Speaker 1: Jesse Jackson Junior looking forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Show on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty are breaking news are
the fissures, the fractions that are taking place in the
Republican MAGA coalition, both in the House of Representatives and
the United States Senate House of Representatives is releasing a
number of discharge petitions. That is, when Democrats and Republicans
come together, they can bypass the normal processes for moving
legislation forward in the House of Representatives. I suspect and
we'll talk about it with our very special guest host
host us in this hour that these Republicans have returned
to Washington from a three week break a location, They've
heard from their constituents, their premiums are going up in healthcare,
and they are generally miserable and disappointed in the behavior
of the Congress of the United States. Our very special
guest in this hour is none other than Liz King.
Liz served as the Senior Director of Education Equity Program
at the Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights, where
she worked for over a decade, leading efforts to advance
educational equity and advocate for policies that ensure every child
has access to high quality education. Prior to her work
at the Leadership Conference, she served as Senior Policy Associate
for Education at the Children's Defense Fund, focusing on policy
initiatives aimed at improving educational outcomes for underserved children. Liz,
welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Is always so much, so great to
be here, great to be here.
Speaker 1: I'm so honored that you hear Liz. Liz, I'm my
one point about the idea that these Republicans went home
for a fairly extended break and they heard from their constituents,
and their constituents do not like what they're seeing going
into the midterms.
Speaker 2: I think absolutely what we're seeing here is the result
of building your house on sand. And this is a
movement that was built on the sand of prejudice and
division and hatred. And not only does that corrode the personality,
not only is that dangerous and damaging for the soul,
but it does not pay the bills. So what we're
seeing right here is exactly what Dubois told us. We
are seeing the effects of this the fallacy of the
wages of whiteness, and we are seeing that there is
no amount of horror that you have brought to the
lives of our immigrant neighbors, or fear that can be
put in the lives of our trans neighbors, that will
make groceries any less expensive, that will help people pay
the rent, or that will help people pay for their
health care. And so what I'm hoping, what I believe
we're seeing is elected officials or being reminded that they
need to be elected by constituents, and those constituents live
in a world in which they have needs that deserve
to be met, and these everyone deserves access to health care,
and they have been trying to take health care away,
They've been trying to make health care more expensive, and
their constituents are saying, hey, look, we're tired of this.
We want to be able to pay for health care.
We want to make sure that our fansli taken care of.
And I hope that we see within the MAGA movement
this recognition that we're all going to have to come
together and solve these problems that are facing everybody, because
no matter your politics, you need to be able to
go to the doctor. No matter your politics, you need
to be able to take care of your elderly relatives
and of your baby, Liz.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm finding in the three minutes that we
have remaining in this segment before we come forward, that
the politics of the economy are immensely local. That the
Democratic talking points are obviously about inflation, about unemployment, about
national memory. I hear candidates all across the country talking
about the national politics, but in a real sense, these
members of Congress came back to Washington and they heard
from their constituents locally about eggs, about bacon, about grits,
about Chitlin's, about cornbread, about the myriad of things that
confront them. Am I right in suggesting that Democrats have
to translate these messages into local politics so that they
can be understood by the people.
Speaker 2: I mean, look, all politics is now and will always
be local. I mean that is the way that people
live and experience the world is what the prices are
at their grocery store, you know. And we're seeing this
with the president, right He keeps trying to tell people
prices are coming down, but they know that that is
not consistent with the reality they're experiencing. And so we're
watching him lie again and again and again, And I
think it's becoming clearer how much of what he says
is a great, big lie. Absolutely, it's about keeping things local.
It's about reminding us one another that we are living
in communities together with one another, and that and that
we all deserve the same kind of things, and the
way that looks in every community is a little bit different.
Speaker 1: Does anyone actually believe Donald Trump goes grocery jobbing hell
the carton of eggs or bacon, I mean, a man
who thinks that he has a goldfinger or the gold touch.
Does anyone who actually stands in the bullied pulpit of
the residency of the United States, And here's Donald Trump
talk about the quality and cost of living as being
better under his administration than any president in the history
of the United States. This, from your perspective, is that
even believable?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, of course not, of course not. I mean this
is an individual who doesn't know anything about the realities
of everyday life. I mean, he doesn't know anything about
what it is to help your third grader who's struggling
to learn how to read, or help your eleventh grader
who's figuring out whether or not they're going to get
to go to college. He doesn't know anything about trying
to make ends meet. He doesn't know anything about when
there's more month than money. And I think that that
is just becoming clearer and clearer all the time. People
have been sold a false bill of goods, and you know,
it's falling apart. This is a house built on sand.
There's no there there. And I really hope what we
see is people turning away and turning together, coming together
in a movement that means true economic justice and shared
prosperity for all of us. Absolutely, I hope that's where
we're going in every community across the whole country.
Speaker 1: I think you knocked it out of the park. More
month than money. I think the American people clearly understand
more month than money more When we come forward on
the misery index that the American people are experiencing under
the MAGA movement and under the leadership of President Donald
John Trump, I'm Jesse Jackson, jor Ore. A very special
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Junior Show, KBLA Talk fifteen eighty Our very special guest
in this hour is none other than the incomparable Liz King. Liz,
welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks Congressman, always so much fun to be in conversation
with you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: Would get a chance to see the bed chairman's presser.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I saw some of his statements earlier, but I didn't
see the most recent presser. Now can you tell.
Speaker 1: Us more about it? Just this most recent press conference
seemed to suggest that the president Department of Justice probe
is really not about any malfeasans in office or fraud,
but that the President of the United States is pushing
back on and pressuring the Federal Reserve Board to follow
his directions on interest rates without taking into consideration any
of the economic indicators that the FED usually weighs in
making determinations or such for such judgments. I'm wondering, Liz,
you know what your thoughts are about the president, about
the White House, the President's power to interfere with the FED,
which is normally an organization that has a its isolated
if you will insulate it from presidential interference.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're seeing this weaponized prosecution and the weaponized use
of DOJ all over the place, right, I mean, what
is surprising here is this is a very wealthy white
man and that is not the usual target of this
discriminatory prosecution that comes out of this Department of Justice usually, Right,
it is black women who have the courage and good
sense to stand up to the president, but certainly, I
mean they The irony here is we are looking at
a president seek to respond to very reasonable concern among
the general public that the economy is not serving their interest.
Now you talked about the misery index, and I think
it's a good opportunity for us to think about what
are those economic measures that really do matter to people?
And so I mean, obviously this is terrifying to see
the idea of the president having even greater reach into
the economy, that reach, which he has said so far
has only had a disastrous consequence, and so sort of
further influence on his part would only be worse for
regular people. But it's an opportunity for us to think
about what does our economy mean, what do our values
mean in our economy? And what should what should people
be able to expect and deserve within our economy.
Speaker 1: The misery index is an economic indicator that measures the
level of economic distress in a country by combining the
unemployment rate the annual rate of inflation. Developed by economist
Arthur o'coon in the nineteen seventies, higher index score indicates
greater economic hardship for the average citizen. The index gained
prominence during the periods of stagflation or high inflation and
high unemployment, and has been used in political campaigns to
evaluate economic performance. Is it likely that we're going to
hear more in this campaign about the idea that people
are more miserable than they were four years ago? And
the reason I say that is this cost. I believe
a candidate against Ronald Reagan in the eighties and election, well,
are you better off now than you were four years ago?
Are we better off now twelve months with Donald Trump
than we were just thirteen months ago?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the world is a much harder
place for everybody by every measure. And I think this
is an important reminder, you know, to the degree that
the lass of the Mega movement is that politicians have
been insufficiently responsive to economic concern, economic anxiety, and the
very real way in which our economy is not working
for so many people in so many communities. This is
a wake up call. There should be a wake up
call to everyone. I think the New York mayor's race
is a really, really good reminder that there are economic
ideas out there that would create a more livable society
for all of us. And it is those ideas that
should be coming forward. It is those ideas that should
be brought to bear. But I think anybody who fell
for the lie that you know, Donald Trump said, hey,
look I'm going to start more wars. I'm going to
make life harder for your neighbor, but it's okay because
your bills will go down. That that has been shown
for the lie that it truly is. The bills are
going up. Life is getting harder, and this is not
the way we should be living as Americans.
Speaker 1: This we have a clip that I'd like to play,
and I'd like your response and your thoughts on.
Speaker 5: Speaking of suing the Trump and administration, the city of
Chicago and the state of Illinois, and the state of Minnesota,
and the cities of Saint Paul and Minneapolis have all
brought major lawsuits tonight against the Trump administration to try
to stop the attack by Trump's federal agents on those
states and those cities. Trump's attack on Minneapolis in particular
has been absolutely chaotic and bizarre and totally incoherent, even
more so in the wake of the killing of Renee
Nicole Good last week by an ICE officer who last
week shot her three times through her windshield and her
open driver side window.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just been nuts in Minneapolis.
Speaker 5: In this one Minneapolis home, these totally out of control,
heavily armed officers broke down the door and rammed their
way inside as the homeowner demanded to see a warrant
allowing them to enter.
Speaker 3: The Associated Press reporting.
Speaker 5: Tonight that those agents didn't have a warrant from a
judge authorizing their forced entry into a private residence, but
they just did it anyway, into a home with kids inside,
apparently completely disregarding any applicable law.
Speaker 3: This was today in Minneapolis as well.
Speaker 5: A man named Christian Molina, US citizen, was driving south
on thirty sixth Street in South Minneapolis.
Speaker 3: He says he inadvertently.
Speaker 5: Made eye contact with an ICE officer who was lurking
in an alley watching cars go by. The ICE agent
then chased him and literally rammed his car into mister
Molina rammed his car into mister Molina's vehicle, into the
rear driver's side of his car, and then demanded that
mister Molina show his papers.
Speaker 3: Mister Molina is.
Speaker 5: A US citizen, according to the Minneapolis Star Tribune tonight quote.
As agents confronted Christian Molina, dozens of community members came
outside to disrupt them.
Speaker 3: The people who responded to that.
Speaker 5: Scene included a Minneapolis City council member who told the
paper that after mister Molina told the agents he knew
his rights and that this was an illegal stop and
he didn't need to show them anything. And after all
those people poured into the street to support this guy,
the agents, I kid you not, what did they do?
They set off two tear gas canisters in the street
and then ran away. That was their contribution to public
order and safety in South Minneapolis today. Here's another standoff
from this weekend. A woman in Minneapolis ordered door dash
and ice apparently chased the woman doing the delivery for DoorDash,
chased her into the customer's home where she was dropping
off the food because she works for DoorDash. The homeowner,
in a fit of righteous rage, absolutely stood her ground
and told Ice that they were not coming into her
home to get this woman, that they needed a warrant
to do it, and if they didn't have that warrant,
she was not letting them in. And she called the
cops on them, and she called her neighbors, and her
neighbors came out, and everybody was standing there blowing whistles
and yelped.
Speaker 1: Liz, It's clear that the federal agents who ripped, who
are represented by the Customs Enforcement Agency, have not been
taught how to mirandize people, have ignored the Constitution of
the United States. They are not reading people their rights.
They are a gang in just about every municipality in
the nation terrorizing people. Liz. Your initial thoughts, Liz, I
think you have to unmute yourself, Liz, We've.
Speaker 2: Gotten this far without that from no. Two things I
want to just uplift from this that are the good
part of this right two things. One thing I heard
in that clip is how many people in Minneapolis know
their rights. They know what the Constitution says, and we
know throughout the course of American history. It is that knowledge.
It is that power of the Constitution in people's hands
that has enabled them to push back, and then I
think the other big piece here is the power of coalition.
It is the interracial coalition that is refusing to obey
that is causing, that is prompting this reaction. Is this frustration,
this recognition of how transformatively powerful coalition is. But it
is absolutely terrifying to watch this, to know that children
are seeing this, to see this idea that a neighbor
has to choose what is the safest course of action,
whether to exercise their rights or not. And you know,
you know, I like to take it back to the
history and just going back to the Illinois and the
Minnesota lawsuits. What that makes me think of is the
reaction to the Fugitive Slave Act. Right, The Fugitive Slave
Act was an example where states had decided they were
going to respect the human dignity and the constitutional rights
of their residence. They were going to outlaw slavery. And
you had Southern states had a national federal law that
sought to apply the requirement of enslaving to those those
free states. And it was that that precipitated the Civil War.
And I really hope that's not where we're going. And
I don't think that's where we need to go. But
we are being reminded that there are a few instances
in American history where states have shown up and said
no to the federal government and yes to the constitutional
rights and human dignity of their people. And I am
so proud of Illinois and Minnesota for what they're doing
and the way that they're showing up.
Speaker 1: In your opinion, Liz, do you think and I know
we have just about five minutes before we come forward
for our larger break, I'm wondering if MAGA understands that
in the midterm elections they are going to have to
own the behavior of ICE in municipalities and in rural
areas across our country. Do you think they understand that?
Speaker 2: Look, I would say, Congressman, this brings us back to
the conversation we were having a while ago about the
chief of staff at the White House. I think we're
going to see more and more of them abdicate responsibility.
They are going to do what has always happened when
you have these oppressive regimes. Individual people will try and
wash their hands of it. They'll try and say, oh,
I didn't know. They'll try and say, oh, I didn't
have anything to do with that. Or in the case
of the White House Chief of Staff, they'll say, well,
I had advised against that. I think we are going
to see they're increasingly there is a realization they are
on the wrong side of history. They will be held accountable.
Not only will they be held accountable at the gates
with Saint Peter, but they will be held accountable in
their own lifetime for the actions that they are involved in.
And I think for those who voted for this president,
whatever their motivation, there is a chance in the midterms,
we've all got to get out there. We've all got
to shut this down. We've got to end this MAGA movement.
We've got to reclaim our dignity, our values as Americans,
our unity, and our civilization because that is what is
being taken from us by these thugs.
Speaker 1: At some point in time, Liz, I want to shift
to the international space because I think that the United
States is losing significant ground in terms of its international
cooperation with governments around the world. The President has now
shifted his attention to Greenland, clearly isolating Europe and threatening
the NATO alliance. Your initial thoughts on the possible unraveling
of NATO led by the Maga movement.
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely, exporting this thuggery is terrible and what
I hope we are going to see. You know, what
this keeps making me think of is the way in
which black leaders have historically appealed to the United Nations
to intervene when the United States, the federal government or
state governments were acting against the human rights of people
in the United States. Now what we're seeing is an
effort to export this thuggery to other countries. I think
the idea nobody, the idea that anyone would walk away
from the history of the twentieth century and think that
war is a good idea and we should do more
of that. I mean, it is the United Nations. You know.
The beginning we saw of this was the dismantling of USAID,
the dismantling of the United States role as a moral
leader in helping to meet the needs of people in
countries who are facing the most challenging situations a human
being can ever be in. And that is a self
interested move by the United States to prevent starvation and
to ensure that people's human needs are being met, as
well as a moral responsibility. I mean, this nuggery we're
seeing on the global stage. It's embarrassing and it is dangerous,
and it is going to make the world and the
country less safe for all of us.
Speaker 1: I heard one of the most outrageous press conferences I
ever heard this week as well, when Stephen Miller exited
the White House and essentially said that might makes right
and that the United States is under an obligation in
this space to exercise its mighty, full military power to
enforce its will on governments in our hemisphere and around
the world. Obviously, that is deeply that is deeply troubling,
and there is there is a day of reckoning that
is coming to the United States for this behavior.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, the Stephen Miller Laban's realm agenda is terrifying. And
this is not where this is. We as a world
are moving towards democracy, We're moving towards inclusion, We're moving
towards peace and away from war and away from thuggishness.
And I think what we're seeing here is a reaction
to that. We're seeing Stephen Miller is trying to make
global conquest great again. And that is not the story
that we know. That is not the story that we tell.
Their heroes are the villains, and I think that's what
is being most important here for us to remember. They
are idolizing the wrong people. They are celebrating the wrong values.
We need American values of peace, equality and equal opportunity,
and that is not what this agenda is about.
Speaker 1: I am more confident than ever that if Democrats and
progressives are not listening to our leadership at this hour,
we're going to have some profound problems. Because the opportunity
is ours. We're going to have to have stopgap measures,
literally take control of the House of Representatives in the
midterms in order to stop the President of the United States.
He already says, you're going to impeach me. They're going
to impeach me. Yeah, we're going to impeach him. I'm
Jesse Jackson Junior. Other than Liz King on KBLA. I'm
Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Our a very special guest in this hour is none
other than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Congressman. Always good to be here.
Speaker 1: Liz. Please forgive me for that brief technical difficulty. Liz,
I want to go back to this issue of the
unraveling of MAGA. Is there anything that Trump can do
surprisingly to keep the MAGA coalition together at this hour?
Speaker 2: I think that's a great question. I think that this
group of people has stuck together and stuck by him
despite all They've paid for it for a long time,
and so I'm not sure what will happen. But what
I do know is that the underlying you know, the
house of sand on which this house has built, these
underlying values are wildly unpopular, and that the overwhelming majority
of people in this country want the opportunity to live
in a multi racial democracy, to live peacefully, to have
their own rights and the rights of their neighbors respected,
to be able to meet their own basic needs, and
live in a community in which other people's basic needs
are being met. And so maybe what we're seeing now
is a realization that they've been sold a false bill
of goods. And maybe what we're seeing now is a
more vocal opposition by the largely unheard majority here that
is not represented, never has been, by the values of
the so called values of the Mega Movement. And I
hope what we're seeing is the beginning of the end.
I think, you know, in the last several years, there
have been fits and starts, and fits and starts, but
there are too many who've stood by him for too long,
and I really do hope that's coming to an end.
Speaker 1: Do you see anything coming together on the other side
of the aisle that suggests Democrats can capitalize from the
unraveling of Mega, Well.
Speaker 2: What I hope we're going to see is that politicians
across the political spectrum recommit themselves to core American values
of equal opportunity and non discrimination and frankly democracy. I
hope what we see as a commitment to economic justice
and equal opportunity. And I think the question now is
whether Democrats are going to show up for that agenda.
And we have seen some tremendous, courageous leadership by Democrats,
and I hope we see more of that. I hope
that becomes the defining central theme of the party, that
when you are building your house on rock, when you
are anchored, you are clear about your values, You're clear
what you stand to stand for. I think it is
easier to move forward, and it's easier to move forward together.
And I hope we hear a lot more talk about
what it means to be an American what it means
to believe in our democracy.
Speaker 1: When we think about the Mamdani race, the New Jersey race,
the Virginia race, and so of the subsequent campaigns that
have taken place, there does seem to be more interest
on the progressive center left side of the political ledger
in engaging primary elections as well as general elections than normal.
Do you agree with that, Liz.
Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is it's a very very
challenging time in our country, and so a bunch of
people are putting forward a bunch of different ideas. And
what I am feeling most encouraged about is the times
when we see that the democracy still works. The democracy
is still functioning. And what I hope is that we
hear messages from every candidate that reflect a commitment to democracy,
equal opportunity, and economic justice. You know, whether that comes
in the form of primaries or general elections, or however
it plays out. I want to see every candidate running
for office tell us how they will commit to constitutional rights,
how they will ensure that everyone's life gets a little
bit better. I think that's going to be the real question.
Wether that takes primary challenges or only happens in the general.
Those contrasts who's with us and who's against us? I
think is going to be really important, because we the
American people, deserve better. We deserve better than what's happening
right now, and I hope we see public officials coming
forward with a commitment to offer a better vision and
a better way forward, you.
Speaker 1: Know, speaking of better vision. What I'm learning and what
I'm hearing and what I understand is everyone is running
against Donald Trump. I get that, but not many people
are distinguishing themselves within the democratic process of what it
is that they stand for. What is the alternative to
Project twenty twenty five. What are we going to undo
that Trump has made a disaster out of What are
the problems that have to be solved as a result
of a democratic victory? And I'm not quite clear on that.
I know that in large measure, the Affordable Care Act
is a big, big piece of that. But I'm not
hearing from Democrats a comprehensive agenda to return the federal
government to some sense of normalcy, given that Donald Trump
has taken a sledgehammer to the entire idea.
Speaker 2: Of a federal Yeah, what I hope we see is
the civil and human rights community coming together and leading
us forward to the next chapter. And that I hope
we see elected officials falling in line behind that vision.
And this is a vision the civil and human rights
community has been advocating for for more than one hundred years,
because we know, even before the destruction and the burning
down of the Trump administration, our government was not doing
enough for all of us. Our government was not doing
enough to ensure a level playing field and that everyone
had a fair chance. And so what I hope we
see as politicians lining up, joining hand in hand with
communities to say, we are now committing ourselves to an
affirmive vision of the future that is about equal opportunity,
that is about everyone having a chance to get ahead,
about everyone having their needs met and living peaceably side
by side with diverse neighbors and diverse neighborhoods. And I
hope we see that. I hope we see politicians lining up,
and I expect to see the leadership coming from the
civil and human rights community as it always has to
paint a path forward. I mean, really, this is the
conscience of the nation we're talking about, and now is
about time for us to have some conscience.
Speaker 1: Liz, I wanted to broach the subject matter in the
final segment of our show, but it might as well
broach it now. What happened to Renee Good is a
turning moment, a turning point. I believe in the American
people's understanding of the cruelty of the Trump administration, the
quick response, the lack of an investigation. Christy Nome, as
well as the president and vice presidents statements with respect
to what we obviously saw on the video not an
attempt to hurt an ICE agent, just the attempt of
a mother of a spouse to move on with her day.
Your thoughts on Christino, I'm sorry your thoughts on Renee Good.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is just such an awful
moment for the country. And I think you know, I
what immediately came to my to mind for me was Goodwin, Chorner,
and Cheney, and that was the three voting rights workers
who were lynched in Mississippi. And it was just an awful,
awful point in the civil rights movement. And I think,
you know, part of part of what we have to
keep in mind, there was a reminder that we cannot
we cannot be more outraged by violence against white people
than we are by violence against black and brown people.
But what I think we're seeing here is a call
to action for everyone in every community to show up
with their neighbors, to show up in unity and love
and respect, a commitment to our constitutional American values of
equal opportunity. It's just horrific. It is horrific what happened.
She deserved to go home and be with her child
that day. That's what everyone deserves every day. They don't
deserve to be kidnapped off the street. They don't I
don't deserve to be roughed up by these thugs who
call themselves law enforcement. They deserve better than that. We
all deserve better than what is happening right now.
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I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Garrison.
Our very special guest in this hour is none other
than Liz King. Liz, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Congressman. Always great to.
Speaker 3: Be here, Liz.
Speaker 1: Let's stay on the national stage for just a moment.
The first president ever the bomb eight country in less
than a year, and I'm deeply concerned about the unrest
that is taking place in Iran and just how destabilizing
that could ultimately be.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, listen, I think what we're seeing is that
the demand of people to be free, to be to
feed their children, to have security, to have safety, to
have freedom, to have opportunity, transcends time and place, and
I think we're seeing that in Iran. Now, we're seeing
the people of Iran are showing up and pushing back
against the conditions they've been subjected to for far too long.
I think we're seeing that, you know, we saw that
in the Arab Spring we have seen that in Hungary
and the resistance to the anti LGBTQ movement in Hungary
in the way in which the Hungarian people have pushed
back against that, and I think we are being reminded
of the insistence, the persistence, the determination of people to
be free in all places. And I think that that
comes back here too. What we are seeing is people
walking away from the MAGA movement, people realizing that this
is a movement that is about control and oppression. It's
about making life harder, not easier. It's about taking away
and making the rich richer and the poor poorer. And
I think we're being reminded that we are one people
on this planet and what we want as human beings.
I mean, this is the language of human rights, that
what we want as human beings transcends our time and place.
And what I hope for is that there will be
an opportunity. You know, there's that quote.
Speaker 4: That that JFK always use.
Speaker 2: You know, when you make nonviolent resistance impossible, you make
violent revolution inevitable. And what I hope we see is
a nonviolent transition to democracy across the globe, including in
our own country.
Speaker 1: I couldn't I couldn't agree more that the movement, the
winds of change are moving throughout societies around our country
and around our world. The people are pushing back. They
are fighting back against authoritarianism in Iran, they are fighting
back against authoritarianism around the world, and even what might
have been meant or bad by Donald Trump in some areas,
it's turning out for good because the people are beginning
to express themselves and rise up and take responsibility for
their own lives and for their own actions. I should
share with you that, given all that the Middle East
has been through since October seventh, a destabilized Iran will
also play very well into the hands of the Israelis.
Your thoughts on this critical issue, Liz.
Speaker 2: I think what we're seeing is that the determination what
you know, what King told us, is that peace is
not merely the absence of tension, is the presence of justice,
and that people will never people will only live with
injustice for but so long. And we need to create
conditions that enable people to elect their leaders to determine
their own future. We need to create a scenario you know,
in which you know, freedom is just another word for
nothing left to lose. We need to be in a
situation in which people can be hopeful and have a
future and they can turn away from violence. More violence,
more killing is terrifying. It is terrifying in any place,
and certainly the Middle East is a region that has
had far more than its fair share of violence and
oppression for far too long. These are people entitled to
self determination and equal opportunity, the same as people in
every corner of the globe. And what I hope we
see is a transition to a United States government that
is a friend.
Speaker 1: Can you offer us a word of hope?
Speaker 2: I think what we're being told right now is in
a world with Christy Noman, Donald Trump, be good. Every
day every one of us has the opportunity to show
up for our neighbors, to straighten our own backs, to
be a force for good, for peace, for justice and
equal opportunity. And I think that is what we are
all called to do, is to be good.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been reading Beyond Vietnam, a speech that
Martin Luther King delivered in nineteen sixty seven, and I
think this revolutionary revolution of values that doctor King talked
about in that speech, as we turned the corner towards
his ninety seventh birthday on January fifteenth. I'm reminded that
he said that young black men in the ghettos and
neighborhoods of our nation had come up to him and
they had said, doctor King, you're asking us to be nonviolent,
but what about Vietnam? And Doctor King said it essentially
froze him in his steps. He said that he knew
at that moment that he could no longer speak with
integrity on the question of nonviolence without commenting on the
greatest purveyor of violence in the world, the US government.
And this was in nineteen sixty seven. And if there's
ever been a case for just how violent, overtly and
covertly the United States government can truly be, of course
the great tragedy being in the name of the American people,
which means that whatever the US government does, it means
that Liz King and I and those of you within
listening range of my voice, wherever we travel in the world,
the perception is that we condone the behavior of the
United States. And that's why these militias are now showing
up in Venezuela looking for American citizens and looking for Americans,
because the world that we live in today is a
lot less safe as a result of the idea that
we've not given thought to the end that we seek,
knowing full well that how we behave on the international
stage has impacts for Americans abroad, Americans at home, and
Americans all over our world in a real sense, Martin
Luther King Junior. Liz was absolutely right that we find
ourselves trapped in an inescapable bond of mutuality. What makes
Liz King the very best that she can be also
makes me the very best that I can be. And
when I'm at my very best, Liz King can also
be at her very best. And therefore, when we turn
to each other and not on each other, we bring
people together and we thrive together. Liz, I'm so grateful
that you joined us for this hour on the Jesse
Jackson Junior Show, indeed your show on Tenacious Tuesdays. Thank
you for being with us, Liz, Thank.
Speaker 2: You so much. Congressman, can't wait for next time.
Speaker 1: I can't wait as well. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're
on the Jay Lunch Club Jesse Jackson Junior on Tenacious
Tuesdays with Liz King and up next of course, none
other than the Great Attorney Barbara arnwot More on KBLA
talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward right here,
I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome to Jesse Jackson Junior Show. Listening
to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on tenacious Tuesday. And
I was thinking and reflecting upon our conversation with Liz King.
And I was also reflecting upon a speech that Martin
Luther King Junior delivered on April fourth, nineteen sixty seven,
at Manhattan's Riverside Church. And in this moment, I'm saying
to myself self, is it a time to break our silence?
Is it a time to break our silence? The title
of the speech that Martin Luther King Junior delivered on
that occasion beyond Vietnam, A time to break Silence. Doctor
King gave considerable reflection to the idea that clergymen politicians
in nineteen sixty seven, many of them were running for office,
particularly the politicians. There was a nineteen sixty eight presidential
election year. Clergymen were joining the Democrats, and some were
exercising their rights supporting candidates for president of the United States.
It would be in that context, of course, at the
democratic nomination or through the democratic nomination process, that Bobby
Kennedy would lose his life at the hands of Sir
Hann Sir Han and Doctor King a few short months later,
would lose his life after Bobby Kennedy. Before Bobby Kennedy
had lost his life, remember, Bobby Kennedy broke the news
that Martin Luther King Junior had been assassinated in Memphis, Tennessee.
So it was a season of death and Martin Luther
King Junior in April, about a year or so before
he died, he began raising this question that we have
to break our silence, and for his position on the
Vietnam War, he was criticized by black clergymen, by black
elected officials, who Doctor King talks about in the speech
by saying that during a time of war, it is
very difficult to not be supportive of your own nation.
Doctor King says that heightened senses of patriotism are a
factor in national support for our sons and daughters that
we have sent as a nation into harm's way. I
say that with a caveat when the Congress of the
United States that being authorizes a war on behalf of
their constituents and on behalf of the American people. The
heat and the pressure has come from the people to
their representatives for the need to go to war. But
unilateral actions by a sovereign, from my perspective, are not
the same. And so the moment is propitious for us
to be able to break our silence that our men
and women, that our weapons are being used without the
authorization of the Congress of the United States, that our
men and women are in harm's way, and our children,
that this is not activity that has been authorized by
Congress nor supported by the American people. Therefore, immediately leaving
before us the question, at what point in time is
it a time for us to break our silence? That
the activities themselves in Greenland, in Venezuela, the threats in Colombia,
the threats to Cubans launching rockets into Nigeria, the role
of the United States is undoubtedly playing in Iran, the
security for Palestinians, and the security for Israelis in the
Middle East. The question is at what point in time
are we going to break our silence? And so I've
been struggling. Just before I bring our tenacious guest, Barbara
Arnweine into the program, probably at the next break. I've
been struggling with this idea that beyond Vietnam needs to
be upgraded to include something like beyond Venezuela. What kind
of world in our silence are we building and what
message are we sending to progressive movements around the world
when we are silent? Is it that we are frozen
by the behavior of the United States of America that
we could have never imagined that a president would seek
to shape the entire world order unilaterally. He told us
this is what he was going to do, and no
one wants to say, I told you so, But we
did tell you so. Kamala told us so. Remember back
when Democrats were squabbling over who should succeed Joe Biden.
Lest should we forget just about a year and a
half ago, we had a Democratic national convention where who
would lead the Democratic Party was a factor in the
national conversation, not fully appreciating all that was at stake.
If last November Donald Trump was elected President of the
United States, a time to break our silence. I have
read as high as seventeen percent of the black mail
vote in the last election went to Donald Trump and today,
only six percent of African American men find favor with
Donald Trump. There is evidence on the horizon that the
time to break our silence is upon us, and I
want us to reflect some point in time during the
course of this week, before the official birthday celebration of
Martin Luther King Junior, maybe on Johnny Max's Show and
the World House, not just about beyond Vietnam, but beyond Venezuela.
What is the revolution of values that we must go
through as a nation in order to build a beloved community.
I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You're listening to Tenacious Tuesday on
Tuesdays on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. When we come forward,
Barbara Arnwine will join us our most tenacious guest. More
when we come forward on KLA I'm Jesse Jackson. Welcome
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Talk
fifteen eighty. And before I bring on our very special guest,
I want to give a shout out to the sisters
of Delta Sigma Theta Sorority on the occasion of their
founder day. Extraordinary sorority founded in nineteen thirteen, very productive
and important organization within the African American community of professional women,
Happy Founders Day. Our very special guest in this hour
is none other than Tenacious contributor Attorney Barbara Arnwine, President
and founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, Internationally renowned for
contributions on critical justice issues, including the passage of the
landmark Civil Rights Act of nineteen ninety one and the
two thousand and six reauthorization of provisions of the Voting
Rights Act. Barbara, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior
Show and Tenacious Tuesdays your muted Barbara.
Speaker 4: It's great to be here. Thank you for having.
Speaker 1: Me, Barbara. I was sharing just before you came on
the program that Martin Luther King Junior preached at Riverside
Church Beyond Vietnam A time to break silence? Barbara, Is
this the time to break our silence?
Speaker 4: Absolutely? And I want to commend the millions of people
who jumped into the streets this last weekend. They were
in the streets on the ninth, They were in the
streets on the tenth, They were in the streets a
lot on the eleventh, you know, protesting ice, protesting the
invasion of Venezuela, the threats against these other nations protesting,
and I want to command every person because it was
called out there. I'm sorry, y'all. It was cold in Minneapolis,
it was cold even in DC. But people showed up
anyway because they were that angered, that distressed by our
nation and the actions that have been taken by this
Trump administration. Folks, mark your calendars down January the twentieth,
the day after MLK Day. Nationally, January the twentieth is
the nationwide walk out on Fascism. It is the first
anniversary of the Trump administration, and it is a protest
of all the unconstitutional, vicious, and evil deeds that this
administration has done. And we're asking everyone to please take
to the streets, walk out of your job, walk out
of your school, walk out of whatever you're doing. At
two o'clock PM Eastern. Two o'clock pm Eastern, we're asking
people to leave your places of employment from and we're
having a two hour walk out from two until four,
and if you want to go longer, start earlier in
the early later. Fantastic. You can get a lot of
information by about this walkout from the Women's March from
Dcproject dot org and I will give even more contacts
as we talk. But it's critical that we the people
continue to show our opposition to this nonsense. I mean,
think about this, most of us. You know, a lot
of people just became aware of Renee you know, Nicole
good because of her vicious murder that was caught on video.
Thank God for the people who video. Keep on video
in people, keep on video. Please please don't ever stop
doing that, because it's the only way we can refute
the lies of the government and the lies of officials.
We need you to keep doing that. But when people
became aware of Renee Good, Goods slave and saw the
lies that were told by Christy Nolan, I mean, just
straight up lies. But that's what fashionsts do. They lie,
and that's what this administration has done. It lies every day.
I said that if they couldn't if they couldn't lie,
they wouldn't be able to talk. That's how bad their
lying is. I'm serious. And they they I mean they,
I mean, they would have nothing to say because all
they do is lie. And I think that the great
thing here is that people were able to see it
for themselves and from all the different angles, uh, you know,
and we're able to see it for themselves, and they
heard that comment that Trump dvanced and nobody else will
talk about uh. And that is the comment at the
after he shot her, that F and B word that
he said, come on now, No, I made.
Speaker 2: Him say that that's correct.
Speaker 4: He was under note threat, had already killed the poor woman,
her car had already crashed, and he's up there celebrating,
said F and B. Well, but I mean, come on, father.
Speaker 1: I've never seen government of for and by the people
more tone deaf to the needs, to the marches, to
the way in which dissent is being expressed about their behavior,
quite like I've seen in the last eleven almost twelve
months of the Trump administration. Is it your opinion that
if the branches of government were more divided, that is,
if Democrats regained control of Congress, that the administration may
be less tone deaf. I know that there is a
movement of foot impeachment articles. Some have even talked about
bringing or for Secretary nome Y. There are others who
have advanced impeachment articles already, including Congressman Al Green or
President of the United States administration officials. Is that the key?
Speaker 4: I think, first of all, let's step back a little
bit on your question, because the first issue is I
don't think they are a governmant for we the people.
They are a government for we the wrinch, we the
all of guards, we the racist, we the uh you know,
we the greedy. But they are not for we the people.
I mean, he makes that clearingity all the time. He
talks about blue and red states, about how he's gonna
persecute the Blue states, and uh, so he's made it
clear that he does not see himself as a president
of all the people. He never talks about being a
president of all the people. In fact, every time he speaks,
he's going after some divide. So mally's, some Mally's who
are living in our country are are the enemy. He
goes at and won't talk about all these billionaire and frosters.
Come on, now, I want to talk. I mean, won't
talk about you know who put asie content on the
on the streets. It wasn't who you think it was.
It was rich folks. Uh and they are richer because
of it. None of them have gone to jail. Come on,
and there's just all these realities that and and who
did he uh pardon he pardoned the biggest drug lord
in the history of bringing tons and tons of drugs
into these United States. He doesn't care about we the people,
that's the reality. He only cares about we the oliguards.
He only wants to make his people richer. Why is
he threatening Jerome Powell? Come on, what is Jerome Powell?
The head of the Federal Reserve mad at him because
he won't do what he wants to do to help,
you know, benefit his rich people. Uh So, folks, this
is this is terrible. We are in a Uh this
is what oligarchs do. Oli Arts invade other non nations
to get their rare earth minerals, their natural resources. Oligarchs,
uh say, you know, put uh police in the streets
and have law enforcement terrorized neighborhoods so people can be
their lives can be destroyed. Oligarchs do this all because
all they want and all they see is the bottom
line house their money growing.
Speaker 1: You know, I find it fascinating the point that you made,
and I wanted to kind of go back and unpack
it for just a moment. That oxycotton, oxy codone, whatever
you want to get, Yes, is a prescription medication.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 1: And these doctors were pushing these drugs. They were dealers,
and it resulted in the depths of hundreds, maybe even
thousands of people, thousands of thousands, old prosecutions. None Now,
fentanyl wherever it's coming from Mexico, South America, where it's
disputed that it even is it is constructed there. Some
have suggested that the raw materials might be there, but
that it's ultimately constructed here in the United States. Yes, fentanyl, crack, cocaine,
and Barbara. Also, when the crack cocaine epidemic came, we
prosecuted not only crack dealers but crack addicts and we
locked them up. But on the question of fentanyl, this
is a health crisis, and the health crisis isn't locking
up people who are addicted to fentanyl. The US government
is trying to find them help and try to find
help for the crack babies.
Speaker 4: And what about Iran Contra? Has everybody forgotten about Iran Contra?
Speaker 1: California, Los Angeles is real familiar with free right, free way.
Speaker 4: Hey, I mean, come on, folks, where where what was
Iran country about? It was the c i A and
the FBI purposefully bringing drugs, cocaine and crack into this country, uh,
purposefully so that they could run their side illegal operations
the money, right, right, Come on, I mean, I mean, folks,
you know, government has to be held accountable. If you
don't hold government accountable, then government would run amok. Uh
you know, uh, you know, ultimate absolute power corrupts this.
It is corruptive, There's no doubt about it. And uh
and this man wants to be a dictator and he
won't have absolute power. And he is uh. Sadly, as
I keep pointing out, he is not. He is not
in the best mental state. And if he were competent
and was this evil, it would be a problem. But
it's really horrendous when you have somebody who is showing
so many signs of incompetence that you have you know this,
you have this, you know, horrific threat, because then there's
no reason, no way to reason with him.
Speaker 1: I do want to pick back up on that. The
narco traffickers, Yes, because there's an entire generation of Americans
who have no appreciation of what we learned in Iran
contract and that is the role of our government in
cutting deals with narco traffickers to allow them to sell
drugs in the United States exactly in exchange for arms
and most of us and for those of us Barbara
who experienced and lived through that period. Yes, it's hard
for us to imagine that Narco africas that Donald Trump
is assassinating and arresting don't have a story to tell
about the work they've been doing with the US government.
Speaker 4: Tell many decades, Tell me and and just you know, folks,
understand your congress appropriate funds too, you know, to all
for all of our federal operations. And what happens is
when they want to go off the book and they
don't want to be responded with, they don't want to
use congressional funds, federal funds, then they they did this
on narco trafficking. And where did they funnel all of
this cocaine and this crack cocaine and all the rest
of it. Where't they send it? Black communities? Black communities.
Speaker 1: It's a dark budget. It's a black budget. It's a
budget that's over at the intelligence agencies, is off budget,
and it is unlimited. And the hole is so deep. Yep,
you can't find an accounting process for the amount of
money they spend in this space.
Speaker 4: It's all all hidden, all off. I mean, it's just
a mess, folks. And that's why, you know, we have
to be cynical, uh and skeptical and questioning when we
hear all of these alleged, you know, concerns about drug dealing.
They're not concerned about drug dealing. I mean, you know,
the folks, very folks who are talking about that are
slurring their words. Uh up there, you know all the
time because they've been using you know what, cocaine. Come on, folks,
don't fall for this.
Speaker 1: When can we expect the Clay decision. It's the Clay
decisions coming down tomorrow.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I said, it's very probable. I mean
it's a good sixty percent chance or more.
Speaker 1: Sometimes in the not too distant future, we'll be looking
at the decision on the voting right teck.
Speaker 4: Yes, the Supreme Court has announced that they have an
opinion day for tomorrow. Remember that the State of Louisiana
asked for a decision by January thirteenth, and there will
be a decision out on January fourteenth. And remember the
way the court works is that they never said an
opinion day until they actually have an opinion.
Speaker 1: To release Barbara. I'm just we're gonna do this and
just a moment, I'm Jesse Jackson Jr. You're listening to
KBLA Talk fifteen eighty more Barbara Arnwine when we come
forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on TBLA Talk
fifteen to eighty, our very special guest in this hour
is our most tenacious guest, Attorney Barbara Arnwine is the
founder of the Transformative Justice Coalition, And just before the break,
I did have a question for Barbara about the Louisiana
versus Clay decision. Barbara, before we go into a deeper
unpacking of the Kalaid decision and the possibility that it
will be released tomorrow, will you share with our listeners
what the decision is all about.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's very likely, very possible it could be released tomorrow.
The court is sitting on you know, two really big cases,
Klay and the tariff case. Uh, and it's gonna be
one of them for sure. Are both Uh, that's called
the court rolls. So I just want everyone to know
that Louisiana versus Klay is a direct threat to African
American Latino Native American voting power, that it is a
case that says basically that the creation of a black
voting majority black voting district in response to years of
racial discrimination and voting by the state of Louisiana, uh
is would be that they're saying, they're arguing that it's
unconstitutional and that it is a quote racial jerrymandering bandar.
So wait a minute. So come on, folks. If somebody
steals your car and you know who it is, and
you know that they planned the theft, they carried out
the theft, what do you want. You want compensation? Right,
what kind of compensation do you want? You want your car.
You want the value in your car and the return
to your car. And so when somebody steals your vote
and says that you cannot elect the choice because we
have drawn the maps that only white people can be
elected from these districts, then your remedy is to have
a district that is constructed where blacks can possibly elect
a candidate of their choice. And so that was the remedy,
a remedy, It was a remedy for past discrimination. But
quote non blacks, you know, fouvel lawsuits saying this is
unfair to us because you know we're being denied. Uh
you know, our right to UH to you know, be
free of discrimination, because this means blacks get you know,
certain rights, and that's unfair under the UH you know,
under our view of the constitution. All of this nonsense.
So it is so important for us to understand that
you who do you have as Chief Justice in the
United States? You got John Roberts. What has John Roberts
built his career on his opposition to the Voting Rights Act.
This is also a case where they're arguing that the
Voting Rights Act itself created out of the shed blood
of African Americans and whites and everybody else who marched
for that Voting Rights Act. They're saying that that act
is unconstitutional, unconstitutional. Why why, okay, everybody, get ready, why
is it unconstitutional? They're saying it's unconstitutional because there's no
more racial discrimination than voting.
Speaker 1: M and maybe the number one factor associated with voting
is race itself. That any people step into a poll
specifically looking for a certain kind of congressman, you've got
it who speaks to their issues, who looks like them,
who experiences the same experiences that they've experienced.
Speaker 4: Parb.
Speaker 1: We got a couple more questions around this Kalay decision. Yes,
vision was the State of Louisiana said that they liked
the decision to be rendered by win.
Speaker 4: January thirteenth, which would have been yesterday today, right today.
Speaker 1: So we could be looking at a decision any moment now,
but certainly sometime possibly this week. If the Court has
a decision, well, the.
Speaker 4: Court only the Court announces his opinion days. There's no
quote surprise opinion days. They announced them advance and they
have announced that the next opinion day will be tomorrow. Okay,
so at ten o'clock tomorrow, all eyes will be trained
on the court.
Speaker 1: So the worst two scenario if the Court strikes down
Section two of the Voting Rights Act, Yes, and therefore
strikes down I would assume the Cleopheels Congressional District in
the State of Louisiana.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 1: Can you share with us your thoughts on the ripple
effect of that decision.
Speaker 4: We don't have to think fair vote and black voters.
Matters has done an amazing report that shows that we
could lose as many as nineteen people of colored from
the Congress, especially African American congressional officials. That we could
lose one hundred and ninety one districts that have been
that are drawn that are doubinly African American, and so
if they go overbroad on using this, we could have
that immediate effect. But worse than that, every time there's
discrimination in voting, we wouldn't be able to fight it
with the Voting Rights Act. People go back to nineteen
sixty five. Nineteen sixty five in Alabama, they're less than
five percent of all blacks were registered. Go back to Mississippi,
Go back to Louisiana, go back to Georgia, Florida, all
these states that South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, all these states, Kentucky, Oklahoma.
Just go back to all these states. Tennessee, Oh, come
on now, come on now, Missouri, you know, let's talk
about it.
Speaker 1: Texas, Illinois, all of our districts are drawn pursuing to
the Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five votes.
Speaker 4: The Voting Rights Act was the most revolutionary piece of
voting of civil rights legislation I repaired. It did more
to accomplish its goals than any other. Fair housing Act
hasn't been as successful as it should be. The Civil
Rights Act. The nineteen sixty four US had a misimpact immense,
but nothing has been as powerful as the Voting Rights Act.
We went from at the time, I believe, help me
get this right. At the time it was passed, we
had like seven blacks in Congress to over sixty now,
so you know, and and I'm clear when I say blacks,
I mean you know, I'm counting the skin color. I
ain't talking about some of this mentality that some of
these folks have, but it's very telling that people hate
black progress. Let's be honest. There's a lot of white supremacists.
Have you guys been seeing what Elon Musk, this man
they allowed, this mass murderer that they allowed to to
run doge this race. Have you been seeing what he's
been posting?
Speaker 1: Barbara, just plic just go ahead. I'm sorry, just before
we go to Elon Musk and hiss twitter posts, I'm
wondering if, given what black voters matter, that said in
their report, yes, any tampering with Section two of the
Voting Rights Act, we give Pam Bondy, the DOJ, the
only authority to bring action in states to immediately change
their maps.
Speaker 4: And you know what she's gonna do. She's already shown
us the whole Texas. Uh, you know, redrawing their maps
in which they wiped out you know, black political seats,
all of this and you know threatening you know, Latino seats.
All of this was done because Pam Bondi demanded it
be done.
Speaker 1: Does that mean Barbara then that essentially this could be
an all deliberate speed case, therefore throwing the twenty twenty
six election into a quandary.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and I also and that's what they want.
You know, they want to destroy the twenty twenty six
election because they know they're going to lose it, especially
when it comes to the House of Representatives, so they
want to do everything they can to steal seats, blocked voters. Uh.
You know, it's it's a major thing in my opinion,
no matter what comes out tomorrow, if it lessens the
protections of the Voting Rights Act, that's a loss. I
don't care. You know, anything that that is passed to
make the Voting Rights Act weaker is a loss for us.
And we got to understand that. And we got to
understand that the answer to that is that you don't
just sit back and say, oh, well, you know, we
need you to stand up and find.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson, and we come forward on fifty. I'm
Jesse Jacksonjr. Welcome for or to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Barbara Arnwine is always on our program breaking news. We
could lose nine nineteen blacks in Congress. Nineteen blacks in
Congress by the end of twenty twenty six. That's a lot.
I got a clip that I'd like to go to
on the unraveling of Mega lay the clip.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump's party has lost control of the House of Representatives,
effectively multiple discharge petitions there now moving bills without the
Republican Party's permission, despite the fact that they nominally control
the House. The Heritage Foundation, which brought us Project twenty
twenty five. Heritage Foundation, is now imploding, with senior staffers
from every department fleeing that far right organization in disgust.
The Turning Point USA Conservative Movement Conference that was held
this weekend was highlighted by the most famous people who
spoke at that conference, all screaming insults and accusations at
each other and pledging to be one another's mortal enemy.
Speaker 3: Couldn't happen to a nicer group.
Speaker 5: The President's two most high profile and ambitious allies in Congress,
Marjorie Taylor Green and Alice Stephonic are now both leaving
Congress and, in Stephanic's case, quitting her run for New
York governor, both of them apparently storming out of the
MAGA movement in disgust. And thousands of people are marching
against Trump in ten degree weather in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Yes, is unraveling, Yes, in a way. Yes. You know
what's interesting. They're having a lot of personality disputes, right,
and they're having disputes over some policy having to do
with Israel. But let's not think that they're not in
agreement on destroying the Voting Rights Act. Let's don't for
a minute think that they're not an agreement all white supremacy.
That's not, for a minute think that they're not in
agreement on making sure that people who are poor are
not receiving help in assistance. Not think for a minute
that somehow they're not in agreement with some of these attacks,
these you know, this bombing of these other nations. Folks.
You know MAGA, Marjorie Taylor Green still holds to most
of her MAGA philosophies. You know, let's be very clear.
It's not that they somehow have demagnetized magnetized they have. Instead,
they're they're disputing priorities and they're disputing personalities. They're disputing
you know, power. They're fighting over twenty twenty eight. You know, folks,
everything you're watching, the destruction of Tim Walts, all this
stuff is over twenty twenty eight. Don't get confused that
they're already at war, you know, trying to figure out
who's going to be in what positions of power for
twenty twenty eight, because they're assuming that despite all of
Trump's nonsense talk that he cannot run for a third term.
It's about power and and who's you know, who's in
what you know, position of power?
Speaker 1: Barbara, could we expect with a Kalay decision in light
of your analysis of the unraveling of MEGA and the
things that they are in agreement on getting Rights Act,
getting rid of the Civil Rights Act?
Speaker 4: You are basically with each other.
Speaker 1: Can uh? Is there any doubt that Pam Bondi is
going to look at blue states, blue cities and see
the ways in which she can redraw entire states.
Speaker 4: Well, remember they start with Texas, that's a red state.
So they listen. They want absolute power, absolute political dominance.
They don't believe in power sharing, period. So anything they
can do anywhere they can do it, they're going to
do it. They're going to go after blue states, but
they're going to go after districts like they did in
Missouri that are held by Democrats. They're going to go
up against you know, Latinos. They're gonna you know. And
one thing I had missed about the whole maps is
that your brother Jonathan educated me about in Texas is
that they destroyed the white district that they consider too progressive,
and they threw out what's Lloyd uh Duncan.
Speaker 1: And Lloyd Doggett.
Speaker 4: Yes, Lloyd Doggett. They redrew his district so that he
can't win.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: So, I just want people to understand that they they
don't care. This is all about raw political dominance. They
don't want a Congress that can hold this man accountable.
They want this man to be uh, you know, given
free reign so that the next person who comes in,
Uh can you know, can uh you know benefit from
that voter suppression? And can you continue to do all
these evil policies?
Speaker 1: Can you share with us how we may support the
Transformative Justice Coalition and your work.
Speaker 4: Yes, please support us. We do this work. We can't
do it without public support. We're blessed that people give
money to tjc UH to do this work because we're
in all these states helping to make sure that political
power is achieved regard without racial discrimination. And so you
can help reach us at TJ Coalition dot org. G
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We are. It's a very simple and easy donation process.
So you can go there and it's going to ask
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vital critical work.
Speaker 1: Why were you were trying to make another point just
before before that?
Speaker 4: Yes, I just have to give a shout out to
the family of Keith Porter. You know, every I you know,
I'm so upset like everyone about the outrageous, racist, misogynistic,
homophobic killing of Miss Renee Nicole Good. But I'm also
concerned about the fact that nobody's talking about our brothers.
Speaker 1: That's Pete Porter.
Speaker 4: Pete Porter was killed right as the we were going
into the New year UH in Los Angeles, out in
North ridge folks. Uh, and was slain by an off
duty was something. And what he was doing is with
my dad and all my uncles always did on New
Year's Eve. My mom would be fussing, but they would
do it anyway. They would go outside and they would
shoot their guns into the air to salute the new year.
A lot of black folks still do it. They do
it in my neighbor here here, good here in Maryland
they do it. And I'm like, oh lord, but we
do it. That's the way we've done it. That's a
way of celebrating the New Year. And that's all he
was doing. And this guy got pissed off that this
black man had the nerve to have a gun and
to him, Uh, shot it into the air and confronted
him and shot him dead for no reason, no good reason,
no threat, no self defense, just mad, you know about
a black man with a gun. So I just, you know,
want his family to know that we will lift up
his voice, that we're going to make sure everybody knows
that Keith Porter also was killed and that he his
death has not gotten the national attention it deserves. So
I'm here to argue on his behalf today.
Speaker 1: What about a minute and seconds for your word of hope.
Speaker 4: Yes, January twentieth, I need you in those streets January twenty,
walk out on fascist January twenty. It say to this administration,
no no, no, no no and uh and I know
you were laughing with you read it was the no no, no,
no no they got me at and you read. Of course,
the other day somebody's analysis on the whole Trump administration
was they need to stop. Stop. So I'm gonna keep
bringing my great analysis.
Speaker 1: Right Barbara, I'm so proud of you. Please support Barbara
at the TJC Coalition dot org. TJC Coalition dot org,
and also continue your support of KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
We welcome all gifts, all grants, all opportunities to keep
free and independent voices right here with KBLA. I'm Jesse
Jackson Jr. You're listening to the Jesse Jackson your show
on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. We've had a wonderful
time in this hour with Barbara and mine. Barbara, I'll
see you next Tuesday.
Speaker 4: I'll see you then and we'll be talking clearly about Klay.
And also congratulations to your brother and all the members
of Congress who are on their way to Minneapolis for
that fill hearing on Friday.
Speaker 1: I'm Jesse Jackson Juior more on KBLA. When'll we come
forward