WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.919 --> 00:00:05.160 All right. 2 00:00:05.240 --> 00:00:08.160 Joining us now is Tony Ardaban of Wise Wolf Gold. 3 00:00:08.160 --> 00:00:11.279 Tony has set up David Night dot gold to take 4 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.880 you there and again you can buy gold, silver, small 5 00:00:15.080 --> 00:00:19.239 or large quantities. You can also join a buying group 6 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.399 to save money on a monthly basis. You can determine 7 00:00:22.399 --> 00:00:24.559 how much you want to set aside and you can 8 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:27.519 start to save gold and silver and get that group 9 00:00:27.559 --> 00:00:31.399 discount that's called Wolfpack. You can also find that at 10 00:00:31.760 --> 00:00:33.960 wise wolfdie Gold, or you can go David Knight Die 11 00:00:34.000 --> 00:00:36.320 Gold and let him know that you came through us. 12 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:39.240 So joining us now is Tony Ardaben. Good to see 13 00:00:39.280 --> 00:00:41.880 you and talk to you. Tony, you were busy last week. 14 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:42.920 Tell us a little bit about that. 15 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:47.079 Hey, so well, thanks for having me back as always. Yeah, 16 00:00:47.079 --> 00:00:51.159 I was in the bitcoin conference in Nashville. My son Houston, 17 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:57.000 and I went and stayed from Wednesday through Saturday. And wow, 18 00:00:57.560 --> 00:00:59.039 you know, I had never been to I've never been 19 00:00:59.079 --> 00:01:01.359 to one of the conferences, and I just kind of 20 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:03.200 took it for granted. I've been in the space since 21 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:08.480 twenty sixteen. And even Trump mentioned in his speech about 22 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.719 you know, when he took office, bitcoin was around eight 23 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.879 hundred dollars and then when he left offus it was 24 00:01:14.920 --> 00:01:17.560 thirty five thousand dollars. And I said, well, actually, you know, 25 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.840 I was thinking back twenty sixteen. You know, during the 26 00:01:19.879 --> 00:01:22.560 election year it was down like three hundred and fifty 27 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:25.040 dollars a coin. I remember because I was buying it 28 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:27.560 and I didn't have a lot of money, and everything 29 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.959 I had I put into a bitcoin ATM and just 30 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:35.680 thinking about how different the space is Nowadavid, It's so 31 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:39.239 such a monumental shift that I think we take it 32 00:01:39.280 --> 00:01:43.000 for granted that you have not only a former president, 33 00:01:43.079 --> 00:01:45.719 you have Donald Trump, and of course running for president 34 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:49.239 nominee of a major party, you have RFK Junior. There 35 00:01:49.319 --> 00:01:53.959 was senators. This is something that I guess, I just 36 00:01:54.599 --> 00:01:56.120 I knew that they were talking about. I knew that 37 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.959 he was on the radar. I anticipated Trump was going 38 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.799 to mention something about using it as a strategic reserve asset, 39 00:02:03.480 --> 00:02:08.439 but having RFK Junior up there being very specific about 40 00:02:08.840 --> 00:02:12.560 what strategy he would use as president to buy bitcoin 41 00:02:12.680 --> 00:02:15.319 four reserve asset for the United States. He was saying, 42 00:02:15.479 --> 00:02:18.479 by five hundred and fifty bitcoin a day, he would 43 00:02:18.560 --> 00:02:20.560 order the Treasury to buy five hundred and fifty bitcoin 44 00:02:20.599 --> 00:02:23.759 a day until it reached four million in holdings, which 45 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:26.759 would be a nineteen percent or so of the world's 46 00:02:26.759 --> 00:02:29.400 supply of bitcoin, which is he wanted to put on 47 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:33.039 parody with our supposedly what we hold in gold. I mean, 48 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:36.159 we've had that conversation many times. I'm not sure what 49 00:02:36.159 --> 00:02:38.960 we hold well, I'm not sure what we have an 50 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:43.560 accounting of. But it really is something to watch, David. 51 00:02:43.599 --> 00:02:47.919 I mean, this shift from bitcoin being a subculture, a 52 00:02:48.199 --> 00:02:52.280 fringe thing that I got into in twenty sixteen, to 53 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.919 all of these dignitaries and political candidates and now you 54 00:02:57.000 --> 00:02:59.719 have this is something that in the bitcoin community called 55 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:03.719 game theory, where they've you know, mapped out what would happen, 56 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:07.520 you know, eventually when bitcoin becomes scarce and the price 57 00:03:07.560 --> 00:03:10.439 goes up and it's more valuable that governments start fighting 58 00:03:10.479 --> 00:03:14.879 over bitcoin dominance. I'm not sure I subscribed to that completely, 59 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:18.960 but it is. It's a crazy thing to watch, and 60 00:03:19.520 --> 00:03:21.240 I got to see that. I got to see Edward 61 00:03:21.319 --> 00:03:24.280 Snowden speak and I was really proud of my proud 62 00:03:24.280 --> 00:03:26.280 of my son, and he was really just getting into this. 63 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.039 It was look, I'm a gold and silver precious metals guy, 64 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.800 and I got to watch Michael Sailor get his presentation. 65 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:35.199 One of the things that Michael Saylor put up that 66 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.120 I found really interesting. I've never seen it put that way, 67 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:41.199 but he had on the screen and a big screen, 68 00:03:41.240 --> 00:03:44.199 and he put up all the assets in the world markets, 69 00:03:44.919 --> 00:03:47.319 and you know, by you know, my degree, you know, 70 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:50.159 like so hundreds and hundreds of trillions, and up in 71 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.000 the very left hand corner little tiny spikes, little tiny 72 00:03:54.199 --> 00:03:59.240 uh reference points, was gold, and then behind that with 73 00:03:59.319 --> 00:04:01.879 silver and thencoin. So like the rest of the world, 74 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:05.039 like what do you consider assets or stocks or currency 75 00:04:05.120 --> 00:04:07.199 or whatever. So up in the very left hand corner 76 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.960 was the actual money. And so I thought this, this 77 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:13.080 is an unsustainable model as well, because everything you know, 78 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.759 you talked about before we went live, you were on 79 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:18.319 your show, you were talking about the governments of the 80 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:22.680 world central banks really hoisted themselves up by their own patar. Yes, 81 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.639 we live in an age of fakes. There's so much debt, 82 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:32.279 so much liquidity a fake and again without value, so 83 00:04:32.360 --> 00:04:35.839 that there's we live in an inverse. H it's upside down. 84 00:04:35.920 --> 00:04:37.720 And I think that's that's what a lot of this, 85 00:04:38.680 --> 00:04:41.560 I think political movements in the bitcoin space. It is 86 00:04:41.600 --> 00:04:44.199 really weird. I don't I don't just swallow it hole 87 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.519 because I you know, back in January, I gave a 88 00:04:47.519 --> 00:04:50.279 little talk on my stream. I said, is anybody you 89 00:04:50.279 --> 00:04:53.279 know black Rock and Larry Fink are now pushing bitcoin 90 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:56.800 because of these ETFs. Yeah, so I've mixed emotions on 91 00:04:56.839 --> 00:05:00.160 that because Larry Fink doesn't like gold, so what the 92 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.639 deal about bitcoins? So there's a lot of open questions. 93 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:07.240 But I do think just this monumental movement, it really is, 94 00:05:07.560 --> 00:05:09.639 it really is crazy to watch that. It is the 95 00:05:09.720 --> 00:05:14.560 shift away from the sub culture water into accepted reality 96 00:05:14.639 --> 00:05:15.480 for finances. 97 00:05:15.839 --> 00:05:20.120 Yeah, when we talk about the chart from Sailor, it's 98 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.879 very much like the dead Internet theory that basically the 99 00:05:23.920 --> 00:05:26.959 Internet has been taken over with phony stuff from the government, 100 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.079 and that's what they've done to the financial system, isn't it. 101 00:05:30.040 --> 00:05:32.920 Yes, it's all built on fake and when I've never 102 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:35.839 seen I have to maybe get a copy of screenshot 103 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:37.920 for you. I just was sitting there with my son 104 00:05:37.959 --> 00:05:41.160 and I go, just look at that. So I've never seen, 105 00:05:41.519 --> 00:05:44.199 you know, just all of the amount of currency and 106 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:47.399 debt and what they consider assets, but those could be 107 00:05:47.439 --> 00:05:50.560 paper assets and stock markets and exchanges and other things 108 00:05:50.600 --> 00:05:54.079 that really don't hold value if it's not you know, 109 00:05:54.279 --> 00:05:58.560 real assets, whether it's real estate or or tangible something. 110 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.680 And so that those those were relegated to the very 111 00:06:02.879 --> 00:06:06.279 very very remote corner of the financial math. So I 112 00:06:06.279 --> 00:06:08.680 don't think there's not enough there's not enough real to 113 00:06:08.759 --> 00:06:10.240 go around in this world of fake. 114 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:12.079 And so when you look at it. 115 00:06:12.120 --> 00:06:16.000 You know, my take on Larry Fink as he's talking 116 00:06:16.120 --> 00:06:18.759 about all this stuff, and he really is, I don't 117 00:06:18.759 --> 00:06:21.720 know if it's so much bitcoin as it is ETF stuff, 118 00:06:21.759 --> 00:06:24.040 because when he's talking about it, he actually makes. 119 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:24.839 ETF a verb. 120 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:28.560 He wants to ETF everything, and in a sense that's like 121 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:31.000 making everything a derivative. Of course he would like that. 122 00:06:31.000 --> 00:06:33.240 That's what these people have done. They create these fake 123 00:06:33.560 --> 00:06:37.399 derivative financial instruments that gives them the kind of leverage 124 00:06:37.519 --> 00:06:39.759 to do this. You know, that's where all this fake 125 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.279 stuff comes from. It comes from these derivatives that are 126 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.079 out there. And I think he sees a whole new 127 00:06:44.199 --> 00:06:50.040 area of you know, crypto fakeness and crypto derivatives using 128 00:06:50.079 --> 00:06:53.439 the ETF stuff. That's the thing that concerns me about it. 129 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.120 But what do you think about all these politicians. I mean, 130 00:06:56.160 --> 00:06:59.120 they've got their agenda. Of course, there's a lot of 131 00:06:59.439 --> 00:07:02.839 people that are making contributions to politicians like Tom Emmer. 132 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:06.399 He supports it because he's getting not because he wants 133 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:08.959 to have honest money, but because he's getting a lot 134 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:12.000 of contributions from people who are in the crypto business. 135 00:07:12.079 --> 00:07:15.639 And that's fine, you know, I think that the bitcoin thing, 136 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:20.199 it's good for us to have alternatives to the monopolized 137 00:07:20.720 --> 00:07:24.680 fake system that the government has. But I also suspect 138 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:30.519 of these politicians. Was anything said about CBDC by Trump 139 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:35.920 since Jared Kushner was plotting the beginning of CBDC there 140 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:40.639 with Steve Manuchin, Trump's treasury secretary. When Trump is in office, 141 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:42.319 what did Trump say about CBDC. 142 00:07:43.279 --> 00:07:47.120 Yeah, conveniently nobody brings that up, you know, when Trump 143 00:07:47.160 --> 00:07:49.959 starts talking about CBDC. But yeah, he did that. He 144 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:52.519 did mention in his talk. He said, and there'll ever 145 00:07:52.600 --> 00:07:55.680 be a CBDC while I'm president, right, you know, so 146 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:58.879 like there's not oh there's not a wall either. But 147 00:07:58.920 --> 00:08:01.680 you know, the whole thing with with with him and 148 00:08:01.680 --> 00:08:05.839 his promises, I just it was more interested in again, 149 00:08:05.879 --> 00:08:08.160 I don't think Trump believes any of this. I think 150 00:08:08.199 --> 00:08:10.439 he was literally the way that the speech went, it 151 00:08:10.480 --> 00:08:12.160 looked like he was reading it for the first time. 152 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:14.519 Like if you if you watch him go over is 153 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:19.040 uh the stats on on bitcoin being at the market 154 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:25.160 cap relative to silver, and he said it surpassed silver. Wow. 155 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:26.959 He kind of takes like that's wold, like he's reading 156 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:29.319 it for the first time, like, well, wow, that's that's 157 00:08:29.360 --> 00:08:32.240 pretty amazing. Maybe it'll maybe it'll reach gold, you know, 158 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:36.039 like what he starts going into. But well he did 159 00:08:36.120 --> 00:08:38.519 mention that in some of the other politicians were that. 160 00:08:38.519 --> 00:08:41.159 That was another thing that I thought was I just 161 00:08:41.200 --> 00:08:43.360 didn't expect that. I guess I've been paying attention, but 162 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.960 maybe I just maybe that escaped me. But there really 163 00:08:46.159 --> 00:08:52.200 is a lot more political involvement in bitcoin. Uh. And 164 00:08:52.679 --> 00:08:55.720 just again, this is the the difference between where it 165 00:08:55.919 --> 00:09:00.720 was and what bitcoin has originated and where it is now. 166 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:02.960 I think it's it's got a it's got a story 167 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:04.360 to tell. There is going to be a lot more 168 00:09:04.399 --> 00:09:07.039 that comes out of this with bitcoin. But I think 169 00:09:07.080 --> 00:09:09.799 we have to watch these politicians very closely. What are 170 00:09:09.840 --> 00:09:12.480 they actually trying to do? I mean, you mentioned Larry Fink, 171 00:09:12.519 --> 00:09:15.759 and I wondered, what's the scenario here, what's the end game? 172 00:09:15.759 --> 00:09:18.399 You're right, he does really only he doesn't talk about 173 00:09:18.440 --> 00:09:22.039 you owning bitcoin yourself with your own keys. He's talking 174 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.919 about ETFs and he's talking about controls. 175 00:09:25.039 --> 00:09:26.600 Yeah. I think it's play as derivatives. 176 00:09:26.679 --> 00:09:29.960 Yeah, yes, I think there's something that of course in 177 00:09:30.320 --> 00:09:34.600 BlackRock's connection because of Trump to the FED, to the 178 00:09:34.639 --> 00:09:38.799 Central Bank. Uh again, you know, if a president ordered 179 00:09:38.840 --> 00:09:41.840 the Treasury to start buying bitcoin, what would the Federal 180 00:09:41.879 --> 00:09:44.919 reserve to you know, would it be would it be 181 00:09:44.960 --> 00:09:49.919 akin to jfk executive order on silver, which RFK Junior mentioned, 182 00:09:50.480 --> 00:09:53.159 by the way, Yeah, so I thought that was interesting. 183 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:54.320 What do you say about it? 184 00:09:55.480 --> 00:09:57.519 Well, he just mentioned that his uncle had signed an 185 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.240 executive order on silver wanting to make it somewhat of 186 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:06.440 a permanent monetary class asset, and that you know, after 187 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.759 he was assassinated, all the silver was taken out of 188 00:10:08.759 --> 00:10:12.200 the of the coinage. So it's something that you know, again, 189 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.120 those of us that recognized the conspiracy theory of history, 190 00:10:16.600 --> 00:10:20.679 those that's the direct correlation of you know, JFK along 191 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:23.759 with Abraham Lincoln, like him or not those only two 192 00:10:23.799 --> 00:10:27.679 presidents that printed notes direct from the treasury, and they 193 00:10:27.679 --> 00:10:29.320 were both shot in the head in the public to 194 00:10:29.480 --> 00:10:32.480 channel to Jim Mars. But yeah, I mean that's that's 195 00:10:32.519 --> 00:10:37.639 something that I think directly correlates to JFK haven't been 196 00:10:37.639 --> 00:10:40.039 an enemy to the Federal reserve. He was very skeptical 197 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.559 of the of the Fed's power. 198 00:10:42.320 --> 00:10:45.840 He was very specific about how he would accumulate a big, 199 00:10:46.159 --> 00:10:49.799 big bitcoin reserve. Did he have any other specifics about 200 00:10:49.840 --> 00:10:52.960 things that he talked about CBDC that specific he did. 201 00:10:53.360 --> 00:10:57.039 He did talk about CBDC and he mentioned what his 202 00:10:57.440 --> 00:11:02.000 transformation really came down to being involved in the strike, 203 00:11:02.120 --> 00:11:05.480 the Canadian truckers strike a couple of years ago, and 204 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:08.399 he said that's when he saw that. When he saw that, 205 00:11:08.840 --> 00:11:11.440 you know, the Canadian government's overreach and being able to 206 00:11:11.480 --> 00:11:15.000 freeze accounts and go after people as enemies at the 207 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.200 stage just for peacefully protesting, he looked at alternatives and 208 00:11:18.240 --> 00:11:21.919 found bitcoin. And he's very specific. You know, it's I 209 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:25.559 don't think RFK Junior wasn't handering. He had really I 210 00:11:25.559 --> 00:11:28.639 think thought this through. It seemed very strategic on his 211 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.559 on his part, So of all the people there, I 212 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.559 found him to be the most interesting to watch. And 213 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:36.879 of course you know Trump did come in and he 214 00:11:36.960 --> 00:11:39.519 didn't obviously go as far anywhere near as far as 215 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.000 RFK Junior. But just the mere fact that they're there 216 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.279 and this in this space and then you got this 217 00:11:45.440 --> 00:11:48.399 type of spotlight being shown on it, I didn't think 218 00:11:48.399 --> 00:11:52.120 too David. It's interesting that it's for whatever reason, partisan, 219 00:11:52.480 --> 00:11:55.440 I mean, and you've got mostly it's mostly Republicans that 220 00:11:55.519 --> 00:12:01.159 are you know, four bitcoin or accounting bitcoin. I find bizarre. 221 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:04.039 And of course you know RFK Junior is an independent candidate, 222 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:07.480 so it really highlights the different There is some difference 223 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:11.039 in the in the parties there. I don't trust one 224 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:14.000 of the parties, as you know, I don't I don't 225 00:12:14.039 --> 00:12:16.600 get cheerlead either one of them. But it is weird 226 00:12:16.600 --> 00:12:18.600 that it is somewhat partisan, and of. 227 00:12:18.559 --> 00:12:20.600 Course I forget specifics of it. 228 00:12:20.679 --> 00:12:24.559 But immediately after all this talk about having bitcoin as 229 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:29.360 a reserve, the trumpet, the Biden administration did a massive 230 00:12:30.600 --> 00:12:33.399 move on bitcoin that they hold I forget maybe you know, 231 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:36.360 the specifics of it, but in a way as a 232 00:12:36.440 --> 00:12:40.039 kind of counter and defiance to that, showing that they 233 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:43.519 are still at the gist of it was they wanted 234 00:12:43.559 --> 00:12:46.840 to send a signal, but they're still at war with 235 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:48.480 bitcoin and crypto in general. 236 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:53.200 Right, yeah, absolutely. Some one analysts called it tone deaf. 237 00:12:53.279 --> 00:12:54.879 I don't think it's tone deaf at all. I think 238 00:12:54.919 --> 00:12:58.200 it was indirect defiance of, you know, any kind of 239 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:04.000 future policy to a thousand bitcoin held by the dj 240 00:13:04.240 --> 00:13:08.919 which were all seized assets for people and civil asset forfeiture, 241 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:10.879 you know, and that's what that's what they are, Silk 242 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:13.240 Road or other things like that. It was ross Olbrick. 243 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:16.480 So yeah, they move that. There's no that's not a 244 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:19.320 coincidence at all. It was moved into an unknown wallet, 245 00:13:19.679 --> 00:13:23.159 from a known wallet into an unknown wallet. So they're 246 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:25.360 just doing that just to show the showcase. And you're 247 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:28.639 exactly right that they're still in charge, that there is 248 00:13:29.039 --> 00:13:34.519 a war on crypto and private assets. This is weird. 249 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.039 The tomb of puts on wallet, the tomb of the 250 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:38.960 unknown wallet is where they put it, though we don't 251 00:13:38.960 --> 00:13:41.799 know where it is early right, But also you mentioned 252 00:13:41.879 --> 00:13:46.679 ross Albrick, and Trump mentioned ross Albrick, who he had 253 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:49.519 an opportunity to pardon, but he didn't. I remember there 254 00:13:49.559 --> 00:13:53.480 was a concerted effort by Ross's mom, Lynn, who I've 255 00:13:53.519 --> 00:13:55.480 talked too many times to try to get him to pardon. 256 00:13:55.559 --> 00:13:58.519 But you know, on his uh as he's leaving office, 257 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:02.320 he only pardoned white collar criminals that Jared knew from 258 00:14:02.360 --> 00:14:03.360 Israel or whatever. I mean. 259 00:14:03.399 --> 00:14:04.799 It was basically it was that bad. 260 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:09.360 He didn't want to pardon Snowden or a sign or 261 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.039 Ross Olbrick, but he did mention that he would pardon 262 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:15.039 Ross Albrick, and again that is a. 263 00:14:14.960 --> 00:14:16.039 New found. 264 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:20.759 Issue for him, I guess in the context, Ross Olbrick 265 00:14:20.879 --> 00:14:23.799 is something of a placeholder for the bitcoin community because 266 00:14:23.840 --> 00:14:26.840 one of the reasons that they railroaded him and gave 267 00:14:26.960 --> 00:14:30.039 him consecutive life sentences so he could never get parole 268 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:35.320 was to send a signal about bitcoin, was it. 269 00:14:36.840 --> 00:14:39.279 Well, that's exactly right. They were handing out T shirts 270 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:42.960 at the event and it was like free Ross, you know, 271 00:14:43.080 --> 00:14:45.600 vote Trump, and they were handed those are free and 272 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.720 look a better late than never. And that's somebody there's 273 00:14:48.720 --> 00:14:49.480 a lot of hope. 274 00:14:49.639 --> 00:14:49.960 Yeah. 275 00:14:49.960 --> 00:14:52.200 By the way, I think I may I may have 276 00:14:52.320 --> 00:14:55.360 to pause my my mic here. We got the train 277 00:14:55.440 --> 00:14:58.320 going by my house here Tennis and Texas, David, it's 278 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.000 pretty loud. I may I may have to, uh, you 279 00:15:01.039 --> 00:15:02.600 may have to come back to me here in about 280 00:15:02.759 --> 00:15:03.960 two minutes if you don't mind. 281 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:06.080 That's okay, that's right, all right. 282 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:08.159 I don't hear anything with it yet, but we'll let 283 00:15:08.159 --> 00:15:09.720 you well you will. 284 00:15:09.799 --> 00:15:11.840 Yeah, that's a live I live right next to the 285 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:13.919 train track in the old house built in the forties. 286 00:15:14.159 --> 00:15:17.240 There you go. You can hear the train. It's a 287 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:17.840 lot of fun. 288 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:19.120 I don't hear it. You're here. 289 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:21.639 It there, but we don't hear it over the microphone. Yeah, okay, 290 00:15:21.919 --> 00:15:23.519 let's do Yeah, yeah. 291 00:15:23.519 --> 00:15:26.799 Okay, Well normally, normally it's a it's a pretty loud, 292 00:15:26.879 --> 00:15:31.120 pretty loud event. I have to pause it whenever I'm broadcasting. Okay, Yeah, 293 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.440 but yeah, they were giving out free shirts and you know, 294 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:36.639 offered me one, and I felt I felt bad for them, 295 00:15:36.679 --> 00:15:39.440 as like, you know, again, Trump was already president, and 296 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:42.679 I don't I can't suspend disbelief long enough to go, 297 00:15:42.720 --> 00:15:44.919 oh yeah, as soon as he's like, well, maybe that's 298 00:15:44.919 --> 00:15:46.879 the case, and maybe they've broken through, maybe he has 299 00:15:46.919 --> 00:15:51.200 had some kind of change in policy or that's advantageous now. Uh, 300 00:15:51.240 --> 00:15:52.879 And a lot of things had to happen for that 301 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:56.159 to to take place. So I really really do hope 302 00:15:56.159 --> 00:16:00.759 that he does pardon Ross and that that, yeah, that happens. 303 00:16:01.679 --> 00:16:05.399 But when I see things like that, it's very partisan. 304 00:16:06.000 --> 00:16:07.519 You know, vote Trump, he's going to do this, and 305 00:16:07.559 --> 00:16:09.080 that there was a lot of people there in the 306 00:16:09.080 --> 00:16:11.759 MAGA movement because of you know, you know, it's a 307 00:16:11.840 --> 00:16:14.200 thousand dollars a ticket to get to get into the 308 00:16:14.240 --> 00:16:17.960 general seating. So it wasn't like a huge MAGA rally, 309 00:16:18.000 --> 00:16:21.200 but it was very, very very busy, very talented. Well 310 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:22.720 for Trump speech. 311 00:16:23.039 --> 00:16:26.080 Well, that's interesting and it'll be interesting to see what happens. 312 00:16:26.120 --> 00:16:28.840 So how do you take things? And of course there's 313 00:16:28.919 --> 00:16:35.639 been this such a crazy election cycle last talk, so 314 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:38.759 many things have happened. So what do you think, I mean, 315 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:41.679 you think that I know, everybody was cheering on Trump 316 00:16:41.720 --> 00:16:45.559 because he's now thrown his hat in on the side 317 00:16:45.559 --> 00:16:49.240 of bitcoin as it's become a political dividing line now. 318 00:16:50.080 --> 00:16:51.679 But how do you see this? 319 00:16:51.960 --> 00:16:55.120 Do you think we're too far away to make any 320 00:16:55.120 --> 00:16:58.840 predictions or do you think that Trump is going to 321 00:16:58.879 --> 00:17:00.879 be able to pull it out? With Lala Harris, I mean, 322 00:17:00.919 --> 00:17:04.799 she's pretty flaky, but again she is for the most part, 323 00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:07.000 a fresh face for a lot of these people, and 324 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:09.039 you know, Trump's been around now for eight years, a 325 00:17:09.039 --> 00:17:11.839 lot of people really hate him. So I don't know 326 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:17.079 how to make this how to call this election, especially 327 00:17:17.119 --> 00:17:20.279 because we've got both sides are certain that their side 328 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:22.519 is going to win. That's my real concern is that 329 00:17:22.559 --> 00:17:26.200 it's going to trigger violence, perhaps even a civil war. 330 00:17:26.319 --> 00:17:28.839 Who knows how they'll use it and how they're setting 331 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:30.799 this thing up. What's your general take on the election. 332 00:17:30.839 --> 00:17:33.200 We don't usually talk that much about politics, but since 333 00:17:33.200 --> 00:17:36.480 we're talking about Trump and the Bitcoin conference, what's your 334 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:36.960 take on it. 335 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.839 Well, prior to Biden getting out, I felt like it's 336 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:47.319 pretty much anabibility that Trump would be re elected or 337 00:17:47.359 --> 00:17:53.400 re selected. I don't know. Now there's a wild card there. 338 00:17:53.440 --> 00:17:57.319 And the thing is, I don't think that Kamala Harris 339 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.960 is necessarily going to get a lot more votes than 340 00:18:00.079 --> 00:18:02.960 Joe Biden would have. I think that our politics have 341 00:18:03.079 --> 00:18:05.599 are defined now by demographics. I think that's what a 342 00:18:05.640 --> 00:18:07.640 lot of people are. I don't even know why anybody 343 00:18:07.680 --> 00:18:10.480 would study political science anymore. All you have to do 344 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:13.200 is shift the demographics to like a California, and then 345 00:18:13.200 --> 00:18:15.880 you just have a ruling class. You have a doesn't matter. 346 00:18:16.400 --> 00:18:18.319 You can run a dead person. As long as there's 347 00:18:18.480 --> 00:18:22.519 a D there, then you win. I mean once the state, 348 00:18:22.839 --> 00:18:27.000 once an area goes demographically blue, does it turned back red. 349 00:18:27.559 --> 00:18:30.160 That doesn't happen. Only red states termed purple and then 350 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:32.880 blue blue states don't go red. When I was a 351 00:18:32.920 --> 00:18:36.119 kid in Texas, there was a the Democratic Party was 352 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:40.200 still very prominent. This is you know LBJ country, blue 353 00:18:40.200 --> 00:18:44.000 dog Democrats. And you remember Anne Richards was governor back 354 00:18:44.039 --> 00:18:48.799 in the early nineties. She was eventually defeated by somehow 355 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:54.519 a very cogent George W. Bush. And then if you 356 00:18:54.559 --> 00:18:56.519 look look at those old tapes, like, how is that guy? 357 00:18:56.519 --> 00:18:58.319 He's the same guy that was president and he used 358 00:18:58.319 --> 00:19:02.240 to be Nobody told him to act dumb yet I guess. 359 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:05.640 But and Richards was a Democrat, she was governor of Texas. 360 00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:09.359 It was very much a Democratic state, a blue dog 361 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:13.839 Democrat state. Now it turned into the I'm with you, 362 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:17.680 I distained the red blue identifiers. I know what that 363 00:19:17.839 --> 00:19:21.000 syop is. But it turned into a Republican state. And 364 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:26.240 you know, now it's republican. That doesn't happen with that 365 00:19:26.279 --> 00:19:29.039 doesn't happen anymore. It doesn't happen with you know, it's 366 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:30.599 not gonna happen that the state's not going to go 367 00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:32.920 from from a blue state to a deep root state 368 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:36.319 or anything like that. So I think what we're really 369 00:19:36.319 --> 00:19:40.279 going to watch here is an actual campaign, which I 370 00:19:40.279 --> 00:19:44.240 think Trump's running somewhat of a campaign, versus what Tamala 371 00:19:44.279 --> 00:19:46.759 Harris is going to run, which is just demographics. I mean, 372 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:50.000 they're just gonna the key points, the identifiers for those 373 00:19:50.039 --> 00:19:53.000 people that vote that way. And it doesn't matter what 374 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:55.880 her policies are going to be, It doesn't matter what 375 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:58.359 her politics are, it doesn't matter even if she has 376 00:19:58.400 --> 00:20:00.759 a gaff I don't think that really or just not 377 00:20:00.799 --> 00:20:02.920 in the same country anymore. This is not This is 378 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.960 not nineteen eighty four Reagan versus Mandel, where Reagan can 379 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.880 get a you know, a forty eight state landslide. It 380 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:14.279 doesn't work that way. I just think whatever people are 381 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:17.480 already drawing their lines of where they are the Republican 382 00:20:17.559 --> 00:20:23.039 Party and Trump's base is shrinking. It's not growing. It's 383 00:20:23.039 --> 00:20:25.720 a shrinking base, unfortunately because of the things that the 384 00:20:25.759 --> 00:20:29.240 Republican Party have done to this country, whether it's you know, 385 00:20:29.319 --> 00:20:33.599 outsourcing jobs or insourcing people, you know, and not doing 386 00:20:33.599 --> 00:20:37.039 anything about the border. Mass immigration. I mean, we import 387 00:20:37.279 --> 00:20:41.880 a million legal immigrants a year, a million that's not 388 00:20:42.319 --> 00:20:45.480 illegal immigration, it's just a regular immigration. And eighty percent 389 00:20:45.519 --> 00:20:48.200 of all new immigrants vote Democrats. So eight hundred thousand 390 00:20:48.200 --> 00:20:52.640 new Democrats a year, just regardless. That's not counting the 391 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.240 factories in the universities that turn out left wing young 392 00:20:57.279 --> 00:21:02.039 adults all over the country, in school systems and television 393 00:21:02.039 --> 00:21:06.039 and culture. So that's the cards are stacked against anybody 394 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:10.759 that carries anything of a conservative mantle. And I don't know. 395 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:14.680 Trump's still not really running on anything substantive. It's more 396 00:21:14.720 --> 00:21:17.279 like a culture personality. I mean, we have the assassination 397 00:21:17.400 --> 00:21:20.000 attempt that garnered him, a lot of the iconic photos 398 00:21:20.039 --> 00:21:23.440 and all that, but still policy, I haven't heard policy, 399 00:21:24.000 --> 00:21:27.960 you know, accept things that are alarming, like the trade 400 00:21:28.000 --> 00:21:31.559 war stuff. So I don't know, David, I really I 401 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:33.640