WEBVTT 1 00:00:06.960 --> 00:00:09.960 Bhie Billy Cunningham, the Great America. Welcome this Thursday afternoon 2 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:12.880 in the tries date the events and involving the funeral 3 00:00:12.919 --> 00:00:14.480 of Deputy Sheriff Larry Henderson. 4 00:00:14.519 --> 00:00:15.119 Will be on their way. 5 00:00:15.160 --> 00:00:16.519 Later on We're going to have a guest on to 6 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.280 talk about the particulars. But until then, joining you and 7 00:00:19.320 --> 00:00:21.640 I now is the Kent County Prosecutor Rob Sanders. And 8 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:24.359 Rob Sanders, welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Shaw. I 9 00:00:24.399 --> 00:00:25.920 want to get you on to talk about the Boone 10 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.440 County case and the police shooting. But before we get 11 00:00:28.480 --> 00:00:31.679 to that point, you've been at this for about twenty 12 00:00:31.800 --> 00:00:36.159 or thirty years, Prosecutor. I think Connie Pilich is new 13 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:40.640 and what we anticipate she'll do what's right down the 14 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.159 road in this case relative to Rodney Hinton, who is 15 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:46.479 the father who purposely killed a police officer. Is there 16 00:00:46.520 --> 00:00:50.079 something in Kent County City of Covington. I talked to 17 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:52.600 cops and Borrow Ohio. I spoke to one in Blue 18 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:55.280 Ash who says their heads are on a swivel right now. 19 00:00:55.359 --> 00:00:58.520 Social media is a buzz with the issue of the 20 00:00:58.560 --> 00:01:01.799 funeral activity starting at four four o'clock today, whether there'll 21 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.560 be some activist I call them murderers who may want 22 00:01:04.599 --> 00:01:07.760 to kill more cops by using their car as battering rams. 23 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:10.680 The cops are in turmoil. How would you describe the 24 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:13.760 mental emotional state of police in the city of Covington. 25 00:01:14.879 --> 00:01:16.920 Well, Willie, I think, first of all, thanks for having 26 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:18.480 me back on. It's been a few weeks, but it's 27 00:01:18.519 --> 00:01:20.879 always it's always good to be back on your show. 28 00:01:20.959 --> 00:01:25.280 But you know what a I guess tense time for 29 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.159 lack of a better term, and I think that tension 30 00:01:27.239 --> 00:01:29.159 is felt all the way across on the south side 31 00:01:29.159 --> 00:01:32.040 of the river. I think that having heads on a 32 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:34.120 swivel is probably a good thing for police right now, 33 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:38.120 because even though we support our police in northern Kentucky 34 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.159 and we back the blue one hundred and ten percent 35 00:01:40.239 --> 00:01:43.200 all the time and every way we can, I think 36 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.000 they still know that there is a different climate going 37 00:01:47.040 --> 00:01:48.719 on on the north side of the river, and we 38 00:01:48.840 --> 00:01:51.159 never know when the problems on the north side are 39 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.159 going to bleed across the river on to the south side, 40 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:55.280 and certainly we don't want any of those problems. We 41 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:58.400 don't want anybody attacking our police like we saw in Hamilton. County, 42 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:01.159 but that's certainly a possibility. So heads on a swivel 43 00:02:01.439 --> 00:02:03.640 is probably a good thing. I think the officers on 44 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.599 the south side of the river, it just makes them 45 00:02:06.599 --> 00:02:10.240 appreciate that much more how much better it is to 46 00:02:10.360 --> 00:02:12.919 work in a law enforcement friendly community like we have 47 00:02:13.080 --> 00:02:15.479 and throughout north of Kentucky, not just Kenton County, but 48 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:18.080 Boone Campbell County as well, and the furthest south you 49 00:02:18.120 --> 00:02:21.240 get in northern Kentucky. You know, it doesn't change. It 50 00:02:21.280 --> 00:02:26.960 stays very much pro police throughout the commonwealth, really especially 51 00:02:27.039 --> 00:02:30.719 the north end of the Commonwealth. But that said, Willy, 52 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.039 you know, I think that all officers have an eye 53 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:35.080 across the river and what's going on. I think that 54 00:02:35.120 --> 00:02:38.919 they feel the tension, and certainly they sympathize with the 55 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:42.479 officers in Hamilton County and southern Ohio, and they know 56 00:02:42.520 --> 00:02:46.479 what they're going through and they share in that anxiety 57 00:02:46.520 --> 00:02:48.680 that those officers have to be feeling. Right now, you know, 58 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:53.080 this Hamilton County Sheriff's deputy was doing nothing but directing 59 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:57.039 traffic for graduation, something that should have been a happy occasion. 60 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.719 Wasn't even his agency that was involved in the police 61 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:04.000 shooting a day earlier, and yet he paid the price 62 00:03:04.439 --> 00:03:07.680 when this murderer just flat out attacked him and killed 63 00:03:07.719 --> 00:03:11.240 him in cold blood. And we are at a crossroads, 64 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:13.280 I think for the new prosecutor's office. As you mentioned, 65 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:15.800 I've been doing this for almost two decades now. Next 66 00:03:15.879 --> 00:03:18.120 year will be my twentieth year. I think the one 67 00:03:18.159 --> 00:03:20.280 thing that I can say about law enforcement in Northern 68 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:22.680 Kentucky is they know me well and they know what 69 00:03:22.719 --> 00:03:25.960 my decisions would be. If this case had happened, this 70 00:03:26.039 --> 00:03:28.840 attack on this police officer had happened in Kenton County, 71 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:32.159 nobody would be asking questions about what the charges would 72 00:03:32.159 --> 00:03:35.120 be or whether or not the death penalty would be pursued. 73 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:37.520 That I have a track record of going to trial 74 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:41.520 and protecting our police officers in the dangerous work that 75 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.120 they do. Anytime someone is foolish enough to attack them, 76 00:03:45.199 --> 00:03:47.319 our police officers in this community know that we will 77 00:03:47.360 --> 00:03:49.360 be coming down hard on any of those offenders. And 78 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:51.319 that certainly would be the case, and I'm hopeful it'll 79 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.599 be the same in Hamilton County. But this is a 80 00:03:53.680 --> 00:03:56.360 defining moment, I think for the new Hamilton County prosecutor. 81 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:58.719 All eyes are upon her office. 82 00:03:59.240 --> 00:04:02.240 Let's break down what the so called activists are saying, 83 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:04.639 and that is that there was an execution of the 84 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:08.960 eighteen year old Ryan Hinton by Cincinnati police. The names 85 00:04:09.240 --> 00:04:12.520 not in the media. The officer involved as a veteran, 86 00:04:12.599 --> 00:04:15.159 he's been at it for a long time. The officer 87 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:19.480 who actually shot Ryan Hinton because of his behavior, is 88 00:04:20.480 --> 00:04:25.519 well respected at the site of the Edgewood, Kentucky. According 89 00:04:25.519 --> 00:04:30.439 to media accounts, the car was hoisted from Edgewood, Kentucky, 90 00:04:30.920 --> 00:04:33.879 went across state lines and they were sitting in that 91 00:04:33.959 --> 00:04:37.519 parking lot and the police roll up because there was 92 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:40.959 a tracker on the Kia. And at that point these 93 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:44.680 four individuals knew exactly what was going to happen next. 94 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.480 They were going to be arrested unless they unless they ran. 95 00:04:47.720 --> 00:04:50.120 It's a wooded area East Price Hill, not much wooded 96 00:04:50.120 --> 00:04:51.879 area and East Price Ill, but there was one here 97 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.839 with the condo projects. Three of the individuals got out 98 00:04:54.879 --> 00:04:57.480 of the car and ran toward the woods, leaving the 99 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.000 dumpsters alone, which might be an area that could be 100 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:02.759 a firing position for someone with a weapon. There was 101 00:05:02.839 --> 00:05:04.480 one of the four by the way. There was two 102 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.120 guns in the car. The one was left behind, but 103 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.920 Ryan Hinton picked up a nine millimeter with an extended meg. 104 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:13.800 He got out of the car, reached back in and 105 00:05:13.839 --> 00:05:17.160 grabbed the gun. That's number one. The cops are there, 106 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.360 the sirens are on, the lights are on. Number two. 107 00:05:19.360 --> 00:05:22.800 He took about four steps and fell. Some said he 108 00:05:23.319 --> 00:05:25.360 the extended mag hit his hip and he lost his 109 00:05:25.439 --> 00:05:28.439 balance or whatever, and he fell. And then the gun 110 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.040 was separate and apart from his body. And that's when 111 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:34.240 officers started yelling gun, gun gun. Not the one who 112 00:05:34.240 --> 00:05:36.040 did the shooting, by the way, but he heard. I'm 113 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:38.439 sure he heard gun gun. They were yelling gun, gun gun. 114 00:05:38.759 --> 00:05:42.279 And then Ryan hitting secondly picked up that nine millimeter. 115 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.879 Instead of running away with his with his brothers in crime, 116 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:49.720 he decided to pick it up and run between two dumpsters. 117 00:05:49.720 --> 00:05:51.839 He's the only one that did that. I would say, 118 00:05:51.839 --> 00:05:54.720 to get a firing position. And is he exited the 119 00:05:54.800 --> 00:06:00.160 dumpster within two seconds of saying gun, gun gun. The 120 00:06:00.199 --> 00:06:03.800 officers who did the shooting looked into his hands quickly 121 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:07.560 and they drew their service weapons because of gun, gun gun. 122 00:06:07.600 --> 00:06:10.279 It was going to be an ugly situation. And Ryan 123 00:06:10.399 --> 00:06:14.319 Hinton kind of ran parallel or a little bit left 124 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:16.160 toward the office, so then took a step to the 125 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.959 right kind of break down from a law enforcement angle, 126 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:20.759 why that would be a justified shooting. 127 00:06:21.560 --> 00:06:23.279 Well, first of all, will I mean you touched on 128 00:06:23.319 --> 00:06:25.680 a lot of very important topics, right there are very 129 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.759 important facts when it comes to reviewing the decision that 130 00:06:28.800 --> 00:06:30.759 this police officer made to use dead leaf force. But 131 00:06:30.759 --> 00:06:32.920 I want to start with one thing that hardly no 132 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:36.600 one is talking about right now, and that's the rampant 133 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:40.360 car thefts that are going on right now. The thieving 134 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:44.319 of cars is at a plague status right now. It's 135 00:06:44.759 --> 00:06:48.279 every single day, not just in northern Kentucky, but all 136 00:06:48.360 --> 00:06:50.519 Greater Cincinnati because a lot of the car thefts that 137 00:06:50.560 --> 00:06:52.839 we are seeing are stolen cars that are coming across 138 00:06:52.839 --> 00:06:56.079 the river to northern Kentucky and they're being dumped over here, 139 00:06:56.199 --> 00:06:58.639 or they're running from the police over here, and then 140 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.879 there's as soon as they ditch the car on this 141 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:02.839 side of the river, they steal somebody's car on this 142 00:07:02.879 --> 00:07:04.879 side of the river and ride it back into Ohio. 143 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:09.040 And then you know, situations just like this are routine now. 144 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.480 Part of the problem I think stems from the fact 145 00:07:11.680 --> 00:07:15.480 that the community, I guess I would blame it largely 146 00:07:15.519 --> 00:07:18.360 on the media, but certainly the community is starting to 147 00:07:18.800 --> 00:07:22.680 expect police to not chase car thieves. And I can't 148 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:24.920 tell you how many times I see police chases that 149 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:27.560 have been terminated or re police reports about chases that 150 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:32.079 were terminated, because in large part, every time anything goes 151 00:07:32.120 --> 00:07:34.319 wrong with the police chase, whether it's a crash or 152 00:07:34.319 --> 00:07:37.680 god forbid, somebody gets hurt, the media is instead of 153 00:07:37.680 --> 00:07:40.240 saying why was this person running or why did this 154 00:07:40.279 --> 00:07:43.560 person steal a car, they're asking why were the police 155 00:07:43.680 --> 00:07:48.319 chasing this car thief and if As a result, police 156 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:51.399 obviously they don't like the criticism, so they've started adopting 157 00:07:51.439 --> 00:07:55.199 policies of not getting in vehicle pursuits. And as a result, 158 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:58.199 the criminals know that they see the police terminate the 159 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.360 police chase when they're in a stolen vehicle, they see 160 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:02.480 them shut off the emergency lights, they see them do 161 00:08:02.519 --> 00:08:04.759 a U turn as they get on the bridge, and 162 00:08:04.759 --> 00:08:06.399 they know they're not going to chase them into Ohio, 163 00:08:06.519 --> 00:08:08.439 or they know they're not going to chase them into Kentucky. 164 00:08:09.000 --> 00:08:12.319 So not only do they steal more vehicles, but they 165 00:08:12.360 --> 00:08:15.439 tell all their felling car stealing friends Hey, the police 166 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.000 aren't going to chase this anymore. If you're in a 167 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:20.720 stolen vehicle, just don't stop, and I'll keep running, you know, 168 00:08:20.800 --> 00:08:22.360 keep running, and all you got to do is get 169 00:08:22.399 --> 00:08:24.399 to the river and you're scott free. 170 00:08:24.680 --> 00:08:26.600 And that's that is part of the. 171 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:30.759 Plague that we have seen all across probably the country, 172 00:08:30.759 --> 00:08:34.360 but certainly the greater Cincinnati area. This is the problem 173 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:36.879 that is continuing to grow, and it's only getting worse, 174 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:40.080 and it's going to result in more situations just like 175 00:08:40.159 --> 00:08:43.240 this one that ended in the death of this eighteen 176 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:46.000 year old. But first thing you got to ask after 177 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:49.039 the stolen car issue, the first thing you got to ask, 178 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:51.120 what are they doing in a stolen car? Then you 179 00:08:51.200 --> 00:08:53.200 got to ask why are their guns in the car? 180 00:08:53.559 --> 00:08:56.080 Then you got to ask what's the reason If you 181 00:08:56.120 --> 00:08:58.039 know that the police are rolling up and you're sitting 182 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:00.759 in a stolen car, run because you don't don't get arrested. 183 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:03.600 I don't advise that, but I certainly understand that thinking. 184 00:09:04.440 --> 00:09:06.639 But if you're not intending to shoot it out with 185 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:09.639 the police, leave the gun in the car, especially in 186 00:09:09.679 --> 00:09:11.759 this case, is you've said he apparently went back for 187 00:09:11.799 --> 00:09:14.039 the gun. I've not seen that yet, But if he 188 00:09:14.120 --> 00:09:16.240 in fact went back to the car for the gun, 189 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:18.879 that's a big indication in my mind that he intends 190 00:09:18.960 --> 00:09:21.960 to use the gun. The extended magazine that was in 191 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.720 the gun certainly makes you wonder why does he need 192 00:09:24.759 --> 00:09:27.480 an extended magazine. He's using a magazine that's too long 193 00:09:27.519 --> 00:09:29.200 for the frame of the gun, so it sticks out 194 00:09:29.200 --> 00:09:31.960 the bottom. The only reason to have a magazine like 195 00:09:31.960 --> 00:09:34.799 that is if you intend to fire more shots than 196 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:39.159 the gun is designed to hold. Then he once he 197 00:09:39.159 --> 00:09:41.120 gets out of the car, if he falls and drops 198 00:09:41.159 --> 00:09:44.159 the gun and picks it up again again, you already 199 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:46.039 know the police are there. You already know that they 200 00:09:46.080 --> 00:09:49.279 are coming after you. The only reason to pick up 201 00:09:49.279 --> 00:09:51.000 that gun is if you intend to shoot it out 202 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:53.159 with police. Now, the part of the body camera that 203 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.879 I have seen, and I admittedly have not seen all 204 00:09:55.879 --> 00:09:57.919 the body cams from start to finish. I've only seen 205 00:09:57.960 --> 00:10:01.879 what's been put in the media because I don't it's 206 00:10:01.919 --> 00:10:04.000 not my case. I don't have access to it. But 207 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:08.399 we have to remember that decisions on all humans are 208 00:10:08.480 --> 00:10:12.080 made in fractions of a second, and usually it's an 209 00:10:12.120 --> 00:10:15.559 accepted figure in law enforcement circles that It takes about 210 00:10:15.799 --> 00:10:18.240 a quarter of a second for a gun to go 211 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:21.480 from down to point it at someone. It takes about 212 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.879 the same amount of time for a police officer to decide, 213 00:10:25.120 --> 00:10:27.840 my life is in danger. I need to pull the trigger. 214 00:10:28.679 --> 00:10:31.279 She have to think that when this kid is running 215 00:10:31.360 --> 00:10:34.600 in between these dumpsters and the police officers running at 216 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.799 an angle to intercept him. Even though with the very 217 00:10:37.879 --> 00:10:41.799 last fraction of a second he changed directions to where 218 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:44.279 he was headed at least at an angle that would 219 00:10:44.320 --> 00:10:46.480 have been away from the officer, not towards the officer, 220 00:10:46.799 --> 00:10:50.399 he is still just before that decision closed the distance 221 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:54.399 between himself and the police officer. When you're closing the distance, 222 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:57.279 in other words, coming towards the officer, the officer has 223 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:03.039 that much less time to react, and reaction time is 224 00:11:03.279 --> 00:11:04.840 hard enough to deal with that as it is, but 225 00:11:04.879 --> 00:11:07.720 as that time gets smaller and smaller, police have less 226 00:11:07.720 --> 00:11:10.799 and less time to decide whether or not they feel 227 00:11:10.799 --> 00:11:14.519 the need to protect their own life. So, in all likelihood, 228 00:11:14.559 --> 00:11:16.679 the decision of the officer to pull the trigger and 229 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:21.039 the decision the teenager to change angles of flight happened 230 00:11:21.080 --> 00:11:24.919 at about the same time. But those decisions take place 231 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.639 in a fraction of a second, and unfortunately we see 232 00:11:27.639 --> 00:11:29.720 a tragic outcome when the young man lost his life. 233 00:11:29.720 --> 00:11:31.679 But I'm not ready to say that it was the 234 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:34.039 wrong decision on the police officer by any stretch of 235 00:11:34.039 --> 00:11:37.919 the imagination. Because he still had a subject fleeing from 236 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:42.320 a stolen car with a loaded firearm closing the distance 237 00:11:42.360 --> 00:11:44.960 between him and the officer. That officer does not have 238 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.519 to wait until he is shot. He doesn't even have 239 00:11:47.559 --> 00:11:49.720 to wait till the gun is pointed at him in 240 00:11:49.799 --> 00:11:52.360 order for that to be a valid threat to that 241 00:11:52.440 --> 00:11:54.639 officer's life, because, like I said, it only takes a 242 00:11:54.720 --> 00:11:57.519 quarter of a second for that gun to go from 243 00:11:58.000 --> 00:12:00.639 pointed down or pointed some other direct then that the 244 00:12:00.679 --> 00:12:04.000 officer to point it at the officer, and it's the 245 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:06.559 triggers being fired when it comes at the officer and 246 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:10.639 he hasn't fired first, then he doesn't get time to react. 247 00:12:10.679 --> 00:12:13.519 And if that bullet hits him in the head or 248 00:12:13.519 --> 00:12:16.759 in the neck, or some other important artery in his 249 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:19.840 body that's not covered by his bulletproof vest, he doesn't 250 00:12:19.879 --> 00:12:22.919 get to go home to his wife and kids. So 251 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.559 the notion of do not fire until fired upon is 252 00:12:26.559 --> 00:12:28.440 something that you see in a top gun movie, but 253 00:12:28.480 --> 00:12:31.279 it's not real life for police officers who are out 254 00:12:31.279 --> 00:12:33.879 there risking their lives for a community on a daily basis. 255 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.519 Next week, here's the issue that's going to arise, and 256 00:12:36.559 --> 00:12:40.559 that is that the statement he made, the police officer 257 00:12:40.600 --> 00:12:44.600 from Cincinnati made to the police and many times ken 258 00:12:44.679 --> 00:12:47.240 Kober and others tell them, le's way three to four days, 259 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.200 but the officers decided within a day or two to 260 00:12:50.240 --> 00:12:53.399 make a statement. And according to ken Kober, the statement 261 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:56.320 seemed to be he was about ten feet away and 262 00:12:56.360 --> 00:12:59.559 that the gun was pointed at the cop. It appears 263 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.200 that appears, and I use the word appears, put it 264 00:13:03.200 --> 00:13:06.519 in capital letters, that the gun may not have been 265 00:13:06.519 --> 00:13:10.399 pointed at the cop. But is that and therefore he 266 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:13.679 was running away with the gun? Now is that important? 267 00:13:13.799 --> 00:13:17.399 If the officer in the heat of the moment, within 268 00:13:17.440 --> 00:13:20.279 a quarter of a second, a cop doesn't have to 269 00:13:20.320 --> 00:13:22.159 get shot before you can return fire. 270 00:13:22.639 --> 00:13:23.720 And the so called. 271 00:13:23.480 --> 00:13:27.360 Activists may seize upon that point of a misstatement by 272 00:13:27.360 --> 00:13:31.279 a police officer. Is that relevant to you as a prosecutor. 273 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:34.399 I'm sure it's relevant. Any of its words are important 274 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:36.559 in this business. Will he so it's relevant it's something 275 00:13:36.559 --> 00:13:41.320 to consider it, sure, but the officer's relaying his recollection 276 00:13:41.399 --> 00:13:43.799 of what he saw, and if that gun barrel crossed 277 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.399 his path, in other words, if that gun barrel was 278 00:13:46.440 --> 00:13:50.200 pointed at him at any point in time in again, 279 00:13:50.759 --> 00:13:53.679 what a second, maybe two seconds between when that young 280 00:13:53.720 --> 00:13:56.759 man came into view and when the officer decided to 281 00:13:56.799 --> 00:14:00.480 fire his weapon. Was the gun barrel pointed to at 282 00:14:00.519 --> 00:14:03.000 him at the time that he actually pulled the trigger, 283 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.879 or that the teenager actually got shot. Maybe not, or 284 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.679 it doesn't appear so from it, But again, we're talking 285 00:14:09.679 --> 00:14:12.159 about changes that happen in a fraction of a second. 286 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:17.000 We've seen all different kinds of cases, both locally and nationally, 287 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:20.679 where someone points a gun at a police officer and 288 00:14:20.720 --> 00:14:23.399 then turns to run away, but the officer's already made 289 00:14:23.440 --> 00:14:25.320 the decision to pull the trigger, and so the bullet 290 00:14:25.399 --> 00:14:27.600 ends up hitting the person in their side or hitting 291 00:14:27.600 --> 00:14:29.879 the person in their back. It doesn't mean it's a 292 00:14:29.919 --> 00:14:33.639 bad shoot. What matters is not where the bullet hit. 293 00:14:33.840 --> 00:14:37.519 What matters is was the person posing a threat to 294 00:14:37.559 --> 00:14:40.759 the officer's life, And anybody coming out a police officer 295 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:44.120 with a gun is a threat, regardless of where that 296 00:14:44.159 --> 00:14:46.759 gun is pointed that I don't know. I think that's 297 00:14:46.799 --> 00:14:49.919 something that's been driven home maybe by questions that people 298 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:52.159 in the media ask, like where was the gun pointed? 299 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:55.919 It doesn't matter where's the gun pointed in point two 300 00:14:56.039 --> 00:14:59.240 five of a second, you know, a quarter of a second. 301 00:15:00.320 --> 00:15:02.480 By the way, will if anybody out there wants to 302 00:15:02.480 --> 00:15:06.480 figure out how long a quarter of a second is, 303 00:15:06.480 --> 00:15:08.960 blink your eyes, because it takes you about a quarter 304 00:15:08.960 --> 00:15:10.960 of a second to blink your eyes. That's about how 305 00:15:11.000 --> 00:15:14.720 much time officers have to react when someone goes to 306 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:17.519 point a gun at them. So I certainly understand. You know, 307 00:15:17.559 --> 00:15:20.080 we pay these officers to go into dangerous situations so 308 00:15:20.159 --> 00:15:22.600 the average citizens like you and me don't have to. 309 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:25.639 But if I was one of those officers in those 310 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:28.639 dangerous situations right that we've asked them to be in, 311 00:15:29.480 --> 00:15:31.720 I'm not going to wait until I am actually shot 312 00:15:32.120 --> 00:15:33.559 before I'd depend my life. 313 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.080 And thank god we have body cams because without that, 314 00:15:36.279 --> 00:15:38.759 I can imagine with the activists what social media would 315 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:41.480 be doing with this if we didn't have a body cam. 316 00:15:41.559 --> 00:15:44.000 And when these first came out about seven eight years ago, 317 00:15:44.360 --> 00:15:46.960 law enforcement didn't like it. It's turned out to be 318 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:50.200 the best thing for law enforcement imaginable. Lastly, you have 319 00:15:50.200 --> 00:15:53.519 about a minute remaining. Edgewood, Kentucky, as you may know, 320 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.759 is in Kenton County. You had three individuals, depending upon 321 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.840 what the fact patter is, stealing cars to Kenton County 322 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:05.120 getting into Ohio County. Are you pursuing any investigation for 323 00:16:06.080 --> 00:16:10.519 Austin and Bullocks and gregsby the three eighteen and nineteen 324 00:16:10.559 --> 00:16:13.919 year olds that were with Hinton stealing the car. If 325 00:16:13.919 --> 00:16:15.720 the facts turn out to be that case, is that 326 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:17.840 something you're interested in pursuing or not. 327 00:16:18.639 --> 00:16:21.200 It's certainly something if there's proof out there that it 328 00:16:21.240 --> 00:16:23.879 came out out of Edgewood. Really that's news to me. 329 00:16:23.960 --> 00:16:26.000 By the way, nobody's brought that case to me. Cincinnati 330 00:16:26.000 --> 00:16:28.600 Police have not presented reports to me or anything like that. 331 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.600 But we pursue cases weekly where somebody steals a car 332 00:16:33.679 --> 00:16:36.279 in Kenton County and drives it over to Ohio and 333 00:16:36.320 --> 00:16:39.720 gets caught. We don't just leave it up to Ohio 334 00:16:39.879 --> 00:16:43.360 to do something to bring justice for the victim of 335 00:16:43.399 --> 00:16:46.519 that car theft in Kenton County. We filed charges over here. 336 00:16:46.559 --> 00:16:48.879 I've already issued one arrest warrant earlier this week for 337 00:16:49.000 --> 00:16:52.519 somebody doing the exact same thing. But that's definitely something 338 00:16:52.559 --> 00:16:55.960 that we would pursue if we have evidence to establish 339 00:16:55.960 --> 00:17:00.679 probable cause that there was a felony theft in Kenton County. Obviously, 340 00:17:00.720 --> 00:17:03.720 there's certain elements of that offense that would have to 341 00:17:03.720 --> 00:17:05.119 be met. We'd have to be able to prove they 342 00:17:05.119 --> 00:17:07.279 actually stole the car here, not that they just found 343 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.039 it over in Ohio somewhere. We'd have to prove that 344 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.440 the car was over one thousand dollars. But if we 345 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:14.880 can establish those things, you know, we still prosecute criminals 346 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.759 in Kenton County, Willie. I know that's a novel concept 347 00:17:18.480 --> 00:17:21.319 compared to some jurisdictions in this country, but I assure 348 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:25.240 you in Kenton County we still pursue all felony offenses 349 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:27.480 whenever we have enough evidence to go forward. 350 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:30.519 Rob Sanders, thank you for your expertise up against the clock. 351 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:32.599 We'll do it again next week as things develop, but 352 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:37.079 I have positive information that this is something that will 353 00:17:37.079 --> 00:17:40.359 be pursued seriously by the new Hamley County Prosecutor. Let's 354 00:17:40.359 --> 00:17:43.160 see what happens, and Rob Sanders, once again, thank you 355 00:17:43.200 --> 00:17:45.079 for coming on the bill. Cunningham Show, and we'll do 356 00:17:45.079 --> 00:17:46.799 it again. Thanks Ron Willy. 357 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:48.880 I look forward to it, and hopefully you can give 358 00:17:48.880 --> 00:17:50.480 me an update on a Hunter Green by the next 359 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:52.359 time we talk, because I was a little concerned about 360 00:17:52.400 --> 00:17:53.000 that last night. 361 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.039 Me too, But hopefully it's a week or two and 362 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:00.400 that's it because we need him like a duck needs water. Certainly, 363 00:18:00.400 --> 00:18:03.200 hope Hunter Green is fine. But Rob Sanders, thank you 364 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:03.720 very much. 365 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:04.559 Sounds good. 366 00:18:04.599 --> 00:18:05.440 Will you have a great deal. 367 00:18:05.519 --> 00:18:07.599 Billy Cunningham, let's continue with more. It's good to get 368 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.880 the expertise of Rob Sanders involved in this, and that 369 00:18:11.000 --> 00:18:12.720 may be an issue down the road. A little bit 370 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:14.960 about where was the barrel? Pointed, he had the gun, 371 00:18:15.000 --> 00:18:18.240 he had the intent to use it, and whatever happens 372 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:21.480 when you have a gun and with police involved, it's 373 00:18:21.519 --> 00:18:25.319 not a good situation for the future. Decedent Bill Cunningham, 374 00:18:25.359 --> 00:18:28.279 News Radio seven hundred Woo me and by the way, 375 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:31.119 looking while I left to my right, we have white smoke. 376 00:18:31.200 --> 00:18:34.359 We have a new pope and we're going to go 377 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.759 to ABC news coverage. Heair in a few minutes and 378 00:18:36.880 --> 00:18:39.359 may be anywhere from ten to twenty minutes thirty minutes 379 00:18:39.359 --> 00:18:42.079 from now, when the pope appears on the balcony, but 380 00:18:42.160 --> 00:18:44.759 nonetheless we have a new pope. We have white smoke. 381 00:18:45.240 --> 00:18:51.359 Bill Cunningham News Radio seven hundred Wow. Now, about twenty 382 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.680 minutes ago the white smoke came out, and we have 383 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:58.039 a new Pope. It's about six thirty seven pm, early 384 00:18:58.079 --> 00:19:03.440 evening in Rome the Vaticans. So if they passed his prolog, 385 00:19:03.559 --> 00:19:06.160 it takes about forty five minutes to an hour for 386 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:08.119 the new pope to go through what it has to 387 00:19:08.119 --> 00:19:10.960 go through the first two questions or this. It took 388 00:19:11.000 --> 00:19:16.000 eighty nine positive votes for this particular cardinal, whoever he is, 389 00:19:16.079 --> 00:19:19.519 we're not sure yet to be elected pope. And the 390 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:22.559 secretary of the conclave walks up to him and says, 391 00:19:22.799 --> 00:19:27.000 do you accept the papacy? And they say that in Latin, 392 00:19:27.519 --> 00:19:31.640 and the person designated it must say yes. And then 393 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:35.000 the next question is by what name will you be known? 394 00:19:35.880 --> 00:19:39.640 And at that point you change your name. Pope Francis 395 00:19:39.680 --> 00:19:44.559 the second Pope John Pauld maybe Pope John the twenty fourth. 396 00:19:44.599 --> 00:19:47.519 As you know, the most popular name for a pope 397 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.079 is John, and that would be it'd be Pope John 398 00:19:51.119 --> 00:19:53.000 the twenty fourth. The last one we had was Pope 399 00:19:53.079 --> 00:19:56.400 John the twenty third only reigned about four years during 400 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:00.640 the early nineteen sixties, and then the dry of the 401 00:20:00.680 --> 00:20:02.640