Speaker 1: Get ready, my mid it's May ninth, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm split between like eight different apps here and
Speaker 1: other functionalities, trying to get live with my co host.
Speaker 1: You know, I wanted to test this last night with
Speaker 1: the phone calls, but I didn't announce it ahead of
Speaker 1: time and nobody called in. So anyway, we're live. It's
Speaker 1: Friday night, and it is the open mic, even though
Speaker 1: we went to air fifteen minutes late. Anyway, beat Peter's
Speaker 1: with me, and you can be too, still with the
Speaker 1: same old phone number until we figure out how to
Speaker 1: switch that. However, with the way it looks, it's kind
Speaker 1: of wonky, so they might take away my ability to
Speaker 1: dial and connect to teams with a phone number. Let's
Speaker 1: see how it goes, okay anyway for now, three one
Speaker 1: nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three
Speaker 1: one nine, five two seven five zero one six. Look,
Speaker 1: I don't care about the news today. I didn't look
Speaker 1: at it. It's probably wacky as hell, and a whole
Speaker 1: lot of people are concentrating on what the white smoke,
Speaker 1: the new Pope holy smoke. It'd be a new Pope.
Speaker 2: Huh hey, quick update. I got talking with somebody in
Speaker 2: chat and she wanted to know when does she call?
Speaker 1: Ah, she can call right now she wants to, and
Speaker 1: I'll bring her in on the switchboard. Three one nine
Speaker 1: five two seven five zero one six. That's the number
Speaker 1: to call anyway. Let me see, do we have chat?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: I don't have a chat up that shows me that.
Speaker 1: But that's okay.
Speaker 3: Oh see, I got chat is in chat.
Speaker 2: I got a bunch of anonymouses in chat. Nobody's typing
Speaker 2: anything yet.
Speaker 1: That's okay, that's okay. I'm gonna let them know that
Speaker 1: we went live here.
Speaker 2: Gail's responded to and this is scar see.
Speaker 3: We'll get ready to call.
Speaker 2: I'll call it for such a flake and forgot for
Speaker 2: Dad's asleep though, So it's just gonna be Gail.
Speaker 1: No problem at all. Always good to hear from Gail.
Speaker 1: So be more than happy to see her come up
Speaker 1: on the switchboard. And she's getting to test this out
Speaker 1: with us tonight. But I'm telling you right now, this
Speaker 1: situation is not gonna hold. We're gonna have to still
Speaker 1: find another way. And by the way, I looked at
Speaker 1: a couple of different options where they were like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: we'll give you an international phone number and all this
Speaker 1: other cool stuff, and I went, great, Only problem, you
Speaker 1: need like a ten digit passcode. So in other words,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to give you a brand new phone
Speaker 1: number every night, and then I'm gonna have to give
Speaker 1: you another ten digits. You gotta. I don't think I
Speaker 1: would go through all that aggravation to call a new
Speaker 1: radio show. And I used to like to do that,
Speaker 1: like on the overnights and stuff when I lived in
Speaker 1: New York. I would call it sports radio, this is
Speaker 1: true stories, by the way, sports radio, political radio, on
Speaker 1: the overnight, weird story, you know radio on the overnight,
Speaker 1: I would call in. I was a caller on radio shows. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I do see that we have a caller on the line,
Speaker 1: so I'm going to get straight to that caller. But
Speaker 1: anybody else who wants to join us three one nine
Speaker 1: five two seven five zero one six, and hopefully our
Speaker 1: caller can hear us and we can hear our caller.
Speaker 1: Let's see how it goes. Hey, I think I just
Speaker 1: unmuted you.
Speaker 3: Is that me?
Speaker 1: That is you?
Speaker 3: Okay, Chuck?
Speaker 4: Please, oh my god, don't think we'll go ahead and
Speaker 4: judge me because I do it too.
Speaker 3: I am so sorry.
Speaker 4: I forgot that it was Friday, and jeez, the day's
Speaker 4: just run into each other.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. Hey, but BP man, he stayed on it.
Speaker 1: I know he got me. I know, and I'm not
Speaker 1: going to judge Gail. Why would I judge it? You
Speaker 1: know what? I know that the second that something happens
Speaker 1: in your world, you get on the horn with Doug,
Speaker 1: and Doug gets to do a show with you. Then
Speaker 1: I try to do a show with you and you
Speaker 1: weren't feeling well. And then I ended up talking to
Speaker 1: your husband while I was live on the air, and
Speaker 1: I'm talking to him on a separate phone because you
Speaker 1: didn't feel well, And then your lawyer didn't want you
Speaker 1: to talk for a little bit. I think, so I
Speaker 1: know where life chuck.
Speaker 3: Why would anyone want to be me?
Speaker 4: Why would anyone want to impersonate me?
Speaker 3: Hack me? I don't know. I just don't know.
Speaker 4: My life is kind of weird right now, but it's
Speaker 4: all good.
Speaker 1: Are you listen?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 3: My life's always kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Let me get one thing straight with you. Since I
Speaker 1: am part of the planning committee this year, are you
Speaker 1: coming to Lancer or not.
Speaker 5: I well, I mean Gabby as me and I told
Speaker 5: her I would then excellent, Okay, okay, Chuck, okay, Chuck.
Speaker 4: But I do have to say this, Yes I I
Speaker 4: didn't know gush am I on my air?
Speaker 3: Yes am I on the air?
Speaker 1: Yes, then I.
Speaker 3: Better not better not say. But we all know the
Speaker 3: I told her I would.
Speaker 4: They were always so kind to me, and you know
Speaker 4: I I yeah, I I just don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: much care for that gruber guy and I didn't know
Speaker 4: that he was going to be there.
Speaker 3: Why can't it just be you? I mean, why can't it?
Speaker 3: You're the better podcast?
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I think, Okay, I understand what you're
Speaker 1: saying there, but uh yeah, yeah, and I get it.
Speaker 3: You don't get to say so.
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing. I have a say so, but
Speaker 1: I don't have control of the organization, right. I got
Speaker 1: a vote, that is what I got Gail, and I
Speaker 1: do have a significant vote, but but it's not good
Speaker 1: enough to uh yeah, uh. I can't can't certain things
Speaker 1: I can't choose. But I'll tell you this. I did
Speaker 1: repel a few things from the get together this year
Speaker 1: that would have been there otherwise, And I know you
Speaker 1: and I know I'm making it into a better situation.
Speaker 1: And I'm actually reaching out to some people that probably
Speaker 1: never got heard from before and wouldn't have gotten heard from,
Speaker 1: you know, God blessed Deborah, God blessed Deborah and everything.
Speaker 1: But she has retired from this situation now and that
Speaker 1: took some handcuffs off of the organization. Yeah, just wanted
Speaker 1: you to know that. So there's a little more of
Speaker 1: an influence on it from me this year than ever
Speaker 1: has been.
Speaker 4: But well, yeah, but that one someone I don't know
Speaker 4: who you guys are asking to speak, but I can
Speaker 4: suggest several I mean I can I you know Linda,
Speaker 4: you know Linda, you know Linda Giovanna Zambanini.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm waiting for her. I'm waiting for her to
Speaker 1: send me some material. Actually yep.
Speaker 3: M oh, okay, Well you're ahead of me, so neverver mine,
Speaker 3: No no problem about you took. Why aren't you going
Speaker 3: to be up there and talk? Why not? Be pete?
Speaker 3: You guys are smart? Why not? And entertaining? Why not?
Speaker 3: You guys?
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna be doing that. Well, I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: doing the MC job. Okay, uh And yeah, and that's
Speaker 1: fine by me because I also do about five other
Speaker 1: things while everything else is going on, and people don't
Speaker 1: necessarily realize that. But I do a lot of behind
Speaker 1: the scenes stuff. Okay, yeah, so yeah, I've been keeping
Speaker 1: it running really and yeah, that's what goes on there.
Speaker 1: I mean logistically the one year I was literally running
Speaker 1: around with pieces of furniture trying to trying to tamp
Speaker 1: things down and get things together because things were not
Speaker 1: planned perfectly. Let's say. Yeah, and uh so, so I'm
Speaker 1: and around doing a lot of things I don't even.
Speaker 3: Want to try.
Speaker 1: It is hard.
Speaker 4: Doing is hard putting on conventions or conferences or I
Speaker 4: love all that stuff because I used to do it
Speaker 4: years ago, but I it's hard, so I can feel
Speaker 4: your pain.
Speaker 1: And and the other thing is I like being available
Speaker 1: to team up with people, much like I did with me. Yes,
Speaker 1: I did with the one year. And I stepped aside
Speaker 1: the one year when we didn't have enough microphones for
Speaker 1: the panel because I thought it would be better if
Speaker 1: we put Larry on there instead of me.
Speaker 3: And you know, look, Larry going to be there.
Speaker 1: Larry is not going to travel there this year. He's
Speaker 1: going to handle the Facebook group, and he's doing more
Speaker 1: than he wants to, really because I keep asking him to.
Speaker 1: But but honestly, yeah, Larry doesn't want to travel. I
Speaker 1: get it. And you know, I got one guy coming
Speaker 1: all the way from Australia and yeah, and it's Look,
Speaker 1: it's going to be different this year. I assure you
Speaker 1: that much, and I really want you to be part
Speaker 1: of that different. But look, let's put that aside for
Speaker 1: a minute, because I'm reading from other people that now,
Speaker 1: not only did we we covered, you know, the successful
Speaker 1: ruling you had not too long ago regarding the film,
Speaker 1: and you know your your your dad's lawsuit basically okay,
Speaker 1: and that because that's that's who the playtive is in
Speaker 1: the lawsuit. But anyway, I read from somebody and I
Speaker 1: really felt bad because I was like, I wish I
Speaker 1: had known ahead of this other person that apparently there's
Speaker 1: action being taken against the sixth Floor Museum.
Speaker 4: Now, which doesn't make me the most popular person in
Speaker 4: the world.
Speaker 3: But hey, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, you know, truth is truth, lying is lying, and well,
Speaker 4: I mean it.
Speaker 1: Doesn't that Pete Pete is cracking up.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, beat, you know, I'm not one of the
Speaker 4: most popular people in the world, you know, everybody.
Speaker 3: I couldn't understand.
Speaker 2: But it's just the way she said it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, but your your your laugh is so loud.
Speaker 1: It was like drowning round.
Speaker 3: I like it though, I love.
Speaker 1: It too, but it was just too funny. Please, but
Speaker 1: can you explain. I don't mind. Your popularity is always
Speaker 1: good with me. Okay, So what's going on there? What's happening?
Speaker 3: Okay, Well I can only say because.
Speaker 4: You know, I still have the freaking muzzle, so whatever.
Speaker 4: Leland de la Garza, who is the attorney who talked
Speaker 4: to Jeff Meek who wrote that article. What he said is, well,
Speaker 4: I mean there's a lot more into it that, oh
Speaker 4: my god, I wish I could talk about. But in essence, okay,
Speaker 4: in essence, we my dad. I hired Jane Silverberg and
Speaker 4: Jamie is his name. He used to work for me.
Speaker 4: I mean in the early nineties when I was in
Speaker 4: grad school. I didn't have time to keep up with
Speaker 4: everybody that was using the next film and.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I mean it was everywhere, you know.
Speaker 4: So I hired him and I found that he also
Speaker 4: was representing the Cruder family. But it's okay because he
Speaker 4: told me he was, and if you want to see
Speaker 4: the Subbruiterer film, you're gonna want it. And if you
Speaker 4: want to see the next film then you want, then
Speaker 4: you want it. And it got to the point where
Speaker 4: I thought, what the heck? I made more money and
Speaker 4: gave it to authors and wouldn't charge him, and he
Speaker 4: was And I'm such a control freak, I guess because
Speaker 4: I look at the Knicks film as my baby. I
Speaker 4: have tried so hard to protect it and find it
Speaker 4: in all these years.
Speaker 3: So Dad.
Speaker 4: Decided to donate is the word, but really it was,
Speaker 4: you know, give it, sell it to because to me,
Speaker 4: it was giving to the Six Floor Museum. And he said, Gil,
Speaker 4: let me have Jamie's number. I said, no, Dad, I
Speaker 4: fired him. He said I got to have a lawyer
Speaker 4: to do it. And I said, well, okay, here's the number,
Speaker 4: but I'm not talking to him.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it. No.
Speaker 4: Well, come to find out, the six Floorer had hired
Speaker 4: him before they even made the deal with my dad,
Speaker 4: So not only was he representing the group, which I
Speaker 4: was aware of, but I wasn't part of the selling
Speaker 4: the copyright. You know that story, you know what it is, right,
Speaker 4: So and I don't want to get into it, but
Speaker 4: you know what it is.
Speaker 3: And so it really.
Speaker 4: Caused a strain within my family because I and my
Speaker 4: mother were the only ones that said no, I, I, no,
Speaker 4: we're not going to sell the copy, right, But Dad said,
Speaker 4: it's my film, it was my grandfather's I mean, your
Speaker 4: grandfather's my dad.
Speaker 3: I'm still alive. And I said, okay, Dad, okay, So
Speaker 3: he's sold it.
Speaker 4: And we found out that Jamie Silverberg was working for
Speaker 4: the six Floor before they even asked my.
Speaker 3: Dad about the copyright. So it was a big old fraud,
Speaker 3: conflict of interest in the conflict yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah all the way, and didn't tell Dad. And
Speaker 4: we didn't know about this, by the way, I didn't
Speaker 4: know this until like two years ago.
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Now what's really sad here? What's really sad here, dail is.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of this, but you know,
Speaker 1: somewhere in the mid nineties, there, uh, there was more
Speaker 1: than one lawyer calling up more than one researcher and
Speaker 1: asking them for leads on where the films were being shown,
Speaker 1: displayed used because we didn't have the internet so you
Speaker 1: could look up everybody's document entry, right, And so they
Speaker 1: were coming to guys like me and asking us, where
Speaker 1: have you seen the Zubruder film or where have you
Speaker 1: seen the Knicks film? And you know, and I even
Speaker 1: pointed out to you one night when we were on
Speaker 1: a show like ten years ago. I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I recall it being used on a television show that
Speaker 1: I was watching. And you were like, I never saw
Speaker 1: it on there, And I said, I guarantee you if
Speaker 1: you see the full cut of the show, it's there.
Speaker 1: They call it something else, but it is the Knicks film,
Speaker 1: and it is the part you know before they're on
Speaker 1: Elm Street and they use that from the mix and
Speaker 1: they put it, you know, in context. They were trying
Speaker 1: to put in context with the Zapruder film because Zubruter
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything outside of Elm Street. Okay, So they
Speaker 1: show the mix part of Maine, you know, and then
Speaker 1: they show the Zapruder part of Elm And they're doing
Speaker 1: this in a documentary. And I told you about that
Speaker 1: on the show one night that you didn't know about
Speaker 1: that was everywhere, yep. And I remember these guys.
Speaker 4: It was hard to keep up with Chuck and Air.
Speaker 4: I am going to grad school and then I got
Speaker 4: pregnant in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: I told you my life is not like normal people.
Speaker 3: It just isn't.
Speaker 4: But anyway, that's that's essentially what the what the lawsuit
Speaker 4: is about, is that you know these some of these lawyers.
Speaker 3: And I'm not saying all lawyers are disgusting. I mean
Speaker 3: it would be like saying all podcast guys or discuss
Speaker 3: It would be like saying that everybody who talks about
Speaker 3: the jfk assassination is in it for the money. What
Speaker 3: a joke.
Speaker 4: First off, And I know this is going to sound
Speaker 4: so freaking hypocritical, and I don't mean it. I'm don't
Speaker 4: want it to sound that way.
Speaker 3: But if you.
Speaker 4: Don't stand up to people who are doing bad things,
Speaker 4: you are just as bad as they are. And Okay,
Speaker 4: people who don't know the story are like, oh, look
Speaker 4: at her, she's just trying to make money. No, No,
Speaker 4: I have been doing this since nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 3: I wrote books. Do you know how much money I
Speaker 3: have made?
Speaker 4: Almost two books, really and truly because I had to
Speaker 4: give it all to the lawyer, seventeen thousand dollars. Okay,
Speaker 4: so I'm getting rich, right, I'm getting a real rich
Speaker 4: over all this.
Speaker 3: But right is right and wrong is wrong.
Speaker 4: And thank you God that I finally got attorneys who
Speaker 4: have a few ethics and a few morals and a
Speaker 4: sense of what is right and what is wrong?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: What about the gentleman? What about the gentleman I met
Speaker 1: last year at the.
Speaker 3: Coney Yeah he's still. Yeah, I can't say his name.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I'm talking about it, but he still
Speaker 5: I can't think but yeah, oh yeah, Okay, I just want.
Speaker 1: To make sure he's still. He's still in the on
Speaker 1: tune nicks here. That's all I want.
Speaker 3: Yeah he is, he is good. Lord, I have got
Speaker 3: seven freaking lawyers. Seven.
Speaker 5: Sometimes I feel like roadkill on a two lane highway in.
Speaker 4: Texas and the vultures are circling, circling. I mean sometimes
Speaker 4: I kind of feel that way, you know, when I.
Speaker 1: Go through a divorced Yeah, I'm feeling those divorceries. I'm
Speaker 1: feeling those wives too. You know what you get handled
Speaker 1: when see Gail doesn't know about this because you know
Speaker 1: she's actually stayed married, but you know when when you
Speaker 1: get divorced and uh and and also I think it
Speaker 1: has something to do with being a guy. But when
Speaker 1: you're divorced and you're a guy, you know, sometimes it stings. Gail.
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you, uh three on my last one,
Speaker 1: could lawyers?
Speaker 3: How could it not? How could it not?
Speaker 4: He listen to you, guys, Darryl Daryl came out, my husband, Darryl,
Speaker 4: he came out yesterday in out the door. And just
Speaker 4: so you know, I, Darryl and I are My dad
Speaker 4: was in a rehab center, which is a nice way
Speaker 4: of saying nursing home seriously, and I fighting with other
Speaker 4: members of my family who kind of wanted him to
Speaker 4: stay there.
Speaker 3: I shouldn't even say kind of, and I.
Speaker 4: Was just adamant about no, no, no, Now. I am
Speaker 4: not putting down nursing homes because please God, people need them.
Speaker 3: But Dad, I knew that my kids are grown, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. I knew that he.
Speaker 4: Could stay with us and we could watch him in it. Now,
Speaker 4: I had no idea how hard all this caregiving is.
Speaker 4: So this is a brava, This is a congratulations.
Speaker 3: This is a way to go to.
Speaker 4: Everyone who is listening to you that's a caregiver, because
Speaker 4: it's a hard, hard job that we need to remember
Speaker 4: it is a circle of life, and our parents did
Speaker 4: it for us, and if we've got the energy in
Speaker 4: all to do it, then at least me and my
Speaker 4: husband do I mean, what we're doing, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean? And that's where I am on top of
Speaker 4: all this other stuff, which is all good. And I'm like, Dad,
Speaker 4: you've got to work with me. You've got to get stronger,
Speaker 4: because he's been there for like four months, and my
Speaker 4: husband and I were there.
Speaker 3: Every week, every other day we were up there.
Speaker 4: But you can watch people just mummifying pretty much, is
Speaker 4: how I look at it. I mean, where their brain's
Speaker 4: not being used, where no one's staying do them where
Speaker 4: the rehab they can only.
Speaker 3: Do so much, you know, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And that's where we are. So I wish I had
Speaker 4: remembered it's my fault that it's Friday, because I would
Speaker 4: have kept Dad awake so he could say, hello, I'm
Speaker 4: doing anything I can to keep him.
Speaker 3: A part of.
Speaker 5: Society, a part of culture, a part of He just
Speaker 5: needs to know that.
Speaker 4: He's important, you know what I mean. To me and
Speaker 4: Daryl are my kids. But to the world, I said, Dad,
Speaker 4: there's plenty of people that would like to know things
Speaker 4: that if they haven't read my book.
Speaker 3: Or you were right there.
Speaker 4: I mean, he's the one that my grandfather called in
Speaker 4: the middle of the night when Dinah Color called to say,
Speaker 4: you've got the.
Speaker 3: Assassination and he's like, no, I thought of my but
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 4: My grandfather said that I thought I might have, but
Speaker 4: I wasn't sure, so he called my dad up. At
Speaker 4: that time, that was sixty three, So my dad was,
Speaker 4: what twenty four thirty nine, what's thirty ninth sixty three,
Speaker 4: that's when he was born, So twenty two twenty.
Speaker 3: Three young, I mean young, just like Lee Harvey Oswald,
Speaker 3: just like Reuel Frasier.
Speaker 4: They all were, I mean, So they went running down there,
Speaker 4: and Dad has seen the original film. I have never
Speaker 4: seen it in almost sixty seven years, I have never
Speaker 4: seen the original film.
Speaker 3: But Dad was down there and saw it with my grandfather.
Speaker 4: On the white walls and Dinah Color at the Dinah
Speaker 4: Color processing when I'm watching it until the camera operator.
Speaker 3: Said, instru next, we need to stop.
Speaker 4: Because I'm scared we're gonna burn the film because you
Speaker 4: know they use that light bulb, you know, I mean
Speaker 4: on the projectors.
Speaker 3: So yeah, and Dad went with Dad. Dad went with.
Speaker 4: Pap Ulp with my grandfather to New York to Time Life,
Speaker 4: where they just totally made my grandfather feel like a.
Speaker 3: Sub human person.
Speaker 4: We considered time Life said to him, this is C. D.
Speaker 4: Jackson and those guys, they said to my grandfather, we
Speaker 4: look at this as a nuisance film. And I mean,
Speaker 4: my grandfather had all these delusions of grandeur that that
Speaker 4: he was gonna they He believed that the Subpruder film,
Speaker 4: you know, was they gave him twenty five thousand.
Speaker 3: Now, of course we all know it was a lot
Speaker 3: more than that, a lot more than that.
Speaker 4: And so he thought if he got twelve five, I mean,
Speaker 4: he and my grandmother could retire.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is seriously what he thought. And they said,
Speaker 3: we consider this a nuisance film. We'll give you three
Speaker 3: thousand dollars for it.
Speaker 4: And my grandfather stood up sixty five, my dad sixty seven.
Speaker 4: And both of them stood up, and James Wagonboard was there,
Speaker 4: the late James Wagonboard. He was the one that walked
Speaker 4: him up the stairs. And he said that my grandfather
Speaker 4: clinched his fist turned and it started turning red from
Speaker 4: his fists.
Speaker 3: All the way up to his head because he.
Speaker 4: Was so embarrassed and so he felt like he was
Speaker 4: being mistreated and he was, I mean he was.
Speaker 3: And as they went.
Speaker 4: Down the stairs, James Wagonboard took him back down the
Speaker 4: stairs there was re Schoenfeld and Bert Rhinehart from UPI and.
Speaker 3: Said, oh, did you sell it? Did you sell it?
Speaker 4: He said, hell, no, I didn't sell it, and he goes, well,
Speaker 4: Bert Reinhart said, well, come with us, we want to
Speaker 4: buy it.
Speaker 3: And that's what happened. I mean, that's why UPI got
Speaker 3: it right.
Speaker 4: And for years before they started, you know, they went
Speaker 4: with Ted Turner and started CNN and the Turner Network TV.
Speaker 3: That was Bert Reinhart.
Speaker 4: And Ree Schomfeld. They carried it around in their pocket.
Speaker 4: In fact, Ree Schomfeld the film, I carried it around
Speaker 4: in their pocket. That's how protective they were of it.
Speaker 4: And Breece Schompeld has written, well, he's passed away now
Speaker 4: since too, but he wrote a couple of articles for
Speaker 4: the Columbia Journalism Review.
Speaker 3: I believe I.
Speaker 4: Think that's who it was about the Knicks film and
Speaker 4: who all was asking for it. And Dick Billings, who
Speaker 4: we later found out was with the CIA through documentation
Speaker 4: and a work for time life. He was very in
Speaker 4: didn't and I.
Speaker 3: You know these people here, this.
Speaker 1: Would be the same. This would be the same Dick
Speaker 1: Billings that co wrote the book and also co wrote
Speaker 1: the House Select Committee on Assassinations Report, right, but he
Speaker 1: also co wrote the book the book with g Robert
Speaker 1: Blakey after that limited hangout of the HSCA. Just want
Speaker 1: to point that out for listeners in case they didn't
Speaker 1: know Dick Billings was. And yeah, please go ahead, But
Speaker 1: I have an idea when you're all done with this,
Speaker 1: and I wonder what you think of it, because I
Speaker 1: would love to if we could arrange for it, record
Speaker 1: your dad and you telling this story, Okay, telling this
Speaker 1: story in a way that it could be presented at
Speaker 1: Lancer and have you in person if you can go
Speaker 1: introduce it, we talk about it, add to it. But
Speaker 1: have your dad there that way, if he can't travel
Speaker 1: to you know, in this way, he could be there
Speaker 1: in front of everybody, and he's a witness to something
Speaker 1: that went on here regarding the film in the history.
Speaker 1: I think that would be a valuable thing to do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead, Sorry, well, no, don't be sorry.
Speaker 4: No, I agree and I know that he would love that,
Speaker 4: but I you know, I don't know if he's going
Speaker 4: to be up to do. He's in a wheelchair, as
Speaker 4: am I. But at least I can use a kine.
Speaker 3: And Dad, my husband and I work with him every
Speaker 3: day trying to get his uscles back.
Speaker 4: And I don't know, he's eighty six years old, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And so, but he's not an
Speaker 4: eighty six year old like Jim Levelle was or.
Speaker 3: Like whoever is still around.
Speaker 4: Robert Blakey, by the way, when you brought up Robert Blakey,
Speaker 4: I don't know what's going to happen right now with
Speaker 4: the federal case. I know that we're just talking about
Speaker 4: the sixth floor. I've got two of them going on
Speaker 4: at the same time, which is why I have so
Speaker 4: many freaking lawyers. But Robert Blakey has told me over
Speaker 4: and over jail, we had the original we had it
Speaker 4: at the House Select Command, and I know they did.
Speaker 4: I mean I know they did, and he said if
Speaker 4: he came up missing during my tenure, I.
Speaker 3: Will take full responsibility.
Speaker 4: Well, I've told these lawyers y'all, if we go to discovery,
Speaker 4: you guys.
Speaker 3: Need to subpoena him and get him up there talking
Speaker 3: to the judge.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm so hoping I can find the film,
Speaker 4: but I I don't know that they're going to tell me.
Speaker 4: I don't know that they are.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know anything anymore. I feel like
Speaker 3: I have known all along and now all the.
Speaker 4: All the people who lie. I can't take it, Jack,
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 3: There are liars all.
Speaker 4: And there are more liars in the world than there
Speaker 4: are honest people.
Speaker 3: In my opinions, at least, it's a little orbit.
Speaker 1: I have absolutely look, absolutely true number one. Number two,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people telling stories for different reasons,
Speaker 1: trying to protect themselves. Okay, and I'm not going to
Speaker 1: mention any names, because you know what, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be friendly and diplomatic with everybody at this point. Who's
Speaker 1: you know, even remotely worth a damn to be honest
Speaker 1: with you? But it's but it's very hard because yeah,
Speaker 1: I know some people are very dist you love me
Speaker 1: or you hate me, and I've always look, I always
Speaker 1: love you. I know. I know I'm not exactly on
Speaker 1: the top of the order there for the guys you
Speaker 1: call for stuff or whatever. But I am one of
Speaker 1: your biggest supporters. I want you to know.
Speaker 3: That, Tucky, Tucky, Chucky, chuck e Chucky.
Speaker 4: I so appreciate that. But listen to me, all right.
Speaker 4: I just I'm a bit of a mama bear.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 4: And Doug and Rob I you know. I I talked
Speaker 4: to them when they were just first starting out, and
Speaker 4: nobody was saying this iNeST to him, and I said, man,
Speaker 4: these guys know what they're talking about, they're doing.
Speaker 3: And that's one. I mean.
Speaker 4: I feel like a stepmom to them, you know, and
Speaker 4: I am old enough to be their moms you too,
Speaker 4: for that matter. That's all that is. That's me with
Speaker 4: my little step children. Okay, I told it. I did
Speaker 4: not really, I understand.
Speaker 1: Look, I lost my parents very early in life, so
Speaker 1: I'm not accustomed to having a mama bear anyway. So
Speaker 1: it's fine. I get it. It's cool. I get it,
Speaker 1: you know. And look, I'm fifty three now. I can't
Speaker 1: even believe I'm alive this long, but I am.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: Well, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. I could
Speaker 4: be your mom if I were from Arkansas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: No, I did not say that. Well, I did not
Speaker 3: say that.
Speaker 1: Hey, Look, my mom dropped me when she was sixteen
Speaker 1: and that was in New Jersey. Hun, So it's okay,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it.
Speaker 4: I had my first child when I was thirty eight,
Speaker 4: in my second one when I was forty one.
Speaker 3: Well, okay, I'm a late bloomer.
Speaker 1: There you go, late bloomer waited. But no, my mother,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 3: It was God. I think it was God.
Speaker 4: I don't think It's not like I wasn't practicing. Okay,
Speaker 4: I I think it was God.
Speaker 3: You're not ready. You got too much other stuff going on,
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't know enough.
Speaker 1: So b Pete wants to tell you a story, Gail,
Speaker 1: how about that?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, be hey, tell me.
Speaker 2: My ex wife was her mom was forty when she
Speaker 2: had hers, And not long after we had started dating
Speaker 2: that we were up at their house and down in
Speaker 2: the basement, you know, that's where they put all the
Speaker 2: awards for the kids and everything else. And I noticed
Speaker 2: this plaque over on the wall and it was to
Speaker 2: me because I wrestled in high school. It had two
Speaker 2: wrestlers on it, and I looked at my girlfriend, I said, well.
Speaker 3: Who won the wrestling award? Because I knew her older brother.
Speaker 2: Did wrestle her in school. She goes, Oh, that's for
Speaker 2: my parents, I said. For what she said at the
Speaker 2: last class reunion, they got the award for being the
Speaker 2: oldest couple having the youngest kid.
Speaker 3: That's probably what would happen to me.
Speaker 4: You know, why the why did they use wrestling? Is
Speaker 4: that the textual in the window that I'm not getting.
Speaker 3: That's what I got out of it.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm taking I'm thinking must be Yeah, so, oh, you.
Speaker 4: Know, hey, I will tell you something that I will make.
Speaker 4: I will tell you, guys first that I haven't told anyone.
Speaker 4: I am working on the book about what all is
Speaker 4: happening right now.
Speaker 3: Maybe someone will buy this book. I mean, who knows,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Maybe someone will. But that's
Speaker 3: what I'm doing. And it is a heck of a story.
Speaker 4: I I no one's ever going to believe it ever
Speaker 4: in a million years.
Speaker 3: She made it up. And I know You've got a
Speaker 3: projected by this date, No, I guess, I guess No, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm just no. I'm hoping it'll be this year. I
Speaker 3: really do.
Speaker 4: Because I'm a pretty quick writer when I've got the
Speaker 4: time and I'm not dealing with lawyers or doctors or.
Speaker 5: Nurses or rehab people or husbands.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, and only have one. I
Speaker 3: mean it sound like plural, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping it'll be this year. I'm really hoping.
Speaker 3: We'll see, We'll see, And I just need a good name.
Speaker 4: Anybody got I'm I'm up for names, and I'm trying
Speaker 4: to work on the opening. I've got most of the
Speaker 4: middle part done, but the opening of a book and
Speaker 4: the ending of a book of the two hardest things
Speaker 4: to write in my opinion. So you know, well, if
Speaker 4: anybody got a name for it, though.
Speaker 1: If I knew a little bit about what's in the middle,
Speaker 1: I might be able to help you with the opening,
Speaker 1: because I'm just.
Speaker 3: Talking about what's been going on since we for the
Speaker 3: last five years. Oh don't I haven't any well talk really,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: I started writing my I must have written about, like
Speaker 1: I don't know, ten forwards to my book, and now
Speaker 1: I'm having trouble finishing it. Uh And mine is called
Speaker 1: a Hitchhiker's Guide to the JFK Assassination. That's kind of cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, because I feel like that's what happened to me.
Speaker 1: I just sort of, you know, fell in and joined in,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, I was with all these
Speaker 1: academics and school teachers and stuff, and I didn't belong.
Speaker 1: I looked like I looked like an outlaw biker, you know,
Speaker 1: hanging out with these people. Even John Judge, what makes
Speaker 1: you cool?
Speaker 3: That's what makes you cool? And who cares?
Speaker 4: I mean, writers don't have a look about them, do
Speaker 4: you think.
Speaker 3: I don't think they do.
Speaker 1: But do you I'm not really a writer though. See,
Speaker 1: that's the fun part. Is the reason why I've done
Speaker 1: more than two thousand podcasts. And by the way, you
Speaker 1: spoke to me within the first year I started my podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I really, yeah you did.
Speaker 1: If you look back, I think our first conversation was
Speaker 1: either twenty I think it was twenty fourteen. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when the first book came out.
Speaker 5: You're right, Yeah, you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: So I started in twenty that the very first twenty thirteen.
Speaker 5: The very first person I ever ever ever the.
Speaker 3: Very first well other than.
Speaker 4: It was a documentary, The very first thing I ever did,
Speaker 4: but there weren't podcasts back in those days, was John
Speaker 4: barber Is on the Trail of the assassins and oh
Speaker 4: my god, I had permed hair. I was so late eighties,
Speaker 4: early nineties.
Speaker 3: Oh my good, I had permed hair.
Speaker 4: And he was the first one. And that man just
Speaker 4: turned ninety two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sop the Garrison tapes, you're talking about the first one?
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the sea? Yeah?
Speaker 4: John Barber's yeah, on the trailer, Yeah, on the trail
Speaker 4: of the Assassin's his his.
Speaker 5: First one that Jim Garrison.
Speaker 4: Talked to him. John Barber is a real Jim Garrison officionado,
Speaker 4: and Garrison was reciprocal.
Speaker 3: They but John Barber is a really nice guy. I
Speaker 3: like him a whole lot. And then Jones Harris, who,
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, there's see. I'm old.
Speaker 5: I know all these old people that I you know.
Speaker 3: By the way, let me go back. I hear him
Speaker 3: Edith Bunkering again. Dad when the.
Speaker 5: Day of the assassination, he couldn't be down there with
Speaker 5: my dad because he worked for the Dallas Central Appraisal
Speaker 5: District as a as a tax assessor.
Speaker 3: And he couldn't get off. And so my mom and.
Speaker 5: My grandmother and I went down there because we got
Speaker 5: to ride the bus. I mean that was really cool
Speaker 5: for a five year old, and my younger sister and brother.
Speaker 3: They were very young. I mean they were like one
Speaker 3: and two, you know.
Speaker 4: So they stayed home and we went down to Dilly Plaza,
Speaker 4: but we couldn't make it down to where we were
Speaker 4: supposed to meet.
Speaker 5: Papaul at Maine in Houston, right there on that corner.
Speaker 4: So we stopped at that HL Greens too, And I
Speaker 4: was such a brate. I loved Elvis Presley music because
Speaker 4: my aunt loved Elvis Presley.
Speaker 3: And the juke boxes there at HL Green. You could
Speaker 3: sit there and.
Speaker 4: You know, remember those juke boxes that were at each
Speaker 4: little booth. Austin Barbecue had those two.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I can't believe him.
Speaker 5: Anyway, there's a president being assassinated.
Speaker 3: I'm playing Boston, Noah a Baby and mego Las Vegas.
Speaker 3: How's sad is that?
Speaker 5: But I do remember that my mother and my mother.
Speaker 4: Had grabbed one of the welcome mister Kennedy. People were
Speaker 4: passing my out down there downtown, and every time they
Speaker 4: gave her one, she would just look at.
Speaker 3: It and throw it away.
Speaker 4: Now, I will tell you that my mother was and
Speaker 4: my dad too. We're both big tim Republicans. And of
Speaker 4: course say okay, was a Democrat, but I mean, it
Speaker 4: wasn't like what it is today.
Speaker 3: I think about those.
Speaker 4: Days and I was older, I guess for my time
Speaker 4: because I remember all that stuff, and I look at
Speaker 4: what's going on politically today and I see such parallels,
Speaker 4: do you, guys or is it just me? I mean
Speaker 4: I see them, well, I really do.
Speaker 1: It's a different definition now, right, I mean, because a
Speaker 1: guy like John Connolly can't exist today. You know, a
Speaker 1: more conservative kind of Democrat that doesn't exist anymore, right,
Speaker 1: And the idea that these guys would disagree, but then
Speaker 1: they would sit down and actually, you know, okay, well
Speaker 1: we got to hammer this out together because no matter what,
Speaker 1: we're all in it together kind of thing is gone.
Speaker 1: It's you know, and that's sucks me.
Speaker 3: But it's America, for God's sakes. It doesn't matter.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're a Republican or a Democrat, you're
Speaker 4: an American first, That's what you are first, you know
Speaker 4: what I mean. And then you're a party person. And
Speaker 4: in my case, I'm an American first, and then I'm
Speaker 4: a wife and I'm a mom, and I'm a researcher
Speaker 4: and i'm a writer.
Speaker 3: But party never ever, I mean, everyone needs to.
Speaker 4: Be a little bit more open minded and remember what
Speaker 4: we're all here for, you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, it's scary to me, It's all very scary. And
Speaker 3: you know, Greg Parker in Australia and Johnny Cairn's and
Speaker 3: Scotland are like, Gil, why are you staying there? Move
Speaker 3: over here? And I said, I'm not going to fight
Speaker 3: fight the power. I mean over there. I mean, I
Speaker 3: want to stand up for what is white. When I
Speaker 3: see going.
Speaker 5: Wrong here and what's going right here, I mean there's
Speaker 5: a little bit of right.
Speaker 3: Not much. Most of it, in my opinion, is pretty bad.
Speaker 3: So I just I remember General Walker when I.
Speaker 4: Was doing the research on him, which was in the
Speaker 4: second book, which now is all the rage. You know,
Speaker 4: everybody's talking about General Walker now, have you noticed that
Speaker 4: or just me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, there's a lot more talk about that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff, and everybody was ignoring it back then. But
Speaker 1: that's because they're going back in history and saying, well,
Speaker 1: what was the alt right like back then?
Speaker 3: You know? Right?
Speaker 1: And honestly, again, another guy who I don't think could
Speaker 1: exist today is is Walker. And these guys I don't
Speaker 1: think they would have existed even though these funerals draw parallels,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I got to disagree with you, Gail.
Speaker 1: I don't feel the parallel with the old and the
Speaker 1: new kind of going in the same direction. I think
Speaker 1: that is a piece of history that we're never going
Speaker 1: to see again. You know, the way it's going.
Speaker 3: Look at it, Chuck, but look at it. Okay, General
Speaker 3: Walker is flying his flag upside down over their own
Speaker 3: Turtle Creek during Kennedy's tenior and while he was in town.
Speaker 4: And then what is that Supreme Court judge?
Speaker 3: Is it elite? What was it? Roberts? Who is he that.
Speaker 4: His wife is flying it upside down at a Supreme
Speaker 4: Court judge's home?
Speaker 1: Well, Thomas, you know Thomas Jenny, Yes, was was you know,
Speaker 1: part of the j sixth thing pretty much?
Speaker 3: So you know, well, that's what I mean.
Speaker 5: That's the kind of stuff I'm seeing that I see
Speaker 5: a parallel to.
Speaker 4: And back then in Dallas, no one really paid attention
Speaker 4: to it. I mean they didn't.
Speaker 3: You did to see a bunch of newspaper articles. But now,
Speaker 3: I mean it's everywhere, and I guess that's the reason
Speaker 3: that people say the.
Speaker 5: Media shields And I got to give them I've got
Speaker 5: to agree.
Speaker 3: With them a bit because I think they really did.
Speaker 4: I mean in the sixties, I do, so why would
Speaker 4: they not be doing it still now?
Speaker 3: But I guess.
Speaker 4: My daughter is a producer of the news, and I
Speaker 4: know how often she talks about how, you know, you've
Speaker 4: got to have the truth out there.
Speaker 3: We can't fall in to.
Speaker 4: This example or into this I don't know, this morass of.
Speaker 3: The media is nothing but lap dogs for whomever. Well,
Speaker 3: I mean, what do you guys think Do y'all think
Speaker 3: that's what it is? Do you think that I mean,
Speaker 3: do you think that the.
Speaker 4: Media is still with this guardian or do you think
Speaker 4: that's gone?
Speaker 3: Well? I don't know. And are we considered media? Me
Speaker 3: and you?
Speaker 1: And the landscape is very different now right In a
Speaker 1: lot of ways, the media could be a lot more independent,
Speaker 1: but it's not because the major electronic media is all
Speaker 1: owned by a very narrow group of people.
Speaker 3: And back then hearing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very narrow group of people that control
Speaker 1: either like I said, there's like five entities that control
Speaker 1: all of social media. There's like five entities that control
Speaker 1: all of the alphabet souper broadcast, and that's all there
Speaker 1: is to it. There's just basically five or six major corporations,
Speaker 1: and then there's the rest of us out here who
Speaker 1: are doing our independent thing, you know in air quotes,
Speaker 1: and most of them, what are they being influence by
Speaker 1: all those people that are controlling that five or six
Speaker 1: group that are controlling the social media, that are controlling
Speaker 1: the news distribution at the top. So you know, where's
Speaker 1: the lead. Nobody's doing independent work the way I see
Speaker 1: it at this point.
Speaker 3: You know, I agree with that too.
Speaker 4: And those of us who are trying to I mean
Speaker 4: we get shut down. I mean we do that, and
Speaker 4: not only.
Speaker 5: By the media, but with people within the DFK community
Speaker 5: do the same thing.
Speaker 3: I mean they do. And I guess those with the
Speaker 3: squeakiest wheel get up there and get to talk. And
Speaker 3: as long as they are not on one agenda, if
Speaker 3: they're gonna speak for the whole JFK community, they need
Speaker 3: to talk about all the stuff.
Speaker 4: And I know that's hard. There's too much, I mean,
Speaker 4: there is way too much. I think there is an
Speaker 4: answer here to who did what in the JFK community.
Speaker 3: And you know, the assassination, let's just say murder. It
Speaker 3: was a freaking murder. I mean, I think that we
Speaker 3: have the answer. It's just lost among all the books
Speaker 3: and among people's agendas, you know.
Speaker 5: And I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna, which
Speaker 5: I am, or a hypocrite, which.
Speaker 4: I know it's going to sound like, because my agenda
Speaker 4: has always been to play my grandfather's film.
Speaker 3: That's it. It always has been.
Speaker 4: But over the years finding the things I found, That's
Speaker 4: why I wrote the second book, was to say, look,
Speaker 4: General Walker, look at Robert Surrey, look at Lee Harvey Oslo.
Speaker 3: Knew them all, Jack Ruby, to them all, they were all.
Speaker 4: They were all hanging out at the University of Dallas,
Speaker 4: at the Catholic School where Robert Morris was the not
Speaker 4: the gateway Robert Moore, but was the president, you know,
Speaker 4: and he was big buddies with General Walker.
Speaker 3: And that whole group. And I when I went to go.
Speaker 4: Interview the the look up stuff in the archives there
Speaker 4: at the University.
Speaker 3: Of Dallas, the lady I don't even know if she's
Speaker 3: still there, earning with Sybil. She told me, oh my goodness,
Speaker 3: I remember those days I was here. And she said,
Speaker 3: six weeks.
Speaker 4: To two months before the assassination Walk, Oh my goodness,
Speaker 4: generals were coming in and out of you University of Dallas,
Speaker 4: and I said, why, I mean, why why would generals,
Speaker 4: I mean United.
Speaker 3: States generals be at the University of Dallas.
Speaker 4: And I looked and there was no newspaper written about it,
Speaker 4: there was.
Speaker 3: No anything, There was no but it's there and their animals.
Speaker 3: I mean, anybody could go look at the University of
Speaker 3: Dallas and find what I found, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I there's where I think the media was covering
Speaker 4: stuff up. I mean not reporting, like you said, where's
Speaker 4: the headlines? Where are they that would have been the
Speaker 4: headline in today's time, don't you think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? No, absolutely absolutely. And here's what the problem is
Speaker 1: now is that you know, now we've reached a point
Speaker 1: where the people that are in the media are totally
Speaker 1: not informed about this stuff. They're literally taking the lead
Speaker 1: from you know, the strangest of sources. You know, you're
Speaker 1: still seeing them pull out you know, the guy who
Speaker 1: World Case closed, right Posner. You're still seeing them go
Speaker 1: to go to Morley only. You know, you still see
Speaker 1: them do that and not going to a whole lot
Speaker 1: of other people they could. And when they're not doing that,
Speaker 1: and they want to back the official story. They're literally
Speaker 1: being briefed by intelligence agency people.
Speaker 3: So that's right, you know, that's right.
Speaker 1: The CIA met with them before the last big document
Speaker 1: dump on JFK. The CIA met with them and said, hey,
Speaker 1: here's what's actually going to be in these files before
Speaker 1: the public season, and they went with it. That's why
Speaker 1: all the wording was the same and all those articles
Speaker 1: that was published five minutes after you know, twenty thousand
Speaker 1: pages dropped. You know, they didn't read it. They didn't
Speaker 1: have time to read it, and they wouldn't have understood
Speaker 1: it even if they did. So, you know, right, this
Speaker 1: is the this is the bad point. You know, we're
Speaker 1: at right where?
Speaker 3: But how do we fix it? Guys? How do we
Speaker 3: fix that? What do we do?
Speaker 4: I wish to tell me if I get a if
Speaker 4: I get a soapbox, to stand on the next.
Speaker 3: Couple of months and tell me what do we need
Speaker 3: to say?
Speaker 4: Because on I'm going to get up there and sound
Speaker 4: like a dork. Yeah, you know, old lady from from
Speaker 4: Dallas whose Lukerburg grandfathers, they'll know. I think I agree
Speaker 4: with you all the way, Chuck.
Speaker 3: What we know how to be combat it?
Speaker 1: What we need Okay, we do. You got Representative Luna
Speaker 1: who's heading up that task force, right, But the rest
Speaker 1: of the people on that committee clearly showed they have
Speaker 1: no idea about anything that's going on. I mean all
Speaker 1: of them. I don't care. And I'm not waving the
Speaker 1: flag of Democrats or Republicans or I don't care. They
Speaker 1: were their scoring political points and they knew nothing about
Speaker 1: the topic. Nothing with all optics right, right, So what
Speaker 1: you need is it wasn't.
Speaker 3: A fact finding mission.
Speaker 4: As inasmuch as it was optics to show that we're
Speaker 4: doing what we said we would do. I mean thinking
Speaker 4: that that Oliver stellm wrote a book about LBJA.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. When I heard that, I went, oh my.
Speaker 1: Couldn't couldn't sort, couldn't sort, couldn't sort Oliver Stone from
Speaker 1: Roger Stone. That one killed me. Yeah, that was I think.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, but that's good. But that is the
Speaker 1: level we're dealing with at this point. Is now you've
Speaker 1: got people who are not necessarily trying to cover things up.
Speaker 1: They don't know anything. So you know, how do we
Speaker 1: read them in on this? That's the big question. How
Speaker 1: do you get people involved that actually know what.
Speaker 5: Why do we invite them to answer?
Speaker 3: Well, why don't you send an invitation to some of them?
Speaker 3: Invite them to I'll do it. I'll happily. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't have a problem with getting a hold of congressionals.
Speaker 3: Whoever's the why don't we get dely to ask them?
Speaker 1: You know what, if they're willing to come, I will
Speaker 1: make sure they have a space to speak and to
Speaker 1: address everybody online and live the whole bit. No problem.
Speaker 1: If they want, why don't we do that? Let's make
Speaker 1: it happen.
Speaker 3: I think I think we should, and I'll tell you
Speaker 3: what it doesn't.
Speaker 4: Okay, I know I'm being I am trying to be diplomatic,
Speaker 4: and you said earlier that you were.
Speaker 3: Okay, here's my shot at diplomacy. Tell them.
Speaker 5: I don't know who Ell is going to be in Dallas.
Speaker 5: All I know is you guys, so but I think
Speaker 5: I heard no, I know I heard Peter Hyman's told.
Speaker 3: Me that David Dinton is going to be in town.
Speaker 3: But I'm just going to be honest.
Speaker 4: I don't believe Judith Barry Baker and I fast to
Speaker 4: her conference. I don't know that that would help any
Speaker 4: but I.
Speaker 5: Do know that they have decent people that come to speak.
Speaker 3: I have always been and this.
Speaker 4: Is me being dah I am, and being from Dallas
Speaker 4: and being the judgmental person I am. I have always
Speaker 4: felt if we give a platform to people that we
Speaker 4: know are lying, then we are just as bad. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's the way I look at it.
Speaker 3: You know, do you agree or no?
Speaker 1: Absolutely true? Okay, absolutely true? Okay And by the way, just.
Speaker 5: Didn't want to hurt your feelings, not at all.
Speaker 1: Look, and just to mention here, Uh, you know what
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle and anthology. That's the book that
Speaker 1: Gail was talking about before that has the stuff on Walker,
Speaker 1: and of course the Missing JFK assassination film. Uh, that's
Speaker 1: the other book, all right, And if you can get.
Speaker 3: A hold of one that bad, you know, and being
Speaker 3: bad at marketing.
Speaker 1: And I love the I have. I have about four
Speaker 1: versions of the Missing JFK film. I've got an audio
Speaker 1: book MP three disc. I had Gail sign it the
Speaker 1: one year uh. And I also have one of the
Speaker 1: ones with the that looks like a pack of lucky strikes,
Speaker 1: which I love that book.
Speaker 5: Uh, and you better keep it. You better keep that
Speaker 5: one because that one, that one's gotta.
Speaker 4: It's got a book cover on it too, doesn't it
Speaker 4: like a doesn't it? No?
Speaker 1: No mind, just hard no dust cover, no dust cover.
Speaker 1: It's just a hardcover.
Speaker 4: Oh man, I wish you had a go and I
Speaker 4: don't even have one.
Speaker 3: I don't even have one.
Speaker 1: I didn't get to.
Speaker 3: My very first printing was a dust cover.
Speaker 1: I know. And I didn't get that one. I don't
Speaker 1: know how I missed that one, because I know, I
Speaker 1: you know what it is. I probably bought the audio
Speaker 1: book first and then yeah, uh so that's probably why.
Speaker 1: Uh But but either way, point is, and I also
Speaker 1: had like a PDF version of your book for a while.
Speaker 1: But either way, oh my duck.
Speaker 4: Yeah, remind me to hug you big time when I
Speaker 4: see you again. I always hug you anyway, I think. Sure,
Speaker 4: I hug you really hard for that. And thank you
Speaker 4: for bringing up my books. This is what my husband
Speaker 4: yells at me about. You know why you only made.
Speaker 5: Seventeen thousand meals because you don't tell people what the
Speaker 5: names of your books.
Speaker 3: Are and you just give them away. You don't tell
Speaker 3: them deep and I do because I am a teacher
Speaker 3: at heart. I mean I was a professor all those
Speaker 3: years I was a high school teacher.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't think that it's like the Middle Ages,
Speaker 4: where the only ones who could read books are the.
Speaker 5: Rich people in the monks.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think everyone should have knowledge. So does that make
Speaker 5: me a liberal?
Speaker 1: Does that make me a I don't know. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know, you know what I've always done. You
Speaker 1: know what I've always done everywhere I go is if
Speaker 1: I can pick up extra copies of books that I
Speaker 1: think are good, important and informative. I have been giving
Speaker 1: away books away all the time, like I've given away
Speaker 1: I've given away Robert Grodin's book, you know that first,
Speaker 1: The Killing of the President book, the first big picture book.
Speaker 1: I've probably given that thing away twenty times because I
Speaker 1: bought it at library sales, flea markets, I bought it
Speaker 1: all over the place. I buy it at a discount,
Speaker 1: and I've given it to my friends, okay, and some
Speaker 1: of my close friends. I've even given away Jesse Curry's
Speaker 1: book a few times, but I didn't have as many.
Speaker 3: Copses of Rye right, and I love that book too.
Speaker 1: I have not given away your book because I don't
Speaker 1: have extra cops I've given away wall.
Speaker 3: I don't even have any well I don't have them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if I find them, I will, but I'm gonna
Speaker 1: put the links in the show notes tonight for everybody
Speaker 1: you can go go go purchase gales books. I'll give
Speaker 1: you links to go get them. And also this doesn't
Speaker 1: always help her with book sales, but sometimes I've seen
Speaker 1: them on the Uh there's the discount books thing. Oh man,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. Oh bus shop yeah, and bookshop dot Org.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's supposed to support local bookshops. And
Speaker 1: I definitely have seen her book on their listed because
Speaker 1: I'm always searching the JFK books on there. So just
Speaker 1: letting you guys know, you'll have multiple listings for being
Speaker 1: able to go get some of the Gale's work and
Speaker 1: do buy them. These are interesting stories. And if you
Speaker 1: find that MP three disc I love that thing. Uh
Speaker 1: it comes in an orange case and uh it's an
Speaker 1: MP three on CD. I know I'm an old guy, right,
Speaker 1: I'm using CD. Still, can you believe this old people
Speaker 1: use CDs? I heard the other day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I got on Facebook about three or four
Speaker 3: months ago that someone was asking me if I had.
Speaker 4: A copy of when I was on MOROLDO. Now that's
Speaker 4: how old that I am. Okay, that's how old.
Speaker 3: I was the only female. I was the only woman.
Speaker 5: You know, there's not a whole lot of women researchers
Speaker 5: in the day of ta Community.
Speaker 3: Let's be real, guys, there aren't.
Speaker 4: I mean, there aren't and woman on stage with Mark
Speaker 4: Lane Jim Mars.
Speaker 3: I believe Groden and remind me to tell you the
Speaker 3: story you already know. I'll be in. I'll tell a
Speaker 3: nice story. I won't be ugly, I promised. I'm remind
Speaker 3: me of that in a minute.
Speaker 4: All of them were up there and I was in
Speaker 4: grad school at the time, and.
Speaker 3: When they called it asked me to feel in Haraldo.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh man, I've got a big paper.
Speaker 3: Do that. I don't know, you know, so I and
Speaker 3: my husband's like, you need to go, you need to go.
Speaker 5: Maybe it'll help find your grandfather's film. I was okay,
Speaker 5: So I went.
Speaker 3: He saved me. Okay, this is what he told me.
Speaker 3: He saved me until the end. Bs. I mean, those
Speaker 3: men would not shut up.
Speaker 4: They talked more than me, and that's hard to say
Speaker 4: about anyone. And they were so at every break I
Speaker 4: had no idea that an hour long show took like
Speaker 4: seven or eight.
Speaker 3: Hours to tape. I had no idea that's how we're
Speaker 3: And I kept looking at my watch, going, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I'm never going to make my plight back. I just
Speaker 3: thought it was going to be so.
Speaker 5: To make a long story short, we went back to.
Speaker 4: The green room in Haralda came in and let me
Speaker 4: just say this. He's not one of my favorite people
Speaker 4: in the home wide world, but that man, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 3: There have only been two times in my life that
Speaker 3: I was in a room.
Speaker 4: With someone who I could tangibly feel their energy. Now
Speaker 4: I know that sounds crazy, loony, but truly, I mean
Speaker 4: you could feel it. I physically feel that man's energy.
Speaker 4: You could feel it. And I was like, wow, Not
Speaker 4: that he's handsome, not that he's charismatic.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure his wife and other people think so,
Speaker 3: but I you know. And so I told him, and
Speaker 3: it was hard for me to be the witch that
Speaker 3: I felt like being. And I said, Okay, Heraldo, I
Speaker 3: don't know why you haven't talked to me, and I've
Speaker 3: been here now three and a half hours.
Speaker 4: We could have done a remote from Dallas and I
Speaker 4: could have gotten my paper done. I wouldn't worry about
Speaker 4: missing my flight. And what the heck are you doing?
Speaker 3: Is it? Because I'm the only woman on.
Speaker 4: The panel and he just died laughing, put his hands look.
Speaker 3: On his hipsod. He goes, man, it's true about you
Speaker 3: Texas women, isn't it?
Speaker 4: And what does that mean? I still don't know what
Speaker 4: that means?
Speaker 3: What does that mean? Guys? Y'all are men? You're not
Speaker 3: from Texas? Tell me what does that mean?
Speaker 1: You know what? I probably he had an experience because
Speaker 1: don't forget, he had Madeline Brown on there all right, and.
Speaker 3: He had a couple hearing show.
Speaker 1: No, not on your show, but on his talk show.
Speaker 1: He did have Madeline Brown, okay, more than once.
Speaker 3: I didn't know that. He did not know that. I
Speaker 3: really didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know because I'm
Speaker 3: thank you for telling me that I'm.
Speaker 1: Your crazy media guy. Remember that I'm the guy who well,
Speaker 1: this is why, this is why some of them, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is why some of those lawyers used to
Speaker 1: call up and I would get handed the phone when
Speaker 1: they called up some of the groups on the East
Speaker 1: coast about how many places has this been, Uh do
Speaker 1: you know where this came from? I knew everything about
Speaker 1: you know, the films that were out, where they'd been used,
Speaker 1: what had been used of it, all that stuff. I
Speaker 1: could tell him, you know, all the The only.
Speaker 3: Thing then, I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I was working. I started in Like the funniest thing is,
Speaker 1: I started when I was in high school and I
Speaker 1: was like sixteen seventeen years old when I started, you know,
Speaker 1: just knocking around and calling up people just because I
Speaker 1: was in certain cities and I went, oh, this person
Speaker 1: lives here now, And I just went, ah, let me
Speaker 1: call them up and see if they'll talk to me.
Speaker 1: And I did that, and I started that in eighty eight,
Speaker 1: eighty nine, and uh, yeah, wow, that's when that's not happening.
Speaker 3: But but why didn't I know where you were just a
Speaker 3: kid and you were up north.
Speaker 4: And I'm down here and yeah, you know and Richardstown
Speaker 4: and Richards City in Texas.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: Bill Graham, Yeah, Bill Graham.
Speaker 3: Helped me anyway. I'm sorry, Betty, Wait, Bill Key, I'll
Speaker 3: kelly what it means. Though.
Speaker 1: Guys that knew me, I mean, guys who knew me
Speaker 1: pretty well are like Bill Kelly and like Walt Brown
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, because they're from Jersey.
Speaker 3: I love those I love them, but I love them,
Speaker 3: both of them.
Speaker 1: They're from New Jersey. That's how they knew me, Okay,
Speaker 1: because I lived in New Jersey. All right, anyway, what
Speaker 1: does that mean? Okay? So Texas Texas women? Look, everything
Speaker 1: in Texas is bigger and louder, right, is that what
Speaker 1: it means? That's what it means. Everything in Texas is bigger.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I didn't know if it was a slam or. I
Speaker 5: didn't and actually I kind of blew it off. I
Speaker 5: didn't even I was so mad. I obviously am I
Speaker 5: even here? Why am I here?
Speaker 4: So you hate that feeling when you're in a place
Speaker 4: and you're like, why am I here?
Speaker 3: There are other things I could be doing? And why
Speaker 3: am I sitting here on this stage?
Speaker 1: Why Lizzy?
Speaker 4: These dumb men that I've heard nine million times say that. Seriously,
Speaker 4: I was decide myself ugly. I was much more impatient
Speaker 4: in those days.
Speaker 3: It really really was.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that if you want to feel better.
Speaker 1: Larry Hancock was supposed to be on a TV show
Speaker 1: on like Pierce Morgan. I think it was not too
Speaker 1: long ago. And what happened is they called him up
Speaker 1: and told me he had to go run and like
Speaker 1: drive down the street real fast and go catch up
Speaker 1: with the satellite truck so he could do a satellite
Speaker 1: remote not on you know, Skype or something. He drove
Speaker 1: all the way down there, he got on the thing,
Speaker 1: got there in time, stuck his headset on and they
Speaker 1: bumped him anyway. He didn't show up on the show,
Speaker 1: so that boh.
Speaker 3: My gosh, and I can relate to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So you know what, I'm just letting you know
Speaker 1: that a guy who's written, you know, in more books
Speaker 1: than you, okay.
Speaker 4: Who was intelligent, is probably after Chris Kelly. I'm sorry, guys,
Speaker 4: Chris Kelly knew more about the JFK assassination than.
Speaker 3: Any person on this planet in the JFK world.
Speaker 4: Because I've talked to most of them, and Chris Kelly
Speaker 4: was the man. I am telling you, I have never
Speaker 4: in my life met a walking encyclopedia with a file cabinet.
Speaker 4: Mareen organized better than Martha Stewart could ever.
Speaker 3: Think about being. I mean, I I love that man.
Speaker 3: I miss him, so I loved that man. And you
Speaker 3: know what Jones.
Speaker 5: Harris okay, kind of a hard guy to get along.
Speaker 3: With, kind of real hard guy.
Speaker 4: Because you know, I remember when when I said my
Speaker 4: lawyer to his oh god, I'm gonna get in trouble
Speaker 4: for this.
Speaker 3: I just know I am. I send my lawyers to
Speaker 3: his house because he had a two by three blow up.
Speaker 4: That what was that guy who's name but the good
Speaker 4: photographer Mark Lane had Emili das Antonio, Emil Day sant
Speaker 4: I came to say it, right, and Bernie Hoffin.
Speaker 3: That's who it was. Am I right? Guys? Is that right?
Speaker 5: Bernie Hawton, photographer the Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, they he knew Dick Buildings.
Speaker 5: They were very close friends.
Speaker 3: So when he wanted to know what was going on
Speaker 3: with the next film, he was one of the first
Speaker 3: ones in sixty four.
Speaker 5: Actually they let him see it. But I mean, come on,
Speaker 5: he was Ruth Gordon's son.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I mean he was married
Speaker 3: to Vanderbilt. Yeah, you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 1: Here, got you? No, yeah, I got you? All right?
Speaker 4: So I send Jacob to go look at it because
Speaker 4: I had sent Bill Simpitch and Bill got to see it.
Speaker 3: I had sent James wagon board and he got see it.
Speaker 3: I couldn't afford to fly to New York to go
Speaker 3: do this. I couldn't.
Speaker 4: I had kids, late one, you know, I told you
Speaker 4: late life.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do it. So I I had sent Bill
Speaker 3: and who gladly went and they.
Speaker 4: Both saw it, and I kept I kept saying, man,
Speaker 4: y'all need to go up there and take your cell
Speaker 4: phone and let me at least see it.
Speaker 3: I've never but it's from the original.
Speaker 4: Is when I'm trying to get to and when Jones died,
Speaker 4: you know, I he just died.
Speaker 5: Recently, which is another said a lot of.
Speaker 3: My friends have died.
Speaker 5: And I asked my husband, I said, okay, is it
Speaker 5: that people that.
Speaker 3: I just adore? Did they just kick it because they
Speaker 3: know me?
Speaker 5: I sound like Ben Jones.
Speaker 3: Don't I That's what I sound like. N Jones scared
Speaker 3: the crap out of my My grandmother horrible. Quit talking
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: Ben Jones keeps saying everybody's dying for and I don't
Speaker 4: want you to die, and that is the rumor.
Speaker 3: And they all and I don't know if there's any
Speaker 3: truth to it. I mean, I think it was coincidental,
Speaker 3: but then again, there's always coincidences may.
Speaker 4: Not really be the real thing. Okay, back to what
Speaker 4: I was saying. I asked Cairaldo why he had done it,
Speaker 4: to make.
Speaker 3: A long, long story short.
Speaker 4: He said that and then wrote me he had just
Speaker 4: written his book, Exposing Myself, a book, and he asked
Speaker 4: me if I had a copy of it, and I
Speaker 4: said no, and I felt so bad. I felt, oh god,
Speaker 4: it was so rude, and I thought I could have lied.
Speaker 3: I could have said, oh yeah, I loved it in
Speaker 3: my hotel.
Speaker 4: Room or oh yeah, but I didn't, and that was
Speaker 4: rude and I feel badly.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he wrote this ninth, long.
Speaker 4: Little thing about the JFK assassination and how important it
Speaker 4: was to find the next film and YadA YadA, YadA
Speaker 4: YadA and all that stuff. But later, when I first
Speaker 4: filed a first lawsuit in twenty fifteen against the government,
Speaker 4: I called him and.
Speaker 5: I said, Okay, do you remember I was on your show?
Speaker 3: And are you still doing JFK things down on anymore? No? Anymore?
Speaker 3: And so now I'm going to tell you the Robert
Speaker 3: Grossen story that I didn't want to tell you, but
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't. Yeah, maybe
Speaker 3: I shouldn't do it.
Speaker 5: I won't do it. All of the dudes make everybody man. Anyway, Jacob,
Speaker 5: my lawyer, went to Jones's apartment on Fifth.
Speaker 4: Avenue and knocked on the door. And I guess, And
Speaker 4: you have to remember, Jones was quite older.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was in his nineties, you know.
Speaker 4: And I loved him because he was always so kind
Speaker 4: to me. But and he was always so sweet, and
Speaker 4: he was always very supportive, and he was always looking
Speaker 4: out for me.
Speaker 3: I loved him, I really did.
Speaker 6: And maybe I was.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because he did all that, maybe just that
Speaker 4: I knew he was sincere and for.
Speaker 3: Me, I'm just a weirdo.
Speaker 4: I've got to have the sincerity. I've got to have
Speaker 4: the integrity.
Speaker 3: I don't want to be played.
Speaker 4: Because sometimes I get mistaken and think the integrity and
Speaker 4: think the supportiveness is all heartfelt when it's not, you know,
Speaker 4: and I get played and I feel.
Speaker 3: Like an idiot.
Speaker 5: And I that was a little bit of the story
Speaker 5: I was going to say about other people that I'm
Speaker 5: not talking about, but I think you get the drift.
Speaker 3: Anyway, Jacob came to the door and Jones immediately he
Speaker 3: saw who was Jay.
Speaker 5: He said, I'm you.
Speaker 4: Know, I'm here for Gail, and YadA YadA yuay and
Speaker 4: Jones got on the phone and I'm sorry, this is
Speaker 4: going to sound.
Speaker 5: Very offensive, and I hope my daughter is not listening
Speaker 5: to this show because she will.
Speaker 3: Yell at me. He called me up and he goes, Gail,
Speaker 3: why did you send this kike to my house? I went, oh,
Speaker 3: my god.
Speaker 5: Jones, you are half Jewish?
Speaker 3: How can you do that? How how can you do
Speaker 3: that and say those things?
Speaker 4: Well, the truth is the truth, And I said, no,
Speaker 4: the truth is the truth is that you're opinionated.
Speaker 3: And you have no decorum. I mean, how could you
Speaker 3: do that? He's there helping me. You won't send me
Speaker 3: the pictures of what am I supposed to do? You
Speaker 3: know what I mean? I mean, how am I going
Speaker 3: to believe what you see in there? If I can't
Speaker 3: see it myself? How? I am so sick of seeing warsheck.
Speaker 5: Tests of what people see in the Knicks film.
Speaker 4: That isn't there that Jones had something tangible. In fact,
Speaker 4: he had what I tech.
Speaker 3: Studied in sixty four And.
Speaker 4: All of this is going to come out in much
Speaker 4: more detail and much more chain of evidence as.
Speaker 3: To the different.
Speaker 4: Agencies that use that. We're studying my grandfather's film, and
Speaker 4: I can't talk about it. And this is what I've
Speaker 4: been holding for five years.
Speaker 3: I can't. I can't, So I may not be able
Speaker 3: to if we don't get discovery in the big case.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, because you know what I've
Speaker 1: always Oh my god, what I've always wanted to know
Speaker 1: is exactly what happened regarding how they made the print
Speaker 1: in the warrant commissioned volumes to begin with, right, right,
Speaker 1: because there is a bit of a problem with whose
Speaker 1: copy that was that was mad for it?
Speaker 5: Right now, it's right, it's right, it's right. And you're speculating,
Speaker 5: And please say, I never told you this.
Speaker 3: I did not say it. No, this is will you.
Speaker 1: This is my own personal speculation based on the fact
Speaker 1: that I've looked at that several times. It's in volume eighteen.
Speaker 3: And you know what, Wow, there is good for you.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot of it. Uh. And and here's
Speaker 1: the thing, though, we don't know what the source was there, okay,
Speaker 1: and that could be discoverable and nobody's ever answered that
Speaker 1: for me. I mean, I've been given a BS answer
Speaker 1: from somebody.
Speaker 3: I can't answer it for you, and you can't. You
Speaker 3: don't answer it for it.
Speaker 1: But that's that's what I'm getting at here. And you
Speaker 1: know what that would tell us a lot?
Speaker 3: Just say it sure would wouldn't it, wouldn't it? You
Speaker 3: wouldn't it? And listen, Chuck, I'm not gonna be I'm.
Speaker 4: Not gonna be one of those people saying I know
Speaker 4: one hundred percent BS. I've never even freaking seen the
Speaker 4: original I never, But I'll.
Speaker 3: Tell you this. If it shows there's somebody up there,
Speaker 3: everybody needs to know. Every the world needs to know,
Speaker 3: not just me, but you know what else if they
Speaker 3: if it doesn't, if there's nothing up there, everybody in
Speaker 3: the world needs to know that too. I mean, how
Speaker 3: else are.
Speaker 4: We going to get to the summary, factual summary of
Speaker 4: what happened that day unless we do this?
Speaker 1: How right?
Speaker 3: See what I mean?
Speaker 1: And here's the sad thing is that because of the
Speaker 1: reproductions on the next film, there is a whole lot
Speaker 1: of dark areas that would not be dark in the original, right, So.
Speaker 4: And you know why, Yeah, and Roland Savada told me this.
Speaker 4: You know why the Kodec guy that was at Helth
Speaker 4: Select Committee and the ar RB Roland, Nevada. Okay, you
Speaker 4: know what he teld me? Oh God, I love that
Speaker 4: man too. He's a gale. The question that you I
Speaker 4: have never seen anywhere, and I even even heard you
Speaker 4: ask it. I've heard you talk about it in.
Speaker 3: A different way that your your grandfather.
Speaker 5: Was using indoor film. Do you know what that means?
Speaker 3: As well?
Speaker 5: That Warren commissioned in the house like.
Speaker 3: VIDI would make you think it was a peace crap film.
Speaker 5: Because he used the wrong You know, he should have used.
Speaker 3: The outdoor film. Not true, you know that's right.
Speaker 5: And he said, Gail, no, on an indoor film, it
Speaker 5: lets in more light.
Speaker 3: And I know you don't know the terminology about.
Speaker 5: You know, all the camera photography stuff that that film, if.
Speaker 3: Anything, should have been so light you couldn't see anything.
Speaker 3: That's what he said.
Speaker 1: That's the point. See, that's the point. Look, because the
Speaker 1: only reason why I think of these things this way, Gail,
Speaker 1: is because I have a visual problem, which is based
Speaker 1: on what we call albinism. Okay, I have ocular albinism.
Speaker 1: You know what that means. But I mean, my eyes
Speaker 1: do not protect me from the light like my eyes
Speaker 1: don't protect themselves from the light.
Speaker 4: No, I like kryptonite. Light is r kryptonite. These are
Speaker 4: a superman, so that's your kryptonite.
Speaker 1: I'm highly seeing to light. That's why they used to
Speaker 1: use me for these photographic things, not because I had
Speaker 1: great vision, but because I had highlight sensitivity so I
Speaker 1: could see Connors.
Speaker 3: My god, yes, why And this is a big part
Speaker 3: of your story. And that's a movie right there, buddy, Well.
Speaker 4: That's a freaking superhero movie that you've got going there
Speaker 4: that you're living.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm not kidding, maybe it is. But what's interesting
Speaker 1: is if they can get me one of these films.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if they can get me one of
Speaker 1: these films, you know, we could discover a whole lot
Speaker 1: of interesting facts. Okay, uh, just just by having the
Speaker 1: clearer pictures. I'm just telling you. It's just I'm not
Speaker 1: telling you, Gail. I'm telling you no, No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: This is what I have been all. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: I've always known this, and not because they're you're the reason.
Speaker 5: You know, yours is much more scholastic than mine.
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound crazy, and what the hell, Let
Speaker 3: me just go ahead and sound crazy. I've always known
Speaker 3: it inside me, Chuck, I have I VP tell me
Speaker 3: I'm crazy. Say it, say it, you're crazy. He's not
Speaker 3: saying it. Say thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: Say I seriously have always felt it. And I don't
Speaker 5: know if it was the relationship with my grandfather. I
Speaker 5: mean we were he was my first Hebrew, not.
Speaker 4: My dad in that terrible in that terrible I'm saying it.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it. It was my grandfather. I spent a
Speaker 4: lot of time with him, a lot.
Speaker 5: And you have to remember my mom and dad had
Speaker 5: me kind of like you said, your mom was sixteen,
Speaker 5: My mom was nineteen and my.
Speaker 3: Dad was eighteen. There you go.
Speaker 4: So I those are kids, man, look at your kids
Speaker 4: and think about it. Look at your kids and put
Speaker 4: it into perspective.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Well, I got I got one that's only just ten
Speaker 1: years old now, so.
Speaker 3: You know, well put it into perspective. Though when it happened,
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 4: But that was the times daring it well anyway, I
Speaker 4: was just really I've always known that God.
Speaker 3: Put him there for a reason.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm not trying to find those of you who
Speaker 4: don't believe in God.
Speaker 3: I'm really not.
Speaker 4: I do, And so I'm just stating my American way
Speaker 4: of getting to speak freely while I can.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm doing.
Speaker 5: And I'm really hoping this all happens before all that goes.
Speaker 4: Way too, you know what i mean. I'm very scared
Speaker 4: and nervous about all of it.
Speaker 5: So I don't know who the powers that you are.
Speaker 4: I never thought I would ever say that in my
Speaker 4: whole entire life, because in my adult life, looking.
Speaker 3: For the next film, my question was always Okay, is
Speaker 3: the government this is nefarious? Or is the government this announced?
Speaker 4: I couldn't ever I mean, one's just as bad as
Speaker 4: the other, or is it?
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a good debate. It's a very good
Speaker 3: debate subject to what's worth.
Speaker 5: Worth being Do it on purpose, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: And it does not win you a lot of friends
Speaker 1: when you go with the.
Speaker 3: It doesn't because you know what, people.
Speaker 5: Want to make your lawyers really mad at you, you
Speaker 5: know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It makes your lawyers say, shut up, Gil, shut up.
Speaker 3: See I mean?
Speaker 4: And uh, well, I mean so maybe that's why people
Speaker 4: think I'm such a liberal.
Speaker 5: And people think because they do believe in free speech.
Speaker 4: I do, and you know what, people didn't have their
Speaker 4: freaking guns. I don't have one, but by God, be
Speaker 4: responsible with them, for heaven freaking sake, you know. And please,
Speaker 4: can we not normalize bad?
Speaker 3: Can we please stop doing that? Please? Please? Please?
Speaker 5: I mean we've been doing it since before sixty When
Speaker 5: are we going to end it?
Speaker 3: When? When? When are we going to end it?
Speaker 4: When I'm with you, maybe holding people accountable for what
Speaker 4: they do.
Speaker 3: We have to you have to do it. I have
Speaker 3: to do it. VP. Why is there a cast system here?
Speaker 3: I mean, why it's America. For Heaven's sake, people leave
Speaker 3: cast systems, leave places where they.
Speaker 4: Don't have freedom to be an American. But everybody says,
Speaker 4: now it's all because of money.
Speaker 3: It'sought. Well, maybe it is, Maybe it is.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's because we have put money as the most
Speaker 4: important sign of success than science.
Speaker 3: History. And listen, if you if if you are not
Speaker 3: a reader, people, if you're whoever, listen to me. Read
Speaker 3: The Little Prince please God, read Machiavelli. Please, and then
Speaker 3: look and see if you.
Speaker 4: See any think for yourself is what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: That's all I'm trying to say.
Speaker 4: Don't listen to whatever bad's telling you do it yourself,
Speaker 4: and I will happily give you suggestions as to what
Speaker 4: will get you for both ways. But how I see
Speaker 4: it is Machiavelli and it scares the.
Speaker 3: Heck out of me. And I'm not saying this is administration.
Speaker 3: That's not what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: I am saying over all these years and dealing with
Speaker 4: it and watching it, Oh my god.
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter what party you are.
Speaker 3: That does not matter. It does not matter, it doesn't.
Speaker 4: It just depends I guess on who's in power at
Speaker 4: what time and how much damage each of them will
Speaker 4: do because.
Speaker 3: They both do it.
Speaker 4: Quld acting like one side is better than the other
Speaker 4: because they're not.
Speaker 3: They are they are not. See. I don't like liars.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean why I wonder wonder why I.
Speaker 3: Have been finagled. I have been bamboozled.
Speaker 4: And so everybody's like, Okill, you're so smart. Oh really,
Speaker 4: I have been all these things. If I'm smart, it's
Speaker 4: not because I'm bring smarter or educcasion smart.
Speaker 3: It's because I've had.
Speaker 4: To experience the damn stuff, you know, And God help
Speaker 4: the people like I'm.
Speaker 3: Just gonna say it.
Speaker 4: The people like Marina, the people like Buel Frasier, the
Speaker 4: people like Lee Harvey, Oslovell, Pat Hall's mom j C.
Speaker 4: Price up on top of the General Services Building.
Speaker 3: I don't know if Toash Plumbley I think he was.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I know Beverly wasn't. But I do
Speaker 3: know that todsh Plumley, I do believe because he knows
Speaker 3: too much.
Speaker 4: And I've checked out some of it now. Some of
Speaker 4: it has been true, some of it hasn't. I mean,
Speaker 4: so I guess that would be jus very bigger too.
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know. Yeah, I can't go for
Speaker 3: the ones. Well, you know what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3: I talk to her too. I talked to her too,
Speaker 3: So I don't know. All I can say is with me,
Speaker 3: you get what you're listening to, and who you know,
Speaker 3: that's what you get.
Speaker 5: There's not any other hidden agenda that than to find
Speaker 5: my grandfather's film.
Speaker 3: And who would have thought that it would be this difficult? Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's when everybody's sick and board of it.
Speaker 1: I do well, I don't do. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: anybody's sick and board of it. But the thing is
Speaker 1: everybody throws up their hands after a while and says, look,
Speaker 1: you know what, this is sixty years ago, and you're
Speaker 1: expecting to find an artifact from sixty years ago.
Speaker 5: I can't find you know, how crazy are you?
Speaker 1: I can't buy stuff from so many days leading, you know?
Speaker 4: But so you know, one of my lawyers asked me
Speaker 4: that Chucky.
Speaker 3: One of my lawyers asked me, what's that, Kale? Why
Speaker 3: would anyone.
Speaker 5: Spend this much time looking for that film?
Speaker 3: Why?
Speaker 4: And I said, because I know that my grandfather was
Speaker 4: there for a reason, and I know that it's been
Speaker 4: hidden from me for many years.
Speaker 3: For a reason, and I want to know what it is.
Speaker 3: And I think the world needs to know too. And
Speaker 3: that's how I looked at it. Is it stupid? Does
Speaker 3: that make me crazy? What does that make me? I
Speaker 3: don't know. But that's what I did, and it makes
Speaker 3: you really higher.
Speaker 4: I'm telling the powers that be this because they all
Speaker 4: look at me like I've got crabs crawling out of my.
Speaker 3: Nose, you know what I mean? I hate it.
Speaker 4: I hate it, and I'm not neurotic that way.
Speaker 3: I don't give a damn.
Speaker 5: I think I'm pretty self confident in myself, but I
Speaker 5: hate that.
Speaker 3: I hate people look at me like I've lost my mind.
Speaker 3: But I guess to people who haven't done and the
Speaker 3: things I have done and seen what I have seen,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. I guess it does look crazy.
Speaker 3: I guess it does right, maybe.
Speaker 1: Maybe to some people. But look, don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day. I really wish that
Speaker 1: we could all here. Here's where I get myself in trouble.
Speaker 1: I wish we could all you know, understand that we
Speaker 1: get a lot of pilarity, a lot more in common
Speaker 1: with each other than we have to fight with one
Speaker 1: of the other over.
Speaker 3: And that's right.
Speaker 1: And believe me, I'm sick of you just.
Speaker 3: Get taken off track. Yeah, we get taken off track, Chuck.
Speaker 3: We forget what we're about, We forget our self awareness.
Speaker 4: We we forget what's important, and we we put it
Speaker 4: up to sex or money, or power, or fame or
Speaker 4: or notoriety or I don't know.
Speaker 5: And since when are those things so important?
Speaker 3: Since win? I mean, what's really important? Is it those things?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think truth is the biggest
Speaker 3: in it. I do, I mean, And how do you
Speaker 3: have love.
Speaker 5: If you don't have truth.
Speaker 3: How do you have it?
Speaker 1: That's a good question.
Speaker 3: Yes, well, I mean fine, that's how I look at
Speaker 3: the world. I know that made me crazy. Ooh, it's
Speaker 3: that song that's like Noral's Berkley's song. You need to
Speaker 3: play it sometimes, Chuck. Do you play music on your show?
Speaker 3: Do you in the commercials?
Speaker 1: I don't need to play that way, you know what.
Speaker 1: I can play music anytime I want, but during a seven.
Speaker 1: I can't do it during a podcast because then they
Speaker 1: hit me for you know, copyright infringement. But but on
Speaker 1: my broadcast, I.
Speaker 5: Guess even if you give them, even if you give
Speaker 5: them credit, it's not fair use for the first ten
Speaker 5: seconds or so, not anymore.
Speaker 3: That's what they used to tell me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now the algorithms, the algorithms nail you. It's it's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they nail you fast.
Speaker 3: Now is algorithms is algorithms?
Speaker 5: I know it's a formula. But is it an AI?
Speaker 5: Are they cousins?
Speaker 1: Well yeah, because they feed the algorithm to the AI
Speaker 1: and the AI just picks it up, so nobody problems
Speaker 1: to actually do it anymore.
Speaker 3: You know what I thought?
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, but that's what goes on. So now you
Speaker 1: submit you know, a podcasts. Sure, it can generate a
Speaker 1: transcript for you automatically. But also that's because the AI
Speaker 1: is reading every word that's coming out. And yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how they're censoring and decisiy trying.
Speaker 3: To get rid of literature and art and original thinking.
Speaker 3: Is that what we're trying to do now? I mean,
Speaker 3: is it? Well? Why do we need that? I mean,
Speaker 3: is that what we're trying to do?
Speaker 1: Well? You know how it is? You know how it is.
Speaker 1: It's every time a technology comes in, every time a
Speaker 1: force multiplier becomes you know, becomes the primary focus, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, people stop doing the work right. So
Speaker 1: you know, you get automation. It's the way, it's the
Speaker 1: way of things. What are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: But anyway, it's getting a longe like me, am, I
Speaker 3: gonna get.
Speaker 5: In trouble for causing on there, I talk about God
Speaker 5: and then it curse like a sailor.
Speaker 3: What the heck is the marror with me?
Speaker 1: I can do it.
Speaker 3: I know, I do it.
Speaker 1: I can do all that on here. But look, Dale,
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. You spend a whole long time with
Speaker 1: us here going through all this, and I really appreciate it.
Speaker 3: But oh, man, I talked too long again.
Speaker 4: Why didn't you shut me up sooner? Be Bete, that's
Speaker 4: your fault.
Speaker 3: No, I'm blaming you. You told me you would never
Speaker 3: let me do that again. You told me. I'm blaming you.
Speaker 1: Be Pete, You're getting blamed here.
Speaker 3: No, I can blame for everything.
Speaker 1: See that that right there.
Speaker 3: Here, we're not married. That right, not married.
Speaker 1: You don't care, no, no, no, but that that is
Speaker 1: not the voice of a man who's not married to you.
Speaker 1: That is the voice of a man who's been divorced.
Speaker 1: And what we do is, after a while, we just go, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: we surrender because we know we're gonna lose anyway. It's like,
Speaker 1: it's not a matter of how much you know. It's
Speaker 1: not a matter of are you gonna win or lose.
Speaker 1: It's a matter of how much you're gonna lose. That's it.
Speaker 1: So you give up and you don't Yep, you're right,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's right.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 5: So I need to get those rhetorical answers down back
Speaker 5: in my head again. I haven't had to deal with
Speaker 5: those in a while. I need to get that back
Speaker 5: in my head again.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm not gonna tell you.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Well, if I if I'm gonna speak this year
Speaker 4: at Lancer, oh my god, somebody stand up there and
Speaker 4: tell me to shut the f up.
Speaker 3: Somebody do it. Somebody put the across your neck like
Speaker 3: you're cut up, you know, shut up.
Speaker 1: That thing looks gonna volunteer, that's gonna that's that's part
Speaker 1: of my job. So you know, if you want, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll do that with you. But I don't like cutting
Speaker 1: you off.
Speaker 3: Kid.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, but I don't.
Speaker 3: Like That's because we here, we're friends.
Speaker 5: Chuck, Chuck, that's and thank you. That's a very friendly
Speaker 5: and sincere.
Speaker 3: Thing to say. I wouldn't like doing it to you either.
Speaker 3: I get it. I wouldn't.
Speaker 5: I couldn't do it either.
Speaker 3: So you know why, because I think you're real, and
Speaker 3: I just get so tired of the unreal, that's all.
Speaker 3: I just get so tired of it. You know.
Speaker 5: I can't people to see who they are. Pollyanna, there
Speaker 5: I go again.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't have any energy or the
Speaker 1: desire to want to waste on trying to be somebody else.
Speaker 1: It's it's hard enough just doing me so right, So I.
Speaker 4: Just do what I do right now, I look at
Speaker 4: it too, and you want to you want to talk
Speaker 4: to me, that's great.
Speaker 3: You don't want to, I'm a making it. You don't
Speaker 3: have to, you know, I mean, you know, life's too short,
Speaker 3: you know it is.
Speaker 4: So look, at least I didn't talk about Beverly, I
Speaker 4: didn't talk about Robert.
Speaker 3: I did talk about Juesus. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: All right, that's right on this show. That's fine.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well, yeah, I've been trying not to pay attention
Speaker 4: to that circus, but but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is what it is. And look, I
Speaker 1: want to make sure that you know, though, that that
Speaker 1: that lawyer whose name you didn't want to mention is
Speaker 1: invited if he wants to come and do that presentation
Speaker 1: we talked about a couple of months ago.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm hoping he can by then. I really am,
Speaker 5: I really really am. But who knows, you know, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm who knows when it's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Well, also already right, and I'm really hoping that you'll
Speaker 1: be able to come up and at least, you know,
Speaker 1: go through a few more things and uh and discuss
Speaker 1: some new stuff and hopefully by then something will happen
Speaker 1: here and you'll have something branded to report, because I
Speaker 1: would buy more than happy to help you reach out
Speaker 1: to everybody and let them know news regarding this the case,
Speaker 1: the circumstances, the film. You know, I would love to
Speaker 1: break that right there.
Speaker 5: So you know, thinking of that, one more thing, Chuck,
Speaker 5: one more thing before we hang up.
Speaker 3: We really need to talk, especially appear on the board.
Speaker 4: Lantern needs to put together a nice little, truly professional
Speaker 4: looking card and send it to every member of that
Speaker 4: committee as well as do no an A, Luda, what's
Speaker 4: her name, I'm gonna say, do Alipa and miss Luna.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, all of them. Every one of them need
Speaker 3: their own invitation to come. And you know who else?
Speaker 4: Are representatives in Dallas and Tarrett County and Austin. I'm
Speaker 4: maybe even the other big like the El Paso.
Speaker 3: San Bayer County. Really, I think we need to get
Speaker 3: Texas on board. I think we need to get the
Speaker 3: federal on board. I do. I've said it for years
Speaker 3: and years and years, and you know Bill Graham agreement.
Speaker 5: Being on it, but he said nobody would go along with.
Speaker 3: It, and that was the nineties.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you what anyway, if you type me
Speaker 1: up because I don't know all the people in Texas,
Speaker 1: I would need to know. If you're willing to type
Speaker 1: it up and email it to me, I will make
Speaker 1: it happen.
Speaker 3: We will.
Speaker 1: We will get those invites out. Give me the list
Speaker 1: and let's get it. Let's get it done.
Speaker 3: I'll do it. I will do it. I will do it.
Speaker 3: I think that's a good idea, and I think it
Speaker 3: would wouldn't do anything. It wouldn't hurt with it. No,
Speaker 3: I mean they might.
Speaker 4: All get thrown away, but at least be tried exactly right,
Speaker 4: exactly Okay.
Speaker 1: You can't say that, you can't say that the effort
Speaker 1: was not made. And I think it's a good idea,
Speaker 1: So yeah, please do it. But help me out with
Speaker 1: the Texas angle, because I don't necessarily know who the
Speaker 1: right people are there.
Speaker 3: Okay, are the lucky?
Speaker 4: I mean, well, you know, just saying DP lap you
Speaker 4: very laugh BP Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm very judged. I'm sure he is. You know anyway,
Speaker 1: But I didn't want to keep you all night, but
Speaker 1: I really appreciate you stopping it.
Speaker 5: You give your wife a hug and your son too,
Speaker 5: and and bep y'all each other.
Speaker 3: There won't be anything weird about it. You got to
Speaker 3: act like you're me, that's all sure.
Speaker 1: Wait one second, though, I might have a caller on
Speaker 1: the line that might want to address a question to you,
Speaker 1: So let me see about that and see if I
Speaker 1: can bring them on. Okay, Jimmy, did you want to
Speaker 1: ask Gail a question?
Speaker 3: Oh? If I could have him, I need to a
Speaker 3: minute to think.
Speaker 6: I just popped on here and didn't know Gale was
Speaker 6: going to be on.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry. I thought you wanted because I because
Speaker 1: you had mentioned me before you want to ask Gail something,
Speaker 1: and I thought this was your opportunity. You were trying
Speaker 1: to drop in on it. So no problem. Uh, I
Speaker 1: just was trying to hook that up.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 5: I just I just happen to pop on.
Speaker 1: No problem, no problem, I'll just put you back on hold.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you, man, Just hang on and we'll get back
Speaker 1: around to you.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: But no, He's mentioned before we wanted to ask you something,
Speaker 1: and so I was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, no, I hope I didn't make it. I hope
Speaker 3: you didn't lose a listener because of me. Chuckle. My guys, No,
Speaker 3: not at all. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I didn't. Don't worry about it. And besides that,
Speaker 1: I lose listeners all the time, all on my own,
Speaker 1: so don't worry about.
Speaker 3: It, to believe.
Speaker 5: Happy Mother's Day to your wife, Happy Mother's Day to
Speaker 5: up Pete.
Speaker 4: And I love you, guys, and thank you. I'm sorry
Speaker 4: I took up all your time. I could go on
Speaker 4: another three hours with.
Speaker 3: You, a really good well good we got. We talked
Speaker 3: well together. I think.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm more than happy to talk to you, but
Speaker 1: but I don't want to keep you all night because
Speaker 1: I got a feeling you get me in trouble with
Speaker 1: somebody else in the house over there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm pretty good at getting people in trouble.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty good about that. I don't know, we try,
Speaker 3: but just think if I all right?
Speaker 4: All right, I love you guys. Happy Mother's Day weekend,
Speaker 4: and talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Happy Mother's Day to you, Gail, and I hope
Speaker 1: some more good news comes your way, very very soon.
Speaker 3: It is, it is. It's good. I feel it. O God,
Speaker 3: that craziness, but it is. Everything is great.
Speaker 4: It is Send all the powerpool positive my way and
Speaker 4: I would be so appreciative.
Speaker 3: Chuck. Okay, you too, be Pete, there you go, Okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right, Gail, Gail, Nick Jackson, everybody, And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: it's it's always an experience. And you've got stories out
Speaker 1: of that, you got some comedy out of that, you
Speaker 1: got an update on the Knicks film, So what else
Speaker 1: could you possibly ask for it? I love Gail, she's
Speaker 1: the best man and BP thank you for chasing her
Speaker 1: down and staying on her because I can't seem to
Speaker 1: get her on my show anymore. But if we can
Speaker 1: get her to call in on a Friday once in
Speaker 1: a while, boy, I'll be happy. So thank you for that.
Speaker 3: We will stay on it.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it because you know, and now that I had
Speaker 1: to reassert myself on Facebook, I've got what ten friends,
Speaker 1: so you know, nobody knows where I am anymore. They're
Speaker 1: probably messaging the old account, like, hey man, this guy
Speaker 1: won't even get back to me. But I'm locked out
Speaker 1: of the original Chuck O'Kelly account and I can't get
Speaker 1: back on because I don't have a government ID. Thank
Speaker 1: you very much anyway, So but it is great to
Speaker 1: hear from Gail and I'll give you guys the link
Speaker 1: to that article. I got to find that article again
Speaker 1: about the sixth floor and all that, and I think
Speaker 1: it was I think she was right. Jeff Meek might
Speaker 1: have wrote about it. Did you see that article, be Pete.
Speaker 2: I saw what I saw what came up on Twitter
Speaker 2: when Degenio.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Deugenio was talking about it on Twitter. Right.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask her, and I didn't get
Speaker 1: a chance.
Speaker 2: How many copies of mixed film can they tracked down?
Speaker 1: Oh? She might let another hang on, I know there's
Speaker 1: no way to track down all the ones.
Speaker 3: Oh, I've got this.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna make a copy of it.
Speaker 3: Nobody knows about it, but I mean just the copies that.
Speaker 2: Were made from it being turned in and it going
Speaker 2: to different individuals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my main hold. On a second, she might
Speaker 1: still be on the line, jail.
Speaker 5: I am. I'm listening so that y'all could hear it,
Speaker 5: so my husband can hear it too. Thank you, Gill
Speaker 5: are so kind.
Speaker 4: Okay, fifth Keally had the best formula for that, because
Speaker 4: you're right, be Pete, there is no way in hell
Speaker 4: of knowing that, no way, but you could trace it
Speaker 4: back like an ancestry tree. You know what I mean
Speaker 4: by looking at the generations, because there are that many
Speaker 4: differences in the films. There's that many. Just so you know,
Speaker 4: I mean, just so you know.
Speaker 5: So now is that?
Speaker 3: Why is it? Because in the old days it would
Speaker 3: have been because it was taking generation third general.
Speaker 4: But now, and actually it's been for a while, you
Speaker 4: could do that stuff, that stuff yourself.
Speaker 1: I've got the right equipment right because of all the
Speaker 1: digital copies. Now it's it's literally impossible. I mean I've
Speaker 1: gotten I've got two different digital copies of the thing personally,
Speaker 1: and I mean I'm not even out there like searching
Speaker 1: for them. These are just things I got, you know.
Speaker 1: And I've got to disassembled one frame by frame and
Speaker 1: it sucks, by the way, It's not good.
Speaker 3: But anyway, he checked this line.
Speaker 4: I scream and cry and worry about that crap all
Speaker 4: the time, about losing our trust and freedom. I'm telling you,
Speaker 4: I'm scared to death about it. I only because what
Speaker 4: I've done, and hopefully we'll.
Speaker 5: Be able to tell other people too, you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, hopefully. I don't know what's going to happen here,
Speaker 3: so and I'm not trying.
Speaker 4: To sound dire, and I'm not trying to sound I
Speaker 4: don't mean that.
Speaker 3: I know how things are run these days, and I
Speaker 3: know what you can say and which can't. And I don't.
Speaker 5: Want to cause any issues for anyone, especially those that
Speaker 5: are close to me, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: That's all. It's all I want to say.
Speaker 1: And personally it is my own. I don't see why
Speaker 1: there is not a downloadable you know. That's another thing
Speaker 1: is even with the Zubruter film, you can't just go
Speaker 1: get a digital copy of the Subruter film, you know,
Speaker 1: and and that they paid them for that a lot
Speaker 1: of money, okay, and the only way you get at the.
Speaker 5: Sixth Floor Museum we're talking about now, guys to the government.
Speaker 3: And the sixth Floor Museum. That's what we're talking about.
Speaker 1: The sixth Floor Museum ended up with the with the
Speaker 1: other copy, you know, which was the tax write off.
Speaker 1: But okay, fine, but digital access to that, like you know,
Speaker 1: we can download all these other things. I mean, even
Speaker 1: there was this week on the RFK stuff. They came
Speaker 1: out with some MP three's I haven't even gone through
Speaker 1: them yet, but just a few days ago, and you know,
Speaker 1: why can't we download the films. Why can't we download
Speaker 1: a good crystal clear digitized version of each of these films?
Speaker 5: Then, because they say they don't, they say.
Speaker 3: They don't have it. That's why, that's why there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well.
Speaker 3: We all know better, and we all oh my gosh,
Speaker 3: it's disgusting. It's totally disgusting. And now maybe they'll make.
Speaker 5: People understand me a little bit better.
Speaker 3: Why it's hard to trust these days, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, been hard for a while.
Speaker 4: It's been heart for a long while. Exactly on both sides.
Speaker 4: It's America. I don't mean President now, President before president
Speaker 4: twenty years ago. I don't even mean. I mean, it's
Speaker 4: scary and I never believed it.
Speaker 5: I never kid But then again, you know, you can't
Speaker 5: be a pollyann or forever.
Speaker 1: No, I love it. I had crazy ideas about America too,
Speaker 1: because it was fed to me by my grandparents who
Speaker 1: were not from here. They came from other places, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm second generation here, and they had a whole other
Speaker 1: idea about this country. Let me tell you. They thought
Speaker 1: it was you know, safety and prosperity, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just Wesly and Ireland.
Speaker 3: My grandfather thought he was going to retire on twelve
Speaker 3: thousand and five. Come on, come on, Okay, Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Looked at the difference,
Speaker 3: and no one does. They don't pay attention to.
Speaker 5: The history of the times. They just don't.
Speaker 3: Socio economic, all of it.
Speaker 5: And democratic.
Speaker 4: And I don't mean as a democratic Republican. I mean
Speaker 4: as in our you know what we do, our vote,
Speaker 4: our say so we're Americans. We get to talk the
Speaker 4: way we want to talk.
Speaker 3: And if we're lying, then we need to be called
Speaker 3: out for it. I think we don't.
Speaker 1: You absolutely true. So Gail, look, I am coming to
Speaker 1: the end of my time slot though, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: we got like eight minutes.
Speaker 3: Okay, now get me again. I'm sorry.
Speaker 5: It's okay to talk to more.
Speaker 3: And I would have hung up.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's all right. Jimmy, Jimmy hung up anyway.
Speaker 1: And it's okay. We we had we had the Gail.
Speaker 3: Ex Jackson show. Let's get to talk.
Speaker 1: It's okay. We had the Gail Mix Jackson show tonight.
Speaker 1: It's all right.
Speaker 3: I'm god. We didn't bump who did we bump?
Speaker 5: We didn't bump Larry Hancock. Please tell me we didn't
Speaker 5: bump anybody, right.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no no, we didn't bump anybody.
Speaker 1: Open open lines on Fridays, Okay, and it just so happens. Good,
Speaker 1: that's the easiest.
Speaker 3: Way to call away. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, no, there's more people are listening than just us,
Speaker 1: but they.
Speaker 3: Just don't call. Well, I mean, I don't know how
Speaker 3: it works. I don't know how it works.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. It's okay. A lot of
Speaker 1: them gonna call, a lot of them don't call. And
Speaker 1: it's all right. And you know, Friday nights, we we
Speaker 1: got like a steady roster of callers that usually join us.
Speaker 1: But uh, but it's they were taping it.
Speaker 3: They had a hot date. You never know.
Speaker 1: That's all good, that's all good. Listen, they.
Speaker 3: May they're gonna listen to it after Sunday.
Speaker 1: You know, they can always get the podcast later.
Speaker 3: There you go. Anyway, So, Gail.
Speaker 1: They we're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put you back
Speaker 1: on hold again, and I really do know.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hang up, but I'm gonna yell at my
Speaker 3: husband for making me stay on the language and I
Speaker 3: got me in trouble again. It's his faults. I'm blaming
Speaker 3: him this time. I am all right.
Speaker 1: Put the blame wherever you are. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: absolutely all right. All right bye Gail nick Jackson. Once again.
Speaker 1: You can't stop her. You know it's great, isn't it,
Speaker 1: re Pete? Oh wow?
Speaker 3: I was glad we could get her on me too.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm totally thrilled we had the Gael Nick Jackson
Speaker 1: Show tonight. I mean, it's great. Forget it, man. We
Speaker 1: got stories, we got various riffs on politics and you
Speaker 1: know a lot of things. A story about Roldo, women
Speaker 1: from Texas. Okay, well, you know the only thing I
Speaker 1: could think of is things are bigger and louder from Texas.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Always? Well, there you have it.
Speaker 1: So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to sign
Speaker 1: off a little bit early, just so I can make
Speaker 1: sure to hook Aaron frowns up on time because it
Speaker 1: might take me a minute. But this team situation is weird,
Speaker 1: and we will play a couple of spots on the
Speaker 1: way out here, I guess because we didn't play any commercials,
Speaker 1: no breaks, nothing but b Pete how about I'll just
Speaker 1: give you the final word for the week. It was
Speaker 1: great to hear from Gail.
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. I was so glad she was able
Speaker 2: to come on. I know her schedule is off with
Speaker 2: tight and being able to fill a couple hours with us,
Speaker 2: you know, I feel indebted, always.
Speaker 3: Glad to have Gail on at any time. I hope
Speaker 3: she's listening to that.
Speaker 2: But other than that, I was glad we could get
Speaker 2: her on and we'll get this team's thing worked out.
Speaker 2: See we can get a little better working on it
Speaker 2: and do it again all next week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll definitely do it again next week. And in
Speaker 1: the meantime, Yeah, check out the links. I'm going to
Speaker 1: put it in the show notes for this if you're
Speaker 1: hearing the podcast, and do purchase Gail's books. They are
Speaker 1: interesting stories in and of themselves. The Missing Pieces thing
Speaker 1: has to do with a whole lot of other research
Speaker 1: she did around a whole bunch of figures that are
Speaker 1: sort of considered ancillary or tangential to the assassination quite honestly,
Speaker 1: and you know you want to get deep, you can
Speaker 1: with that Missing Pieces book. But also the Missing film
Speaker 1: very very important, and that is important because You've seen
Speaker 1: the Knixt film a million times and you probably haven't
Speaker 1: even had it credited to you. When you've seen it,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's amazing. Everybody knows the Zupruter film,
Speaker 1: but the Knicks film. There's been a bad bunch of
Speaker 1: bad copies around and there's got to be an original somewhere.
Speaker 1: There always has been, you know. Anyway, I think it's
Speaker 1: a worthy pursuit, and she is, you know, starting to
Speaker 1: make some way in court here and there, and so
Speaker 1: is her dad. But man, oh man, they need to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of it and solve that situation,
Speaker 1: you know. And I'm telling you, we would see a
Speaker 1: lot of new stuff if we got a hold of
Speaker 1: that original, because it just it would be revelatory, considering
Speaker 1: the fact that he used the indoor film, which would
Speaker 1: be more light sensitive, and I think people don't appreciate
Speaker 1: exactly what that means. All those like dark spaces you
Speaker 1: see when they should you the Knicks film, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: stuff would pop right on up and you could stop
Speaker 1: arguing over the blurs and the smudges. Believe it. Anyways,
Speaker 1: be Pete. I appreciate you for riding through this with me,
Speaker 1: and also getting gale on appreciate it a lot, and
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