836
01:31:29,079 --> 01:31:34,359
much better shooter than people seem to realize. There's a

1837
01:31:34,399 --> 01:31:38,159
guy who you can reasonably expect to get, I believe,

1838
01:31:39,039 --> 01:31:43,640
financially speaking, who can be installed as your starter right

1839
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:47,159
off the bat. So you have him, Saclovin is running

1840
01:31:47,159 --> 01:31:50,159
off of him. Sabonus is your secondary creator. You have

1841
01:31:50,199 --> 01:31:52,920
a leak mong As you're super six man. I think

1842
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:56,159
there's something there that grows within that unit. Because I

1843
01:31:56,199 --> 01:31:59,119
agree with you. Right now, everything is like good player here,

1844
01:31:59,239 --> 01:32:03,000
good player there, good player everywhere, without every any type

1845
01:32:03,039 --> 01:32:07,560
of cohesion. Tyas Jones is the glue. He is the

1846
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,159
cohesion connector. I think there's a there is a solution

1847
01:32:12,359 --> 01:32:14,760
to this if you get a guy like that in

1848
01:32:14,800 --> 01:32:19,000
there who can sort of just calm everyone that fucked

1849
01:32:19,079 --> 01:32:23,279
down and run the show. Now, am I gonna say

1850
01:32:23,279 --> 01:32:26,079
that they're gonna be a championship considered? No? Am I

1851
01:32:26,119 --> 01:32:30,239
gonna say that they should still consider training Demartin Rosen. Absolutely,

1852
01:32:31,279 --> 01:32:33,600
But that would go a long way in getting these

1853
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:38,439
Kings to a place where it replaces individuality with cohesion.

1854
01:32:40,119 --> 01:32:43,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, one of my stances had been I

1855
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:47,079
feel like they have two major If we entered this season,

1856
01:32:47,159 --> 01:32:48,760
they had two major holes to fill where it's like

1857
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:51,680
you need kind of another more dynamic type of player

1858
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:53,119
on the wing or that you can play next to

1859
01:32:53,119 --> 01:32:57,479
the bonus, particularly on defense, and then you needed, like

1860
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,439
I was probably gonna say, like a backup big and

1861
01:32:59,479 --> 01:33:01,920
now if you've started for the trade deadline, you keep

1862
01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:04,159
that front line wing thing, and it's they kind of

1863
01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,000
need a floor general because I just don't think Malik

1864
01:33:06,119 --> 01:33:08,479
Monk was the answer and that their offense I think

1865
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:10,600
in the regular season can get by, but when you

1866
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,279
look at them at full strength, I think they have

1867
01:33:12,359 --> 01:33:16,680
four players in DeRozan, Monks, Sabonis, and Levigne who you

1868
01:33:16,720 --> 01:33:19,399
feel great about if they are your second best playmaker,

1869
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:22,720
as your first best playmaker not so great. And maybe

1870
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:24,359
you would have felt the same way with di Iron

1871
01:33:24,399 --> 01:33:28,039
Fox too. That's that's fair, But I feel comfortable enough

1872
01:33:28,159 --> 01:33:31,399
based off Okay, now you have Jonus Valanciunis with Keegan Murray,

1873
01:33:31,439 --> 01:33:33,479
with Keon Ellis, with Jake Laavia. If you figure out

1874
01:33:33,479 --> 01:33:34,840
a way to keep him, I know they're limited in

1875
01:33:34,880 --> 01:33:38,079
what they could offer. It does feel like they might

1876
01:33:38,199 --> 01:33:41,239
be all right. The addition of an actual floor general

1877
01:33:41,239 --> 01:33:44,640
away from being something special. The thing that I would

1878
01:33:44,640 --> 01:33:47,880
disagree with is I think that player needs to be

1879
01:33:49,399 --> 01:33:52,640
appreciably better than a Tias Jones to get.

1880
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,039
Speaker 2: That's that's why I thought knew you were gonna hate it.

1881
01:33:55,720 --> 01:33:56,760
I know you're not hating.

1882
01:33:58,399 --> 01:33:59,960
Speaker 1: If you're trying to look at how do we make

1883
01:34:00,119 --> 01:34:03,560
this team better without giving up anyone? Like they what

1884
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,000
is Sacramento like twenty five million dollars under the tax

1885
01:34:06,039 --> 01:34:08,800
next year they'll be able to get Tyas Jones without

1886
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,439
bust like whatever version of the mid level or however

1887
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,079
the like he's not even gonna be with the season

1888
01:34:13,119 --> 01:34:14,800
he's had in Phoenix. I don't even know if he's

1889
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:16,439
gonna get Maybe he'll get mini mid level money. I

1890
01:34:16,439 --> 01:34:18,239
don't think he's gonna get the full non tax players

1891
01:34:18,279 --> 01:34:21,880
mid level from anybody. So that's like a like a

1892
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:24,680
pretty good situation to be in, I guess, But I

1893
01:34:24,800 --> 01:34:28,920
just don't think that them using what flexibility they have

1894
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:31,840
for free agents and maybe keeping La Rabia is gonna

1895
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:33,960
necessarily get them there. And it feels like it needs

1896
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:36,720
to be. Like I'm looking at what can I attach to,

1897
01:34:36,920 --> 01:34:40,399
preferably Derozen, but maybe Malik Monk and then go out

1898
01:34:40,399 --> 01:34:42,800
and get more of a higher end option. The problem

1899
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:45,840
is what is the name? Like I don't think Colin

1900
01:34:45,920 --> 01:34:49,039
Sexton's not gonna do it, Like that's too to Malik

1901
01:34:49,119 --> 01:34:52,520
Monk adjacent there for sure, Trey Young on this team

1902
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,279
would be just a disaster defensively for them. So what

1903
01:34:56,439 --> 01:34:58,680
name is going to become available? That kind of Kobe White?

1904
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,239
I think you need a better playmaker than that. And please,

1905
01:35:01,359 --> 01:35:03,159
I made a joke before, but do not go back

1906
01:35:03,159 --> 01:35:05,560
to the bulls well Kings, Like we've seen enough of

1907
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:09,239
that and that would be like Woul LaMelo ball, Like

1908
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:10,920
that's probably too big of a swing. And then you're

1909
01:35:10,920 --> 01:35:13,600
worrying about like the defense there as well.

1910
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 2: Like how do you even get him? Though? That's the

1911
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:16,199
thing right.

1912
01:35:16,079 --> 01:35:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, I think if you were willing to move Monk

1913
01:35:17,880 --> 01:35:19,640
and de Rosen and picks like, you can get a

1914
01:35:19,640 --> 01:35:24,039
lot of interesting salary matching material there. But there needs

1915
01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:26,439
to be a realistic name and to that, which is

1916
01:35:26,479 --> 01:35:29,159
why it bugs me because you said it at the top,

1917
01:35:29,239 --> 01:35:31,920
like dearon Fox on this team right now instead of

1918
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,279
Jamata Rosen like it would be super interesting.

1919
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:40,119
Speaker 2: I just that's that's the one. That is the one. Like, seriously,

1920
01:35:40,279 --> 01:35:44,520
I have had and at least five hours collectively on

1921
01:35:44,560 --> 01:35:50,279
the Danish podcast talking about Fox Lavine some bonus as

1922
01:35:50,319 --> 01:35:52,800
the primary trio with Keith and Murray playing like a

1923
01:35:52,840 --> 01:35:57,159
fourth option, that would rule. That would be the funnest

1924
01:35:57,159 --> 01:35:58,800
team in the NBA to watch on a night to

1925
01:35:58,880 --> 01:35:59,479
night basis.

1926
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:02,279
Speaker 1: So I have a couple of questions, just as like

1927
01:36:02,359 --> 01:36:05,039
theoretical names, none of which I'm endorsing, which is why

1928
01:36:06,239 --> 01:36:09,079
does he could be a free agent? Could happen via trade?

1929
01:36:09,359 --> 01:36:12,520
Does Fred van Fleet do anything for you on this scene?

1930
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:15,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a table center. What I would be concerned

1931
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:21,119
about is his offensive efficiency, which historically has been not great.

1932
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:26,000
So like, but is that on a team where that

1933
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:30,760
effect is minimized? I would argue yes, Like if he

1934
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:33,640
can come in and just kind of focus on taking

1935
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,439
the spot up threes, you know, being the point of

1936
01:36:36,479 --> 01:36:42,800
attack defender, playing primary playmaker on the perimeter at least, Yeah,

1937
01:36:42,880 --> 01:36:45,239
that does a lot for me. I don't hate that.

1938
01:36:46,039 --> 01:36:48,600
Speaker 1: Should they be a team if he becomes available again,

1939
01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:52,119
if John Moramp becomes available, should they be an oh.

1940
01:36:52,119 --> 01:36:55,079
Speaker 2: Of course. Of course, Again it depends on what you

1941
01:36:55,079 --> 01:36:57,119
should give up, Like you you have to have an

1942
01:36:57,119 --> 01:37:01,159
idea of one time of team you have afterwards. Like again,

1943
01:37:01,239 --> 01:37:03,239
I think what the Kings need to do right now

1944
01:37:03,319 --> 01:37:08,640
is at least stick with the Levigne bonus pairing and say, okay,

1945
01:37:09,359 --> 01:37:12,199
what can we add to those two to enhance them

1946
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:14,279
as a unit and actually add to it, because if

1947
01:37:14,319 --> 01:37:17,319
you break those two up as well, he's kind of

1948
01:37:17,359 --> 01:37:20,560
starting a little bit over. Like you need an off

1949
01:37:20,600 --> 01:37:23,159
ball wizard like Levine, you really do the way that

1950
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:26,680
heches Bend's defenses. That is the key. So if you

1951
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:28,800
get a guy like jam Moran in there and you

1952
01:37:28,840 --> 01:37:33,239
actually retain Levine and you retain some bonus that that's

1953
01:37:33,279 --> 01:37:36,159
a fun team. Yeah.

1954
01:37:36,399 --> 01:37:38,640
Speaker 1: Two more names for you, all right. This one's a

1955
01:37:38,680 --> 01:37:40,680
free agent who in theory they could probably afford. I

1956
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:42,760
don't know if he'd want to play for them, Chris Paul.

1957
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:46,960
Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be fun. Yeah, I would say yes to

1958
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:50,319
that too, because even though he's on, you know it's

1959
01:37:50,319 --> 01:37:54,920
gonna be forty right in a couple of weeks.

1960
01:37:54,319 --> 01:37:54,439
Speaker 1: Uh.

1961
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,560
Speaker 2: That's a table setter, Like he's basically an older version

1962
01:37:58,560 --> 01:38:01,159
of Tis Jones. At this point, just more seasoned and

1963
01:38:01,600 --> 01:38:03,720
more determined. So yeah, I don't hate that.

1964
01:38:04,640 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would trade him this offseason,

1965
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:10,119
but I wouldn't call him untouchable Andrew Nemhard.

1966
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,439
Speaker 2: Is he a point guard? Though?

1967
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:16,640
Speaker 1: I think he can be. I would have questions about

1968
01:38:16,640 --> 01:38:18,680
if I'm trying to up the quality of assaying from

1969
01:38:18,720 --> 01:38:20,520
Malik Monk and even de Rosen. I don't know.

1970
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:23,399
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say no because we don't know that that's

1971
01:38:23,640 --> 01:38:24,840
that's too risky.

1972
01:38:24,479 --> 01:38:28,239
Speaker 1: For me, So I'll throw another name out there. Then

1973
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:31,359
let's just say this team flames out in the playoffs

1974
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:34,800
and maybe someone else requested trade and that leads to this.

1975
01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 2: But oh, you're gonna throw Dennis Schroeder at me right now?

1976
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 1: Okay, No, I said he wasn't a free agent. Oh sorry,

1977
01:38:41,239 --> 01:38:44,199
Damian Lillard?

1978
01:38:44,960 --> 01:38:52,159
Speaker 2: Oh man, I mean yes, I think that's a lot

1979
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:56,439
of shots though. But like if the bonus is, if

1980
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:01,039
it's the bonus, Lavine and and Dame, your big three,

1981
01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,039
SA Bonus is not a hungry shot taker, No, you can.

1982
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,640
You can probably absorb that and the dripple handoff actions

1983
01:39:11,119 --> 01:39:17,119
for SA Bonus with both Levine and Dame on the floor. Yeah,

1984
01:39:17,159 --> 01:39:19,239
you know what, I'm rolling the dice on that for sure.

1985
01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:21,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite fit, by the way, would be

1986
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:23,960
Dami Lillard if things go bad in Milwaukee, which I

1987
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:26,760
don't know that I do that too, but that's my favorite. One.

1988
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:29,560
Would be funny though, if they signed him just because

1989
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:32,760
they then facilitated like his exit from San Antonio, be like,

1990
01:39:32,800 --> 01:39:35,439
well they have dearon Fox and Steph Castle the word

1991
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:36,680
like he's not going back there.

1992
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,239
Speaker 2: I I the things one is fun I like that

1993
01:39:40,279 --> 01:39:42,960
he's older, but like that seam is also kind of

1994
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:43,720
built to.

1995
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:45,560
Speaker 1: But then if you have some then if you have

1996
01:39:45,600 --> 01:39:48,399
Sabonis and Levine, like you're built to kind of right,

1997
01:39:48,439 --> 01:39:51,920
you're expensive with those three, but like not for a

1998
01:39:51,960 --> 01:39:53,960
long time when you look at the length of the

1999
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:57,720
Lillard and Levine contracts, But like that team is then

2000
01:39:57,800 --> 01:40:00,359
built infery at least with Sabonis and Levine to kind

2001
01:40:00,359 --> 01:40:03,039
of let Damian Lillard, I would say, age more gracefully

2002
01:40:03,039 --> 01:40:05,079
than Milwaukee even ken at this point.

2003
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,279
Speaker 2: Right, And if memory serve, I'm just gonna double check

2004
01:40:08,359 --> 01:40:15,039
Levine is extension eligible next this summer, so you can

2005
01:40:15,119 --> 01:40:18,000
even lock him in at a lower number.

2006
01:40:19,239 --> 01:40:21,359
Speaker 1: So you get him to decline. You're saying, decline his

2007
01:40:21,399 --> 01:40:23,520
player option to lower that twenty six number.

2008
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you have to. You have to make with

2009
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,159
Minnesota this year, right, exactly, like you make up for

2010
01:40:30,239 --> 01:40:31,560
it in years.

2011
01:40:32,479 --> 01:40:35,760
Speaker 1: That'd be really smart. Isn't Dame Extension eligible this summer too?

2012
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:36,880
Couldn't he do the same thing?

2013
01:40:37,199 --> 01:40:38,560
Speaker 2: Let me just check, you have to.

2014
01:40:38,479 --> 01:40:40,079
Speaker 1: Look, maybe I'm wrong on I that was off the

2015
01:40:40,119 --> 01:40:42,039
cuff there, but I mean he will.

2016
01:40:42,279 --> 01:40:48,119
Speaker 2: It doesn't wow spot track. It doesn't even say.

2017
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:48,920
Speaker 1: Well, he could just not be Extension older than I

2018
01:40:48,920 --> 01:40:51,720
thought he would be. But I might be wrong there regardless.

2019
01:40:51,720 --> 01:40:54,600
I mean, if Levine's enough to balance out the long

2020
01:40:54,680 --> 01:40:58,239
term books, if you extend one of them, right and

2021
01:40:58,279 --> 01:41:00,640
there by the way, there will be pressure this we

2022
01:41:00,680 --> 01:41:01,800
know we haven't spent a ton of time on the

2023
01:41:01,800 --> 01:41:04,960
trade deadline, like Lavigne is well talk about though they

2024
01:41:05,199 --> 01:41:06,439
and they by the way, they vought like you wonna

2025
01:41:06,479 --> 01:41:08,600
sound chun It's like they've all helped and Jake Laavia,

2026
01:41:08,840 --> 01:41:10,720
I like, if you're the Kings, not that you need

2027
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:12,439
to keep him, but like you hope he doesn't command

2028
01:41:12,479 --> 01:41:14,199
more than his team option money. I don't think he

2029
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:16,920
will because I think he like he can be really

2030
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:18,479
good for them. He's not hitting his threes at the

2031
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,600
clip he was when he was as I'm choking here,

2032
01:41:21,640 --> 01:41:24,000
as he was before the trade deadline, But like, that's

2033
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:25,800
someone who could be like between him and Ellis and

2034
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,920
Murray might just have enough perimeter defense cobbled together. And

2035
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:30,439
by the way, I haven't even mentioned Devin Carter.

2036
01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,239
Speaker 2: I was just about to say, Yeah, there's Devin Carter

2037
01:41:33,279 --> 01:41:35,159
who's probably gonna have a good year next year.

2038
01:41:36,039 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: Do you think he's just you're just penciling him for

2039
01:41:37,720 --> 01:41:38,880
a good year next year.

2040
01:41:39,159 --> 01:41:42,039
Speaker 2: I thought very very highly off him as a prospect

2041
01:41:42,079 --> 01:41:44,800
as well well. And I yeah, I will.

2042
01:41:44,640 --> 01:41:47,239
Speaker 1: Say if you feel that way internally, like not not

2043
01:41:47,319 --> 01:41:49,720
just you, but the King's organization, you should have less

2044
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,600
pause about getting rid of one or both of DeRozan

2045
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:54,680
and Malik Monk in service of the type of upgrades

2046
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:58,520
that we're talking about. Agreed, Let's move on to I'll

2047
01:41:58,520 --> 01:42:03,439
give you ownership of this team, your San Antonio Spurs.

2048
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:03,760
Speaker 2: That's better.

2049
01:42:04,199 --> 01:42:07,680
Speaker 1: I will say, I think their biggest trade deadline acquisition, Yes,

2050
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:09,560
they got darn Fox, you get rid of Trade Jones,

2051
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:12,439
Zach Collins. I feel like their biggest trade deadline acquisition

2052
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,479
was Steph Castle's shot making.

2053
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:22,279
Speaker 2: Yeah right, my god, that look. I don't want to

2054
01:42:22,319 --> 01:42:24,359
spend too much time on this team. This was just

2055
01:42:25,359 --> 01:42:30,439
we called it at the time. Great trade Fox. Yeah,

2056
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:32,520
like his his percentage just a down a little bit.

2057
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:35,239
He's also playing with yeahs. You can if you're watching

2058
01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:36,920
this on YouTube, you can see it on the spinker

2059
01:42:37,560 --> 01:42:41,319
uh dislocated right if memory serves like he's even considering

2060
01:42:41,399 --> 01:42:46,600
some surgery, I believe. But even if you shut him

2061
01:42:46,640 --> 01:42:49,720
down for the rest of the season, this trade is

2062
01:42:49,800 --> 01:42:53,439
still a plus because that's not a long term issue thing.

2063
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:56,439
He can come back fully healthy next year with a

2064
01:42:56,439 --> 01:43:00,279
full training camp under his belt, with Wempy healthy, feleet

2065
01:43:00,359 --> 01:43:04,760
knock on Wood, everything goes smoothly there. They'll have draft picks,

2066
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,760
they'll have optionality and free agency or just on the

2067
01:43:07,800 --> 01:43:12,800
trade market. I don't hate it. This is what they've

2068
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,760
done right now, is they've stayed the course. They didn't

2069
01:43:15,800 --> 01:43:19,640
over invest in Tierrean Fox like you said previously, Dan Like,

2070
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,279
they didn't give up a ton for him. This was

2071
01:43:22,319 --> 01:43:24,760
a very modest return for Daron Fox.

2072
01:43:26,640 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 1: Do you and I know you wrote about this, which

2073
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:32,239
is why I'm asking you, do you have any level

2074
01:43:32,239 --> 01:43:35,960
of concern about the way that darn Fox has like

2075
01:43:36,359 --> 01:43:39,319
made shots or not made shots while he's in sanate

2076
01:43:39,399 --> 01:43:40,960
during his time in San Antonio.

2077
01:43:41,239 --> 01:43:45,600
Speaker 2: Not concerned whatsoever yet. I mean this, this guy has

2078
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:48,840
just spent what seven and a half years, eight and

2079
01:43:48,880 --> 01:43:50,720
a half seven and a half, seven and a half

2080
01:43:50,800 --> 01:43:55,239
years in Sacramento, So he was kind of uprooting his

2081
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:58,479
entire life. He came from an organization that we didn't

2082
01:43:58,520 --> 01:44:01,439
even cover that with the Kings, which we probably should have,

2083
01:44:02,039 --> 01:44:07,319
Like the ownership situation and like the order of power

2084
01:44:07,560 --> 01:44:10,800
therein is super odd and super weird. So for him

2085
01:44:10,840 --> 01:44:14,640
to come to an organization that, for all intents and purposes,

2086
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:18,680
is way more streamlined, professional whatever you want to call it,

2087
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:21,079
that is going to take an adjustment. That's going to

2088
01:44:21,119 --> 01:44:22,920
be an adjustment for him. Not having to look over

2089
01:44:22,960 --> 01:44:25,800
his shoulder and think what likes the owner's daughter all

2090
01:44:25,800 --> 01:44:29,439
of a sudden gonna have influence on roster decisions like So,

2091
01:44:30,720 --> 01:44:33,079
I'm just not worried about him right now. As well

2092
01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:37,479
as the injury, like Wemby went out so shortly after

2093
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:41,159
his arrival too, that I think he was sort of

2094
01:44:41,199 --> 01:44:43,399
like having to adjust to that on the fly, because

2095
01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:45,960
he was just getting used to playing with a seven

2096
01:44:46,000 --> 01:44:48,039
to four guy who is the most unique big man

2097
01:44:48,199 --> 01:44:52,119
arguably in NBA history, and all of a sudden instead

2098
01:44:52,439 --> 01:44:56,319
it's like, oh hi, bismcbiumbo, I now have to play

2099
01:44:56,359 --> 01:45:00,359
with That's that's an adjustment as well, right, So I'm

2100
01:45:00,399 --> 01:45:01,600
not worried, not nervous.

2101
01:45:02,039 --> 01:45:04,239
Speaker 1: I'm with you too. I think it's a lot just

2102
01:45:04,239 --> 01:45:06,159
some of the threes are gonna start to fall. Like

2103
01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:08,239
the quality of threes like that he's been missing. I

2104
01:45:08,279 --> 01:45:10,880
think those are, even by his own shooting standards, will fall.

2105
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:13,640
He's actually shot almost forty excuse me, almost fifty percent

2106
01:45:13,640 --> 01:45:15,840
from mid range in San Antonio. That's fine. If you

2107
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:17,720
were to be concerned about anything, it'd be the finishing

2108
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:19,520
at the rim. But I think you just laid out

2109
01:45:19,560 --> 01:45:21,960
in part why that is on the decline, Like the

2110
01:45:22,000 --> 01:45:25,720
spacing elements, Like even if Sacramento floor balance wasn't perfect,

2111
01:45:25,880 --> 01:45:28,760
he has familiarity there, and then just it probably was

2112
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:30,359
better floor balance than you're seeing in a lot of

2113
01:45:30,399 --> 01:45:33,079
the lineups in San Antonio. The thing that I guess

2114
01:45:33,159 --> 01:45:35,560
does worry me is like the minutes he's played without

2115
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:39,760
Wemby have just been a disaster. But again the lack

2116
01:45:39,800 --> 01:45:42,680
of familiarity there. The offense at least creeps close to

2117
01:45:42,760 --> 01:45:45,159
league average during those minutes, and you could look at

2118
01:45:45,199 --> 01:45:47,600
some of the you know, like the most used combinations

2119
01:45:47,600 --> 01:45:49,720
where it's okay, he's playing with Castle and Champagnee and

2120
01:45:49,760 --> 01:45:52,600
Keldon Johnson and so hands at the five in those minutes,

2121
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:55,079
or you're playing with Beyambo and Chris Paul so you're

2122
01:45:55,119 --> 01:45:57,520
like an off guard. But the spacing is all sort

2123
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:00,319
of off. I'm not too too worried, but that is like,

2124
01:46:00,760 --> 01:46:02,800
even regardless of what you gave up to get him,

2125
01:46:02,800 --> 01:46:05,359
because he's making so much money, the idea should be

2126
01:46:05,399 --> 01:46:08,079
that we have someone to float us finally in the

2127
01:46:08,079 --> 01:46:11,560
non Wemby minutes, and we don't necessarily have evidence of that. Again,

2128
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:14,600
the sample size is so small that you could chalk

2129
01:46:14,640 --> 01:46:17,000
it up, but that will be something that especially after

2130
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:18,439
he gets to go through a training camp with them,

2131
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:20,000
like I'm gonna monitor that like a hawk.

2132
01:46:20,640 --> 01:46:24,720
Speaker 2: Yeah that's fair. I mean again, also, the finker is

2133
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:27,479
on his shooting hand, Like I'm not gonna put that

2134
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:31,079
aside and say, oh that doesn't matter, Like that obviously matters.

2135
01:46:30,880 --> 01:46:33,960
Speaker 1: There's three point shooting specifically, when you're talking about that, Yeah.

2136
01:46:33,880 --> 01:46:36,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I'm just not worried about that. I

2137
01:46:36,319 --> 01:46:40,479
get the finishing though. That's a fair point. Yeah, I

2138
01:46:41,159 --> 01:46:45,479
look that this roster minus Wemby, Like if you just

2139
01:46:45,560 --> 01:46:48,000
isolate the Aaron Fox and just puts him outside the

2140
01:46:48,039 --> 01:46:52,119
window for a second, it's not it's not fantastic. Like

2141
01:46:52,199 --> 01:46:56,199
Devin the Cell has struggled mightily this year compared to

2142
01:46:56,279 --> 01:46:58,399
last year. This has not been a good year for you.

2143
01:46:59,319 --> 01:47:03,119
Likes and Barnes love him. Still a bit on the

2144
01:47:03,119 --> 01:47:08,039
older side, like definitely a fifth option in a starting lineup.

2145
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:11,840
So hand has made some major improvements, but has been

2146
01:47:11,880 --> 01:47:14,520
in the in and out of the lineup like constantly.

2147
01:47:14,560 --> 01:47:17,840
He's this year, he's just been picking up injury after

2148
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:20,840
injury after injury. I'm not sure what the fuck is

2149
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:23,319
going on with Calton Johnson. That's also been a weird

2150
01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:27,399
year for him. So like there are some issues that

2151
01:47:27,439 --> 01:47:29,880
the Spurs have to clean up with worth the summer. Like,

2152
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:32,520
I don't think Calton Johnson is back next year. I

2153
01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:36,159
think he's gonna get moved. I'm not sure what other

2154
01:47:36,319 --> 01:47:40,319
moves they're gonna make or they're basically going to say, look, Jeremy,

2155
01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:42,319
so hang, you're gonna get another year. They're gonna sell

2156
01:47:42,359 --> 01:47:45,359
you're gonna get another year. Like let's have some level

2157
01:47:45,359 --> 01:47:47,560
of patience here. But a guy like Kelton Johnson, I

2158
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:51,640
would be pretty surprised if he's back. So we'll see

2159
01:47:51,800 --> 01:47:54,720
It's basically my my end point here. I think we're

2160
01:47:54,720 --> 01:47:56,640
gonna see a drastically different foster coming up.

2161
01:47:56,760 --> 01:47:58,239
Speaker 1: Back then, yeah, I thought Facelle was gonna have an

2162
01:47:58,239 --> 01:48:00,920
easier time kind of fitting into the New World Order,

2163
01:48:00,960 --> 01:48:03,159
and that'll be something like he's getting less shots ever since.

2164
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,800
The trade, like the usage just changes when you're integrating

2165
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:08,119
someone like d Aaron Fox and you're worried obviously about

2166
01:48:08,359 --> 01:48:10,680
Steph Castle. But I would have made the trade that's like,

2167
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:12,720
oh yeah, I'm out of ten thing. But if you

2168
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:14,560
were hoping that this was going to be more of

2169
01:48:14,560 --> 01:48:17,000
a seamless transition, I think both with him without Wemby,

2170
01:48:17,039 --> 01:48:19,359
then it's been a little bit disappointing by that regard.

2171
01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:22,520
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's more than that. So I you know obviously,

2172
01:48:22,560 --> 01:48:26,079
you know me, I watch way too much Wemby. So

2173
01:48:26,920 --> 01:48:29,600
the cell has been on my radar a lot over

2174
01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:32,479
the past two years, and what has changed this year

2175
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:36,520
is his lack of willingness to take tough shots. So

2176
01:48:36,640 --> 01:48:39,039
last year he was one of the best tough shots

2177
01:48:39,039 --> 01:48:42,600
makers in the NBA. This year he's sort of like

2178
01:48:43,239 --> 01:48:46,920
not even dared. It's like when he's coming off the

2179
01:48:46,960 --> 01:48:50,000
initial screen and he's strippling into like the mid range area.

2180
01:48:50,079 --> 01:48:52,680
Before if he had a seven to one guy just

2181
01:48:53,159 --> 01:48:55,800
rushing out at him, last year, he would shoot that

2182
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,760
boy that boy, and he would actually hit it at

2183
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:01,560
a pretty good clip. This year, he's like hesitating. He's

2184
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:04,600
passing up even like semi open shots that he wouldn't

2185
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:07,159
even think about twice last year. He's passing up like

2186
01:49:07,760 --> 01:49:10,720
this is the season to forget for him. Next year,

2187
01:49:11,319 --> 01:49:13,880
if they retain him, it has to be with a

2188
01:49:13,880 --> 01:49:17,399
different mindset. If he pulls this level of season again,

2189
01:49:18,159 --> 01:49:21,479
they're gonna have to make a very different call on him.

2190
01:49:22,079 --> 01:49:24,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair and just I think spending. I think

2191
01:49:24,199 --> 01:49:25,920
some of the tough shot making too. If you look,

2192
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:27,800
he's probably spent more time off the ball, and I

2193
01:49:27,800 --> 01:49:31,000
wonder how much of that impacts in there. But this team,

2194
01:49:31,119 --> 01:49:33,399
I still think just the bones of it. When you

2195
01:49:33,439 --> 01:49:36,720
have Fox and Bissell and Wemby and Castle of course,

2196
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:38,359
like there's really something there and you might have we'll

2197
01:49:38,359 --> 01:49:40,920
see where they land, Like they have Atlanta's pick this year.

2198
01:49:40,960 --> 01:49:43,760
They have their own pick still this year. Yeah, they

2199
01:49:43,760 --> 01:49:45,000
have their own and then I mean if they want,

2200
01:49:45,039 --> 01:49:46,760
they can make stuff happen on the trade market. And

2201
01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,640
they're they're still far enough beneath the luxury tax that

2202
01:49:49,640 --> 01:49:52,439
they could they'll have like a mid level exception that

2203
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:55,159
they could use. They're like almost the other forty almost

2204
01:49:55,159 --> 01:49:57,800
forty five million under the tax. Next year's like maybe

2205
01:49:57,800 --> 01:49:59,359
they get someone good with a non tax payer mid

2206
01:49:59,479 --> 01:50:02,199
level and as we just I saw with Fox, they

2207
01:50:02,279 --> 01:50:04,760
have someone who everybody apparently wants to play with.

2208
01:50:05,640 --> 01:50:08,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, look, it's funny because we're sitting here

2209
01:50:08,399 --> 01:50:12,000
talking about, oh yeah, they have these options, like theories

2210
01:50:12,039 --> 01:50:16,439
have chance that they over the next what eighteen games

2211
01:50:16,439 --> 01:50:18,600
for how many of games they have left of the season,

2212
01:50:18,680 --> 01:50:22,239
they just go completely into the basement and they move

2213
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:26,199
up the draft ranks, Like this could be a scene

2214
01:50:26,199 --> 01:50:28,760
that walks away with Cooper Flag or a Dylan Harper

2215
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:33,800
or in Ace Bailey or in VJ. Edgecombe, Like that's preposterous.

2216
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that if they end up winning the lottery,

2217
01:50:38,039 --> 01:50:38,600
that'll be.

2218
01:50:39,239 --> 01:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Oh, that's it. That's it, just like sixteen franchises, just

2219
01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:45,800
full years.

2220
01:50:45,800 --> 01:50:47,680
Speaker 1: Even if they shoot into the top four, that just

2221
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:50,479
becomes like, oh shit, yeah, all right. You wanted to

2222
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:53,840
talk about this team, the Phoenix Suns, owners of the

2223
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:59,479
NBA's worst defense since the trade deadline. Nick Richards shoot

2224
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:02,680
almost seventy percent from the floor. They have Cody Martin Vasamisich,

2225
01:51:02,720 --> 01:51:05,119
They got rid of use of Nurkic and Josha Koge.

2226
01:51:05,239 --> 01:51:07,319
We all know about that first round pick trade twenty

2227
01:51:07,359 --> 01:51:10,840
and thirty one to Utah for three less favorable first

2228
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:15,840
round picks. What like, yeah, what are your thoughts on

2229
01:51:15,880 --> 01:51:18,520
this team? Prost trade deadline? More so, I.

2230
01:51:18,560 --> 01:51:21,800
Speaker 3: Wanted to trade I wanted to talk about them solely

2231
01:51:21,840 --> 01:51:25,399
because Nick Richards was a pre trad trade deadline deal.

2232
01:51:25,840 --> 01:51:29,560
Speaker 2: Like, he wasn't traded near the trade deadline. He was like, Luka, Doncic,

2233
01:51:29,920 --> 01:51:33,720
timing guy. He's been playing well, Like these sons have

2234
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:39,039
been grotesquely disappointing this year, but we at least got

2235
01:51:39,079 --> 01:51:44,039
to give them credit for identifying accurately. So Nick Richards

2236
01:51:44,119 --> 01:51:47,000
getting him into the fold. He's played well I've really

2237
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:51,520
enjoyed watching him play. Like, yes, the numbers are you know,

2238
01:51:52,079 --> 01:51:55,279
ten points, nine and a half rebounds, so it's not

2239
01:51:55,359 --> 01:51:59,000
like it's all star caliber numbers or anything, but you

2240
01:51:59,039 --> 01:52:03,039
can tell that the motivation level of just getting out

2241
01:52:03,119 --> 01:52:07,560
of Charlotte was huge. Like he's he's in, He's like

2242
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:11,159
involved in every single play. He's way more focused. I

2243
01:52:11,359 --> 01:52:15,760
just love how he's looked there. Unfortunately, the rest of

2244
01:52:15,800 --> 01:52:19,760
the roster, for whatever reason that we probably won't really know,

2245
01:52:20,199 --> 01:52:24,960
has not found a way to win games. That's obviously tough,

2246
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:27,079
but I'm just gonna want to I want to give

2247
01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:28,600
Nick Richards his flowers. I think.

2248
01:52:30,760 --> 01:52:33,199
Speaker 1: Fair does not make a difference because this team is

2249
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:35,640
depressing as hell, and even more depressing Cody Martin has

2250
01:52:35,640 --> 01:52:38,319
never even played for them because of a abdominal injury,

2251
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:40,760
which I'm just gonna blame that on the Suns too,

2252
01:52:40,880 --> 01:52:42,840
even though he clearly did not suffer it with the team.

2253
01:52:43,439 --> 01:52:47,840
Shout out con Gillespie, though he's had some good minutes

2254
01:52:47,880 --> 01:52:49,399
for them. No, you're just staring at me like I'm

2255
01:52:49,399 --> 01:52:51,840
an idiot, not a Congo Leespie fan. Might have saved

2256
01:52:51,840 --> 01:52:53,239
their their season and future.

2257
01:52:53,359 --> 01:52:58,399
Speaker 2: No, look if we're at that point then then we

2258
01:52:58,479 --> 01:52:59,319
know shit hit the fan.

2259
01:52:59,800 --> 01:53:02,880
Speaker 1: Well, well that was fun. Would you be able to

2260
01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:06,000
tell our fine listeners and viewers subscribers in general, they

2261
01:53:06,039 --> 01:53:08,359
can find you more than all the fantastic work that

2262
01:53:08,439 --> 01:53:08,680
you do.

2263
01:53:08,960 --> 01:53:11,680
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you can find me over at Blue Sky, at

2264
01:53:11,800 --> 01:53:16,600
MSJ n b A. If you want to go find

2265
01:53:16,600 --> 01:53:19,279
my articles, you can find them over at Yahoo Sports

2266
01:53:19,399 --> 01:53:21,399
or at four. So I'm taking a break from SI

2267
01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:25,600
these days. If you speak Danish, you can go catch

2268
01:53:25,640 --> 01:53:30,079
Buzzer Beater, or you can go to the NPA podcast

2269
01:53:30,239 --> 01:53:34,560
if you are a native English speaker instead.

2270
01:53:35,960 --> 01:53:38,239
Speaker 1: I echo everything he said. More does great work, does

2271
01:53:38,239 --> 01:53:41,159
a fantastic job covering me entirely. You have a Danish

2272
01:53:41,199 --> 01:53:42,840
word for me of Dan learns.

2273
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:45,079
Speaker 2: Dangers and I've even added props.

2274
01:53:46,640 --> 01:53:49,640
Speaker 1: Oh he's got props. If you're watching on YouTube, that

2275
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:50,359
is a spoon.

2276
01:53:50,840 --> 01:53:54,399
Speaker 2: That is indeed a spoon, and that is called eski

2277
01:53:55,640 --> 01:54:02,680
escape sk sk skate skate skate sk There we go.

2278
01:54:02,760 --> 01:54:03,439
That was a good one.

2279
01:54:03,600 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 1: So it's like, is it it's skate? I still like

2280
01:54:07,039 --> 01:54:07,920
Nihla sucks the beck.

2281
01:54:10,000 --> 01:54:12,560
Speaker 3: I'm so amazed that that's the one you remember. I

2282
01:54:12,600 --> 01:54:14,800
thought for sure that was the most complicated one, and

2283
01:54:14,840 --> 01:54:15,840
you're like, yeah.

2284
01:54:16,239 --> 01:54:18,399
Speaker 1: Incompetent, Like, isn't that incompetent?

2285
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:23,079
Speaker 2: That? God, damn Dan, that's good. That was very good.

2286
01:54:23,600 --> 01:54:25,920
Oh my god, I'm very proud of you right now.

2287
01:54:26,079 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 1: You know the one I forgot, but I know I

2288
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:29,439
can't say it when you came up with the one

2289
01:54:29,479 --> 01:54:31,239
for hat, I keep getting it wrong.

2290
01:54:32,039 --> 01:54:37,199
Speaker 2: Kiskit eskit? Was that not the one? Yeah, kiskit kis kit.

2291
01:54:37,479 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 1: That's the one that I can't get right.

2292
01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was it. You actually pronounced it pretty well.

2293
01:54:41,319 --> 01:54:44,000
Speaker 1: All right, there we go. But I will always know clippers,

2294
01:54:44,920 --> 01:54:47,720
so we need to care about nail clippers specific specifically.

2295
01:54:49,239 --> 01:54:52,039
Speaker 2: Sure it's gonna benefit you greatly when you miss opiated.

2296
01:54:53,079 --> 01:54:55,520
Speaker 1: Until next time, and as always, I leave you with

2297
01:54:55,560 --> 01:54:57,800
a shout out to the one, the only the indellible

2298
01:54:57,880 --> 01:55:01,079
still floating around out there and can say your favorite

2299
01:55:01,159 --> 01:55:04,239
NBA team season two if they just let him, mister

2300
01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:07,439
frank Ila Keina