Speaker 1: Okay, I've gotten through the jet lag. It's been over
Speaker 1: a week now since we've come back from since I've
Speaker 1: come back from Turkey, and I am getting back on board.
Speaker 1: And I gotta say, Turkey is a fabulous country to visit.
Speaker 1: And this was the first time we did the Grand
Speaker 1: Turkey Tour with a great group of people. There were
Speaker 1: some highs and lows. We had a a new tour
Speaker 1: guide who didn't understand our reluctance to do a great
Speaker 1: deal of walking and one hundred degree heat and so,
Speaker 1: but everybody was great. Met some new people, met some
Speaker 1: old friends. And those of you listening, you guys rocked.
Speaker 1: You really did. You were fantastic, and I believe to
Speaker 1: a person, everyone enjoyed the tour. I want to mention
Speaker 1: also that Turkey surprisingly is very very produced oriented. They
Speaker 1: grow fruits and vegetables and seeds and nuts, and they
Speaker 1: even grow wine grapes, and this was a very big
Speaker 1: shock to me. They We did a wine tasting at
Speaker 1: one of the monasteries we visited, and surprisingly the wine
Speaker 1: was who was superb. I even brought a bottle of
Speaker 1: white to bring back with me when it's hot, when
Speaker 1: it's over one hundred degrees. A cool wine was good,
Speaker 1: so they had a chardonnay, and they had a couple
Speaker 1: souvignon blancs that I tried and they were excellent. So
Speaker 1: they are They're producing some varietals, some grapes that are outstanding,
Speaker 1: and this was a surprise to me. The other thing
Speaker 1: is it's a very highly educated country and their exports
Speaker 1: are over a trillion dollars, and this is I mean,
Speaker 1: it leads to great satisfaction. People had smiles on their face.
Speaker 1: This was the first time I had been to Turkey,
Speaker 1: and we were in Istanbul for a day, a couple
Speaker 1: of days. Wonderful city, bustling like anything you see in
Speaker 1: the Western cultures. Could be a page out of the
Speaker 1: United States or in England, France, Germany, wherever. It is
Speaker 1: a very industrialized, sophisticated country. And I was pleasantly surprised
Speaker 1: and we enjoyed our Now I am going to be
Speaker 1: posting a number of photographs. I've already posted a series
Speaker 1: of galleries on the Facebook page. The first one was
Speaker 1: of Carahan Teppe, not necessarily the locations because we were
Speaker 1: restricted in taking photos of the recent digs. And we
Speaker 1: got there and they were actually excavating part of it.
Speaker 1: We got a chance to get up close and personal.
Speaker 1: But the local museums have an outstanding collection of artifacts
Speaker 1: and I've posted one of these on the Facebook page.
Speaker 1: If you go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients. I
Speaker 1: have the international and the group page. Both have galleries.
Speaker 1: And then we had a chance to go to darren Kuru,
Speaker 1: the Underground City, and that was that was an eye
Speaker 1: opener and there's some really unique features to this place,
Speaker 1: and I want to mention this. This is something that
Speaker 1: is really hard to explain. I have issues with claustrophobia,
Speaker 1: and I've just bit my lip and gone through different
Speaker 1: tunnels systems in pyramids and in Mexico we were under
Speaker 1: the tunnel of the Serpent Pyramid. But at Darren Curru
Speaker 1: you drop down different levels through small passages that are
Speaker 1: cut out of solid bedrock. And as you see these photographs,
Speaker 1: you can see you can envision getting a little nervous
Speaker 1: as you're in a group and you're dropping down to
Speaker 1: you know, deeper levels into the dwelling. And so some
Speaker 1: of the photographs that I have of Darren Curru show this,
Speaker 1: but they also show these vents and this is what
Speaker 1: is fascinating about this location. They engineered a way to
Speaker 1: get fresh air down to some of the lowest levels.
Speaker 1: And I got to tell you, if somebody who has
Speaker 1: issues around craft spaces with lots of people, that fresh
Speaker 1: air makes a huge psychological difference. And whoever built Darren
Speaker 1: Curru understood this dynamic. And these vents bring in fresh
Speaker 1: air that's cool in some manner. I mean, we were
Speaker 1: there and it must have been in the high nineties,
Speaker 1: perhaps closer to one hundred degrees and we started our
Speaker 1: descent with our guide into darrenk Curu and I was
Speaker 1: looking at this as we were squeezing our way down
Speaker 1: into the first level, and I was thinking, I don't
Speaker 1: know how far I can go because I don't like
Speaker 1: to be squeezed and have the roof collapse on me.
Speaker 1: But it's not made for temporary use. Apparently people lived
Speaker 1: decades in these chambers and they're very sophisticated in many
Speaker 1: levels and other level and others and for some maybe
Speaker 1: not so much. But it was an experience and I appreciated.
Speaker 1: You got to see the photographs of how they carve this.
Speaker 1: And this is something that's very strange about Turkey is
Speaker 1: that Darren k Cureu's floor is cut out of bedrock,
Speaker 1: but it's smooth, like they've poured cement. We see the
Speaker 1: same thing at go Beckley Teppe, at Carahan Teppe, and
Speaker 1: a lot of these outdoor Neolithic sites. They've dug down
Speaker 1: into the bedrock and they've smoothed and chipped away at
Speaker 1: the floor, so it's almost like you're walking on a
Speaker 1: cement pathway. They must have just spent man hours going
Speaker 1: through and doing this. So fantastic. We're gonna be doing
Speaker 1: this again. I'm hoping in the next year or two
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a regular tour for us. I'd
Speaker 1: like to go at another time other than August because
Speaker 1: it's very, very high. But I'll tell you the museums
Speaker 1: alone are world class. The sites are world class, and
Speaker 1: the food, the atmosphere and the people are very engaging,
Speaker 1: very friendly, and it's a place not to miss. If
Speaker 1: you can go and see these sites, you should try
Speaker 1: to come, either with Earth Ancients or with other groups.
Speaker 1: I'll say this, if you come with Earth Ancients, you're
Speaker 1: gonna get the best price ever, because we negotiate, we
Speaker 1: work at our numbers so that you can get there
Speaker 1: and then enjoy it without spending a mortgage of a home,
Speaker 1: because it can. Some of these tours are crazy. So
Speaker 1: the first annual Grand Turkey Tour was a success. And
Speaker 1: if you want to see the photographs, you need to
Speaker 1: go to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients, look at Darren Kuru,
Speaker 1: look at go Beckley Teppe, look at the figures of
Speaker 1: karahand Teppy. And as a note, in the next I
Speaker 1: think thirty days, we're gonna have author Andrew Collins who's
Speaker 1: just finished a book on karahand Teppy, and some of
Speaker 1: the spectacular artifacts are in that book, but he has
Speaker 1: developed some theories and some ideas on just what was
Speaker 1: happening in karahant Teppy because although karahnd Teppy and Go
Speaker 1: Beckley Teppy are similar, Karahan Teppe has some unusual features
Speaker 1: that are beginning to come up as they're analyzing not
Speaker 1: only the figures, sculptures and artifacts that have been found there,
Speaker 1: but just how it was cut into the bedrock and
Speaker 1: how these T shaped columns were used for perhaps astronomic
Speaker 1: observation or whatever. It's just a fascinating view. And you
Speaker 1: got to remember, Go Beckley Teppe is the what they
Speaker 1: think the inception data is Karahan. Teppy's a little bit younger,
Speaker 1: but perhaps by a thousand years. They're all very very
Speaker 1: very old and fascinating. So check that out. And by
Speaker 1: the way, if you're interested in any of the Earth
Speaker 1: Ancients tours, go to Earth Ancients dot com, Forward Slash Tours,
Speaker 1: t o u r s great fun. My guest today
Speaker 1: is a megalithic researcher and I've been following his work
Speaker 1: for a while. The theme of the show is Megalithic marvels,
Speaker 1: and my guest is Derek Olsen. He has I've actually
Speaker 1: been on his podcast. He's got a podcast called stargate
Speaker 1: Voyager Podcast and the program today is revolves around his
Speaker 1: visits to Peru, to be to Egypt and also Neolithic
Speaker 1: England and his discoveries and his profiling of some of
Speaker 1: the places that he's been are fabulous. And if you
Speaker 1: haven't heard of stargate Voyager, you can see his work
Speaker 1: on YouTube go to stargate Voyager and also Facebook, and
Speaker 1: also he's got a collection of works on Instagram. But
Speaker 1: what he's discovered, what he has chronicle, i should say,
Speaker 1: is the great Stonemasonry that goes into these huge megalithic walls,
Speaker 1: temples and standing edifices for markers and things like that,
Speaker 1: and more importantly, the refined nature of the carving in
Speaker 1: these works. In other words, it isn't anything that we
Speaker 1: can we can put our hands on. We can we
Speaker 1: can decide accurately how and by what means these stones
Speaker 1: were cut. And so his first edition, his first work
Speaker 1: in discovering Megalists, was in Megalithic Marvels, and strangely, and
Speaker 1: we'll talk about this today, the censors on these social
Speaker 1: media pages decided for some reason that his work in
Speaker 1: posting these anomalies these megalists was unacceptable, and so they
Speaker 1: began shutting him down. And we're gonna learn about this today.
Speaker 1: There's no reason why this was done. And I have
Speaker 1: to say I have been somewhat lucky in our social
Speaker 1: media posts that even though we post the galleries of
Speaker 1: of megalists and unusual anomalies regarding Stonemasonry, we haven't been
Speaker 1: we haven't been threatened, we haven't been taken down like
Speaker 1: a lot of other people. And I don't know why
Speaker 1: they targeted Megalithic Marvels to the point where he had
Speaker 1: to change it, but we're gonna learn about this today.
Speaker 1: So today's program is Megalithic Marvels and my guest is
Speaker 1: Derek Olson. We're featuring an incredible opportunity to visit one
Speaker 1: of the real enigmas of the ancient world, and that
Speaker 1: is Easter Island in the Pacific Ocean. This is a
Speaker 1: new tour that we're doing. It looks like this will
Speaker 1: probably be the only chance we get to go because
Speaker 1: it's very challenging to get over there. But we're lucky
Speaker 1: because doctor Edwin Barnhardt, our host and our tour leader,
Speaker 1: has been surveying this island for over a number of
Speaker 1: years and has some really amazing insights on just how
Speaker 1: detailed and how complicated and how mysterious this island is
Speaker 1: going to be. March fifteenth through twenty third, I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask just a brief question or two because I
Speaker 1: obviously have never been there and I'm really excited to
Speaker 1: be a part of this. It was a highlight talk
Speaker 1: about the moi. There's a number of them, aren't there.
Speaker 2: There are so many moai there, it's outrageous. You see
Speaker 2: from coffee table books that there's lines of them. But
Speaker 2: in point of fact, there's over one thousand moi and
Speaker 2: they're spread all over the island. They're where ancient villages
Speaker 2: used to be. So we're gonna go visit a bunch
Speaker 2: of those. There's also the quarry. There's one quarry where
Speaker 2: almost all of them were made, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them are still half made lying in the quarry. That
Speaker 2: thing is just a sight to see how grew up briefly.
Speaker 1: And I didn't realize they have an observatory there. Is
Speaker 1: it a planetary or is it more of a setup
Speaker 1: for evening sites.
Speaker 2: It's a planetarium. It's a passion project by a man
Speaker 2: named EDMUNDO. Edwards who's been studying the archaeo astronomy of
Speaker 2: the island for his entire life, I think almost fifty
Speaker 2: years now. He knows more than anyone and he put
Speaker 2: together this planetarium to share this lifetime of knowledge with
Speaker 2: the visitors that come to the place.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. So March fifteenth to the twenty third, that is
Speaker 1: a week, and it sounds like we've really packed a
Speaker 1: lot in during those seven days, right, I.
Speaker 2: Tell you, For an island that's only twelve miles across,
Speaker 2: there is an endless amount of things to see.
Speaker 1: There looking forward to it. Fantastic all right. For more
Speaker 1: information to go to Earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours,
Speaker 1: look for the photo of Ed standing next to one
Speaker 1: of the big Mai sculptures and register as soon as
Speaker 1: you can again go to earth Anchiens dot com, forward
Speaker 1: slash tours. Thanks Ed, Thank you, Cliff. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of influencers out there who are talking about the ancient past.
Speaker 1: We've had a lot of people, a lot of authors
Speaker 1: on the program, but somebody I've been following for a while.
Speaker 1: We've actually talked about Derek Olsen. It used to be
Speaker 1: Megalithic Marvels. He's had to update his brand to Stargate Voyager,
Speaker 1: and we're going to talk about that in a minute.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to have Derek on the program because
Speaker 1: he is truly somebody who not only follows megalithic cultures
Speaker 1: and actually travels to these locations every year. And we're
Speaker 1: talking about South America, Europe and other ancient locations, and
Speaker 1: he tracks them and does really really cool videos and
Speaker 1: photo galleries throughout the internet. And what I want to
Speaker 1: have him on the program for today is the fact
Speaker 1: that why is he so interested in these megalithic sites
Speaker 1: number one and number two. The question for him is
Speaker 1: who are the people who left these remains? Now, we
Speaker 1: were at go Beckley Teppe just recently in Carahan Teppee
Speaker 1: and in the museums the portrayal of the people were
Speaker 1: like cavemen, and this was blowing me away. In Istanbul,
Speaker 1: we went to see the go Beckley Teppee museum and
Speaker 1: they had these guys in bear clothes and they look
Speaker 1: like cavemen, the typical caveman. And I'm thinking, are these
Speaker 1: the true people or is this just an interpretation? And
Speaker 1: I'm thinking more it's more likely that they these are
Speaker 1: an interpretation of these ancient people. So we're gonna find
Speaker 1: out a little bit about Derek's impression on our program today. So, Hey, Derek,
Speaker 1: welcome to Earth Ancient's great to see you, man.
Speaker 3: Hey Cliff, it's great to be here. Thanks so much
Speaker 3: for the invite. A longtime fan of you and the
Speaker 3: podcast and so yeah, just an honor to be here
Speaker 3: and excited about what we're going to get into. Whenever
Speaker 3: it comes to ancient history and architecture legends, man, I
Speaker 3: get excited. And so let's do this.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's talk about you, what is the inspiration
Speaker 1: behind I mean, you put your life into this, not
Speaker 1: only Facebook, Instagram and YouTube channels, but you do these
Speaker 1: wonderful tours. So talk about your interest personally. What does
Speaker 1: it start for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I was one of these aids. I
Speaker 3: always grew up fascinated by history, ancient architecture, reading about
Speaker 3: the ancient Egyptians, watching Indiana Jones, stuff like that. I
Speaker 3: think for me, I really took it to another level
Speaker 3: years ago, probably around twenty twelve or so. I was
Speaker 3: doing an Internet image search of ancient architecture one day.
Speaker 3: It must have been my day off, and I was
Speaker 3: probably using Google, and all these images pop up, and
Speaker 3: one caught my attention and I kind of leaned towards
Speaker 3: the screen and it was a photo of the megalithic
Speaker 3: walls of soak se Walman in Peru, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: what in the heck is that? And then I click
Speaker 3: on it start reading, and I guess back then even
Speaker 3: my critical thinking skills were somewhat activated, because I'm thinking
Speaker 3: this is far superior to any most of the other ancient,
Speaker 3: you know, architecture that you see when you're when you're
Speaker 3: viewing this stuff, and so I began to just read
Speaker 3: on what is this incredible engineering? And of course, you know,
Speaker 3: I was hit with a mainstream narrative that this was INCA.
Speaker 3: And then I stumbled upon some other articles and videos
Speaker 3: that this may may predate the INCA. And I'm thinking
Speaker 3: pre date the INCA. How have I never seen these
Speaker 3: photos in history class or read about them and you know, textbooks,
Speaker 3: And so that really just took me to a new
Speaker 3: level of research where I began to kind of connect
Speaker 3: the dots then to it appears there is even a
Speaker 3: hidden history involved here, and why why is it so
Speaker 3: hard for people to admit that this might predate to INCA.
Speaker 3: And so a couple of years after that, I found
Speaker 3: myself on a plane to Peru looking at these walls,
Speaker 3: myself touching them, collecting all this photographic and video evidence,
Speaker 3: and I had so much. I felt like I had
Speaker 3: so much new knowledge and so much footage that I
Speaker 3: just kind of began to launch these social media platforms,
Speaker 3: started a blog, and it was just crazy how it
Speaker 3: seemed to take off, that there was such a hunger
Speaker 3: for this kind of content and knowledge, and so I
Speaker 3: guess that's what kind of got me going, yeah, it
Speaker 3: was originally Megalithic Marvels dot com was my blog. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I had, you know, Instagram and Facebook channels called
Speaker 3: Megalithic Marvels and yeh. Since that, I've I kind of
Speaker 3: rebranded to the name Stargate Voyager.
Speaker 1: Let me stop you real quickly, Dereck talk about Megalithic Marvels,
Speaker 1: because something happened and I don't know if it's the
Speaker 1: editors decided that you're just too fringy and they stopped
Speaker 1: allowing you to post. I can't remember his Facebook or YouTube.
Speaker 1: This is a few years ago, and I remember I
Speaker 1: remember asking, dude, what's going on? Because you're You're branded
Speaker 1: as Megalithic Marvels and had a huge audience. I think
Speaker 1: you had a quarter million people on Instagram and YouTube.
Speaker 1: But what what do you think happened? Did you get?
Speaker 1: You got to slap in the hand, which is weird
Speaker 1: talk about it?
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, you know, my premiere platform, the last you know,
Speaker 3: the hint the first five plus years was Instagram, and
Speaker 3: that thing grew quickly. It seemed like the three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand plus and I was able to monetize and I
Speaker 3: was able to I was literally growing by thousands of
Speaker 3: you know, followers a month, posting videos of Megalithic marvels
Speaker 3: and posting videos. Well, suddenly I noticed that my stats
Speaker 3: were kind of flatlining, and then they were going down.
Speaker 3: You know, you can see your analytics. And then I
Speaker 3: was getting messages from people saying, hey, I can't find
Speaker 3: your content anymore, but I follow you. This is weird,
Speaker 3: and so I started to kind of look into it,
Speaker 3: and it sounded like I was what they call shadow band,
Speaker 3: where it appears that you're functioning, but really it's like
Speaker 3: they've hit a button and nobody can really find or
Speaker 3: see your stuff. And so, but then it got weirder
Speaker 3: to where I was getting messages from people saying, hey,
Speaker 3: have you seen what comes up if you type in
Speaker 3: megalithic Marvels? And so this was about two years now ago.
Speaker 3: If you typed in Megalithic Marvels and Instagram, an alert
Speaker 3: would come up that was even linking my account to
Speaker 3: like human trafficking.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you think that's about?
Speaker 3: And so from all, yeah, from all I could figure
Speaker 3: out is that Instagram and Facebook, you know, it's owned
Speaker 3: by Facebook or Meta. They had flagged the hashtag megalithic
Speaker 3: it appears, and that was the hashtag I used, you know,
Speaker 3: when featuring all my stuff, and that word was in
Speaker 3: my name as well, megalithic, And so it's almost like
Speaker 3: they determined that that word, just like they have other
Speaker 3: blacklisted words you can't say on Instagram or use as hashtags.
Speaker 3: It's like they blacklisted that word, and I'm assuming it's
Speaker 3: because it was directing people maybe to too much of
Speaker 3: the truth regarding our ancient past, right, and so being
Speaker 3: that they they banned that hashtag, it also seemed to
Speaker 3: simultaneously ban my account for a season to where it
Speaker 3: got so just messy and dark that I thought, you
Speaker 3: know what, it seemed like the only way to unlock
Speaker 3: this was to change the name. And so I, as
Speaker 3: much as I loved that name, Megalithic Marvels, I thought,
Speaker 3: you know, am i am? I totally married to this
Speaker 3: name for the sake of just because I love it,
Speaker 3: And I thought, you know what, getting the truth out
Speaker 3: and expanding is more important. So I changed the name
Speaker 3: and it seems to have worked. My account has now
Speaker 3: grown a little bit, it still has not been the same,
Speaker 3: you know, since all that happened two years ago. So
Speaker 3: a lot of my focus is now on YouTube, which
Speaker 3: I'm seeing the most traction ever on YouTube. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: so Instagram I still do some stuff, but it still
Speaker 3: seems pretty censored and controlled.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have big numbers on YouTube, you have.
Speaker 1: I think I looked at it last time. It was
Speaker 1: three hundred thousand subscribers and so on. But did you
Speaker 1: ever get a email that said that you were being
Speaker 1: censored because this was off limits material or was it?
Speaker 1: It sounds like it's very so what they were doing
Speaker 1: is like banning you and blocking people's availability to get
Speaker 1: your material.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, there was never any official explanation. And that's
Speaker 3: what's so frustrating. You know, you devote years to building
Speaker 3: a community on a platform which which is actually making
Speaker 3: them money, right because if you make money, they're making money,
Speaker 3: and so you build this incredible community and then they
Speaker 3: just start destroying it with censorship. And it happened to
Speaker 3: me on Facebook too. My Facebook actually grew even bigger
Speaker 3: than Instagram, but I was demonetized in like most of
Speaker 3: the categories there. And of course they never give you,
Speaker 3: you know, anything concrete. It just says you broke community
Speaker 3: guidelines and it's like, how did I break community guidelines?
Speaker 3: And it says, well, you shared content that wasn't original.
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, my content's original. Yeah, you could never
Speaker 3: get any specific answers. I guess I've learned you just
Speaker 3: kind of kind of shake it off and keep going,
Speaker 3: you know, because this kind of crap is going to happen.
Speaker 3: And so again, luckily YouTube has been good to me.
Speaker 3: And that's that's grown out over four hundred thousand actually,
Speaker 3: and so we're having fun moving trying to push the
Speaker 3: needle forward and and just awaken minds to how amazing
Speaker 3: history is and how there is hidden history involved too.
Speaker 1: I should also mention that you spun out your own podcast,
Speaker 1: Stargate Voyager Podcast, and that's very cool, and uh you
Speaker 1: have do you have? I think you have a stargate
Speaker 1: Voyager website too, which lists your tours pretty much yep, yep, stargate.
Speaker 3: Voager dot com. And then you can go to stargate
Speaker 3: Voyager dot com slash tours to see some of the
Speaker 3: tours we offer. Yeah, we just got back from Peru
Speaker 3: and Bolivia. It was incredible. We can get into some
Speaker 3: of that. And then in July I was with Hugh
Speaker 3: Newman on our Mysteries of England tour. That was wild.
Speaker 3: So some cool fundings from that we can talk about.
Speaker 3: And of course I did Egypt in May like you
Speaker 3: do Egypt, and I always come back from Egypt with
Speaker 3: I think, more questions than answers. But history is pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about Stonemasonry. This is something
Speaker 1: that you bring up and highlight in your photo posts
Speaker 1: as well as your video work. It looks to me
Speaker 1: and I really want your impression on this, that at
Speaker 1: some point in the distant past there was a technology
Speaker 1: that was perhaps universally adapted and we don't know how
Speaker 1: it works because we likely don't have the physics and
Speaker 1: the science. But this is cutting stone with a hot
Speaker 1: tool that looks like a scoop mark. And we see
Speaker 1: this technology in Cusco, we see it in the Sacred
Speaker 1: Valley of Peru, but we also see it in Egypt,
Speaker 1: in Greece, we see it in places like Stonehenge. Talk
Speaker 1: about your impressions of that and what you think it is,
Speaker 1: what technology you think it is?
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. Yeah, I was just at Stonehenge and yeah,
Speaker 3: right there on a few of these massive multi ton
Speaker 3: forty plus ton blocks. You see scoop marks early similar
Speaker 3: to what we see at Oyante Tambo in Peru, saksimmon
Speaker 3: Or in Egypt. One of my favorite places in Egypt,
Speaker 3: and we've talked about this before when I've had you
Speaker 3: on my show is the as One quarry, Right. I
Speaker 3: like to refer to that as kind of the smoking
Speaker 3: gun because and it was really cool. On my last tour,
Speaker 3: I had a couple of guys that came together as
Speaker 3: buddies and for some reason, and they kind of missed
Speaker 3: the memo on what kind of tour I had like yours,
Speaker 3: And obviously my tours are all about finding evidence of
Speaker 3: lost technology. Yeah, well, these guys were clearly coming from
Speaker 3: a mainstream kind of point of view, and they were
Speaker 3: awesome guys and they loved history. And that's that's what
Speaker 3: I love about our tours is you know, we all
Speaker 3: come from these different backgrounds, but what unites us is
Speaker 3: our love for history. So even if you're not into
Speaker 3: we're buying the whole ancient technology thing, that's cool. Yeah,
Speaker 3: let's focus on how amazing everything is we're seeing. But
Speaker 3: they were kind of pushing back in our discussions about
Speaker 3: there wasn't really ancient technology. It was just the Egyptians,
Speaker 3: you know, using chisels and hammers and lots of hard
Speaker 3: work and and so you know, okay, we'll just agree
Speaker 3: to disagree. But when we got to the Aswan Quarry
Speaker 3: near the end of our tour, the highlight of my
Speaker 3: tour was having one of these guys see his eyes
Speaker 3: kind of get this big because we walk down around
Speaker 3: the unfinished obelisk, and if you've ever done that, there's
Speaker 3: also a mini obelisk behind it. And if you walk
Speaker 3: around these and this is rose granite. This was where
Speaker 3: all the granite in Egypt comes from, this one place.
Speaker 3: Even the giant fifty plus ton blocks in the Great
Speaker 3: Pyramids King Chamber come all the way from the Asuan Quarry,
Speaker 3: what eight plus hours away by car, right, And so
Speaker 3: you get into this quarry, you're walking around and it's
Speaker 3: the smoking gun because when you get up to the
Speaker 3: edge of those unfinished obelisks, you see one meter scoop
Speaker 3: marks that go all the way around one meter smooth
Speaker 3: scoop marks like a giant shovel crane pierced into granite
Speaker 3: like it was marshmallow, reached down and pulled out a
Speaker 3: chunk and pulled it out. And this guy saw that
Speaker 3: and he shakes his head and he looks at me
Speaker 3: and he just nods and he goes lost ancient technology.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 3: And it was like another one. Yes. But again that's
Speaker 3: one of the greatest examples of Yes. The Dynastic Egyptians
Speaker 3: were incredible civilization and they did incredible feats with the
Speaker 3: temples they built. But when you get to these sites
Speaker 3: like the Aswan Quarry and you're looking at rose granite,
Speaker 3: which is like a seven or eight on the most
Speaker 3: scale of hardness, with diamond being a ten. Okay, And
Speaker 3: if you look at the archaeological record, the Dynastic Egyptians had,
Speaker 3: you know, copper chisels and hammer as we're talking three
Speaker 3: or four on the most scale. That's way softer tools
Speaker 3: than this extremely hard material. It's full of crystal. Yeah,
Speaker 3: So number one, how would a chisel and hammer even
Speaker 3: penetrate it? But then when you just see the scale
Speaker 3: of these one meter scoot marks, you know that was
Speaker 3: no chisel or hammer. That was some kind of machine
Speaker 3: like tool, And how do you describe it? And then
Speaker 3: if you go to Peru, where I was just at
Speaker 3: and you go into these not just the incredible sights
Speaker 3: like Machu Picchu or Soaksiweman, but way off the beaten path,
Speaker 3: into what I call Peru's meglithic cave of mystery. It's
Speaker 3: called Napa Iglesia or Napa Juaca. It's this giant trapezoidal
Speaker 3: cave high in the remote andes. You walk into it
Speaker 3: and you literally see what looks like a stargate that's
Speaker 3: five D layered cut into the face of this mountain.
Speaker 3: It's like a doorway into the mountain. No power tool
Speaker 3: could have made it up that high with a long
Speaker 3: enough co right, good fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is precision.
Speaker 3: And I hate to use the phrase laser like, but
Speaker 3: it's laser like precision. So we see these sites into
Speaker 3: with these incredible cuts in evidence of markings. Like I said,
Speaker 3: the scoops. You consider the tools that the so called
Speaker 3: culture has had at the time. Who get the credit
Speaker 3: from making it? Their tools are always softer. Who did
Speaker 3: this and how so? Yeah, I love to document this
Speaker 3: stuff on my channels, do videos about it and just
Speaker 3: get people thinking. And I'm not one that claims they
Speaker 3: have all the answers. I just like to ask a
Speaker 3: lot of questions, and it's amazing to see the comments
Speaker 3: that come in on this stuff.
Speaker 1: Great observation. One of the things that I have seen
Speaker 1: on your channel as well as Hugh Newman, but mostly you,
Speaker 1: because you seem to be chronicling these what I call
Speaker 1: these stone posts. And you'll have a a ten ton
Speaker 1: stone cut to fit a wall, and then at the
Speaker 1: very bottom or on part of the surface, there's a
Speaker 1: little post, a little knob. And this is not just
Speaker 1: found in Peru. It's also found in places like the
Speaker 1: Osarian in the stone work there. In Egypt we see
Speaker 1: we see it on the on the casting stones at
Speaker 1: the Great Pyramid. What can that be? What do you
Speaker 1: what do you theorize that post is all about? Because
Speaker 1: it's not simply a decorative kind of a feature, because
Speaker 1: it doesn't really fit. It's more like a function of
Speaker 1: the cutting of the stone. When you say.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're you're talking about like the nub nubbed knobs, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean there's so many theories about these. The mainstream
Speaker 3: often says, well, these were steps so that they could
Speaker 3: get high, but yeah, right, and that may have been
Speaker 3: on more you know, later primitive stuff, but again you
Speaker 3: see these nubs up close. One theory that's kind of
Speaker 3: got my wheels spinning, having just been in Peru, is that,
Speaker 3: you know, when you look at these pillow like stones,
Speaker 3: it seemed to have almost been softened. Again, there's a
Speaker 3: lot of theories that they had the ability of these
Speaker 3: ancients to soften the stone. So if they could soften
Speaker 3: the stone, did they have some kind of technological device
Speaker 3: that they would inject something into the stone and then
Speaker 3: when they pulled it out that left this protruding marshmallow
Speaker 3: look nub at least on the Peruvian stones. I thought
Speaker 3: that was an interesting theory. But then if you go
Speaker 3: to like the corey Kanca, this incredible. It was the
Speaker 3: Inca's crowned It was their capitol building right there in Cusco,
Speaker 3: which has gotten now a Catholic church built on top
Speaker 3: of it. But you go up to the second level
Speaker 3: of the outside wall of the cor Contia and it's
Speaker 3: got these incredible squared precision nubs, like extreme tetris of
Speaker 3: the ancients coming out of the walls, and so that
Speaker 3: almost has a different feel. And my guide Roomy in
Speaker 3: Peru he believes that some of the more squared nubs.
Speaker 3: It was almost like this is a bad word to
Speaker 3: use braille, but it was almost like an ancient writing
Speaker 3: system that the ancients used, especially during the solstices when
Speaker 3: the shadows would hit, it would basically spell something or
Speaker 3: speak something huh. And so I found that very interesting.
Speaker 3: But there's I love filming these nubs. I was just
Speaker 3: at I just posted a video at Oyante Tambo kind
Speaker 3: of underneath the temple of the Condor there and there's
Speaker 3: just all these It's what the INCA called these wakas.
Speaker 3: There are the precision cutouts that look like altars or
Speaker 3: almost consoles, but often above them you see, like at
Speaker 3: this one spot on oy Antietamoa, there's a grouping of
Speaker 3: four nubs coming out perfect again, kind of like it
Speaker 3: was some kind of ancient Braille communication system, I guess
Speaker 3: is the point. But there is so much going on
Speaker 3: in Peru, and I definitely wanted to talk about the
Speaker 3: legend of the hunt on Pacha. The three worlds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk about that. Let's talk about that now.
Speaker 1: And I was gonna bring that up. That's his Suscamara,
Speaker 1: his father came up with the three worlds. Go ahead
Speaker 1: and brief us on those because that kind of fits
Speaker 1: perfectly with the Stonemasonry. The only issue I have with
Speaker 1: it is the dates don't seem to be jiving. The
Speaker 1: three worlds, the oldest being I think one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: years where where to me it's like exceedingly older than that.
Speaker 1: But go ahead and describe the three world hypothesis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't I loosely attribute, you know, dating
Speaker 3: to this. I think the more important thing is just
Speaker 3: I like how this theory kind of points out at
Speaker 3: least in proved of three different styles of architecture. Yes,
Speaker 3: but this also correlates to Egypt and everywhere. So in
Speaker 3: Peru you've got the legend of the Hanan Pasha or
Speaker 3: the three worlds. And again Hasius Gammar and his father
Speaker 3: are the ones that really kind of spelled this out
Speaker 3: on paper. So first of all, you've got the Hanan Patsha.
Speaker 3: This is the first culture. This is what we would
Speaker 3: consider in Egypt. Or Mohammad would say this was the Prediluvians,
Speaker 3: right right, And this was some ancient culture who had
Speaker 3: ancient technology that could literally shape the bedrock and the
Speaker 3: mountains themselves. And so for example, I'll tell you a
Speaker 3: crazy story in a second about this cave megalithic cave
Speaker 3: of mystery that I just mentioned, Napa Iglesia. This would
Speaker 3: be an example of Hanan Patcha, or the first culture,
Speaker 3: where they could literally go into a cave with whatever
Speaker 3: ancient technology or tools they have and shape it with
Speaker 3: laser like precision, like literally cut a rock face. They
Speaker 3: could take this giant boulder that's near the entrance of
Speaker 3: the cave and they just shaped it into look like
Speaker 3: a sci fi altar or console in a spaceship. As
Speaker 3: crazy as that sounds, that would be the hanan Patcha.
Speaker 3: This also refers to the highest of the three worlds
Speaker 3: or the highest of three levels of consciousness in the
Speaker 3: Inca frame of mind, and this is represented by the condor,
Speaker 3: which you see embedded everyone where one of my favorite sites,
Speaker 3: oy Ante Tambo, there's a section along the bottom called
Speaker 3: the Temple of the Condor, and you look up and
Speaker 3: the massive mountainous outcropping has literally been shaped into a
Speaker 3: giant condor. They could shape the mountains so you This
Speaker 3: is the hanan Pacha. The second level would be the
Speaker 3: Urun Pachya. This is considered the second culture in this
Speaker 3: theory and these this was a later culture, but they
Speaker 3: still had a formative of advanced technology. Maybe they weren't
Speaker 3: necessarily shaping the mountains and the rock outcroppings, but they
Speaker 3: were building these precision, morderless walls at the base of
Speaker 3: Machu Pichu at sak Sewoman, and this is considered the
Speaker 3: mid level of consciousness represented by the puma, which you
Speaker 3: see embedded everywhere at Sakhsee Woman. One of the most
Speaker 3: famous things to see is what looks like a puma
Speaker 3: paw that's literally, uh, you know, hell up like this
Speaker 3: right in the middle of the walls. I can send
Speaker 3: you pictures. And even in Oyante Tambo, the sun gate
Speaker 3: at the very top of the site. You know, it's
Speaker 3: got these huge protrusions coming out of it. If you
Speaker 3: look close, it appears that those were actual puma heads
Speaker 3: with bodies right there on this wall, and then sadly
Speaker 3: the Spanish defaced them, so then now they just kind
Speaker 3: of look like big old marshmallows coming out. But those
Speaker 3: likely were once literal puma faces with a body, and
Speaker 3: that wall was covered with gold and silver, and then
Speaker 3: the moonlight it would shine like a citadel up on
Speaker 3: that hill, and so there's so much there and then
Speaker 3: you've got the third level of the Ukan Pacha. This
Speaker 3: would be considered the wary or the Inca builders, building
Speaker 3: on top of the two previous ancient engineering. So the
Speaker 3: Inca had, you know, ons in copper chasels and stone hammers,
Speaker 3: and they were trying to replicate the previous works. They
Speaker 3: were doing the best they had with what they had.
Speaker 3: But this is also considered the lowest level of the underworld,
Speaker 3: and it's represented by the serpent, and it's interesting downtown
Speaker 3: Custco you see these serpent effigies all over the walls,
Speaker 3: and but it's also cool how the Inca seemingly did
Speaker 3: not interfere or alter the works of the older cultures.
Speaker 1: You see that on the walls, you see the Inca
Speaker 1: of a very rudimentary stone work, and then you see
Speaker 1: the second phase, and then you see the first phase,
Speaker 1: which is everything that's everything's been built on top of
Speaker 1: the first phase. I think you see that really well
Speaker 1: at Machu Pichu.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. Machi Pichi is an incredible example of
Speaker 3: seeing all three of these levels or worlds, because most
Speaker 3: people don't realize. If you look at photos of Machu Pichu,
Speaker 3: you know, ninety percent of what you're gonna see is
Speaker 3: inco stonework. And it looks cool with the jagged mountains
Speaker 3: in the back drop, right, but it's really just small
Speaker 3: rough stones and mortar mixed together. But literally, if you're
Speaker 3: walking through Machu Pitch, you and you your eyes trained,
Speaker 3: about from the base to four feet up is precision
Speaker 3: mortarless white granite foundations. It stops about four feet up
Speaker 3: and then the Inca stuff is built right on top.
Speaker 3: And so again one of the million dollar questions is
Speaker 3: if the Inca made it all as we're told, why
Speaker 3: wouldn't they made it all out of the impenetrable anti
Speaker 3: earthquake style right exactly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Another thing that Gamara brings up that I'd like
Speaker 1: to hear from you about is the three worlds, but
Speaker 1: also the expanding Earth theory, because I believe part of
Speaker 1: the theory is in the very beginning, the Earth was small,
Speaker 1: and it either got bumped out of its orbit and
Speaker 1: it got the further away from the Sun it got,
Speaker 1: it kept expanding and expanding and expanding. I think some
Speaker 1: other authors have picked up this theory. But if the
Speaker 1: Earth was a smaller size, the gravity would be different
Speaker 1: and the thinking is this is where the giants came in,
Speaker 1: because you could have less gravity and have bigger humans,
Speaker 1: have bigger animals, ultimately the dinosaurs. But what do you
Speaker 1: say about that the three world?
Speaker 3: You know, I haven't looked into that whole expanding earth
Speaker 3: theory part too much. Yeah, I find that very interesting.
Speaker 3: But I will say that the Inca, it's so crazy
Speaker 3: how they I said, they called a lot of these
Speaker 3: places wakas. And this is where you see again what
Speaker 3: would be considered the hun On Patscha right texture. You
Speaker 3: can go into the high Cusco highlands and you'll see
Speaker 3: just rock protrusions coming out of the earth and it
Speaker 3: looks like they were again precision, almost laser like cut.
Speaker 3: It looks like an altar. Well. According to the Inca,
Speaker 3: they called them wakas or these holy places. And so
Speaker 3: one of the craziest things I've been looking into lately
Speaker 3: from my last couple of trips is how the Inca
Speaker 3: venerated these elongated skulled mummies. And there's a connection to
Speaker 3: the Parracus civilization. I believe that preceded the Inca. But
Speaker 3: again back to this cave, not ba Waka. Excuse me
Speaker 3: if you go there and you learn the legends of
Speaker 3: this place from the guides that know the real history,
Speaker 3: like some of the guides we use. And I was
Speaker 3: on a tour there with Brian Forster years ago and
Speaker 3: had a crazy experience at this cave where we get
Speaker 3: up to this cave and there was like this shaman
Speaker 3: assistant guide with us, and he was saying, Hey, nobody
Speaker 3: can go into this cave until I've sprayed you with
Speaker 3: my incense because this is a holy place. And so
Speaker 3: we go through all the motions and we get in
Speaker 3: there and we're just amazed by what we're seeing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: Well, then he proceeds to tell us why the Inca
Speaker 3: venerated this place, and he begins to share how you know,
Speaker 3: the Inca, they would on the solstice, they would come
Speaker 3: to this place and it was known as the place
Speaker 3: of the Key, and he would say, he said, how
Speaker 3: do you get the key? Will you sit down at
Speaker 3: the altered looking console place, and you place your head
Speaker 3: against this hole that comes through it, and he explained
Speaker 3: how the knowledge would we passed through the hole into
Speaker 3: your third eye, and this is how you get key,
Speaker 3: according to the Inca, and then you can then go
Speaker 3: approach the interdimensional doorway and enter a portal to different locations.
Speaker 3: So it's crazy as that all sounds and that's real,
Speaker 3: inca legends. He then begins to pull out a drum
Speaker 3: and he's he's beating on his drum and he's telling
Speaker 3: us just to meditate, and so people are just you know,
Speaker 3: doing whatever they do to connect. I'm just watching this
Speaker 3: kind of thinking where is this going? And it was
Speaker 3: peaceful for a few minutes when all of a sudden
Speaker 3: we heard a literal, blood curdling scream, and of course,
Speaker 3: people are like, what's going on? And one of the
Speaker 3: guys in our group is just plaaling his arms and
Speaker 3: he's screaming and and it's he's scared to death or
Speaker 3: he's it's like he's possessed or something, and so people
Speaker 3: rush to help him. And when he settled down and
Speaker 3: came out of it this episode, we were like, what happened?
Speaker 3: And he basically said a puma came through the portal
Speaker 3: and I don't know if he said it either entered
Speaker 3: him or just came at him, but it literally scared
Speaker 3: him to death. And that was just a crazy thing
Speaker 3: to witness.
Speaker 1: That is weird, that.
Speaker 3: You know, was this a connection between the ancient, these
Speaker 3: ancient megaliths and the spirit realm or whatever. Right, yeah,
Speaker 3: and so it was like getting a first hand account
Speaker 3: of maybe a little bit of what the Inca dabbled into.
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is about this site. It amazes
Speaker 3: me on so many levels because when you are when
Speaker 3: you first get to the cave entrance, just like you
Speaker 3: told me at Tuloom, there's a miniature architecture Inca style
Speaker 3: on the right side with miniature doors for like a
Speaker 3: three foot person to go through. And so I was
Speaker 3: asking our guide about this, and he says this was
Speaker 3: These were the protectors of the site, the stewards. They
Speaker 3: were miniature elongated skulled entities, and this is the Inca legends.
Speaker 3: And then during the time of the Inca again during
Speaker 3: the solstice June twenty first, I believe they would pull
Speaker 3: out their elongated skull mummy from the back place it
Speaker 3: in the waka or the stargate looking doorway, and according
Speaker 3: to the Inca's own legends, these things would begin to
Speaker 3: be animated and speak to the Inca. Whether it was
Speaker 3: telepathically or verbally, that wasn't quite clear. But like the wiki,
Speaker 3: elongated skulled humanoid you see in the Andalas Museum. It's
Speaker 3: got a big hole in its head. Well that's not
Speaker 3: just a crack. According to legend, these elongated skull mummies
Speaker 3: had surger clear implanted golden devices put in their heads
Speaker 3: even when they were alive, to help them connect with
Speaker 3: the gods and rules. So there's so much crazy rabbit holes.
Speaker 3: Oh my God, to the Inca legends and the elongated
Speaker 3: skuld mummies.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a short commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 1: My guest today is Derek Olsen, coming to us from
Speaker 1: the state of Washington in the United States. He has
Speaker 1: been studying megalithic structures, construction, and stone masonry for a
Speaker 1: number of years and has an outstanding podcast and social
Speaker 1: media called stargate Voyager. What's you're feeling on these longhads
Speaker 1: being part of the original people that were the elite
Speaker 1: or otherwise known as the the I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're highbreds, so I don't know how much analysis. I
Speaker 1: know Brian Forster has had the these elongated skulls from
Speaker 1: practice analyzed, and there's various DNA of haminin and then
Speaker 1: there's some strangeness and and then there's some animal. But
Speaker 1: what what's your feeling on these longheads? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I should I should preface this by stating I hope
Speaker 3: there is not a cover up underway in Peru because
Speaker 3: on our trip all of the greatest elongated skull mummies
Speaker 3: that people know about, none of them were on display.
Speaker 3: So the U the famous museum in Parracie, yeah closed.
Speaker 1: Oh the Progress Museum that Forrester is a part of us, Yes.
Speaker 3: So you can't. We our group couldn't get in there
Speaker 3: and see these. That's weird. So they are the Inca
Speaker 3: museum that houses the biggest elongated school in all of Peru,
Speaker 3: known as the Chungo School. That wasn't on display. Well,
Speaker 3: at least we thought we can see the wiki it's
Speaker 3: called the Waiki Skull, which is at the Andalas Museum
Speaker 3: about two hours south of Cusco. We go in there
Speaker 3: and guess what happens. Because I was just there last
Speaker 3: year and I've got all these memories and photos of it.
Speaker 3: Immediately knew it was a fake. It was a replica.
Speaker 3: And so the the person they're telling us about the
Speaker 3: skull is acting like it's realized. Said that's a replica.
Speaker 3: Where is the real one? And they admitted they said,
Speaker 3: according to them, it had been taken to Lima for research. Oh,
Speaker 3: I hope it's just the case and it's going to
Speaker 3: come back. But it was interesting that all these biggest
Speaker 3: elongated schools you can't see them, at least we didn't
Speaker 3: on this trip.
Speaker 1: That's so funny because over the last thirty years, and
Speaker 1: I began discovering elongated skulls almost thirty years ago, the
Speaker 1: Maya had a whole branch of their culture that were
Speaker 1: not headboarded. They were just naturally long. And they've been
Speaker 1: they've been shown through pathology to be naturally occurring elongated skulls.
Speaker 1: But when you say they're taking these skulls and hiding them,
Speaker 1: this is happening again. It must be either pressure from
Speaker 1: the government or it's random. But everywhere you're going, the
Speaker 1: longest skulls are being pulled off of display, which is
Speaker 1: not typical and it's not normal. But to my mind,
Speaker 1: other than Forrester, no one has really done I don't
Speaker 1: think unless you can suggest people that have a good
Speaker 1: analysis of the intercrinial vault of one of these practice people.
Speaker 1: Because years ago there was a guy who was a
Speaker 1: scientist who made who estimated that their practice cranium was
Speaker 1: probably between fifteen and thirty percent bigger MEI. Their brain
Speaker 1: capacity was almost double ours. So what does that mean?
Speaker 1: Were they geniuses? Who knows? But how do you feel
Speaker 1: about that?
Speaker 3: Well, so in the nineteen twenties there was a proven
Speaker 3: archaeologist named Julio Tello, I believed, who first discovered some
Speaker 3: of these tombs all over practice with these skeletons, with
Speaker 3: these huge elongated skulls, And since then many have been
Speaker 3: found over the decades, and these all date from about
Speaker 3: two thousand to three thousand years ago. And obviously I
Speaker 3: post a lot of photos and videos of these skeptics
Speaker 3: always come out crying, well, these are just cradle headboarded right,
Speaker 3: And where it gets a little confusing is there are
Speaker 3: many cradle headboarded skulls and I believe that was the
Speaker 3: general population emulating the ruling class who'd had natural elongated skulls.
Speaker 3: And I say natural meaning they were born like that,
Speaker 3: meaning it was not just because their heads were shaped,
Speaker 3: because there's too many genetic anomalies. They've got, for one,
Speaker 3: eye sockets that are way bigger than a conventional skull, right,
Speaker 3: and so that's and then they've got larger jaw sizes,
Speaker 3: they're missing the sagittal suture lines. And then, as Marzouli
Speaker 3: points out, the form and magnum, the place where the
Speaker 3: neck attaches to the hole in the center bottom center
Speaker 3: of our skulls. On these naturally elongated skulls, it's in
Speaker 3: the very back. So that's a very strange genetic anomaly.
Speaker 3: And then of course the head size. I think on
Speaker 3: average they're like, yeah, twenty percent more cranial mass in
Speaker 3: the conventional skull, but you get to the Chungo skull
Speaker 3: in the wiki skull, and those look like they got
Speaker 3: forty percent at least more cranial mass. And the point
Speaker 3: is cradle headboarding. It can change the shape, it can't
Speaker 3: add more cranial mass, right, And so and then you know,
Speaker 3: then there's just the vibe to get when you're looking
Speaker 3: at these to me does not look like a full human.
Speaker 3: This looks like some kind of entity, if I can
Speaker 3: use the word or hybrid, if I can use the
Speaker 3: word and yeah, according to DNA analysis that Forrester did
Speaker 3: in others, they traced these to the Black Sea region, right, Well,
Speaker 3: it's interesting that's where you find the other biggest collection.
Speaker 3: It seems like if elongated schools on Earth, isn't that
Speaker 3: Black Sea there of Russia? Right and so? And I
Speaker 3: should also state they've found all kinds of infant in
Speaker 3: a new born born elongated skulls in the last five
Speaker 3: ten years, with huge elongated skulls. And I've got all
Speaker 3: kinds of photos of these I could send you if
Speaker 3: you'll want, for your notes. But proving again these were
Speaker 3: born like this, huge long skulls like it's almost disturbing
Speaker 3: to look at, you know.
Speaker 1: Derek, I wanted to stop you real quickly. Why it
Speaker 1: seems to me that these skulls found in different regions.
Speaker 1: I mean, Hugh and Jim Viea have Hugh Newman and
Speaker 1: Jim Viea have talked about him. You were talking about
Speaker 1: him at Forrester has brought him out for years and
Speaker 1: studied them. Why do you say I think science hasn't
Speaker 1: reached out and began studying this potential branch of haminin
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Because they're not like freaky
Speaker 1: headboarded individuals. It's a branch of of homo sapien sapien perhaps.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great question. That's one of the big questions is
Speaker 3: why what's up with the cover up or what's up
Speaker 3: with why can't we just talk about these and these
Speaker 3: things are so incredible you'd think these would be some
Speaker 3: of the biggest things that we're studying today right that
Speaker 3: you're seeing on you know, the UK Dailies Science section.
Speaker 3: But no, it's not. It's just left to a fringe
Speaker 3: group like us to talk. I should also note, having
Speaker 3: just been in England, I met Maria Wheatley and got
Speaker 3: to talk with her a little bit, got her book,
Speaker 3: and you know, obviously my first real trip there. I
Speaker 3: was picking up on the legends of long heads there
Speaker 3: and I got to see a couple of them in
Speaker 3: a little unknown museum. We were at Avebury, one of
Speaker 3: the biggest stone circles in the world. This thing is
Speaker 3: so massive, massive, there's a really built in the side
Speaker 3: of it with stores and a bookshop, and we were
Speaker 3: about to leave after having visited their hours and somebody
Speaker 3: in our group said, hey, have you seen the strange
Speaker 3: skulls in that little museum? Well that got my attention. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and so it was like five bucks us to go
Speaker 3: get in. So I've paid the five dollars in a hurry,
Speaker 3: blew past all the other stuff in there, and sure
Speaker 3: enough there were very strange, elongated skull looking entities, very
Speaker 3: similar to practice and so Maria writes about this in
Speaker 3: her book. She calls them the ethereal looking humanoids. And
Speaker 3: these have been found at Stonehenge, they've been found at Avebury.
Speaker 3: And what's interesting about these is not only does the
Speaker 3: skull protrude back not necessarily as long as the progress,
Speaker 3: but it's clearly elongated. They've got skinny, thin faces, very bizarre,
Speaker 3: and so this is the long headed culture of ancient Britain.
Speaker 3: These were found on long barrows, so there's definitely a
Speaker 3: link with these ancient longheads and a lot of these structures,
Speaker 3: and Maria talks about how these might have been the
Speaker 3: genesis of the folklore beings that they talked about in Europe,
Speaker 3: like the elves and the pixies, and but they definitely
Speaker 3: had a very unique looking face, very skinny, and that
Speaker 3: was something you don't see in Peru on these others.
Speaker 1: That's so funny. I was in Averbury a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago with Hugh. I didn't see that museum, damn it.
Speaker 1: I actually met with the owner of the bookstore who
Speaker 1: was a fan of the show. I should have asked
Speaker 1: him about that. But that's very very cool.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I would have missed it too had
Speaker 3: someone not told me. Hey, I even got after Hugh
Speaker 3: for that. Hey, I don't think he even knew they
Speaker 3: were in there. So amazing, there's but there's so much
Speaker 3: being uncovered in history these days. Like I know we've
Speaker 3: both covered the Stonehenge news with this ultrastone being moved
Speaker 3: from northern Scotland, and yeah, it's that's just always exciting
Speaker 3: kind of news because you see the mainstream kind of
Speaker 3: catching up a little bit to maybe where we are
Speaker 3: that this is all far more amazing than we've been
Speaker 3: led to believe.
Speaker 1: I mean, my my whole thing is, you know, history
Speaker 1: needs to be constantly evolving, and that's like pulling teeth
Speaker 1: get to get the historians to rewrite aspects of our
Speaker 1: history based on detail. Uh and and we're we're just
Speaker 1: observers saying, look at this, look at this, look at this,
Speaker 1: and they're kind of going go away, center your bother,
Speaker 1: which is kind of strange. Before we move on from Peru,
Speaker 1: I want you to talk a little bit about a
Speaker 1: panel discussion you had on your podcast called Ancient Andian
Speaker 1: Anomaly round Table, when you guys were talking about the Stonemasonry,
Speaker 1: but most specifically, there is a place called Temple of
Speaker 1: the Moon. I want you to talk about Temple of
Speaker 1: the Moon because I haven't seen the details that you
Speaker 1: posted recently. That's an amazing place.
Speaker 3: Oh man, this was probably the highlight of my whole trip.
Speaker 3: I had seen photos of it and always just thought, man,
Speaker 3: this is fascinating looking. But it was a delight to
Speaker 3: find out, you know, people who registered for a tour
Speaker 3: had the option to pay a little bit extra and
Speaker 3: go up the hike to Whine to Peach you that
Speaker 3: mountain peak, iconic peak behind Machi Peach you. Well, the
Speaker 3: Ministry of Tourism made a switch to where if you
Speaker 3: had that extra ticket, you could also go down to
Speaker 3: the Temple of the Moon, which they just opened I
Speaker 3: guess after years of it being closed. Yeah, And so
Speaker 3: I was all about going to the Temple of the Moon,
Speaker 3: which I was also told was a lighter hike than
Speaker 3: win It Peach. You and I found out it was
Speaker 3: actually harder because you go to the back of Machu
Speaker 3: Piachu and it is. It was the hardest hike I've
Speaker 3: ever done.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: Really, you go way down and then you scale Winey Peach.
Speaker 3: You maybe three quarters of the way up, so you're
Speaker 3: climbing high only to go down and around the very
Speaker 3: back of it. Oh, and so you're blown away by
Speaker 3: the scale, the sheer scale. I was looking over some
Speaker 3: of the steepest cliffs I've ever seen. Right as you're
Speaker 3: looking over these jagged peaks at the river, which appears
Speaker 3: like it's miles down, and you're thinking, how did the ancients?
Speaker 3: How did even the Inca bring stones to its amazing
Speaker 3: engineering feats? Right, I had a hard enough time with
Speaker 3: a water bottle and a little backpack. How were they
Speaker 3: bringing these granite stones to the Temple of the Moon.
Speaker 3: So let me describe this. So again, you make this
Speaker 3: incredibly hard hike up and down these jungle mountains, and
Speaker 3: in some parts the jungle literally comes alive with the bugs, right,
Speaker 3: It's just they're buzzing and it's kind of an eerie,
Speaker 3: cool feeling. And you go down and down, but you
Speaker 3: begin to see the shaping again of the Hanan Patsha.
Speaker 3: As you're going down, you start to notice steps that
Speaker 3: are just again carved right out of the mountain itself.
Speaker 3: You'd have to see it to get what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: but you see you start to see the fingerprints of
Speaker 3: the ancient even in the steps. And then at one
Speaker 3: point you have to make this sharp turn around this
Speaker 3: mountain and you can see where there was no place
Speaker 3: to go. They literally cut away the mountain side itself,
Speaker 3: the hant On Patsha. You know what I mean is
Speaker 3: you're going around this corner and it's just all rocky,
Speaker 3: and then it's like precisions smooth. They just took whatever
Speaker 3: tools they had and just.
Speaker 1: Are they cutting a pathway? Is that what you're looking at?
Speaker 3: Well, they had to cut. Yeah, basically the trail runs out,
Speaker 3: if you can see what I'm saying. And so they
Speaker 3: literally just precision cut their own trail into They cut
Speaker 3: away the mountain so that they could precision cut their
Speaker 3: own path through the granite amazing, and you're just that
Speaker 3: alone is mind blowing. And you start getting lower and
Speaker 3: there was this big old rock out cropping that kind
Speaker 3: of looked like a cave. I peeked around it and
Speaker 3: I saw my first block. There was a granite block
Speaker 3: that they had cut out of that that was just
Speaker 3: sitting all by itself, which was just very insane. You
Speaker 3: get down and you're now way closer to the river.
Speaker 3: You come around the corner and there it is the
Speaker 3: Temple of the Moon in this place. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like the hunt on Napa Waka Iglacias side I mentioned
Speaker 3: earlier in that it's basically a natural cave, but embedded
Speaker 3: into it is this precision temple. And again I believe
Speaker 3: it's white granite, so it's hard stone. But again you
Speaker 3: just see all the trapezoidal, oh door cuts in different sections.
Speaker 3: You go around the corner and there's this huge granite
Speaker 3: boulder sticking out that they shaped. It's massive, and you
Speaker 3: see these massive protruding nubs coming out of it.
Speaker 1: Was it a temple for ceremony? Are? Was it big
Speaker 1: enough for people to actually live and exists there?
Speaker 3: Yeah? So no, this looks like it You get the
Speaker 3: feeling like it was ceremonial, and I almost hate saying that,
Speaker 3: because you know, the mainstream just trucks everything up to
Speaker 3: being ceremonial. Yeah, but I believe the definitely. I believe
Speaker 3: the Inca definitely repurposed it as a place of worship
Speaker 3: and ceremonial or they were again placing elongated skulls. But
Speaker 3: you also get the sense that the builders before the Inca,
Speaker 3: who according to the theory of the han Patcha would have
Speaker 3: been maybe the urun Pacha, that second tier, you get
Speaker 3: the feeling that they built it also as almost a
Speaker 3: place of worship of veneration. It's not a large scale,
Speaker 3: it's on a smallish scale almost again, like it lends to.
Speaker 3: These shorter elongated skulled humanoids are legendary throughout the region.
Speaker 3: As crazy as that sounds. Well, what a lot of
Speaker 3: people don't know is there's the Temple of the Moon
Speaker 3: right there, which a lot of people don't know about.
Speaker 3: If you go around the corner and keep hiking down
Speaker 3: always there is another temple called the Temple of the Asteroids.
Speaker 3: And this thing is not as precision as the Temple
Speaker 3: of the Moon. The Temple of the asteroids. You get
Speaker 3: the feeling that the Inca did build this, but you
Speaker 3: go inside and in their trapezoidal doors are what are
Speaker 3: literal supposed asteroids from space, and some of them are
Speaker 3: translucent you can almost see through them. It was wild.
Speaker 1: They actually had what is thought as asteroids sitting on
Speaker 1: what pillars or something.
Speaker 3: Yes, sitting inside the you know the trapezoidal looking windows
Speaker 3: that go to nowhere.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, inside the feature.
Speaker 3: Inside these are asteroids about this big and again translucent looking,
Speaker 3: very alien looking to what we see rocks here. So
Speaker 3: that was wild. And then according to our guide Roomy,
Speaker 3: there is at least one more site further down that
Speaker 3: he says nobody knows about that's megalithic, that they're doing
Speaker 3: archaeological work at. And so it's just crazy to consider
Speaker 3: that there are sites that the public doesn't know about
Speaker 3: yet that the archaeologists do, and who knows what they've
Speaker 3: found there and what they're working on. But the Temple
Speaker 3: of the Moon, it was one of the most incredible
Speaker 3: experiences I've had. And people can go to my YouTube Instagram.
Speaker 3: I'll be featuring more and more videos and footage of
Speaker 3: that as I kind of compile it can.
Speaker 1: You send me a few photographs for our show notes?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, because I was really impressed in the size
Speaker 1: of that. You should also mention you were talking about
Speaker 1: the hard hike to get to this location. We should
Speaker 1: mention that Matthew Peachi is around. Isn't it ten thousand
Speaker 1: feet above sea level? Something insane? So you're not just
Speaker 1: fighting this struggling trail, you're fighting thin air, right.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Yeah, you're fighting altitude. And on this trip,
Speaker 3: we actually flew into the Punal area first, which is
Speaker 3: the first time I've started down there, and the altitude
Speaker 3: is way more harsh than starting in Cusco. We had
Speaker 3: people breathing in oxygen you know, at the hotel and headaches.
Speaker 3: So I definitely recommend strongly doing all the protocols to
Speaker 3: deal with altitude sickness about three days before you get there.
Speaker 3: So did you.
Speaker 1: One of the suggestions is to chew on some coca
Speaker 1: leaves or take some cocaine and some tea.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they definitely always have that coco t for
Speaker 3: you in the leagues. So I was I was doing
Speaker 3: all that plus I'll leave and nothing seemed to help
Speaker 3: for the first few days, but my mom came on
Speaker 3: the trip with me, and she was the only one
Speaker 3: smart enough out of the whole group. She got some
Speaker 3: prescription that deals with altitude. Oh and yeah, funny enough,
Speaker 3: my mom was the only one that was perfectly fine.
Speaker 1: She was take it before she left for Cusco.
Speaker 3: She took it about three days before she left.
Speaker 1: So did you guys start in Lima and then jump two? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So she took it before she took it.
Speaker 1: She and she in Washington State, like you.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. She took it a couple of days before
Speaker 3: she left. Yeah. Wow, And she had no problems. She
Speaker 3: was like, why are you guys also miserable?
Speaker 1: Hey? As we conclude, uh, and this has been wonderful,
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to get some photographs of these locations
Speaker 1: you've been to. I had an author on a few
Speaker 1: months ago who wrote a book on the stoneworks at CUSCO,
Speaker 1: and I can't think of her name right now, but
Speaker 1: one of the things that she brought up in her book,
Speaker 1: and I'm interested in your impressions as well, is the
Speaker 1: subtle tolleric energy like a sexy woman. And also at Cousco,
Speaker 1: she's she actually and this is the first time I've
Speaker 1: heard this. She actually spoke with a shaman who said,
Speaker 1: there are lay lines at Cusco where temples are built
Speaker 1: on and you could actually physically fill like a low
Speaker 1: energetic energy as you passed these areas. Did you have
Speaker 1: any of that impression?
Speaker 3: I did at one site, the what's known as the
Speaker 3: Amaru Muru Stargate, but that might have been because music
Speaker 3: was involved. We had this. This is down in southern Peru,
Speaker 3: near Puno, and I can send you pictures of this
Speaker 3: as well. Overlooking again Lake Titty Kaka is this amazing sandstone,
Speaker 3: huge rock out croppings. You almost get the feeling like
Speaker 3: you're in Zion National Park. It's got this reddish color.
Speaker 3: But again, right there in the middle of nowhere is
Speaker 3: this what looks like a precision stargate with a faux
Speaker 3: door cut out. And so we had a great time
Speaker 3: there and the guide we had, Ernesto, who knows all
Speaker 3: these old legends. He was playing like twenty different instruments
Speaker 3: there and when he started rubbing these, he had crystal
Speaker 3: bowls where he would rub this thing on them. We
Speaker 3: were all feeling the energy. And again I think the
Speaker 3: residents might add something to do with that, but I'm
Speaker 3: not the biggest feeler in the world, you know, when
Speaker 3: it comes to feeling stuff. But man, it was like
Speaker 3: getting a dose of novakane at the dentist, where you're
Speaker 3: kind of just like whoa, Like it just kind of
Speaker 3: a blanket comes on you.
Speaker 1: Was it like you were shifted in a way, Derek,
Speaker 1: Like you were like one minute you're there, you're consciously
Speaker 1: aware of what's going on, and then you get like
Speaker 1: hit with like some kind of a vibration that you
Speaker 1: know isn't overwhelming, but still you feel a presence.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly what it was like to where again,
Speaker 3: I kind of equate it to if you've ever been
Speaker 3: at the dentist and you have that laughing gas or novakane.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of like this heavy thing that comes
Speaker 3: on you and if you were standing up, you might
Speaker 3: fall over. So I felt that they're strong, and again,
Speaker 3: I think the residents had a big part in that,
Speaker 3: but it just gave you a little taste of what
Speaker 3: these ancients were probably tapping into.
Speaker 1: You know, it's funny too, because you just mentioned something
Speaker 1: that unfortunately we're not going to have a chance to
Speaker 1: talk about maybe next time. Stargates and people are constantly
Speaker 1: talking talking about stargates in Peru in parts of South America,
Speaker 1: we didn't even get into Bolivia and Puma Puka Puku,
Speaker 1: i should say, and the strangeness of that place where
Speaker 1: there's antisite, very hard stone that's been cut with a
Speaker 1: high level of precision. And John Burke actually went to
Speaker 1: the author, John Burke went and tested parts of Puma
Speaker 1: Pucku and shows that there's high levels of unusual TOLLURC
Speaker 1: frequencies there which apparently run through these buildings. So why
Speaker 1: would they run energy like that in these buildings? They
Speaker 1: just were on a different scale, a different physics of
Speaker 1: different science that we're just not up to speed on yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's part of the reason when I rebranded,
Speaker 3: I came up with the name stargate voyager is just
Speaker 3: that's one of the common denominators that you see all
Speaker 3: these ancient sites, whether it's Peru, Egypt Is the legends
Speaker 3: of stargates, the depictions of stargates, whether it's the Inca's
Speaker 3: legends or the dynastic Egyptians legends, and it's all equated
Speaker 3: with energy, like you stated, to luric energy, and so
Speaker 3: like we learn in Egypt, I think a big reason
Speaker 3: for a lot of the energy of these ancient sites
Speaker 3: they were tapping into. It probably was for healing of
Speaker 3: the body, and not just fertility, but healing of the
Speaker 3: body where they didn't necessarily need prescriptions and they didn't
Speaker 3: need injections, if you know what I mean. Yeah, they
Speaker 3: could go into these temples with the magnetism of the earth,
Speaker 3: the geology of the specific stone, and obviously the power
Speaker 3: of the sunlight, and they knew how to regenerate their body.
Speaker 3: As crazy as that may sound, that's what the Dynastic
Speaker 3: Egyptians on you know, legends say in a lot of ways,
Speaker 3: these were fertility centers, these were healing centers. And it's
Speaker 3: crazy to consider when we're in the year twenty twenty four, right,
Speaker 3: and it's like, I had a doctor that came a
Speaker 3: holistic doctor that came with me to Egypt two years ago,
Speaker 3: Doctor Carla. If you're listening, you're awesome, And she dabbles
Speaker 3: in all the newest breakthrough technologies of frequency and resonance,
Speaker 3: and so I said, it's going to be so fun
Speaker 3: to get your take on some of this stuff. Because
Speaker 3: she was telling me the tools and the contraptions they
Speaker 3: use and when she learned about the energy at these
Speaker 3: sites and how they were healing centers and the geology,
Speaker 3: and when we were at the Temple of Isis on
Speaker 3: that island, she literally had to walk away the energy
Speaker 3: was so strong. For she told me, we're not even
Speaker 3: in the year twenty twenty three it was back then.
Speaker 3: I think we're not even barely scratching the surface now
Speaker 3: of what the ancients had mastered.
Speaker 1: Amazing. Yeah, we're kind of relearning that. Yeah, I'd like
Speaker 1: to hear more about I've had a couple of different
Speaker 1: doctors join us on tours, and it's fun to hear
Speaker 1: their perspective because they're getting blasted without this energy, They're going,
Speaker 1: what the hell is going on? It's so unusual for them.
Speaker 1: The podcast is called Stargate Voyager Podcast. Derek tell people
Speaker 1: about how they can learn more about you. We've already
Speaker 1: given your stargate Voyager Facebook page. Is it the same title?
Speaker 1: I can't remember stargeting Voyager for Instagram yep. And then
Speaker 1: of course your big YouTube channel as well, right yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just Stargate Voyager on all those platforms.
Speaker 1: Look me up.
Speaker 3: Would love to connect. I'm pretty the pretty functional on there,
Speaker 3: so you can DM me and love the chat on
Speaker 3: Instagram or whatever. I'm on x as well. Yeah, Facebook,
Speaker 3: all the channels, TikTok, YouTube podcast, stargate Voyager you can
Speaker 3: find out on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 3: post all the same stuff on YouTube.
Speaker 1: So and we should mention that you are very active,
Speaker 1: obviously with your tours. I just looked at your stargate
Speaker 1: Voyager tour page. You've done for twenty twenty four, but
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do in twenty twenty five. You're
Speaker 1: going to rue for sure, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, We're gonna do another Peru Bolivia tour and so
Speaker 3: that looks like it's gonna be at the end of
Speaker 3: May of next year. So bookmarks stargate voyager dot com
Speaker 3: slash tours. As soon as those come live, we'll post
Speaker 3: them there. And then I'm trying to I'm getting a
Speaker 3: little bit of a late start. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 3: out the other one or two tours that might do
Speaker 3: next year. It might be Egypt, it might be I'm
Speaker 3: looking at maybe a Cambodia trip. I've always wanted to
Speaker 3: go see all the famous sites there. So yeah, just
Speaker 3: bookmark stargate voyager dot com, slash tours, and if you
Speaker 3: see a date and a site that interests you, we'd
Speaker 3: love to have you.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. I'm a big fan of Derek, so if you
Speaker 1: haven't seen his work on Facebook, you need to go
Speaker 1: see it because he's got a keen eye for all
Speaker 1: things megalithic. Derek, A pleasure is always.
Speaker 3: We got to do this again, Cliff, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: I hope your listeners enjoyed this discussion and it was
Speaker 3: an honor my friend. Thanks.
Speaker 1: Derek's gonna send me a number of images from Peru,
Speaker 1: the Sacred Valley area that we spoke about, specifically the
Speaker 1: Temple of the Moon, and a couple of other photos
Speaker 1: that are rarely seen on the internet from his personal archive.
Speaker 1: I asked him to pull a few so you get
Speaker 1: a sense of what he's been talking about with this
Speaker 1: incredible stonemasonry. And it's really and we didn't get into
Speaker 1: this enough because I'm neither one of us as a scientist,
Speaker 1: but we don't know the science and the physics behind
Speaker 1: this forming of these stones. It's either high heat, these
Speaker 1: weird scoop marks, a form of laser, a form of
Speaker 1: cutting tool. We don't know. We just don't know, and
Speaker 1: so all we have is the evidence, and you know,
Speaker 1: on some microscopic level, we got to think of the
Speaker 1: possibilities of picking up traces of what the tool is
Speaker 1: cutting this rock, what the formula is, what the system
Speaker 1: is of clean cuts on megalithic stones, and then fitting
Speaker 1: them together. Most notably, it's a sexy woman, this huge
Speaker 1: megalithic wall. These stones weighing in some cases hundreds of
Speaker 1: tons fitted perfectly onto other stones. You can't do that.
Speaker 1: No one knows how it was done. The Inca admit
Speaker 1: that it was before their time, and of course the
Speaker 1: Spanish and everyone presently believes it's the Inca, and this
Speaker 1: is the problem. It's not the Inca. So good to
Speaker 1: have him on the program. His tours are great fun
Speaker 1: if you're into Peru, so check it out. Stargate Voyager
Speaker 1: is the podcast. Hey, we are down to the end
Speaker 1: of the year. We have one final tour. It's our
Speaker 1: Sacred Pyramids of Mexico. It's going to be November eighth
Speaker 1: through the seventeenth. This is directed to Yucatan, which is
Speaker 1: very close to those of us who live in the
Speaker 1: United States. It's only a four hour flight from Texas Louisiana,
Speaker 1: a little longer from California and New York. But it
Speaker 1: is a wonderful site and it is an opportunity to
Speaker 1: see these very very old megalithic sites Ushmol, chichen Itza,
Speaker 1: ek Balamu, Sail and more and more and more sites
Speaker 1: to visit. For more information on this tour, go to
Speaker 1: Earthacients dot com forward slash tours. We have some spots
Speaker 1: left and it is a chance not only to hear
Speaker 1: from Mimo Gonzalez, a local expert, but we'll also hear
Speaker 1: from Michael Laflem and an archaeologist who's a minus, who's
Speaker 1: done significant, who's done significant excavations in Yucatan. So it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a good one. It's only a week and
Speaker 1: it's very reasonable. The entire itinerary, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be updated a little bit because we're gonna we're
Speaker 1: gonna add a few things like the Maya Chocolate Factory,
Speaker 1: and also a couple of other spots on the way,
Speaker 1: including the Natural Museum which has just some outstanding statuary.
Speaker 1: For more information, you go to earth Ancients dot com
Speaker 1: forward slash tours. T O U R. S any questions
Speaker 1: on any of our tours, send me an email. Send
Speaker 1: it to Earth Ancients the number four of the letter
Speaker 1: you at gmail dot com, and I promise to get
Speaker 1: right back to you. And we mentioned in the very
Speaker 1: beginning we are filling up for our Easter Island tour
Speaker 1: May thirteenth, excuse me, March thirteenth through the twenty third,
Speaker 1: That is, we meet in Sant Diego, Chile, and then
Speaker 1: we fly in a single plane together to Easter Island.
Speaker 1: Ed Barnhardt is our guest host. He has done some
Speaker 1: extraordinary surveying and he is going to present a program
Speaker 1: Inc's tober on Easter Island and these MOI sculptures which
Speaker 1: now count into about a thousand. So for more information
Speaker 1: on that tour, go to Earthations dot com forward slash
Speaker 1: tours t O U R S. Okay, that's it for
Speaker 1: this program. I want to thank my guests today, Derek
Speaker 1: Olsen coming to us in Washington as always a team
Speaker 1: of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this
Speaker 1: thing happen. You guys rock all right, take care of
Speaker 1: be well and we will talk to you next time.
Speaker 3: Don't