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Speaker 1: When your old career gives you lemons throwing some ice

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mix in some vodka colored A podcast from the Mac

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of All Trade Studio in Fairport and driven by Victor

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Chrysler Dots jeep Ram. It's Billified the Bill Moran Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, hello and welcome. Thanks for getting your pot on.

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Thanks for telling a friend. That's how we spread the

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word about the pirate ship. I'm so excited today. I

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wasn't sure this was actually gonna happen. But a guy

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who I have always here's the thing about this person

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I'm about to introduce. I knew about this person before

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I met this person. Come on that. Yeah, I went

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to Saint John Fisher. I had transferred in. I had

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come in the August, you had graduated the previous May,

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and I had heard the name Kevin lecgrett, like several times.

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I had heard about Kevin mcgrett, and I think you

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were still going and using the gym, and so people

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would see you. Yeah it's Ligrett, man, he was and

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I heard all that like they you. So you were

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the guy I knew who you were before I knew you.

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And then when I wound up needing a job, so

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I did one year. Then I took a year off

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and I did overnights on a rock station in Poughkeepsie

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because my father told me I had I needed needed

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to mature myself before of WPDH. I did WPDH. So

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I did that midnight to six. And then when I

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came back, he said to me he used to send

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me money to party, and he goes, I'm not doing

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that now. You got to figure this out on your own.

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So I'm like, all right, I waited tables in the

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summer in Utah in Park City. Do I do that

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or radio? So I sent a tape to the program

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director at CMF and he hired me. And then I

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go in and there's Kevin Lecgrett and I'm like, oh

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my god, this is the guy that everybody talked about

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on Fisher It was basketball like you were the BMOC.

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It was a long time ago. Well, sorry, have you

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been over to see the campus?

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Speaker 3: I haven't been over there. I give money, but I

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haven't been over there in quite some time.

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Speaker 2: Oh, your money's going doing well because the place looks

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I mean it's tight, you know, it's kind of nice

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the way Nazareth is more space, but it's tight over there.

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It's a university. Now it's it's doing well. I'm friends

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with the guys who run the psychology or more the

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I guess they're more of a counseling what they're they're

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doing over there.

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Speaker 3: But they run that and his friends code word for

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that you use them.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't, I don't. I actually when I decided

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that I needed to go back to therapy, I did

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call them and they recommend it to somebody. So you're

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absolutely true. I did. I had to do it. But

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one of the things that I always found very, very

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admirable about you was the ability to just I don't

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want to say plow through, but achieve at a high

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level consistently, and when you even go back even to college,

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Like there was a knee injury that I think would

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have ended a lot of people's careers from what I

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heard from other people, I never really spoke to you

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about the knee injury and how you came back from that.

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And you know, when we think about these things, it

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was Division three basketball. I'm not knocking that at all

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because it's but it wasn't as though you were you

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were a scholarship player or anything. You were paying right,

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they couldn't offer anything exactly. You got financial aid and

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things like that. Yeah, even during that time, I still

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thought I was going to play for the New York

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next That's the attitude you have to have. I mean,

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I really think so. And it's funny because now I

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have my fourteen year old son who is six to

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one and one hundred and ninety pounds, and he loves basketball.

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But there are days where it's like I don't want

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to go to practice or I'm sick, or so I

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make him call the coach. But he couldn't play last night.

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They wouldn't let him suit up, and I'm like, buddy,

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this is the stuff. So it's slowly right. Trying to

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change those things with him. My thing now as a parent,

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I try to be a matador and get you to

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come over here without screaming and yelling and stopping and

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doing all the things. I made a mistake with the

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experiment that were before him, But I think that that's

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part of it. But motivation is such a thing, and

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I thought, boy, you could be a motivational speaker. I'm

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sure you have been at some point in your life,

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or write a motivational book on really how to just

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get through because I stay to my sons all the time.

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Life never stops coming at you. It's how you handle it,

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and the only thing you can control your emotions, and

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most adults can't well well. First and foremost, I'm blushing,

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even though I've got this dark skin. I'm blushing.

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Speaker 3: But what I would say to this is you never

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forget the trauma that you had growing up. Sure, and

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I always remember, you know, growing up in an apartment complex,

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not having any money, always being concerned. I was very

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fortunate that I was a pretty good athlete. I definitely

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blossomed young, which means everyone thought I was going to

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be great, and then I stopped growing and different things

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like that. So what's always fueled me is the fact

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that I always know that there's somebody else who wants

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whatever I have achieved. So I never sit back.

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Speaker 2: And go ooh, I've made it.

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Speaker 3: Who I'm doing a really good job. It's like, Okay,

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I got to keep grinding because whatever I did today

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is not going to be good enough for tomorrow, and

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it fatigues a lot of people, like, yes, it does.

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I also know that as kind as you were about

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the success and things that I've had, I also know

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that I've burned people out because people have tried to

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keep up with me, and it's hard to keep up

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with me. I want to keep moving. I want to

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be the energizer bunny. And I wake up in the

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morning and the first thing I do is thank God

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that I'm live. And then it's like boom, feet on

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the ground. Let's start going. Let no breakfast, Let no breakfast,

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let's go, let's go to go, get the work out in,

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let's get some stuff done, Let's move, and let's start

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being productive every single day. And even when I was

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in Los Angeles for the last ten years, the big

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thing I always talked about was the fact that I'm

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just a kid from Rochester.

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: So you guys can get caught up in all this

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glitz and glamour.

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Speaker 2: Now you realize that your friends make fun of you

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for the kid from Rochester, a kid from the streets.

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I hear from you from your best friends, that whole family,

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and you know what I'm talking about. They will always go, oh, yeah,

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yeah kid, and they really yeah, but he went to mcquad.

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But I think you earned your way into mcquad. Laguad

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is having had a son that went there. I think

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it is one of the best schools I've ever seen.

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Uh And I think I love that it's just guys

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because it allows guys to be guys. Having I've talked

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openly about substitute teaching. I think we teach young boys

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almost wrong. It's schools not designed for them. You have

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to sit for a long time and all this, And

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there was a way in McQuay that they figured it

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out for guys. And I had a kid that was

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in and out of trouble, but man, he went there

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and then onto college, transformed his body and ended up

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on the Division one team as a thrower in Saint Louis,

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and then unfortunately had surgery towards labor and that kind

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of ended things for him. But here's here's what I

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would say. I think it was all driven by mcway.

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Speaker 3: I could do an entire hour on how great MCUAD

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is and how much MCAD changed my life, how much

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today the things that are my foundation are still from mccaid.

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To me, it's the most amazing institute. I enjoyed it

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more than I did college. I enjoyed it more than

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some of the experiences that I've had in the business world.

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And all the things I've learned, just because no matter what,

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no matter how shit you won.

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Speaker 2: You guys, you had Van Gundy as your coach in

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nineteen eighty six, Yeah, didn't you win States?

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Speaker 3: No, in nineteen eighty seven, we won.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry.

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Speaker 3: We were the first ever Section five champions and that

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was under Jill Marques. Vangundy was only there for a year,

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but he had ye, you know, an unbelievable impact on

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sure that four year window of students. And then we

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won in eighty seven. And the following year eighty eight

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with Greg Woodard and Drew Henderson and JKM Jemmy they

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won the States. First time they won the States. But yeah,

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it was a.

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Speaker 2: Pretty special time.

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Speaker 3: But McQuaid, I mean, the great thing about mccread is

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it teaches you about being competitive, but you know, understanding

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that each and every day you've got to be the

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best you can be so you can be part of

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the team. And I'm not just talking about sports. I'm

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talking about the team. I mean, you know what it's like.

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You got all those honor rolls, you got all those

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you know, when you're in class, you can't be the

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dumbest kuy in class. You got to make sure you're

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doing the work and digging in and different things like that.

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And I learned from McQuaid, like the things that I

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don't want to do, you do first in the day,

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because if you just keep putting stuff off, all you

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do is push it down, push it down, push it down.

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You got to do the hard things first. So whether

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it's you don't like reading, whether it's like you don't

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like math, whether it's you don't like science, you got

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to get that homework done right away.

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Speaker 2: And I was very.

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Speaker 3: Fortunate because I played a lot of sports, so I

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was always in study halls. And the great thing about

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mc as those study halls had a lot of teachers

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that would help you and give you that one on

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one time if you were falling behind or quite frankly,

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just weren't getting anything.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw that with my son, that the amount

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of work. I don't know that it was just any harder,

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but it was more demanding, right because people go out

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so harder. I'm like, I'm not sure that you can

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make trigonometry any harder than it already is. Just they

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move it at pay move at a faster pace. He

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was in an ap English class and I think they

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in the first semester they were reading three books, discussing

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one in class and needed a paper on all three.

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And it was almost like, that's just the expectation, you know.

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And I wanted it for him to tighten up the

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margins because he was a really bright kid in Pittsford,

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getting ninety fives and stuff. But it was all of

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a sudden, you know, you get into around February March.

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It's like, yeah, I don't worry about it. Jordan Handen

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at the end of the week and I'm be like, no,

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that that no. And mccuaiby be like, yeah, handed at

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the end of the week, twenty points off. You know what

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I mean. You know what I'm saying, And I like that,

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and it was part of that motivation. I'm like, man,

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I would have loved something like this, And I just

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think it teaches you such things as you're saying. And

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talk to anybody who sent kids there. The kids will

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tell you college was easy because you had the discipline.

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And I think that's the biggest thing is discipline. You

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know that.

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Speaker 3: My basketball team at Saint John Fisher used to always

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think I was like a brainiac because I got great grades.

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At Fisher, I always turned in my stuff on time.

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I had no problem writing. You know, being at Fisher,

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there's kids that came from let's say Albany, or came

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from Syracuse. They didn't really know how to write. McQuay

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teaches you how to read, write, and become disciplined. And

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the great thing about that is if you stay on

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a schedule, you never fall behind. So at Fisher, to

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your point, I love Saint John Fisher, but let me

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tell you something. It was a lot easier than mcuayy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe that. I totally believe that. I didn't

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go to a McQuay and I found it easier and

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more enjoyable. I loved it. But that's interesting. But all

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that focus in discipline, as you've gone through various parts

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of your career and things, what is it when you're

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trying then to motivate someone else, As you said, you

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burn people out trying to keep up with you. That's

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on them, I would say, But in a way, how

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do you motivate people when they're hitting roadblocks or they're

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having things in their lives and being able to read

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people I think as a leader is really important.

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and you learn from mistakes, and I probably have learned

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more from the mistakes than the successes I've had. And

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you also begin to think about moments that you had

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in your life and people who you interacted with and

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the way they worked with you. And I'll give you

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an example. As I've gotten older, to me, it's all

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about one on one relationships. I spent a lot of time,

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like when I went to Los Angeles, I sat down

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with every employee we had. They're over three hundred and

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seventy employees, and wanted to know what made each one

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tick those meetings. As you know, I always had my book,

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I'm just taking notes on each person, and afterwards I

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wrote my handwritten note, hey man, great meeting, referenced a

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couple of things we talked about. But now I'm starting

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to build a bond. Early in my career, I made

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a huge mistake of managing and coaching everyone the same way.

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a little bit differently. I talked earlier about you know,

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we're defined a lot by the traumas that we had

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in adolescens and when we were growing up. Sure and

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sometimes we don't even know those are trauma. Sometimes we've

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even you know, suppressed them and things like that. But

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the one thing I always remember, and I was talking

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earlier today with Jim Johnson used to coach at Grease

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the Theater. We were talking about Jeffan Gundy and jeff

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Aangundy coached me from the summer of eighty five to

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the summer of the summer of eighty five to the

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summer of eighty seven, forty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Forty years Thanks for minding me of that.

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Speaker 3: But he could rip you in practice, like literally rip

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you and make you feel like you were about as

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big as an aunt. But he would come in the

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locker room afterwards, and we had a locker room that

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was just for basketball at McQuaid, and you know, the

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guys would be done showering and we'd be getting ready

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and he would sit next to you on the bench

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and just start talking to you about life or talking

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to you about current events and things like that, and

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he was building a bond with you and letting you

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know he cared and that what happened on the court

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isn't necessarily the way he feels about you as a person.

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And I always remembered that. So there are times when

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I've got to be tough with an entire staff, but

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I find the time to go to people individually, especially

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the thought leaders on the team, and let them know that, yeah,

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I'm not happy with what's going on right now, but

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I still believe in you. We're still on the team.

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those mistakes very quickly, and we're going to continue the

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momentum that we've had in the past when it comes

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to being successful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you don't want to lose. You know,

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you'll hear it in sports a lot. He lost the

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locker room, right and the coaches in there, and you

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don't want to lose anybody. And going to the thought leaders,

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the gossip people. It's a nice way to say it,

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thought leaders, but the people that would talk shit in

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a way or say, you know, I've been here a

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long time, this is a new guy. I think that

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that's really really smart sometimes and empowering. Sometimes you have.

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Speaker 3: To also with those thought leaders. You have to explain

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why you did something or why you're doing something and

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let them in and you'd be surprised that when you

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let people in through the back door. Sometimes how much

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they think that they're in the boat with you.

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Speaker 2: You know. PJ.

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Speaker 3: Flak, the head football coach at the University of Minnesota,

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has a great saying and he actually wrote a book

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about it called Row the Boat, and it's about being

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on the boat. If we're not all not rowing in Unison,

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the boat's probably going to flip over. And you got

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to think about that, like really really hard. The other

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thing I think that is really important as a leader

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is you have to define who your glue people are.

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And sometimes those glue people are not the leading scorer

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on the basketball team or the number one biller, or

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they're not the person that gets the accolades, but they're

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the ones in the trenches that everybody that everyone recognizes

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contributes in ways that don't necessarily show up on a

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dashboard or a spreadshit. You know, think about the Chicago Bulls.

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Denis Rodman was a glue guy. He was a distraction,

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but he was a glue guy. He did a little

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bit of everything. When you define who those glue guys are,

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it can make a big difference. You think about the

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current Buffalo Bills team, it's a guy like Dawson Knox.

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next great one, but Dawson Knox is somebody who helps

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control that locker room a little bit. Matt Mullane controls

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that locker room a little bit, and there are going

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to be times that they're upset with coach Sean and

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you're going to need a leader to step up and

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figure out how all that interacts. And that's why as

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you build your team, you also have to build it

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with other leaders, leaders that you trust, whether it's individual

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players or employees, or its individual managers that can explain

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sometimes the rationale behind why a coach did this or

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did that. It's easy to lose the locker room. Nick

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Sirianni lost locker room with the Eagles. You've got to

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figure out how to bring that back around. And I

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think it all comes down to having being in unison

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with your thought leaders and also being in unison with

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your glue people, because it makes a big, big difference.

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and I think pat Riley started this years and years

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ago with the Los Angeles Lakers. They have an executive

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committee and it's made up of seven or eight players

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that meet with the head coach once a week. Mike

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Tomlin does it with the Pittsburgh Steelers, and that's where

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you solicit feedback.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: So I always had what I called an AE council

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because in our business and audio and streaming, we had

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you know, the biggest part of the facility was the sellers.

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Whether you had forty or one hundred sellers, you would

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grab eight to ten of them and you'd have their

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peers say who should be on the AEC council and

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you talked to them once a month and ask what's

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going on? And I always ask simple questions I learned

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a long time ago. Ask open into questions because you'll

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get people to respond freely.

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Speaker 2: So my questions used.

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Speaker 3: To always be what's going well, what's not going well?

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And what's keeping you up at night? And you'd be

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amazed that I'd have five people in the room and

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myself so six total, and we could get through sixty

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to ninety minutes with those three questions.

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Speaker 2: Really, I think that's great. Would you never thought of

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going into coaching. I don't mean coaching in terms of

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life coaching, but I mean in terms of.

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Speaker 3: Sports I absolutely did. Yes, And I'll be honest with you.

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I just again, I had breakfast earlier this morning with

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Jim Johnson, and one of the things he said is,

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why did you never go into coaching? With all the

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connections you have with the big Van Gundhi name Jeff

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would do anything for you. I was scared of than

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the nomadic lifestyle. Oh didn't want to go and one

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year be an assistant at Wisconsin and the next year

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be an assistant in Florida and then go to Division

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two and be a head coach and work my way

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up to Division one. It was just it was intimidating

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to me. And again, as a kid who grew up

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with nothing, I want to start making some money.

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Speaker 2: I got you.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to make money. And do I regret that?

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I don't think I regret really that much. But do

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I think about what might have been?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I absolutely do. I mean it would it be great

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to be on the bench with the New York Knicks.

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One yes, saying gunn he was the head coach. Absolutely,

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I mean you know how much I love the Nicks

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and that it's just it's just different.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you could have been there for what was in

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Alonzo Morning that he the fight on the ground. He's

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got he's being dragged around like a month. He's got

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him by the ankle.

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Speaker 3: Because Alonzo Morning and h and Larry Johnson didn't get

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along and they faced off. They square it up with

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this up and Ben Gunny.

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Speaker 2: Was why was Van Gunny gonna throw at me? He's

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like half through side.

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Speaker 3: And Gunny was getting in between. And because he was

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so small and Lonzo Morning was so strong, he literally

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just flicked them off a fly. As he's going down,

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he grabs a bunch of money. Well it was, it

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got worse. I don't know if you if you remember,

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I think it was nineteen ninety nine. Martin Luther King day,

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Marcus can Be and Danny Ferry in the middle of

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the day squared off and Bengundi run on the court,

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ran on the court. Marcus Canby square punch his coach

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Ban Gundhi in the temple and Bengunny went down. You

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got a Google litter, Oh my god too. But it's

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pretty funny. He never learned his lesson. Oh well, you're

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trying to, you know, keep the guys. You don't want

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them eating each other, so to speak. And you don't

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want your players to get hurt.

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Speaker 2: That that's interesting. I love the idea of the council. Yeah, yeah,

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it matters. Did you did other people do that in

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the business? U? Yeah, oh they did. They started doing it.

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It became something, but you started it.

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Speaker 3: I started. I started. I never called it initially an

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AE council called it. I called it my executive insight Team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And you know me, I always had those like little

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little saying you know, fluty and things like that, because

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I loved Flutie when he was at the Bills. I

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always had like little names for things. But I just

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think it means a lot. I learned a lot from

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watching great coaches, and I was very fortunate. Again we've

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used his name a couple of times, but with Jef

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van Gundy. When myself and another McCoy graduate, Greg Whitter,

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would go watch the Knicks practice, one of the things

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I always noticed is that after practice, pat Riley would

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always be in this little stairway talking to Patrick Ewing.

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And one day we were at lunch afterwards and I asked, Coach,

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I go, how come Coach Riley always talks to Patrick

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in the in the stairwell, And he said, one of

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the things you learn as a leader is how to

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be able to effectively communicate with all of your players.

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And Patrick is a guy that has huge pride, and

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if you correct Patrick in front of the group, he

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goes into a shell and he's not happy about it,

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and he feels like you've attacked him.

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Speaker 2: So Coach Riley.

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Speaker 3: Spends time with him out to practice and tells him

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areas that he thinks that either he needs to work

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on or areas where he may not be giving the

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best effort, and that message is better delivered one on one.

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And I always it was one of those moments because

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at the time I was working, I think I was

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running one sales org and I was getting promoted to

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run an entire group of like four or five sales orgs,

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and all I kept thinking about the entire time was

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I got to make sure everyone gets on my plan. Yeah,

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And it wasn't that way. It was like, how can

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we create a strategy, get everybody to understand the strategy,

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and then individually build tactics to be able to achieve

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the overall goal.

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Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing you say is meet the person

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where they are.

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Speaker 3: Not necessarily where they are but at least halfway.

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Speaker 2: Okay, because if.

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Speaker 3: Someone's in a dark, dark corner and they can't be saved,

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you can't go into that corner because you'll end up

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going on a spiral with them.

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Speaker 2: That's a good point. But sometimes you have people who

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are working and motivating, but they don't want to be

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shamed so to speak, or disciplined or whatever the term

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would be in front of people. But you can kind

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of see that modify. Yeah, that's interesting because.

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Speaker 3: Some of the biggest wins of my life, Bill are

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when I have had someone who initially was one of

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my biggest critics who becomes my biggest fan by the

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time our time together is over. Because all of our

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time together is limited. I mean, you and I've had relationships,

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We've been as thick as thieves, and then we go

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five years without really working together, and then we're back

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00:22:23,519 --> 00:22:26,400
together again, and then it disappears. That happens in life.

478
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,079
That's why those moments are so important, and you can

479
00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:32,680
never not register like did I make an impact?

480
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,559
Speaker 2: Did I do what I needed to do to Let

481
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:37,839
me just tell you the impact you made. I walked

482
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,799
into a basketball game last night and I notice a

483
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:47,000
kid on the other team who is really little like go.

484
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,759
I can't believe this kid's in ninth grade and he's

485
00:22:50,799 --> 00:22:54,039
got his shirt practically comes down to his knees. A

486
00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:57,519
couple minutes later, his parents walk in and it's an

487
00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:03,079
old friend of ours, heath who that says to me, Hey,

488
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,359
do you hear who's in town? He said that he

489
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:08,640
works with the in law of yours and you were

490
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,599
there and you and you call or they called whatever

491
00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,480
it was my wife's cousins. Okay, But the thing that's

492
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:18,359
so funny to me is it's the same thing you have.

493
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,279
You've done exactly what you wanted to do. If there

494
00:23:22,279 --> 00:23:25,599
are raving fans, there are raving fans. People get excited

495
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,960
when you come to town. I'm not one of them,

496
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:36,960
but but they do. I know. But the it's an

497
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,759
interesting isn't it. I mean, it's got to make you

498
00:23:39,799 --> 00:23:43,200
because I'm sure when you're the new guy coming in somewhere,

499
00:23:43,319 --> 00:23:45,640
you're gonna have enemies and how do you get people

500
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,880
to come over? And you're demanding and I don't mean

501
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,599
it as like, but you have standards, right, so let's

502
00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:56,240
meet those standards and getting people to come aboard. Sometimes

503
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,839
you're you you lose some people along the way, right,

504
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,200
and and yeah, others who stick around I think start

505
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:03,200
to see the benefit of that.

506
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,559
Speaker 3: I've kept any negative exit interview I've ever had with

507
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,640
an employee that has been about my leadership, I've kept

508
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,319
that file just because I always want to make sure

509
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,000
that I learned from it. You know, sometimes getting harsh

510
00:24:17,039 --> 00:24:19,920
criticisms can be the best thing for you because it

511
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,240
can level set things. But yeah, at the end of

512
00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,640
the day, Bill, I've always wanted to bring people together

513
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,599
to do things as a team that they couldn't do

514
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,759
as individuals, right, And my whole goal was how do

515
00:24:31,799 --> 00:24:35,599
we motivate a team, have the right strategy and push

516
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,359
them so that we can achieve things they never thought

517
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,079
they could do. We were able to do that, I mean,

518
00:24:40,079 --> 00:24:42,200
it was amazing what we did years and years ago

519
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:46,039
at WCMFE. Then we took the same blueprint, customize it

520
00:24:46,079 --> 00:24:47,480
a little bit. Then we did the same thing at

521
00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,319
ninety eight PX. Well, I remember coming back from an

522
00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:52,920
event with you at w CMF when we were driving

523
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240
and we were making a left hand turn into the

524
00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:59,200
went and Road facility and coolioh was on the air.

525
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:04,319
It was when that Coolio song with Michelle whatever it

526
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:05,160
was that movie that.

527
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 2: She was in. Yeah, it was a Gangster's Paradise, my man,

528
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,119
you know it. Yeah.

529
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,039
Speaker 3: And I turned to you and I said, if somebody

530
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,200
gave me p X wider run, I would I would

531
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,599
just desroy. He did say that, and six months later

532
00:25:17,799 --> 00:25:20,799
Bob Morgan gave that to me and we I mean

533
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,640
nineteen ninety six, nineteen ninety seven, it was record record building,

534
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:27,640
like they couldn't believe the numbers we were putting up with.

535
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,000
And that's what got me on people like Don Blucas

536
00:25:30,039 --> 00:25:33,920
and Steve Dodgers' radar screen right. And then we took

537
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,559
that and moved into the director. Where does the confidence

538
00:25:36,559 --> 00:25:41,160
come from? Because you have to I'll take it to

539
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:41,880
more of.

540
00:25:41,799 --> 00:25:45,039
Speaker 2: A metaphysical idea, which I know it's pope a little

541
00:25:45,079 --> 00:25:48,079
weird for you, but well, I don't mean but it is.

542
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,119
But a belief is a thought that you think over

543
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:56,519
and over whatever that is right, And I'm one who wonders, now,

544
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,720
do you have to grind as hard or do you

545
00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:03,240
have to really just believe and know the way. So

546
00:26:03,319 --> 00:26:06,920
my question for you is, you did say that, give

547
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,720
me p X Y and I will do this and

548
00:26:08,839 --> 00:26:12,000
it's the top forty station in Rochester, New York. And

549
00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:15,559
at the time, I mean, I guess if you were

550
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:21,279
to show it was underserved or underserving under delivering, let's

551
00:26:21,279 --> 00:26:24,599
say that way in revenue. And where does that confidence

552
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:30,359
come from? Because lots of people start out with you know,

553
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,920
I'll call that bluster, but they can't deliver, and I

554
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,839
bluster's not the right word, but they can't deliver. And

555
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960
so to have that belief in yourself, where does that

556
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:41,599
come from?

557
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,079
Speaker 3: I'm not sure if it was confidence or if it

558
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:47,079
was or belief in myself. I think it was always

559
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:51,599
I looked at situations for the potential. I never looked

560
00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,880
at job opportunities for the money. I looked first and foremost,

561
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,759
can I win? Can I make a difference?

562
00:26:59,279 --> 00:26:59,920
Speaker 2: And can I.

563
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: Build this team or recruit people who can put me

564
00:27:04,519 --> 00:27:06,759
in a position so I can be successful. That was

565
00:27:06,799 --> 00:27:09,720
always my filter at a young age, and it's kind

566
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,039
of expanded since then. Sure, I never felt like it

567
00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:16,599
was just confidence. I think that my secret sauce has

568
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:20,279
always been that. And you'll laugh, but it's just a

569
00:27:20,319 --> 00:27:23,359
phrase that everybody uses. Is no one is going to

570
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,319
outwork me at my job. So, and I mean that

571
00:27:27,319 --> 00:27:29,240
because they're going to be people in the office that

572
00:27:29,559 --> 00:27:32,079
actually work harder than me, people who are on the air,

573
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,400
or people in promotions or whatever it may be. But

574
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,119
when it came to anyone that was in the Rochester

575
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,000
market that was leading the market, let's say they were

576
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,319
the market president like I was, they weren't going to

577
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,680
outwork me, and no one in the company was going

578
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:46,160
to outwork me on that. And at the end of

579
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,279
the day, I still believe that hard work and disciplined

580
00:27:50,319 --> 00:27:53,400
hard work that is focused is always going to win.

581
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,839
There are people that are in jobs for twelve fifteen

582
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,319
hours a day and they're failing because they're not disciplined.

583
00:27:58,359 --> 00:27:59,960
They're not doing the things that need to get done.

584
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:02,279
Speaker 2: Well. I was always focused on doing the things I

585
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:07,440
needed to do. That's interesting because I believe more now

586
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:12,720
and having gone through this experience and keeping this podcast

587
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,200
going for two years. I mean, I always say, and

588
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:17,920
the guys make fun of me, the barrier to entry

589
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,559
for anything is gone, so you don't necessarily need the

590
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:24,480
middleman as much anymore. Or you know, like a delivery system,

591
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,240
it's there, you can find it. You can do the structure,

592
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:32,000
but the idea of like, you know, you did outwork

593
00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:35,519
out work that can become mentally exhausting for some people,

594
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,759
and I often think that, but I say, now we

595
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,119
have to do hard things. And the reason we have

596
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,599
to do hard things, in my opinion, is the satisfaction.

597
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,480
When I was on radio, I didn't know how I did.

598
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,799
I could leave a studio and feel like I did

599
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:56,039
a great fucking show man. I let the world on

600
00:28:56,079 --> 00:28:59,319
fire that day, and I wouldn't know the results for

601
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,359
three months, four months. And that's why I liked working

602
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:06,240
with my hands and hanging a door, because I could

603
00:29:06,599 --> 00:29:08,599
look at that and go, I did that today, and

604
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,480
there was some tangible thing. But I really think by

605
00:29:12,519 --> 00:29:17,039
doing hard things, you start to get that satisfaction. And

606
00:29:17,119 --> 00:29:19,480
part of the reason that I think the grind, as

607
00:29:19,559 --> 00:29:23,359
people will say, is important, is that you start to

608
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,759
see the progress. And when you start winning, you feel

609
00:29:26,759 --> 00:29:29,319
better and you can push further and you can do that.

610
00:29:29,359 --> 00:29:35,279
And I've had my youngest son probably you know, I

611
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,160
think it has been a traumatic experience for him with parents,

612
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,559
you know, splitch. His mom was in Alabama. He's in

613
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,640
and out of different schools, and I can see it.

614
00:29:45,839 --> 00:29:48,160
But that's where My thing with him is let's do

615
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,839
hard things. Let's do hard things. And that's why, like

616
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,039
I try to get up and I haven't been as

617
00:29:53,079 --> 00:29:56,440
consistent about it over the probably since I started the podcast,

618
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,680
but I am now is I'll get up and I

619
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:01,119
jump in a freezing cold shower. I have the tabata

620
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:03,720
timer and I do it for like a minute and

621
00:30:03,759 --> 00:30:05,759
a half, and I try to make sure I get

622
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,279
just because it wakes up. But I like the hard

623
00:30:08,359 --> 00:30:10,400
things and I feel good I get out of there,

624
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,000
and sometimes I'm laughing. It's like, oh my god, I

625
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,200
did it a minute a half. Can I go a

626
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,079
minute thirty five? Those are the things that then the

627
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:20,160
rest of the day you can push yourself through other

628
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,119
obstacles that are going to come at you. They just are.

629
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:27,359
And if also, I always talk about the zone. You

630
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,759
can get in that zone, and it's kind of to

631
00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:32,279
me it's a higher frequency in your mind. It just is.

632
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 3: I had a phrase that I started using probably my

633
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,039
last five or six years in Los Angeles to my team,

634
00:30:38,079 --> 00:30:41,079
and it was always embraced the suck. Yeah, matter what, sure,

635
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,359
you're going to have things that really suck that you

636
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,920
don't want to do. You've got to embrace the suck,

637
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,079
and in many cases, you've got to do what sucks.

638
00:30:48,119 --> 00:30:51,400
Going back to my McQuaid training, yep, right away, right,

639
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,839
you know, it's like, believe it or not, I don't

640
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,799
really like working out, but I know, based upon my

641
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,839
family's history with long devity, based upon you know, heart

642
00:31:01,839 --> 00:31:03,480
disease in my family saying I gotta get up first

643
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,279
thing in the morning, I could get that workout. It, man,

644
00:31:05,319 --> 00:31:07,799
I got to go. And many days I don't want

645
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:10,240
to do it. It's it's embraced the suck. And when

646
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:13,680
it's over, to your point about working hard, you feel great.

647
00:31:14,039 --> 00:31:15,279
Speaker 2: I feel great, I.

648
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: Accomplished something, it's done, et cetera. I watched I'm sure

649
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,079
you watched it because I know you do a lot

650
00:31:20,079 --> 00:31:21,839
of research for all the shows that you've bet on.

651
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:26,160
But I watched an admiral give as commencement speech, and

652
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,559
one of the things he said was the number one

653
00:31:28,599 --> 00:31:31,440
thing you do is make your bed. Like I'm staying

654
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,079
at my sister in laws right now, the first thing

655
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,160
I do every morning is make my bet. That bet

656
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,559
is made and it's as tight as it looks like

657
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:38,400
in a hotel.

658
00:31:38,599 --> 00:31:40,799
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't do it that well. But my kid

659
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:43,359
will always say, you make your bed every day, Yes,

660
00:31:43,759 --> 00:31:46,200
every day, make your bet because at the end of

661
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,359
the day, you're coming home to a made bed and

662
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,759
it feels better. And it's all about feeling good. That's

663
00:31:51,799 --> 00:31:54,440
the main thing. Is like I feel like our whole

664
00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:57,400
job on the planet. There's no meaning to life other

665
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,680
than the meaning you apply to it. That's it, you know.

666
00:32:00,759 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 3: You and I had talked off the air about the

667
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:06,039
fact that I've kind of gotten really into Ryan Holiday

668
00:32:06,079 --> 00:32:09,000
in the Stoic Away and Marcus Aurelius and things that

669
00:32:09,079 --> 00:32:12,400
he wrote about. But he wrote a lot about how

670
00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:15,319
tough the world is and how tough life is, and

671
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:18,039
this is going back to the Roman times. Sure nothing

672
00:32:18,079 --> 00:32:21,319
has changed today. What has changed is we've gotten softer

673
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,200
as society. We've lowered our standard. One of the reasons

674
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,680
I like Mike Tomlin with the Pittsburgh Steelers is the

675
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,240
standard is the standard. You know, let's not ever lower

676
00:32:31,359 --> 00:32:35,400
our standards to make other people feel good. And it's

677
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:37,519
one of the criticisms that I would say when you

678
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:41,079
look at school districts and you look at how school

679
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:44,400
districts grade out, well, the benchmark for all the school

680
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,160
districts was what is the graduation rate and what is

681
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,480
the suspension rate? And then we'll say whether the school

682
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,119
is doing good or not. Well, it's really easy to

683
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,480
trick that. Oh, sure, increase the graduation rate by lowering

684
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,960
suspension rate, right, simple, keep those kids in school, and

685
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:05,440
we wonder why school systems are starting to fall. We're

686
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,000
to your point, you know twenty minutes ago about McQuaid.

687
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,359
McQuaid never lowers the standard of anything. They're increasing the

688
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,079
standard of what needs to be done. When I was

689
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:16,519
at mccaid, there's no ap classes out of the same classes. Well,

690
00:33:16,559 --> 00:33:19,160
they're challenging themselves and it's going to continue to get

691
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,799
better and better. With a guy like you know, Steve

692
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:22,920
Saluzza as the president there, they're going to keep pushing

693
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,799
that place and try to make sure that they continually

694
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,960
are educating and developing men for others, but at the

695
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,680
same time developing people who can be real contributors to society,

696
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,400
whether that's here in Rochester, whether that's in Los Angeles,

697
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:38,880
whether it's in Atlanta, wherever it may be.

698
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 2: Let's transition a little bit to ego and I follow

699
00:33:46,039 --> 00:33:48,720
me on this one though, because as a leader, you've

700
00:33:48,759 --> 00:33:52,079
got to have ego, and ego is something they can

701
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,920
often be talked about, even in metaphysically, like you'll hear

702
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,319
people say put the ego aside, put the egoside as

703
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:00,920
a leader who's going to be successfu And you mentioned

704
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,160
a book off air called Good to Great and it

705
00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:06,000
was a great read. I loved it. I read it

706
00:34:06,039 --> 00:34:08,639
and I don't even know why because I was just

707
00:34:08,679 --> 00:34:12,239
doing radio talking, but I found it really beneficial. And

708
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:14,840
one of the things that I saw companies and it

709
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,440
was all about combaties that were good, they were doing fine,

710
00:34:17,599 --> 00:34:20,280
they were holding their own and how they transitioned into

711
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,079
being great companies. And one of the ones at the time,

712
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:24,800
and I don't know if it's still the case or not,

713
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,320
was Walgreen's. But what the CEO talked about was hiring

714
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,960
people that were smarter than him. Now that's putting your

715
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,760
ego aside, and that's very hard for a lot of

716
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,840
people because they don't want to be challenged in a way.

717
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,480
As the leader. It's their thing. They have worked so

718
00:34:43,639 --> 00:34:46,760
hard to get where they are right, there's a lot

719
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:52,880
of personal investment. Sometimes it's their whole identity. And now

720
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,519
you're going to come in and do this and this,

721
00:34:54,679 --> 00:34:57,519
and I forget who was the head of Walgreen at

722
00:34:57,559 --> 00:35:00,400
the time, but they would hire people who who could

723
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,639
be CEOs anywhere, and somehow we're able to retain those people,

724
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:10,760
make them feel valued, and they grew into an amazing company.

725
00:35:11,199 --> 00:35:13,679
How do you that's hard to do. It's hard to

726
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,599
retain those people because they too have rite a life,

727
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:20,039
as you said, and all that stuff, and then it's

728
00:35:20,039 --> 00:35:24,400
hard for I think anybody who's achieved to sort of

729
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,519
step back and put the ego aside a little bit

730
00:35:26,559 --> 00:35:29,840
and listen to people who you may say, that guy's

731
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,480
really smart, but you know way to be before you

732
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:36,599
come blasting me in here and what. There's like a

733
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:37,320
couple of things.

734
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: First, I would say you always have to challenge yourself

735
00:35:42,039 --> 00:35:45,480
that it's not because of you, it's because of the team.

736
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,679
And when you begin to think it's all because of you,

737
00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:50,199
that's when your ego gets out of control.

738
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:50,599
Speaker 2: Sure.

739
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 3: I mentioned Ryan Holiday, the author a while ago. He

740
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,559
has another book called Ego Is the Enemy, and it's

741
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:01,159
one of the it's a it's a book that really

742
00:36:01,159 --> 00:36:04,199
will change it. It's based upon the writings during the

743
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,800
Roman Empire, but it also if you talk to a

744
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,639
coach like old miss Lane Kiffen, and I'm not trying

745
00:36:09,639 --> 00:36:12,760
to pigeonhole myself is just a jock or a football guy.

746
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,159
But Lane Kiffen talks about the fact that when he

747
00:36:15,199 --> 00:36:20,199
was a successful offensive coordinator for Pete Carroll at USC

748
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,360
and they won national championships, and then all of a

749
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:25,280
sudden he became the whiz kid head coach of the

750
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,760
Oakland Raiders right in the middle of the night, went

751
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,440
to Tennessee, then left Tennessee in the middle of night,

752
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:34,239
went to USC. His ego was massive, and then he

753
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:37,000
got fired in the tarmac after getting blown out and

754
00:36:37,159 --> 00:36:39,280
didn't know where he was going to go, and he

755
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,840
was humbled, and he read egos in the Enemy. And

756
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,280
the one thing it talked about is that you're only

757
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,719
as strong as the team you.

758
00:36:45,679 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 2: Build and own.

759
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: Your legacy is going to be based upon your ability

760
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,559
to be successful with that team, not about you. And

761
00:36:54,599 --> 00:36:56,079
one of the things I've always tried to do in

762
00:36:56,119 --> 00:36:58,599
my career is understand that when things are going great,

763
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,400
I probably had a really small part of it, and

764
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,199
when things are going bad, I probably had a huge

765
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,320
part of it because I took my eye off the ball,

766
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,239
and I think that's that's humility, and that's what ego

767
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,840
is the enemy really really talks about. I'll use Jeff

768
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,840
Aan Gundy again as an example, and Jeff Van Gundy

769
00:37:15,039 --> 00:37:17,280
finally got the head coach job. At the head coaching

770
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,599
job after Don Nelson was blown out with the Knicks,

771
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,000
I was in his office with the Knicks and it

772
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:26,159
was a desk and on the desk he had all,

773
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,760
you know, all of his files everywhere, but around the

774
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,360
room were just boxes. And I go, hey, coach, are

775
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,000
you going to unpack these boxes? Like you've had this

776
00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:35,320
job for a little while this and that I want

777
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:36,599
you get your assistant to do it. And he goes,

778
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,320
this really isn't my office. I'm renting this. There were

779
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,320
coaches in here before me, and there'll be a lot

780
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,480
of coaches in here after me. What I need to

781
00:37:44,519 --> 00:37:46,639
do is to focus on what's going to happen on

782
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:51,039
that court tonight. And that laser focus was something that

783
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,800
I always thought about, like, no matter how high I

784
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,639
got at whatever media company I was working for or

785
00:37:57,679 --> 00:38:00,960
running at the time, it was all about the fact

786
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:05,199
that this is a temporary job because things are always fluid.

787
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,320
Those people who think that they actually made it and

788
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,639
sit down and are like, I'm ready now.

789
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:13,760
Speaker 2: When you lose, and I mean, believe me, I've I've

790
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:16,639
learned that more than once. And I think that there

791
00:38:16,639 --> 00:38:20,760
were times where I would be so motivated, you know,

792
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,360
every once in a while. I don't know why, but

793
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,440
I rewatched The Last Dance and it's the whole story

794
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,559
of the Bulls and Michael Jordan, and there's a lot

795
00:38:29,559 --> 00:38:32,760
of focus on Jordan, other players as well, but mostly

796
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,719
on him, and that whole idea of making something up

797
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:40,280
in your head, uh, to have a chip on your

798
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:43,880
shoulder and go out there. And I often go, that

799
00:38:44,079 --> 00:38:48,199
sounds so like mentally crazy. Whenever I had a chip

800
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,159
on my shoulder and I had a whole fuck you,

801
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,199
a whole canon of fuck you, I did much better,

802
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,599
you know what I mean. And I don't know what

803
00:38:56,639 --> 00:39:00,440
that is because I go, boy, that sounds again like exhausting.

804
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,760
I don't want to have people you know, you're just

805
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,800
so rigid and you hate it. But yeah, it's not

806
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,760
doesn't seem like a good life.

807
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,480
Speaker 3: The older I've gotten, the softer okay me on this stuff,

808
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:15,000
because I used to always use every snub, Yes, motivation, y,

809
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,440
I did too, But I think you learn over time.

810
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:20,159
Some of that stuff is really good. I mean, the

811
00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,519
last dance phenomenal. You know, when Michael gets emotional talking

812
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:27,719
about the fact that I did everything I did to

813
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,559
win championship and if people he knows people enjoyed that,

814
00:39:31,679 --> 00:39:33,239
if they want to look back at it now and

815
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,400
say it was a horrible experience this and then in

816
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,079
the moment, everybody enjoyed being a world champion.

817
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:38,760
Speaker 2: Sure they did.

818
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 3: And what I always used to say to people is,

819
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,480
no matter how hard it is, do me a favor

820
00:39:43,679 --> 00:39:46,199
and tell me you didn't get better, And tell me

821
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,360
your bank account didn't get higher. Yeah, sure, And I

822
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:50,199
would drop the mic.

823
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

824
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,519
Speaker 3: Because one of the things I was always very focused on,

825
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:58,199
where are people making more money working for me because

826
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:01,440
they're taking part in the six And the second thing

827
00:40:01,519 --> 00:40:05,800
is am I constantly making people better? Am I making

828
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,079
them more well rounded as employees or as individuals?

829
00:40:10,119 --> 00:40:14,599
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's good. How do you keep yourself from

830
00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,119
getting stale and keep evolving, you know what I'm saying,

831
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,800
Trying and change the thinking the culture of something. You

832
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,559
can go so far and then you've got to keep going.

833
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:26,800
So how do you do that with yourself? Is if

834
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:30,840
the books that you're reading is there. Obviously you've mentioned

835
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,400
a couple of books. There's an investment in yourself to

836
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:35,159
be that leader.

837
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:39,119
Speaker 3: I think I think it's it's it's minifold. I think

838
00:40:39,119 --> 00:40:41,719
the first is you've got to be a passionate reader.

839
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,400
Read how people did things, both in the past but

840
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,199
how they're currently looking at things and evolving. I think

841
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,679
number two is you got to have a great cabinet

842
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:51,960
of people you respect and you've got to constantly be

843
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,119
talking to them. And those are people that are inside

844
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:56,880
but mostly outside the industry, because they give you a

845
00:40:56,880 --> 00:41:00,440
different perspective. I got a friend now who runs a

846
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,639
big optical company, a glass company, and it's international, and

847
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,320
to hearing him talk about the challenges he faces today

848
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,880
versus what it was like when he was managing radio

849
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:13,719
stations on the East Coast, it's night and day, and

850
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,320
it really gives me a different perspective, and it challenges

851
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,400
you to promote, to approach your business a little differently.

852
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:21,320
And the last thing, and as you know, I'm a

853
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,760
sport nut, I think that one of the greatest things

854
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
you can do to always constantly reignite yourself is to

855
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:30,760
watch sports. It's the greatest reality show going and the

856
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,840
lead up to it, when you hear how people actually

857
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,639
approach things, is pretty amazing.

858
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 2: I'm excited.

859
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:40,519
Speaker 3: I learned today that Peacock has been doing a behind

860
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:43,639
the scenes on the Notre Dame football They extended it

861
00:41:43,679 --> 00:41:47,400
by six episodes because they obviously are in the National Championship.

862
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:51,440
I can't wait to see how Marcus Freeman motivates his team.

863
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:54,840
Because if you're constantly being a student in life and

864
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,960
picking up little tidbits from other people, you then can

865
00:41:58,039 --> 00:42:01,360
woven into your own approach. Yeah, and you constantly have

866
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,239
got to be changing it. None of us are a

867
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,039
finished product. We're all still.

868
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:07,119
Speaker 2: Being molded into the sculpture that I always think, like,

869
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,239
you're not the same person you were five years ago.

870
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:14,480
You're not. And that was always sort of my problem

871
00:42:14,519 --> 00:42:19,000
with the idea of a cancel culture in that if society,

872
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:22,639
if the pendulum is moved and this is no longer acceptable,

873
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,039
let the person learn the lesson then move forward. But

874
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:28,280
we instead it was this whole we're going to shut

875
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,519
you out and cut you out, and I go, boy,

876
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:33,880
that doesn't move things forward. That to me is a

877
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:38,000
terrible way to do things. But remember human nature, and

878
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,960
mostly human nature in America, loves a comeback. So there's

879
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,400
no question you can be canceled, but you can come back.

880
00:42:44,679 --> 00:42:47,239
You're just so strong, if not stronger. If that isn't

881
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,000
like the one of the truest things that has ever

882
00:42:51,039 --> 00:42:53,760
been said, it's absolutely we love a comeback, love it,

883
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,559
we do. And you love a comeback story. And I

884
00:42:56,599 --> 00:43:01,920
think that the Vice president in a week or so,

885
00:43:02,599 --> 00:43:06,079
you know his whole Netflix story. I mean it's a comeback, right,

886
00:43:06,519 --> 00:43:08,519
you watch that guy be a comeback.

887
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,119
Speaker 3: But not only him, I mean you, but you got

888
00:43:13,159 --> 00:43:15,199
to look at what the president has done. I mean, yes,

889
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,800
he was disgraced and to be able to energize and

890
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,480
win the popular vote, it is pretty staggering. As somebody

891
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,400
who is knee deep in this political cycle, I ran

892
00:43:26,039 --> 00:43:29,400
political for a media company for the last fourteen months.

893
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,599
It is it's a pretty remarkable story. Like dislike whatever

894
00:43:33,639 --> 00:43:33,960
it is.

895
00:43:34,039 --> 00:43:38,119
Speaker 2: It's like, wow, yeah, right, I have to agree with that.

896
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,119
I do. And I don't know that things will be

897
00:43:40,119 --> 00:43:42,840
as bad as some people fear or worry or whatever

898
00:43:43,039 --> 00:43:46,760
the thing is. I think that it's an outsider. We

899
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,880
often say the country needs to be running a business,

900
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:50,800
and then we don't put a business guy in there.

901
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,960
Now you do, and you get scared because he's not

902
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,960
meeting the standard of the office, by which I don't

903
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,400
know that there really is. But we would say, ether

904
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,519
there's this idea that you have to be presidentially, you

905
00:44:03,559 --> 00:44:04,719
have to be this, and you have to do that,

906
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,719
and some of the things certainly weren't that, you know,

907
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:09,639
I mean, the fact that you turn it into a

908
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:13,559
w I think, like I remember watching the first debates

909
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,960
of the first time and he's calling names. I'm like,

910
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,800
holy shit, you can do that. I didn't know you

911
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,199
could do that. And it was a different way. But

912
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,760
it might be the way in like business, right, you

913
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,400
might call somebody that and that's your motivating thing. I

914
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,440
don't know, whatever it is. As long as I'm upbraiding

915
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:34,880
and breathing and think I'm fine. At the end of

916
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,280
the day.

917
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 3: We still need to be able to communicate across the

918
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,519
as and we need to be in ab to have

919
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,800
disagreements and learn from the disagreements. It's it's when everyone

920
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,800
becomes my enemy and I'm going to kill well, that's

921
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,760
when there's a problem. But I mean, I think that

922
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,440
there are the best Some of the best relationships I've

923
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,599
had in my life are are born out of disagreements

924
00:44:54,679 --> 00:44:56,519
or arguments with people. I mean, you remember back in

925
00:44:56,559 --> 00:44:58,960
the day, some of the brawls I used to have

926
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,639
with brother We's yeah, yeah, and the love that the

927
00:45:01,679 --> 00:45:03,840
two of us have for each other. It's even today.

928
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:09,320
You grow tighter through conflict, you grow tighter through disagreement

929
00:45:09,559 --> 00:45:11,559
because now you start to understand how the other people

930
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:14,519
person's wired and how they think exactly.

931
00:45:14,559 --> 00:45:16,199
Speaker 2: And I think that a lot of times there are

932
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,880
people who will acquiesce or back off or whatever, and

933
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,719
I'll always say, stand your ground and have your points

934
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,039
and bring them forth. You don't have to come with

935
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:29,119
a lot of fire, but you need to be steady

936
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,239
and you need to be strong, and that does give

937
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,840
you then I know what this person is right, and

938
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
you don't want to be wishy. What beage is the

939
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,960
worst color in the world to me, And it's the

940
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:41,679
color of the walls here, but it's the worst color

941
00:45:41,679 --> 00:45:44,480
in the world because I can't identify it as anything

942
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:46,400
I want to know. I know what red is, I

943
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,239
know what black is, I know what the yellow is?

944
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,679
I got that bege, I'm not sure, and I think

945
00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:52,159
as a person you don't want that either.

946
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 3: I had a manager one time that used to push

947
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:58,599
the managers when we would do breakout sessions really really,

948
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:01,440
really hard and used to say, why are you being

949
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:05,199
so difficult? We're crushing it. He said, I want to

950
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,119
understand where this person breaks, because then I'll understand how

951
00:46:09,159 --> 00:46:12,079
far I can actually lead them in the.

952
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 2: Organization, how high they can go in the organization.

953
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,320
Speaker 3: And it was a unique approach. I'm not sure it's

954
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,599
an approach that would work today, but he would push

955
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,239
them hard, hard, hard. I also had, you know, a

956
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:26,679
female boss at another media company, and she, you know,

957
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:32,840
constantly would challenge, challenge, challenge, challenge, many times on basic things.

958
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:34,320
She just wanted to make sure that you thought it

959
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,679
through and she wanted to make sure that you were

960
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,800
going to stand by your conviction. Just looking for those

961
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,039
people who didn't want conflict that said, you know what,

962
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:43,480
you're right, this doesn't matter.

963
00:46:43,519 --> 00:46:45,519
Speaker 2: I don't want to get bill this raise. He doesn't

964
00:46:45,519 --> 00:46:48,199
really deserve it. You're right, yeah, And that was and

965
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,280
those are not the people that you really want standing

966
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,679
by it, right, Those are not the ones Kevin. This

967
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,639
has been great. I think that I don't know what

968
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,280
plans are for Kevin LEA Grett, but I see Kevin

969
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:03,559
LEC Gret consult thing concernedly thrive or is there a book?

970
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Is there a book coming? I think I'm going to

971
00:47:06,119 --> 00:47:07,559
you know a lot of authors and things. I mean,

972
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:08,519
I know you know people.

973
00:47:08,679 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 3: I think I'm going to be the executive producer of

974
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,599
BILLI five oh, are put together some sales org here

975
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:19,679
to that would be amazing and maybe gets you some

976
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,519
help so you're not doing the video, the audio and

977
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:24,199
lighting up the guests.

978
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,639
Speaker 2: It is. It has been a one man band and

979
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:28,599
labor of love. Though you can see that you love it.

980
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:31,840
I do love it. Uh. It's what I've always enjoyed.

981
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,960
And the podcast has been better than I I didn't

982
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:38,639
know what to expect, right, So you don't really know, uh,

983
00:47:38,679 --> 00:47:42,480
and it's been It's been successful in the podcast world.

984
00:47:42,519 --> 00:47:45,119
When you look at what podcasts get on numbers on

985
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,119
nationally and go outside the Rogans and the you know

986
00:47:48,519 --> 00:47:51,480
other people call her daddy and things like that or whatever,

987
00:47:51,519 --> 00:47:55,280
it is. Uh, is it good? Yeah? Ex camera, Yeah,

988
00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:00,360
those podcasts do huge, huge numbers. But they're far and

989
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,800
few between, and you look and once did you get

990
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,000
a niche? And then it's just growing it. And I

991
00:48:05,039 --> 00:48:09,840
would love to at some point have an entire production company.

992
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:12,320
I would love to have my own building that I own.

993
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:14,760
I'd love to have edit sweets for video. I'd love

994
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,360
to be doing some docuseries and continue on. That is

995
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:19,559
kind of my goal with that.

996
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 3: Just remember Dave port and only started off doing blogs.

997
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:25,960
You can do whatever you put your mind too, well,

998
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,599
I believe that build it out, Yeah, and seriously, it's

999
00:48:28,639 --> 00:48:31,480
about passion. It's about having people who believe in you,

1000
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,800
and it's about building out something that's sustainable well at

1001
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:40,320
the same time being able to energize your audience, and

1002
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,039
that audience will follow you anywhere. I mean, I was

1003
00:48:42,079 --> 00:48:44,960
reading an article this morning about Pat McAfee and how

1004
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:48,840
high those numbers grew for college game Day this year,

1005
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,360
and they're attributing all of them to Pat McAfee because

1006
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,440
all of those numbers are eighteen, twenty four, twenty one,

1007
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,079
thirty four, and they're coming from They're not coming for

1008
00:48:59,199 --> 00:49:03,280
Nick Sabe. But even though Nick Saban's been unbelievably yeah, I.

1009
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 2: Agree with but it's also great that Saban. Uh. I

1010
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:12,039
don't know if Saban was aware of his face and

1011
00:49:12,679 --> 00:49:16,760
low reaction to things like he just doesn't really react right.

1012
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,360
Everybody else jumped around and that was highlighted by McAfee,

1013
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:23,719
which just you know what I'm saying, And but Saban

1014
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,880
embraced that and it kind of had made him more

1015
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:30,840
an endearing character. Question. I think the commercial for Airbnb

1016
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,800
with him where he's mowing the lawn and you know,

1017
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,119
no one won't showers more than five minutes is kind

1018
00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:37,159
of the guy we expect him to be great and

1019
00:49:37,599 --> 00:49:41,199
to put that guy, I mean, all comedy is is

1020
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:44,360
taking that guy and putting him in a situation that's uncomfortable, right,

1021
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:46,599
I mean, you know, a hot chicken. There's a yoga

1022
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:48,639
studio down here. Some of the guys on the podcast

1023
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:50,679
we have to pause because they all have to watch

1024
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:53,719
the yoga girls leave. Right when you had Jimmy in

1025
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:57,719
here a couple of weeks, he paused, Yeah, So the uh,

1026
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,519
what I'll always say to these guys if you pointed

1027
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:03,519
out one of them and said, oh, and this is terrible,

1028
00:50:03,519 --> 00:50:06,079
what a slut? Nobody thinks anything. But if all of

1029
00:50:06,079 --> 00:50:08,840
a sudden, somebody who's coming to the chiropractor that's also

1030
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:11,639
down there, and they're old and they got a cane

1031
00:50:11,679 --> 00:50:13,840
and they're hunched over and go, man, want to slut

1032
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:16,800
that woman? Is that's funny because it's the diconomy. And

1033
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,360
I think that's really what McAfee has brought. I mean,

1034
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,199
that's without even knowing it's just his personality.

1035
00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm very proud of the fact that in I

1036
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,519
think it was twenty ten or twenty eleven, I was

1037
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:31,079
overseeing the Indianapolis market and a gentleman named Rick Green

1038
00:50:31,119 --> 00:50:34,119
and I were approached by a morning show Bob and

1039
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:35,519
Tom and Tom.

1040
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 2: Griswold, who really was.

1041
00:50:38,519 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 3: Leading that show when it came to adding things, came

1042
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,559
to us and he said, Hey, I really want to

1043
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,679
put this guy in the air with us. We need

1044
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,159
about twelve thousand dollars during the football season, and we're like, well,

1045
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,039
who's the person he's aid the punter for the Indiapolis Colts.

1046
00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,159
Can I go, are you kidding me?

1047
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,599
Speaker 2: Like a punter? You gotta be kidding me?

1048
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 3: Like I ran the Buffalo Bills Radio network had Doug Flutie.

1049
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,400
I'm brother, you know, I had Drew Black, So I'm

1050
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:03,400
like the punter. What are you talking this guy's character? Man,

1051
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,679
He had just gotten arrested for jumping in the river

1052
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,440
and he was intoxicated. And so Rick and I went

1053
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,760
back and forth, and Tom kept kept being really passionate.

1054
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:12,360
He came in the next day, so I said, let's

1055
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,079
give it a try. And that's how Pat McVay started.

1056
00:51:15,119 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: You're kidding me, he I would never ever give the

1057
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,280
credit for it, but it started with the Bob and

1058
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:24,679
Tom Show, and as the executive what was the division

1059
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,840
president of Indianapolis at the time, I signed off on

1060
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,079
the deal and we did Pat McVay. Wow. Ye.

1061
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,079
Speaker 3: Look, I'm sure that if I if I saw Pat

1062
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:34,519
and I talked to him, he would remember that because

1063
00:51:34,519 --> 00:51:36,239
I didn't meet him several times when he would come

1064
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:39,320
in and be on Bob and Tom. But what he's

1065
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:41,679
been able to do is been it's been truly amazing.

1066
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:42,079
Speaker 2: Wow.

1067
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,679
Speaker 3: And you know the best part about it, he was

1068
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,000
really really smart that he did it as his own business. Yes,

1069
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,400
it was almost like years ago. We used to talk

1070
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,159
with that program director. I forget what his name was,

1071
00:51:53,159 --> 00:51:55,599
but he used to always talk about Charles Locodera and

1072
00:51:55,639 --> 00:52:00,280
the Big Mattress Show. And yeah, Charles owned that entire

1073
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:01,639
so that guy's name.

1074
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,119
Speaker 2: Was like you do, Harry, wasn't it Jacobs?

1075
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:08,079
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, dark dark time.

1076
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,639
Speaker 2: Oh god, I was so positive this whole thing. You

1077
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,800
might cut that out. No, there was a time where

1078
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,360
I talked about him and I made fun of him

1079
00:52:20,639 --> 00:52:24,280
on when I was doing mornings on CMF and they

1080
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,400
got a call. I think we tried to call him

1081
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,360
and he didn't want to come on or whatever it was.

1082
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:33,039
He threatened. He threatened something like some lawsuit or something,

1083
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,079
and I was like, that's not what this was. I

1084
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:39,119
only said dark dark period, and well I did. I

1085
00:52:39,159 --> 00:52:41,920
just said that. Well, thank you for giving me some time.

1086
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,920
I know that. It's great. It's great seeing you as well.

1087
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,559
And uh, I got to tell you. You know, I've

1088
00:52:47,599 --> 00:52:51,519
been making a lot of changes for myself right in here,

1089
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,960
and they for me, uh, probably started at the end

1090
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,480
of October. And uh, it's been a it's been it's

1091
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,719
been kind of I guess a grind. I don't know

1092
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,440
what it's been, but it's been interesting. It's been fun,

1093
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,000
and I've seen progress. And then talking to guys like you,

1094
00:53:07,079 --> 00:53:08,320
it just makes it so much better.

1095
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:11,679
Speaker 3: Life only life only throws obstacles at you that they're

1096
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:14,000
sure that you can handle if you're willing to accept

1097
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:14,519
the challenge.

1098
00:53:14,599 --> 00:53:19,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would believe that, Absolutely believe that. For Kevin Legret,

1099
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,159
let's go. Oh, I can't believe I got him on

1100
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:25,559
the podcast, who once called me and said, you've had Charlie,

1101
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:29,760
you've had Greg, You've had when's my turn?

1102
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 3: Yes?

1103
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: I am getting When am I getting on? Right? Greg

1104
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:35,920
Connors doesn't know as much about the bills as I do.

1105
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,000
Come on, well, I don't know Greg. Greg. I always

1106
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,599
say he's going to be the future owner, but I'm

1107
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:44,760
not sure that would be awesome he is, So watching

1108
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:48,119
a game with Greg is an interesting Uh, that's a task.

1109
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,320
I'll come on anytime. You would do it for my life?

1110
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,320
All right, that'd be great for Kevin Lagret. I'm Bill Moran.

1111
00:53:54,440 --> 00:53:56,000
I'll see you tomorrow.

1112
00:53:58,519 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 3: Califonia down Worth is the land up opportunity?

1113
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,599
Speaker 2: For me? Is just a cursey tell that you don't

1114
00:54:04,639 --> 00:54:06,639
makers Field. I don't have to wa