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Speaker 4: Time and welcome back, ladies and gentlemen. Today's guest is
Speaker 4: from the great state of Illinois. Her name is Ursula,
Speaker 4: and we just had a great pre show conversation. I'm
Speaker 4: excited to bring her on the show and introduce her
Speaker 4: to the audience. Ladies and gentlemen. Ursula, how are you
Speaker 4: doing tonight?
Speaker 1: I'm great. Thank you, George, thanks again for having me on.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how excited I am.
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure to have you, and I'm excited for
Speaker 4: you to share your journey and what you're doing in
Speaker 4: the podcast world as well. But before we get into
Speaker 4: all of that, please take a few moments and introduce
Speaker 4: yourself to the audience.
Speaker 1: Of course, I am a mother of three. I have
Speaker 1: a son and two daughters. My husband and I have
Speaker 1: been do you hear that beep? I'm so sorry. I
Speaker 1: have like a beep in the back. But if you
Speaker 1: hear it, I will try to disable. It's like a
Speaker 1: fire alarm.
Speaker 4: That's good shit.
Speaker 1: But my husband and I have been together for sixteen years.
Speaker 1: But I think the thing that I want most to
Speaker 1: share about myself is that I'm a passionate disciple of
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. And I wasn't always that way. Actually, when
Speaker 1: I was about twenty seven years old, I was in
Speaker 1: a serious relationship with a Muslim and we were together
Speaker 1: for several years, and he wanted me to We were
Speaker 1: talking about taking the next steps in our relationship and
Speaker 1: he wanted me to convert to Islam before I did that.
Speaker 1: And at the time, I was raised Catholic, but I
Speaker 1: was never really you know, built on the rock. I
Speaker 1: wasn't on the rock yet, and so I really took
Speaker 1: it seriously. I started reading the Koran. I read the Ahadiths,
Speaker 1: which is like the supplementary books to the Koran, and
Speaker 1: you know, George. I was even practicing like the Shahadah,
Speaker 1: which is the declaration that you make to become Muslim,
Speaker 1: and in the town, and I remember thinking like, I
Speaker 1: have to tell my family, like I remember reading the
Speaker 1: Koran and never feeling that type of fear because the
Speaker 1: hell described in Koran is even worse for people who
Speaker 1: were presented in Islam and decided to deny it. And
Speaker 1: so I just remember thinking, like, I have to convert
Speaker 1: everyone I know. And I went to bed one night
Speaker 1: and the Lord Jesus gave me a dream. In my dream,
Speaker 1: it was like a really dark room and in the
Speaker 1: middle of the room there was a hole, and intuitively
Speaker 1: I knew that I that it was hell and that
Speaker 1: I was going there. And the type of fear that
Speaker 1: I felt in this dream is something I have never
Speaker 1: before or since felt. It was the thickest, most, the
Speaker 1: deepest fear I've ever felt. And something was pushing me
Speaker 1: down this hole and eventually I fell through. And as
Speaker 1: I'm falling, I see my family around me and they're
Speaker 1: falling and they're dead and decomposing. And it didn't look
Speaker 1: it didn't look comical, it didn't look like walking dead type.
Speaker 1: It looked real, and it smelled and I had and
Speaker 1: there was a stench. And as soon as I hit
Speaker 1: the ground, I shot up in bed and I was
Speaker 1: drenched in sweat and tears, and my heart was beating
Speaker 1: out of my chest, and I heard God say to
Speaker 1: me in my spirit, this is what will happen if
Speaker 1: you continue down this path. So I ended up ending
Speaker 1: that engagement that morning, but probably entered the darkest chapter
Speaker 1: of my life at that time because I knew that
Speaker 1: God was not the God of Islam. I just didn't
Speaker 1: know who God was. And I started studying, and you know,
Speaker 1: I kind of committed to learning about every religion because
Speaker 1: I was just so determined to find the truth. And
Speaker 1: I heard somebody once say like, if you are on
Speaker 1: the search for truth, you will inevitably end up at Jesus.
Speaker 1: And that's where I ended up at. And it was
Speaker 1: actually the study of apologetics that really got me passionate
Speaker 1: about about Jesus.
Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting people say that miracles don't happen anymore,
Speaker 4: but you kind of just described, you know, God presenting
Speaker 4: something to you in your dream and understanding that it
Speaker 4: just wasn't a dream dream, it was a warning and
Speaker 4: that is something that I've been passionate about lately as well,
Speaker 4: is trying to explain how repentance work. That it's not
Speaker 4: reciting a sinner's prayer, it's understanding repentance and having a
Speaker 4: contrition and being remorseful and trying and trying the key
Speaker 4: word here, because we're all flawed and we're all going
Speaker 4: to fall again, but through the grace of God, we're saved.
Speaker 4: But you know, it's just it blows my mind that
Speaker 4: people think that these things don't happen. And as you're
Speaker 4: sitting here describing your dream, it's almost like something that
Speaker 4: you would read in the Bible, these stories. And that's
Speaker 4: why I try to tell people, is God is talking
Speaker 4: to you, right. It's just a matter of I think
Speaker 4: we have selective listening. I think they call it. If
Speaker 4: it's going to maybe make us turn away from things
Speaker 4: we enjoy in the worldly life we live, then maybe
Speaker 4: we don't want to listen.
Speaker 1: I also had a follow up miracle that occurred about
Speaker 1: a few weeks after we I ended our relationship. I
Speaker 1: I remember I was he had called me and he
Speaker 1: wanted me to see a Catholic. He there was a
Speaker 1: speaker coming to his school, and it was a Catholic
Speaker 1: priest that had converted to Islam, and so he said,
Speaker 1: you know, I want you to come see this this speaker.
Speaker 1: He might clear some things up for you. And so
Speaker 1: I didn't want to go. Every every fiber of my
Speaker 1: being was screaming no. But I couldn't think of a
Speaker 1: lie on the spot. I just I said yes. And
Speaker 1: leading up to that, to seeing the speaker, I was,
Speaker 1: I was a wreck, like just truly, just you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, the darkest time in my life. And
Speaker 1: so he picked me up and on the way there,
Speaker 1: I had I was. I had started wearing a ring
Speaker 1: in place of the ring he had given me. It
Speaker 1: was a ring, It was a ring with a cross
Speaker 1: on it. It was from my grandma. But I remember
Speaker 1: need like putting it on because you know, like you're married,
Speaker 1: and if you take your ring off, you're always like,
Speaker 1: you know, where's my ring?
Speaker 4: Where's the ring?
Speaker 1: So I did. Every time I didn't feel my ring on,
Speaker 1: I was reminded of the painful breakup. So I put
Speaker 1: that ring on in its place, and I remember I
Speaker 1: was twirling it in my fingers and holding onto it,
Speaker 1: and I was so deeply praying, you know, and and
Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit and the Bible tells us that in
Speaker 1: your deepest groans, like he hears you, he's with you.
Speaker 4: And I was.
Speaker 1: I didn't know I was praying then, you know, to
Speaker 1: what God? But I was praying, and I said, God,
Speaker 1: you know, if this is wrong, like if it's wrong
Speaker 1: for me to be here, if it's wrong for me
Speaker 1: to consider Islam, I need you to make this ring
Speaker 1: feel cold. And like I needed God to break through
Speaker 1: the spiritual into the physical. I needed some proof and
Speaker 1: I was just so lost. And I remember, not even
Speaker 1: a second after I said amen, my ex, who's car
Speaker 1: was his baby, drove into this giant pothole and it
Speaker 1: was January and it was freezing outside, and so we
Speaker 1: ended up he needed to change his tire and I
Speaker 1: was outside with you know, no gloves and just app
Speaker 1: My hands absolutely froze, and you know, I think about it,
Speaker 1: but I'm like, you know, you know, how it's something
Speaker 1: there's something in the middle of the road. Cars usually
Speaker 1: swerve around it or whatever. There was none of that.
Speaker 1: There were plenty of cars out that night, but nobody swerved.
Speaker 1: It was like it came out of nowhere. And I
Speaker 1: think at that time, I just needed that I had
Speaker 1: that reassurance. I needed to know, like, Okay, now I
Speaker 1: know for a fact that is not the God of Islam,
Speaker 1: but I was just so desperate to find who he was.
Speaker 4: That's so interesting because there's many stories in the Bible.
Speaker 4: I think Gideon, one of the judges, had the same type.
Speaker 4: He left his wool out overnight. Oh right, yeah, and
Speaker 4: then he went back, are you sure? And sure enough? Yes, stay.
Speaker 4: It's interesting how that everybody needs that validation and if
Speaker 4: we listen, he provides it. And obviously that really altered
Speaker 4: the course of your life.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I'm so glad. I'm so I am so
Speaker 1: thankful that Jesus took the scales off of my eyes.
Speaker 4: So you're coming from a background. You grow up, were
Speaker 4: you Methodists? You said you were Catholic, right, Catholic and
Speaker 4: then Muslim and now you know, looking back at your
Speaker 4: emails and everything, you're, for lack of a better words,
Speaker 4: of a follower of Christ through Protestant.
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, more like I guess I don't even
Speaker 1: really identify. It's just more, you know, like I Jesus said,
Speaker 1: I am the way I am the life and then
Speaker 1: in John we find out the Word became flesh and
Speaker 1: dwell among us. So the Word is the truth. So
Speaker 1: the Bible is the source of truth for our lives.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's something I've been struggling because to me
Speaker 4: that and again, the word Christian does mean follower of
Speaker 4: But when you say that, now, when you look around
Speaker 4: at the state of many churches today, it's like that's
Speaker 4: when we were coming up for a term for our church.
Speaker 4: You know, we call it New Disciple fellowship. And that's
Speaker 4: what we do, is we you know, preach the Gospel
Speaker 4: and we make disciples. It's you know, you can go
Speaker 4: out there by yourself and try to save the World war.
Speaker 4: You can make fishers of men, who make fishers of men,
Speaker 4: who make fishers of men, and that's really how you win.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So tell us your journey to where you are today.
Speaker 4: How did you go from that to where you are today?
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I became obsessed with everything you know, Jesus
Speaker 1: related just over the course of my life and you know,
Speaker 1: as abers, since I was twenty seven, and then it
Speaker 1: kind of led me down this path of you know,
Speaker 1: once I started to realize the Bible is a source
Speaker 1: of truth. That's where everything kind of changed for me.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to a podcast one day and
Speaker 1: it was somebody had a near death experience and and
Speaker 1: I do believe that those are you know, you have
Speaker 1: to use discernment, but even Paul in the New Testament
Speaker 1: had a near death experience. And so I was listening,
Speaker 1: and everything in my spirit was telling me, this guy
Speaker 1: is telling the truth everything. And but later on in
Speaker 1: the conversation he said something about flat earth, and instantly,
Speaker 1: like I was, I was like almost mad at the
Speaker 1: spirit in that moment, like I thought, you told me
Speaker 1: this is genuine, you know, I was like upset, and
Speaker 1: I remember just instantly kind of discrediting this this man.
Speaker 1: But then he said something about rainbows. And that was
Speaker 1: like the question mark that he put in my head
Speaker 1: because I'm like, okay, listen, I know the Earth is round,
Speaker 1: but I know how light refraction works, and so why
Speaker 1: doesn't why is the rainbow round? And or you know, arched?
Speaker 1: And as soon as I started to look into it,
Speaker 1: I mean, gosh, it was like Jesus truly took the
Speaker 1: scales off of my eyes instantly, you know when they say,
Speaker 1: you know, when Jesus says, you know, you have to
Speaker 1: accept the Kingdom of God like a child. That is
Speaker 1: what I think he has. You know that if you
Speaker 1: can do that is a blessing because then you're.
Speaker 4: Open minded, yes, because you haven't been Your mind hasn't
Speaker 4: been propagandized yet, with the exception of you know, the
Speaker 4: guy in the red suit.
Speaker 1: Right right, but it can't. But you know what if
Speaker 1: you if you can realize, like if you can accept
Speaker 1: the Kingdom of God as a child, and you can
Speaker 1: realize that you know, his ways are higher than I was,
Speaker 1: his thoughts are higher than earth, and it makes it
Speaker 1: more believable. But also I feel like when I started,
Speaker 1: you know, when I started to go down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole of I like to call it true Earth, you know,
Speaker 1: I feel like flat Earth has like the connotation of
Speaker 1: anti vacs, where it's like it's not anti vax, it's
Speaker 1: like pro health. So true Earth. Once you go down
Speaker 1: the rabbit hole, you realize your eyes line up with
Speaker 1: what the Bible tells you, not what science tells you,
Speaker 1: you know, And that's where I was really like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I get it, like the star like, for example, the stars.
Speaker 1: So NASA says that we are spinning on an axis
Speaker 1: at one thousand miles an hour, but also ironically orbiting
Speaker 1: the Sun at six sixty six thousand, six hundred miles
Speaker 1: an hour. So I you know, and Satan flashes things
Speaker 1: in our face the six sixty six yep. But then
Speaker 1: why why do we have the same twelve zodiac science
Speaker 1: that we've had for all of time? And why if
Speaker 1: you look at the lens of the night sky, it's
Speaker 1: obvious that it's circling us. It's not the motion of
Speaker 1: an Earth that is spinning on its axis and also
Speaker 1: orbiting the Sun at sixty six thousand, six hundred miles
Speaker 1: an hour. You know, I started realizing, I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is when you when you put your eyes to the test,
Speaker 1: you can't possibly believe what science is telling you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, thousand percent. And that is such a good analogy
Speaker 4: going back to you know, have in the eyes of
Speaker 4: a child, and really we see the world for what
Speaker 4: it is, but then we're told how it's you know,
Speaker 4: this is no, no, no, it's not how you see it.
Speaker 4: This is how it really works. Oh okay, And that
Speaker 4: really sets the table for what we you know, for
Speaker 4: the next twelve years of our life through the education system.
Speaker 4: And again, this is not an attack on the teachers.
Speaker 4: It's an attack on the system that's been hijacked many, many,
Speaker 4: many many years ago. And these are the things that
Speaker 4: we're up against. Right. We talk about often one or
Speaker 4: two hours in church per week, and then they go
Speaker 4: to a public school system for thirty thirty five hours
Speaker 4: a week, and they dismiss the miracles of you know,
Speaker 4: Noah and Moses and Zachias and all these other stories
Speaker 4: that we read throughout the Bible, and the origin story
Speaker 4: of the world, the how the world was created, the
Speaker 4: firmament and all these things. Then they go to school
Speaker 4: and they're told, no, we're on a ball that's spinning.
Speaker 4: And even if you just listen how fast we're going,
Speaker 4: you know, just stick your heat out of a car
Speaker 4: when you're doing fifty five, and then that how fast
Speaker 4: we're spinning and moving, and that we wouldn't feel the wind.
Speaker 4: By the way, if you really want to learn how
Speaker 4: wind works, the Book of Enoch actually explains the four winds.
Speaker 1: Really, I actually my we were, my husband and I
Speaker 1: were just talking about it. I have the Book of
Speaker 1: Enoch and I've started reading it, but never really I've
Speaker 1: been so invested in reading my Bible the last few
Speaker 1: years that it's hard to like pick something else up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's on the list next.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it explains the four winds and you know, everything
Speaker 4: that we see, everything that we feel, even the things
Speaker 4: we can't see that we do feel, like the wind,
Speaker 4: that's all from God.
Speaker 1: I do, I do know. I mean every you know,
Speaker 1: every good thing comes from God. Right, So it's like
Speaker 1: every time I'm outside and I do feel that wind
Speaker 1: on my face, It's like, how could you not feel
Speaker 1: such a connection to your creator when you realize that
Speaker 1: where it all comes from, you know, everything, you know.
Speaker 4: That's why they have to have a scientific explanation for everything,
Speaker 4: because that takes away, that takes away from God. That's
Speaker 4: their mission is to trivialize and to minimize God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know what, like look, you know, if
Speaker 1: he was Ephesians, that tells us, you know, our struggle
Speaker 1: is not against flesh, it's against the powers of the
Speaker 1: rule of the dark world. Like there is an agenda here.
Speaker 1: And that's I think why it's more important now than
Speaker 1: ever to believe in true Earth, because I think a
Speaker 1: lot of scholars are probably on the same page right now.
Speaker 1: That we're probably getting close to Jesus's return. Ye, And
Speaker 1: if you believe that which it's you should because it's
Speaker 1: it's the truth, it's in the it's in the word.
Speaker 1: Then you know that thing's going to try to do
Speaker 1: everything in his power to make you think that that
Speaker 1: that's not true, and that God is not the real God.
Speaker 1: And so you know what, I know a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: especially like in was it in it you will know
Speaker 1: better than me. But meeting Zachariah when he sees an
Speaker 1: in the end times, he sees like a flying scroll,
Speaker 1: which if you like measure the dimensions, it almost looks
Speaker 1: like it could be a ufo and and it very much,
Speaker 1: you know, that's how he would have described it, because
Speaker 1: he would have had no other basis of comparison. And
Speaker 1: so you think, you know, if Satan's going to you know,
Speaker 1: if you know that the earth is the true nature
Speaker 1: of our earth, then you know there will be no
Speaker 1: alien life. So then you have to give an explanation.
Speaker 1: Well then what is it? Well, it's a demon, you know,
Speaker 1: and it's gonna deceive you. What you know, is it
Speaker 1: the terror that is going to be so so great
Speaker 1: that men will instantly die of a heart attack, the
Speaker 1: Bible says, or instantly fall to their death because the
Speaker 1: terror will be so great. You know what else could
Speaker 1: it be, you know than something like extraterrestrial. But again
Speaker 1: it's if you know then true nature. You're not going
Speaker 1: to be deceived by that.
Speaker 4: You had heard the podcast, that was the first time
Speaker 4: you came upon of we'll call True Earth. Right, Was
Speaker 4: there a particular video or did you go straight to
Speaker 4: the Bible? How did your your whole thinking go when
Speaker 4: you found the subject and you first initially latched onto
Speaker 4: that you were a full believer of.
Speaker 1: It was honestly maybe a day later because I started
Speaker 1: researching the rainbow and I was like, okay, something here
Speaker 1: is I just need to explain this away, Like you know,
Speaker 1: apologetics worked for me because that's just how my mind works.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, like I have to see the facts.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I need to figure out why
Speaker 1: the rainbow was arched. But then I went down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole and I came across the presentation of biblical cosmology,
Speaker 1: and it just broke it down and it's like two parts,
Speaker 1: Like it's not just the fact that you know the Bible,
Speaker 1: what the Bible says, because there's tons of versus you
Speaker 1: know that the Bible talks about. But it's also just
Speaker 1: the fact that that science is so deceiving, you know.
Speaker 1: And I always laugh when people are like, the Bible's
Speaker 1: not a science book. No, it's not, because science books
Speaker 1: are not real. And this is the truth. You know,
Speaker 1: it's not science, but it will tell you exactly how
Speaker 1: the Earth was formed, when the Earth was formed, you know,
Speaker 1: and everything else you need to know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I learned that lesson and it hit me.
Speaker 4: You know, when I first started going down the rabbit holes,
Speaker 4: I was going to websites, I was going to YouTube,
Speaker 4: I was going, you know, to buy books in the library,
Speaker 4: and then I was looking everywhere about the Bible, and
Speaker 4: I realized that, you know, the more you research, all
Speaker 4: of these rabbit holes connected, Yeah, you realize the greater plan.
Speaker 4: And then you go back to the Bible and it's
Speaker 4: all there right in front of you, laid out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, you know. It was sorry, I'm fine to.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I lost my trans thought just with the rabbit
Speaker 4: holes all leading back in you know, the Bible explains
Speaker 4: them all.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Actually I have a Bible study podcast, and
Speaker 1: I was it's a week by week of the New
Speaker 1: We go chapter by chapter through the New Testament, and
Speaker 1: both my co hosts and I, you know, our relationship
Speaker 1: with Jesus, like basically our love for the Bible, but
Speaker 1: also our relationship with Jesus formed when we took a
Speaker 1: backwards approach and read the New Testament first. So we're
Speaker 1: passionate about specifically the New Testament sharing it. But I
Speaker 1: was in the Book of Matthew and I came across
Speaker 1: the Parable of the Tenants and I was like that.
Speaker 5: It hit me.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is describing true Earth.
Speaker 1: It's describing flat earth. Because the Parable of the Tenants says,
Speaker 1: you know, Jesus talks about this man who builds, a
Speaker 1: landowner who planted a vineyard and he put a wall
Speaker 1: around it, and he dug a wine press in it
Speaker 1: and built a watch tower. And the parable goes on
Speaker 1: to say that he sent, you know, when the harvest
Speaker 1: was ready, he sent servants, but they beat the servants,
Speaker 1: they stoned the servants, and then he sent his son.
Speaker 1: So it's obviously a parable about God and Jesus. But
Speaker 1: as I'm reading it, I'm like, why would Jesus tell
Speaker 1: us the geography of the vineyard. You know, it's not
Speaker 1: intrismic to like, he wouldn't have needed to tell us
Speaker 1: the geography of the vineyard and order to tell the parable.
Speaker 1: So there's a reason why he said the geography. And
Speaker 1: as I start looking into it, you know, he said
Speaker 1: he dug a pit for the wine press, and that
Speaker 1: word pit just stood out to me, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's the you know, pit of hell is what I
Speaker 1: thought of. But then when I looked up wine press,
Speaker 1: it's used as judgment in the Old Testament, you know.
Speaker 1: And then the watch towers where God watches us from
Speaker 1: where there are so many psalms where it talks about
Speaker 1: God watching us from his watch tower, from his place.
Speaker 1: So I was like it, even the true Earth is
Speaker 1: in the New Testament, you know, it's not just the
Speaker 1: Old Testament versus that, you know, tell us the truth
Speaker 1: of what got it of, you know, what God created.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm not a big fan of referring other
Speaker 4: versions of the Bible, but the ESV is the one version.
Speaker 4: If you're reading the New Testament, it'll actually list like
Speaker 4: if you read it online, you can click when it
Speaker 4: says a verse where it reflects back to the Old Testament,
Speaker 4: which is really cool, right it So that's the thing.
Speaker 4: Bible is both the New the Old Testament. It's just
Speaker 4: awesome how they're intertwined with each other and the stories
Speaker 4: and the Old Testament reflect many of the same stories
Speaker 4: in the New Testament as well. And you know, I
Speaker 4: was talking with somebody the other day and how I've
Speaker 4: noticed over the five years of doing this, there's people
Speaker 4: when they come to flat Earth, True Earth, that they
Speaker 4: either just go all out and they want to tell
Speaker 4: the world where they completely shut down and their minds blown.
Speaker 4: And we were talking about Paul, right, and here's a
Speaker 4: guy who was not a gentile and what's oversaw the
Speaker 4: death of Steven and and he just completely he found
Speaker 4: you know, he had his interaction with the Holy Spirit
Speaker 4: and just was overwhelmed and he literally you know, went
Speaker 4: out to to to share the Gospel with all nations
Speaker 4: as we're instructed to. And it's it's exciting to see
Speaker 4: how every individual gets excited and wants to share the truth,
Speaker 4: both with the True Earth and with the Gospel of Jesus.
Speaker 4: And I think, you know, I've gotten some many emails
Speaker 4: over the years of people who have come to Jesus
Speaker 4: through understanding the lives of man and turning away from
Speaker 4: man and turning to God.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I read your last gas matrix from or Matrics from
Speaker 1: Australia mentioned that he came to God because of True
Speaker 1: Earth and I was like, welled, wow, Like that's just amazing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because it really And Manley P. Hall, who was
Speaker 4: at one point of Freemason, said that you know, when
Speaker 4: people finally understand, you know, they they're under they're able
Speaker 4: to understand symbolism that they use, that a vail will
Speaker 4: fall from man's eyes. And I think we're seeing that,
Speaker 4: and I think COVID had a lot to do with it.
Speaker 4: People started to say something's not adding up here, and
Speaker 4: people took the time to research these things, and here
Speaker 4: we are. There's been quite a movement, not just in
Speaker 4: True Earth, but in the people who feel an urgency
Speaker 4: to share the gospel because I think they realize they
Speaker 4: can see the way the world's going that maybe we don't.
Speaker 4: And I'm not here to be the guy I think
Speaker 4: the end is near, but I mean, no, I get it.
Speaker 1: And actually I have the same recently because you know,
Speaker 1: for our podcast we have and we had an Instagram
Speaker 1: page as of today. So I put out a memo
Speaker 1: and I was like, listen, like you know, through prayer
Speaker 1: and reflection, I am just like more and more being
Speaker 1: led away from my phone, Like I just every time
Speaker 1: I pick it up, I just I feel this connection
Speaker 1: with with God dwindling. Like I can't explain it other
Speaker 1: than I do not think it is a And it
Speaker 1: might be different for everyone. I mean, like you might
Speaker 1: only pick up your phone and read Bible verses. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but for me it wasn't. I was not
Speaker 1: doing that. And so I even just you know, bought
Speaker 1: a flip phone and I'm going to transfer over because
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm done with this, Like there is you
Speaker 1: know too much that satan like when okay, you know,
Speaker 1: like I read that verse that we are fighters against
Speaker 1: the powers and the pre that means that there is
Speaker 1: no gray. It is either for God or it is
Speaker 1: against God. And if it is against God, I don't
Speaker 1: want it. I don't want anything to do with it,
Speaker 1: you know, like our life, whether or not the end
Speaker 1: is upon us, You're still going to die, and that
Speaker 1: could be tomorrow, you know, and you're either going to
Speaker 1: wake up your eyes to Jesus or you're not. And
Speaker 1: you know I'm not taking any risks here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've really well said. And again that urgency that
Speaker 4: you're talking with today is being realized with the many
Speaker 4: people around the world. I can see it just in
Speaker 4: our weekly gatherings and seminary that they're all just like
Speaker 4: the conversations I have every week. They're people who understand
Speaker 4: that we've been deceived and even many of the churches
Speaker 4: have been deceived, and they don't want to be fair
Speaker 4: weather Christians anymore. They really want to get the message
Speaker 4: out because I think they're understanding if we want to
Speaker 4: change the world and make it a better place for
Speaker 4: our children and their children, you can't use secular ideals
Speaker 4: and vote harder. You need to change people their moral compass.
Speaker 4: And you know that whole thing of oh, no separation
Speaker 4: of church and state. You just where you keep your
Speaker 4: your your Jesus over there, and you know we'll keep
Speaker 4: our you know, non Jesus over here really is what
Speaker 4: it is.
Speaker 1: And you know, ironically, that's why America became so great,
Speaker 1: is because we were founded on the principles of God.
Speaker 1: You know, our government when it was first founded, was
Speaker 1: founded through God. And by God and and you know,
Speaker 1: commit it to God. So I don't know, like you know,
Speaker 1: p yeah, there is that separation, but it's like nobody,
Speaker 1: you know, the only thing in life that matters is God.
Speaker 1: It truly is like everything else is a mirage. Like
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of like we're in a we're in
Speaker 1: a simulated reality. People say that, but it's the truth.
Speaker 1: You know, you are every moment of your life. You know,
Speaker 1: there is a test, and you know you got to
Speaker 1: choose the right thing, like you have to read your Bible,
Speaker 1: get to know Jesus, and like you know, and and
Speaker 1: like I even said, the whole apologetics angle, like if
Speaker 1: you have any question about whether the Bible is true
Speaker 1: or not, just like you know, there there are so
Speaker 1: many wonderful books out there that have all the information
Speaker 1: in one source. You know, Josh McDowell was a big
Speaker 1: one for me where he showed you know, there's over
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand manuscripts. That's it's the most it's the
Speaker 1: most reliable ancient literature we have by far. You know,
Speaker 1: any other book that we have doesn't even come close
Speaker 1: to touching the validity of the documents that we have
Speaker 1: for the Bible. You know.
Speaker 4: You said his name was Josh McDowell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh McDonald. He's an apology apology apologetics, got apologetic, yes,
Speaker 1: along with Lea Strobell, those two. His book, I think
Speaker 1: is the case for Christianity, where it's just a fat
Speaker 1: book filled with facts.
Speaker 4: You know, I found, I found the link. I'll put
Speaker 4: that in the web in the shadows so people can
Speaker 4: check him out. And he's got a lot of information
Speaker 4: on his website and there is so many great resources
Speaker 4: out there right now, even on top of you know, seminary,
Speaker 4: I've been going through the FTC Institute online and they
Speaker 4: just have free courses out the wazoo and it's just
Speaker 4: so I love learning, I really do. And you know,
Speaker 4: I used to be a big sports fan and I
Speaker 4: could tell you somebody's batting average in July and who
Speaker 4: the quarterback is. And now I couldn't tell you who's
Speaker 4: I've just separated myself and it was nothing and tensional
Speaker 4: like It's just I think when you change your thinking,
Speaker 4: you focus just focuses a way. I haven't been in
Speaker 4: a movie theater in years. And I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: don't go to the movies. I'm just saying you do,
Speaker 4: your focus on what matters just changes and you become
Speaker 4: And it's a lot to read. Write sixty six books,
Speaker 4: thirty nine and twenty seven, it's a lot to read.
Speaker 4: And you know we have to write like fifteen hundred
Speaker 4: word essays on two verses, Like that's really how deep
Speaker 4: you can break down the Bible. Look at Gary Wayne,
Speaker 4: he wrote eight hundred and fifty page book on Gvenesis six,
Speaker 4: the first two verses. In that time, there were not
Speaker 4: great beasts. I forget the word what it is right now,
Speaker 4: but there were at that time, there were giants, right giants.
Speaker 4: And you know he came on the podcast and just
Speaker 4: he blows you away. But that's when you really learned that, well,
Speaker 4: maybe some of these the books of Joshure and Maccabees,
Speaker 4: and maybe we should at least read them to help
Speaker 4: as a kind of a separate account, right, because when
Speaker 4: you read Enoch, you've realized that the mark of Cain,
Speaker 4: it wasn't a curse, it was a blessing that God
Speaker 4: blessed him, He kept him alive with that mark. And
Speaker 4: you and also understanding, you know the world we live
Speaker 4: on and the shape of it, and you know at
Speaker 4: a very prominent YouTuber posted a flat Earth thing today
Speaker 4: on Twitter and he almost broke it. He showed a
Speaker 4: picture of you know, the with the sheol underneath, and
Speaker 4: he said, why did he take this picture out of
Speaker 4: the Bible? Because it was an old sixteen eighty two Bible,
Speaker 4: I think, And that's what we do. We collect these
Speaker 4: old Bibles and old books on eBay. And it's interesting
Speaker 4: how they have changed things over the last couple hundred years, right.
Speaker 6: I know, I do.
Speaker 1: I know. I have seen that as well. I know
Speaker 1: exactly the image you're talking about, but also have been
Speaker 1: looking at purchasing like an old Bible so that I
Speaker 1: can have those images because I'm like, oh my goodness,
Speaker 1: Like the heliocentric model is only like five hundred years older,
Speaker 1: so like, you know, it just it's crazy how quickly
Speaker 1: things changed. You know, every civilization before ours was more
Speaker 1: in tune with God, you know, than we are.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was Doug from Doug and Stacey who posted
Speaker 4: that a couple hours ago. Okay, you familiar with them.
Speaker 1: I am not. I'm kind of a bit, Like I said,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a baby true Earth. It's only been
Speaker 1: about two years, but you said, Doug In states.
Speaker 4: He's actually a homesteader, right he started out he's a
Speaker 4: huge account about homesteading, but he drops truth bombs all
Speaker 4: the time. He's been on the forefront of camtrails and
Speaker 4: and everything. He understands the divisiveness of politics and understands,
Speaker 4: you know, they're trying to through GMO, through our food
Speaker 4: and vaccines, they're trying to intentionally alter God's seed, whether
Speaker 4: it be us the human seed, or the seed of
Speaker 4: the food and the trees and everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, thankfully, before I was you know, like
Speaker 1: like you touched on it, you said, COVID was a
Speaker 1: time where a lot of people started questioning things. I
Speaker 1: think that's where my faith really exploded. You know, that's
Speaker 1: when it really took a lot, like on a whole
Speaker 1: life form of its own. But before that, you know, thankfully, though,
Speaker 1: even though my faith was I knew Jesus and I
Speaker 1: was believing, but you know, I was like so focused
Speaker 1: on being a mom and being a wife, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, life gets in the way, and I just
Speaker 1: think God had my eyes opened enough to know that
Speaker 1: something was not you know, right with the vaccines, And
Speaker 1: you know, thank God because now you know now that
Speaker 1: I you know, now that I am reading the Bible
Speaker 1: all the time, I would have never vaccinated, like that
Speaker 1: would have been my reason. But before it wasn't like that,
Speaker 1: you know. Thankfully I had my eyes open to that.
Speaker 1: But you're right. I mean, it's like it's just been
Speaker 1: a constant. You know, what did God say in Jena?
Speaker 1: Says be fruitful and multiply to Adam? You know, Satan's
Speaker 1: trying to destroy God's plan and that's always been his objective.
Speaker 4: Like I tell people, I say, just google the Georgia
Speaker 4: guidestones to time me with the very first rule on
Speaker 4: there is and it was to keep the world population
Speaker 4: at five hundred million in perpetual balance with nature. And
Speaker 4: does that sound like go forth and multiply or does
Speaker 4: that sound like call seven point five billion people? And
Speaker 4: that's just people like wow, and you just have to
Speaker 4: plant those seeds. I have a few more questions and
Speaker 4: I want to weave back into flat earths some of
Speaker 4: your your silver bullets, et cetera. But one of the
Speaker 4: things you had mentioned in your email was the Catholic
Speaker 4: Church being an agent of corruption, you.
Speaker 1: Know, And it's not like just I'm not specifically calling
Speaker 1: out the Catholic Church. You know, I was raised Catholic,
Speaker 1: and I say this with such great you know love
Speaker 1: for for people, you know, for Catholics. You know, it's
Speaker 1: any church that if you really read scripture and if
Speaker 1: your eyes are truly opened, there are so many contradictions
Speaker 1: that I started to feel really really uncomfortable with, you know,
Speaker 1: like their sacred tradition, which you know, Mark seven thirteen says,
Speaker 1: you know, you nullify the word of God with your traditions.
Speaker 1: In Colossians, it says, you know, see that nothing takes
Speaker 1: you captive, which depends on tradition rather than Christ. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I know that a lot of these traditions
Speaker 1: can feel empty because I did them for my whole life.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not trying to knock anybody or any faith.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like I always say this, George,
Speaker 1: when we die, we're not all going to wake up
Speaker 1: to our own version of heaven. There was going to
Speaker 1: be one answer. And if and if your church is
Speaker 1: misleading you, then you need to wake up, you know,
Speaker 1: like the papacy even just like a simple reading of
Speaker 1: the New Testament and God Jesus says, do not call
Speaker 1: any one father. You have one father in heaven. You're
Speaker 1: all brothers. The veneration of Mary, they call it veneration,
Speaker 1: they're not. It's not worship, it's veneration. Well, you're praying
Speaker 1: to somebody that's not Jesus, you know. Jesus says, I
Speaker 1: am the way the truth. Nobody comes to the Father
Speaker 1: except through me. There's one mediator, Timothy says, there's one
Speaker 1: mediator between God and men, and it is the man,
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. There's no reason like I even if they
Speaker 1: tried to, even if you try to say, well, it's
Speaker 1: not it's just a respect. I respect all of the prophets.
Speaker 1: You know. One day we're going to meet them and
Speaker 1: I'll tell them, but I am only going to pray
Speaker 1: to Jesus because that's who truly hears my purse. Otherwise
Speaker 1: it's like almost necromancy, which the Bible and Deuteronomy also
Speaker 1: warns again, you know, So it's like there's just so
Speaker 1: many contradictions and even just like a simple simple this
Speaker 1: is like silly. I don't know if it, but Catholics
Speaker 1: maintained that Mary was a state of virgin right.
Speaker 4: Joseph, his brother, he had four brothers, right, and two sisters. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I'm like it says in multiple scriptures in the
Speaker 1: New Testament, you know, your brother and sisters and mother
Speaker 1: are waiting outside for you Jesus, you know, and and
Speaker 1: He's like, no, no, you're my brothers and sisters. But
Speaker 1: the point being, if they can lie about something little,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like Robert F. Kennedy's junior says, you know,
Speaker 1: if if pharmaceutical companies can lie about the little things,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna not lie about the big stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And so that is, uh, you know, if they can
Speaker 1: lie about the little stuff, what would be the purpose?
Speaker 1: You know, we also have to see that, like sex
Speaker 1: is a gift to a married couple, why it would
Speaker 1: Mary be exempt from that gift from God? You know,
Speaker 1: I just don't see. I just don't see the logic
Speaker 1: and lying about that, you know. And just in general,
Speaker 1: like the Vatican itself. You know, there are so many
Speaker 1: things about the Vatican. They are estimated at tens of
Speaker 1: billions of dollars.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 1: There are secret tunnels under the Vatican, you know, they
Speaker 1: the hiding of the crimes for the priests. There's just
Speaker 1: so much. There's so many moral contradictions there art collection
Speaker 1: worth billions. I just don't maybe it's it's maybe it's
Speaker 1: just you know, I feel like just a read through
Speaker 1: the New Testament will point out so many contradictions that
Speaker 1: the Church itself is preaching. And and I don't know
Speaker 1: what would be the purpose of telling us to pray
Speaker 1: the saints telling or to venerate saints are telling us,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're trying to lead you astress.
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, you hit the nail on the head that
Speaker 4: the Vatican. They own a lot of land in Israel.
Speaker 4: I think they're the second largest landowner in Israel outside
Speaker 4: of the Israeli government themselves. They're worth ten to fifteen
Speaker 4: billion dollars. It's just the things that aren't champion. Jesus
Speaker 4: was like, you know, sell everything and follow me, right,
Speaker 4: And he talks about how difficult it is for wealthy
Speaker 4: people to get into heaven. If it's easier for a
Speaker 4: camel to go through the eye of a needle, it's
Speaker 4: not looking too good, right. And the other thing I
Speaker 4: wanted to mention, and I just wrote about this the
Speaker 4: other day. In Paul's letter to the Galatians, he confronted
Speaker 4: a situation a real problem in the early days of
Speaker 4: Christianity and the influences of rival teachers that were distorting
Speaker 4: and challenging Paul's leadership, and they were identified as Judaizers,
Speaker 4: and that was the whole story of circumcision or not
Speaker 4: to be circumcised. And Jesus is very clear it's not
Speaker 4: through works, it's through faith. And I think that's what
Speaker 4: that they try to project is. And that's the whole
Speaker 4: reason Protestantism exists because of the indulgences and is like
Speaker 4: it's through grace and it's through faith. It's not through
Speaker 4: actions and paying and saying you're sorry to a man
Speaker 4: and praying to marry. And again, I'm not out of
Speaker 4: here to you know, on a Catholic crusade by any way,
Speaker 4: shape or form. It's just it just contradicts the Bible,
Speaker 4: right And you know, again.
Speaker 1: If like you understand that the Bible is the source
Speaker 1: of truth, and you really have to ask yourself those questions,
Speaker 1: why does their why do their teachings contradict what the
Speaker 1: truth is telling me? You know? And and even in
Speaker 1: you know, there even I feel like there's always like
Speaker 1: one Bible verse that like sometimes will just make all
Speaker 1: other arguments null and void. And and you know, in
Speaker 1: Galatians one, eight Peter says, but even if we or
Speaker 1: an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel
Speaker 1: contrary to the one that we preach to you, let
Speaker 1: him be a cursed And I mean, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a lot that they're preaching that is not in the
Speaker 1: gospel at all. And that right there proves that there's
Speaker 1: something amiss.
Speaker 4: Amen, I want to slowly segue into biblical cosmology. Were
Speaker 4: you ever did you ever take the time to think
Speaker 4: about the moon landing prior to being awake to flat Earth?
Speaker 4: Or is that something you always just never thought about
Speaker 4: or did you think it was fake all your life?
Speaker 4: What did you think about that?
Speaker 1: And NASA as a whole, you know NASA well, I gosh, ironically,
Speaker 1: I was always the biggest fan of NASA. I had
Speaker 1: like my phone case was NASA. I was like, this
Speaker 1: is the coolest. I couldn't wait to you know, one
Speaker 1: day like expl like you know, assuming that you know
Speaker 1: in heaven. I was like, we will explore the galaxies
Speaker 1: and the planets and everything. All that was my fascination,
Speaker 1: It really was. I loved everything about it. I loved
Speaker 1: learning about it. All of my movies, my favorite movies
Speaker 1: were sci fi movies, going to space, all of that.
Speaker 1: I ate all of that up. But I think the
Speaker 1: thing that turned me onto the Moon Landing being fick
Speaker 1: was I was always just a giant conspiracy theorist. I
Speaker 1: just I don't know, I just I loved them all.
Speaker 1: But they also made sense to me. And when I
Speaker 1: started looking into them, I'm like, oh, these aren't conspiracies,
Speaker 1: these are the truth. But somebody had told me about
Speaker 1: a movie and I don't remember the name of it now,
Speaker 1: but it was like Room six three six or something
Speaker 1: like that, where it was it was about all of
Speaker 1: the ways that Stephen King, or not Stephen King, but
Speaker 1: Standy Kopbrick deviated from the script of the Shining and
Speaker 1: if you really pay attention to all of the clues
Speaker 1: that he left us, and how many Apollo eleven signs
Speaker 1: were in that movie. I don't know. I was watching
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, hit a minute, and then you know,
Speaker 1: of course, I went down that rabbit hole of like, well,
Speaker 1: hold on, because don't we have images? And now, of
Speaker 1: course that seems like the easiest thing to accept was
Speaker 1: that we were not on the Moon, you know. It's
Speaker 1: it's obviously it's much harder to convince people that we
Speaker 1: live on a flat Earth than it is that the
Speaker 1: man didn't go to I think most people now believe
Speaker 1: that we did not go to the Moon simply even
Speaker 1: just the just the radio transmissions, like how do you
Speaker 1: transmit radio and sound through a vacuum of space? You know,
Speaker 1: and all of these questions now that I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, I feel silly for ever believing that.
Speaker 4: So I think the movie you were alluding to was
Speaker 4: Room two thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Yes, Room two thirty seven.
Speaker 4: It's directed by Rodney Asher, and it talks about may
Speaker 4: reveal hidden clues and hint at a bigger thematic theme.
Speaker 4: So yeah, of course, and that one, of course has
Speaker 4: the rocket on it, the tang in the closet, and
Speaker 4: of course there's a story that the movie the last
Speaker 4: movie he made right before he died. Oh goodness, gracious,
Speaker 4: but he showed it. It was about the Rothschild's and
Speaker 4: the balls they had, and it was basically exposing the
Speaker 4: things they did. And the Warner Brothers executives said, you
Speaker 4: have to cut this out because it's basically outing the
Speaker 4: wealthy people and the things that they do, the occult things.
Speaker 4: And he passed away that night after he showed that movie.
Speaker 4: And what's really interesting is if you go from the
Speaker 4: day he died to January first, two thousand and one,
Speaker 4: which is biggest movie was two thousand and one of
Speaker 4: Space Out to see it was six hundred and sixty
Speaker 4: six days.
Speaker 1: No way, Yeah, that is crazy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I can see it's the movie where they're
Speaker 4: all wearing masks. And I'll remember it but before we're done,
Speaker 4: and I'll put the note in the uh in the
Speaker 4: in the show notes. I'm having a brain cramp right now.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 4: But yeah, the truth is in you know what do
Speaker 4: they say fiction on TV? And the truth in movies
Speaker 4: and television. And segue into that is, you know, almost
Speaker 4: every TV show from the fifties still today. And we
Speaker 4: saw a noir type of film the other day. I
Speaker 4: think I mentioned on the last podcast. I mean every
Speaker 4: every scene had a globe in there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, mm hmm. It's even like the iPhone, you know,
Speaker 1: which I think is like a satanic tool, like the
Speaker 1: bloom Marble or the what is it called the bloom
Speaker 1: what is it called?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the two thousand and eight Blue Marble I think
Speaker 4: it's called Yes, the Blue Marble was part of it,
Speaker 4: which the Rob Simmons, who's the the who's the one
Speaker 4: who made He's he's the one that based photoshopped that image.
Speaker 1: He admitted it with CGI. He said, it is photoshopped.
Speaker 1: It has to be, you know, we don't have, you know,
Speaker 1: like an image of the Earth. And now that now
Speaker 1: that I understand, like the firmament and you know, like
Speaker 1: it's a crystal in structure, and Ezekiel he talks about
Speaker 1: it being like hammered out like crystal, and obviously like
Speaker 1: the rainbow, we know that it has to be some
Speaker 1: type of crystal in structure for the light refraction to
Speaker 1: work that way. But now that I know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's like now that I know that, I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like we've never been to the moon. No ever,
Speaker 1: we can't.
Speaker 4: Yeah, now we know you can't because it was placed
Speaker 4: in the firmament and we looked at rakiah, which means
Speaker 4: solid and there's no there's no getting through by the
Speaker 4: way that movie was eyes wide shut. Tom Cruise his
Speaker 4: the person uh he like infiltrated a secret society which
Speaker 4: the roth Childs were part of and some very occultish
Speaker 4: things going on, and they're like, you can't do this,
Speaker 4: and so anyway, yeah he died. They cut like that
Speaker 4: thirty minutes out of the movie.
Speaker 1: Wow. You know, And I believe that, like you know,
Speaker 1: if I kind of do think that, if you're I
Speaker 1: tend to believe that if your name is on the
Speaker 1: world stage, you're either there because God puts you there
Speaker 1: or because Satan put you there.
Speaker 4: Oh h percent. And I'm glad you said that because
Speaker 4: there are some people and we I guess we tend
Speaker 4: to be doubters because so many of the people on
Speaker 4: the world stage are corrupt. But I do believe there
Speaker 4: are good ones as well, and it's tough for them obviously,
Speaker 4: because look at I know everybody likes to argue Mel
Speaker 4: Gibson good or bad, but I think Mel has done
Speaker 4: more good than bad. He's been on the forefront of
Speaker 4: exposing you know, the things that go on with with
Speaker 4: missing children, and really after that, he's been black bolding.
Speaker 4: Up until that time, he was one of the biggest names.
Speaker 1: In Hollywood, right, you know, but then you have you know,
Speaker 1: like Beyonce for example, right, she has admitted on camera
Speaker 1: and interviews that something comes into her. She looks up
Speaker 1: and she feels something come into her. That's why she
Speaker 1: calls her alter egosash affairs. You know, there' at least
Speaker 1: three or four videos that I myself have seen that
Speaker 1: she looks it looks like something has happened to her
Speaker 1: during the course of her show where she looks to
Speaker 1: become demon possessed, you know, And it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel like, you know, you I don't know.
Speaker 1: You have to be careful who you talk to because
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, they automatically discredit you, like, oh, you're crazy.
Speaker 1: But it's like no, you know, the Bible says like
Speaker 1: our fight is against the It's not a flesh fight.
Speaker 1: It is the it's the demons of the world, and
Speaker 1: that's a spiritual world that we don't see. And what
Speaker 1: happens in the spiritual will manifest in the physical. And
Speaker 1: if your name is on the global scale, then a
Speaker 1: global scale. If your name is on the world stage,
Speaker 1: then you know there's a reason it's there. And what
Speaker 1: did you do together get there? You know, who are
Speaker 1: you worshiping? I also feel like, because you know, our
Speaker 1: mission in life truly is to bring followers to Christ.
Speaker 4: You know, that's it.
Speaker 1: It's the Great Commission, and it's for everybody. And if
Speaker 1: you have that type of clout and you're not using
Speaker 1: it for Jesus, sometimes that also answers your question, like
Speaker 1: who this person is truly worshiping?
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm careful because many times so my friend,
Speaker 4: his sister in law is a security company and he'll
Speaker 4: do some gigs for her. He was at the state
Speaker 4: fair last week and there was a country artist. I
Speaker 4: don't remember his name. I don't really follow it, but
Speaker 4: he was a fairly big name, I guess. He said
Speaker 4: there was seven thousand people here in Little Delaware at
Speaker 4: our state fair, and he said every other word he
Speaker 4: was dropping the F bomb. He drank a fifth of
Speaker 4: Jack Daniels and twelve beers, and kids, the children were
Speaker 4: up there playing with them. And at the very end,
Speaker 4: after twelve beers and a fifth of Jack and a
Speaker 4: F bomb every other word, he thanked God. So it's
Speaker 4: he was floored.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It's just really after that, I know, and sometimes it's.
Speaker 1: Like I'll be watching and my heart just kind of
Speaker 1: breaks because you know it's like like is it jelly
Speaker 1: roll or whoever he's lately, you know, talking about God
Speaker 1: also at his concerts. But then he'll be like, you know,
Speaker 1: God's gonna have a whiskey bar for me when I
Speaker 1: go to heaven. And I'm like, and maybe it's just
Speaker 1: like no, baby, Christians like you just are still in
Speaker 1: the process of learning, you know. But it's like you
Speaker 1: just really pray that people's eyes get opened, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's you know, it's very real. Like it's it's
Speaker 1: funny the things that we you know, that we allow
Speaker 1: to take up our time, you know, And sometimes I
Speaker 1: get stuck in like the the daily life, the groundhog
Speaker 1: day of my tasks and you know, the laundry and
Speaker 1: the kids and this and this and this, and you
Speaker 1: get lost, you know. But I'm always reminded of, you know,
Speaker 1: Matthew six thirty three. Seek first the Kingdom of God
Speaker 1: and his righteousness, and everything will be added to you.
Speaker 1: And it's funny because the times that I choose to
Speaker 1: do that, and the times that I actually choose to
Speaker 1: put my mind in my heart on God but still
Speaker 1: go through those tasks, like it's almost like He gives
Speaker 1: you this supernatural ability to just do it all, you know,
Speaker 1: he'll he'll got you through it, and it just feels
Speaker 1: like my anxiety. Like somebody recently even said to me,
Speaker 1: they're like, you're different, you know, you just seem different,
Speaker 1: like you seem like happier or not stressed. And I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like you said a little while ago, you were like,
Speaker 1: I just don't focus on that stuff anymore. It's funny,
Speaker 1: what like your eyes, like your your window narrows when
Speaker 1: you truly realize what is important. And I think that's
Speaker 1: just where I am is. I'm like, yeah, I used
Speaker 1: to be so gung ho about like reading about, you know,
Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical industry like corruption. Even during COVID, I had
Speaker 1: made fast face mask that said, you know, every pharmaceutical
Speaker 1: manufacturer is a convicted felon that I work. So I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to wear masks. I'm going to
Speaker 1: tell people the truth. But now I'm like, I don't
Speaker 1: even remember the last time I researched that stuff, because
Speaker 1: it's just like I had this piece or on my
Speaker 1: heart and I'm like, I'd rather just seek the kingdom.
Speaker 4: That's it, you know, Yeah, yeah, and yeah they call
Speaker 4: it doom scrolling, and that's I used to do it,
Speaker 4: and they want you to react. They want that negative
Speaker 4: aura to be cast among the people, right, And that's
Speaker 4: a big part of the political scheme, is to get
Speaker 4: people against each other and then the doom's scrolling and
Speaker 4: the reacting. And I can't believe you said that. It
Speaker 4: is I know, you know, it's that's so cool. You
Speaker 4: said you got a flip phone. I was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know if I can text like that thirty years
Speaker 4: ago again, like, I struggling.
Speaker 1: And it'll be hard to learn. I'm sure.
Speaker 4: Well I had thought about doing that too, but me
Speaker 4: and my friend Shad all day, I'm like, man, am
Speaker 4: I going to be able to text? You know, hitting
Speaker 4: the G buttons for the seven three times to get
Speaker 4: a G or whatever. But God bless you for doing it,
Speaker 4: because really it is that that is really one of
Speaker 4: the biggest distractions today. I think there's some people out
Speaker 4: there that if you took their phone away, they wouldn't
Speaker 4: know what to do for about a week.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think that that's part of the One
Speaker 1: World government.
Speaker 4: It's oh yeah, the black mirror.
Speaker 1: Yeah, to depend on technologies so much that we won't
Speaker 1: be able to go without it. And you know, it's
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like, gosh, I was definitely getting there,
Speaker 1: you know, even just things, but like, oh I got
Speaker 1: a It's crazy how many times I picked up my
Speaker 1: phone during the day. It's almost like I get so upset,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a recipe or oh I just
Speaker 1: got to ask the me in my Amazon car. But
Speaker 1: while I'm there, I'm gonna just text the front. And
Speaker 1: it was just like I was living on this space
Speaker 1: that I'm like, the space is giving me nothing, it's
Speaker 1: adding nothing to my life.
Speaker 4: Yep, absolutely good for you. I'm glad you did that.
Speaker 4: I think I covered everything from there. Let's jump into
Speaker 4: your six silver bullets. You know, what were the big
Speaker 4: things when you did the research that really pulled you
Speaker 4: to understand that the you know that we are not
Speaker 4: on a spinning ball.
Speaker 1: You know again, it was just what my eyes saw
Speaker 1: and my eyes did not. What I saw with my
Speaker 1: eyes is not what lined up with what I had
Speaker 1: been taught. And it's kind of like, uh okay, like
Speaker 1: like silly things. But crepuscular rays, right, the angles must
Speaker 1: converge at the source. That's basic geometry. And when I
Speaker 1: started looking at it, I'm like, oh my god, that
Speaker 1: Sun is not ninety three million miles away. That is
Speaker 1: just not It's not possible if you use basic math,
Speaker 1: you know, and just look with your eyes the moon.
Speaker 1: We always see the same face of the moon, right,
Speaker 1: And I cannot wrap my head around why people don't
Speaker 1: question that now, And I mean I didn't either, but
Speaker 1: now that I see it, I can't unsee it. And
Speaker 1: I know that like science quote unquote tells us that
Speaker 1: the reason we always see the same face of the
Speaker 1: Moon is because it spins exactly at the same speed
Speaker 1: as Earth. But if you think about it, that makes
Speaker 1: no sense because when the Earth, when the Moon is
Speaker 1: orbiting the Earth, and the Earth is traveling around the
Speaker 1: Sun at sixty six six hundred miles an hour, at
Speaker 1: some point the Moon would have to intuitively speed up
Speaker 1: an additional sixty six six hundred miles an hour just
Speaker 1: to catch up to the Earth to be able to
Speaker 1: rotate it around it again. And so you know, when
Speaker 1: you look at this, like when you just really see,
Speaker 1: like it just does not add up, you know, flight path, Like, okay,
Speaker 1: if the Earth is spinning at one thousand miles an hour,
Speaker 1: then like let's say I'm taking a flight from Illinois
Speaker 1: to California. It's four hours there and it's four hours back.
Speaker 1: But if the Earth is spinning at one thousand miles
Speaker 1: an hour and an airplane only travels about six hundred
Speaker 1: miles an hour, then at one of those flights would
Speaker 1: just never get me back home. You know, it just
Speaker 1: doesn't add Nothing was adding off, and I was just like,
Speaker 1: there was too many questions, you know, and and you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not aud you know at that time when I
Speaker 1: was like, when I tell people, you know, about true
Speaker 1: earth or whatever, and I haven't told many people obviously
Speaker 1: because they just look at you like you have two heads.
Speaker 1: But if you try to talk about it, I always
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, I might believe that the
Speaker 1: Bible is a source of truth, and I believe wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: Then if you're if you are out to find truth,
Speaker 1: you will inevitably land up at Jesus and the Bible.
Speaker 1: Like I know that to be true. But to soften
Speaker 1: the approach, I always say, look, you don't have to
Speaker 1: assume the Bible is real, but what you are being
Speaker 1: told is definitely not real. There are too many questions,
Speaker 1: and there are too many things that make no sense.
Speaker 1: Even the sun spot on water. How could from ninety
Speaker 1: three million miles away there'd be such a like a
Speaker 1: little sun spot. And also like outer space doesn't have
Speaker 1: sunlight pouring through it to get to the Earth, so
Speaker 1: at some point it cuts off in the darkness of
Speaker 1: space and then once again enters our atmosphere, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. There were too many questions, and I
Speaker 1: was like, this is not adding up for me.
Speaker 4: And ten years ago I would ask those questions, and
Speaker 4: I would look at the scientific answers and I just
Speaker 4: feel dumb, like why am I even asking? I apologize,
Speaker 4: Lord of scientism right then? And now I read it
Speaker 4: like you said, why do we only see one side
Speaker 4: of the moon? Synchronous rotation, tidal locking and all these
Speaker 4: other things, And it's and like you said, when you
Speaker 4: actually sit down and do the math, you're like, wait
Speaker 4: a second. Right, It's like when you're buying a new
Speaker 4: car and he wants to sell you the warranty and
Speaker 4: you're like, wait a second. You know the undercoating from
Speaker 4: the nineties. You old folks know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 4: But it's truly important, and that's usually the first line
Speaker 4: of defense for people when you try to talk to him.
Speaker 4: Why does it matter? I have to go to work
Speaker 4: tomorrow anyway, I saw bills to pay? Why does it matter?
Speaker 4: And that that is a big one that I think
Speaker 4: everyone should be prepared out of all the questions you're
Speaker 4: going to get is why the lie? That that is
Speaker 4: an important tool to have in your toolbox to be
Speaker 4: prepared to reply with right.
Speaker 1: And you know, like you know, like you said, you
Speaker 1: know why the lie? You know, obviously there's a bigger reason.
Speaker 1: There's a spiritual reason why Satan does not want you
Speaker 1: to believe in around earth. But you know, like like
Speaker 1: your last guest who was saying, you know, the flatters
Speaker 1: brought him to God. It there is so much peace
Speaker 1: and there is so much I mean, I can't even
Speaker 1: explain it in words, the feelings you get when you realize,
Speaker 1: you know, we are the center of the earth God created,
Speaker 1: He's watching us. You know. I believe his throne room
Speaker 1: is right above the polaris, you know, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: He's He's there the whole time. And in that way,
Speaker 1: it truly gives you the energy you need to just
Speaker 1: get through this life. And every day just like I
Speaker 1: have a creator, he is with me, He is above me,
Speaker 1: He is around me, you know. It makes it so
Speaker 1: much more special, you know, than just like we're just
Speaker 1: part of this like giant galaxy that goes on infinitely
Speaker 1: in all directions and we're just spinning and we're just
Speaker 1: part of it, and it's just like no, no, we're not.
Speaker 4: Could you tell us a little bit about your podcast?
Speaker 1: Sure? Yeah, My it's a study through like I said,
Speaker 1: through the New Testament. What happened was about eight years ago.
Speaker 1: I started getting this really strong feeling from God that
Speaker 1: he wanted me to do something, and I didn't know
Speaker 1: what it was. I just had this crazy feeling and
Speaker 1: it kept getting stronger and stronger and stronger, and then
Speaker 1: one night I was And actually, in that time, I
Speaker 1: didn't tell anyone about the feeling, but I started doing
Speaker 1: various things. I started writing a book, but then it
Speaker 1: didn't feel like that was it. I opened up a
Speaker 1: bunch of social media pages and I was like, maybe
Speaker 1: I'll just like preach from this platform, but that didn't
Speaker 1: feel authentic. So I was praying to Jesus one night
Speaker 1: and I was like, Jesus, I will do these were
Speaker 1: my words, Jesus, I will do whatever you want me
Speaker 1: to do. I just need you to reveal it to me.
Speaker 1: And a week later, my husband came home with all
Speaker 1: of the equipment I needed to start a podcast, and
Speaker 1: I said, why are you giving me this stuff? Like
Speaker 1: I was so confused, and he's like, well, you told
Speaker 1: me you were going to start a podcast. But that
Speaker 1: was never a thought in my mind because that was
Speaker 1: just never thought of my mind that I would have
Speaker 1: never wanted to And I said, I never told you that.
Speaker 1: But then the second thought I had was, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: I I told Jesus that I would do what I
Speaker 1: promised him. And then my third thought was like a command,
Speaker 1: and my third thought was this is for you. And AJ.
Speaker 1: And now AJ had been my physical therapist that I
Speaker 1: saw like twice a year, and I loved her instantly
Speaker 1: like her and I instantly hit it off, absolutely loved
Speaker 1: She's one of the most like, innocent and just genuine
Speaker 1: people I've ever met. But I was like, Okay, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be really weird because I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it. I'm going to ask her, but it's gonna
Speaker 1: be weird. And so I took her out to breakfast
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm like, okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 8: Tell you this.
Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you from the beginning, and everything
Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you is the truth. And so
Speaker 1: she as soon as I was done talking, she said,
Speaker 1: you're not going to believe this. She said, But two
Speaker 1: nights ago, she said, I was going through something really
Speaker 1: deep and I had never been that upset before, and
Speaker 1: I was praying to Jesus and I said to him, Jesus,
Speaker 1: if you take care of this problem, I will do
Speaker 1: whatever you want me to, almost identical to my words
Speaker 1: on to Jesus when I was praying, I will do
Speaker 1: whatever you want me to. And she said an hour later,
Speaker 1: a phone call came through that changed, that took care
Speaker 1: of the problem. And the next morning you took me
Speaker 1: out and said, I think Jesus wants us to start
Speaker 1: a podcast. So we at first were just walking in obedience.
Speaker 1: We were just walking in obedience, and so we were like,
Speaker 1: we don't know from from the moment we had that breakfast.
Speaker 1: Six months later we had our first episode. And I
Speaker 1: am not technically like nothing, I don't know how to
Speaker 1: do any of that. So it just all kind of
Speaker 1: fell into my lap. God took care of us. But
Speaker 1: we started off as an apologetics based podcast, I guess,
Speaker 1: but now it's evolved into a Bible study because that's
Speaker 1: just really where our passion is. And I would just
Speaker 1: say it's more of an organic Bible study. We I
Speaker 1: don't follow like a formula. We're not you know, like
Speaker 1: the acronyms or whatever. You know, this really happened and
Speaker 1: we wobbed Jesus and so we just read each chapter
Speaker 1: and just calm and have a conversation about it.
Speaker 4: That's really awesome. What are you guys on now? What
Speaker 4: are you studying now?
Speaker 1: So we're still in the Book of Matthew. I think
Speaker 1: we're this week we're on Matthew chapter sixteen.
Speaker 4: Awesome. That is so awesome. You know, the Gospel. It's
Speaker 4: interesting reading the you know, the four books by the
Speaker 4: four different Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, and then the
Speaker 4: Book of Acts where Paul comes in the ascension and
Speaker 4: you know, where the church is born. It's something I
Speaker 4: always go back to, and it's something that motivates me,
Speaker 4: and it is such a positive story when you look,
Speaker 4: you know, when I look back to five years ago
Speaker 4: and then I look at how eleven of the twelve Disciples,
Speaker 4: you know, how their lives ended. You know, that was
Speaker 4: true conviction. And then I look and including myself, this
Speaker 4: is not me staring down at people like how quickly
Speaker 4: we folded in many cases because of the threats of
Speaker 4: getting in right, And then you see the conviction that
Speaker 4: these guys had in Jesus Christ. It really has inspired
Speaker 4: me to to stay focused and take the next step.
Speaker 4: And I hope our listeners, you know, again through the emails,
Speaker 4: it's it's motivated a lot of people, including yourself. Now
Speaker 4: you're up and running with the podcast and your changing lives,
Speaker 4: so that that is so awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is so inspiring. But it's also like
Speaker 1: important to remember, you know, they weren't always perfect, like
Speaker 1: they weren't always so like Peter denied Jesus, you know,
Speaker 1: because I like to I have to give myself grace
Speaker 1: sometimes cause it's like, you know, even just last week,
Speaker 1: we were reading about you know, Jesus feeding the four thousand,
Speaker 1: but it happened right after he by the five thousand,
Speaker 1: and we were questioning, we were like, why what is
Speaker 1: up with these disciples? Like they you know, but I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, that's me. I see myself
Speaker 1: in them because you know, God has been Jesus has
Speaker 1: been so good to me. He has spoken to me,
Speaker 1: he has reassured my spirit. He has given me miraculous
Speaker 1: signs and supernatural things like I have. But yet something
Speaker 1: will come along that will, you know, make me worried
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my gosh. You know, sometimes the
Speaker 1: problem feels bigger than God, and I'm like, I'm those disciples,
Speaker 1: you know, like you see a big problem and you
Speaker 1: forget about His miracles sometimes.
Speaker 4: Absolutely and to kind of round things out, to round things.
Speaker 4: I checked myself when I say that all the time.
Speaker 4: But well with the with the people in your inner
Speaker 4: circle there, how did they perceive when you first brought it,
Speaker 4: you know, to them like, hey, I think the whole
Speaker 4: globe thing is a lie.
Speaker 1: Okay, So sadly, I'm so excited to talk to you today.
Speaker 1: I don't have too many people to talk to about it.
Speaker 1: My husband is amazing, and he is like my sounding board.
Speaker 1: I talk a lot, and he's the one who hears
Speaker 1: the end of it or the you know, he gets
Speaker 1: the receiving end of it. I believe he is now
Speaker 1: in tune with true Earth. I taught a class at
Speaker 1: a church I love a rooted group. It's like a
Speaker 1: class in church on how to like deepen your relationship
Speaker 1: with Christ. It's like a twelve week class. And I
Speaker 1: taught that class, and I there's you know, parameters in
Speaker 1: the church room, you know, what you can and can't
Speaker 1: talk about. Where we were just yeah. And but after
Speaker 1: that group, you know, after those twelve weeks, me and
Speaker 1: those women became so close and I love them, and
Speaker 1: I decided to We met up for coffee one day
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, I'm gonna drop it on,
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna tell them, like, guys, read you know,
Speaker 1: read your Bible. This is really exciting. This is what
Speaker 1: God says about our creation and like about our Earth.
Speaker 1: And it was just like not well received. And I
Speaker 1: just truly don't because maybe I'm such a baby still
Speaker 1: with the True Earth Movement and I just don't know everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just And also it's like I'm a type of
Speaker 1: person that if I'm arguing with somebody or like if
Speaker 1: I'm talking to somebody, my adrenaline gets so great that
Speaker 1: it just wipes my brain and I'm like I don't
Speaker 1: know what to say, you know, I don't know how
Speaker 1: to defund myself, so I personally don't even bring it
Speaker 1: up to too many people because like I tried to
Speaker 1: bring it up with a safe group and it was
Speaker 1: so not well received that I was embarrassed in a way.
Speaker 1: I felt bad. I was like, gosh, you know, anytime
Speaker 1: you learn more truth, you know, really that's a level
Speaker 1: of enlightenment that you have reached. And it's really hard
Speaker 1: to talk to somebody that is not at that same level.
Speaker 1: And it's not an insult to you or them, it's
Speaker 1: just that you're at different levels of enlightenment. You know.
Speaker 1: Even two years ago, I have Ado, a doctor of osteopathy,
Speaker 1: and I was leaving her office, you know, because my
Speaker 1: daughter was sick. But during that time our visit my
Speaker 1: you know, I was telling her. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my daughter has this virus and the symptoms. And she
Speaker 1: has always been, you know, Christ follower, and that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why I love her, why I loved
Speaker 1: her so much. But she said, she's like, oh, ursa, like,
Speaker 1: there's no such thing as viruses. Like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's the spear. You know, it's everything in the spiritual,
Speaker 1: manifest and physical. You know, it's you could pray over
Speaker 1: all of it, and I was like I left that
Speaker 1: day and I was like, okay, like, looks like time
Speaker 1: to find a new doctor, you know. And now you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I have now reached that level where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get exactly what she was talking about, but two
Speaker 1: years ago I didn't, and so it made me look
Speaker 1: at her in an unfavorable light. But you know, that
Speaker 1: was just I don't know that was my pride or what.
Speaker 1: But now I'm like, wow, she was right, yeah.
Speaker 4: And we're all It's funny. I look back when I
Speaker 4: was first introduced to flat Earth, my initial reaction of
Speaker 4: deleting the email and then actually going back to my
Speaker 4: trash and my email, pulling it back out reading it
Speaker 4: just because I was at a point, well, well, if
Speaker 4: everything else is a lie, maybe just maybe it's possible.
Speaker 4: And it didn't take me long, but it was a
Speaker 4: long two weeks of I can't believe this, like the
Speaker 4: lie is this big and it kind of and that's
Speaker 4: really yeah, led me back into the Bible into you know,
Speaker 4: everything that comes out of man's mouth that that level
Speaker 4: is meant to deceive us, and I'm trying to shield
Speaker 4: people and explain the truth and I when you mentioned that,
Speaker 4: I was thinking back. I had a very similar situation
Speaker 4: at a church barbecue and they looked at me like,
Speaker 4: you know, somebody called nine to one one, get this
Speaker 4: nut job out of here. But then they even defended
Speaker 4: it to the fact that oh, yes, it was a
Speaker 4: Big Bang theory, but God kind of had his hand
Speaker 4: in it. And I'm like, where, I've read Genesis seventeen
Speaker 4: hundred times and there is nothing that resembles the Big Bang.
Speaker 1: Well, even the Catholic Church they say that that create,
Speaker 1: like evolution is real. They believe in evolution, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, that's like one oh one. You know
Speaker 1: that's Bible one oh one, Like that can't just the
Speaker 1: first page of Genesis God created you know, there is
Speaker 1: no evolution, although I will say like when it comes
Speaker 1: to you, you know, like having the scales removed from
Speaker 1: your eyes. I do wonder all the time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: what else do I believe that is not real? And
Speaker 1: actually I had that moment let's meet to your podcast
Speaker 1: because somebody said something about dinosaurs and I'm like, wait
Speaker 1: a minute, like I'm what are you talking about? So
Speaker 1: I haven't even started looking into that. I don't even
Speaker 1: know where I would begin, but I was like, do
Speaker 1: I believe in some Is there something else that I
Speaker 1: believe that might not be true?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I think I think the dinosaurs after I first
Speaker 4: went from dinosaurs never existed to it's all a deception
Speaker 4: to maybe they were the Great Beast's pre flood. Uh huh, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, that God just decided you're not.
Speaker 4: You know, I know some people say that's not possible.
Speaker 4: He took two of every species, but maybe they were
Speaker 4: so big. You know, that's something that we all have
Speaker 4: an opinion on, I think obviously. I mean, the big
Speaker 4: part of the lie is that it was ten million
Speaker 4: years ago, right, that's obviously not debatable in my eyes
Speaker 4: because right only six you know, sixty five hundred years
Speaker 4: ago or so if you look at the genealogy and
Speaker 4: the Bible. By the way, Copernicus was Catholic.
Speaker 1: Yes, I know, I'm Polish and I'm also Polish, so
Speaker 1: it's like double.
Speaker 4: Whammy, double whammy on you. And Martin Luther actually called
Speaker 4: him a heretic too. But these are the things you'd
Speaker 4: ever hear of. H Yeah, what was there anything in
Speaker 4: your bullet points or anything you wanted to mention that
Speaker 4: we haven't talked about yet.
Speaker 1: No I think that. No, I think we covered it all.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this has been a great discussion. We covered many
Speaker 4: gambits and I love your enthusiasm and so thankful to
Speaker 4: have people like you, because again, this is a spiritual
Speaker 4: war and right having people like you and the foxhul
Speaker 4: is certainly a blessing. And I appreciate everything you do
Speaker 4: to share the gospel of Jesus and you know, sharing
Speaker 4: true worth and helping opening people's eyes which leads to
Speaker 4: them receiving and being able to see that it's not
Speaker 4: receiving but to see the man's deception. And I think
Speaker 4: like many of us, get us back in the good book.
Speaker 1: Amen, and thank you too. Really, I mean, I've learned
Speaker 1: so much from listening to your podcast, especially when I
Speaker 1: was just starting out. I remember searching on Apple podcasts.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, there's got to be somebody out here
Speaker 1: that has a podcast, and so I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Oh that's awesome. I really appreciate it. I'm looking forward
Speaker 4: to check out your podcast and Ursula is linked to
Speaker 4: your podcast which is called The One Lost Sheep, The
Speaker 4: One Lost Sheep. Thank you. The link and her email
Speaker 4: will be in the show notes. So Ursula again, thank
Speaker 4: you so much for your time. I really appreciate it
Speaker 4: was great to meet you.
Speaker 1: You too, George, thank you.
Speaker 4: And to all the listeners, thank you for your continued support.
Speaker 4: I hope everyone has a great weekend. God bless you.
Speaker 4: Keep your head on a swivel, and until we meet again,
Speaker 4: my friends, we will see you.
Speaker 5: I've walked through that chase, shadows too long, built walls
Speaker 5: of prime where my heart wants been along.
Speaker 6: I've turned from mercy. I've run from your grace, lost.
Speaker 3: In me.
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Speaker 4: It's through the endless n.
Speaker 6: Down on money, with the trembling.
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Speaker 7: Spoke words and aig left scars through the years. I've
Speaker 7: done it in your promise, question your plan, Yet you
Speaker 7: still read child with nail scar hands.
Speaker 10: God forgive me for Master Boyce, for trading.
Speaker 8: Your truth all the world.
Speaker 11: Serrade, I'm broken, I'm aware, but I still believe. Oh God,
Speaker 11: forgive me your gray syrus seed.
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Speaker 10: All, God forgive me, restore mad every tear I cried,
Speaker 10: You've counted them all, every step by stoneb You've caught
Speaker 10: my fall. Your mercy is a riv it's never run dry.
Speaker 10: You're calling me home, though I don't know why. God
Speaker 10: forgive me for the worlds alme.
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Speaker 8: I'm down on my knees with a trembling clean. Oh God,
Speaker 8: forgive me setting my soul free. God forgive me, God
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