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a minute, some question marks even in victory defending his

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IVF Welterway title. No question about Jesse Vam Rodriguez. We're

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Dan Rayfield upfront. Neither one of us in a very

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now in Virginia. I watched it from field level on

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a ninety plus degree heat and humidity day in Tampa,

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where my Buccaneers fizzled out. Your Giant's fizzled out on

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and when they come back from the bye week, that

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that terrible starting quarterback Daniel Jones will have a nice

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soft cushion on the bench. Yeah.

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key Sean Davis off of what we you know. When

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we left on the preview on this pod, we didn't

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know what that situation was with the opponent Limos being

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so overweight, he ends up making the secondary way in

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the fight stayed on for Friday night, and then it

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did not take long, my friend, for Kishan to get

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rid of his Argentinian opponent. All your thoughts on that

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in the top rank main event.

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Speaker 2: I thought Kishon Davis looked like a superstar. That was

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the birth of a possible star for a lot of

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different reasons. First of all, the fact that he willingly

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took this fight with a man that was that much

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heavier than he was, because as we discussed, he was

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what six pounds too heavy plus six plus pounds too

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heavy at the weigh in. Yeah, they made a financial deal.

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He had to do the second day weaycheck, which wasn't

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even an imposition because in the state of Virginia, every

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boxer on the card is required to do a morning

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of the fight way check, so he just had to

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be within the linit. But he was still well over

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what he was supposed to be, So that was the

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first thing. The second thing is Kishon Davis against an

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opponent that the folks in Norfolk, Virginia, his hometown, not

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know anything about. For the most part, still sold the

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building out. There's not a lot of guys can solid

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a ten thousand seed arena in the United States. Even

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that they're fighting in their hometown. That makes him an

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attraction right away. And on top of that, he went

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out there and after all the talk he did, he

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took care of business and did so extremely extremely impressive fashion.

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I put a thing on my social media after that

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and I mentioned all the things throlling around, the weight

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problem with his opponent, how much bigger he was, the

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pressures of the hometown, having sold out the building, your

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first main event, your first time fighting at home in

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a fight as a professional, the fact that your two brothers,

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your older brother and your younger brother, but had both

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already won on the card, and now it's all on you.

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run of the mill, you know, a forgettable kind of victory.

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He went out there and he closed the show like

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the superstar is supposed to do. I said it was

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one of the most impressive performances based on all those

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a very long time, and this is a really outstanding

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young fighter. Now in twenty twenty two, at the end

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of the year, I picked him as the prospect of

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the year. We followed him since he turned professional after

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the silver medal victory, and well, actually I take that back.

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the Olympic Games. Matter of fact, I've told the story

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about being in the car with him and his brother in.

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a Canelo Alvarez fight and we were going to the airport.

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Speaker 1: It was one It was the one at Cowboys Stadium

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that he was undercard when he beat Billy Joe Saunders,

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right right.

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the car going to the airport. We just happened to

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be in the same car, the shuttle that was going there,

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and we were just talking about the fight. And then

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the Olympic team, that he was going back to the amateurs,

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and he knew that when he was at in the

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professional fight, so he was able to compartmentalize. So he's

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got a good head on his shoulders. But the thing

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about it is also remember he had that terrible no

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decision against Nahir Albright where he won the fight, but

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it was a very sketchy performance. He got the deserved decision,

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and then after the fact that he had the failed

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marijuana test, so he was hit with the suspension because

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in and he also had the fact that he got

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suspended for six months. And ever since then, you know,

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to do what he's going to do as a fighter.

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The victory against Uh what totally destroyed Jose Pedraza, the

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real ragged, tough decision he grinded out against Madueno. And

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then this at the hometown to just pummel Gustavolamos, who

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had absolutely nothing. He scored, you know, two knockdowns and

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uh and just a you know, a devastating knockout uh

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in the in the third in the second time. In

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the second round, Yeah, looked really, really good. And by

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the way, he knew this going in and now it's

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you know, I don't think it's like a signed or

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done deal, but very very likely his next fight will

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w b O belt. He is in that position with

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the organization, as he said to me in the interview

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him and Barentchek, who is not promoted by Top Rank,

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but they have an option on his next fight because

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of the fact that they did the title fight against

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that that that's probably gonna be the fight, and that

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they've been going back and forth on their direct messages

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about fighting each other. That's another that's another good test

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because you know, say what Joan about Lamos whatever, Branchick

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was an Olympian, He's got a world title. He comes

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UH and the and the great Ukrainian team that that

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they produced h that that also had Alexander Votzik. I

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mean just there's a really superb group of fighters that

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came out of that team, and Brentchick was part of that.

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He's just sort of kind of come to the pros

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with or some wreck ignition much later than those other guys.

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But anyway, the bottom line is Keishon Davis look absolutely spectacular.

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He brought life back to the scope where hadn't had

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a big fight there since thirty years ago when Pernol

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Whitaker was the welterweight world champion. He defeated Buddy mcgert

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in that same building in a rematch. This is in

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October nineteen ninety four, so almost thirty years practically to

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the day that that occurred. So look, he's on the

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upswing big time. I'm feeling real good about my prospect

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of year pick a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he looked tru I can't add much more to

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what you said other than that was an electric performance.

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we like. So there's a lot to like there. There's

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a lot to like from Keishon, and let's see if

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the title fight will be next.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of love the attitude that he had

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all week, you know, just taking care of business like

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a trip. You know, you've seen your business man. He

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did the professional thing the way we carried himself.

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Speaker 1: We've seen to your point, some of these guys reached

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his prograe in New Orleans and a couple of others

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a little bit fighting in the hometown, and then they

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just look awful for whatever reason or plural that was

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Speaker 2: And it's not only not only does are the brothers

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fighting out there, and he's got his sisters or singing

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the national anthem. I think it's like it's like a

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dream come true for the kid who he you know,

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the interviews he did beforehand. When I interviewed him about that,

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he and his brothers, you know, had talked about this

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ever since their amateur days, about you know, someday having

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this type of caliber event in Norfolk. And this is

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not the end. This is the beginning. Now when he

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fights for the title, you know, who knows if it'll

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be in Norfolk. You know, Brenchick may have a say

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about that, but you can be damn sure if he

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does win the title, they're coming back to. I would

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be willing to bet you anything that his first defense

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will be in Norfolk, Virginia, and when that happens, I

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three and a half hour rides out.

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Speaker 2: Well, the the M track it's about Yeah, maybe it

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worth it, worth it. I'll make the trip down there.

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You know What're a crazy teacher. I've lived in Virginia

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now for almost twenty five years, and I've never been

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south of Richmond in my own state. Really, yes, sir, wow,

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I've never been to that area. My wife has been there.

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Speaker 1: You're about to have a reason to be there. If

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it's a world title fight.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to that. Yeah, credit on him all right.

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is victorious Abdullah Mason with a knockout. What else stood

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out from the Friday Night undercard The top rank undercard.

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Speaker 2: Well Isley in the co feature. Issley is also a

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Virginia fighter, fighting his first fight as a professional in

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his home state. He actually lives from in Alexandria, Virginia,

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and he was in there against a fighter named Tyler Howard,

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who was, you know, got a good record going in

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with twenty wins and just one defeat and eleven knockedouts,

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but really club level kind of fighter. And I was

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kind of disappointed that was a bad fight Howard. It

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was mostly Howard's fault. He just would not fight the guy.

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shown some moments where he looks like he could be

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was a bad performance. And he got to win, no

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doubt about it. He won, you know, nine to one

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on two cards and eight to two and the other

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he clearly dominated the fight. I was just a little

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disappointed that he wasn't a little more aggressive to try

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to go get the guy when he's so far ahead.

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reckless and drop your hands and put yourself in some

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kind of bad position, but you can step on the

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gas a little bit. And it just it was fought

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the ninth or the tenth round. So he wins the

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fight and did the job, and you know he's moving

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question I have about Isley is this, can he get

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himself to the next level. There's no question he's got

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the background with the Olympics. He's got a great coach

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in terms of the team around him with Brian mcintie

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and that whole team. Not to mention, you know, being

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in in the gym with a guy like Terrence Crawford

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and some of the other guys that are there. He

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does have a close relationship with fighters like Keishawn Davis.

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They support each other so that the infrastructure, if you will,

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for the young man's career is there. He has ability,

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and he just want to see him be a little

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more like just something a little more of a spark

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in the way he fights. But he's got talent and

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I won't be surprised if he gets a title opportunity.

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Maybe it'll even win one at some point. But that

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was the co feature. Now you talked about the main

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fight below with the two main fights, that was the

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Abdullah Mason fight against Johann Vasquez, a lightweight Abdullah Mason

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who most people are looking at as a high candidate

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for Prospect of the Year this year. You saw the

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fight TJ. What absolutely this is what I would call

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an electrifying shootout for two rounds. I mean, absolutely chaotic,

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absolutely nuts. You know. The bad news is that Abdullah

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Mason would look absolutely flawless to his first you know,

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fifteen fights of his professional career. Now he goes into

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fight number sixteen and what happens. He gets knocked down

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twice in the first round and.

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Speaker 1: This and this was trouble and this is where you

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find out what a guy's made of to some degree,

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right Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he wasn't that hurt, but he got clipped

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and you know by a non uh not a you know,

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the guy he thought was not like a bomb or anything,

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but a guy with you know, had a pretty good

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record of twenty six wins five losses going in. I mean,

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he was at a certain level, but uh, I guess

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you got to say he's the best guy that Abdula

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Amazon had fought so far.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And he kept getting hit with I think it was

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like the left hand, but he also got knocked down himself,

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and Mason was able to come back and stop him

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in round two. Uh, you know, and and just a

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very explosive like that's probably kind of a you know,

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a Round of the year type round, you know what

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I mean. I mean, Desquez lands the clean left in

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the first round knocks him down. That first round was

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absolutely nuts. Like I just mentioned, Mason got got hurt

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by a right hand later in the round, and then

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as soon as he got hurt with that shot, he

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immediately landed his own shot that was a beautiful left

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uppercut that put Vasquez on the deck and a lot

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harder of a manner than Mason had gotten knocked down himself.

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Like Mason, he got hit clean and he went down,

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and I never got the feeling he was really badly hurt.

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But when he responded to the next shot that he

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got touched with and dropped Vasquez, Vasquez was absolutely hurt.

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He also looked like he twisted his knee on the

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way to the canvas, which couldn't help the situation. But

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then so he got up and he was still kind

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of shaky from being dropped, and he comes back and

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he lands the hook on Mason's chin and he goes

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down for the second time. So he had those knockdowns

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back and forth in the wild first round, which was

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highly unexpected. But then in the second round, you know,

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you know, Mason took it to him. The left hand

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was very, very debilitating. He kept hitting him with the

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left hand, he hit him with a body shot and

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on the second and then he knocked him down with

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the body shot that really did it. Is the final knockdown,

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and you know, he just went to a knee. You know,

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I don't know if he just couldn't get up or

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didn't want to get up, or didn't know where he

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was or whatever, but he stayed on the knee and

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he got counted out. But on the one hand, you're right,

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he showed a little bit about what he's made of

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in terms of overcoming some adversity which we have not

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seen in any of his previous fifteen professional fights. But

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then you also have to wonder and be questioning, and

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I think it's fair to say Hey, you're gonna get

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dropped two times by those types of shots, Like what

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are you gonna do when you're in with a really

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serious opponent, So you know it's a double edged sword.

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I guess he does have things he can go back

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to the gym and work on. It doesn't take away

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the outstanding year he has had. He's now five to

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zero with five knockouts in twenty twenty four. He was

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talking about it in the interview afterwards. I want to

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be prospect of the year. Some people might have a

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change of heart when they look and see what happened

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in this particular fight, and it's gonna be a lot

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of fun to watch him and see how he continues

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to develop. I think that, you know, top rank, they

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have excellent matchmakers, and they'll maybe they'll rain him in

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slightly at least in the next fight before they they

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maybe want to him up a little bit more next year.

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He did make mention in his interview that that would

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be his last eight round fight. I'm not entirely sure

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that's going to be the case. I don't know if

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he's ready to jump into tens. I know this only

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went two, but you know, you might have to go

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to ten if it's scheduled for ten. So there's no

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rush with him. That's the thing. He's just a young guy.

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I mean, he's in the sport. He's really just a

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baby basically, so he's only twenty years old. So there's

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really no hurry to jump into ten rounders to really

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dramatically step up the opposition. But from entertainment value, TJ,

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what an exciting two round fight.

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Speaker 1: And again the Davis brothers were both winners and ray

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Selem was also a winner. It was a lot on

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that card.

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Speaker 2: On Friday night. Kelvin is the older brother. He won

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a decision against his opponent. Yeah, yes, Solano. The exciting

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moment in there was you know, he dominated the fight,

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want to shut out on one card and like you know,

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seven rounds to one on the other card. He did

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knock him down in the last round, almost had him

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out of there, couldn't quite stop him. So that was

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that was his performance. And their brother Keon Davis, who's

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only twenty three, who was making his pro debut after

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a very good amateur career. He won a shutout decision

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thirty forty to thirty six on on on their scorecards.

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So it was a night to celebrate the Davis family.

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Their mom was there, their scissors were there. Big deal.

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And you mentioned in the opening fight, Top Rank was

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taking a look at right East Allen. You know, he's

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not signed to the company, but he fits in really

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well at one hundred and twenty six pounds. He was

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a good contender at one twenty two, had the opportunity,

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didn't quite get over the hump and a title eliminated

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loss of the decision in Australia. But you know, the

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guys at Top rank know him. He's based in Vegas,

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They've seen him in the gym. The matchmakers know him,

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they're friendly with him, and they had They are busy

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in that weight class. I had one hundred and twenty

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six and one hundred and thirty. Top Ranks had a

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lot of business and so you can you know, there's

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never you know, he can never have enough good contenders

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and right eas aleem one percent fits in that category.

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So I think what they saw was him win by

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a shutout. It looked good had had been off for

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a little while, and it wouldn't shock me if they

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give another fighter, maybe sign him to a contract and

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you know, put him in the mix with some of

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the other guys they have in the division, either at

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that weight class or even at the one hundred and

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twenty six pound weight class. So he fit in good

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there and he got the head a round decision. On

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to the next.

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Speaker 1: Onto The next for us is the Saturday night Matchroom

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de Zone card in Philadelphia. As I alluded to at

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the beginning here of the pod, Jaran boots Ennis, same song,

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second verse, better fight here, more competitive fight. He does

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get the win. I know you're touting. You called it,

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you got the decision. I thought you were dead meet though.

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I thought you were like on the grill, like the

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stake I had on the grill Friday night at the

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Reeves Household when Ennis got the knockdown of a Chikazian.

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But the end result is Chakaziin got up, was tough

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enough to hang in there, and from my standpoint, he

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hit boots Ennis an awful lot throughout this fight. Throughout

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the back half of this fight, he continued to hit him.

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I think there's some question marks about Innis's defense, his

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hands being low. I mean, you know so sure you're

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gonna get hit on occasion, But I thought he'd got

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to me he got hit a lot in this fight,

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so he ends up winning. There's not a dispute or

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a question whether he won. But I think we have

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a question mark about lack of defense, and we saw

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this in another in his fight too, where he took

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some shots in a fight. Right, How concerned are you?

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Tell me what you saw out of the IBF welterweight

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champ getting the victory.

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Speaker 2: I think all those things you said are fair game,

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no question about it. I think it's a few different things.

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One and I'll take him for his word. He spoke

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about being tight at one forty seven, that it's becoming

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more difficult for him to make the weight and so

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maybe he didn't have the easiest weightcut this time, and

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he's been in the welterweight division's entired career. He's still

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twenty seven, but it may be time, as he said,

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and as promoter Eddie Hearn said, maybe time to move

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up to one hundred and fifty four pounds. So that's

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the first thing, perhaps that's part of the performance. The

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second thing is he alluded to that it might have

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been hard to get up to fight Shikonzi because they

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had already fought a year and a half ago, and

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he didn't just win the fight, he won every round.

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So even if you train hard and you come in

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good condition and all that, it stands to reason that

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somewhere in the recesses of your mind, you're not taking

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maybe as seriously. You don't feel as threatened if you're

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fighting another top name or another champion or something like that.

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So you might, like, you know, the the terminology that

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Eddie Eddie hearn uses like. He wasn't necessarily switched on

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the way he would have been if it was a

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better opponent. So I think there's something for that, because

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he won twelve to nothing. But here's the thing. When

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they met in the rematch, the style of fight that

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chakazi And brought to the ring was one hundred and

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eighty degrees different. I mean, in the first fight, he

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ran the whole fight. He did not engage at all,

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refuse to fight. The guy boring, stinking, running, holding mess

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and boots just you know, outpointed them very easily. This

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was the exact opposite. Chakazian stood his ground, he fought back,

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he was aggressive, He landed some heavy duty punches, he

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took some heavy duty punches. Sot A tremendous chin, and

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so maybe he was a bit surprised to see that

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kind of game from a man that looked exactly the

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same as the guy that stood in front of him

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a year and a half ago. That back then he

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had hair and the Jikazi that showed up on Saturday

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was bald. But the point is they're the same guy,

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and like he's fighting an entirely different style of fight,

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and he showed a great chin. And so the combination

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of maybe having the weight problems, not being as mentally

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geared up for this fight because of what he'd already

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had done, and then finding out that the guy is

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going to fight entirely different, uh, and you know you

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can't put him away. And as you mentioned, a leaky

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on the defense, I mean, you know, it was like

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the Titanic in the Iceberg, the leaks, the leaks, the leaks.

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I mean, you got to shore that up. If he's

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in there with a top notch guy. They're talking about

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him fighting that one hundred fifty four against Virtual artis

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if your leaky defense is like that against the Vision Artist,

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you're going to sleep because that's a guy who's a

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big puncher. So it was not a great performance, but

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maybe we'll spur him on to realize I got to

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get my shit together and be better. I'll say this also,

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and I'm a Jaron Ennis fan. I think he's a

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tremendous talent. He's got a nice personality. They interviewed him

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a couple times, likable for a lot of different reasons.

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Drew a crowd again, maybe not as big as what

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they drew back when he fought that I have an

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Essen fight in July. The second time was not as

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big a deal as the first time. Part of that

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was the opponent. But here's the thing. For all the

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00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,559
lauding that he's getting from a lot of people about

477
00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:20,920
being a pound for pound talent and in this future

478
00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,240
superstar and blah blah blah, hasn't had a chance to

479
00:21:25,279 --> 00:21:27,400
show it against top opponents. Yet. Part of it's not

480
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:29,359
his fault because a lot of guys didn't want to

481
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:31,319
fight him. But if you really get down and look

482
00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,039
at who he actually has fought, it's really a very

483
00:21:35,079 --> 00:21:37,799
weak group of opponents. I mean, when your best opponent

484
00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:40,640
is like a used up Sergey Lipinitz, or maybe a

485
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,119
David Evanissian, or maybe a Romantia, like, it's not a

486
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,839
murderer's row. So and then you see the performance against

487
00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,640
that he turned in on Saturday night, and you have

488
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,200
to question, do we really think he's pound for pound?

489
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,319
That was not a pound for pound performance. Now, I

490
00:21:56,319 --> 00:21:58,599
don't have him on the pound for pound list, and

491
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,599
I don't think he's fought anybody that would have warrant

492
00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:02,000
you to put him on there. Now, if he had

493
00:22:02,039 --> 00:22:05,160
that kind of performance against a guy that everybody thought

494
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,599
it was a pound repound guy, you could maybe make,

495
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,559
you know, you could understand and rationalize it because well,

496
00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:13,039
he's fighting an elite, elite opponent. That was not the

497
00:22:13,079 --> 00:22:15,079
case with the Garden. He faded on Saturday, faced on

498
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,480
Saturday night. So they want to unify. I get that.

499
00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,480
I look around at the way class and I'm thinking

500
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:24,599
to myself, there's good fighters there. Mario Barrios, who's gonna

501
00:22:24,599 --> 00:22:27,039
fight on the Tyson Jake Paul card coming up on Friday.

502
00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,079
You got a Brian Norman who they tried to make

503
00:22:30,079 --> 00:22:32,920
a deal with before this Chakazian fight was made, and

504
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:36,079
they obviously failed in those negotiations. Maybe they can, you know,

505
00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:40,000
revisit that. Although Norman is supposedly going to reschedule the

506
00:22:40,039 --> 00:22:42,319
Quavis fight for the early part of next year. We'll

507
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:44,039
see what happens with that. And the other title holder

508
00:22:44,079 --> 00:22:47,680
is Amantis Stanionis, who's a WBA title holder. So all

509
00:22:47,759 --> 00:22:51,039
solid guys, but none of those are what I will

510
00:22:51,079 --> 00:22:53,480
consider like a big fight. There is no like, you know,

511
00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,480
Terrence Crawford, Keith Thurman, Danny Garcia, John Porter, Errol Spence.

512
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,119
I'm thinking of that group of guys that were in

513
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,519
and around the championship level for a long time. The

514
00:23:02,559 --> 00:23:05,279
division has gone over a complete facelifts. So none of

515
00:23:05,279 --> 00:23:07,519
those opponents are going to give you a huge amount

516
00:23:07,599 --> 00:23:10,720
of credit or money for that matter. So maybe the

517
00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,000
right move is to go to one fifty four. You've major,

518
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,720
you know, you won your title, you defended it a

519
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,200
couple of times. You move up to one fifty four.

520
00:23:18,559 --> 00:23:20,640
They're talking about doing the Virtual Ortise fight. That's a

521
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,119
fight Edie Hearn wants to do. That's a fight Oscar embraces.

522
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,480
That's a fight that I think Turkey al Chic would

523
00:23:25,519 --> 00:23:27,319
be interested in. And that's a fight where we can

524
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,000
see one of the you know, one of the one

525
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,799
of the I think that'd be an absolutely amazing fight

526
00:23:30,839 --> 00:23:32,519
if you put those two guys together, if they're not

527
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:34,559
if they're will as long as they're willing to do

528
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:37,160
the match, so I think that might be the best case.

529
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,640
But I was, I mean, the crazy thing is as

530
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,720
much as the first fight between Ennis and Chikazi and

531
00:23:42,839 --> 00:23:45,720
Suck the Bone a year and a half ago. Uh,

532
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,839
the fight on Saturday was a pretty entertaining fight relatively speaking.

533
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,960
Was that it was kind of a nun They were

534
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:52,119
all sort of the same, but it was.

535
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,559
Speaker 1: I kind of flew by it. He could have put

536
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:59,000
him away in the fifth and again to Chikazian's credit,

537
00:23:59,039 --> 00:24:01,359
he got up, he fall back, he survived the round,

538
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,759
and he kept fighting and he kept landing. It was

539
00:24:03,839 --> 00:24:06,839
a compelling fight. He even landed big, like in the

540
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,559
eleventh round where it looked like he might have buzzed

541
00:24:09,599 --> 00:24:11,559
Jeron in Us for a minute. So yeah, competitive fight,

542
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,079
and I agree totally with you. There are still questions

543
00:24:14,079 --> 00:24:15,599
to be answered at the higher level.

544
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:17,640
Speaker 2: So the in the fifth round though he mentioned like

545
00:24:18,279 --> 00:24:20,160
I think he took that he took a knee more

546
00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,960
more just to get away from more punishment than opposed

547
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,960
to like really being badly hurt. So that to me

548
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,559
told me at least Takazi and has some intelligence when

549
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:29,559
he's fighting. So the knee, I think was more self

550
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:31,839
preservation than oh my god, I'm really hurt and I

551
00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:33,839
have to go to the canvas. So that's the first thing.

552
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,960
And then also later in the you know, because he

553
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:37,440
was taking a lot of punishment and he was kind

554
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,319
of fading in the later part of the fight. He

555
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,160
was getting really tired, so he resorted to a lot

556
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,400
of holding. And finally the referee, who was Harvey Duck,

557
00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:45,960
who was one of the best referees in boxing, did

558
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:47,759
take a point from him in a round ten, So

559
00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:50,319
at that point, you know, he's way behind in terms

560
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,440
of the scoring. I will say this though, I thought

561
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:55,599
the scores that Steve Weisfeld gave out which was one sixteen,

562
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,079
one ten and Eric Marlinsky won seventeen one oh nine,

563
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,960
thought those were very reasonable cars. You could have maybe

564
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,799
had it one eighteen to oneh eight and that would

565
00:25:03,799 --> 00:25:06,160
have been reasonable. I did think that the Braslow card

566
00:25:06,559 --> 00:25:09,880
one nineteen one oh seven was was really outside of

567
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,000
the realm of like an acceptable score. There's no doubt

568
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,319
in my mind that Chickanzi won more than one round

569
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,839
of that fight, but gotch You know, we always talking

570
00:25:16,839 --> 00:25:17,279
about this.

571
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,759
Speaker 1: The the bottom line is in this one, and there's

572
00:25:21,799 --> 00:25:24,839
more to prove all right now where you're saying I'm

573
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,160
not sure if Jaron Innis deserves to be or actually

574
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:29,920
you were saying he doesn't deserve right now to be

575
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:31,119
in the pound for pound.

576
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,039
Speaker 2: He did, he didn't deserve it before this fight.

577
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,359
Speaker 1: The co feature fighter Jesse Vam Rodriguez is certainly making

578
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:41,400
a case, especially he's a smaller guy. What an explosive

579
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,480
performance from him as advertised, power in both hands, and

580
00:25:45,519 --> 00:25:50,599
he wipes out Pedro Givara, including a big time uppercut

581
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,759
that that leveled him and finished things off. Your thoughts

582
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:58,480
on his title defense and his ceiling continues to rise

583
00:25:58,599 --> 00:25:59,160
and rise.

584
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,599
Speaker 2: This guy, he's a fantastic fighter. I mean, Guivara was

585
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,279
not close to his best opponent, But a couple of

586
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,480
things about Govara very experienced, been into a lot of

587
00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:11,880
top guys, had never been stopped before, was a champion

588
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,079
in a smaller weight division. Earned this fight the hard way.

589
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,599
He went on the road to Australia and he won

590
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,000
a well deserved split decision over Andrew Maloney in a

591
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,119
fight that took place earlier this year. So he gets

592
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:27,839
this opportunity now to fight Bam. And I thought that

593
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,680
he would get knocked out, but I thought he would

594
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,839
take this fight much deeper into the fight because of

595
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,960
his experience and and all the reasons I just said

596
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,319
to you, and be dam Redriguez has never really shown

597
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,240
himself to be like the fastest start of the world.

598
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,519
He's got when he does get knockouts, a lot of

599
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:46,880
them have been you know, later in the fight, a

600
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,759
couple of early knockouts along the way. But anyway, uh, Bam,

601
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:51,960
Rodriguez is a fantastic count. I mean, he scored a

602
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,279
spectacular victory in his last fight back in June when

603
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,319
he when he just pummeled on Wan Francisco, a Straut

604
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,319
who was a future Hall of Famer to start his

605
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,319
second reign with the WBC title. This was the belt

606
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,359
he gave up by the way, had moved down in

607
00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,039
wait and when he came back to the division, you know,

608
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:09,440
he's like, this is the guy that housed my old title,

609
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,240
and he knocked him out. So he took him back

610
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:15,680
and he won the lineal title in the process. I mean,

611
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,440
I don't know what else you can say about Bam

612
00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:20,240
Rodriguez except he is a worthy fighter on the pound

613
00:27:20,279 --> 00:27:23,000
for pound list. Where you place him, I think if

614
00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:24,799
you had him, I mean, Eddie Hern, you know, will

615
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:26,480
take his opinion with a grind of salt because he's

616
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,640
his promoter. He said he's number three. I don't think

617
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,559
he's quite that high, you know. I still look at

618
00:27:31,599 --> 00:27:34,839
the top three at a certain level above everybody else,

619
00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:37,079
and that's in whichever order you choose to put them.

620
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,559
Crawford Ousick and in a way, and then there's a

621
00:27:40,559 --> 00:27:43,200
bunch of guys that fall into the category. You could

622
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,839
talk about better BV. You could still talk about Bevil,

623
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:48,720
you can talk about Canelo, you can talk about Bam Rodriguez.

624
00:27:48,759 --> 00:27:50,920
I mean, these are the guys that are in that conversation.

625
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,200
There's a lot of talent, but there's no question that

626
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:56,599
he's among that group in the elite, certainly in the

627
00:27:56,599 --> 00:27:59,599
top definitely in the top ten as no matter how

628
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,119
how you put him up there. I mean, let's look

629
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,440
at what he's done, you know, destroying Sonny Edwards, an

630
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:07,039
undefeated fighter, to unify last December, a Strata fight that

631
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,200
I just mentioned in June. Now Here we go a

632
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,000
couple of months later and he's knocked out Pedro Gavar,

633
00:28:12,079 --> 00:28:13,880
a guy who had never been stopped before. But the

634
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,279
way he went about it, the uppercut that scored the

635
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:20,680
second knockdown in round three was so fucking pinpoint and

636
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:24,359
so perfectly placed. It was short, it was inside. He

637
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,240
didn't have a lot of room to maneuver in terms

638
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,240
of to extend the shot. It was so perfectly placed.

639
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,039
The guy just never saw it. He just absolutely eracis.

640
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: What's interesting, if I can interject, he almost landed it

641
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:39,240
about five seconds earlier. He set it up and missed,

642
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:41,720
then he kind of circled what do I know, came

643
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:46,079
back to it and bingo, right on the chin. This

644
00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:49,599
guy's got juice. This guy is fun to watch. Give

645
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,039
me more, Please give me.

646
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:54,839
Speaker 2: Here's the interesting thing. I mean. When Wavara came out

647
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,519
to start the fight, he was moving a lot more

648
00:28:57,559 --> 00:28:59,720
than I think anybody expected. He was trying to show

649
00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,720
him some flashy footwork and play keep away a little bit.

650
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:07,599
And uh and Rodriguez, you know, he did not get frustrated.

651
00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:10,039
He didn't go start to like run after him and

652
00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,839
go wild and and and get out of his game.

653
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:14,480
He just kind of kind of reeled him in a

654
00:29:14,519 --> 00:29:16,200
little bit, kind of made him finally come to him

655
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,799
a bit. And uh, you know, landed the left hand

656
00:29:18,799 --> 00:29:21,599
that dropped him the first time. Uh, govar and beat

657
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,319
the count. So credit to him for gettingup because that

658
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:25,400
was a rough knockdown, it seemed to me. Uh. But

659
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,400
then the uppercut hurt him real bad. Uh and uh

660
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,880
and and that was all she wrote. I mean he

661
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,480
fell flat on his back. I mean the referee I

662
00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:35,839
only think finished the count. Uh, but he probably could

663
00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:37,519
have counted, you know, to twenty five and he would

664
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:39,400
have been out ski not because he was unconscious, but

665
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,759
he just wasn't gonna be able to get up, I

666
00:29:40,759 --> 00:29:42,960
don't think so. Look the fact that they were able

667
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,400
to put Bam and Boots on the same card. Uh,

668
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,599
that was a good thing. It turned out to be

669
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:51,119
two interesting performances. You know, one was better than the other.

670
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Obviously we know who we're talking about there who was

671
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,960
the better one? But uh, you know, Bam Rodriguez, this

672
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,400
is a dude that is just spectacular. And let me

673
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:02,039
tell you something right now, in twenty twenty five, I'm

674
00:30:02,079 --> 00:30:03,720
just looking to see who's going to actually be willing

675
00:30:03,799 --> 00:30:06,720
to fight this guy because in his own weight class,

676
00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:09,960
you know, they claim he wants unifications. That's that's like

677
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,960
when everybody wants that. I think the problem is at

678
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:17,240
Junior Banham. Wait, the IBF title is now vacant because

679
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,359
Fernando Martinez vacated, So I'm not even I forget who's

680
00:30:20,359 --> 00:30:21,799
going to be fighting for that title, But it's not

681
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,759
big names. Fernando Martinez still has the WBA title. He's

682
00:30:26,759 --> 00:30:29,640
fighting a rematch with Ioka on December thirty, first New

683
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:33,559
Year's Eve in Japan. Bam has the WBC title and

684
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:41,119
then recently crowned WBO title holder is for Malayle Caufu unknown.

685
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,839
I'm making the point here is that for him to

686
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,359
get a unification would be either a CAFU fight or

687
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,640
the winner of Ioka Martinez, who are better level of

688
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,359
a name than a CAFU. Maybe that's a possible fight,

689
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,079
but it wouldn't be until you know, probably next spring,

690
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,839
and I don't know if that's those are big enough

691
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,799
names to really make it worth the while, if that

692
00:31:00,839 --> 00:31:02,960
makes sense, So I think he might have a hard

693
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:07,240
time getting a unification. So as he said, and has

694
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:09,640
been the discussion even before the fight. If you can't

695
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,559
get a unification, it's probably gonna be Roman Chocolateito Gonzalez. Now,

696
00:31:13,559 --> 00:31:15,559
I don't like that fight, and I'm gonna tell you

697
00:31:15,599 --> 00:31:17,279
because I'm a huge Chocolatito fan.

698
00:31:17,599 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 1: We've talked about that.

699
00:31:18,799 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: He is thirty seven years old, he's in the twighlight

700
00:31:21,039 --> 00:31:23,279
of his career. He's had one fight in what twenty

701
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,599
some months when he came back in this past summer.

702
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,000
It's got a nice victory, and we've talked about how

703
00:31:29,079 --> 00:31:32,039
you know, mister Honda, who's the co promoter of both fighters,

704
00:31:32,079 --> 00:31:34,680
doesn't necessarily want to put them together. Both fighters now

705
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,240
are calling for it to some degree, maybe it will happen.

706
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:40,119
And while I respect Jesse Bam Rodriguez for taking that

707
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,039
fight of offer because he can get a huge name

708
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:44,000
on his record and make a lot of money for

709
00:31:44,039 --> 00:31:47,440
the fight, so fair enough, I just think Roman Gonzalez

710
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,480
deserves better in a farewell type fight because, as I

711
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:52,920
say TJ. And I'm not the only one in boxing,

712
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:55,039
they don't give you a gold watch on the way out.

713
00:31:55,039 --> 00:31:57,359
They give you a beating. And to me, as awesome

714
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,480
and as legendary as Roman Gonzalez Is and his bigger

715
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,079
Roman Gonzales fan as there is on this earth. That's

716
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,160
a bad fight for him. That's a that's.

717
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: The idea of reference like holme z Ali and we've

718
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,000
seen other ones.

719
00:32:08,799 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: Where it's quite that bad. But it's just.

720
00:32:10,599 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: Young Tiger, the young big time fighter against the aged

721
00:32:14,519 --> 00:32:16,160
guy that doesn't have the same reflexes.

722
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: But if the match TJ and if if Bam were

723
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,680
to win the fight, you know, as he said, it's

724
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,039
it'd be I'm taking them all out because he'll have

725
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,759
now over the course of these last couple of years,

726
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:29,960
taking out all four of the of the so called

727
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,359
four Kings of this year of that division are in

728
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,240
around the division, which is Quadrus Sir Rungby si Estrada

729
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,000
and Chuck Latito on deck Off. It happens so and

730
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,880
by the way down the road, he's looking at guys

731
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,839
like Nakatani, guys like in a way, I mean, those

732
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:47,799
are Hugemongus fights. Also, so Bam Rodriguez is a superstar

733
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,759
waiting to happen and just an awesome talent.

734
00:32:50,079 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Love it. San Antonio's Finals all right, real quick. Raymond

735
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,240
Ford bounced back on this card and won the vacant

736
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,799
whatever it's worth WBA Continental North American title. I didn't

737
00:32:59,839 --> 00:33:01,920
know that was at stake, but hey, it's all my rundown.

738
00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 2: If it's on your rundown, that's me, miss that's my mistake, actually,

739
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:07,079
but you didn't leave it on there. But he won

740
00:33:07,119 --> 00:33:07,759
a regional belt.

741
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,799
Speaker 1: Who care he wins and then what else from this

742
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:11,880
undercard and then we'll move on.

743
00:33:12,319 --> 00:33:14,799
Speaker 2: Well, last and Raymond Ford was making his debut at

744
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:17,119
one hundred and thirty pounds. He had come off having

745
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,559
he remember he won the title in that dramatic, dramatic

746
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,559
fight the vacant title earlier in the year where he

747
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:26,119
came back in the last couple of seconds to defeat Kolmotov.

748
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,640
And then, unfortunately for him, when he went to Saudi

749
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Arabia and he fought on the five on five card,

750
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,000
he lost the title to Nick Ball in a really

751
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,279
good fight, but a very close fight. And you know,

752
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:36,960
we all knew that going into that match it was

753
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,559
gonna be his last fight at Fetheruary. He was really

754
00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,599
really having a lot of trouble making the weight, but

755
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:42,720
he stayed because there was a chance to defend the

756
00:33:42,759 --> 00:33:45,279
title and make obviously his biggest payday. So he goes

757
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:46,519
up to one hundred and thirty pounds, and let me

758
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,880
tell the TJ, he looked way way better. He looks strong,

759
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,160
he looked good those I mean, I know it doesn't

760
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720
sound like normal, but those four pounds, it doesn't seem

761
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,839
like a lot. That's a big deal for some of

762
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,519
these fighters. I mean, he looked so much more comfortable,

763
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:02,400
so much healthier, if you will.

764
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:05,079
Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. Also, the strain

765
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,239
of trying to make that weight cut, that weight drains

766
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,320
a fighter. Obviously that's having that problem. And so what

767
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,280
you're saying is he didn't look like a strained, drained fighter,

768
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:16,760
and that's good.

769
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,119
Speaker 2: He's going to be a problem at one hundred and

770
00:34:18,119 --> 00:34:19,760
thirty pounds. I think he's got a good chance to

771
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,960
become a champion again in his weight class. He fought

772
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,119
Orlando Gonzalez, not a bum, had one five fights in

773
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,920
a row, tough guy, good record twenty three and two

774
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,519
coming into the fight. And again it wasn't like he

775
00:34:30,559 --> 00:34:32,880
even had to He didn't. It wasn't even close. I mean,

776
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,559
Raymond Ford won basically on the official judges cards. He

777
00:34:36,599 --> 00:34:40,039
won two by shutout, one of the judges gave Gonzalez

778
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:43,440
one round, which seemed reasonable. He scored two knockdowns. He

779
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:45,480
did everything you could ask him to do except get

780
00:34:45,519 --> 00:34:48,719
the actual knockdown knock out because Gonzalez was just such

781
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,280
a tough customer. But that was a really good performance,

782
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,639
a great way to kick off his campaign at one

783
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:55,440
hundred and thirty pounds. I think he's going to get

784
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:59,599
an opportunity to fight for a title. You know, he's

785
00:34:59,639 --> 00:35:01,679
a very good young fighter. I know he had a

786
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,119
disappointment losing the fight the way he did against Nick Ball,

787
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,119
but that victory had against Kolmotov is one of the

788
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:09,800
best fights of this year. And this was a really

789
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,639
outstanding performance. And like I said, he brings definitely some

790
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,599
danger into this weight class at one hundred and thirty.

791
00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: All right, good stuff. Also, Manuel Diego's won on the

792
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,159
under car by TKO sol did Austin Amo Williams anything

793
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:23,880
real quick on either of those or shall we move on?

794
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: Well, I just all talk for just a quick minute

795
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:27,840
about Manuel Diegos. This was a fighter that at one

796
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,440
hundred and sixty eight pounds in his previous fight, turning it.

797
00:35:31,559 --> 00:35:33,119
You know, he was a solid opponent, but he got

798
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,960
knocked out by Diego Pacheco, who was one of the

799
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,719
best young up and coming fighters in boxing. So he

800
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:39,840
goes up to one seventy five, where he says he's

801
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,760
much more comfortable. He was fighting Khalil Co, who was

802
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,400
considered a good prospect by pretty much everybody. He looked

803
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,159
really good in his last four or five fights, scoring knockouts,

804
00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,079
came in good shape after having some trouble with his

805
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,360
conditioning at the very beginning of his career, and you know,

806
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,639
big things were expected of him. He's now fighting on

807
00:35:56,679 --> 00:35:59,039
the main cards, not the you know, before the bell

808
00:35:59,639 --> 00:36:03,360
and he just, you know, after about four rounds where

809
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,519
he had dominated pretty much, I don't know, he got

810
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,000
hit with something that that did not agree with him,

811
00:36:08,039 --> 00:36:10,039
so to speak, and didn't look like he maybe had

812
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,400
turned in the best training camp of his life. And uh,

813
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,360
he paid the price because he got knocked down four

814
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:17,639
times and got knocked out in a ninth round knockout.

815
00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:21,440
Big upset, and uh, Khalil Coe's career, Uh was looking

816
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,400
great after four rounds and now it's in the toilet

817
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,159
after a ninth round knockout. And guye Goos, I mean

818
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,239
at light heavyweight. He seems reborn. I'm not saying he's

819
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,159
gonna be world champ, but if I'm if I'm UH

820
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,440
managing a young prospect, I don't want to put him

821
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,760
in with that dude. That's a dangerous, nasty guy. And

822
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,679
UH and Austin Williams, you'll listen to middleweight. Uh been

823
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,800
a good prospect for a while, had a rough go.

824
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,280
UH that will look back on maybe and think that

825
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,119
wasn't such a terrible loss. He was also won the

826
00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:48,400
five on five card in June. UH he suffered an

827
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,000
eleventh round knockout against Hamsey Shiraz. But Sharraz, I think

828
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,760
we can all agree is UH, without question the best

829
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,760
middleweight in boxing who doesn't have a world title. He's

830
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,360
going to get a title shot in his next fight,

831
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:02,639
most likely in February. And in February, and now the

832
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,920
question is, you know what can Alston Williams do coming

833
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,480
back from that loss? So he took on Gian Garrido,

834
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,480
looked pretty good, Scott himself a victory in a knockout

835
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:15,079
in the fifth round, and let's see if he can

836
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:17,239
bounce back and climb the ranks and get his own

837
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,239
title shot down the road.

838
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:21,119
Speaker 1: That takes us to one more like the GINSU State

839
00:37:21,199 --> 00:37:25,320
knives Rayphael. But wait, there's more subrio. Mattias did win

840
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,760
in his first fight after losing his title at one forty.

841
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,519
He won in Puerto Rico. It was it was on

842
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,119
pay per view on Saturday night as well. I have

843
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:37,679
to confess I've not seen this. I saw the result,

844
00:37:38,159 --> 00:37:40,719
but tell me whatever we want to say about this

845
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,840
for Matias as he tries to remain a factor at one.

846
00:37:44,679 --> 00:37:46,159
Speaker 2: I mean, there's not a lot to say it was.

847
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,880
It was Mattias coming off his loss Toparo that costume

848
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,639
his title. In June, he's back in action again in

849
00:37:52,639 --> 00:37:55,440
Puerto Rico, which is where he's from, fighting in beamone

850
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,440
pay per view that his promoter Fresh Productions put on.

851
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,360
They match him up with the Mexican fighter named Roberto Ramirez.

852
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:06,599
And Roberto Ramirez who did not really show anything at all.

853
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,000
And Matias we've all known whatever you think about him,

854
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,760
he's definitely heavy handed puncher, and he just walked right

855
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,280
through this dude in two rounds, knock him out with

856
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,599
a body shot. It's the third time and his four

857
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,320
loss of Ramirez had been stopped and Mattias you know,

858
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,239
as they say, he dusted himself off. He's now twenty

859
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,400
one and two with the two losses by decision, including

860
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,840
the title fight that it cost him, and it was

861
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,199
just a matter of let me get back on the

862
00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:31,719
horse and get a knockout, and that's exactly what he did. Look,

863
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:36,159
Mattias is an exciting fighter. Usually, he's a dangerous guy

864
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,280
for anybody in the way class. And so he's gonna

865
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,719
come back off this loss of the title, get the

866
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,199
win he just got and let's see if they can

867
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,880
find something interesting for him at one for I know

868
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,400
he lost back in June, but he's still a factor

869
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,880
as long as he is in condition and as long

870
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,239
as he's got the mindset to go in there. He's

871
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,280
a dangerous guy for anybody one hundred and forty pounds.

872
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:57,800
But he got tape baby steps and start somewhere after

873
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,400
the loss, and he did that against Ramirez and we'll

874
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:02,159
see what they pick up for him next.

875
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,079
Speaker 1: Good enough, all right, some news and that includes Heimi

876
00:39:06,159 --> 00:39:10,320
Mungia will be back as he will fight in December.

877
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,199
Tell me more about the opponent and this is a

878
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,320
homecoming of sorts for him.

879
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 2: Go ahead, I mean, not of sorts. He's fighting in Tijuana, Mexico,

880
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:19,719
where he has not fought. That's his hometown. It's been

881
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,880
it will be about three years since he last fought there.

882
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,800
But this is the best thing about this. Now he's

883
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,880
not fighting a guy that is a big name that

884
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,199
we've all heard about. He's fighting a French fighter with

885
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:35,320
a good record in a what's his name, Bruno Serras.

886
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,800
I guess who's twenty and oh with two draws, only

887
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,000
four knockouts. But the biggest thing, and you and I

888
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,159
talk about this all the time, particularly you're a big

889
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,280
thing is about activity. Yes, for a fighter like Heimimongia,

890
00:39:47,679 --> 00:39:52,199
who had in this year a humongous fight against Canelo Alvarez.

891
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Oftentimes when a guy gets to that point, win or lose,

892
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,840
they're not necessarily coming right back because they've made a

893
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,639
huge amount of money, they had a long promotion and

894
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:02,119
they don't need to get back in the ring. But

895
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:04,800
you know what he's besides the big massive Canelo fight.

896
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:07,599
This will be coming up on December. By the way,

897
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:11,599
he might add it as a ESPN Plus show. Top

898
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,920
Rank is in the Zandford Promotions is promoting the fight,

899
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:17,199
but Top Rank is still involved in any event, it'll

900
00:40:17,199 --> 00:40:19,360
be his fourth fight of the year. So a young

901
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,360
fighter like Kaimo Mangia, still a young fighter in his career,

902
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,679
getting active and setting the stage to just make sure

903
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,360
he's in shape, make sure he's sharp. What I think

904
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,760
could have a chance to be a very big twenty

905
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,519
twenty five, whether they find him some title shot of

906
00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:36,039
some of the titles, fracture with Canelo, or they make

907
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:40,400
the fight between him and Billy, which is a fight

908
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:44,280
the top rank has talked about doing. But Mangia, you know,

909
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:46,000
it's always good to see him in the ring because

910
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,280
he's one of the most exciting fighters in boxing, and

911
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,159
he's looked good and even in the loss against Canelo,

912
00:40:51,199 --> 00:40:53,159
I mean, yeah, he lost the fight, but he didn't

913
00:40:53,199 --> 00:40:56,679
desgrace himself. He made it exciting. He didn't win, but okay,

914
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,840
so what you know, someone's gonna win, someone's gonna lose.

915
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,000
So I'm happy to see him.

916
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: Back connection And keep in mind, as we often like

917
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,719
to say, he is great for two reasons. He's an

918
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,679
offensive fighter and he gets hit. He's gonna hit and

919
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,320
get hit. So that's again coming in December on the fourteenth,

920
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:16,119
the week before Usik Fury rematch week on the twenty first.

921
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:19,159
All right, so another news item. This actually came up

922
00:41:19,159 --> 00:41:21,800
on the bet Us Show, The Handicapping Show on Friday.

923
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,079
Somebody asked you this question because they had heard it

924
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:29,039
or read you hinting at it on your substack. Ike Obeyabuci,

925
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:32,920
the former rising Nigerian heavyweight contender going all the way

926
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,599
back to the late nineties, is in fact looking at

927
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:39,840
a legit attempt to come back. It's thirty five years later.

928
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,360
Go ahead.

929
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: He's fifty one years old. He is scheduled to fight.

930
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,360
He's been deported from the United States, like he at

931
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,920
one point was here illegally because all of his legal problems.

932
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,960
He's spent sixteen years in prison in Nevada. He got out.

933
00:41:53,199 --> 00:41:55,239
There was actually talking about him signing with Top Rank

934
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,679
after that, but he got busted on for a probation violation.

935
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:02,679
He was back in jail eventually. When he was out,

936
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,840
he was deported. Anyway, He's supposed to come back in

937
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,840
a sixth rounder in Nigeria, in a sixth round fight

938
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,639
on December seventh against a sub five hundred Egyptian opponent

939
00:42:13,639 --> 00:42:16,000
that nobody ever heard of, who was a much younger

940
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,519
man at age forty seven, I might add, and I

941
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:21,440
don't know if we probably have a lot of listeners

942
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,039
that might might not have been born when I paid,

943
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:26,800
which was fighting. But I remember when Ike was in

944
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,320
his heyday, he had made his name on HBO. He

945
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,639
was in the stable of Sedri Kushner, who was the

946
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:37,880
late promoter who had a ton of heavyweights. He also

947
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,480
was a promoter for a long time with Shane Mosey.

948
00:42:39,519 --> 00:42:41,840
But he made his name and his money for the

949
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,079
most part with a ton of ton of heavyweight fighters.

950
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,880
And he had Ibyabuci in that stable, and he got

951
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,360
him on HBO and he had a fight in nineteen

952
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,639
ninety seven that was the main event of an HBO

953
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,000
fight card against David Tua, who was the top contender.

954
00:42:55,079 --> 00:42:57,679
They were both undefeated. It's probably one of the I

955
00:42:57,679 --> 00:43:00,519
would say this if you can maybe talk me out

956
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:05,159
of this, but it, without questioning, is a top three

957
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,599
or four heavyweight fight of the decade. I mean there's

958
00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,239
there's certainly Buster Douglas and Mike Tyson. You know, there's uh,

959
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:16,199
there's the first fight between Mike Tyson and Evander Holyfield.

960
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,679
I mean, there's some great heavyweight fights in the nineteen nineties.

961
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:22,559
But this was a spectacular fucking war, super close. I

962
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,880
Babechi got the decision. I personally thought that David Tua

963
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000
won that fight, but whatever, he won that fight, and

964
00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:29,960
then he got a couple of small fights. Then it

965
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,719
comes back against the undefeated Chris Bird, who was entirely

966
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:36,840
the opposite kind of style of a David Tua. And

967
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,079
Bird would go on to win uh heavyweight titles twice

968
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,440
in his career and and and show himself to be

969
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,960
one of the top heavyweights of his time. And he

970
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:48,519
scored a spectacular knockout against Chris Bird. So but the

971
00:43:48,559 --> 00:43:51,440
point is here, that's twenty five years.

972
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,519
Speaker 1: That's like, it's like a lifetime ago.

973
00:43:53,559 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: And to put it in perspective, people like call me

974
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:58,800
like I'm an old man because I'm about to start

975
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,440
my my I'm about to, you know, be my twenty

976
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,800
fifth anniversary of full time boxing reporting. When he was

977
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,679
winning those fights, I was not covering boxing. I was

978
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:12,480
I was working as a sports writer, like covering high

979
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,960
school and college in some minor league sports.

980
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: So it was last century, the end of the last century.

981
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: So who knows how how far this is gonna go.

982
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,639
But the mere fact even if he has the one fight,

983
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,880
especially because of all the the you know he was

984
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,400
there for and let's not make him out to be

985
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,199
a saint. He was in prison for sexual assault charges.

986
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,840
He also had a lot of mental health problems. He

987
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,719
was you know, is spent time in a mental health facility.

988
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:38,960
I mean, just a mess of a of a personal

989
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:42,679
life and a life of crime. But as a fighter,

990
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:45,320
a badass when he was in his best days. But

991
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,360
you know, at fifty one, without having really fought for

992
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,519
twenty five years in a boxing ring, you know who

993
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:50,159
the heck knows.

994
00:44:50,119 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: And repeat it again. This is a December fight, real quick.

995
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 2: December seventh in Nigeria against in a sixth rounder, you know.

996
00:44:58,039 --> 00:44:59,199
And I don't even know what he looks I mean

997
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,320
the pictures I see of him or all the file

998
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:03,719
photos that we've seen from the nineties, I don't even

999
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:06,760
know really what he looks like. President couldn't tell you

1000
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,480
what his weight looks like, anything like that. So but

1001
00:45:10,079 --> 00:45:12,599
he was a guy that in boxing, along with a

1002
00:45:12,639 --> 00:45:14,840
few others that we could come up with, the Tony

1003
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:16,960
Ayala and a few others, one of the great what

1004
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:17,880
ifs of all time.

1005
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,920
Speaker 1: Yala if. For those who don't know, tremendous rising, what

1006
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,800
was he middleweight? Junia middleweight and went to prison And

1007
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,159
wasn't that for murder? I believe it was or sexual assault?

1008
00:45:30,159 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

1009
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,039
Speaker 1: He went away for twenty or twenty five years and

1010
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,280
we never never anybody.

1011
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,519
Speaker 2: Can google that. The point is this, there's a few

1012
00:45:37,559 --> 00:45:39,800
guys that have had looked like they were on the

1013
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,960
rise to become superstars or do big things and had

1014
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,079
their personal sits.

1015
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: All the way back to Reuben Hurricane Carter, protracted by

1016
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,599
Denzel Washington in the movie Wrongfully Accused and in prison

1017
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:51,920
at the prime of his career.

1018
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 2: So yes, Imbeabuci is a classic example of what if

1019
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,880
because he was twenty and o in his twenties knocking

1020
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,280
out the top content.

1021
00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: A heavyweight and the Golden Division, the heavyweight division.

1022
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:04,559
Speaker 2: He was on his way to being one of Lennox

1023
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:06,039
Lewis's mandatory challengers.

1024
00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: Wow, all right, good on. Speaking of Golden Golden Boys,

1025
00:46:10,519 --> 00:46:13,960
Oscar de la Hoya and Eddie Hearn are talking about

1026
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:18,599
a possible five versus five of Golden Boys fighters, So

1027
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:23,519
uh yeah, Oscar's on social media talking about it. Eddie's responding,

1028
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:25,639
what's the legitimacy here? Is this realistic?

1029
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 2: I do definitely think that there's a realistic possibility that

1030
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,159
there'll be a five verses five between those companies. They're

1031
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:34,199
both on his own. Uh, there's a definite rivalry between

1032
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,639
the two promoters that you know, they don't seem to

1033
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,639
like each other. They're always ripping each other on their

1034
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:41,639
social media. You know, Oscar makes his his flap back

1035
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:43,840
Thursday videos and he rips on Eddie all the time

1036
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,920
about his guys losing all the time. If you listen

1037
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,320
to the interview that that Eddie gave about, you know,

1038
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,199
after some of the fights on his own, after the

1039
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:54,480
n his fight, he was doing the interview with Chris

1040
00:46:54,519 --> 00:46:57,360
Mannix and he referred to Oscar as Oscar dala plunker,

1041
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,480
which is not a good thing. So there's a chance.

1042
00:47:00,519 --> 00:47:02,199
But the thing I liked is that then the fights

1043
00:47:02,199 --> 00:47:06,480
that Oscar proposed in his video, then Eddie came back

1044
00:47:06,519 --> 00:47:08,400
and basically said, Dune done, Dune done. We'll do them.

1045
00:47:08,519 --> 00:47:10,119
You just to run through them real quick. These are

1046
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:14,559
fantastic fights. One was was Virgil Artis against Boutennis, which

1047
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:17,000
is a real possibility after what happened on Saturday. I

1048
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:19,559
don't think there's a that there's anything that you know

1049
00:47:19,639 --> 00:47:21,239
that's a fight that absolutely can be made. You know,

1050
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:23,519
if it doesn't happen, it's just gonna because somebody doesn't

1051
00:47:23,519 --> 00:47:26,760
want doesn't want to fight. Another fight that he suggested

1052
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,639
was Heimi Mungey against Diego Pacheco. Now, Eddie Hearn made

1053
00:47:30,679 --> 00:47:33,119
the point, well, you know, Golden Boy doesn't really have

1054
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,000
Heimian Munggey. If they can get him back, we'll do

1055
00:47:35,039 --> 00:47:37,079
the fight, because we all know he ditched Oscar and

1056
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:40,360
he's with Todd franken zandfer another fight. And this is

1057
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:42,119
a fight that's already been in the planning stage as

1058
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,519
long as Williams of Paida wins his fight that's coming

1059
00:47:44,559 --> 00:47:48,599
up this coming weekend. Williams of paid his fighting on

1060
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,760
on that Latino Carden read. But he wants to do

1061
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,400
is Apaida Vsus shakor Stevenson. That's the WBC mandatory fight.

1062
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,880
So they're already been making plans about that. Turkey Alchik

1063
00:47:57,920 --> 00:47:59,559
wants to do the bout, So I think that fight

1064
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,000
absolute can happen. The other fight they mentioned was the

1065
00:48:02,039 --> 00:48:05,159
winner or they want to do Oscar Duarte against Devin Hainey.

1066
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:08,239
Now Duarte has the fight also on that November sixteenth

1067
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:12,800
card against Battier Akmadov in Pa, who's replaced the injured

1068
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,159
Kenneth Simms. He suggested Duarte against Devin Hainey. Again, Eddie

1069
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:21,360
Hearn says, we don't work right now with Haney. He's

1070
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,280
a free agent, but you know, I'm happy to talk

1071
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:24,719
to him about making the fight if he wants to,

1072
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,719
we can put that together. And the other fight was

1073
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,960
Oscars fighter, which would be the winner of another fight

1074
00:48:31,039 --> 00:48:33,519
on the on the Latino Night card, which is Arnold

1075
00:48:33,559 --> 00:48:37,400
Barbosa against Jose Ramirez to fight Jack Catterall, which is

1076
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,920
Eddie Hearn's the fighter that's with Eddie Hearn. So all

1077
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,960
five of those fights are interesting.

1078
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't hear a fight that isn't compelling

1079
00:48:45,079 --> 00:48:45,360
right now.

1080
00:48:45,679 --> 00:48:48,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think he can deliver Mongie against Pacheco

1081
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:52,320
because via situation, I'm not so sure that Devin Haney

1082
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,360
is gonna work with Eddie on that kind of a fight.

1083
00:48:54,599 --> 00:48:57,079
Maybe if if Turkey puts up enough money or you know,

1084
00:48:57,159 --> 00:48:59,280
talks to him, that's a possibility. But what I loved

1085
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,239
is that, you know, Eddie made a post on his

1086
00:49:01,639 --> 00:49:03,519
on his social saying to Oscar, look, we'll make this

1087
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,519
easy on you. Boots versus Ortiz agreedv Gia Pacheco agreed.

1088
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,119
You know, as long as you can get him back

1089
00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:11,880
because your corp is a pay to agreed to Warte Haini,

1090
00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:14,159
you know, Han, he's not officially with us, but happy

1091
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,360
to talk to the talking about the fight in Cato

1092
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:20,000
Barbaroso Ramirez winner agreed, clean sweak. So like, I think

1093
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:22,400
all of those fights are absolutely doable. That would be

1094
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:23,719
a big time card for sure.

1095
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,199
Speaker 1: All right. Unfortunately, the WBC had an announcement here recently,

1096
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,960
if not on Sunday, that former junior featherweight world champ

1097
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:37,159
Israel Vasquez is battling cancer. They're they're trying to raise

1098
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,440
money for him. Just say a few more words about

1099
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:43,199
this because obviously as fighters get older and we you know,

1100
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,239
we lose tracked, they're retired, whatever. But here's the update

1101
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:47,440
that you don't like to hear.

1102
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that. I mean we Israel Vasquez

1103
00:49:51,519 --> 00:49:54,280
like the quintessential all time Mexican kind of warrior. I

1104
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,800
mean his fights against Ralphael Marquez are a famous and

1105
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:01,239
they had a four fight series. Fourth fight not so much,

1106
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:03,880
but the first three all fight of the year candidates.

1107
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,199
The first one what had been the fight of the year,

1108
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,000
but then the second one trump because win the same

1109
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:09,639
year and that the game of the fight of the year.

1110
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,360
The next year they had the third fight that was

1111
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:12,800
the fight of the year. This is in two thousand

1112
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,079
and seven. In two thousand and eight, he also was

1113
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:18,320
a champion, not only at junior featherweight in terms of

1114
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,239
the WBC, but he also had won an IBF title.

1115
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,000
He's a you know, two of those organizations. I mean,

1116
00:50:25,079 --> 00:50:30,159
just a tremendous action fighter. Gave everything he ever could

1117
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,079
possibly give to boxing. Boxing cost him the vision in

1118
00:50:33,079 --> 00:50:35,280
one of his eyes. This is not related to the

1119
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,639
cancer to my knowledge. But the WBC, you know, they

1120
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:40,800
do a great job of supporting their past champions and

1121
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,199
at least bringing their issues to light and trying to

1122
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,480
help them out financially. So they created a GoFundMe page.

1123
00:50:46,599 --> 00:50:50,239
You can easily look that up, and you know, Israel Vasquez.

1124
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,239
You know, it's kind of like the old days when

1125
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:54,599
they'd have a boxing match that was so great. Besides

1126
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,480
whatever the purses the fighters would earn, the fans would

1127
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,599
throw money into the ring or throw money into a

1128
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,639
hat and give it out like Vasquez is that kind

1129
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,320
of fighter. So if people can spare a couple of

1130
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,719
bucks to support a great former champion in his time

1131
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,639
of need who didn't make you know, he didn't make

1132
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,800
the humongous millions of dollars the way some of the

1133
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,159
guys have made. Yeah, he made solid money for the

1134
00:51:18,159 --> 00:51:20,400
period of time when he was fighting in the biggest fight,

1135
00:51:20,440 --> 00:51:22,320
but not the kind of money that's going to last

1136
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,239
you the rest of your life when you retire, when

1137
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:27,840
you're in your early thirties. So you know, I hope

1138
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:32,519
he's okay. Tremendous fighter, tremendous guy, and he could use

1139
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:33,440
all of our support.

1140
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: Love that and one other announcement that is that top

1141
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,159
rank on an announcement involving Santion. We talked about Giovanni

1142
00:51:42,159 --> 00:51:45,320
Santion briefly earlier that he is now going to be

1143
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,599
part of the upcoming December seventh card. Just real quick.

1144
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had that very rough loss. He got knocked

1145
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,159
out in the tenth round against the big underdog at

1146
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:57,000
the time, Brian Norman, in Santian's own hometown of San Diego.

1147
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,519
That was for the interim vacant WBO title in the

1148
00:52:00,519 --> 00:52:03,320
welterweight division. Santown came into that fight undefeated in a

1149
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:06,480
big favorite. He got knocked out and he's doing what

1150
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:08,519
fighters do. He's there dusting them off. They're going to

1151
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:11,280
try to get him back into contention. He's gonna fight

1152
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,400
on the undercart on the ESPN plus part of the

1153
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,880
Heart that is headlined by the Emmanuel Navarette Oscar Valdez

1154
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,039
rematch Wilsa, the Robasi Ramirez rematch against Rafael Spinoza for

1155
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,679
the Featherway title. He will fight Frederick Lawson in a

1156
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:26,800
ten rounder and we'll see if he can put himself

1157
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:29,960
back in contention in a welterweight division that is pretty

1158
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:32,159
much wide open. I mean, there's title holders, and we've

1159
00:52:32,159 --> 00:52:34,199
talked about the prospect of Boutennans moving up to one

1160
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,880
fifty four. But if Santion can make a nice comeback,

1161
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:41,239
he can certainly put himself in position to get another opportunity.

1162
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: Love that, all right, Nostalgia time, and I have been waiting.

1163
00:52:45,679 --> 00:52:48,599
I have been waiting for this, the chance to talk

1164
00:52:48,639 --> 00:52:50,960
about this fight yet again. It seems like every time

1165
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,199
that you and I get to November, we can talk

1166
00:52:53,199 --> 00:52:58,840
about Alexis Arguayo, Aaron Pryor one. So the forty second

1167
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:04,559
Dan Rayfield Anniversary is Tuesday of this historic fight at

1168
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:07,840
the Orange Bowl in Miami. Let's go at it like this.

1169
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:09,960
You and I have gone on on about we could

1170
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,800
do thirty minutes on this fight. We don't have thirty minutes.

1171
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:13,639
We've got two other nostalgia fights here in just a second.

1172
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,000
But we had the legendary Barry Tompkins. And I've told

1173
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,639
you this before, the legendary Barry Tompkins, the HBO played

1174
00:53:19,639 --> 00:53:23,159
by play man Hall of Fame type broadcaster. He said

1175
00:53:23,199 --> 00:53:27,280
to us, for everything that went into that fight and

1176
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,480
the action and the drama and the two great fighters,

1177
00:53:31,159 --> 00:53:33,880
this may be the greatest fight that I ever called,

1178
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,280
even bigger than Hagler. Hearns is Finish, Cooney Holmes, you know,

1179
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,639
pick anything else. Mike Tyson becomes world champ, you know,

1180
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,480
Sugar Ray Leonard over Barvin Hagler. He said, this fight,

1181
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:46,800
this fight that we're about to talk about, the Hawk,

1182
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,800
Aaron Pryor Alexis Arguayo. Go.

1183
00:53:50,519 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 2: I mean, what can you say other than this without

1184
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,639
getting emotional about it? Just it is clearly one of

1185
00:53:58,679 --> 00:54:01,239
the top fights in the hit story of boxing for

1186
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,039
a million different reasons. The unbridled action, the significance of

1187
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,760
the world title at stake, the fact they had this

1188
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:12,159
big crowd at the Orange Bowl. Argueo was a legendary figure,

1189
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:15,039
was going for a world title and yet another weight class.

1190
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:17,800
There had up until this point when they fought, there

1191
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,719
had never been a title holder or a fighter to

1192
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:23,760
win titles in four weight classes. Now we've seen you know,

1193
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,239
Manny Pac, Yeah, doesn't in eight weight classes. Oscar Deloy

1194
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:27,920
did it in six. If you're talking about the women,

1195
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,320
you got a man the Serrano and what seven weight classes?

1196
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:32,599
We've got other fighters, you know, Tommy Hearns did it

1197
00:54:32,639 --> 00:54:34,960
in five, Sugar Ray Leonard, you know, we've got a lot,

1198
00:54:35,039 --> 00:54:38,039
Canelo Alvarez, There's a lot of fighters that have since

1199
00:54:38,119 --> 00:54:41,119
been and that's partly because there's so many more organizations

1200
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:44,320
than there was. I'm not knocking the accomplishments of those

1201
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,159
particular fighters, but the fact that Urgueo was trying to

1202
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,199
win fourth title was a huge deal, and prior, you know,

1203
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,079
was just an an unbelievable talent at that point. Just

1204
00:54:55,119 --> 00:54:58,639
knocking everybody out making great fights, and it was a

1205
00:54:58,679 --> 00:55:01,840
true style clash. You know, Arguayo could be aggressible. It

1206
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,840
was more the classical boxer, but could definitely go get you.

1207
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,280
Prior was just the you know, I'm gonna just knock

1208
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,159
your head off type of guy, although he also had

1209
00:55:10,199 --> 00:55:13,679
skills and was a top amateur. The funny thing about

1210
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:15,639
this and I've read a lot about this fight. I've

1211
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:19,440
I've revered this fight. I've collected whatever memorabilia I can

1212
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,320
find this fight. I'm still in need of a poster.

1213
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:23,239
If anybody has one out there, hit me up on

1214
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:25,960
my DMS. I'm looking to buy one.

1215
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:28,159
Speaker 1: Needs the poster from the adult.

1216
00:55:28,480 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 2: It does need it. It's got the the The program

1217
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:33,360
is absurdly rare for reasons I still don't know the

1218
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,400
answer to. But I do have one. I've got some

1219
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,079
other stuff from that also, if you have a ticket,

1220
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,159
I'm in the mood anyway. What I never really realized,

1221
00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:41,519
and I was, like I said, I've read about a

1222
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:46,760
lot about this fight. Originally, Aaron Pryor had signed to

1223
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,639
fight Sugar Ray Leonard in the fall of nineteen eighty two. Yes,

1224
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,039
and and that would have been he would have moved

1225
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,480
up in wait and fought Ray for the undisputed welterweight

1226
00:55:55,519 --> 00:55:59,960
title post his victory against Tommy Hearns in their unification fight.

1227
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,480
But when Leonard suffered the eye injury and got the

1228
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:05,599
detached retina and retired for one of the many times

1229
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,920
he retired in his career, that left Prior without that

1230
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,239
big time fight, and that's when the Argueo fight presented itself.

1231
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:16,000
So ask yourself, we know what happened in Argueyo Prior.

1232
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:17,480
We saw one of the greatest fights in the history

1233
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,760
of boxing. But it does make you think, like, would

1234
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,000
you have rather not seen that? Like behind door number

1235
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:25,360
one or door number two? You can turn in Agueo

1236
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,760
and Prior and we could get potentially have gotten Sugar

1237
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:34,719
Ray Leonard against Aaron pryor another incredibly appetizing, interesting, tremendous

1238
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:37,880
matchup for different reasons, but that would have been It's

1239
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,880
amazing to me that that caliber of a fight ended

1240
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:43,280
up being replaced by what turned out to be like

1241
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,199
one of the greatest fights in the history of boxing.

1242
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,400
And of course we all know the controversy of you know,

1243
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,360
the what's in the bottle? The one I mixed from

1244
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:51,480
his uh uh.

1245
00:56:51,519 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: From Lewis Panama. Lewis infamously caught on the HBO audio,

1246
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:59,039
although at the time when you go back and watch

1247
00:56:59,519 --> 00:57:02,199
the fight in real time, they didn't pick up on

1248
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,239
it as much. It got picked up on after the

1249
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,800
fight and talked about after the fight, and it turns

1250
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:11,440
out he did have a stimulant in the water other

1251
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:13,840
fighters around Panama. Lewis said the same thing. He did

1252
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,559
it to our water too, to help you with clearing

1253
00:57:16,599 --> 00:57:18,199
your lungs. Waiting sum it up.

1254
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:20,280
Speaker 2: I don't think it's ever been clearly established. Some people

1255
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,320
say it with Schnops that he was having a trying

1256
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:24,760
to control like diarrhea or something. I don't think it's

1257
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:25,800
been firmly established.

1258
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,639
Speaker 1: There was a couple of other fighters who subsequently said

1259
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:31,000
it was the same thing, where you drank that water

1260
00:57:31,159 --> 00:57:34,039
and it electrified your brain, It helped your lungs, it

1261
00:57:34,119 --> 00:57:38,239
helped everything there. So, for whatever it is worth, that's

1262
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:39,400
another subplot.

1263
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 2: But there's this, so it's an awesome fight. HBO not

1264
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:45,719
only televised a doubt, but they did the one of

1265
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,639
their episodes of Legendary Nights that's about twenty five minutes on.

1266
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,599
You can find it on YouTube. Amazing episode, and the

1267
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:55,400
thing about Arguayo Prior. They had a rematch later, you know,

1268
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,079
a couple of years later, I don't know, a year

1269
00:57:57,079 --> 00:58:00,320
and a half later or so, and another outstand fight,

1270
00:58:00,440 --> 00:58:02,639
not the level of the first fight, and Prior again

1271
00:58:02,679 --> 00:58:04,800
won by a knockout. The first fight, obviously, he stopped

1272
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,000
him famously in the fourteenth round, stopped him again in

1273
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,199
the in the rematch, and neither one of them ever

1274
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,719
was really at the top again. But they became great friends.

1275
00:58:12,719 --> 00:58:15,679
They both had their problems outside the ring with especially

1276
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:18,519
with drugs, but they became great friends, and they were

1277
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,320
always together at the International Boxing Hall of Fame. But

1278
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,039
this first fight that they had together, where Prior was

1279
00:58:24,199 --> 00:58:26,920
entrenched as the champion at the champion the of the

1280
00:58:27,039 --> 00:58:29,360
WBA at one hundred and forty was making a sixth defense,

1281
00:58:29,679 --> 00:58:31,639
it was named the fight of the decade by the

1282
00:58:31,719 --> 00:58:34,519
Ring magazine and plenty of other outfits. It was The

1283
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,199
Ring named it the eighth greatest fight of all time.

1284
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:39,559
This is back in nineteen ninety six. It's probably still

1285
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:41,880
in that group. I remember we did a thing at

1286
00:58:42,119 --> 00:58:44,360
ESPN Morerie ranked top fights. I don't remember the number

1287
00:58:44,360 --> 00:58:46,079
we assigned it, but it was one hundred percent in

1288
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,599
our top ten of all time. It is just an amazing,

1289
00:58:50,679 --> 00:58:53,719
amazing fight between amazing man. And by the way, in

1290
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,480
terms of our Gueyo, you know, I met Aaron Pryor

1291
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:59,079
a couple of times just in passing at different events

1292
00:58:59,079 --> 00:59:02,400
over my period of time covering boxing, Arguayo I met

1293
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:04,960
on a number of occasions, actually spent some time here

1294
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:07,599
and there talking with him at length about different things. Well,

1295
00:59:07,719 --> 00:59:12,360
what a gentleman, just an absolutely revered figure. It doesn't

1296
00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:13,239
get better than this fight.

1297
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:17,559
Speaker 1: Great ambassador for Nicaraguan unfortunately took his life later in

1298
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:23,400
the two thousands, but legendary forty five thousand plus in

1299
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,159
the old Orange Bowl in Miami where the Dolphins used

1300
00:59:26,159 --> 00:59:27,440
to play, and they used to play the Orange Bowl

1301
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,360
football game on New Year's Day. Just a lot around that,

1302
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,440
all right. We moved to Marvin Hagler and Roberto Duran, which.

1303
00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:37,199
Speaker 2: By the way, just so I'm clear, when they had

1304
00:59:37,199 --> 00:59:39,360
the rematch, it was a little less than a year later.

1305
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:41,719
Speaker 1: Yes, and not a very good fight. I mean probably

1306
00:59:41,840 --> 00:59:45,480
a good fight, dominated him, dominated him, and Aguayo clearly

1307
00:59:45,519 --> 00:59:47,320
didn't have the same stuff he had on that night.

1308
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:48,199
In nineteen eighty two.

1309
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 2: And if you never saw the first fight, and you

1310
00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:52,840
only watched a second fight, which which prior won by

1311
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:55,599
a tenth round knockout, you would say that was a

1312
00:59:55,599 --> 00:59:57,599
hell of a fight. When you when you compare it

1313
00:59:57,639 --> 01:00:00,519
to the first fight, it's hard to to look at

1314
01:00:00,559 --> 01:00:01,400
it in the same way.

1315
01:00:01,639 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: So that was forty two years ago Tuesday on the twelve,

1316
01:00:05,639 --> 01:00:07,639
So forty one years ago tonight, as we do the

1317
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:10,480
podcast November tenth, nineteen eighty three, is Marvin Hagler's win

1318
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:13,880
over Roberto Duran. Now, of the Four Kings fights, I'm

1319
01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:17,760
saying this, of all the Four Kings fights, this one, Yeah,

1320
01:00:18,719 --> 01:00:21,159
it kind of gets lost in the shuffle. Hagler gets

1321
01:00:21,199 --> 01:00:23,920
the win. Duran probably better than most thought, he would be,

1322
01:00:24,119 --> 01:00:27,400
way better, and and Hagler gets the victory.

1323
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: So go ahead, you said, in terms of the Four

1324
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,719
Kings fights. So I forget exactly when I did this,

1325
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,679
but sometime in the last year or so. It mustn't

1326
01:00:38,639 --> 01:00:40,559
have been around one of the anniversaries of the fights.

1327
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:42,960
And you know, I'm anybody that knows me or my

1328
01:00:43,039 --> 01:00:46,199
collection or follows me knows I've obsessed over the Four

1329
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:48,760
Kings fights for most of my life. So I did

1330
01:00:48,760 --> 01:00:51,360
a piece where I ranked all nine of the four

1331
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,559
King fights, and that's the round robin fights between Sugar

1332
01:00:54,599 --> 01:00:59,199
Ray Leonard, Thomas Hearns, Hagler, and Durant. I ranked Hagler's

1333
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:02,559
victor over Duran as number six on my list out

1334
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:04,920
of the nine, So take that for what it's worth.

1335
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:07,119
But this was a tremendous fight. It was as Marvin

1336
01:01:07,119 --> 01:01:11,679
Hagler defending the undisputed title against Roberto Durant, and I

1337
01:01:11,719 --> 01:01:14,320
think the fight is well. I've gone back and watch

1338
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:16,519
it and it's actually better than I kind of remembered.

1339
01:01:16,599 --> 01:01:19,400
It might be a little bit underrated, if that makes sense.

1340
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,400
Even though I rated at number six out of the nine,

1341
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,840
Hagler was a significant favorite. And it just shows you

1342
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,119
how incredible Duran is because remember Duran was at his

1343
01:01:28,159 --> 01:01:31,639
best as a lightweight, probably the greatest lightweight of all time. Obviously,

1344
01:01:31,639 --> 01:01:33,679
he scored one of the most monumental victories in the

1345
01:01:33,719 --> 01:01:36,039
history of the welterweight division when he de throws Sugar

1346
01:01:36,119 --> 01:01:38,519
Ray Leonard in their first fight. He went on years

1347
01:01:38,599 --> 01:01:41,360
later to win the middleway title in a huge upset

1348
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:44,519
many years later against Iran Barkley in another awesome, all

1349
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:48,199
time action kind of fight. So he's fighting against Marvin Hagler,

1350
01:01:48,639 --> 01:01:53,320
and if you take a look, yes, the line item

1351
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:56,079
is Marvin Hagler wins the fight by a fifteen round

1352
01:01:56,159 --> 01:01:59,239
decision and he defends the title for the seventh time,

1353
01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:02,000
and it's the only time of his first bunch of

1354
01:02:02,039 --> 01:02:04,239
defenses he didn't get a knockout, so people kind of

1355
01:02:04,239 --> 01:02:06,360
look down on him about that. But here's one thing

1356
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,840
that you have to remember. I think about Duran in

1357
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,840
this fight more than I think about Hagler. And the

1358
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,920
reason I say that is because after thirteen rounds. This

1359
01:02:14,039 --> 01:02:17,000
is back when men were men, so to speak, when

1360
01:02:17,000 --> 01:02:20,400
they went fifteen rounds. After thirteen rounds of this fight,

1361
01:02:20,719 --> 01:02:24,079
Roberto Duran was ahead by one point on two score

1362
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,880
cards and the third card had a draw. So the

1363
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,320
fight is still on the table going into and then

1364
01:02:29,679 --> 01:02:33,639
the championship rowns fourteen and fifteen. Even though even though

1365
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,679
Duran is holding a very slim lead, Hagler's got his

1366
01:02:38,719 --> 01:02:43,280
eyes swollen, Hagler has been cut, and Hagler shows the

1367
01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,920
toughness that we know of Marvin Hagler, and he guts

1368
01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,920
it out and he wins the fight because of those

1369
01:02:49,039 --> 01:02:51,079
he comes out much stronger in the last two rounds

1370
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:53,440
and he wins the fight. But the fact that Duran

1371
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:56,920
was even in the fight going into round fourteen is

1372
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,920
amazing considering the greatness at Hagler in the middleweight division,

1373
01:03:01,239 --> 01:03:03,239
and that Duran had never been in the ring with

1374
01:03:03,320 --> 01:03:05,920
somebody like that big and that strong.

1375
01:03:05,679 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 1: And he fo he had never fought at middleweight and

1376
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:11,519
fought that competitively that late in the fight.

1377
01:03:11,719 --> 01:03:15,039
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a remarkable performance from him just from

1378
01:03:15,079 --> 01:03:18,159
that stay point. And for Hagler against an all time great,

1379
01:03:18,199 --> 01:03:20,639
he pulls it out. Remember, Durant got the fight because

1380
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:23,760
he pulled off the upset when he absolutely destroyed Davey

1381
01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:26,719
Moore to win the junior middleway title in June of

1382
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:28,960
eighty three. Now we're here in November of eighty three

1383
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,960
when he takes the opportunity to go up and fight

1384
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,400
Marvin Hagler. He basically rescued his career because he was

1385
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,440
kind of like he by the way he fought on

1386
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,800
the undercart of Arguayo prior against a fighter named Jimmy Batten,

1387
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:42,239
and he won a ten round decision that was horrible,

1388
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,000
and at that point that was a top rank fight,

1389
01:03:45,039 --> 01:03:47,639
and top rank was like done with him, basically, But

1390
01:03:47,679 --> 01:03:50,480
he took two fights after that. He knocked out Pepino

1391
01:03:50,599 --> 01:03:54,559
Quavis in a tremendous knockout in Los Angeles. He just

1392
01:03:54,679 --> 01:03:57,800
dusted Quavis in the fourth round. Then he pulled the

1393
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,239
upset at Madison Square Garden to beat Davey Moore, and

1394
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:03,920
that convinced Bob Aram that, you know what, we were

1395
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,400
looking for a name opponent for Hagler, and we're gonna

1396
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:07,639
give him the fight. I'm gonna tell you when we're

1397
01:04:07,679 --> 01:04:09,800
done with this, and I'm going to bed tonight, before

1398
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,360
I lay my head down on my pillow, I'm gonna

1399
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:16,039
and I've told this before. In my drawer by my bedside,

1400
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,519
I keep one actual book, and it's the Four Kings

1401
01:04:20,519 --> 01:04:23,760
Book by my dear departed friend George Kimball. It's the

1402
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,119
history of the nine fights of these four great fighters.

1403
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:29,440
George covered all the nine fights, and it's the history

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of this rivalry. And I often will take it out

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01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:34,360
and read a chapter about whichever fight I'm in the

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01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,800
mood for. So I promise you that when I go

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01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:39,719
to bed tonight, I will be reading the chapter on

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Hagler versus Duran once again, and.

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Speaker 1: That leads us to one last bit of nostalgia. My friend,

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01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:50,679
you were ringside twenty four years ago tomorrow, November eleventh

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01:04:50,719 --> 01:04:54,599
of two thousand, for Lennox Lewis beating David Tua, and

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01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:57,079
it was important because it's the first time you've ever

1413
01:04:57,079 --> 01:04:59,239
gone to Las Vegas. You've talked about this before for

1414
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,599
a Lennox Lewis world title fight. You were there in Vegas.

1415
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:04,119
You have been there now dozens and dozens and dozens

1416
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,639
of times since. But how about that? What do you

1417
01:05:06,679 --> 01:05:10,559
remember about Lewis David Tua For the third nostalgia?

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01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 2: I remember a lot about that now. It was actually

1419
01:05:14,039 --> 01:05:16,639
my second ever trip to Las Vegas. One time in

1420
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,800
my life I went to Las Vegas for non boxing reasons.

1421
01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,440
My wife and I my girlfriend at the time, went

1422
01:05:22,559 --> 01:05:24,840
because a very close friend of mine from college was

1423
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,239
getting married and they lived in Vegas, and we went

1424
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,199
to Vegas for a few days. And I remember when

1425
01:05:29,239 --> 01:05:31,559
I was on that trip for the wedding because I

1426
01:05:31,639 --> 01:05:34,159
was such a big boxing fan. I wasn't working in

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01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:35,840
boxing in any way, shape or for him, but I

1428
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,880
purposely went to the MGM Grand to just sort of

1429
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:41,360
like see like where all these great fights had taken

1430
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,800
place at the MGM. Anyway, when I started working at

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01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:47,400
USA today, it was at the beginning of two thousand,

1432
01:05:47,719 --> 01:05:49,159
but it was a year where there was not a

1433
01:05:49,239 --> 01:05:51,159
lot of big time fights in Vegas for some reason.

1434
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:53,320
There were all their other places. So I never went

1435
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,960
to Vegas until this fight between Lewis and David Tuas.

1436
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,360
So I start the job in like in March. This

1437
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,519
fight's taking place in November. I'm very, very very excited,

1438
01:06:03,800 --> 01:06:06,039
not only going to Las Vegas to cover big time

1439
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:09,159
boxing for the first time, I'm covering the heavyweight championship

1440
01:06:09,159 --> 01:06:12,280
of the world. This was not Lennox as some random

1441
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:15,360
belt holder. He was the bonafide champ. He was not

1442
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,360
undisputed anymore because he had to vacate one of the

1443
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:19,880
he had vacated one of the belts. But he was

1444
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,239
the champ and David Tua was the clear and no

1445
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:27,079
doubt about it, mandatory challenger. Really interesting match hum on paper,

1446
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,119
and Lennox Lewis completely dominated him and he left. David

1447
01:06:30,199 --> 01:06:33,519
Tua was such swelling under his eyes. Remember somebody making

1448
01:06:33,519 --> 01:06:35,559
the point that looked like somebody took a roll of

1449
01:06:35,639 --> 01:06:37,559
quarters you would get leave you're going to the arcade,

1450
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,119
and stuffed it under his eyes. That's the way he

1451
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:42,480
puffed him up like that. Lenox fought a very cautious

1452
01:06:42,639 --> 01:06:46,480
but superb technical fight, and David two, as I have

1453
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,320
said many times, the best heavyweight of his time, to

1454
01:06:49,360 --> 01:06:52,000
never get a to win a heavyweight world title. He

1455
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:54,840
had the great misfortune of the one time he got

1456
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:57,159
a shot at any of the four belts that it

1457
01:06:57,239 --> 01:06:59,960
happened to come against the top notch prime Lenx low

1458
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:03,119
was as the champ. But for me, again, it's a

1459
01:07:03,199 --> 01:07:05,639
very forgettable fight for a lot of people, but for me.

1460
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:08,039
I had covered Lenox against Michael Grant earlier in the

1461
01:07:08,079 --> 01:07:10,280
year in Madison Square Garden. So this was actually my

1462
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,000
second Lenox Lewis fight, but it was the first fight

1463
01:07:13,039 --> 01:07:15,280
I was sent to Vegas to cover, and so that

1464
01:07:15,400 --> 01:07:17,199
made a big impression of me. So if it's twenty

1465
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:20,239
four years ago, I remember a lot compared to even yesterday.

1466
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:22,719
Speaker 1: I got to tell you this, You and I experienced

1467
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,480
this together. You were with me. I had never been

1468
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,159
to a big time world championship fight in Vegas, even

1469
01:07:28,199 --> 01:07:30,880
though I'd been to Vegas, probably ten twelve times in

1470
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:34,039
my life on vacation and other work duties with other sports.

1471
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:36,599
And then I was there for the Crawford beatdown of

1472
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:38,599
Errol Spence, and I said to you, there is just

1473
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:44,079
something different about this place, this mythical, seemingly so far

1474
01:07:44,159 --> 01:07:47,000
away place to come watch a world title fight. So

1475
01:07:47,079 --> 01:07:49,159
I just wondered, real quick, one more time, did you

1476
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:51,280
take a second when Lewis was coming to the ring

1477
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:53,239
and looking around in the area to go, I am

1478
01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:56,000
really here and this is really what it's all about.

1479
01:07:56,239 --> 01:07:59,400
Speaker 2: I will tell you that I don't care. Now, Okay,

1480
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:02,000
you said this was my first fight in Vegas. Now,

1481
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:04,079
I went back to Vegas a few weeks later for

1482
01:08:04,199 --> 01:08:06,920
my second fight in Vegas, which happened to be Fernando

1483
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:10,039
Vargas against Felix Trinidad, which was a classic kind of

1484
01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,639
fight compared certainly compared to Lewis and David two. That

1485
01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:15,039
may have been the greatest junior middleweight title fight in

1486
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,119
the history of the division. But you asked about do

1487
01:08:17,159 --> 01:08:19,359
I take a chance to like take in the atmosphere

1488
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,800
and understand and realize this. And I'll say this, I've

1489
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:25,520
said this before. I have never once ever in almost

1490
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,439
twenty five years of going to Las Vegas. Taken for

1491
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:31,119
granted that I get to do this and every single fight.

1492
01:08:31,119 --> 01:08:33,279
I don't care if it's Vegas, New York, LA, some

1493
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:36,640
small arena where I am, a small casino, but particularly

1494
01:08:36,680 --> 01:08:38,600
the big fights. You're in t Mobile, you're in you

1495
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:40,399
know what used to be Stable Center, you're at Madison

1496
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:45,279
Square Garden. I always, every single time, take a few seconds,

1497
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:47,920
usually during the ring walks, or maybe during the anthems,

1498
01:08:48,199 --> 01:08:50,600
or right before the opening bell, when the crowd is all,

1499
01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,760
you know, all geared up to see this fight. I

1500
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:55,640
take a moment and I take a deep breath and

1501
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:58,119
I look around just to make sure I can remember

1502
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,239
now where I am and how I feel, because it's

1503
01:09:01,319 --> 01:09:02,359
such a great filing.

1504
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:05,319
Speaker 1: My story is when Crawford was coming to the ring

1505
01:09:05,359 --> 01:09:07,800
to lose yourself with Eminem, I'm looking around. I was

1506
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:09,600
not sitting with you, I was sitting in another part

1507
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,560
of the press area, and I'm like, my god, I'm

1508
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:14,760
really here. Here we go, and there's something about that

1509
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:17,000
fight fans.

1510
01:09:15,399 --> 01:09:19,319
Speaker 2: But when Lewis comes into the ring, like yeah, I mean,

1511
01:09:19,640 --> 01:09:21,520
I can't say that one stood out more than others

1512
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,600
because it happened in my time in Vegas. I even

1513
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:24,880
though it was the first one in Vegas. I now

1514
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,279
at this point, I covered a number of fights between

1515
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,840
you know, arriving at USA today in March and here

1516
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,600
we are now in November. But I never took it

1517
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:36,720
for granted. And I remember a lot about about about

1518
01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,279
that fight week and and just people I met and

1519
01:09:39,600 --> 01:09:42,800
things we did, and you know, and just the undercart

1520
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,520
and just just a really you know, you just can't

1521
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,960
replace that first experience of being in Vegas. And it

1522
01:09:51,039 --> 01:09:52,279
just so happened. I mean it could. I could have

1523
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:54,479
been in Vegas for anything, right, it just so happened

1524
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,119
that the first one was the heavyweight championship.

1525
01:09:58,279 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: Love it, great nostalgia, the news and the recap. By

1526
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:05,920
the way, we say Happy Veterans Day to the veterans.

1527
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,640
That includes Thomas Reeves Senior, who helped me become a

1528
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,159
fight fan because he's a fight fan. United States Army,

1529
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:14,680
my brother in law, PFC first Class Scott Franklin of

1530
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:17,119
the United States Marine Corps. I don't know if you

1531
01:10:17,159 --> 01:10:19,159
want to shout anybody else out in your life, but

1532
01:10:19,239 --> 01:10:23,720
to all the veterans, we.

1533
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:24,880
Speaker 2: Just don't have anybody in the family.

1534
01:10:25,159 --> 01:10:28,319
Speaker 1: But that's okay. All the women, all the men that serve, we.

1535
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:31,319
Speaker 2: Salute you for day though actually another thing in my

1536
01:10:31,359 --> 01:10:33,920
immediate family, no, but my wife's mother and her father

1537
01:10:34,159 --> 01:10:35,319
were both Army veterans.

1538
01:10:35,359 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: There you go, salute shout out for Veterans Day on

1539
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:41,600
Monday as we put the pot out. And my friend

1540
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,640
it's Jake, Paul, Mike Tyson or Mike. Oh yes, all

1541
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,319
fight week for Friday. We gotta we gotta get ramped

1542
01:10:48,359 --> 01:10:50,399
up quickly because all this is happening at and T

1543
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,159
Stadium in Arlington coming on Friday night. You and I

1544
01:10:53,159 --> 01:10:55,720
will be in the preview mode. Look forward to that.

1545
01:10:55,880 --> 01:10:58,880
With that, my friend, have a great week. All good here,

1546
01:10:59,279 --> 01:11:00,520
love the stuff the inside.

1547
01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: Dan Raphael, thank you, all right, you have a good week.

1548
01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:06,199
Speaker 1: There is Dan Raphael. I'm merely TJ. Raeves file subscribe

1549
01:11:06,279 --> 01:11:08,920
Rape review us. It's the fight Preach Unite recap off

1550
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,960
for weekend for Dan. I'm TJ. Thank you for being

1551
01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:12,279
with us.