Speaker 1: Callaroga Shark Media. Hey there, Johnny Mack with your Daily comedy,
Speaker 1: and he was. Jerry Seinfeld and Ronnie Chang had a
Speaker 1: discussion printed in Interview magazine, and Jerry said, my daughter
Speaker 1: is writing comedy and I'm teaching her wherever I can.
Speaker 1: But the main thing I teach is, in this life,
Speaker 1: you must always please the comedy gods. They dislike arrogance
Speaker 1: and ego. They will smite you if you display too
Speaker 1: much arrogance, but they will also smite you quickly and
Speaker 1: seriously if you're not bold when the opportunity to presents itself.
Speaker 1: I actually believe in this and we watch it happen
Speaker 1: every single day. Anytime you want somebody do a set,
Speaker 1: the gods right there to smack them. You don't question them,
Speaker 1: you don't argue with them. You accept their judgments. If
Speaker 1: you don't supply what they demand, which has laughs, they
Speaker 1: will make you sorry. It's like a dog and food.
Speaker 1: Your dog is the most wonderful pet. Stop feeding them
Speaker 1: and see how long that lasts. New topic. Ronnie said,
Speaker 1: your generation created the infrastructure of comedy, and in many ways,
Speaker 1: you guys were the pioneers of stand up comedy. Did
Speaker 1: you age into a different perspective. Does your audience age
Speaker 1: with you? Jerry, I've seen many comics girre oled, I mean,
Speaker 1: all the guys I love in the sixties. They were old,
Speaker 1: but ages a little different now than it was in
Speaker 1: those days. Forty was pretty old. So it comes down
Speaker 1: again to what the comedy gods require. You. Love must
Speaker 1: be pure. Yeah, the money's great, famous, great, but they'll
Speaker 1: catch you at that if you try to pull that
Speaker 1: crap on them. They're the gods. They see everything. Ronnie,
Speaker 1: Are you trying to convert me to Judaism? Is that
Speaker 1: what this is? Jerry? Sure, But Jews don't look for converts.
Speaker 1: That's why they're so few of us. We sell everything
Speaker 1: else really well, Ronnie. Part of me loving stand up
Speaker 1: comedy is realizing that it's separate from show business or Hollywood.
Speaker 1: At least I used to want Hollywood to give me flowers.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be acknowledged that I had a good set,
Speaker 1: or I sawed out this venue. But the more I
Speaker 1: do comedy, the more I'm like, nah, I'm glad they
Speaker 1: don't know what I just did. I'm surprised when people
Speaker 1: know that I do stand up comedy. I'm genuinely shocked, Jerry.
Speaker 1: That's funny. Stand up comedy is an island off the
Speaker 1: coast of show business. The money we got paid last
Speaker 1: night versus the money Netflix basis, it's connected. I know
Speaker 1: it's not amusing interesting how it happened, but it happened
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen when Chris Rock was offered a big chunk
Speaker 1: of dough to do an election stand up special. What
Speaker 1: she couldn't do? That offers when everything flipped, Then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, for the first time, it's like, are
Speaker 1: we important, Ronnie? You didn't feel that way with the
Speaker 1: sattires like John Stewart. Jerry, No, you were still in exile.
Speaker 1: Who's invited in a side dish that everybody likes? But
Speaker 1: it's not important, Ronnie. But that's what makes it cool, right.
Speaker 1: It took me so long to realize that what makes
Speaker 1: stand up cool was being the side dish, being outside
Speaker 1: of it. Like you said in your famous award winning speech,
Speaker 1: we don't want to win awards. We want to be
Speaker 1: in the back of the room making fun of people
Speaker 1: getting awards. Jerry, I would like to talk a little
Speaker 1: bit about some of the profanity you use. What's your
Speaker 1: philosophy with that, Ronnie, I don't want to rely on it.
Speaker 1: Are we talking about swear words or just profane premises?
Speaker 1: Jerry profane premises. I don't mind. I shouldn't even be
Speaker 1: doing this in his interview. It's only because your language
Speaker 1: skills are so exceptional. This is my personal opinion. Feel
Speaker 1: free to reject it. But the reason we're paying to
Speaker 1: see Ronnie Chang is because he talks better than us.
Speaker 1: Some comedians say, well, I like to use words to
Speaker 1: help people talk. If I want to hear people talk,
Speaker 1: I don't need to pay for that. I get his
Speaker 1: open the window. It does hit me sometimes when I
Speaker 1: see you use certain words, I go, Ronnie could get
Speaker 1: that same laugh without that word. Not because the words
Speaker 1: are offensive, because they're not, but because it's an opportunity
Speaker 1: to demonstrate your superior skill level. That's the reason I
Speaker 1: bring it up, Ronnie. I appreciate that. But you've given
Speaker 1: my mother fuel for the rest of her life. She's
Speaker 1: been telling me you gotta be more like Seinfeld. He
Speaker 1: has unswear. Now Seinfeld is literally telling me to stop swearing. Jerry.
Speaker 1: My mother wanted me to have more sexual material, Jane,
Speaker 1: are you serious? Jerry, I'm serious in her eighties and
Speaker 1: nineties should complain, why don't you ever talk about sex?
Speaker 1: Isn't that funny? Ronnie? Honestly, if your punchline is swearing,
Speaker 1: I think that's when it gets a little lazy. But
Speaker 1: pushing herself to not swear at all is a degree
Speaker 1: of difficulty. Sometimes the economy of words makes it so
Speaker 1: that it's the easiest way to get across a certain emotion.
Speaker 1: But I hear you, Tom Papa has told WTP. When
Speaker 1: I was a kid, the first comedy albums I ever
Speaker 1: heard were George Coroland and Steve Martin. I was in
Speaker 1: like seventh grade and I heard Class Clown and Let's
Speaker 1: Get Small. In one week, my friend's older brothers had
Speaker 1: these albums that it seemed mysterious, and we went in
Speaker 1: and heard these albums. I was always funny as a kid,
Speaker 1: but it dawn on me that week, Oh, there's a
Speaker 1: job out there for grown ups to continue being funny.
Speaker 1: He launched his career in nineteen ninety three New York City,
Speaker 1: where he met Jerry Seinfeld. Tom says that was after
Speaker 1: his TV show when he came back to the clubs
Speaker 1: and he saw me on stage. I thought it was funny.
Speaker 1: I just grabbed on his coattails and didn't let go.
Speaker 1: Sabash in Maniscalco was about keeping the intimacy of a
Speaker 1: comedy show in a big arena. Sebastian said, I mean
Speaker 1: we grew up in a world where were always looking
Speaker 1: to screen. Anyway, I've noticed even in my own shows
Speaker 1: that people in the third row were looking up at
Speaker 1: the screen even though I'm right there. So screens are
Speaker 1: very important as well as lighting. I've also tweaked the
Speaker 1: lighting where it brings a little bit more of a
Speaker 1: dramatic look to the stage, so it's almost as if
Speaker 1: we're shooting a special every night in terms of the
Speaker 1: way the arena is lit. Really took some time and
Speaker 1: trying to make this more an event than it's been
Speaker 1: in the past. I like my shows in the past,
Speaker 1: and I've had pirotechnics and smoke when i come on stage.
Speaker 1: It's not like I'm new to production. But this was
Speaker 1: looked at from a different angle. So yeah, it's been
Speaker 1: along road. It hasn't been easy. You don't become the
Speaker 1: CEO overnight. You got to work your way up. I
Speaker 1: started waiting tables at the four Seasons hotels for seven
Speaker 1: years when I was doing stand up comedy, and here
Speaker 1: we are playing Dilms twenty five years later. I had
Speaker 1: some rat tat tat with weird Al from Interview magazine.
Speaker 1: Where do you dance? Aw only on stage when looking
Speaker 1: like an idiot? Is somewhat appropriate? Interview? The world is Ending?
Speaker 1: What are you wearing? Al? Obviously not clean underwear? Interview?
Speaker 1: What eighties fashioned tran? Do you want to make a comeback? Ol?
Speaker 1: Parachute pants? Interview? What song is playing in Heaven? Al?
Speaker 1: Never Going to give You Up? By Rick Astley? Interview
Speaker 1: Do you have any rules for life? Al? Do you
Speaker 1: want to others and then just keep doing it even
Speaker 1: if they beg you to stop. The Columbus Underground caught
Speaker 1: up with Mike Kaplan. They said they were listening to
Speaker 1: a set he did for dry Bar Live from the Universe.
Speaker 1: What struck them was my Champlan's pacing. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: wasted moment. How do you purchase pacing, Mike Kamplan? Mike says, well,
Speaker 1: there's a story attached to that particular set. I hope
Speaker 1: it doesn't take anything away from your praise. Dry Bar
Speaker 1: is a company based in Utah. The recordings are made
Speaker 1: of venue that doesn't have alcohol. It's in a bar.
Speaker 1: But the main deal about the esthetic is that it's
Speaker 1: essentially clean comedy of a specific type. There were very
Speaker 1: specific guidelines and topics they prefer to avoid, if I
Speaker 1: remember correctly, they don't even love it when comedians speak
Speaker 1: meanly about their spouses. I think we settled on about
Speaker 1: an hour's worth of material that we felt was potentially
Speaker 1: perfect for it. Out of the five hours of material
Speaker 1: we had, they only asked for half an hour. Over
Speaker 1: the course of the next month, I decided which half
Speaker 1: hour would be and essentially constructed it, so the whole
Speaker 1: piece was essentially like a cleanest and greatest hits on
Speaker 1: my past decade and a half of work. I decided, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think this joke would be a good ending, and
Speaker 1: I think this would be a good beginning, and then
Speaker 1: we group the other jokes. There may be a few
Speaker 1: vegan jokes, few jokes about relationships, few jokes about movies.
Speaker 1: It was a fun thing to put together in a
Speaker 1: different way than creating a new hour from scratch. It
Speaker 1: was like old costumes that I was trying on again
Speaker 1: and being like, oh, I can stretch this one out
Speaker 1: again and find new youth in it. It's really funny
Speaker 1: to revisit a joke I wrote fifteen years ago, because
Speaker 1: sometimes it seems like it was almost written by a
Speaker 1: different person in a way. With respect to how I
Speaker 1: achieved my cadence, I guess the simple answer is I
Speaker 1: don't know. I did a show the other night in
Speaker 1: New York and it was a French name Matthew in
Speaker 1: the audience with a French accent. I asked him a
Speaker 1: question and I forget what I asked, and he said,
Speaker 1: if you want me to understand, please speak slower. And
Speaker 1: I was like, this might not be for you then,
Speaker 1: not yet. I said that as a joke, but I
Speaker 1: probably think I kept in mind that he was there
Speaker 1: and it became a fun item to return to check
Speaker 1: in with him. I got a lot of notes early
Speaker 1: in my career to slow down, and I understand on
Speaker 1: different nights of different material for different crowds, I'm not
Speaker 1: always going at the same clip. I wasn't the special.
Speaker 1: We're talking about fascinating stuff there, right. Aaron Chen was
Speaker 1: on Vulture's list of the comedians You Should and Will
Speaker 1: Know Comedy Opinion You'll die on. I really believe that
Speaker 1: the innovative creativity of TikTok and other more unconventional platforms
Speaker 1: and ways of entertaining should be just as valid as
Speaker 1: the conventional modes. Great comedy could be found anywhere. In
Speaker 1: the beginning of my TikTok journey, there were some people
Speaker 1: who suggest that I step out of my character for videos.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I stuck to my gut and didn't.
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful that my platform is, for the most part,
Speaker 1: this totally fictional world for me to play in. Best
Speaker 1: advice was from my mom, who told me to keep
Speaker 1: pursuing comedy because, according to her, you have to be
Speaker 1: in comedy because you can't help it be funny. That's
Speaker 1: why I've been laughing you since you were little. Oh
Speaker 1: all right, fri end of the show. John Marco Cirezi
Speaker 1: was also on the list of the comedians who should
Speaker 1: and will know. His answers were so long, I've split
Speaker 1: this up into like five of these. Check back in
Speaker 1: with John Marco. He says, what I've learned is nothing
Speaker 1: can replicate saying a joke, chunk story out loud in
Speaker 1: front of a full audience, even if I haven't come
Speaker 1: up with an alternative line, even if it means I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bomb or worse, get a soft laugh, I just
Speaker 1: have to keep saying until something deep in my subconscious
Speaker 1: screams out a better version loudly enough for me to hear.
Speaker 1: Embarrassment is unfortunately one of the best tools for making comedy.
Speaker 1: I've also tried to fine tune the ability to go Okay,
Speaker 1: that might be funny, but who gives an f for? Yeah,
Speaker 1: this joke is in his fine tune, but it's clearly
Speaker 1: what you want to be talking about right now. I
Speaker 1: tend to write far more than I would ever actually
Speaker 1: need stand up wise, and I'm trying to be more
Speaker 1: purposeful in what I choose to spend my creative time on,
Speaker 1: because oftentimes writing a new joke is just an excuse
Speaker 1: to not finish the old one. They got a little
Speaker 1: bit into money, and he said I should mention that
Speaker 1: I really wish I could make money off Twitter. I
Speaker 1: know it wouldn't be much, but boy, I want the
Speaker 1: ability to post long videos and make money off tweets.
Speaker 1: Let that speak to just how much I hate Elon
Speaker 1: Musk and how full of bleep I am acting like
Speaker 1: any of these other social media giants are not equally
Speaker 1: contributing to the downfall of civilization and meaningful art. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's worse, trying to understand algorithms or having
Speaker 1: your entire career depending on whoever the hell book The
Speaker 1: Tonight Show starring Jenny Carson. I would imagine one's opinion
Speaker 1: would entirely depend on if that guy liked you or not,
Speaker 1: Considering I haven't gotten on the Tonight Show now, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with the former. And that is your comedy news
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