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Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior looking forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty are breaking news are

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the fissures, the fractions that are taking place in the

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Republican MAGA coalition, both in the House of Representatives and

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the United States Senate House of Representatives is releasing a

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number of discharge petitions. That is, when Democrats and Republicans

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come together, they can bypass the normal processes for moving

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legislation forward in the House of Representatives. I suspect and

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we'll talk about it with our very special guest host

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host us in this hour that these Republicans have returned

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to Washington from a three week break a location, They've

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heard from their constituents, their premiums are going up in healthcare,

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and they are generally miserable and disappointed in the behavior

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of the Congress of the United States. Our very special

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guest in this hour is none other than Liz King.

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Liz served as the Senior Director of Education Equity Program

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at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, where

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she worked for over a decade, leading efforts to advance

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educational equity and advocate for policies that ensure every child

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has access to high quality education. Prior to her work

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at the Leadership Conference, she served as Senior Policy Associate

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for Education at the Children's Defense Fund, focusing on policy

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initiatives aimed at improving educational outcomes for underserved children. Liz,

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welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Is always so much, so great to

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be here, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm so honored that you hear Liz. Liz, I'm my

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one point about the idea that these Republicans went home

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for a fairly extended break and they heard from their constituents,

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and their constituents do not like what they're seeing going

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into the midterms.

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Speaker 2: I think absolutely what we're seeing here is the result

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of building your house on sand. And this is a

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movement that was built on the sand of prejudice and

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division and hatred. And not only does that corrode the personality,

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not only is that dangerous and damaging for the soul,

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but it does not pay the bills. So what we're

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seeing right here is exactly what Dubois told us. We

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are seeing the effects of this the fallacy of the

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wages of whiteness, and we are seeing that there is

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no amount of horror that you have brought to the

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lives of our immigrant neighbors, or fear that can be

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put in the lives of our trans neighbors, that will

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make groceries any less expensive, that will help people pay

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the rent, or that will help people pay for their

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health care. And so what I'm hoping, what I believe

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we're seeing is elected officials or being reminded that they

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need to be elected by constituents, and those constituents live

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in a world in which they have needs that deserve

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to be met, and these everyone deserves access to health care,

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and they have been trying to take health care away,

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They've been trying to make health care more expensive, and

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their constituents are saying, hey, look, we're tired of this.

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We want to be able to pay for health care.

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We want to make sure that our fansli taken care of.

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And I hope that we see within the MAGA movement

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this recognition that we're all going to have to come

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together and solve these problems that are facing everybody, because

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no matter your politics, you need to be able to

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go to the doctor. No matter your politics, you need

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to be able to take care of your elderly relatives

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and of your baby, Liz.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm finding in the three minutes that we

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have remaining in this segment before we come forward, that

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the politics of the economy are immensely local. That the

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Democratic talking points are obviously about inflation, about unemployment, about

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national memory. I hear candidates all across the country talking

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about the national politics, but in a real sense, these

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members of Congress came back to Washington and they heard

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from their constituents locally about eggs, about bacon, about grits,

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about Chitlin's, about cornbread, about the myriad of things that

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confront them. Am I right in suggesting that Democrats have

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to translate these messages into local politics so that they

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can be understood by the people.

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, all politics is now and will always

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be local. I mean that is the way that people

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live and experience the world is what the prices are

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at their grocery store, you know. And we're seeing this

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with the president, right He keeps trying to tell people

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prices are coming down, but they know that that is

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not consistent with the reality they're experiencing. And so we're

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watching him lie again and again and again, And I

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think it's becoming clearer how much of what he says

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is a great, big lie. Absolutely, it's about keeping things local.

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It's about reminding us one another that we are living

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in communities together with one another, and that and that

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we all deserve the same kind of things, and the

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way that looks in every community is a little bit different.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone actually believe Donald Trump goes grocery jobbing hell

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the carton of eggs or bacon, I mean, a man

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who thinks that he has a goldfinger or the gold touch.

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Does anyone who actually stands in the bullied pulpit of

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the residency of the United States, And here's Donald Trump

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talk about the quality and cost of living as being

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better under his administration than any president in the history

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of the United States. This, from your perspective, is that

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even believable?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: No, of course not, of course not. I mean this

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is an individual who doesn't know anything about the realities

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of everyday life. I mean, he doesn't know anything about

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what it is to help your third grader who's struggling

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to learn how to read, or help your eleventh grader

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who's figuring out whether or not they're going to get

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to go to college. He doesn't know anything about trying

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to make ends meet. He doesn't know anything about when

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there's more month than money. And I think that that

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is just becoming clearer and clearer all the time. People

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have been sold a false bill of goods, and you know,

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it's falling apart. This is a house built on sand.

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There's no there there. And I really hope what we

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see is people turning away and turning together, coming together

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in a movement that means true economic justice and shared

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prosperity for all of us. Absolutely, I hope that's where

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we're going in every community across the whole country.

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Speaker 1: I think you knocked it out of the park. More

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month than money. I think the American people clearly understand

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more month than money more When we come forward on

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the misery index that the American people are experiencing under

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the MAGA movement and under the leadership of President Donald

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John Trump, I'm Jesse Jackson, jor Ore. A very special

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guest today is Liz King Moore on KBLA Talk fifteen

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to eighty. When we come forward, Jesse for Jesse Jackson

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Junior Show, KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Our very special guest

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in this hour is none other than the incomparable Liz King. Liz,

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welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Congressman, always so much fun to be in conversation

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with you. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Would get a chance to see the bed chairman's presser.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I saw some of his statements earlier, but I didn't

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see the most recent presser. Now can you tell.

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Speaker 1: Us more about it? Just this most recent press conference

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seemed to suggest that the president Department of Justice probe

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is really not about any malfeasans in office or fraud,

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but that the President of the United States is pushing

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back on and pressuring the Federal Reserve Board to follow

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his directions on interest rates without taking into consideration any

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of the economic indicators that the FED usually weighs in

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making determinations or such for such judgments. I'm wondering, Liz,

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you know what your thoughts are about the president, about

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the White House, the President's power to interfere with the FED,

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which is normally an organization that has a its isolated

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if you will insulate it from presidential interference.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing this weaponized prosecution and the weaponized use

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of DOJ all over the place, right, I mean, what

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is surprising here is this is a very wealthy white

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man and that is not the usual target of this

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discriminatory prosecution that comes out of this Department of Justice usually, Right,

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it is black women who have the courage and good

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sense to stand up to the president, but certainly, I

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mean they The irony here is we are looking at

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a president seek to respond to very reasonable concern among

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the general public that the economy is not serving their interest.

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Now you talked about the misery index, and I think

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it's a good opportunity for us to think about what

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are those economic measures that really do matter to people?

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the idea of the president having even greater reach into

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the economy, that reach, which he has said so far

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has only had a disastrous consequence, and so sort of

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further influence on his part would only be worse for

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regular people. But it's an opportunity for us to think

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about what does our economy mean, what do our values

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mean in our economy? And what should what should people

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be able to expect and deserve within our economy.

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Speaker 1: The misery index is an economic indicator that measures the

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level of economic distress in a country by combining the

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unemployment rate the annual rate of inflation. Developed by economist

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Arthur o'coon in the nineteen seventies, higher index score indicates

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greater economic hardship for the average citizen. The index gained

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prominence during the periods of stagflation or high inflation and

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high unemployment, and has been used in political campaigns to

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evaluate economic performance. Is it likely that we're going to

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hear more in this campaign about the idea that people

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are more miserable than they were four years ago? And

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the reason I say that is this cost. I believe

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a candidate against Ronald Reagan in the eighties and election, well,

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are you better off now than you were four years ago?

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Are we better off now twelve months with Donald Trump

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than we were just thirteen months ago?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the world is a much harder

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place for everybody by every measure. And I think this

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is an important reminder, you know, to the degree that

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the lass of the Mega movement is that politicians have

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been insufficiently responsive to economic concern, economic anxiety, and the

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very real way in which our economy is not working

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for so many people in so many communities. This is

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a wake up call. There should be a wake up

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call to everyone. I think the New York mayor's race

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is a really, really good reminder that there are economic

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ideas out there that would create a more livable society

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for all of us. And it is those ideas that

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should be coming forward. It is those ideas that should

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be brought to bear. But I think anybody who fell

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for the lie that you know, Donald Trump said, hey,

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look I'm going to start more wars. I'm going to

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make life harder for your neighbor, but it's okay because

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your bills will go down. That that has been shown

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for the lie that it truly is. The bills are

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going up. Life is getting harder, and this is not

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the way we should be living as Americans.

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Speaker 1: This we have a clip that I'd like to play,

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Speaker 5: Speaking of suing the Trump and administration, the city of

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Chicago and the state of Illinois, and the state of Minnesota,

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and the cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis have all

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brought major lawsuits tonight against the Trump administration to try

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to stop the attack by Trump's federal agents on those

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states and those cities. Trump's attack on Minneapolis in particular

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has been absolutely chaotic and bizarre and totally incoherent, even

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more so in the wake of the killing of Renee

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Nicole Good last week by an ICE officer who last

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week shot her three times through her windshield and her

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been nuts in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 5: In this one Minneapolis home, these totally out of control,

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heavily armed officers broke down the door and rammed their

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way inside as the homeowner demanded to see a warrant

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allowing them to enter.

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Speaker 3: The Associated Press reporting.

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Speaker 5: Tonight that those agents didn't have a warrant from a

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judge authorizing their forced entry into a private residence, but

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they just did it anyway, into a home with kids inside,

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apparently completely disregarding any applicable law.

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Speaker 3: This was today in Minneapolis as well.

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Speaker 5: A man named Christian Molina, US citizen, was driving south

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Speaker 3: He says he inadvertently.

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Speaker 5: Made eye contact with an ICE officer who was lurking

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in an alley watching cars go by. The ICE agent

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then chased him and literally rammed his car into mister

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Molina rammed his car into mister Molina's vehicle, into the

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rear driver's side of his car, and then demanded that

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mister Molina show his papers.

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Speaker 3: Mister Molina is.

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Speaker 5: A US citizen, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune tonight quote.

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Speaker 3: The people who responded to that.

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Speaker 5: Scene included a Minneapolis City council member who told the

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paper that after mister Molina told the agents he knew

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his rights and that this was an illegal stop and

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he didn't need to show them anything. And after all

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those people poured into the street to support this guy,

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the agents, I kid you not, what did they do?

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and then ran away. That was their contribution to public

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order and safety in South Minneapolis today. Here's another standoff

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from this weekend. A woman in Minneapolis ordered door dash

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and ice apparently chased the woman doing the delivery for DoorDash,

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chased her into the customer's home where she was dropping

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off the food because she works for DoorDash. The homeowner,

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in a fit of righteous rage, absolutely stood her ground

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and told Ice that they were not coming into her

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home to get this woman, that they needed a warrant

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to do it, and if they didn't have that warrant,

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she was not letting them in. And she called the

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cops on them, and she called her neighbors, and her

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neighbors came out, and everybody was standing there blowing whistles

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and yelped.

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Speaker 1: Liz, It's clear that the federal agents who ripped, who

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are represented by the Customs Enforcement Agency, have not been

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taught how to mirandize people, have ignored the Constitution of

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the United States. They are not reading people their rights.

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They are a gang in just about every municipality in

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the nation terrorizing people. Liz. Your initial thoughts, Liz, I

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think you have to unmute yourself, Liz, We've.

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Speaker 2: Gotten this far without that from no. Two things I

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want to just uplift from this that are the good

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part of this right two things. One thing I heard

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in that clip is how many people in Minneapolis know

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their rights. They know what the Constitution says, and we

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know throughout the course of American history. It is that knowledge.

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It is that power of the Constitution in people's hands

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that has enabled them to push back, and then I

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think the other big piece here is the power of coalition.

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that is causing, that is prompting this reaction. Is this frustration,

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this recognition of how transformatively powerful coalition is. But it

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is absolutely terrifying to watch this, to know that children

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are seeing this, to see this idea that a neighbor

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has to choose what is the safest course of action,

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whether to exercise their rights or not. And you know,

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you know, I like to take it back to the

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history and just going back to the Illinois and the

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Minnesota lawsuits. What that makes me think of is the

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reaction to the Fugitive Slave Act. Right, The Fugitive Slave

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Act was an example where states had decided they were

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going to respect the human dignity and the constitutional rights

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of their residence. They were going to outlaw slavery. And

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you had Southern states had a national federal law that

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sought to apply the requirement of enslaving to those those

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free states. And it was that that precipitated the Civil War.

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And I really hope that's not where we're going. And

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I don't think that's where we need to go. But

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we are being reminded that there are a few instances

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in American history where states have shown up and said

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no to the federal government and yes to the constitutional

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rights and human dignity of their people. And I am

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so proud of Illinois and Minnesota for what they're doing

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and the way that they're showing up.

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Speaker 1: In your opinion, Liz, do you think and I know

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we have just about five minutes before we come forward

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for our larger break, I'm wondering if MAGA understands that

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in the midterm elections they are going to have to

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own the behavior of ICE in municipalities and in rural

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areas across our country. Do you think they understand that?

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Speaker 2: Look, I would say, Congressman, this brings us back to

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the conversation we were having a while ago about the

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chief of staff at the White House. I think we're

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going to see more and more of them abdicate responsibility.

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They are going to do what has always happened when

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you have these oppressive regimes. Individual people will try and

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wash their hands of it. They'll try and say, oh,

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I didn't know. They'll try and say, oh, I didn't

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have anything to do with that. Or in the case

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of the White House Chief of Staff, they'll say, well,

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I had advised against that. I think we are going

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to see they're increasingly there is a realization they are

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on the wrong side of history. They will be held accountable.

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Not only will they be held accountable at the gates

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with Saint Peter, but they will be held accountable in

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their own lifetime for the actions that they are involved in.

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And I think for those who voted for this president,

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whatever their motivation, there is a chance in the midterms,

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we've all got to get out there. We've all got

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to shut this down. We've got to end this MAGA movement.

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We've got to reclaim our dignity, our values as Americans,

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our unity, and our civilization because that is what is

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being taken from us by these thugs.

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Speaker 1: At some point in time, Liz, I want to shift

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to the international space because I think that the United

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States is losing significant ground in terms of its international

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cooperation with governments around the world. The President has now

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shifted his attention to Greenland, clearly isolating Europe and threatening

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the NATO alliance. Your initial thoughts on the possible unraveling

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of NATO led by the Maga movement.

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Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, exporting this thuggery is terrible and what

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I hope we are going to see. You know, what

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this keeps making me think of is the way in

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which black leaders have historically appealed to the United Nations

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to intervene when the United States, the federal government or

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state governments were acting against the human rights of people

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in the United States. Now what we're seeing is an

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effort to export this thuggery to other countries. I think

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the idea nobody, the idea that anyone would walk away

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from the history of the twentieth century and think that

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war is a good idea and we should do more

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of that. I mean, it is the United Nations. You know.

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The beginning we saw of this was the dismantling of USAID,

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the dismantling of the United States role as a moral

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leader in helping to meet the needs of people in

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countries who are facing the most challenging situations a human

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being can ever be in. And that is a self

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interested move by the United States to prevent starvation and

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to ensure that people's human needs are being met, as

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well as a moral responsibility. I mean, this nuggery we're

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seeing on the global stage. It's embarrassing and it is dangerous,

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and it is going to make the world and the

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country less safe for all of us.

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Speaker 1: I heard one of the most outrageous press conferences I

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ever heard this week as well, when Stephen Miller exited

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the White House and essentially said that might makes right

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and that the United States is under an obligation in

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this space to exercise its mighty, full military power to

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enforce its will on governments in our hemisphere and around

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the world. Obviously, that is deeply that is deeply troubling,

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and there is there is a day of reckoning that

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is coming to the United States for this behavior.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Stephen Miller Laban's realm agenda is terrifying. And

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this is not where this is. We as a world

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are moving towards democracy, We're moving towards inclusion, We're moving

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towards peace and away from war and away from thuggishness.

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And I think what we're seeing here is a reaction

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to that. We're seeing Stephen Miller is trying to make

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global conquest great again. And that is not the story

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that we know. That is not the story that we tell.

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Their heroes are the villains, and I think that's what

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is being most important here for us to remember. They

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are idolizing the wrong people. They are celebrating the wrong values.

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We need American values of peace, equality and equal opportunity,

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and that is not what this agenda is about.

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Speaker 1: I am more confident than ever that if Democrats and

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progressives are not listening to our leadership at this hour,

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we're going to have some profound problems. Because the opportunity

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is ours. We're going to have to have stopgap measures,

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literally take control of the House of Representatives in the

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midterms in order to stop the President of the United States.

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He already says, you're going to impeach me. They're going

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to impeach me. Yeah, we're going to impeach him. I'm

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Jesse Jackson Junior. Other than Liz King on KBLA. I'm

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Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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Our a very special guest in this hour is none

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other than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Always good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Liz. Please forgive me for that brief technical difficulty. Liz,

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I want to go back to this issue of the

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unraveling of MAGA. Is there anything that Trump can do

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surprisingly to keep the MAGA coalition together at this hour?

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Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. I think that this

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group of people has stuck together and stuck by him

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despite all They've paid for it for a long time,

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and so I'm not sure what will happen. But what

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I do know is that the underlying you know, the

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house of sand on which this house has built, these

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underlying values are wildly unpopular, and that the overwhelming majority

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of people in this country want the opportunity to live

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in a multi racial democracy, to live peacefully, to have

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their own rights and the rights of their neighbors respected,

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to be able to meet their own basic needs, and

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live in a community in which other people's basic needs

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are being met. And so maybe what we're seeing now

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is a realization that they've been sold a false bill

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of goods. And maybe what we're seeing now is a

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more vocal opposition by the largely unheard majority here that

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is not represented, never has been, by the values of

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the so called values of the Mega Movement. And I

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hope what we're seeing is the beginning of the end.

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I think, you know, in the last several years, there

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have been fits and starts, and fits and starts, but

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there are too many who've stood by him for too long,

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and I really do hope that's coming to an end.

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Speaker 1: Do you see anything coming together on the other side

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of the aisle that suggests Democrats can capitalize from the

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unraveling of Mega, Well.

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Speaker 2: What I hope we're going to see is that politicians

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across the political spectrum recommit themselves to core American values

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of equal opportunity and non discrimination and frankly democracy. I

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hope what we see as a commitment to economic justice

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and equal opportunity. And I think the question now is

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whether Democrats are going to show up for that agenda.

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And we have seen some tremendous, courageous leadership by Democrats,

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and I hope we see more of that. I hope

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that becomes the defining central theme of the party, that

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when you are building your house on rock, when you

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are anchored, you are clear about your values, You're clear

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what you stand to stand for. I think it is

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easier to move forward, and it's easier to move forward together.

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And I hope we hear a lot more talk about

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what it means to be an American what it means

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to believe in our democracy.

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Speaker 1: When we think about the Mamdani race, the New Jersey race,

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the Virginia race, and so of the subsequent campaigns that

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have taken place, there does seem to be more interest

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on the progressive center left side of the political ledger

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in engaging primary elections as well as general elections than normal.

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Do you agree with that, Liz.

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Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is it's a very very

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challenging time in our country, and so a bunch of

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people are putting forward a bunch of different ideas. And

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what I am feeling most encouraged about is the times

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when we see that the democracy still works. The democracy

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is still functioning. And what I hope is that we

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hear messages from every candidate that reflect a commitment to democracy,

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equal opportunity, and economic justice. You know, whether that comes

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in the form of primaries or general elections, or however

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it plays out. I want to see every candidate running

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for office tell us how they will commit to constitutional rights,

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how they will ensure that everyone's life gets a little

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bit better. I think that's going to be the real question.

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Wether that takes primary challenges or only happens in the general.

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Those contrasts who's with us and who's against us? I

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think is going to be really important, because we the

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American people, deserve better. We deserve better than what's happening

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right now, and I hope we see public officials coming

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forward with a commitment to offer a better vision and

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a better way forward, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, speaking of better vision. What I'm learning and what

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I'm hearing and what I understand is everyone is running

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against Donald Trump. I get that, but not many people

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are distinguishing themselves within the democratic process of what it

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is that they stand for. What is the alternative to

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Project twenty twenty five. What are we going to undo

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that Trump has made a disaster out of What are

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the problems that have to be solved as a result

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of a democratic victory? And I'm not quite clear on that.

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I know that in large measure, the Affordable Care Act

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is a big, big piece of that. But I'm not

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hearing from Democrats a comprehensive agenda to return the federal

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government to some sense of normalcy, given that Donald Trump

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has taken a sledgehammer to the entire idea.

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Speaker 2: Of a federal Yeah, what I hope we see is

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the civil and human rights community coming together and leading

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us forward to the next chapter. And that I hope

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we see elected officials falling in line behind that vision.

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And this is a vision the civil and human rights

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community has been advocating for for more than one hundred years,

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because we know, even before the destruction and the burning

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down of the Trump administration, our government was not doing

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enough for all of us. Our government was not doing

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enough to ensure a level playing field and that everyone

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had a fair chance. And so what I hope we

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see as politicians lining up, joining hand in hand with

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communities to say, we are now committing ourselves to an

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affirmive vision of the future that is about equal opportunity,

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that is about everyone having a chance to get ahead,

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about everyone having their needs met and living peaceably side

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by side with diverse neighbors and diverse neighborhoods. And I

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hope we see that. I hope we see politicians lining up,

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and I expect to see the leadership coming from the

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civil and human rights community as it always has to

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paint a path forward. I mean, really, this is the

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conscience of the nation we're talking about, and now is

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about time for us to have some conscience.

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Speaker 1: Liz, I wanted to broach the subject matter in the

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final segment of our show, but it might as well

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broach it now. What happened to Renee Good is a

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turning moment, a turning point. I believe in the American

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people's understanding of the cruelty of the Trump administration, the

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quick response, the lack of an investigation. Christy Nome, as

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well as the president and vice presidents statements with respect

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to what we obviously saw on the video not an

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attempt to hurt an ICE agent, just the attempt of

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a mother of a spouse to move on with her day.

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Your thoughts on Christino, I'm sorry your thoughts on Renee Good.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is just such an awful

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moment for the country. And I think you know, I

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what immediately came to my to mind for me was Goodwin, Chorner,

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and Cheney, and that was the three voting rights workers

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who were lynched in Mississippi. And it was just an awful,

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awful point in the civil rights movement. And I think,

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you know, part of part of what we have to

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keep in mind, there was a reminder that we cannot

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we cannot be more outraged by violence against white people

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than we are by violence against black and brown people.

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But what I think we're seeing here is a call

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to action for everyone in every community to show up

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with their neighbors, to show up in unity and love

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and respect, a commitment to our constitutional American values of

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equal opportunity. It's just horrific. It is horrific what happened.

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She deserved to go home and be with her child

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that day. That's what everyone deserves every day. They don't

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deserve to be kidnapped off the street. They don't I

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don't deserve to be roughed up by these thugs who

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call themselves law enforcement. They deserve better than that. We

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all deserve better than what is happening right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson

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Junior Show on k BLA Talk fifteen eighty. We have

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this king on Tenacious Tuesday. She is a regular contributor

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on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show. And I am particularly

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excited that that her mind, that her spirit and her

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body is here with us on every other Tuesday. Because

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of the extraordinary contribution that she makes and keeps us

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informed in Washington, d C. What's taking place in our

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country and our world. More on the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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When we came come forward on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty,

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I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Garrison.

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Our very special guest in this hour is none other

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than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Congressman. Always great to.

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Speaker 3: Be here, Liz.

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Speaker 1: Let's stay on the national stage for just a moment.

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The first president ever the bomb eight country in less

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than a year, and I'm deeply concerned about the unrest

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that is taking place in Iran and just how destabilizing

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that could ultimately be.

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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, listen, I think what we're seeing is that

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the demand of people to be free, to be to

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feed their children, to have security, to have safety, to

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have freedom, to have opportunity, transcends time and place, and

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I think we're seeing that in Iran. Now, we're seeing

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the people of Iran are showing up and pushing back

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against the conditions they've been subjected to for far too long.

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I think we're seeing that, you know, we saw that

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in the Arab Spring we have seen that in Hungary

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and the resistance to the anti LGBTQ movement in Hungary

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in the way in which the Hungarian people have pushed

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back against that, and I think we are being reminded

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of the insistence, the persistence, the determination of people to

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be free in all places. And I think that that

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comes back here too. What we are seeing is people

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walking away from the MAGA movement, people realizing that this

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is a movement that is about control and oppression. It's

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about making life harder, not easier. It's about taking away

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and making the rich richer and the poor poorer. And

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I think we're being reminded that we are one people

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on this planet and what we want as human beings.

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I mean, this is the language of human rights, that

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what we want as human beings transcends our time and place.

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And what I hope for is that there will be

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an opportunity. You know, there's that quote.

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Speaker 4: That that JFK always use.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you make nonviolent resistance impossible, you make

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violent revolution inevitable. And what I hope we see is

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a nonviolent transition to democracy across the globe, including in

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our own country.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't agree more that the movement, the

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winds of change are moving throughout societies around our country

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and around our world. The people are pushing back. They

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are fighting back against authoritarianism in Iran, they are fighting

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back against authoritarianism around the world, and even what might

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have been meant or bad by Donald Trump in some areas,

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it's turning out for good because the people are beginning

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to express themselves and rise up and take responsibility for

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their own lives and for their own actions. I should

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share with you that, given all that the Middle East

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has been through since October seventh, a destabilized Iran will

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also play very well into the hands of the Israelis.

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Your thoughts on this critical issue, Liz.

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Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is that the determination what

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you know, what King told us, is that peace is

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not merely the absence of tension, is the presence of justice,

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and that people will never people will only live with

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injustice for but so long. And we need to create

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conditions that enable people to elect their leaders to determine

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their own future. We need to create a scenario you know,

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in which you know, freedom is just another word for

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nothing left to lose. We need to be in a

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situation in which people can be hopeful and have a

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future and they can turn away from violence. More violence,

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more killing is terrifying. It is terrifying in any place,

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and certainly the Middle East is a region that has

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had far more than its fair share of violence and

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oppression for far too long. These are people entitled to

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self determination and equal opportunity, the same as people in

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every corner of the globe. And what I hope we

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see is a transition to a United States government that

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is a friend.

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Speaker 1: Can you offer us a word of hope?

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Speaker 2: I think what we're being told right now is in

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a world with Christy Noman, Donald Trump, be good. Every

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day every one of us has the opportunity to show

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up for our neighbors, to straighten our own backs, to

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be a force for good, for peace, for justice and

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equal opportunity. And I think that is what we are

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all called to do, is to be good.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've been reading Beyond Vietnam, a speech that

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Martin Luther King delivered in nineteen sixty seven, and I

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think this revolutionary revolution of values that doctor King talked

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about in that speech, as we turned the corner towards

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his ninety seventh birthday on January fifteenth. I'm reminded that

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he said that young black men in the ghettos and

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neighborhoods of our nation had come up to him and

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they had said, doctor King, you're asking us to be nonviolent,

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but what about Vietnam? And Doctor King said it essentially

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froze him in his steps. He said that he knew

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at that moment that he could no longer speak with

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integrity on the question of nonviolence without commenting on the

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greatest purveyor of violence in the world, the US government.

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And this was in nineteen sixty seven. And if there's

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ever been a case for just how violent, overtly and

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covertly the United States government can truly be, of course

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the great tragedy being in the name of the American people,

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which means that whatever the US government does, it means

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that Liz King and I and those of you within

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listening range of my voice, wherever we travel in the world,

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the perception is that we condone the behavior of the

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United States. And that's why these militias are now showing

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up in Venezuela looking for American citizens and looking for Americans,

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because the world that we live in today is a

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lot less safe as a result of the idea that

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we've not given thought to the end that we seek,

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knowing full well that how we behave on the international

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stage has impacts for Americans abroad, Americans at home, and

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Americans all over our world in a real sense, Martin

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Luther King Junior. Liz was absolutely right that we find

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ourselves trapped in an inescapable bond of mutuality. What makes

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Liz King the very best that she can be also

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makes me the very best that I can be. And

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when I'm at my very best, Liz King can also

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be at her very best. And therefore, when we turn

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to each other and not on each other, we bring

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people together and we thrive together. Liz, I'm so grateful

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that you joined us for this hour on the Jesse

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Jackson Junior Show, indeed your show on Tenacious Tuesdays. Thank

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you for being with us, Liz, Thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much. Congressman, can't wait for next time.

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Speaker 1: I can't wait as well. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're

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on the Jay Lunch Club Jesse Jackson Junior on Tenacious

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Tuesdays with Liz King and up next of course, none

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other than the Great Attorney Barbara arnwot More on KBLA

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talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward right here,

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I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Listening

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to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on tenacious Tuesday. And

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I was thinking and reflecting upon our conversation with Liz King.

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And I was also reflecting upon a speech that Martin

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Luther King Junior delivered on April fourth, nineteen sixty seven,

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at Manhattan's Riverside Church. And in this moment, I'm saying

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to myself self, is it a time to break our silence?

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Is it a time to break our silence? The title

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of the speech that Martin Luther King Junior delivered on

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that occasion beyond Vietnam, A time to break Silence. Doctor

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King gave considerable reflection to the idea that clergymen politicians

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in nineteen sixty seven, many of them were running for office,

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particularly the politicians. There was a nineteen sixty eight presidential

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election year. Clergymen were joining the Democrats, and some were

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exercising their rights supporting candidates for president of the United States.

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It would be in that context, of course, at the

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democratic nomination or through the democratic nomination process, that Bobby

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Kennedy would lose his life at the hands of Sir

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Hann Sir Han and Doctor King a few short months later,

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would lose his life after Bobby Kennedy. Before Bobby Kennedy

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had lost his life, remember, Bobby Kennedy broke the news

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that Martin Luther King Junior had been assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.

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So it was a season of death and Martin Luther

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King Junior in April, about a year or so before

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he died, he began raising this question that we have

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to break our silence, and for his position on the

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Vietnam War, he was criticized by black clergymen, by black

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elected officials, who Doctor King talks about in the speech

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by saying that during a time of war, it is

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very difficult to not be supportive of your own nation.

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Doctor King says that heightened senses of patriotism are a

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factor in national support for our sons and daughters that

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we have sent as a nation into harm's way. I

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say that with a caveat when the Congress of the

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United States that being authorizes a war on behalf of

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their constituents and on behalf of the American people. The

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heat and the pressure has come from the people to

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their representatives for the need to go to war. But

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unilateral actions by a sovereign, from my perspective, are not

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the same. And so the moment is propitious for us

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to be able to break our silence that our men

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and women, that our weapons are being used without the

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authorization of the Congress of the United States, that our

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men and women are in harm's way, and our children,

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that this is not activity that has been authorized by

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Congress nor supported by the American people. Therefore, immediately leaving

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before us the question, at what point in time is

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it a time for us to break our silence? That

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the activities themselves in Greenland, in Venezuela, the threats in Colombia,

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the threats to Cubans launching rockets into Nigeria, the role

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of the United States is undoubtedly playing in Iran, the

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security for Palestinians, and the security for Israelis in the

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Middle East. The question is at what point in time

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are we going to break our silence? And so I've

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been struggling. Just before I bring our tenacious guest, Barbara

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Arnweine into the program, probably at the next break. I've

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been struggling with this idea that beyond Vietnam needs to

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be upgraded to include something like beyond Venezuela. What kind

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of world in our silence are we building and what

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message are we sending to progressive movements around the world

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when we are silent? Is it that we are frozen

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by the behavior of the United States of America that

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we could have never imagined that a president would seek

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to shape the entire world order unilaterally. He told us

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this is what he was going to do, and no

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one wants to say, I told you so, But we

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did tell you so. Kamala told us so. Remember back

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when Democrats were squabbling over who should succeed Joe Biden.

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Lest should we forget just about a year and a

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half ago, we had a Democratic national convention where who

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would lead the Democratic Party was a factor in the

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national conversation, not fully appreciating all that was at stake.

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If last November Donald Trump was elected President of the

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United States, a time to break our silence. I have

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read as high as seventeen percent of the black mail

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vote in the last election went to Donald Trump and today,

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only six percent of African American men find favor with

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Donald Trump. There is evidence on the horizon that the

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time to break our silence is upon us, and I

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want us to reflect some point in time during the

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course of this week, before the official birthday celebration of

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Martin Luther King Junior, maybe on Johnny Max's Show and

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the World House, not just about beyond Vietnam, but beyond Venezuela.

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What is the revolution of values that we must go

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through as a nation in order to build a beloved community.

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I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to Tenacious Tuesday on

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Tuesdays on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward,

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Barbara Arnwine will join us our most tenacious guest. More

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when we come forward on KLA I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome

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forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk

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fifteen eighty. And before I bring on our very special guest,

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I want to give a shout out to the sisters

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of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority on the occasion of their

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founder day. Extraordinary sorority founded in nineteen thirteen, very productive

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and important organization within the African American community of professional women,

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Happy Founders Day. Our very special guest in this hour

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is none other than Tenacious contributor Attorney Barbara Arnwine, President

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and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, Internationally renowned for

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contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of the

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landmark Civil Rights Act of nineteen ninety one and the

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two thousand and six reauthorization of provisions of the Voting

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Rights Act. Barbara, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior

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Show and Tenacious Tuesdays your muted Barbara.

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Speaker 4: It's great to be here. Thank you for having.

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Speaker 1: Me, Barbara. I was sharing just before you came on

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the program that Martin Luther King Junior preached at Riverside

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Church Beyond Vietnam A time to break silence? Barbara, Is

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this the time to break our silence?

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Speaker 4: Absolutely? And I want to commend the millions of people

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who jumped into the streets this last weekend. They were

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in the streets on the ninth, They were in the

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streets on the tenth, They were in the streets a

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lot on the eleventh, you know, protesting ice, protesting the

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invasion of Venezuela, the threats against these other nations protesting,

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and I want to command every person because it was

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called out there. I'm sorry, y'all. It was cold in Minneapolis,

790
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it was cold even in DC. But people showed up

791
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anyway because they were that angered, that distressed by our

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nation and the actions that have been taken by this

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Trump administration. Folks, mark your calendars down January the twentieth,

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the day after MLK Day. Nationally, January the twentieth is

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the nationwide walk out on Fascism. It is the first

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anniversary of the Trump administration, and it is a protest

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of all the unconstitutional, vicious, and evil deeds that this

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administration has done. And we're asking everyone to please take

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to the streets, walk out of your job, walk out

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of your school, walk out of whatever you're doing. At

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two o'clock PM Eastern. Two o'clock pm Eastern, we're asking

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people to leave your places of employment from and we're

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having a two hour walk out from two until four,

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and if you want to go longer, start earlier in

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the early later. Fantastic. You can get a lot of

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information by about this walkout from the Women's March from

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Dcproject dot org and I will give even more contacts

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as we talk. But it's critical that we the people

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continue to show our opposition to this nonsense. I mean,

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think about this, most of us. You know, a lot

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of people just became aware of Renee you know, Nicole

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good because of her vicious murder that was caught on video.

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Thank God for the people who video. Keep on video

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in people, keep on video. Please please don't ever stop

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doing that, because it's the only way we can refute

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the lies of the government and the lies of officials.

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We need you to keep doing that. But when people

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became aware of Renee Good, Goods slave and saw the

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lies that were told by Christy Nolan, I mean, just

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straight up lies. But that's what fashionsts do. They lie,

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and that's what this administration has done. It lies every day.

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I said that if they couldn't if they couldn't lie,

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they wouldn't be able to talk. That's how bad their

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lying is. I'm serious. And they they I mean they,

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I mean, they would have nothing to say because all

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they do is lie. And I think that the great

827
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thing here is that people were able to see it

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for themselves and from all the different angles, uh, you know,

829
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and we're able to see it for themselves, and they

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heard that comment that Trump dvanced and nobody else will

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talk about uh. And that is the comment at the

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after he shot her, that F and B word that

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he said, come on now, No, I made.

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Speaker 2: Him say that that's correct.

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Speaker 4: He was under note threat, had already killed the poor woman,

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her car had already crashed, and he's up there celebrating,

837
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said F and B. Well, but I mean, come on, father.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen government of for and by the people

839
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more tone deaf to the needs, to the marches, to

840
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the way in which dissent is being expressed about their behavior,

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quite like I've seen in the last eleven almost twelve

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months of the Trump administration. Is it your opinion that

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if the branches of government were more divided, that is,

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if Democrats regained control of Congress, that the administration may

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be less tone deaf. I know that there is a

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movement of foot impeachment articles. Some have even talked about

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bringing or for Secretary nome Y. There are others who

848
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have advanced impeachment articles already, including Congressman Al Green or

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President of the United States administration officials. Is that the key?

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Speaker 4: I think, first of all, let's step back a little

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bit on your question, because the first issue is I

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don't think they are a governmant for we the people.

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They are a government for we the wrinch, we the

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all of guards, we the racist, we the uh you know,

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we the greedy. But they are not for we the people.

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I mean, he makes that clearingity all the time. He

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talks about blue and red states, about how he's gonna

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persecute the Blue states, and uh, so he's made it

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clear that he does not see himself as a president

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of all the people. He never talks about being a

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president of all the people. In fact, every time he speaks,

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he's going after some divide. So mally's, some Mally's who

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are living in our country are are the enemy. He

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goes at and won't talk about all these billionaire and frosters.

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Come on, now, I want to talk. I mean, won't

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talk about you know who put asie content on the

867
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on the streets. It wasn't who you think it was.

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It was rich folks. Uh and they are richer because

869
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of it. None of them have gone to jail. Come on,

870
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and there's just all these realities that and and who

871
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did he uh pardon he pardoned the biggest drug lord

872
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in the history of bringing tons and tons of drugs

873
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into these United States. He doesn't care about we the people,

874
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that's the reality. He only cares about we the oliguards.

875
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He only wants to make his people richer. Why is

876
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he threatening Jerome Powell? Come on, what is Jerome Powell?

877
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The head of the Federal Reserve mad at him because

878
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he won't do what he wants to do to help,

879
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you know, benefit his rich people. Uh So, folks, this

880
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is this is terrible. We are in a Uh this

881
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is what oligarchs do. Oli Arts invade other non nations

882
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to get their rare earth minerals, their natural resources. Oligarchs,

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uh say, you know, put uh police in the streets

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and have law enforcement terrorized neighborhoods so people can be

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their lives can be destroyed. Oligarchs do this all because

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all they want and all they see is the bottom

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line house their money growing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I find it fascinating the point that you made,

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and I wanted to kind of go back and unpack

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it for just a moment. That oxycotton, oxy codone, whatever

891
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you want to get, Yes, is a prescription medication.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And these doctors were pushing these drugs. They were dealers,

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and it resulted in the depths of hundreds, maybe even

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thousands of people, thousands of thousands, old prosecutions. None Now,

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fentanyl wherever it's coming from Mexico, South America, where it's

897
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disputed that it even is it is constructed there. Some

898
00:54:11,639 --> 00:54:14,599
have suggested that the raw materials might be there, but

899
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that it's ultimately constructed here in the United States. Yes, fentanyl, crack, cocaine,

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and Barbara. Also, when the crack cocaine epidemic came, we

901
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prosecuted not only crack dealers but crack addicts and we

902
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locked them up. But on the question of fentanyl, this

903
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is a health crisis, and the health crisis isn't locking

904
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up people who are addicted to fentanyl. The US government

905
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is trying to find them help and try to find

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help for the crack babies.

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Speaker 4: And what about Iran Contra? Has everybody forgotten about Iran Contra?

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Speaker 1: California, Los Angeles is real familiar with free right, free way.

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Speaker 4: Hey, I mean, come on, folks, where where what was

910
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Iran country about? It was the c i A and

911
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the FBI purposefully bringing drugs, cocaine and crack into this country, uh,

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purposefully so that they could run their side illegal operations

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the money, right, right, Come on, I mean, I mean, folks,

914
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you know, government has to be held accountable. If you

915
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don't hold government accountable, then government would run amok. Uh

916
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you know, uh, you know, ultimate absolute power corrupts this.

917
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It is corruptive, There's no doubt about it. And uh

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and this man wants to be a dictator and he

919
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won't have absolute power. And he is uh. Sadly, as

920
00:55:54,559 --> 00:55:58,559
I keep pointing out, he is not. He is not

921
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in the best mental state. And if he were competent

922
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and was this evil, it would be a problem. But

923
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it's really horrendous when you have somebody who is showing

924
00:56:13,159 --> 00:56:19,679
so many signs of incompetence that you have you know this,

925
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you have this, you know, horrific threat, because then there's

926
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no reason, no way to reason with him.

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Speaker 1: I do want to pick back up on that. The

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narco traffickers, Yes, because there's an entire generation of Americans

929
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who have no appreciation of what we learned in Iran

930
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contract and that is the role of our government in

931
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,840
cutting deals with narco traffickers to allow them to sell

932
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drugs in the United States exactly in exchange for arms

933
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and most of us and for those of us Barbara

934
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who experienced and lived through that period. Yes, it's hard

935
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for us to imagine that Narco africas that Donald Trump

936
00:57:01,559 --> 00:57:07,280
is assassinating and arresting don't have a story to tell

937
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,679
about the work they've been doing with the US government.

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Speaker 4: Tell many decades, Tell me and and just you know, folks,

939
00:57:15,039 --> 00:57:20,960
understand your congress appropriate funds too, you know, to all

940
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,119
for all of our federal operations. And what happens is

941
00:57:25,159 --> 00:57:28,000
when they want to go off the book and they

942
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:31,639
don't want to be responded with, they don't want to

943
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:36,719
use congressional funds, federal funds, then they they did this

944
00:57:37,039 --> 00:57:41,400
on narco trafficking. And where did they funnel all of

945
00:57:41,719 --> 00:57:45,119
this cocaine and this crack cocaine and all the rest

946
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of it. Where't they send it? Black communities? Black communities.

947
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Speaker 1: It's a dark budget. It's a black budget. It's a

948
00:57:52,559 --> 00:57:58,599
budget that's over at the intelligence agencies, is off budget,

949
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,280
and it is unlimited. And the hole is so deep. Yep,

950
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:06,280
you can't find an accounting process for the amount of

951
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:07,559
money they spend in this space.

952
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 4: It's all all hidden, all off. I mean, it's just

953
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a mess, folks. And that's why, you know, we have

954
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:20,360
to be cynical, uh and skeptical and questioning when we

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hear all of these alleged, you know, concerns about drug dealing.

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They're not concerned about drug dealing. I mean, you know,

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the folks, very folks who are talking about that are

958
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slurring their words. Uh up there, you know all the

959
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time because they've been using you know what, cocaine. Come on, folks,

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don't fall for this.

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Speaker 1: When can we expect the Clay decision. It's the Clay

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decisions coming down tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, I said, it's very probable. I mean

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it's a good sixty percent chance or more.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes in the not too distant future, we'll be looking

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at the decision on the voting right teck.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the Supreme Court has announced that they have an

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opinion day for tomorrow. Remember that the State of Louisiana

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asked for a decision by January thirteenth, and there will

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be a decision out on January fourteenth. And remember the

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way the court works is that they never said an

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opinion day until they actually have an opinion.

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Speaker 1: To release Barbara. I'm just we're gonna do this and

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just a moment, I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to

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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more Barbara Arnwine when we come

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forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on TBLA Talk

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fifteen to eighty, our very special guest in this hour

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is our most tenacious guest, Attorney Barbara Arnwine is the

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founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, And just before the break,

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I did have a question for Barbara about the Louisiana

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versus Clay decision. Barbara, before we go into a deeper

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unpacking of the Kalaid decision and the possibility that it

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will be released tomorrow, will you share with our listeners

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what the decision is all about.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's very likely, very possible it could be released tomorrow.

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The court is sitting on you know, two really big cases,

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Klay and the tariff case. Uh, and it's gonna be

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one of them for sure. Are both Uh, that's called

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the court rolls. So I just want everyone to know

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that Louisiana versus Klay is a direct threat to African

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American Latino Native American voting power, that it is a

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case that says basically that the creation of a black

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voting majority black voting district in response to years of

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racial discrimination and voting by the state of Louisiana, uh

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is would be that they're saying, they're arguing that it's

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unconstitutional and that it is a quote racial jerrymandering bandar.

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So wait a minute. So come on, folks. If somebody

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steals your car and you know who it is, and

999
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,199
you know that they planned the theft, they carried out

1000
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the theft, what do you want. You want compensation? Right,

1001
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:22,760
what kind of compensation do you want? You want your car.

1002
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You want the value in your car and the return

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to your car. And so when somebody steals your vote

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and says that you cannot elect the choice because we

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have drawn the maps that only white people can be

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elected from these districts, then your remedy is to have

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a district that is constructed where blacks can possibly elect

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a candidate of their choice. And so that was the remedy,

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a remedy, It was a remedy for past discrimination. But

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quote non blacks, you know, fouvel lawsuits saying this is

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unfair to us because you know we're being denied. Uh

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you know, our right to UH to you know, be

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free of discrimination, because this means blacks get you know,

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certain rights, and that's unfair under the UH you know,

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under our view of the constitution. All of this nonsense.

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So it is so important for us to understand that

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you who do you have as Chief Justice in the

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United States? You got John Roberts. What has John Roberts

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built his career on his opposition to the Voting Rights Act.

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This is also a case where they're arguing that the

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Voting Rights Act itself created out of the shed blood

1022
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of African Americans and whites and everybody else who marched

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for that Voting Rights Act. They're saying that that act

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is unconstitutional, unconstitutional. Why why, okay, everybody, get ready, why

1025
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is it unconstitutional? They're saying it's unconstitutional because there's no

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more racial discrimination than voting.

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Speaker 1: M and maybe the number one factor associated with voting

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is race itself. That any people step into a poll

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specifically looking for a certain kind of congressman, you've got

1030
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it who speaks to their issues, who looks like them,

1031
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who experiences the same experiences that they've experienced.

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Speaker 4: Parb.

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Speaker 1: We got a couple more questions around this Kalay decision. Yes,

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vision was the State of Louisiana said that they liked

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the decision to be rendered by win.

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Speaker 4: January thirteenth, which would have been yesterday today, right today.

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Speaker 1: So we could be looking at a decision any moment now,

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but certainly sometime possibly this week. If the Court has

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a decision, well, the.

1040
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Speaker 4: Court only the Court announces his opinion days. There's no

1041
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:01,159
quote surprise opinion days. They announced them advance and they

1042
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have announced that the next opinion day will be tomorrow. Okay,

1043
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so at ten o'clock tomorrow, all eyes will be trained

1044
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on the court.

1045
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Speaker 1: So the worst two scenario if the Court strikes down

1046
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Section two of the Voting Rights Act, Yes, and therefore

1047
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strikes down I would assume the Cleopheels Congressional District in

1048
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the State of Louisiana.

1049
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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Can you share with us your thoughts on the ripple

1051
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effect of that decision.

1052
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Speaker 4: We don't have to think fair vote and black voters.

1053
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:37,280
Matters has done an amazing report that shows that we

1054
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could lose as many as nineteen people of colored from

1055
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:47,960
the Congress, especially African American congressional officials. That we could

1056
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,280
lose one hundred and ninety one districts that have been

1057
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:57,440
that are drawn that are doubinly African American, and so

1058
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if they go overbroad on using this, we could have

1059
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that immediate effect. But worse than that, every time there's

1060
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discrimination in voting, we wouldn't be able to fight it

1061
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with the Voting Rights Act. People go back to nineteen

1062
01:05:11,800 --> 01:05:18,079
sixty five. Nineteen sixty five in Alabama, they're less than

1063
01:05:18,199 --> 01:05:24,000
five percent of all blacks were registered. Go back to Mississippi,

1064
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Go back to Louisiana, go back to Georgia, Florida, all

1065
01:05:29,360 --> 01:05:36,920
these states that South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, all these states, Kentucky, Oklahoma.

1066
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Just go back to all these states. Tennessee, Oh, come

1067
01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:45,280
on now, come on now, Missouri, you know, let's talk

1068
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:45,679
about it.

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Speaker 1: Texas, Illinois, all of our districts are drawn pursuing to

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the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five votes.

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Speaker 4: The Voting Rights Act was the most revolutionary piece of

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voting of civil rights legislation I repaired. It did more

1073
01:06:01,719 --> 01:06:05,719
to accomplish its goals than any other. Fair housing Act

1074
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:09,039
hasn't been as successful as it should be. The Civil

1075
01:06:09,119 --> 01:06:13,800
Rights Act. The nineteen sixty four US had a misimpact immense,

1076
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,239
but nothing has been as powerful as the Voting Rights Act.

1077
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We went from at the time, I believe, help me

1078
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:23,880
get this right. At the time it was passed, we

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01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:28,639
had like seven blacks in Congress to over sixty now,

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01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,239
so you know, and and I'm clear when I say blacks,

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01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:35,760
I mean you know, I'm counting the skin color. I

1082
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:38,599
ain't talking about some of this mentality that some of

1083
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:45,119
these folks have, but it's very telling that people hate

1084
01:06:45,159 --> 01:06:48,519
black progress. Let's be honest. There's a lot of white supremacists.

1085
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:52,039
Have you guys been seeing what Elon Musk, this man

1086
01:06:52,159 --> 01:06:57,280
they allowed, this mass murderer that they allowed to to

1087
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,880
run doge this race. Have you been seeing what he's

1088
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:02,639
been posting?

1089
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Speaker 1: Barbara, just plic just go ahead. I'm sorry, just before

1090
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we go to Elon Musk and hiss twitter posts, I'm

1091
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:16,000
wondering if, given what black voters matter, that said in

1092
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:20,000
their report, yes, any tampering with Section two of the

1093
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Voting Rights Act, we give Pam Bondy, the DOJ, the

1094
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only authority to bring action in states to immediately change

1095
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,119
their maps.

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Speaker 4: And you know what she's gonna do. She's already shown

1097
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us the whole Texas. Uh, you know, redrawing their maps

1098
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in which they wiped out you know, black political seats,

1099
01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:45,400
all of this and you know threatening you know, Latino seats.

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All of this was done because Pam Bondi demanded it

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be done.

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Speaker 1: Does that mean Barbara then that essentially this could be

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01:07:54,599 --> 01:07:59,599
an all deliberate speed case, therefore throwing the twenty twenty

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six election into a quandary.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I also and that's what they want.

1106
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You know, they want to destroy the twenty twenty six

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election because they know they're going to lose it, especially

1108
01:08:11,239 --> 01:08:13,320
when it comes to the House of Representatives, so they

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01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:17,880
want to do everything they can to steal seats, blocked voters. Uh.

1110
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:21,039
You know, it's it's a major thing in my opinion,

1111
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:27,000
no matter what comes out tomorrow, if it lessens the

1112
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protections of the Voting Rights Act, that's a loss. I

1113
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:35,800
don't care. You know, anything that that is passed to

1114
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:39,520
make the Voting Rights Act weaker is a loss for us.

1115
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:42,279
And we got to understand that. And we got to

1116
01:08:42,359 --> 01:08:45,079
understand that the answer to that is that you don't

1117
01:08:45,119 --> 01:08:48,920
just sit back and say, oh, well, you know, we

1118
01:08:49,079 --> 01:08:51,479
need you to stand up and find.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson, and we come forward on fifty. I'm

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01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:01,560
Jesse Jacksonjr. Welcome for or to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

1121
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,720
Barbara Arnwine is always on our program breaking news. We

1122
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could lose nine nineteen blacks in Congress. Nineteen blacks in

1123
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:15,439
Congress by the end of twenty twenty six. That's a lot.

1124
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:16,800
I got a clip that I'd like to go to

1125
01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,680
on the unraveling of Mega lay the clip.

1126
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's party has lost control of the House of Representatives,

1127
01:09:23,000 --> 01:09:27,520
effectively multiple discharge petitions there now moving bills without the

1128
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:31,159
Republican Party's permission, despite the fact that they nominally control

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01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:34,840
the House. The Heritage Foundation, which brought us Project twenty

1130
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,319
twenty five. Heritage Foundation, is now imploding, with senior staffers

1131
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:42,720
from every department fleeing that far right organization in disgust.

1132
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:47,000
The Turning Point USA Conservative Movement Conference that was held

1133
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this weekend was highlighted by the most famous people who

1134
01:09:50,159 --> 01:09:53,319
spoke at that conference, all screaming insults and accusations at

1135
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,479
each other and pledging to be one another's mortal enemy.

1136
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Speaker 3: Couldn't happen to a nicer group.

1137
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Speaker 5: The President's two most high profile and ambitious allies in Congress,

1138
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Marjorie Taylor Green and Alice Stephonic are now both leaving

1139
01:10:05,880 --> 01:10:08,119
Congress and, in Stephanic's case, quitting her run for New

1140
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:11,000
York governor, both of them apparently storming out of the

1141
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:16,239
MAGA movement in disgust. And thousands of people are marching

1142
01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:20,760
against Trump in ten degree weather in Minnesota.

1143
01:10:21,399 --> 01:10:28,239
Speaker 4: Yes, is unraveling, Yes, in a way. Yes. You know

1144
01:10:28,319 --> 01:10:33,760
what's interesting. They're having a lot of personality disputes, right,

1145
01:10:34,359 --> 01:10:37,800
and they're having disputes over some policy having to do

1146
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:42,119
with Israel. But let's not think that they're not in

1147
01:10:42,199 --> 01:10:46,039
agreement on destroying the Voting Rights Act. Let's don't for

1148
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:49,319
a minute think that they're not an agreement all white supremacy.

1149
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:52,319
That's not, for a minute think that they're not in

1150
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:57,520
agreement on making sure that people who are poor are

1151
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:01,439
not receiving help in assistance. Not think for a minute

1152
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:06,079
that somehow they're not in agreement with some of these attacks,

1153
01:11:06,119 --> 01:11:10,000
these you know, this bombing of these other nations. Folks.

1154
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:14,159
You know MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green still holds to most

1155
01:11:14,199 --> 01:11:18,439
of her MAGA philosophies. You know, let's be very clear.

1156
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:24,760
It's not that they somehow have demagnetized magnetized they have. Instead,

1157
01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:31,880
they're they're disputing priorities and they're disputing personalities. They're disputing

1158
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:36,439
you know, power. They're fighting over twenty twenty eight. You know, folks,

1159
01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:39,920
everything you're watching, the destruction of Tim Walts, all this

1160
01:11:40,039 --> 01:11:43,880
stuff is over twenty twenty eight. Don't get confused that

1161
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:47,319
they're already at war, you know, trying to figure out

1162
01:11:47,359 --> 01:11:49,840
who's going to be in what positions of power for

1163
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,640
twenty twenty eight, because they're assuming that despite all of

1164
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:58,039
Trump's nonsense talk that he cannot run for a third term.

1165
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:02,720
It's about power and and who's you know, who's in

1166
01:12:02,800 --> 01:12:05,000
what you know, position of power?

1167
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Speaker 1: Barbara, could we expect with a Kalay decision in light

1168
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,359
of your analysis of the unraveling of MEGA and the

1169
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things that they are in agreement on getting Rights Act,

1170
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getting rid of the Civil Rights Act?

1171
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,159
Speaker 4: You are basically with each other.

1172
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:24,239
Speaker 1: Can uh? Is there any doubt that Pam Bondi is

1173
01:12:24,279 --> 01:12:27,640
going to look at blue states, blue cities and see

1174
01:12:27,680 --> 01:12:29,960
the ways in which she can redraw entire states.

1175
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Speaker 4: Well, remember they start with Texas, that's a red state.

1176
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So they listen. They want absolute power, absolute political dominance.

1177
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They don't believe in power sharing, period. So anything they

1178
01:12:44,159 --> 01:12:46,600
can do anywhere they can do it, they're going to

1179
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:48,520
do it. They're going to go after blue states, but

1180
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they're going to go after districts like they did in

1181
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:55,720
Missouri that are held by Democrats. They're going to go

1182
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up against you know, Latinos. They're gonna you know. And

1183
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one thing I had missed about the whole maps is

1184
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that your brother Jonathan educated me about in Texas is

1185
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that they destroyed the white district that they consider too progressive,

1186
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and they threw out what's Lloyd uh Duncan.

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Speaker 1: And Lloyd Doggett.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Lloyd Doggett. They redrew his district so that he

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can't win.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 4: So, I just want people to understand that they they

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don't care. This is all about raw political dominance. They

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don't want a Congress that can hold this man accountable.

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They want this man to be uh, you know, given

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free reign so that the next person who comes in,

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Uh can you know, can uh you know benefit from

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that voter suppression? And can you continue to do all

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these evil policies?

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Speaker 1: Can you share with us how we may support the

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Transformative Justice Coalition and your work.

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Speaker 4: Yes, please support us. We do this work. We can't

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do it without public support. We're blessed that people give

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money to tjc UH to do this work because we're

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in all these states helping to make sure that political

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power is achieved regard without racial discrimination. And so you

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can help reach us at TJ Coalition dot org. G

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t J Coalition dot org. UH that's who we are.

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We are. It's a very simple and easy donation process.

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So you can go there and it's going to ask

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you if you want to donate, So please go to

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TJ Coalition dot org. Help this us to do this

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vital critical work.

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Speaker 1: Why were you were trying to make another point just

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before before that?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I just have to give a shout out to

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the family of Keith Porter. You know, every I you know,

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I'm so upset like everyone about the outrageous, racist, misogynistic,

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homophobic killing of Miss Renee Nicole Good. But I'm also

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concerned about the fact that nobody's talking about our brothers.

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Speaker 1: That's Pete Porter.

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Speaker 4: Pete Porter was killed right as the we were going

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into the New year UH in Los Angeles, out in

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North ridge folks. Uh, and was slain by an off

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duty was something. And what he was doing is with

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my dad and all my uncles always did on New

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Year's Eve. My mom would be fussing, but they would

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do it anyway. They would go outside and they would

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shoot their guns into the air to salute the new year.

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A lot of black folks still do it. They do

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it in my neighbor here here, good here in Maryland

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they do it. And I'm like, oh lord, but we

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do it. That's the way we've done it. That's a

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way of celebrating the New Year. And that's all he

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was doing. And this guy got pissed off that this

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black man had the nerve to have a gun and

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to him, Uh, shot it into the air and confronted

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him and shot him dead for no reason, no good reason,

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no threat, no self defense, just mad, you know about

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a black man with a gun. So I just, you know,

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want his family to know that we will lift up

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his voice, that we're going to make sure everybody knows

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that Keith Porter also was killed and that he his

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death has not gotten the national attention it deserves. So

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I'm here to argue on his behalf today.

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Speaker 1: What about a minute and seconds for your word of hope.

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Speaker 4: Yes, January twentieth, I need you in those streets January twenty,

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walk out on fascist January twenty. It say to this administration,

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no no, no, no no and uh and I know

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you were laughing with you read it was the no no, no,

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no no they got me at and you read. Of course,

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the other day somebody's analysis on the whole Trump administration

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was they need to stop. Stop. So I'm gonna keep

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bringing my great analysis.

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Speaker 1: Right Barbara, I'm so proud of you. Please support Barbara

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at the TJC Coalition dot org. TJC Coalition dot org,

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and also continue your support of KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.

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We welcome all gifts, all grants, all opportunities to keep

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free and independent voices right here with KBLA. I'm Jesse

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Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson your show

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on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. We've had a wonderful

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time in this hour with Barbara and mine. Barbara, I'll

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see you next Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: I'll see you then and we'll be talking clearly about Klay.

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And also congratulations to your brother and all the members

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of Congress who are on their way to Minneapolis for

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that fill hearing on Friday.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Juior more on KBLA. When'll we come

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forward