Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What's going to happen?
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Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Occult Rejects. Today we're joined by
Speaker 3: Jen Sanki, author of Manifesting by the Moon, a Guide
Speaker 3: to Lunar Magic. There are a lot of books and
Speaker 3: conversations out there that treat the moon like a symbol,
Speaker 3: an aesthetic, or a vague spiritual backdrop, but Gen's work
Speaker 3: approaches it differently, and Manifesting by the Moon the Moon
Speaker 3: becomes a rhythm, a structure, and a working magical system,
Speaker 3: a way of aligning intention, emotion, ritual, self awareness and
Speaker 3: action with the changing phases of the lunar cycle. The
Speaker 3: book is framed around using the moon as a guide
Speaker 3: for self discovery, transformation, and manifestation, and it builds that
Speaker 3: path through foundations like spirit, mind, body, deity, tarot, herbs, oils, incense, crystals,
Speaker 3: and phase specific practice. Jen is a professional witch, teacher,
Speaker 3: tower reader, and speaker who's broader work centers on helping
Speaker 3: people recognize their own magical potential, deepen their personal growth,
Speaker 3: and manifest their desires through spiritual practice. So today we're
Speaker 3: diving into lunar magic, not just as an idea, but
Speaker 3: as a discipline, what it is, how it works.
Speaker 1: Why the moon has remained such a.
Speaker 3: Powerful spiritual force across traditions, and how people can actually
Speaker 3: build a meaningful practice around it. Now, before I introduce
Speaker 3: the rest of the panel and the guest, I would
Speaker 3: like to make an announcement. We want to remind people
Speaker 3: about the website. If you're into reading, we have tons
Speaker 3: of information by multiple contributors, and we got t shirts
Speaker 3: up on the site if you're interested. Fun fact, the
Speaker 3: art is all based on the eyeball. All right, that's
Speaker 3: enough outemy, enough announcements. Let me introduced the rest of
Speaker 3: the panel, and we got Teresa re joining us today again.
Speaker 3: We had her on on a week or two ago.
Speaker 3: I had a blast with her. I thought she was
Speaker 3: awesome as hell. She introduced me to Jen, so I
Speaker 3: figured why not bring her on again. So Teresa, please
Speaker 3: let everybody know what's up with you and where they
Speaker 3: can find all your amazing work.
Speaker 4: Thank you so much. Glad to be here again. I
Speaker 4: had I had a blast last time, and just for
Speaker 4: folks who are listening in, Nick had me at ICP.
Speaker 4: But that's a whole nother story. So I'm a music fanatic.
Speaker 4: That's one of my things. But I'm also known as
Speaker 4: the Tarot Lady. I've got a ton of books out there.
Speaker 4: I write about terror, I write about astrology, all kinds
Speaker 4: of other things, and really the best place to find
Speaker 4: me is always my website, the Tarot Lady dot com,
Speaker 4: and you'll see me on social media. My handle is
Speaker 4: always the Tarot Lady, although on one or two places
Speaker 4: someone else grabbed the Tarot Lady and they're not really
Speaker 4: using it. So this is the real deal.
Speaker 2: You'll know.
Speaker 4: Just my website will tell you where I'm at.
Speaker 3: A awesome Thank you so much, Juse, I really appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Me in it again and then man himself the storyteller
Speaker 3: Robbie Marks, What is going on, sir?
Speaker 1: How are you hello?
Speaker 5: How's everybody doing thing? It's good to come in and
Speaker 5: hang out for a little bit and see what's going on.
Speaker 5: I am Robbie Marx. I'm an artist illustrator.
Speaker 1: I do a lot of.
Speaker 5: Research into symbolism and ancient history, and if anybody wants
Speaker 5: to check out my veryous stuff my website for my artworks,
Speaker 5: or my metamind cast podcast or any of the various
Speaker 5: things I do you can check out my link tree
Speaker 5: which is link tree r.
Speaker 1: M A r X.
Speaker 5: And I wanted to mention a lot of people have
Speaker 5: been asking about the Pink Floyd t's that I did,
Speaker 5: and I did just get a limited number of those in.
Speaker 5: If anybody wants to him, just hit me up. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and it's great to be here. Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 1: Nick.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that artwork you did be for Pink Floyd
Speaker 3: was authorized by Pink Floyd and David Gilmore, correct too.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, that's gangs to do it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all license.
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous. Good for you, man, Good for you.
Speaker 3: And finally, Jen, thank you so much for making it
Speaker 3: on the show. Anything that I might have left out
Speaker 3: or anything you'd like to promote, Please let everybody know
Speaker 3: where they can find all of your stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah so really, website is stardust wander Taro dot com
Speaker 6: or just google gen Sanky everything comes up. I also
Speaker 6: create Taro decks. I have a couple of decks out now.
Speaker 6: I have Stardust Wanderer Taro, which is very sci fi.
Speaker 6: There's space, pirates, gods and goddesses, all of those things
Speaker 6: in it. So that's a really fun deck and then
Speaker 6: I have another deck that's Enchanted Forest Feelines, and then
Speaker 6: the next one I'm working on is Goblin Whispers Taro,
Speaker 6: which I am obsessed with. David Bowie, Oh yeah, this
Speaker 6: is all my eighties movies. This is about we sleep,
Speaker 6: all eighties movies.
Speaker 2: So Labyrinth, Dark Crystal, all of that.
Speaker 6: So all the goblins are inspired by by that.
Speaker 2: So I'm really excited for that deck. So that's just
Speaker 2: a little bit. I'd liked it.
Speaker 1: You did a Pirates one that is really cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Space Pirates.
Speaker 3: Space I remember is the old show and showing my
Speaker 3: age Ice Pirates. Remember that movie from back in the day.
Speaker 3: Probably not. It was like pirates are out of space,
Speaker 3: like fighting over ice. It was really weird. You remember that, right,
Speaker 3: That shit was weird as hell. Yeah, that was one
Speaker 3: of those kid movies that that like stuck in your head.
Speaker 3: You're like, what did I just watch?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right, right right? You probably watched it again anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally dude, that's funny, you remember that.
Speaker 1: Sorry about that random, random.
Speaker 3: Thing, but uh so, Jen Uh, I guess kind of
Speaker 3: the same question. I always ask the people that are
Speaker 3: into the occult and this stuff. Uh, and you know,
Speaker 3: for people, I guess, meeting you for the first time
Speaker 3: on my show, if they have not heard about you,
Speaker 3: I guess, like, who are you?
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 3: What first drew you into tarot, witchcraft and all this stuff?
Speaker 3: How did you get into this?
Speaker 2: You know, I've just but I.
Speaker 6: Was, you know, the weird kid in the woods looking
Speaker 6: for fee, making the spells and with the sticks and
Speaker 6: the rocks and you know, trying to find all of
Speaker 6: the creatures in the woods to talk to, you know,
Speaker 6: And then it kind of rolled into you know, media.
Speaker 6: So if there was a song, a movie, you know
Speaker 6: Stevie Nix I, you know, saw and you know she
Speaker 6: was just wonderful and fantastic and witchy, and I'm like,
Speaker 6: I want to be like her, and then it moved
Speaker 6: it just any of the movies, any reading, any you know,
Speaker 6: And I always took around. I like to say that
Speaker 6: my segue was that she was your own adventure books
Speaker 6: because like you knew, you know, and it's like then
Speaker 6: you cheated and you looked ahead of time, so you were,
Speaker 6: you know, a fortune teller that you could tell the
Speaker 6: future because you.
Speaker 2: Can look up page two and then if you die,
Speaker 2: you go to the other page. You know, I know
Speaker 2: everyone did it, but it really was that I was
Speaker 2: alone a lot as a kid. I was you know,
Speaker 2: my parents were.
Speaker 6: Not you know, parents really just wasn't fun for them,
Speaker 6: so they just didn't do it. So I was really
Speaker 6: alone a lot, and so it was just you know,
Speaker 6: anything that was weird and buerky, and I just.
Speaker 2: Gravitated, gravitated towards.
Speaker 6: And I also had a lot of friends that I
Speaker 6: talked to, and as I grew up, I realized that
Speaker 6: not everyone can see the.
Speaker 2: Friends that I was talking to. So that was that
Speaker 2: was a very big defining moment. I'd say I was
Speaker 2: probably like it's like.
Speaker 6: Between eight and ten when you're you know, I'd be like, oh,
Speaker 6: you know this, you know, they say, oh, it's your
Speaker 6: imaginary friend and everything, and they would just discredit me.
Speaker 6: But I'd be like, no, there's Susan over there and
Speaker 6: she doesn't have an arm.
Speaker 2: Something happened to her in a in a you know,
Speaker 2: a mill or something.
Speaker 6: But she's really nice to me and she tells me
Speaker 6: things and people would be like, who, where, what have
Speaker 6: you been talking about.
Speaker 2: I had this other woman.
Speaker 6: I called her the white woman because she was very
Speaker 6: pale and she would always tell me when things were
Speaker 6: getting really rowdy in my.
Speaker 2: House and to hide my closet.
Speaker 6: So I she would wake me up and she would
Speaker 6: tell me to go like point to my closet, and
Speaker 6: I would always run and hide in my closet.
Speaker 2: Nine times out of ten, somebody was busting through the door,
Speaker 2: drawn ki or both or whatever, and they can find
Speaker 2: me because she would tell me.
Speaker 6: So that was always, you know, and I thought everybody
Speaker 6: had that. I thought everybody had, you know, things around.
Speaker 2: Them like that. That real. But as I.
Speaker 6: Grew up, I got my first Tara dec when I
Speaker 6: was twelve, pre internet, so I had to learn it
Speaker 6: all by myself, the hard way, with the little White book,
Speaker 6: and you know, it just.
Speaker 2: Kind of went on through there.
Speaker 6: I was homeless at fourteen, so relying on my magic,
Speaker 6: my intuition, all of those things.
Speaker 2: It was kind of you had to do it. I
Speaker 2: had to do it.
Speaker 6: It's either I was going this way or that way,
Speaker 6: and thankfully I chose magic over you know, nonsense.
Speaker 2: I mean there's always a level of nonsense, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's always nonsense.
Speaker 6: So so yeah, so, I mean at that point on
Speaker 6: I had met my husband and yeah, well now he's
Speaker 6: my husband.
Speaker 2: He's a many boy friend at the time, and he
Speaker 2: we had a baby hit seventeen, and we just kind
Speaker 2: of went for it. We started business and throughout all that,
Speaker 2: the moon, Tarot and all of the witchy stuff just
Speaker 2: stuck with me and that because that was my base.
Speaker 2: That was always my base. So brought.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's a story right there, very quick version. Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: that was great. This is very interesting.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, as you mentioned like the Witchway books, right
Speaker 3: or something like that. Just recently, I feel like you
Speaker 3: mentioned something like that where we get to choose your
Speaker 3: own adventure.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I saw that recently on some social media appor that
Speaker 3: were going on, saying that people that were big into
Speaker 3: those tended to get into like kind of occultism and
Speaker 3: spirituality as they got all the whole, which is very interesting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, them right.
Speaker 3: Over here, DC, I mean, the way they we're breaking
Speaker 3: it down kind of made sense. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: the magician is always looking to see which way can
Speaker 3: get him to where he wants to go, and like
Speaker 3: that's what those books are basically about, you know, like
Speaker 3: trying to figure out how to get to you know,
Speaker 3: whatever you're looking for.
Speaker 2: Right, and you get into the future.
Speaker 6: You know, you go to too or you're going to
Speaker 6: page thirty seven and like, which one am I going
Speaker 6: to do? And the one that you die? Of course
Speaker 6: you don't go that way. And then it's like I
Speaker 6: feel a magical like I just I could have been
Speaker 6: dead here I am writing through that she is looking
Speaker 6: for it.
Speaker 2: Well, I will say that, Oh.
Speaker 4: Go ahead, no, go ahead, go ahead. I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: say those books were after my time. By the time
Speaker 4: those books were coming out, I was into all kinds
Speaker 4: of other things, so I was too old for that.
Speaker 4: So I missed the whole choose your own adventure thing.
Speaker 4: So I'm a little jealous now hearing this.
Speaker 5: Well, I was going to say that when you when
Speaker 5: you take those books after you've gone through numerous times
Speaker 5: and you start to become familiar with them, it almost
Speaker 5: puts you in the position of like analogous to the
Speaker 5: Watcher class, kind of like where you're kind of able
Speaker 5: to see the whole picture of the presence of and
Speaker 5: and well. And that's what I was going to say
Speaker 5: in regard to the lunar turnings. As you moved through
Speaker 5: your life, did you start to see that the moon
Speaker 5: was causing and affecting certain things cyclically in your life.
Speaker 5: That led to this idea of this lunar kind of expression.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it was really how it affected me first.
Speaker 6: And I started noticing and I was born.
Speaker 2: On a full moon. Full moon ares, so yeah, that's fire,
Speaker 2: and so I knew that.
Speaker 6: I knew that I was born in a full moon,
Speaker 6: and so I anytime I saw the full moon, before
Speaker 6: even knowing any anything else.
Speaker 2: I noticed that it drew me in.
Speaker 6: And as I was going through different stages of my life,
Speaker 6: I always just paid a tension. I didn't know the
Speaker 6: names of the thesis, I didn't know what they did,
Speaker 6: but I always looked.
Speaker 2: I always was like, what's going on? And I would
Speaker 2: see that maybe it was like a first quarter moon or.
Speaker 6: You know, or maybe it was a dark moon, and
Speaker 6: I'm you know, I would just kind of naturally put
Speaker 6: it together like what was happening during those times? And
Speaker 6: then as I did terror readings for the public, I
Speaker 6: started incorporating that in like when I do readings.
Speaker 2: I'm very much I'm not like this is this, this
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 6: It's more of like, you know, we're going to figure
Speaker 6: out a plan, and you get homework most of the time.
Speaker 6: So I started just trying it out with some of
Speaker 6: my clients, Like, you know, there's the last quarter moon
Speaker 6: coming up, and you've been working towards this, what really
Speaker 6: big action can you take? And helping others to kind
Speaker 6: of incorporate those phases into their life and seeing it
Speaker 6: how it changed their life, you know. And so my
Speaker 6: clients were kind of my guinea.
Speaker 2: Pigs because I was kind of honing this and check
Speaker 2: and seeing how I wanted it to flow, so to speak.
Speaker 1: That was great, Thank you. What was it that? I guess?
Speaker 3: There's a lot of books on the moon, for sure.
Speaker 3: I think what made you want to write this book? Like,
Speaker 3: what did you think this was going to offer that
Speaker 3: other ones don't?
Speaker 6: So really, you know, I always talk about using the
Speaker 6: word manifesting and even using that on my cover because
Speaker 6: the word does have a lot of eck attached to it.
Speaker 3: I was going to ask about that word later on.
Speaker 3: So if you want to get into manifesting, that word
Speaker 3: now you'll answer some of my questions already.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: And a lot of people they think of manifesting and
Speaker 6: automatically we're thrown into this universe of pastels and lights
Speaker 6: and love and you know, and I wore my shirt,
Speaker 6: my my live laugh of body shirt because it always
Speaker 6: gets somebody who's into that like stuff very you know, and.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with it, there's nothing wrong with any
Speaker 2: of that. But when when a group of people are
Speaker 2: taking a word and they make it so it's they
Speaker 2: make themselves profitable, and they make it that, you know,
Speaker 2: hit word and you know, manifest in three days and
Speaker 2: you'll get everything you want. And really, if you're just
Speaker 2: making a wish, you know, doing no action, just making
Speaker 2: a wish, nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 6: And there are certain groups that are just like, yeah,
Speaker 6: if you want to manifest it, just be it. Just
Speaker 6: throw it out into the universe and the universe will provide. No,
Speaker 6: the universe doesn't give a fuck about any of that.
Speaker 6: They're like, they're going on their merry way, just like
Speaker 6: the Boon's going on. It's merry way, and at least
Speaker 6: you're actually doing something.
Speaker 2: It's just going to pass by and nothing's going to happen.
Speaker 6: So there are so many people that see that word
Speaker 6: and are like, oh, yeah, probably not going to do that.
Speaker 6: So I guess it's my very tiny, little small way
Speaker 6: of trying to change the meaning of that, not especially
Speaker 6: the meaning of the word, just the connotation of it,
Speaker 6: and that you know, with the look at it, it
Speaker 6: means that you've got.
Speaker 2: To put in some work, you have to do the things.
Speaker 6: And yes, you can manifest you can bring stuff into
Speaker 6: your life, but it's it's not going to just fall
Speaker 6: into your life. And then being able to kind of
Speaker 6: provide different tools so that you can't say, well, I manifested.
Speaker 2: And nothing happened. Well, if you didn't read my book
Speaker 2: and see all the stuff in it and the thing
Speaker 2: in all the things available to you is to make
Speaker 2: that actually happen, then I don't want to hear it,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 6: And it's not lovelight, it's not rainbows, it's not light
Speaker 6: language at you, it's not beeby boom boot, it's.
Speaker 2: None of that's going to work. So that's not what
Speaker 2: manifesting is.
Speaker 4: And manifesting I'm going to butt in a little bit
Speaker 4: here too, because I've definitely got something to say about manifestation.
Speaker 4: Let's see these people doing these manifestation things and you know,
Speaker 4: writing their books and YadA YadA YadA about it, But
Speaker 4: what a lot of these people leave out these people
Speaker 4: who are manifesting all these things that they're claiming they're manifesting.
Speaker 4: Is a lot of them have a lot of privilege,
Speaker 4: you know that they are coming from. Maybe their spouse
Speaker 4: has money, maybe they're aarons have money. They don't know
Speaker 4: what it's like to be out on the street and
Speaker 4: down and out and down to your absolute last cook
Speaker 4: in the house. They do not know. And so it's
Speaker 4: and by the way, I had times in my life
Speaker 4: where I was extremely poor. Climbing out of poverty isn't
Speaker 4: just me sitting around going home and visualizing the McMansion.
Speaker 4: It took me years to get out of poverty. Hard work, discipline, magic, ritual,
Speaker 4: all of that. I had to throw everything at it
Speaker 4: to get out of poverty. And so a lot of
Speaker 4: these people that talk the manifestation, they have a tremendous
Speaker 4: amount of privilege. They have resources that a lot of
Speaker 4: other people don't have. And to tell somebody who's really poor,
Speaker 4: just hey, go ahead and like positive thinking and it's
Speaker 4: going to make you get all these things, that's bogus
Speaker 4: because it doesn't work like that. If we don't think
Speaker 4: about the systemic things that create real hardship for people
Speaker 4: and make it hard forward them to crawl out of
Speaker 4: their you know whatever. We're not doing them a service.
Speaker 4: We are selling them a pipe dream. And I like
Speaker 4: to think not only do some of these people, well,
Speaker 4: first of all, pipe dream sell, fear cells, pipe cream sell.
Speaker 4: If someone tells you he's coming oh yeah, the cars
Speaker 4: say he's coming back, that sells. But if you are
Speaker 4: someone like taking a book like this and saying, okay,
Speaker 4: well you want to manifest something, Well, here's the magic,
Speaker 4: here's the cycle shit to follow, and here's the practical
Speaker 4: things you have to do in your day to day life. Well,
Speaker 4: people do think you're a big fricking bummer, and you're not.
Speaker 4: It is you have to have practicality with your magic
Speaker 4: and with this manifestation thing. The other thing that gets
Speaker 4: me really really mad when we talk about the privileged
Speaker 4: stuff too, is they also have sometimes this advice that's
Speaker 4: so unrealistic about you can manifest anything you want. Okay, well,
Speaker 4: I want to manifest right now that I'm going to
Speaker 4: have a relationship with MAT's Michelson, because I think he's fine.
Speaker 4: First of all, in order for me to have a
Speaker 4: relationship with Mad Michelson, who is a gorgeous man, probably married.
Speaker 4: I have no idea. I would have to divorce my husband.
Speaker 4: He's gorgeous, he's rich, he's successful. I would probably have
Speaker 4: to get fit, and I hate to exercise, so that
Speaker 4: ain't going to happen, and I'm going to continue eat
Speaker 4: my candy. I would have to then move to Hollywood
Speaker 4: or where the hell this man lives. I would have
Speaker 4: to do a whole lot of things because Matt Nicholson
Speaker 4: is not going to show up at my door no
Speaker 4: matter how much I do the manifestation work. So when
Speaker 4: we also are giving people this idea and you can
Speaker 4: get whatever you want, that's focus because I can also
Speaker 4: guarantee there are a lot of other people who want
Speaker 4: to get with Mats Michelson. So now are you telling
Speaker 4: us that we're all going to get a piece of him?
Speaker 4: How does that work? It doesn't make sense. So when
Speaker 4: I think about again, some of these people who are
Speaker 4: proposing this stuff, they've got a lot of privilege. They've
Speaker 4: never been there, they don't know what it's like to
Speaker 4: be down and out where they're really able bodied, They've
Speaker 4: got everything going for them, or they have access to
Speaker 4: something that or they're not being practical. I get really
Speaker 4: really bat out of shape of it. So manifestation, do
Speaker 4: I believe in it? Yes, But do I believe that
Speaker 4: what some of these people are teaching is right? No,
Speaker 4: the secret is pretty bogus. Also, the other things that
Speaker 4: I have a real issue and that I'm going to
Speaker 4: shut up is how they say, well, if you're ill,
Speaker 4: you brought that onto your negative thinking. That is bullshit.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you.
Speaker 4: So that I never sat around thinking, oh, gee, I
Speaker 4: really want to be poor, or oh I'm so negative.
Speaker 4: I've always been a positive thinker, but I still had
Speaker 4: to crawl my way out of poverty. So that is
Speaker 4: bogus and that's my rant, and I will shut up now.
Speaker 5: Well, And to add that, I think that you know,
Speaker 5: ultimately the idea of manifestation as an artist, and I'm
Speaker 5: constantly creating something out of nothing. It's it's an alchemical process.
Speaker 5: But within the individual, you know, if the if the
Speaker 5: creator made us in the model of himself, of itself,
Speaker 5: then we are indeed creators as well. So if we
Speaker 5: focus our minds and we push towards and work, that's
Speaker 5: the thing you got to put the work in in
Speaker 5: order to make these things come about. So it's a
Speaker 5: matter of the focus, you know. And this goes back
Speaker 5: to like the book The Secret that was the big
Speaker 5: pop hit, which goes back to The Secret Secretarium, which
Speaker 5: you know is an older kind of manifestation book. But
Speaker 5: even when you go back to like Osiris, who his
Speaker 5: fourteen parts represent the parts of the moon, with one
Speaker 5: missing being that new moon. It says specifically that as
Speaker 5: he moves through the heavens in the masculine form, because
Speaker 5: he was an ander John, that he puts out matter
Speaker 5: like almost like this malleable It maybe like the ether
Speaker 5: per se, but it's it's this thing that we can
Speaker 5: as individuals grab a hold of and turn into something.
Speaker 5: You know, it's malleable. And if we look around us
Speaker 5: in day to day life, every single thing has been
Speaker 5: the creation or the manifestation of someone, you know, from
Speaker 5: our computers to the you know, the headphones, to the woods,
Speaker 5: everything that we have in existence, someone has taken the
Speaker 5: time to put the focus in to bring that thing
Speaker 5: into our reality. So manifestation, I think is just really
Speaker 5: kind of a common part of existing within the physical
Speaker 5: and and you know, we can use these cycles and
Speaker 5: and this this malleable energy that the moon is scattering
Speaker 5: thereabouts in order to you know, and what Madam Blovatsky,
Speaker 5: you know, she says the moon is the siderial lunatic
Speaker 5: and she's in that sleeping crystallized form. It's like the
Speaker 5: idea of decomposition for the purpose of creation. So, you know,
Speaker 5: back to the moon again. But yeah, I think it's
Speaker 5: just the these natural cycles within physical reality that if
Speaker 5: we learn how to participate with them, that it you know,
Speaker 5: just like agriculture planting the seeds on you know, the
Speaker 5: new moon to draw the plant up. So there's it's
Speaker 5: it's commonly just mixed in and you know, the mysteries
Speaker 5: of vices. It's it's uh, it's just the reality that
Speaker 5: we coexist with.
Speaker 1: You know, Thank you, Roy.
Speaker 3: There was something I did want to ask real quick
Speaker 3: because I saw it in the chat, and I do
Speaker 3: think I think this might be interesting for people that
Speaker 3: aren't really into this stuff that much, because I was
Speaker 3: surprised myself once I started getting into magic. Somebody mentioned
Speaker 3: on the side something about the man in the moon
Speaker 3: going on, Like why is that phrase used when it's
Speaker 3: you know, a feminine thing the coming across you know,
Speaker 3: once I started getting into I guess lunar stuff or
Speaker 3: even Kabala. There is male deities associated with the moon,
Speaker 3: isn't there besides? You know, and I don't think a
Speaker 3: lot of people realize that. I think they always think
Speaker 3: it as it's just feminine. So is that your experience
Speaker 3: that that you've have you worked with male deities that
Speaker 3: would normally be associated with the moon?
Speaker 6: Jen I have the thing, there isn't a lot of uh,
Speaker 6: you know, information, you know, and and it's one of
Speaker 6: those things like you start bringing it up and people
Speaker 6: are like no, no, no, and it's like you you
Speaker 6: try to source as much as you can. And as
Speaker 6: I was kind of going a deep dive door with
Speaker 6: all of the moon stuff, I had a lot of
Speaker 6: very science y a lot of stuff from antiguity and then.
Speaker 2: Luel It's like, we need to shorten this part up,
Speaker 2: like it was the fun part. I love.
Speaker 6: I loved doing the research. Honestly, I got so lost
Speaker 6: in the research of it. And you know, a lot
Speaker 6: of a lot of the deity.
Speaker 2: That were male.
Speaker 6: It just didn't it didn't hold because it is considered
Speaker 6: so feminine that people just just hyper focused on that.
Speaker 6: And that is really where they went with it, and
Speaker 6: I have, you know, kind of worked a little bit
Speaker 6: here and there, and then it's even nailing down the
Speaker 6: different like the names, because they changed so much and
Speaker 6: some are completely different, and that's always that's kind of
Speaker 6: one of my things too. I want to really start
Speaker 6: I want to dive into It's on you know, it's
Speaker 6: on the list of things You're like, oh, this is
Speaker 6: really interesting, and you know, one day I'll research that more.
Speaker 6: And I think that it's very interesting because just in
Speaker 6: Deity in general, people just kind of automatically, I think,
Speaker 6: conditioned to associate different things with the male female.
Speaker 2: So I even actually wanted to kind of bring in
Speaker 2: a couple.
Speaker 6: Of free in the male moon phases, and they wanted
Speaker 6: they were really more like, you know what, let's keep it,
Speaker 6: Let's keep it with you know, the female, because that's
Speaker 6: what people are familiar with. So my my hope is
Speaker 6: that one day kind of do more of an advanced
Speaker 6: moon magic book and so I can really dive into
Speaker 6: that because I think it's fascinating and I think it's
Speaker 6: very untapped and there's a lot that you can get
Speaker 6: from that and even combining and working you know, just
Speaker 6: when we work with other things, and we work with
Speaker 6: a male and female and just just even combining that
Speaker 6: and energies of that, I think there's it's just a
Speaker 6: different level of magic.
Speaker 2: I think you get too at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just give me a new idea for a new
Speaker 1: topic to do myself. Male deities is so smooth.
Speaker 5: The moon, well, you've got yeah, you've got addists, You've
Speaker 5: got many cosyrus. I mean, there's there's a whole plethora
Speaker 5: of deity male deities that are associated with the moon.
Speaker 5: But the thing is, when you go back into that
Speaker 5: ancient world, a lot of these ideas were very hermaphroditic
Speaker 5: and the idea. Yeah, so it depends upon that. And
Speaker 5: it's like cosmology itself, you know, depending on the angle
Speaker 5: and where it's at in the sky, it has different
Speaker 5: energy and associations. So you know, I just I think
Speaker 5: it's it's very you know, it's very just a non
Speaker 5: non sexually oriented per se. It becomes more holistic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean it's such an interesting topic
Speaker 6: and you can really and I and I was starting
Speaker 6: to side quest a little too hard with it.
Speaker 2: I had to put it down for now and kind
Speaker 2: of get into it.
Speaker 6: But that's it's definitely just you know, like I said,
Speaker 6: just it's kind of everybody just is intersects. Like you said,
Speaker 6: like it's all just this one deity, and then once
Speaker 6: you combine that again, it's like I just feel like
Speaker 6: it's a whole different level of manifestation that you can
Speaker 6: go on and you just have so you almost have
Speaker 6: double to tap into in different energies and working with
Speaker 6: that and seeing how those energies feel to you and
Speaker 6: how you can work with them.
Speaker 2: So I think it's definitely very interesting. And I did, you.
Speaker 6: Know, touch on just you know, it's mostly just female,
Speaker 6: but I did. I did tap into some that most
Speaker 6: people don't work with and how to work for them
Speaker 6: and you work with them, you know. I have a
Speaker 6: ton of you know, recommendations too, like people want to
Speaker 6: start really diving into different different types of the deity
Speaker 6: and all that. So I've read all these other books
Speaker 6: and really cited a lot from them so that I
Speaker 6: you know, they're just trusted resources and I think, you know,
Speaker 6: that is really important when people are looking for.
Speaker 2: Books online too, and I'm side questing and you know,
Speaker 2: just citing those you know, looking at that looking at
Speaker 2: the back of the book and seeing that there's you know,
Speaker 2: eight pages of the bibliography, questions, there's all these things
Speaker 2: that means that this person took the time and read
Speaker 2: through them and source them, and then Llewellyn on top
Speaker 2: of it did it as well. And you know, I
Speaker 2: think it's really important to do that with any books,
Speaker 2: but especially when you're working with the and stuff. I
Speaker 2: think it's so important to just source your material because there's.
Speaker 6: So much stop online right now that yeah, it's kind
Speaker 6: of scary, and people are just making their memes out
Speaker 6: of it and just quoting all these things. That's crazy,
Speaker 6: and so you know, I think it's just so important
Speaker 6: to do that because you're just gonna dampen your magic
Speaker 6: if you start using all that AI sop.
Speaker 2: That's just what it is.
Speaker 4: I don't can be starting on that topic.
Speaker 1: I know it is.
Speaker 4: You will be ranting all day, all day on this podcast,
Speaker 4: will be doing nothing but ranting. You're you're touch of
Speaker 4: the hotspots.
Speaker 5: Primary I know.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Even the bibliography of citations is even stuff I've been
Speaker 3: incorporating into my own stuff when I when I do
Speaker 3: my own solo shit, it's because, uh, for two reasons. One,
Speaker 3: if you're actually interested in what I'm talking about, you
Speaker 3: can go read that stuff and find more detail because
Speaker 3: I'm not covering all of it.
Speaker 1: I'm just taking snippets.
Speaker 3: And to show that, like I'm just not pulling it
Speaker 3: out of my ass and making it up, you know.
Speaker 3: So I think that's actually very important. It's something I've
Speaker 3: even wanted to do just with my audio, not even
Speaker 3: a book. But uh yeah, I uh, I think, uh,
Speaker 3: it was something I think you and Robbie both kind
Speaker 3: of said, uh, you know, and then then after this
Speaker 3: we'll go into another question. But I do find it
Speaker 3: interesting though that I think when you kind of like
Speaker 3: look into moon deities, if you come across female deities,
Speaker 3: there seems to be a lot explanation about why.
Speaker 1: But then when you look into the men, it.
Speaker 3: Seems very like it doesn't seem like as much as
Speaker 3: they had to work off of, but like why, you know,
Speaker 3: So I do find that interesting something maybe to think about.
Speaker 1: But uh, yeah, what do you think? Or yeah?
Speaker 3: The next three questions I had was on manifestation and
Speaker 3: you just wipe that out. So why was the moon
Speaker 3: the right framework for this work rather than some other
Speaker 3: like magical structure.
Speaker 2: Because the moon's always is always there, no matter what,
Speaker 2: no matter when you can look outside and you know
Speaker 2: with of course it's the new moon.
Speaker 6: You can't really see it, but you know it's there.
Speaker 6: It's familiar everybody. You know, even if you don't care
Speaker 6: about what the moon does. If you see a beautiful
Speaker 6: full moon, you're looking at that, or you know you
Speaker 6: got one of the quarter moons and it's the cheshire
Speaker 6: cat look, you know. I mean, people are always they
Speaker 6: notice it, they know it's there.
Speaker 2: So it's so.
Speaker 6: Easy to learn these phases. And it doesn't need to
Speaker 6: be complicated. And that's something that I have four kids,
Speaker 6: you know, we own a business and all of those things,
Speaker 6: so I don't have time always to do three hour rituals.
Speaker 2: You know, I have time to do our long spells.
Speaker 6: And I really wanted to make it practical and I
Speaker 6: wanted to make it doable. You could go to the
Speaker 6: dollar store and buy all the shit you need to
Speaker 6: do it to work with the moon phases.
Speaker 2: It's easy, and that's really what I wanted to do.
Speaker 2: Especially when people are first starting, it's overwhelming. And again
Speaker 2: go online and you see these beautifully curated feeds, and
Speaker 2: you see these spells and you see all this, and
Speaker 2: I always say done is better than perfect. Just do it.
Speaker 2: If all you're doing.
Speaker 6: Is looking at the full moon and just like I
Speaker 6: want to get rid of this and that.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's fine, hun.
Speaker 6: But as you do that, you're going to see that
Speaker 6: things might be changing for you and yournset, mindset might
Speaker 6: be changing a little bit.
Speaker 2: And you're all right, well, what things if I do
Speaker 2: something on the new moon?
Speaker 6: It's such a segue to magic, just like kind of taro,
Speaker 6: you know, is.
Speaker 2: Like the segue to divination. Most times, it's just easy.
Speaker 6: To use and it doesn't have to be complicated. So's
Speaker 6: that's why I really liked.
Speaker 2: You know, I really wanted to create this book, and
Speaker 2: why I like working with them money.
Speaker 4: So I have a question too. So you guys were
Speaker 4: talking about deities. Now, I'm a very non religious person,
Speaker 4: even though I have a lot of religious crap around here. Listen,
Speaker 4: I'm not religious. Everyone knows that. So you know, for me,
Speaker 4: with the moon, working with the deity is not something
Speaker 4: I do. I work with the moon phases and with astrology,
Speaker 4: the astrology is everything. But I've been you know, I
Speaker 4: started with astrology before I got into tarrll. So do
Speaker 4: you feel that you should work with the deity or
Speaker 4: is just doing the astrology fine? Do we need to
Speaker 4: incorporate the lunar phases or simplify? I mean, because there's
Speaker 4: so many different ways you could go. What someone like
Speaker 4: me who says, you know what I don't I'm not
Speaker 4: going to pray to a deity mass Nicholson.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it.
Speaker 6: And you know a lot of times, you know, most
Speaker 6: people that are just starting, they don't even know what
Speaker 6: that is. They don't even and or they come from
Speaker 6: a traumatic religious background and they're.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not working with any God, God is anything.
Speaker 2: I don't want anything to do with any of it.
Speaker 6: That's fine, And honestly I put all of this information
Speaker 6: in there for you too, again, like choose you're an advenger,
Speaker 6: decide what you want to do. All right, Well, I
Speaker 6: am gonna work with deity, I'm gonna or I'm just
Speaker 6: gonna work with the astrology of them.
Speaker 2: That's totally fine. It's whatever works for you.
Speaker 6: But I do courage you to try it at least once,
Speaker 6: you know, maybe turn it out, just see because sometimes
Speaker 6: you're like, yeah, this isn't for me, and it's not,
Speaker 6: you know, and I make it so that it's a
Speaker 6: part of your moon alter during the moon phases and
Speaker 6: all of that. And you know, even if you want
Speaker 6: to have an alter, you don't. You really, Again, these
Speaker 6: are all tools. They're just all of these things to
Speaker 6: help you along the way to organize your magic, to
Speaker 6: focus your magic. You know, you work with deity, you're
Speaker 6: just getting an extra magical boost, you know, like kind
Speaker 6: of having like a spiritual team.
Speaker 2: It's just kind of adding that a little more flavor
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 6: And if you don't want to work with them, or
Speaker 6: you don't resonate with that, don't, don't.
Speaker 2: Just it's fine.
Speaker 6: It's it's not gonna going to effect your manifestation because
Speaker 6: that's all within you.
Speaker 2: That is all you.
Speaker 6: And as long as you're doing that where and paying
Speaker 6: attention to how you're feeling and do and and shadowy
Speaker 6: stuff is going to show up as well. And that
Speaker 6: is a that is a given. And a lot of
Speaker 6: people don't want to fully manifest. They rather do the
Speaker 6: you know, oh, I'm going to spend ten grand on
Speaker 6: this manifestation coach, because they're going to tell me what
Speaker 6: to do. And they told me that if I didn't
Speaker 6: put in money, I'm not going to get money back.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a pet peeve of mind. And I
Speaker 2: know people who.
Speaker 6: Do that like I specificly, and I've seen them drain
Speaker 6: people's bank accounts for that.
Speaker 2: So that's such a that's an ick of mine. But
Speaker 2: if you, like I said, if you, if you.
Speaker 6: Can go to the dollar store and buy everything you
Speaker 6: need and you don't even want to work with Deity,
Speaker 6: or you print out a picture of you know, Selene
Speaker 6: and put it just next to your computer, I'm happy
Speaker 6: with that.
Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be you know, perfect, It just
Speaker 2: needs to be happening.
Speaker 6: You're taking that action by even working with the gods,
Speaker 6: are trying it out.
Speaker 2: You're taking an action seeing is does this work for me?
Speaker 2: Does it not work for me?
Speaker 6: And then you get to know yourself more as you
Speaker 6: try out all these different tools too, and that's really
Speaker 6: important because once you know yourself, it does make your
Speaker 6: magic more focused and easier use.
Speaker 4: I do like that you said that you don't just
Speaker 4: spend ten thousand dollars on a coach to manifest things,
Speaker 4: because that is so weird to be and what they're
Speaker 4: doing is they're the ones who are actually manifesting things,
Speaker 4: testing me, right, They're going to listen, Yeah, whatever your
Speaker 4: hustle is. I'm not going to totally judge that, but
Speaker 4: I would feel like that ten thousand dollars, man, I
Speaker 4: could invest that well.
Speaker 5: But they're also they're also taking your idea, your imagination
Speaker 5: in regard to what you think manifestation is in order
Speaker 5: to achieve that and manipulating it so that they can
Speaker 5: take your energetic force that is the mover of money, you.
Speaker 4: Know, like vampires.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're looking that to them, like you you're okay,
Speaker 6: you send them that ten grand or whatever, like you
Speaker 6: kind of are giving your agency over to them at
Speaker 6: that point. And then it's like, okay, well, I don't
Speaker 6: trust myself, I don't trust my intuition, I don't trust
Speaker 6: any of these things.
Speaker 2: And for some reason they think they can trust that person.
Speaker 2: But it's just one.
Speaker 6: It's just trying to kind of get away from that.
Speaker 6: And I feel like the more we talk about what
Speaker 6: really manifestation is and that.
Speaker 2: You have to do the work, you can give them
Speaker 2: all the money you want and it's.
Speaker 6: Not going to do anything for you, you know, it's
Speaker 6: just it's not. It's they're going to send you some
Speaker 6: Google documents and they're gonna be like, look, this is
Speaker 6: a win. Look, this is a win, and it really
Speaker 6: isn't because at the end of the day, nothing's going
Speaker 6: to happen. You're gonna be out ten grand and they're
Speaker 6: going to be in a vacation in Tahiti or something.
Speaker 4: And you could have taken that ten thousand dollars, invested
Speaker 4: it and with compound interests over the years, made a
Speaker 4: crapload of money instead, which is now here's my practical
Speaker 4: side coming up, which doesn't sound very mad, but I mean,
Speaker 4: you could have done that instead, and or you could
Speaker 4: have started your own business. You know, there's so many
Speaker 4: things you could have done with that ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Instead of paying for someone else's vacation.
Speaker 3: Ten thousand dollars, you could have sorry, sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 3: go ahead.
Speaker 2: No, no, no no.
Speaker 6: And I've actually tried to kind of there's a couple
Speaker 6: of people that I knew, somebody who continue she does
Speaker 6: it now, and I've actually talked to some of these
Speaker 6: clients and I just would be like, listen, you know,
Speaker 6: because she wanted me to helper but at that point
Speaker 6: I was like, this is disgusting.
Speaker 2: I'm not doing this, But.
Speaker 6: I would tell these people if you have to go
Speaker 6: into debt, if you cannot pay your bills, this is
Speaker 6: not manifesting, This isn't helping you. What can you take
Speaker 6: this money, like Teresa said, and what.
Speaker 2: Can you do with it?
Speaker 5: What?
Speaker 2: How can you use it.
Speaker 6: In a way that it's going to multiply that it's
Speaker 6: going to actually move you forward.
Speaker 2: What's that big action step that you can take and
Speaker 2: use for that?
Speaker 6: And once you explained it to them in a different
Speaker 6: way instead of getting all caught up up in the
Speaker 6: frills and the sparkles and the rainbows and all that,
Speaker 6: then they were like, oh, oh yeah, okay, wait, yeah
Speaker 6: I can't do that. What am I thinking? You know,
Speaker 6: my kid needs their preschool paid for the next year.
Speaker 6: I could pay that the whole year off and then
Speaker 6: I can work on something else. And so sometimes the
Speaker 6: people use lose that practicality online because they just see
Speaker 6: all of the glitter, all of like that person posting
Speaker 6: like oh here's my my my fancy purse, and here's
Speaker 6: my vacation and here's that, but they actually don't even
Speaker 6: own all that stuff. They just take it for the
Speaker 6: picture and like somebody they're poor and they're like, oh,
Speaker 6: look at my purse, and then they put it back
Speaker 6: when they're done.
Speaker 5: But that's yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Can I also say too, why is the manifestation
Speaker 4: coaches always focus on material goods? Why is it always
Speaker 4: about ugly? Let me just say this out loud. It
Speaker 4: is ugly. Why do I want a ship grown purse
Speaker 4: with someone else's will go on it? I don't, And
Speaker 4: I mean why is that always like pushed towards us
Speaker 4: like this is what we should want. It's so disgusting,
Speaker 4: Like I don't want a luxurification.
Speaker 1: I have no interest.
Speaker 4: Yeah exactly. I want peace of mind. I don't want
Speaker 4: to worry. I want security. And by the way, jug
Speaker 4: the go at five three four three, which I love
Speaker 4: your name, said, you know it sounds like church when
Speaker 4: giving these people this money. I mean something you can
Speaker 4: go ostein. What the hell do you get nothing? But
Speaker 4: he's got through giant church money. Just trust, I mean
Speaker 4: just trust that I think that stuff that well, that's
Speaker 4: spending on that stuff or or the constant like focus
Speaker 4: on I'm gonna do this manifestation work just to have
Speaker 4: all this might, well, now what now you've got the money,
Speaker 4: what are you gonna do. Are you gonna be like
Speaker 4: al Musk sitting on it being an asshole, or you're
Speaker 4: gonna take that money.
Speaker 5: And you're gonna So I was going to say that, No,
Speaker 5: not at all, not at all. When you get into
Speaker 5: the idea of manifestation and the idea of mercury and
Speaker 5: the idea of bringing these things about, you also have
Speaker 5: to realize that mercury is the god of liars, travelers,
Speaker 5: and thieves, and they, the ancient murkers, were the merchants,
Speaker 5: and they would pile goods at crossroads for mercury, and
Speaker 5: if anybody stole it, they were cursed. But that moves
Speaker 5: into the modern idea of the because it's mercury the murker,
Speaker 5: the mercantialism turns into the merchant class, which gives us
Speaker 5: the ideas of these things that we want. They're using
Speaker 5: our imagination to manifest for them because they know how
Speaker 5: to interject these things into our mind. So these are
Speaker 5: powers we have to take back for ourselves and into
Speaker 5: the natural turning of what you know reality you really
Speaker 5: is versus the things that were being kind of given
Speaker 5: to affect our sensibilities.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm just gonna go on all of them
Speaker 6: and say this is mercury coded and leave not even saying.
Speaker 2: I do what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: But I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: See, you don't pay attention, but it is. And and.
Speaker 6: You know, the manifesting, like Teresa was saying, how you
Speaker 6: even talking about talking about in the book, And it's
Speaker 6: not it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not physical things. It's not unless you're like trying
Speaker 2: to physically feel better.
Speaker 6: You know, a lot of the times, even when say
Speaker 6: you do want to manifest a new house or something
Speaker 6: like that, that's something then usually you're doing first, I
Speaker 6: gotta work on my finances. That could be a whole
Speaker 6: working on your finances, going through pass to try to
Speaker 6: like get that organized. The next one could be, you know,
Speaker 6: getting your house organized. And I said you to organize
Speaker 6: your house through the moon phases. That's a great way
Speaker 6: to do it, to kind of keep you in line
Speaker 6: and give you that focus because again I side quest
Speaker 6: and I'll be in my room with three hats on
Speaker 6: reading a book from ten years ago when I shouldn't
Speaker 6: be in my kitchen.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just this is what I do so,
Speaker 2: but you know, if you go by the phases and
Speaker 2: you just make a loose outline, and again, it doesn't
Speaker 2: need to be complicated. And that's really what I tried
Speaker 2: to make, really a point in my book too, is
Speaker 2: just do it. Just try it out, see what works,
Speaker 2: see what doesn't.
Speaker 6: And when that shadow stuff is popping up, work on it,
Speaker 6: pay attention to it, do something about it. You don't
Speaker 6: have to dive in the deep dark hole of nothingness
Speaker 6: and be gone.
Speaker 2: But they're popping up for a reason. And you may
Speaker 2: get through half of the moon cycle and all of
Speaker 2: this shit's popping up and you're like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can keep going.
Speaker 6: You know what, you've done all that work prior, and
Speaker 6: this is why it's showing up now Like it's working.
Speaker 6: It's working, can keep going, you know, doc like just
Speaker 6: cook it with a stick.
Speaker 2: A little bit and you don't have to like go
Speaker 2: awful Nanzi on it. And then before you know it,
Speaker 2: you're you've really changed your mindset and you you you're
Speaker 2: learning to trust your intuition as well. And again that's
Speaker 2: such an important part.
Speaker 4: Of all of this.
Speaker 3: Sure one thing I wanted to kind of touch on.
Speaker 3: I've mentioned a little bit before with other people that
Speaker 3: on the show, but I do like to bring it
Speaker 3: up because I don't think it's something a lot of
Speaker 3: people realize too, And it wasn't even something I really
Speaker 3: noticed too much until I got into practicing myself. A
Speaker 3: lot of rituals and stuff really depending on how you're
Speaker 3: doing it. And I guess what kind of like, you know,
Speaker 3: school of thought you're from, does all focus around which
Speaker 3: way of the moon is as well, like if it's
Speaker 3: waxing and waning, it's depends on what you're gonna do.
Speaker 3: I don't know if there's anything like maybe you could
Speaker 3: kind of touch on with that, you know, to give
Speaker 3: listeners an idea of like how you would use it.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: A really easy thing to think about to consider is
Speaker 6: if you want to bring something in you want to
Speaker 6: work in the waxing phases, so the new moon to
Speaker 6: the full moon waxing, So even that, what do you
Speaker 6: want to bring in, Like it's that type of action
Speaker 6: you go to the full moon to the dark moon,
Speaker 6: it's waning. Waiting is really kind of getting rid of
Speaker 6: what isn't working, and that.
Speaker 2: Could be something that you were trying in the waxing phases.
Speaker 6: You just you get to that waning phases and this
Speaker 6: isn't really working for me, get rid of it, you know.
Speaker 2: And you can change it up.
Speaker 6: Then the integrating and that's again when also that mindset
Speaker 6: change you're noticing, Okay, things are changing, you're shifting.
Speaker 2: How can I work with this now?
Speaker 6: So that's a very easy way to think about it
Speaker 6: if you don't really if you're not familiar with the phases,
Speaker 6: and then you know, as you get used to them
Speaker 6: and you start to get more familiar, then you can
Speaker 6: kind of critique it and get more detailed with certain
Speaker 6: things and and kind of go from there.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Now, kind of like I also know from my own experience,
Speaker 3: sometimes full moons or new moons themselves can be used,
Speaker 3: might even be looked at a little bit more importantly
Speaker 3: stronger than others. How would you go ahead and like,
Speaker 3: you know, the full moon or new moon. Would you
Speaker 3: say anything different about that than what you just said?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 3: Would you consider like the samples the waxing of the
Speaker 3: waning just at its max?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I think you know there are the
Speaker 6: main kind of the main moon phases that we have
Speaker 6: that most people know the new moon, the full moon,
Speaker 6: and you know a lot of times the dark moon,
Speaker 6: like all like those are the ones everybody seems to
Speaker 6: know and are familiar with, so they do carry a
Speaker 6: bigger energy and it's the kind of the beginning of things.
Speaker 6: The new moon is the being, it's when it's coming
Speaker 6: back around and that's when you can start. It's dark
Speaker 6: like you know, ry We was saying, like this planting
Speaker 6: of those seeds, like that's when we're kind of getting
Speaker 6: ready to do that, and we're planting those.
Speaker 2: Seeds what we want to grow through the phase, through.
Speaker 6: The cycle rather and the full moon also is that release.
Speaker 6: You know a lot of times people release during that time,
Speaker 6: but you can also still manifest at that point.
Speaker 2: But sometimes, you know, you have to let go of
Speaker 2: things to bring in things. It's just making that energetic space.
Speaker 6: In my book, I actually have I want tarot cart
Speaker 6: associated with each phase, and for the full moon, I
Speaker 6: have the sun.
Speaker 2: And the moon for that balance, because I like to
Speaker 2: focus it more on that balance because again, you're in
Speaker 2: that middle of the what are you letting go of?
Speaker 2: What are you bringing in?
Speaker 6: Would we need to make space for what is the
Speaker 6: moon shining on again, those shadowy parts that maybe need
Speaker 6: a little bit of attention. What is that sun shining
Speaker 6: on you that you're showing to people and how you're
Speaker 6: presenting yourself. Is that how you want to be presenting yourself,
Speaker 6: you know, to the outside world, or maybe that shadow
Speaker 6: you know, that shadowy part is kind of sneaking in
Speaker 6: there and you need to kind of redirect, you know,
Speaker 6: get yourself straight. So I think that those are a
Speaker 6: little bit bigger just because of the energy of them.
Speaker 6: But I also do think it's bigger because people are
Speaker 6: more familiar with them as well.
Speaker 4: So I have a weird question for you now. You
Speaker 4: guys got me thinking. So you said, you have a
Speaker 4: moon in Aris and you're born near a full moon.
Speaker 4: I have a moon a scorpio. I'm born near an
Speaker 4: eclipse and near a full moon. Do you think that
Speaker 4: the phase that you were born in is where you're
Speaker 4: going to be more powerful with your manifestation work. I
Speaker 4: don't know if that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 4: No, I mean I've always told that I should you
Speaker 4: should never do magic on the eclipse, and I'm like eclipses,
Speaker 4: So I mean, what do you feel about that?
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: And I do have a chapter in the end about
Speaker 6: eclipses and all of that, working with that because it's
Speaker 6: such a hot topic and people have so many opinions
Speaker 6: on it, and for me, I explain it like it's
Speaker 6: a two way radio.
Speaker 2: You know, you have your little twenty in my head.
Speaker 2: This is how it looks in my head. Anyway.
Speaker 6: It's like a little twenties, you know, two way radio,
Speaker 6: and you got your nice little jazz music plane in
Speaker 6: the background. When the eclipses come through, it's just turning
Speaker 6: that dial up a little bit.
Speaker 2: That energy is getting amplified. And it depends on.
Speaker 6: Is it a partial eclipse, is it a full eclipse?
Speaker 6: About how high that's getting turned up?
Speaker 2: And we can use that energy and it's.
Speaker 6: Not something to be afraid of because you know it's
Speaker 6: happening again.
Speaker 2: Astrology. It's all there for as long as you want
Speaker 2: to look it up. There it is.
Speaker 6: And a lot of people really are like, oh, it's chaos.
Speaker 2: It's chaos magic, it's this, that and the other thing.
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with chaos magic, and we know what
Speaker 2: we're getting into. If that scares you, educate yourself on it.
Speaker 2: Read a book on chas magic. Understand it a little bit,
Speaker 2: but it's just focusing your energy. You know that it's
Speaker 2: going to be that eclipse moon. That energy is going
Speaker 2: to be amplified. You choose am I going to use it?
Speaker 2: Or am I not going to use it? And I
Speaker 2: always say use it because why the hell not? I mean,
Speaker 2: why why wouldn't you?
Speaker 6: But some people are afraid of it, and it's mostly
Speaker 6: because of other people, and they go online and they're like,
Speaker 6: don't do this, don't do that, don't do that, and
Speaker 6: that is really a reflection on them and their fears,
Speaker 6: and it's like, why are you letting somebody else's you know,
Speaker 6: fears and mindset affects your magic and what you do.
Speaker 2: Decide for yourself again, try it out, see how it
Speaker 2: works for you. If you work with it.
Speaker 6: And you're like, yeah, it's a little too much, I'm
Speaker 6: not ready for that yet, that's fine. You get still
Speaker 6: work through it just as you would any other moon,
Speaker 6: and that's and it's not going to dampen your magic
Speaker 6: at all. Or you work with it and you amplify
Speaker 6: a little bit. It's your choice, but it's not something
Speaker 6: be afraid of. It's not something that's just thrown onto
Speaker 6: you and you're going to be tailspinned in you know,
Speaker 6: tower moments.
Speaker 2: I'm all over the place. I mean, sometimes they need
Speaker 2: to happen, so they happened.
Speaker 6: But I definitely don't want people to be afraid to
Speaker 6: try to work with that magic.
Speaker 2: And you're you know, if a moon is in your sign,
Speaker 2: that your.
Speaker 6: Moon sign is, and I do talk about that too,
Speaker 6: and it's very easy to figure out the moon sign
Speaker 6: as if you don't know what it is.
Speaker 2: I'm sure Teresa has plenty of resources for all that
Speaker 2: good stuff.
Speaker 6: And you know you can also like I'm Aris, so
Speaker 6: I know an Aria's full moon.
Speaker 2: I'm doing. I'm doing all the things like if I'm
Speaker 2: going to go out any moon, it's going to be
Speaker 2: that one.
Speaker 6: And because I want to, you know, I want to
Speaker 6: reach my magical potential. I want to harness what I
Speaker 6: can and if I want to manifest something big, I'm
Speaker 6: going to use that cycle to do it because I
Speaker 6: know that it's it's.
Speaker 2: My I'm familiar with that energy.
Speaker 6: I'm like, my my body, my spirit, all of that
Speaker 6: is familiar with that energy.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to work with it. It's great to
Speaker 2: work with to strengthen your intuition, to strengthen your magic.
Speaker 6: If you want to try to work on different you know,
Speaker 6: divination maybe you haven't tried or different you know, work
Speaker 6: on some of your Claire's during that time.
Speaker 2: That's a great thing to do. So yeah, utilize it,
Speaker 2: like if it's there for you, use it, use it.
Speaker 4: I thought so too. So but what is everyone's moon?
Speaker 4: And now now you know so we've already established it.
Speaker 4: We both have warrior moons moon and areas of moon
Speaker 4: and scorpio.
Speaker 5: What about you, guys, I'm Scorpio.
Speaker 2: That's moon.
Speaker 5: Ever, so I was going to say, now, when you
Speaker 5: look at the moon as far as cyclically, the odd
Speaker 5: thing about it, you know, she's called Madame Bolvotsky calls
Speaker 5: her the siderial lunatic because she rides in both day
Speaker 5: and in night. And when you look at the eclipses themselves,
Speaker 5: whenever you're going to have a full solar eclipse, that
Speaker 5: it's always in a new moon and the new moon,
Speaker 5: and you can't see it until the eclipse is happening.
Speaker 5: So there's something intrinsically interesting about that phase of the
Speaker 5: new moon and the planting and the pushing forth coming
Speaker 5: out of the decomposition, you know, which leads to the
Speaker 5: resurrection and the and the higher forms and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: it's uh just but as far as the deity, you know,
Speaker 5: the moon itself is a force that is prehistoric. So
Speaker 5: kind of all of these ideas of these various moon deities,
Speaker 5: either male or female, are built on the inherent understanding
Speaker 5: of humanity incurring those cycles and kind of the ideas
Speaker 5: that have been built around it into the way we
Speaker 5: think about it in moderns.
Speaker 2: You know, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 4: Take what you're moon and you gotta tell us.
Speaker 3: I'm actually in Aries and my moon is in Leo. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and I think it's also my rising sign is Leo too.
Speaker 1: I got a lot of fire.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a Scorpio with my moon and Scorpio.
Speaker 4: So do you know the best reading I ever had
Speaker 4: in my life was from someone who was a Scorpio
Speaker 4: Moon and Scorpio, Scorpio, rising Scorpio.
Speaker 5: It's it's, uh, the well, they it's the bottom of
Speaker 5: the bucket. We're in the water, we're swimming in the
Speaker 5: depths of the darkness, so we're kind of participating with
Speaker 5: those you know, divine feminine energies that are represented indeed
Speaker 5: by the moon.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a Sagittarius rising.
Speaker 4: Fire fire, so you're fire a fire fire fire, and
Speaker 4: then Glorpio scorpio. What's your ascendant.
Speaker 5: Scorpia, so your triple score. I'm a triple scorpio.
Speaker 4: Just my friend who did that reading? And I'm a
Speaker 4: Gemini mona scorpio and lib rising, so a lot of air.
Speaker 1: Liesome.
Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, I've been in here.
Speaker 1: I did, I did. I did want to try to
Speaker 1: get a little.
Speaker 3: Bit into U maybe a little bit transition into more
Speaker 3: of I guess kind of like actual ritual practice or
Speaker 3: things that you would like, you know, from theory going
Speaker 3: into practice when one starts building a relationship with the cycle,
Speaker 3: Like what are actual tools that you would help I
Speaker 3: guess suggest to start a relationship, a concrete relationship with
Speaker 3: the moon, you know, and I think one of them
Speaker 3: you might suggest a moon journal, correct.
Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely, and really a moon journal to just at
Speaker 6: first before you even start anything, is how do these
Speaker 6: how do these phases phases feel to you? And recording that,
Speaker 6: like actually making a moon journal about that, I mean,
Speaker 6: you can write your thoughts and feelings on each one
Speaker 6: that's going to still.
Speaker 2: Give the flavor of that, but how how are you feeling?
Speaker 6: Because as you are starting your moon manifesting journey, knowing
Speaker 6: how you feel during the phases is really important. And
Speaker 6: then adding on even the astrology to that. You know,
Speaker 6: so so today what is today made give us Sagittarius?
Speaker 6: I think, let me look, let me looks to me,
Speaker 6: yeah it is okay. Yeah, So even looking into that
Speaker 6: and seeing and as you know, and just kind of
Speaker 6: looking it over even after that cycle's over, and taking
Speaker 6: time to learn the first half of my book is
Speaker 6: all just kind of building the practice and learning it.
Speaker 6: We're so conditioned to do everything so fast right away.
Speaker 6: The second I think it's so important to take the
Speaker 6: time to actually get to know what you're doing and
Speaker 6: how it makes you feel.
Speaker 2: We can do things all day long. We can do spells,
Speaker 2: we can do ritual, we can do all of those things,
Speaker 2: but if you're just being performative, it's not going to
Speaker 2: go anywhere. And again, by doing that, you're also deciding
Speaker 2: what works and what doesn't. And I suggest a little
Speaker 2: bit different spell work.
Speaker 6: All of that to try and see what works for you,
Speaker 6: and you can tweak it, you know, if I suggest
Speaker 6: a red candle for something and you're like, you know,
Speaker 6: I'm really feeling that blue candle today, then use it.
Speaker 6: Then do that, But why why is that blue color
Speaker 6: attractive to you today?
Speaker 3: Like? Is it?
Speaker 2: What about it is lighting you up? Why? How can
Speaker 2: you use that energy? Is that something that you can create.
Speaker 6: An action step out of and it just kind of
Speaker 6: all leads into it. If you take your time and
Speaker 6: you slow down and you pay attention to what's going on.
Speaker 6: If you do a spell or you do ritual, write
Speaker 6: about how you felt after it, write about how or
Speaker 6: you know, just to see how you felt and if
Speaker 6: it were if it seemed to work. Wait a couple
Speaker 6: of days, see if you notice any signs. A lot
Speaker 6: of times you'll start seeing signs.
Speaker 2: You know, people see numbers, colors, animals, and you see
Speaker 2: that popping up. And every time you do something, you know,
Speaker 2: make sure you know why you're doing it, just as
Speaker 2: you set an intention, why are you setting that intention?
Speaker 2: Some people set intentions that I've seen because they think
Speaker 2: that's what they need. You know, I need, you know,
Speaker 2: I need that Louis Vauton purse.
Speaker 6: So I'm setting that you know, intention for that, But
Speaker 6: why do you need that what are you going to
Speaker 6: do with it? The thing's ten grand and all it's going.
Speaker 2: To do is sit in your closet because you're gonna
Speaker 2: be afraid to take it out. Why do you need it?
Speaker 4: You know? Oh?
Speaker 6: Well I really want it because I saw so and
Speaker 6: so had it, and I think.
Speaker 2: That makes me feel rich. If I had it, that.
Speaker 6: Would make me feel that would put me in the
Speaker 6: right money mindset, you know. And again you're like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, wait a minute, when you actually sit down
Speaker 6: and think about it for a minute, which is so stupid.
Speaker 2: I have to tell people to sit down and think right, like,
Speaker 2: think about what you're doing, because we are so used
Speaker 2: to just just doing whatever as quick as possible. So
Speaker 2: I think if.
Speaker 6: People are starting, it's just take it slow. Learn about
Speaker 6: all of these things, learn about what feels good, what
Speaker 6: does it and a think something doesn't resonate, always try
Speaker 6: it at least once, because you never know down the line,
Speaker 6: somebody else might be like, oh, you know what, I
Speaker 6: really wanted to try this ritual, but I don't think
Speaker 6: it's going to work for me, And you could say, well,
Speaker 6: you know what, I have an idea for you. It
Speaker 6: didn't work for me, but it may work for you,
Speaker 6: and it's always about passing and sharing and others.
Speaker 2: It's always it helps, and I think that's important when
Speaker 2: you're starting practice. Really and it's really the dumbest, most
Speaker 2: boring answer ever, but isn't it all. It's going the
Speaker 2: most not I'm sorry, I'm not gonna shoe unicorns out
Speaker 2: at you and confetti. It's really and you just have
Speaker 2: to You just have to just learn and start and
Speaker 2: know what you're doing and why you're doing it.
Speaker 3: You know, one thing I did want to add to
Speaker 3: something that you said about, like, oh, maybe choosing the
Speaker 3: blue candle. I don't want to get off like to
Speaker 3: science and nerdy when it comes to this, but like
Speaker 3: things that I have covered on the show, like stuff
Speaker 3: with colors and stuff with like certain herbs and you
Speaker 3: know how they actually affect your cranial nerves. I do
Speaker 3: wonder could a perfect example. Sometimes people may not know this,
Speaker 3: Like for me, there may be times where I want
Speaker 3: to eat carbs and it's not because I'm a fat ass.
Speaker 3: It's because my body's actually telling me you need sugar
Speaker 3: right now. Or I could be eating pickles because my
Speaker 3: body is like, you need salt and electrolytes, and I'm
Speaker 3: not you know, it's just an association, but it's making
Speaker 3: it feel better in that sense. Could the colored candle
Speaker 3: because of what that color does somehow telling you this
Speaker 3: is what I'm looking yes to ease, that this a
Speaker 3: feeling that I normally get with this blue candle or
Speaker 3: with these herbs that I normally smell, is going to
Speaker 3: give me the release I'm looking for. So maybe that's
Speaker 3: why sometimes you may actually pick those things over suggested stuff,
Speaker 3: because your body or your mind already has an association
Speaker 3: with what that color of those herbs are going to
Speaker 3: do for you. So I do think there might be
Speaker 3: you know, I believe it or not. When I was
Speaker 3: a ceremonial magician, I was very much to the point
Speaker 3: like everything you know, can't can't deviate. But I understand now,
Speaker 3: you know, after years of doing it. I you know,
Speaker 3: I do understand going off and trying your own thing
Speaker 3: and what worked for you, And I just wonder if
Speaker 3: that has something to do with it.
Speaker 6: That's all absolutely, I mean, we feel it in our body,
Speaker 6: and we need to feel it in our body. That's
Speaker 6: a part of our magic and who we are. And
Speaker 6: you know, all of that and I kind of god
Speaker 6: have broken down in my book mind, spirit, body, and
Speaker 6: I have that for each phase because I want you
Speaker 6: to like encompass.
Speaker 2: The whole thing. We're embodying all of it.
Speaker 6: And that is why I'm always like, yeah, try it out,
Speaker 6: see how it feels. Because there are things that we're
Speaker 6: familiar with and we might not even know why we're
Speaker 6: familiar with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 6: You know there's a reason, and why ignore that, because
Speaker 6: you know what, that might create a whole new pathway
Speaker 6: to manage a magical part of yourself you didn't even
Speaker 6: know existed and until you did it, you wouldn't even know.
Speaker 6: And a lot of people have that, and again, it's
Speaker 6: it's even going back to the intuition.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't trust it and they have.
Speaker 2: There are so many people I've met that are so intuitive,
Speaker 2: but they refuse to acknowledge it. Yeah, and you're just like, dude,
Speaker 2: you're so magical, like you could just like change everything,
Speaker 2: and they're like, I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 2: I want nothing to do with this, and it's almost
Speaker 2: like this is such a waste, being a waste, But
Speaker 2: sometimes I do against so you know, it's definitely. It's
Speaker 2: it's frustrating when you see that in somebody else, but
Speaker 2: we can't, you know, so we provide tools. Right again,
Speaker 2: it's providing the tools.
Speaker 6: I give herb suggestions, I give candle suggestions, I give
Speaker 6: crystal suggestions for that reason, because I wanted to light
Speaker 6: up something in your brain somewhere that you haven't used
Speaker 6: in a long time, probably since you were.
Speaker 2: A little kid. Because when we were a little kid,
Speaker 2: we were.
Speaker 6: Magical af and it was conditioned with us as we
Speaker 6: got older, and you know, and and all these people,
Speaker 6: you know, Aunt Joni.
Speaker 2: Was like, you know, stop talking about that. It's not real.
Speaker 6: And you're like, oh, what do you mean? And then
Speaker 6: you stop talking about it, and that's squashed. But years later,
Speaker 6: you might be wanting to work, you know, work with
Speaker 6: the moon, and you see this amethyst crystal and for
Speaker 6: some reason, like you're like, I absolutely love this crystal.
Speaker 6: This makes me feel so calm, this makes me And
Speaker 6: when you were little, you probably drew little purple crystals
Speaker 6: and you didn't even know it, right, like, so it
Speaker 6: does all tie together, and it's kind of going back
Speaker 6: to them, and by by working through the phases to
Speaker 6: even harness your intuition, even to harness your magic.
Speaker 2: That's something you can do again. It doesn't need to
Speaker 2: be a physical thing.
Speaker 6: And I feel like it's even more effective when you
Speaker 6: start working with just Okay, this moon phase, I'm working
Speaker 6: on my intuition.
Speaker 2: This, you know, this moon phase, I'm going to work
Speaker 2: on my divination and all of that. So as you
Speaker 2: move along, you.
Speaker 6: Really tap into that and you tackle any of these
Speaker 6: shadowy aspects that come up regarding that. You know, you
Speaker 6: may be working on Tara if you have, you know
Speaker 6: you're interested in it, but you haven't really done it.
Speaker 2: But you watched a movie and you know, Graham A
Speaker 2: Gretchen said, don't ever touch those. There's evil. They're the devil,
Speaker 2: you know. And I mean me as a kid, I
Speaker 2: would have been like, woo, let me see it. But
Speaker 2: some kids are like, I can't touch those anymore. But
Speaker 2: we may be really good at it because they're you know,
Speaker 2: very intuitive.
Speaker 6: But you know they were so conditioned not to touch them. Well,
Speaker 6: guess what, maybe now you can pick it up, play
Speaker 6: around a little bit, work on that during this moon
Speaker 6: cycle and see where it takes you.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much. That was great. You kind of
Speaker 1: touched them a little bit.
Speaker 3: You include deity crystals, herbs, oils, incense, and taro in
Speaker 3: lunar work. They are these like supports, amplifiers, gateways, essential
Speaker 3: parts of the practice. How do you look at that
Speaker 3: stuff when you incorporate that into your magic, and.
Speaker 2: It's kind of all of those, And it's all of
Speaker 2: those because.
Speaker 6: By giving you like physical tools to use, as far
Speaker 6: as taro, ritual, all of that, it is a part
Speaker 6: in helping you again to incorporate rate that whole practice
Speaker 6: into your body and become a practical part of your day.
Speaker 6: Even if you're doing if you're working with every moon cycle,
Speaker 6: or even if you can just start by pulling cards
Speaker 6: every day and it becomes a part of your routine,
Speaker 6: then it becomes a part of who you are and
Speaker 6: how you see the world. You know, as tower readers,
Speaker 6: how many times have you like grabbed a deck like
Speaker 6: I'm trying to decide between A and B. I'm gonna
Speaker 6: pull a card boom doup. It's like flipping a coin.
Speaker 6: If you can flip a coin, you can do divination.
Speaker 6: You can you know, and you're flipping poins to make decisions.
Speaker 2: Why don't you and your cancer, you know.
Speaker 6: And and it's it's when you start breaking it down
Speaker 6: like that you realize, like, oh, I'm using magical tools
Speaker 6: every day. You're you're blowing out the candles on a
Speaker 6: birthday cake.
Speaker 2: Hopping and you what do you to sit again?
Speaker 6: Sit back and you're mindful, and you start thinking about
Speaker 6: these things.
Speaker 2: I've already been doing all of this.
Speaker 6: Do you have to you know, stir your tea or
Speaker 6: your coffee in the morning three times?
Speaker 2: You don't know why you're doing it?
Speaker 6: Oh, you know what you're subconsciously, you know, stirring intentions.
Speaker 2: Into your day and you might not even know that
Speaker 2: you were doing it. So you're already kind of using
Speaker 2: these things. But I'm going to give you more stuff
Speaker 2: to use if you choose to and to try out
Speaker 2: and sometimes to have like these physical things to do,
Speaker 2: like doing this well, maintaining a moon altar again. It
Speaker 2: keeps you in that magical focus. It's it's that focusing,
Speaker 2: that magic so you can stay on task because we're
Speaker 2: all squirrelly. Yeah I am, you know, So it's it's
Speaker 2: being you on task.
Speaker 3: I think that's something I've even said myself. I'm glad
Speaker 3: you brought up the altar. I was going to get
Speaker 3: into that a little bit, but I think you kind
Speaker 3: of really touched on it enough here A lot of
Speaker 3: times for me when I used to have my ulta
Speaker 3: set up, It's just something I realized after practicing for
Speaker 3: a while. For me, it seems like all those things
Speaker 3: are just really keeping mind mind kind of on point
Speaker 3: of what I was really trying to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I have all these associations.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to start thinking about like, you know,
Speaker 3: what is my cat doing in the other room.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I'm going to be really
Speaker 1: focused on all these little specifics.
Speaker 3: So I think that all kind of helps, like even
Speaker 3: keep it honest, like mind fucking yourself just to stay
Speaker 3: on track.
Speaker 2: Yeah oh yeah, oh, you're just constantly tricking yourself into
Speaker 2: doing the.
Speaker 6: Things I mean, and even the way of course. But
Speaker 6: the affirmations, right, And that's another thing that people are like, oh,
Speaker 6: these are so dumb and whatever. But psychologically, when you
Speaker 6: see something repeated, it sits better.
Speaker 2: So I include a bunch of affirmations. I said, put
Speaker 2: them on your phone.
Speaker 6: There's apps that they will you can schedule them to
Speaker 6: pop up like every hour or every whatever, And just
Speaker 6: by looking at that affirmation, and it has to do
Speaker 6: with your intention, it's reminding you. It's that, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm doing this. Yeah I'm going to be successful in
Speaker 6: getting this house or whatever.
Speaker 2: But the more you see it, the more it's familiar,
Speaker 2: the more it takes away.
Speaker 6: It softens the edges of something that seems very scary.
Speaker 6: Like you know, if you just are like, Okay, in
Speaker 6: a couple of months, I'm getting a new house, and
Speaker 6: that's it, that's overwhelming, Like that's a lot of business happening.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of little steps.
Speaker 6: But if you take it and you're breaking it down
Speaker 6: and you are getting into the idea, you're envisioning it
Speaker 6: like it's already happening, it softens and it makes it
Speaker 6: more doable. It makes it more like it's already happened
Speaker 6: at yours. You've created that path.
Speaker 2: Now you just have to do the things to get there, right,
Speaker 2: So I think it more again, grounded, more practical, more doable.
Speaker 5: I have a question, So does your book go into
Speaker 5: the aspects of the dream world at all?
Speaker 2: Yes, dreamwork, Love, dream nice.
Speaker 6: So that Yes, I do have a couple of exercises
Speaker 6: in there, and I do talk about that, because I mean,
Speaker 6: that's a whole other realm of magic that you can
Speaker 6: tap into and use.
Speaker 2: And you're passed out, and so you know, I really
Speaker 2: have to do anything except either be in that dream world.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's work to do.
Speaker 6: You want to set those intentions before you go to sleep,
Speaker 6: and I do encourage people to that are starting to
Speaker 6: work with deity by trying to start working with them
Speaker 6: in your dreams. Sometimes I feel like it's a little
Speaker 6: more accessible that way. It doesn't make it so like oh,
Speaker 6: I'm lighting this candle and you know, for a hakaate
Speaker 6: and there we go, and that's it.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 6: It's kind of bringing it into that practical space, like Okay,
Speaker 6: I'm going to go to sleep now and I'm gonna
Speaker 6: put that intention. I always ask questions of whatever deity
Speaker 6: I'm working with, and most times I will get an answer,
Speaker 6: whether it's in the form of just an answer or
Speaker 6: an animal or colors again.
Speaker 2: Those color associations, those different associations.
Speaker 6: You may have had a dream in the color that
Speaker 6: blue is popping up a lot, and so you go
Speaker 6: to do the spell work and you're like, blue, why again,
Speaker 6: You're channeling.
Speaker 2: That energy, so there. I mean, there's so much you
Speaker 2: can do with dreams and then creating a dream practice
Speaker 2: as soon as you wake up. My advice is write
Speaker 2: it down immediately.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 2: Breathe, do not peep, do not do any of those things.
Speaker 6: Do you either do voice totext it's super easy, or
Speaker 6: you jot it down, draw a picture if you don't
Speaker 6: have your glasses on, whatever you need to do, but
Speaker 6: get it down before you get up, because that's when it.
Speaker 5: All and it's disappearing as you're writing it down. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because it's so Yeah.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 6: And the more you do it, the more you know,
Speaker 6: I feel like you're just your brain's a little more conditioned.
Speaker 6: You get a little bit more time. But the minute
Speaker 6: you start moving around a lot, it's done. So you
Speaker 6: can even if you get three words out of that,
Speaker 6: they can be really profound and.
Speaker 2: They can be used to steps. They can be used
Speaker 2: to create an affirmation or the dream work, and then
Speaker 2: they usually have to relate to whatever you're you're doing
Speaker 2: at the time or whatever question.
Speaker 5: Right, depending on your attention for the purpose of the dream.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, absolutely try it out. And that's even before
Speaker 2: you even do any of the.
Speaker 6: Stuff, you know, try drewing dream work and seeing how
Speaker 6: that feels for you. A lot of people will hard
Speaker 6: before bed, and you can even ask the question of
Speaker 6: that car dream.
Speaker 2: You take the card over at your bedside table or
Speaker 2: under your pillow.
Speaker 6: I'm for own way too much, so I lose all
Speaker 6: my cards. They'd be everywhere, or my cat would take
Speaker 6: off with them. So usually you put on my bedside table,
Speaker 6: like under the lamp. But even doing that.
Speaker 2: Is a really great way to kind of focus some
Speaker 2: questions you have, but something you are going to get
Speaker 2: stuck or again, if you have something that's bothering you,
Speaker 2: then you want to work on but you're not really
Speaker 2: sure how to. That's a great way to get answers
Speaker 2: for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Nice, nice one thing I did want to get into
Speaker 3: maybe before we still wrapping it up because I think, Teresa,
Speaker 3: you only have like another twenty.
Speaker 4: Minutes left too, right, Yeah, I gotta get.
Speaker 3: My sorry about that. How do you incorporate taro into
Speaker 3: your practice?
Speaker 6: You know, Tara just kind of was through everything I do.
Speaker 6: It's just how it is.
Speaker 2: But in the book, I do assign a Tarot card
Speaker 2: to each phase, and again that's just to focus your
Speaker 2: energy to kind of give you us a jumping point.
Speaker 2: If there's another card that seems to work for you,
Speaker 2: then you absolutely use that. Or if it's a card
Speaker 2: that works better for your intention, if you're working for
Speaker 2: you know, if you want to work on an intuition
Speaker 2: during your cycle, if you want to pull the Magician
Speaker 2: or the Harrifont, then do that, you know, I mean
Speaker 2: during whichever is. But it's definitely great again to.
Speaker 6: Help decide your action steps and a lot of the
Speaker 6: I have a ton of tarost s breads in there
Speaker 6: with question to kind of correct you and guide you. Again,
Speaker 6: it's keeping you focused.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm here with the you know, I'm like
Speaker 2: the mom and moan to keep you focused, like, hey,
Speaker 2: you need to do this, you need to let's do this.
Speaker 6: This terror spread just to focus that energy. Are you
Speaker 6: staying focused?
Speaker 2: Is this really still what you want? Because it can change?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 6: Well, shit, everything just changed, and I don't want that
Speaker 6: it is my intention anymore.
Speaker 2: And I do just keep going because that means it's working.
Speaker 2: That means shit's doing what it needs to do. Don't stop,
Speaker 2: keep going. But you can use the terot spreads in
Speaker 2: the book to be like, Okay, I'm going to now
Speaker 2: refocus what I want to do. Let's pull some cards
Speaker 2: on it, because you don't want to get too much
Speaker 2: in your head because then again you're going to get
Speaker 2: overwhelmed and you're not going to do it.
Speaker 6: And I just want you be able to keep keeping on.
Speaker 6: So by using Taro, it's that again, that magical focus.
Speaker 6: And then if you pull a card and there's some
Speaker 6: sort of a symbology in the card that's poking out
Speaker 6: for you again, why is that sticking out for you?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 6: Why am I looking at that? Why is that plan
Speaker 6: Chet and the emperess really poking?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: Why am I? Folks hyper focused on this right now?
Speaker 6: So then this can bring you into our right Well,
Speaker 6: let me let me research that a little bit.
Speaker 2: Let me see why that's there? You know, why why
Speaker 2: is it there?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 6: That Actually if I use that, I can create a
Speaker 6: new action step. So it all like all roads leads
Speaker 6: that and it's all about you know, focusing that energy
Speaker 6: and where it needs to go.
Speaker 2: And then as you're doing it, you're also learning more
Speaker 2: about Taro and if you're going through you know, the
Speaker 2: phases and for some reason, that cycle is all about
Speaker 2: the symbology. You're going to learn a shit ton about
Speaker 2: Taro's symbology.
Speaker 6: And that's always the great thing because we're never stop learning,
Speaker 6: and that's the thing that's never going to stop learning.
Speaker 6: We think we know a lot about it, but he
Speaker 6: mentioned something and you're like, oh, danmn, I'm going to
Speaker 6: go check this out.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to go read about that. And that's
Speaker 2: the best part about it. And that's why I put
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of recommended reading in the back.
Speaker 6: Because I want you to go on all the side
Speaker 6: quests and I want you to get all the knowledge
Speaker 6: that you can get to be the best you can be,
Speaker 6: and to understand yourself. Because you understand yourself, you're going
Speaker 6: to understand that there's a lot better too. And once
Speaker 6: we can really understand others more, I think that just
Speaker 6: makes makes everything easier. Sometimes not easier, but at least you.
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, very well said, thank you. Did any of
Speaker 3: yous have any questions? Before I ask one more? To
Speaker 3: wrap it up? Anyway's good? Jen, What is the one
Speaker 3: thing you hope people take from this book?
Speaker 2: I that you can do it?
Speaker 6: And that again my my phrase, and you'll hearm you say,
Speaker 6: is forever is done is better than perfect.
Speaker 4: Just do it.
Speaker 6: Even if you get my book and you flip to
Speaker 6: one thing and that's a taro spread, just do it.
Speaker 6: I think that everybody needs to realize too, that that
Speaker 6: they're all mad.
Speaker 2: You're all everyone's magical.
Speaker 6: Whether you practice theatay or not, whether you do tower
Speaker 6: or not, you do it within you.
Speaker 2: So you can utilize these.
Speaker 6: Tools to make yourself, your your your magical self stronger.
Speaker 2: And I think that it's worth a shot. Why not
Speaker 2: at this point in everything, why not harness your magic.
Speaker 2: It's worth It's definitely worth it. Like, try it out.
Speaker 6: A lot of people talk to the like, you know,
Speaker 6: if it's worth trying or doing, Just do it.
Speaker 2: Just just give yourself that space to do it, and
Speaker 2: and giving yourself that grace and the time to do it,
Speaker 2: like give your take some time for yourself to teach
Speaker 2: yourself about yourself.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: It makes total sense, right? Or you know, life sucks
Speaker 4: and if you want something different, I'll throw everything at
Speaker 4: the wall in order to do it. I'll play anything.
Speaker 4: It's like punctuay, sign me up, crystals, yell get it, Okay,
Speaker 4: wait this long, do this. I'll do everything.
Speaker 3: Why not?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, exactly, look jug the goat nutes.
Speaker 2: You know, you never know it's going to happen.
Speaker 6: And you know what if if in the end you're like,
Speaker 6: none of the ship's for me, I don't want to
Speaker 6: do it. But in two weeks you meet somebody and
Speaker 6: they're like, I'm really struggling.
Speaker 2: I need some focus, I need some direction. You know
Speaker 2: what to do? You say, Hey, I read this book,
Speaker 2: I did this thing. It didn't work for me. Why
Speaker 2: don't you try it?
Speaker 6: And that person may open up and blossom and be
Speaker 6: the best person ever.
Speaker 2: And it didn't work for you, but you help somebody else.
Speaker 6: And if that's not a great thing, then I probably
Speaker 6: don't want to.
Speaker 2: Know you anybody. Then I probably don't want to know
Speaker 2: you anyway.
Speaker 1: So thank you so much. That was great. That was awesome, Jen,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. Teresa.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for suggesting her amazing guests that
Speaker 3: really had a blessed Jed. Hopefully maybe get you out
Speaker 3: in the future and sing with you. Teresa, real quick
Speaker 3: before we wrap it up, I'll let everybody kind of
Speaker 3: replug their shows and wherever they want to advertise. Teresa,
Speaker 3: please let everybody know what they can find you in
Speaker 3: all your amazing work or anything you like to promote.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you can find me, excuse me at the tarot
Speaker 4: Lady dot com. That is my online hub for everything.
Speaker 4: It'll all worlds lead there. I have a new book
Speaker 4: coming out on May fourth. It's called The Book of
Speaker 4: Astrological Returns and it covers every life cycle from the
Speaker 4: Sun to Pluto and Chiron in the notes as well,
Speaker 4: So definitely check that out. And you know, if you
Speaker 4: pre order the book, I also have a free class
Speaker 4: for folks on how to read any return chart. I'll
Speaker 4: go to my website, hit the taro Lady, hit books,
Speaker 4: hit the Astrological the Book of Astrologic Walkers. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: Marcello is you're a lover and then scroll down and
Speaker 4: you'll see where they enter the information for that free class.
Speaker 3: Awesome, thank you so much. That is really cool with
Speaker 3: that class. That's great stuff and missed up. Robbie Marks.
Speaker 3: Please let everybody know where they can find you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, Robbie Marx. You can check out my
Speaker 5: link tree which is link tree r M A r
Speaker 5: X and that'll pull up my social media, my Patreon,
Speaker 5: my podcast, my et sec. You can check out my
Speaker 5: art as well as my website. And yeah, thanks for
Speaker 5: having me on. This was a fun one.
Speaker 3: No, thank you Robbie and Jen. Please let everybody know
Speaker 3: what's up with you. Where they can get that book
Speaker 3: and everything.
Speaker 6: You can get it wherever Booster sold, Jen Sankey, startus Finder.
Speaker 2: Taro and there says I guess and I am so
Speaker 2: honored for that. And I'll look.
Speaker 6: Teresa's a book tour as well, and I went to
Speaker 6: her last one and it was wonderful when I got
Speaker 6: to Huger in person, and that's what's the best effort.
Speaker 6: And yeah, so start as Wandering Taro everywhere can find
Speaker 6: my debt wherever.
Speaker 2: A lots of new stuff coming out, so definitely.
Speaker 6: I play a lot on Instagram, so start as Wandering
Speaker 6: Taro and Instagram check me out.
Speaker 3: Thank hello, Thank you again so much for coming on.
Speaker 3: I really had a great chat. This was a bless
Speaker 3: and like I said, hopefully we'll get you on again
Speaker 3: in the future for something else. Thank you everybody in
Speaker 3: the chat. That was awesome stuff. Leve all the comments
Speaker 3: and everything said in there. That's why I go live
Speaker 3: and until the next one, everybody be will later