1 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,679 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Next Level Soul podcast, where we ask 2 00:00:05,719 --> 00:00:09,240 the big questions about life. Why are we here? Is 3 00:00:09,279 --> 00:00:13,439 this all? There? Is? What is my soul's mission? We 4 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,039 attempt to answer those questions and more by bringing you 5 00:00:16,199 --> 00:00:19,879 raw and inspiring conversations with some of the most fascinating 6 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,399 and thought provoking guests on the planet. Today, I am 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:29,519 your host, Alex Ferrari. 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The views and opinions expressed in this 23 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:30,359 podcast are those of the guests and do not necessarily 24 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,519 reflect the views or positions of this show, its host, 25 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,840 or any of the companies they represent. Now, guys, today 26 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,640 we welcome back one of my favorite guests and honestly 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,840 one of my favorite people in the world, Sean Leonard, 28 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:49,000 who is an indigenous psychic and his lovely, amazing show 29 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,959 Spirit Talker, is also on Next Level Soul TV. If 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,239 you haven't had a chance to watch it, it is 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:57,120 pretty transformative, to say the least, and we are working 32 00:01:57,159 --> 00:02:01,719 on getting season two of Spirit talk on soon as well. 33 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,840 In this conversation, we talk about something I've never talked 34 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,919 about on the show, which is totem animals, totem animal spirits, 35 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,120 how you can connect to the energy of your totem 36 00:02:12,199 --> 00:02:15,759 animal spirits, and much much more. This is I just 37 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:20,520 love this conversation, guys, so let's dive in. I like 38 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,800 to welcome back to the show returning champion Sean Leonard. Man. 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:24,639 How you doing, Sean, Oh? 40 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: It's so awesome, Alex So. I think it's super cool 41 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:28,159 to be a returning a chair. 42 00:02:30,479 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming back now. 43 00:02:32,199 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: I absolutely love you. I love your show, I love 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,919 your your audience. I love everybody that's on his guests. 45 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:39,319 So I feel very honored and privileged to be back here. 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,479 Speaker 1: You've made the trip from the Great White North, Sir. 47 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 2: So white right now still, thankfully. But the leaves are 48 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:47,240 getting different colors right now. 49 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 1: But when you walked out here, you're like, oh, it's hot, 50 00:02:51,479 --> 00:02:55,599 it's a little little crispy out here. Is that the 51 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:00,120 devil just exactly? But well, first of all, the thank 52 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,360 you for being part of this Oul Mastery summit. We 53 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,000 had your your sessions one like one of the favorites. 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:08,319 People loved your sessions because you were just telling story 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,080 after story after story and it was just such beauty. 56 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:14,800 And I sat there like this, just sat there. 57 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 2: Tell me, Sean, so I have that natural ability of talking. 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,680 You are a storytelling It could be a curse to 59 00:03:22,719 --> 00:03:23,120 my wife. 60 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: But other than that, brother from another talker to a 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:29,439 talker to another talker, my wife is also the same, like, okay, 62 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,960 can we this is a lot. 63 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: I'm like Michelle, are you still listening to me? 64 00:03:35,319 --> 00:03:39,479 Speaker 1: I stopped fifteen years ago. So we have a new 65 00:03:39,479 --> 00:03:41,680 book coming out and we're going to talk. I've never 66 00:03:41,719 --> 00:03:44,599 had this conversation on the show, which is exciting for me. 67 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,439 You have a book called Walking with Your Spirit Totem Animals, 68 00:03:48,479 --> 00:03:52,479 Discovering the Four Animals that guide you through life. So 69 00:03:52,599 --> 00:03:55,759 I've heard of obviously totems. You know, even the American 70 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,199 Indians have those total totals. Yeah, total polls right in 71 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:03,800 a different totem. And you know, every major sports franchise 72 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,199 has a totem. Many of them are animal totems, you know, 73 00:04:07,319 --> 00:04:10,560 like the cougars, the jaguars, the dolphins. I'm very sad. 74 00:04:10,919 --> 00:04:14,319 I'm a Dolphins fan. Uh, it's been sad since the 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,319 j is just one the other day. They look at that, 76 00:04:16,959 --> 00:04:21,160 you know, the fierce blue jays. That's the fierce attacking 77 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:24,600 flue jays. But so, explain to me what is a 78 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,879 spirit tote of animal? What what do you mean by 79 00:04:26,959 --> 00:04:30,360 like connecting to your specific animal. Because from our from 80 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:32,720 the Latino culture, and this is more Mexican than Cuban, 81 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:36,319 but we have if you saw Coco, uh, the Coco 82 00:04:36,399 --> 00:04:38,120 move the movie Coco about the Day of the Dead. 83 00:04:38,759 --> 00:04:42,360 There are spirit animals, there's in the in the Mexican 84 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,319 culture who on the other side are protectors of you 85 00:04:45,399 --> 00:04:48,480 and and guide you and help you along the way. 86 00:04:48,519 --> 00:04:51,600 So in the Latino culture, we are aware of these 87 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,360 kind of things as well. So I'm somewhat familiar with, 88 00:04:54,439 --> 00:04:56,959 like you know, a totem animal or an animal that 89 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,839 helps you or guide you through the side. But we're look, 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,360 tell me, tell me, sir. 91 00:05:01,240 --> 00:05:04,439 Speaker 2: Explain to me what this is. Well, in indigenous culture, 92 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,439 you know, we're we have a deep relationship and connection 93 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,839 to the animal nation. And it's not just indigenous people obviously, 94 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,360 what you're saying is the Mexican people and Egyptian people, 95 00:05:15,639 --> 00:05:18,959 you know, the Pagans, the Celtics. You know, there's so 96 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,800 many across cultural people to Hindu people especially too. Yeah, 97 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,399 you know, I mean so pre Christianity, pre like kind 98 00:05:26,439 --> 00:05:29,639 of new thought of what we thought was new thought 99 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,759 two thousand years ago, which an assented master came and 100 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,040 we kind of like started to kind of driven out 101 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,360 all other kind of ideals, especially within Turtle Island or 102 00:05:37,439 --> 00:05:40,800 North America, that even indigenous people kind of lost our 103 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,600 connection to the understanding of the animal nation, and it's 104 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,519 really I feel coming back and I think we, you know, 105 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,920 we can't walk through life and harmony without with the animalation. 106 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,399 Mane of us have pets, or many of us received 107 00:05:54,399 --> 00:05:57,600 signs of messages from the spirit world from animals as well, 108 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:01,120 or insect nation, or you know, ocean and our creatures, 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,079 et cetera, animals of the air, and I feel like 110 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,920 that they carry messages for us. And you know, growing up, 111 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,879 I'm from the bear nation. I'm MIGM from Nova Scotia, Canada. 112 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:14,639 Speaker 1: So the MGM is a bear is their totem? 113 00:06:14,759 --> 00:06:18,759 Speaker 2: No, there's different totems in relation to you know that 114 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,040 we have what's the word I'm looking for? But we 115 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,360 were the clans, okay, So the bear clan, the bear clan, 116 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,439 there's the Eagle clan, the Caribou clan, the beaver clan, 117 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:29,839 et cetera. 118 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:30,519 Speaker 1: Blue j clan. 119 00:06:31,439 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't know how many blue jay clans, but it 120 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:34,040 sounds like a pretty. 121 00:06:33,759 --> 00:06:35,079 Speaker 1: Cool one in Toronto, I think. 122 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:39,519 Speaker 2: But the clan system was predominantly set up in indigenous 123 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,639 people too, because we didn't have last names, okay, So 124 00:06:43,759 --> 00:06:47,959 to genetically have a strong tribe, you didn't marry people. 125 00:06:47,959 --> 00:06:49,600 If you were from the Bear clan, you didn't marry 126 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:50,680 people within the Bear clan. 127 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: Oh, so you you actually were. You were actually not forced, 128 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,800 but you were like encouraged to marry it. 129 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:57,959 Speaker 2: Outside side of your clan. 130 00:06:58,199 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: That's a good sign. That's it is. You don't needed 131 00:07:00,399 --> 00:07:01,319 a bunch of inbred bears. 132 00:07:01,399 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 2: So we know, right, so right, that's why it was 133 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,680 so important to connect with other cultures, other indigenous people. 134 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:09,680 And that's why sometimes there was trades within communities that 135 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,240 had different clan systems so that we would be healthy 136 00:07:13,279 --> 00:07:16,720 and well and something we would have known throughout the ages. 137 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: So that's very interesting. So even at the and this 138 00:07:18,959 --> 00:07:22,120 is we're going back hundreds of thousands of years of 139 00:07:22,519 --> 00:07:26,199 this kind of stuff, they knew that we can't marry 140 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:30,959 within this gene pool. We need to strengthen our immunity 141 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,600 in our lives. We need to kind of mix with 142 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:35,720 other cultures. 143 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 2: With other cultures and societies of indigenous. 144 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,079 Speaker 1: So they knew that at a base level. They did. 145 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:42,160 At a base level. They're like, no, we're Bear clan. 146 00:07:42,199 --> 00:07:43,600 We only with Bear clan. 147 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 2: No, No, we beautiful for being from the Bear clan. 148 00:07:47,319 --> 00:07:50,360 Even though growing up and knowing this because I was 149 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,879 taught this by the chief of Mabugak First Nation, which 150 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,560 is the nation which I'm from or connected to that. 151 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,399 I never really never had any strong connection to the 152 00:08:00,439 --> 00:08:04,079 animal nation as I was young, because I mean, again, 153 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:07,839 you know, indigenous people have lost their culture predominantly because 154 00:08:07,879 --> 00:08:11,079 of like colonization and residential schools and all these things, 155 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,959 which is kind of been stripped from us of our understanding, 156 00:08:13,959 --> 00:08:16,240 our ideals that elders have been passed out to us. 157 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,720 So we're remembering, we are relearning some of these concepts. 158 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:22,879 In a sense, there's elders that would be able to 159 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,160 pass these things down, but there are a few. And 160 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,879 so for me, particularly and predominantly, it wasn't you know, 161 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:33,000 growing up, I had an immense connection to the animal nation. 162 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:37,080 And and you know I used to have a pet raccoon, 163 00:08:37,159 --> 00:08:40,879 a pet crow. I'd saved a few other birds in 164 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,159 my time, and I had cats and dogs and you 165 00:08:43,279 --> 00:08:45,759 have what you call like animal fur family, you know, 166 00:08:46,159 --> 00:08:48,320 so I felt very strong and we do today, right, 167 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,480 And you know, even back to Egyptian times, you know 168 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:54,120 they had you know, they revered their cats and their 169 00:08:54,159 --> 00:08:56,559 connection to cats, right, and they were even buried with 170 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:57,080 their cats. 171 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, poor cats. 172 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 2: Right, hopefully they finished. 173 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: Hopefully they finished it, like oh he's that damn it. 174 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:04,320 I gotta go too. 175 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:08,559 Speaker 2: But you know, our ancestors are helping us remember our 176 00:09:08,879 --> 00:09:12,759 cross cultural connection with the animal nation and how it's 177 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:15,679 kind of like appeared to me in a sense, even 178 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,000 though I'm an indigenous person, was through dreams. 179 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,360 Speaker 1: As I was thinking, as you're talking, I was thinking, 180 00:09:20,360 --> 00:09:23,000 I'm like, every culture has this. I mean Africa, for 181 00:09:23,039 --> 00:09:28,559 God's sakes, Africa and in Australia with the Aboriginine. It's 182 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:33,840 a very kind of not primitive but base thing of 183 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,960 we had a deeper connection with the animal nation in 184 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,879 our past, and we've kind of lost that as we've 185 00:09:38,879 --> 00:09:41,320 gotten more intellectual or more this and more that we've 186 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:43,759 lost the feeling of it. But now people are it's 187 00:09:43,799 --> 00:09:45,360 kind of like we've gone over the hill a little 188 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,840 bit and now we're like, no, no, this religion thing's 189 00:09:47,919 --> 00:09:49,840 not really working out for us. Let's start going back 190 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:53,200 to things that we're pagan or things like that and 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:57,200 connecting with your animal, your animal partner and things like that. 192 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 2: I think that you know, even in Christianity, you think 193 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:03,320 about it, you know, they have spiritual beings have not 194 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:07,000 ever lived a life on Earth, and angels that are 195 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,559 across kind of human nation and the bird nation. 196 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the way it's depicted yet, yeah, it's depicted 197 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:12,799 that way. 198 00:10:12,799 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 2: Do they appear that way to all people all the time, No, 199 00:10:15,159 --> 00:10:19,720 they don't. I've I've met angels myself, and that's right, 200 00:10:19,759 --> 00:10:21,120 and they appear to people differently. 201 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: Absolutely, We'll be right back after a word from our 202 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:30,639 sponsor and now back to the show. 203 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:35,759 Speaker 2: And I don't think they necessarily need to appear as 204 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:37,399 a winged with. 205 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 1: A flaming sword. 206 00:10:41,039 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: Have I seen an angel like that? Yeah, I recently 207 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,120 have had that experience. I have a course called Spirit 208 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,039 Talker Tribe, and at the end of the year we 209 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,600 have a gathering within the course. It's called Spirit Talker 210 00:10:51,639 --> 00:10:54,559 Tribe Live, and it's for all my students who come. 211 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,360 And there's a lady doing readings on my session named 212 00:10:57,360 --> 00:11:00,679 Lisa don Bryan, and she's a first year student. She's 213 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,919 really stepping into her abilities, and so I give people 214 00:11:03,919 --> 00:11:06,480 who really stepping into their abilities at the live session 215 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,279 if they would like to get up and do sessions. 216 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:11,919 She stood up on stage and she did session. She 217 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,559 did amazing I was so proud of her because I 218 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,840 was a big part of that development and unfoldment within her. 219 00:11:17,919 --> 00:11:20,240 So I'm really grateful. I feel like a proud daddy 220 00:11:20,279 --> 00:11:22,120 in a sense of like helping people become the people 221 00:11:22,159 --> 00:11:25,360 they need to be beautiful. And so as she was speaking, 222 00:11:25,399 --> 00:11:28,759 I saw something with her and it was psychically, not 223 00:11:28,799 --> 00:11:31,639 like physically, but you know, psychically through clairvoyance. I saw 224 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:35,879 this beautiful woman standing with her arms outstretched with like 225 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:40,960 feathers all beneath her arms. And I said that it 226 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,639 was so strange. I said, at least, I said, I 227 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,399 just saw this. She says, well, that was the lady 228 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,320 who came to me in my dear death experience. This 229 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:50,879 is the lady who brought me back to earth when 230 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:51,360 I died. 231 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 1: So it's an angel. 232 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:56,519 Speaker 2: It was an angel. Now in indigenous culture, like we 233 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,960 celebrate the connection, the cross culture connection between the end 234 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:03,120 animal nation in the human nation, and hence are pow wows. 235 00:12:03,279 --> 00:12:05,519 You may have heard of a power before. In Migmah, 236 00:12:05,519 --> 00:12:09,240 we call them mauiomi's, which is the gatherings. And as 237 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,639 we gather, then we may embody the prairie chicken or 238 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,960 the bear, or the wolf or the fox or even 239 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,360 the great Eagle. And there's different dances and ceremonies that 240 00:12:18,399 --> 00:12:20,120 we would do to kind of like represent that. 241 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: And in those ceremonies, are they about connecting or like 242 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,960 are you trying to connect with the spirit? Like what 243 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,360 does that mean exactly? There's a celebration when. 244 00:12:29,399 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 2: You're you're a spirit for a short time, and it 245 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,120 doesn't necessarily have to be your totem. It may be sure. 246 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,440 You know, maybe for myself, I would I would maybe 247 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,440 dress up as a bear or the eagle or et cetera, 248 00:12:39,519 --> 00:12:40,919 because those are some of my totems. 249 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:43,399 Speaker 1: I see that you have an eagle, Yeah, so are you? 250 00:12:43,639 --> 00:12:45,919 Is that because that's not your clan? Your clan's bear. No, 251 00:12:46,039 --> 00:12:49,080 so why do you wear the eagle? Out of curiosity? 252 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:52,279 Speaker 2: It's in the Seven Grandfather Teachings. One but my name 253 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:56,639 is while back gip aguda mahajic, jig mouhamajic in migmas. 254 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: Easy for you to say, just all gonna get test 255 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:02,679 you offter to see if you can say that. 256 00:13:02,919 --> 00:13:04,399 Speaker 2: I have hard enough time saying it, forgot. 257 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:04,879 Speaker 1: I don't. 258 00:13:04,919 --> 00:13:07,440 Speaker 2: I'm not good with names, Bob, So you know, white 259 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,679 eagle spirit talker, Okay, that is my translation. That's their 260 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,240 translation in English, which is my migma name in English 261 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,720 is White Egle Spirit Talker. So I carry eagle medicine now, 262 00:13:18,759 --> 00:13:22,000 mind you. Even though when the elder had gifted me 263 00:13:22,039 --> 00:13:24,960 the name, I had been finding eagle feathers everywhere. But 264 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:27,879 that summer I was in Newfoundland visiting some of my 265 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,639 relatives and close to the Mabuga First Nation, and I 266 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,799 was out on a few beaches and I found three 267 00:13:33,879 --> 00:13:36,480 white tail feathers from an eagle. 268 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,080 Speaker 1: Wow. 269 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: I didn't tell the elder, and then I come home 270 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,159 and I thought it was very kind of significant that 271 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,080 I would find three white tail feathers. And then when 272 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,519 he went into trance and then you know he was 273 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:49,840 gifting me my name through ceremony, he kind of goes 274 00:13:49,879 --> 00:13:52,919 in into altra state of channelness of sorts, and then 275 00:13:52,919 --> 00:13:56,000 says you're to be known as w Back gooda magic jugumamagic, 276 00:13:56,039 --> 00:13:58,960 which is white Eagle Spirit Talker. And so then I 277 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,759 felt that the Eagle nation had been with me. And 278 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,320 it's the highest of all the seven Grandfather teachings, because 279 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:09,159 there's seven grandfather teachings number one, the Wolf Humility number two, 280 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,759 True Turtle number three bravery bear. I got them on 281 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:20,279 over here, so you just love, yes, Because I find 282 00:14:20,279 --> 00:14:23,320 when I'm on the spotlight sometimes I forget this right, 283 00:14:23,399 --> 00:14:27,480 So I'd rather not forget this. This is pretty important. Respect. Buffalo, 284 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:31,320 Wisdom Beaver and salbe are bigfoot, which is honesty, you. 285 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: Say, bigfoot. Yeah, okay, we'll talk about that. 286 00:14:33,759 --> 00:14:36,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, that's that's the one that everybody's going 287 00:14:36,679 --> 00:14:39,240 to be interested in. But love is kind of the 288 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:42,559 foundation of the sound seven Grandfathers teachings, which is what 289 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,399 Eagle embodies. So how I approach my work as a 290 00:14:46,399 --> 00:14:50,200 spirit talker, you know, and a psychic medium, as some 291 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,399 people may know, I'm an Indigenous psychic medium. That love 292 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,679 is how I approach all my work, how I approach spirit, 293 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:58,519 how I approach the ancestors, and that's how they approach 294 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,080 me and respect me and will return. So it's a 295 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,360 medicine that I carry. It's within my name, and that's 296 00:15:04,399 --> 00:15:08,480 why on the egle that they have the heart. Now 297 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,039 there's also on the eagle you may see some strawberries, 298 00:15:11,759 --> 00:15:15,240 you know, and strawberries in Indigenous culture represents a heart medicine. 299 00:15:15,679 --> 00:15:18,279 So it's medicine that different plants can help us within life, 300 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,879 and it's good medicine for your heart and to walk 301 00:15:20,879 --> 00:15:23,159 through life. It's even in the shape of your heart 302 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,399 if you think about it, of course, So like. 303 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,919 Speaker 1: The walnut is in the shape of your brain, right, absolutely, 304 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,200 your brain, right, Kylie flower right looks broccoli. Those have 305 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:35,080 kind of brain as esque. They're good for your brain. 306 00:15:35,679 --> 00:15:38,279 It's awesome, it's pretty amazing. It's nature is amazing. 307 00:15:38,399 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: Absolutely. So love flies, you know, or the eagle and 308 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:46,240 the medicine of unconditional love that it carries, why we 309 00:15:46,279 --> 00:15:49,039 see it that way, and the condor for southern Southern 310 00:15:49,200 --> 00:15:52,120 America Native American people would be very similar as the 311 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,879 eagle nation. But the eagle flies higher than all the 312 00:15:54,879 --> 00:15:57,919 other birds closer to what we say is gazulk or 313 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:01,360 Grandfather's son or nis gum, which is Grandfather's son in 314 00:16:01,399 --> 00:16:03,879 the sky, which we feel and see as the first 315 00:16:03,879 --> 00:16:07,360 physical emanation of light within our solar system. But we're 316 00:16:07,399 --> 00:16:10,080 all star people. We're all made from the stars. We're stardust, 317 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:12,679 so we see that when we that's why we're all 318 00:16:12,759 --> 00:16:18,639 drawing kind of unconsciously to sunsets or to the sunrise, 319 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,159 and you know, just standing in the sun and feeling it. 320 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 There's just this kind of like unconditional love that comes 321 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,240 from the Sun itself. It doesn't like Seawan, you know, 322 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,720 Sean only on Seawan or Sean. 323 00:16:31,039 --> 00:16:32,799 Speaker 1: There might be a Sean out there who believes that 324 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:34,360 the Sun is only friend exactly. 325 00:16:35,120 --> 00:16:38,679 Speaker 2: It shines upon everyone unconditionally. So that's that kind of 326 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:42,360 like representation of the heart of our solar system and 327 00:16:43,039 --> 00:16:46,679 that first light. As the egle flies higher, that eagle 328 00:16:46,799 --> 00:16:49,559 receives first and it can fly above all the storms, 329 00:16:49,559 --> 00:16:52,799 it can see from higher perspectives in the world and 330 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,399 see the world as a much greater space of being 331 00:16:55,519 --> 00:16:58,759 as opposed to its own personal experience. So that's why 332 00:16:58,799 --> 00:17:03,000 we connect that medicine, that spiritual medicine to the ego itself. 333 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: Does that makes sense, That makes that makes perfect sense. 334 00:17:05,799 --> 00:17:09,720 So okay, so you're you're can this is? I find 335 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,359 this so fascinating. One thing I've noticed that I've kind 336 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,240 of seen over the years is indigenous people from around 337 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:21,640 the world. They have much greater respect for animal life, yes, 338 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,000 and for plant life and for Mother Earth and all 339 00:17:25,039 --> 00:17:28,200 of that. I'll never forget. I'd love The Last of 340 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:32,039 the Mohicans. That movie was beautiful in the beginning opening scene, 341 00:17:32,039 --> 00:17:33,119 do you remember Last Mohicans? 342 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 2: I don't actual funny that you mentioned this because is 343 00:17:36,039 --> 00:17:40,039 so strangely because for whatever reason, on my Facebook one 344 00:17:40,079 --> 00:17:42,279 of the little algorithms of videos that the Last of 345 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:44,440 the Mohicans showed up. But it was the last battle, 346 00:17:44,519 --> 00:17:45,880 not the beginning, unfortunately. 347 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,519 Speaker 1: So the beginning of that movie is a hunt and 348 00:17:49,559 --> 00:17:51,960 when they are chasing a deer and they're trying to 349 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:53,480 and they're trying to kill it, and then when they 350 00:17:53,519 --> 00:17:56,240 finally get it, they go down and they pray around it, 351 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,519 saying thank you for giving your life to feed us 352 00:17:58,559 --> 00:18:03,160 and so on. That is a very kind of and 353 00:18:03,279 --> 00:18:04,640 when I say primitive, I don't mean that in a 354 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,519 negative way, just kind of like a base, base level 355 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:12,400 idea almost just like it's just what it is. It's 356 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,799 the right thing to do. We've lost that, We've had 357 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:19,640 a very big disconnect with our food and an animal 358 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:21,960 in the animal kingdom, though, I think you're right there 359 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:22,960 is starting to make a. 360 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 2: We're starting to be more conscious of that. We're starting 361 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,839 to be more conscious we have to be. I mean, 362 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:30,720 have you heard of the White Buffalo calf woman prophecy? 363 00:18:31,279 --> 00:18:31,519 Speaker 1: No? 364 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 2: Okay, well, the White Buffalo calf woman was a Senate 365 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:41,279 master Okay that had visited the Lakota and Dakota people 366 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,200 way back in the day. And she had come and 367 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:47,920 brought a pipe and helped the indigenous people who lost 368 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,359 their understanding of what their culture and their ceremonies were. 369 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,839 So she brought the sacred pipe, which is just a 370 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:57,880 tool for prayer and connection and remembering the connection of 371 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,279 all things. So she taught them things and then she 372 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,480 passed away. But before she passed away, she kind of 373 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:07,680 disappeared from my understanding as some ascent amassadors do. That 374 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:09,839 she said, I will come back, but when I do 375 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:14,000 come back, I'll come back with the message about I'll 376 00:19:14,039 --> 00:19:17,039 come back as the white Buffalo. So the white Buffalo 377 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:21,960 represents this kind of like pay attention again to the 378 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,279 balance of nature and all things within the world. And 379 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,519 I know that you have Spirit Talker show. 380 00:19:28,599 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: Yes, we have Spirit talk one on Next Levels TV 381 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,359 on Next Level sol t very popular, people who love it. 382 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:34,640 People love it which. 383 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 2: Is on there and season one and we're working on 384 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:41,000 season two and season three. Now, yeah, absolutely, But you know, 385 00:19:41,599 --> 00:19:45,160 in season four, I went to Sue Valley Decoda Nation, 386 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,839 and you know, way back when I first started to 387 00:19:48,839 --> 00:19:53,079 get reconnected to my culture, I met this man Andre Chevrolet, 388 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:57,240 who is an algonquin medium, and he giveed me something 389 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,680 and it never really clicked to me until much later 390 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,880 in life. But he gifted me a little glass bead 391 00:20:02,079 --> 00:20:06,240 that had ashes of the white buffalo. And what's the 392 00:20:06,279 --> 00:20:08,880 significance of him gifted me that? And I kept it 393 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,720 and I never thought about it anymore. And then you're 394 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,079 filming season four of Spirit Talker and I'm in Sioux 395 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,720 Valley Deakoda Nation and they have sixteen white buffalo. 396 00:20:19,519 --> 00:20:22,039 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 397 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:26,920 And now back to the show. 398 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: They have heard of buffalo, and you know, in the 399 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:36,160 odds of a white buffalo coming into the world are significant, Like, 400 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,200 I don't know, it's like one to the millions. 401 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:41,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's some in Utah. Yeah. 402 00:20:41,759 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 2: But they started and the reason why they started to 403 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:47,119 become more apparent to us is because they're sending a 404 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,480 message from white buffalo calf woman about how we're to 405 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,240 remember the connection between us and all things in nature 406 00:20:54,759 --> 00:20:57,599 and within the animal nation itself, because if there's not balance, 407 00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,599 we won't be able to survive or live upon this 408 00:20:59,599 --> 00:21:02,119 earth for are super long time. Because that's why it's 409 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,559 so important that we keep in mind, you know, not 410 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:06,960 not allowing animals to go instinct, because there's like a 411 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,720 very delicate ecosystem within Mother Earth that we have to 412 00:21:10,759 --> 00:21:14,200 care for. And you know, if we don't become stewarts 413 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,119 of the land, stewarts of the animal nation, and the 414 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,480 Sioux Valley people are stewarts of the buffalo because they 415 00:21:20,519 --> 00:21:24,519 have given us life Indigenous people for so long. They 416 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,680 that they were caretakers to us. They provided food, stestenance, clothing, 417 00:21:30,039 --> 00:21:32,440 you know, things to wrap our tools, to wrap our 418 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,839 teepees and wigwams in that you know, now it's time 419 00:21:35,839 --> 00:21:39,079 for us to care for them. Does it mean that 420 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,720 we cannot harvest an animal from time to time? Yes, 421 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,440 I'm pretty sure they're not harvesting white buffalos. But because 422 00:21:45,559 --> 00:21:48,319 you would think I would, you would think they've never 423 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:48,759 mentioned that. 424 00:21:48,839 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: But here in America exactly one. 425 00:21:51,799 --> 00:21:56,599 Speaker 2: Canada a little bit different. But they, you know, and 426 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,799 I know they harvest an animal from time to time, 427 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,839 and but they they keep a healthy herd that is 428 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,920 strong and filling in the you know, in season four, 429 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,559 I got to meet Ey'd eye some of the white 430 00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:11,920 buffalow and it was profound. 431 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in Utah and I actually went to 432 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:18,640 see one, and they're pretty pretty amazing. Yeah, pretty amazing. 433 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:20,720 Speaker 2: And you know, one of the things that the elder 434 00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,759 had me do when I was there was tie a 435 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,839 tobacco prayer tie onto the fence where the buffalo were. 436 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,240 And when I stare it at the white buffalo, he 437 00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:33,839 stared me in the eye and it was almost like 438 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,400 he was downloading me with information, like he was telling 439 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,440 me his stories, telling me about his life and what 440 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,680 he represents within the world. And so I prayed. I 441 00:22:42,759 --> 00:22:45,680 tied my prayer tie to the fence and he and 442 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,680 he come and put his head on my tie, and 443 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,319 it was like he was hearing my words. And I 444 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,039 was praying for his people. I was praying for my 445 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,839 nation of people, their nation of people. I was praying 446 00:22:54,839 --> 00:22:58,480 for all people of the world to live life and 447 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:03,000 learn about balance and remembering who we are in that ecosystem. 448 00:23:03,279 --> 00:23:05,839 You know, we we and we think of and I 449 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,480 know just recently, which is sad, because just the other 450 00:23:08,559 --> 00:23:10,759 day I got a message from somebody that several spirits 451 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:12,920 animals don't have spirits. 452 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,400 Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, they animals will have souls. Yeah, anyone 453 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,680 who's ever looked into an eye of an animal exactly, 454 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:19,799 you can't tell me there's not. 455 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 2: They carry love, they carry so many conditions death. I mean, 456 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:26,920 we all are created from the same source, right, And 457 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,720 we have a word in Migma, which I in all 458 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,319 indigenous cultures we say sidnogama in migma. But it's all 459 00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,559 my relations and all of our ceremonies, our prayers are 460 00:23:35,559 --> 00:23:37,960 words that we speak. We end that way, we start 461 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:42,000 that way. It's because it's acknowledging the connection between Grandfather's son, 462 00:23:42,079 --> 00:23:45,720 Grandmother Moon, mother Earth, us, the seven directions, all the 463 00:23:45,799 --> 00:23:48,319 nations that walk upon Mother Earth or swim in the waters, 464 00:23:48,319 --> 00:23:52,119 that fly in the sky. And it's important to remember 465 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,599 that all of these things are important. They all have 466 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:58,440 a spirit. And you know, when Indigenous people do we 467 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:01,319 do our ceremonies, you know, we we we honor those directions. 468 00:24:02,279 --> 00:24:04,839 We we we start in Bingmall culture, we start on 469 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,640 the east where the sun rises, right that first light, 470 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,799 the first light, and then we go around and then 471 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:14,680 we honor Mother Earth, you know, Grandfather's son or Niskam, 472 00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:17,079 and and then we have to honor ourselves as well, 473 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:19,680 and that's one of those menut sinse that ego brings 474 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,039 to us because the heart is on the ego. And 475 00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:29,359 to be an effective healer, teacher, speaker, podcast person who's 476 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,519 out there, you know, spreading you know, wisdom and knowledge, 477 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,720 you have to love yourself too. And I think this 478 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:39,480 is where, unfortunately, maybe a lot of face and beliefs 479 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,160 have put God on a pedestal or you know, on 480 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,839 a throne and and and forgotten that God Creator is everywhere. 481 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,839 There's no place that the Creator is not right, and 482 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,440 that that delicate balance is deeply connected to us. And 483 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,160 I feel like the animals are reconnecting to us now 484 00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:01,880 to help us remember that. And cultures atre belief systems 485 00:25:02,519 --> 00:25:05,319 had that understanding knowledge, but it's been lost somewhat and 486 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,279 it's coming back again. And I think more people are 487 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:10,880 going to have dreams of animals. 488 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,799 Speaker 1: You mentioned in the book the four life. 489 00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: Stages, the four stages of life. 490 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: And yes, the four stages of life and how the 491 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,519 spirit animals evolve with us through those. 492 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, can you explain that? 493 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 3: Well? 494 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 2: I think you know, because I feel like we have 495 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,480 specific animals that are connected to us right from birth 496 00:25:28,799 --> 00:25:31,599 and we you know, according to the medicine wheel teachings, 497 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,000 because that's a big part of indigenous teachings is the 498 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,519 medicine wheel. You know, it starts in the eastern direction. 499 00:25:36,599 --> 00:25:38,720 There's four directions, but they also represent not just the 500 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:45,400 direction of the cardinal directions, but also stages of life infancy, youth, adulthood, 501 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,920 and elder stage of life. And for me, and this 502 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960 is where when this wisdom has come to me, I 503 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:52,720 feel like it's being given to me by the animals 504 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,279 and the ancestors. Is that was not taught to me 505 00:25:56,319 --> 00:25:59,640 by physical people. I know, I know, I know about 506 00:26:00,839 --> 00:26:03,720 you know, the the stages of life from the medicine wheel. 507 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,359 But what I didn't realize is that these animal medicines, 508 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,200 even though they may have been attached or connected to 509 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,279 me all my life, I become more aware of them 510 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:16,960 at different stages of my life. So as very early 511 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,920 on in my life, you know, the ego was obviously 512 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:23,079 very connected to me. It became my indigenous name. And 513 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,000 then and then I was gifted the medicine of the 514 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:30,759 white buffalo. I connected deeply to a polar bear. That 515 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,039 was very profound, and that is like so amazing and 516 00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,319 as of recently and I feel like because at the 517 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,079 different stages, I'm not an elder just yet, and and 518 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,720 that's something has to be bestowed upon you by somebody 519 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:46,799 within your community. That's not something I can just say 520 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:47,720 I'm an elder. 521 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 1: Right like being part of the Jedi Council, right, you 522 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,000 need you dor to go, you may join the council. 523 00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 2: So but recently I had the medicine of the owl 524 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:04,480 connect to me, and I know I'm moving into that 525 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:09,440 medicine because I'm fifty three and typically an indigenous culture, 526 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,799 you know, around fifty five or older, you could put 527 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:17,000 possibly potentially for be respected as an elder at that time. 528 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,279 Speaker 1: I mean, you do get a discoun at the movie 529 00:27:18,319 --> 00:27:22,200 theater exactly. So I'm just saying I'm almost there, sating 530 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,519 I'm a few more years. 531 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 2: But I feel like at different stages of my life, 532 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,880 I've noticed that at least four animals and I'm not 533 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,559 saying only four, but there's different animals that have come 534 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:36,680 to you at different stages of life. And I've become 535 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:37,680 more aware of that now. 536 00:27:37,759 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: But when you say polar bear, polar bear is not 537 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,839 part Is polar bear part of the culture in generally? 538 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:46,480 Do you see polar bear, like in your land where 539 00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:47,319 your tribe was. 540 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:50,759 Speaker 2: No no, Well, in Newfoundland, in northern newfoland sometimes on 541 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:53,720 the ice floe, polar bears to come over to the 542 00:27:53,799 --> 00:27:54,400 to the island. 543 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: So it's not like a completely no foreign animal it is. 544 00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: It's not like a typically known animal that would be 545 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480 connected to the indigenous people. But we would have known 546 00:28:02,519 --> 00:28:05,200 about them because they still come over every now and then. 547 00:28:05,319 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: I got kangaroo that you just I'm really associated with 548 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,759 the kangaroo. There's no kangaroos anywhere in wiscontinent. 549 00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:12,559 Speaker 2: Well, they come over on the ice right and then 550 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,519 the ice melts and they can't find their way back, 551 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,680 so sometimes they have to tranquilize them and bring them 552 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,680 back to like Labrador, which is another part of mainland Newfland, 553 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,720 because there's an island of Newfland, so up in the 554 00:28:22,759 --> 00:28:26,240 northern part of Grossmore and park and stuff, sometimes a 555 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,880 polar bear will show up in your backyard. 556 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,519 Speaker 1: That's not something you want. Out of all the bears, 557 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:33,680 they're the most vicious. They're the biggest and the strongest, 558 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,720 right like they are. They're like even even grizzlies are massive, 559 00:28:36,839 --> 00:28:38,480 but polar bears are no joke. 560 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 2: Just probably the largest land mammal I feel like in 561 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,559 regards to like the bear nation anyway for sure. 562 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: Either yeah, I mean obviously elephant, but it's a massive 563 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,079 yes to the manage. 564 00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 2: And so with the with the bear, I mean, I 565 00:28:52,039 --> 00:28:55,359 didn't know, although I've had many encounters for my life 566 00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,920 with bears, and some of them are pretty freaky. You know, 567 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,079 when I was young, you know, run into the woods 568 00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:03,519 with my with my dog, one of my fur family, right, 569 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:05,759 I didn't know there was a bear, and I was 570 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,240 I was going back there fishing, and then the dog 571 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:10,079 just took off in a bush beside me and out 572 00:29:10,119 --> 00:29:13,279 pounced this young black bear, a baby bear. It was 573 00:29:13,319 --> 00:29:14,519 a young It was a young black bear. 574 00:29:14,599 --> 00:29:16,799 Speaker 1: It wasn't baby bear because because if a baby bear, 575 00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,119 you know, moms around somewhere. 576 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 2: Well, hopefully my dog would have my back at that time. 577 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,839 But the bear just ran off. And there was another 578 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,480 time because way back you might not know this, but 579 00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:27,920 I used to have like an eight pack, used to 580 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:28,480 be really. 581 00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 1: In shave, sure we all did. 582 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 2: I used to be like really fit back in the day, 583 00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:36,440 just so you know. And I used to do these 584 00:29:36,519 --> 00:29:40,519 racing called adventure racing, and through the venture racing I 585 00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,079 did with the race that I did was called the 586 00:29:42,079 --> 00:29:45,240 Full Moon in June, and the Full Moon in June 587 00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:47,039 always took place on the full moon of June, of course, 588 00:29:47,039 --> 00:29:48,559 and it was like a three day race. It was 589 00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,599 a thirty six to forty two hour race. You did 590 00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:52,680 it with a team of four people and you have 591 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:54,720 to have one person of the opposite sex. And it 592 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,160 was through the mountains of al Burt and British Columbia. 593 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,039 Speaker 1: Stop and I'm exhausted. I'm exhausted, not just I'm like, oh, 594 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,160 oh no, please, I'm exhausted. 595 00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:06,559 Speaker 2: So anyway, on this race, I was always like the 596 00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,200 fast I was always the person that was orienteering and 597 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,920 I was always the fastest hiker. Hence I became a 598 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,839 mailman at one point in life because I walked very fast. 599 00:30:15,519 --> 00:30:17,839 And so anyway, I'm way ahead of my team and 600 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400 we're probably third in third place, and there's like forty 601 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,960 two teams and we walk into this clearing and in 602 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,680 the clearing there's there's no trees because all the trees 603 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,640 had burned down from a forest fires from previous years. 604 00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:35,039 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 605 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,119 and now back to the show. 606 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:43,920 Speaker 2: And we all hit headlamps on and I could see 607 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,000 half the distance my team, and beyond them there was 608 00:30:46,039 --> 00:30:48,039 another forty teams that were coming over the all right, 609 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,920 And so I see this red thing way up high, 610 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,279 like there's got to be a tree here, right, what 611 00:30:57,519 --> 00:31:00,559 could be read that high? And then there was another one, 612 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:02,480 and there was so far apart, and I'm like, there's 613 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,559 no way that's like that can't be an animal that 614 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,440 even if it was a bear, I mean I would 615 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,079 smell him or hear him. So I walk closer. I'm 616 00:31:10,079 --> 00:31:12,920 from here, you know, from from here, not probably from 617 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,880 here to the wall. And upsteps this grizzly bear. Oh, 618 00:31:17,079 --> 00:31:20,519 and I'm in a clearing with nowhere to go fast 619 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,079 and I didn't and they were, but he was, he 620 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,240 was sleeping. I think he get up on his hind 621 00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:26,799 legs to smell me because he could tell that I 622 00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:30,160 was coming. So anyway, I start waving my arms because 623 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,599 that's what you're supposed to arms, Walk backwards, be calm, 624 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,160 speak to him. So I'm like, I'm from the bar nation. 625 00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,920 I don't taste good, and he didn't seem that interested. 626 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: Right, And I'm. 627 00:31:42,759 --> 00:31:45,079 Speaker 2: Walking backwards and I tell my team to come up 628 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,559 and uh and it's like what I said, you guys 629 00:31:47,559 --> 00:31:49,839 better get here now. And one of the ladies was 630 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:51,599 supposed to have because there was one lady in her 631 00:31:51,599 --> 00:31:53,920 team who carried the bear spray, so I said, you 632 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,480 might want to whip that out and uh yeah, and 633 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:59,400 she goes, well, I didn't bring it because at our 634 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:01,680 last checks up they checked us if it was there, 635 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,599 and then I thought we would never need this. Here 636 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,759 we need it. And anyway, the bear starts walking towards 637 00:32:07,839 --> 00:32:12,200 us all and so we start singing because when the couple, 638 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,400 the lady and the other person we're in our team 639 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,119 were French. So we start singing Phaarah Jaka. I don't 640 00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,079 know if you know that name, Pharah Jaka. That's the 641 00:32:20,079 --> 00:32:21,160 only song we knew together. 642 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:23,839 Speaker 1: No no no, no, no no no no no. 643 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,079 Speaker 2: So the bear walks pass us and it was like 644 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,240 a moment that I'll never forget, and walk just. 645 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,359 Speaker 1: Walked right by. How big was he because there's the difference. 646 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 2: It was probably the biggest grizzly I've ever seen in 647 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:34,319 my life. 648 00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: We're on about ten to fifteen foot high. 649 00:32:36,359 --> 00:32:39,799 Speaker 2: Oh probably at least that Jesus, if you think about 650 00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:42,640 a sofa the length of a sofa and bigger around, 651 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,319 much bigger than a sofa, right, like just just massive 652 00:32:46,279 --> 00:32:49,000 and uh and he kind of hoffed and growled a bit, 653 00:32:49,079 --> 00:32:51,640 and it just was an interesting literally if you if 654 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,039 you can imagine this, like is it you know, was 655 00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:57,440 it Moses a part at the sea. Yes, well that's 656 00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,279 what it was like, the bear going through all the lights. 657 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,119 It was just like the all parting as he walked 658 00:33:01,119 --> 00:33:04,839 through the mall. But I had a moment and it 659 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,119 made me think, you know, things like this was in 660 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:08,920 an accident, you know, I keep running in the bears. 661 00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:12,319 It wasn't until I really had a profound dream though 662 00:33:12,359 --> 00:33:16,799 that really clicked with me. And in my dream, this 663 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:22,200 is probably about ten years or so ago, right, I 664 00:33:22,279 --> 00:33:24,559 was in a field very much like I saw the 665 00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:28,119 Grizzly And as I was walking through this field, I 666 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 saw seven shadows of people that were chasing me. And 667 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:32,960 I don't know why they were chasing me, but I 668 00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:33,680 knew they were going. 669 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: To do me some harm. 670 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,519 Speaker 2: So I started running and I could see the trees 671 00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,960 off in the distance, and I'm running as fast as 672 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,400 I can, right trying to get away from these shadows 673 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:44,839 who I don't know who they are, why they're they're 674 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,160 what they were trying to do. And then out of 675 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,319 the woods, which is odd because polar bears don't live 676 00:33:49,319 --> 00:33:49,799 in the woods. 677 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,039 Speaker 1: No, there are no woods where they created. 678 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:56,039 Speaker 2: Seven polar bears walk out of the forest. Interesting, and 679 00:33:56,079 --> 00:33:58,720 they start running towards me and the other shadow people. 680 00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,279 So I turned. I figured, well, you know what you 681 00:34:01,279 --> 00:34:03,319 got outrun. If you can outrun the other guys, they're 682 00:34:03,359 --> 00:34:04,960 going to get it. And I'm not. So I'm running 683 00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,119 for my dear life towards them now, and I knew 684 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,519 I couldn't outrun them. I realized I couldn't out run them, 685 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,079 so I surrendered. I got on my knees and I 686 00:34:14,119 --> 00:34:15,719 waited on the field and I kind of closed my 687 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:17,480 eyes in my dream and waited for them to eat me. 688 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,719 And all seven polar bears ran past me, and each 689 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,719 shadow that was in the field, the polar bear would 690 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,960 kind of pounce on and they would just disintegrate. And 691 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,840 then all seven polar bears turned around and walked into 692 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,440 one great bear and he looked me in the eyes, 693 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,239 and then I woke up. Oh my god, and I 694 00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:40,760 was like, this polar bear wasn't there to hurt me. 695 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,679 This polar bear was there to protect me. And I 696 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:45,800 realized that there was different types of totems, Like there 697 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,880 was a spirit animal totem like the eagle that guides 698 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,639 me in a spiritual way, but there's also power totem 699 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:53,480 animals that they're there to kind of help protect you 700 00:34:53,519 --> 00:34:54,960 when you're going to certain things. 701 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: Sean, let me ask you because this is fascinating to me. 702 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,039 All Right, So when you're saying you're connecting to the 703 00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,000 the power of the polar bear, let's use the polar 704 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,519 bear as an example. Is this on the other side, 705 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,440 because that's very mystical to me what this is. You know, 706 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:12,480 it's the idea of the power of the polar bear 707 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,519 that you're connecting, but you're connecting to something else, Like 708 00:35:15,599 --> 00:35:19,079 that's not a you're connecting to like almost like a 709 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,920 network or a source, the source of polar bear. So like, 710 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,320 let's say there's a soul of the polar bear, an oversoul, 711 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,159 the essence, the essence of polar bear is on the 712 00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,880 other side, and they're there to help humanity. Now that 713 00:35:35,119 --> 00:35:36,679 essence that I'm gonna call it the over soul for 714 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,840 lack of a better word. So the polar bear oversoul 715 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,559 that represents all polar bears around this world has his 716 00:35:42,679 --> 00:35:44,800 sparks all around and every time there's a polar bear, 717 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:46,920 it's part of mother polar bear. 718 00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 2: Right. 719 00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:53,159 Speaker 1: They also create I guess totems or that energy you 720 00:35:53,199 --> 00:35:56,280 can tap into because you're connected to them somehow. Does 721 00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:56,920 that makes sense? 722 00:35:57,039 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 2: Right? In Indigenous coach, we call it medicine. That like 723 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:03,800 the essence is the medicine that they embody right, that 724 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:07,000 they can help you or you can call upon if 725 00:36:07,079 --> 00:36:10,119 need be. So if you're facing certain situations, you may 726 00:36:10,199 --> 00:36:13,840 you may need to be brave, bravery to face challenge. 727 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,480 You could call upon the bar nation to kind of 728 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:17,159 help and guide you. 729 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: And when you say help and guide you, what does 730 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:20,280 that mean? 731 00:36:20,559 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 2: Well, the medicine because they're like polar bears predominantly if 732 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,440 you could think about, you know, the lives that they lived, 733 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:29,519 very remote, isolated locations through the harshest conditions that you 734 00:36:29,519 --> 00:36:34,320 can imagine living through. And they're very durable, very durable, 735 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,760 right and and and and you know all other creatures 736 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,119 are scared of them, even especially they. 737 00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:42,760 Speaker 1: Can swim, they can well, I mean they're. 738 00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:46,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, powerful absolutely, and they can go massive distances and 739 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:51,039 do it all by themselves. So when you're facing a challenge, 740 00:36:51,119 --> 00:36:53,000 and at that time, I didn't know I was going 741 00:36:53,079 --> 00:36:56,760 to be facing a challenge, and I did. And I 742 00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,559 don't want to get too deep into it, but there 743 00:36:58,639 --> 00:37:02,320 is a family of seven people that had showed up 744 00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,679 and one of the people took me to court and 745 00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:10,159 was suing me. Anyway, I won, and then they appealed 746 00:37:10,199 --> 00:37:13,280 and I won that. But the whole time I remembered 747 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,320 that the bear was with me and that that medicine 748 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:17,800 was going to help me through this. And it went 749 00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,679 on for a long time, and it cost a lot 750 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:22,559 of money to kind of deal with, but I dealt 751 00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:24,559 with it and I got through it. And but I 752 00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:26,880 know it was a teaching lesson for me. And you 753 00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,199 know people that come in that create chaos or problems 754 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,239 or issues in your life. I mean, everybody's teaching us something, right, 755 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,599 and the bear was teaching me to endure and to overcome. 756 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:38,639 And that's what I used to the old time. I 757 00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:39,719 actually have a polar. 758 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,159 Speaker 1: Bear claw with you. 759 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wear it all the time. And when I 760 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,159 connected to the bear or the bear connected to me, 761 00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,480 that the polar bear, I woke up I told my 762 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:53,000 wife Michelle, Michelle the polar Bear connected to me, and 763 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,000 I got in my head that I wanted to have 764 00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:00,440 a claw. I said, you know, I need validation that 765 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,360 this bear is with me, this great bear, and I 766 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,119 don't know how this is going to happen. So I 767 00:38:04,119 --> 00:38:06,599 had a ceremony. I went on into the forest and woods. 768 00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:10,119 I laid some tobacco, I smudged. I spoke to the ancestors, 769 00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,719 including the Great White Bear while back moon, and I said, 770 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,480 if you were if I'm meant to carry your medicine, 771 00:38:16,519 --> 00:38:19,679 if You're meant to walk with me in life, I 772 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:22,360 need you to validate in a very unique and special way. 773 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:25,199 I want you to send me a polar bear claw. 774 00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,159 I don't know how or how it's going to come 775 00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:29,920 to me, but I'd really like it if you could 776 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,679 send me a claw. And I just let it go. 777 00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,400 And then months later I get a parcel in the 778 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,840 middle from a lady named Barbara Kemp Bishop who lives 779 00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,280 in Newfoundland and was just in Labrador, and she wrote 780 00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:46,599 me a little letter and with a little package that 781 00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:48,320 was wrapped in a red cloth, and she said, I 782 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,039 just met with some Innook elders in Labrador and the 783 00:38:52,119 --> 00:38:55,599 altar had gifted me two polar bear claws, and he said, 784 00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:59,239 this one's for you, Barbara. But I have to tell you, Barbara, 785 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,440 this other clause meant for someone else, and you have 786 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,840 to gift it to this other person. And I can't 787 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,679 tell you who it is, but you'll know who you 788 00:39:07,679 --> 00:39:09,920 were supposed to gift this to. So she went home. 789 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,039 She goes, I thought about it like for five minutes, 790 00:39:12,039 --> 00:39:15,119 and I only could think of you, She gus, So, 791 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,440 I hope that you accept this gift that has given 792 00:39:18,519 --> 00:39:22,880 to me to gift to you, and I wear it. 793 00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:26,280 I'll show it to you. So this is my. 794 00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 1: Claw, that's just she look at the size of that thing. 795 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:31,039 Speaker 2: It's a polar bear claw. 796 00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's probably the pinky finger. 797 00:39:33,679 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, I'm a young bear of myself. 798 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,880 Speaker 1: The a pack has gone, I feel. 799 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:49,679 Speaker 2: But since then it's gotten stranger because even though that's 800 00:39:49,679 --> 00:39:52,360 an amazing thing that has happened. Shortly after that, another 801 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,400 lady came to my house named Lori Crudo, and she 802 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,320 does she's MiG Ball and she did some part time 803 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,599 taxi Germany. And she goes, I was just working on 804 00:39:59,639 --> 00:40:01,320 a polar bear rug, and I have a little piece 805 00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:03,000 left over, and I thought I should gift it to 806 00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:06,360 you for your smudge bowl. And then a week later 807 00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,599 after that, somebody called me and said, Sean, I you know, 808 00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,719 me and my mom could really use a session, and 809 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:15,000 I know that you don't do them anymore, but I 810 00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,360 have this old polar bear rug in my closet that 811 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,199 I was thinking of what I could do with it. 812 00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,039 And I thought about you and thought about offering her 813 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:25,960 to you. If you could do a session for me, 814 00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:31,079 I'm like, let me check my calendar. I think I 815 00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:35,360 can work this out. And then even writing the book 816 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:38,760 Welcome with the Spirit Toono Animals, I received another claw. 817 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 818 00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:47,920 and now back to the show. 819 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:55,039 Speaker 2: I received another rug which a lady reached out to 820 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,639 me and said, you know, can you meet me her 821 00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:02,320 and her husband. This lady, missus Finnigan, and her husband, 822 00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:07,480 her father in law passed away, her husband's father, and 823 00:41:07,519 --> 00:41:11,719 he met some Inook elders up in Northwest territories like 824 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:18,559 fifty years ago, and he traded a sled for a 825 00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:21,920 polar bear rug with the head, the claws, everything, and 826 00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:26,159 he recently passed away and they were looking at it 827 00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:28,800 and thought, what can we do with this? You know, 828 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:34,239 it's in their closet another rug, and we thought that 829 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,519 you would be honored to have this. You would you 830 00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:39,719 accept this gift. We have the papers for it from 831 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,400 where it came from and all this, and I'm like, 832 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,400 I would absolutely love to have that. So I'm up 833 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,920 to six different parts of different bears. 834 00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:50,760 Speaker 1: Over the years. 835 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 2: Over the years, and you know, while I was writing 836 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,599 this book, the sixth piece have come to me. I'm 837 00:41:57,639 --> 00:42:00,360 still waiting for one more. I believe for this the 838 00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,159 seven bears. Now an indigenous culture, we have the seven 839 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,639 Grandfather teaching. Seven is a very spiritual numbers in relation 840 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,840 to the directions, et cetera. So I don't think it 841 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,360 was an accident that those seven bears that come to me. 842 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,800 But it's this is not for me. I mean, in 843 00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,800 my egotistical sense of thinking, this is me, Oh, this 844 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,679 is awesome, I get seven parts of bears. It's not. 845 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,679 It's about helping other people understand that the animalation is 846 00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:27,599 connecting to us and wants to connect to us and 847 00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:30,000 wants to walk with us all and that there's four 848 00:42:30,039 --> 00:42:33,400 animals that probably walk with us all which are well. 849 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,400 It could be it depends on what yours are, right, 850 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,119 they're uniquely different to you. 851 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:39,039 Speaker 1: Can you tell? But can you do a reading? 852 00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,760 Speaker 2: I could do a reading like I feel you have 853 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:43,159 a horse that is connected to you. 854 00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:50,480 Speaker 1: An ass of a horse, because that would make a 855 00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,039 lot of sense and would explains. 856 00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:53,599 Speaker 2: The tiger too. 857 00:42:53,639 --> 00:42:56,599 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, interesting a tiger aut that I've connected 858 00:42:56,639 --> 00:42:58,199 with the tiger for many I was born in the 859 00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,599 year of the Tiger. Oh were you no way? 860 00:42:59,639 --> 00:43:02,000 Speaker 2: Because I see a tiger and a horse. But you know, 861 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,280 but I would say to you, you know, call upon them, 862 00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,559 you speak to them, invite them to reveal themselves to you. 863 00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:11,639 But you if you already feel connected. 864 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,360 Speaker 1: To the tigers, I've always I don't wear a tiger 865 00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,559 or anything. You don't you know, I'm not. It's not 866 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:22,880 Scarface the giant tiger or so I don't. But I've 867 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:26,880 always I just when I was learning about horoscopes and 868 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:29,039 stuff like that back in the day, I heard I'm like, 869 00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:30,719 what year was I born? I'm like, I was born 870 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,960 because we all want to be born in the year 871 00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440 of the dragon, because Bruce lay. But I was born 872 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,840 the year of the Tiger. I'm like, well, that's not bad. 873 00:43:37,039 --> 00:43:39,400 You know, it's not like the rooster. No, there's nothing 874 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,880 wrong with rooster people. But so I've always been connected 875 00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,280 to the tiger energy wise, and anytime I see a 876 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,239 tiger or it's just something that's always been in the 877 00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,840 background since I was a kid. When I heard about 878 00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,440 that horse is new, but tiger when you said tiger, 879 00:43:56,519 --> 00:43:58,440 is like, yeah, that's the that's the one animal that 880 00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,119 really connects me. 881 00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:04,280 Speaker 2: So where's like the Siberian tiger from mainly India India, 882 00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,119 And I'll tell you, you've lived many lifetimes in India, and 883 00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,639 that's why the tiger's connected to you, and that's why 884 00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:11,800 you're drawn to the culture, and that's why there's things 885 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:13,559 within you that is expressing itself to you. 886 00:44:13,679 --> 00:44:15,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, like right, Indian sants and. 887 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 2: So there's a there's an animal medicine that has not 888 00:44:18,039 --> 00:44:20,000 only walked with you, is walking with you in this life, 889 00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,800 but is walking with you through many lifetimes. Interesting and 890 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:23,719 the tiger is one of. 891 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 1: Those that's beautiful. So how do you so like, so 892 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,199 everyone's watching this and saying or listening to this and 893 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,719 going this is fantastic, Sean. These stories are awesome. I 894 00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,519 want seven polar bears. I would like a tiger to 895 00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:37,880 hang out with me. What how can you connect with 896 00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:42,079 them on a spiritual level? What can a normal non 897 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,000 indigenous echic media to connect to their totem animal and 898 00:44:48,039 --> 00:44:49,880 how to connect with them, how to work with them, 899 00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:51,840 how to talk to them? Like or do you just 900 00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,840 sit there and go tiger like? How do you? 901 00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:57,639 Speaker 2: Well, you might already know some of your spirit tonament. 902 00:44:57,679 --> 00:44:59,079 It was like you you already feel like you know 903 00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:01,159 you have a connection to the tiger that I knew 904 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,559 for sure, And a lot of people are similar. There's 905 00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,320 people out in the world that have a deep connection 906 00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,840 to the feline nation. You know, they may have lived 907 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,400 many lifetimes in Egyptian culture. I have ten cats in 908 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:13,000 that right exactly. Yeah, or you've maybe had take cats 909 00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,320 in your lifetime, which is me included. Yes, all at 910 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,440 the same time, you may already like there might be 911 00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,239 already subtle hints that you feel drawn to a particular 912 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:24,360 animal and maybe. 913 00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,599 Speaker 1: Not why Well, the feline in general nation is something 914 00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,960 I've always been drawn to, right, the tiger. I have 915 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,760 cats at home. I've had dogs too, but the cat 916 00:45:33,159 --> 00:45:36,079 is something that's been very like, very drawn to. 917 00:45:36,039 --> 00:45:39,519 Speaker 2: That, and some people are drawn to the canine nation, 918 00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:41,960 you know, the wolves, and they're all like ancestor. The 919 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,039 wolves is the ancestors to all the canines that walk 920 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:47,119 on today. So you know there there there might be 921 00:45:47,199 --> 00:45:49,559 already inkling within you of like at least one or 922 00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:53,199 two animals that you within your slip within self yourself, Yes, 923 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,480 because the answer is always there. I mean, don't feel 924 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,320 like you have to come to me, That's what I say, 925 00:45:58,599 --> 00:46:00,760 because I can't get to every what about coming to me? 926 00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,199 This is about discovering this stuff within yourself or the 927 00:46:03,199 --> 00:46:05,800 connection you have. Hence is why I wrote the book 928 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,400 Walking with Your Spirit, Tone of Animals right, which comes 929 00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,639 out October twenty first. So if you're watching this after, 930 00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:14,920 you know that's available everywhere, right and if you I'm 931 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,480 doing a class on October twenty third, a free class 932 00:46:17,519 --> 00:46:20,519 teaching about it. And I have a meditation that if 933 00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:24,280 you put your your receipt code on my website, then 934 00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:28,599 you actually get the meditation. You'll get an intentional prayer 935 00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,840 or ceremonial prayer that would invite your spirit animal totem 936 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,440 to connect to you. So I've given those oh for 937 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,880 free for people who are buying the book, awesome. But 938 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,679 if you don't buy the book, that doesn't mean you 939 00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,400 can't have your own personal ceremony, that you can't go 940 00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:44,480 somewhere sacred to you, a sacred space and make some 941 00:46:44,519 --> 00:46:47,400 type of offering. It could be a crystal, It could 942 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,719 be a medicine that your culture works with, you know 943 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:52,400 predominantly in some way that resonates with you. It could 944 00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:56,519 be saved, it could be Palo Santo or whatever it is. 945 00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,719 Just make an offering and then speak from your heart 946 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,159 to the animal nation. If you're not sure of the animals, 947 00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,519 if you if you are sure, you can call upon 948 00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:07,559 those animals because you know you're facing a certain challenge 949 00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:10,000 where you need to be brave, or you need to 950 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:13,199 be truthful, or or some of the other medicines. And 951 00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:17,000 in the book I have written in extensively about the 952 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:19,960 seven grandfather teachings. But the Wolf, the turtle, the Bear 953 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:24,119 of the Eagle, the buffalo, and Sabe. 954 00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:25,960 Speaker 1: We can talk about Sabby in a minute. 955 00:47:26,039 --> 00:47:27,239 Speaker 2: Yes, I know, we'll get that. We'll say the best 956 00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,400 last yea. Yeah, But you know you may work with 957 00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,079 those medicines. You know, some of these are my totems. 958 00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:36,599 But depending on what I'm facing and if I need 959 00:47:36,639 --> 00:47:40,639 to be humbler or or embody humility in some way 960 00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,639 because I'm speaking to people, you may call upon the 961 00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:47,760 medicine of the wolf, because that's what that carries, that animal, 962 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,960 that essence, that particular spiritual medicine that they care that 963 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,920 you can use that to face a certain situation. And 964 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:56,599 we don't, like an indigenous people, we don't have it 965 00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,920 like the tank commandments we have with the seven Grandfather's Teachings, 966 00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,000 which represent ways we can approach life so that we 967 00:48:05,639 --> 00:48:08,480 are cohesive and help each other and work together, you know. 968 00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:13,760 And each of these animals carry different medicines like wolf, humility, bear, bravery, love, eagle, 969 00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:17,880 et cetera. Turtle truth. And I mean the turtle has 970 00:48:17,880 --> 00:48:20,920 been what two hundred million years upon mother Earth? 971 00:48:21,199 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: Oh god, yeah, at least. 972 00:48:22,199 --> 00:48:22,880 Speaker 2: Two hundred million. 973 00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,239 Speaker 1: Shark is even longer. 974 00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then the turtle is deeply connected to Mother Earth. 975 00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:31,639 I mean in literally literally literally, And I tell you 976 00:48:31,679 --> 00:48:35,079 because on the back of a turtle, time is embedded 977 00:48:35,079 --> 00:48:38,679 in it. Yes, I mean within the outside of a 978 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,320 turtle's back, the shell, they have twenty eight different sections 979 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,920 on the outside, which represents the twenty eight days, and 980 00:48:46,199 --> 00:48:49,079 on the inside of the turtle shell there's thirteen representing 981 00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:52,559 the thirteen moons, and it's a calendar year with upon 982 00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,400 Mother Earth. Isn't it odd that an animal embodies time, 983 00:48:58,119 --> 00:49:00,880 it embodies truth about who we are for as long 984 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,920 as it's been here, it lives forever too. Yeah. Absolutely, 985 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,119 they lived like one and fifty years something. I think 986 00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:07,679 they live up to five or seven hundred years. 987 00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:10,519 Speaker 1: Some summer. There's someone that there was one that died recently, 988 00:49:10,599 --> 00:49:13,119 was the oldest one that we know of, at least 989 00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:17,440 in captivity, and it was like one hundred and twenty 990 00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,320 five years old, on hundred and thirty years old, something 991 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,679 like that. And it's like it saw like it was 992 00:49:21,679 --> 00:49:24,159 alive during Einstein it was, it was alive before World 993 00:49:24,199 --> 00:49:26,239 War One, it was alive around the Civil War time. 994 00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,519 Speaker 2: I think they have one second down south somewhere. I'm 995 00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,840 not sure. I have to, like I would do your research. 996 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,039 Speaker 1: Cha. 997 00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 2: GBT is great for this stuff, but I think there 998 00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,480 was a turtle that was about five or seven hundred 999 00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:41,079 years old. Jesus so to live as long as it does, 1000 00:49:41,159 --> 00:49:44,119 you know, the way approaches life and then slow. Yeah, 1001 00:49:44,199 --> 00:49:46,920 he's moving really slow and going with the flow pretty much. 1002 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,239 You know, it carries it's it's it's world on its back. 1003 00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:52,760 And we even called North America Turtle Island because if 1004 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:54,679 you look at North America, it's in the shape of 1005 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,360 a turtle. Uh. And I've put it in my book 1006 00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,440 actually kind of like outlined a turtle and North America. 1007 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,280 So it's pretty awesome. And we wouldn't know that as 1008 00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,039 Indigenous people if we weren't star people. 1009 00:50:07,039 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: Right, we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1010 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:16,360 and now back to the show. 1011 00:50:18,679 --> 00:50:22,679 Speaker 2: If we weren't able to see either psychically through our 1012 00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:28,519 visions or be taken up above by star people, we 1013 00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,760 wouldn't be able to know that North America itself was 1014 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:33,639 in the shape of fraternal So I think that, you know, 1015 00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,679 Indigenous people are connected to our star brothers and sisters. 1016 00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:41,519 But also, I mean, we're deeply connected to Mother Earth 1017 00:50:41,559 --> 00:50:44,599 and all its nations, and we're caretakers. We're all caretakers, 1018 00:50:44,679 --> 00:50:48,000 not just Indigenous people. All people are caretakers of Mother Earth. 1019 00:50:48,679 --> 00:50:56,239 Speaker 1: So you mentioned sasquatch. Yeah, yeah, okay, So listen, all right, 1020 00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,920 this is a topic that's never been discussed on the show. 1021 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,039 It is I have a feeling that there is a 1022 00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:10,280 you know, and similarly to like I had a NASA 1023 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:14,679 rocket scientist talk about, uh, you know, other beings from 1024 00:51:14,679 --> 00:51:16,519 another world, Like, well, if you're going to talk to 1025 00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:19,440 someone about that's a NASA rocket scientist who was working 1026 00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:21,679 at NASA right now would be the person to talk 1027 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,079 to about that. Same with this, if I'm going to 1028 00:51:25,119 --> 00:51:27,480 talk about sasquat, I want to talk about it with 1029 00:51:27,519 --> 00:51:31,840 an indigenous person from that point of view, So what's 1030 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,320 the I know from my understanding, from I'm gonna say 1031 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,719 Hollywood essentially, especially that one episode from six Million Dollars 1032 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:43,199 Man back in the seventies when he fought the sadsquatch guy. 1033 00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:48,239 It's a it's a it's a man beast kind of 1034 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,000 thing that lives in the forest. And then there's Harry 1035 00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,400 and the Henderson's uh right back in the eighties, that 1036 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,119 kind of movie. That's all I really know about it. 1037 00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,679 And then of course that one famous the one famous 1038 00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:00,920 shot yes that they film did and no one knows 1039 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,519 it's real or not. 1040 00:52:01,639 --> 00:52:02,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's not that. 1041 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,079 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's not that one either. So from your 1042 00:52:05,079 --> 00:52:08,239 point of view, who is Sasquatch or better as we 1043 00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:09,519 know them, Bigfoot. 1044 00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:13,119 Speaker 2: Bigfoot, sabe or it's been known by different names, you know, 1045 00:52:13,199 --> 00:52:15,440 the Yetty. 1046 00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:16,360 Speaker 1: But the Yetti is in the in the north, but. 1047 00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:19,039 Speaker 2: Very closely related. Yes, I mean, if you think about this, 1048 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:21,239 I mean the human age, we only think of ourselves 1049 00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,400 as just and as of recently, even with the Nasca 1050 00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,199 mummies and things like that, they're finding the remains of 1051 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:32,400 like humanoid type beings that transcend just our understanding of 1052 00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:33,360 what the human nation is. 1053 00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,480 Speaker 1: Well, yes, skulls, different kind of stuffs and things like that. 1054 00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,480 Speaker 2: And how long have we been on Mother Earth? You know, 1055 00:52:39,599 --> 00:52:41,400 I think we've probably been seated here by our star 1056 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:43,559 brothers and sisters, and maybe there might be some cross 1057 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:46,440 cultural kind of genetic stuff going on and stuff like that. 1058 00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:49,480 But aki in that yeah, right, yeah, I mean there's 1059 00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,599 a lot of like star people that you know, probably 1060 00:52:51,639 --> 00:52:53,800 had a hand in who we become in some sense. Right. 1061 00:52:54,639 --> 00:53:00,199 But you know, Sasquitz is some Western coast indigenced Pele 1062 00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:05,360 call him or her. They have like carvings and paintings 1063 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:07,559 in the forest that elders have told me about that 1064 00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:12,280 predate any type of European connection to people. So there 1065 00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:15,119 is an understanding or belief that there is this humanoid 1066 00:53:15,199 --> 00:53:19,400 kind of creature called Sasquatch or backfoot that has walked 1067 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,159 upon Mother Earth. I feel personally, and I've had an 1068 00:53:22,159 --> 00:53:25,719 experience with Sasquatch just so you know. And the reason 1069 00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,000 why I had the experience is because I wanted to 1070 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:32,400 explore and understand what Sasquatch or Bigfoot was. And we 1071 00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:35,440 are any dimensional beings, we. 1072 00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:37,039 Speaker 1: All are, and you I had a feeling you were 1073 00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:37,559 going to go here. 1074 00:53:37,599 --> 00:53:39,079 Speaker 2: We're all the interdimensional beings. 1075 00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 1: You know. 1076 00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:43,440 Speaker 2: We have people seeing ghosts, sure we have. Do they 1077 00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:48,039 appear physical sometimes to people? Yes, so does Sasquatch. Sasquatch 1078 00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,320 has walked upon Earth as a great nation at some point, 1079 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,920 and I do feel like they have the ability to 1080 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,800 transcend the physical and spiritual and take form for moments 1081 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:00,679 of time where people can see them. Do they live 1082 00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:03,320 here for some times they can transcend back into spirit. 1083 00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:03,960 I'm sure they do. 1084 00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:06,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure they go to another dimension another. 1085 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,440 Speaker 2: Definitely dimensional, because we're you know, definitely there's a multi 1086 00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,760 dimensional space and time for which we all exist with 1087 00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,599 a pin right now just as we are and human nation. 1088 00:54:14,679 --> 00:54:17,440 If you can see people walking in and just like gnomes, 1089 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,559 so like we have teachings like I think they're called 1090 00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,079 big bush. I might have pronounced the wrong amigma, but 1091 00:54:22,079 --> 00:54:24,719 the little people. You know, we have giants, giant people, 1092 00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,400 hairy people like sasquits. And when I was filling season 1093 00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:29,239 four of Spirit. 1094 00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:33,239 Speaker 1: Talker, apparently I got a get season. These other seasons 1095 00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:35,639 are a waste of time. I need a good season. Well, 1096 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,960 they'll show up and they're all amazing joking. 1097 00:54:38,719 --> 00:54:41,679 Speaker 2: They'll all come on next level sol TV eventually, absolutely, sir. 1098 00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,000 And but I got to go and spend time with 1099 00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:51,360 uh Indigenous community calls to Alis and their symbol for 1100 00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:55,519 their community is Bigfoot. That's the picture that they have 1101 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:59,159 for their community. And they actually have a placer called 1102 00:54:59,159 --> 00:55:02,599 the Bigfoot Trail that they they honor and protect and 1103 00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,440 do ceremonies. And it leads to one of these spots 1104 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:09,599 where they have these paintings in the forest that predate 1105 00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,599 and it depict Sasquatch or they call them Sasquets. Now, 1106 00:55:13,639 --> 00:55:16,280 when I was there in the community, it was pretty 1107 00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,599 amazing because I learned some of this history because I 1108 00:55:18,599 --> 00:55:22,280 didn't know it, and I got to They did a 1109 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,679 ceremony for me with their young people, and they were 1110 00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:29,159 singing their songs and through ceremony, and all the young 1111 00:55:29,199 --> 00:55:33,039 people dressed up and had made what they believed their 1112 00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:36,400 depiction of what Bigfoot looks like, and they were walking 1113 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:40,360 around like Bigfoot, embodying the spirit of Bigfoot through their 1114 00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,239 ceremonial songs and dance that they had done for me. 1115 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,920 It was amazing. I loved it. And a lot of 1116 00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,400 like more current type of faces that you would see 1117 00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,239 of like Bigfoot of Sasquatch where they're kind of unique looking. 1118 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:55,400 I guess all these masks look. 1119 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,000 Speaker 1: Like that, like Harry and Henderson's No, a little bit. 1120 00:55:58,159 --> 00:56:00,840 Speaker 2: Stranger than that, really a little bit stranger in that. Yeah, 1121 00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:06,400 and it's still humanoid, right, but there people experience Bigfoot often, 1122 00:56:07,639 --> 00:56:10,239 and I feel like they may come in from other 1123 00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,480 dimensions from time to time. Did you just whisper there? 1124 00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,039 Speaker 1: I just want you to know I didn't. 1125 00:56:15,119 --> 00:56:18,079 Speaker 2: You might record a spirit, Okay, there was a breadthre 1126 00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:18,920 that went here. 1127 00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:20,239 Speaker 1: I didn't hear that. 1128 00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, just you know, I might pick it up. 1129 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,320 You listen, because I know there's a spirit here with me, 1130 00:56:25,639 --> 00:56:28,280 and it could be the spirit of sasquits. Who knows, 1131 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,280 because when I, when I, when anybody that is this 1132 00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,519 is this is a gift that I have that I 1133 00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,199 that I don't know why I have. And it just 1134 00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:38,840 happened recently. I was telling you about previously. Coming on, 1135 00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,719 I was in Friton. I was doing a live event 1136 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,159 and during the events, spirit had spoke loud enough, loud 1137 00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:47,119 enough that the audience could hear the spirits, not just 1138 00:56:47,159 --> 00:56:48,960 one or too like half the audience. Half the audience 1139 00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,960 heard the spirit speak, and it was it was pretty 1140 00:56:52,119 --> 00:56:54,360 like a big eye opener for people that are there. 1141 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,960 You think for you as well. Right, so I have 1142 00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,880 a feeling you're going to hear a spirit there, all right? 1143 00:56:58,960 --> 00:56:59,280 Speaker 1: All right? 1144 00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,440 Speaker 2: But anyway, when I was out there, I saw the 1145 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:06,480 ceremony walked up the Saskuts trail and I thought, I'd 1146 00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:11,320 really love to connect to this, this beautiful, amazing creature, right, 1147 00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:16,119 so I invited Saskuts to connect to me. And and 1148 00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,440 you know they represent honesty in the Seven Grandfather's Teachings 1149 00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:28,800 because they is that you okay, now you can mess? 1150 00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:32,679 Did you get that? 1151 00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:33,480 Speaker 1: That's amazing? 1152 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:36,360 Speaker 2: I just said, no, I didn't do that. 1153 00:57:36,519 --> 00:57:38,360 Speaker 3: Was that you you would have caught me good, I'm 1154 00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,800 gonna turtle a red dob off and so but anyway, 1155 00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:41,719 I went out on the trail. 1156 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:44,199 Speaker 2: I went out on the trail and uh, and I 1157 00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:47,000 invited the sascts. I made an offering, and I walked 1158 00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,840 for some time because I was up there filming, and 1159 00:57:50,840 --> 00:57:54,480 and there's this massive cedar trees out in the west 1160 00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,559 coast of Canada, right and I think down in California. 1161 00:57:56,599 --> 00:58:00,880 Oh ye, yeah, the redwood cedars. And I saw very 1162 00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:04,679 quickly from one tree into another would look like a 1163 00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,280 humanoid haired creature that ran across the path from one 1164 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,280 tree into another tree. And I had to sit there 1165 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:12,639 and think, did I just see what? I just thought? 1166 00:58:12,679 --> 00:58:15,840 It was all like that was amazing, Like I didn't 1167 00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:18,440 see like in the physical form, but I saw what 1168 00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:21,800 I thought or believe is the spirit form of sasquitch. 1169 00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,639 Speaker 1: And it. 1170 00:58:25,719 --> 00:58:28,679 Speaker 2: It's immense my understanding of it being a cross or 1171 00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,840 inner dimensional being, so that they can come in and 1172 00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:34,920 be seen, but also they can choose to not be 1173 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,440 seen if they if they want to be. 1174 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:39,480 Speaker 1: And very much like a ghost, yeah, very much like 1175 00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,239 a ghost, very much like a ghost that they can't 1176 00:58:41,239 --> 00:58:43,760 be shown. It cannot be shown. When you said gnome, 1177 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,480 that's very interesting because I know in Ireland. Yeah, I 1178 00:58:47,519 --> 00:58:49,599 think it was. I think it's Ireland. I'm not sure. 1179 00:58:49,639 --> 00:58:52,480 I'm almost positive it's Ireland or Scotland, one of the two. Yes, 1180 00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:57,440 that you can get a degree no way in finding gnomes. 1181 00:58:57,519 --> 00:58:58,079 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1182 00:58:58,159 --> 00:59:04,119 Speaker 1: Now, when you hear things like this, you just go, guys, 1183 00:59:04,559 --> 00:59:05,039 what do you talk? 1184 00:59:05,159 --> 00:59:05,199 Speaker 2: Like? 1185 00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:06,840 Speaker 1: What you talk about? But when you start looking at 1186 00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:10,199 all of this stuff through this lens, all of a sudden, 1187 00:59:10,199 --> 00:59:12,480 you're like, well, wait a minute. If we believe in 1188 00:59:12,519 --> 00:59:18,079 intertermensional abilities, the Mendela effect, even you know, on a 1189 00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:20,360 quantum level, like you know what the Mendel effect obviously is, right, 1190 00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:22,760 Like you know, there's shift, different timelines and all that 1191 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:25,519 kind of stuff. So if we all have this kind 1192 00:59:25,519 --> 00:59:28,159 of belief that there is something like that, there's multiple timelines, 1193 00:59:28,239 --> 00:59:32,119 multiple dimensions, even if it's like just the other side, 1194 00:59:32,599 --> 00:59:34,840 isn't none other dimension? You know, like when you're talking 1195 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,400 to your grandmother or your grandfather, they're in another space 1196 00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:42,119 and time exactly, So what is there not to say that? 1197 00:59:42,159 --> 00:59:48,119 There isn't all these kind of mythical creatures, dragons, very 1198 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:54,360 yetty gnomes all those kind of things that at one 1199 00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:57,000 point didn't live here or did live here, you know, 1200 00:59:57,239 --> 01:00:00,800 all that kind of stuff. It came from somewhere. 1201 01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,880 Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, how long has Mother's been here 1202 01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:04,960 and how many creatures have evolved and changed your gun 1203 01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:05,559 into spirit. 1204 01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,840 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1205 01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:17,400 and now back to the show. I mean just in 1206 01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:20,719 our lifetime. I mean, look at all the dinosaurs. Yeah, absolutely, 1207 01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:22,559 you know the I think no, I think it was 1208 01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:24,320 up to ten thousand years ago they had the mammoth, 1209 01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:26,400 the bullly mammoth, and the saber tooth tiger was still 1210 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:27,800 roaming North America. 1211 01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:30,400 Speaker 2: Right, And do people still see Lockness or NeSSI or 1212 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,400 Ogapogo up in Canada, Like there's so many different names 1213 01:00:33,679 --> 01:00:34,639 of that. 1214 01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:36,960 Speaker 1: Little one down in Mexico and the New Mexico, the 1215 01:00:37,039 --> 01:00:38,199 guy with the little flute. 1216 01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, but those kind of yeah, absolutely, So they pop 1217 01:00:41,239 --> 01:00:43,199 up from time to time. And people have these experiences 1218 01:00:43,199 --> 01:00:47,519 of seeing things right, right, So they're inner dimensional beings, right, 1219 01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:50,199 they have a spirit? Can they take for him? Yes, 1220 01:00:50,199 --> 01:00:52,880 we've taken for him into this physical for this lifetime. 1221 01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:55,719 We will return the spirit we've come from spirit. 1222 01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:59,199 Speaker 1: So they can kind of shift their frequency, the vibrant 1223 01:00:59,239 --> 01:01:01,400 to come in and come out, and that's why you 1224 01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:03,880 only see glimpses of it. That's right, absolutely, that's why 1225 01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,480 bigfoot hunters are not going to find him. 1226 01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:07,960 Speaker 2: Well, they might find him for a minute. They're not 1227 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:08,519 going to caption. 1228 01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:10,639 Speaker 1: But the point is that they but they wouldn't really, 1229 01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:17,079 they wouldn't reveal themselves on a reality show generally speaking, 1230 01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:18,840 like we're going to go find like that's not where 1231 01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,760 they go. But in a spiritual experience like you had, 1232 01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:25,000 they might just for a moment, just give you. You're 1233 01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:26,719 not gonna have coffee with them, but no, just a 1234 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,320 glimpse of Like did I I just see that? 1235 01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:32,000 Speaker 2: That's fast because I wasn't sure. I mean, i mean, 1236 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,039 despite what everybody's talked about, I'm not sure if these 1237 01:01:34,199 --> 01:01:39,199 like fairies gnomes have existed. But I've had experiences where 1238 01:01:39,199 --> 01:01:42,199 I've seen things like that, but just for moments, and 1239 01:01:42,239 --> 01:01:45,000 it's because there are space and time have kind of 1240 01:01:45,079 --> 01:01:48,559 crossed for a moment, the frequency of vibration, of alignment 1241 01:01:48,599 --> 01:01:51,119 of coming together for a moment, I've seen them. 1242 01:01:51,519 --> 01:01:57,599 Speaker 1: So is in your culture? Is sasquatch an animal part 1243 01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:58,920 of the animal nation or part of part of the 1244 01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,679 animal nation. It is part of the animals, So it's 1245 01:02:00,679 --> 01:02:02,039 a humanoid humanoid animally. 1246 01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:07,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean apes are also a humanoid. Yeah, yeah, 1247 01:02:07,519 --> 01:02:08,400 kind of humanoid. 1248 01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:11,360 Speaker 1: And we're only a few with DNA strands away. 1249 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:14,199 Speaker 2: Right, And then they're still evolving, right, even apes and 1250 01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,000 monkeys today are still like evolving. They're not fully become 1251 01:02:18,039 --> 01:02:21,159 who they need to be interesting, right, I feel like 1252 01:02:21,199 --> 01:02:24,480 that there's a an embodiment and I think possibly, I mean, 1253 01:02:24,519 --> 01:02:27,320 if you think about it, because we see, we're all relations, right, 1254 01:02:28,079 --> 01:02:30,719 these are our ancestors. They've come before us, They've evolved 1255 01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:33,199 and lived upon mother Earth and have become something new 1256 01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:36,480 and greater. We're still becoming something new and greater. We 1257 01:02:36,519 --> 01:02:38,800 will know at some point. I feel like the human nations, 1258 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:41,400 just like ours, our brothers and sisters, we won't even 1259 01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,159 need to talk. We'll just think about what we need 1260 01:02:43,159 --> 01:02:43,760 to say to everyone. 1261 01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,920 Speaker 1: But that's the way it is on the other side. Yeah, 1262 01:02:46,079 --> 01:02:48,000 I mean spirit doesn't talk with voice. 1263 01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:51,000 Speaker 2: No, generally, generally, Jay Ken, I mean I do report 1264 01:02:51,039 --> 01:02:52,559 them to speaking with but they do have a voice, 1265 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:53,239 but they. 1266 01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:56,239 Speaker 1: But when you're near death experiences that I've spoken to, yes, 1267 01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,880 all of them no one had a conversation. No, exactly 1268 01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,039 when Jesus shows up. Yeah, you know, it's it's always telepathy, 1269 01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:06,079 and it's instant. You ask a question, you know the answer. Absolutely, 1270 01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:11,880 it's it's almost instant. It is. I'd love talking to you, Shank. 1271 01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,320 Speaker 2: But but Sasquatch, I mean, you see, this is the card. 1272 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,519 I'll just hold it up here just for a second. 1273 01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,559 This is there. There, it is, oh there, I don't 1274 01:03:20,599 --> 01:03:23,239 even know where I am. This is the card from 1275 01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:25,239 my myrocle card deck that I had, And this is 1276 01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,519 all the art done for my racle card deck is 1277 01:03:27,559 --> 01:03:30,880 done by a Migma lady named Tracey Metallic Beautiful. So 1278 01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,440 it's all hand painted. Everything in this card deck is 1279 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,880 hand painted and I used a who is it Aaron 1280 01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,760 Googu to kind of help me do the digitally taking 1281 01:03:39,840 --> 01:03:42,679 the paintings to put on to the to the car cards. Right. 1282 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,480 But you know, so these are all teachings connecting Indigenous people, 1283 01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:49,480 not because we feel like we just made them up, 1284 01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:51,199 but it's something that we've had a connection to. 1285 01:03:51,599 --> 01:03:55,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. The legend, if you will, or the myth of 1286 01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,599 a sasquatch has been around for generations upon. 1287 01:03:58,719 --> 01:04:02,079 Speaker 2: Pre contact to European as far as I know. 1288 01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:05,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's been something within the indigenous community in 1289 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,880 North America. Is it a specific North American thing or 1290 01:04:07,920 --> 01:04:09,280 is the asquatch other places? 1291 01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:12,119 Speaker 2: I don't. I can't answer that, okay, because I when 1292 01:04:12,119 --> 01:04:14,079 I would say predominant is probably in North America. 1293 01:04:14,159 --> 01:04:17,639 Speaker 1: But YETI well, YETI is in the yeah Alps. 1294 01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:19,760 Speaker 2: But they're very closely related, right they look similar, just 1295 01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,199 maybe just different color fur. 1296 01:04:21,519 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 1: Right, So, but but the Yetti is isn't that the 1297 01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:24,599 Alp isn't. 1298 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:26,559 Speaker 2: That bad and things like that? 1299 01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:29,280 Speaker 1: That is in the North Norway and that kind of Yeah. 1300 01:04:29,719 --> 01:04:31,880 Speaker 2: So I feel like there must be some type of 1301 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:34,599 like I mean, if you look at our planet where 1302 01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:39,519 the human nation isn't people from Africa black because the 1303 01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:42,440 red indigenous people are red. You know, the Caucasian people 1304 01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:45,119 are typically referred to as being white and brown people, 1305 01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,440 Chinese people being yellow people. You know, it's like or 1306 01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,599 brown people, Like, there's all kinds of colors of people. 1307 01:04:51,079 --> 01:04:53,559 So why would so why could they not be related 1308 01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:56,719 still and still have different colors of fur or embody 1309 01:04:57,119 --> 01:04:59,079 the same type of form, but just in different parts 1310 01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:00,000 of the world in different ways. 1311 01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:02,199 Speaker 1: And could have they and they could could have they 1312 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,880 been at a certain level on this earth hundreds of 1313 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,360 thousands of you or millions of years ago. Absolutely, And 1314 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,519 this is just a couple of remnanences of coming in 1315 01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:14,480 and out when they want to. God, it takes the 1316 01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:15,679 head hurt. It's beautiful. 1317 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:17,920 Speaker 2: I this is a this is kind of a strange one. 1318 01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:25,599 But my stepdaughter, Ashley, my wife's daughter, my wife, Michelle's daughter, Ashley, 1319 01:05:25,719 --> 01:05:28,280 she has a very deep connection. 1320 01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:29,559 Speaker 1: In gnomes mm hmm. 1321 01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,440 Speaker 2: And she's dreamed of them. They come to her. She's 1322 01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:33,519 got a gnome tattoo. 1323 01:05:34,119 --> 01:05:34,519 Speaker 1: Really. 1324 01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,119 Speaker 2: And then this is this is kind of cool because 1325 01:05:37,719 --> 01:05:39,800 and we have teachings and migmo culture, we call them 1326 01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:40,519 big bush. 1327 01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:43,159 Speaker 1: Do they have the same kind of because gnomes, to 1328 01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:44,760 my understanding, are very European. 1329 01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:46,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we call them just little people. 1330 01:05:46,519 --> 01:05:48,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't have the pointy hats. No, that's 1331 01:05:48,719 --> 01:05:52,000 just that's the other that's right, well people, and that's it. 1332 01:05:52,119 --> 01:05:53,400 Is it Dutch? Isn't that? 1333 01:05:53,639 --> 01:05:53,960 Speaker 2: Maybe? 1334 01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:56,880 Speaker 1: Is it Dutch or it's I feel it's like in 1335 01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,400 the Netherlands area is where you see but I feel 1336 01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,079 like there's teach like whether you go to bad about 1337 01:06:02,119 --> 01:06:03,199 yetti of like a. 1338 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:06,679 Speaker 2: Harry, there's different, there's different kind of depictions of our 1339 01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,360 understanding of that right too right. And to the Migmah 1340 01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:12,920 people are indigenous people, we call them a big bush, 1341 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:15,239 which is like the little people. I might be pronounced 1342 01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:15,519 on that wrong. 1343 01:06:15,679 --> 01:06:15,840 Speaker 1: To know. 1344 01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:18,559 Speaker 2: I'm going to get some messages from Migmah people saying 1345 01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,960 that's not how you say that. But I do my best. 1346 01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:25,320 And but actually was downstairs watching TV with her boyfriend, 1347 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:27,400 and I have a camera that's kind of pointed out 1348 01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:32,360 the window outside, and one night I got a notification 1349 01:06:32,519 --> 01:06:35,400 that there was some movement outside. Stop it, I did, 1350 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:39,840 and I caught a little guy waddling stop about this high? 1351 01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:40,920 Speaker 1: Do you have that footage? 1352 01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:43,800 Speaker 2: This is This is the weird part because I often 1353 01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,519 delete all of my recordings, and I deleted them all. 1354 01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,760 My wife saw it so she can voch for me. 1355 01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:52,239 I know it's gonna sound silly by saying this. I 1356 01:06:52,239 --> 01:06:53,800 saw a little person and I showed it to her 1357 01:06:53,840 --> 01:06:55,280 and she goes, oh my god, that's a freaking gnome. 1358 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,679 I'm like it is, and I said, is it odd 1359 01:06:57,719 --> 01:07:01,039 that actually is downstairs when we caught this? But maybe 1360 01:07:01,079 --> 01:07:02,199 I was never meant to show it. 1361 01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:04,679 Speaker 1: To anyone well, no they're not. That's not what they eat. 1362 01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like that we call them tricksters, right, 1363 01:07:07,239 --> 01:07:09,280 the gnomes of the little people the big bush, that 1364 01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:12,400 we feel that they can influence us in different ways 1365 01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,519 with their medicine. So maybe they're not meant to be seen, 1366 01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:17,559 but just meant to be known that they're there. And 1367 01:07:17,599 --> 01:07:20,800 I and I know what I saw. It was in 1368 01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,199 a figma imagination. I literally had it on film on 1369 01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,679 my security camera and it looked like a little man 1370 01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:29,559 with a little hat and nome waddling across my deck. 1371 01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 1: So what what energy does the Sasquatch have in this? 1372 01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,719 Speaker 2: In this honest honesty honesty because they have to accept 1373 01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:43,920 themselves as they are. They teach us to just beside 1374 01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:48,199 despite being different, because they are different than the typical 1375 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,199 human nation or other creatures within the forest. But they 1376 01:07:51,239 --> 01:07:54,000 embody honesty because they have to be honest with who 1377 01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:58,280 they are, and they bring that teaching of honesty because 1378 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:02,320 if you're facing a situation in life where and many 1379 01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,519 people are afraid to be who they are, yeah, right, 1380 01:08:06,199 --> 01:08:10,039 because they're they're fearful of judgment or they're fearful of 1381 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:12,599 of what somebody might think about them, you know, then 1382 01:08:12,639 --> 01:08:16,079 it's it's then you can call upon the medicine, the 1383 01:08:16,279 --> 01:08:20,039 essence a Bigfoot to kind of help you to be 1384 01:08:20,119 --> 01:08:22,960 honest with who you are in life and to accept 1385 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:25,319 yourself in life, to love yourself. 1386 01:08:25,600 --> 01:08:29,920 Speaker 1: So with all the animal nation totems that you've connected with, 1387 01:08:30,560 --> 01:08:33,960 many of these seem to be North American, yes, right, 1388 01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:38,560 but but in other cultures like the kangaroo I'm assuming, 1389 01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:41,560 I'm assuming, the aborigine, you have, the Tasmanium devil, and. 1390 01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:44,359 Speaker 2: It's like you you're connecting to the tiger. 1391 01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:45,560 Speaker 1: There's no tigers here. 1392 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,760 Speaker 2: There's no tigers, I mean, unless you're the tiger guy 1393 01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:49,560 on TV there. 1394 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:55,119 Speaker 1: I'm from Florida, so please please don't bring that up. Tiger. No, no, 1395 01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,039 they're not native tigers are I understand tigers were not 1396 01:08:58,119 --> 01:09:00,000 native to North America, so they were brought over here. 1397 01:09:00,159 --> 01:09:02,359 Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that you only connect to North 1398 01:09:02,399 --> 01:09:04,600 American creatures. But you know, for me, it is it 1399 01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,720 it is that way, yeah, of course. But for someone else, 1400 01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,439 you may be very deeply connected to the elephant or 1401 01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:12,079 the kangaroo, or the snake, you know, or and there's 1402 01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:15,600 snakes in North America. But there's there's armadillo who knows. Yeah, 1403 01:09:15,800 --> 01:09:19,560 and they all have different medicines and I won't know 1404 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:22,399 them all. Just you know, I didn't write the book thinking, Okay, 1405 01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:23,920 well I'm going to list all the medicines of all 1406 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:27,960 the animals of the world. No. No, yeah, it would 1407 01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:31,840 be like this thing, maybe even thicker. I would say, 1408 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:33,760 you know, if you feel connected to an animal from 1409 01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:36,800 another nation within the world, because mother Earth is a great, 1410 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:40,560 big place, you know, then redo your research and find 1411 01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:44,119 out what that animal essence and bodies and how you 1412 01:09:44,159 --> 01:09:45,840 can call upon it if you need to it. 1413 01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:47,960 Speaker 1: So what does the tiger have? Just out of curiosity, 1414 01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,560 I don't know. Oh, you don't know the tiger. No, 1415 01:09:49,640 --> 01:09:52,800 I don't know the tiger, Okay, but I'm assuming it's strength. 1416 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:56,359 Speaker 2: I would say strength. You know, there's very protective of 1417 01:09:56,399 --> 01:09:59,319 their family, right because I feel like that the mother, 1418 01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:02,520 just like the mother bearers, robably very protective. And you know, 1419 01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,359 they they're very family orientated if you think about it, 1420 01:10:05,359 --> 01:10:08,760 because they hang out in pride of like like lions, 1421 01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:12,000 et cetera, so that they are very deeply connected and 1422 01:10:12,039 --> 01:10:14,640 work together interesting they support each other. 1423 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:18,760 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word. From our sponsor 1424 01:10:22,359 --> 01:10:26,520 and now back to the show. Interesting. 1425 01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,640 Speaker 2: So I feel like that there's medicine there. If you 1426 01:10:28,680 --> 01:10:30,960 really do your deep dive and your research in regards 1427 01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,479 to the medicine that a tiger could carry, you'll find 1428 01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,840 that there's a lot of that that you embody. 1429 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:39,720 Speaker 1: Now, is there any is there any totem of animals 1430 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,520 that have long passed? Well, I mean obviously sas watch. 1431 01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:44,439 Isn't that something you hold on to? So like, do 1432 01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:48,199 you have the t rex? Maybe somebody can you connect 1433 01:10:48,239 --> 01:10:51,680 to the brontosaurus Like I've just asked the sabor to tiger. 1434 01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,119 Speaker 2: Like, maybe I've never heard of it, but it doesn't 1435 01:10:55,159 --> 01:10:56,239 mean that it's not possible. 1436 01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:58,920 Speaker 1: Well I get yeah, I mean they probably wouldn't have 1437 01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,000 been in the last ten thousand years or so where 1438 01:11:01,079 --> 01:11:03,560 a lot of this would have been started. 1439 01:11:03,399 --> 01:11:06,279 Speaker 2: Right in the well, I think it's it always existed. Yeah, 1440 01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:09,439 of course, first for primitive people. And I don't like 1441 01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:11,319 to call him primitive because it's you know, it's exactly, 1442 01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:14,600 it's just technologically primitive, you know, because we've all been 1443 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:18,039 quite advanced spiritually and connected to Mother Earth very deeply. 1444 01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:21,039 You know that transcends like probably one hundred thousands or 1445 01:11:21,239 --> 01:11:22,039 hundreds of thousands. 1446 01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:25,199 Speaker 1: I mean you look at like in the popular culture, 1447 01:11:25,199 --> 01:11:26,399 there was a movie called Black Panther. 1448 01:11:26,720 --> 01:11:30,359 Speaker 2: If you think about Neanderthals, yeah, yeah, like primitive people. 1449 01:11:30,119 --> 01:11:32,840 Speaker 1: Right right, So like in Black Panther, there was a lot, 1450 01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:35,960 like in the African cultures, all about animal totems, like 1451 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,199 a lot of like the jaguar and this and that. 1452 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,439 And when he went into the other side when he 1453 01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:44,039 died to become Black Panther. Do you ever see that movie? 1454 01:11:44,119 --> 01:11:45,920 Speaker 2: I did see Black Panthers. I don't really remember it 1455 01:11:45,960 --> 01:11:47,039 that well, but I remember so. 1456 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,560 Speaker 1: That he went when he was dying to become the 1457 01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,399 Black Panther, he had to go to the other side 1458 01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:55,039 where he met his ancestors and they were all panthers. 1459 01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:58,000 He came and then one of them came down and 1460 01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:00,399 that was his dad, but all of his all of 1461 01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,920 the other kings were all panthers sitting in the tree, 1462 01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:04,039 right and beautiful. 1463 01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:06,199 Speaker 2: I think, you know, and I'm not one hundred percent 1464 01:12:06,279 --> 01:12:07,560 sure of this. This would be only kind of a 1465 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:12,600 philosophy or thought process here that potentially we have benner animals. 1466 01:12:13,199 --> 01:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Oh you've bean, we've evolved too, right. 1467 01:12:15,479 --> 01:12:21,720 Speaker 2: We've chosen to live lives. We're spirit first and foremost, 1468 01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:24,720 we're just an orbit light and I think predominantly we 1469 01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:27,319 mostly take on the form from which we exist within now, 1470 01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:33,479 but throughout time, through the desire to gain knowledge and wisdom, 1471 01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:37,640 we may embody an animal as a spirit in the past, 1472 01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,439 and we may have deep spiritual connections that we why 1473 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,920 we're so kind of cross connected like angels, that there 1474 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:49,119 may have been experiences that we've had where we were 1475 01:12:49,199 --> 01:12:51,720 the tiger or where we were the eagle. And many 1476 01:12:51,960 --> 01:12:54,319 Indigenous people go into trance and they are the egle. 1477 01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:57,079 They will see the world from the eagle's point of view, 1478 01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:00,800 and you could call that in a set. And there's 1479 01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:05,479 this word shape shifter. Oh yeah, right, and that's a 1480 01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:09,079 kind of indigenous slaughter teaching. It's where our spirit and 1481 01:13:09,119 --> 01:13:11,439 the spirit of the animal from which you can embody it. 1482 01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,880 And there's people that talk about maybe becoming these animals, right, 1483 01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:16,920 But I don't necessarily feel that it's like a physical thing. 1484 01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:18,760 Speaker 1: Is that like skinwalkers or is that different? 1485 01:13:19,960 --> 01:13:21,039 Speaker 2: Maybe I don't. 1486 01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,479 Speaker 1: Know, Okay, yeah, I don't know a whole lot about 1487 01:13:22,479 --> 01:13:23,680 skinwalker chap shifting. 1488 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,439 Speaker 2: It's just that there's there's people that you know that 1489 01:13:26,479 --> 01:13:29,560 have experienced people becoming an animal or an animal becoming 1490 01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:32,039 a person, et cetera. And it could be a spiritual 1491 01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:34,840 thing as well, not necessarily a physical person doing this. 1492 01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:36,800 It could be a spirit that is able to kind 1493 01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:38,239 of transcend those different forms. 1494 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:41,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to have to test you now, Sean on 1495 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:43,319 eighties television. 1496 01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:45,840 Speaker 2: Shows, Okay, I might be good at this one. 1497 01:13:46,399 --> 01:13:49,640 Speaker 1: I think I have you and I are similar similar vintage. 1498 01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,479 As they say, there was a move. There was a 1499 01:13:52,520 --> 01:13:54,560 show had only one season, but back then there wasn't 1500 01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,199 a lot of content, so it was a show. I'll 1501 01:13:57,279 --> 01:14:00,760 never forget it, and it's a pretty bad showal I 1502 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,399 didn't see you that. So Manimal was a dude who 1503 01:14:04,439 --> 01:14:08,039 can literally would transform into three animals, really a panther, 1504 01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:12,399 either an eagle or a bird of some sort, and 1505 01:14:12,680 --> 01:14:15,880 it was some other I forgot the third animal, but 1506 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:20,800 the transformations were the same guy who did like the 1507 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:25,119 werewolf in London America that whole and the whiskers are 1508 01:14:25,159 --> 01:14:27,520 coming out and it was so bad. 1509 01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:30,079 Speaker 2: He looked so horrible. 1510 01:14:31,079 --> 01:14:32,960 Speaker 1: Anyone who wants to have a good time just go 1511 01:14:33,039 --> 01:14:37,199 to YouTube and type in Manimal opening and you'll just 1512 01:14:37,319 --> 01:14:40,039 see this just because because back then all of them 1513 01:14:40,079 --> 01:14:41,600 had like this like minute min and a half long 1514 01:14:41,640 --> 01:14:43,880 opening of the show, like the A Team and all 1515 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:45,880 those guys, and they had an opening, and it's just 1516 01:14:45,960 --> 01:14:49,880 him transforming into an eagle, a panther and something else. 1517 01:14:49,920 --> 01:14:51,119 And that's how he would fight crime. 1518 01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:55,600 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, I don't I've never experienced anything 1519 01:14:55,600 --> 01:14:57,079 like where I've seen somebody kind of transform. 1520 01:14:57,119 --> 01:14:58,079 Speaker 1: I mean, that's all I would say. 1521 01:14:58,119 --> 01:15:00,319 Speaker 2: And indigenous culture, it's more of a ceremonial f where 1522 01:15:00,319 --> 01:15:03,039 you can go into trance and maybe connect to the 1523 01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:05,039 spirit of the ego and become one with the ego 1524 01:15:05,079 --> 01:15:05,520 for a moment. 1525 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:06,680 Speaker 1: Let me, let me. I want to talk to you 1526 01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:10,680 about this, the trance. So from my understand, when you're saying, 1527 01:15:10,720 --> 01:15:12,960 like you go, you know, you have a ceremony and 1528 01:15:13,079 --> 01:15:16,159 either it's with is it either with a plant medicine 1529 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:17,800 or sometimes without plant medicine. 1530 01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:20,239 Speaker 2: Well, we don't normally use plant medicine in your in 1531 01:15:20,279 --> 01:15:21,439 you in my culture. 1532 01:15:21,119 --> 01:15:24,000 Speaker 1: In your culture, Okay, yeah, so you're not taking pod No, 1533 01:15:24,680 --> 01:15:25,439 I will be though. 1534 01:15:26,399 --> 01:15:28,720 Speaker 2: I think in the winter, me and my wife and 1535 01:15:29,159 --> 01:15:32,000 her oldest daughter might be going We're going to rub 1536 01:15:32,119 --> 01:15:33,760 for a little bit because we love it there. But 1537 01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,640 we're going to go to Peru and they my wife's 1538 01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,359 already done like some ceremonies with some elders down there, 1539 01:15:38,920 --> 01:15:41,520 and I'm interested in maybe like giving it a go. 1540 01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:45,560 Speaker 1: Please report back. I want to know what happens. Please 1541 01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:46,399 hear that. 1542 01:15:46,520 --> 01:15:48,560 Speaker 2: But she said some pretty awesome experiences. 1543 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:53,319 Speaker 1: And so when you're doing these ceremonies, it's more like like, okay, 1544 01:15:53,359 --> 01:15:55,520 so in your in your culture, do they do a 1545 01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:56,399 sweat law a sweat? 1546 01:15:56,399 --> 01:15:56,960 Speaker 2: We do sweats? 1547 01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so sweats. So when you're in a and 1548 01:15:59,479 --> 01:16:00,840 with it called sweat. 1549 01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,880 Speaker 2: It's just a sweat lodge. But the ceremony that takes 1550 01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:05,279 place as a ceremony sweat ceremony. 1551 01:16:05,359 --> 01:16:07,680 Speaker 1: Right, So you go into this tepe if you will, 1552 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,399 that's or it's a hot right yeah, and you're it's hot. 1553 01:16:12,079 --> 01:16:14,279 It's it's a sauna. It's like a sauna. And then 1554 01:16:14,319 --> 01:16:17,800 I guess during that process you and you're in there 1555 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:18,319 for a while. 1556 01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:20,119 Speaker 2: It's not like you're in there, well, there's different rounds 1557 01:16:20,119 --> 01:16:22,119 in each round represent different things. 1558 01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,279 Speaker 1: So you you'll die if you stay No, you're. 1559 01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,000 Speaker 2: Right, and you can stay in there, but we open 1560 01:16:26,079 --> 01:16:28,760 the door between rounds right to get some air, Yeah, 1561 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,960 because it gets hotter each round. The fourth round is 1562 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:33,359 the hottest. And you know, I've seen things in sweat 1563 01:16:33,359 --> 01:16:36,079 ceremonies that are so I've seen spirits or people. I'm 1564 01:16:36,399 --> 01:16:38,279 usually I'm told by elders not to say too much 1565 01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:40,439 except just focus and what I'm there to do, which 1566 01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,800 is like you know, the different rounds. Is a pipe 1567 01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:45,880 ceremony in the sweat ceremony as well as there's usually 1568 01:16:46,119 --> 01:16:48,840 a pipe carrier one that that would say the prayers 1569 01:16:48,880 --> 01:16:51,680 are leaded the ceremony itself, and then we all would 1570 01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:53,640 pass the pipe. We all pass water. Sometimes we will 1571 01:16:53,680 --> 01:16:57,359 pass berries and share food, but will pray for for 1572 01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,000 other people, will pray for everybody in the sweat lodge 1573 01:17:00,079 --> 01:17:01,680 will be around for that. There'll be a prayer for, 1574 01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:05,199 you know, the women of the world that are in 1575 01:17:05,239 --> 01:17:06,159 your life, et cetera. 1576 01:17:06,359 --> 01:17:08,520 Speaker 1: Is it is it a way in that specifically in 1577 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,359 this ceremony. Is it a way to kind of just 1578 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:14,399 break down the physical It's a both prayer. Yeah, but 1579 01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:18,039 the heat, the heat hospital East is breaking you down 1580 01:17:18,039 --> 01:17:21,039 to the point where you're just opening yourself up to 1581 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:22,720 what's happening because the. 1582 01:17:23,319 --> 01:17:24,720 Speaker 2: Heat is just it's a lot. 1583 01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,399 Speaker 1: It's a lot, so your body is like freaking out 1584 01:17:27,800 --> 01:17:29,119 and your mind could Finally. 1585 01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:31,960 Speaker 2: It's like rebirth one because you're almost like entering the womb, 1586 01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:35,079 re entering the womb, and then you're saying prayers connected 1587 01:17:35,119 --> 01:17:38,840 to Mother Earth and you know, the Great Spirit, et cetera. 1588 01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,279 And then you you you call upon them to kind 1589 01:17:41,279 --> 01:17:43,079 of hear your prayers when you pray. During this, it's 1590 01:17:43,119 --> 01:17:46,479 really both prayers and ceremony when you're there. But the 1591 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,800 heat is it's it's a little bit of like when 1592 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,399 you're in a sweat, you're you know the energy that 1593 01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:55,159 that moisture because you pour water on the red hot rocks, 1594 01:17:55,159 --> 01:17:59,760 so you know that it amplifies your prayers the ceremony. 1595 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:03,199 But it's also a little bit about suffering. Yeah, right, 1596 01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:05,479 because when when you suffer, because life is it can 1597 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:06,840 be struggle, and we do suffer. 1598 01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:07,359 Speaker 1: Stop it. 1599 01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:09,600 Speaker 2: And if you're praying for somebody that you know is 1600 01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:13,680 going through cancer, right, we can go there and pray 1601 01:18:13,720 --> 01:18:17,000 for that person, but we're suffering. And we believe that 1602 01:18:17,079 --> 01:18:20,039 when we suffer and we pray for them, we're taking 1603 01:18:20,039 --> 01:18:23,399 some of their suffering away from them. So we're trying 1604 01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,640 to help them even though they may be still making 1605 01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,039 their journey home to the spirit world. We're trying to 1606 01:18:28,039 --> 01:18:30,319 make it easier for them through our ceremony, through a 1607 01:18:30,359 --> 01:18:32,680 prayers of words, and maybe taking on some of the 1608 01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,359 pain that they may not have to carry through that process. 1609 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:40,880 Speaker 1: That's okay, all right. So then so other ceremonies when 1610 01:18:40,880 --> 01:18:45,600 you're connecting to the animal energy or the animal totem right, 1611 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:50,880 is this kind of a form of meditation channeling? 1612 01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:54,600 Speaker 2: Well, exactly, there's different ceremonies. There's one ceremony where you 1613 01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:56,680 could go without food or water for four days and 1614 01:18:56,720 --> 01:18:58,119 sit in a spot in the forest. 1615 01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Well, that'll do it. Yeah, you'll start seeing something. 1616 01:19:00,399 --> 01:19:02,640 Speaker 2: You will and you think I'm hearing people here, wait 1617 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,640 till you're out there, and you'll be here for you'll 1618 01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,359 hear a lot of them come tell you all kinds 1619 01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:10,439 of stuff. And you'll be challenged too, you know, with 1620 01:19:10,520 --> 01:19:13,039 different spirits, because they they will try to get you 1621 01:19:13,119 --> 01:19:15,720 to come out of the circle. I've heard people have 1622 01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:19,279 spirit people come to them and even like earth bounce 1623 01:19:19,399 --> 01:19:21,560 or like earth bound spirits that will then try to 1624 01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:24,079 kind of like stop you from your ceremony. 1625 01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:28,600 Speaker 1: And so in in the show Yellowstone. Yeah, you've seen 1626 01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:29,439 you know about that shop. 1627 01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:30,359 Speaker 2: I have seen Yellowstone. 1628 01:19:30,399 --> 01:19:30,560 Speaker 1: Yeah. 1629 01:19:30,560 --> 01:19:32,119 Speaker 2: I actually kind of liked the show though for a while. 1630 01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:34,279 Speaker 1: It's a great show. It was, It was a great show. 1631 01:19:34,479 --> 01:19:38,720 There was this because they are cowboys in Montana, but 1632 01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,359 they're really connected to the land. Yes, and they're connected 1633 01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:44,560 to the indigenous. And one part of it, she's he 1634 01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:46,680 was married. The character I'm talking about was married to 1635 01:19:46,720 --> 01:19:49,800 an Indigenous woman, so he needed to go out to 1636 01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,680 do us that. He went out to the into nature. Yes, 1637 01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:56,840 And they and the the Indians were putting a circle. 1638 01:19:56,520 --> 01:19:57,039 Speaker 2: Around, right. 1639 01:19:57,079 --> 01:19:58,720 Speaker 1: You stay in your circle, and you stay in your circle. 1640 01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:02,399 And in that time that when the spirits would come 1641 01:20:02,399 --> 01:20:04,399 in trying to get them out, and they and they 1642 01:20:04,520 --> 01:20:07,159 literally said this to that, like in the show, they're like, 1643 01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:10,479 they're going to try to tempt you. No. And there 1644 01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:13,319 was a wolf that kept that kind of brought him in. 1645 01:20:13,359 --> 01:20:15,760 But that was his total his totem. His totem was 1646 01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:20,119 the wolf, you know, the protector this or that and God, 1647 01:20:20,159 --> 01:20:22,479 it's fascinating that they pulled from they pulled from this 1648 01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:24,600 story to incorporate it enough. 1649 01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's it's very accurate. It's an indigenous ceremony. 1650 01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:28,800 It is very accurate. So people have had. 1651 01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:30,479 Speaker 1: Two three days, you have to three days where days 1652 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:30,960 no food, no. 1653 01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,119 Speaker 2: Water, no food or of water. And and it has 1654 01:20:33,159 --> 01:20:36,279 to be something that is overseen by an elder because 1655 01:20:36,279 --> 01:20:37,680 they have to keep an eye on you and keep 1656 01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,039 checking on you. And then after the you start the 1657 01:20:40,039 --> 01:20:41,239 whole ceremony with a sweat. 1658 01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,520 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 1659 01:20:49,119 --> 01:20:50,399 and now back to the show. 1660 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:55,840 Speaker 2: So you're already a little bit dehydrated, and you can 1661 01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:57,359 drink some water in the sweat, but only like a 1662 01:20:57,359 --> 01:20:59,960 spoonful here and there through the rounds, because you pass 1663 01:21:00,119 --> 01:21:02,720 water around as well. And then after that you go 1664 01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:05,640 into the circle. You know an elder will come and 1665 01:21:05,880 --> 01:21:09,000 oversee you, and then you'll have visions. You'll start to 1666 01:21:09,119 --> 01:21:11,039 you may embody the spirit of the eagle, you may 1667 01:21:11,039 --> 01:21:13,119 embody the spirit of the wolf or the bear, and 1668 01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:16,359 maybe there's like a message that you will receive because 1669 01:21:16,399 --> 01:21:18,840 of that, how you need to approach a certain situation 1670 01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:21,760 or an aspect of life that you need to get stronger. 1671 01:21:21,800 --> 01:21:25,199 And and and then you end it with a sweat, 1672 01:21:26,720 --> 01:21:29,640 and then you start saying stuff, Yeah, it's it's it's 1673 01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:32,760 it's it's you know, you're into an altered state of reality. 1674 01:21:32,880 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 1: That's what I was That's the word I was looking for. 1675 01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:37,199 You become you go into an altered state. So not 1676 01:21:37,239 --> 01:21:40,560 taking payete, you're sweating it out of you. 1677 01:21:40,520 --> 01:21:44,520 Speaker 2: You're you're an inner dimensional space and time, so you're 1678 01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,119 you have a foot in both, yes, worlds, you're in 1679 01:21:47,159 --> 01:21:48,279 both worlds at that time. 1680 01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:50,439 Speaker 1: That's amazing. So that's kind of what. 1681 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:53,239 Speaker 2: And there's that levels of energy, right, the higher level 1682 01:21:53,279 --> 01:21:55,760 of energy. There's a low earth bound energy right where 1683 01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:59,239 some spirits reside and some animals and creatures reside as well. 1684 01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:01,560 And you know in your spirits kind of like crossing 1685 01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:03,479 between all of those levels of energy. 1686 01:22:03,399 --> 01:22:07,079 Speaker 1: Is the consciousness of humanity. Right now, do we like 1687 01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:09,840 when you connect to a certain animal, do we kind 1688 01:22:09,840 --> 01:22:11,920 of evolve to another animal? So like I started off 1689 01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:14,520 as the wolf and then now I really like, how 1690 01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:15,039 does that work? 1691 01:22:15,119 --> 01:22:17,600 Speaker 2: Well, you know, when I was young, I was drawn 1692 01:22:17,640 --> 01:22:20,560 to polar bears, but you know, never thought anything of it, right, 1693 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,439 never thought anything of it until it came to me 1694 01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,079 in the dream. And then you know, now, let it 1695 01:22:24,159 --> 01:22:26,880 receives six different parts of the bears, et cetera. But 1696 01:22:27,000 --> 01:22:29,239 I don't believe that they leave you. I feel like 1697 01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:31,119 we gain more medicines. 1698 01:22:31,279 --> 01:22:33,239 Speaker 1: So you just keep You have a tribe of the 1699 01:22:33,359 --> 01:22:36,479 animals the stages of life, so explain these four us. 1700 01:22:36,520 --> 01:22:38,880 Speaker 2: So like the infancy of stage of life, there may 1701 01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:41,039 be one or two animals. It could be a spirit 1702 01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:42,479 and power tone them not as with you in the 1703 01:22:42,479 --> 01:22:44,680 infancy stage of your life. As you move into the 1704 01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,000 U stage of your life, there could be two new 1705 01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:48,199 animals that present themselves. 1706 01:22:48,199 --> 01:22:49,319 Speaker 1: But the other guys haven't left. 1707 01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:53,000 Speaker 2: No, They're still part of your tribe. There's still part 1708 01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,359 of your soul group. Right, just like the bear has 1709 01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:57,359 been showing up all my life, but I didn't really 1710 01:22:57,399 --> 01:23:00,399 know how strong it was connected to me to later 1711 01:23:01,239 --> 01:23:03,039 and the eagle. You know, I've just recently I just 1712 01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:05,520 met an elder when I was up in Fredericton doing 1713 01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:07,479 my event, which is a province in Canada, and she 1714 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,239 gifted me an eaglehead, and she's gifted me an eagle talent. 1715 01:23:12,439 --> 01:23:14,159 And I have to take it to attacks Dermis to 1716 01:23:14,319 --> 01:23:15,800 kind of finalize it so that I can put it 1717 01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,119 on a staff or something like that. But she says, 1718 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,600 and this is where she goes in the trance sometimes 1719 01:23:21,399 --> 01:23:24,039 and different elders do. They receive a gift of an 1720 01:23:24,079 --> 01:23:26,720 animal from like a wildlife park or somebody that is 1721 01:23:26,760 --> 01:23:28,840 like an eagle's like died on the power lines and 1722 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,279 they found the remains. And then indigenous people can go 1723 01:23:32,359 --> 01:23:35,199 to the natural resources and say, you know, do you 1724 01:23:35,279 --> 01:23:37,239 have any that I can use? And they'll say, yes, 1725 01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,880 we've just discovered this eagle. They'll take it, they'll do ceremony, 1726 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,279 and then they'll go into their ceremony and they'll be 1727 01:23:44,399 --> 01:23:46,960 told by spirit which parts are supposed to go to 1728 01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:51,119 which people. So the spirit had come to her and said, 1729 01:23:51,159 --> 01:23:54,239 I need to give Sean this eagle head, and I 1730 01:23:54,279 --> 01:23:56,600 have to give him the talent or the claw as well. 1731 01:23:57,039 --> 01:24:00,720 So she recently gifted me those home, and I have 1732 01:24:00,760 --> 01:24:03,399 to kind of like care for those and finish the process. 1733 01:24:03,439 --> 01:24:05,800 And and and on top of this, somebody just called 1734 01:24:05,840 --> 01:24:08,239 me and said, because I live in Nova Scotia in 1735 01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:11,039 the ocean, she said, Sean, I just found this eagle 1736 01:24:11,079 --> 01:24:15,119 that washed ashore. I can't keep it because it's illegal 1737 01:24:15,159 --> 01:24:18,119 for me to have, but I've saved it and I 1738 01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:20,920 think that you may want this and you to have 1739 01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:23,119 it I can have it as indigenous people in Canada, 1740 01:24:23,159 --> 01:24:25,600 we can have the remains of animals that are especially 1741 01:24:25,880 --> 01:24:29,039 in danger or protected. But we're using it. We're not 1742 01:24:29,159 --> 01:24:32,800 killing the animals for right, especially protected animals. That doesn't 1743 01:24:32,840 --> 01:24:35,239 mean that. And if you're at the bar nation, you 1744 01:24:35,239 --> 01:24:36,399 probably don't go bear. 1745 01:24:36,279 --> 01:24:40,159 Speaker 1: Hunting, right, You're not killing you know, you don't. 1746 01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,359 Speaker 2: Care the buffalo. You don't eat the buffalo. But could 1747 01:24:42,399 --> 01:24:43,239 I go moose hunting? 1748 01:24:43,319 --> 01:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Yeah? 1749 01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:46,520 Speaker 2: I could, And but I would still respect that animal 1750 01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:49,199 and honor the medicine that that animal I would. I would, 1751 01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:52,079 I would, I would every bite of that animal that 1752 01:24:52,119 --> 01:24:54,239 I would eat, I would honor it and thank it 1753 01:24:54,920 --> 01:24:56,880 for the sessence in a life that it's given me. 1754 01:24:57,359 --> 01:25:00,119 And that happened just about a year and a half ago. 1755 01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,800 I'm not hunted my whole life. I hunted when I 1756 01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:05,920 was young, That's not true. I used to rabbit hunt 1757 01:25:05,920 --> 01:25:08,520 and stuff. And but I had a dream where I 1758 01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:11,319 was in this in the forest and I saw a 1759 01:25:11,319 --> 01:25:14,000 bunch of moose walking through the forest and one stopped 1760 01:25:14,039 --> 01:25:17,960 and looked at me, and I woke up. I told Michelle, 1761 01:25:18,079 --> 01:25:21,039 I said, Michelle, it's so weird because I know I don't. 1762 01:25:21,079 --> 01:25:24,319 I'm not. I don't have moose medicine that I carry, 1763 01:25:24,359 --> 01:25:28,039 but I had this dream of these moose. Later that afternoon, 1764 01:25:28,079 --> 01:25:30,359 I need to call from an elder and your Bronswil says, Sean, 1765 01:25:30,399 --> 01:25:33,319 we're going moose hunting. You should come with us. I'm like, 1766 01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:37,479 and my wife's going like, that's not an accident. So 1767 01:25:38,319 --> 01:25:41,039 we go up to New Brunswick and I don't have 1768 01:25:41,079 --> 01:25:42,760 a license, but as an Indigenous person, if you go 1769 01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:44,119 with an elder, I don't even know own a gun. 1770 01:25:45,319 --> 01:25:50,720 So were I'm staying at their camp. This is her 1771 01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:55,159 name's Juliette Barnaby from Listiguish in near Quebec and Brunswick border. 1772 01:25:55,920 --> 01:25:59,000 And so we go to our camp. We get up 1773 01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:01,000 the next day, we go for a little drive just 1774 01:26:01,039 --> 01:26:02,960 to see if they're a moose, and I have a 1775 01:26:02,960 --> 01:26:05,760 psychic vision. This is where I'm like, did we drive 1776 01:26:05,800 --> 01:26:08,000 by here? I'm seeing moose tracks some head and he 1777 01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:10,199 just jams on his brakes and goes, oh, look there's 1778 01:26:10,199 --> 01:26:13,119 thirteen moose up on the hill. And it was just 1779 01:26:13,239 --> 01:26:16,359 like the dream that I had. And he says, if 1780 01:26:16,399 --> 01:26:19,159 you're going to take a moose, now is the time. 1781 01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:22,279 So I got out. He prepared the gun for me, 1782 01:26:22,439 --> 01:26:24,840 told me where to shoot a name, and had to 1783 01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:28,319 dial in the scope and the moose and he said, well, 1784 01:26:28,319 --> 01:26:30,880 there's a buck off in the trees, but there was 1785 01:26:30,920 --> 01:26:32,800 only one standing in the clear. And it was like 1786 01:26:32,840 --> 01:26:35,039 she presented herself to me, just like in the dream. 1787 01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,079 And I took the shot and it ended her life. 1788 01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,039 And then I said, should we go up? He says, no, 1789 01:26:44,079 --> 01:26:47,279 you give her time to make her transition. So we 1790 01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:49,760 went have breakfast. We came back. I brought my tobacco, 1791 01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,359 I laid tobacco in the animal. I put my hands 1792 01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:57,159 on her heart and I thanked her and I prayed 1793 01:26:57,159 --> 01:27:00,279 for her. And we're not that conscious of the we 1794 01:27:00,520 --> 01:27:01,880 when we go to the cag you know, and have 1795 01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,920 a stake, and we don't think about the life of 1796 01:27:03,960 --> 01:27:07,439 the animal that we maybe have taken just right. There's 1797 01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:11,279 a disconnection for understanding and respecting the animal nation. And 1798 01:27:11,359 --> 01:27:13,520 so he showed me everything I needed to do to 1799 01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,319 harvest that animal to bring home. And I have like 1800 01:27:15,359 --> 01:27:20,399 a whole freezer full of moose, and every meal I have, 1801 01:27:21,439 --> 01:27:25,640 I am grateful. I'm thankful, and I think about the moose. 1802 01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:28,399 And she lived her full life. You know, she was 1803 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,800 quite old older, so it was just everything aligned for 1804 01:27:31,840 --> 01:27:33,159 that to happen. And I knew it was an act. 1805 01:27:33,239 --> 01:27:36,760 Especially I'm writing the book, and I think Spirit wanted 1806 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:39,680 me to share the understanding that, you know, animals aren't 1807 01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:42,920 just our friends, you know. We we I mean the 1808 01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:45,520 plant nation as well, have life and spirits, you know, 1809 01:27:46,399 --> 01:27:48,520 but so all animals. And but we have to be 1810 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,239 respectful in honor of them and only take what we need, 1811 01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:52,479 not to abuse it. 1812 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:56,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the world's having a little bit of problem with 1813 01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:56,880 that right now. 1814 01:27:56,880 --> 01:27:58,840 Speaker 2: We are, and I think that's why the animal medicines 1815 01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:01,760 are coming back to the human nation now. Connecting the 1816 01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,079 people is to help us just be more conscious, more 1817 01:28:05,119 --> 01:28:10,359 connected and know that that that finite balance between all nations. 1818 01:28:10,600 --> 01:28:14,359 Speaker 1: How can you tell have you had experience with this 1819 01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:18,159 where animals come to you as messengers? Yes, not only 1820 01:28:18,199 --> 01:28:22,439 in dreams and in spirit, but in real life. Like 1821 01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:27,319 I've heard so many stories of birds that just keep 1822 01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:30,800 landing on your in a place after someone that's passed, 1823 01:28:31,279 --> 01:28:33,520 and like she loved blue jays, and all of a sudden, 1824 01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,119 blue jay is always outside the window. 1825 01:28:36,319 --> 01:28:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, well my dad used to like after my dad passed, 1826 01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,199 I started getting blue jays would just show up and 1827 01:28:41,239 --> 01:28:44,880 just squawk at me, just like squawking at me. And 1828 01:28:45,159 --> 01:28:47,359 before that didn't happen, No, nothing like this, And it 1829 01:28:47,399 --> 01:28:49,800 was just it was actually kind of abnormal, like how 1830 01:28:49,840 --> 01:28:52,079 many blue jays were coming around, and then blue jay 1831 01:28:52,079 --> 01:28:55,319 feathers start showing up. I start getting blue jay feathers, 1832 01:28:56,039 --> 01:28:58,199 and uh. And I remember after my dad died a 1833 01:28:58,199 --> 01:29:00,000 long time after, like I hadn't gone a blue jay 1834 01:29:00,119 --> 01:29:01,960 feather in a long time, and me and my mom 1835 01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:03,720 are going for breakfast and she goes, do you think 1836 01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:06,000 you still feel them around? I said, oh, absolutely, I 1837 01:29:06,039 --> 01:29:08,079 feel dad around. You know. Get out of the we 1838 01:29:08,119 --> 01:29:11,720 went for breakfast, we come back and right where my 1839 01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:14,119 my my car door was, there was a blue jay 1840 01:29:14,159 --> 01:29:17,039 feather sitting there. I'm like, what's the odds of that? Mom? 1841 01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:20,199 You know, you know that that we just spoke about 1842 01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:22,840 them and you're asking me if I feel them around, 1843 01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,159 and then that there's a blue jay feather there. It's 1844 01:29:25,159 --> 01:29:29,359 not an accident. I mean, spirit people can use animals 1845 01:29:29,399 --> 01:29:32,479 as messengers to remind you that they're still with us. 1846 01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,520 So there's this cooperation or connection to the animal nation 1847 01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:36,159 even with. 1848 01:29:36,159 --> 01:29:41,079 Speaker 1: Spirit and do when when they do communicate with you, 1849 01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:45,960 is it that's one version of communication, which is spirit 1850 01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:48,800 using animals or partnering with animals to give us information. 1851 01:29:49,479 --> 01:29:52,359 But how about if it's your totem. Yeah, now, hopefully 1852 01:29:52,359 --> 01:29:54,279 a polar b is not going to show up, and 1853 01:29:54,319 --> 01:29:56,359 for me, hopefully a tiger is not going to show up. 1854 01:29:57,279 --> 01:30:01,039 But let's say you have a more not kinder, but 1855 01:30:01,119 --> 01:30:04,279 more domesticated animal. Yeah, like if you're connected. But that's 1856 01:30:04,279 --> 01:30:06,720 a perfect example if you're connected to the feline world. 1857 01:30:08,319 --> 01:30:10,840 We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor 1858 01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:19,520 and now back to the show. You know, uh, I 1859 01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:22,640 assume tigers are part of the feline actually there right? Yeah, yeah, 1860 01:30:22,680 --> 01:30:25,039 like the dogs are part of the of the wolf fish. Yeah, 1861 01:30:25,039 --> 01:30:30,039 of course, so is a representation of my I'm gonna 1862 01:30:30,119 --> 01:30:34,039 use me as an adol the tiger my cats will 1863 01:30:34,079 --> 01:30:37,319 have they will give me some sort of message or 1864 01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:40,800 is there a way to communicate because I told this 1865 01:30:40,840 --> 01:30:43,279 story the other day on one of the episodes, and 1866 01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:45,600 I think it's very important to tell the story again, 1867 01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,319 So please forgive me if you've heard this. Guys, my 1868 01:30:48,520 --> 01:30:51,880 dog it was a very sick. He was very he 1869 01:30:51,920 --> 01:30:55,279 was paralyzed for the last five years of his life. 1870 01:30:55,600 --> 01:30:57,359 And I took care of him when I was a kid. 1871 01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:00,000 Just in the back, yeah yeah, just in the back. 1872 01:31:00,039 --> 01:31:06,760 Yeah yeah. Yeah, he's so he you know, I probably 1873 01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,960 kept him alive longer than he should have because he 1874 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:11,960 crawled around and yeah it was diaper and all this time. Yeah, so, 1875 01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,000 but I did that for and he taught me valuable 1876 01:31:16,079 --> 01:31:21,680 lessons about everything. He was with me and I was 1877 01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:24,079 a bachelor and all this kind of stuff. And and 1878 01:31:24,119 --> 01:31:26,720 then I met my wife. And then about a month 1879 01:31:26,760 --> 01:31:28,640 after we were dating, was the first time she came over. 1880 01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,239 She came over, she met him. The next day, he left. 1881 01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:37,479 He died the next day. He's kind of like, thank God, 1882 01:31:38,359 --> 01:31:43,279 I can rest now, Jesus frick two years later, right, 1883 01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,520 I can't take this guy anymore. He's yours kind of energy. 1884 01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:50,399 And I have a picture of him. I keep him 1885 01:31:50,399 --> 01:31:52,600 the house all the time, and my daughter's asked him 1886 01:31:52,600 --> 01:31:55,880 about and we have a little a little uh Christmas 1887 01:31:55,880 --> 01:31:57,920 tree ornament that my mom gave me. That's a little 1888 01:31:58,279 --> 01:32:00,880 a little he was a corky. It's a little corky 1889 01:32:00,920 --> 01:32:03,039 with a little halo, and he always goes at the 1890 01:32:03,079 --> 01:32:05,720 top of the tree. Every Christmas, and you know, my 1891 01:32:05,800 --> 01:32:07,720 kids know about him and all this kind of stuff. 1892 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,800 So it was he was communicating with me in that way. 1893 01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:15,479 He just there was a connection. There was. 1894 01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:17,479 Speaker 2: I mean, he's part of your soul family, right, there's 1895 01:32:17,479 --> 01:32:22,039 no question you have a across cultural connection in relation 1896 01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,319 to many lifetimes too. So I feel like the fact 1897 01:32:24,359 --> 01:32:25,840 that he showed up in your lifetime, and I feel 1898 01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,720 like animals can show up in your lifetime more than once. 1899 01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,159 Speaker 1: Well I have. I have a couple of cats now and. 1900 01:32:31,159 --> 01:32:33,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you swear they're probably a cat from another time. 1901 01:32:33,239 --> 01:32:35,439 Speaker 1: Right, Oh well, I mean one of them definitely is. 1902 01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:37,760 And the other one, man, he just came up and 1903 01:32:37,760 --> 01:32:40,760 he's like when we went to the to the the shelter, 1904 01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,039 we were picked up. When we got him, my daughter, 1905 01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:46,079 my daughter one is like, I want a dog. I'm like, 1906 01:32:46,119 --> 01:32:48,680 I'm not getting you a dog. It's way too much 1907 01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:49,920 work and I'm going to have to deal with it. 1908 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:52,399 So no, yeah, okay, I'll make it. We'll get you 1909 01:32:52,439 --> 01:32:53,960 another cat. So like we had one cat in the 1910 01:32:54,039 --> 01:32:56,079 run for one daughter and we got the other cat 1911 01:32:56,119 --> 01:32:59,600 for the other one. He just came up and just boom, 1912 01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:03,319 head butts, boom. He but it's the most loving cat ever. Yeah, 1913 01:33:04,039 --> 01:33:06,640 and then he attached himself to my wife. Yeah, that's it, 1914 01:33:06,760 --> 01:33:10,159 that's that's his person. Right, I'm second, but that he 1915 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:13,479 number one. He doesn't even look at the girls. 1916 01:33:13,399 --> 01:33:16,000 Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, because we were like a fascinated I have 1917 01:33:16,079 --> 01:33:19,600 little dash Outs, oh yeah, little long haired dash Outs 1918 01:33:19,640 --> 01:33:22,760 and the Scout and my my my second one is 1919 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:28,279 called Obi one. Yes, well played, sir. And uh Anyway, 1920 01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:31,399 when when I met because we we had Scout. He 1921 01:33:31,520 --> 01:33:33,520 you know, he's probably four or five years old, and 1922 01:33:33,560 --> 01:33:35,600 I felt that he needed a little companion because we're 1923 01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:38,479 I travel and I think he needs a little friendly 1924 01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:39,960 just to kim and keep him company and keep him 1925 01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:41,720 young too, because I mean he just wants to sleep 1926 01:33:41,720 --> 01:33:43,720 all the time, and him and the cat don't get 1927 01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,239 along necessarily. So I feel that it was really good 1928 01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:47,880 for him to have some another brother. 1929 01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:49,319 Speaker 1: Sure, so we get Obie. 1930 01:33:50,000 --> 01:33:54,800 Speaker 2: But when I met Obi, I recognized him. I when 1931 01:33:54,800 --> 01:33:56,239 I saw him, I used to have a dog when 1932 01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:57,800 I was young, and he was he was he went 1933 01:33:57,880 --> 01:34:00,560 vicious unfortunately, and he got hit by car. He was 1934 01:34:00,600 --> 01:34:04,560 just a puppy. And when I met this this this 1935 01:34:04,920 --> 01:34:07,239 little Obie, right, and I hadn't named him at the 1936 01:34:07,239 --> 01:34:08,960 time when I knew him. When I met him, I 1937 01:34:09,000 --> 01:34:10,760 knew I had to name Himoby. I'm like, I know 1938 01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:14,600 this dog, I know him, I met him before. And 1939 01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,760 we never got to finish our karma. We never got 1940 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,479 to work out what we needed to work out. And 1941 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,800 I feel like he came back to me to kind. 1942 01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:24,920 Speaker 1: Of work at karma between Karma's experience between us. 1943 01:34:25,000 --> 01:34:28,600 Speaker 2: Yes, there's we're learning from everybody's teaching everybody everything, and 1944 01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:30,359 our pet family are teaching those things too. 1945 01:34:30,640 --> 01:34:32,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean I literally had to take care 1946 01:34:32,399 --> 01:34:36,640 of a you know, a a paralyzed dog right five 1947 01:34:36,720 --> 01:34:38,199 years right in my twenties. 1948 01:34:38,479 --> 01:34:39,920 Speaker 2: And so when did you have your children? 1949 01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:42,920 Speaker 1: I had my children when I was in my late thirties. 1950 01:34:43,000 --> 01:34:44,880 Speaker 2: Okay, so your wife now, is she the mother of 1951 01:34:44,880 --> 01:34:45,359 your children? 1952 01:34:45,600 --> 01:34:48,479 Speaker 1: I would hope. So I remember, I don't know that 1953 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:51,000 I was in the home when they came out. 1954 01:34:51,439 --> 01:34:53,439 Speaker 2: Not to be offensive, I just don't know your your 1955 01:34:53,560 --> 01:34:56,279 your back, yes, of course, yes, yes, But what was 1956 01:34:56,319 --> 01:34:57,600 he teaching about being a parent? 1957 01:34:58,359 --> 01:35:03,039 Speaker 1: Oh? Absolutely, up being responsible about thinking about outside of myself. 1958 01:35:03,079 --> 01:35:04,680 I was twenty in my twenties, I was just. 1959 01:35:04,840 --> 01:35:06,960 Speaker 2: And we all are we all have that ego from 1960 01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:09,039 which we learned from as we're younger and we grow 1961 01:35:09,039 --> 01:35:11,520 and mature. But he was teaching you some things about, 1962 01:35:11,800 --> 01:35:15,479 you know, being a caregiver, being a father, being a parent, 1963 01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:17,840 and being and how to be a nurture or caregiver 1964 01:35:17,960 --> 01:35:20,079 to people, so that when you did become a dad 1965 01:35:20,119 --> 01:35:22,399 and meet your wife, hence when you met her, you know, 1966 01:35:22,439 --> 01:35:25,039 he didn't need to teach you this. This the next 1967 01:35:25,079 --> 01:35:27,840 part of your life. You know, the next part of 1968 01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:31,600 your experience is now unfolding. You don't need me, your 1969 01:35:31,640 --> 01:35:34,239 family's coming now, I'm good. Now I prepared you for this. 1970 01:35:35,159 --> 01:35:37,279 Speaker 1: Oh that's so powerful. I still remember the first day 1971 01:35:37,319 --> 01:35:39,520 I didn't want him. My mom got them for me. Yeah, 1972 01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:40,920 he's just She's like, I got want to get you 1973 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:44,479 a dollar and I'm like thanks, And she brought him 1974 01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:46,880 and I remember I was working at the video store. 1975 01:35:47,239 --> 01:35:49,800 I was eighteen, and she's like, I have a surprise 1976 01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,199 for you. And I go to the backseat of her 1977 01:35:51,199 --> 01:35:53,119 car and there he is as a puppy and I 1978 01:35:53,239 --> 01:35:55,359 go put my hand and he starts slicking me right away, 1979 01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,199 and it was just instant connect. It was instant connection. 1980 01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:02,199 And you know, I told him. I'm not gonna, I'm 1981 01:36:02,199 --> 01:36:04,119 not gonna feed him. I'm not gonna And then slowly 1982 01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:07,359 but surely, guess what I ended up taking care of him. 1983 01:36:07,920 --> 01:36:11,239 Speaker 2: What a unique, you know, experience to have with the 1984 01:36:11,319 --> 01:36:14,079 dog that is paralyzed from in the backside down from 1985 01:36:14,279 --> 01:36:14,960 probably here back. 1986 01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:17,119 Speaker 1: But it feels like, but so you say you see him. 1987 01:36:17,039 --> 01:36:18,880 Speaker 2: I see him. Yeah, I can see. I mean, I'm psychic, 1988 01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,119 so when I when we talk about things, I see things. 1989 01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:25,199 So this is what it's like to be me. It's 1990 01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:26,840 a it's a gift. That's like when I met Lisa 1991 01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:28,520 on stage and she was doing readings and I saw 1992 01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,840 this angel, right, you know, it's just things come to 1993 01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,000 me visually. And you know, maybe I think a lot 1994 01:36:34,039 --> 01:36:35,399 of things come to a lot of people. We just 1995 01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:36,600 don't pay attention to it. 1996 01:36:36,880 --> 01:36:40,520 Speaker 1: But I think we are becoming more aware are So 1997 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:45,119 It's like I was talking to Robert Edward Grant, who's 1998 01:36:45,560 --> 01:36:48,840 a polymath and he's an explorer. He's Tony Stark. He's 1999 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:53,520 Tony Stark, He's starting stock. But Tony Stark meets Indiana Jones. 2000 01:36:53,800 --> 01:36:56,920 He's the most interesting human being I know. And he 2001 01:36:57,079 --> 01:37:00,239 was starting to go to the Great Pyramids, and he 2002 01:37:00,279 --> 01:37:02,920 made discoveries at the Great Pyramids that he's starting to 2003 01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:05,920 see patterns inside the and he's proven this, I mean, 2004 01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:09,399 because he's extremely intelligent man. And he starts seeing patterns 2005 01:37:09,439 --> 01:37:12,600 in the King's chamber on the wall that has been 2006 01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:17,000 there for thousands of years and no one noticed them. 2007 01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:21,039 But then he starts pointing them out to the getologists 2008 01:37:21,239 --> 01:37:24,000 from the government and they're like, I can see them. 2009 01:37:24,000 --> 01:37:26,720 I'm not supposed to see them, but I can see them. 2010 01:37:26,840 --> 01:37:28,720 And now he just made a recent discovery. He's like, 2011 01:37:29,359 --> 01:37:31,159 he's doing research and he found that there's two other 2012 01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:34,640 pyramids on the plateau Wow, that no one has ever 2013 01:37:34,680 --> 01:37:37,239 seen before. But yet they're on like five hundred year 2014 01:37:37,279 --> 01:37:40,079 old maps and things like that. But now he goes 2015 01:37:40,079 --> 01:37:41,880 there and then he went to where they are and 2016 01:37:41,920 --> 01:37:46,520 there is a pile of it's not the remnants of 2017 01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:49,720 a pyramid because you're in the desert, so there's not 2018 01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:52,039 rocks like that in the desert. And then he's showing 2019 01:37:52,039 --> 01:37:54,199 you the cut lines. They're very eroded with the cut 2020 01:37:54,840 --> 01:37:57,359 and I asked him, I go, why is it, Robert, 2021 01:37:57,399 --> 01:38:00,520 that you're able to see these things now? And people 2022 01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:02,840 are starting to see these things now, but they've been 2023 01:38:02,880 --> 01:38:05,760 in front of us this entire time. And he said 2024 01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:09,159 something very profound, and he's like, well, our consciousness is raising, right, 2025 01:38:09,600 --> 01:38:13,600 we are, our vibration, our frequency is elevating to a 2026 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:15,640 point where we can see things that have been right 2027 01:38:15,800 --> 01:38:18,800 in front of us the entire time. That's that's kind 2028 01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:19,399 of goes along with. 2029 01:38:19,319 --> 01:38:23,079 Speaker 2: What I mean. Our ancestors. Yeah, you know, our loved 2030 01:38:23,119 --> 01:38:26,159 ones or ancestors that are in the spear world are 2031 01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:30,039 reconnecting to us stronger in a personal way. But we're 2032 01:38:30,119 --> 01:38:32,760 more aware, and they're revealing things to us that maybe 2033 01:38:32,800 --> 01:38:35,159 we've forgotten or we don't know, or we don't remember. 2034 01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:38,600 So they're infusing us with knowledge and wisdom. 2035 01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,359 Speaker 1: How do you because you, I mean, your culture seems 2036 01:38:41,359 --> 01:38:44,159 to be really connected to their ancestors. So you I 2037 01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:48,199 mean it's it's a verbal tradition mostly mostly mostly back 2038 01:38:48,199 --> 01:38:50,319 then you know, there wasn't but there's. 2039 01:38:50,159 --> 01:38:53,279 Speaker 2: Also I mean, well, we have ceremonies and indigenous culture 2040 01:38:53,279 --> 01:38:55,159 to connect to our ancestors. 2041 01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,159 Speaker 1: Right, So my point is that when you when you 2042 01:38:57,199 --> 01:39:01,039 connected to ancestors, there was always based on verbal or 2043 01:39:01,199 --> 01:39:03,880 oral tradition. Real, no, So how do you connect? So 2044 01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,720 how do you know five generations back or sent it 2045 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:06,560 generations back? 2046 01:39:06,640 --> 01:39:08,439 Speaker 2: Well, because a lot of our ceremonies, because this is 2047 01:39:08,439 --> 01:39:10,199 what I'm saying, a lot of things were lost because 2048 01:39:10,199 --> 01:39:14,279 of colonization, sure, and which is unfortunate, of course, and 2049 01:39:14,319 --> 01:39:17,560 some elders kept the wisdom. But many of our ceremonies 2050 01:39:17,560 --> 01:39:19,520 have been given back to us from our ancestors in 2051 01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:22,560 the spirit world that have reminded us and told and 2052 01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:25,039 taught you and taught you. You know, one of these 2053 01:39:25,800 --> 01:39:29,720 these ceremonies that I didn't know, but my ancestors, my people, 2054 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:32,000 and spirit told me about. We like, we have a 2055 01:39:32,039 --> 01:39:35,680 game called waltis waltas walts. It's a fun game. It's 2056 01:39:35,720 --> 01:39:39,119 a wooden maple bowl and there's like five to seven 2057 01:39:39,239 --> 01:39:42,479 dice in it, and they're made of bones or antlers, 2058 01:39:42,479 --> 01:39:44,119 and they have a symbol and it's a fun game 2059 01:39:44,119 --> 01:39:45,680 and you play with elders and you take it and 2060 01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,960 you bounce it and all the pieces go flying the 2061 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,600 air and you're hoping they all come up or all 2062 01:39:49,600 --> 01:39:51,319 down or all up at one and then there's a 2063 01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:53,720 bunch of sticks that you get in relation to that. 2064 01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:58,479 But it was a double purpose for the bowl. Our 2065 01:39:58,680 --> 01:40:02,319 ancestors would taken it and did a ceremony where they 2066 01:40:02,399 --> 01:40:05,680 put the water in the bowl and left it in 2067 01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:08,079 the moonlight for four nights, and they would have done 2068 01:40:08,319 --> 01:40:11,640 a sweat, a smudge, a pipe ceremony, you know, invited 2069 01:40:11,640 --> 01:40:14,800 the ancestors. And then after the four nights, the person 2070 01:40:14,840 --> 01:40:17,119 that could see with the community or had the ability 2071 01:40:17,159 --> 01:40:19,520 to see, would sit with the water and gaze into 2072 01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:21,199 the water, and not that there's anything in the water, 2073 01:40:21,239 --> 01:40:25,760 but it's it's an energization of the ceremony, and they 2074 01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,800 would be in a meditative state. And then the ancestors 2075 01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:31,880 would tell them what medicine somebody should have, what message 2076 01:40:31,920 --> 01:40:35,039 somebody would need from their loved one, or what we've 2077 01:40:35,119 --> 01:40:38,880 something we've forgotten, and tell us about a ceremony that 2078 01:40:38,920 --> 01:40:39,840 we need to remember. 2079 01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:44,199 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor. 2080 01:40:47,840 --> 01:40:50,439 And now back to the show. 2081 01:40:51,680 --> 01:40:55,439 Speaker 2: And I saw this, and my ancestors had shown me this, 2082 01:40:55,560 --> 01:40:58,399 And when I went to elders and told them, like 2083 01:40:59,039 --> 01:41:02,399 we used to have a wanted like that, nobody said, 2084 01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:06,199 this is their ceremony. Spirit had told me about the ceremony. 2085 01:41:06,279 --> 01:41:08,640 My ancestors told me about this, and then it was 2086 01:41:08,720 --> 01:41:11,119 validated through someone else. So it was you know where 2087 01:41:11,159 --> 01:41:13,560 ancestors can guide us and teach us things or help 2088 01:41:13,640 --> 01:41:15,760 us learn things that would that have been forgotten for sure. 2089 01:41:16,239 --> 01:41:19,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Because I mean I know of my and my lineage. 2090 01:41:19,960 --> 01:41:22,800 I know of only probably up into my great grandparents, 2091 01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:27,600 and I vaguely understand who they were. I can't even 2092 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:28,600 think about going back. 2093 01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:29,239 Speaker 2: Yeah. 2094 01:41:29,880 --> 01:41:32,960 Speaker 1: But like when I went to from my ancestors, my ancestors, 2095 01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:38,319 according to my grandparents and my great grandparents, they came 2096 01:41:38,359 --> 01:41:41,159 from Spain. Yes, And this is the funny thing about it. 2097 01:41:41,159 --> 01:41:43,439 They came from both sides of my family. My mother 2098 01:41:43,439 --> 01:41:47,039 and father both all well Cubans generally were colonized, right, 2099 01:41:47,079 --> 01:41:48,960 and they all all this, they're all Spanish, right, you know, 2100 01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:53,079 in South America obviously a lot of Spanish. But when 2101 01:41:53,119 --> 01:41:57,039 I did my DNA test to see where I came from, 2102 01:41:57,520 --> 01:42:00,520 south of Spain, Northern Africa, there you go. Eighty five 2103 01:42:00,520 --> 01:42:04,000 percent of meat, Yeah, of my DNA comes from that region. 2104 01:42:04,479 --> 01:42:08,159 So when I went there and visited this last summer, wow, 2105 01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:09,079 holy crap. 2106 01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. See, I have a guide named Victoria, Okay, a guide, 2107 01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:14,920 a guide, spirit guide, and I recorder. I actually can 2108 01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:17,479 record her talking to me. Sometimes. Okay, I have recordings 2109 01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,680 if her on a YouTube channel and there's a voice 2110 01:42:19,680 --> 01:42:21,960 where you'll hear saying the kids the kedge and things 2111 01:42:22,039 --> 01:42:25,960 like that. She's Gaelic but also has Norwegian ancestry. She's 2112 01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,760 Gaelic Gaelic Gaelic like Old Gaelic. Yeah, so scott Scotland 2113 01:42:31,079 --> 01:42:32,359 or Norway kind of mixed. 2114 01:42:32,359 --> 01:42:35,239 Speaker 1: I don't, I don't I know how that connects to Indigenous. 2115 01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:37,640 Speaker 2: Well, why I'm saying this is part of my genetics 2116 01:42:37,720 --> 01:42:39,399 is fifteen percent Scandinavian. 2117 01:42:40,279 --> 01:42:42,279 Speaker 1: Oh well they might have come over, yeah, across the right, 2118 01:42:42,399 --> 01:42:44,800 I mean, yeah, the Vikings of course. Of course, of 2119 01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:45,640 course I made it with. 2120 01:42:45,560 --> 01:42:49,239 Speaker 2: Some indigenous people when they get think I even have 2121 01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:54,319 a thing called Vikings disease. No, yes, where you probably 2122 01:42:54,319 --> 01:42:56,520 can't see it, but I have like a ten in 2123 01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:59,720 here that is like it's it's it's got a ball 2124 01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,640 on the tendon and I have them on my feet too, 2125 01:43:02,720 --> 01:43:05,319 and it's actually called it's called something else, but it's 2126 01:43:05,399 --> 01:43:08,520 also referred to as Viking disease because the Viking people 2127 01:43:08,520 --> 01:43:12,560 were malnutrition when they came over, and they interbred with 2128 01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:16,640 indigenous MiG bob people and they had these things on 2129 01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:20,680 their tendons because they of over use and overwork. You mean, yeah, 2130 01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:24,239 from growing, hacking, you know, doing everything. 2131 01:43:24,079 --> 01:43:27,319 Speaker 1: As Viking Viking stuff mostly not. 2132 01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:30,000 Speaker 2: Fighting, but just like surviving, i'd say. But so they 2133 01:43:30,600 --> 01:43:34,000 they had issues with their tendons because of malnutrition and 2134 01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:36,199 genetics over centuries of time. 2135 01:43:36,359 --> 01:43:37,159 Speaker 1: It's like having scurvy. 2136 01:43:37,159 --> 01:43:41,199 Speaker 2: Because now do you think it's odd though? That you know? 2137 01:43:41,199 --> 01:43:44,560 Because I'm I have fifteen percent of my DNA as Scandinavian, 2138 01:43:45,079 --> 01:43:49,119 and here I have a guide who is Gaelic slash Scandinavian, 2139 01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:52,359 my ancestor from. 2140 01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,319 Speaker 1: Genetically many generations. 2141 01:43:54,079 --> 01:43:56,680 Speaker 2: Generations back, that is helping me and guiding me in 2142 01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:57,560 this current lifetime. 2143 01:43:57,920 --> 01:43:58,800 Speaker 1: It's fascinating. 2144 01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,520 Speaker 2: So you know, I think when we think about her ancestors, 2145 01:44:01,560 --> 01:44:03,720 it's much larger than we can even comprehend. 2146 01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:05,159 Speaker 1: So I'm going to go into deep waters. 2147 01:44:05,319 --> 01:44:06,000 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do it. 2148 01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,560 Speaker 1: I want to go into deep water because I love 2149 01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:09,399 this guy. I love these kind of conversations, all right, 2150 01:44:09,439 --> 01:44:14,439 So that that the Gaelic guide of you her named Victoria. Victoria, Okay, Victoria, 2151 01:44:14,920 --> 01:44:19,840 So Victoria, her soul is on the other side guiding you, absolutely, 2152 01:44:20,279 --> 01:44:24,159 But that soul is and this is how I see it, 2153 01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,039 that soul is a spark or an echo of who 2154 01:44:27,119 --> 01:44:30,119 she was in that time when in that incarnation, right, 2155 01:44:31,199 --> 01:44:34,279 but she is that over soul of hers. That's just 2156 01:44:34,319 --> 01:44:36,960 one aspect of her bingo, and she's in the future 2157 01:44:37,039 --> 01:44:38,960 doing other things. She's in the past doing other things. 2158 01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:40,960 She's she might even still be here right now. 2159 01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:43,960 Speaker 2: She maybe I've not met her, and actually that's not true. 2160 01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,399 I have met her and you meant her her physically 2161 01:44:47,399 --> 01:44:48,119 once in my life. 2162 01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:49,560 Speaker 1: But she's not incarnated. 2163 01:44:49,760 --> 01:44:51,600 Speaker 2: No, she wasn't. She came in a spirit and just 2164 01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:53,079 vanished like in a second later. 2165 01:44:53,359 --> 01:44:56,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so, but so she might actually be incarnated here 2166 01:44:56,359 --> 01:44:59,319 as you know beth in you know New York, you 2167 01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:03,720 know something who knows. So I'm saying this because it's 2168 01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:06,239 I'm trying to wrap my head around. So does that 2169 01:45:06,279 --> 01:45:08,520 make sense that this is kind of like an aspect 2170 01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:11,000 of her. So in other words, you and I have 2171 01:45:11,079 --> 01:45:13,479 lived many lives, if we've gotten to this point to 2172 01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:16,319 have this conversation, this is not our first time here 2173 01:45:16,359 --> 01:45:19,239 on yes, of course, so you know we probably were Roman, 2174 01:45:19,279 --> 01:45:22,199 We're probably Egyptian, we were probably you know, any vikings 2175 01:45:22,199 --> 01:45:25,279 many god knows how many other different kind of generations. 2176 01:45:25,560 --> 01:45:29,359 So those versions of us, those aspects of the Roman 2177 01:45:29,399 --> 01:45:31,680 alys we'll call it the roman Alycs, and you're the 2178 01:45:31,680 --> 01:45:37,279 Egyptian shot. They exist on the other side while you 2179 01:45:37,319 --> 01:45:40,000 and I are still having this incarnation. Absolutely the over 2180 01:45:40,079 --> 01:45:42,640 soul Egyptian. Does that make sense? 2181 01:45:42,640 --> 01:45:45,399 Speaker 2: They exist within you, now, all of them, all of them. 2182 01:45:45,560 --> 01:45:47,960 You just and that's why some people in different parts 2183 01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:49,399 of the world have fallen and hit their head and 2184 01:45:49,399 --> 01:45:50,439 woke up and speak German. 2185 01:45:51,239 --> 01:45:53,640 Speaker 1: Oh God, that's a disease, that's right, and they speak. 2186 01:45:53,760 --> 01:45:55,319 Speaker 2: They all of a sudden know how to play the 2187 01:45:55,319 --> 01:45:57,800 pano never played their whole life, but yet in another 2188 01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:01,600 lifetime they had played. So there's elements or aspects of 2189 01:46:01,640 --> 01:46:05,840 their over soul that we can reconnects, and we can 2190 01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:08,039 actually in an instant, and it's usually because of some 2191 01:46:08,079 --> 01:46:11,920 type of trauma that we then, uh then have another 2192 01:46:11,960 --> 01:46:15,159 lifetime personality that kind of connects to this this lifetime. 2193 01:46:15,239 --> 01:46:17,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's stories and stories in history about people just 2194 01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:19,840 waking up one day or something happening. They could hit 2195 01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:21,359 their head and they could pay and then I could 2196 01:46:21,359 --> 01:46:22,680 play music, or or. 2197 01:46:22,720 --> 01:46:24,319 Speaker 2: All of a sudden they're fluent German and it never 2198 01:46:24,319 --> 01:46:26,880 spoke German in their whole life, or never never been 2199 01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:28,800 to Germany, but yet they can speak. Is how is 2200 01:46:28,840 --> 01:46:29,640 that even possible? 2201 01:46:30,359 --> 01:46:31,800 Speaker 1: Like, yeah, where is that information? 2202 01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:36,000 Speaker 2: It's already within you. We just believe it's separate of us. 2203 01:46:36,079 --> 01:46:37,399 Speaker 1: So how do you tap into it? Sean? 2204 01:46:37,880 --> 01:46:42,039 Speaker 2: Well, maybe give your good self, Sean, I'm not going 2205 01:46:42,079 --> 01:46:45,920 to give myself a concussion, sir, to speak German. I'm 2206 01:46:45,920 --> 01:46:46,399 just joking. 2207 01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:47,920 Speaker 1: I will, I would say, is. 2208 01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:53,680 Speaker 2: Meditation and ceremony, you know if you But I think 2209 01:46:53,680 --> 01:46:55,920 there's certain aspects of your oversoul that you're not meant 2210 01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,199 to remember. Like in order for you to be the 2211 01:46:58,199 --> 01:46:59,880 person that you're you're You're, I don't need to know 2212 01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:02,600 being in this space and time right that you have 2213 01:47:02,640 --> 01:47:05,479 to fully embrace this now doesn't mean that you can't 2214 01:47:05,520 --> 01:47:09,439 remember through passive regression or other regression, hypnosis sessions and stuff, 2215 01:47:09,560 --> 01:47:12,960 or even deep meditation or trance or ceremony. Yeah, aspects 2216 01:47:12,960 --> 01:47:15,520 of that, that memory of that animal you once were 2217 01:47:15,640 --> 01:47:18,159 or the person you once were may come flooding back 2218 01:47:18,199 --> 01:47:20,399 into you. It's like I can remember this now. 2219 01:47:20,640 --> 01:47:22,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you don't want to, like if you happen 2220 01:47:22,720 --> 01:47:25,840 to be in a former life Genghis Khan. 2221 01:47:26,319 --> 01:47:27,840 Speaker 2: Yepef hopefully not. 2222 01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,359 Speaker 1: But let's say you were someone who did a lot 2223 01:47:31,359 --> 01:47:33,760 of a Viking Yeah, just raped and pillaged and did 2224 01:47:33,760 --> 01:47:34,239 all the Viking. 2225 01:47:34,239 --> 01:47:36,720 Speaker 2: I think that's a misconception. I think they did that sometimes, 2226 01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:37,920 but I don't think they did it yet. 2227 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:39,439 Speaker 1: I don't mean to offend your ancestorship. 2228 01:47:40,119 --> 01:47:42,920 Speaker 2: I am just pretty spiritual people for the most part. 2229 01:47:42,439 --> 01:47:45,279 Speaker 1: They that bad pr people. 2230 01:47:46,119 --> 01:47:47,039 Speaker 2: Well, shit got real. 2231 01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:53,479 Speaker 1: Don't mean to offend the Viking vikings, but generally speaking 2232 01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:56,479 that they did a lot of let's say negative things, 2233 01:47:56,600 --> 01:48:00,760 yes or not good. You wouldn't want to remember a 2234 01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:02,760 moment that you were a soldier in World War One. 2235 01:48:03,399 --> 01:48:05,760 You don't want to remember that trauma in this life 2236 01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,840 because it would just change you. So you don't want 2237 01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:10,560 to connect to that version, or at least that part 2238 01:48:10,600 --> 01:48:12,800 of that. So that makes sense to me, right, Yeah, 2239 01:48:12,840 --> 01:48:14,840 you don't want all of the all your lives at 2240 01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:15,279 the same time. 2241 01:48:15,279 --> 01:48:17,319 Speaker 2: If you if you had PTSD from all the people 2242 01:48:17,319 --> 01:48:19,439 that you're murdered in another lifetime, it might not serve 2243 01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:21,439 you in this lifetime being the spiritual person than you. 2244 01:48:21,399 --> 01:48:24,640 Speaker 1: Are today, right, because we've evolved since then and this 2245 01:48:24,720 --> 01:48:26,840 is this life I'm here to do this work right 2246 01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:29,600 as opposed to dealing with that work. That's a whole other. Yes, 2247 01:48:29,640 --> 01:48:31,760 we got enough to stuff stuff down here to deal 2248 01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:33,680 with another lifetime. 2249 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:38,560 Speaker 2: So I came uppack this. Well, can you imagine how 2250 01:48:38,600 --> 01:48:39,199 to try and pack? 2251 01:48:39,399 --> 01:48:41,439 Speaker 1: And there are people who say that they can remember 2252 01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:42,479 all of their lifetimes. 2253 01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:45,520 Speaker 2: I remember some, you do, yeah, so do I remember? 2254 01:48:45,600 --> 01:48:47,720 So last time I was here, I spoke about a 2255 01:48:47,760 --> 01:48:50,279 story where I was in France. So if you haven't 2256 01:48:50,520 --> 01:48:52,359 seen our first interview, you should watch it because there's 2257 01:48:52,359 --> 01:48:53,840 a story on there. But I was in France and 2258 01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:57,479 southern France with the k Tars and uh and I 2259 01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:00,840 met my ex wife there in the regrets that I had, 2260 01:49:01,359 --> 01:49:03,159 and I realized I'd lived like before, and I actually 2261 01:49:03,159 --> 01:49:05,960 went to France and discovered the exact spot from which 2262 01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:09,520 I lived and the people that I was connected to. 2263 01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,159 Speaker 1: Is that why sometimes you like get that day javou 2264 01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:14,600 and like, have I been here before? Maybe so familiar? 2265 01:49:14,720 --> 01:49:16,800 Speaker 2: Maybe I didn't know I was there until I was regressed, 2266 01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,119 And then when I was regressed, I went there and 2267 01:49:19,159 --> 01:49:21,920 I literally everything just kind of unfolded that I found 2268 01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:23,880 the exact spot from which I lived and it was 2269 01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:25,279 just amazing, amazing. 2270 01:49:25,800 --> 01:49:27,560 Speaker 1: Have you guys, have you and your wife figured out 2271 01:49:27,560 --> 01:49:30,880 how lifetimes before that you were together, because obviously. 2272 01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:32,439 Speaker 2: Well I've been married three times, so. 2273 01:49:33,399 --> 01:49:35,239 Speaker 1: That could have been funny. They could also be part. 2274 01:49:35,159 --> 01:49:36,760 Speaker 2: Of your soul they are part of your soul group. 2275 01:49:37,119 --> 01:49:39,560 I mean, it doesn't mean that you know, we've had many, 2276 01:49:40,000 --> 01:49:43,680 you know, we'll call them soulmates through many lifetimes. And 2277 01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:46,800 you know, different soulmates come in your different lifetimes at 2278 01:49:46,800 --> 01:49:49,199 certain aspects because that's where you are and what you need, 2279 01:49:49,239 --> 01:49:51,680 and they're supporting you and you're supporting each other on 2280 01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:52,279 your growth. 2281 01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:54,720 Speaker 1: Right. And it doesn't have to be a romantic soul mate. 2282 01:49:54,720 --> 01:49:55,920 It could be your mother, your. 2283 01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:59,199 Speaker 2: Friend, right, I mean you have many soulmates and and 2284 01:49:59,199 --> 01:50:02,560 and some of them could be romantic, right, And so 2285 01:50:02,640 --> 01:50:06,359 it's not you know, we've lived many lifetimes like past, present, future, right, 2286 01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:10,279 So you could be with one person very rare, I think, 2287 01:50:10,880 --> 01:50:11,239 very rare. 2288 01:50:11,279 --> 01:50:12,720 Speaker 1: Oh the one every single life? 2289 01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:15,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, right? Do you have soul made connections? Maybe? I 2290 01:50:15,039 --> 01:50:18,119 think I think a sole may connection really represents the 2291 01:50:18,119 --> 01:50:20,159 the alignment between you and another person. 2292 01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:24,279 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 2293 01:50:27,920 --> 01:50:32,960 and now back to the show. But those souls even 2294 01:50:33,000 --> 01:50:35,520 if like you maybe let's say we're having fun here, 2295 01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:38,920 Let's say three lifetimes in row, you guys were romantic 2296 01:50:38,920 --> 01:50:41,600 soul made. Yeah, doesn't mean on the fourth lifetime they're 2297 01:50:41,600 --> 01:50:42,960 probably going to be in your life in one way, 2298 01:50:43,000 --> 01:50:44,840 shape or form, but it that might not be. No, 2299 01:50:44,920 --> 01:50:45,960 it was romantically different. 2300 01:50:46,279 --> 01:50:49,039 Speaker 2: Like even with uh brothers, my ex wife, right, we 2301 01:50:49,039 --> 01:50:51,359 were together. Obviously, we weren't supposed to be even together 2302 01:50:51,399 --> 01:50:52,960 in that lifetime because she was a princess and I 2303 01:50:53,000 --> 01:50:57,239 was just a peasant farmer dude, and this life, Yeah, 2304 01:50:57,399 --> 01:50:59,760 I was just like a peasant farmer. You know, I 2305 01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,159 was a I was a very spiritual person in that lifetime. 2306 01:51:02,199 --> 01:51:04,119 But I was with somebody wasn't supposed to be with. 2307 01:51:04,199 --> 01:51:06,720 And I even though we're a past cross in this lifetime, 2308 01:51:07,079 --> 01:51:08,880 you know, we were meant to be together for a 2309 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:11,399 time to teach each other what we Yeah, and then 2310 01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:13,720 and we have, you know, two beautiful girls because of that, 2311 01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,680 and they're part of life and that's amazing. But that's 2312 01:51:16,720 --> 01:51:19,479 that's you know, that's not our complete journey. Our journey 2313 01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,239 was meant to end, and maybe we'll reconnect in another one. 2314 01:51:22,319 --> 01:51:25,319 Maybe we won't. And but I don't know that. I 2315 01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:27,600 don't know that yet. But as far as I know, 2316 01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:30,640 we've lived many lifetimes together and we keep showing up 2317 01:51:30,680 --> 01:51:33,359 from time to time, and and even my current partner, 2318 01:51:33,359 --> 01:51:36,119 I feel like I knower Michelle, but I'm not quite 2319 01:51:36,119 --> 01:51:37,840 sure yet where we've connected to in. 2320 01:51:37,840 --> 01:51:40,159 Speaker 1: The past, and you haven't tapped into that. 2321 01:51:40,079 --> 01:51:42,800 Speaker 2: Not yet. It will reveal itself, I you know, I don't. 2322 01:51:43,079 --> 01:51:44,840 The way my life kind of works, it just it 2323 01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:46,239 reveals us off and unfolds. 2324 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,720 Speaker 1: And but you actually you're a really great definition of 2325 01:51:49,720 --> 01:51:50,920 someone who trusts the path. 2326 01:51:51,159 --> 01:51:51,600 Speaker 2: I trust. 2327 01:51:51,680 --> 01:51:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you have faith in the path. You have 2328 01:51:53,800 --> 01:51:55,359 faith that things are supposed to work out the way 2329 01:51:55,399 --> 01:51:57,840 they are. Yes, I mean I don't know you deeply 2330 01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:01,640 like that, but I imagine that you're not worried about like, 2331 01:52:01,720 --> 01:52:04,920 oh God, is this gonna happen? That's whatever happened. 2332 01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:06,479 Speaker 2: No, I mean we have you rolled with it. Four 2333 01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,039 runners and animals sometimes are part of four runners, right, 2334 01:52:09,479 --> 01:52:11,960 an animal, a bird hitting the window, and then next 2335 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,760 you know, you hear about a death in the family, right, 2336 01:52:14,880 --> 01:52:17,760 and things like that happen, right, So there's a you know, 2337 01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,800 there's messages to kind of let you know that you're 2338 01:52:19,800 --> 01:52:21,840 going to go through stuff. So when things like that happen, 2339 01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:26,960 I feel there's an intention of purpose or reason. There's 2340 01:52:27,000 --> 01:52:29,880 something charted planned. It's not chaos. 2341 01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:33,640 Speaker 1: Can I tell you this is kind of like when 2342 01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,560 you said bird hitting when this this story came into me, 2343 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,880 and this is this was a pretty years before Next 2344 01:52:39,960 --> 01:52:44,279 Level Soul all this kind of stuff. My wife, who 2345 01:52:44,359 --> 01:52:46,840 was my girlfriend at the time, she was in the 2346 01:52:46,840 --> 01:52:50,039 bathroom and we had in that house that we had 2347 01:52:50,039 --> 01:52:53,600 in Florida. It's a glass a glass door in the 2348 01:52:53,640 --> 01:52:58,399 shower and all of a sudden, I just hear boom. 2349 01:52:58,760 --> 01:53:03,439 The shower door just explodes. And you know, those shower 2350 01:53:03,479 --> 01:53:06,399 doors are not they're tempered, they're they're not They're not 2351 01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:10,319 easy to break. And I run in and I go 2352 01:53:10,399 --> 01:53:13,600 and she's like a little bit bleeding because like what happened. 2353 01:53:14,039 --> 01:53:17,760 She just touched it. I just touched it because it 2354 01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:19,960 would have taken so much force. And it was a 2355 01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,640 small bathroom, so you like, she didn't throw anything there was, 2356 01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:27,039 She just touched the door and it exploded. That moment 2357 01:53:27,880 --> 01:53:31,479 across town, her aunt was getting in a car accidentally. 2358 01:53:32,520 --> 01:53:33,039 She was fine. 2359 01:53:33,079 --> 01:53:34,279 Speaker 2: The synchronicity of things. 2360 01:53:34,359 --> 01:53:36,680 Speaker 1: It just happened at the same time. And when we 2361 01:53:36,800 --> 01:53:42,039 found that out, because she comes from a Latin American background, 2362 01:53:42,199 --> 01:53:46,239 I'm Cuban, so that whole we just started connecting it. It 2363 01:53:46,279 --> 01:53:51,000 was like that energy to save her had to flow 2364 01:53:51,079 --> 01:53:53,880 through her and pop through as opposed to save the 2365 01:53:53,920 --> 01:53:56,600 ant from getting really hurt. That's what we kind of 2366 01:53:56,600 --> 01:53:58,239 came up with. So that's the only thing that made 2367 01:53:58,319 --> 01:53:59,039 What do you think that. 2368 01:53:58,920 --> 01:54:00,680 Speaker 2: Well, I would say it's a four for sure that 2369 01:54:00,800 --> 01:54:02,840 something's happening in the family, and spirits trying to let 2370 01:54:02,880 --> 01:54:05,800 you know, despite what's going on, everything is according to plan. 2371 01:54:05,920 --> 01:54:08,840 So it's because sometimes we get wrapped up thinking, oh 2372 01:54:08,880 --> 01:54:10,640 my god, I can't believe this person was in an accident. 2373 01:54:10,640 --> 01:54:12,680 But if you had some type of forerunner to kind 2374 01:54:12,720 --> 01:54:14,479 of let you know that this is coming down, that 2375 01:54:14,520 --> 01:54:17,079 means there was a charted plan for that to happen 2376 01:54:17,119 --> 01:54:19,600 for that person, and it could be death for someone. 2377 01:54:20,159 --> 01:54:22,039 And I have a story about this in the book. 2378 01:54:22,079 --> 01:54:26,359 Actually there's an elder that I met a long time 2379 01:54:26,399 --> 01:54:30,920 ago named Danny Paul. And anyway, I had this amazing 2380 01:54:31,000 --> 01:54:34,600 dream with eagles, and the dream was where I was 2381 01:54:34,640 --> 01:54:37,560 in the sky flying with eagles, and I looked around 2382 01:54:37,560 --> 01:54:39,520 and some of the eagles were all white. There were 2383 01:54:39,520 --> 01:54:41,840 white eagles. Even though my name is white eagle. I 2384 01:54:41,880 --> 01:54:43,840 was looking at these other eagles that were all white, 2385 01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:45,640 and I could tell that they were elders. They were 2386 01:54:45,680 --> 01:54:47,920 all white. There is no white he I was gonna says, 2387 01:54:48,039 --> 01:54:51,159 it's a fallacy there of being white eagles. Right. So anyway, 2388 01:54:51,159 --> 01:54:53,560 these these bald eagles are all pure white. I know 2389 01:54:53,680 --> 01:54:59,319 that they're they're they're elders. And the other eagles, this 2390 01:54:59,359 --> 01:55:02,079 is where it gets the strange. The other eagles all 2391 01:55:02,119 --> 01:55:06,640 have ice in their wings, and they're flying in partners 2392 01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:07,479 or pairs. 2393 01:55:07,399 --> 01:55:08,119 Speaker 1: But they have ice. 2394 01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:11,720 Speaker 2: They have ice forming in their feathers. No, they're not. 2395 01:55:12,199 --> 01:55:17,039 They're now the pears. There's a male and female. The 2396 01:55:17,079 --> 01:55:18,760 female will get on the on the back of the 2397 01:55:18,760 --> 01:55:21,479 male as they were flying and picked the ice off 2398 01:55:21,479 --> 01:55:24,359 the feathers, and then they would change and then the 2399 01:55:24,359 --> 01:55:26,439 male would get on the back of the female and 2400 01:55:26,439 --> 01:55:30,199 pick the ice off. So all the eagles said, flowing 2401 01:55:30,319 --> 01:55:34,159 to this, we'll call it a church hall, okay. And 2402 01:55:34,760 --> 01:55:37,439 at the church hall, they they were beating on the 2403 01:55:37,439 --> 01:55:40,720 door for help because they had nowhere else to go. 2404 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,760 They literally their little talons kicking on the door, which 2405 01:55:45,479 --> 01:55:49,359 is comical in some sense. But anyway, this priest come 2406 01:55:49,399 --> 01:55:52,119 to the door, and the priest said, well, what can 2407 01:55:52,119 --> 01:55:55,159 I help you with? You know, he says, well, you've 2408 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:58,720 done so much harm to us, but we need you 2409 01:55:58,840 --> 01:56:03,479 to reciprocate some healing back to us. We need our 2410 01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:07,560 own space and place to be. Well, this the eagles 2411 01:56:07,600 --> 01:56:12,640 talking to the priests, and so what happened was that, well, 2412 01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,680 the priests would not help them, but what he says, 2413 01:56:15,760 --> 01:56:18,039 I'll give you a piece of the land that we've 2414 01:56:18,079 --> 01:56:22,359 annexed from you. So they went to the land and 2415 01:56:22,399 --> 01:56:26,600 they built a long house a traditional dream. In the dream, 2416 01:56:26,640 --> 01:56:29,520 it's pretty, I know, it's pretty vivid. And anyway, all 2417 01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:31,439 the eagles were inside the long house, and the white 2418 01:56:31,479 --> 01:56:34,119 eagles were inside in the long house with them, a 2419 01:56:34,239 --> 01:56:38,000 sacred space of teaching for elders and to share wisdom 2420 01:56:38,039 --> 01:56:41,399 and knowledge. Right, and I saw all the ice melting 2421 01:56:41,479 --> 01:56:44,119 off the wings of the other eagles. Now it was 2422 01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:47,560 like they were becoming healthy again. They were becoming whole again. 2423 01:56:48,520 --> 01:56:51,079 And then I woke up and I tell my wife, Michelle, 2424 01:56:51,079 --> 01:56:53,119 who's probably the wisest person in my life. 2425 01:56:53,479 --> 01:56:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, You've brought her up a few times, 2426 01:56:55,560 --> 01:56:57,600 and I'm like, well, I got to give my I know, 2427 01:56:59,239 --> 01:57:02,479 I go to person, I'm married a couple decades. I 2428 01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:03,119 get you. Yeah. 2429 01:57:03,159 --> 01:57:05,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. So she says, well, she should speak to an 2430 01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,760 elder and tell him about the dream and see what 2431 01:57:07,840 --> 01:57:10,199 he can make of this. So I'm thinking about some 2432 01:57:10,279 --> 01:57:12,159 elders and she goes, well, you shouldn't call those people. 2433 01:57:12,159 --> 01:57:14,720 I don't like those people so much. Right, She's honest, 2434 01:57:14,760 --> 01:57:18,640 bluntly honest. And then I'm thinkings got to be someone 2435 01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:20,960 else you can think of it. I'm like, hmm, I 2436 01:57:21,039 --> 01:57:23,840 used to. I remember this guy, Danny Paul, Right. So 2437 01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,479 I go to his Facebook page and on his profile 2438 01:57:27,600 --> 01:57:30,000 he's got an eagle in his arm. I'm like, pretty 2439 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,439 sure there's the guy I'm supposed to talk to him. 2440 01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:35,119 So I give him a call and I say, Danny, 2441 01:57:35,159 --> 01:57:36,479 I tell him about the dream, and he goes, you 2442 01:57:36,479 --> 01:57:38,119 know what, I've already have a space picked up for 2443 01:57:38,199 --> 01:57:40,199 the longhouse. I've been waiting for somebody to come and 2444 01:57:40,199 --> 01:57:43,640 help me. And I said, well, how can I help you, Danny? 2445 01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:46,399 And he says, I just need your time, and I'm 2446 01:57:46,439 --> 01:57:47,920 like I'll give you my time. Can we do this 2447 01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:49,920 in the spring sometime. I'm very busy, so I don't 2448 01:57:49,920 --> 01:57:52,359 have very much time. And he said, yes, I have 2449 01:57:52,399 --> 01:57:55,119 a space already picked out for it. And anyway, I 2450 01:57:55,159 --> 01:57:57,039 have this conversation with him, and he says that our 2451 01:57:57,079 --> 01:57:58,720 people need a long house and the elders need a 2452 01:57:58,720 --> 01:58:01,319 place to share their wizard in teachings and such like that. 2453 01:58:01,720 --> 01:58:03,439 And I said, well, I'll help create the space so 2454 01:58:03,479 --> 01:58:07,880 that elders can do this. And this was like December 2455 01:58:08,039 --> 01:58:12,399 nineteenth when I shared this vision with him, this dream, 2456 01:58:13,479 --> 01:58:16,000 and it was very like profound, you know, because you 2457 01:58:16,039 --> 01:58:19,840 don't have things like that happen all the time. And 2458 01:58:19,920 --> 01:58:23,479 so anyway, December twenty fourth, I'm going to my wife's 2459 01:58:24,199 --> 01:58:27,560 money in laws, my wife's mom's house for Christmas dinner 2460 01:58:28,119 --> 01:58:32,319 pre Christmas, right, and so I'm driving there and on 2461 01:58:32,399 --> 01:58:35,720 the way there, there's an owl on a telephone wire 2462 01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,960 that is hanging very low, like for whatever reason, this 2463 01:58:39,000 --> 01:58:42,319 one wire is like sagging right down. It shouldn't probably 2464 01:58:42,319 --> 01:58:44,600 be that low or somebody's probably going to get hurt, 2465 01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:48,359 but there's an owl on it. And I pull up 2466 01:58:48,359 --> 01:58:51,600 to the owl in my truck and I get out, 2467 01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:53,760 and I'm standing for me to you, and I'm looking 2468 01:58:53,760 --> 01:58:57,760 at the owl and he just stares at me. I'm like, 2469 01:58:58,079 --> 01:59:00,680 this is Michelle, this is weird. This owl's telling me something. 2470 01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:03,720 He's trying to send me a message, and I'm not 2471 01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:05,359 sure because what do you think it means. I'm like, 2472 01:59:05,640 --> 01:59:11,560 now represents wisdom, right, knowledge of the elder, medicine, right, 2473 01:59:12,000 --> 01:59:14,960 could also represent death. In didgenous culture, we sometimes see 2474 01:59:14,960 --> 01:59:16,720 owls and we think that, I don't know, it's a 2475 01:59:16,720 --> 01:59:19,399 forerunner to somebody dying. I said, I hope that's not 2476 01:59:19,439 --> 01:59:21,680 what it means. But I feel like he's sharing something 2477 01:59:21,680 --> 01:59:23,800 with me. So we have Christmas dinner and I go 2478 01:59:23,880 --> 01:59:29,720 home and I think about calling Danny because of the message. 2479 01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:29,960 Speaker 1: Right. 2480 01:59:31,000 --> 01:59:32,000 Speaker 2: I go to his Facebook. 2481 01:59:32,239 --> 01:59:32,920 Speaker 1: He just died. 2482 01:59:33,279 --> 01:59:39,159 Speaker 2: Oh he died six days after talking to him. And 2483 01:59:39,199 --> 01:59:44,039 I'm thinking, was that Danny sending me the owl to 2484 01:59:44,279 --> 01:59:47,199 remember the dream, to share the wisdom and knowledge. And 2485 01:59:47,319 --> 01:59:49,239 recently the lady the elder that I just met up 2486 01:59:49,239 --> 01:59:51,199 in near Brunswick, I told her about the same dream 2487 01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:56,640 and she says that in Migmah community, we don't have 2488 01:59:56,680 --> 02:00:01,600 any longhouses, but she knows the sermon need to build one. 2489 02:00:01,880 --> 02:00:04,880 I said, well, can we build one together? And she 2490 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,600 said yes. So she's the one that gifted me the 2491 02:00:07,640 --> 02:00:10,640 eagle head, the eagle talent, hence having the dream of 2492 02:00:10,640 --> 02:00:13,479 the eagles. And it's reconnecting. And I never asked her 2493 02:00:13,520 --> 02:00:16,960 to give me anything. Sure, it's just all kind of aligned. 2494 02:00:17,880 --> 02:00:20,239 And I feel like Danny was kind of like helping me. 2495 02:00:21,039 --> 02:00:22,840 He was the one that told me he made his journey. 2496 02:00:23,640 --> 02:00:25,640 But he also didn't want me to forget the teaching 2497 02:00:25,880 --> 02:00:28,199 or what was given to me by spirit and to 2498 02:00:28,239 --> 02:00:30,880 share it with another elder. So that's a forerunner. But 2499 02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,159 there's so much more to that, and that's how my 2500 02:00:33,159 --> 02:00:36,439 life unfolds. It's you know, when you start to see 2501 02:00:36,439 --> 02:00:39,479 the synchronousy or connection in things. You know, I don't 2502 02:00:39,479 --> 02:00:41,840 go looking for people to build this. They will come, 2503 02:00:42,439 --> 02:00:45,359 they will show up, and everything will align to make 2504 02:00:45,399 --> 02:00:45,920 that happen. 2505 02:00:48,079 --> 02:00:50,600 Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor, 2506 02:00:54,239 --> 02:00:59,039 and now back to the show. Sean. I don't know 2507 02:00:59,079 --> 02:01:01,199 what it is about you, man, but like being in 2508 02:01:01,239 --> 02:01:04,640 the room here, like I feel so chilled, I feel 2509 02:01:04,720 --> 02:01:08,000 kind of like connected, Like if there's a vibe, there's 2510 02:01:08,039 --> 02:01:10,640 an energy in the room. Now I'm like, I feel 2511 02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:15,239 like I'm connected to my tiger, I'm connected to my horse. Yes, 2512 02:01:15,319 --> 02:01:17,960 we like it's It's like, I'm not even joking about it. 2513 02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:21,079 I literally feel there's a feeling that I have in 2514 02:01:21,119 --> 02:01:24,399 my body that I'm sensing and I'm feeling these kind 2515 02:01:24,439 --> 02:01:27,000 of things as we're talking about it. And the stories 2516 02:01:27,000 --> 02:01:28,600 in the back of my head of all the animal 2517 02:01:28,680 --> 02:01:32,159 encounters and all the thing. It's it's pretty amazing, man, Sean. 2518 02:01:32,199 --> 02:01:35,039 Where can people pick up this amazing book, Walking with 2519 02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:36,319 Your Spirit Over. 2520 02:01:36,439 --> 02:01:38,279 Speaker 2: Animals, Well, you can. You can get it. You can 2521 02:01:38,279 --> 02:01:40,319 go to my website Sean hyphen Leonard dot com and 2522 02:01:40,359 --> 02:01:42,279 if you if you pre buy or if you buy after, 2523 02:01:42,399 --> 02:01:45,000 you can like submit your receipt number on my website 2524 02:01:45,039 --> 02:01:48,000 and you'll get the free teaching October twenty third and 2525 02:01:48,039 --> 02:01:50,600 it'll be recorded and sent out v email. After you'll 2526 02:01:50,600 --> 02:01:53,199 get a meditation, you'll get a ceremonial prayer to say 2527 02:01:53,199 --> 02:01:55,079 to connect to your spirit Tono Minimal. But if you 2528 02:01:55,079 --> 02:01:57,640 go to a website, it's got Amazon dot CA, Amazon 2529 02:01:57,680 --> 02:02:00,960 dot com, Barnes, a, Noble, Indigo, every place is all 2530 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,560 on my website that you can go and click and 2531 02:02:02,600 --> 02:02:04,399 get the book and. 2532 02:02:04,399 --> 02:02:05,800 Speaker 1: Of course, if they want to see more of you, 2533 02:02:05,920 --> 02:02:08,520 they can go to next levels sol TV. There s 2534 02:02:09,239 --> 02:02:13,000 Spirit Talker, Yes, and we have a a couple of 2535 02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:16,000 projects we might be working on next year together, so 2536 02:02:16,359 --> 02:02:19,800 I'm very excited to share that with the community as well. 2537 02:02:20,039 --> 02:02:22,560 One last question to you, my friend. If the Animal 2538 02:02:22,640 --> 02:02:26,319 Kingdom could tell humanity one thing that we need to 2539 02:02:26,359 --> 02:02:28,720 hear right now, what it would it be? 2540 02:02:29,479 --> 02:02:32,680 Speaker 2: Reconnect to us, Remember that we are one. 2541 02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:40,000 Speaker 1: My friend. I'm almost tearing up after. It's so simple, 2542 02:02:40,159 --> 02:02:41,920 and that's when truths are usually. 2543 02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:43,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't have to be complex at all. 2544 02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:47,479 Speaker 1: It's so so simple. Sean is such a pleasure talking 2545 02:02:47,520 --> 02:02:48,279 to you, my friend. 2546 02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:50,159 Speaker 2: Saying with you. I think we're like soul brothers. 2547 02:02:50,640 --> 02:02:52,840 Speaker 1: You and I must have been a horse and. 2548 02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:57,600 Speaker 2: A cow and another life chicken in a worm, chicken 2549 02:02:57,640 --> 02:02:58,479 in a worm. 2550 02:03:00,079 --> 02:03:02,800 Speaker 4: Other life man, because every time you and I get together, 2551 02:03:02,880 --> 02:03:04,720 it just seem like we just fall into this kind 2552 02:03:04,720 --> 02:03:07,640 of like yeah, and we just chill acts and it's 2553 02:03:07,760 --> 02:03:09,239 kind of like it's like comfortable. 2554 02:03:09,279 --> 02:03:12,359 Speaker 1: It's extremely comfortable. So I appreciate you, brother, Thank you 2555 02:03:12,399 --> 02:03:14,880 again for being here, and I look forward to our 2556 02:03:14,920 --> 02:03:17,479 next conversation. So thank you for helping everything you do 2557 02:03:17,680 --> 02:03:18,640 to awaken this planet. 2558 02:03:18,680 --> 02:03:20,399 Speaker 2: My friend me too, and thank you as well. 2559 02:03:22,279 --> 02:03:23,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to thank Sean so much for coming on 2560 02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:25,840 the show and sharing his knowledge and wisdom with all 2561 02:03:25,920 --> 02:03:27,359 of us. If you want to get links to anything 2562 02:03:27,359 --> 02:03:29,079 we spoke about in this episode, head over to the 2563 02:03:29,079 --> 02:03:32,359 show notes at Next levelsoul dot com Forward slash six 2564 02:03:32,720 --> 02:03:36,760 four one. Now. If this conversation stirred something in you, 2565 02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:40,399 there's more waiting. You can listen to this episode completely 2566 02:03:40,399 --> 02:03:44,119 commercial free on Next level Soul TV's app where Soul 2567 02:03:44,359 --> 02:03:49,520 meets streaming. Watch and listen on Apple iOS, Android, Apple TV, Ruku, 2568 02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:55,640 Android TV Buyer, tv LG and Samsung apps anytime anywhere. 2569 02:03:56,039 --> 02:04:00,439 Begin your awakening at Next levelsoul dot tv. Thank you 2570 02:04:00,520 --> 02:04:03,960 so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey. 2571 02:04:04,279 --> 02:04:07,319 It is there to teach you. I'll see you next time.