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Speaker 2: Podcast today on the episode this is Ranks Analysis. I'm
Speaker 2: Chris Welsh, that is Scott Bogman, and this is one
Speaker 2: of the bigger episodes we do. In any sport we
Speaker 2: do do it. There was a day we used to
Speaker 2: do basketball too, but baseball and football we do these
Speaker 2: across the board. It is something we have been doing
Speaker 2: for I think at minimum ten years plus, so I
Speaker 2: don't ever want to be the person that's like newbodyos
Speaker 2: did it just us? But I think this might be
Speaker 2: one of the few things that we're we tried to
Speaker 2: hold like live mock drafting and player debates a little
Speaker 2: bit close to the chest we did do twelve years ago.
Speaker 2: But that's a pretty open one ranks analysis that we've
Speaker 2: been doing for a long time, just despite the point,
Speaker 2: because it doesn't really actually matter, But the point is
Speaker 2: it's one of the most important episodes that we do.
Speaker 2: Bogman for years and years has put together these really
Speaker 2: intensive sheets where it's taking.
Speaker 1: I did it four chats, ept I did it before
Speaker 1: Claude I.
Speaker 2: Didn't even think about that. That probably could make it
Speaker 2: a little bit easier. But it is taking the top
Speaker 2: websites that you use, and over the years we've changed
Speaker 2: on some of the ones that we're using the top
Speaker 2: player that you were playing, and it is comparing them
Speaker 2: and then we're also comparing them against ECR. So what
Speaker 2: we're gonna do on this episode is we are going
Speaker 2: to be looking at Sleeper, Yahoo, and ESPN probably the
Speaker 2: easy top three platforms, really kicking out NFL dot Com
Speaker 2: as well because ESPN purchased them so I don't even
Speaker 2: know what's going on there, but they're.
Speaker 1: Just all moving because when I went to go make
Speaker 1: a league for ESPN to get their real you can't
Speaker 1: do a mock, by the way, on ESPN for half PPR.
Speaker 1: You have to make it yourself and then go look
Speaker 1: at their rankings, which are the exact same as PPR. So,
Speaker 1: like we've talked.
Speaker 2: About long long standing issue with ESPN of like they
Speaker 2: don't conform to the formats and stuff like that, I
Speaker 2: would say in the cheapest of cheap plugs, that is
Speaker 2: one of those things where something like the company I
Speaker 2: work at with Fantasy Pros drafting with the Draft Wizard
Speaker 2: that synks to the actual settings would be way more
Speaker 2: beneficial over any site. You could argue like Sleeper does
Speaker 2: a really good job or Yahoo, but like ESPN, if
Speaker 2: just nothing ever formatically changes, something like the Draft Assistant
Speaker 2: might really help you because it is actually more designed
Speaker 2: for that. Again, it's not a Fantasy Pros podcast, but
Speaker 2: just giving you a plug. But speaking of Fantasy Pros,
Speaker 2: we will be taking ECR and we will be looking
Speaker 2: at the expert Consensus ranks. It's hundreds of experts, you know,
Speaker 2: quote you can use air quotes if you're one of
Speaker 2: those people, oh expert, huh. But all the experts, the
Speaker 2: people that work in the industry and do this, that
Speaker 2: rank on Fantasy pros creates a consensus overall rank. We're
Speaker 2: going to compare the ECR to overall on these sites.
Speaker 2: Then we are going to individually look at each site
Speaker 2: and what the main purpose of all of this is
Speaker 2: to tell you any overall type of trends, but it's
Speaker 2: going to be the highs and lows on players. You
Speaker 2: might be a guy that plays on Sleeper and Yahoo. Well,
Speaker 2: guess what, you might not see the same player trends
Speaker 2: that are going on guys are going to go higher
Speaker 2: or lower in different places. So we're going to just
Speaker 2: kind of unveil some of those when you pull up
Speaker 2: the draft rooms. Bogwin puts a lot of work into this.
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Speaker 2: Bogman's got tons of ranks out there. They're not little,
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Speaker 1: It's I this weekend as well, so those will be
Speaker 1: updated for Monday.
Speaker 2: I would have mine up as well in the next
Speaker 2: day or two probably. I mean it's like there's two
Speaker 2: days until August or probably August first. On there you
Speaker 2: can get our ranks available. There, you can join up
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Speaker 2: whatever that is, plus any of the extra things we do,
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Speaker 2: if you want to see this sheet, you can see
Speaker 2: it in this League dot Com. And it is literally
Speaker 2: the sheet that we are going to be using the
Speaker 2: show sheet here because it's very color coded and it's
Speaker 2: pretty and it's nice, and that is the plan. Bogmin
Speaker 2: So I talked a lot there setting that up. But
Speaker 2: you put a lot of overall work into this stuff,
Speaker 2: and I think it's one of the few things because
Speaker 2: we have like little tent pole of things that we do.
Speaker 2: You know, like you write in the Black Book PSPs
Speaker 2: Black Book, and that's kind of like one of probably
Speaker 2: your first baselines if you really start digging into players
Speaker 2: and stuff. I'll do the same thing. Then you do
Speaker 2: mocks and you're doing your research along the way, and
Speaker 2: then like after you've kind of got all that in
Speaker 2: your brain. This is another tent pole event of learning
Speaker 2: about the websites and having a really true understanding because
Speaker 2: there are some instances. Always want to get your guys,
Speaker 2: if you want to understand these sites. Sometimes they're more
Speaker 2: wide receiver heavy or blah blah blah. Some are going
Speaker 2: to have like the sleeper is probably going to be
Speaker 2: one of those that's going to have like the trendier
Speaker 2: guys that are going to move way up. I think
Speaker 2: they're a lot more adaptive than the other places. But
Speaker 2: you put a lot of work into this, and this
Speaker 2: probably is like the final crown on the the ending
Speaker 2: of like you being really comfortable and knowing not just
Speaker 2: your players but also the sites.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean just knowing. You know, this is worth
Speaker 1: it as an exercise for me just to know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: on Yahoo, there's two players that are absolutely buried, right,
Speaker 1: or someone is way too expensive, Like a player that
Speaker 1: I like is absolutely way down here in the rankings.
Speaker 1: For instance, if you play on ESPN, right and you
Speaker 1: want a tight end, Tucker Craft, for whatever reason, his
Speaker 1: ECR is sixty five on Sleeper, he's sixty nine on Yahoo.
Speaker 1: He's seventy two on ESPN. For I don't know why
Speaker 1: he is one hundred and eleven. So he is absolutely buried.
Speaker 1: And you know, look, if you're very very pragmatic about
Speaker 1: your league you're going in, you're setting your pre draft
Speaker 1: rankings and all that stuff. I know, most people don't
Speaker 1: have time for that. Most people don't bother with it.
Speaker 1: So this is just so you are in the room,
Speaker 1: you know what to expect from each side, which player
Speaker 1: are going to be expensive, which positions are more expensive
Speaker 1: than the other, and you know, you don't have to
Speaker 1: know every name, but it's good to have a couple
Speaker 1: in the bucket right just to know.
Speaker 2: And an important thing too, for context before we jump
Speaker 2: into it, is this is what it looks like in
Speaker 2: the draft room. Correct. That's always is.
Speaker 1: Me opening up a real live draft room for all
Speaker 1: of these and I copy them down. That's the biggest
Speaker 1: pain in the ass.
Speaker 2: It is a huge pain in the ass for you.
Speaker 1: It's not the pre rank that you see on the
Speaker 1: website typically goes by fantasy points, not by where the
Speaker 1: guys are ranked. Yahoo, i think, does go by where
Speaker 1: they are actually ranked, and not by their projected fantasy points.
Speaker 1: But I have to open up and keep a room
Speaker 1: open for ESPN. I have to keep a room open
Speaker 1: for Sleeper. Sleeper is actually really easy because you can
Speaker 1: do your own and then just roll down the whole list.
Speaker 1: So Sleeper is not a pain at all. But ESPN,
Speaker 1: as always, is annoying, and Yahoo can be annoying as well.
Speaker 1: But we got them all here. We got them all
Speaker 1: locked and loaded. I'm sure there's something I messed up
Speaker 1: on the sheet because I'm not AI and I did
Speaker 1: do it myself, But most of this is going to
Speaker 1: be correct, and you guys can check it out. It's
Speaker 1: available in this league dot com. You can check it
Speaker 1: as a post over there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think it's important because there definitely were
Speaker 2: like way way years past where we would rely even
Speaker 2: on like some articles. You know, it would be like
Speaker 2: this is the ESPN rank sheet and we kind of
Speaker 2: post though or whatever it was, and we would use that.
Speaker 2: But many that was many, many years ago. By the way,
Speaker 2: you got to remember we've been we've been around longer
Speaker 2: than we think. Sometimes, like when.
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that they didn't match up in the
Speaker 1: draft room, Yeah, from before a long period different.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're reminded how old we were getting in this
Speaker 2: when like I had a guy on Prospect one, great
Speaker 2: guy by the way, his name is Lucas on Prospect one,
Speaker 2: and like we're chatting and he was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's like I love this show Prospectly he's like I
Speaker 2: you know, he's like, I mean he didn't essentially say
Speaker 2: I grew up listening to it. He's like, I've been
Speaker 2: listening to it back in the old days, and I'm
Speaker 2: assuming like he was a good teena. We've been doing
Speaker 2: this for twelve or thirteen years, which is a disgusting
Speaker 2: amount of time. It's almost about the age of my sons.
Speaker 1: Like I used to listen to it in homeroom before
Speaker 1: class and you're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, oh, that would be disgusting. But the reference to
Speaker 2: that is like in my brain, I might be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: we did that a couple of years ago. That actually
Speaker 2: might be nine years ago or ten years ago. I'm
Speaker 2: at the age where something ten years ago feels like
Speaker 2: it's two years ago. So we made a change on
Speaker 2: this like quite a long time ago where it is
Speaker 2: based around the draft room. I think it's important because
Speaker 2: it's you know, you're literally going to open up this
Speaker 2: is a point of this. You're going to open up
Speaker 2: the draft. You're going to open up the draft and
Speaker 2: then have a separate website up of the Yahoo's ranks
Speaker 2: or someone. I mean, maybe you will. I don't know
Speaker 2: why you would go through that again, that would be
Speaker 2: the cheap fantasy pros plug of like creating cheat sheets
Speaker 2: and stuff. But you're going to look at the draft rooms.
Speaker 2: So this is going to be attacking the draft rooms
Speaker 2: as a whole, and we're going to tackle these three
Speaker 2: sites and we are actually gonna also do it, like
Speaker 2: I said, against Fantasy pros. I do want to hit
Speaker 2: one thing. This has, as I was telling you before
Speaker 2: we start up, like there's a little bit of evergreenness
Speaker 2: to this. This episode is designed, like for the most part,
Speaker 2: to be through the draft season. So I'm very careful
Speaker 2: about getting like hypertopical things because it's you know, in
Speaker 2: three weeks, like who the Hell's like, we wouldn't. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna speculate on Ricky Piersall on this episode because
Speaker 2: like in two weeks, everyone's going to know what the
Speaker 2: hell's going on. I wanted to get a quick take
Speaker 2: because he's not going to come up in this episode
Speaker 2: when you see and you can use it as a
Speaker 2: grander thing, not just on the player, but I wanted
Speaker 2: I do want to hit on this. When you see
Speaker 2: a guy like Milik Neighbors without injury and you see
Speaker 2: him starting out camp, you see him cut and you
Speaker 2: see him looking good. We also kind of have that
Speaker 2: with Patrick Mahomes where he you know, no limitations he's
Speaker 2: in camp and stuff like that. These are no limits soldiers,
Speaker 2: and you look at this stuff, they don't even exist
Speaker 2: on these sheets. Malik Neighbors specifically is not really a
Speaker 2: deal or not deal anywhere because everybody's super indifferent about him.
Speaker 2: Does that make you even knowing what the injury is
Speaker 2: out there? But you see these just like killer moves
Speaker 2: and cuts? Is that something where you want to bring
Speaker 2: him back up and get him to return to original value?
Speaker 2: Because like in three original well, but but in like
Speaker 2: when it's hardcore draft time, the cost of the Melik
Speaker 2: Neighbors July thirtieth or July thirty first ain't gonna be
Speaker 2: the cost in August fourteenth or August twentieth whatever. Because
Speaker 2: if he is out there running, keeps cutting, gets into
Speaker 2: games and stuff like that, we're gonna get back to
Speaker 2: return value, which originally was like a top ten overall
Speaker 2: white out. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Seth and I were actually talking about this
Speaker 1: on a Q and A today on the FB twitch.
Speaker 1: But because he just moving straight back to seven, right,
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm just gonna move him back to seven.
Speaker 1: I saw him cutting. He's fine, and I understand that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I understand that I'm I can't get there though, right,
Speaker 1: So I had him at twenty two because the couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago, the last time I updated this, it was
Speaker 1: you might miss four to five weeks of the regular season.
Speaker 1: That was the the story out there. Now, I probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't have overreacted to that.
Speaker 2: Did you get No, I didn't.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't. All I did was what I did,
Speaker 1: and this is it's going to continue the same thing
Speaker 1: that I did just now. I have a tier from
Speaker 1: thirteen to twenty two. I moved him to the bottom
Speaker 1: of the tier.
Speaker 2: That was what he did with stribbling in the previous episode.
Speaker 2: By the way, we did the pure Saul Stribbling conversation
Speaker 2: and you were like, I might right, tribbling does not matter, Okay,
Speaker 2: So I'm just yeah, yeah, you are. You're not wrong
Speaker 2: in what you're.
Speaker 1: But so I moved him to the top of this
Speaker 1: tier from twenty two to thirteen. So that's a big move.
Speaker 1: That's nine spots from where I had Wait, it's a
Speaker 1: tier or this tier that I have among wide receivers. Yes,
Speaker 1: is from thirteen to twenty two.
Speaker 2: I had him in two.
Speaker 1: No, I moved him from twenty two to thirteen, just oh, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1: Four following I had him at thirteen, and I moved
Speaker 1: him down to the bottom of the tier because they said,
Speaker 1: all right, this probably I didn't want to bury him.
Speaker 1: He's still a wide receiver two. No matter which way
Speaker 1: you cut it, it's just a low end to a
Speaker 1: high end wide receiver two. Now, this Pollyannonius that we're
Speaker 1: seeing from him is also not complete and total and
Speaker 1: for sure. I so I'm not going to move him
Speaker 1: back up into the top ten unless he gets into
Speaker 1: a preseason game and we see it right or like
Speaker 1: they're holding me out of the preseason. But he looks
Speaker 1: awesome every day in camp or something. Right, we have
Speaker 1: a long time to go before a lot of drafts.
Speaker 1: Not everybody does. I understand that. But if I'm drafting today,
Speaker 1: I will take him as a wide receiver two, not
Speaker 1: a wide receiver one. That's all. But if you want
Speaker 1: to take him, yeah, yeah, if he continues to every week,
Speaker 1: it's more every week, it's more like, if he looks
Speaker 1: good for another week, I'll probably move him up to eleven.
Speaker 2: What's your peak? Then, what's the peak?
Speaker 1: Seven? Even the peak? Yeah, seven is the absolute peak
Speaker 1: for me because I would put him to me behind
Speaker 1: Jamar Puka, JSN A manra CD Jefferson, and I think
Speaker 1: that's exactly where he belongs.
Speaker 2: Okay, wait, I think that's fair. I want to say no,
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to look because i think in
Speaker 2: all of that, I don't think I'm that far off
Speaker 2: from you. I didn't have him as low as you did.
Speaker 2: But let me see where I moved him. I moved him.
Speaker 2: Pull up my ranks on Fantasy Pros, which will be
Speaker 2: up I've got see. I think I'm even I have
Speaker 2: to make this move. I've currently got him at fifteen
Speaker 2: and I'm a little bit lower than you. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to find the p I feel like I could get
Speaker 2: him to nine or ten. Seven is pretty aggressive. Who's
Speaker 2: the guy that gets bumped? Is it London or A. J. Brown?
Speaker 1: London? I have? I have Brown at ten, so i've uh.
Speaker 2: Also ceedee Lamb is inside your top six London and Brown? Yeah,
Speaker 2: Chrish for neighbors, got it?
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I have I got London, Nico Pickens, Brown, McMillan,
Speaker 1: o'lave in the next year and that that is the
Speaker 1: back end of wide receiver one seven to twelve and
Speaker 1: then thirteen. I have Neighbors now, which pushed Rashi Rice
Speaker 1: down to fourteen, and then I have Higgins and a
Speaker 1: big so uh all the way down to twenty two.
Speaker 1: So but you know, a wide receiver too. Any way
Speaker 1: you cut it. If you want to have him high, great,
Speaker 1: If you want to have him down at you know,
Speaker 1: in the twenties, also okay to me. But because of
Speaker 1: this positive news, I did move him up. But I'm
Speaker 1: not breaking the mold and putting him like he's If
Speaker 1: he was one hundred percent of healthy, I would have
Speaker 1: him at seven. They're just not willing to do that yet.
Speaker 2: And what makes it interesting in relation to the topic
Speaker 2: here is it's like this. You have to look at places.
Speaker 2: So in ESPN specifically, they don't really move a ton.
Speaker 2: You always have the option in draft rooms to like
Speaker 2: click by ADP, and unfortunately in bigger places like the
Speaker 2: ADP might be slower to move. But like Malik Neighbors
Speaker 2: might be a specific situation where he ranks in a
Speaker 2: very you know, succinct place right now, but like it's
Speaker 2: going to start to stretch and it's going to start
Speaker 2: to change and stuff. But a place like ESPN might
Speaker 2: not really move him a place like Sleeper is the
Speaker 2: most likely to be the most aggressive. Another one of
Speaker 2: those things. Let me actually take a look at this.
Speaker 2: I swear to god, I am not trying to be
Speaker 2: the biggest f and homer for my company at all.
Speaker 2: But we have real time ADP.
Speaker 1: I use the tool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of the main thing is we actually
Speaker 2: have real time ADP. Okay, so this is interesting. So
Speaker 2: Malik Neighbors, I don't do you know where he was
Speaker 2: I don't you probably don't know where he was ranked before.
Speaker 2: But the real time ADP has him at wide receiver
Speaker 2: nineteen right now. But that is.
Speaker 1: I think that sounds right based on like you know,
Speaker 1: probably more drafts every day, but the last two weeks
Speaker 1: he's probably being taken in the twenties.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and I think we just got this up.
Speaker 2: And by the way, it's pulling from Yahoo and Sleeper
Speaker 2: because it doesn't have the twenty four hour data. That's
Speaker 2: the most interesting one. And that's kind of what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get at, is like, if you want to
Speaker 2: track it, maybe you can use just type in like
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pro's real time ADP. And he's currently as Wide
Speaker 2: Receiver nineteen. You can see the trends over seven days,
Speaker 2: and then you can see the trends over twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: and I think those are gonna be kind of dramatic.
Speaker 2: Those are gonna end up becoming dramatic changes that you
Speaker 2: can kind of follow. So like we've already pushed, we've
Speaker 2: already moved him up to. You know, you've got him
Speaker 2: at thirteen. I've got him at fifteen. I kind of
Speaker 2: want to get him to I think I can make
Speaker 2: an easy leap over guys like Garrett Wilson and Chris
Speaker 2: all Love even though he got that big ass contract.
Speaker 2: I think you can make those adjustments. But he's not
Speaker 2: going to show up in a lot of those places.
Speaker 2: So this is gonna be one of those where you're
Speaker 2: really wanted, like true understanding of who he is positionally
Speaker 2: in these other sites. By the way, he is ECR
Speaker 2: nineteen overall, but he has already been moved up as
Speaker 2: because you mentioned not just seven. This is actually really interesting.
Speaker 2: Here's the last thing our system under consensus rank is
Speaker 2: showing best is Wide Receiver seven. But I don't think
Speaker 2: it's caught up. There are actually four people that are
Speaker 2: ranking him higher than seven on ECR right now, And
Speaker 2: what's his overall ECR right now nineteen because the lowest
Speaker 2: is thirty eight. That's probably due to maybe a few
Speaker 2: people not completely updating. You actually haven't updated as I'm
Speaker 2: looking on here.
Speaker 1: Now, I need to updated. I haven't updated in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think like over the next couple of days,
Speaker 2: you're going to see so like ECR in real time
Speaker 2: ADP and all those are not quite matching. Actually real
Speaker 2: time ADP versus his rank actually does. But again, there
Speaker 2: are four people that are higher than seven. The highest
Speaker 2: is at five, and I do see our boy Seth
Speaker 2: Wilcock who's at seven. Also Brad Evans Bright Evans, who's
Speaker 2: he's got him at seven two, So there are I mean,
Speaker 2: I actually wish I could pull this number. This is crazy.
Speaker 2: There are so many above nineteen right now. I don't
Speaker 2: think I could unless I used AI could count this,
Speaker 2: I would eyeball it to say thirty thirty five people
Speaker 2: that have him higher. But there's just a big amount
Speaker 2: of people, So check those things out. Interesting to this
Speaker 2: conversation that we can't really relate it because he doesn't qualify.
Speaker 2: He wasn't a deal or not a deal on any
Speaker 2: of these sites. He's indifferent. But let's take a break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, you can maybe just lay out
Speaker 2: a couple of trends if any trends. Like I said before,
Speaker 2: one might be sleeper, might be one of those ones
Speaker 2: that kind of like actively updates a little bit quicker
Speaker 2: than everything else. We also did a Yahoo draft the
Speaker 2: other day, and I thought things were kind of weird.
Speaker 2: You know, it was the first It was one of
Speaker 2: the first times I noticed we didn't have Yahoo adjust
Speaker 2: to sup. We did a super Flex draft and they
Speaker 2: did not adjust their X rank stuff to super which
Speaker 2: I thought was really odd as well. It just kind
Speaker 2: of like played out as normal. So we'll talk about
Speaker 2: trends if there are any from BOGS, and then we're
Speaker 2: gonna jump into the four categories. We will do it
Speaker 2: right here and in this league after this. It's in
Speaker 2: this league what plants crave.
Speaker 1: It's got electrolytes.
Speaker 2: What are electrolytes?
Speaker 1: Do you even know? It's what they used to make.
Speaker 2: In this league. I'm the smartest guy in the world,
Speaker 2: Like you test.
Speaker 1: She took him prison.
Speaker 2: Carls Junior all right, Ranks Analysis, Sleeper, Yahoo, ESPN, those
Speaker 2: are the three. We do have one we're gonna jump
Speaker 2: into before, which is it's hyper focused on ECR. But
Speaker 2: what it's going to be is where a player is
Speaker 2: either higher or lower across the board on a site
Speaker 2: versus ECR, because ECR is not the be all, end all,
Speaker 2: it's not an ADP. It is just the average rank
Speaker 2: of everybody put together. But we're going to highlight and
Speaker 2: tell you these players on these sites or what these
Speaker 2: players are where they are, and what it does is
Speaker 2: it highlights saying these are just deals versus what the
Speaker 2: consensus is for better or for worse, and these are
Speaker 2: guys that are gonna cost way more. But before we
Speaker 2: do so, trends ESPN, Yahoo's Sleeper, Were there any trends
Speaker 2: like I mentioned one might be more active into the
Speaker 2: current streets. Does one have insanity? You already kind of
Speaker 2: alluded to ESPN as being kind of a dumpster fire
Speaker 2: in that they just don't adjust things and they do
Speaker 2: not adjust the board versus what type of format you're
Speaker 2: playing in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we can start with ESPN because they are pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: They have the most So if you're looking at this sheet,
Speaker 1: if you're in our Patreon, of course you can see
Speaker 1: I have a bright green. This is for guys that
Speaker 1: are more than a round different from ECR. Right, your
Speaker 1: twelve picks are more different from ECR, either positively or negatively.
Speaker 1: ESPN has the most by a lot. ESPN always does,
Speaker 1: but I will say that it's not as much as
Speaker 1: they've had in the past. Yahoo barely has any, which
Speaker 1: was surprising to me, and Sleeper has it at certain positions.
Speaker 1: But when you look at ESPN, you see who is
Speaker 1: cheap here. Initially, there's a glut of wide receivers that
Speaker 1: are cheap, like AJ Brown is more than a round
Speaker 1: difference as ecr's fourteen, he's twenty eighth on ESPN. T
Speaker 1: Higgins is down at forty six, whereas DCR is overall
Speaker 1: at thirty. There's a couple of quarterbacks are very cheap,
Speaker 1: and quarterbacks for the actual trend, but it takes a
Speaker 1: weird turn after the top quarterbacks here, not all top ones,
Speaker 1: but Lamar May Burrow and then Caleb and Herbert are cheap.
Speaker 1: After that you have like the the RB threes Jalen, Warren,
Speaker 1: Ramandre Stevenson, Rico, Donell, Dobbins, Harvey, Manogai Korum, all being
Speaker 1: skipped in ESPN system, and they are cheap everywhere. I mean,
Speaker 1: Warren ECR is sixty eight, his costs on ESPN is
Speaker 1: ninety six, seventy three for Remondra ninety seven on ESPN,
Speaker 1: eighty four ECR for Dowbtle ninety eight on ESPN. So
Speaker 1: you see a glut of running backs in here, then
Speaker 1: we get back to the back end of quarterbacks are
Speaker 1: cheap as well. Not a lot.
Speaker 2: There's a trend. It doesn't sound like there's a trend.
Speaker 1: No, that not an official trend. It is certain players.
Speaker 1: Maybe we can call quarterback maybe a trend, but it
Speaker 1: seems like wide.
Speaker 2: Receivers a second. But I don't see quarterbacks outside of
Speaker 2: like maybe to your well, no, it's never mind. We're
Speaker 2: gonna talk about it. Quite a few wide receivers are
Speaker 2: lower than ECR. There's only one. It's just court like.
Speaker 2: There's five quarterbacks inside the top eight that are cheap
Speaker 2: on there. So it looks like quarterbacks being cheap on
Speaker 2: ESPN is the only trend which is different from them,
Speaker 2: because the same thing is the weirdness. ESPN always floats
Speaker 2: around with weirdness on their ranks. But I think past
Speaker 2: it might have also been tight ends, which doesn't really
Speaker 2: necessarily seem to be the case.
Speaker 1: It's it's quarterbacks and then expensive, I would say, if
Speaker 1: we're looking at one trend, because it's kind of the same,
Speaker 1: there's like a glut of running backs and a bunch
Speaker 1: of wide receivers, but it's rookies are expensive here and the.
Speaker 2: Biggest a different site are still ESPN.
Speaker 1: No, I'm still on ESPN. I'm just looking at the
Speaker 1: expensive players below the cheap players. Jeremiah Love right, his
Speaker 1: ESCR is thirty three, and there was some bad news
Speaker 1: that we talked about about Jeremiah Love and what Nathaniel
Speaker 1: Hackett said the other day. He is a first round
Speaker 1: player on ESPN in a half PPR and PPR.
Speaker 2: This also is very outside of the obviousness of it.
Speaker 2: It's also representative of like the I mean because I
Speaker 2: want to talk about these guys as a whole, not
Speaker 2: just specific to the website, but not only is he
Speaker 2: crazy high here for ESPN that he's going they're just
Speaker 2: not going to adjust like that. That's getting back to it,
Speaker 2: like you're probably not going to see any crazy adjustment,
Speaker 2: and it is wildly different than that.
Speaker 1: And he's expensive everywhere like he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: that will go through. But it you know, he's twenty
Speaker 1: four and twenty six on the other two websites, and
Speaker 1: he's twelve on ESPN. So but rookies overall are high.
Speaker 1: Carneal tates on this list. Tyson Lemon are all on
Speaker 1: this list. So a lot of expensive rookies on ESPN
Speaker 1: and that is by far the most. Like you look
Speaker 1: at Yahoo, Yahoo only has ten players that are more
Speaker 1: than a round different. Two of them are quarterbacks. There's
Speaker 1: three wide receiver, four wide receivers in there. They have
Speaker 1: more expensive players, but not by a lot either. Pre
Speaker 1: level headed from Yahoo. I think the weirdness of Yahoo
Speaker 1: is they won't adjust for super flex like you mentioned,
Speaker 1: and the draft room is different this year, so it
Speaker 1: looks a little weirder, but not a big thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: mid tier running or wide receivers excuse me, are a
Speaker 1: little more expensive on Yahoo. Sleeper has some differences, but
Speaker 1: really it's just that this is the trend of what
Speaker 1: everybody wants. It's expensive or it's cheap. Quarterbacks May Burrow, Herbert,
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence all around or more lower on
Speaker 1: Sleeper than the even the ECR is and I feel
Speaker 1: like ECR is already muting quarterback costs in a one
Speaker 1: QB league, so very cheap on sleeper, and then tight
Speaker 1: ends are a little more expensive. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people on sleeper probably play tight end premium. So
Speaker 1: it's really the secondary tight ends that for whatever reason
Speaker 1: are expensive. Rondez Gas and still like near one hundred
Speaker 1: when his ECR is one p fifty.
Speaker 2: A J.
Speaker 1: Barner is one thirty five where his ECR is one
Speaker 1: seventy six. So expensive tight ends, cheap quarterbacks on sleeper.
Speaker 2: Okay, so let's jump in to the first portion of ECR.
Speaker 2: So this is ECR focused. These are the players some
Speaker 2: of that you mentioned, some of them that are a
Speaker 2: deal comparative to ECR. So look at that whatever you want.
Speaker 2: You could a say the experts are wrong, you know,
Speaker 2: the like the experts are overvaluing these players because look,
Speaker 2: they're cheaper on every site, or you could say the
Speaker 2: sites have not properly built in versus where the consensus
Speaker 2: ranks are. That can also be I lean a little
Speaker 2: bit more towards that, because what you will have is
Speaker 2: like there are some sites like Yahoo is going to
Speaker 2: build off of some of their personal rankers. So like
Speaker 2: if you see a player cheaper on Yahoo, that could
Speaker 2: be a little bit representative of like maybe those specific
Speaker 2: people that are contributed to the ranks. They're just the
Speaker 2: lower ones on that. And if you hold I mean
Speaker 2: you should, yeah, who's got bangers guys there, But you
Speaker 2: might be like, I would rather have the ECR consensus
Speaker 2: versus just what Yahoo is doing. So however you want
Speaker 2: to look at it, I'm not going to tell you
Speaker 2: how to do it. All we know is that in
Speaker 2: this instance, these are players that are deals. They're cheaper
Speaker 2: on all of the websites versus how ECR is ranking them.
Speaker 2: And there are four players that come out that are
Speaker 2: theoretical first rounders, three that aren't in question. A monro
Speaker 2: Saint Brown, Cede Lamb, Justin Jefferson, and AJ Brown are
Speaker 2: all deals. They are going lower or they show up
Speaker 2: lower in Yahoo Sleeper in ESPN system than when ECR
Speaker 2: has them. It is a little nitpicky when it comes
Speaker 2: to a Monro, cd and Jefferson in that they're not
Speaker 2: that much lower, but they just are lower. So like
Speaker 2: you might if you have the the eleventh pick in sleeper,
Speaker 2: you might have a chance at him where ECR says
Speaker 2: he's ten or you know, the better one is a
Speaker 2: Mona Saint Brown, where he is six on ECR, but
Speaker 2: he is eight on the other sites. If you have
Speaker 2: the eighth pick, you've got a shot at him where
Speaker 2: ESR wouldn't tell you. But AJ Brown is the one
Speaker 2: that dominantly shows up. That is, this is the real
Speaker 2: big change. He is ECR fourteen rankers love him, but sleeper,
Speaker 2: he's at twenty. Yahoo's at twenty four and then twenty eight.
Speaker 2: That's that one you're mentioning on ESPN. AJ Brown is
Speaker 2: more than a round higher on him. So very interesting
Speaker 2: that it's like all wide receivers. And then guess what's
Speaker 2: gonna happen when we get to the next By the way,
Speaker 2: it's going to be a running back on others. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 2: so let's just talk. Yeah, comparing to them, it's Christian
Speaker 2: McCaffrey more expensive, Jonathan Taylor more expensive, Amaron Hampton more expensive.
Speaker 2: So three running backs, two which are first rounders, are
Speaker 2: more expensive on every site versus where ECR is. And
Speaker 2: that does not shock me at all because guess what
Speaker 2: wide receivers rule the land for all the rankers out there,
Speaker 2: but the sites are not putting that in. So what
Speaker 2: kind of breakdown do you want to throw in? As
Speaker 2: far as running backs, those running backs being higher Taylor
Speaker 2: and McCaffrey versus four wide receivers one of aj Brown,
Speaker 2: who's dramatically lower than how the rankers are putting up.
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in the cheap prices you have,
Speaker 1: you'll get other players mixed in in the top fifty,
Speaker 1: but inside the top fifty in terms of expensive players,
Speaker 1: it's only RB's right specifically the first round as well,
Speaker 1: but all the way down to fifty three, it's all
Speaker 1: running backs that are expensive on these sites. So I
Speaker 1: think the trend is telling you just overall that running
Speaker 1: backs are going to be more expensive this year on
Speaker 1: every site that you go to. So just keep that
Speaker 1: in mind when you're drafting. If you have a zero
Speaker 1: RB or a hero RB strategy, however you want to
Speaker 1: do it, just understand that the rbs are going to
Speaker 1: be more expensive in twenty twenty six, and they have
Speaker 1: been typically the last few years. That's all. So it
Speaker 1: is all rbs on the expensive You at least have
Speaker 1: a couple other deals initially in the cheap prices. Beyond
Speaker 1: the top, the first round is all wide receivers here,
Speaker 1: but beyond that there is a little mix of tight
Speaker 1: ends and qbs, but not many cheap running backs really
Speaker 1: at any point.
Speaker 2: So the when we move down here, brock Bauers comes
Speaker 2: in as the fifth cheaper than every other site, ESPN
Speaker 2: being the specific I'm not gonna get too hyper focus
Speaker 2: on the actual websites because we're going to break down
Speaker 2: each one, but that is what I'm telling you. ESPN
Speaker 2: seems to be the cheapest on that, and there's a
Speaker 2: little tiny as you mentioned before, as we've alread talked about,
Speaker 2: a Tucker Craft is like wildly cheaper. So there's two
Speaker 2: tight ends that are cheaper there. Brock Bowers comes in
Speaker 2: a couple picks cheaper on every site versus what ECR has.
Speaker 2: George Pickens is another one of those. ECR twenty one.
Speaker 2: Yahoo's the closest to it, but ESPN and Sleeper are
Speaker 2: quite a bit higher, are lower. Everyone look at that,
Speaker 2: and then Zay Flowers, I'm gonna make a quick little
Speaker 2: stop there, your boy, he is ranked higher than everybody
Speaker 2: is actually putting him in the website that boats really
Speaker 2: well for you, and I guess I'm just gonna say
Speaker 2: it on this one and I'm gonna stop doing it.
Speaker 2: But Sleepers like dramatically lower than any other side. So
Speaker 2: Sleeper is a place of Bogman's going on to play
Speaker 2: because he is what twenty nine and he's forty six
Speaker 2: on Sleeper, so that is more than a round value there.
Speaker 2: So interesting couple names brock Bowers, Pickings and Flowers that
Speaker 2: are cheaper on every site versus how the rankers are
Speaker 2: putting them out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think that Bowers is very actionable, but
Speaker 1: it's just interesting that he is cheaper versus ECR on
Speaker 1: all of them. But yes, a Flowers. I mean again,
Speaker 1: if you're just if you're in a draft and you're
Speaker 1: just pulling away a couple names from this episode, that's
Speaker 1: all that really matters is knowing that these guys are cheap.
Speaker 1: And Zay Flowers is an outstanding deal in Sleeper forty
Speaker 1: six rank where he's twenty nine in ECR. He thirty
Speaker 1: three on Yaho and he asked, pans you get four
Speaker 1: picks of a discount but not much, but yeah, great,
Speaker 1: great value on Zay and I'm annoyed that Ericson likes
Speaker 1: him as much because I'm on a forty subver episode
Speaker 1: with him tomorrow and he picks a before I get.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can't have him? Yeah, I mean me and
Speaker 2: Erickson have been fighting over Jalen Waddle incorrectly for a
Speaker 2: couple of years. And he's going to be a like
Speaker 2: a wattle Flowers build. Give me a watterle a Mecca build.
Speaker 2: Oh love it all right, here's a clump. This is
Speaker 2: between ECR forty two. I'm going to add the late
Speaker 2: sixty one because there's a couple. There's three quarterbacks that
Speaker 2: come in here. Kind of As mentioned before, ESPN is
Speaker 2: the biggest value, but their values across the board. Drake May,
Speaker 2: Drake May is actually one of the unique players. I
Speaker 2: think he might be the only player I'm going to
Speaker 2: scroll down. He's one of only two players. The other
Speaker 2: player does not matter, it's cam Ward, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2: But he is the only player that is more than
Speaker 2: a round lower than where he's being ranked. So that
Speaker 2: is one of those unique situations where you know rankers
Speaker 2: are going in you people that have Drake May as
Speaker 2: a number two quarterback. There's this distinction between like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't want to bury the quarterbacks and value and stuff.
Speaker 2: But then when it comes to the websites and the
Speaker 2: build and how they put it in more than a
Speaker 2: round value versus where ECR is, I think that's really interesting.
Speaker 2: Is like, that's a fun target. He's one of those.
Speaker 2: I'll let you talk in a second. Joe Burrow also
Speaker 2: not around across the board, but two of the website
Speaker 2: Sleeper and ESPN have him more than a round. Those
Speaker 2: guys are both in the forties. Mike Evans comes up
Speaker 2: as a solid value. Again, that's one that I every
Speaker 2: year I think he's on valued. I did a video
Speaker 2: on this that he's one of the undervalued wide receivers.
Speaker 2: He's forty fifty one on ECR, as low as seventy
Speaker 2: nine on ESPN. Tucker Craft as you've already mentioned, and
Speaker 2: then Kayleb Williams is the other one. Two of the
Speaker 2: sites have him as more than a round higher, almost
Speaker 2: two rounds. So Drake, May, Burrow, Evans, Craft and Williams
Speaker 2: those are like middish round players that you are going
Speaker 2: to find better if you care about what the consistence
Speaker 2: ranks are on those. And Drake may just to me
Speaker 2: is the most interesting one is that, like he just
Speaker 2: shows up so much lower y'ahoo. Specifically, by the way,
Speaker 2: Burrow was higher than Drake May. You know something, Drake
Speaker 2: May is at the tippy top. I don't hate the
Speaker 2: Burrow thing, but I jumped at the opportunity in the
Speaker 2: super Flex mock because I'm I have May over Burrow.
Speaker 2: So that was one of those unique ones as well.
Speaker 2: Any specifics you want to hit on any of those guys.
Speaker 1: I think I think the Drake May thing was potentially
Speaker 1: getting you know, signing Romeo Dobbs and trading for aj
Speaker 1: Brown later. I think he spiked a little bit in
Speaker 1: ECR after the trade, So I think maybe that's what
Speaker 1: it is with Drake May, because like you said, there
Speaker 1: aren't a lot of guys that are around different everywhere.
Speaker 1: It's only the two qbs, So I think maybe that's
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But yeah, you want to have
Speaker 1: Drake May as QB two, I have no qualms with that.
Speaker 1: It's still lamar from me, but I get it. You know,
Speaker 1: Drake May was awesome, let us team the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: last year and added weapons. So yeah, lots of hype
Speaker 1: on Drake May, deservedly so.
Speaker 2: All right, the next group, I'm gonna kind of plow
Speaker 2: through some of the I'll give Actually, I'll do like
Speaker 2: two more buckets tiers.
Speaker 1: Here.
Speaker 2: You have Rmandra Stevenson, who is available. That's gonna be one.
Speaker 2: You're gonna get values on ESPN being the best kind
Speaker 2: of across where the others are actually kind of low.
Speaker 2: Maybe this wasn't even I mean it is all there lower, Yeah,
Speaker 2: but ESPN is the biggest one. Trevor Lawrence another quarterback sleeper,
Speaker 2: this time being the best value. We also saw that
Speaker 2: with Drake may so there might be a little bit
Speaker 2: of a trend on some higher quarterbacks. For sleeper. Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence is a value, Dak Prescott is a value, Chris
Speaker 2: Godwin is cheaper on every site. Goah, I kind of
Speaker 2: dig that one. And then there's another bucket of quarterbacks
Speaker 2: Jared Goff, Baker Mayfield, and Tyler Shuck. So we're now
Speaker 2: actually seeing maybe this is an incorrect thing with how
Speaker 2: people approach their rankings on ECR. I really attempt with
Speaker 2: overall east. Now I will point this out though as
Speaker 2: a slight caveat. I don't know if everybody puts hyper
Speaker 2: focused attention on the overall on ECR.
Speaker 1: But this is what everybody sees in the room.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm saying ECR not sleeper y'ah. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: a lot of people. So I just want to give
Speaker 2: a caveat before we go nuts with all of this.
Speaker 2: Is that and a quarterback is specific. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people go in and how how the ranking
Speaker 2: process works. As you go in and you there's an
Speaker 2: overall which you start with. No one does and they
Speaker 2: go to positional. But I don't know if people go
Speaker 2: in after the fact, after they do their positional and
Speaker 2: pay attention to overall. So that reason that's important. That
Speaker 2: might be why quarterbacks are showing up as ECR deals
Speaker 2: versus the websites, because I don't know if people are
Speaker 2: paying that close attention and it's gonna default. All of
Speaker 2: that is just a slight little caveat regardless to the point.
Speaker 2: But if you go and you do look at ECR
Speaker 2: on the overall, you're gonna see some big deals on
Speaker 2: all of those quarterbacks. And then you know, again throwing
Speaker 2: in Remandre and Chris Godwin into that bucket. So you said,
Speaker 2: Chris Godwin, you really like that one.
Speaker 1: I love the Chris Godwin one. He's not much of
Speaker 1: a deal on sleeper in Yahoo, but if you're playing
Speaker 1: in ESPN, he's one hundred and twenty six. He's forty
Speaker 1: spots below where his ECR is at eighty six. He
Speaker 1: might be the number one wide receiver for the Bucks. Personally,
Speaker 1: I think it's like Buka, but it would not be
Speaker 1: shocking to see Chris Godwin succeed again. He's got a
Speaker 1: lot of rapport and history with Baker Mayfield, and Baker
Speaker 1: Mayfield said he's gonna have a huge year today after
Speaker 1: not getting the extension he wanted, he's pretty upset about it,
Speaker 1: but he said, I don't care anymore. It's all football time.
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I think Chris Godwin is in for
Speaker 1: a big years. But with him, of course is staying help.
Speaker 2: So the last group, there's there's a bunch of others,
Speaker 2: some not gonna matter more than others, but Tyrone, Tracy,
Speaker 2: Isaiah Pacheco, Alvin Kamara, Dylan Samson. Those are running backs
Speaker 2: that are much much lower versus what ECR has. There's
Speaker 2: another group of quarterbacks again, Tick mccaveat Stroud, Darnold Ward
Speaker 2: and young Dalton Schultz is a tight end that doesn't
Speaker 2: even get ranked in some spots. And then you got
Speaker 2: some wide receiver wide receiver running back combos Trey Harris,
Speaker 2: Ryan florinoy Keayshaan Boody, Sean Tucker, Kamani Videll, Emanuel Wilson.
Speaker 2: Those as standouts as bigger differences. So let's go down
Speaker 2: to a g you have a comment on someone Nope,
Speaker 2: So these are gonna be guys that are more expensive
Speaker 2: versus these groupings here with ECR, Christian McCaffrey and Taylor
Speaker 2: as we already mentioned, Amaron Hampton. There's a bunch of
Speaker 2: running backs, a huge plumper running backs, Jeremiah Love, Brace Hall,
Speaker 2: Breece Hall is a decent amount more expensive ESPN specifically
Speaker 2: being one where it's a full round Javonte Williams, Travis
Speaker 2: Et and Cam Scataboo and Quinchawn Jutkins. That is a
Speaker 2: huge grouping when you look at ECR versus these sites.
Speaker 2: The all again, I do not to bury this and
Speaker 2: keep going, but I do want to stress this overall
Speaker 2: thing that happens because this is how it's getting compared.
Speaker 2: This may feel like less when you start to look
Speaker 2: at the positional ranks, and you start to pay attention
Speaker 2: to the positional stuff and you click in like I'm
Speaker 2: not this isn't necessarily saying quinchn Jutkins is lower on
Speaker 2: a certain website versus. But I think it's blatantly obvious
Speaker 2: when Judkins is a full round lower. That's where this
Speaker 2: is going to become a lot more prevalent when you're
Speaker 2: comparing against ECR.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting it's all running backs here, but that's
Speaker 1: just and I think a little bit of that, uh,
Speaker 1: this this caveat as well Welsh, however you want to
Speaker 1: say it. I think a little bit of this is
Speaker 1: that there's so many two running back, two wide receiver
Speaker 1: leagues in ESPN and Yahoo, and I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people ranking for ECR are ranking for three wideouts, right,
Speaker 1: So it's going to be that, you know, you bump
Speaker 1: the running backs down a little bit in your rankings
Speaker 1: because you want to get to those three wide receivers,
Speaker 1: and on the websites, your basic standard setup is two
Speaker 1: wide receivers instead of three. So I think that's a
Speaker 1: big piece of why the running backs are more expensive.
Speaker 1: But it doesn't really matter what the reasoning for it is.
Speaker 1: In the room. You need to know that our bees
Speaker 1: are going to be more expensive on draft day because
Speaker 1: this is the way it's set up, and these websites
Speaker 1: don't adjust enough to the differences in your league, in
Speaker 1: your roster positions to make it matter. So just know
Speaker 1: that running backs will be more expensive if you're drafting
Speaker 1: on one of these sites. For sure.
Speaker 2: Two more running Backspacial Tutin and Cuba Hubbard specifically show
Speaker 2: up as guys that are higher in the overall draft
Speaker 2: rooms than what ECR is presenting.
Speaker 1: SUBA shouldn't be on this list. That is when I
Speaker 1: screwed up.
Speaker 2: So oh yeah, you're right. That actually is a value
Speaker 2: on ESPN, so he doesn't belong on that. But the
Speaker 2: other two sites, he's more expensive. Wide receivers that show
Speaker 2: up Dj Moore. Dj Moore is in the fifties where
Speaker 2: ECR he's in the sixties. Roman duneesay same situation, more
Speaker 2: expensive on the AAHO and ESPN sleepers a little bit closer.
Speaker 2: A couple of rookies, actually three rookies, Carnell Tait, Jordan Tyson,
Speaker 2: and MacKaye Lemon. MacKaye Lemon being one of the across
Speaker 2: the board more than like two around or two higher
Speaker 2: on all the sites versus what ECR has him ranked.
Speaker 2: And then you know, shout out Ricky Piersol, Ricky Piersol's disasters.
Speaker 2: So we don't focus there, but more donsay Tate, Tyson
Speaker 2: and Lemon way more expensive on sites versus ECR. I
Speaker 2: think there's definitely a conversation around more, but I'm kind
Speaker 2: of obsessed about all the rookies aggressively more than how
Speaker 2: people are ranked.
Speaker 1: I think this is an uncomfortableness around the wide receivers
Speaker 1: that are also in that range with the rookies, and
Speaker 1: I think when you look at it, you know, because
Speaker 1: looking Tait is thirty in uh ECR among wide outs,
Speaker 1: that wide outs that are around him specifically, and DJ Moore,
Speaker 1: Dj Moore, A Duneesa, and Tate are all in a
Speaker 1: row in ECR. They're separated by a tier. Tier five
Speaker 1: starts at Taate number thirty. But the guys below these dudes,
Speaker 1: I think make a lot of people queasy, which is
Speaker 1: why the rookies are getting pushed up in these rankings.
Speaker 1: So it's Marvin Harrison, it's Alec Pierce who came in
Speaker 1: banged up, it's DK Metcalf who had a bad year
Speaker 1: last year. It's BTJ Parker Washington, which one of those
Speaker 1: guys is going to be ston dealing with Wattle now.
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin is old and has had injuries. Michael Wilson,
Speaker 1: I think that is the reason why the rookies are
Speaker 1: bumped up. We always do this with rookies every single year,
Speaker 1: but I think it's this This group of top end
Speaker 1: rookies is because of this glut of wide receivers that
Speaker 1: I feel like, no matter if you pull five people
Speaker 1: that rank, somebody has a problem with each of these
Speaker 1: players that we mentioned before. I think that is why
Speaker 1: these rookies are getting boosted up, and they're going to
Speaker 1: be expensive this year.
Speaker 2: And then the last little group, you've got a couple
Speaker 2: tight ends, Mark Andrews and Isaiah Likely they're actually more expensive.
Speaker 2: Likely he is always an interesting one. Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 2: hate that one. And then you've got Romeo Dobbs, Matthew Golden,
Speaker 2: Casey concept shown and Ray Davis. Whose are all those
Speaker 2: players that are more expensive on sites than versus ECR.
Speaker 1: What is Matthew Golden doing at seventy eight in ESPN?
Speaker 1: I don't get it at all, he's one thirty five
Speaker 1: in ECR one thirty four on Sleeper one eighteen on Yahoo.
Speaker 1: I think is a fairly expensive. Well what are we
Speaker 1: doing with him? It's seventy It.
Speaker 2: Ain't gotta be built around like you know, the projection
Speaker 2: system loving him as you take Romeo, Dobbs and Wis out.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are get hyper focused
Speaker 2: on that, like opportunity.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're baking in because Watson's miss Games every year,
Speaker 1: maybe they're baking that into. Same thing with Reid Read.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's miss Games most seasoned, so maybe
Speaker 1: that I mean, we can we can write it. I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's true, though. It's just very strange.
Speaker 1: It's like Tucker Craft being all the way down at
Speaker 1: one twenty. What is he doing down there? They should
Speaker 1: flip those guys. I think Tucker Craft should go where
Speaker 1: Golden is. Golden should go where Tucker Craft is, and
Speaker 1: then we're all ship shape. But it's just not the
Speaker 1: way it is in reality.
Speaker 2: So all right, so let's take a break, and then
Speaker 2: when we come back, we're now going to get hyper
Speaker 2: focused on the websites. We're going to be looking at
Speaker 2: places where these guys are some of the guys we've
Speaker 2: already talked about, so there might some of them might
Speaker 2: be quicker, specifically, as I'm looking at sleeper, because sleeper
Speaker 2: is I think we missed a boat here, Bogs when
Speaker 2: I say, hey, is there a trend, it's sleeper with quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Clearly is that? So let's take a break and then
Speaker 2: let's hit the sleeper Yahoo and then ESPN welcome in
Speaker 2: this league, Carlo. All right, let's jump over to sleeper.
Speaker 2: Some of these might be a little bit quicker, which
Speaker 2: isn't the worst thing in the world, because we had
Speaker 2: more of an extensive conversation when we did the overall
Speaker 2: versus ECR. Some of these trends are going to continue.
Speaker 2: But the goofy thing we can say now that I'm
Speaker 2: looking at this is sleeper definitely definitely has a positive trend.
Speaker 2: If you are paying attention to ECR on quarterbacks. Here
Speaker 2: are the following quarterbacks that this qualifies as the more
Speaker 2: than a full round over a full round higher than
Speaker 2: what ECR is ranking them. Drake May, Joe Burrow, Justin
Speaker 2: Herbert Caleb Williams, Trevor Lawrence, Dak Prescott, Brock Purty, Bownix
Speaker 2: and Kyler Murray. That is versus if you are looking
Speaker 2: at the overall. Now, I think what can happen though,
Speaker 2: as most people do, because then we're going to get
Speaker 2: into this whole discussion which we don't need to do
Speaker 2: about overall ranks and how overall ranks are weird. But
Speaker 2: when you start to get into positional stuff, this isn't
Speaker 2: saying that, you know, Drake May is a huge deal
Speaker 2: on sleeper from a quarterback perspective. It's just saying when
Speaker 2: you start to look positionally.
Speaker 1: Quarterbacks are cheaper.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The unique thing is is on the board if
Speaker 2: you are looking at if you look and care about
Speaker 2: what ecer overall is, and then you look at a
Speaker 2: draft room, you're gonna be like, holy crap, Drake May
Speaker 2: is way lower than what the overall is telling us.
Speaker 2: But there's a big quarterback trend in there. I don't
Speaker 2: know if there's anything to talk about because it is
Speaker 2: actually almost at the point Bogs where it's almost every quarterback.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I had quarterbacks in the top eighteen here.
Speaker 1: The overarching thing is that you're going to get the
Speaker 1: best deals on qbs on sleeper right like that. That
Speaker 1: is where your qbs are. You want to run your
Speaker 1: super Flex league on sleeper.
Speaker 2: But isn't that funny though, because don't you feel like
Speaker 2: I feel like, if you know super flex, you're playing
Speaker 2: on sleeper.
Speaker 1: Okay, but fair point. But I also know that so
Speaker 1: many people are on sleeper because it runs year round, right,
Speaker 1: So you know it's I think the trend and I
Speaker 1: think people pay more attention to podcast and all the
Speaker 1: information that they have, So if you're not in a
Speaker 1: super Flex league, you bury those qbs. I was on
Speaker 1: a show with ericson today where he was talking about
Speaker 1: him and Pat splitting a team at the Expo and
Speaker 1: it was a super Flex league. Yeah, it was like
Speaker 1: every one of the experts was playing chicken. I think
Speaker 1: they didn't have a quarterback go in the first round.
Speaker 1: It was insane. They're all playing chicken with each other
Speaker 1: in Superflex, right.
Speaker 2: Definitely, we kind of had that in one of the
Speaker 2: mocks we did with it. You see a couple of
Speaker 2: people that played that chicken game of like, nope, I'm
Speaker 2: going to take the positional players we've Definitely, I remember
Speaker 2: a flex year. I don't know if it was me
Speaker 2: or you and I or no dude, you know what
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 1: It was my team I think that you were thinking of.
Speaker 1: It was the one where I took Joe Burrow. Everybody
Speaker 1: made fun of me for not taking McCaffrey, McCaffrey gets hurt,
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow goes crazy, and I took Jane Daniels in
Speaker 1: his rookie year.
Speaker 2: So it's not that one, but it's another instance where
Speaker 2: it worked for you. I remember you and I talked
Speaker 2: about that where people got on you, but it also
Speaker 2: happened to you and I when the first year of
Speaker 2: Flex League we shared a Flex League team or no,
Speaker 2: I'm still screwing it up. I think this was the
Speaker 2: pentathlon that we did the very first year. People played
Speaker 2: chicken on quarterbacks and we balled out. We went for
Speaker 2: round one and two on quarterbacks and people were letting
Speaker 2: them slide, and we dominated through the year. We absolutely domin.
Speaker 2: We've actually dominated like two straight years in that super
Speaker 2: Flex League because we go heavy early quarterbacks. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I do remember you having that happen as well. So
Speaker 2: fair point. You know, a lot more leagues are gonna
Speaker 2: play there, and there's a lot more chicken that happens
Speaker 2: where people are like I don't want to. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get these positional players and I can get value,
Speaker 2: kind of like what happened in the mock where Colin
Speaker 2: was like, I'm gonna wait till the very end, and
Speaker 2: he yeah, actually had a decent quarterback Perry. That does
Speaker 2: happen a lot when you get a lot more like
Speaker 2: high stakes and like industry wide. So maybe that's the case.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's smart people only play on sleeper,
Speaker 1: but I would say there's more Rubes on Yahoo and
Speaker 1: ESPN as well, So I think the people that are
Speaker 1: in the know play in sleeper, and people in the
Speaker 1: know wait on quarterback in a one QB league, and
Speaker 1: they even try to do it in super Flex this season,
Speaker 1: So I think that is probably the trend. But I
Speaker 1: think in most cases, right when you get beyond like
Speaker 1: the guys that are around different and all that, if
Speaker 1: you just look at the overarching these guys are deals.
Speaker 1: These guys are a little more expensive, it's by a
Speaker 1: spot or two. It is overwhelmingly cheaper to get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver on sleeper. Right looking through just the regular
Speaker 1: deals that are just a little bit off, it's almost
Speaker 1: exclusively wide receivers for the first three rounds. Brock Bowers
Speaker 1: is in there, Lamar Jackson is in there, Colston Loveland
Speaker 1: shows up. We don't get a running back until DeAndre
Speaker 1: Swift at sixty. That is cheaper. And if you go
Speaker 1: and you just scroll down to these more expensive guys,
Speaker 1: it's the reverse. Trey McBride is more expensive on sleeper
Speaker 1: for whatever reason. But the rest from seven to thirty nine,
Speaker 1: which is about fifteen players twelve players somewhere in that
Speaker 1: range on this sheet, all rbs so urb's are just
Speaker 1: a little more expensive. Wide receiver is a little cheaper
Speaker 1: on sleeper. That is a trend that is going to
Speaker 1: go through all the websites, but is very very apparent
Speaker 1: when you look at how Sleeper ranks their players.
Speaker 2: The only really player of note for sleeper that's a
Speaker 2: big deal with Say Flowers, as we've talked about before,
Speaker 2: that's the big one outside of quarterbacks. They out of
Speaker 2: the positional players, it's Zay Flowers is the only top
Speaker 2: one hundred player that you will get an exceptional deal
Speaker 2: with Sleeper versus everybody else. The other deals of non quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Alvin Kamara, it's kind of an interesting one where he
Speaker 2: is like a lot of rankers have made that adjustment.
Speaker 2: It really hasn't happened on sleeper. It's like twenty, it's
Speaker 2: about two rounds. Isaiah Pacheco, It's a totally odd one
Speaker 2: that he's like super late comparative to like where ECR
Speaker 2: is putting him. And then Ryan Flornoy is actually not
Speaker 2: even know it's not what not not in the top two. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that's a popular trend one. I guess you kind
Speaker 2: of mentioned it. But I'm gonna go through more the
Speaker 2: physical names here, the guys that are more expensive on
Speaker 2: sleeper versus kind of the overall the running backs Bucky
Speaker 2: Irving and Traveon Henderson sleeper. That is going to be
Speaker 2: more of an expensive cost. That's interesting too because they're
Speaker 2: both very polarizing. You know, I think maybe Bucky's moving
Speaker 2: away from the polarizing conversation because of the health. Travon Henderson,
Speaker 2: I mean, you're either just Travion's gonna ball out this year.
Speaker 2: I don't care which, well, I don't care what facts
Speaker 2: you tell me, or you're that is great about Trevion,
Speaker 2: But Remandre is still like the top guy.
Speaker 1: There, sound like leading the witness a little bit there.
Speaker 1: Where would you say you are in? That is? Are
Speaker 1: you on the Travion? Are you on the Remandre?
Speaker 2: I'm on the Remandre A little bit in that. That'll
Speaker 2: pick the deal. Here's what I don't argue. Travion Henderson
Speaker 2: is the most talented back. But what happened last year
Speaker 2: that's gonna not happen this year. Where they're gonna move
Speaker 2: away from Ronobbos? The what fumble? Okay, it didn't happen
Speaker 2: last year where it took them away? Why is that
Speaker 2: gonna be changed this year? Is just gonna all magic
Speaker 2: block fumble a bunch more times? No, it's no, but
Speaker 2: ms we had last year? Why Travion was gonna ball out?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Argument's fumbles and pass blocking?
Speaker 1: Do you remember the second year of Jonathan Taylor? You
Speaker 1: remember the second year of Chase Brown? Remember the second
Speaker 1: year Devon ah Chan Uh? These got in. I think
Speaker 1: the difference in Henderson and uh Stevenson to me is
Speaker 1: almost the same as gives in Montgomery. I would say
Speaker 1: gives in Montgomery both better than their counterparts on the Patriots.
Speaker 1: But I think the gap is huge, and I think
Speaker 1: when you add a j. Brown, you add Romeo Dobbs. Uh.
Speaker 1: They faced the tenth and fourteenth most eight man boxes
Speaker 1: among running backs last year. That's gonna change. That benefits
Speaker 1: Henderson way more than it benefits Stevenson. So I think
Speaker 1: I'm on I'm on the Henderson here. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of reasons to like Stevenson as well, but
Speaker 1: why But that's why these guys are in this group
Speaker 1: right here? Is what you said, they're polarizing.
Speaker 2: I think you're getting one thing. I don't like Henderson
Speaker 2: a ton.
Speaker 1: I just for Henderson.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I don't like Remandre a whole bunch.
Speaker 2: I interested in Trevon Henderson at his cost. He's fine.
Speaker 2: I just I don't have the path where I mean
Speaker 2: they They just added two new great wide receivers. I
Speaker 2: think are continued passing the ball. Obviously the schedule is
Speaker 2: a little bit harder than it was last year, But like,
Speaker 2: why do I believe that he is going to get
Speaker 2: X more amount of touches over Ramandra Stevenson when they
Speaker 2: cannot quit Remandre. They continuously talking about him. So Travon's
Speaker 2: super talented. I would love for it to happen. It's
Speaker 2: just like the same cost as last year. So I
Speaker 2: might be wrong and everybody that drafts him as a
Speaker 2: running back to oh, okay, that'd be cool. That's for
Speaker 2: the running back episode, I guess. But like, I'm not,
Speaker 2: I'm not into buying that that big change is going
Speaker 2: to happen because I don't see the path of why
Speaker 2: Reminder will disappear. If I can see the path of
Speaker 2: why a guy is going to disappear, by the way,
Speaker 2: I will be completely honest. You could take my same
Speaker 2: argument I'm making and use it. You could try to
Speaker 2: use it against me in this whole Tuba Jonathan Taylor thing,
Speaker 2: like why are they going to because you're a big
Speaker 2: Tuba guy, why are they going to quit Cuba? But
Speaker 2: here's the difference. Jonathan Taylor costs so much less than
Speaker 2: Trevon Henderson. World Jonathan Brooks, Jonathan Brooks. I'm sorry I
Speaker 2: keep saying Jonathan Taylor. Who's Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 1: He's running back for the Colts.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, yeah, duh. But Jonathan Brooks comes
Speaker 2: at the cost of like an RB thirty five or forty, yeah,
Speaker 2: like that, where Trevon Henderson costs me like a fourth
Speaker 2: or fifth round Picke.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with that for sure. And look, I'm
Speaker 1: more positive on Brooks than I was a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks ago. We talked to dpak all. The news has
Speaker 1: been much much better on Brooks in the last even week,
Speaker 1: so I'm more positive on Brooks too. My point to
Speaker 1: the Tuba thing is that I think Cuba played hurt
Speaker 1: all you last year. It's completely different argument, way worse
Speaker 1: offense as well, and not enough changes in the Panthers offense.
Speaker 1: In the Patriots offense, you get Brown and dobbson there,
Speaker 1: make that opens up the offense so much. You just
Speaker 1: didn't have much there last year. So it's it's a
Speaker 1: weird argument. It's something that we paused on here during
Speaker 1: this But yeah, everybody send your Ramondre Stevenson trade offers
Speaker 1: to the well.
Speaker 2: She clearly went, I won't accept them.
Speaker 1: It won't be annoying at all.
Speaker 2: Then you're gonna get something over off on me.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not smashing the button for Andre Stevenson. I'm just
Speaker 2: definitely not smashing the button on Trevon Henderson. I would
Speaker 2: rather Sleeper has Bucky Irving two spots away from Trevion Henderson. No, thanks,
Speaker 2: I'll take buck.
Speaker 1: I I just want Welsh to complain about the stupid
Speaker 1: amount of Ramondre Stevenson trades that are in his box
Speaker 1: on the next show. That's all I want from me.
Speaker 2: I know. If I see him, great, we'll take a
Speaker 2: look at him. If you're if you're trying to get
Speaker 2: anything worthwhile, you can laugh. You know what I'll do.
Speaker 2: Just wait for me to respond. Just hold your breath
Speaker 2: away for me to respond. That's what I'd like you
Speaker 2: to do.
Speaker 1: Oh God, Stevenson somewhere so I can do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, And I watch you to hold your breath
Speaker 2: for my response and then tell me if you know,
Speaker 2: tell me how that works. The other guys that are
Speaker 2: more expensive here, Jordan Tyson, Mackay Lemons. So I think
Speaker 2: we've kind of mentioned this. There's you know, some of everywhere, Yeah,
Speaker 2: specifically here Sleeper. It's really high. Kalaman on guys is
Speaker 2: a weird one that's there. There's a group of titands.
Speaker 2: I think, as you'd mentioned, Gatson, Henry Barner, Sadiq a
Speaker 2: little bit lower. It looks like Sleeper has made the
Speaker 2: adjustment versus a lot of people. With Stefan Diggs, he
Speaker 2: is going to be a higher cost here. We did
Speaker 2: the mock draft the other day and you were screaming like,
Speaker 2: oh crap, I forgot about Stefan Diggs. That kind of
Speaker 2: continuously happening. Yahoo has him low but not low enough,
Speaker 2: or has him too low. Sleeper has made the adjustment
Speaker 2: a couple others, Terence Ferguson, Emmett Johnson, Tyreek Hill for
Speaker 2: some reason. And would you look at this Deebo Samuel,
Speaker 2: Deebo Samuel. Actually, as we were recording this, like ten
Speaker 2: minutes ago, live here, Deebo Samuel signed a one year,
Speaker 2: seven million dollar deal to rejoin the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: First off, vomit my mouth that they give him a
Speaker 2: million dollars and why I'd rather had stuff on digs.
Speaker 2: But fine, I'll have to retort that video from a
Speaker 2: couple of years ago where I took the autographed de
Speaker 2: Bo Samuel helmet and threw it. I'll have to go,
Speaker 2: you know what to see. It's right up right up
Speaker 2: in the right hand corner. I'll bring it back here.
Speaker 1: Right next to the cobwebs up there. Yeah, that's real
Speaker 1: bad news for Ricky Piersoll that they immediately go out.
Speaker 1: I know, maybe this debot thing was in the works
Speaker 1: for a little bit, but I feel like two days
Speaker 1: after Ricky gets hurt, they go out and they make
Speaker 1: it official and signed debo. Really not good news.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I almost quote tweeted this while we were doing
Speaker 2: the show, like, you know, who cares about debo? This
Speaker 2: tells you all you need to know about the direction
Speaker 2: that's heading for Rickey Petersol for sure. Yea, that is
Speaker 2: sleeper in a hole. Let's go over to Yahoo. So
Speaker 2: Yahoo's got a lot less to tell in the deals. Again,
Speaker 2: take everything we've talked about before, kind of comparing this
Speaker 2: is one of those instances where you were going to
Speaker 2: get another deal we already mentioned. Drake me is a
Speaker 2: deal kind of everywhere Drake May is in here, there's
Speaker 2: another quarterbacking cam Ward. There's there's a little middle glut
Speaker 2: though they're probably like wide receiver threes, the wide receiver fours,
Speaker 2: probably more like fours, maybe even five's Courtland Sutton, Michael Pittman,
Speaker 2: and Wandel Robinson are random deals here that you highlight.
Speaker 2: You were only highlighting the really big big deals of
Speaker 2: what's the difference?
Speaker 1: Yeah, round difference, that's it, And I did it brainlessly.
Speaker 1: I was just looking at the numbers, not the players
Speaker 1: at all. So, uh, that's weird. It's weird to see
Speaker 1: like the specific players. Yahoo is very level headed this year,
Speaker 1: at least versus ECR. Right, not many deals to be had,
Speaker 1: not many guys that you're getting hit over the head.
Speaker 1: With some of the more popular ones you will like
Speaker 1: Parker Washington, Bryan Thomas, Jalen Wattle, and Lemons on every list.
Speaker 1: And actually DIGS is higher than ECR. So I don't
Speaker 1: know why I keep missing DIGS. But yeah, this is
Speaker 1: y'all who is very level headed. And I would say
Speaker 1: even the slight ranks are fairly normal as well, So
Speaker 1: this might be the best year of ranking for Yahoo,
Speaker 1: which I might have said last year as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I don't like out of person don't
Speaker 2: like the burrow over may, but that's more just like
Speaker 2: me personally. I also didn't like the adjustment. It didn't
Speaker 2: live adjust to dramatically what we were doing. It was
Speaker 2: just like quarterbacks were still buried on the overall room.
Speaker 2: So you really didn't want to ask. Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that was more of the important thing. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: guess like what you're saying there's really no like big deals.
Speaker 2: They are even kind of even level. There are a
Speaker 2: couple players though in the U will pay up fours,
Speaker 2: which I want to talk about in a second. The
Speaker 2: last on the quote deals a couple of tight ends Ferguson,
Speaker 2: Schultz Howkinson, Trey Harris. I know that's a guy that
Speaker 2: Erickson really likes. He's kind of buried down there. But
Speaker 2: specifically I'm into I'm not really into pit to Sutton.
Speaker 2: I'm indifferent about Pittman. Maybe you feel more excited about
Speaker 2: it as a Steelers fan. Wanda Robinson is someone I
Speaker 2: am drafting in a ton of spots, So I really
Speaker 2: like that deal. So Yahoo works for me and that
Speaker 2: I can get May and him as a de but
Speaker 2: there's really nothing else.
Speaker 1: Again, we got to get Jake on so we can
Speaker 1: talk about one Delle Robinson again.
Speaker 2: Well it was Jake argument. It was Jake and FITZI
Speaker 2: that both just absolutely tried to bury you last year.
Speaker 2: I remember FITZI was like, he was like, he's one
Speaker 2: of the most worthless picks on the planet. And I
Speaker 2: brought it up in the Ranks show week like five
Speaker 2: or six, and he gave you some flowers because.
Speaker 1: That was and you were.
Speaker 2: Definitely in the right there, I do.
Speaker 1: I will, I will buckle down and and and you know,
Speaker 1: dig a trench. Uh to protect a take that I
Speaker 1: think is real. That's what I had.
Speaker 2: I had.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's dug in trade me on way over
Speaker 1: Stevenson for sure. But uh, last year that was cam Skataboo.
Speaker 1: It was Wan Dale.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: There were a couple other guys that I'm not remembering
Speaker 1: right now, but that one I remember specifically. Jake was
Speaker 1: very rude.
Speaker 2: He was very rude about it.
Speaker 1: I'm also rude sometimes, but but Jake was.
Speaker 2: You've been rude multiple times this episode, so and you're
Speaker 2: also right when you're rude. But I definitely liked it
Speaker 2: because we're a lot of us. It really helps when
Speaker 2: you have like a grouping of people of that are
Speaker 2: actual friends and stuff, because like I wanted to call
Speaker 2: them out. I called Pat out on the show, and
Speaker 2: we can do that type of stuff because it's not
Speaker 2: just like being like, yeah, I'm not really with that take.
Speaker 2: It's like some of you guys will get like that's
Speaker 2: the worst ever. Like we did a show show on
Speaker 2: the tailgate. Erickson and Debro absolutely buried me and left
Speaker 2: me hanging on a take, which, by the way, I
Speaker 2: was on this when it was fun. It was not
Speaker 2: cool last year. Remember my Colts take where I'm like,
Speaker 2: the Colts are going to be the surprise team and
Speaker 2: you were giving me my flowers everywhere, and then they
Speaker 2: went off and we're the biggest pilot s on the planet.
Speaker 2: Where they lost seven straight. Maybe it looked like a dip,
Speaker 2: but I'm back on the Colts again this year in
Speaker 2: that division, and they just trashed me for it. They
Speaker 2: just left me hanging.
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, guys, did you guys did
Speaker 1: this last year?
Speaker 2: Debro said they will not beat They won't have one
Speaker 2: game where the Colts can beat the Texans or the Jaguars,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, get ready, because the Colts win one
Speaker 2: of those games, I'm gonna be in If the Colts
Speaker 2: win that division, I'm in my bet. By the way,
Speaker 2: the only thing I even put out there was the
Speaker 2: Colts would win like nine games or something like that
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Not even the division.
Speaker 2: And then yeah, I don't even remember if it was.
Speaker 2: I think it was just my games of eight point
Speaker 2: five over and they just they just sked all over it.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to pounce, but I was also ready to
Speaker 2: defend you and pounce for you because you were so
Speaker 2: adamant about Wandale and you were so.
Speaker 1: Right about this in PPR and never so rude. The
Speaker 1: yards doesn't The yards don't matter as much, right, it's
Speaker 1: if he's getting Uh that was Jake was like, there's
Speaker 1: nowhere to grow off of what Wandal did. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why do I want him to grow? Just be the
Speaker 1: same guy you were last year. That's a wide receiver
Speaker 1: three and that's exactly what he did, and he got
Speaker 1: a better contract and.
Speaker 2: It was free ninety nine and guess what. Guess what,
Speaker 2: he's almost free ninety nine again. I'm trying to draft him.
Speaker 2: And why would I not draft him as my my
Speaker 2: fifth wide receiver in every single draft?
Speaker 1: Why? Amen? I got him inside my top one hundred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. I'm back. But
Speaker 2: it's like more popular to like him. But that's why
Speaker 2: Yahoo's gonna be a good place for us on the
Speaker 2: the not deals. I will admit again, there's like I'm
Speaker 2: actually gonna jump to the bottom here because I think
Speaker 2: there's a lot of things that don't matter to you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: But just as a point, guys like Ferguson, k Tron Allen.
Speaker 2: If you're looking for a deer, Greg Doltcic, that's one
Speaker 2: for Ericson, Jaden Blue Desmond. I just don't think these
Speaker 2: really necessarily matter Jalen Naylor, Terris Ferguson. There's a there's
Speaker 2: a group of five though that I think are well.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say four because Stefan Diggs is in this
Speaker 2: group as well. The ECR enough people have not made
Speaker 2: the rank adjustment because he hasn't signed. Hot tip to
Speaker 2: the sites for trying to push him higher, but Digs
Speaker 2: still fell to me in that draft. You sorry, go ahead,
Speaker 2: and then I'll mention I'm gonna I'm gonna hyper focus
Speaker 2: on the top four here in a South.
Speaker 1: ESPN doesn't change. I think Sleeper reacts to ADP. But
Speaker 1: I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Yahoo goes through rotal
Speaker 1: wire projections, right, So when Diggs was updated, as you know,
Speaker 1: a guy with stats in the rotal wire projections, I
Speaker 1: think that's what did it in Yahoo. And that's why
Speaker 1: you're seeing Diggs as a not a value at all
Speaker 1: versus ECR. Because ECR hasn't changed, but the projection has
Speaker 1: been updated for Diggs after his legal stuff and looks
Speaker 1: like he's gonna sign somewhere eventually and play this year.
Speaker 2: The four guys I think that are relevant to your
Speaker 2: drafting here are almost all top one hundred ECR guys.
Speaker 2: They're all top one hundred in Yahoo, and they are
Speaker 2: about around or more higher than what you're seeing versus ECR.
Speaker 2: The number one player, and this is really relative, is
Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle because I do want my shares of Jalen
Speaker 2: Waddle ECR. He's forty four, and I think that's important
Speaker 2: here because for whatever jankiness you want to get on,
Speaker 2: like what the the overall ECR looks like when you
Speaker 2: get in the top fifty is pretty granular. Jalen people love,
Speaker 2: just people love Jalen Waddle. This year, I'm into Jailen Waddle.
Speaker 2: Don't even start with Ericson's like that. He's still forty
Speaker 2: fourth in ECR, he's thirty one on Yahoo. You are
Speaker 2: getting no deals on him, and obviously you know he
Speaker 2: was still able to you know, it wasn't amazing last
Speaker 2: year in that crappy Dolph Dolphins offense. Nine hundred and
Speaker 2: ten yard six touchdowns or whatever. But everybody is going
Speaker 2: through the moon of him being the number one guy
Speaker 2: in Denver, how they're going to pass, how much he's loved,
Speaker 2: going to move through the offense. Like I'm I'm a
Speaker 2: buy in. He ain't getting any deals. You're talking about
Speaker 2: a twelve man. He's a third round pick. You might
Speaker 2: have to go wide receiver running back, and maybe you're
Speaker 2: lucky and he's your wide receiver two. In a perfect world,
Speaker 2: I'd like to get him in the fourth round. So
Speaker 2: maybe I have, you know, wide receiver two running back
Speaker 2: and then I get Wattle or Wattle comes in as
Speaker 2: my third wide out. He's just very expensive on that platform,
Speaker 2: and I think that's the most significant one that really
Speaker 2: stands out, is like Wattle being expensive on Yahoo.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not there with Waddle. I have him at
Speaker 1: forty five, his ECRs forty four, so thirty one. Heike's
Speaker 1: way too expensive for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want I want to draft him, but
Speaker 2: like that's gonna maybe price me especially. I'm not looking.
Speaker 2: Do you have the just blanket ranks here that I
Speaker 2: can look at? What are we doing? We're doing Yahoo
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: What is a Mecca. Yeah, I mean a Mecca's forty
Speaker 2: on that list, so he is almost around behind Wattle.
Speaker 2: He is positionally, he's like four spots lower, but from
Speaker 2: an overall perspective, like like if I have a choice between, hey,
Speaker 2: should I spend my third round on Wattle or should
Speaker 2: I take you know, the running back that I want,
Speaker 2: like a kyrin r Javante and then come back in
Speaker 2: the forth and get a Mecca. I'm gonna do that
Speaker 2: every single time, even though I like what I agree, okay,
Speaker 2: and that's more of our person I have Wattle, I.
Speaker 1: Had of Aguka two and in a different tier, but
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: And then both Jaguars wide receiver. You guys did an
Speaker 2: episode is funny. I was watching it. It was a
Speaker 2: Fantasy Pros video where you guys just did this blanket conversation.
Speaker 2: It was all the Jaguars pass catchers and you guys
Speaker 2: were kind of battling through and talking. They're both more
Speaker 2: expensive on Yahoo. Brian Thomas is seventy eight on ECR,
Speaker 2: like sixty five overall on Yah. Who Parker Washington is
Speaker 2: eighty five on ECR, but he's six seven six seven
Speaker 2: sixty seven on there So the thing that I really
Speaker 2: like about Parker Washington this year, outside of like I
Speaker 2: think it's I think, I know you're not big on him.
Speaker 2: I think there's an easy platform for him to surpass
Speaker 2: Brian Thomas's production. But it's pretty sexy when Parker Washington
Speaker 2: goes like two rounds lower, two or three rounds lower
Speaker 2: than Brian Thomas or even around.
Speaker 1: They're next to each other.
Speaker 2: Now they're next to each other. They're both expensive, and
Speaker 2: they're both there that that does feel like it might
Speaker 2: start to price me out a little bit. But I
Speaker 2: know you're just like I think you know Thomas over anybody, But.
Speaker 1: I'm nobody in Jacksonville. You know what? The nice thing
Speaker 1: about the Jaguars wide receivers are They're like a card
Speaker 1: game in a casino that I don't know. I ain't
Speaker 1: playing it. I'm not gonna do it. I'm gonna walk
Speaker 1: right past that table. I may watch other people play
Speaker 1: at that table and go, what's going on here? This
Speaker 1: is interesting, but I'm not getting involved. That is basically
Speaker 1: how I see the Jaguars wide receiver room. I don't
Speaker 1: know who's gonna be the best there. I don't know
Speaker 1: how much thirteen personnel are going to run, but they
Speaker 1: drafted two tight ends and extended runt and strange. I
Speaker 1: hate the running back group as well. Trevor Lawrence is
Speaker 1: my answer to anything with Jackuars. That's who I want
Speaker 1: from Jacksonville. And that's about it. Lots of IDPs I
Speaker 1: like from Jacksonville, but no no players but Lawrence.
Speaker 2: On I'm definitely with you on Lawrence. And and you know,
Speaker 2: I mean Erickson is the freaking conductor of the Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence train. Like he's making cases he could be number
Speaker 2: one overall at quarterback like I have him higher I
Speaker 2: have Lawrence. I think it's seven at quarterback. So I'm
Speaker 2: with you on that. I do want my Parker Washington's
Speaker 2: where I can. I just don't want it at that cost.
Speaker 2: Like sixty seven is sixth round. I think if you're
Speaker 2: in a twelve man, that's like a six round overall,
Speaker 2: Like that's a wide receiver two, maybe a three. I
Speaker 2: really like the advantage of Parker Washington as my wide
Speaker 2: receiver four. That's where I want to be invested in
Speaker 2: him because I want the I want there's my receiver.
Speaker 1: One upside in that offense for Parker Washington.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like I want Parker Washington's growth to be
Speaker 2: the floor. I draft him as a four, so like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't take a whole lot of equity when he
Speaker 2: could get me my three, then there's a return on
Speaker 2: value when you draft him as a three. He's really
Speaker 2: got to overperform, and that's getting and sometimes when you're
Speaker 2: in the world of like get your guys and hey,
Speaker 2: by the way, Parker Washington, I project him to be
Speaker 2: a wide receiver two, then what the hell you care?
Speaker 2: But like, I think I'll be a room in my construction.
Speaker 1: That it would be great for Jacksonville a really crappy defense.
Speaker 1: If you could give them the Bengals defense, that would
Speaker 1: be awesome. Then they would have to play catch up.
Speaker 1: Everybody could add some value. Ain't gonna be like that
Speaker 1: though their defense is pretty good. The other one, I'd
Speaker 1: also don't like the Colts for the division.
Speaker 2: But the last one, okay, you guys, I mean again,
Speaker 2: it was eight point five wins. That was my bet.
Speaker 2: It was eight point five over wins was my favorite bet. There.
Speaker 1: You usually do this to me. How am I getting
Speaker 1: you so flustered today? This is crazy?
Speaker 2: You know what? Whatever Jake says, I'm gonna go defend him.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go listen to whatever he's doing right now.
Speaker 2: The only other one is mckaylain and on Yahoo everywhere
Speaker 2: across the board, all the sites.
Speaker 1: Okay, Doke, let's go to.
Speaker 2: ESPN because there's a lot here there. You kind of
Speaker 2: already did a lot of covering, so I'm going to
Speaker 2: kind of jump through because you mentioned a lot of
Speaker 2: the names, but this is going to be a rehash.
Speaker 2: These are the players on ESPN that are dramatically more
Speaker 2: expensive than ECR, and a lot of these also check
Speaker 2: the box of being dramatically more expensive than the other sites.
Speaker 2: Starting with AJ Brown and T Higgins, those are your
Speaker 2: top two. AJ Brown's significant because he does go in
Speaker 2: the first round in some spots, but he is twenty
Speaker 2: eight on ESPN on the overall that is wildly different.
Speaker 2: And then T Higgins is thirty on ECR, forty six
Speaker 2: on ESPN. I don't click T higgins name a lot,
Speaker 2: but he low key just continuously does produce. The AJ
Speaker 2: Brown one is one I'd love to have some investment on.
Speaker 2: I feel like ESPN is going to give me the
Speaker 2: best opportunity if I can get him somewhere in the
Speaker 2: mid second round. You're just not going to do that
Speaker 2: in most other spots.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a third round pick where they
Speaker 1: have him at twenty eight. That's that you're in the
Speaker 1: third getting AJ Brown with a much better quarterback this
Speaker 1: year for him. So I really, I really think that
Speaker 1: this goes to ESPN not moving their guys once they
Speaker 1: set them in. They typically don't move them. They have
Speaker 1: done it more I think recently than they have in
Speaker 1: the past. So maybe he does get moved up eventually,
Speaker 1: but he ain't gonna make it to fourteen. So AJ
Speaker 1: Brown's gonna be a deal every time one is ESPN.
Speaker 2: There's a grouping of quarterbacks again that I'm gonna kind
Speaker 2: of just move away from. But Lamar Jackson, Drake May,
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, also Kayler Williams, and Justin Herbert. Those guys
Speaker 2: from an ECRs perspective are all inside the top seventy.
Speaker 2: They range from fifty six down to ninety four, So
Speaker 2: you're gonna get deals there. Two wide receivers we've we've
Speaker 2: clicked one of these names before, but you got Christian
Speaker 2: Watson and Mike Evans ECR. Mike Evans is actually the
Speaker 2: higher one at fifty one. I probably don't help that
Speaker 2: Christian Watson is fifty seven on ECR. But these guys
Speaker 2: come in the late events of ESPN, so probably the
Speaker 2: best deals you're going to find on these these two players.
Speaker 2: I'm cool with Christian Watson. Actually almost wanted to draft
Speaker 2: him in the the super flex mak we did. But
Speaker 2: I'm pretty like outwardly out there about Mike Evans being it. Now,
Speaker 2: maybe you can make an argument. Okay, they just brought
Speaker 2: in Deebo Samuel. I know it does feel very eye rolly,
Speaker 2: but Debo thrived with San Francisco, and they're gonna use
Speaker 2: Debo in different roles and stuff like that. The thing
Speaker 2: I don't like about this is I loved that Puresol
Speaker 2: was he was the ability to stretch the field and
Speaker 2: he kind of like he separates the defenses. Debo's not
Speaker 2: going to separate anything like Mike.
Speaker 1: Like shortened go guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wanted the field to be stretched out for
Speaker 2: Mike Evans, but like Mike Evans is going to make
Speaker 2: the majority of his work in the red zone and
Speaker 2: I'm not sure Debo's going to take away from that.
Speaker 2: And Debo's not going to be like a two wide receiver.
Speaker 2: I actually, honestly, I look at this, I think Debo
Speaker 2: might still be just a gadgety type of player. They
Speaker 2: might two wide receiver set with a with a guy
Speaker 2: like Stribbling. But I just don't think Deebo has any
Speaker 2: bearing over Mike Evans, so I want to draft him here.
Speaker 2: So I am clicking Mike Evans's name a lot, maybe
Speaker 2: not Christian Watson, but you're gonna get tremendous deals on
Speaker 2: ESPN for those two.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that too. ESPN has a very weird
Speaker 1: sense every time. Uh, they're better than they have been
Speaker 1: in the past. I'll give them that for sure. But
Speaker 1: there's still way more guys on this list that have
Speaker 1: a round difference and comparatively to the other sites as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so then there's a handful of running backs
Speaker 2: and this is probably like your maybe yeah you RB
Speaker 2: three's maybe flexi type of guys. But you've got Jalen Warren,
Speaker 2: Remandra Stevenson, Rico Dowell, JK. Dobbins, R. J. Harvey, Kalmanoga,
Speaker 2: and Blake Korum. The overalls are minimum around higher of
Speaker 2: what ECR has them from where they're placed out Warren, Stevenson, Dowdell.
Speaker 2: I guess all. I didn't realize all these guys are
Speaker 2: top one hundred ECR, but Dobbins, Harvey, Manongay Quorum are
Speaker 2: outside the top one hundred overall on their board. So
Speaker 2: those guys are gonna kind of hang a little bit lower,
Speaker 2: hang a little bit lower. You gonna be able to
Speaker 2: maybe get a little sneaky sneak if.
Speaker 1: I mean, what else he's gonna love this? Look at
Speaker 1: how cheap Stevenson is.
Speaker 2: Steven's very cheap. I might have a share there. I
Speaker 2: don't mind Doubtel in Pittsburgh and on how you feel
Speaker 2: about that. I'm a JK. Dobbins drafter and I like Korum.
Speaker 2: I'm not specifically, I don't really clear.
Speaker 1: You actually kind of would like to draft on ESPN
Speaker 1: no sarcasm. Yeah, I think you would like to draft
Speaker 1: on esp I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Play on there. I'm not gonna go open the app.
Speaker 2: That'll be my problem draft. Yeah, yeah, the boards would
Speaker 2: work well for me. So anybody anything on those running
Speaker 2: backs there that stand out to you. I mean, the
Speaker 2: guys like Dabel and Warren are like almost next to
Speaker 2: each other, as are Dobbins at Harvey. Sometimes that's a
Speaker 2: little lazy.
Speaker 1: We'll get into it in a more overarching sense of
Speaker 1: ESPN in a little bit, but I feel like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of it's just no rhyme or reason, right, Okay.
Speaker 2: So that's I guess it's gonna be built around the
Speaker 2: negatives and I all right, So other deals Tucker Craft, dramatic, dramatic,
Speaker 2: as we mentioned, Chris Godwin, Quinn Johnston, huge deals on
Speaker 2: ESPN versus other sites, and just ECR, Jared Goff, Baker, Mayfield, Tyrone,
Speaker 2: Tracy Tyler, Algier, Briton, Strange, Ward and Stroud. What's interesting about.
Speaker 1: That Strange and Ward, by the way, fifty spots off
Speaker 1: their ECR.
Speaker 2: That's huge. Probably works out well for superflex if you
Speaker 2: play on ESPN. There are these are players that are
Speaker 2: not inside the top two hundred of ESPN that are
Speaker 2: on ECR. So I'm going to just rattle through these names.
Speaker 2: There's some significant ones in here, at least for your
Speaker 2: bench construction. Dylan Samson not top two hundred, Sam Darnold,
Speaker 2: same Arondi, Gadsten, Chicka Conkquo, Jonah Coleman, Bryce Dalton Schultz,
Speaker 2: Trey Harris, and Ryan Florina. All of those players are
Speaker 2: outside the top two hundred. So if you are cheat
Speaker 2: cheating it, or as I mentioned before, if you've got
Speaker 2: something like draft assistant in draft assistant is going to
Speaker 2: be screaming at you compared to the board if people
Speaker 2: are not scrolling, because ECR is going to have a
Speaker 2: guy like Chicka con Quo at one fifty three or
Speaker 2: Dylan Sam's at one two, and if you're pushing down
Speaker 2: the board, it's going to be screaming what a deal
Speaker 2: this is versus how these boards are drafting out now.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean they're going to be the greatest deals
Speaker 2: on the planet, but they're buried and people are gonna
Speaker 2: forget about guys like a conco I know, you like
Speaker 2: Jonah Coleman and stuff like that. I like that Laiden
Speaker 2: drafts as well.
Speaker 1: I mean, just like we said before, just know the names, right,
Speaker 1: if you look at the sheet, you know the names.
Speaker 1: Go through for yourself. You know, you can go in
Speaker 1: a mock draft. If you're playing in a PPR league
Speaker 1: or a standard league, go into a mock draft. Click
Speaker 1: on that. Uh it says adjust pre rankings click on
Speaker 1: that and you can see where everybody's ranked, so you
Speaker 1: can see if there's a name that jumps out to you.
Speaker 1: If you're drafting on ESPN, it's a good strategy even
Speaker 1: if you're not looking, uh you know at certain sheets
Speaker 1: that Reddit has, we have, or whoever has, so uh,
Speaker 1: just know where some of these deals can be found.
Speaker 1: Jonah Coleman is beyond the top two hundred. That is
Speaker 1: absolutely outstanding.
Speaker 2: Love that now what you were talking about probably more
Speaker 2: of the trend here is ESPN you are going to
Speaker 2: be paying up for. Definitely there's a young guy thing
Speaker 2: in here, but there is the higher end running back
Speaker 2: and then the mid tier wide receiver. There's a big group,
Speaker 2: so the running backs will stop there. Jeremiah Love, as
Speaker 2: mentioned before, the biggest problem of all the things we
Speaker 2: could point out across the board, if you want to
Speaker 2: look at what what are you getting out of this
Speaker 2: episode is ESPN's Jeremiah Love thing is crazy. It's really
Speaker 2: high up there, and it is.
Speaker 1: After Kraft thing one works for you, one works well for.
Speaker 2: You, good point, and it is going to come to
Speaker 2: head here as Jeremiah Love is just naturally going to
Speaker 2: fall a little bit with all the negative stuff, but
Speaker 2: the twelve what which what I think is unique about
Speaker 2: that Jeremiah Love is going to continuously not be a
Speaker 2: deal if he's going to stay up on the top
Speaker 2: end of your board the whole time, and someone's gonna
Speaker 2: finally click it way earlier than other sides. But you
Speaker 2: have Jeremiah Love ECR is thirty three, ESPN IS twelve,
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs thirty five, ECR ESPN is twenty one, Breese
Speaker 2: Hall thirty seven, ECR ESPN twenty three, quinch On Jutkins
Speaker 2: a full round fifty three to forty and Bucky Irving
Speaker 2: fifty four to forty one. So a couple names we
Speaker 2: hadn't talked about. A couple of names we have talked
Speaker 2: about five running backs significant running backs because these are
Speaker 2: all safely RB twos. So it is like half of
Speaker 2: the RB twos are more expensive on ESPN than really
Speaker 2: any other place.
Speaker 1: Really strange too, that it's a chunk of rbs and
Speaker 1: a chunk of wide receivers and then a chunk of qbs.
Speaker 1: That is what I was more talking about in no
Speaker 1: rhyme or reason, and it goes beyond this. We'll get
Speaker 1: to it in the minute, But yeah, these running backs, Like,
Speaker 1: for what reason are these guys? What is the similarity
Speaker 1: between these guys that makes them around more expensive?
Speaker 2: You know, it's really interesting. I was about to say, Oh,
Speaker 2: maybe it's like a touchdown no reception.
Speaker 1: Versus four of them catch passes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that it didn't make sense. I think it's
Speaker 2: it Breece Hall Judkins are sitting next to each other,
Speaker 2: and Judkins doesn't catch passes, and all Breeze Hall does
Speaker 2: is catch passes. So yeah, I'm not sure what the outside.
Speaker 1: Of just I'd say love Jacob's, Hall and Bucky all
Speaker 1: catch passes, I know, but.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, like, I can't say, it's what are they
Speaker 2: all catch passes? Don't because Judkins at Hall are literally
Speaker 2: the representation of the opposite of each other, which is
Speaker 2: so stupid. It just got to be built around their projections,
Speaker 2: you know, And I don't know what that is. Maybe
Speaker 2: it can be Judkins doesn't catch passes, Brice Hall's in
Speaker 2: a three back system, Bucky Irving was hurt, Josh Jacobs
Speaker 2: had the potential suspension and whatever. But they're all high.
Speaker 2: That would be the opposite, but put them back, so
Speaker 2: you don't know the hell it is either. So that's weird.
Speaker 2: The wide receivers you mentioned, Yeah, there's a couple of rookies,
Speaker 2: and then there's like what you got, Carnel Tate, who
Speaker 2: is twenty picks higher than ECR on ESPN, Courtland Sutton,
Speaker 2: Michael Pittman, then Jordan Tyson, Matthew Golden, and Jacoby Myers.
Speaker 2: I'll also just throw in mckaye leman of course again,
Speaker 2: and then Travis Hunter shows up seventy picks higher inside
Speaker 2: the top one hundred on ESPN. So that is a
Speaker 2: really weird grouping of wide receivers that for better for worse.
Speaker 2: If a few of them are your targets, ESPN's going
Speaker 2: to kind of screw you a little bit with how
Speaker 2: higher they go, and you're just gonna have to put
Speaker 2: them on notice. You know, Cortland Sutton might not mean
Speaker 2: anything to you, but if you're like excited to get
Speaker 2: at Jordan Tyson, okay, well he's almost twenty spots higher
Speaker 2: from an overall than what ECR is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think there's many more interesting expensive
Speaker 1: players for ESPN, So I just kind of want to
Speaker 1: make my point real quick. Well, scroll down to uh
Speaker 1: just the regular deals. And look, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: running backs and wide receivers. Yeah, in here, it's.
Speaker 2: A means is they're just they're less than around exactly,
Speaker 2: but not a full round.
Speaker 1: So but but it's a rainbow flop almost of each
Speaker 1: type of player. And then you go down and you
Speaker 1: look at which ones are more expensive. It's more running
Speaker 1: backs are more expensive like every side, but there's tons
Speaker 1: of wide receivers in here as well. So it's just
Speaker 1: different in the ESPN where you can see the clear
Speaker 1: delineation in Sleeper and Yahoo where running backs are just
Speaker 1: more expensive comparative to ECR and comparative to ESPN on
Speaker 1: those sites, you know, And in ESPN it's like it's
Speaker 1: kind of just no real rhyme or reason. It's some
Speaker 1: wide receivers are cheaper, some running backs are cheaper in
Speaker 1: half and half. So ESPN is more way, still way
Speaker 1: more of the Wild West within their rankings than the
Speaker 1: other sites are. And that's noted by Jeremiah Love being
Speaker 1: the biggest ripoff and Tucker Craft being the biggest deal
Speaker 1: of all of the ones that we'll talk about today.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a good way to end
Speaker 2: it here. Lots of different stuff from the granular sleeper, Yahoo,
Speaker 2: ESPN to the overall of looking at all the sites
Speaker 2: versus ECR for you know, again, for better for worse.
Speaker 2: However you view consensus ranks, it may not mean anything
Speaker 2: to you, but you know again, what school about this
Speaker 2: sheet is that overall value sheet will tell you the
Speaker 2: story where you might not necessarily care about ECR, but
Speaker 2: you will start to see like, oh hey, look Zay
Speaker 2: Flowers on Sleeper is the biggest deal Romandre Stevenson ESPN
Speaker 2: biggest deal? Or brace Hall. Guess that's what the most
Speaker 2: expensive site ESPN over any not just ECR, but versus
Speaker 2: any other sites. You can see them versus all the
Speaker 2: sites versus ECR, and you know, you can kind of
Speaker 2: rehash it in the conversation. So that's ranks analysis that
Speaker 2: gives you kind of an overarching view of what you're
Speaker 2: going to be in store for for those sites. I
Speaker 2: will also say, you know, you might not be someone
Speaker 2: that has ever necessarily cared about ECR and you don't
Speaker 2: pay attention to those things, so that's okay too. You
Speaker 2: can kind of bear through these sheets and it gives
Speaker 2: you an understanding of what your site is in we
Speaker 2: are people that a we work for Fantasy Pros. So
Speaker 2: ECR has been a part of our life. But guess
Speaker 2: what it was We did ECR and paid attention to
Speaker 2: ECR well before we ever did a lick of anything
Speaker 2: with Fantasy Pros. And we've also also played on a
Speaker 2: multitude of sites. We play on like fan tracks, which
Speaker 2: we didn't talk about in this episode. MFL. We used
Speaker 2: to play on Yahoo. I would tell you used to
Speaker 2: be always the dominant one. I think Sleeper's kind of
Speaker 2: taking that over and a lot of what we do,
Speaker 2: but we play the I think we do the well, No,
Speaker 2: the Pentathlon we do oaths on Yahoo. It is on Yahoo. Yah,
Speaker 2: So Pentathlon's on Yahoo. But like you know, flex League
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Speaker 2: I think the Fantasy Pros ones we do on ESPN,
Speaker 2: I think or no, we did on Sleeper last year.
Speaker 2: But I end up having a league on like every
Speaker 2: single site. So I like to know the information about
Speaker 2: the sites, and I care about the expert consensus ranks
Speaker 2: from an understanding standpoint, that's a you could do a
Speaker 2: whole show on you know there. We've worked with people
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