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Speaker 1: And in that moment, that's when I know if you're

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running a shit compost, So you got to tumble. You

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got a compost tumbler and you're literally putting your feces

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in it. Tay, he's taking his own feces and he's

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shipping on a piece of cardboard, and then he goes

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and he plops it in a compost tumbler with a

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bunch of pine shavings and a weight mass a weight

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ratio of roughly two to one. It's two times the

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weight of your shit, of your turd in pine shavings. Okay,

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you really got to balance out that carbon nitrogen ratio.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the crime Pas. But Bodany

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doesn't podcast really on one today as as sometimes I am.

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I think it's a you know, it's a brutal hot

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summer here. That dog dick afternoon has started. It's it's

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you know, temperatures of one hundred and five with abundant humidity.

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It's too hot to go outside. We're trapped inside done

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here in the Rio Grand Valley heat island of South

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Texas and forever forever more. It's it should not be

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referred to this region's colloquially known as the Rio and

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Valley from here on out because of the love of

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asphalt and the hatred of plants, tree cover especially. They

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hate tree cover down here. This area should be known

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as from here on out the Rio Grande Valley Heat

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Island of South Texas. We have an abundance of strip

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mall shopping centers. Everything is hot all the time. There's

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absolutely no concept of using plant cover or shade structures

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to keep things out of the sun. It's just what

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you do here. Trees are messy. Plant life is messy.

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We need to cut it down. We need to mow,

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we need to completely eradicate it. We're going to bake

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the ground into a solid brick. This clay silty soil. Anyway,

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you could tell I'm emotionally coping with the dominant culture

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where I live, which again hates plant life. Anyway, today

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we're talking about a variety of subjects. We're going to

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talk about compensation point, why you can't grow cool seasoned

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plants and hot climates and vice versa. How temperature relates

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to plant metabolism. And that's not across universal scale, not

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all species are the same. Obviously, it depends on where

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a plant has evolved. And if a plant spent millions

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of years evolving in an alpine zone, it's not someddenly

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going to evolve the ability or be able to evolve

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the ability to grow in a tropical climate, and vice versa.

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So that's something we always got to talk about down

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here especially, and that's that's been a restriction for me. Okay,

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why not I live here?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 1: I live here in a Rio Grand Valley heat Island,

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and I used to live in you know, Northern California,

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much more temperate zone. There's so many plants, wonderful cloud

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forest plants, paromo plants, these you know, pieces symbols of

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these these wonderful mechanisms, these pieces of this living machine

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that evolved in another place, like the paramo at high

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elevations and lower latitudes, or or perhaps in the cloud

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forest five or six thousand feet in chiopus, you know,

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a liquid ambar for a sweet gum forests and beautiful chiapas,

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everything covered in orchids and bromeliads and other epiphytes, you

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like mosses. Nobody ever pays attention to the moss. I

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ever pays attention to the mosses, and that epiphytic liver

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ward is not a moss. It frequently gets confused as

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a moss. I did. I made the same mistake. I

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put out a video today. Let me just go off

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on this for a minute. I put out a video

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today and it was on uh. It was called a

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chlorophalis thiefs thiefs with an FS. Apparently I'm a jackass.

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I never used the word thieves plurals. I didn't know

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it had been a while, it's been a few years.

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A Chlorophalis thiefs of Desert Sky Islands. And someone made

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a comment I plawed them for this. This was good.

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It was like, the botanic nomenclature is on point, your

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concepts of natural selection and evolution around point, but you

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still use the wrong word. You used thiefs, like your

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fucking grammar is just I couldn't. I just started laughing.

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I was like, holy fuck, I was really, I was really,

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you know, I don't know what day man, You know

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what I didn't. I don't have rich parents sent me

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to a high falutin university, you know, and that I'm

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going to be saddled with two hundred thousand dollars of

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student debt and then still not be able to get

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a job because you know, the country we live and

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hates science. Isn't that funny. It's like it's a small

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minority of people, a small minority of humans that are

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smart enough to create the science behind this technology, and

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then the whole, the whole general populace gets to use it,

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but they don't have to actually work on themselves, or

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rather they're part of a culture that doesn't inspire working

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on yourself and self education. It's it's mostly just education

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for the sake of attaining it the degree so you

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get a career, right. It's just like it's the it's

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the EO. Wilson quote. You know, we have this godlike technology,

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but like there's still these like chimp brains, you know,

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to just like fight and fuck and mostly I mean,

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same with jimps. It's we need group approval. We need

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to be part of the group. We need to feel

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like we're part of the group. We need to perform

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for the group. We care what they think of us.

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cool people, the ones that I enjoy being around. The

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ones who are stand out as unique or intelligent, are

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the ones who generally tell the group to go fuck

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itself and say, I'm going to figure this out for

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my own as for my own, for my own damn self.

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You know, thieves thief The fuck is wrong with me? Ah? Anyway,

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do you think that's ever been done before? Anyone's ever

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put the word a chlorophilis in front of thieves thieves

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plural but spelled use the wrong word for the plural

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form of thiefs. Do you think anyone's ever done it?

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Probably not. Probably, I think I'm the first jackass to

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do that. But anyway, you know, it's all about the

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whole experience. My daughters starts school Monday, and her grandparents

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were giving me shit. They're like, they were like, you know,

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she doesn't like school anymore because you She heard you

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say bad things about it and refer to it as indoctrination.

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And I said, I did not. First off, that was

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nine months ago, and I did do that. It's an

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entirely and it is it isn't doctrination. It's entirely Hispanic school.

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but it's entirely Hispanic school. And I got a picture

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of a dead hockey, a dead hockey and on the

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fucking mural. You know, it's like, what the fuck? Where's

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like the like? There's no no like appreciation of like.

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And I'm certainly not knocking the school that she goes to,

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but it's, you know, at this age, she's not going

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to like a fucking Waldorf school or something. We don't

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have the money for that. But and I don't think

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there's even any in this area, right, But when you

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go to school, it's one, especially at that age, it's it's, yeah,

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you learn your letters and stuff. But it's also a

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great way to you know, shelve kids away so their

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parents can go work, you know, underpaid shit jobs for

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five days out of the week, like it. And then

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it's also a way to teach kids to follow rules,

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not teaching them how to think, just teaching them how

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to follow rules. Be good, follow rules, don't question. I

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want my kid to know why the rule exists and

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then choose whether or not to follow it, Because some

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rules are stupid. I don't want her to follow every

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rule Some rules don't need to be followed. Some rules

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are written by morons. Some rules are very stupid. Some

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rules are actually dangerous. You could actually harm yourself if

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you follow the rule. So I don't. I don't, that's

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not you know, I think, I guess. I just think

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about this and it drives me nuts. But anyway, her,

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you know, her grandparents were like, we want her to

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get a career. I was like, she's fucking five, Like

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she's she's not, you know, and she's gonna miss a

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week as school next week since she's five. And she's

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also she's not missing AP calculus okay, and she's like

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missing like an AP calculus study week. She's she's like

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missing you know, kindergarten. So but it is, yes, we

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all believe it's it is important, routine, et cetera. That's

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all very important. It's more important to teach kids to think,

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how to think, how to think critically, how to question everything.

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Why is the sky blue? Why is this? Why is that?

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they're fully absorbed into the system and they'll just take

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any shit that's given to them. Anyway, I don't know,

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just get worked up. I think that's all it is.

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I think the school sucked for me. I didn't really

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start learning until much later, because you're just taught to

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follow rules and get good grades on the test and

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that's it. There's no I had to teach myself how

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to think, how to think critically. And most people I

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see don't know how to think still don't know how

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to think. They're how to think critically, figure shit out

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for themselves. You know. It's and now it's so easy too,

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and there's computers everywhere. You got a computer in your pocket,

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twenty four access to the library, fucking AI. You know.

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Don't use it in a way. It'll make you stupid.

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it's here and your little use of it is pissing

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in the ocean. Don't use it to like make you know,

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cartoon cartoon dogs driving fire truck images, you know, or

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something this was popped into mind, you know, or like

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a gurgling toilet belching forth, Oh this effluent that would

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be a nice metaphor. That's a metaphor for a lot

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of pop culture today. You know, don't use it for

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stuff like that. Use it to teach yourself if you're

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going to, and if you can avoid doing it, if

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you just do a good old Google search, you know,

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by reading papers or whatever. That's always fun too, but

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it's always good. You got a day off, wake up,

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drink your coffee, sitting in front of the computer, and

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just think up fucking questions to ask the internet, only

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resorting to AI if you absolutely have to. But you know,

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for shit, man, I don't know, it really can be helpful.

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you know, and it's like it's there. Anyway, we're gonna

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have to deal with it, like the fucking electricity demands

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and all this stuff going up. You might as well

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use it for something good. But be mindful, you know,

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be mindful when you're using it of how heavy of

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an impact this shit has and also how it's going

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to be used to enslaversh one day. Anyway, So let's

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of plants I loved, like Solandra bracket klyx, this night

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shade vine that I just saw at nine thousand feet

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in the cloud forest the Costa Rica, climbing up a

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massive oak ninety feet up in oak. I wasn't gonna

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be able to grow those where I live because they're

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not They're from two different of a climate. And even

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if I could water it and keep it water, it's

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not just drying out. Water is not really even an

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issue here. It is. I mean, I do live half

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an hour from the Peyote Gardens, but it's so humid

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all the time. The air is so humid, and that's

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it's in the air, if it's humid, so humid, human

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nights of course don't cool off. You'll notice the difference

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America and you go to like the deserts of New

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Mexico or Wyoming or whatever. It's you know, ninety five

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degrees in Wyoming is going to cool off the probably

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sixty five at night. It's amazing because there's no humidity

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to hold that heat in anyway. And I brought a

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couple plants with me. I knew it was probably a

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lost cause, but I brought a couple of plants with

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even like trico serious. It's like, you know, the trike bros.

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so many people that grow them. The tric bros. Dude,

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you know, San Diego is like the best climate for

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trichosirius pacanoi. And you can they'll get to or approve

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vianus or whatever the shit they're growing these fucking clones.

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These dudes have made. Some of them are insane, like

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they's like diameter of a thigh, just like these blue colors.

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Lots of wax, probably very high mescaline content as well.

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they'll get fifteen feet twenty feet tall in that climate

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and they'll put on three feet a year. I mean,

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they grow so fast. I had a tricosirious pac and

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oi in my backyard in Oakland, and this thing would

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put on two or three feet a year. And every

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time I got so tall, I would cut it and

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give it to someone and they'd root it. Whatever you said,

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the gift that keeps on giving. Right, But then when

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you they'll grow here in South Texas and this heat,

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but they grow a lot slower, They grow a lot slower.

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And why is It's got to do with metabolism, and

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it's got to do with something called compensation point. And

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so what compensation point refers to, what all this refers

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to is the energy balance. Right, Photosynthesis generates carbohydrates, it

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generates sugars, and then metabolism a plant's metabolism being dependent

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and temperature like in the Andes at nine thousand feet

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where Trichocrius pacinoi grows in Peru, it'll be hot during

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the day, it'll be you're only like, what is it

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eleven degrees twelve degrees latitude south, but you're nine thousand

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feet up, so it's not hot and balmy and tropical.

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What is the actually what is the west coast of

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lowland Peru?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: I would love to see that anyway. I would imagine

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it's somewhat humid, maybe not, though I don't know. I

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know coastal Chile is very foggy. Coastal northern Chile is

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very foggy, but it's very cool. And then you go

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inland and it's just fucking dry as a bone. You

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go six miles inland from the fog bank from the

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Common Chaka and it's just dry as a fuck bone. Barren,

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like the most barren place I've ever seen. It's crazy,

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you know, barren like the insides of my colon. So

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they told me a few weeks ago when I went

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for it for a colon, asked me, you said, you

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get so you have a very healthy colon. It's the

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most sparkling colon. It looked like somebody mopped and waxed

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the floors in there. The wall it's like an auditorium

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and it's so clean. The walls are beautiful. I didn't

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have any polyps or nothing. I said that. I'm only

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you know, I'm in my early forties, but come from

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a long line of Daego's that get colon cancer because

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they eating fucking mozzarella balls and you know, meat balls,

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all this shit. Anyway, I digress. So you know, the

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coastal Chile, even at like four thousand feet, it's a

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steep coastline too, because you got that Nazca plate right

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to the west, diving beneath the South American continent. So

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you get, oh, that's what causes the annies to go uplift. Right.

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So anyway, nine thousand feet in prew where Trecho Series

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Provianna scrows, he gets hot days and then it gets

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you know, cool nights, because you're up at nine thousand feet,

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the air is very thin and there's also no not

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that much humidity in it, and so it loses moisture

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very fast, right, and so hot hot, warm days, cool nights.

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And you know, Tricho series being a cactus, it can

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take the heat. That's not the thing that shuts it down.

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It can take the heat of South Texas, but those

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warm nights are gonna fuck it up because the metabolism

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doesn't stop. It doesn't shut down, so it keeps going.

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It's burning energy. It's the machines running. Right. There's a

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completely different case for alpine plants. Like alpine plants, a

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lot of them just you know, they've their metabolism has

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evolved at nine thousand, ten thousand foot elevation and say

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the Rocky Mountains, right, I'm talking about tropical alpine plants,

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talk about Rocky Mountain alpine plants. So they're gonna all

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their enzymes that they use for photosynthesis, they're gonna start

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shutting down or just breaking, just just slowly decomposing when

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you try to grow them at lower elevations or in

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say a very hot environment. Right, all those enzymes that

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you know, RuBisCO atp synthases, all that stuff evolved to

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work best at near freezing to cool temperatures like you

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would expect it. You know, fucking where did I see

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some of the alpine areas have been to in Wyoming?

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Amazing beautiful?

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 1: I don't think it was eight thousand feet. Though I

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forget what elevation it was. It was fucking high. You know.

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Obviously the higher up in latitude you go, the less

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high in elevation you have to go to get similar conditions. Right,

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So anyway, but anyway, these plants. You know, if a

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plant's machinery have evolved to work at a certain temperature

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and function at a certain temperature, that has taken evolving

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to do. They had to evolve that. There had to

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be enough phenotypic change ups within the different components of

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the genome to allow that thing to function at cooler temperatures. Right,

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And as you can't automatically because of all that work involve,

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You can't automatically just take it down to lower elevations

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and try to grow it in Phoenix or god forbid,

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in Florida even worse because of the humidity and expect

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it to run fine. Now, the machines adapted to working

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at this the things that enable it to work at

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this elevation and in this climate and aren't going to

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make it very hard to grow in this other climate.

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So it's all about temperature, right, So we're talking basically

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about how temperature corresponds the plant. So obviously if you

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try to grow alpine plants at a lower elevation, it's

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not going to work, right, It's that they're just not

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built for it, Okay, But that's not the case with

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like trichoseries, with growing cac you know, these higher elevation

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Peruvian tropical latitude cacti in the heat because they could

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take the heat. That's not the issue. The issue is

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not that they can't take the heat. They're built for

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the heat. They can get hot up there, even though

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you're at eight thousand and nine thousand feet, right, you're

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at such a low latitude to get blasted with sun

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your higher elevation, so there's the atmosphere stinger you get more.

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And also you're at such a low latitude even though

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you're so high up, you're still getting a lot of sun.

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That's not the issue. The issue is the nighttime temperatures.

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So it's not really correct for me to say you

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can't grow cool seasoned plants in hot climates, all right,

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because it's kind of a different thing. You can't grow

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alpine plants and hot climates because they're just not built

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for it. But it should be you can't grow plants

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from areas with cool nights in hot climates with warm nights,

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whereas and that's mainly due to the humidity. The humidity

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is what keeps those nighttime temperatures up. And well again,

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why is that because Tricho series just go back to that.

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It can take the daytime heat, it can take the sun.

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What it can't take is that is those knights that

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don't cool off. The temperature remains high through the humidity,

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so the plant's metabolism stays consistently running, the machine stays on,

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and now you're tapping into energy reserves. So all those

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carbohydrates you're manufacturing during the day, you know, you're barely

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breaking even because the machine never shuts off. At night,

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you're spending all those carbs that you made during the day,

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you're spending them at night. So what ends up happening

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you reduced growth. You know. Again, the compensation point is

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the level at which it's basically like the zero markets,

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the level at which the energy expenditures equal the energy

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that's created during photosynthesis. And when you start falling below that,

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now your health starts to decline. If you're just if

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you fall low, but you're still above it. Now you're

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just going to grow a lot slower, as happens with

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tricho serious and hot human climate. So you can grow,

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but you'll notice when you get those cool nights like

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you do in coastal California or San Diego or something,

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the shit grows a ton faster because the machine shuts

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down at night. We're not even talking we're not even

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getting into the weeds with CAM photosynthesis and all that stuff.

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You know the process by where you know CAM plan

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it's crass Lacian acid metabolism. Plants take in carbon dioxide

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at night's store in the form of malic acid, and

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then shut their stomata during the day so they're not

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transpiring water in the heat. We're not even talking about that.

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We're just talking about metabolic rate, and so that is

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what ends up happening. And if if you fall below

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that compensation point, then you're gonna be prone. You're not

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only gonna actually die, it's gonna be a long, protracted death,

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but you're not gonna be able to defend yourself against

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things like mites, scale, fungi, et cetera. You're gonna be

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able to produce the chemicals that constitute the quote plant's

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immune system to defend itself. And so that's what happens

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because you're running at night. The machine never shuts off

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because the nights don't cool off. So compensation point refers

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to the light intensity or CO two concentration at which

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the rate of photosynthesis exactly equals the rate of respiration

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in a plant. Right, And so again we already talked

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about this. You continue to respire at night, you're gonna

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bring those levels done. You're gonna get closer to the

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compensation number, right, because the compensation point's fixed, all right.

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But other things can affect the compensation point, all right,

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like like light. Well there's ten of these two types

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of compensation points light compensation point in CO two compensation point,

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and these don't have to do. This is something separate

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from just the machine not shutting off at night because

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the nights stay warm and plant metablins dependent on temperature

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and so it stays running. This is something different, and

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this is something I see, you know. I someone messaged

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me like a month ago and they said, I had

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this cactus for five years. It was in my apartment.

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It survived the whole time, but it never flower And

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then I moved apartments. I put it in a sunny window,

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or they might even put it outside because you could

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put obviously put kect outside in the summer and uh

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and it got a bunch more light and then suddenly

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it bloomed. It was yeah, it got you raised the compensation,

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You raised the the energy reserves. Than the level of

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energy reserves, you raise that above the compensation point. So

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with all this abundant carbohydrates that were now being created

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because it had more light, now it could put that

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towards flowering, which it did flowering and reproduction. Boom. There

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you go, that's what happened. Cact I need light. Who

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knew so? Anyway, in terms of the two of the

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two types of compensations for light compensation point, you know

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that's that's the minimum light that's required for photosynthesis, the

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balance respiration. Right plants, of course they should have mentioned

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this before, but everybody knows they're autotrophes. They create their

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own energy. They don't have to they don't have to

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eat other things. They create their own energy through photos

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of this through CO two and light. So you know

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the minimum light intensity required for photosynth the balance respiration.

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That's that's the light compensation point. Below this light level,

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the plant starts consuming more energy than it produces, and

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that leads to a net loss, and it also means

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that again it doesn't have This is why like plants,

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cacti especially. I'm just talking about cacti because it's a

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great cacti that aren't getting enough light, like in shady

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conditions being abused at the Sewell Ross greenhouse where they're

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also infested with mites, and no one's treating them with systemics,

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which you basically need to if you're growing caced i

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in a greenhouse, because you're gonna get mites in there

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at some point. Mites in scale. Right, they're not able

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to make enough enough of the compounds, the phyto chemicals

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that protect themselves. So you know that's one of the

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things they can do, is to to fight off a

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really bad mighte infestation. There's nothing you can do, but

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but you're gonna they're gonna be able to defend themselves

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a little bit if they're getting enough light, right, But

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in weakened plants, if they're not getting enough light, and

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there it's it's too shady, it's too dark. Now they're prone.

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And then you introduce a pathogen you know, or or insects,

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insects or a fungal pathogen, and now you're screwed. Now

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it's like uphill battle. You got to get them more light.

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So that's what I always said. Nothing. I'll tell people,

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like you want plants to be their healthiest, get they

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they need that. They need light. They need the conditions

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that they've evolved in, all right, and they need more light.

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If it's if if they full sun plants like a

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man's needing, you're growing in the shade, it's gonna eventually decline. Right,

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It's not gonna be able to make enough food for itself.

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And it's also going to probably get sick. It's probably

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going to get infested with scale. And I see that

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a lot too. I'll see plants like in pots in

467
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a nursery somewhere or in someone's backyard that look like

468
00:24:25,279 --> 00:24:28,119
shit and the leaves have thrips and they're all speckled.

469
00:24:28,519 --> 00:24:31,279
They're covered in mites. The leaves just that's not like

470
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:33,839
a bright, vivid green. They're pale, they're speckled. They could

471
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:36,240
tell something's been sucking on them. You put them in

472
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:39,119
full sun and light and boom they the pest is

473
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,480
still there, but now they're able to you know, now

474
00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:46,200
they're able to photosynthesize more energy reserves to you know,

475
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:50,240
create more lush new growth and also create more of

476
00:24:50,279 --> 00:24:52,319
the their immune system, if you want to think of

477
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,039
it like that does better. And they don't. They don't

478
00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:56,759
even have to be treated. You just put them in

479
00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,680
full sun and give them the conditions they need and

480
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,160
add with moisture and you keep the roots cool, and boom,

481
00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,640
they start doing well and suddenly the mites aren't an

482
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,839
issue anymore. They're still there, they're probably, no doubt feeding

483
00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:10,880
on the plant or the thrips or whatever, but they're

484
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,920
not a problem anymore because this is a healthy plant

485
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,200
and it can probably deal with a certain degree of

486
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,839
mite damage, insect damage, whatever. I mean. Plants have been

487
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,440
doing us for a long time. They're holding up the

488
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:25,160
entire biosphere. They're kind of meant to get eaten by

489
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:28,480
other things. It's you know, they make space for that

490
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:32,160
in their lives. So we talked about light compensation point.

491
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,000
Now let's talk about CO two compensation point, all right,

492
00:25:35,039 --> 00:25:38,440
And CO two compensation point is the minimum CO two

493
00:25:38,519 --> 00:25:44,200
concentration in the surrounding air where photosynthesis equals respiration. Okay,

494
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,279
So of course you know the production of these sugars

495
00:25:46,319 --> 00:25:49,079
is a product of both light and CO two, and

496
00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,400
that's why we have two different compensation points because there's

497
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,839
two different factors light intensity and CO two concentration in

498
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:57,400
the atmosphere.

499
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 3: No.

500
00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:01,440
Speaker 1: CO two concentration of the atmosphere is four hundred, right,

501
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,319
it's very really, that whole fucking Industrial revolution thing. Four

502
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,519
hundred parts per million, four hundred ppm. All right, So

503
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,279
remember you've got two types of plants when it comes

504
00:26:11,279 --> 00:26:12,920
to carbon fix it. Well, you've got more than that,

505
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,920
but we're talking about C three and C four plants.

506
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,480
C three plants work better at at a at milder

507
00:26:20,559 --> 00:26:24,279
quote milder temperatures, and C four carbon fixation works better.

508
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,880
That's many of the grasses and some euphorbias, et cetera.

509
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:31,039
They have that Cran's anatomy. Remember it's a specific type

510
00:26:31,039 --> 00:26:33,519
of anatomy where they're with which they It has to

511
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:36,640
do with how they how they go about photosynthesis and

512
00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:41,400
sequestering carbon in themselves to keep it away from oxygen

513
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:44,599
so that it doesn't the oxygen doesn't bind with ubisco, right,

514
00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:47,000
That's why they have that special anatomy. The C four

515
00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:50,200
plants do, so lots of grasses, especially at least the

516
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,839
hot season grasses, the cool season grasses, many of them

517
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960
are just C three But anyway, C three and C

518
00:26:55,599 --> 00:26:58,119
four plants, right, So for C three plants, they've got

519
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,759
a higher carbon carbon dioxide compensation point, which is thirty

520
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,440
to seventy ppm, and for C four plants, they've got

521
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:12,400
a lower carbon dioxide concentration point zero to ten ppm,

522
00:27:12,519 --> 00:27:15,400
So they only need they only need an atmosphere with

523
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:18,160
the concentration of the C four plants do of zero

524
00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:21,559
to ten ppm because they can, they're so efficient it

525
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,680
concentrating it and then shuffling it off to those bundle

526
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,160
sheath cells where they can keep it away from oxygen

527
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:34,039
and it'll get handled, you know, by RuBisCO for photosynthesis,

528
00:27:34,079 --> 00:27:38,279
the enzyme that fixes carbon all right. For C three plants,

529
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,920
you know, these are very low numbers. Obviously, thirty to

530
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,559
seventy ppm, zero to ten ppm, these are very low numbers.

531
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:49,200
And of course the atmosphere never reaches that low and

532
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:53,240
probably never has an Earth's history, except well did it ever?

533
00:27:53,559 --> 00:27:57,799
Probably not, no, but there's certain there used to not

534
00:27:57,799 --> 00:28:00,720
be any oxygen on the atmosphere, of course, but that's

535
00:28:00,759 --> 00:28:03,640
something different. So what are we talking about if these

536
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,319
are low numbers, We're talking about the intracellular spaces inside stomata,

537
00:28:09,519 --> 00:28:12,519
the leaf intercellular space is inside the stomata. Once that

538
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,200
CO two has diffused into air spaces within the leaf, right,

539
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,319
which is I think once it gets in there is

540
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:21,200
still you know, the CO two is tip still at

541
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:26,799
a density of two hundred three hundred ppm, and then

542
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:32,519
the CCP, of course is the shred the threshold at

543
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:36,599
which these internal CO two levels can't support net photosynthesis,

544
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,079
which it just drops too low. So that in other words,

545
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:45,599
that that you know, forty to seventy ppm for C

546
00:28:45,839 --> 00:28:49,799
three plants, while it seems high, is still really really low.

547
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:53,880
They're never going to encounter that in Earth's atmosphere, okay,

548
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:57,240
And that's just shows how efficient they are. I mean,

549
00:28:57,319 --> 00:28:59,519
to have four hundred what's earth savage for four to

550
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:04,359
twenty ppm of carbon dioxide inside the leaf cells of

551
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,799
like a healthy, fully functioning leaf that's not in drought

552
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,200
or drought stressed or heat is two hundred to three

553
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:12,839
hundred ppm, right, and they still you have to drop

554
00:29:12,839 --> 00:29:15,359
as low as forty or seventy for the machine to

555
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:20,000
break for the amount of carbon necessary for the production

556
00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:24,480
of sugars. That's the threshold. You know. Below that, then

557
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:28,240
now you're in the red. Now you're in the red. Okay,

558
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:30,920
But keep in mind that for C four plants it's

559
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,480
even lower. It's like zero to ten. And why is that.

560
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,279
That's because of an enzyme called pp carboxylase. So anytime

561
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:41,480
you hear PEP carboxylates, it should be synonymous with C

562
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:47,200
four photosynthesis, and PEP carboxylized carboxylates is an enzyme that

563
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:50,880
C four plants use to concentrate carbon dioxide, and that's

564
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,400
why they can work. It's such low ppms of CO two.

565
00:29:56,079 --> 00:29:58,079
I think it's you know, I think that is actually

566
00:29:58,079 --> 00:30:00,559
one of the defining factors. That is one of the

567
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400
that's the border line between C three. What defines C

568
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,240
three and C four plants, at least in studies, is

569
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:10,319
that C three plants are technically defined as anything that's

570
00:30:10,319 --> 00:30:14,680
got a carbon compensation point higher than forty. I think

571
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,359
because you know, lower lower than that, you know, it's

572
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,839
C four plants can work at very low carbon dioxide

573
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,119
compensation points again the zero to ten. And so what

574
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:31,200
is it about pep CARBOXYLATESE that makes it so so efficient?

575
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,599
That makes C four plants which have this C three

576
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,359
plants don't have it? Well, what makes it them so efficient?

577
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:41,640
It's it's pep carboxylases is just so good at bonding

578
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,480
to CO two. It bonds to CO two and it

579
00:30:44,519 --> 00:30:47,680
doesn't It's got no affinity for oxygen, so it only

580
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,319
grabs CO two. So it grabs that CO two and

581
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,680
it turns it into oxalo acetate. I always thought it

582
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,400
was malic acid. Is that the same thing as oxalo acetate?

583
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:02,559
The same thing as malic acid malae? That's not the same.

584
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:05,079
It's not the same, but they're closely related. So ox

585
00:31:05,079 --> 00:31:08,000
salo acetate, that's it's a four carbon compound. That's where

586
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,319
that's where C four photos and this gets its name.

587
00:31:10,839 --> 00:31:14,359
Uh oaa malle that kind I mean you could for

588
00:31:14,519 --> 00:31:17,480
like for crass lacey and acid metabolism, they use malic

589
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:21,880
acid malle it to store CO two. Uh So I

590
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:23,720
think this is the same. Is it the same? I

591
00:31:23,759 --> 00:31:27,640
don't know. PP grabs CO two from the air, even

592
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:31,480
the low concentrations that it locks it into oxalo acetate,

593
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,640
a four carbon compound, and uh, and of course it's

594
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:38,960
it's very efficient to do in this. It's like it's

595
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,160
ten to one hundred times faster at fixing CO two

596
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,359
than the RuBisCO enzyme, which is which is what we're

597
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,559
gonna get to later. But we're gonna get to that,

598
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:49,000
you know, in a in a safe space where the

599
00:31:49,079 --> 00:31:51,920
CO two is concentrated. Later on, we're gonna get to

600
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:55,319
that in the bundle sheath cells. So that's then, that's

601
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:59,680
what makes this so fucking efficient, is it? The pp

602
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:03,920
car box lace grabs the CO two, bonds to it,

603
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:08,839
super concentrates it, and then it's it's transported to the

604
00:32:08,839 --> 00:32:13,359
bundle sheath cells. Remember that Cran's anatomy for C four photosynthesis,

605
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,759
So that four carbon compound that the malade is shuttled

606
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:21,720
off to bundle sheath cells where it's then broken down

607
00:32:21,759 --> 00:32:25,880
by enzymes. And that's when the pure CO two is

608
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,319
released and it's released back into the chloroplasts, the surrounding

609
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,880
chloroplasts of the bundle sheath cells, where RuBisCO gets a

610
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,839
hold of it in an oxygen free environment and goes

611
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,119
to town. And now you have you have photosynthesis starting

612
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:45,400
up at least starting the carbon fixation part of photosynthesis

613
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,079
starting up. And so that's why C four plants are

614
00:32:48,119 --> 00:32:51,319
so efficient, is because they've got this carbon concentrating mechanism

615
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:54,440
with the help of PEP carboxylase, And that's why they're

616
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,680
so efficient that hot temperatures, so you know, the whereas

617
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,440
the C three kind of starts to break down at

618
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,559
how temperatures, RuBisCO just isn't defficient, and it starts binding

619
00:33:05,559 --> 00:33:09,720
with oxygen at high heat. At the higher temperatures, RuBisCO

620
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,119
just bonds with that with with oxygen more. Oxygen just

621
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,279
competes better than CO two, Right, it's O two's buying.

622
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:24,160
Oxygen's binding affinity increases while CO two's syllability decreases at

623
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,839
high temperatures. So that that's why this all evolved in

624
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,640
the first place. And why did it Why is because

625
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,599
it seems like a flaw, like the RuBisCO thing. And

626
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,359
I didn't mean to get into talking about fucking C

627
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,839
three and C four photosynthesis. I was just talking about

628
00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:39,079
compensation point and how temperature affects plan metabolism. But we

629
00:33:39,119 --> 00:33:41,920
might as well cover this too, because it's interesting stuff. Right,

630
00:33:42,039 --> 00:33:46,039
Why is this this flaw and RuBisCO like, why why

631
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,000
is this the case? Well, if you look at most

632
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:51,440
of our's history, RuBisCO evolved three billion years ago, three

633
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,240
billion years ago was in cyanobacteria. Uh, it's it's been

634
00:33:56,400 --> 00:34:01,759
used in single celled algae and eukaryotic cells like the

635
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:07,440
higher cells, not just measley cyanobactery with the circular DNA,

636
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:12,400
but in higher life forms, still single cell, but with

637
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,039
a nutritus like many algae, green algae, and so you

638
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:19,519
know it's an old this is an old enzyme. You

639
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,679
get to cut it some sleck when it back then

640
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:26,440
when it evolved, you know CO two concentrations were really

641
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,599
high and oxygen was not as abundant. And it's just

642
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,400
it's never been fixed. It's the one thing that has

643
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,239
never been quote fixed. It's evolution has never gotten around this.

644
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,400
It's worked out other ways around this without actually having

645
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:46,559
to recreate something analogous to the RuBisCO enzyme, which again

646
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:52,920
is is good at fixing carbon fixing carbon pp carbox

647
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:58,280
las concentrates carbon. RuBisCO is what's actually needed for photosynthesis.

648
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,719
So there's no there's no analogue anywhere that I know

649
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,119
of to RuBisCO. There's there's no substitute, right, RuBisCO is it?

650
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,000
That's it. That's what we got on planet Earth with

651
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:14,599
the most important enzyme on planet Earth. You know, replacing

652
00:35:15,039 --> 00:35:20,360
RuBisCO would require rewiring the entire calvit cycle and that

653
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,960
that is a fucking feat man. That is like it's

654
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,639
like reinventing the wheel. Okay, it's like a whole, you know,

655
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,760
And RuBisCO works across all photosynthetic pathways through all all

656
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,159
photosynthetic life forms, so it's kind of the gold standard.

657
00:35:36,199 --> 00:35:38,760
So it's much easier to stick with it and instead

658
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,800
just work around, make work arounds. And again i'm anthropomorphizing here.

659
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,440
That's not how evolution works, right, but you get the idea.

660
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,480
It's it's just trial and error. But you know, it's

661
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:54,840
much easier for something like C four photosynthesis to evolve,

662
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,960
and indeed it has evolved many many times independently in

663
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:04,199
separate plant species and clades and lineages. Much easier for

664
00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:09,840
that to happen than to just reinvent photosynthesis or something

665
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,440
analogous to it, all, right, because there's just it's such

666
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,199
an integral piece, and there's so it's there's so many

667
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,400
moving parts. It's a lot of complex shit, right, So

668
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:20,559
what are you gonna do You're gonna You're gonna reinvent photosynth.

669
00:36:20,599 --> 00:36:22,360
This is a process that's been a standard for three

670
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,239
and a half billion years. Are you gonna Are you

671
00:36:26,639 --> 00:36:29,880
just gonna create a workaround like C four photosynthesis or

672
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:35,360
CAM photosynthesis in the case of cact iron succulents in

673
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,679
terms of dealing with heat. So anyway, the uh all

674
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,320
this stuff is important too, C three and C four

675
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,840
understanding how it works. I don't know how to fuck

676
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,320
I got to talking about this, so just got a

677
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,039
wild hair up my ass. But C four photos in

678
00:36:49,119 --> 00:36:51,719
this is obviously better, you know, more efficient works in heat.

679
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:56,760
PEP carbox alas concentrates CO two and because of that reason,

680
00:36:57,599 --> 00:36:59,239
you know, this is a talking point. You always hear

681
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,840
these right wing app us to say, you know, or

682
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:06,280
like someone someway, the fact you can deny climate change

683
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,559
now is just amazing. You could deny that CO two

684
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:14,840
traps heat. It's fucking mind by the oil company. Propaganda's

685
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,920
been so good in the United States, especially since the

686
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,239
population is so dumb and getting dumber with every years.

687
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Education kntinues to be defunded and the only purpose of

688
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:27,639
going to school is seen as to get a degree.

689
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:30,800
You know, we elevate businessmen and rich fools to the

690
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,639
status of hero, and then scientists unless they're doing something

691
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:40,719
that creates technology and otherwise sciences they're just seen as

692
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:44,000
a useless job, is a pointless job. The sheer love

693
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,039
of learning about the world around you is not enough.

694
00:37:46,079 --> 00:37:48,800
You have to be creating something that can be monetized.

695
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:54,000
What a fucking what is spiritually dead society? Anyway? I digress.

696
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,199
You always hear the talking point that moresleel two is

697
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,559
going to be good for the atmosphere or playoffs. Love it? Yeah,

698
00:37:59,559 --> 00:38:02,960
I guess C three plants for temperate plants, but a

699
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,000
lot of plants are C four. What proportion of plants

700
00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:09,519
do C four photosynthesis? Huh? What is it? I think

701
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:13,119
it's you know, it's only like three percent of plant species.

702
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:17,719
A flowering plant species use C four photosynthesis, But this

703
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,039
relatively small proportion of species accounts for approximately twenty to

704
00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:26,719
thirty percent of global terrestrial carbon fixation. All the grasses,

705
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,000
not all, but a lot of grasses. All the crop

706
00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:35,119
plants sugar. All the crop grass is sugar, cane, sorgum, corn, Okay,

707
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,400
all C four photosynthesis? They don't give a shit how

708
00:38:38,559 --> 00:38:42,199
much CO two is in the atmosphere. It doesn't doesn't matter,

709
00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:46,239
because they're so good they could take the smallest amount, right,

710
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,400
Remember it's like zero to ten ppm. They can exist

711
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:56,480
on zero to ten ppm of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere.

712
00:38:56,559 --> 00:38:59,679
They can use because they're so good at concentrating it

713
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,599
and then shuffling it off to those bundle sheath cells. Go,

714
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,039
do me a favorite type in type in bundle sheath cell,

715
00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,559
and then do a Google image search and you'll see what. Well,

716
00:39:09,559 --> 00:39:13,599
you'll see what we're talking about here, those bundle sheath cell.

717
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,119
You could, I mean you could. You could see it

718
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:18,320
in some cases. Remember my friend Matt Berger showed a

719
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,920
photo of a Euphorbias species. They uses C four photosynthesis.

720
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:25,159
He used his little hand lens. You could see they

721
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:31,199
they look like concentric circles, concentric circles of cells around

722
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,119
the vascular bundle bundle. You know, the vascular bundle this

723
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,000
xylem and flume, you know it, right, And you get

724
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:41,840
the bundle sheath around it with chloroplasts and then concentrically

725
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:47,039
arranged mesophyl cells wreath like around the bundle sheath itself.

726
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:50,000
So it just looks like an extra ring of cells

727
00:39:51,079 --> 00:39:54,000
around the vascular bundles. But that's where the magic happens.

728
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,679
That's where the C four it's that pep carbox lase.

729
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,719
That's how they do it, man, that's how they That's

730
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,599
how they that's how they get it. So, you know,

731
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,599
the right wing talking point, the oil company fuck boy

732
00:40:09,039 --> 00:40:12,000
talking point, the oil company who likes to get pegged

733
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,280
by the oil companies? Do you like that? Huh? Does

734
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,800
your right wing uncle like it? I like to get

735
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,400
pegged by the oil companies and some of those guys.

736
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:22,760
You know, we're trying to win those guys over. You

737
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,039
just got to get them off that oil company propaganda.

738
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:28,480
It's okay to you know, to admit that humans can

739
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:33,039
affect the atmosphere. Remember in Texas after the floods. Well,

740
00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:35,440
there's been so fucked up in Texas. This is this

741
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,199
is like the intellect level of a lot of like

742
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,159
dominant culture of Texas and culture of course, remember it

743
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:46,000
just gets trickled down from from the cultural icons in

744
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:49,000
a place, the cultural leadership of a place, and then

745
00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:51,719
people just said, okay, they start repeating it, whether it's

746
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,159
left or right. This is just how human culture works.

747
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:57,400
We're social apes, we're social primates. But one of the

748
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
things they were saying was, you know, doing the during

749
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:02,719
the massive floods that happen, the weather's been so fucked up,

750
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:07,159
that's kind of undeniable. It's not the CO two, it's

751
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:11,079
weather modification. It's the weather modification. I used to get

752
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:14,800
the comments on the YouTube channel all the time, weather modification.

753
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,119
It's like, shit, the fuck up? What are you talking about? Right?

754
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:21,360
Just I love on the scale of logic. That's how

755
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,280
broken the scale of logic is in some places. Is

756
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,719
it the CO two that we've been pumping into the

757
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,679
atmosphere exponentially for the last one hundred and seventy five years,

758
00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:34,719
or is it the weather modification? What do you just? Like,

759
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:39,000
what do you think? Because your your cultural affiliation, your

760
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:43,280
ideological primate group that you're stuck in, won't allow you

761
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,679
to say things like climate change, will be ostracized. So,

762
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,519
you know, just like a lot of like Caucasian progressives

763
00:41:50,519 --> 00:41:53,119
won't let you say the word retard. Even though no

764
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:57,159
one uses the word retard as a slur against disabled people.

765
00:41:57,199 --> 00:42:00,159
That would be insane and cruel. They only use it

766
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,679
to describe people that are acting retarded, just like that thing,

767
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,239
you know, you get, you get ostracized that way. If

768
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,239
you're on the right and you admit that carbon dioxide

769
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:12,480
traps heat, you're not, you know, you're gonna raise eyebrows.

770
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,360
So next time your right wing uncle tells you about that,

771
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:19,159
you start talking about Cran's anatomy and how you know,

772
00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:25,440
all the major monocock crop plants as well as pineapples, well,

773
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,159
pineapples use camp photosynthesis, but all the major monocock crop plants,

774
00:42:30,199 --> 00:42:32,519
sour gum, sugar, cane corn, they don't give a shit

775
00:42:32,679 --> 00:42:35,079
how much CO two is in the Atmosphere're not gonna

776
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:38,239
benefit from the increased CO two, but they might be

777
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:39,960
a little more stressed out from the heat and the

778
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:44,559
erratic weather patterns. So anyway, you say, you know, when

779
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:47,119
they go off and you tell them, hey, hey, grandpa,

780
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,840
why don't you touch my Cran's anatomy, that's what you

781
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:52,599
say to them, and then we can start talking about

782
00:42:52,679 --> 00:42:57,960
the plant metabolism. But I wonder going back to the

783
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,480
plant metabolism things. So for tropical plant it's where it

784
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:03,159
stays so damn warm and humid at night, their respiration

785
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,719
is going at night. Obviously they can't shut that down.

786
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,519
How do they compensate? Are they just how do they

787
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,239
not hit their compensation point? How do not fall below it?

788
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,840
I guess the carbon fixation and photosynthesis during the day

789
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:23,199
is just running so strong. They grow so vigorously that

790
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:29,320
warm nights don't affect them. They can continue respiring at night.

791
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,440
And then what is it? There's there is something tropical

792
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,280
plants do they up their leaf nitrogen to? What was that?

793
00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:39,880
Let me let me find I wrote this down in

794
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,119
my notes again. Hold on, now, maybe I misread that wrong.

795
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,800
I'm just seeing stuff about heat shock proteins, which I

796
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,239
had a friend who was studying beeflies and noted that

797
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,639
beeflies many species of beefly flies that look like bees,

798
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,159
or a lot of flies look like bees. But that's

799
00:43:56,199 --> 00:43:59,719
generally speaking. Many species of beefly were important pollinators in

800
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,360
thee because they had hot heat shock proteins to help

801
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,119
them cope with those those really hot days, whereas bees

802
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:11,440
tend to be more active in the morning and at

803
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:15,119
least during the hot season mornings before it really heats up.

804
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:18,159
And I think maybe dusk too. I don't know, but

805
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,719
I'm seeing for tropical plants heat shock proteins, and then

806
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,960
OSMO protected which are you know, like a osmoltes, which

807
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,559
I think you know, compounds that help maintain cell water

808
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:33,199
balance and protect cellular components under heat stress. There was

809
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,840
there was a paper I came across as well called

810
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:41,880
Handling the Heat Photosynthetic Thermal Stress in Tropical Trees a

811
00:44:42,079 --> 00:44:47,519
number of authors. The lead author was Lassie Tarvenen and

812
00:44:47,599 --> 00:44:51,440
this is from October twenty twenty one, and I think

813
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:57,440
this paper mostly focuses on photosystem two and its sensitivity

814
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,320
to to heat. Photosystem two is of course, you remember,

815
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:07,480
photosystem two comes before photosystem one in photosynthesis, and that's

816
00:45:07,519 --> 00:45:11,840
where water is split in photosystem two, and then the

817
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:15,679
electrons from that process are used to power the fixation

818
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:20,360
of carbon in photosystem one. But photosystem two is essential.

819
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,199
It's called it two comes before one because it was

820
00:45:22,199 --> 00:45:26,119
discovered after one. So it's counterintuitive, kind of like how

821
00:45:26,159 --> 00:45:31,880
the pistol is the female part of the flour. Anyway,

822
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,599
that photosystem two shuts. That's very heat sensitive. It's especially

823
00:45:36,639 --> 00:45:39,280
heat sensitive. There's a number of reasons for that. It's

824
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,719
also one of the most critical points. I mean, it

825
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,840
is the most it's like the whole electron transport chain

826
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:50,840
shuts down at photosystem two stops being very efficient. And

827
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:55,519
this paper mentioned I think it was a critical threshold

828
00:45:55,639 --> 00:45:58,880
is a temperature at which fifty percent of PS two

829
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,559
function is lost T fifty. This is a standard measure

830
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,960
of heat tolerance. Research shows that the T fifty of

831
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:09,840
many tropical tree species is only a few degrees above

832
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,800
the maximum leaf temperatures they currently experience in their natural habitat.

833
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,360
So this leaves a very narrow safety margin quote unquote,

834
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,800
which makes you wonder what's going to happen with climate change.

835
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,400
But again I think most of the warming happens is

836
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,440
going to be happening at higher latitudes, and most of

837
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,239
the warming, like the weather is going to get more

838
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,800
fucked up everywhere, but higher latitudes are going to warm

839
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,440
much more now, like which is what you see in Chicago.

840
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,880
Chicago doesn't get brutal winters like it used to. There's

841
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,760
still fucking brutal by any measure of degree of anybody

842
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,079
saying that lives in the lower latitudes, but they're not

843
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,239
like they used to be. It's freaky. I remember as

844
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,800
a kid growing up, we'd be sledding in November, and

845
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,639
that's unheard of. If you're going to go sledding, it's

846
00:46:56,639 --> 00:46:59,320
not going to happen till January February. And it just

847
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,360
doesn't get as old as it used to, which again

848
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,559
is not saying much. It used to get like twenty

849
00:47:04,599 --> 00:47:08,280
five thirty below and the snow had the consistency of sand.

850
00:47:08,559 --> 00:47:12,079
You felt like you were on frigid dunes with all

851
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:15,639
this powdery snow just blowing. I remember like looking at

852
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:18,760
the streets in Chicago where they'd be plowed, but there'd

853
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,280
be a layer of ice on them, and then there'd

854
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:26,119
be just these waves of sand like snow particles. Like

855
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:28,199
you couldn't make snowballs out of this stuff. It was

856
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:31,679
too frozen, it was too cold, it didn't pack together.

857
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,280
It'd be like trying to make a snowball out of sand.

858
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,880
It's wild. It's essentially just really hard ice, tiny ice crystals.

859
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,719
But I think most of the warming is definitely gonna

860
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:44,960
happen at higher latitudes, and that's what happened in the

861
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,039
e scene, I think, which is fifty five million years ago.

862
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:51,000
That's how those don redwood forests got on Axel Heiberg

863
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,320
island in the Arctic. You know, someone should write a review.

864
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,800
Go to Google maps to write a positive review for

865
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,199
axel Heiberg Island. You know, just just give it a

866
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,440
shout out. I would love to go there and see

867
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,880
some of those fossil medicicoia for us. What was it?

868
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:10,119
Was it acxul Hiberg. Let me see this. Shout out

869
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:14,840
to the fossil don redwood forest on axel Heiberg Island

870
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:20,559
up there in the Arctic, far far northern north of Canada. Oh,

871
00:48:20,679 --> 00:48:25,480
beautiful photos online. Oh look at these. Fuck take me there,

872
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,119
Take me daddy. Oh I want to go big massive

873
00:48:30,199 --> 00:48:34,679
tree stumps. Jesus Christ. Oh, look the Hooper Museum. Where's

874
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,519
the Hooper Museum? Oh at a Hooper museum is I

875
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,119
think it's in Canada. Yeah, that's pretty cold. Go up

876
00:48:41,159 --> 00:48:44,719
to Canada. Yeah. Studies have been done comparing the modern

877
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,280
analogs of these fossils. So shout out to the east scene.

878
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,599
This is after the comment knocked out the dinosaurs or

879
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:55,920
the asteroid, and you know, mammalian life was getting going.

880
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,360
It was already going strong fifty five million years ago.

881
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:03,000
Lots of plan but there's some fucking wonderful fossils up there.

882
00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:08,320
God like bad Lands formations, except it's frigid. How do

883
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,480
you charter? How do you charter a trip to Axel Hybrid.

884
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,800
Let's go, let's fucking go. Get in the fucking vague.

885
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,639
We're going up there. I don't care how we got

886
00:49:15,679 --> 00:49:18,039
to get in there. We're going up to Axle Hybrid.

887
00:49:20,039 --> 00:49:24,599
But anyway, Yeah, so God, that would be an amazing flora.

888
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,639
If you could go back in time, where would you

889
00:49:26,679 --> 00:49:29,280
go back to? You know, for a botanical expedition, you

890
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,679
didn't have to worry about getting eaten by anything. Say, mate,

891
00:49:32,679 --> 00:49:34,400
they put you in one of those little hamster balls,

892
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,199
like in that shitty Jurassic Park sequel that came out

893
00:49:37,199 --> 00:49:39,639
that I only saw because my daughter wanted to watch it.

894
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,519
I'm lying, I wanted to watch it too a little bit.

895
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,840
But you know, uh, you know, you get one of those,

896
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,079
you just go do a botanic a floristic survey. You're

897
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:54,880
not gonna get eaten by any large abrasive mambles. He

898
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:01,519
was emotionally abusive. He was emotionally abusive. Uh uh, ground

899
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,559
ground slows didn't go what were some of what were

900
00:50:03,639 --> 00:50:10,599
some large predatory mammal families. I don't know, but anyway, Yeah,

901
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,199
so the most of the warming is going to be

902
00:50:13,199 --> 00:50:15,199
at the higher latitudes because that's where more of the

903
00:50:15,199 --> 00:50:17,519
discremacy is. And again that's why we get those cold

904
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:20,039
spells deep in deep Texas because the jet stream gets

905
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,039
all fucked up, and now that cold air is not stable,

906
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:26,840
it's not contained up north. It's you get that wavering

907
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,880
jet stream in January Februy, and you're gonna get a

908
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,280
cold dip, you know, and then people are going to

909
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,079
be freezing to death in their homes in Texas, especially

910
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:39,119
since the state, you know, the power company has basically

911
00:50:39,159 --> 00:50:42,239
been bought out by corrupt politicians or owned the it

912
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:46,239
bought corrupt politicians. So it's all privatized. When did they

913
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,559
privatize the energy grid twenty years ago? That's when it

914
00:50:48,599 --> 00:50:51,960
made everything more expensive. Like everything is privatized in Texas.

915
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:58,119
It's like the typical like reaganomic sweat dream. We don't

916
00:50:58,119 --> 00:51:03,280
believe in publicly funding anything. Dam it. Got to keep

917
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:05,679
those tax rates low, even though the property tax rates

918
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:10,039
here through the roof there's high as California anyway, speaking

919
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:12,639
of the tropics, I looked at the weather for Guanacaste,

920
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:16,199
Costa Rica in the northwest where I was in April,

921
00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:19,079
and it was the floor was all crunchy from all

922
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:23,519
the leaves. It's a drought deciduous tropical forest, which again

923
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:25,920
many people in northern latitudes don't know is even a thing.

924
00:51:27,199 --> 00:51:29,440
But it was very dry, and it was but it

925
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:31,440
was still humid, and it reminded me a lot of

926
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
South Texas where I live, of the subtropical climate down here,

927
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,599
except they get far more rain. It's just, of course seasonal.

928
00:51:38,199 --> 00:51:41,519
And I looked at the weather recently and it was

929
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,159
raining every day. It's just they get, you know, two

930
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:49,079
meters of rain a year, which but still, you know,

931
00:51:49,199 --> 00:51:52,440
Corcasolioides I probably one of the most heat tolerant oaks,

932
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,119
grows there on the limestone. Fine, I need to get

933
00:51:55,159 --> 00:51:58,000
acorns of that, man, they need to get quircusoloides acorns

934
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,880
grows south of me Aleapus too, but that would be

935
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:06,559
you know, it's it needs high rainfall during the summer months,

936
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,039
but it can take that. It's still incredibly heat tolerant.

937
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,719
I don't know why they don't plant caurcasolioides instead of

938
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,280
the what is the oak they plant it down here.

939
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,400
It's not even like it's not even Corcas fusiformists, which

940
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,239
is native, you know, sixty miles north of here, they

941
00:52:22,239 --> 00:52:26,039
plant Corcas virginiana from probably from Florida, I think is

942
00:52:26,039 --> 00:52:29,960
where most of those commercial nurseries are. But uh, you know,

943
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,280
got to use the tools that were built for the land.

944
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:36,679
So I bet carcasolioides if it's not you know, well,

945
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:39,320
human land clearance fucks it up. But I bet it

946
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,920
would have if there were no people in the climate

947
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,280
was changing like it is. I bet carcasoloites would be

948
00:52:44,639 --> 00:52:47,679
migrating north into Texas. I don't know why it doesn't

949
00:52:47,679 --> 00:52:51,920
occur here already, seems like it's great for it. But anyway,

950
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,519
but we don't get as much rain as you get

951
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,599
when you head further south into the tropical latitudes. We're

952
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,599
twenty six degrees here, so it's hot as balls, but

953
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,800
it's not quite the tropics yet. We don't get as

954
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,280
much rain. We don't get that pronounced wet and dry season.

955
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:11,039
But I mentioned this. I mentioned the rainfall because that's

956
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,679
what the tropics have. Of Course, they've got high rain,

957
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,840
so they're able to compensate with these hot temperatures by

958
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:24,000
evappo transpiration. It's basically plants sweating, and so that is

959
00:53:24,199 --> 00:53:27,119
how many plants keep their leaf temperatures down. But of

960
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,119
course to do that you need water. You need moisture

961
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:33,360
in the first place, which plants, if you're growing in

962
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:36,920
a desert, don't have. So you've got this warming versus

963
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:40,639
drying conflict. You've got this critical dilemma to avoid thermal damage.

964
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,119
If you're a plant, you need to transpire moisture out

965
00:53:43,159 --> 00:53:46,920
of your stilmata, you know, which if water goes from

966
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,639
a liquid to a gas state that requires heat energy,

967
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:54,599
it pulls it from the surrounding tissue and atmosphere. But

968
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,440
if you've got a fixed amount of if you only

969
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,760
got a fixed amount of moisture, that's gonna be a

970
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:03,639
problem for you. And so to avoid you know, hydraulic

971
00:54:03,679 --> 00:54:07,960
failure during drought, you know, to avoid cavitation, you just

972
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,880
need You're gonna need to stop transpiring too. So that's

973
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:15,119
why many plants in the desert have hairs of course,

974
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:19,599
to limit moisture loss, reflect sunlight, reduce the reduce, create

975
00:54:19,639 --> 00:54:22,440
their own shade screen basically help keep leaf temperatures down.

976
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:26,000
But when you go to the tropics, where it's equally hot.

977
00:54:26,519 --> 00:54:28,800
Doesn't get I don't think it ever gets any of

978
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,199
these tropical forests up to like one hundred and five.

979
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:35,239
There's just too much moisture in the atmosphere for it

980
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,800
to do that, too much water to heat up. But

981
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:42,719
a lot of tropical plants will have big, big leaves,

982
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,360
big leaf surfaces, not a lot of hair, glabrous, the

983
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,679
opposite of what desert plants will have. And that's because

984
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:51,679
they've got so much moisture. Well, one of the reasons

985
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:53,559
they would they would rot if they had hairs, because

986
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:56,559
it's so humid. But also they've got so much moisture.

987
00:54:56,559 --> 00:54:58,480
It's not an issue there because it rains every day

988
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,400
that they can just continue sweating so and that of

989
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:05,920
course keeps keeps them cool and keeps the surrounding area

990
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,440
much cooler than it would otherwise be in say, you

991
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,639
know a lowland forest on the equator where it's just

992
00:55:12,639 --> 00:55:15,400
getting blasted with sunlight, and it should by all intents

993
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,000
and purposes, it should be hot as fuck, but it's

994
00:55:18,039 --> 00:55:20,360
not as hot as it could be because of all

995
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,559
that moisture. But then again, when you scrape away all

996
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,639
the plant cover now you're just blasting the sun with heat.

997
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:29,199
And that's the main that's the main thing that drives

998
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,519
me nuts about And I mentioned this in the podcast

999
00:55:31,559 --> 00:55:35,800
all the time, is the fucking the heat island. The

1000
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:41,000
heat island created by mowing and just fucking cutting the

1001
00:55:41,039 --> 00:55:45,199
forest away. And it's so fucking infuriating, man, you know

1002
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,199
I was. I went on this bike ride last night,

1003
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:49,239
which I've been doing lately. It's a nice way to get,

1004
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,199
you know, exercised down here because the landscape kind of

1005
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,199
makes you fatty. There's nowhere you can't get exercise anywhere

1006
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,480
unless you go to a gym and you know, breathing

1007
00:55:58,519 --> 00:56:01,599
off gassing plastic and listen to shitty music and hear

1008
00:56:01,639 --> 00:56:06,840
the meatheads grunting every time they dropped the weights. But

1009
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,320
but you know, so I wanted this bike ride. We

1010
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:11,800
meet up, there's all these Spandex guys. I don't wear

1011
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,360
a fucking Spandex. You'll never catch me wearing fucking span X.

1012
00:56:14,679 --> 00:56:16,440
I used to be a bike messenger in New York.

1013
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:19,039
I did it in Chicago. I liked it because everybody

1014
00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:21,639
that did it was mostly an alcoholic anyway, there was

1015
00:56:21,679 --> 00:56:24,400
a high turnover rate. You didn't have to. You could

1016
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,519
make it a good amount of money, get exercise, be outside,

1017
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:29,880
not have to deal with the general public too much,

1018
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,159
at least not in any way that could threaten your job.

1019
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:36,360
And uh, and it was fucking it was great, you know,

1020
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,840
and make it these amount of money again and you

1021
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,360
could quit, you know, the high turnover rate a lot

1022
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,239
of these messenger companies, and you just quit, go work

1023
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,639
for another company. They don't give a shit either. This

1024
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,199
is mostly a job that's gone now. It was restricted

1025
00:56:49,719 --> 00:56:52,400
and I think now it's mostly restricted to delivering weed

1026
00:56:52,519 --> 00:56:56,000
and food. But you know, in the early two thousands,

1027
00:56:56,039 --> 00:56:58,480
it was still there was still a demand for it.

1028
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:01,320
I did it here, I did in Chicago, I did

1029
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:03,079
it in New York, I did it in San Francisco,

1030
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,840
and it was fun. You know, it was your time,

1031
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,079
was your own for the most part. But anyway, I

1032
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:13,679
went on this bike ride last night with these uh,

1033
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,360
with these the Spandex guys, and I just, you know,

1034
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,280
I just you need a group to ride with down

1035
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:20,920
here because the drivers are so bad and all the

1036
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,599
infrastructure is built for cars. It's a real shithole. So

1037
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,239
you know, you're safer in a large group. So there

1038
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,320
were like eight of us, and they're all cool. I

1039
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,679
think I was the only one that didn't speak fluent Spanish.

1040
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:34,400
But anyway, we're biking around and we're going we bike

1041
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:37,280
down to the border wall where it's all been cleared

1042
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,760
and it's all ballast laid down and it's hot as fuck.

1043
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:43,440
And then there was a little parcel of quote brush,

1044
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,519
which is really just thorn forest. It's not even thorn scrub.

1045
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:52,519
It's thorn forest. It's thick, almost impenetrable. Uh you know

1046
00:57:52,719 --> 00:57:58,079
miscuit and anaqua and whatever else forest. Uh, you know,

1047
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:02,079
primary or secondary secession forest, because it's all been cleared

1048
00:58:02,079 --> 00:58:04,199
for agriculture at some point right there in a border

1049
00:58:05,199 --> 00:58:08,599
right there, about a real grand And when we go

1050
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:12,800
by that massive forest, the temperature drops and it smells

1051
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,559
good and it's like a cool breeze and it's because

1052
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,559
of all the plants there. And this is the thing

1053
00:58:18,599 --> 00:58:21,119
that drives me nuts that humans in a lot of

1054
00:58:21,159 --> 00:58:24,599
places just have not connected the fucking dots. Yet you

1055
00:58:24,719 --> 00:58:29,480
still got this archaic European probably comes from Europe, Eurasia,

1056
00:58:29,599 --> 00:58:33,079
Europe and Asia, this feeling that the forest is threatening,

1057
00:58:33,079 --> 00:58:35,719
the plant life is messy. It needs to be cleared.

1058
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,519
It's like, no, motherfucker, that's Earth's air conditioning system. Leave it,

1059
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:47,440
you know. And then of course you see the tropical clearance,

1060
00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:50,880
the tropical forest clearance that goes on. It gets brutal

1061
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,079
to see. I mean, look at any map of the

1062
00:58:53,159 --> 00:58:55,199
tropics anywhere. I mean I was looking at a map

1063
00:58:55,199 --> 00:58:59,840
of Honduras because I might go there next year in February,

1064
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,480
trying to get Allen to go with to a lot

1065
00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:05,119
of mushroom diversity, especially northwest hon Durnas. Some guy who's

1066
00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:12,039
a herpetologist invited me down there and anyway, uh, and

1067
00:59:12,079 --> 00:59:14,599
it's like, you know, everything's carved up. There's just you know,

1068
00:59:14,719 --> 00:59:20,880
clearance for agriculture, clearance for it. It's fucking it's depressing.

1069
00:59:21,039 --> 00:59:23,920
But then you also just think, yeah, you clear a

1070
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,039
little patch, it doesn't do that much when you've got

1071
00:59:26,039 --> 00:59:28,760
to when you're clearing land on the scale that human

1072
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:32,719
beings are doing it today, it's it's insanity. It's just

1073
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,239
big of it heats everything up. I mean, you see

1074
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:40,559
where the mass extinction comes from. You see how it's palpable,

1075
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,199
You see how it's real, and and just the heat

1076
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:48,079
island effect too, I mean the whole concept of heat

1077
00:59:48,119 --> 00:59:51,639
islands living in a hot place, like, I'm surprised it's

1078
00:59:51,679 --> 00:59:54,960
there's not more trees where I live, Like, the city's

1079
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:57,320
not planting more trees. That would make too much sense.

1080
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,880
They're more interested in embezzling money from their friends who,

1081
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,440
you know, for their friends who have construction and development

1082
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:09,199
firms here, very very dirty city politics, or just a

1083
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:11,719
bunch of phrases in there, you know, with their fucking

1084
01:00:11,719 --> 01:00:15,920
botox and perfumes and expensive suits and all this shit.

1085
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:22,159
You know, probably getting work done. You know, it's probably

1086
01:00:22,199 --> 01:00:24,880
fucking dudes, a lot of dudes getting facelifts to it.

1087
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,159
But it's such a weird fucking this except that you're old.

1088
01:00:27,159 --> 01:00:29,960
I can't wait to be an old, haggard bastard. It's

1089
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,880
fucking twisted. I need to figure out what I'm going

1090
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,119
to tell my daughter about the makeup thing. You don't

1091
01:00:34,199 --> 01:00:36,719
need to wear makeup. If you want to, that's fine,

1092
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,360
but don't Society is gonna fuck your head up and

1093
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,039
tell you that you need to wear it. Don't fucking

1094
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:43,920
put it on unless you really made the decision that

1095
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,360
you want to. Don't do it for anyone else. It doesn't

1096
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:48,559
don't think that you need this to be pretty. Any

1097
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,960
of that shit, it's all part of the fucking it's

1098
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:56,960
all part of the disease. But you know, I'm surprised

1099
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:01,039
that this city's here. Don't plant more tree that would

1100
01:01:01,119 --> 01:01:05,119
reduce the heat everywhere. It makes it ten degrees cooler.

1101
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,960
It's insanity. You know. My neighbor, the guy across the

1102
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:12,239
street that's got the scam adult daycare business, he called

1103
01:01:12,239 --> 01:01:14,199
the cops on me for planting trees, which is again

1104
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:16,840
I tell people that and they're blown away. If I

1105
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,559
knew that code enforcement wouldn't mess with me for planting

1106
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,559
trees and the hell strips, I'd be doing it, you know,

1107
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:27,280
once or twice a day, every day, planting trees like

1108
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,000
that's a great. That's the thing I can do to

1109
01:01:29,039 --> 01:01:31,880
make where I live less shitty. But it's illegal here.

1110
01:01:32,239 --> 01:01:37,199
It's against code enforcement. The plant trees in a spot

1111
01:01:37,239 --> 01:01:41,800
where it's one hundred and five degrees fahrenheit, you know,

1112
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:45,920
fuck for six months out of the year easily for

1113
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:50,920
you metric system and Celsia's listeners. Remember it's one hundred

1114
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,800
and five minus thirty divided by two fahrenheit degrees minus

1115
01:01:54,840 --> 01:01:58,119
thirty divided by two, So that's seventy five seventy four

1116
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:02,400
divided by two, that would be what is it, thirty

1117
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:08,000
seven degrees celsius. It's thirty seven degrees celsius for six

1118
01:02:08,039 --> 01:02:10,880
months out of a year. Fucking unbelieva. And we have

1119
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:14,440
the moisture, much higher rainfall than places like Phoenix. We

1120
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,760
get the moisture for trees to survive once they're established.

1121
01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:20,280
Why is it illegal? You know, I should just go

1122
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,199
to Heap's nursery and get a shit ton of tepewahes

1123
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,960
fastest growing tree here, lukena pulver olenta, and just start

1124
01:02:27,079 --> 01:02:28,880
knocking on the doors of home owners and being like, yo,

1125
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,480
can I plant this in front of your house on

1126
01:02:31,559 --> 01:02:35,159
a hell strip? Plant it, steake it, mulch it, and

1127
01:02:35,239 --> 01:02:38,159
then just go back to water with a you know,

1128
01:02:38,239 --> 01:02:41,280
a ten gallon. Maybe I'll wait till the cools off

1129
01:02:41,280 --> 01:02:44,159
a little bit. It's fucking hot now. But they're resilient trees, man.

1130
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:46,639
Once you get them in the ground, they not they

1131
01:02:46,679 --> 01:02:50,039
may not take off, you know the first year, but

1132
01:02:50,159 --> 01:02:52,079
they'll they'll hang in there and then once you get

1133
01:02:52,119 --> 01:02:54,159
some rain you can water and then they just shoot up.

1134
01:02:54,199 --> 01:02:56,559
I mean, you can get you can get a tepewahe

1135
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:01,039
to twenty feet tall in two years. It's insane. It's

1136
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:04,639
and it's it's thin wood. It's not super strong wood.

1137
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,239
They could get you know, two foot diameter breast tight.

1138
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,559
But that I mean, that's like such a great candidate.

1139
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,039
Those are just fucking miskeats too. Some of the miskeuaits

1140
01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:17,039
where I live, Holy Hell, I was with me and

1141
01:03:17,079 --> 01:03:19,280
my kid were biking to the coffee shop there that

1142
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,559
they going through an alley. You know, there's this little

1143
01:03:21,679 --> 01:03:24,519
terrier that comes out and chases chases us every time,

1144
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:26,760
and I always, you know, threatened to put him in

1145
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:30,639
a sandwich whenever I whenever I go by, you know,

1146
01:03:30,719 --> 01:03:33,079
because he tries to come nip at our heels. Nobody

1147
01:03:33,159 --> 01:03:37,199
keeps their dogs indoors here, so everything's dogs tied up

1148
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,480
or fucking brutal. It's dog torture. But but we went

1149
01:03:42,519 --> 01:03:45,280
by this miskeit that was like it doesn't get that

1150
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,159
tall and then it kind of leans over, but it's thick.

1151
01:03:48,239 --> 01:03:50,159
It's like a foot and a half diameter and it

1152
01:03:50,239 --> 01:03:53,119
kind of leans over comes back, hits the ground doesn't

1153
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:55,960
root into it. You know, it's probably eighty feet wide

1154
01:03:55,960 --> 01:03:59,239
by twenty feet tall. Just a beautiful tree, but it's

1155
01:03:59,239 --> 01:04:02,719
seen as as brush is, like a pest species here.

1156
01:04:03,079 --> 01:04:06,360
Absolutely insane. I gotta go around taking pictures of some

1157
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,840
of the dying crape myrtles dead and dying crape myrtles here.

1158
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:14,320
I love seeing that. Anyway, I never fancied myself one

1159
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,840
that would be prone to getting into tropical botany. It's

1160
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,960
just not as exciting to me, or wasn't it is

1161
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:24,800
now wasn't as exciting to me as deserts always have been.

1162
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:28,400
Deserts in cloud forests, I should say lowland tropical botany,

1163
01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:31,599
because parmos and cloud forests those are tropics, but they're

1164
01:04:31,639 --> 01:04:35,039
high elevation, right. It's a climate of the Sunset district

1165
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:38,920
of San Francisco on the foggiest summer afternoon, but with

1166
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:44,000
much more rain. But the tropics are just fascinating.

1167
01:04:44,079 --> 01:04:44,199
Speaker 3: Man.

1168
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: It's just such a massive amount of biomass and everything's alive,

1169
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:53,599
and it's so noisy, and it's just the insect the

1170
01:04:53,679 --> 01:04:57,920
singing insects are fucking wild. I was speaking of Costa

1171
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:00,320
Rica again. I was thinking about this one of the

1172
01:05:01,239 --> 01:05:05,719
keystone species down there, as a plant called Terolobium ciclo carpum,

1173
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,599
and it's a mimosoid. It's called the elephant ear tree.

1174
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:12,719
It creates this thing that looks like a tamarind that's

1175
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,119
been bent into a U shape. It looks exactly like

1176
01:05:15,159 --> 01:05:20,280
an ear the fruit does, and it's beautiful, and it's

1177
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:24,079
got like this resinous stuff in it, this resinous pulp

1178
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,599
probably has ten to twelve seeds resinous pulp in it.

1179
01:05:27,639 --> 01:05:32,039
But these intero Lobium can get absolutely fucking massive, man,

1180
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,079
I mean just they get really really tall. They're like

1181
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:37,800
the iconic tropical tree. I think this is the national

1182
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:42,480
tree of Costa Rica as well. But in Terolobium ciclo carpum,

1183
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:45,719
it's a mimosoid. It's got the little mimosoid flowers just

1184
01:05:45,800 --> 01:05:49,800
like a Tepawahe gets fucking massive, massive totem pole of

1185
01:05:49,840 --> 01:05:54,000
a trunk, just a massive giant telephone pole column of

1186
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:57,000
a trunk, and then it spreads out, gets really broad

1187
01:05:57,079 --> 01:05:59,280
up top. And I remember there were there was a

1188
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,400
spot I went to where it was only like two

1189
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:05,559
or three trees that comprised the entire covering of this

1190
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:10,440
soccer field. Like their canopy was so broad it covered

1191
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,880
this soccer They had a soccer field in this town

1192
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,719
set up under it, you know, where people would play.

1193
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:19,159
It was fucking incredible, you know, and there's the cicadas

1194
01:06:19,199 --> 01:06:22,440
and everything. It was so loud, but uh yeah, god,

1195
01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:26,719
it was a really cool, really cool tree species, just

1196
01:06:26,719 --> 01:06:31,199
just massive that. And then I saw Cassia Cassia grandis

1197
01:06:31,320 --> 01:06:35,559
as well, which cassi has you know, related to senate.

1198
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:40,079
I think it's uh it's it's a say cell pinioid,

1199
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:44,679
say cell pinoid. It's like a pink sayceell peneoid flowers,

1200
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,239
So that subfamily of the legging family to say cell pinuate.

1201
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:53,239
Some of the coolest ones po Maria Senna Hoffmann, Segia

1202
01:06:54,840 --> 01:07:00,280
Kama krishta. But it's but they're pink, pink, pink, a

1203
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,559
bunch of pink and yellow pink flowers, like a little

1204
01:07:02,599 --> 01:07:08,079
yellow striation on them. But that same flower structure really cool.

1205
01:07:08,159 --> 01:07:11,480
But another fucking massive tree and it forms these again

1206
01:07:11,559 --> 01:07:14,480
these fruits that have a little bit of pulp in them,

1207
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,880
kind of look like ice cream beans, you know, And

1208
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:22,000
so that pulp is what gets eaten while the seeds

1209
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:25,800
get spit out, and that's how the tree is dispersed.

1210
01:07:27,519 --> 01:07:30,679
So all right, enough about that, I guess for now.

1211
01:07:30,800 --> 01:07:35,239
Shuffling back over to the North American continent, we were

1212
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:39,679
in Pueblo County, Colorado, specifically, when I was heading south,

1213
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:43,440
I was leaving Colorado Springs. I've been hanging out there

1214
01:07:45,840 --> 01:07:49,320
for a few days. Very nice, very high elevation. They're

1215
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:52,000
having drought issues or water issues. Of course, I guess

1216
01:07:52,039 --> 01:07:55,480
the water table's dropping, but it's dropping everywhere. There's not

1217
01:07:55,599 --> 01:07:59,760
enough water. I'm sure the data centers will only help that.

1218
01:08:00,159 --> 01:08:02,599
I am telling you to use AI to teach yourself stuff,

1219
01:08:03,039 --> 01:08:07,639
use it responsibly. I don't think your contribution is going

1220
01:08:07,679 --> 01:08:10,719
to drain the fucking aquafer. It's it's the horrible things

1221
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,480
that the many companies are using it for that's gonna

1222
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,479
do it. But regardless, going south, driving through Pueblo, around

1223
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:24,920
Pueblo County, right well around Pueblo, Colorado, shick it's really interesting.

1224
01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:28,680
There's a couple endemic Areagonum species. There's a cool fizaria.

1225
01:08:30,159 --> 01:08:33,880
Most of the cool Colorado endemics seam centered around the

1226
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:38,520
Grand Junction area to the west. But there's I mean,

1227
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,319
there's cool shit all throughout the state. But the really

1228
01:08:41,399 --> 01:08:45,439
the the really rare endemic seam around the Grand Junction area.

1229
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:49,800
But there was a few in Pueblo. West of Pueblo,

1230
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,520
like up into the front Range, and I didn't I

1231
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,279
didn't get a chance to see those. I had to

1232
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,279
I had time I had to make but I did stop.

1233
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:03,399
I think, yeah, like south of Pueblos, somewhere the road

1234
01:09:03,439 --> 01:09:05,399
started getting really interesting. I was just blazing through on

1235
01:09:05,439 --> 01:09:08,560
the interstate, and I started seeing these road cuts, and

1236
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:12,560
I started seeing mentzelia deca pedola, the white mentzelia. It's

1237
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:16,640
like three feet tall, big white flowers, probably moth pollinated.

1238
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,119
Probably bumblebees hit it too, but probably especially moths. And

1239
01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:24,840
so I the terrain started getting interesting, so I got off.

1240
01:09:24,880 --> 01:09:27,439
I gotta see this. I needed to take a walk anyway.

1241
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,800
And I found this cool little area of like these

1242
01:09:31,199 --> 01:09:38,159
calcareous shale barns with juniper sporadically growing around it. And

1243
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,159
I just parked and got out and started looking at

1244
01:09:43,159 --> 01:09:45,000
stuff and saw all kinds of cool shit. There was

1245
01:09:45,039 --> 01:09:46,960
a bunch of cool say, it's like a where a

1246
01:09:47,239 --> 01:09:50,960
wash went under the freeway, and then there was a

1247
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,399
frontage road near it. And I looked on Onyx, which

1248
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:56,520
someone hooked me up with with a free account. Thank

1249
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,720
you whoever that was, if you're still a fan of

1250
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:03,239
crime Pace or or wherever you are. And so I

1251
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:06,000
looked on onyx and and saw that it was the

1252
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:08,079
land was owned by the state. Because there's a lot

1253
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:11,880
of private land around here. The land was owned by

1254
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:15,319
the state, and so, uh, it would be somewhat chill.

1255
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:16,960
I mean, I would still be trespassing, but it would

1256
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,159
be somewhat chill to go pick a little gander or

1257
01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,279
go see what I could find. And I found it.

1258
01:10:21,479 --> 01:10:23,119
I did find a bunch of cool shit, a bunch

1259
01:10:23,159 --> 01:10:28,239
of things that were common for that area, but otherwise

1260
01:10:28,279 --> 01:10:32,600
somewhat rare. Phizaria, calcicola, little mustard, all this, All these

1261
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:36,199
things were great. Nothing was flowering too, uh, that was

1262
01:10:36,239 --> 01:10:39,680
the other thing. But there was you know, genera I'm

1263
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:44,439
already familiar with oreo, kearria, astraglus, metzelia, fyzaria. There was

1264
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:50,479
a there was a bricklia and and the fucking landscape.

1265
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,479
Oh there was Ariagenham James. I that buckwheat was flowering,

1266
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:56,640
of course, which again I'm surprised no one's growing that

1267
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:59,520
that should be common as fuck in Colorado. Like even

1268
01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:04,319
in in like shitty commercial landscaping, because it's so fucking cool.

1269
01:11:04,359 --> 01:11:07,119
It makes such a nice, you know, ten inch twelve

1270
01:11:07,159 --> 01:11:10,039
inch ground cover. When it flowers, it's covered in fucking

1271
01:11:10,079 --> 01:11:15,600
butterflies and other cool insects. But but you know, I

1272
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,600
think again, no one's growing and buckwheats are easy to

1273
01:11:17,600 --> 01:11:22,119
grow too. Anyway, the habitat itself, I mean, that's the

1274
01:11:22,199 --> 01:11:25,199
kind of habitat I'm attracted to, these like shale barrens

1275
01:11:25,239 --> 01:11:28,279
where the rock is coming up in plates and it's

1276
01:11:28,319 --> 01:11:33,159
it's scattered, it's a gentle slope, but it's sporadic plant life.

1277
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:36,920
I mean it's basically rock. And then the soil, if

1278
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:41,520
you can call it that, that's created from this decomposing

1279
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:45,079
calcareous rock, which means it's like a white powder. It's

1280
01:11:45,119 --> 01:11:49,359
like this powdery shit, And all the plants there are

1281
01:11:49,399 --> 01:11:52,840
just fucking phenomenally cool, like the Yeah, like that fizaria

1282
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,039
that areo Carria. There was an onnathra and a lot

1283
01:11:55,039 --> 01:11:57,840
of the stuff you find in areas like this tend

1284
01:11:57,880 --> 01:12:02,159
to be endemic to that kind of soil. So like

1285
01:12:02,199 --> 01:12:04,680
the soil type or the substrate I should call it,

1286
01:12:04,680 --> 01:12:08,960
because it's not really soil. The substrate is so unique

1287
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:12,880
and extreme that once something can grow there, it can't

1288
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:17,600
grow in quote normal soil. You know. Pence them in

1289
01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:19,960
versa color was a really cool one. I collected some

1290
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:23,399
seeds of that. It's like an a coalescent pence them

1291
01:12:23,399 --> 01:12:26,039
and sends up escape. But the leaves just look like

1292
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:31,880
little you know, lanceolate spikes protruding from the ground. Not spikes,

1293
01:12:31,880 --> 01:12:38,000
they're like glaucous, you know, leaves, but little lanceolate leaves

1294
01:12:38,039 --> 01:12:41,399
without a petiole, just protruding from the ground. So this

1295
01:12:41,439 --> 01:12:46,479
thing probably spreads rhizominously. It just stays buried in this shale,

1296
01:12:47,119 --> 01:12:51,520
these calcareous shale. There was Escobaria vivipera there too, of course,

1297
01:12:51,680 --> 01:12:55,119
is not surprising. That's a very common cactus, probably one

1298
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:58,600
of the most common species of cactus, at least in

1299
01:12:58,680 --> 01:13:03,880
the cactoid subfamily. Throughout North America, there was Menzia dekapedula.

1300
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,039
Like I said before, the flowers bloom at night, but

1301
01:13:06,359 --> 01:13:08,760
you know, beetles or something. Maybe it was locus. It

1302
01:13:08,840 --> 01:13:11,319
might have been locus and katied is. We're already out

1303
01:13:11,359 --> 01:13:14,439
there taking apart the flowers like they eat. I think

1304
01:13:14,479 --> 01:13:17,359
they eat through the sepals, the protective sepals, and then

1305
01:13:17,399 --> 01:13:22,399
after that the flower kind of opens. Uh. There was

1306
01:13:23,199 --> 01:13:25,760
some weird asters. I couldn't tell what they were. Some

1307
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,800
weird members ASTs. I couldn'tell what they were because they

1308
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:30,840
weren't flowering yet. They were about to looked like it

1309
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:34,239
might have been a dieteria, which has purple flowers. And

1310
01:13:34,279 --> 01:13:36,000
you know, you get to look at the filleries, the bracts.

1311
01:13:36,319 --> 01:13:39,720
There was Yucca glocca forming massive colonies everywhere. It doesn't

1312
01:13:39,720 --> 01:13:43,239
get too tall, but forms these these spikes of what

1313
01:13:43,359 --> 01:13:48,159
looks like a blue rosetted grass, a bunch of Boudolua,

1314
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:54,479
wonderful native North American grass genus the Melanpodium lucanthum, blackfoot daisies,

1315
01:13:57,239 --> 01:14:00,079
the penstemen, and the faizaria probably were what struck me

1316
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:01,840
the most, because I was like, this is a fucking

1317
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,560
weird there's a weird pennsedme. I don't think I've ever

1318
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,600
seen pensed them in versa color before. And then you

1319
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,720
four be a margin out of snow on the mountain

1320
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,239
as they call it. That was all over the place too.

1321
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:15,720
And then I walked through this arroyo where it opened

1322
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,239
up and now I was think I was on state land.

1323
01:14:19,279 --> 01:14:21,439
I was away from the further away from the freeway,

1324
01:14:22,119 --> 01:14:25,159
and it was just fucking beautiful. It was like these bluffs,

1325
01:14:25,199 --> 01:14:28,439
these like badland like bluffs with junipers on top. And

1326
01:14:28,520 --> 01:14:30,680
a lot of the central North America looks like this,

1327
01:14:30,840 --> 01:14:34,319
like the areas of Kansas. I've seen this in Nebraska,

1328
01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:43,079
South Dakota, you know, very understudied, underbotanized places, and but

1329
01:14:43,159 --> 01:14:46,119
it's it's fucking beautiful and it's not hyper diverse, but

1330
01:14:46,199 --> 01:14:49,399
what grows there is pretty tough and restricted to growing

1331
01:14:50,119 --> 01:14:53,640
in those kinds of settings, these very harsh bad land

1332
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,520
calcareous soil settings, you know, remnants of the Western Interior Seaway,

1333
01:14:59,159 --> 01:15:02,800
the Cretaceous Western Interior Seaway, and tons of cool bivalve

1334
01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:05,880
fossils all over the place. I found some that looked

1335
01:15:05,920 --> 01:15:08,399
like a piece of a meteor. It was a very

1336
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:11,840
iron rich it was heavier, but it looked it didn't

1337
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:14,600
look vesticular like lava wood. It didn't have vesicles, it

1338
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,560
had kind of bumps, it looked wardy. I don't know

1339
01:15:17,560 --> 01:15:22,640
what the fuck that could have been, but yeah, anyway,

1340
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,840
but the Menzillia was dominant in this dry creekwash and

1341
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:31,039
it was fucking everywhere. And it's such a cool it's

1342
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:33,680
such a cool one that menzilla dea pedaloids, I mean,

1343
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,680
really abundant, really common. Probably a lot of cool moth

1344
01:15:37,680 --> 01:15:39,840
that's hitting it at night if they haven't been wiped

1345
01:15:39,880 --> 01:15:43,640
out by the local agriculture and all the pesticides they used.

1346
01:15:43,640 --> 01:15:45,479
You know, we are in the sixth mass extinction. There's

1347
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:51,640
insect apocalypse, insect crash. But you know, you can't let that,

1348
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,079
you can't let that knock it down. I got to

1349
01:15:53,119 --> 01:15:55,600
learn about geologic timescale and just watch a lot of

1350
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:59,479
fucking comedy of a certain type, I guess or something.

1351
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,560
You gotta find a way to joke about it, you know,

1352
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:06,039
about how we're this insane species and it's et cetera.

1353
01:16:06,239 --> 01:16:07,800
I don't know, you know, we really are. We're just

1354
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:10,920
crazy monckies. We're barely into this consciousness thing. If we

1355
01:16:10,920 --> 01:16:13,880
were more into it, maybe we wouldn't be behaving like this,

1356
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,199
and so at the whims of our need for social

1357
01:16:17,239 --> 01:16:22,680
approval and validation and not wanting to break groupthink, but

1358
01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:26,640
or not to mention our our hoarding, our quest for

1359
01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:33,239
power and money, lowest common denominator shit. But it was

1360
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:34,920
a great fucking spot. So if you happen to be

1361
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:38,560
going through Pueblo, Colorado, Pueblo county'd be keep an eye

1362
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:42,239
out on the road south of south of Pueblo. There's

1363
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:44,920
some good shit there. It's worth stopping and fiddly fucking

1364
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,199
around and looking at some of the plants. There was

1365
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:50,640
croton too, probably just croton dia week as I forget

1366
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:56,439
which one. I was amazed the mushroom walk that we

1367
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:02,840
did in the mountains near what was it, Woodward wood

1368
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:08,359
Park Woodland Park, Colorado, northwest of Colorado Springs. The mushroom

1369
01:17:08,359 --> 01:17:12,000
walk there was lin Aia Vulgario's horrible invasive plant. It's

1370
01:17:12,039 --> 01:17:14,840
a snap dragon. It's a beautiful snap dragon. It was

1371
01:17:14,920 --> 01:17:17,880
really common. It was everywhere, easy to see. It's just

1372
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:22,239
an escapee from somebody's garden. But fuck it takes over man,

1373
01:17:22,920 --> 01:17:27,800
really bad invasive plant. Anyway, So when I was in

1374
01:17:28,039 --> 01:17:31,119
when I was in Colorado Spring still before I departed

1375
01:17:31,159 --> 01:17:34,560
and saw how the beautiful road cuts, the beautiful carri

1376
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:38,359
calcareous road sets. At Pueblo, I stopped at some what

1377
01:17:38,479 --> 01:17:40,960
is it natural grocer, one of those over those overpriced

1378
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:43,319
health food stores, but it was nice. Actually, it wasn't

1379
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:47,039
that overpriced, certainly better than sprouts. And I got like

1380
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,960
a fucking burrito and some some dog food and whatever

1381
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:52,479
the shit you know, you go, and they got like

1382
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:54,920
the there's like an old guy wearing tight eye behind

1383
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:59,319
a register and like a Caucasian girl with dreadlocks and

1384
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:01,279
the other regis, and it was, you know, it felt

1385
01:18:01,359 --> 01:18:03,760
very homey andsd I felt safe. I felt like I

1386
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,560
was I felt like I was, you know, protected, like

1387
01:18:06,600 --> 01:18:07,840
I wasn't gonna have to see it and he was

1388
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:09,760
gonna make me puke too much. I'd rather take those

1389
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,760
people than a lot of the shit that I see

1390
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:17,000
in modern American consumer society. I'll tell you anyway. The landscaping, though,

1391
01:18:17,119 --> 01:18:20,000
fucking club me in the head, you know. And again,

1392
01:18:20,079 --> 01:18:21,520
if you think this shit doesn't matter, if you think

1393
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,279
it's just landscaping, if it's it's literally the wallpaper of

1394
01:18:24,279 --> 01:18:27,880
the places you go, the shopping centers, the whatever, it's

1395
01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,079
the plants. That's the life you're exposed to when you

1396
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:34,000
have to be in human society. So it does affect you, right.

1397
01:18:34,079 --> 01:18:36,920
It's like if I hung a picture of like Ron

1398
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:40,880
DeSantis' butthole on my wall, you know, like a twenty

1399
01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:43,439
four x thirty six poster, and I had to look

1400
01:18:43,479 --> 01:18:45,760
at that every day like, oh, yeah, you say, it's

1401
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,479
just it's just you know, it's just wall decore. No,

1402
01:18:48,520 --> 01:18:51,800
it affects you subconsciously, you know what. I don't know

1403
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:53,800
what he does to it? What is he probably you know,

1404
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,479
shave it and bleach it whatever?

1405
01:18:55,640 --> 01:18:55,720
Speaker 3: For?

1406
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:57,159
Speaker 1: What are these rich fox What do they do to

1407
01:18:57,159 --> 01:18:59,199
their their buttle? What do they do to their anuses?

1408
01:18:59,319 --> 01:19:01,239
Their ani? Is that how you say you say A

1409
01:19:01,279 --> 01:19:03,640
and I? Is that plural? That's you think it doesn't

1410
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:06,439
affect you? It does it? Certainly? Does you think the

1411
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,560
billboards don't affect you? They affect me. They make me

1412
01:19:09,640 --> 01:19:13,079
bitter and angry. You know, I see some smiling prock

1413
01:19:13,359 --> 01:19:16,760
prick in a suit, smiling pruck smile. What is a

1414
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:19,000
It's like a combination within a prick and a fuck

1415
01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:22,600
that works or spricking a schmuck. I see some smiling

1416
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:25,840
pruck on a fucking billboard, you know, telling me that

1417
01:19:25,880 --> 01:19:28,439
he's gonna make me millions from the car crash that

1418
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,560
I'm gonna get into. Because you know, so many drivers,

1419
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:33,880
well everything's built for cars, and so many drivers are

1420
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,560
terrible at it. You know that affects me. I don't

1421
01:19:36,560 --> 01:19:39,880
want to see that. It's mental pollution. You fuck you

1422
01:19:39,880 --> 01:19:43,359
think it doesn't affect you. Huh, it's mental pollution. It's

1423
01:19:43,399 --> 01:19:44,920
why the part of the reason why the world is

1424
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:49,319
so rotten, the first world, the consumers to say, anyway,

1425
01:19:49,560 --> 01:19:52,039
here I go again. He's going, he's gone again, he's

1426
01:19:52,079 --> 01:19:56,239
starting again. God damn it. Take his meds. Anyway. So

1427
01:19:56,319 --> 01:19:58,119
I saw this landscaping, and they do this thing that

1428
01:19:58,159 --> 01:20:01,000
I've seen many places due to here. I've seen it

1429
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,920
in front of people's houses. You're like friends of mine

1430
01:20:04,039 --> 01:20:07,039
that rent, and it's it's you throw weed fabric on

1431
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:10,920
the ground, so you're wrapping the ground and polyester fibers

1432
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,880
and plastic fibers. Very good, very good for your health too,

1433
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,439
by the way, when you end up breathing them in

1434
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:19,079
and consuming them. And then you dump boulder do you

1435
01:20:19,199 --> 01:20:22,720
dump rocks and gravel, railroad ballast or maybe nicely tumbled

1436
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,359
river rocks on it, And it's it makes it look neat,

1437
01:20:26,960 --> 01:20:30,439
it's low maintenance, it's xer escaping. It's fucking terrible. It

1438
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:36,359
creates the heat island again because rocks heat up, and uh,

1439
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,760
you know, in the sun. Is anyone who's the rocks

1440
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:41,560
hold heat for a long time, all that thermal mask. It's,

1441
01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:43,640
you know, just like the same way water does, but

1442
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:46,159
rocks hold a lot more heat and they stay hot

1443
01:20:46,399 --> 01:20:48,159
late into the night and it looks like shit. And

1444
01:20:48,159 --> 01:20:50,600
then the weed fabric kills me. You know, so we

1445
01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,159
don't get any weeds because plants are messy. We don't

1446
01:20:54,159 --> 01:20:57,239
want any weeds it And this is what they had

1447
01:20:57,279 --> 01:20:59,039
in front of it was just some landscaping job. You

1448
01:20:59,039 --> 01:21:01,960
could tell I fucking hate landscapers. No offense. I'd say

1449
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,399
nine out of ten landscapers, I need to put a

1450
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:07,560
bag over their head. Hog tie them, put a bag

1451
01:21:07,560 --> 01:21:09,199
over their head, throw them in the back of the truck,

1452
01:21:09,279 --> 01:21:12,760
take them out to the desert, and don't hurt them.

1453
01:21:12,920 --> 01:21:16,039
Don't hurt them. We're gentle. But you dose them with

1454
01:21:16,119 --> 01:21:20,399
something of any kind of fucking psychedelic you know, it's

1455
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,399
reverse in doctrination, and you just say, what the fuck

1456
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,239
are you doing? And then you sit with them the

1457
01:21:25,279 --> 01:21:28,640
whole time. Well, they're tripping their balls off, right, I

1458
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:32,199
don't care. You's fucking acid. Give them some MDMA whatever something,

1459
01:21:32,279 --> 01:21:34,800
Ask why do you do this? You realize you're part

1460
01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:37,840
of the problem. You're creating this. It's all part of

1461
01:21:37,880 --> 01:21:42,079
the same machine designed to kill the human soul, designed

1462
01:21:42,359 --> 01:21:46,600
to kill the child within us, to make us fucking boring, droll,

1463
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:49,960
miserable shits who will just go to work and take

1464
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,920
the increasingly shittier jobs and increasingly lower pay and the

1465
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,399
lack of health care and all this shit. It's that

1466
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,760
you're part of the problem. You create these landscapes. Why

1467
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:03,199
do you do this right? And what's the alternative? Just

1468
01:22:03,239 --> 01:22:05,800
throwing some fucking native plants? Throwing some fucking native plants.

1469
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,039
It could all be the same goddamn thing. Plant the

1470
01:22:08,079 --> 01:22:12,159
whole thing with golden rod, because it is my allergy.

1471
01:22:12,279 --> 01:22:15,079
It doesn't affect your allergies. You knit wit only win.

1472
01:22:15,239 --> 01:22:19,119
Pollinated plants affect your allergies. Golden runs. The pollin vector

1473
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,720
is an insect. You fucking moron, goud He's getting still

1474
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:23,479
worked up? Why is he still worked out? This is

1475
01:22:23,479 --> 01:22:25,560
exactly why I can't listen to crime paids because the

1476
01:22:25,640 --> 01:22:29,039
language is abrasive. He's very abrasive. He's very toxic. He's

1477
01:22:29,079 --> 01:22:32,560
a big toxic man. How many people say that, I

1478
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:36,119
don't know some of the they're definitely Caucasian, they definitely

1479
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:38,079
average parents, and they definitely have spent too much time

1480
01:22:38,119 --> 01:22:41,279
in academia. Or they like going to those fancy dinner

1481
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:43,960
parties where they stuff each other's farts and they you know,

1482
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,600
I don't know, I don't know, but that's definitely out there.

1483
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,319
It's a flavor. It's not for all, and it's not

1484
01:22:48,359 --> 01:22:50,960
for them, and that's okay. Dose them too, fuck it,

1485
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:52,960
I don't care. Drag all these people out to the desert.

1486
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:55,760
Just have a massive dosing ceremony. Actually, don't do that,

1487
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,000
Hankey Shamans do that. And they charge three hundred dollars

1488
01:22:59,439 --> 01:23:04,000
a visit for that new age, New Age spiritual cleans,

1489
01:23:04,119 --> 01:23:07,159
a new Age spiritual colon cleans. What would that look like?

1490
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:11,920
They'd stick a metaphorical tube and your metaphorical ass and

1491
01:23:12,039 --> 01:23:14,920
clean out all the shit, right, how do they? I

1492
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,680
don't know. I don't know. The same people that have

1493
01:23:17,720 --> 01:23:20,319
dolphin impersonating fuck parties. I don't know. It's very weird.

1494
01:23:20,359 --> 01:23:23,000
There's some very fucking weirdos out there. They're products of

1495
01:23:23,039 --> 01:23:25,800
the culture too. It's not their fault. Everyone's a victim there.

1496
01:23:27,039 --> 01:23:29,880
But this stuff killed me. This landscaping job. It was

1497
01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:33,840
like a couple shrubs. Some were dead. They still had

1498
01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,239
to irrigate. They hit They had black tubing. It's al scorch.

1499
01:23:37,239 --> 01:23:40,319
They had black tubing in the ground. Hold on, hello,

1500
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,720
Oh he's in there.

1501
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:43,479
Speaker 4: He's on the one.

1502
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:46,279
Speaker 1: I got my got you. You're recording right, I'm recording

1503
01:23:46,279 --> 01:23:48,399
this podcast right now. We're doing it. Well, just I

1504
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:50,720
want to talk about this now anyway, tell everybody about

1505
01:23:50,720 --> 01:23:51,840
the tour we got going on.

1506
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna enjoy the Midwest and the great Prairie

1507
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:58,880
grasslands in the in the in the late of the summer.

1508
01:23:59,159 --> 01:24:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going every summer. Saint Paul on the twenty first,

1509
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:06,600
and then we're going to Now we're going to Omaha.

1510
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:09,279
One of the shows might be canceled. They got cold feet.

1511
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,119
We might move the twenty third to Lincoln.

1512
01:24:11,640 --> 01:24:12,560
Speaker 3: I just I just talked.

1513
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:13,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna know.

1514
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:15,560
Speaker 3: They're gonna do us in Lincoln over there.

1515
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:17,439
Speaker 5: What do you think?

1516
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,000
Speaker 4: Actually?

1517
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 3: I was actually called to ask you, are we having

1518
01:24:19,920 --> 01:24:21,439
this conversational life for real?

1519
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 4: Right Noweah?

1520
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're being recorded right now.

1521
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,239
Speaker 3: Here's a bathroom, here's don't.

1522
01:24:25,000 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 1: Say nothing incriminating. You're being you're being recorded.

1523
01:24:29,279 --> 01:24:31,239
Speaker 4: Uh, they said they understand.

1524
01:24:31,239 --> 01:24:33,359
Speaker 3: They they I think it's a good idea to do

1525
01:24:33,399 --> 01:24:35,640
it in Lincoln on the twenty third, Like they offered

1526
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:36,600
that that might be the move.

1527
01:24:36,720 --> 01:24:38,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, that might have been a good thing. They bring

1528
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:40,359
it to Lincoln. That lady didn't read my email yet.

1529
01:24:40,359 --> 01:24:43,640
I was kind of a twat in I apologize you

1530
01:24:43,720 --> 01:24:46,720
were sarcastic. I was just I was a little salty.

1531
01:24:46,760 --> 01:24:50,520
I was, you know, I don't know anyway, Yeah, Lincoln

1532
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,319
might be thinking, okay, cool, Well we'll get this link.

1533
01:24:52,359 --> 01:24:54,319
We got the link set up, the tour set up

1534
01:24:54,319 --> 01:24:55,960
on a crime page page.

1535
01:24:56,399 --> 01:24:59,560
Speaker 3: So yes, yeah, we were doing Milwaukee on the eighteenth too.

1536
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:02,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that'll be Yeah, that's gonna be fun. Milwaukee and

1537
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:06,520
eight we gotta find Iway shows, we gotta find iris

1538
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:09,199
shows where Nature Center and.

1539
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:12,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, Milwaukee on the eighteenth, and then Saint Paul banged

1540
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:16,840
brewing on the twenty first, right on the Sunday, September first,

1541
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:23,399
and then we're driving down to Omaha on the twenty second,

1542
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:26,279
and then we're being looks like it looks like tentitively

1543
01:25:26,720 --> 01:25:30,319
pentitively we'll be in Lincoln on the twenty third, and

1544
01:25:30,359 --> 01:25:32,640
in Kansas City on the twenty fourth.

1545
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:36,039
Speaker 1: Lincoln was where we hit that deer with the mini van. Right.

1546
01:25:36,159 --> 01:25:38,840
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, my friend, it.

1547
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,720
Speaker 1: Was twelve years ago.

1548
01:25:41,279 --> 01:25:43,119
Speaker 3: Shit, yeah, yeah, you saved the day.

1549
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,239
Speaker 1: Had a van. You had a van full of all

1550
01:25:46,279 --> 01:25:50,920
the resale clothing. That was amazing.

1551
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:51,800
Speaker 4: Jack.

1552
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 3: I remember driving the driving that advan because we took

1553
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,119
this like like northern route through Nevada and like stop

1554
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,720
at the hot springs and stuff, and we're just in

1555
01:26:01,800 --> 01:26:04,199
these old towns. But I remember throwing open the sliding

1556
01:26:04,279 --> 01:26:08,319
door of my two thousand Astro van. You know, actually

1557
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:10,359
I think it was a ninety five. Let me think

1558
01:26:10,399 --> 01:26:11,359
about it.

1559
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:13,319
Speaker 1: It was an older model. I think for sure. It

1560
01:26:13,359 --> 01:26:16,000
was a wonderful vehicle, though it was.

1561
01:26:16,079 --> 01:26:18,840
Speaker 3: We'd throw open the sliding door like the fucking teenage

1562
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:22,159
mutant Ninja Turtles party van, and Jack would run out

1563
01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:25,800
on these like back mountain roads and just clear the cattle.

1564
01:26:26,079 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 4: It was amazing.

1565
01:26:27,039 --> 01:26:27,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1566
01:26:27,359 --> 01:26:29,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, he used to be so good at that.

1567
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:32,199
He's still kicking. He's a little arthritic and has dementia,

1568
01:26:32,239 --> 01:26:35,760
but you know, he's still kicking. But anyway, I'm okay.

1569
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,720
We got to find shows for Iowa. If anyone out

1570
01:26:37,720 --> 01:26:40,119
there has shows for anywhere in Iowa. We're excited to

1571
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:40,680
come to you.

1572
01:26:41,359 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, we want to hang out.

1573
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:46,279
Speaker 1: Where do they get acid in Iowa? Where's the acid

1574
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:48,119
chefs in Iowa? You know there's some.

1575
01:26:49,640 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 3: He's in the he's doing lab work.

1576
01:26:52,479 --> 01:26:53,319
Speaker 4: It's what I heard.

1577
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:55,640
Speaker 1: So, But anyway, and then I think I'm gonna go

1578
01:26:55,680 --> 01:26:57,479
to I'm gonna try to do the Oklahoma City in

1579
01:26:57,520 --> 01:27:00,319
like the twenty seventh. I don't know if I yeah, yeah,

1580
01:27:00,840 --> 01:27:03,920
all right, it'll be a nice time. All right, Hey,

1581
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:05,880
thanks a lot for setting up the links. Man, I

1582
01:27:05,880 --> 01:27:08,159
really I owe you a solid you know, deep dish

1583
01:27:08,199 --> 01:27:10,439
on me. When I'm there. We'll go to Rico Benny's.

1584
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:13,199
Speaker 5: We'll go, we'll go, we'll go hang out and you.

1585
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:16,119
Speaker 3: Know, we'll stay at days In and do some resistance

1586
01:27:16,199 --> 01:27:17,359
band stuff together.

1587
01:27:17,640 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: It sounds great. That sounds great. And Rico Bene's in Chicago,

1588
01:27:21,039 --> 01:27:24,000
Rico Ben's, And tell Aboudy about Rico Benny's. Where is that?

1589
01:27:24,079 --> 01:27:25,720
At twenty second it's on Cermac.

1590
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:28,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's down under the highway. We're going to

1591
01:27:28,640 --> 01:27:29,439
Rico Bene's.

1592
01:27:30,119 --> 01:27:33,079
Speaker 1: I'm I'm buying. Well, I'm gonna fast before we go there.

1593
01:27:33,119 --> 01:27:33,720
So there's room.

1594
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:34,039
Speaker 4: You know.

1595
01:27:34,920 --> 01:27:37,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the that's the move. You know, you

1596
01:27:37,279 --> 01:27:40,159
could you just load up I do I try to

1597
01:27:40,239 --> 01:27:42,439
do you know, as much as you can that day

1598
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:44,039
before you go take a nice bike.

1599
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:47,119
Speaker 1: Right, I'll overeat, I'll overeat, and then I'll go puka

1600
01:27:47,119 --> 01:27:49,000
in the alley like a balliemic then I'll go back

1601
01:27:49,039 --> 01:27:49,800
in for round two.

1602
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:50,159
Speaker 2: You know.

1603
01:27:50,399 --> 01:27:51,800
Speaker 1: It's just fuck it.

1604
01:27:53,279 --> 01:27:56,399
Speaker 3: Like like the Roman Bacchan Knolls of old.

1605
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 1: All Right, okay, well, hey thanks, I'll call you back

1606
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:01,479
when this is done.

1607
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,079
Speaker 3: Okay, great, sounds good.

1608
01:28:03,119 --> 01:28:05,159
Speaker 4: I have a good I have a good time with everybody.

1609
01:28:05,279 --> 01:28:11,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, okay, all right, single bye thicker anyway,

1610
01:28:12,079 --> 01:28:15,720
So so yeah, this fucking that you playing the native

1611
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,319
plant the hole for the Colorado Springs landscape in front

1612
01:28:18,359 --> 01:28:19,800
of the national girls. Back to what we're talking about.

1613
01:28:20,199 --> 01:28:22,880
You just put the solidago in there, put something, a

1614
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:25,960
couple of key stuff. Oh but it's messy. It's messy

1615
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,239
and it's bright. When in this in the off season,

1616
01:28:28,279 --> 01:28:30,399
when everything dies, it's just a bunch of dead brown stems.

1617
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:34,039
Leave it. It's fine, it's see. That's the thing. It's like,

1618
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,279
there's no Some people do this where they're like, we

1619
01:28:37,359 --> 01:28:40,439
have to make it digestible for for the boomers and

1620
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:43,720
for the square community. We have to make it digestible

1621
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:45,720
so that they don't complain it doesn't look bad. No,

1622
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:48,199
I say, no, you need a whole fucking paradigm shift.

1623
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,399
Rearrange it from the top down. Stop thinking that dead

1624
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,479
brown stems in the winter are messy. That's that's what

1625
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:57,279
it's supposed to be there, That's what that's what nature is,

1626
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:59,560
you know, but no one knows because they never spent

1627
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:01,439
time in it. Because all the habit that's been cleared,

1628
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,840
and we live in this myopic human world where we're

1629
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,640
the most important thing on the planet. We own the land,

1630
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:12,239
and nothing else lives here. It's it's a fucking it's diseased.

1631
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,439
It's a diseased mindset. You need to stop rearranging from

1632
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:18,560
the top down. As long as there's no fire hazard,

1633
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:20,640
as long as people are getting smacked in a face

1634
01:29:20,640 --> 01:29:23,359
with branches and shit, don't worry about it, and you'll

1635
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:26,119
the light that comes back will blow your mind. But

1636
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:27,920
they could have just taken fuck, they could have taken

1637
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,760
a sleepy as Speciosa put it, all throughout that landscape

1638
01:29:32,399 --> 01:29:33,920
in front of this you know it's next to a

1639
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,760
parking lot. I mean it still looked like hell. It

1640
01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,359
was the American consumer landscape. It's just a giant heat

1641
01:29:38,399 --> 01:29:41,079
island of asphalt and concrete. But they could have put

1642
01:29:41,159 --> 01:29:43,359
milk weeds there and then, just just a bunch of

1643
01:29:43,399 --> 01:29:45,600
fucking milk weed tubers in the ground. It sprout up,

1644
01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:48,520
Get big stems of sleepy a speciosa mulch over it

1645
01:29:49,079 --> 01:29:51,399
and it'll look awesome, you know. And then some guy

1646
01:29:51,479 --> 01:29:53,840
comes on my Instagram. No offense to him, he says.

1647
01:29:54,279 --> 01:29:57,000
As a landscaping professional, I'll be the first to tell

1648
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,159
you the native plant, lative plant landscapes take lots of maintenance.

1649
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:03,960
Now they don't. What do you do? You get some hedges,

1650
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:07,119
get some hedges, get some hedges. You trim it up

1651
01:30:07,159 --> 01:30:10,359
for the squares and for code enforcement. You weed whack it,

1652
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:13,119
keep shit out of the paths. You don't create any

1653
01:30:13,199 --> 01:30:15,680
fire hazards by getting shit too close to buildings. If

1654
01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:18,119
it's a large tree or shrub, and then you just

1655
01:30:18,199 --> 01:30:21,159
fucking let it go. It doesn't take maintenance. You're telling

1656
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:24,079
me mowing a lawn once a week is it maintenance

1657
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:26,479
or dumping a bunch of what about when they want

1658
01:30:26,520 --> 01:30:28,399
to put something else in this landscape. Now they've got

1659
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:32,920
to move two metric tons of fucking what's essentially railroad

1660
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:36,159
ballast and then rip up all this polyester fiber. You're

1661
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:39,439
telling me that's not maintenance. That's like three days of work.

1662
01:30:40,119 --> 01:30:42,560
It looks like hell, and it looks like shit, and

1663
01:30:42,640 --> 01:30:45,359
stuff's dying anyway, and you still got to irrigate. I

1664
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:47,880
mean it just for it's for I live. Especially. The

1665
01:30:47,960 --> 01:30:50,319
concept of the heat island is insane. You want to

1666
01:30:50,399 --> 01:30:53,079
keep the sun off the ground. You want to keep

1667
01:30:53,119 --> 01:30:56,000
the sun off the ground, Stop charging up the heat battery,

1668
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:01,279
use fucking trees, shrubs, a thick prairie, whatever. But this diseased,

1669
01:31:01,319 --> 01:31:04,840
fucking mindset that says plants are messy and this is

1670
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,720
nice and neat has got to stop. It's fucking horrible.

1671
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,000
They do some feedix. They do it in Texas. It's

1672
01:31:10,039 --> 01:31:14,159
a shit for brained idea. It's not xero escaping x eri.

1673
01:31:14,439 --> 01:31:18,119
It's zero scaping ze r O. I think they do

1674
01:31:18,199 --> 01:31:22,279
it in Florida as well. God it fucking kills me though.

1675
01:31:22,439 --> 01:31:25,239
So it's so horrible, and it's just this avoid avoid

1676
01:31:25,319 --> 01:31:27,720
plants that all costs We only like them if they're

1677
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:31,079
neatly spaced out and uniform, and they don't look mesthy.

1678
01:31:31,159 --> 01:31:34,800
They're not methy. Look, you live in a fucking parking lot.

1679
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:38,680
All of America, where people live, is now a parking lot.

1680
01:31:38,760 --> 01:31:42,039
We're so dedicated and hoard out the cars. All of

1681
01:31:42,079 --> 01:31:45,000
America is a parking lot in a freeway. It already

1682
01:31:45,119 --> 01:31:48,680
looks like shit. It can't look any worse. The fucking

1683
01:31:48,760 --> 01:31:53,760
Dollar General, the fucking lou Boys, the fucking the AutoZone,

1684
01:31:53,800 --> 01:31:57,000
all the plastic signs. I mean, it can't look any

1685
01:31:57,039 --> 01:32:00,399
worse than that. What do you worry plants are, even

1686
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:03,800
if they're fucking invasive weeds from Europe? Araight, that still

1687
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,279
looks better than this shit. You already live in a

1688
01:32:07,359 --> 01:32:12,119
fucking concrete trd, a concrete and plastic turd. You already

1689
01:32:12,159 --> 01:32:15,399
have been alienated from the living world that supports you.

1690
01:32:16,359 --> 01:32:18,920
How what do you got to lose the fucking you know,

1691
01:32:19,079 --> 01:32:22,880
plant some fucking natives over there. It's gotta look messy.

1692
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:24,720
They take lots to maintenance. It's kind of like my

1693
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:26,439
shot out, Get the fuck out of here, Get out

1694
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:28,960
of here, go play fucking halo or what do they

1695
01:32:29,039 --> 01:32:32,680
do go play Call of Duty? You I made fun

1696
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:35,000
of video games. I got a bunch of young men

1697
01:32:35,279 --> 01:32:39,119
dming me in the comments. I said, hey, young man,

1698
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:41,960
we could just agree to disagree. It's okay. You know

1699
01:32:42,159 --> 01:32:45,119
you'll come around eventually. I'm not knocking all video games.

1700
01:32:45,119 --> 01:32:46,800
I'm just a lot of these games are set up.

1701
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,000
There's no moderation involved. There's set up so that you

1702
01:32:50,079 --> 01:32:52,039
have to devote three hundred hours to playing it and

1703
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,880
beating it. You know, it's not fucking tetris, so we

1704
01:32:54,920 --> 01:32:57,119
could play for ten minutes. Put it out, okay. Anyway,

1705
01:32:57,159 --> 01:33:00,319
speaking of Florida, let's call my friend Lily. See what

1706
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,399
she's got to say. Okay, hello, everybody, we're here with

1707
01:33:03,520 --> 01:33:07,279
Lily Anderson. And I said hello Lily, Hi, Okay, any

1708
01:33:07,359 --> 01:33:09,159
I got the soda stream. I had to go get

1709
01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,560
some water. I feel it's it's uh, these are fucking

1710
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:13,960
great and then you can refill them with the CO

1711
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:17,399
two tank. Anyway, we're here to talk about Lily's holding

1712
01:33:17,399 --> 01:33:20,640
a seminar on shit composting. Just kidding, that's me. I've

1713
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:22,680
been doing a shit compost thing. It works great with

1714
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,479
the pine shavings in a compost. Never mind, We'll talk

1715
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:27,720
about that some other time when we're off air. But

1716
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:31,279
uh uh, Lily works. You tell everybody your first you

1717
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,479
you were you work for the Native Florida Native Plant Society,

1718
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:39,439
and Florida has been going through some very scary public

1719
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:43,319
land grabs from some of the sleeves bag politicians there.

1720
01:33:43,319 --> 01:33:45,840
I mean, Florida really is it's like paradise lost in

1721
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:48,600
so many ways. It must have been gorgeous. You look

1722
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,079
at some of the paintings done in eighteen hundreds of

1723
01:33:51,159 --> 01:33:54,199
the landscape there beautiful, and then you look at it

1724
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:57,600
now and it's like the landscape I just described where

1725
01:33:57,680 --> 01:33:59,880
it's all. You know, it's a it couldn't get any

1726
01:34:01,239 --> 01:34:04,079
and I suppose it could get uglier. Never say never

1727
01:34:04,199 --> 01:34:07,239
with America, but you know, it definitely could. Yeah, they

1728
01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:09,600
could definitely. Okay, So what's been going on there in

1729
01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:12,359
terms of the public land crabs? Tell everybody about this.

1730
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:14,479
This is my people, mad Well.

1731
01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,600
Speaker 4: I mean, I think just in the last ten years,

1732
01:34:17,640 --> 01:34:21,640
but especially the last five years, we've just based unprecedented

1733
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:28,039
development pressure across all public and private lands. And you know,

1734
01:34:28,399 --> 01:34:32,439
the administration that's been in charge has been very friendly

1735
01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:37,000
to developers and it although it's not, you know, not

1736
01:34:38,359 --> 01:34:41,079
just one side of the islands, both sides of the island.

1737
01:34:41,800 --> 01:34:44,800
I do think that. You know, last year we had

1738
01:34:44,840 --> 01:34:50,920
a very a big success in fighting off development on

1739
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,880
our public lands, on our state parks. They wanted to

1740
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:59,039
and they they snuck it in really sneakily. They wanted

1741
01:34:59,119 --> 01:35:05,960
to put hotels, pickleball courts, golf courses, a bunch of

1742
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:09,199
amenities that are not in line with the mission of

1743
01:35:09,279 --> 01:35:13,319
state parks, and amenities that you can receive anywhere on

1744
01:35:13,439 --> 01:35:16,159
other on privately on lands in those areas.

1745
01:35:16,439 --> 01:35:20,399
Speaker 1: It's like, it's so sleazy it belongs in as Simpsons cartoon.

1746
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:23,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a joke. It's such a joke, right to go.

1747
01:35:24,039 --> 01:35:27,560
Nobody goes to a state park to play pickleball, you know,

1748
01:35:27,680 --> 01:35:28,600
there are so many.

1749
01:35:31,359 --> 01:35:32,279
Speaker 1: Like caddle ball.

1750
01:35:32,520 --> 01:35:34,880
Speaker 4: It's like a little paddle on a tennis court.

1751
01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: God, that's so fucking lame. Actually, maybe it could be cool.

1752
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,800
I shouldn't knock it. I shouldn't notocket. I'm just saying,

1753
01:35:40,479 --> 01:35:42,159
you know, I mean, I'm.

1754
01:35:41,680 --> 01:35:44,960
Speaker 4: All for people exercising and having fun and playing games,

1755
01:35:45,000 --> 01:35:48,840
but those are you go to private, you know, facilities

1756
01:35:49,000 --> 01:35:52,800
or public facilities on other and other areas not intact

1757
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:54,039
conservation lands.

1758
01:35:54,239 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: For that, we should mention the people doing this all

1759
01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:59,439
they're all like laminated faces. They're all like these fucking

1760
01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,319
disgusting pigs. That's me. This is I really go down

1761
01:36:02,319 --> 01:36:04,279
an orgy of hate with this. Like I was just

1762
01:36:04,319 --> 01:36:07,439
thinking about Ron DeSantis's butthole. You know, I don't know

1763
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,319
if he what kind of electrolysis treatment he does for

1764
01:36:10,399 --> 01:36:12,359
it or whatever, but I really want to, I really

1765
01:36:12,399 --> 01:36:14,600
want to get the full gamut of hating these people

1766
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:19,199
because what they stand for is so fucking disgusting. Ventriloquist

1767
01:36:19,359 --> 01:36:22,840
the motherfucker anyway, So these people, I mean, where did

1768
01:36:22,880 --> 01:36:24,960
this come from? Because this is kind of it's kind

1769
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,680
of insane. I mean, public are supposed to be public,

1770
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,000
and now they're coming for them. All over the country,

1771
01:36:31,159 --> 01:36:32,039
especially in Florida.

1772
01:36:33,239 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 4: Developers are mass they they have bought out our politicians.

1773
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:42,079
But I think citizens have been you know, asleep at

1774
01:36:42,119 --> 01:36:44,079
the wheel, and they're finally kind of waking up to

1775
01:36:44,199 --> 01:36:48,000
the fact that it doesn't matter which political party you

1776
01:36:48,159 --> 01:36:50,800
belong to. Both sides have been bought and paid for

1777
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:59,199
by industry and unfortunately, you know, when they make those

1778
01:36:59,279 --> 01:37:03,720
large contribus they have expectations. They're implicit expectations about what

1779
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:08,159
they were received in returns, sometimes very explicit expectations, and

1780
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:13,279
and and that, and that was definitely one of them,

1781
01:37:13,319 --> 01:37:16,319
but it was it was definitely just the process of

1782
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:18,760
how it happened. It was very clear that this was

1783
01:37:18,960 --> 01:37:22,680
promised to them and they were going to serve it

1784
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:28,159
up no matter what. Yeah, it's just straight up corruption, definitely.

1785
01:37:28,359 --> 01:37:30,880
I mean, it's straight up co correction all across Florida

1786
01:37:30,920 --> 01:37:35,399
because they're building, you know, these housing developments across Florida

1787
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,760
that are super cheaply made and that a lot of

1788
01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:39,079
them are in floodplains.

1789
01:37:39,319 --> 01:37:41,359
Speaker 1: I think because they know. I think that people building

1790
01:37:41,399 --> 01:37:43,960
them and the politicians know they're not going to be

1791
01:37:44,079 --> 01:37:46,239
there in fifty years, like most of.

1792
01:37:46,199 --> 01:37:52,000
Speaker 4: Them definitely smash and grab, smash and grab harvest as

1793
01:37:52,119 --> 01:37:54,479
much as they can. I mean, it's like a form

1794
01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:58,159
of money laundering. Even this new this construction is just

1795
01:37:58,319 --> 01:38:02,800
a way to to make a bunch of profit, rip

1796
01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,680
a bunch of profit off of what they can and

1797
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:11,319
they have, you know, they have they those housing developments

1798
01:38:11,359 --> 01:38:17,000
are not going to survive the massively strong and increasingly

1799
01:38:17,199 --> 01:38:19,720
frequent hurricanes that were now and they're.

1800
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:21,920
Speaker 1: They're they're built out of likes. I think they're all

1801
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,520
built out of fucking radiota pine that's probably grown in

1802
01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:27,960
Chile or New Zealand that itself knockdown beautiful, you know,

1803
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:32,399
intact diverse forest. It's all a fucking modern civilization. Really

1804
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,000
is kind of a Ponzi scheme.

1805
01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:35,560
Speaker 4: But it certainly is.

1806
01:38:35,680 --> 01:38:39,720
Speaker 1: But you see, you see these these neighborhoods, I see

1807
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:42,119
I got I would be on prescription opiate's if I

1808
01:38:42,199 --> 01:38:44,680
lived in them. It's fucking horrible. It's got to be so,

1809
01:38:45,159 --> 01:38:47,119
I know, dead on the inside.

1810
01:38:48,039 --> 01:38:52,039
Speaker 4: I think that's what That's what makes me, Yeah, further

1811
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:58,680
fueled disconnection from nature and uh disaffected, you know, hopeless,

1812
01:39:00,439 --> 01:39:05,520
you know, just depressed society. I mean there's nothing when

1813
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:09,399
you came down to Miami and like the the traffic

1814
01:39:09,520 --> 01:39:14,319
in Central and South Florida is literally drives you insane.

1815
01:39:14,399 --> 01:39:18,000
I don't know how anybody can maintain a sense of

1816
01:39:18,640 --> 01:39:23,479
spiritual fitness while living in places like that. You become

1817
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,479
angry or you become an angry person.

1818
01:39:26,600 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's terrible for you. Or physical fitness too, I

1819
01:39:29,079 --> 01:39:30,119
mean the way you get from.

1820
01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 4: A fitness and spiritual fitness effect your physical well.

1821
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:39,359
Speaker 1: I just think in a landscape that's so dominated by cars,

1822
01:39:39,399 --> 01:39:41,760
where it's not just a simple grid system, but it's

1823
01:39:41,880 --> 01:39:44,640
like curvy streets and all these fucked up they paint

1824
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,520
lines on the on the at these massive intersections to

1825
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,560
indicate where you go. It's just kind of a free

1826
01:39:49,680 --> 01:39:53,600
for all clusterfuck of asphalt. It's so dangerous to bike

1827
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,760
or walk that if you want any kind of exercise

1828
01:39:56,760 --> 01:39:58,640
you got to go to the fucking gym and listen

1829
01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:01,199
to the meatheads grunting as they drop weights and breathing

1830
01:40:01,279 --> 01:40:04,239
all the offcasting plastic from the machines, and listen to

1831
01:40:04,359 --> 01:40:07,760
shitty potman like it's you know, I can see how it's.

1832
01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:10,119
It's literally a trap. It is a trap. A lot

1833
01:40:10,199 --> 01:40:12,640
of people get stuck in this lifestyle. They grow up

1834
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:14,520
in it, and they don't know anything else, and this

1835
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:17,279
is the way it's supposed to be, and so it's

1836
01:40:17,359 --> 01:40:20,960
just what's and it's just what's handed to them on

1837
01:40:21,039 --> 01:40:23,319
a plate. It's just what's what's dolloped on the plate

1838
01:40:23,359 --> 01:40:24,920
in front of them. Now, fucking eat it and be

1839
01:40:25,000 --> 01:40:27,520
a good boy or good girl and just go along

1840
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:29,439
with it. And then you know, thirty or forty years

1841
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:32,079
into it, their fucking life is falling apart. They're depressed,

1842
01:40:32,079 --> 01:40:35,840
they're anxious. Maybe they're making money, but they hate themselves

1843
01:40:36,399 --> 01:40:38,560
and their life. And it's it's there's you know, the

1844
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,640
it's a carrot on a stick existence. There's no fulfillment,

1845
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,760
and so the only thing to go for is chasing

1846
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,640
money and shiny objects and all this stupid shit that

1847
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:50,039
on leaves you more feeling more empty and around more

1848
01:40:50,159 --> 01:40:54,720
phony increasingly phonier people. It yeah, seems to I think.

1849
01:40:55,720 --> 01:40:58,880
Speaker 4: I think one of my main missions in life is

1850
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:01,560
to remind people that we do not have to live

1851
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:04,880
this way, that this is not life does not have

1852
01:41:05,039 --> 01:41:10,000
to be this miserable, and we are intended to lead

1853
01:41:10,039 --> 01:41:15,279
a happy, free, joyous existence in connection with nature, and

1854
01:41:15,399 --> 01:41:18,520
that that life is possible. And I think people are

1855
01:41:18,600 --> 01:41:24,760
beginning to awaken to the realization that that is the case,

1856
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:28,239
and that they have much more power than they previously thought.

1857
01:41:28,439 --> 01:41:33,880
It's just we've been so indoctrinated to be to accept

1858
01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:37,079
our powerlessness and to think that we can't do anything.

1859
01:41:38,079 --> 01:41:40,600
But I mean, even like a friend of mine is

1860
01:41:40,720 --> 01:41:44,960
running for city commissioner and because I mean, I just

1861
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:52,279
left an FWC Advisory Group panel about a wildlife management area,

1862
01:41:52,399 --> 01:41:56,079
and it's basically they get feedback from stakeholders as to

1863
01:41:57,399 --> 01:42:00,479
how to manage this land, what are the prior athorities

1864
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,680
that stakeholders have for how the land is managed. And

1865
01:42:03,760 --> 01:42:07,199
like the city commissioner there, there are usually city and

1866
01:42:07,279 --> 01:42:12,840
county commissioners that attend, and often, you know, often those

1867
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:18,279
commissioners are developers or in bend with development in some way.

1868
01:42:19,159 --> 01:42:23,079
And I was surprised that at this one the commissioner

1869
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:26,399
was very much not so. And he was talking about

1870
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:31,880
developmental pressure and his concerns because this a Senate bill

1871
01:42:32,039 --> 01:42:35,359
was just passed recently, Senate Bill one eighty, which hands

1872
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:42,560
strings local governments from preventing development in their area. That

1873
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:46,319
it changes a lot of laws that make it harder

1874
01:42:46,399 --> 01:42:49,920
for them to resist development.

1875
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:52,439
Speaker 1: So they're like trying to eliminate any resistance.

1876
01:42:54,039 --> 01:42:56,760
Speaker 4: But but you know, at least this guy is doing something.

1877
01:42:56,840 --> 01:42:59,439
At least this guy has realized, oh, I can do something.

1878
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,640
I can least the kind of a county commissioner to

1879
01:43:01,680 --> 01:43:05,359
show up and do something rather than just sitting back

1880
01:43:05,439 --> 01:43:08,239
and letting these people who are you know, raping and

1881
01:43:08,319 --> 01:43:10,920
pillaging to have their way with them.

1882
01:43:11,399 --> 01:43:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, the development thing is crazy, Like I can't

1883
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:18,279
imagine that being someone's job. Like your job is just

1884
01:43:18,359 --> 01:43:21,520
to build all these shitty buildings everywhere, and you suppot

1885
01:43:21,560 --> 01:43:24,319
to find meaning and that's like that's like trying to

1886
01:43:24,359 --> 01:43:28,119
find meaning in something like family law or like, you know,

1887
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:31,159
lawyers especially have it hard. I think, well, they don't,

1888
01:43:31,159 --> 01:43:34,159
they choose it. Fuck them, But you know what I mean, Yeah,

1889
01:43:34,279 --> 01:43:35,800
a lot of like if you're not working in like

1890
01:43:35,880 --> 01:43:38,439
criminal defense, you know, if you're working on like real estate, larks,

1891
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:43,039
like everything you're studying is fake. It's all bullshit. It's

1892
01:43:43,079 --> 01:43:46,199
like man made stuff. And that's what I just it

1893
01:43:46,319 --> 01:43:48,680
seems so passionless. So I guess that's why they'll just

1894
01:43:48,840 --> 01:43:51,920
end up going for money. That's the the means is,

1895
01:43:53,039 --> 01:43:55,359
it's just a means to an end. But the development

1896
01:43:55,399 --> 01:43:57,640
thing especially, and that's the thing is like Florida is

1897
01:43:57,880 --> 01:44:00,439
there's been so much development there already. What do they

1898
01:44:00,479 --> 01:44:02,399
have left? I guess that's why they're coming from the public,

1899
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:03,479
very little left.

1900
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:07,279
Speaker 4: And I think that is why it's really beginning to

1901
01:44:08,399 --> 01:44:11,680
the citizenry is beginning to wake up and not buy

1902
01:44:12,199 --> 01:44:14,720
you know, just because my political party is in charge,

1903
01:44:15,479 --> 01:44:18,159
I'm still going to have to defend public lands because

1904
01:44:19,319 --> 01:44:24,359
we're beginning to see that, you know, regardless of whether

1905
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:26,920
you approve of whatever or you voted for whoever, like,

1906
01:44:27,239 --> 01:44:31,600
there is going to be unprecedented pressure on our public

1907
01:44:31,680 --> 01:44:37,840
lands to be developed, and if we don't all unite

1908
01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,680
and stand up for them together, then we're going to

1909
01:44:40,760 --> 01:44:44,520
lose them. And I think many people are beginning to realize,

1910
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:47,720
or they already realize, you know, their little plot of

1911
01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:51,399
public land near them, how important it is to them.

1912
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 1: And I think, really quick me, that's the thing is

1913
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:01,600
like a lot of right wingers, obviously, especially in the Southeast,

1914
01:45:01,680 --> 01:45:04,119
where it's just tradition, it's just culture, it's just what

1915
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:06,000
you do, and that's the way people think. They're just like, oh,

1916
01:45:06,199 --> 01:45:07,800
everyone around me thinks it's right, so I'm gonna go

1917
01:45:07,880 --> 01:45:11,760
with that. They just take Again, it's mostly for ideology.

1918
01:45:11,840 --> 01:45:14,720
It's mostly just people taking what's put on the plane

1919
01:45:14,720 --> 01:45:17,560
in front of them. There's very little independent, critical thinking.

1920
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,079
Speaker 4: And they think that they can vote for who they right,

1921
01:45:20,199 --> 01:45:22,680
they like, then they can sit back and trust that

1922
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:27,760
they'll have their best interest at heart, and they don't well.

1923
01:45:27,640 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 1: A lot of right wing I think a lot of

1924
01:45:29,039 --> 01:45:31,439
people that vote for all this right wing bullshit, they don't,

1925
01:45:31,479 --> 01:45:32,680
you know, it's just what's put on the plane in

1926
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:34,680
front of them. And they also get duped like that's

1927
01:45:35,319 --> 01:45:38,680
I think that's the failure of woke identity politics the

1928
01:45:38,800 --> 01:45:41,560
last ten fifteen years, is that it came from such

1929
01:45:41,600 --> 01:45:44,720
a fucking elitist place in a way, like namely the

1930
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:48,079
halls of academia. It kind of abandoned the working class,

1931
01:45:48,279 --> 01:45:50,840
and so it further pushed people that might not have

1932
01:45:52,039 --> 01:45:55,000
fallen for the right wing bullshit so easily. It pushes

1933
01:45:55,039 --> 01:45:57,000
them farther to the right, and they're like, well, these

1934
01:45:57,039 --> 01:45:59,039
people are talking about all this shit. I understand, they're

1935
01:45:59,039 --> 01:46:01,159
talking down to me and Tom, I'm tell me, I'm terrible.

1936
01:46:01,279 --> 01:46:04,119
So I'm gonna vote Trump and it's gonna make things better.

1937
01:46:04,520 --> 01:46:07,000
And so the right wings able to rebrand itself is

1938
01:46:07,119 --> 01:46:10,720
like the the rebellious party, Like there's somehow the rebels,

1939
01:46:11,119 --> 01:46:14,520
you know, like they're not like the corporate shills and

1940
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:18,840
the police state authoritarians. They're somehow the rebels and they're

1941
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,239
on the side of the people. And that's what you're

1942
01:46:21,279 --> 01:46:23,680
talking about. People are finally starting to see through this

1943
01:46:24,399 --> 01:46:26,840
that it's bullshit. And I'm not saying like the Democrats

1944
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:30,039
aren't owned. I mean everyone's owned by corporations. I'm just saying,

1945
01:46:30,920 --> 01:46:35,079
you know, the right was. It's amazing the pr job

1946
01:46:35,119 --> 01:46:37,159
they've been able to do for themselves and how much

1947
01:46:37,239 --> 01:46:42,079
it contradicts reality like they are, I would say almost

1948
01:46:42,119 --> 01:46:46,199
more than the Democrats, the Party of corporatism, like the

1949
01:46:46,279 --> 01:46:49,399
party that's gonna fuck you, the party that's gonna fuck

1950
01:46:49,399 --> 01:46:53,680
you in the art. Yeah, I mean it's again all

1951
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:56,920
this like that Mike Lee guy, all these fucking pigs

1952
01:46:57,079 --> 01:47:01,279
like they oh god, they're so fucking they're such villains man.

1953
01:47:01,399 --> 01:47:04,720
And then yeah, I don't know, I don't know anyway

1954
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,399
with Christy Who's who's the Pam BONDI She's from Florida, right.

1955
01:47:08,760 --> 01:47:10,720
Speaker 4: Yep, she's she used to be our attorney too.

1956
01:47:10,880 --> 01:47:14,079
Speaker 1: She looks like the fucking alien and drag from Mars attacks.

1957
01:47:14,399 --> 01:47:18,399
You know what, the fucking it's amazing. Rick Scott too,

1958
01:47:18,520 --> 01:47:24,640
that guy's a fucking pig. I mean, yeah, my god,

1959
01:47:25,239 --> 01:47:27,439
what was Rick Scott was involved in some sort of

1960
01:47:27,520 --> 01:47:28,760
development scheme.

1961
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 4: Right, medicare fraud?

1962
01:47:31,720 --> 01:47:32,399
Speaker 1: What was he doing?

1963
01:47:32,520 --> 01:47:32,720
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1964
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:39,079
Speaker 4: Through nursing homes. He was frauding, defrauding medicare with he

1965
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:42,560
had like a whole bunch of nursing homes that he owned,

1966
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:46,199
and it was the largest medicare fraud in history.

1967
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:47,840
Speaker 1: How did he get off.

1968
01:47:50,239 --> 01:47:53,640
Speaker 4: Paying some fine or something? You know, he was rich

1969
01:47:53,680 --> 01:47:56,439
and so he got off and then he used that

1970
01:47:56,560 --> 01:48:00,680
money to run for governor in one God, she's said

1971
01:48:00,720 --> 01:48:02,960
in the most I think that was his campaign was

1972
01:48:02,960 --> 01:48:05,880
the most expensive campaign for governor. And you know, that's

1973
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:10,399
what has happened. We've reached this point where you know,

1974
01:48:11,840 --> 01:48:16,199
our political seats are bought and sold, and the people

1975
01:48:16,359 --> 01:48:19,560
that have more money are the more soulless and the

1976
01:48:19,680 --> 01:48:22,920
more despicable and the more you know, corrupt.

1977
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:26,800
Speaker 1: Yeah. I called a friend of mine today and she's like,

1978
01:48:27,159 --> 01:48:30,199
she's like seventy seventy five and she picks up. She's like, hi, Joey,

1979
01:48:30,279 --> 01:48:34,399
I was just talking about fascist laughing, And so I'm

1980
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:35,840
like what, You're like, oh yeah, I mean you could

1981
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,640
tell she already. You know, she knows she's got like

1982
01:48:37,680 --> 01:48:40,039
a decade left. Maybe she doesn't give a fuck. She's

1983
01:48:40,159 --> 01:48:42,119
just like in that George Carl And I'm just here

1984
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:45,119
for the rest of the show. But she was talking

1985
01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:49,359
about that, and she's, you know, we just we just

1986
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:54,199
got to talking about the and so anyway, I was,

1987
01:48:54,359 --> 01:48:56,640
I was talking to her, and you know, we got

1988
01:48:56,720 --> 01:48:58,199
to talk about just the state of things, and I

1989
01:48:58,319 --> 01:49:00,600
was like, it's never getting better here. She's like, this

1990
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:04,800
is like the country's banana republic time. It's going to

1991
01:49:04,840 --> 01:49:08,239
be like this, you know, for the indefinite future, at

1992
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:10,960
least for the next couple of decades. Like the you think,

1993
01:49:11,039 --> 01:49:14,119
like the Supreme courts that are going to reverse Citizens United.

1994
01:49:14,760 --> 01:49:16,359
You think like we're ever going to have health care

1995
01:49:16,479 --> 01:49:19,119
like anyone that got any politician that got into power

1996
01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:21,960
and try to put in like a public universal health

1997
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,399
care option would be capped immediately because it's going to

1998
01:49:24,399 --> 01:49:27,159
annihilate an entire industry. You think the owners of this

1999
01:49:27,239 --> 01:49:29,119
country are going to let that happen, Like that's never

2000
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:33,239
you know, I just I don't know. So she's like,

2001
01:49:33,319 --> 01:49:34,560
you know, well, where are you gonna go? I'm like,

2002
01:49:34,760 --> 01:49:36,840
I'll probably you know, keep a home base here and

2003
01:49:37,039 --> 01:49:38,680
just you know, make sure I get out enough and

2004
01:49:38,800 --> 01:49:42,439
maybe you know, eventually, you know, just be searching for

2005
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:45,399
where I want to go to in the next ten

2006
01:49:45,520 --> 01:49:47,239
years and she was like, well, what about Canada, And

2007
01:49:47,239 --> 01:49:49,159
I was like, Canada is like the same fucking thing.

2008
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:51,399
It's just America light, you know, like yeah, you got

2009
01:49:51,479 --> 01:49:54,239
health care, but like people there, there's people there that

2010
01:49:54,520 --> 01:49:57,159
want to be the US, like they want Trump to

2011
01:49:57,279 --> 01:50:00,920
take take Canada like this, say, stupid shit.

2012
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:04,600
Speaker 4: Is all over the world. The rise of authoritarian regimes

2013
01:50:04,880 --> 01:50:08,359
are it's cristine and populism.

2014
01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:09,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what that comes from. I don't know

2015
01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:13,399
if it's just this human be a sycophant and follow

2016
01:50:13,600 --> 01:50:15,680
and then of course the sociopaths always make it to

2017
01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:17,560
the top because that's what they want. They want power

2018
01:50:17,640 --> 01:50:20,159
and money. I don't know, but I.

2019
01:50:20,199 --> 01:50:23,199
Speaker 4: Mean, I do think it's a natural result of capitalism.

2020
01:50:23,279 --> 01:50:27,520
But I also think it is partially because we are

2021
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:31,520
reaching this apex with climate change and there is increasing

2022
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:37,760
chaos insecurity, fear, you know, and those types of regimes

2023
01:50:38,119 --> 01:50:40,840
you know, feed off of off of things like that.

2024
01:50:41,439 --> 01:50:43,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, because they why, because they're so good at pretending

2025
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:44,560
to be in power.

2026
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:47,840
Speaker 4: They come in and pretend to be the big, strong

2027
01:50:47,960 --> 01:50:50,319
daddy that's going to beat down any bad things that

2028
01:50:50,439 --> 01:50:53,800
happen that might approach. But you're not going to beat

2029
01:50:53,880 --> 01:50:54,720
down mother nature.

2030
01:50:55,079 --> 01:50:57,600
Speaker 1: That is kind of the archetype human condition. I guess,

2031
01:50:57,840 --> 01:50:59,880
you know, it's like some big dumb chimp comes in

2032
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,680
and bangs a stick on the ground and everyone's Okay, yeah,

2033
01:51:03,159 --> 01:51:05,119
it's good, we'll follow this guy. It seems like you

2034
01:51:05,159 --> 01:51:07,560
know what you do. It's I hope we make it.

2035
01:51:07,960 --> 01:51:11,199
I hope we enlighten as a as a species past

2036
01:51:11,279 --> 01:51:12,680
that one day. I guess it takes culture.

2037
01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:13,640
Speaker 4: I think I have.

2038
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:17,279
Speaker 1: I believe we will, just might take a very long time,

2039
01:51:17,319 --> 01:51:19,399
and it might be very rocky and bumpy a long way. Okay.

2040
01:51:19,399 --> 01:51:23,600
So anyway, So what's the status now with with public

2041
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:26,720
land being up for sale because the state Parks initiative

2042
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:27,800
was defeated last year.

2043
01:51:28,359 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, we defeated that, but I think that kind of

2044
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:34,359
woke people up and they're beginning to take notice of

2045
01:51:34,479 --> 01:51:38,760
a lot more of the public land, the corruption, the

2046
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,159
dealings of developers that is happening on both public and

2047
01:51:44,239 --> 01:51:47,640
private lands in Florida. And so there has been this resurgence.

2048
01:51:47,720 --> 01:51:50,680
And I was joking, I mean, because I feel like

2049
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:55,119
we need conservation needs to be bipartisan, and I do

2050
01:51:55,319 --> 01:51:59,640
think that it is. It is, you know, a topic

2051
01:51:59,680 --> 01:52:03,119
that is lifting the wool from the eyes of the veil,

2052
01:52:03,199 --> 01:52:05,920
from the eyes of so many people on both the

2053
01:52:06,039 --> 01:52:09,119
left and the right, that our politicians do not have

2054
01:52:09,239 --> 01:52:11,960
their best interests in mind because of this, how corrupt

2055
01:52:11,960 --> 01:52:16,159
this system is, and just that the people in power

2056
01:52:16,239 --> 01:52:18,439
are the people who have realized that they can get

2057
01:52:18,479 --> 01:52:24,079
their way if they hold a seat in political political office,

2058
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:28,119
so they're the ones that do it and not the

2059
01:52:28,199 --> 01:52:31,119
people who have real integrity, morals and values. And that

2060
01:52:31,239 --> 01:52:34,399
we need more people with real integrity, morals and values

2061
01:52:34,439 --> 01:52:38,239
showing up to our commission meetings and running for local

2062
01:52:38,319 --> 01:52:42,600
and state offices. But also we just need more of

2063
01:52:42,680 --> 01:52:47,960
those people paying attention and showing up and speaking up

2064
01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:53,760
when stuff like this happens. That I was joking with

2065
01:52:55,239 --> 01:52:57,560
a friend of mine and I was like, we should

2066
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:01,760
start a new political party, the Florida Panther Party and

2067
01:53:01,960 --> 01:53:05,920
have like that, you know that old black panther UH

2068
01:53:06,880 --> 01:53:10,800
poster that had like the panther and it said it

2069
01:53:10,880 --> 01:53:15,760
should say protect public lands by any means necessary. Yeah,

2070
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,640
And I because I feel like we're getting to this

2071
01:53:18,800 --> 01:53:21,520
point where, you know, there have been such massive cuts

2072
01:53:21,560 --> 01:53:25,319
on the federal level for land management as well, like

2073
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:30,079
if our lands don't burn fire. Florida is a fire

2074
01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:36,920
dependent ecosystems that the majority of ours of Florida, the

2075
01:53:37,000 --> 01:53:40,720
majority of the lands here were burning on a almost

2076
01:53:40,920 --> 01:53:41,600
yearly based.

2077
01:53:41,640 --> 01:53:43,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, with the amount of rainfall you guys get,

2078
01:53:43,920 --> 01:53:46,640
ship grows so fast it's gotta burn. You know, you

2079
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:48,920
can only reach a tipping point when there's too much.

2080
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:51,279
Speaker 4: We have the amounts of storms we have, we have

2081
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,279
the really high rates of lightning as well, which we're

2082
01:53:54,439 --> 01:53:59,880
starting fires. And you know, if if you know, the

2083
01:54:00,039 --> 01:54:03,239
if this state is not able to manage our lands,

2084
01:54:03,279 --> 01:54:05,680
then it's going to be I think it should be

2085
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:08,720
we should do it, we can do it. I think

2086
01:54:09,039 --> 01:54:11,760
we need to be thinking outside of the box and

2087
01:54:11,960 --> 01:54:15,720
understanding that we do have power, we can do more

2088
01:54:16,039 --> 01:54:20,119
than what and that we just have to assert that

2089
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:21,479
in many ways.

2090
01:54:21,680 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but you need an intelligent populace the term

2091
01:54:25,920 --> 01:54:30,840
right to run, to run ship yourself, you need intelligent populace.

2092
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:33,840
And that is where I mean all this shit, it

2093
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:37,800
makes sense what they're doing defunding education and also defunding

2094
01:54:38,840 --> 01:54:41,600
the agencies that are in charge of public lands and

2095
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:42,479
all this shit.

2096
01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:45,880
Speaker 4: It's like just putting developers on the boards.

2097
01:54:48,840 --> 01:54:53,239
Speaker 1: It's so fucking dirty, man, it's so dirty. Like developed,

2098
01:54:53,239 --> 01:54:56,239
there should be a law that bars developers from having

2099
01:54:56,399 --> 01:55:00,720
any connection at all to state, to God like that

2100
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:06,880
just clear separation, so any in barring any influence, you know. Yeah,

2101
01:55:07,079 --> 01:55:09,439
or make it harder for them at least, you know,

2102
01:55:09,600 --> 01:55:11,399
make it much harder. They're still going to be coming

2103
01:55:11,479 --> 01:55:14,800
for it, but make it harder. So yeah, it's sad.

2104
01:55:14,920 --> 01:55:16,920
It's fucking crazy. I saw that. I don't know, man,

2105
01:55:16,960 --> 01:55:21,600
I I it's again. I think, uh, you know, who

2106
01:55:21,720 --> 01:55:23,319
was I talking to? Somebody was telling me like someone

2107
01:55:23,439 --> 01:55:27,159
they've got some investor circle and people are talking about

2108
01:55:27,279 --> 01:55:30,199
like it was. I think it was a friend of

2109
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:32,560
mine who was saying that he drank with He said

2110
01:55:32,680 --> 01:55:34,960
he was like drinking. There's some like bar he goes to,

2111
01:55:35,079 --> 01:55:36,800
and he was talking to some guy who's a fucking

2112
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:40,079
investor who he, you know, would have no contact with otherwise,

2113
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:42,880
like doesn't they're just live in different worlds. And the

2114
01:55:43,239 --> 01:55:44,680
this guy was telling him, like, you know, a lot

2115
01:55:44,720 --> 01:55:48,159
of like his investor friends aren't even putting money into

2116
01:55:48,279 --> 01:55:53,399
large projects in any of the more humid Gulf Coast states, uh,

2117
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:57,720
you know, from Houston East basically because the hurricane intensities

2118
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:01,119
is going to be so intense and it's it's too volatile,

2119
01:56:01,359 --> 01:56:02,239
and it's going to be.

2120
01:56:04,439 --> 01:56:07,359
Speaker 4: That is reflected in the housing market right now. We

2121
01:56:07,479 --> 01:56:09,680
have one of the worst housing markets in the nation.

2122
01:56:10,359 --> 01:56:16,840
It's terrible and yet and yet uh, nobody's buying houses here.

2123
01:56:17,319 --> 01:56:21,079
Everybody's leaving. There are multiple reasons for that, but one

2124
01:56:21,079 --> 01:56:24,640
of the big ones it's the storms, but also the

2125
01:56:24,720 --> 01:56:29,000
Santa's deregulated the insurance industry, so a bunch of insurers

2126
01:56:29,279 --> 01:56:32,560
then pulled out because it's not a profitable place for

2127
01:56:32,720 --> 01:56:35,600
them to be and they were only being held here

2128
01:56:35,720 --> 01:56:40,520
by regulation. So the prices went up astronomically for home

2129
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:44,199
insurance and then some of a lot of them, several

2130
01:56:44,279 --> 01:56:48,079
of them just pulled out of the state entirely because

2131
01:56:48,560 --> 01:56:52,279
the reality is that if we don't stop burning fossil fuels,

2132
01:56:53,119 --> 01:56:57,000
we will get stronger and more frequent hurricanes to the

2133
01:56:57,239 --> 01:57:01,800
likes of which we couldnot even comprehend. And like Hurricane Michael,

2134
01:57:02,159 --> 01:57:06,920
really change really opened my mind to the future of

2135
01:57:07,199 --> 01:57:11,279
what Florida could be if we don't do anything. Because

2136
01:57:12,039 --> 01:57:17,359
it used to be that hurricanes could not maintain their strength,

2137
01:57:17,479 --> 01:57:22,119
their wind strength so far inland, but because the Gulf

2138
01:57:22,199 --> 01:57:24,319
of Mexico is warming.

2139
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:25,880
Speaker 1: Energy.

2140
01:57:27,680 --> 01:57:30,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, the energy, it's like, provides like a battery pack

2141
01:57:30,800 --> 01:57:34,000
to these storms and they get bigger and they are

2142
01:57:34,119 --> 01:57:38,319
strong enough to maintain their strength so far inland. Like

2143
01:57:39,119 --> 01:57:45,920
so far, it's there will become a time when the

2144
01:57:46,239 --> 01:57:49,840
entire Gulf coast is uninhabitable because we won't be able

2145
01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:54,920
to rebuild fast enough. And insurers know that. Insurers believe

2146
01:57:54,960 --> 01:57:59,199
in climate change, they know, but unfortunately.

2147
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,199
Speaker 1: Climate it's so it's crazy to me too that like,

2148
01:58:01,319 --> 01:58:04,680
this is a this has become so well, so efficiently

2149
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:08,880
politicized that people are able to deny what's right in

2150
01:58:08,960 --> 01:58:11,760
front of them and what's happening. To anyone who's over

2151
01:58:11,800 --> 01:58:15,079
the age of twenty and has seen it happen, you know,

2152
01:58:15,119 --> 01:58:17,760
they're able to deny it. And it's like, I mean,

2153
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:19,880
the logic for anyone to be like, oh, yeah, the

2154
01:58:20,079 --> 01:58:23,880
oil companies have invested interest in denying this, uh so,

2155
01:58:25,039 --> 01:58:28,800
uh so this is obviously bullshit. We can see it happening.

2156
01:58:28,920 --> 01:58:31,399
Like who's got if you're on the scale, who's got

2157
01:58:31,439 --> 01:58:34,319
more of a propensity and reason to lie these nerdy

2158
01:58:34,399 --> 01:58:36,439
scientists or to oil companies.

2159
01:58:36,920 --> 01:58:39,760
Speaker 2: Oh, the oil companies are protecting this. You know, they've

2160
01:58:39,800 --> 01:58:41,920
got our best interests at heart. They're the ones that

2161
01:58:41,960 --> 01:58:46,119
are trying to to keep things, to keep humanity together.

2162
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:49,399
Like what like it's it's again, that too, is like

2163
01:58:49,479 --> 01:58:50,119
what the fuck?

2164
01:58:50,239 --> 01:58:50,399
Speaker 5: Man?

2165
01:58:50,520 --> 01:58:53,079
Speaker 1: Like, how do you get people that's dumb? How do

2166
01:58:53,159 --> 01:58:55,640
you convince them it's wild?

2167
01:58:55,840 --> 01:59:00,079
Speaker 4: You deny them a good education and make them miser.

2168
01:59:00,880 --> 01:59:03,199
Speaker 1: And I think it's yeah, it's all culture too, like

2169
01:59:03,399 --> 01:59:04,840
those I think a lot of those people.

2170
01:59:05,000 --> 01:59:07,359
Speaker 4: Culture is designed to make us.

2171
01:59:08,399 --> 01:59:11,680
Speaker 1: But also well, well no, I'm just talking about the

2172
01:59:11,720 --> 01:59:14,239
way culture works. It's like you step out of line

2173
01:59:14,319 --> 01:59:19,119
and go against the ideology espoused by your culture, you're

2174
01:59:19,159 --> 01:59:21,880
gonna get you're gonna turn heads, and you're gonna be ostracized,

2175
01:59:21,880 --> 01:59:24,960
whether it's left or right. And so if you start saying, oh,

2176
01:59:25,039 --> 01:59:28,560
climate change is happening, people, you know, the people at

2177
01:59:28,600 --> 01:59:30,760
the fucking bar with you wherever are going to start saying,

2178
01:59:30,800 --> 01:59:34,279
oh this is you know, they're gonna call you a

2179
01:59:34,319 --> 01:59:37,680
pussy or you know whatever, liberal libtard whatever, Like it's

2180
01:59:38,119 --> 01:59:41,239
it's crazy, I mean. And so there's there's there's a

2181
01:59:41,359 --> 01:59:45,159
social reward and punishment system for going against it, And

2182
01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:47,479
I think that's what the same thing why I think

2183
01:59:47,479 --> 01:59:49,560
a lot of people voted for Trump even though he's

2184
01:59:49,560 --> 01:59:53,079
like an obvious shit bags. People know that they would

2185
01:59:53,119 --> 01:59:55,039
be looked down on if they vote for or like

2186
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:58,000
why a lot of progressives like come on, Kamala Harris sucked,

2187
01:59:58,000 --> 02:00:00,840
but like a lot of especially like young Rezuomers probably

2188
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:02,479
were like, I'm not going to vote for her because

2189
02:00:02,520 --> 02:00:04,720
that would that, you know, I'll get looked down on

2190
02:00:04,840 --> 02:00:07,199
by my group, even though it's basically a last ditch

2191
02:00:07,239 --> 02:00:10,640
effort to save, you know, prevent this dirtier shit bag

2192
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:12,800
from getting an office. Like again, if you gotta, if

2193
02:00:12,840 --> 02:00:14,560
you got a choice, been getting slapped in the face

2194
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:17,640
or like scalped, I'll take the slap in the face,

2195
02:00:18,399 --> 02:00:21,760
which is what you know, I'll vote for Harris was whatever.

2196
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:24,640
I mean, it doesn't matter anymore. But again, there's there's

2197
02:00:24,720 --> 02:00:27,439
it's all the way humans work is all social rewards

2198
02:00:27,479 --> 02:00:31,199
and punishment. It's and that's what's so frustrating for me

2199
02:00:31,319 --> 02:00:35,159
about it. I guess because most people generally stick to

2200
02:00:35,279 --> 02:00:42,319
that that uh, that rule. So anyway, but you know,

2201
02:00:42,439 --> 02:00:45,720
with with any of this dark shit that you know

2202
02:00:45,800 --> 02:00:47,640
that we're talking about I think again, the answer is

2203
02:00:47,640 --> 02:00:51,520
always in reconnecting with the living world. You know, whether

2204
02:00:51,600 --> 02:00:54,399
it's just having a fucking like eight by ten patch

2205
02:00:54,439 --> 02:00:56,840
of native plants in your yard where you can watch

2206
02:00:56,880 --> 02:00:58,920
all the birds and shit coming to visit it, or

2207
02:00:58,960 --> 02:01:01,439
whether it's being able to take a walk along the

2208
02:01:01,479 --> 02:01:04,720
fucking you know, a canal that hasn't been mode, where

2209
02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:09,000
there's actual plant life, where there's something alive that's not

2210
02:01:09,199 --> 02:01:13,239
like a planted shitty crape myrtle or some horticultural atrocity,

2211
02:01:13,319 --> 02:01:15,680
you know, the landscape and garbage something like that. I

2212
02:01:15,760 --> 02:01:18,600
think that always it feels good for people. I think

2213
02:01:18,680 --> 02:01:22,079
that is what you know, we need more of that.

2214
02:01:22,359 --> 02:01:25,920
We need people. You show them that, and you at

2215
02:01:26,000 --> 02:01:28,199
least half of them are going to become converts, you know.

2216
02:01:29,319 --> 02:01:34,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, And what we do to the land is

2217
02:01:35,439 --> 02:01:38,800
what we do to ourselves. And so when we harm

2218
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:42,800
the land, we are harming ourselves mentally, physically and spiritually.

2219
02:01:43,079 --> 02:01:48,640
And yeah, waking people up to the fact that everything

2220
02:01:48,800 --> 02:01:54,680
is interconnected and we have the strength to turn things around.

2221
02:01:55,039 --> 02:01:57,159
And I know that we all, many of us feel

2222
02:01:57,279 --> 02:02:00,920
really really hopeless right now, but I I do not.

2223
02:02:01,199 --> 02:02:04,079
I mean, I struggle with it at times, But when

2224
02:02:04,159 --> 02:02:08,640
I do, I take that hopelessness to nature, and I

2225
02:02:08,880 --> 02:02:12,479
encourage everybody to do this. When you are feeling hopeless

2226
02:02:12,640 --> 02:02:16,159
and lost and scared, go outside to a natural area

2227
02:02:16,279 --> 02:02:20,119
that you can access and ask for what you need.

2228
02:02:20,359 --> 02:02:23,479
You know, put your hands in the earth and ask

2229
02:02:23,800 --> 02:02:28,960
for cry if you need to stop, but.

2230
02:02:30,720 --> 02:02:31,199
Speaker 1: I don't care.

2231
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,680
Speaker 4: Sorry, sorry, I'm gonna you gotta let me.

2232
02:02:33,720 --> 02:02:36,640
Speaker 1: Too, and wish for the swift death of your enemies.

2233
02:02:37,880 --> 02:02:40,239
Speaker 4: So I want to say, ask for what you need,

2234
02:02:40,439 --> 02:02:43,960
Ask for the strength you need, Ask for the to

2235
02:02:44,119 --> 02:02:47,319
re relieved of this burden of grief, because I think

2236
02:02:47,479 --> 02:02:50,760
so many of us that are you know, sensitive and

2237
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:53,600
in touch with the natural world, we are grieving right

2238
02:02:53,640 --> 02:02:56,840
now and we have to process this grief in order

2239
02:02:56,960 --> 02:03:01,479
to heal and move forward as a society. And so

2240
02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:06,000
deposit your grief into the earth. Ask for the strength

2241
02:03:06,079 --> 02:03:08,960
and power that you need. Whatever you need, you can

2242
02:03:09,119 --> 02:03:13,399
ask for that and know that that strength and power

2243
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:17,159
is all around you, especially if you're anywhere near trees

2244
02:03:17,479 --> 02:03:21,279
or earth. You can go outside sometimes, you know, I'll

2245
02:03:21,399 --> 02:03:23,720
just go outside with my shoes off and touch the

2246
02:03:23,840 --> 02:03:28,880
ground and try to feel that strength returning to me

2247
02:03:29,039 --> 02:03:31,319
and I know that sounds when we were cuckoo or whatever.

2248
02:03:31,560 --> 02:03:35,760
I don't really care. At this point. We're in very

2249
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:39,119
dark times and we this is a must for people

2250
02:03:39,239 --> 02:03:42,000
to awaken to our connection with the earth and our

2251
02:03:42,079 --> 02:03:43,039
dependency upon it.

2252
02:03:43,239 --> 02:03:45,079
Speaker 1: But I think it's okay to ask for like a

2253
02:03:45,159 --> 02:03:48,319
piano to fall on like fucking jd Vance's that or

2254
02:03:48,359 --> 02:03:49,479
something too. I think that's right.

2255
02:03:49,560 --> 02:03:52,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, sometimes I imagine a piano wire around the neck.

2256
02:03:53,840 --> 02:03:56,159
Speaker 1: Now I talk about a whole piano. I want like it.

2257
02:03:56,319 --> 02:03:58,840
I want it to be entertaining. I want like a

2258
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:04,399
fall from above pianos and safets and shit. Anyway, Okay, well,

2259
02:04:04,439 --> 02:04:08,000
thanks a lot, thanks Lily. I appreciate that you're giving

2260
02:04:08,079 --> 02:04:11,399
us the info on a Yeah, Florida's fucking anyway. You

2261
02:04:11,479 --> 02:04:13,199
have so Lake Wales Ridge in October. I'll call you

2262
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:16,399
about that. We'll be out there, all right, Okay, all right, bye,

2263
02:04:18,039 --> 02:04:20,640
all right, anyway, that's two hours right there, we hit

2264
02:04:20,720 --> 02:04:24,119
the mark. Thanks for listening. I appree, I appreciate I

2265
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:27,000
appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming here and

2266
02:04:27,119 --> 02:04:31,600
listening to Anyway. Uh, we're gonna be on tour and

2267
02:04:31,680 --> 02:04:33,439
I don't know if we're taking a fucking club wagon

2268
02:04:33,560 --> 02:04:35,039
or what. But we're gonna be on tour the club

2269
02:04:35,119 --> 02:04:37,880
Al's club Wagon on my truck and I'm gonna be

2270
02:04:37,960 --> 02:04:40,840
doing it. It's a two hour presentation on lawn killing

2271
02:04:41,199 --> 02:04:46,560
horticultural atrocities, how ridiculous modern American landscaping is dope native

2272
02:04:46,640 --> 02:04:50,560
prairie plants. Uh. And then a lot of screaming and shouting.

2273
02:04:50,680 --> 02:04:53,199
And that's screaming. It's like an elevated to It's like this.

2274
02:04:53,399 --> 02:04:56,640
It's a it's a very abrasive. It's very abraive. I

2275
02:04:56,720 --> 02:04:59,640
don't appreciate it. It's very abraid, very abrasive. I can

2276
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:01,920
tell down to profanity if you got if there's kids

2277
02:05:01,960 --> 02:05:03,600
in there, if I see kids, I'm not gonna be

2278
02:05:03,600 --> 02:05:08,560
cursing so much. I'll turn it down. Okay, no kids.

2279
02:05:08,600 --> 02:05:12,079
It's a cluster fuck of curse words. It's profanity, you know.

2280
02:05:12,279 --> 02:05:12,640
Speaker 4: And uh.

2281
02:05:12,840 --> 02:05:15,279
Speaker 1: And then we'll be selling printing a bunch of shirts

2282
02:05:15,319 --> 02:05:18,800
in a garage. Kill your lawn shit, you know, have

2283
02:05:18,960 --> 02:05:21,239
some uh, maybe get some yard signs or something too,

2284
02:05:21,399 --> 02:05:23,159
and it'll be a nice time. Why don't you come out.

2285
02:05:23,239 --> 02:05:25,319
We're doing the Midwest, We're awarding the big city. We're

2286
02:05:25,319 --> 02:05:29,279
awarding the coastal cities for this coastal elite global coastal

2287
02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:34,279
elite globalist. We're gonna be We're gonna do Omaha, Lincoln, Hello, Nebraska.

2288
02:05:34,479 --> 02:05:37,760
We're doing who's gonna hook up Iway shows? Is there

2289
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:41,920
anyone who can hook up shows in Des Moines, Davenport,

2290
02:05:42,119 --> 02:05:45,279
Rapid City? Any it? He's in between. I one never

2291
02:05:45,359 --> 02:05:48,079
gets any love. We're here to show it love. And

2292
02:05:48,279 --> 02:05:52,399
check out that uh patch of salvia azarrea but a

2293
02:05:52,520 --> 02:05:54,520
highways stop. I don't know. Look it's I think it's

2294
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:56,119
a inand I don't think my I don't think I

2295
02:05:56,159 --> 02:05:59,800
have obscured the location. Someone gets seed of that and

2296
02:06:00,079 --> 02:06:02,119
grow that, or you're an asshole if you live in

2297
02:06:02,199 --> 02:06:05,079
that area and you're not trying to grow salvia azaria

2298
02:06:05,960 --> 02:06:08,840
azeria however you want to pronounce it, you're an asshole.

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And uh what else? Oh yeah, and join the Patreon

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if you want to hear me reading the first twenty

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five thirty minutes of Concrete Botany, the book that's due

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out in April. I think that's something that have a

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grocery day, go for your somebody goes off to my

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girl choice say after dada hate. They drink doles, bears, Hawks, socks.

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Speaker 6: Bulls, Sago pie a little longer like I DL piece

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so they've read rolled mustache, the sauce of Mike Tickers

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forehead and hair combs to the side, looking like a

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piece of foam builk Speaker's red cooler. Eighty five Bear soupers,

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Polar sausage proverbs, walking like my cockers, Sta syatams, no

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shirt jewels could get a case of squirt white suppists

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because I forgot to get the minute rice. So I'm

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back in the damnfield to get a stinking back of ice.

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To get a stinking back of rice. My wife Jorge

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skewt but tastes really looked me like I ate juicy

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fruit had me dancing like Chris Penn and footloose. Eighty

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five Walter Rubles old style back of culs, go to

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a stool, tools and weed whacker fuel eighty five Bear sulvers,

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stay seattles, got room play a basement, suff up shot fat,

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clean up, cook rox cook chops here.

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Speaker 1: Heat shouldn't be that hot.

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Speaker 6: Keep your juices in the chops, keep your juices in

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the brots. Serve from my favorite place, Tato salad and

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great pop. My favorite actor was Dinning. He longed before

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he played night, but Barrener was a substitute.

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Speaker 1: Everything was going right.

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Speaker 6: Even after Jordan left and Dave Corzine retired. So dust

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the s wild throws, Mike Dicker got fired. Favorite actor

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dnnity favorite drink old dolls, bears, fox socks, bulls, play

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softball with the guys. Wife may curly fries, drink about

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four doves grounded out two by flies in the view

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of down Western Stop and get some more rots on sale,

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chicken and tiny sausages going pop.

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Speaker 1: This week fishing trip.

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Speaker 6: Gotta get some new flies. Wife packed turkey SUPs, jay

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chips and beach pie. Swash a little danaheat, pull out

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the laser. This it's like for one, two three, it's

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Baronser makes great flicks. Listen to the shuffle for running

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Richard Dispard. Damn I left those orange pops and the

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trunk got a skylark speak a couple old dolls ship.

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There's my damn wife, you know one the outby back.

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I gotta get some more heights back in the damn Viewick,

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I should go to the damn bar. I saw I

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think Kownsion, the Eatons and a sports car.

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Speaker 1: Favorite to act O Danahey, favorite drink, old Dolls, Bears, Hawks, socks.

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Speaker 6: Bulls, play a little poker, spend time with the wife,

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take her off the Bennegains, see if they cook the

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chops right, go over, get a laser with this projection

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of string TV for to those Italian beef and the

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movie starting. Tommy b Back in the Damn Buick cut

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on w c KG, caught us song by Cliff Bryant

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interview with Dennahee. So I'm trying with down Western Ham.

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I think I've gotta stop his ayers. Got a splitting

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the freaking headic So I popped a couple of Bears.

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I'm back in the Damn Buick. Think I need an

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oil check The battis of George Thorow with smoke spots

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on my back. Read the sports section. Bears in their

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old line trying to find a decent Viero winning more

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south Side.

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Speaker 1: But on w c KG, Huey Lewis and the News

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the hard Rock and.

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Speaker 6: Rollers, Go beat Bears, those favorite actor Daddy, favorite drink dolls, Bears, Hawks, socks, Dolls,

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Favorite Day Sunday, favorite team, the Bears, favorite store adventures.

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Sayers says favorite show Danza, also The Gules weather Man's

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Killing music, The Bulls, Favorite actor, Dunny, favorite drink gold Dolls, Bears, hawks, socks, balls, bulls, balls,

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bulls balls, bulls, bulls, bulls, bulls,