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<v Speaker 1>Callaroga Shark Media. Hey there, Johnny Mack with your Daily comedy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was. Jerry Seinfeld and Ronnie Chang had a

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<v Speaker 1>discussion printed in Interview magazine, and Jerry said, my daughter

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<v Speaker 1>is writing comedy and I'm teaching her wherever I can.

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<v Speaker 1>But the main thing I teach is, in this life,

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<v Speaker 1>you must always please the comedy gods. They dislike arrogance

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<v Speaker 1>and ego. They will smite you if you display too

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<v Speaker 1>much arrogance, but they will also smite you quickly and

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<v Speaker 1>seriously if you're not bold when the opportunity to presents itself.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually believe in this and we watch it happen

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<v Speaker 1>every single day. Anytime you want somebody do a set,

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<v Speaker 1>the gods right there to smack them. You don't question them,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't argue with them. You accept their judgments. If

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<v Speaker 1>you don't supply what they demand, which has laughs, they

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<v Speaker 1>will make you sorry. It's like a dog and food.

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<v Speaker 1>Your dog is the most wonderful pet. Stop feeding them

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<v Speaker 1>and see how long that lasts. New topic. Ronnie said,

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<v Speaker 1>your generation created the infrastructure of comedy, and in many ways,

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<v Speaker 1>you guys were the pioneers of stand up comedy. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you age into a different perspective. Does your audience age

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<v Speaker 1>with you? Jerry, I've seen many comics girre oled, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>all the guys I love in the sixties. They were old,

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<v Speaker 1>but ages a little different now than it was in

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<v Speaker 1>those days. Forty was pretty old. So it comes down

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<v Speaker 1>again to what the comedy gods require. You. Love must

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<v Speaker 1>be pure. Yeah, the money's great, famous, great, but they'll

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<v Speaker 1>catch you at that if you try to pull that

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<v Speaker 1>crap on them. They're the gods. They see everything. Ronnie,

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<v Speaker 1>Are you trying to convert me to Judaism? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>what this is? Jerry? Sure, But Jews don't look for converts.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why they're so few of us. We sell everything

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<v Speaker 1>else really well, Ronnie. Part of me loving stand up

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<v Speaker 1>comedy is realizing that it's separate from show business or Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 1>At least I used to want Hollywood to give me flowers.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to be acknowledged that I had a good set,

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<v Speaker 1>or I sawed out this venue. But the more I

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<v Speaker 1>do comedy, the more I'm like, nah, I'm glad they

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what I just did. I'm surprised when people

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<v Speaker 1>know that I do stand up comedy. I'm genuinely shocked, Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>That's funny. Stand up comedy is an island off the

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<v Speaker 1>coast of show business. The money we got paid last

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<v Speaker 1>night versus the money Netflix basis, it's connected. I know

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<v Speaker 1>it's not amusing interesting how it happened, but it happened

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen when Chris Rock was offered a big chunk

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<v Speaker 1>of dough to do an election stand up special. What

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<v Speaker 1>she couldn't do? That offers when everything flipped, Then all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, for the first time, it's like, are

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<v Speaker 1>we important, Ronnie? You didn't feel that way with the

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<v Speaker 1>sattires like John Stewart. Jerry, No, you were still in exile.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's invited in a side dish that everybody likes? But

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<v Speaker 1>it's not important, Ronnie. But that's what makes it cool, right.

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<v Speaker 1>It took me so long to realize that what makes

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<v Speaker 1>stand up cool was being the side dish, being outside

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Like you said in your famous award winning speech,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't want to win awards. We want to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the back of the room making fun of people

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<v Speaker 1>getting awards. Jerry, I would like to talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about some of the profanity you use. What's your

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<v Speaker 1>philosophy with that, Ronnie, I don't want to rely on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Are we talking about swear words or just profane premises?

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry profane premises. I don't mind. I shouldn't even be

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<v Speaker 1>doing this in his interview. It's only because your language

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<v Speaker 1>skills are so exceptional. This is my personal opinion. Feel

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<v Speaker 1>free to reject it. But the reason we're paying to

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<v Speaker 1>see Ronnie Chang is because he talks better than us.

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<v Speaker 1>Some comedians say, well, I like to use words to

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<v Speaker 1>help people talk. If I want to hear people talk,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't need to pay for that. I get his

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<v Speaker 1>open the window. It does hit me sometimes when I

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<v Speaker 1>see you use certain words, I go, Ronnie could get

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<v Speaker 1>that same laugh without that word. Not because the words

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<v Speaker 1>are offensive, because they're not, but because it's an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to demonstrate your superior skill level. That's the reason I

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<v Speaker 1>bring it up, Ronnie. I appreciate that. But you've given

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<v Speaker 1>my mother fuel for the rest of her life. She's

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<v Speaker 1>been telling me you gotta be more like Seinfeld. He

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<v Speaker 1>has unswear. Now Seinfeld is literally telling me to stop swearing. Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>My mother wanted me to have more sexual material, Jane,

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<v Speaker 1>are you serious? Jerry, I'm serious in her eighties and

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<v Speaker 1>nineties should complain, why don't you ever talk about sex?

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that funny? Ronnie? Honestly, if your punchline is swearing,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's when it gets a little lazy. But

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<v Speaker 1>pushing herself to not swear at all is a degree

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<v Speaker 1>of difficulty. Sometimes the economy of words makes it so

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<v Speaker 1>that it's the easiest way to get across a certain emotion.

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<v Speaker 1>But I hear you, Tom Papa has told WTP. When

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, the first comedy albums I ever

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<v Speaker 1>heard were George Coroland and Steve Martin. I was in

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<v Speaker 1>like seventh grade and I heard Class Clown and Let's

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<v Speaker 1>Get Small. In one week, my friend's older brothers had

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<v Speaker 1>these albums that it seemed mysterious, and we went in

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<v Speaker 1>and heard these albums. I was always funny as a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>but it dawn on me that week, Oh, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>job out there for grown ups to continue being funny.

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<v Speaker 1>He launched his career in nineteen ninety three New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>where he met Jerry Seinfeld. Tom says that was after

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<v Speaker 1>his TV show when he came back to the clubs

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<v Speaker 1>and he saw me on stage. I thought it was funny.

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<v Speaker 1>I just grabbed on his coattails and didn't let go.

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<v Speaker 1>Sabash in Maniscalco was about keeping the intimacy of a

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<v Speaker 1>comedy show in a big arena. Sebastian said, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we grew up in a world where were always looking

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<v Speaker 1>to screen. Anyway, I've noticed even in my own shows

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<v Speaker 1>that people in the third row were looking up at

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<v Speaker 1>the screen even though I'm right there. So screens are

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<v Speaker 1>very important as well as lighting. I've also tweaked the

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<v Speaker 1>lighting where it brings a little bit more of a

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<v Speaker 1>dramatic look to the stage, so it's almost as if

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<v Speaker 1>we're shooting a special every night in terms of the

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<v Speaker 1>way the arena is lit. Really took some time and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make this more an event than it's been

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. I like my shows in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>and I've had pirotechnics and smoke when i come on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like I'm new to production. But this was

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<v Speaker 1>looked at from a different angle. So yeah, it's been

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<v Speaker 1>along road. It hasn't been easy. You don't become the

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<v Speaker 1>CEO overnight. You got to work your way up. I

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<v Speaker 1>started waiting tables at the four Seasons hotels for seven

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<v Speaker 1>years when I was doing stand up comedy, and here

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<v Speaker 1>we are playing Dilms twenty five years later. I had

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<v Speaker 1>some rat tat tat with weird Al from Interview magazine.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you dance? Aw only on stage when looking

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<v Speaker 1>like an idiot? Is somewhat appropriate? Interview? The world is Ending?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you wearing? Al? Obviously not clean underwear? Interview?

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<v Speaker 1>What eighties fashioned tran? Do you want to make a comeback? Ol?

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<v Speaker 1>Parachute pants? Interview? What song is playing in Heaven? Al?

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<v Speaker 1>Never Going to give You Up? By Rick Astley? Interview

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have any rules for life? Al? Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to others and then just keep doing it even

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<v Speaker 1>if they beg you to stop. The Columbus Underground caught

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<v Speaker 1>up with Mike Kaplan. They said they were listening to

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<v Speaker 1>a set he did for dry Bar Live from the Universe.

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<v Speaker 1>What struck them was my Champlan's pacing. There wasn't a

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<v Speaker 1>wasted moment. How do you purchase pacing, Mike Kamplan? Mike says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a story attached to that particular set. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't take anything away from your praise. Dry Bar

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<v Speaker 1>is a company based in Utah. The recordings are made

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<v Speaker 1>of venue that doesn't have alcohol. It's in a bar.

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<v Speaker 1>But the main deal about the esthetic is that it's

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<v Speaker 1>essentially clean comedy of a specific type. There were very

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<v Speaker 1>specific guidelines and topics they prefer to avoid, if I

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<v Speaker 1>remember correctly, they don't even love it when comedians speak

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<v Speaker 1>meanly about their spouses. I think we settled on about

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<v Speaker 1>an hour's worth of material that we felt was potentially

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<v Speaker 1>perfect for it. Out of the five hours of material

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<v Speaker 1>we had, they only asked for half an hour. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the next month, I decided which half

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<v Speaker 1>hour would be and essentially constructed it, so the whole

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<v Speaker 1>piece was essentially like a cleanest and greatest hits on

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<v Speaker 1>my past decade and a half of work. I decided, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this joke would be a good ending, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think this would be a good beginning, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we group the other jokes. There may be a few

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<v Speaker 1>vegan jokes, few jokes about relationships, few jokes about movies.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a fun thing to put together in a

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<v Speaker 1>again and find new youth in it. It's really funny

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<v Speaker 1>to revisit a joke I wrote fifteen years ago, because

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes it seems like it was almost written by a

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<v Speaker 1>different person in a way. With respect to how I

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<v Speaker 1>achieved my cadence, I guess the simple answer is I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. I did a show the other night in

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, this might not be for you then,

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<v Speaker 1>always going at the same clip. I wasn't the special.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about fascinating stuff there, right. Aaron Chen was

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<v Speaker 1>on Vulture's list of the comedians You Should and Will

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<v Speaker 1>Know Comedy Opinion You'll die on. I really believe that

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<v Speaker 1>the innovative creativity of TikTok and other more unconventional platforms

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<v Speaker 1>and ways of entertaining should be just as valid as

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<v Speaker 1>the conventional modes. Great comedy could be found anywhere. In

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of my TikTok journey, there were some people

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<v Speaker 1>who suggest that I step out of my character for videos.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad I stuck to my gut and didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so grateful that my platform is, for the most part,

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<v Speaker 1>this totally fictional world for me to play in. Best

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<v Speaker 1>advice was from my mom, who told me to keep

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing comedy because, according to her, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>in comedy because you can't help it be funny. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I've been laughing you since you were little. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>all right, fri end of the show. John Marco Cirezi

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<v Speaker 1>was also on the list of the comedians who should

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<v Speaker 1>and will know. His answers were so long, I've split

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<v Speaker 1>this up into like five of these. Check back in

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<v Speaker 1>with John Marco. He says, what I've learned is nothing

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<v Speaker 1>can replicate saying a joke, chunk story out loud in

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<v Speaker 1>have to keep saying until something deep in my subconscious

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<v Speaker 1>screams out a better version loudly enough for me to hear.

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<v Speaker 1>Embarrassment is unfortunately one of the best tools for making comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>I've also tried to fine tune the ability to go Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that might be funny, but who gives an f for? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this joke is in his fine tune, but it's clearly

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<v Speaker 1>what you want to be talking about right now. I

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<v Speaker 1>tend to write far more than I would ever actually

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<v Speaker 1>need stand up wise, and I'm trying to be more

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<v Speaker 1>purposeful in what I choose to spend my creative time on,

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<v Speaker 1>because oftentimes writing a new joke is just an excuse

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<v Speaker 1>to not finish the old one. They got a little

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<v Speaker 1>I really wish I could make money off Twitter. I

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<v Speaker 1>ability to post long videos and make money off tweets.

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<v Speaker 1>Let that speak to just how much I hate Elon

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<v Speaker 1>Musk and how full of bleep I am acting like

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<v Speaker 1>any of these other social media giants are not equally

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<v Speaker 1>contributing to the downfall of civilization and meaningful art. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what's worse, trying to understand algorithms or having

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<v Speaker 1>your entire career depending on whoever the hell book The

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<v Speaker 1>Tonight Show starring Jenny Carson. I would imagine one's opinion

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<v Speaker 1>would entirely depend on if that guy liked you or not,

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<v Speaker 1>Considering I haven't gotten on the Tonight Show now, I'm

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