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Speaker 2: So joining us now is Tony Ardaben. Good to see
Speaker 2: you and talk to you. Tony, you were busy last week.
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 3: Hey, so well, thanks for having me back as always. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I was in the bitcoin conference in Nashville. My son Houston,
Speaker 3: and I went and stayed from Wednesday through Saturday. And wow,
Speaker 3: you know, I had never been to I've never been
Speaker 3: to one of the conferences, and I just kind of
Speaker 3: took it for granted. I've been in the space since
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen. And even Trump mentioned in his speech about
Speaker 3: you know, when he took office, bitcoin was around eight
Speaker 3: hundred dollars and then when he left offus it was
Speaker 3: thirty five thousand dollars. And I said, well, actually, you know,
Speaker 3: I was thinking back twenty sixteen. You know, during the
Speaker 3: election year it was down like three hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: dollars a coin. I remember because I was buying it
Speaker 3: and I didn't have a lot of money, and everything
Speaker 3: I had I put into a bitcoin ATM and just
Speaker 3: thinking about how different the space is Nowadavid, It's so
Speaker 3: such a monumental shift that I think we take it
Speaker 3: for granted that you have not only a former president,
Speaker 3: you have Donald Trump, and of course running for president
Speaker 3: nominee of a major party, you have RFK Junior. There
Speaker 3: was senators. This is something that I guess, I just
Speaker 3: I knew that they were talking about. I knew that
Speaker 3: he was on the radar. I anticipated Trump was going
Speaker 3: to mention something about using it as a strategic reserve asset,
Speaker 3: but having RFK Junior up there being very specific about
Speaker 3: what strategy he would use as president to buy bitcoin
Speaker 3: four reserve asset for the United States. He was saying,
Speaker 3: by five hundred and fifty bitcoin a day, he would
Speaker 3: order the Treasury to buy five hundred and fifty bitcoin
Speaker 3: a day until it reached four million in holdings, which
Speaker 3: would be a nineteen percent or so of the world's
Speaker 3: supply of bitcoin, which is he wanted to put on
Speaker 3: parody with our supposedly what we hold in gold. I mean,
Speaker 3: we've had that conversation many times. I'm not sure what
Speaker 3: we hold well, I'm not sure what we have an
Speaker 3: accounting of. But it really is something to watch, David.
Speaker 3: I mean, this shift from bitcoin being a subculture, a
Speaker 3: fringe thing that I got into in twenty sixteen, to
Speaker 3: all of these dignitaries and political candidates and now you
Speaker 3: have this is something that in the bitcoin community called
Speaker 3: game theory, where they've you know, mapped out what would happen,
Speaker 3: you know, eventually when bitcoin becomes scarce and the price
Speaker 3: goes up and it's more valuable that governments start fighting
Speaker 3: over bitcoin dominance. I'm not sure I subscribed to that completely,
Speaker 3: but it is. It's a crazy thing to watch, and
Speaker 3: I got to see that. I got to see Edward
Speaker 3: Snowden speak and I was really proud of my proud
Speaker 3: of my son, and he was really just getting into this.
Speaker 3: It was look, I'm a gold and silver precious metals guy,
Speaker 3: and I got to watch Michael Sailor get his presentation.
Speaker 3: One of the things that Michael Saylor put up that
Speaker 3: I found really interesting. I've never seen it put that way,
Speaker 3: but he had on the screen and a big screen,
Speaker 3: and he put up all the assets in the world markets,
Speaker 3: and you know, by you know, my degree, you know,
Speaker 3: like so hundreds and hundreds of trillions, and up in
Speaker 3: the very left hand corner little tiny spikes, little tiny
Speaker 3: uh reference points, was gold, and then behind that with
Speaker 3: silver and thencoin. So like the rest of the world,
Speaker 3: like what do you consider assets or stocks or currency
Speaker 3: or whatever. So up in the very left hand corner
Speaker 3: was the actual money. And so I thought this, this
Speaker 3: is an unsustainable model as well, because everything you know,
Speaker 3: you talked about before we went live, you were on
Speaker 3: your show, you were talking about the governments of the
Speaker 3: world central banks really hoisted themselves up by their own patar. Yes,
Speaker 3: we live in an age of fakes. There's so much debt,
Speaker 3: so much liquidity a fake and again without value, so
Speaker 3: that there's we live in an inverse. H it's upside down.
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's what a lot of this,
Speaker 3: I think political movements in the bitcoin space. It is
Speaker 3: really weird. I don't I don't just swallow it hole
Speaker 3: because I you know, back in January, I gave a
Speaker 3: little talk on my stream. I said, is anybody you
Speaker 3: know black Rock and Larry Fink are now pushing bitcoin
Speaker 3: because of these ETFs. Yeah, so I've mixed emotions on
Speaker 3: that because Larry Fink doesn't like gold, so what the
Speaker 3: deal about bitcoins? So there's a lot of open questions.
Speaker 3: But I do think just this monumental movement, it really is,
Speaker 3: it really is crazy to watch that. It is the
Speaker 3: shift away from the sub culture water into accepted reality
Speaker 3: for finances.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when we talk about the chart from Sailor, it's
Speaker 2: very much like the dead Internet theory that basically the
Speaker 2: Internet has been taken over with phony stuff from the government,
Speaker 2: and that's what they've done to the financial system, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yes, it's all built on fake and when I've never
Speaker 3: seen I have to maybe get a copy of screenshot
Speaker 3: for you. I just was sitting there with my son
Speaker 3: and I go, just look at that. So I've never seen,
Speaker 3: you know, just all of the amount of currency and
Speaker 3: debt and what they consider assets, but those could be
Speaker 3: paper assets and stock markets and exchanges and other things
Speaker 3: that really don't hold value if it's not you know,
Speaker 3: real assets, whether it's real estate or or tangible something.
Speaker 3: And so that those those were relegated to the very
Speaker 3: very very remote corner of the financial math. So I
Speaker 3: don't think there's not enough there's not enough real to
Speaker 3: go around in this world of fake.
Speaker 1: And so when you look at it.
Speaker 2: You know, my take on Larry Fink as he's talking
Speaker 2: about all this stuff, and he really is, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it's so much bitcoin as it is ETF stuff,
Speaker 2: because when he's talking about it, he actually makes.
Speaker 1: ETF a verb.
Speaker 2: He wants to ETF everything, and in a sense that's like
Speaker 2: making everything a derivative. Of course he would like that.
Speaker 2: That's what these people have done. They create these fake
Speaker 2: derivative financial instruments that gives them the kind of leverage
Speaker 2: to do this. You know, that's where all this fake
Speaker 2: stuff comes from. It comes from these derivatives that are
Speaker 2: out there. And I think he sees a whole new
Speaker 2: area of you know, crypto fakeness and crypto derivatives using
Speaker 2: the ETF stuff. That's the thing that concerns me about it.
Speaker 2: But what do you think about all these politicians. I mean,
Speaker 2: they've got their agenda. Of course, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people that are making contributions to politicians like Tom Emmer.
Speaker 2: He supports it because he's getting not because he wants
Speaker 2: to have honest money, but because he's getting a lot
Speaker 2: of contributions from people who are in the crypto business.
Speaker 2: And that's fine, you know, I think that the bitcoin thing,
Speaker 2: it's good for us to have alternatives to the monopolized
Speaker 2: fake system that the government has. But I also suspect
Speaker 2: of these politicians. Was anything said about CBDC by Trump
Speaker 2: since Jared Kushner was plotting the beginning of CBDC there
Speaker 2: with Steve Manuchin, Trump's treasury secretary. When Trump is in office,
Speaker 2: what did Trump say about CBDC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, conveniently nobody brings that up, you know, when Trump
Speaker 3: starts talking about CBDC. But yeah, he did that. He
Speaker 3: did mention in his talk. He said, and there'll ever
Speaker 3: be a CBDC while I'm president, right, you know, so
Speaker 3: like there's not oh there's not a wall either. But
Speaker 3: you know, the whole thing with with with him and
Speaker 3: his promises, I just it was more interested in again,
Speaker 3: I don't think Trump believes any of this. I think
Speaker 3: he was literally the way that the speech went, it
Speaker 3: looked like he was reading it for the first time.
Speaker 3: Like if you if you watch him go over is
Speaker 3: uh the stats on on bitcoin being at the market
Speaker 3: cap relative to silver, and he said it surpassed silver. Wow.
Speaker 3: He kind of takes like that's wold, like he's reading
Speaker 3: it for the first time, like, well, wow, that's that's
Speaker 3: pretty amazing. Maybe it'll maybe it'll reach gold, you know,
Speaker 3: like what he starts going into. But well he did
Speaker 3: mention that in some of the other politicians were that.
Speaker 3: That was another thing that I thought was I just
Speaker 3: didn't expect that. I guess I've been paying attention, but
Speaker 3: maybe I just maybe that escaped me. But there really
Speaker 3: is a lot more political involvement in bitcoin. Uh. And
Speaker 3: just again, this is the the difference between where it
Speaker 3: was and what bitcoin has originated and where it is now.
Speaker 3: I think it's it's got a it's got a story
Speaker 3: to tell. There is going to be a lot more
Speaker 3: that comes out of this with bitcoin. But I think
Speaker 3: we have to watch these politicians very closely. What are
Speaker 3: they actually trying to do? I mean, you mentioned Larry Fink,
Speaker 3: and I wondered, what's the scenario here, what's the end game?
Speaker 3: You're right, he does really only he doesn't talk about
Speaker 3: you owning bitcoin yourself with your own keys. He's talking
Speaker 3: about ETFs and he's talking about controls.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think it's play as derivatives.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I think there's something that of course in
Speaker 3: BlackRock's connection because of Trump to the FED, to the
Speaker 3: Central Bank. Uh again, you know, if a president ordered
Speaker 3: the Treasury to start buying bitcoin, what would the Federal
Speaker 3: reserve to you know, would it be would it be
Speaker 3: akin to jfk executive order on silver, which RFK Junior mentioned,
Speaker 3: by the way, Yeah, so I thought that was interesting.
Speaker 1: What do you say about it?
Speaker 3: Well, he just mentioned that his uncle had signed an
Speaker 3: executive order on silver wanting to make it somewhat of
Speaker 3: a permanent monetary class asset, and that you know, after
Speaker 3: he was assassinated, all the silver was taken out of
Speaker 3: the of the coinage. So it's something that you know, again,
Speaker 3: those of us that recognized the conspiracy theory of history,
Speaker 3: those that's the direct correlation of you know, JFK along
Speaker 3: with Abraham Lincoln, like him or not those only two
Speaker 3: presidents that printed notes direct from the treasury, and they
Speaker 3: were both shot in the head in the public to
Speaker 3: channel to Jim Mars. But yeah, I mean that's that's
Speaker 3: something that I think directly correlates to JFK haven't been
Speaker 3: an enemy to the Federal reserve. He was very skeptical
Speaker 3: of the of the Fed's power.
Speaker 2: He was very specific about how he would accumulate a big,
Speaker 2: big bitcoin reserve. Did he have any other specifics about
Speaker 2: things that he talked about CBDC that specific he did.
Speaker 3: He did talk about CBDC and he mentioned what his
Speaker 3: transformation really came down to being involved in the strike,
Speaker 3: the Canadian truckers strike a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 3: he said that's when he saw that. When he saw that,
Speaker 3: you know, the Canadian government's overreach and being able to
Speaker 3: freeze accounts and go after people as enemies at the
Speaker 3: stage just for peacefully protesting, he looked at alternatives and
Speaker 3: found bitcoin. And he's very specific. You know, it's I
Speaker 3: don't think RFK Junior wasn't handering. He had really I
Speaker 3: think thought this through. It seemed very strategic on his
Speaker 3: on his part, So of all the people there, I
Speaker 3: found him to be the most interesting to watch. And
Speaker 3: of course you know Trump did come in and he
Speaker 3: didn't obviously go as far anywhere near as far as
Speaker 3: RFK Junior. But just the mere fact that they're there
Speaker 3: and this in this space and then you got this
Speaker 3: type of spotlight being shown on it, I didn't think
Speaker 3: too David. It's interesting that it's for whatever reason, partisan,
Speaker 3: I mean, and you've got mostly it's mostly Republicans that
Speaker 3: are you know, four bitcoin or accounting bitcoin. I find bizarre.
Speaker 3: And of course you know RFK Junior is an independent candidate,
Speaker 3: so it really highlights the different There is some difference
Speaker 3: in the in the parties there. I don't trust one
Speaker 3: of the parties, as you know, I don't I don't
Speaker 3: get cheerlead either one of them. But it is weird
Speaker 3: that it is somewhat partisan, and of.
Speaker 1: Course I forget specifics of it.
Speaker 2: But immediately after all this talk about having bitcoin as
Speaker 2: a reserve, the trumpet, the Biden administration did a massive
Speaker 2: move on bitcoin that they hold I forget maybe you know,
Speaker 2: the specifics of it, but in a way as a
Speaker 2: kind of counter and defiance to that, showing that they
Speaker 2: are still at the gist of it was they wanted
Speaker 2: to send a signal, but they're still at war with
Speaker 2: bitcoin and crypto in general.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely. Some one analysts called it tone deaf.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's tone deaf at all. I think
Speaker 3: it was indirect defiance of, you know, any kind of
Speaker 3: future policy to a thousand bitcoin held by the dj
Speaker 3: which were all seized assets for people and civil asset forfeiture,
Speaker 3: you know, and that's what that's what they are, Silk
Speaker 3: Road or other things like that. It was ross Olbrick.
Speaker 3: So yeah, they move that. There's no that's not a
Speaker 3: coincidence at all. It was moved into an unknown wallet,
Speaker 3: from a known wallet into an unknown wallet. So they're
Speaker 3: just doing that just to show the showcase. And you're
Speaker 3: exactly right that they're still in charge, that there is
Speaker 3: a war on crypto and private assets. This is weird.
Speaker 2: The tomb of puts on wallet, the tomb of the
Speaker 2: unknown wallet is where they put it, though we don't
Speaker 2: know where it is early right, But also you mentioned
Speaker 2: ross Albrick, and Trump mentioned ross Albrick, who he had
Speaker 2: an opportunity to pardon, but he didn't. I remember there
Speaker 2: was a concerted effort by Ross's mom, Lynn, who I've
Speaker 2: talked too many times to try to get him to pardon.
Speaker 2: But you know, on his uh as he's leaving office,
Speaker 2: he only pardoned white collar criminals that Jared knew from
Speaker 2: Israel or whatever. I mean.
Speaker 1: It was basically it was that bad.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to pardon Snowden or a sign or
Speaker 2: Ross Olbrick, but he did mention that he would pardon
Speaker 2: Ross Albrick, and again that is a.
Speaker 1: New found.
Speaker 2: Issue for him, I guess in the context, Ross Olbrick
Speaker 2: is something of a placeholder for the bitcoin community because
Speaker 2: one of the reasons that they railroaded him and gave
Speaker 2: him consecutive life sentences so he could never get parole
Speaker 2: was to send a signal about bitcoin, was it.
Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. They were handing out T shirts
Speaker 3: at the event and it was like free Ross, you know,
Speaker 3: vote Trump, and they were handed those are free and
Speaker 3: look a better late than never. And that's somebody there's
Speaker 3: a lot of hope.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: By the way, I think I may I may have
Speaker 3: to pause my my mic here. We got the train
Speaker 3: going by my house here Tennis and Texas, David, it's
Speaker 3: pretty loud. I may I may have to, uh, you
Speaker 3: may have to come back to me here in about
Speaker 3: two minutes if you don't mind.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's right, all right.
Speaker 2: I don't hear anything with it yet, but we'll let
Speaker 2: you well you will.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a live I live right next to the
Speaker 3: train track in the old house built in the forties.
Speaker 3: There you go. You can hear the train. It's a
Speaker 3: lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I don't hear it. You're here.
Speaker 2: It there, but we don't hear it over the microphone. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 2: let's do Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well normally, normally it's a it's a pretty loud,
Speaker 3: pretty loud event. I have to pause it whenever I'm broadcasting. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 3: but yeah, they were giving out free shirts and you know,
Speaker 3: offered me one, and I felt I felt bad for them,
Speaker 3: as like, you know, again, Trump was already president, and
Speaker 3: I don't I can't suspend disbelief long enough to go,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, as soon as he's like, well, maybe that's
Speaker 3: the case, and maybe they've broken through, maybe he has
Speaker 3: had some kind of change in policy or that's advantageous now. Uh,
Speaker 3: And a lot of things had to happen for that
Speaker 3: to to take place. So I really really do hope
Speaker 3: that he does pardon Ross and that that, yeah, that happens.
Speaker 3: But when I see things like that, it's very partisan.
Speaker 3: You know, vote Trump, he's going to do this, and
Speaker 3: that there was a lot of people there in the
Speaker 3: MAGA movement because of you know, you know, it's a
Speaker 3: thousand dollars a ticket to get to get into the
Speaker 3: general seating. So it wasn't like a huge MAGA rally,
Speaker 3: but it was very, very very busy, very talented. Well
Speaker 3: for Trump speech.
Speaker 2: Well, that's interesting and it'll be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 2: So how do you take things? And of course there's
Speaker 2: been this such a crazy election cycle last talk, so
Speaker 2: many things have happened. So what do you think, I mean,
Speaker 2: you think that I know, everybody was cheering on Trump
Speaker 2: because he's now thrown his hat in on the side
Speaker 2: of bitcoin as it's become a political dividing line now.
Speaker 1: But how do you see this?
Speaker 2: Do you think we're too far away to make any
Speaker 2: predictions or do you think that Trump is going to
Speaker 2: be able to pull it out? With Lala Harris, I mean,
Speaker 2: she's pretty flaky, but again she is for the most part,
Speaker 2: a fresh face for a lot of these people, and
Speaker 2: you know, Trump's been around now for eight years, a
Speaker 2: lot of people really hate him. So I don't know
Speaker 2: how to make this how to call this election, especially
Speaker 2: because we've got both sides are certain that their side
Speaker 2: is going to win. That's my real concern is that
Speaker 2: it's going to trigger violence, perhaps even a civil war.
Speaker 2: Who knows how they'll use it and how they're setting
Speaker 2: this thing up. What's your general take on the election.
Speaker 2: We don't usually talk that much about politics, but since
Speaker 2: we're talking about Trump and the Bitcoin conference, what's your
Speaker 2: take on it.
Speaker 3: Well, prior to Biden getting out, I felt like it's
Speaker 3: pretty much anabibility that Trump would be re elected or
Speaker 3: re selected. I don't know. Now there's a wild card there.
Speaker 3: And the thing is, I don't think that Kamala Harris
Speaker 3: is necessarily going to get a lot more votes than
Speaker 3: Joe Biden would have. I think that our politics have
Speaker 3: are defined now by demographics. I think that's what a
Speaker 3: lot of people are. I don't even know why anybody
Speaker 3: would study political science anymore. All you have to do
Speaker 3: is shift the demographics to like a California, and then
Speaker 3: you just have a ruling class. You have a doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: You can run a dead person. As long as there's
Speaker 3: a D there, then you win. I mean once the state,
Speaker 3: once an area goes demographically blue, does it turned back red.
Speaker 3: That doesn't happen. Only red states termed purple and then
Speaker 3: blue blue states don't go red. When I was a
Speaker 3: kid in Texas, there was a the Democratic Party was
Speaker 3: still very prominent. This is you know LBJ country, blue
Speaker 3: dog Democrats. And you remember Anne Richards was governor back
Speaker 3: in the early nineties. She was eventually defeated by somehow
Speaker 3: a very cogent George W. Bush. And then if you
Speaker 3: look look at those old tapes, like, how is that guy?
Speaker 3: He's the same guy that was president and he used
Speaker 3: to be Nobody told him to act dumb yet I guess.
Speaker 3: But and Richards was a Democrat, she was governor of Texas.
Speaker 3: It was very much a Democratic state, a blue dog
Speaker 3: Democrat state. Now it turned into the I'm with you,
Speaker 3: I distained the red blue identifiers. I know what that
Speaker 3: syop is. But it turned into a Republican state. And
Speaker 3: you know, now it's republican. That doesn't happen with that
Speaker 3: doesn't happen anymore. It doesn't happen with you know, it's
Speaker 3: not gonna happen that the state's not going to go
Speaker 3: from from a blue state to a deep root state
Speaker 3: or anything like that. So I think what we're really
Speaker 3: going to watch here is an actual campaign, which I
Speaker 3: think Trump's running somewhat of a campaign, versus what Tamala
Speaker 3: Harris is going to run, which is just demographics. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're just gonna the key points, the identifiers for those
Speaker 3: people that vote that way. And it doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: her policies are going to be, It doesn't matter what
Speaker 3: her politics are, it doesn't matter even if she has
Speaker 3: a gaff I don't think that really or just not
Speaker 3: in the same country anymore. This is not This is
Speaker 3: not nineteen eighty four Reagan versus Mandel, where Reagan can
Speaker 3: get a you know, a forty eight state landslide. It
Speaker 3: doesn't work that way. I just think whatever people are
Speaker 3: already drawing their lines of where they are the Republican
Speaker 3: Party and Trump's base is shrinking. It's not growing. It's
Speaker 3: a shrinking base, unfortunately because of the things that the
Speaker 3: Republican Party have done to this country, whether it's you know,
Speaker 3: outsourcing jobs or insourcing people, you know, and not doing
Speaker 3: anything about the border. Mass immigration. I mean, we import
Speaker 3: a million legal immigrants a year, a million that's not
Speaker 3: illegal immigration, it's just a regular immigration. And eighty percent
Speaker 3: of all new immigrants vote Democrats. So eight hundred thousand
Speaker 3: new Democrats a year, just regardless. That's not counting the
Speaker 3: factories in the universities that turn out left wing young
Speaker 3: adults all over the country, in school systems and television
Speaker 3: and culture. So that's the cards are stacked against anybody
Speaker 3: that carries anything of a conservative mantle. And I don't know.
Speaker 3: Trump's still not really running on anything substantive. It's more
Speaker 3: like a culture personality. I mean, we have the assassination
Speaker 3: attempt that garnered him, a lot of the iconic photos
Speaker 3: and all that, but still policy, I haven't heard policy,
Speaker 3: you know, accept things that are alarming, like the trade
Speaker 3: war stuff. So I don't know, David, I really I
Speaker 3: think it's a toss up at this point. And if
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris You're right though about the fallout would be
Speaker 3: tremendous for those I mean, if you're in the MAGA
Speaker 3: camp right now and you're wearing that hat and you
Speaker 3: really think you know, Trump's the second Coming and all that,
Speaker 3: Like you're going to think it was stolen and I mean,
Speaker 3: well have ben I don't know, but you're definitely not
Speaker 3: going to believe anything. And the same thing goes for
Speaker 3: the other side, like how can the first you know,
Speaker 3: Indian black, you know, prosecutor lady whatever she is, how
Speaker 3: can she lose to this buffoon?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So both sides, and they both sides are
Speaker 3: tribal everything everybody's dug in. But I do think like it's,
Speaker 3: you know, Biden in twenty twenty. He doesn't have to
Speaker 3: fill a room, he doesn't have to fill a stadium,
Speaker 3: he doesn't have to have voat parades and all this
Speaker 3: other stuff.
Speaker 1: He just has the votes, That's right.
Speaker 3: You know, And that's that's how demographics work, and it's
Speaker 3: how the electronic voting stuff works as well.
Speaker 2: I've spent a lot of time talking about that this
Speaker 2: last week, and you know, it is just yet another's
Speaker 2: so many different ways that they can rig the election.
Speaker 2: And I thought it was very telling when you look
Speaker 2: at Venezuela, they immediately knew that it was rigged election.
Speaker 2: How well they used Edison Research. The same people that
Speaker 2: do it for all the news organizations here in the US,
Speaker 2: and they ran exit polls, and they looked at the
Speaker 2: exit polls versus the official reports and they said, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is rigged. And that's how the State Department has
Speaker 2: always assessed whether or not a foreign election is honest
Speaker 2: or not. So why didn't either the Republicans or the
Speaker 2: Democrats use it to prove their point with a twenty
Speaker 2: twenty election. I think it's because they're both breaking the election.
Speaker 2: It's a hacking contest in a number of different ways,
Speaker 2: and so that's why I think it really is impossible
Speaker 2: to figure out what is going on with it. But
Speaker 2: everybody is invested in it, as you pointed out, and
Speaker 2: I think they want it that way. They want people
Speaker 2: fighting each other over the election result. Whichever way it goes,
Speaker 2: they'll be able to do that. So I think we're
Speaker 2: coming in for some difficult times politically as well as economically.
Speaker 2: You know, when we look at this, Tony, in terms
Speaker 2: of CBDC and the rest of stuff, Europe is going
Speaker 2: full on. I mean, they've got five countries that are
Speaker 2: doing the vaccine passport thing, and they've continued to develop
Speaker 2: this or rolling it out, doing their beta test sites
Speaker 2: at five different countries. They're talking about a digital euro
Speaker 2: and how it's going to be their option for electronic
Speaker 2: payments and all the rest of the stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's moving into that. It's kind of on the side
Speaker 2: burner here in the US Hall. We got the election,
Speaker 2: but I think they're going to ramp that up pretty quickly.
Speaker 2: And of course next year after the election, real ID
Speaker 2: comes in and it is going to be required to fly.
Speaker 2: It's going to be you know, they're going to bring
Speaker 2: it on in force after the election, and I think
Speaker 2: these next four years it's going to be a real fight.
Speaker 2: Regardless of who they select to be the president, it's
Speaker 2: going to be a real fight for the last four
Speaker 2: years to take us into this twenty thirty dystopia that
Speaker 2: they've been planning a long time.
Speaker 3: Well, I couldn't agree more. It's like akin to World
Speaker 3: War Two when they set up patent to look like
Speaker 3: the Fain that looked like the Third Reich. He was
Speaker 3: going to come in from the channel and they built
Speaker 3: up all the fake even like inflatable tanks and other things.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what the election is. Yeah, the election
Speaker 3: is that have all of us looking over here's right.
Speaker 3: Looking at this thing, it really doesn't matter. I mean,
Speaker 3: it really doesn't. At the end of the day, there's
Speaker 3: no real substantive policy differences, not really. You know, you
Speaker 3: still those who are control, which is this the multinationals
Speaker 3: and the central banksters. That's really who's controlling most of
Speaker 3: this in our politics. But it's just a head fake.
Speaker 3: The Agenda twenty thirty, great reset marches on. That's what
Speaker 3: we have to pay attention to. The world's changing, it's
Speaker 3: changing rapidly. Neither one of these candidates are talking about dedollarization,
Speaker 3: not any real not with any real clout, and they're
Speaker 3: not going they're not going into depth. They're not they're
Speaker 3: not doing anything that touches the real problems here of
Speaker 3: this waning power in the United States, the empire, the
Speaker 3: infrastructure coming apart, and are standing in the world, all
Speaker 3: of that economically, it's it's again very fragile, fragile system.
Speaker 3: I mean, look at the crowd strike that happened ten
Speaker 3: days ago, and now everything was affected all across the board,
Speaker 3: very fragile system. And we've got trip wires for wars
Speaker 3: all over the globe. And I don't I don't like
Speaker 3: to just get into like, oh, it's it's just been
Speaker 3: a dark time ahead. But there's a lot of challenges ahead.
Speaker 3: And again, our politics are just a distraction. Maybe twenty
Speaker 3: years ago we'd been talking about what's affecting people, but
Speaker 3: now it's just a cult support personality. I like what
Speaker 3: Edward Snowden said at the Bigcoin event. He said, go vote,
Speaker 3: but don't join a cult. I mean he's seeing he
Speaker 3: said it like five times, Like he's like, you can
Speaker 3: go vote. Hecause like vote, you know, vote your conscious,
Speaker 3: but don't join a cult.
Speaker 1: Good.
Speaker 3: That's what a lot of this has become. And you know,
Speaker 3: it's really sad. I went in to go watch the
Speaker 3: Trump speech in the actual auditorium and he of course,
Speaker 3: they took like an hour to get in there. And
Speaker 3: I got there early in the morning with my son,
Speaker 3: and then about you know, two or three hours into
Speaker 3: the talk, my son's like, get some more coffee, so
Speaker 3: out and he said, I can't get back in, so
Speaker 3: we just left. I'm like, I'll just listen to it
Speaker 3: outside and I walked around the expo. I didn't miss anything,
Speaker 3: but you could, you know, anytime a speaker would mention,
Speaker 3: you know, before Trump went on stage. Anytime a speaker
Speaker 3: would mention that Trump had been anti bitcoin, anti crypto
Speaker 3: in the past, the crowd booed heavily, and I thought
Speaker 3: maybe for a second they were doing that. He was No,
Speaker 3: it's the fact that somebody brought it up.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, you're not surprised to notice it. And it
Speaker 1: really is a cult.
Speaker 2: These people can't just yeah, and we all know it,
Speaker 2: you know, as it's known to say, keep it at
Speaker 2: arm's length, you know. But they have bought into this thing,
Speaker 2: and that's what's dangerous. That's the thing about this election
Speaker 2: that scares me. Not the outcome, because they're both controlled
Speaker 2: by a lot of the same forces. What bothers me
Speaker 2: is how they have used this to essentially create a competition, chaos,
Speaker 2: a civil war over these personalities. It's not even over
Speaker 2: the issues, it's over the personalities.
Speaker 3: It's over the personalities. It's a real shame. And again,
Speaker 3: we have to do our best. We have to cover
Speaker 3: the you know I covered on my show, you covering
Speaker 3: we have to cover some of this. As Sons Su said,
Speaker 3: no you're enemy. We have to have intel. But that's
Speaker 3: not really what's going on here. You know, there's much
Speaker 3: larger issues that we face here as a country. And
Speaker 3: I agree with you on electronic voting that you have
Speaker 3: to start there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, Don Jeffries did a great job in Hidden
Speaker 3: History covering something called vote scam. We should I recommend
Speaker 3: anybody go look into that. There was a pair of
Speaker 3: brothers that really research electronic voting and vote tallying back
Speaker 3: in the late eighties and early nineties. Go and check
Speaker 3: out Don Jeffrey's work on that in Hidden History, and
Speaker 3: it's really eye opening because we don't have true accounting,
Speaker 3: and especially when you do something electronically, you're right, they
Speaker 3: could be just like it's like they're who has the
Speaker 3: best hackers.
Speaker 1: Yes, as hacking vote.
Speaker 2: I said that after twenty sixteen because I talked a
Speaker 2: great deal about electronic voting, not specifically about any particular
Speaker 2: company like Smartmatic or Dominion or anyone. You know, there's
Speaker 2: also es and s, but it's just electronic voting in
Speaker 2: general and how vulnerable it is. I said, you know,
Speaker 2: you can cheat with anything, but when you've got electronic voting,
Speaker 2: it allows people to stuff the ballot from anywhere in
Speaker 2: the world. They don't have to have they don't have
Speaker 2: to be there physically. They don't have to have an
Speaker 2: agent that's there physically, they can do it from anywhere.
Speaker 2: And so you've opened up your system to bad actors
Speaker 2: from all over the world. And that's the real issue
Speaker 2: for it. And you know, you look at the history
Speaker 2: of Venezuela, that's these h you know, Chavez, Chavez and
Speaker 2: all the rest of these people. They have been able
Speaker 2: to maintain this power, this socialist party by using these
Speaker 2: electronic voting machines.
Speaker 1: So that's the other part of it.
Speaker 2: And so when I look at it, it it isn't
Speaker 2: so much that I say, well, you know, who's got
Speaker 2: the better story about issues, or the more likable personality,
Speaker 2: or who's got the most boxes checked on the intersectionality
Speaker 2: ranking thing here, But who is it that the system
Speaker 2: would like to have and how are they going to
Speaker 2: use this person That's what really scares me about the
Speaker 2: cult that has been developed around this, That's what really
Speaker 2: scares me. I think that's the way that the selection
Speaker 2: is going to be used. They don't even pretend to
Speaker 2: have an election anymore. I mean, it's just a selection
Speaker 2: and everybody can see that, but they're still drawn in
Speaker 2: as a cult. It's amazing to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've just suspended all thinking. All critical thinking has
Speaker 3: been suspended due to partisanship. That's where you just leave
Speaker 3: your brain. Unfortunate, that's where people go now and is
Speaker 3: a very partisan or dug in on those lines, and
Speaker 3: it's just getting more and more entrenched. I was on
Speaker 3: the show yesterday and he says, well, he's a conservative Catholic,
Speaker 3: and he said, well, I get in a lot of
Speaker 3: trouble because I don't. I don't just necessarily follow Trump,
Speaker 3: you know, I could do criticize Trump. I said, oh,
Speaker 3: you just lost a lot of money too. That's how
Speaker 3: all of this works, you know. And just being in
Speaker 3: that crowd though, this is you know, these are people
Speaker 3: that are supposed to be free thinking bigcoiners, you know,
Speaker 3: skeptical of the central powers, central bank, skeptical of fiat currency.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't travel that far and spend that
Speaker 3: kind of money to go and sit in a conference
Speaker 3: and listen to bitcoin if you haven't thought some of
Speaker 3: those issues through. But when it came up to Trump,
Speaker 3: there was just a ton of people there booing anyone
Speaker 3: who said anything, even if it's repeating what he said.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, oh, It's amazing, absolutely amazing. I've never
Speaker 2: seen anything like it in all these years. It truly
Speaker 2: is a cult. Talk to us a little bit about
Speaker 2: what you think is going to happen with interest rates
Speaker 2: and gold as you're looking at the Federal Reserve. I've
Speaker 2: been talking about, you know, these long term issues, regardless
Speaker 2: of why it happens in the short term before the election,
Speaker 2: and we look at the long term issues. Jenny Yellen's
Speaker 2: down at the entrance to the Amazon essentially, you know,
Speaker 2: the last gas station before you get into the Amazon.
Speaker 2: I guess they're having this conference. She says, We've got
Speaker 2: to spend seventy eight trillion dollars in the next twenty
Speaker 2: years to save the planet, and the bulk of that
Speaker 2: is going to come from the US, and it's going
Speaker 2: to be like a big COVID mcguffin thing annually, just
Speaker 2: over this climate griff thing. And of course they're going
Speaker 2: to pile this up into massive debt. But at the
Speaker 2: same time, as soon as as Trump mentions, well, let's
Speaker 2: not tax social Security or something, they trot out the
Speaker 2: Congressional Budget Office to say, we don't have the money
Speaker 2: for that. But they got the money for the climate mcguffin,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be massive inflation. They're going to
Speaker 2: keep going into debt until they do collapse it. They'll
Speaker 2: do it over the Green Agenda if nothing else. But
Speaker 2: what do you see in terms of short term in
Speaker 2: terms of interest rate changes?
Speaker 3: It reminded me when I first went on air on
Speaker 3: the radio eleven years ago and there was an article
Speaker 3: about how they had shortfalls for the veterans budget for
Speaker 3: the VA and having a hard time. They're going to
Speaker 3: need to have so much more and they couldn't find it.
Speaker 3: It wasn't in the budget. And I just went through
Speaker 3: all the foreign aid and I was like, well, here
Speaker 3: we go live on air, and I was doing the calculations.
Speaker 3: Let's just cut out this country, this country, and I go,
Speaker 3: there's your there's your shortfall. Of course, they don't have
Speaker 3: any They don't have anything that actually helps America. They
Speaker 3: won't have anything that helps our infrastructure, that makes us stronger,
Speaker 3: that improves our society. The ruling class or absentee landlords,
Speaker 3: they're literally going to flee the sinking ship. The treasury
Speaker 3: is being looted. I mean how I just saw an
Speaker 3: article today on Kiko the debt has passed the thirty
Speaker 3: five trillion. So thirty five trillion. It was one trillion
Speaker 3: the year of my birth right right, No, not quite
Speaker 3: to a trillion. It reached it in nineteen eighty. So again,
Speaker 3: now we go a trillion in debt every Now I
Speaker 3: need to one hundred days. The wheels are off, so
Speaker 3: of course, so you can promise anything. I mean, you're
Speaker 3: loutering the treasury, doesn't matter. You've got this fake system,
Speaker 3: and we're inside of real time experiment. Since nineteen seventy one,
Speaker 3: Richard Nixon takes us off the gold standard of free
Speaker 3: floating fiat currency. The average life spans twenty six years
Speaker 3: for that currency. We've doubled that. So we're inside an experiment.
Speaker 3: I don't see any other way to describe it. And
Speaker 3: these policy wonky policy people that are, you know, tools
Speaker 3: for the World Economic Forum and Davos and the UN.
Speaker 3: Of course they're going to come up with like crazy numbers.
Speaker 3: I mean remember this was they were touting the Green
Speaker 3: New Deal and AOC said this is our World War Two.
Speaker 3: I remember that this was something that she said, this
Speaker 3: is our World War Two. It was not even me,
Speaker 3: you know. That is when we had a different times.
Speaker 3: You know, jet debt to GDP has come close to
Speaker 3: what we have now, and then it would dissipate and
Speaker 3: go back, and it's usually around thirty percent forty percent.
Speaker 3: Now it's like one hundred and thirty percent hundred and
Speaker 3: forty percent of debt to GDP ratio. So none of
Speaker 3: these things are sustainable. And as de dollarization continues, you know,
Speaker 3: those who are paying attention, you would serve yourself well
Speaker 3: by not buying into any like we're not going to
Speaker 3: be paying for that stuff. The ability for the Treasury
Speaker 3: of the United States to borrow endlessly and sell those
Speaker 3: bonds and on the treasuries on the open market and
Speaker 3: hold them. And I don't see that's not going to
Speaker 3: be something that continues. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: think it won't be. It probably won't be a triangulated
Speaker 3: swift death for the dollar, or would be more like
Speaker 3: a like you know, someone falling down the stairs. It
Speaker 3: won't be like you just jumped off a cliff, That's
Speaker 3: what I think anyway, or push down the stairs. But
Speaker 3: but yeah, it would be something like that. But those
Speaker 3: those times aren't here now that they're just slowly starting.
Speaker 3: You're slowly starting to see the downturn the purchasing power
Speaker 3: of the dollar and the money velocity starts to slow,
Speaker 3: and those issues will come home and it will change
Speaker 3: our politics. I think a lot of that stuff will
Speaker 3: be off the tay. It'll be about it, you know,
Speaker 3: something akin to the Great Depression, where you have people
Speaker 3: you did. If we're going to have to have austerity
Speaker 3: measures and also be able to stop social unrest through
Speaker 3: food programs and other things like that because it will
Speaker 3: have gotten so bad.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah. One other thing I want to ask you. I
Speaker 2: just thought about the bitcoin thing. Did did he bring
Speaker 2: up the federal reserve directly Trump? Or did r F
Speaker 2: K Junior? Imagine maybe r F K Junior did, But
Speaker 2: did they bring up the federal reserve? Did they just
Speaker 2: talk about bitcoin and what they would like to do
Speaker 2: and mostly the bitcoin. I'd have to go back to
Speaker 2: the transcript of RFK Junior. I know he's much more
Speaker 2: substantive and he had actual policy. I do believe he
Speaker 2: did mention the Federal Reserve, and I think that was
Speaker 2: in core relation to and I'll see if I get
Speaker 2: the transcript for you what he mentioned about his his owns.
Speaker 2: He was scared and he did mention that he was
Speaker 2: his uncle JFK was skeptical of FED policy, and you
Speaker 2: know what the FED was doing in control of the
Speaker 2: money supply and so on and so forth.
Speaker 3: So he did mention that. But I don't believe Trump
Speaker 3: mentioned anything about the FED. I mean, he did mention CBDC.
Speaker 3: I don't I think, really seriously, David. I think he
Speaker 3: was reading the speech for the first sign when I
Speaker 3: was up there, and just like he looked at it
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh wow, silver really market kappas silver.
Speaker 3: So I don't think he really he really knew anything
Speaker 3: about bitcoin going into that.
Speaker 2: I get that impression every time I see him stricting
Speaker 2: he's reading the speech of the room. I mean he
Speaker 2: had you know, one of the big issues in twenty
Speaker 2: sixteen was Obamacare, and somebody had written up a great
Speaker 2: paper that was on the Trump campaign website. I spent
Speaker 2: time talking about, said, well, this is really good. If
Speaker 2: he's got people who are going to push this thing through.
Speaker 2: I know Trump hasn't mentioned it, he doesn't really care
Speaker 2: about it, if he even knows about it, but maybe
Speaker 2: his staff is going to push well as soon as
Speaker 2: he got elected. That was deep six you know, memory
Speaker 2: hold off of his website. So yeah, I mean, when
Speaker 2: I look at the policy statements of Trump, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: cynical that anything's going to be done. But it is
Speaker 2: interesting to see, as you point out, the political divide
Speaker 2: around that. But I just, you know, I like the anonymity,
Speaker 2: the physical aspect of the metals and things like that.
Speaker 2: That's what I think is really important. And the more
Speaker 2: I look at the Internet, the more it looks looks
Speaker 2: like a fiat currency. It's like Fiat information. Now at
Speaker 2: this point, what's going on at Why is wolf.
Speaker 3: All the same as always, just continuing to create a
Speaker 3: supply chain from customers and for wolf Pack members. That's
Speaker 3: I'm in Texas right now. I've got some appointments with
Speaker 3: the trading floor and getting guarding new supply the next
Speaker 3: week or so. Really that's what I'm watching. I think
Speaker 3: that's what's going to separate all precious metals dealers and
Speaker 3: then next two, three, five years is going to be
Speaker 3: who can get supplied. As I mentioned earlier in our talk,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at the chart of assets
Speaker 3: in the world, this giant, you know chart, and the
Speaker 3: little little corner in the left hand corner is gold, silver,
Speaker 3: and bitcoin. So there's no there's not enough real, you know,
Speaker 3: to house all the fake, and so there's gonna be
Speaker 3: something that happens to all that fake. I mean, we're
Speaker 3: talking about an unprecedented amount of debt creation, currency creation.
Speaker 3: There's fifty two times more currency on Earth today than
Speaker 3: when I was born, and that's fake currency. By the way,
Speaker 3: these aren't notes backed up by anything. You can't trade
Speaker 3: them in for a commodity. They're just rapidly losing purchasing power.
Speaker 3: So that I'm setting up supply David, and you know,
Speaker 3: we're looking to continue to grow wolf Pack. I will
Speaker 3: say I'll have an announcement maybe next week. If you're
Speaker 3: interested in buying bitcoin wise Wolf Bitcoin will be operational
Speaker 3: here in the next week or two. You can just
Speaker 3: go direct with me if you want to buy coin,
Speaker 3: and we're setting that up. There's a whole bunch of things.
Speaker 3: I got to hoops, I got to jump through. I
Speaker 3: used to be in the bitcoin ATM business and we
Speaker 3: sold that a couple of years ago because of the
Speaker 3: regulation has gotten crazy. Yeah, I decided I'm going to
Speaker 3: bring that back to wis Wolf As a matter of fact,
Speaker 3: within the next week, we should be able to accept
Speaker 3: bitcoin for one time purchases and I'm not going to
Speaker 3: charge your fee. So like if you got bitcoin and
Speaker 3: do you want to buy precious milk, We'll be the
Speaker 3: only golden silver broker that I know that does not
Speaker 3: charge your fee. Wow, and to use your bitcoin. So
Speaker 3: we'll make it really convenient for people to be able
Speaker 3: to use their BTC. That's what's new. And I don't
Speaker 3: have it all in place yet, but I'm working on it,
Speaker 3: so I should be able to make an announcement here
Speaker 3: in the next week or two.
Speaker 1: Wow. Be a great way to get physical. Yeah.
Speaker 2: You know when when you look at just thinking about
Speaker 2: you know, I think and as he's talking about how
Speaker 2: focused he is on ATFS, and I spent time last
Speaker 2: a couple of days talking about how JP Morgan had
Speaker 2: you is the ETFs for silver and for gold to
Speaker 2: manipulate on behalf of the government. And I'm sure that
Speaker 2: that's what think is looking at. You know, how can
Speaker 2: I how can I manipulate bitcoin? Well, I can use
Speaker 2: an ETF and I can do the same thing that
Speaker 2: JP Morgan has been doing with gold and silver. I
Speaker 2: can do that with bitcoin. I really do think that's
Speaker 2: where he said it, But yeah, it's important to to
Speaker 2: go direct, you know, get your bitcoin direct, get your
Speaker 2: silver and gold direct, hold it, get it outside of
Speaker 2: the virtual world. That is that infrastructure, that whole infrastructure
Speaker 2: is getting so shaky, from our power infrastructure to cybersecurity issues.
Speaker 1: That we see over and over again. As you mentioned before.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for joining us, Tony. I really do
Speaker 2: appreciate you coming on. Thank you for your support for
Speaker 2: the program. And folks, if you want to find out more,
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Speaker 2: very much.
Speaker 3: Shate you, sir.
Speaker 2: Thank you for hearing of biased and false smooth all
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