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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior looking forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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<v Speaker 1>Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty are breaking news are

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<v Speaker 1>the fissures, the fractions that are taking place in the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican MAGA coalition, both in the House of Representatives and

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<v Speaker 1>the United States Senate House of Representatives is releasing a

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<v Speaker 1>number of discharge petitions. That is, when Democrats and Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>come together, they can bypass the normal processes for moving

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<v Speaker 1>legislation forward in the House of Representatives. I suspect and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about it with our very special guest host

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<v Speaker 1>host us in this hour that these Republicans have returned

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<v Speaker 1>to Washington from a three week break a location, They've

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<v Speaker 1>heard from their constituents, their premiums are going up in healthcare,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are generally miserable and disappointed in the behavior

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<v Speaker 1>of the Congress of the United States. Our very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest in this hour is none other than Liz King.

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<v Speaker 1>Liz served as the Senior Director of Education Equity Program

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<v Speaker 1>at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, where

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<v Speaker 1>she worked for over a decade, leading efforts to advance

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<v Speaker 1>educational equity and advocate for policies that ensure every child

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<v Speaker 1>has access to high quality education. Prior to her work

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<v Speaker 1>at the Leadership Conference, she served as Senior Policy Associate

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<v Speaker 1>for Education at the Children's Defense Fund, focusing on policy

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<v Speaker 1>initiatives aimed at improving educational outcomes for underserved children. Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Congressman. Is always so much, so great to

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<v Speaker 2>be here, great to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so honored that you hear Liz. Liz, I'm my

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<v Speaker 1>one point about the idea that these Republicans went home

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<v Speaker 1>for a fairly extended break and they heard from their constituents,

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<v Speaker 1>and their constituents do not like what they're seeing going

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<v Speaker 1>into the midterms.

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<v Speaker 2>I think absolutely what we're seeing here is the result

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<v Speaker 2>of building your house on sand. And this is a

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<v Speaker 2>movement that was built on the sand of prejudice and

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<v Speaker 2>division and hatred. And not only does that corrode the personality,

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<v Speaker 2>not only is that dangerous and damaging for the soul,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does not pay the bills. So what we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing right here is exactly what Dubois told us. We

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<v Speaker 2>are seeing the effects of this the fallacy of the

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<v Speaker 2>wages of whiteness, and we are seeing that there is

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<v Speaker 2>no amount of horror that you have brought to the

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<v Speaker 2>lives of our immigrant neighbors, or fear that can be

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<v Speaker 2>put in the lives of our trans neighbors, that will

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<v Speaker 2>make groceries any less expensive, that will help people pay

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<v Speaker 2>the rent, or that will help people pay for their

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<v Speaker 2>health care. And so what I'm hoping, what I believe

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<v Speaker 2>we're seeing is elected officials or being reminded that they

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<v Speaker 2>need to be elected by constituents, and those constituents live

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<v Speaker 2>in a world in which they have needs that deserve

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<v Speaker 2>to be met, and these everyone deserves access to health care,

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<v Speaker 2>and they have been trying to take health care away,

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<v Speaker 2>They've been trying to make health care more expensive, and

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<v Speaker 2>their constituents are saying, hey, look, we're tired of this.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to be able to pay for health care.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to make sure that our fansli taken care of.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope that we see within the MAGA movement

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<v Speaker 2>this recognition that we're all going to have to come

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<v Speaker 2>together and solve these problems that are facing everybody, because

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<v Speaker 2>no matter your politics, you need to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>go to the doctor. No matter your politics, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to take care of your elderly relatives

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<v Speaker 2>and of your baby, Liz.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I'm finding in the three minutes that we

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<v Speaker 1>have remaining in this segment before we come forward, that

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<v Speaker 1>the politics of the economy are immensely local. That the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic talking points are obviously about inflation, about unemployment, about

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<v Speaker 1>national memory. I hear candidates all across the country talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the national politics, but in a real sense, these

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<v Speaker 1>members of Congress came back to Washington and they heard

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<v Speaker 1>from their constituents locally about eggs, about bacon, about grits,

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<v Speaker 1>about Chitlin's, about cornbread, about the myriad of things that

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<v Speaker 1>confront them. Am I right in suggesting that Democrats have

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<v Speaker 1>to translate these messages into local politics so that they

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<v Speaker 1>can be understood by the people.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, all politics is now and will always

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<v Speaker 2>be local. I mean that is the way that people

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<v Speaker 2>live and experience the world is what the prices are

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<v Speaker 2>at their grocery store, you know. And we're seeing this

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<v Speaker 2>with the president, right He keeps trying to tell people

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<v Speaker 2>prices are coming down, but they know that that is

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<v Speaker 2>not consistent with the reality they're experiencing. And so we're

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<v Speaker 2>watching him lie again and again and again, And I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's becoming clearer how much of what he says

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<v Speaker 2>is a great, big lie. Absolutely, it's about keeping things local.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about reminding us one another that we are living

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<v Speaker 2>in communities together with one another, and that and that

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<v Speaker 2>we all deserve the same kind of things, and the

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<v Speaker 2>way that looks in every community is a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 1>Does anyone actually believe Donald Trump goes grocery jobbing hell

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<v Speaker 1>the carton of eggs or bacon, I mean, a man

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<v Speaker 1>who thinks that he has a goldfinger or the gold touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Does anyone who actually stands in the bullied pulpit of

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<v Speaker 1>the residency of the United States, And here's Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the quality and cost of living as being

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<v Speaker 1>better under his administration than any president in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States. This, from your perspective, is that

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<v Speaker 1>even believable?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>No, of course not, of course not. I mean this

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<v Speaker 2>is an individual who doesn't know anything about the realities

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<v Speaker 2>of everyday life. I mean, he doesn't know anything about

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<v Speaker 2>what it is to help your third grader who's struggling

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<v Speaker 2>to learn how to read, or help your eleventh grader

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<v Speaker 2>who's figuring out whether or not they're going to get

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<v Speaker 2>to go to college. He doesn't know anything about trying

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<v Speaker 2>to make ends meet. He doesn't know anything about when

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<v Speaker 2>there's more month than money. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>is just becoming clearer and clearer all the time. People

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<v Speaker 2>have been sold a false bill of goods, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's falling apart. This is a house built on sand.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no there there. And I really hope what we

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<v Speaker 2>see is people turning away and turning together, coming together

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<v Speaker 2>in a movement that means true economic justice and shared

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<v Speaker 2>prosperity for all of us. Absolutely, I hope that's where

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<v Speaker 2>we're going in every community across the whole country.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you knocked it out of the park. More

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<v Speaker 1>month than money. I think the American people clearly understand

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<v Speaker 1>more month than money more When we come forward on

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<v Speaker 1>the misery index that the American people are experiencing under

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<v Speaker 1>the MAGA movement and under the leadership of President Donald

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<v Speaker 1>John Trump, I'm Jesse Jackson, jor Ore. A very special

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<v Speaker 1>guest today is Liz King Moore on KBLA Talk fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>to eighty. When we come forward, Jesse for Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>Junior Show, KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Our very special guest

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<v Speaker 1>in this hour is none other than the incomparable Liz King. Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Congressman, always so much fun to be in conversation

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<v Speaker 2>with you. Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Would get a chance to see the bed chairman's presser.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw some of his statements earlier, but I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see the most recent presser. Now can you tell.

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<v Speaker 1>Us more about it? Just this most recent press conference

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to suggest that the president Department of Justice probe

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<v Speaker 1>is really not about any malfeasans in office or fraud,

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<v Speaker 1>but that the President of the United States is pushing

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<v Speaker 1>back on and pressuring the Federal Reserve Board to follow

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<v Speaker 1>his directions on interest rates without taking into consideration any

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<v Speaker 1>of the economic indicators that the FED usually weighs in

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<v Speaker 1>making determinations or such for such judgments. I'm wondering, Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what your thoughts are about the president, about

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<v Speaker 1>the White House, the President's power to interfere with the FED,

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<v Speaker 1>which is normally an organization that has a its isolated

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<v Speaker 1>if you will insulate it from presidential interference.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're seeing this weaponized prosecution and the weaponized use

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<v Speaker 2>of DOJ all over the place, right, I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>is surprising here is this is a very wealthy white

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<v Speaker 2>man and that is not the usual target of this

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<v Speaker 2>discriminatory prosecution that comes out of this Department of Justice usually, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>it is black women who have the courage and good

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<v Speaker 2>sense to stand up to the president, but certainly, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean they The irony here is we are looking at

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<v Speaker 2>a president seek to respond to very reasonable concern among

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<v Speaker 2>the general public that the economy is not serving their interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you talked about the misery index, and I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good opportunity for us to think about what

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<v Speaker 2>are those economic measures that really do matter to people?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I mean, obviously this is terrifying to see

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<v Speaker 2>the idea of the president having even greater reach into

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<v Speaker 2>the economy, that reach, which he has said so far

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<v Speaker 2>has only had a disastrous consequence, and so sort of

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<v Speaker 2>further influence on his part would only be worse for

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<v Speaker 2>regular people. But it's an opportunity for us to think

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<v Speaker 2>about what does our economy mean, what do our values

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<v Speaker 2>mean in our economy? And what should what should people

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<v Speaker 2>be able to expect and deserve within our economy.

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<v Speaker 1>The misery index is an economic indicator that measures the

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<v Speaker 1>level of economic distress in a country by combining the

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<v Speaker 1>unemployment rate the annual rate of inflation. Developed by economist

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<v Speaker 1>Arthur o'coon in the nineteen seventies, higher index score indicates

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<v Speaker 1>greater economic hardship for the average citizen. The index gained

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<v Speaker 1>prominence during the periods of stagflation or high inflation and

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<v Speaker 1>high unemployment, and has been used in political campaigns to

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<v Speaker 1>evaluate economic performance. Is it likely that we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>hear more in this campaign about the idea that people

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<v Speaker 1>are more miserable than they were four years ago? And

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I say that is this cost. I believe

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<v Speaker 1>a candidate against Ronald Reagan in the eighties and election, well,

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<v Speaker 1>are you better off now than you were four years ago?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we better off now twelve months with Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>than we were just thirteen months ago?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think the world is a much harder

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<v Speaker 2>place for everybody by every measure. And I think this

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<v Speaker 2>is an important reminder, you know, to the degree that

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<v Speaker 2>the lass of the Mega movement is that politicians have

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<v Speaker 2>been insufficiently responsive to economic concern, economic anxiety, and the

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<v Speaker 2>very real way in which our economy is not working

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<v Speaker 2>for so many people in so many communities. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a wake up call. There should be a wake up

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<v Speaker 2>call to everyone. I think the New York mayor's race

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<v Speaker 2>is a really, really good reminder that there are economic

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<v Speaker 2>ideas out there that would create a more livable society

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<v Speaker 2>for all of us. And it is those ideas that

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<v Speaker 2>should be coming forward. It is those ideas that should

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<v Speaker 2>be brought to bear. But I think anybody who fell

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<v Speaker 2>for the lie that you know, Donald Trump said, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>look I'm going to start more wars. I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>make life harder for your neighbor, but it's okay because

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<v Speaker 2>your bills will go down. That that has been shown

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<v Speaker 2>for the lie that it truly is. The bills are

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<v Speaker 2>going up. Life is getting harder, and this is not

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<v Speaker 2>the way we should be living as Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>This we have a clip that I'd like to play,

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<v Speaker 5>Speaking of suing the Trump and administration, the city of

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<v Speaker 5>Chicago and the state of Illinois, and the state of Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 5>and the cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis have all

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<v Speaker 5>brought major lawsuits tonight against the Trump administration to try

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<v Speaker 5>to stop the attack by Trump's federal agents on those

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<v Speaker 5>states and those cities. Trump's attack on Minneapolis in particular

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<v Speaker 5>has been absolutely chaotic and bizarre and totally incoherent, even

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<v Speaker 5>more so in the wake of the killing of Renee

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<v Speaker 3>The Associated Press reporting.

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<v Speaker 5>Tonight that those agents didn't have a warrant from a

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<v Speaker 5>they just did it anyway, into a home with kids inside,

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<v Speaker 5>A man named Christian Molina, US citizen, was driving south

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<v Speaker 5>Made eye contact with an ICE officer who was lurking

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<v Speaker 5>then chased him and literally rammed his car into mister

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<v Speaker 3>Mister Molina is.

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<v Speaker 5>A US citizen, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune tonight quote.

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<v Speaker 5>As agents confronted Christian Molina, dozens of community members came

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<v Speaker 3>The people who responded to that.

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<v Speaker 5>his rights and that this was an illegal stop and

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<v Speaker 5>he didn't need to show them anything. And after all

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<v Speaker 5>the agents, I kid you not, what did they do?

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<v Speaker 5>They set off two tear gas canisters in the street

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<v Speaker 5>and then ran away. That was their contribution to public

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<v Speaker 5>order and safety in South Minneapolis today. Here's another standoff

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<v Speaker 5>from this weekend. A woman in Minneapolis ordered door dash

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<v Speaker 5>and ice apparently chased the woman doing the delivery for DoorDash,

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<v Speaker 5>to do it, and if they didn't have that warrant,

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<v Speaker 5>she was not letting them in. And she called the

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<v Speaker 5>neighbors came out, and everybody was standing there blowing whistles

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<v Speaker 1>Liz, It's clear that the federal agents who ripped, who

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<v Speaker 1>are represented by the Customs Enforcement Agency, have not been

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<v Speaker 1>taught how to mirandize people, have ignored the Constitution of

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. They are not reading people their rights.

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<v Speaker 1>They are a gang in just about every municipality in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation terrorizing people. Liz. Your initial thoughts, Liz, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you have to unmute yourself, Liz, We've.

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<v Speaker 2>Gotten this far without that from no. Two things I

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<v Speaker 2>want to just uplift from this that are the good

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<v Speaker 2>part of this right two things. One thing I heard

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<v Speaker 2>in that clip is how many people in Minneapolis know

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<v Speaker 2>their rights. They know what the Constitution says, and we

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<v Speaker 2>know throughout the course of American history. It is that knowledge.

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<v Speaker 2>It is that power of the Constitution in people's hands

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<v Speaker 2>that has enabled them to push back, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>think the other big piece here is the power of coalition.

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<v Speaker 2>It is the interracial coalition that is refusing to obey

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<v Speaker 2>that is causing, that is prompting this reaction. Is this frustration,

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<v Speaker 2>this recognition of how transformatively powerful coalition is. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely terrifying to watch this, to know that children

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<v Speaker 2>are seeing this, to see this idea that a neighbor

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<v Speaker 2>has to choose what is the safest course of action,

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<v Speaker 2>whether to exercise their rights or not. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I like to take it back to the

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<v Speaker 2>history and just going back to the Illinois and the

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota lawsuits. What that makes me think of is the

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<v Speaker 2>reaction to the Fugitive Slave Act. Right, The Fugitive Slave

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<v Speaker 2>Act was an example where states had decided they were

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<v Speaker 2>going to respect the human dignity and the constitutional rights

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<v Speaker 2>of their residence. They were going to outlaw slavery. And

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<v Speaker 2>you had Southern states had a national federal law that

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<v Speaker 2>And I really hope that's not where we're going. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think that's where we need to go. But

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<v Speaker 2>we are being reminded that there are a few instances

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<v Speaker 2>so proud of Illinois and Minnesota for what they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>and the way that they're showing up.

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<v Speaker 1>In your opinion, Liz, do you think and I know

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<v Speaker 1>we have just about five minutes before we come forward

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<v Speaker 1>for our larger break, I'm wondering if MAGA understands that

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<v Speaker 1>in the midterm elections they are going to have to

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<v Speaker 1>own the behavior of ICE in municipalities and in rural

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<v Speaker 1>areas across our country. Do you think they understand that?

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I would say, Congressman, this brings us back to

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<v Speaker 2>the conversation we were having a while ago about the

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<v Speaker 2>going to see more and more of them abdicate responsibility.

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<v Speaker 2>They are going to do what has always happened when

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<v Speaker 2>you have these oppressive regimes. Individual people will try and

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<v Speaker 2>wash their hands of it. They'll try and say, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know. They'll try and say, oh, I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything to do with that. Or in the case

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<v Speaker 2>of the White House Chief of Staff, they'll say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I had advised against that. I think we are going

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<v Speaker 2>to see they're increasingly there is a realization they are

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<v Speaker 2>on the wrong side of history. They will be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>Not only will they be held accountable at the gates

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<v Speaker 2>with Saint Peter, but they will be held accountable in

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<v Speaker 2>their own lifetime for the actions that they are involved in.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think for those who voted for this president,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever their motivation, there is a chance in the midterms,

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<v Speaker 2>we've all got to get out there. We've all got

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<v Speaker 2>to shut this down. We've got to end this MAGA movement.

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<v Speaker 2>We've got to reclaim our dignity, our values as Americans,

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<v Speaker 2>our unity, and our civilization because that is what is

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<v Speaker 1>At some point in time, Liz, I want to shift

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<v Speaker 1>to the international space because I think that the United

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<v Speaker 1>cooperation with governments around the world. The President has now

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<v Speaker 1>shifted his attention to Greenland, clearly isolating Europe and threatening

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<v Speaker 1>the NATO alliance. Your initial thoughts on the possible unraveling

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<v Speaker 2>I mean absolutely, exporting this thuggery is terrible and what

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<v Speaker 2>I hope we are going to see. You know, what

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<v Speaker 2>which black leaders have historically appealed to the United Nations

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<v Speaker 2>to intervene when the United States, the federal government or

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<v Speaker 2>state governments were acting against the human rights of people

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<v Speaker 2>in the United States. Now what we're seeing is an

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<v Speaker 2>effort to export this thuggery to other countries. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the idea nobody, the idea that anyone would walk away

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<v Speaker 2>from the history of the twentieth century and think that

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<v Speaker 2>war is a good idea and we should do more

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<v Speaker 2>of that. I mean, it is the United Nations. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>The beginning we saw of this was the dismantling of USAID,

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<v Speaker 2>countries who are facing the most challenging situations a human

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<v Speaker 2>being can ever be in. And that is a self

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<v Speaker 2>interested move by the United States to prevent starvation and

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<v Speaker 2>to ensure that people's human needs are being met, as

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<v Speaker 2>well as a moral responsibility. I mean, this nuggery we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing on the global stage. It's embarrassing and it is dangerous,

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<v Speaker 1>I heard one of the most outrageous press conferences I

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard this week as well, when Stephen Miller exited

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<v Speaker 1>the White House and essentially said that might makes right

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<v Speaker 1>and that the United States is under an obligation in

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<v Speaker 1>this space to exercise its mighty, full military power to

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<v Speaker 1>enforce its will on governments in our hemisphere and around

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Obviously, that is deeply that is deeply troubling,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is there is a day of reckoning that

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the Stephen Miller Laban's realm agenda is terrifying. And

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<v Speaker 2>this is not where this is. We as a world

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<v Speaker 2>are moving towards democracy, We're moving towards inclusion, We're moving

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<v Speaker 2>towards peace and away from war and away from thuggishness.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what we're seeing here is a reaction

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<v Speaker 2>global conquest great again. And that is not the story

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<v Speaker 2>that we know. That is not the story that we tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Their heroes are the villains, and I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>are idolizing the wrong people. They are celebrating the wrong values.

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<v Speaker 2>We need American values of peace, equality and equal opportunity,

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<v Speaker 1>I am more confident than ever that if Democrats and

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have some profound problems. Because the opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>is ours. We're going to have to have stopgap measures,

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<v Speaker 1>literally take control of the House of Representatives in the

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<v Speaker 1>He already says, you're going to impeach me. They're going

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<v Speaker 1>to impeach me. Yeah, we're going to impeach him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior. Other than Liz King on KBLA. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Our a very special guest in this hour is none

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<v Speaker 1>other than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Congressman. Always good to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Liz. Please forgive me for that brief technical difficulty. Liz,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to go back to this issue of the

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<v Speaker 1>unraveling of MAGA. Is there anything that Trump can do

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a great question. I think that this

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<v Speaker 2>house of sand on which this house has built, these

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<v Speaker 2>in a multi racial democracy, to live peacefully, to have

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<v Speaker 2>are being met. And so maybe what we're seeing now

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<v Speaker 2>I think, you know, in the last several years, there

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<v Speaker 2>and I really do hope that's coming to an end.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you see anything coming together on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the aisle that suggests Democrats can capitalize from the

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<v Speaker 1>unraveling of Mega, Well.

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<v Speaker 2>What I hope we're going to see is that politicians

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<v Speaker 2>across the political spectrum recommit themselves to core American values

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<v Speaker 2>of equal opportunity and non discrimination and frankly democracy. I

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<v Speaker 2>hope what we see as a commitment to economic justice

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<v Speaker 2>and equal opportunity. And I think the question now is

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<v Speaker 2>whether Democrats are going to show up for that agenda.

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<v Speaker 2>And we have seen some tremendous, courageous leadership by Democrats,

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<v Speaker 2>and I hope we see more of that. I hope

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<v Speaker 2>that becomes the defining central theme of the party, that

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<v Speaker 2>when you are building your house on rock, when you

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<v Speaker 2>are anchored, you are clear about your values, You're clear

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<v Speaker 2>what you stand to stand for. I think it is

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<v Speaker 2>easier to move forward, and it's easier to move forward together.

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<v Speaker 2>And I hope we hear a lot more talk about

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<v Speaker 2>what it means to be an American what it means

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<v Speaker 2>to believe in our democracy.

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<v Speaker 1>When we think about the Mamdani race, the New Jersey race,

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<v Speaker 1>the Virginia race, and so of the subsequent campaigns that

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<v Speaker 1>have taken place, there does seem to be more interest

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<v Speaker 1>on the progressive center left side of the political ledger

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<v Speaker 1>in engaging primary elections as well as general elections than normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you agree with that, Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we're seeing is it's a very very

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<v Speaker 2>challenging time in our country, and so a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>people are putting forward a bunch of different ideas. And

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<v Speaker 2>what I am feeling most encouraged about is the times

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<v Speaker 2>when we see that the democracy still works. The democracy

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<v Speaker 2>is still functioning. And what I hope is that we

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<v Speaker 2>hear messages from every candidate that reflect a commitment to democracy,

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<v Speaker 2>equal opportunity, and economic justice. You know, whether that comes

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<v Speaker 2>in the form of primaries or general elections, or however

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<v Speaker 2>it plays out. I want to see every candidate running

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<v Speaker 2>for office tell us how they will commit to constitutional rights,

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<v Speaker 2>how they will ensure that everyone's life gets a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit better. I think that's going to be the real question.

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<v Speaker 2>Wether that takes primary challenges or only happens in the general.

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<v Speaker 2>Those contrasts who's with us and who's against us? I

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<v Speaker 2>think is going to be really important, because we the

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<v Speaker 2>American people, deserve better. We deserve better than what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>right now, and I hope we see public officials coming

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<v Speaker 2>forward with a commitment to offer a better vision and

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<v Speaker 2>a better way forward, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, speaking of better vision. What I'm learning and what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hearing and what I understand is everyone is running

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<v Speaker 1>against Donald Trump. I get that, but not many people

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<v Speaker 1>are distinguishing themselves within the democratic process of what it

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<v Speaker 1>is that they stand for. What is the alternative to

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<v Speaker 1>Project twenty twenty five. What are we going to undo

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<v Speaker 1>that Trump has made a disaster out of What are

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<v Speaker 1>the problems that have to be solved as a result

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<v Speaker 1>of a democratic victory? And I'm not quite clear on that.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that in large measure, the Affordable Care Act

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<v Speaker 1>is a big, big piece of that. But I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>hearing from Democrats a comprehensive agenda to return the federal

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<v Speaker 1>government to some sense of normalcy, given that Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 1>has taken a sledgehammer to the entire idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a federal Yeah, what I hope we see is

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<v Speaker 2>the civil and human rights community coming together and leading

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<v Speaker 2>us forward to the next chapter. And that I hope

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<v Speaker 2>we see elected officials falling in line behind that vision.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is a vision the civil and human rights

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<v Speaker 2>community has been advocating for for more than one hundred years,

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<v Speaker 2>because we know, even before the destruction and the burning

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<v Speaker 2>down of the Trump administration, our government was not doing

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<v Speaker 2>enough for all of us. Our government was not doing

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<v Speaker 2>enough to ensure a level playing field and that everyone

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<v Speaker 2>had a fair chance. And so what I hope we

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<v Speaker 2>see as politicians lining up, joining hand in hand with

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<v Speaker 2>communities to say, we are now committing ourselves to an

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<v Speaker 2>affirmive vision of the future that is about equal opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>that is about everyone having a chance to get ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>about everyone having their needs met and living peaceably side

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<v Speaker 2>by side with diverse neighbors and diverse neighborhoods. And I

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<v Speaker 2>hope we see that. I hope we see politicians lining up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I expect to see the leadership coming from the

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<v Speaker 2>civil and human rights community as it always has to

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<v Speaker 2>paint a path forward. I mean, really, this is the

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<v Speaker 2>conscience of the nation we're talking about, and now is

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<v Speaker 2>about time for us to have some conscience.

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<v Speaker 1>Liz, I wanted to broach the subject matter in the

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<v Speaker 1>final segment of our show, but it might as well

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<v Speaker 1>broach it now. What happened to Renee Good is a

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<v Speaker 1>turning moment, a turning point. I believe in the American

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<v Speaker 1>people's understanding of the cruelty of the Trump administration, the

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<v Speaker 1>quick response, the lack of an investigation. Christy Nome, as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the president and vice presidents statements with respect

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<v Speaker 1>to what we obviously saw on the video not an

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<v Speaker 1>attempt to hurt an ICE agent, just the attempt of

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<v Speaker 1>a mother of a spouse to move on with her day.

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<v Speaker 1>Your thoughts on Christino, I'm sorry your thoughts on Renee Good.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is this is just such an awful

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<v Speaker 2>moment for the country. And I think you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>what immediately came to my to mind for me was Goodwin, Chorner,

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<v Speaker 2>and Cheney, and that was the three voting rights workers

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<v Speaker 2>who were lynched in Mississippi. And it was just an awful,

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<v Speaker 2>awful point in the civil rights movement. And I think,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, part of part of what we have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep in mind, there was a reminder that we cannot

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<v Speaker 2>we cannot be more outraged by violence against white people

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<v Speaker 2>than we are by violence against black and brown people.

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<v Speaker 2>But what I think we're seeing here is a call

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<v Speaker 2>to action for everyone in every community to show up

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<v Speaker 2>with their neighbors, to show up in unity and love

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<v Speaker 2>and respect, a commitment to our constitutional American values of

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<v Speaker 2>equal opportunity. It's just horrific. It is horrific what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>She deserved to go home and be with her child

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<v Speaker 2>that day. That's what everyone deserves every day. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>deserve to be kidnapped off the street. They don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't deserve to be roughed up by these thugs who

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<v Speaker 2>call themselves law enforcement. They deserve better than that. We

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<v Speaker 2>all deserve better than what is happening right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 1>Junior Show on k BLA Talk fifteen eighty. We have

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<v Speaker 1>this king on Tenacious Tuesday. She is a regular contributor

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<v Speaker 1>on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. And I am particularly

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<v Speaker 1>excited that that her mind, that her spirit and her

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<v Speaker 1>body is here with us on every other Tuesday. Because

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<v Speaker 1>of the extraordinary contribution that she makes and keeps us

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<v Speaker 1>informed in Washington, d C. What's taking place in our

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<v Speaker 1>country and our world. More on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>When we came come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Garrison.

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<v Speaker 1>Our very special guest in this hour is none other

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<v Speaker 1>than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks so much, Congressman. Always great to.

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<v Speaker 3>Be here, Liz.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's stay on the national stage for just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>The first president ever the bomb eight country in less

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<v Speaker 1>than a year, and I'm deeply concerned about the unrest

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<v Speaker 1>that is taking place in Iran and just how destabilizing

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<v Speaker 1>that could ultimately be.

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<v Speaker 2>Your thoughts, listen, I think what we're seeing is that

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<v Speaker 2>the demand of people to be free, to be to

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<v Speaker 2>feed their children, to have security, to have safety, to

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<v Speaker 2>have freedom, to have opportunity, transcends time and place, and

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're seeing that in Iran. Now, we're seeing

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<v Speaker 2>the people of Iran are showing up and pushing back

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<v Speaker 2>against the conditions they've been subjected to for far too long.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're seeing that, you know, we saw that

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<v Speaker 2>in the Arab Spring we have seen that in Hungary

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<v Speaker 2>and the resistance to the anti LGBTQ movement in Hungary

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<v Speaker 2>in the way in which the Hungarian people have pushed

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<v Speaker 2>back against that, and I think we are being reminded

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<v Speaker 2>of the insistence, the persistence, the determination of people to

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<v Speaker 2>be free in all places. And I think that that

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<v Speaker 2>comes back here too. What we are seeing is people

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<v Speaker 2>walking away from the MAGA movement, people realizing that this

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<v Speaker 2>is a movement that is about control and oppression. It's

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<v Speaker 2>about making life harder, not easier. It's about taking away

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<v Speaker 2>and making the rich richer and the poor poorer. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think we're being reminded that we are one people

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<v Speaker 2>on this planet and what we want as human beings.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the language of human rights, that

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<v Speaker 2>what we want as human beings transcends our time and place.

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<v Speaker 2>And what I hope for is that there will be

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity. You know, there's that quote.

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<v Speaker 4>That that JFK always use.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when you make nonviolent resistance impossible, you make

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<v Speaker 2>violent revolution inevitable. And what I hope we see is

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<v Speaker 2>a nonviolent transition to democracy across the globe, including in

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<v Speaker 2>our own country.

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't I couldn't agree more that the movement, the

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<v Speaker 1>winds of change are moving throughout societies around our country

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<v Speaker 1>and around our world. The people are pushing back. They

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<v Speaker 1>are fighting back against authoritarianism in Iran, they are fighting

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<v Speaker 1>back against authoritarianism around the world, and even what might

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<v Speaker 1>have been meant or bad by Donald Trump in some areas,

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<v Speaker 1>it's turning out for good because the people are beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to express themselves and rise up and take responsibility for

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<v Speaker 1>their own lives and for their own actions. I should

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<v Speaker 1>share with you that, given all that the Middle East

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<v Speaker 1>has been through since October seventh, a destabilized Iran will

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<v Speaker 1>also play very well into the hands of the Israelis.

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<v Speaker 1>Your thoughts on this critical issue, Liz.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we're seeing is that the determination what

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<v Speaker 2>you know, what King told us, is that peace is

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<v Speaker 2>not merely the absence of tension, is the presence of justice,

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<v Speaker 2>and that people will never people will only live with

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<v Speaker 2>injustice for but so long. And we need to create

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<v Speaker 2>conditions that enable people to elect their leaders to determine

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<v Speaker 2>their own future. We need to create a scenario you know,

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<v Speaker 2>in which you know, freedom is just another word for

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<v Speaker 2>nothing left to lose. We need to be in a

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<v Speaker 2>situation in which people can be hopeful and have a

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<v Speaker 2>future and they can turn away from violence. More violence,

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<v Speaker 2>more killing is terrifying. It is terrifying in any place,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly the Middle East is a region that has

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<v Speaker 2>had far more than its fair share of violence and

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<v Speaker 2>oppression for far too long. These are people entitled to

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<v Speaker 2>self determination and equal opportunity, the same as people in

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<v Speaker 2>every corner of the globe. And what I hope we

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<v Speaker 2>see is a transition to a United States government that

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<v Speaker 2>is a friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you offer us a word of hope?

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we're being told right now is in

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<v Speaker 2>a world with Christy Noman, Donald Trump, be good. Every

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<v Speaker 2>day every one of us has the opportunity to show

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<v Speaker 2>up for our neighbors, to straighten our own backs, to

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<v Speaker 2>be a force for good, for peace, for justice and

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<v Speaker 2>equal opportunity. And I think that is what we are

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<v Speaker 2>all called to do, is to be good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been reading Beyond Vietnam, a speech that

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King delivered in nineteen sixty seven, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think this revolutionary revolution of values that doctor King talked

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<v Speaker 1>about in that speech, as we turned the corner towards

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<v Speaker 1>his ninety seventh birthday on January fifteenth. I'm reminded that

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<v Speaker 1>he said that young black men in the ghettos and

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods of our nation had come up to him and

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<v Speaker 1>they had said, doctor King, you're asking us to be nonviolent,

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<v Speaker 1>but what about Vietnam? And Doctor King said it essentially

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<v Speaker 1>froze him in his steps. He said that he knew

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<v Speaker 1>at that moment that he could no longer speak with

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<v Speaker 1>integrity on the question of nonviolence without commenting on the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest purveyor of violence in the world, the US government.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was in nineteen sixty seven. And if there's

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<v Speaker 1>ever been a case for just how violent, overtly and

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<v Speaker 1>covertly the United States government can truly be, of course

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<v Speaker 1>the great tragedy being in the name of the American people,

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<v Speaker 1>which means that whatever the US government does, it means

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<v Speaker 1>that Liz King and I and those of you within

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<v Speaker 1>listening range of my voice, wherever we travel in the world,

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<v Speaker 1>the perception is that we condone the behavior of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. And that's why these militias are now showing

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<v Speaker 1>up in Venezuela looking for American citizens and looking for Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>because the world that we live in today is a

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<v Speaker 1>lot less safe as a result of the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>we've not given thought to the end that we seek,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing full well that how we behave on the international

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<v Speaker 1>stage has impacts for Americans abroad, Americans at home, and

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<v Speaker 1>Americans all over our world in a real sense, Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Luther King Junior. Liz was absolutely right that we find

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves trapped in an inescapable bond of mutuality. What makes

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<v Speaker 1>Liz King the very best that she can be also

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<v Speaker 1>makes me the very best that I can be. And

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm at my very best, Liz King can also

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<v Speaker 1>be at her very best. And therefore, when we turn

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<v Speaker 1>to each other and not on each other, we bring

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<v Speaker 1>people together and we thrive together. Liz, I'm so grateful

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<v Speaker 1>that you joined us for this hour on the Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Junior Show, indeed your show on Tenacious Tuesdays. Thank

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<v Speaker 1>you for being with us, Liz, Thank.

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<v Speaker 2>You so much. Congressman, can't wait for next time.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait as well. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're

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<v Speaker 1>on the Jay Lunch Club Jesse Jackson Junior on Tenacious

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesdays with Liz King and up next of course, none

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<v Speaker 1>other than the Great Attorney Barbara arnwot More on KBLA

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<v Speaker 1>talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward right here,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Listening

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<v Speaker 1>to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on tenacious Tuesday. And

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<v Speaker 1>I was thinking and reflecting upon our conversation with Liz King.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was also reflecting upon a speech that Martin

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<v Speaker 1>Luther King Junior delivered on April fourth, nineteen sixty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>at Manhattan's Riverside Church. And in this moment, I'm saying

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<v Speaker 1>to myself self, is it a time to break our silence?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a time to break our silence? The title

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<v Speaker 1>of the speech that Martin Luther King Junior delivered on

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<v Speaker 1>that occasion beyond Vietnam, A time to break Silence. Doctor

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<v Speaker 1>King gave considerable reflection to the idea that clergymen politicians

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen sixty seven, many of them were running for office,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly the politicians. There was a nineteen sixty eight presidential

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<v Speaker 1>election year. Clergymen were joining the Democrats, and some were

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<v Speaker 1>exercising their rights supporting candidates for president of the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be in that context, of course, at the

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<v Speaker 1>democratic nomination or through the democratic nomination process, that Bobby

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<v Speaker 1>Kennedy would lose his life at the hands of Sir

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<v Speaker 1>Hann Sir Han and Doctor King a few short months later,

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<v Speaker 1>would lose his life after Bobby Kennedy. Before Bobby Kennedy

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<v Speaker 1>had lost his life, remember, Bobby Kennedy broke the news

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<v Speaker 1>that Martin Luther King Junior had been assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was a season of death and Martin Luther

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<v Speaker 1>King Junior in April, about a year or so before

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<v Speaker 1>he died, he began raising this question that we have

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<v Speaker 1>to break our silence, and for his position on the

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<v Speaker 1>Vietnam War, he was criticized by black clergymen, by black

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<v Speaker 1>elected officials, who Doctor King talks about in the speech

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<v Speaker 1>by saying that during a time of war, it is

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to not be supportive of your own nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor King says that heightened senses of patriotism are a

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<v Speaker 1>factor in national support for our sons and daughters that

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<v Speaker 1>we have sent as a nation into harm's way. I

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<v Speaker 1>say that with a caveat when the Congress of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States that being authorizes a war on behalf of

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<v Speaker 1>their constituents and on behalf of the American people. The

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<v Speaker 1>heat and the pressure has come from the people to

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<v Speaker 1>their representatives for the need to go to war. But

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<v Speaker 1>unilateral actions by a sovereign, from my perspective, are not

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<v Speaker 1>the same. And so the moment is propitious for us

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to break our silence that our men

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<v Speaker 1>and women, that our weapons are being used without the

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<v Speaker 1>authorization of the Congress of the United States, that our

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<v Speaker 1>men and women are in harm's way, and our children,

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<v Speaker 1>that this is not activity that has been authorized by

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<v Speaker 1>Congress nor supported by the American people. Therefore, immediately leaving

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<v Speaker 1>before us the question, at what point in time is

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<v Speaker 1>it a time for us to break our silence? That

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<v Speaker 1>the activities themselves in Greenland, in Venezuela, the threats in Colombia,

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<v Speaker 1>the threats to Cubans launching rockets into Nigeria, the role

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States is undoubtedly playing in Iran, the

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<v Speaker 1>security for Palestinians, and the security for Israelis in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East. The question is at what point in time

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<v Speaker 1>are we going to break our silence? And so I've

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<v Speaker 1>been struggling. Just before I bring our tenacious guest, Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>Arnweine into the program, probably at the next break. I've

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<v Speaker 1>been struggling with this idea that beyond Vietnam needs to

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<v Speaker 1>be upgraded to include something like beyond Venezuela. What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of world in our silence are we building and what

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<v Speaker 1>message are we sending to progressive movements around the world

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<v Speaker 1>when we are silent? Is it that we are frozen

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<v Speaker 1>by the behavior of the United States of America that

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<v Speaker 1>we could have never imagined that a president would seek

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<v Speaker 1>to shape the entire world order unilaterally. He told us

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<v Speaker 1>this is what he was going to do, and no

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<v Speaker 1>one wants to say, I told you so, But we

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<v Speaker 1>did tell you so. Kamala told us so. Remember back

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<v Speaker 1>when Democrats were squabbling over who should succeed Joe Biden.

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<v Speaker 1>Lest should we forget just about a year and a

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<v Speaker 1>half ago, we had a Democratic national convention where who

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<v Speaker 1>would lead the Democratic Party was a factor in the

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<v Speaker 1>national conversation, not fully appreciating all that was at stake.

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<v Speaker 1>If last November Donald Trump was elected President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States, a time to break our silence. I have

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<v Speaker 1>read as high as seventeen percent of the black mail

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<v Speaker 1>vote in the last election went to Donald Trump and today,

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<v Speaker 1>only six percent of African American men find favor with

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<v Speaker 1>Donald Trump. There is evidence on the horizon that the

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<v Speaker 1>time to break our silence is upon us, and I

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<v Speaker 1>want us to reflect some point in time during the

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<v Speaker 1>course of this week, before the official birthday celebration of

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Junior, maybe on Johnny Max's Show and

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<v Speaker 1>the World House, not just about beyond Vietnam, but beyond Venezuela.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the revolution of values that we must go

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<v Speaker 1>through as a nation in order to build a beloved community.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to Tenacious Tuesday on

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<v Speaker 1>Tuesdays on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward,

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara Arnwine will join us our most tenacious guest. More

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<v Speaker 1>when we come forward on KLA I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen eighty. And before I bring on our very special guest,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to give a shout out to the sisters

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<v Speaker 1>of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority on the occasion of their

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<v Speaker 1>founder day. Extraordinary sorority founded in nineteen thirteen, very productive

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<v Speaker 1>and important organization within the African American community of professional women,

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<v Speaker 1>Happy Founders Day. Our very special guest in this hour

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<v Speaker 1>is none other than Tenacious contributor Attorney Barbara Arnwine, President

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<v Speaker 1>and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, Internationally renowned for

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<v Speaker 1>contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of the

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<v Speaker 1>landmark Civil Rights Act of nineteen ninety one and the

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and six reauthorization of provisions of the Voting

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<v Speaker 1>Rights Act. Barbara, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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<v Speaker 1>Show and Tenacious Tuesdays your muted Barbara.

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<v Speaker 4>It's great to be here. Thank you for having.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, Barbara. I was sharing just before you came on

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<v Speaker 1>the program that Martin Luther King Junior preached at Riverside

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<v Speaker 1>Church Beyond Vietnam A time to break silence? Barbara, Is

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<v Speaker 1>this the time to break our silence?

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<v Speaker 4>Absolutely? And I want to commend the millions of people

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<v Speaker 4>who jumped into the streets this last weekend. They were

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<v Speaker 4>in the streets on the ninth, They were in the

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<v Speaker 4>streets on the tenth, They were in the streets a

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<v Speaker 4>lot on the eleventh, you know, protesting ice, protesting the

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<v Speaker 4>invasion of Venezuela, the threats against these other nations protesting,

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<v Speaker 4>and I want to command every person because it was

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<v Speaker 4>called out there. I'm sorry, y'all. It was cold in Minneapolis,

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<v Speaker 4>it was cold even in DC. But people showed up

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<v Speaker 4>anyway because they were that angered, that distressed by our

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<v Speaker 4>nation and the actions that have been taken by this

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<v Speaker 4>Trump administration. Folks, mark your calendars down January the twentieth,

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<v Speaker 4>the day after MLK Day. Nationally, January the twentieth is

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<v Speaker 4>the nationwide walk out on Fascism. It is the first

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<v Speaker 4>anniversary of the Trump administration, and it is a protest

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<v Speaker 4>of all the unconstitutional, vicious, and evil deeds that this

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<v Speaker 4>administration has done. And we're asking everyone to please take

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<v Speaker 4>to the streets, walk out of your job, walk out

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<v Speaker 4>of your school, walk out of whatever you're doing. At

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<v Speaker 4>two o'clock PM Eastern. Two o'clock pm Eastern, we're asking

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<v Speaker 4>people to leave your places of employment from and we're

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<v Speaker 4>having a two hour walk out from two until four,

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<v Speaker 4>and if you want to go longer, start earlier in

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<v Speaker 4>the early later. Fantastic. You can get a lot of

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<v Speaker 4>information by about this walkout from the Women's March from

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<v Speaker 4>Dcproject dot org and I will give even more contacts

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<v Speaker 4>as we talk. But it's critical that we the people

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<v Speaker 4>continue to show our opposition to this nonsense. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>think about this, most of us. You know, a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of people just became aware of Renee you know, Nicole

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<v Speaker 4>good because of her vicious murder that was caught on video.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank God for the people who video. Keep on video

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<v Speaker 4>in people, keep on video. Please please don't ever stop

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<v Speaker 4>doing that, because it's the only way we can refute

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<v Speaker 4>the lies of the government and the lies of officials.

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<v Speaker 4>We need you to keep doing that. But when people

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<v Speaker 4>became aware of Renee Good, Goods slave and saw the

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<v Speaker 4>lies that were told by Christy Nolan, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 4>straight up lies. But that's what fashionsts do. They lie,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's what this administration has done. It lies every day.

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<v Speaker 4>I said that if they couldn't if they couldn't lie,

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<v Speaker 4>they wouldn't be able to talk. That's how bad their

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<v Speaker 4>lying is. I'm serious. And they they I mean they,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, they would have nothing to say because all

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<v Speaker 4>they do is lie. And I think that the great

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<v Speaker 4>thing here is that people were able to see it

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<v Speaker 4>for themselves and from all the different angles, uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and we're able to see it for themselves, and they

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<v Speaker 4>heard that comment that Trump dvanced and nobody else will

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<v Speaker 4>talk about uh. And that is the comment at the

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<v Speaker 4>after he shot her, that F and B word that

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<v Speaker 4>he said, come on now, No, I made.

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<v Speaker 2>Him say that that's correct.

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<v Speaker 4>He was under note threat, had already killed the poor woman,

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<v Speaker 4>her car had already crashed, and he's up there celebrating,

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<v Speaker 4>said F and B. Well, but I mean, come on, father.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen government of for and by the people

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<v Speaker 1>more tone deaf to the needs, to the marches, to

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<v Speaker 1>the way in which dissent is being expressed about their behavior,

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<v Speaker 1>quite like I've seen in the last eleven almost twelve

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<v Speaker 1>months of the Trump administration. Is it your opinion that

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<v Speaker 1>if the branches of government were more divided, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>if Democrats regained control of Congress, that the administration may

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<v Speaker 1>be less tone deaf. I know that there is a

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<v Speaker 1>movement of foot impeachment articles. Some have even talked about

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<v Speaker 1>bringing or for Secretary nome Y. There are others who

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<v Speaker 1>have advanced impeachment articles already, including Congressman Al Green or

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<v Speaker 1>President of the United States administration officials. Is that the key?

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<v Speaker 4>I think, first of all, let's step back a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit on your question, because the first issue is I

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<v Speaker 4>don't think they are a governmant for we the people.

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<v Speaker 4>They are a government for we the wrinch, we the

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<v Speaker 4>all of guards, we the racist, we the uh you know,

855
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<v Speaker 4>we the greedy. But they are not for we the people.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, he makes that clearingity all the time. He

857
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<v Speaker 4>talks about blue and red states, about how he's gonna

858
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<v Speaker 4>persecute the Blue states, and uh, so he's made it

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<v Speaker 4>clear that he does not see himself as a president

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<v Speaker 4>of all the people. He never talks about being a

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<v Speaker 4>president of all the people. In fact, every time he speaks,

862
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<v Speaker 4>he's going after some divide. So mally's, some Mally's who

863
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<v Speaker 4>are living in our country are are the enemy. He

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<v Speaker 4>goes at and won't talk about all these billionaire and frosters.

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<v Speaker 4>Come on, now, I want to talk. I mean, won't

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<v Speaker 4>talk about you know who put asie content on the

867
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<v Speaker 4>on the streets. It wasn't who you think it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was rich folks. Uh and they are richer because

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<v Speaker 4>of it. None of them have gone to jail. Come on,

870
00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 4>and there's just all these realities that and and who

871
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<v Speaker 4>did he uh pardon he pardoned the biggest drug lord

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<v Speaker 4>in the history of bringing tons and tons of drugs

873
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<v Speaker 4>into these United States. He doesn't care about we the people,

874
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<v Speaker 4>that's the reality. He only cares about we the oliguards.

875
00:52:43.639 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 4>He only wants to make his people richer. Why is

876
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 4>he threatening Jerome Powell? Come on, what is Jerome Powell?

877
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<v Speaker 4>The head of the Federal Reserve mad at him because

878
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<v Speaker 4>he won't do what he wants to do to help,

879
00:52:59.000 --> 00:53:03.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, benefit his rich people. Uh So, folks, this

880
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<v Speaker 4>is this is terrible. We are in a Uh this

881
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<v Speaker 4>is what oligarchs do. Oli Arts invade other non nations

882
00:53:11.119 --> 00:53:16.280
<v Speaker 4>to get their rare earth minerals, their natural resources. Oligarchs,

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<v Speaker 4>uh say, you know, put uh police in the streets

884
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<v Speaker 4>and have law enforcement terrorized neighborhoods so people can be

885
00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.039
<v Speaker 4>their lives can be destroyed. Oligarchs do this all because

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<v Speaker 4>all they want and all they see is the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>line house their money growing.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I find it fascinating the point that you made,

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<v Speaker 1>and I wanted to kind of go back and unpack

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<v Speaker 1>it for just a moment. That oxycotton, oxy codone, whatever

891
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<v Speaker 1>you want to get, Yes, is a prescription medication.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>And these doctors were pushing these drugs. They were dealers,

894
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<v Speaker 1>and it resulted in the depths of hundreds, maybe even

895
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<v Speaker 1>thousands of people, thousands of thousands, old prosecutions. None Now,

896
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<v Speaker 1>fentanyl wherever it's coming from Mexico, South America, where it's

897
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<v Speaker 1>disputed that it even is it is constructed there. Some

898
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 1>have suggested that the raw materials might be there, but

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<v Speaker 1>that it's ultimately constructed here in the United States. Yes, fentanyl, crack, cocaine,

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<v Speaker 1>and Barbara. Also, when the crack cocaine epidemic came, we

901
00:54:29.960 --> 00:54:33.800
<v Speaker 1>prosecuted not only crack dealers but crack addicts and we

902
00:54:33.880 --> 00:54:38.840
<v Speaker 1>locked them up. But on the question of fentanyl, this

903
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<v Speaker 1>is a health crisis, and the health crisis isn't locking

904
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<v Speaker 1>up people who are addicted to fentanyl. The US government

905
00:54:47.880 --> 00:54:52.159
<v Speaker 1>is trying to find them help and try to find

906
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<v Speaker 1>help for the crack babies.

907
00:54:54.119 --> 00:54:58.679
<v Speaker 4>And what about Iran Contra? Has everybody forgotten about Iran Contra?

908
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<v Speaker 1>California, Los Angeles is real familiar with free right, free way.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, I mean, come on, folks, where where what was

910
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Iran country about? It was the c i A and

911
00:55:11.639 --> 00:55:19.800
<v Speaker 4>the FBI purposefully bringing drugs, cocaine and crack into this country, uh,

912
00:55:19.960 --> 00:55:25.920
<v Speaker 4>purposefully so that they could run their side illegal operations

913
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:31.039
<v Speaker 4>the money, right, right, Come on, I mean, I mean, folks,

914
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<v Speaker 4>you know, government has to be held accountable. If you

915
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:40.559
<v Speaker 4>don't hold government accountable, then government would run amok. Uh

916
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<v Speaker 4>you know, uh, you know, ultimate absolute power corrupts this.

917
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<v Speaker 4>It is corruptive, There's no doubt about it. And uh

918
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<v Speaker 4>and this man wants to be a dictator and he

919
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<v Speaker 4>won't have absolute power. And he is uh. Sadly, as

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00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:58.559
<v Speaker 4>I keep pointing out, he is not. He is not

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<v Speaker 4>in the best mental state. And if he were competent

922
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:07.599
<v Speaker 4>and was this evil, it would be a problem. But

923
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<v Speaker 4>it's really horrendous when you have somebody who is showing

924
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:19.679
<v Speaker 4>so many signs of incompetence that you have you know this,

925
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.239
<v Speaker 4>you have this, you know, horrific threat, because then there's

926
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<v Speaker 4>no reason, no way to reason with him.

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to pick back up on that. The

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00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:33.880
<v Speaker 1>narco traffickers, Yes, because there's an entire generation of Americans

929
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<v Speaker 1>who have no appreciation of what we learned in Iran

930
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<v Speaker 1>contract and that is the role of our government in

931
00:56:42.239 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 1>cutting deals with narco traffickers to allow them to sell

932
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<v Speaker 1>drugs in the United States exactly in exchange for arms

933
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<v Speaker 1>and most of us and for those of us Barbara

934
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<v Speaker 1>who experienced and lived through that period. Yes, it's hard

935
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<v Speaker 1>for us to imagine that Narco africas that Donald Trump

936
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<v Speaker 1>is assassinating and arresting don't have a story to tell

937
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<v Speaker 1>about the work they've been doing with the US government.

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<v Speaker 4>Tell many decades, Tell me and and just you know, folks,

939
00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:20.960
<v Speaker 4>understand your congress appropriate funds too, you know, to all

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00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.119
<v Speaker 4>for all of our federal operations. And what happens is

941
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:28.000
<v Speaker 4>when they want to go off the book and they

942
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<v Speaker 4>don't want to be responded with, they don't want to

943
00:57:31.760 --> 00:57:36.719
<v Speaker 4>use congressional funds, federal funds, then they they did this

944
00:57:37.039 --> 00:57:41.400
<v Speaker 4>on narco trafficking. And where did they funnel all of

945
00:57:41.719 --> 00:57:45.119
<v Speaker 4>this cocaine and this crack cocaine and all the rest

946
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<v Speaker 4>of it. Where't they send it? Black communities? Black communities.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a dark budget. It's a black budget. It's a

948
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<v Speaker 1>budget that's over at the intelligence agencies, is off budget,

949
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<v Speaker 1>and it is unlimited. And the hole is so deep. Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't find an accounting process for the amount of

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<v Speaker 1>money they spend in this space.

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<v Speaker 4>It's all all hidden, all off. I mean, it's just

953
00:58:11.400 --> 00:58:14.360
<v Speaker 4>a mess, folks. And that's why, you know, we have

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00:58:14.480 --> 00:58:20.360
<v Speaker 4>to be cynical, uh and skeptical and questioning when we

955
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<v Speaker 4>hear all of these alleged, you know, concerns about drug dealing.

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<v Speaker 4>They're not concerned about drug dealing. I mean, you know,

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00:58:29.000 --> 00:58:32.239
<v Speaker 4>the folks, very folks who are talking about that are

958
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<v Speaker 4>slurring their words. Uh up there, you know all the

959
00:58:39.679 --> 00:58:44.480
<v Speaker 4>time because they've been using you know what, cocaine. Come on, folks,

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<v Speaker 4>don't fall for this.

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<v Speaker 1>When can we expect the Clay decision. It's the Clay

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<v Speaker 1>decisions coming down tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, I said, it's very probable. I mean

964
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<v Speaker 4>it's a good sixty percent chance or more.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes in the not too distant future, we'll be looking

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<v Speaker 1>at the decision on the voting right teck.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the Supreme Court has announced that they have an

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<v Speaker 4>opinion day for tomorrow. Remember that the State of Louisiana

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<v Speaker 4>asked for a decision by January thirteenth, and there will

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<v Speaker 4>be a decision out on January fourteenth. And remember the

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<v Speaker 4>way the court works is that they never said an

972
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<v Speaker 4>opinion day until they actually have an opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>To release Barbara. I'm just we're gonna do this and

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<v Speaker 1>just a moment, I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more Barbara Arnwine when we come

976
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<v Speaker 1>forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on TBLA Talk

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen to eighty, our very special guest in this hour

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<v Speaker 1>is our most tenacious guest, Attorney Barbara Arnwine is the

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<v Speaker 1>founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, And just before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>I did have a question for Barbara about the Louisiana

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<v Speaker 1>versus Clay decision. Barbara, before we go into a deeper

982
00:59:58.320 --> 01:00:03.480
<v Speaker 1>unpacking of the Kalaid decision and the possibility that it

983
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<v Speaker 1>will be released tomorrow, will you share with our listeners

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<v Speaker 1>what the decision is all about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's very likely, very possible it could be released tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>The court is sitting on you know, two really big cases,

987
01:00:17.239 --> 01:00:20.599
<v Speaker 4>Klay and the tariff case. Uh, and it's gonna be

988
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:23.960
<v Speaker 4>one of them for sure. Are both Uh, that's called

989
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:27.960
<v Speaker 4>the court rolls. So I just want everyone to know

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<v Speaker 4>that Louisiana versus Klay is a direct threat to African

991
01:00:31.760 --> 01:00:37.280
<v Speaker 4>American Latino Native American voting power, that it is a

992
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:43.199
<v Speaker 4>case that says basically that the creation of a black

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01:00:45.079 --> 01:00:48.960
<v Speaker 4>voting majority black voting district in response to years of

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01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:54.159
<v Speaker 4>racial discrimination and voting by the state of Louisiana, uh

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01:00:54.440 --> 01:00:57.800
<v Speaker 4>is would be that they're saying, they're arguing that it's

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01:00:57.880 --> 01:01:04.320
<v Speaker 4>unconstitutional and that it is a quote racial jerrymandering bandar.

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01:01:04.480 --> 01:01:07.199
<v Speaker 4>So wait a minute. So come on, folks. If somebody

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01:01:07.320 --> 01:01:13.920
<v Speaker 4>steals your car and you know who it is, and

999
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.199
<v Speaker 4>you know that they planned the theft, they carried out

1000
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:19.559
<v Speaker 4>the theft, what do you want. You want compensation? Right,

1001
01:01:20.119 --> 01:01:22.760
<v Speaker 4>what kind of compensation do you want? You want your car.

1002
01:01:23.360 --> 01:01:25.440
<v Speaker 4>You want the value in your car and the return

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01:01:25.519 --> 01:01:30.159
<v Speaker 4>to your car. And so when somebody steals your vote

1004
01:01:30.719 --> 01:01:35.480
<v Speaker 4>and says that you cannot elect the choice because we

1005
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.159
<v Speaker 4>have drawn the maps that only white people can be

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01:01:38.360 --> 01:01:43.920
<v Speaker 4>elected from these districts, then your remedy is to have

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01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:50.239
<v Speaker 4>a district that is constructed where blacks can possibly elect

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01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:54.119
<v Speaker 4>a candidate of their choice. And so that was the remedy,

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01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.920
<v Speaker 4>a remedy, It was a remedy for past discrimination. But

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01:01:59.280 --> 01:02:02.599
<v Speaker 4>quote non blacks, you know, fouvel lawsuits saying this is

1011
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:06.920
<v Speaker 4>unfair to us because you know we're being denied. Uh

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<v Speaker 4>you know, our right to UH to you know, be

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01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.800
<v Speaker 4>free of discrimination, because this means blacks get you know,

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01:02:13.960 --> 01:02:17.159
<v Speaker 4>certain rights, and that's unfair under the UH you know,

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01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:20.480
<v Speaker 4>under our view of the constitution. All of this nonsense.

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<v Speaker 4>So it is so important for us to understand that

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<v Speaker 4>you who do you have as Chief Justice in the

1018
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:31.360
<v Speaker 4>United States? You got John Roberts. What has John Roberts

1019
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 4>built his career on his opposition to the Voting Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 4>This is also a case where they're arguing that the

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01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:47.480
<v Speaker 4>Voting Rights Act itself created out of the shed blood

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01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:52.400
<v Speaker 4>of African Americans and whites and everybody else who marched

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01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:55.960
<v Speaker 4>for that Voting Rights Act. They're saying that that act

1024
01:02:56.039 --> 01:03:02.599
<v Speaker 4>is unconstitutional, unconstitutional. Why why, okay, everybody, get ready, why

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01:03:02.679 --> 01:03:07.800
<v Speaker 4>is it unconstitutional? They're saying it's unconstitutional because there's no

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<v Speaker 4>more racial discrimination than voting.

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<v Speaker 1>M and maybe the number one factor associated with voting

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<v Speaker 1>is race itself. That any people step into a poll

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<v Speaker 1>specifically looking for a certain kind of congressman, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>it who speaks to their issues, who looks like them,

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<v Speaker 1>who experiences the same experiences that they've experienced.

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<v Speaker 4>Parb.

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<v Speaker 1>We got a couple more questions around this Kalay decision. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>vision was the State of Louisiana said that they liked

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<v Speaker 1>the decision to be rendered by win.

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<v Speaker 4>January thirteenth, which would have been yesterday today, right today.

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<v Speaker 1>So we could be looking at a decision any moment now,

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<v Speaker 1>but certainly sometime possibly this week. If the Court has

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<v Speaker 1>a decision, well, the.

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<v Speaker 4>Court only the Court announces his opinion days. There's no

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<v Speaker 4>quote surprise opinion days. They announced them advance and they

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<v Speaker 4>have announced that the next opinion day will be tomorrow. Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>so at ten o'clock tomorrow, all eyes will be trained

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<v Speaker 4>on the court.

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<v Speaker 1>So the worst two scenario if the Court strikes down

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<v Speaker 1>Section two of the Voting Rights Act, Yes, and therefore

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<v Speaker 1>strikes down I would assume the Cleopheels Congressional District in

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<v Speaker 1>the State of Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you share with us your thoughts on the ripple

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<v Speaker 1>effect of that decision.

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<v Speaker 4>We don't have to think fair vote and black voters.

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<v Speaker 4>Matters has done an amazing report that shows that we

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<v Speaker 4>could lose as many as nineteen people of colored from

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<v Speaker 4>the Congress, especially African American congressional officials. That we could

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<v Speaker 4>lose one hundred and ninety one districts that have been

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<v Speaker 4>that are drawn that are doubinly African American, and so

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<v Speaker 4>if they go overbroad on using this, we could have

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<v Speaker 4>that immediate effect. But worse than that, every time there's

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01:05:04.360 --> 01:05:06.960
<v Speaker 4>discrimination in voting, we wouldn't be able to fight it

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<v Speaker 4>with the Voting Rights Act. People go back to nineteen

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<v Speaker 4>sixty five. Nineteen sixty five in Alabama, they're less than

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<v Speaker 4>five percent of all blacks were registered. Go back to Mississippi,

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<v Speaker 4>Go back to Louisiana, go back to Georgia, Florida, all

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<v Speaker 4>these states that South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, all these states, Kentucky, Oklahoma.

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<v Speaker 4>Just go back to all these states. Tennessee, Oh, come

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<v Speaker 4>on now, come on now, Missouri, you know, let's talk

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<v Speaker 4>about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Texas, Illinois, all of our districts are drawn pursuing to

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<v Speaker 1>the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five votes.

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<v Speaker 4>The Voting Rights Act was the most revolutionary piece of

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<v Speaker 4>voting of civil rights legislation I repaired. It did more

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01:06:01.719 --> 01:06:05.719
<v Speaker 4>to accomplish its goals than any other. Fair housing Act

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01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:09.039
<v Speaker 4>hasn't been as successful as it should be. The Civil

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01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:13.800
<v Speaker 4>Rights Act. The nineteen sixty four US had a misimpact immense,

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01:06:14.280 --> 01:06:18.239
<v Speaker 4>but nothing has been as powerful as the Voting Rights Act.

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<v Speaker 4>We went from at the time, I believe, help me

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01:06:21.679 --> 01:06:23.880
<v Speaker 4>get this right. At the time it was passed, we

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01:06:23.920 --> 01:06:28.639
<v Speaker 4>had like seven blacks in Congress to over sixty now,

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<v Speaker 4>so you know, and and I'm clear when I say blacks,

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<v Speaker 4>I mean you know, I'm counting the skin color. I

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01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:38.599
<v Speaker 4>ain't talking about some of this mentality that some of

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01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:45.119
<v Speaker 4>these folks have, but it's very telling that people hate

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01:06:45.159 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 4>black progress. Let's be honest. There's a lot of white supremacists.

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<v Speaker 4>Have you guys been seeing what Elon Musk, this man

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01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:57.280
<v Speaker 4>they allowed, this mass murderer that they allowed to to

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01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.880
<v Speaker 4>run doge this race. Have you been seeing what he's

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01:07:01.920 --> 01:07:02.639
<v Speaker 4>been posting?

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<v Speaker 1>Barbara, just plic just go ahead. I'm sorry, just before

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<v Speaker 1>we go to Elon Musk and hiss twitter posts, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>wondering if, given what black voters matter, that said in

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<v Speaker 1>their report, yes, any tampering with Section two of the

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<v Speaker 1>Voting Rights Act, we give Pam Bondy, the DOJ, the

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<v Speaker 1>only authority to bring action in states to immediately change

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01:07:27.400 --> 01:07:28.119
<v Speaker 1>their maps.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know what she's gonna do. She's already shown

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01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:36.920
<v Speaker 4>us the whole Texas. Uh, you know, redrawing their maps

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<v Speaker 4>in which they wiped out you know, black political seats,

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<v Speaker 4>all of this and you know threatening you know, Latino seats.

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<v Speaker 4>All of this was done because Pam Bondi demanded it

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<v Speaker 4>be done.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that mean Barbara then that essentially this could be

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<v Speaker 1>an all deliberate speed case, therefore throwing the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six election into a quandary.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, and I also and that's what they want.

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01:08:06.079 --> 01:08:08.039
<v Speaker 4>You know, they want to destroy the twenty twenty six

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01:08:08.119 --> 01:08:11.239
<v Speaker 4>election because they know they're going to lose it, especially

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01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.320
<v Speaker 4>when it comes to the House of Representatives, so they

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01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:17.880
<v Speaker 4>want to do everything they can to steal seats, blocked voters. Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, it's it's a major thing in my opinion,

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01:08:22.439 --> 01:08:27.000
<v Speaker 4>no matter what comes out tomorrow, if it lessens the

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01:08:27.039 --> 01:08:31.359
<v Speaker 4>protections of the Voting Rights Act, that's a loss. I

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01:08:31.399 --> 01:08:35.800
<v Speaker 4>don't care. You know, anything that that is passed to

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01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:39.520
<v Speaker 4>make the Voting Rights Act weaker is a loss for us.

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<v Speaker 4>And we got to understand that. And we got to

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01:08:42.359 --> 01:08:45.079
<v Speaker 4>understand that the answer to that is that you don't

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01:08:45.119 --> 01:08:48.920
<v Speaker 4>just sit back and say, oh, well, you know, we

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01:08:49.079 --> 01:08:51.479
<v Speaker 4>need you to stand up and find.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson, and we come forward on fifty. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>Jesse Jacksonjr. Welcome for or to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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01:09:01.600 --> 01:09:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Barbara Arnwine is always on our program breaking news. We

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01:09:04.760 --> 01:09:09.760
<v Speaker 1>could lose nine nineteen blacks in Congress. Nineteen blacks in

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<v Speaker 1>Congress by the end of twenty twenty six. That's a lot.

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01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:16.800
<v Speaker 1>I got a clip that I'd like to go to

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01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.680
<v Speaker 1>on the unraveling of Mega lay the clip.

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<v Speaker 5>Donald Trump's party has lost control of the House of Representatives,

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01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:27.520
<v Speaker 5>effectively multiple discharge petitions there now moving bills without the

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01:09:27.560 --> 01:09:31.159
<v Speaker 5>Republican Party's permission, despite the fact that they nominally control

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01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:34.840
<v Speaker 5>the House. The Heritage Foundation, which brought us Project twenty

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01:09:34.840 --> 01:09:39.319
<v Speaker 5>twenty five. Heritage Foundation, is now imploding, with senior staffers

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01:09:39.319 --> 01:09:42.720
<v Speaker 5>from every department fleeing that far right organization in disgust.

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01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:47.000
<v Speaker 5>The Turning Point USA Conservative Movement Conference that was held

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<v Speaker 5>this weekend was highlighted by the most famous people who

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01:09:50.159 --> 01:09:53.319
<v Speaker 5>spoke at that conference, all screaming insults and accusations at

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01:09:53.359 --> 01:09:55.479
<v Speaker 5>each other and pledging to be one another's mortal enemy.

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01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:57.000
<v Speaker 3>Couldn't happen to a nicer group.

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01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:02.239
<v Speaker 5>The President's two most high profile and ambitious allies in Congress,

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01:10:02.560 --> 01:10:05.840
<v Speaker 5>Marjorie Taylor Green and Alice Stephonic are now both leaving

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01:10:05.880 --> 01:10:08.119
<v Speaker 5>Congress and, in Stephanic's case, quitting her run for New

1140
01:10:08.199 --> 01:10:11.000
<v Speaker 5>York governor, both of them apparently storming out of the

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01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:16.239
<v Speaker 5>MAGA movement in disgust. And thousands of people are marching

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<v Speaker 5>against Trump in ten degree weather in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, is unraveling, Yes, in a way. Yes. You know

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01:10:28.319 --> 01:10:33.760
<v Speaker 4>what's interesting. They're having a lot of personality disputes, right,

1145
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.800
<v Speaker 4>and they're having disputes over some policy having to do

1146
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:42.119
<v Speaker 4>with Israel. But let's not think that they're not in

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01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:46.039
<v Speaker 4>agreement on destroying the Voting Rights Act. Let's don't for

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01:10:46.119 --> 01:10:49.319
<v Speaker 4>a minute think that they're not an agreement all white supremacy.

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01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:52.319
<v Speaker 4>That's not, for a minute think that they're not in

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01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:57.520
<v Speaker 4>agreement on making sure that people who are poor are

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01:10:57.560 --> 01:11:01.439
<v Speaker 4>not receiving help in assistance. Not think for a minute

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01:11:01.720 --> 01:11:06.079
<v Speaker 4>that somehow they're not in agreement with some of these attacks,

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01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:10.000
<v Speaker 4>these you know, this bombing of these other nations. Folks.

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<v Speaker 4>You know MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green still holds to most

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01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:18.439
<v Speaker 4>of her MAGA philosophies. You know, let's be very clear.

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01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:24.760
<v Speaker 4>It's not that they somehow have demagnetized magnetized they have. Instead,

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01:11:25.199 --> 01:11:31.880
<v Speaker 4>they're they're disputing priorities and they're disputing personalities. They're disputing

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01:11:32.000 --> 01:11:36.439
<v Speaker 4>you know, power. They're fighting over twenty twenty eight. You know, folks,

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01:11:36.520 --> 01:11:39.920
<v Speaker 4>everything you're watching, the destruction of Tim Walts, all this

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01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:43.880
<v Speaker 4>stuff is over twenty twenty eight. Don't get confused that

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01:11:43.960 --> 01:11:47.319
<v Speaker 4>they're already at war, you know, trying to figure out

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01:11:47.359 --> 01:11:49.840
<v Speaker 4>who's going to be in what positions of power for

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01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.640
<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty eight, because they're assuming that despite all of

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01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.039
<v Speaker 4>Trump's nonsense talk that he cannot run for a third term.

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01:11:59.439 --> 01:12:02.720
<v Speaker 4>It's about power and and who's you know, who's in

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01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.000
<v Speaker 4>what you know, position of power?

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01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Barbara, could we expect with a Kalay decision in light

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01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:12.359
<v Speaker 1>of your analysis of the unraveling of MEGA and the

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01:12:12.399 --> 01:12:15.680
<v Speaker 1>things that they are in agreement on getting Rights Act,

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01:12:15.840 --> 01:12:17.680
<v Speaker 1>getting rid of the Civil Rights Act?

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<v Speaker 4>You are basically with each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Can uh? Is there any doubt that Pam Bondi is

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01:12:24.279 --> 01:12:27.640
<v Speaker 1>going to look at blue states, blue cities and see

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01:12:27.680 --> 01:12:29.960
<v Speaker 1>the ways in which she can redraw entire states.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, remember they start with Texas, that's a red state.

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01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:40.039
<v Speaker 4>So they listen. They want absolute power, absolute political dominance.

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01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:44.119
<v Speaker 4>They don't believe in power sharing, period. So anything they

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01:12:44.159 --> 01:12:46.600
<v Speaker 4>can do anywhere they can do it, they're going to

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01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:48.520
<v Speaker 4>do it. They're going to go after blue states, but

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01:12:48.560 --> 01:12:51.119
<v Speaker 4>they're going to go after districts like they did in

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01:12:51.640 --> 01:12:55.720
<v Speaker 4>Missouri that are held by Democrats. They're going to go

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01:12:55.960 --> 01:12:59.680
<v Speaker 4>up against you know, Latinos. They're gonna you know. And

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<v Speaker 4>one thing I had missed about the whole maps is

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01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:07.840
<v Speaker 4>that your brother Jonathan educated me about in Texas is

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01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:12.079
<v Speaker 4>that they destroyed the white district that they consider too progressive,

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01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:17.359
<v Speaker 4>and they threw out what's Lloyd uh Duncan.

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01:13:17.079 --> 01:13:18.680
<v Speaker 1>And Lloyd Doggett.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, Lloyd Doggett. They redrew his district so that he

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01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:24.479
<v Speaker 4>can't win.

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<v Speaker 5>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>So, I just want people to understand that they they

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01:13:28.319 --> 01:13:33.680
<v Speaker 4>don't care. This is all about raw political dominance. They

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01:13:33.840 --> 01:13:37.479
<v Speaker 4>don't want a Congress that can hold this man accountable.

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01:13:37.800 --> 01:13:40.640
<v Speaker 4>They want this man to be uh, you know, given

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01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:44.600
<v Speaker 4>free reign so that the next person who comes in,

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01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.439
<v Speaker 4>Uh can you know, can uh you know benefit from

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01:13:48.439 --> 01:13:52.319
<v Speaker 4>that voter suppression? And can you continue to do all

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01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:53.560
<v Speaker 4>these evil policies?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you share with us how we may support the

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01:13:57.680 --> 01:14:00.479
<v Speaker 1>Transformative Justice Coalition and your work.

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01:14:01.000 --> 01:14:06.159
<v Speaker 4>Yes, please support us. We do this work. We can't

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01:14:06.159 --> 01:14:09.199
<v Speaker 4>do it without public support. We're blessed that people give

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01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:13.760
<v Speaker 4>money to tjc UH to do this work because we're

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01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.600
<v Speaker 4>in all these states helping to make sure that political

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01:14:17.640 --> 01:14:22.560
<v Speaker 4>power is achieved regard without racial discrimination. And so you

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01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:27.479
<v Speaker 4>can help reach us at TJ Coalition dot org. G

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01:14:28.159 --> 01:14:33.680
<v Speaker 4>t J Coalition dot org. UH that's who we are.

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<v Speaker 4>We are. It's a very simple and easy donation process.

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01:14:38.640 --> 01:14:40.399
<v Speaker 4>So you can go there and it's going to ask

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01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.000
<v Speaker 4>you if you want to donate, So please go to

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01:14:43.159 --> 01:14:47.119
<v Speaker 4>TJ Coalition dot org. Help this us to do this

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01:14:47.439 --> 01:14:48.920
<v Speaker 4>vital critical work.

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<v Speaker 1>Why were you were trying to make another point just

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<v Speaker 1>before before that?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I just have to give a shout out to

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01:14:56.119 --> 01:15:01.760
<v Speaker 4>the family of Keith Porter. You know, every I you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so upset like everyone about the outrageous, racist, misogynistic,

1218
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:16.439
<v Speaker 4>homophobic killing of Miss Renee Nicole Good. But I'm also

1219
01:15:16.800 --> 01:15:19.840
<v Speaker 4>concerned about the fact that nobody's talking about our brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Pete Porter.

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<v Speaker 4>Pete Porter was killed right as the we were going

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<v Speaker 4>into the New year UH in Los Angeles, out in

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01:15:31.199 --> 01:15:36.880
<v Speaker 4>North ridge folks. Uh, and was slain by an off

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01:15:37.079 --> 01:15:42.760
<v Speaker 4>duty was something. And what he was doing is with

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<v Speaker 4>my dad and all my uncles always did on New

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01:15:47.119 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 4>Year's Eve. My mom would be fussing, but they would

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01:15:50.119 --> 01:15:53.199
<v Speaker 4>do it anyway. They would go outside and they would

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01:15:53.239 --> 01:15:56.760
<v Speaker 4>shoot their guns into the air to salute the new year.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of black folks still do it. They do

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<v Speaker 4>it in my neighbor here here, good here in Maryland

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<v Speaker 4>they do it. And I'm like, oh lord, but we

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01:16:04.399 --> 01:16:06.920
<v Speaker 4>do it. That's the way we've done it. That's a

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01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:09.680
<v Speaker 4>way of celebrating the New Year. And that's all he

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01:16:09.720 --> 01:16:13.319
<v Speaker 4>was doing. And this guy got pissed off that this

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01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.079
<v Speaker 4>black man had the nerve to have a gun and

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<v Speaker 4>to him, Uh, shot it into the air and confronted

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01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:25.159
<v Speaker 4>him and shot him dead for no reason, no good reason,

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01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:29.399
<v Speaker 4>no threat, no self defense, just mad, you know about

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01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.399
<v Speaker 4>a black man with a gun. So I just, you know,

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01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:36.239
<v Speaker 4>want his family to know that we will lift up

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01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:40.079
<v Speaker 4>his voice, that we're going to make sure everybody knows

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<v Speaker 4>that Keith Porter also was killed and that he his

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01:16:44.199 --> 01:16:47.720
<v Speaker 4>death has not gotten the national attention it deserves. So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm here to argue on his behalf today.

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<v Speaker 1>What about a minute and seconds for your word of hope.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, January twentieth, I need you in those streets January twenty,

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01:17:02.119 --> 01:17:05.960
<v Speaker 4>walk out on fascist January twenty. It say to this administration,

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<v Speaker 4>no no, no, no no and uh and I know

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<v Speaker 4>you were laughing with you read it was the no no, no,

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<v Speaker 4>no no they got me at and you read. Of course,

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01:17:21.560 --> 01:17:25.359
<v Speaker 4>the other day somebody's analysis on the whole Trump administration

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01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:32.600
<v Speaker 4>was they need to stop. Stop. So I'm gonna keep

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<v Speaker 4>bringing my great analysis.

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<v Speaker 1>Right Barbara, I'm so proud of you. Please support Barbara

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<v Speaker 1>at the TJC Coalition dot org. TJC Coalition dot org,

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<v Speaker 1>and also continue your support of KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>We welcome all gifts, all grants, all opportunities to keep

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<v Speaker 1>free and independent voices right here with KBLA. I'm Jesse

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson your show

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<v Speaker 1>on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. We've had a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>time in this hour with Barbara and mine. Barbara, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>see you next Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll see you then and we'll be talking clearly about Klay.

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<v Speaker 4>And also congratulations to your brother and all the members

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<v Speaker 4>of Congress who are on their way to Minneapolis for

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<v Speaker 4>that fill hearing on Friday.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jesse Jackson Juior more on KBLA. When'll we come

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<v Speaker 1>forward