Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior looking forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty are breaking news are
Speaker 1: the fissures, the fractions that are taking place in the
Speaker 1: Republican MAGA coalition, both in the House of Representatives and
Speaker 1: the United States Senate House of Representatives is releasing a
Speaker 1: number of discharge petitions. That is, when Democrats and Republicans
Speaker 1: come together, they can bypass the normal processes for moving
Speaker 1: legislation forward in the House of Representatives. I suspect and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it with our very special guest host
Speaker 1: host us in this hour that these Republicans have returned
Speaker 1: to Washington from a three week break a location, They've
Speaker 1: heard from their constituents, their premiums are going up in healthcare,
Speaker 1: and they are generally miserable and disappointed in the behavior
Speaker 1: of the Congress of the United States. Our very special
Speaker 1: guest in this hour is none other than Liz King.
Speaker 1: Liz served as the Senior Director of Education Equity Program
Speaker 1: at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, where
Speaker 1: she worked for over a decade, leading efforts to advance
Speaker 1: educational equity and advocate for policies that ensure every child
Speaker 1: has access to high quality education. Prior to her work
Speaker 1: at the Leadership Conference, she served as Senior Policy Associate
Speaker 1: for Education at the Children's Defense Fund, focusing on policy
Speaker 1: initiatives aimed at improving educational outcomes for underserved children. Liz,
Speaker 1: welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Is always so much, so great to
Speaker 2: be here, great to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so honored that you hear Liz. Liz, I'm my
Speaker 1: one point about the idea that these Republicans went home
Speaker 1: for a fairly extended break and they heard from their constituents,
Speaker 1: and their constituents do not like what they're seeing going
Speaker 1: into the midterms.
Speaker 2: I think absolutely what we're seeing here is the result
Speaker 2: of building your house on sand. And this is a
Speaker 2: movement that was built on the sand of prejudice and
Speaker 2: division and hatred. And not only does that corrode the personality,
Speaker 2: not only is that dangerous and damaging for the soul,
Speaker 2: but it does not pay the bills. So what we're
Speaker 2: seeing right here is exactly what Dubois told us. We
Speaker 2: are seeing the effects of this the fallacy of the
Speaker 2: wages of whiteness, and we are seeing that there is
Speaker 2: no amount of horror that you have brought to the
Speaker 2: lives of our immigrant neighbors, or fear that can be
Speaker 2: put in the lives of our trans neighbors, that will
Speaker 2: make groceries any less expensive, that will help people pay
Speaker 2: the rent, or that will help people pay for their
Speaker 2: health care. And so what I'm hoping, what I believe
Speaker 2: we're seeing is elected officials or being reminded that they
Speaker 2: need to be elected by constituents, and those constituents live
Speaker 2: in a world in which they have needs that deserve
Speaker 2: to be met, and these everyone deserves access to health care,
Speaker 2: and they have been trying to take health care away,
Speaker 2: They've been trying to make health care more expensive, and
Speaker 2: their constituents are saying, hey, look, we're tired of this.
Speaker 2: We want to be able to pay for health care.
Speaker 2: We want to make sure that our fansli taken care of.
Speaker 2: And I hope that we see within the MAGA movement
Speaker 2: this recognition that we're all going to have to come
Speaker 2: together and solve these problems that are facing everybody, because
Speaker 2: no matter your politics, you need to be able to
Speaker 2: go to the doctor. No matter your politics, you need
Speaker 2: to be able to take care of your elderly relatives
Speaker 2: and of your baby, Liz.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm finding in the three minutes that we
Speaker 1: have remaining in this segment before we come forward, that
Speaker 1: the politics of the economy are immensely local. That the
Speaker 1: Democratic talking points are obviously about inflation, about unemployment, about
Speaker 1: national memory. I hear candidates all across the country talking
Speaker 1: about the national politics, but in a real sense, these
Speaker 1: members of Congress came back to Washington and they heard
Speaker 1: from their constituents locally about eggs, about bacon, about grits,
Speaker 1: about Chitlin's, about cornbread, about the myriad of things that
Speaker 1: confront them. Am I right in suggesting that Democrats have
Speaker 1: to translate these messages into local politics so that they
Speaker 1: can be understood by the people.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, all politics is now and will always
Speaker 2: be local. I mean that is the way that people
Speaker 2: live and experience the world is what the prices are
Speaker 2: at their grocery store, you know. And we're seeing this
Speaker 2: with the president, right He keeps trying to tell people
Speaker 2: prices are coming down, but they know that that is
Speaker 2: not consistent with the reality they're experiencing. And so we're
Speaker 2: watching him lie again and again and again, And I
Speaker 2: think it's becoming clearer how much of what he says
Speaker 2: is a great, big lie. Absolutely, it's about keeping things local.
Speaker 2: It's about reminding us one another that we are living
Speaker 2: in communities together with one another, and that and that
Speaker 2: we all deserve the same kind of things, and the
Speaker 2: way that looks in every community is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Does anyone actually believe Donald Trump goes grocery jobbing hell
Speaker 1: the carton of eggs or bacon, I mean, a man
Speaker 1: who thinks that he has a goldfinger or the gold touch.
Speaker 1: Does anyone who actually stands in the bullied pulpit of
Speaker 1: the residency of the United States, And here's Donald Trump
Speaker 1: talk about the quality and cost of living as being
Speaker 1: better under his administration than any president in the history
Speaker 1: of the United States. This, from your perspective, is that
Speaker 1: even believable?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, of course not, of course not. I mean this
Speaker 2: is an individual who doesn't know anything about the realities
Speaker 2: of everyday life. I mean, he doesn't know anything about
Speaker 2: what it is to help your third grader who's struggling
Speaker 2: to learn how to read, or help your eleventh grader
Speaker 2: who's figuring out whether or not they're going to get
Speaker 2: to go to college. He doesn't know anything about trying
Speaker 2: to make ends meet. He doesn't know anything about when
Speaker 2: there's more month than money. And I think that that
Speaker 2: is just becoming clearer and clearer all the time. People
Speaker 2: have been sold a false bill of goods, and you know,
Speaker 2: it's falling apart. This is a house built on sand.
Speaker 2: There's no there there. And I really hope what we
Speaker 2: see is people turning away and turning together, coming together
Speaker 2: in a movement that means true economic justice and shared
Speaker 2: prosperity for all of us. Absolutely, I hope that's where
Speaker 2: we're going in every community across the whole country.
Speaker 1: I think you knocked it out of the park. More
Speaker 1: month than money. I think the American people clearly understand
Speaker 1: more month than money more When we come forward on
Speaker 1: the misery index that the American people are experiencing under
Speaker 1: the MAGA movement and under the leadership of President Donald
Speaker 1: John Trump, I'm Jesse Jackson, jor Ore. A very special
Speaker 1: guest today is Liz King Moore on KBLA Talk fifteen
Speaker 1: to eighty. When we come forward, Jesse for Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior Show, KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Our very special guest
Speaker 1: in this hour is none other than the incomparable Liz King. Liz,
Speaker 1: welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks Congressman, always so much fun to be in conversation
Speaker 2: with you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Would get a chance to see the bed chairman's presser.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I saw some of his statements earlier, but I didn't
Speaker 2: see the most recent presser. Now can you tell.
Speaker 1: Us more about it? Just this most recent press conference
Speaker 1: seemed to suggest that the president Department of Justice probe
Speaker 1: is really not about any malfeasans in office or fraud,
Speaker 1: but that the President of the United States is pushing
Speaker 1: back on and pressuring the Federal Reserve Board to follow
Speaker 1: his directions on interest rates without taking into consideration any
Speaker 1: of the economic indicators that the FED usually weighs in
Speaker 1: making determinations or such for such judgments. I'm wondering, Liz,
Speaker 1: you know what your thoughts are about the president, about
Speaker 1: the White House, the President's power to interfere with the FED,
Speaker 1: which is normally an organization that has a its isolated
Speaker 1: if you will insulate it from presidential interference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing this weaponized prosecution and the weaponized use
Speaker 2: of DOJ all over the place, right, I mean, what
Speaker 2: is surprising here is this is a very wealthy white
Speaker 2: man and that is not the usual target of this
Speaker 2: discriminatory prosecution that comes out of this Department of Justice usually, Right,
Speaker 2: it is black women who have the courage and good
Speaker 2: sense to stand up to the president, but certainly, I
Speaker 2: mean they The irony here is we are looking at
Speaker 2: a president seek to respond to very reasonable concern among
Speaker 2: the general public that the economy is not serving their interest.
Speaker 2: Now you talked about the misery index, and I think
Speaker 2: it's a good opportunity for us to think about what
Speaker 2: are those economic measures that really do matter to people?
Speaker 2: And so I mean, obviously this is terrifying to see
Speaker 2: the idea of the president having even greater reach into
Speaker 2: the economy, that reach, which he has said so far
Speaker 2: has only had a disastrous consequence, and so sort of
Speaker 2: further influence on his part would only be worse for
Speaker 2: regular people. But it's an opportunity for us to think
Speaker 2: about what does our economy mean, what do our values
Speaker 2: mean in our economy? And what should what should people
Speaker 2: be able to expect and deserve within our economy.
Speaker 1: The misery index is an economic indicator that measures the
Speaker 1: level of economic distress in a country by combining the
Speaker 1: unemployment rate the annual rate of inflation. Developed by economist
Speaker 1: Arthur o'coon in the nineteen seventies, higher index score indicates
Speaker 1: greater economic hardship for the average citizen. The index gained
Speaker 1: prominence during the periods of stagflation or high inflation and
Speaker 1: high unemployment, and has been used in political campaigns to
Speaker 1: evaluate economic performance. Is it likely that we're going to
Speaker 1: hear more in this campaign about the idea that people
Speaker 1: are more miserable than they were four years ago? And
Speaker 1: the reason I say that is this cost. I believe
Speaker 1: a candidate against Ronald Reagan in the eighties and election, well,
Speaker 1: are you better off now than you were four years ago?
Speaker 1: Are we better off now twelve months with Donald Trump
Speaker 1: than we were just thirteen months ago?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the world is a much harder
Speaker 2: place for everybody by every measure. And I think this
Speaker 2: is an important reminder, you know, to the degree that
Speaker 2: the lass of the Mega movement is that politicians have
Speaker 2: been insufficiently responsive to economic concern, economic anxiety, and the
Speaker 2: very real way in which our economy is not working
Speaker 2: for so many people in so many communities. This is
Speaker 2: a wake up call. There should be a wake up
Speaker 2: call to everyone. I think the New York mayor's race
Speaker 2: is a really, really good reminder that there are economic
Speaker 2: ideas out there that would create a more livable society
Speaker 2: for all of us. And it is those ideas that
Speaker 2: should be coming forward. It is those ideas that should
Speaker 2: be brought to bear. But I think anybody who fell
Speaker 2: for the lie that you know, Donald Trump said, hey,
Speaker 2: look I'm going to start more wars. I'm going to
Speaker 2: make life harder for your neighbor, but it's okay because
Speaker 2: your bills will go down. That that has been shown
Speaker 2: for the lie that it truly is. The bills are
Speaker 2: going up. Life is getting harder, and this is not
Speaker 2: the way we should be living as Americans.
Speaker 1: This we have a clip that I'd like to play,
Speaker 1: and I'd like your response and your thoughts on.
Speaker 5: Speaking of suing the Trump and administration, the city of
Speaker 5: Chicago and the state of Illinois, and the state of Minnesota,
Speaker 5: and the cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis have all
Speaker 5: brought major lawsuits tonight against the Trump administration to try
Speaker 5: to stop the attack by Trump's federal agents on those
Speaker 5: states and those cities. Trump's attack on Minneapolis in particular
Speaker 5: has been absolutely chaotic and bizarre and totally incoherent, even
Speaker 5: more so in the wake of the killing of Renee
Speaker 5: Nicole Good last week by an ICE officer who last
Speaker 5: week shot her three times through her windshield and her
Speaker 5: open driver side window.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been nuts in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: In this one Minneapolis home, these totally out of control,
Speaker 5: heavily armed officers broke down the door and rammed their
Speaker 5: way inside as the homeowner demanded to see a warrant
Speaker 5: allowing them to enter.
Speaker 3: The Associated Press reporting.
Speaker 5: Tonight that those agents didn't have a warrant from a
Speaker 5: judge authorizing their forced entry into a private residence, but
Speaker 5: they just did it anyway, into a home with kids inside,
Speaker 5: apparently completely disregarding any applicable law.
Speaker 3: This was today in Minneapolis as well.
Speaker 5: A man named Christian Molina, US citizen, was driving south
Speaker 5: on thirty sixth Street in South Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: He says he inadvertently.
Speaker 5: Made eye contact with an ICE officer who was lurking
Speaker 5: in an alley watching cars go by. The ICE agent
Speaker 5: then chased him and literally rammed his car into mister
Speaker 5: Molina rammed his car into mister Molina's vehicle, into the
Speaker 5: rear driver's side of his car, and then demanded that
Speaker 5: mister Molina show his papers.
Speaker 3: Mister Molina is.
Speaker 5: A US citizen, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune tonight quote.
Speaker 5: As agents confronted Christian Molina, dozens of community members came
Speaker 5: outside to disrupt them.
Speaker 3: The people who responded to that.
Speaker 5: Scene included a Minneapolis City council member who told the
Speaker 5: paper that after mister Molina told the agents he knew
Speaker 5: his rights and that this was an illegal stop and
Speaker 5: he didn't need to show them anything. And after all
Speaker 5: those people poured into the street to support this guy,
Speaker 5: the agents, I kid you not, what did they do?
Speaker 5: They set off two tear gas canisters in the street
Speaker 5: and then ran away. That was their contribution to public
Speaker 5: order and safety in South Minneapolis today. Here's another standoff
Speaker 5: from this weekend. A woman in Minneapolis ordered door dash
Speaker 5: and ice apparently chased the woman doing the delivery for DoorDash,
Speaker 5: chased her into the customer's home where she was dropping
Speaker 5: off the food because she works for DoorDash. The homeowner,
Speaker 5: in a fit of righteous rage, absolutely stood her ground
Speaker 5: and told Ice that they were not coming into her
Speaker 5: home to get this woman, that they needed a warrant
Speaker 5: to do it, and if they didn't have that warrant,
Speaker 5: she was not letting them in. And she called the
Speaker 5: cops on them, and she called her neighbors, and her
Speaker 5: neighbors came out, and everybody was standing there blowing whistles
Speaker 5: and yelped.
Speaker 1: Liz, It's clear that the federal agents who ripped, who
Speaker 1: are represented by the Customs Enforcement Agency, have not been
Speaker 1: taught how to mirandize people, have ignored the Constitution of
Speaker 1: the United States. They are not reading people their rights.
Speaker 1: They are a gang in just about every municipality in
Speaker 1: the nation terrorizing people. Liz. Your initial thoughts, Liz, I
Speaker 1: think you have to unmute yourself, Liz, We've.
Speaker 2: Gotten this far without that from no. Two things I
Speaker 2: want to just uplift from this that are the good
Speaker 2: part of this right two things. One thing I heard
Speaker 2: in that clip is how many people in Minneapolis know
Speaker 2: their rights. They know what the Constitution says, and we
Speaker 2: know throughout the course of American history. It is that knowledge.
Speaker 2: It is that power of the Constitution in people's hands
Speaker 2: that has enabled them to push back, and then I
Speaker 2: think the other big piece here is the power of coalition.
Speaker 2: It is the interracial coalition that is refusing to obey
Speaker 2: that is causing, that is prompting this reaction. Is this frustration,
Speaker 2: this recognition of how transformatively powerful coalition is. But it
Speaker 2: is absolutely terrifying to watch this, to know that children
Speaker 2: are seeing this, to see this idea that a neighbor
Speaker 2: has to choose what is the safest course of action,
Speaker 2: whether to exercise their rights or not. And you know,
Speaker 2: you know, I like to take it back to the
Speaker 2: history and just going back to the Illinois and the
Speaker 2: Minnesota lawsuits. What that makes me think of is the
Speaker 2: reaction to the Fugitive Slave Act. Right, The Fugitive Slave
Speaker 2: Act was an example where states had decided they were
Speaker 2: going to respect the human dignity and the constitutional rights
Speaker 2: of their residence. They were going to outlaw slavery. And
Speaker 2: you had Southern states had a national federal law that
Speaker 2: sought to apply the requirement of enslaving to those those
Speaker 2: free states. And it was that that precipitated the Civil War.
Speaker 2: And I really hope that's not where we're going. And
Speaker 2: I don't think that's where we need to go. But
Speaker 2: we are being reminded that there are a few instances
Speaker 2: in American history where states have shown up and said
Speaker 2: no to the federal government and yes to the constitutional
Speaker 2: rights and human dignity of their people. And I am
Speaker 2: so proud of Illinois and Minnesota for what they're doing
Speaker 2: and the way that they're showing up.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Liz, do you think and I know
Speaker 1: we have just about five minutes before we come forward
Speaker 1: for our larger break, I'm wondering if MAGA understands that
Speaker 1: in the midterm elections they are going to have to
Speaker 1: own the behavior of ICE in municipalities and in rural
Speaker 1: areas across our country. Do you think they understand that?
Speaker 2: Look, I would say, Congressman, this brings us back to
Speaker 2: the conversation we were having a while ago about the
Speaker 2: chief of staff at the White House. I think we're
Speaker 2: going to see more and more of them abdicate responsibility.
Speaker 2: They are going to do what has always happened when
Speaker 2: you have these oppressive regimes. Individual people will try and
Speaker 2: wash their hands of it. They'll try and say, oh,
Speaker 2: I didn't know. They'll try and say, oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: have anything to do with that. Or in the case
Speaker 2: of the White House Chief of Staff, they'll say, well,
Speaker 2: I had advised against that. I think we are going
Speaker 2: to see they're increasingly there is a realization they are
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of history. They will be held accountable.
Speaker 2: Not only will they be held accountable at the gates
Speaker 2: with Saint Peter, but they will be held accountable in
Speaker 2: their own lifetime for the actions that they are involved in.
Speaker 2: And I think for those who voted for this president,
Speaker 2: whatever their motivation, there is a chance in the midterms,
Speaker 2: we've all got to get out there. We've all got
Speaker 2: to shut this down. We've got to end this MAGA movement.
Speaker 2: We've got to reclaim our dignity, our values as Americans,
Speaker 2: our unity, and our civilization because that is what is
Speaker 2: being taken from us by these thugs.
Speaker 1: At some point in time, Liz, I want to shift
Speaker 1: to the international space because I think that the United
Speaker 1: States is losing significant ground in terms of its international
Speaker 1: cooperation with governments around the world. The President has now
Speaker 1: shifted his attention to Greenland, clearly isolating Europe and threatening
Speaker 1: the NATO alliance. Your initial thoughts on the possible unraveling
Speaker 1: of NATO led by the Maga movement.
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, exporting this thuggery is terrible and what
Speaker 2: I hope we are going to see. You know, what
Speaker 2: this keeps making me think of is the way in
Speaker 2: which black leaders have historically appealed to the United Nations
Speaker 2: to intervene when the United States, the federal government or
Speaker 2: state governments were acting against the human rights of people
Speaker 2: in the United States. Now what we're seeing is an
Speaker 2: effort to export this thuggery to other countries. I think
Speaker 2: the idea nobody, the idea that anyone would walk away
Speaker 2: from the history of the twentieth century and think that
Speaker 2: war is a good idea and we should do more
Speaker 2: of that. I mean, it is the United Nations. You know.
Speaker 2: The beginning we saw of this was the dismantling of USAID,
Speaker 2: the dismantling of the United States role as a moral
Speaker 2: leader in helping to meet the needs of people in
Speaker 2: countries who are facing the most challenging situations a human
Speaker 2: being can ever be in. And that is a self
Speaker 2: interested move by the United States to prevent starvation and
Speaker 2: to ensure that people's human needs are being met, as
Speaker 2: well as a moral responsibility. I mean, this nuggery we're
Speaker 2: seeing on the global stage. It's embarrassing and it is dangerous,
Speaker 2: and it is going to make the world and the
Speaker 2: country less safe for all of us.
Speaker 1: I heard one of the most outrageous press conferences I
Speaker 1: ever heard this week as well, when Stephen Miller exited
Speaker 1: the White House and essentially said that might makes right
Speaker 1: and that the United States is under an obligation in
Speaker 1: this space to exercise its mighty, full military power to
Speaker 1: enforce its will on governments in our hemisphere and around
Speaker 1: the world. Obviously, that is deeply that is deeply troubling,
Speaker 1: and there is there is a day of reckoning that
Speaker 1: is coming to the United States for this behavior.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Stephen Miller Laban's realm agenda is terrifying. And
Speaker 2: this is not where this is. We as a world
Speaker 2: are moving towards democracy, We're moving towards inclusion, We're moving
Speaker 2: towards peace and away from war and away from thuggishness.
Speaker 2: And I think what we're seeing here is a reaction
Speaker 2: to that. We're seeing Stephen Miller is trying to make
Speaker 2: global conquest great again. And that is not the story
Speaker 2: that we know. That is not the story that we tell.
Speaker 2: Their heroes are the villains, and I think that's what
Speaker 2: is being most important here for us to remember. They
Speaker 2: are idolizing the wrong people. They are celebrating the wrong values.
Speaker 2: We need American values of peace, equality and equal opportunity,
Speaker 2: and that is not what this agenda is about.
Speaker 1: I am more confident than ever that if Democrats and
Speaker 1: progressives are not listening to our leadership at this hour,
Speaker 1: we're going to have some profound problems. Because the opportunity
Speaker 1: is ours. We're going to have to have stopgap measures,
Speaker 1: literally take control of the House of Representatives in the
Speaker 1: midterms in order to stop the President of the United States.
Speaker 1: He already says, you're going to impeach me. They're going
Speaker 1: to impeach me. Yeah, we're going to impeach him. I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Other than Liz King on KBLA. I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Our a very special guest in this hour is none
Speaker 1: other than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Always good to be here.
Speaker 1: Liz. Please forgive me for that brief technical difficulty. Liz,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to this issue of the
Speaker 1: unraveling of MAGA. Is there anything that Trump can do
Speaker 1: surprisingly to keep the MAGA coalition together at this hour?
Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. I think that this
Speaker 2: group of people has stuck together and stuck by him
Speaker 2: despite all They've paid for it for a long time,
Speaker 2: and so I'm not sure what will happen. But what
Speaker 2: I do know is that the underlying you know, the
Speaker 2: house of sand on which this house has built, these
Speaker 2: underlying values are wildly unpopular, and that the overwhelming majority
Speaker 2: of people in this country want the opportunity to live
Speaker 2: in a multi racial democracy, to live peacefully, to have
Speaker 2: their own rights and the rights of their neighbors respected,
Speaker 2: to be able to meet their own basic needs, and
Speaker 2: live in a community in which other people's basic needs
Speaker 2: are being met. And so maybe what we're seeing now
Speaker 2: is a realization that they've been sold a false bill
Speaker 2: of goods. And maybe what we're seeing now is a
Speaker 2: more vocal opposition by the largely unheard majority here that
Speaker 2: is not represented, never has been, by the values of
Speaker 2: the so called values of the Mega Movement. And I
Speaker 2: hope what we're seeing is the beginning of the end.
Speaker 2: I think, you know, in the last several years, there
Speaker 2: have been fits and starts, and fits and starts, but
Speaker 2: there are too many who've stood by him for too long,
Speaker 2: and I really do hope that's coming to an end.
Speaker 1: Do you see anything coming together on the other side
Speaker 1: of the aisle that suggests Democrats can capitalize from the
Speaker 1: unraveling of Mega, Well.
Speaker 2: What I hope we're going to see is that politicians
Speaker 2: across the political spectrum recommit themselves to core American values
Speaker 2: of equal opportunity and non discrimination and frankly democracy. I
Speaker 2: hope what we see as a commitment to economic justice
Speaker 2: and equal opportunity. And I think the question now is
Speaker 2: whether Democrats are going to show up for that agenda.
Speaker 2: And we have seen some tremendous, courageous leadership by Democrats,
Speaker 2: and I hope we see more of that. I hope
Speaker 2: that becomes the defining central theme of the party, that
Speaker 2: when you are building your house on rock, when you
Speaker 2: are anchored, you are clear about your values, You're clear
Speaker 2: what you stand to stand for. I think it is
Speaker 2: easier to move forward, and it's easier to move forward together.
Speaker 2: And I hope we hear a lot more talk about
Speaker 2: what it means to be an American what it means
Speaker 2: to believe in our democracy.
Speaker 1: When we think about the Mamdani race, the New Jersey race,
Speaker 1: the Virginia race, and so of the subsequent campaigns that
Speaker 1: have taken place, there does seem to be more interest
Speaker 1: on the progressive center left side of the political ledger
Speaker 1: in engaging primary elections as well as general elections than normal.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with that, Liz.
Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is it's a very very
Speaker 2: challenging time in our country, and so a bunch of
Speaker 2: people are putting forward a bunch of different ideas. And
Speaker 2: what I am feeling most encouraged about is the times
Speaker 2: when we see that the democracy still works. The democracy
Speaker 2: is still functioning. And what I hope is that we
Speaker 2: hear messages from every candidate that reflect a commitment to democracy,
Speaker 2: equal opportunity, and economic justice. You know, whether that comes
Speaker 2: in the form of primaries or general elections, or however
Speaker 2: it plays out. I want to see every candidate running
Speaker 2: for office tell us how they will commit to constitutional rights,
Speaker 2: how they will ensure that everyone's life gets a little
Speaker 2: bit better. I think that's going to be the real question.
Speaker 2: Wether that takes primary challenges or only happens in the general.
Speaker 2: Those contrasts who's with us and who's against us? I
Speaker 2: think is going to be really important, because we the
Speaker 2: American people, deserve better. We deserve better than what's happening
Speaker 2: right now, and I hope we see public officials coming
Speaker 2: forward with a commitment to offer a better vision and
Speaker 2: a better way forward, you.
Speaker 1: Know, speaking of better vision. What I'm learning and what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing and what I understand is everyone is running
Speaker 1: against Donald Trump. I get that, but not many people
Speaker 1: are distinguishing themselves within the democratic process of what it
Speaker 1: is that they stand for. What is the alternative to
Speaker 1: Project twenty twenty five. What are we going to undo
Speaker 1: that Trump has made a disaster out of What are
Speaker 1: the problems that have to be solved as a result
Speaker 1: of a democratic victory? And I'm not quite clear on that.
Speaker 1: I know that in large measure, the Affordable Care Act
Speaker 1: is a big, big piece of that. But I'm not
Speaker 1: hearing from Democrats a comprehensive agenda to return the federal
Speaker 1: government to some sense of normalcy, given that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: has taken a sledgehammer to the entire idea.
Speaker 2: Of a federal Yeah, what I hope we see is
Speaker 2: the civil and human rights community coming together and leading
Speaker 2: us forward to the next chapter. And that I hope
Speaker 2: we see elected officials falling in line behind that vision.
Speaker 2: And this is a vision the civil and human rights
Speaker 2: community has been advocating for for more than one hundred years,
Speaker 2: because we know, even before the destruction and the burning
Speaker 2: down of the Trump administration, our government was not doing
Speaker 2: enough for all of us. Our government was not doing
Speaker 2: enough to ensure a level playing field and that everyone
Speaker 2: had a fair chance. And so what I hope we
Speaker 2: see as politicians lining up, joining hand in hand with
Speaker 2: communities to say, we are now committing ourselves to an
Speaker 2: affirmive vision of the future that is about equal opportunity,
Speaker 2: that is about everyone having a chance to get ahead,
Speaker 2: about everyone having their needs met and living peaceably side
Speaker 2: by side with diverse neighbors and diverse neighborhoods. And I
Speaker 2: hope we see that. I hope we see politicians lining up,
Speaker 2: and I expect to see the leadership coming from the
Speaker 2: civil and human rights community as it always has to
Speaker 2: paint a path forward. I mean, really, this is the
Speaker 2: conscience of the nation we're talking about, and now is
Speaker 2: about time for us to have some conscience.
Speaker 1: Liz, I wanted to broach the subject matter in the
Speaker 1: final segment of our show, but it might as well
Speaker 1: broach it now. What happened to Renee Good is a
Speaker 1: turning moment, a turning point. I believe in the American
Speaker 1: people's understanding of the cruelty of the Trump administration, the
Speaker 1: quick response, the lack of an investigation. Christy Nome, as
Speaker 1: well as the president and vice presidents statements with respect
Speaker 1: to what we obviously saw on the video not an
Speaker 1: attempt to hurt an ICE agent, just the attempt of
Speaker 1: a mother of a spouse to move on with her day.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on Christino, I'm sorry your thoughts on Renee Good.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is just such an awful
Speaker 2: moment for the country. And I think you know, I
Speaker 2: what immediately came to my to mind for me was Goodwin, Chorner,
Speaker 2: and Cheney, and that was the three voting rights workers
Speaker 2: who were lynched in Mississippi. And it was just an awful,
Speaker 2: awful point in the civil rights movement. And I think,
Speaker 2: you know, part of part of what we have to
Speaker 2: keep in mind, there was a reminder that we cannot
Speaker 2: we cannot be more outraged by violence against white people
Speaker 2: than we are by violence against black and brown people.
Speaker 2: But what I think we're seeing here is a call
Speaker 2: to action for everyone in every community to show up
Speaker 2: with their neighbors, to show up in unity and love
Speaker 2: and respect, a commitment to our constitutional American values of
Speaker 2: equal opportunity. It's just horrific. It is horrific what happened.
Speaker 2: She deserved to go home and be with her child
Speaker 2: that day. That's what everyone deserves every day. They don't
Speaker 2: deserve to be kidnapped off the street. They don't I
Speaker 2: don't deserve to be roughed up by these thugs who
Speaker 2: call themselves law enforcement. They deserve better than that. We
Speaker 2: all deserve better than what is happening right now.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson
Speaker 1: Junior Show on k BLA Talk fifteen eighty. We have
Speaker 1: this king on Tenacious Tuesday. She is a regular contributor
Speaker 1: on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. And I am particularly
Speaker 1: excited that that her mind, that her spirit and her
Speaker 1: body is here with us on every other Tuesday. Because
Speaker 1: of the extraordinary contribution that she makes and keeps us
Speaker 1: informed in Washington, d C. What's taking place in our
Speaker 1: country and our world. More on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: When we came come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty,
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Garrison.
Speaker 1: Our very special guest in this hour is none other
Speaker 1: than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Congressman. Always great to.
Speaker 3: Be here, Liz.
Speaker 1: Let's stay on the national stage for just a moment.
Speaker 1: The first president ever the bomb eight country in less
Speaker 1: than a year, and I'm deeply concerned about the unrest
Speaker 1: that is taking place in Iran and just how destabilizing
Speaker 1: that could ultimately be.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, listen, I think what we're seeing is that
Speaker 2: the demand of people to be free, to be to
Speaker 2: feed their children, to have security, to have safety, to
Speaker 2: have freedom, to have opportunity, transcends time and place, and
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing that in Iran. Now, we're seeing
Speaker 2: the people of Iran are showing up and pushing back
Speaker 2: against the conditions they've been subjected to for far too long.
Speaker 2: I think we're seeing that, you know, we saw that
Speaker 2: in the Arab Spring we have seen that in Hungary
Speaker 2: and the resistance to the anti LGBTQ movement in Hungary
Speaker 2: in the way in which the Hungarian people have pushed
Speaker 2: back against that, and I think we are being reminded
Speaker 2: of the insistence, the persistence, the determination of people to
Speaker 2: be free in all places. And I think that that
Speaker 2: comes back here too. What we are seeing is people
Speaker 2: walking away from the MAGA movement, people realizing that this
Speaker 2: is a movement that is about control and oppression. It's
Speaker 2: about making life harder, not easier. It's about taking away
Speaker 2: and making the rich richer and the poor poorer. And
Speaker 2: I think we're being reminded that we are one people
Speaker 2: on this planet and what we want as human beings.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the language of human rights, that
Speaker 2: what we want as human beings transcends our time and place.
Speaker 2: And what I hope for is that there will be
Speaker 2: an opportunity. You know, there's that quote.
Speaker 4: That that JFK always use.
Speaker 2: You know, when you make nonviolent resistance impossible, you make
Speaker 2: violent revolution inevitable. And what I hope we see is
Speaker 2: a nonviolent transition to democracy across the globe, including in
Speaker 2: our own country.
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't agree more that the movement, the
Speaker 1: winds of change are moving throughout societies around our country
Speaker 1: and around our world. The people are pushing back. They
Speaker 1: are fighting back against authoritarianism in Iran, they are fighting
Speaker 1: back against authoritarianism around the world, and even what might
Speaker 1: have been meant or bad by Donald Trump in some areas,
Speaker 1: it's turning out for good because the people are beginning
Speaker 1: to express themselves and rise up and take responsibility for
Speaker 1: their own lives and for their own actions. I should
Speaker 1: share with you that, given all that the Middle East
Speaker 1: has been through since October seventh, a destabilized Iran will
Speaker 1: also play very well into the hands of the Israelis.
Speaker 1: Your thoughts on this critical issue, Liz.
Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is that the determination what
Speaker 2: you know, what King told us, is that peace is
Speaker 2: not merely the absence of tension, is the presence of justice,
Speaker 2: and that people will never people will only live with
Speaker 2: injustice for but so long. And we need to create
Speaker 2: conditions that enable people to elect their leaders to determine
Speaker 2: their own future. We need to create a scenario you know,
Speaker 2: in which you know, freedom is just another word for
Speaker 2: nothing left to lose. We need to be in a
Speaker 2: situation in which people can be hopeful and have a
Speaker 2: future and they can turn away from violence. More violence,
Speaker 2: more killing is terrifying. It is terrifying in any place,
Speaker 2: and certainly the Middle East is a region that has
Speaker 2: had far more than its fair share of violence and
Speaker 2: oppression for far too long. These are people entitled to
Speaker 2: self determination and equal opportunity, the same as people in
Speaker 2: every corner of the globe. And what I hope we
Speaker 2: see is a transition to a United States government that
Speaker 2: is a friend.
Speaker 1: Can you offer us a word of hope?
Speaker 2: I think what we're being told right now is in
Speaker 2: a world with Christy Noman, Donald Trump, be good. Every
Speaker 2: day every one of us has the opportunity to show
Speaker 2: up for our neighbors, to straighten our own backs, to
Speaker 2: be a force for good, for peace, for justice and
Speaker 2: equal opportunity. And I think that is what we are
Speaker 2: all called to do, is to be good.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been reading Beyond Vietnam, a speech that
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King delivered in nineteen sixty seven, and I
Speaker 1: think this revolutionary revolution of values that doctor King talked
Speaker 1: about in that speech, as we turned the corner towards
Speaker 1: his ninety seventh birthday on January fifteenth. I'm reminded that
Speaker 1: he said that young black men in the ghettos and
Speaker 1: neighborhoods of our nation had come up to him and
Speaker 1: they had said, doctor King, you're asking us to be nonviolent,
Speaker 1: but what about Vietnam? And Doctor King said it essentially
Speaker 1: froze him in his steps. He said that he knew
Speaker 1: at that moment that he could no longer speak with
Speaker 1: integrity on the question of nonviolence without commenting on the
Speaker 1: greatest purveyor of violence in the world, the US government.
Speaker 1: And this was in nineteen sixty seven. And if there's
Speaker 1: ever been a case for just how violent, overtly and
Speaker 1: covertly the United States government can truly be, of course
Speaker 1: the great tragedy being in the name of the American people,
Speaker 1: which means that whatever the US government does, it means
Speaker 1: that Liz King and I and those of you within
Speaker 1: listening range of my voice, wherever we travel in the world,
Speaker 1: the perception is that we condone the behavior of the
Speaker 1: United States. And that's why these militias are now showing
Speaker 1: up in Venezuela looking for American citizens and looking for Americans,
Speaker 1: because the world that we live in today is a
Speaker 1: lot less safe as a result of the idea that
Speaker 1: we've not given thought to the end that we seek,
Speaker 1: knowing full well that how we behave on the international
Speaker 1: stage has impacts for Americans abroad, Americans at home, and
Speaker 1: Americans all over our world in a real sense, Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior. Liz was absolutely right that we find
Speaker 1: ourselves trapped in an inescapable bond of mutuality. What makes
Speaker 1: Liz King the very best that she can be also
Speaker 1: makes me the very best that I can be. And
Speaker 1: when I'm at my very best, Liz King can also
Speaker 1: be at her very best. And therefore, when we turn
Speaker 1: to each other and not on each other, we bring
Speaker 1: people together and we thrive together. Liz, I'm so grateful
Speaker 1: that you joined us for this hour on the Jesse
Speaker 1: Jackson Junior Show, indeed your show on Tenacious Tuesdays. Thank
Speaker 1: you for being with us, Liz, Thank.
Speaker 2: You so much. Congressman, can't wait for next time.
Speaker 1: I can't wait as well. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're
Speaker 1: on the Jay Lunch Club Jesse Jackson Junior on Tenacious
Speaker 1: Tuesdays with Liz King and up next of course, none
Speaker 1: other than the Great Attorney Barbara arnwot More on KBLA
Speaker 1: talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward right here,
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Listening
Speaker 1: to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on tenacious Tuesday. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking and reflecting upon our conversation with Liz King.
Speaker 1: And I was also reflecting upon a speech that Martin
Speaker 1: Luther King Junior delivered on April fourth, nineteen sixty seven,
Speaker 1: at Manhattan's Riverside Church. And in this moment, I'm saying
Speaker 1: to myself self, is it a time to break our silence?
Speaker 1: Is it a time to break our silence? The title
Speaker 1: of the speech that Martin Luther King Junior delivered on
Speaker 1: that occasion beyond Vietnam, A time to break Silence. Doctor
Speaker 1: King gave considerable reflection to the idea that clergymen politicians
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty seven, many of them were running for office,
Speaker 1: particularly the politicians. There was a nineteen sixty eight presidential
Speaker 1: election year. Clergymen were joining the Democrats, and some were
Speaker 1: exercising their rights supporting candidates for president of the United States.
Speaker 1: It would be in that context, of course, at the
Speaker 1: democratic nomination or through the democratic nomination process, that Bobby
Speaker 1: Kennedy would lose his life at the hands of Sir
Speaker 1: Hann Sir Han and Doctor King a few short months later,
Speaker 1: would lose his life after Bobby Kennedy. Before Bobby Kennedy
Speaker 1: had lost his life, remember, Bobby Kennedy broke the news
Speaker 1: that Martin Luther King Junior had been assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: So it was a season of death and Martin Luther
Speaker 1: King Junior in April, about a year or so before
Speaker 1: he died, he began raising this question that we have
Speaker 1: to break our silence, and for his position on the
Speaker 1: Vietnam War, he was criticized by black clergymen, by black
Speaker 1: elected officials, who Doctor King talks about in the speech
Speaker 1: by saying that during a time of war, it is
Speaker 1: very difficult to not be supportive of your own nation.
Speaker 1: Doctor King says that heightened senses of patriotism are a
Speaker 1: factor in national support for our sons and daughters that
Speaker 1: we have sent as a nation into harm's way. I
Speaker 1: say that with a caveat when the Congress of the
Speaker 1: United States that being authorizes a war on behalf of
Speaker 1: their constituents and on behalf of the American people. The
Speaker 1: heat and the pressure has come from the people to
Speaker 1: their representatives for the need to go to war. But
Speaker 1: unilateral actions by a sovereign, from my perspective, are not
Speaker 1: the same. And so the moment is propitious for us
Speaker 1: to be able to break our silence that our men
Speaker 1: and women, that our weapons are being used without the
Speaker 1: authorization of the Congress of the United States, that our
Speaker 1: men and women are in harm's way, and our children,
Speaker 1: that this is not activity that has been authorized by
Speaker 1: Congress nor supported by the American people. Therefore, immediately leaving
Speaker 1: before us the question, at what point in time is
Speaker 1: it a time for us to break our silence? That
Speaker 1: the activities themselves in Greenland, in Venezuela, the threats in Colombia,
Speaker 1: the threats to Cubans launching rockets into Nigeria, the role
Speaker 1: of the United States is undoubtedly playing in Iran, the
Speaker 1: security for Palestinians, and the security for Israelis in the
Speaker 1: Middle East. The question is at what point in time
Speaker 1: are we going to break our silence? And so I've
Speaker 1: been struggling. Just before I bring our tenacious guest, Barbara
Speaker 1: Arnweine into the program, probably at the next break. I've
Speaker 1: been struggling with this idea that beyond Vietnam needs to
Speaker 1: be upgraded to include something like beyond Venezuela. What kind
Speaker 1: of world in our silence are we building and what
Speaker 1: message are we sending to progressive movements around the world
Speaker 1: when we are silent? Is it that we are frozen
Speaker 1: by the behavior of the United States of America that
Speaker 1: we could have never imagined that a president would seek
Speaker 1: to shape the entire world order unilaterally. He told us
Speaker 1: this is what he was going to do, and no
Speaker 1: one wants to say, I told you so, But we
Speaker 1: did tell you so. Kamala told us so. Remember back
Speaker 1: when Democrats were squabbling over who should succeed Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Lest should we forget just about a year and a
Speaker 1: half ago, we had a Democratic national convention where who
Speaker 1: would lead the Democratic Party was a factor in the
Speaker 1: national conversation, not fully appreciating all that was at stake.
Speaker 1: If last November Donald Trump was elected President of the
Speaker 1: United States, a time to break our silence. I have
Speaker 1: read as high as seventeen percent of the black mail
Speaker 1: vote in the last election went to Donald Trump and today,
Speaker 1: only six percent of African American men find favor with
Speaker 1: Donald Trump. There is evidence on the horizon that the
Speaker 1: time to break our silence is upon us, and I
Speaker 1: want us to reflect some point in time during the
Speaker 1: course of this week, before the official birthday celebration of
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Junior, maybe on Johnny Max's Show and
Speaker 1: the World House, not just about beyond Vietnam, but beyond Venezuela.
Speaker 1: What is the revolution of values that we must go
Speaker 1: through as a nation in order to build a beloved community.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to Tenacious Tuesday on
Speaker 1: Tuesdays on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward,
Speaker 1: Barbara Arnwine will join us our most tenacious guest. More
Speaker 1: when we come forward on KLA I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome
Speaker 1: forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen eighty. And before I bring on our very special guest,
Speaker 1: I want to give a shout out to the sisters
Speaker 1: of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority on the occasion of their
Speaker 1: founder day. Extraordinary sorority founded in nineteen thirteen, very productive
Speaker 1: and important organization within the African American community of professional women,
Speaker 1: Happy Founders Day. Our very special guest in this hour
Speaker 1: is none other than Tenacious contributor Attorney Barbara Arnwine, President
Speaker 1: and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, Internationally renowned for
Speaker 1: contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of the
Speaker 1: landmark Civil Rights Act of nineteen ninety one and the
Speaker 1: two thousand and six reauthorization of provisions of the Voting
Speaker 1: Rights Act. Barbara, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Speaker 1: Show and Tenacious Tuesdays your muted Barbara.
Speaker 4: It's great to be here. Thank you for having.
Speaker 1: Me, Barbara. I was sharing just before you came on
Speaker 1: the program that Martin Luther King Junior preached at Riverside
Speaker 1: Church Beyond Vietnam A time to break silence? Barbara, Is
Speaker 1: this the time to break our silence?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? And I want to commend the millions of people
Speaker 4: who jumped into the streets this last weekend. They were
Speaker 4: in the streets on the ninth, They were in the
Speaker 4: streets on the tenth, They were in the streets a
Speaker 4: lot on the eleventh, you know, protesting ice, protesting the
Speaker 4: invasion of Venezuela, the threats against these other nations protesting,
Speaker 4: and I want to command every person because it was
Speaker 4: called out there. I'm sorry, y'all. It was cold in Minneapolis,
Speaker 4: it was cold even in DC. But people showed up
Speaker 4: anyway because they were that angered, that distressed by our
Speaker 4: nation and the actions that have been taken by this
Speaker 4: Trump administration. Folks, mark your calendars down January the twentieth,
Speaker 4: the day after MLK Day. Nationally, January the twentieth is
Speaker 4: the nationwide walk out on Fascism. It is the first
Speaker 4: anniversary of the Trump administration, and it is a protest
Speaker 4: of all the unconstitutional, vicious, and evil deeds that this
Speaker 4: administration has done. And we're asking everyone to please take
Speaker 4: to the streets, walk out of your job, walk out
Speaker 4: of your school, walk out of whatever you're doing. At
Speaker 4: two o'clock PM Eastern. Two o'clock pm Eastern, we're asking
Speaker 4: people to leave your places of employment from and we're
Speaker 4: having a two hour walk out from two until four,
Speaker 4: and if you want to go longer, start earlier in
Speaker 4: the early later. Fantastic. You can get a lot of
Speaker 4: information by about this walkout from the Women's March from
Speaker 4: Dcproject dot org and I will give even more contacts
Speaker 4: as we talk. But it's critical that we the people
Speaker 4: continue to show our opposition to this nonsense. I mean,
Speaker 4: think about this, most of us. You know, a lot
Speaker 4: of people just became aware of Renee you know, Nicole
Speaker 4: good because of her vicious murder that was caught on video.
Speaker 4: Thank God for the people who video. Keep on video
Speaker 4: in people, keep on video. Please please don't ever stop
Speaker 4: doing that, because it's the only way we can refute
Speaker 4: the lies of the government and the lies of officials.
Speaker 4: We need you to keep doing that. But when people
Speaker 4: became aware of Renee Good, Goods slave and saw the
Speaker 4: lies that were told by Christy Nolan, I mean, just
Speaker 4: straight up lies. But that's what fashionsts do. They lie,
Speaker 4: and that's what this administration has done. It lies every day.
Speaker 4: I said that if they couldn't if they couldn't lie,
Speaker 4: they wouldn't be able to talk. That's how bad their
Speaker 4: lying is. I'm serious. And they they I mean they,
Speaker 4: I mean, they would have nothing to say because all
Speaker 4: they do is lie. And I think that the great
Speaker 4: thing here is that people were able to see it
Speaker 4: for themselves and from all the different angles, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: and we're able to see it for themselves, and they
Speaker 4: heard that comment that Trump dvanced and nobody else will
Speaker 4: talk about uh. And that is the comment at the
Speaker 4: after he shot her, that F and B word that
Speaker 4: he said, come on now, No, I made.
Speaker 2: Him say that that's correct.
Speaker 4: He was under note threat, had already killed the poor woman,
Speaker 4: her car had already crashed, and he's up there celebrating,
Speaker 4: said F and B. Well, but I mean, come on, father.
Speaker 1: I've never seen government of for and by the people
Speaker 1: more tone deaf to the needs, to the marches, to
Speaker 1: the way in which dissent is being expressed about their behavior,
Speaker 1: quite like I've seen in the last eleven almost twelve
Speaker 1: months of the Trump administration. Is it your opinion that
Speaker 1: if the branches of government were more divided, that is,
Speaker 1: if Democrats regained control of Congress, that the administration may
Speaker 1: be less tone deaf. I know that there is a
Speaker 1: movement of foot impeachment articles. Some have even talked about
Speaker 1: bringing or for Secretary nome Y. There are others who
Speaker 1: have advanced impeachment articles already, including Congressman Al Green or
Speaker 1: President of the United States administration officials. Is that the key?
Speaker 4: I think, first of all, let's step back a little
Speaker 4: bit on your question, because the first issue is I
Speaker 4: don't think they are a governmant for we the people.
Speaker 4: They are a government for we the wrinch, we the
Speaker 4: all of guards, we the racist, we the uh you know,
Speaker 4: we the greedy. But they are not for we the people.
Speaker 4: I mean, he makes that clearingity all the time. He
Speaker 4: talks about blue and red states, about how he's gonna
Speaker 4: persecute the Blue states, and uh, so he's made it
Speaker 4: clear that he does not see himself as a president
Speaker 4: of all the people. He never talks about being a
Speaker 4: president of all the people. In fact, every time he speaks,
Speaker 4: he's going after some divide. So mally's, some Mally's who
Speaker 4: are living in our country are are the enemy. He
Speaker 4: goes at and won't talk about all these billionaire and frosters.
Speaker 4: Come on, now, I want to talk. I mean, won't
Speaker 4: talk about you know who put asie content on the
Speaker 4: on the streets. It wasn't who you think it was.
Speaker 4: It was rich folks. Uh and they are richer because
Speaker 4: of it. None of them have gone to jail. Come on,
Speaker 4: and there's just all these realities that and and who
Speaker 4: did he uh pardon he pardoned the biggest drug lord
Speaker 4: in the history of bringing tons and tons of drugs
Speaker 4: into these United States. He doesn't care about we the people,
Speaker 4: that's the reality. He only cares about we the oliguards.
Speaker 4: He only wants to make his people richer. Why is
Speaker 4: he threatening Jerome Powell? Come on, what is Jerome Powell?
Speaker 4: The head of the Federal Reserve mad at him because
Speaker 4: he won't do what he wants to do to help,
Speaker 4: you know, benefit his rich people. Uh So, folks, this
Speaker 4: is this is terrible. We are in a Uh this
Speaker 4: is what oligarchs do. Oli Arts invade other non nations
Speaker 4: to get their rare earth minerals, their natural resources. Oligarchs,
Speaker 4: uh say, you know, put uh police in the streets
Speaker 4: and have law enforcement terrorized neighborhoods so people can be
Speaker 4: their lives can be destroyed. Oligarchs do this all because
Speaker 4: all they want and all they see is the bottom
Speaker 4: line house their money growing.
Speaker 1: You know, I find it fascinating the point that you made,
Speaker 1: and I wanted to kind of go back and unpack
Speaker 1: it for just a moment. That oxycotton, oxy codone, whatever
Speaker 1: you want to get, Yes, is a prescription medication.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And these doctors were pushing these drugs. They were dealers,
Speaker 1: and it resulted in the depths of hundreds, maybe even
Speaker 1: thousands of people, thousands of thousands, old prosecutions. None Now,
Speaker 1: fentanyl wherever it's coming from Mexico, South America, where it's
Speaker 1: disputed that it even is it is constructed there. Some
Speaker 1: have suggested that the raw materials might be there, but
Speaker 1: that it's ultimately constructed here in the United States. Yes, fentanyl, crack, cocaine,
Speaker 1: and Barbara. Also, when the crack cocaine epidemic came, we
Speaker 1: prosecuted not only crack dealers but crack addicts and we
Speaker 1: locked them up. But on the question of fentanyl, this
Speaker 1: is a health crisis, and the health crisis isn't locking
Speaker 1: up people who are addicted to fentanyl. The US government
Speaker 1: is trying to find them help and try to find
Speaker 1: help for the crack babies.
Speaker 4: And what about Iran Contra? Has everybody forgotten about Iran Contra?
Speaker 1: California, Los Angeles is real familiar with free right, free way.
Speaker 4: Hey, I mean, come on, folks, where where what was
Speaker 4: Iran country about? It was the c i A and
Speaker 4: the FBI purposefully bringing drugs, cocaine and crack into this country, uh,
Speaker 4: purposefully so that they could run their side illegal operations
Speaker 4: the money, right, right, Come on, I mean, I mean, folks,
Speaker 4: you know, government has to be held accountable. If you
Speaker 4: don't hold government accountable, then government would run amok. Uh
Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, ultimate absolute power corrupts this.
Speaker 4: It is corruptive, There's no doubt about it. And uh
Speaker 4: and this man wants to be a dictator and he
Speaker 4: won't have absolute power. And he is uh. Sadly, as
Speaker 4: I keep pointing out, he is not. He is not
Speaker 4: in the best mental state. And if he were competent
Speaker 4: and was this evil, it would be a problem. But
Speaker 4: it's really horrendous when you have somebody who is showing
Speaker 4: so many signs of incompetence that you have you know this,
Speaker 4: you have this, you know, horrific threat, because then there's
Speaker 4: no reason, no way to reason with him.
Speaker 1: I do want to pick back up on that. The
Speaker 1: narco traffickers, Yes, because there's an entire generation of Americans
Speaker 1: who have no appreciation of what we learned in Iran
Speaker 1: contract and that is the role of our government in
Speaker 1: cutting deals with narco traffickers to allow them to sell
Speaker 1: drugs in the United States exactly in exchange for arms
Speaker 1: and most of us and for those of us Barbara
Speaker 1: who experienced and lived through that period. Yes, it's hard
Speaker 1: for us to imagine that Narco africas that Donald Trump
Speaker 1: is assassinating and arresting don't have a story to tell
Speaker 1: about the work they've been doing with the US government.
Speaker 4: Tell many decades, Tell me and and just you know, folks,
Speaker 4: understand your congress appropriate funds too, you know, to all
Speaker 4: for all of our federal operations. And what happens is
Speaker 4: when they want to go off the book and they
Speaker 4: don't want to be responded with, they don't want to
Speaker 4: use congressional funds, federal funds, then they they did this
Speaker 4: on narco trafficking. And where did they funnel all of
Speaker 4: this cocaine and this crack cocaine and all the rest
Speaker 4: of it. Where't they send it? Black communities? Black communities.
Speaker 1: It's a dark budget. It's a black budget. It's a
Speaker 1: budget that's over at the intelligence agencies, is off budget,
Speaker 1: and it is unlimited. And the hole is so deep. Yep,
Speaker 1: you can't find an accounting process for the amount of
Speaker 1: money they spend in this space.
Speaker 4: It's all all hidden, all off. I mean, it's just
Speaker 4: a mess, folks. And that's why, you know, we have
Speaker 4: to be cynical, uh and skeptical and questioning when we
Speaker 4: hear all of these alleged, you know, concerns about drug dealing.
Speaker 4: They're not concerned about drug dealing. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: the folks, very folks who are talking about that are
Speaker 4: slurring their words. Uh up there, you know all the
Speaker 4: time because they've been using you know what, cocaine. Come on, folks,
Speaker 4: don't fall for this.
Speaker 1: When can we expect the Clay decision. It's the Clay
Speaker 1: decisions coming down tomorrow.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I said, it's very probable. I mean
Speaker 4: it's a good sixty percent chance or more.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in the not too distant future, we'll be looking
Speaker 1: at the decision on the voting right teck.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Supreme Court has announced that they have an
Speaker 4: opinion day for tomorrow. Remember that the State of Louisiana
Speaker 4: asked for a decision by January thirteenth, and there will
Speaker 4: be a decision out on January fourteenth. And remember the
Speaker 4: way the court works is that they never said an
Speaker 4: opinion day until they actually have an opinion.
Speaker 1: To release Barbara. I'm just we're gonna do this and
Speaker 1: just a moment, I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to
Speaker 1: KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more Barbara Arnwine when we come
Speaker 1: forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on TBLA Talk
Speaker 1: fifteen to eighty, our very special guest in this hour
Speaker 1: is our most tenacious guest, Attorney Barbara Arnwine is the
Speaker 1: founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, And just before the break,
Speaker 1: I did have a question for Barbara about the Louisiana
Speaker 1: versus Clay decision. Barbara, before we go into a deeper
Speaker 1: unpacking of the Kalaid decision and the possibility that it
Speaker 1: will be released tomorrow, will you share with our listeners
Speaker 1: what the decision is all about.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's very likely, very possible it could be released tomorrow.
Speaker 4: The court is sitting on you know, two really big cases,
Speaker 4: Klay and the tariff case. Uh, and it's gonna be
Speaker 4: one of them for sure. Are both Uh, that's called
Speaker 4: the court rolls. So I just want everyone to know
Speaker 4: that Louisiana versus Klay is a direct threat to African
Speaker 4: American Latino Native American voting power, that it is a
Speaker 4: case that says basically that the creation of a black
Speaker 4: voting majority black voting district in response to years of
Speaker 4: racial discrimination and voting by the state of Louisiana, uh
Speaker 4: is would be that they're saying, they're arguing that it's
Speaker 4: unconstitutional and that it is a quote racial jerrymandering bandar.
Speaker 4: So wait a minute. So come on, folks. If somebody
Speaker 4: steals your car and you know who it is, and
Speaker 4: you know that they planned the theft, they carried out
Speaker 4: the theft, what do you want. You want compensation? Right,
Speaker 4: what kind of compensation do you want? You want your car.
Speaker 4: You want the value in your car and the return
Speaker 4: to your car. And so when somebody steals your vote
Speaker 4: and says that you cannot elect the choice because we
Speaker 4: have drawn the maps that only white people can be
Speaker 4: elected from these districts, then your remedy is to have
Speaker 4: a district that is constructed where blacks can possibly elect
Speaker 4: a candidate of their choice. And so that was the remedy,
Speaker 4: a remedy, It was a remedy for past discrimination. But
Speaker 4: quote non blacks, you know, fouvel lawsuits saying this is
Speaker 4: unfair to us because you know we're being denied. Uh
Speaker 4: you know, our right to UH to you know, be
Speaker 4: free of discrimination, because this means blacks get you know,
Speaker 4: certain rights, and that's unfair under the UH you know,
Speaker 4: under our view of the constitution. All of this nonsense.
Speaker 4: So it is so important for us to understand that
Speaker 4: you who do you have as Chief Justice in the
Speaker 4: United States? You got John Roberts. What has John Roberts
Speaker 4: built his career on his opposition to the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 4: This is also a case where they're arguing that the
Speaker 4: Voting Rights Act itself created out of the shed blood
Speaker 4: of African Americans and whites and everybody else who marched
Speaker 4: for that Voting Rights Act. They're saying that that act
Speaker 4: is unconstitutional, unconstitutional. Why why, okay, everybody, get ready, why
Speaker 4: is it unconstitutional? They're saying it's unconstitutional because there's no
Speaker 4: more racial discrimination than voting.
Speaker 1: M and maybe the number one factor associated with voting
Speaker 1: is race itself. That any people step into a poll
Speaker 1: specifically looking for a certain kind of congressman, you've got
Speaker 1: it who speaks to their issues, who looks like them,
Speaker 1: who experiences the same experiences that they've experienced.
Speaker 4: Parb.
Speaker 1: We got a couple more questions around this Kalay decision. Yes,
Speaker 1: vision was the State of Louisiana said that they liked
Speaker 1: the decision to be rendered by win.
Speaker 4: January thirteenth, which would have been yesterday today, right today.
Speaker 1: So we could be looking at a decision any moment now,
Speaker 1: but certainly sometime possibly this week. If the Court has
Speaker 1: a decision, well, the.
Speaker 4: Court only the Court announces his opinion days. There's no
Speaker 4: quote surprise opinion days. They announced them advance and they
Speaker 4: have announced that the next opinion day will be tomorrow. Okay,
Speaker 4: so at ten o'clock tomorrow, all eyes will be trained
Speaker 4: on the court.
Speaker 1: So the worst two scenario if the Court strikes down
Speaker 1: Section two of the Voting Rights Act, Yes, and therefore
Speaker 1: strikes down I would assume the Cleopheels Congressional District in
Speaker 1: the State of Louisiana.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Can you share with us your thoughts on the ripple
Speaker 1: effect of that decision.
Speaker 4: We don't have to think fair vote and black voters.
Speaker 4: Matters has done an amazing report that shows that we
Speaker 4: could lose as many as nineteen people of colored from
Speaker 4: the Congress, especially African American congressional officials. That we could
Speaker 4: lose one hundred and ninety one districts that have been
Speaker 4: that are drawn that are doubinly African American, and so
Speaker 4: if they go overbroad on using this, we could have
Speaker 4: that immediate effect. But worse than that, every time there's
Speaker 4: discrimination in voting, we wouldn't be able to fight it
Speaker 4: with the Voting Rights Act. People go back to nineteen
Speaker 4: sixty five. Nineteen sixty five in Alabama, they're less than
Speaker 4: five percent of all blacks were registered. Go back to Mississippi,
Speaker 4: Go back to Louisiana, go back to Georgia, Florida, all
Speaker 4: these states that South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, all these states, Kentucky, Oklahoma.
Speaker 4: Just go back to all these states. Tennessee, Oh, come
Speaker 4: on now, come on now, Missouri, you know, let's talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 1: Texas, Illinois, all of our districts are drawn pursuing to
Speaker 1: the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five votes.
Speaker 4: The Voting Rights Act was the most revolutionary piece of
Speaker 4: voting of civil rights legislation I repaired. It did more
Speaker 4: to accomplish its goals than any other. Fair housing Act
Speaker 4: hasn't been as successful as it should be. The Civil
Speaker 4: Rights Act. The nineteen sixty four US had a misimpact immense,
Speaker 4: but nothing has been as powerful as the Voting Rights Act.
Speaker 4: We went from at the time, I believe, help me
Speaker 4: get this right. At the time it was passed, we
Speaker 4: had like seven blacks in Congress to over sixty now,
Speaker 4: so you know, and and I'm clear when I say blacks,
Speaker 4: I mean you know, I'm counting the skin color. I
Speaker 4: ain't talking about some of this mentality that some of
Speaker 4: these folks have, but it's very telling that people hate
Speaker 4: black progress. Let's be honest. There's a lot of white supremacists.
Speaker 4: Have you guys been seeing what Elon Musk, this man
Speaker 4: they allowed, this mass murderer that they allowed to to
Speaker 4: run doge this race. Have you been seeing what he's
Speaker 4: been posting?
Speaker 1: Barbara, just plic just go ahead. I'm sorry, just before
Speaker 1: we go to Elon Musk and hiss twitter posts, I'm
Speaker 1: wondering if, given what black voters matter, that said in
Speaker 1: their report, yes, any tampering with Section two of the
Speaker 1: Voting Rights Act, we give Pam Bondy, the DOJ, the
Speaker 1: only authority to bring action in states to immediately change
Speaker 1: their maps.
Speaker 4: And you know what she's gonna do. She's already shown
Speaker 4: us the whole Texas. Uh, you know, redrawing their maps
Speaker 4: in which they wiped out you know, black political seats,
Speaker 4: all of this and you know threatening you know, Latino seats.
Speaker 4: All of this was done because Pam Bondi demanded it
Speaker 4: be done.
Speaker 1: Does that mean Barbara then that essentially this could be
Speaker 1: an all deliberate speed case, therefore throwing the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six election into a quandary.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I also and that's what they want.
Speaker 4: You know, they want to destroy the twenty twenty six
Speaker 4: election because they know they're going to lose it, especially
Speaker 4: when it comes to the House of Representatives, so they
Speaker 4: want to do everything they can to steal seats, blocked voters. Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's a major thing in my opinion,
Speaker 4: no matter what comes out tomorrow, if it lessens the
Speaker 4: protections of the Voting Rights Act, that's a loss. I
Speaker 4: don't care. You know, anything that that is passed to
Speaker 4: make the Voting Rights Act weaker is a loss for us.
Speaker 4: And we got to understand that. And we got to
Speaker 4: understand that the answer to that is that you don't
Speaker 4: just sit back and say, oh, well, you know, we
Speaker 4: need you to stand up and find.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson, and we come forward on fifty. I'm
Speaker 1: Jesse Jacksonjr. Welcome for or to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Barbara Arnwine is always on our program breaking news. We
Speaker 1: could lose nine nineteen blacks in Congress. Nineteen blacks in
Speaker 1: Congress by the end of twenty twenty six. That's a lot.
Speaker 1: I got a clip that I'd like to go to
Speaker 1: on the unraveling of Mega lay the clip.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's party has lost control of the House of Representatives,
Speaker 5: effectively multiple discharge petitions there now moving bills without the
Speaker 5: Republican Party's permission, despite the fact that they nominally control
Speaker 5: the House. The Heritage Foundation, which brought us Project twenty
Speaker 5: twenty five. Heritage Foundation, is now imploding, with senior staffers
Speaker 5: from every department fleeing that far right organization in disgust.
Speaker 5: The Turning Point USA Conservative Movement Conference that was held
Speaker 5: this weekend was highlighted by the most famous people who
Speaker 5: spoke at that conference, all screaming insults and accusations at
Speaker 5: each other and pledging to be one another's mortal enemy.
Speaker 3: Couldn't happen to a nicer group.
Speaker 5: The President's two most high profile and ambitious allies in Congress,
Speaker 5: Marjorie Taylor Green and Alice Stephonic are now both leaving
Speaker 5: Congress and, in Stephanic's case, quitting her run for New
Speaker 5: York governor, both of them apparently storming out of the
Speaker 5: MAGA movement in disgust. And thousands of people are marching
Speaker 5: against Trump in ten degree weather in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Yes, is unraveling, Yes, in a way. Yes. You know
Speaker 4: what's interesting. They're having a lot of personality disputes, right,
Speaker 4: and they're having disputes over some policy having to do
Speaker 4: with Israel. But let's not think that they're not in
Speaker 4: agreement on destroying the Voting Rights Act. Let's don't for
Speaker 4: a minute think that they're not an agreement all white supremacy.
Speaker 4: That's not, for a minute think that they're not in
Speaker 4: agreement on making sure that people who are poor are
Speaker 4: not receiving help in assistance. Not think for a minute
Speaker 4: that somehow they're not in agreement with some of these attacks,
Speaker 4: these you know, this bombing of these other nations. Folks.
Speaker 4: You know MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green still holds to most
Speaker 4: of her MAGA philosophies. You know, let's be very clear.
Speaker 4: It's not that they somehow have demagnetized magnetized they have. Instead,
Speaker 4: they're they're disputing priorities and they're disputing personalities. They're disputing
Speaker 4: you know, power. They're fighting over twenty twenty eight. You know, folks,
Speaker 4: everything you're watching, the destruction of Tim Walts, all this
Speaker 4: stuff is over twenty twenty eight. Don't get confused that
Speaker 4: they're already at war, you know, trying to figure out
Speaker 4: who's going to be in what positions of power for
Speaker 4: twenty twenty eight, because they're assuming that despite all of
Speaker 4: Trump's nonsense talk that he cannot run for a third term.
Speaker 4: It's about power and and who's you know, who's in
Speaker 4: what you know, position of power?
Speaker 1: Barbara, could we expect with a Kalay decision in light
Speaker 1: of your analysis of the unraveling of MEGA and the
Speaker 1: things that they are in agreement on getting Rights Act,
Speaker 1: getting rid of the Civil Rights Act?
Speaker 4: You are basically with each other.
Speaker 1: Can uh? Is there any doubt that Pam Bondi is
Speaker 1: going to look at blue states, blue cities and see
Speaker 1: the ways in which she can redraw entire states.
Speaker 4: Well, remember they start with Texas, that's a red state.
Speaker 4: So they listen. They want absolute power, absolute political dominance.
Speaker 4: They don't believe in power sharing, period. So anything they
Speaker 4: can do anywhere they can do it, they're going to
Speaker 4: do it. They're going to go after blue states, but
Speaker 4: they're going to go after districts like they did in
Speaker 4: Missouri that are held by Democrats. They're going to go
Speaker 4: up against you know, Latinos. They're gonna you know. And
Speaker 4: one thing I had missed about the whole maps is
Speaker 4: that your brother Jonathan educated me about in Texas is
Speaker 4: that they destroyed the white district that they consider too progressive,
Speaker 4: and they threw out what's Lloyd uh Duncan.
Speaker 1: And Lloyd Doggett.
Speaker 4: Yes, Lloyd Doggett. They redrew his district so that he
Speaker 4: can't win.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: So, I just want people to understand that they they
Speaker 4: don't care. This is all about raw political dominance. They
Speaker 4: don't want a Congress that can hold this man accountable.
Speaker 4: They want this man to be uh, you know, given
Speaker 4: free reign so that the next person who comes in,
Speaker 4: Uh can you know, can uh you know benefit from
Speaker 4: that voter suppression? And can you continue to do all
Speaker 4: these evil policies?
Speaker 1: Can you share with us how we may support the
Speaker 1: Transformative Justice Coalition and your work.
Speaker 4: Yes, please support us. We do this work. We can't
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Speaker 4: power is achieved regard without racial discrimination. And so you
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Speaker 1: Why were you were trying to make another point just
Speaker 1: before before that?
Speaker 4: Yes, I just have to give a shout out to
Speaker 4: the family of Keith Porter. You know, every I you know,
Speaker 4: I'm so upset like everyone about the outrageous, racist, misogynistic,
Speaker 4: homophobic killing of Miss Renee Nicole Good. But I'm also
Speaker 4: concerned about the fact that nobody's talking about our brothers.
Speaker 1: That's Pete Porter.
Speaker 4: Pete Porter was killed right as the we were going
Speaker 4: into the New year UH in Los Angeles, out in
Speaker 4: North ridge folks. Uh, and was slain by an off
Speaker 4: duty was something. And what he was doing is with
Speaker 4: my dad and all my uncles always did on New
Speaker 4: Year's Eve. My mom would be fussing, but they would
Speaker 4: do it anyway. They would go outside and they would
Speaker 4: shoot their guns into the air to salute the new year.
Speaker 4: A lot of black folks still do it. They do
Speaker 4: it in my neighbor here here, good here in Maryland
Speaker 4: they do it. And I'm like, oh lord, but we
Speaker 4: do it. That's the way we've done it. That's a
Speaker 4: way of celebrating the New Year. And that's all he
Speaker 4: was doing. And this guy got pissed off that this
Speaker 4: black man had the nerve to have a gun and
Speaker 4: to him, Uh, shot it into the air and confronted
Speaker 4: him and shot him dead for no reason, no good reason,
Speaker 4: no threat, no self defense, just mad, you know about
Speaker 4: a black man with a gun. So I just, you know,
Speaker 4: want his family to know that we will lift up
Speaker 4: his voice, that we're going to make sure everybody knows
Speaker 4: that Keith Porter also was killed and that he his
Speaker 4: death has not gotten the national attention it deserves. So
Speaker 4: I'm here to argue on his behalf today.
Speaker 1: What about a minute and seconds for your word of hope.
Speaker 4: Yes, January twentieth, I need you in those streets January twenty,
Speaker 4: walk out on fascist January twenty. It say to this administration,
Speaker 4: no no, no, no no and uh and I know
Speaker 4: you were laughing with you read it was the no no, no,
Speaker 4: no no they got me at and you read. Of course,
Speaker 4: the other day somebody's analysis on the whole Trump administration
Speaker 4: was they need to stop. Stop. So I'm gonna keep
Speaker 4: bringing my great analysis.
Speaker 1: Right Barbara, I'm so proud of you. Please support Barbara
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Speaker 1: Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson your show
Speaker 1: on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. We've had a wonderful
Speaker 1: time in this hour with Barbara and mine. Barbara, I'll
Speaker 1: see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4: I'll see you then and we'll be talking clearly about Klay.
Speaker 4: And also congratulations to your brother and all the members
Speaker 4: of Congress who are on their way to Minneapolis for
Speaker 4: that fill hearing on Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Juior more on KBLA. When'll we come
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