WEBVTT 1 00:00:05.919 --> 00:00:15.960 Get ready, my mid it's May ninth, twenty twenty five, 2 00:00:16.039 --> 00:00:18.359 allegedly according to that thing we call a calendar, and 3 00:00:18.559 --> 00:00:22.160 I'm I'm split between like eight different apps here and 4 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:25.879 other functionalities, trying to get live with my co host. 5 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:28.320 You know, I wanted to test this last night with 6 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.640 the phone calls, but I didn't announce it ahead of 7 00:00:30.679 --> 00:00:34.640 time and nobody called in. So anyway, we're live. It's 8 00:00:34.679 --> 00:00:37.159 Friday night, and it is the open mic, even though 9 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:41.000 we went to air fifteen minutes late. Anyway, beat Peter's 10 00:00:41.039 --> 00:00:43.479 with me, and you can be too, still with the 11 00:00:43.520 --> 00:00:45.479 same old phone number until we figure out how to 12 00:00:45.479 --> 00:00:49.840 switch that. However, with the way it looks, it's kind 13 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:52.960 of wonky, so they might take away my ability to 14 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:57.159 dial and connect to teams with a phone number. Let's 15 00:00:57.159 --> 00:01:01.600 see how it goes, okay anyway for now, three one 16 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:05.439 nine five two seven five zero one six. That's three 17 00:01:05.480 --> 00:01:08.879 one nine, five two seven five zero one six. Look, 18 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.400 I don't care about the news today. I didn't look 19 00:01:11.439 --> 00:01:14.120 at it. It's probably wacky as hell, and a whole 20 00:01:14.159 --> 00:01:17.920 lot of people are concentrating on what the white smoke, 21 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.439 the new Pope holy smoke. It'd be a new Pope. 22 00:01:21.599 --> 00:01:27.480 Huh hey, quick update. I got talking with somebody in 23 00:01:27.640 --> 00:01:30.879 chat and she wanted to know when does she call? 24 00:01:31.400 --> 00:01:33.920 Ah, she can call right now she wants to, and 25 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.959 I'll bring her in on the switchboard. Three one nine 26 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:40.599 five two seven five zero one six. That's the number 27 00:01:40.640 --> 00:01:43.719 to call anyway. Let me see, do we have chat? 28 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:44.239 Oh? 29 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:46.680 I don't have a chat up that shows me that. 30 00:01:46.799 --> 00:01:47.519 But that's okay. 31 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:52.000 Oh see, I got chat is in chat. 32 00:01:52.400 --> 00:01:55.480 I got a bunch of anonymouses in chat. Nobody's typing 33 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:56.519 anything yet. 34 00:01:56.480 --> 00:02:00.200 That's okay, that's okay. I'm gonna let them know that 35 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:01.879 we went live here. 36 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.800 Gail's responded to and this is scar see. 37 00:02:09.960 --> 00:02:11.240 We'll get ready to call. 38 00:02:11.520 --> 00:02:13.879 I'll call it for such a flake and forgot for 39 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:16.240 Dad's asleep though, So it's just gonna be Gail. 40 00:02:16.280 --> 00:02:18.919 No problem at all. Always good to hear from Gail. 41 00:02:19.080 --> 00:02:20.960 So be more than happy to see her come up 42 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.599 on the switchboard. And she's getting to test this out 43 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:26.360 with us tonight. But I'm telling you right now, this 44 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:30.000 situation is not gonna hold. We're gonna have to still 45 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:32.319 find another way. And by the way, I looked at 46 00:02:32.319 --> 00:02:34.520 a couple of different options where they were like, hey, look, 47 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:36.680 we'll give you an international phone number and all this 48 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.800 other cool stuff, and I went, great, Only problem, you 49 00:02:39.960 --> 00:02:44.800 need like a ten digit passcode. So in other words, 50 00:02:44.840 --> 00:02:46.360 I'm gonna have to give you a brand new phone 51 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:49.919 number every night, and then I'm gonna have to give 52 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:52.840 you another ten digits. You gotta. I don't think I 53 00:02:52.840 --> 00:02:54.719 would go through all that aggravation to call a new 54 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:57.599 radio show. And I used to like to do that, 55 00:02:57.879 --> 00:03:00.560 like on the overnights and stuff when I lived in 56 00:03:00.560 --> 00:03:04.120 New York. I would call it sports radio, this is 57 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:07.159 true stories, by the way, sports radio, political radio, on 58 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:10.919 the overnight, weird story, you know radio on the overnight, 59 00:03:10.960 --> 00:03:16.080 I would call in. I was a caller on radio shows. Anyway. 60 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:19.800 I do see that we have a caller on the line, 61 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.960 so I'm going to get straight to that caller. But 62 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.520 anybody else who wants to join us three one nine 63 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:29.800 five two seven five zero one six, and hopefully our 64 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:32.080 caller can hear us and we can hear our caller. 65 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:35.080 Let's see how it goes. Hey, I think I just 66 00:03:35.159 --> 00:03:35.759 unmuted you. 67 00:03:38.439 --> 00:03:38.800 Is that me? 68 00:03:39.319 --> 00:03:39.840 That is you? 69 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:44.639 Okay, Chuck? 70 00:03:44.759 --> 00:03:47.800 Please, oh my god, don't think we'll go ahead and 71 00:03:47.879 --> 00:03:49.199 judge me because I do it too. 72 00:03:49.560 --> 00:03:50.759 I am so sorry. 73 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:53.800 I forgot that it was Friday, and jeez, the day's 74 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:55.319 just run into each other. 75 00:03:55.439 --> 00:03:59.719 I'm so sorry. Hey, but BP man, he stayed on it. 76 00:04:00.080 --> 00:04:01.800 I know he got me. I know, and I'm not 77 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:03.800 going to judge Gail. Why would I judge it? You 78 00:04:03.840 --> 00:04:06.840 know what? I know that the second that something happens 79 00:04:06.840 --> 00:04:08.960 in your world, you get on the horn with Doug, 80 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.199 and Doug gets to do a show with you. Then 81 00:04:12.560 --> 00:04:14.120 I try to do a show with you and you 82 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.079 weren't feeling well. And then I ended up talking to 83 00:04:16.160 --> 00:04:17.800 your husband while I was live on the air, and 84 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:19.959 I'm talking to him on a separate phone because you 85 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.759 didn't feel well, And then your lawyer didn't want you 86 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:24.800 to talk for a little bit. I think, so I 87 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:27.680 know where life chuck. 88 00:04:28.040 --> 00:04:29.839 Why would anyone want to be me? 89 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:33.600 Why would anyone want to impersonate me? 90 00:04:33.800 --> 00:04:36.959 Hack me? I don't know. I just don't know. 91 00:04:37.000 --> 00:04:39.800 My life is kind of weird right now, but it's 92 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:40.279 all good. 93 00:04:40.439 --> 00:04:41.199 Are you listen? 94 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:41.600 Good? 95 00:04:41.639 --> 00:04:42.800 My life's always kind of weird. 96 00:04:42.920 --> 00:04:44.680 Let me get one thing straight with you. Since I 97 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:47.000 am part of the planning committee this year, are you 98 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:48.240 coming to Lancer or not. 99 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.480 I well, I mean Gabby as me and I told 100 00:04:53.519 --> 00:04:58.279 her I would then excellent, Okay, okay, Chuck, okay, Chuck. 101 00:04:58.360 --> 00:05:00.920 But I do have to say this, Yes I I 102 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.240 didn't know gush am I on my air? 103 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:06.800 Yes am I on the air? 104 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:09.600 Yes, then I. 105 00:05:09.639 --> 00:05:15.639 Better not better not say. But we all know the 106 00:05:16.399 --> 00:05:17.360 I told her I would. 107 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:20.360 They were always so kind to me, and you know 108 00:05:20.720 --> 00:05:24.680 I I yeah, I I just don't know. I don't 109 00:05:24.920 --> 00:05:27.319 much care for that gruber guy and I didn't know 110 00:05:27.360 --> 00:05:28.439 that he was going to be there. 111 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:31.040 Why can't it just be you? I mean, why can't it? 112 00:05:31.480 --> 00:05:33.279 You're the better podcast? 113 00:05:33.800 --> 00:05:36.639 I mean yeah, I think, Okay, I understand what you're 114 00:05:36.639 --> 00:05:40.480 saying there, but uh yeah, yeah, and I get it. 115 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:41.639 You don't get to say so. 116 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:46.000 Well, here's the thing. I have a say so, but 117 00:05:46.360 --> 00:05:50.199 I don't have control of the organization, right. I got 118 00:05:50.199 --> 00:05:51.879 a vote, that is what I got Gail, and I 119 00:05:51.879 --> 00:05:56.160 do have a significant vote, but but it's not good 120 00:05:56.240 --> 00:06:01.879 enough to uh yeah, uh. I can't can't certain things 121 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:04.759 I can't choose. But I'll tell you this. I did 122 00:06:06.439 --> 00:06:11.439 repel a few things from the get together this year 123 00:06:11.480 --> 00:06:15.040 that would have been there otherwise, And I know you 124 00:06:15.279 --> 00:06:17.439 and I know I'm making it into a better situation. 125 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.639 And I'm actually reaching out to some people that probably 126 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:26.279 never got heard from before and wouldn't have gotten heard from, 127 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:29.639 you know, God blessed Deborah, God blessed Deborah and everything. 128 00:06:29.720 --> 00:06:33.319 But she has retired from this situation now and that 129 00:06:33.399 --> 00:06:38.959 took some handcuffs off of the organization. Yeah, just wanted 130 00:06:39.000 --> 00:06:41.800 you to know that. So there's a little more of 131 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:44.240 an influence on it from me this year than ever 132 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:44.759 has been. 133 00:06:45.519 --> 00:06:50.279 But well, yeah, but that one someone I don't know 134 00:06:50.319 --> 00:06:53.120 who you guys are asking to speak, but I can 135 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:59.120 suggest several I mean I can I you know Linda, 136 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:02.720 you know Linda, you know Linda Giovanna Zambanini. 137 00:07:03.160 --> 00:07:05.439 Yeah, I'm waiting for her. I'm waiting for her to 138 00:07:05.480 --> 00:07:07.279 send me some material. Actually yep. 139 00:07:07.600 --> 00:07:11.160 M oh, okay, Well you're ahead of me, so neverver mine, 140 00:07:11.439 --> 00:07:13.680 No no problem about you took. Why aren't you going 141 00:07:13.720 --> 00:07:15.959 to be up there and talk? Why not? Be pete? 142 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:19.480 You guys are smart? Why not? And entertaining? Why not? 143 00:07:19.600 --> 00:07:20.079 You guys? 144 00:07:20.279 --> 00:07:22.720 Well, I'm gonna be doing that. Well, I'm gonna be 145 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:26.879 doing the MC job. Okay, uh And yeah, and that's 146 00:07:26.920 --> 00:07:30.959 fine by me because I also do about five other 147 00:07:31.000 --> 00:07:33.519 things while everything else is going on, and people don't 148 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:35.720 necessarily realize that. But I do a lot of behind 149 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:40.920 the scenes stuff. Okay, yeah, so yeah, I've been keeping 150 00:07:40.959 --> 00:07:45.480 it running really and yeah, that's what goes on there. 151 00:07:45.519 --> 00:07:48.480 I mean logistically the one year I was literally running 152 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:50.959 around with pieces of furniture trying to trying to tamp 153 00:07:51.000 --> 00:07:54.000 things down and get things together because things were not 154 00:07:54.879 --> 00:07:59.920 planned perfectly. Let's say. Yeah, and uh so, so I'm 155 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:02.720 and around doing a lot of things I don't even. 156 00:08:02.560 --> 00:08:03.519 Want to try. 157 00:08:03.079 --> 00:08:04.360 It is hard. 158 00:08:04.560 --> 00:08:09.839 Doing is hard putting on conventions or conferences or I 159 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:11.879 love all that stuff because I used to do it 160 00:08:12.199 --> 00:08:15.920 years ago, but I it's hard, so I can feel 161 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:16.360 your pain. 162 00:08:16.720 --> 00:08:19.800 And and the other thing is I like being available 163 00:08:19.920 --> 00:08:24.839 to team up with people, much like I did with me. Yes, 164 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:28.240 I did with the one year. And I stepped aside 165 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:30.560 the one year when we didn't have enough microphones for 166 00:08:30.639 --> 00:08:32.679 the panel because I thought it would be better if 167 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:34.600 we put Larry on there instead of me. 168 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:39.080 And you know, look, Larry going to be there. 169 00:08:39.440 --> 00:08:41.879 Larry is not going to travel there this year. He's 170 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:46.120 going to handle the Facebook group, and he's doing more 171 00:08:46.200 --> 00:08:48.919 than he wants to, really because I keep asking him to. 172 00:08:49.080 --> 00:08:53.879 But but honestly, yeah, Larry doesn't want to travel. I 173 00:08:53.919 --> 00:08:56.039 get it. And you know, I got one guy coming 174 00:08:56.080 --> 00:09:02.279 all the way from Australia and yeah, and it's Look, 175 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:04.440 it's going to be different this year. I assure you 176 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.120 that much, and I really want you to be part 177 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.679 of that different. But look, let's put that aside for 178 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:14.919 a minute, because I'm reading from other people that now, 179 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.759 not only did we we covered, you know, the successful 180 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:22.799 ruling you had not too long ago regarding the film, 181 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:28.200 and you know your your your dad's lawsuit basically okay, 182 00:09:28.639 --> 00:09:31.639 and that because that's that's who the playtive is in 183 00:09:31.679 --> 00:09:36.240 the lawsuit. But anyway, I read from somebody and I 184 00:09:36.279 --> 00:09:38.480 really felt bad because I was like, I wish I 185 00:09:38.519 --> 00:09:42.320 had known ahead of this other person that apparently there's 186 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:45.200 action being taken against the sixth Floor Museum. 187 00:09:44.840 --> 00:09:49.159 Now, which doesn't make me the most popular person in 188 00:09:49.200 --> 00:09:49.639 the world. 189 00:09:49.679 --> 00:09:50.840 But hey, I. 190 00:09:50.799 --> 00:09:54.799 Mean, you know, truth is truth, lying is lying, and well, 191 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:55.200 I mean it. 192 00:09:55.159 --> 00:09:59.399 Doesn't that Pete Pete is cracking up. 193 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:03.159 I'm sorry, beat, you know, I'm not one of the 194 00:10:03.159 --> 00:10:07.519 most popular people in the world, you know, everybody. 195 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:08.840 I couldn't understand. 196 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:10.519 But it's just the way she said it. 197 00:10:10.799 --> 00:10:16.039 Okay, okay, but your your your laugh is so loud. 198 00:10:16.960 --> 00:10:18.159 It was like drowning round. 199 00:10:18.440 --> 00:10:20.240 I like it though, I love. 200 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:22.759 It too, but it was just too funny. Please, but 201 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:26.879 can you explain. I don't mind. Your popularity is always 202 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:30.360 good with me. Okay, So what's going on there? What's happening? 203 00:10:31.919 --> 00:10:34.879 Okay, Well I can only say because. 204 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:37.960 You know, I still have the freaking muzzle, so whatever. 205 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:43.000 Leland de la Garza, who is the attorney who talked 206 00:10:43.000 --> 00:10:48.799 to Jeff Meek who wrote that article. What he said is, well, 207 00:10:48.879 --> 00:10:50.720 I mean there's a lot more into it that, oh 208 00:10:50.799 --> 00:10:54.960 my god, I wish I could talk about. But in essence, okay, 209 00:10:54.960 --> 00:11:01.440 in essence, we my dad. I hired Jane Silverberg and 210 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.000 Jamie is his name. He used to work for me. 211 00:11:05.240 --> 00:11:07.279 I mean in the early nineties when I was in 212 00:11:07.320 --> 00:11:11.000 grad school. I didn't have time to keep up with 213 00:11:11.039 --> 00:11:13.360 everybody that was using the next film and. 214 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:16.000 Oh my god, I mean it was everywhere, you know. 215 00:11:16.679 --> 00:11:24.440 So I hired him and I found that he also 216 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.240 was representing the Cruder family. But it's okay because he 217 00:11:27.360 --> 00:11:29.559 told me he was, and if you want to see 218 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.120 the Subbruiterer film, you're gonna want it. And if you 219 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:33.879 want to see the next film then you want, then 220 00:11:33.919 --> 00:11:38.080 you want it. And it got to the point where 221 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.080 I thought, what the heck? I made more money and 222 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:45.559 gave it to authors and wouldn't charge him, and he 223 00:11:45.799 --> 00:11:50.480 was And I'm such a control freak, I guess because 224 00:11:50.480 --> 00:11:52.399 I look at the Knicks film as my baby. I 225 00:11:53.080 --> 00:11:57.360 have tried so hard to protect it and find it 226 00:11:57.399 --> 00:11:58.480 in all these years. 227 00:11:59.080 --> 00:12:00.120 So Dad. 228 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:06.360 Decided to donate is the word, but really it was, 229 00:12:06.799 --> 00:12:09.240 you know, give it, sell it to because to me, 230 00:12:09.320 --> 00:12:13.879 it was giving to the Six Floor Museum. And he said, Gil, 231 00:12:14.080 --> 00:12:16.559 let me have Jamie's number. I said, no, Dad, I 232 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:19.039 fired him. He said I got to have a lawyer 233 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.440 to do it. And I said, well, okay, here's the number, 234 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:22.879 but I'm not talking to him. 235 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.600 I'm not doing it. No. 236 00:12:25.000 --> 00:12:28.759 Well, come to find out, the six Floorer had hired 237 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.559 him before they even made the deal with my dad, 238 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:36.240 So not only was he representing the group, which I 239 00:12:36.360 --> 00:12:39.480 was aware of, but I wasn't part of the selling 240 00:12:39.519 --> 00:12:42.320 the copyright. You know that story, you know what it is, right, 241 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:44.080 So and I don't want to get into it, but 242 00:12:44.159 --> 00:12:45.440 you know what it is. 243 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.639 And so it really. 244 00:12:47.519 --> 00:12:51.559 Caused a strain within my family because I and my 245 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:54.840 mother were the only ones that said no, I, I, no, 246 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:57.000 we're not going to sell the copy, right, But Dad said, 247 00:12:57.039 --> 00:13:00.279 it's my film, it was my grandfather's I mean, your 248 00:13:00.320 --> 00:13:01.840 grandfather's my dad. 249 00:13:02.879 --> 00:13:06.519 I'm still alive. And I said, okay, Dad, okay, So 250 00:13:07.279 --> 00:13:07.919 he's sold it. 251 00:13:08.440 --> 00:13:13.679 And we found out that Jamie Silverberg was working for 252 00:13:13.879 --> 00:13:16.240 the six Floor before they even asked my. 253 00:13:16.279 --> 00:13:21.000 Dad about the copyright. So it was a big old fraud, 254 00:13:21.120 --> 00:13:23.679 conflict of interest in the conflict yeah. 255 00:13:23.559 --> 00:13:27.759 Yeah, yeah all the way, and didn't tell Dad. And 256 00:13:27.879 --> 00:13:30.320 we didn't know about this, by the way, I didn't 257 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:32.480 know this until like two years ago. 258 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:33.360 I didn't know. 259 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.159 Now what's really sad here? What's really sad here, dail is. 260 00:13:37.200 --> 00:13:39.639 I don't know if you're aware of this, but you know, 261 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:43.799 somewhere in the mid nineties, there, uh, there was more 262 00:13:43.840 --> 00:13:48.360 than one lawyer calling up more than one researcher and 263 00:13:48.919 --> 00:13:53.879 asking them for leads on where the films were being shown, 264 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.519 displayed used because we didn't have the internet so you 265 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:03.279 could look up everybody's document entry, right, And so they 266 00:14:03.320 --> 00:14:06.600 were coming to guys like me and asking us, where 267 00:14:06.639 --> 00:14:10.320 have you seen the Zubruder film or where have you 268 00:14:10.399 --> 00:14:14.639 seen the Knicks film? And you know, and I even 269 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:16.480 pointed out to you one night when we were on 270 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.519 a show like ten years ago. I said, you know, 271 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:22.960 I recall it being used on a television show that 272 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:25.120 I was watching. And you were like, I never saw 273 00:14:25.159 --> 00:14:26.600 it on there, And I said, I guarantee you if 274 00:14:26.600 --> 00:14:28.919 you see the full cut of the show, it's there. 275 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:32.919 They call it something else, but it is the Knicks film, 276 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.559 and it is the part you know before they're on 277 00:14:36.639 --> 00:14:41.000 Elm Street and they use that from the mix and 278 00:14:41.080 --> 00:14:43.720 they put it, you know, in context. They were trying 279 00:14:43.720 --> 00:14:46.080 to put in context with the Zapruder film because Zubruter 280 00:14:46.120 --> 00:14:50.200 doesn't have anything outside of Elm Street. Okay, So they 281 00:14:50.240 --> 00:14:57.559 show the mix part of Maine, you know, and then 282 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:01.159 they show the Zapruder part of Elm And they're doing 283 00:15:01.200 --> 00:15:03.440 this in a documentary. And I told you about that 284 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:05.360 on the show one night that you didn't know about 285 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:10.200 that was everywhere, yep. And I remember these guys. 286 00:15:11.240 --> 00:15:14.000 It was hard to keep up with Chuck and Air. 287 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:16.080 I am going to grad school and then I got 288 00:15:16.120 --> 00:15:17.159 pregnant in the middle of it. 289 00:15:17.480 --> 00:15:20.200 I told you my life is not like normal people. 290 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:20.960 It just isn't. 291 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:27.000 But anyway, that's that's essentially what the what the lawsuit 292 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:31.080 is about, is that you know these some of these lawyers. 293 00:15:31.120 --> 00:15:33.399 And I'm not saying all lawyers are disgusting. I mean 294 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:36.240 it would be like saying all podcast guys or discuss 295 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:40.559 It would be like saying that everybody who talks about 296 00:15:40.679 --> 00:15:43.200 the jfk assassination is in it for the money. What 297 00:15:43.480 --> 00:15:44.120 a joke. 298 00:15:44.519 --> 00:15:47.399 First off, And I know this is going to sound 299 00:15:47.440 --> 00:15:51.200 so freaking hypocritical, and I don't mean it. I'm don't 300 00:15:51.440 --> 00:15:52.679 want it to sound that way. 301 00:15:53.080 --> 00:15:53.759 But if you. 302 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:57.879 Don't stand up to people who are doing bad things, 303 00:15:57.879 --> 00:16:01.679 you are just as bad as they are. And Okay, 304 00:16:02.000 --> 00:16:04.039 people who don't know the story are like, oh, look 305 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:06.759 at her, she's just trying to make money. No, No, 306 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:10.080 I have been doing this since nineteen eighty eight. 307 00:16:10.720 --> 00:16:13.120 I wrote books. Do you know how much money I 308 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:13.639 have made? 309 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.840 Almost two books, really and truly because I had to 310 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.480 give it all to the lawyer, seventeen thousand dollars. Okay, 311 00:16:20.559 --> 00:16:23.639 so I'm getting rich, right, I'm getting a real rich 312 00:16:23.759 --> 00:16:24.320 over all this. 313 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.279 But right is right and wrong is wrong. 314 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:31.519 And thank you God that I finally got attorneys who 315 00:16:31.559 --> 00:16:34.759 have a few ethics and a few morals and a 316 00:16:34.840 --> 00:16:37.000 sense of what is right and what is wrong? 317 00:16:37.159 --> 00:16:37.720 You know what I mean? 318 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:40.279 What about the gentleman? What about the gentleman I met 319 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:42.639 last year at the. 320 00:16:42.639 --> 00:16:45.720 Coney Yeah he's still. Yeah, I can't say his name. 321 00:16:46.080 --> 00:16:48.159 Yeah, you know, I'm talking about it, but he still 322 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:51.360 I can't think but yeah, oh yeah, Okay, I just want. 323 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:53.639 To make sure he's still. He's still in the on 324 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.360 tune nicks here. That's all I want. 325 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.759 Yeah he is, he is good. Lord, I have got 326 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:01.200 seven freaking lawyers. Seven. 327 00:17:02.080 --> 00:17:05.759 Sometimes I feel like roadkill on a two lane highway in. 328 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:09.640 Texas and the vultures are circling, circling. I mean sometimes 329 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:12.480 I kind of feel that way, you know, when I. 330 00:17:12.480 --> 00:17:19.079 Go through a divorced Yeah, I'm feeling those divorceries. I'm 331 00:17:19.079 --> 00:17:22.839 feeling those wives too. You know what you get handled 332 00:17:22.880 --> 00:17:25.640 when see Gail doesn't know about this because you know 333 00:17:25.880 --> 00:17:29.480 she's actually stayed married, but you know when when you 334 00:17:29.519 --> 00:17:32.799 get divorced and uh and and also I think it 335 00:17:32.839 --> 00:17:34.319 has something to do with being a guy. But when 336 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:37.400 you're divorced and you're a guy, you know, sometimes it stings. Gail. 337 00:17:37.480 --> 00:17:41.200 I'm just telling you, uh three on my last one, 338 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:42.480 could lawyers? 339 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:45.279 How could it not? How could it not? 340 00:17:48.079 --> 00:17:52.599 He listen to you, guys, Darryl Daryl came out, my husband, Darryl, 341 00:17:52.880 --> 00:17:56.079 he came out yesterday in out the door. And just 342 00:17:56.160 --> 00:18:00.640 so you know, I, Darryl and I are My dad 343 00:18:00.759 --> 00:18:03.319 was in a rehab center, which is a nice way 344 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:10.640 of saying nursing home seriously, and I fighting with other 345 00:18:10.720 --> 00:18:13.799 members of my family who kind of wanted him to 346 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:14.279 stay there. 347 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.359 I shouldn't even say kind of, and I. 348 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.720 Was just adamant about no, no, no, Now. I am 349 00:18:19.759 --> 00:18:23.400 not putting down nursing homes because please God, people need them. 350 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:28.079 But Dad, I knew that my kids are grown, you 351 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:30.519 know what I mean. I knew that he. 352 00:18:30.480 --> 00:18:32.920 Could stay with us and we could watch him in it. Now, 353 00:18:33.440 --> 00:18:36.440 I had no idea how hard all this caregiving is. 354 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:41.960 So this is a brava, This is a congratulations. 355 00:18:42.039 --> 00:18:43.759 This is a way to go to. 356 00:18:43.759 --> 00:18:46.880 Everyone who is listening to you that's a caregiver, because 357 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:50.160 it's a hard, hard job that we need to remember 358 00:18:50.640 --> 00:18:53.400 it is a circle of life, and our parents did 359 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.559 it for us, and if we've got the energy in 360 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:58.799 all to do it, then at least me and my 361 00:18:58.880 --> 00:19:01.799 husband do I mean, what we're doing, you know what 362 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.440 I mean? And that's where I am on top of 363 00:19:05.480 --> 00:19:09.079 all this other stuff, which is all good. And I'm like, Dad, 364 00:19:10.039 --> 00:19:12.319 you've got to work with me. You've got to get stronger, 365 00:19:12.319 --> 00:19:15.279 because he's been there for like four months, and my 366 00:19:15.400 --> 00:19:16.759 husband and I were there. 367 00:19:17.039 --> 00:19:19.440 Every week, every other day we were up there. 368 00:19:19.799 --> 00:19:24.359 But you can watch people just mummifying pretty much, is 369 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:26.799 how I look at it. I mean, where their brain's 370 00:19:26.920 --> 00:19:29.680 not being used, where no one's staying do them where 371 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:31.880 the rehab they can only. 372 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.039 Do so much, you know, you know what I mean. 373 00:19:34.240 --> 00:19:38.839 And that's where we are. So I wish I had 374 00:19:38.880 --> 00:19:42.400 remembered it's my fault that it's Friday, because I would 375 00:19:42.400 --> 00:19:45.200 have kept Dad awake so he could say, hello, I'm 376 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:47.759 doing anything I can to keep him. 377 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:48.839 A part of. 378 00:19:50.559 --> 00:19:55.000 Society, a part of culture, a part of He just 379 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:56.440 needs to know that. 380 00:19:57.920 --> 00:20:00.880 He's important, you know what I mean. To me and 381 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.519 Daryl are my kids. But to the world, I said, Dad, 382 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:07.400 there's plenty of people that would like to know things 383 00:20:07.440 --> 00:20:10.319 that if they haven't read my book. 384 00:20:10.160 --> 00:20:11.119 Or you were right there. 385 00:20:11.160 --> 00:20:14.119 I mean, he's the one that my grandfather called in 386 00:20:14.160 --> 00:20:19.400 the middle of the night when Dinah Color called to say, 387 00:20:19.839 --> 00:20:21.359 you've got the. 388 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.400 Assassination and he's like, no, I thought of my but 389 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:24.720 I had. 390 00:20:25.119 --> 00:20:27.599 My grandfather said that I thought I might have, but 391 00:20:27.640 --> 00:20:30.279 I wasn't sure, so he called my dad up. At 392 00:20:30.279 --> 00:20:33.079 that time, that was sixty three, So my dad was, 393 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:38.039 what twenty four thirty nine, what's thirty ninth sixty three, 394 00:20:38.200 --> 00:20:42.079 that's when he was born, So twenty two twenty. 395 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:45.559 Three young, I mean young, just like Lee Harvey Oswald, 396 00:20:45.759 --> 00:20:46.960 just like Reuel Frasier. 397 00:20:47.119 --> 00:20:50.640 They all were, I mean, So they went running down there, 398 00:20:50.680 --> 00:20:53.920 and Dad has seen the original film. I have never 399 00:20:54.039 --> 00:20:57.400 seen it in almost sixty seven years, I have never 400 00:20:57.480 --> 00:20:59.160 seen the original film. 401 00:20:59.440 --> 00:21:03.799 But Dad was down there and saw it with my grandfather. 402 00:21:03.480 --> 00:21:07.319 On the white walls and Dinah Color at the Dinah 403 00:21:07.319 --> 00:21:12.119 Color processing when I'm watching it until the camera operator. 404 00:21:11.720 --> 00:21:14.559 Said, instru next, we need to stop. 405 00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:16.160 Because I'm scared we're gonna burn the film because you 406 00:21:16.200 --> 00:21:18.480 know they use that light bulb, you know, I mean 407 00:21:19.039 --> 00:21:20.400 on the projectors. 408 00:21:21.039 --> 00:21:24.720 So yeah, and Dad went with Dad. Dad went with. 409 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:30.039 Pap Ulp with my grandfather to New York to Time Life, 410 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.759 where they just totally made my grandfather feel like a. 411 00:21:34.720 --> 00:21:36.119 Sub human person. 412 00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.799 We considered time Life said to him, this is C. D. 413 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:45.559 Jackson and those guys, they said to my grandfather, we 414 00:21:45.599 --> 00:21:48.799 look at this as a nuisance film. And I mean, 415 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:54.720 my grandfather had all these delusions of grandeur that that 416 00:21:54.839 --> 00:21:59.400 he was gonna they He believed that the Subpruder film, 417 00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:02.319 you know, was they gave him twenty five thousand. 418 00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:03.880 Now, of course we all know it was a lot 419 00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.759 more than that, a lot more than that. 420 00:22:06.440 --> 00:22:09.640 And so he thought if he got twelve five, I mean, 421 00:22:09.640 --> 00:22:11.920 he and my grandmother could retire. 422 00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:15.160 I mean, that is seriously what he thought. And they said, 423 00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:18.200 we consider this a nuisance film. We'll give you three 424 00:22:18.279 --> 00:22:19.400 thousand dollars for it. 425 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:23.160 And my grandfather stood up sixty five, my dad sixty seven. 426 00:22:23.559 --> 00:22:27.920 And both of them stood up, and James Wagonboard was there, 427 00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:31.440 the late James Wagonboard. He was the one that walked 428 00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:34.400 him up the stairs. And he said that my grandfather 429 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:38.480 clinched his fist turned and it started turning red from 430 00:22:38.480 --> 00:22:39.319 his fists. 431 00:22:39.000 --> 00:22:41.240 All the way up to his head because he. 432 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:45.039 Was so embarrassed and so he felt like he was 433 00:22:45.079 --> 00:22:48.279 being mistreated and he was, I mean he was. 434 00:22:48.759 --> 00:22:49.559 And as they went. 435 00:22:49.440 --> 00:22:51.880 Down the stairs, James Wagonboard took him back down the 436 00:22:51.920 --> 00:22:57.759 stairs there was re Schoenfeld and Bert Rhinehart from UPI and. 437 00:22:58.240 --> 00:22:59.880 Said, oh, did you sell it? Did you sell it? 438 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:02.880 He said, hell, no, I didn't sell it, and he goes, well, 439 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:06.440 Bert Reinhart said, well, come with us, we want to 440 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:06.799 buy it. 441 00:23:06.839 --> 00:23:09.519 And that's what happened. I mean, that's why UPI got 442 00:23:09.559 --> 00:23:10.079 it right. 443 00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:14.440 And for years before they started, you know, they went 444 00:23:14.440 --> 00:23:19.000 with Ted Turner and started CNN and the Turner Network TV. 445 00:23:19.240 --> 00:23:21.599 That was Bert Reinhart. 446 00:23:20.920 --> 00:23:26.160 And Ree Schomfeld. They carried it around in their pocket. 447 00:23:26.559 --> 00:23:30.640 In fact, Ree Schomfeld the film, I carried it around 448 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:32.880 in their pocket. That's how protective they were of it. 449 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:38.240 And Breece Schompeld has written, well, he's passed away now 450 00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:41.799 since too, but he wrote a couple of articles for 451 00:23:41.880 --> 00:23:43.599 the Columbia Journalism Review. 452 00:23:43.680 --> 00:23:44.319 I believe I. 453 00:23:44.559 --> 00:23:48.799 Think that's who it was about the Knicks film and 454 00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:52.960 who all was asking for it. And Dick Billings, who 455 00:23:53.279 --> 00:23:56.759 we later found out was with the CIA through documentation 456 00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:59.880 and a work for time life. He was very in 457 00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.720 didn't and I. 458 00:24:01.880 --> 00:24:03.519 You know these people here, this. 459 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:05.400 Would be the same. This would be the same Dick 460 00:24:05.440 --> 00:24:09.319 Billings that co wrote the book and also co wrote 461 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:14.519 the House Select Committee on Assassinations Report, right, but he 462 00:24:14.599 --> 00:24:17.440 also co wrote the book the book with g Robert 463 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:22.319 Blakey after that limited hangout of the HSCA. Just want 464 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.400 to point that out for listeners in case they didn't 465 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:28.400 know Dick Billings was. And yeah, please go ahead, But 466 00:24:28.440 --> 00:24:30.599 I have an idea when you're all done with this, 467 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:33.440 and I wonder what you think of it, because I 468 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:37.519 would love to if we could arrange for it, record 469 00:24:37.599 --> 00:24:43.079 your dad and you telling this story, Okay, telling this 470 00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.720 story in a way that it could be presented at 471 00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:49.279 Lancer and have you in person if you can go 472 00:24:50.119 --> 00:24:53.480 introduce it, we talk about it, add to it. But 473 00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:56.319 have your dad there that way, if he can't travel 474 00:24:56.359 --> 00:25:00.440 to you know, in this way, he could be there 475 00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.039 in front of everybody, and he's a witness to something 476 00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:05.799 that went on here regarding the film in the history. 477 00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.480 I think that would be a valuable thing to do. Yeah, 478 00:25:08.519 --> 00:25:11.720 go ahead, Sorry, well, no, don't be sorry. 479 00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:14.160 No, I agree and I know that he would love that, 480 00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:17.519 but I you know, I don't know if he's going 481 00:25:17.559 --> 00:25:19.839 to be up to do. He's in a wheelchair, as 482 00:25:19.960 --> 00:25:22.319 am I. But at least I can use a kine. 483 00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.440 And Dad, my husband and I work with him every 484 00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:27.839 day trying to get his uscles back. 485 00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:32.319 And I don't know, he's eighty six years old, you 486 00:25:32.359 --> 00:25:34.599 know what I mean. And so, but he's not an 487 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:37.119 eighty six year old like Jim Levelle was or. 488 00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:39.400 Like whoever is still around. 489 00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:43.359 Robert Blakey, by the way, when you brought up Robert Blakey, 490 00:25:44.279 --> 00:25:46.799 I don't know what's going to happen right now with 491 00:25:46.880 --> 00:25:49.039 the federal case. I know that we're just talking about 492 00:25:49.079 --> 00:25:51.359 the sixth floor. I've got two of them going on 493 00:25:51.559 --> 00:25:54.079 at the same time, which is why I have so 494 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:58.839 many freaking lawyers. But Robert Blakey has told me over 495 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:02.119 and over jail, we had the original we had it 496 00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:04.200 at the House Select Command, and I know they did. 497 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.440 I mean I know they did, and he said if 498 00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:10.960 he came up missing during my tenure, I. 499 00:26:10.920 --> 00:26:12.400 Will take full responsibility. 500 00:26:12.440 --> 00:26:16.839 Well, I've told these lawyers y'all, if we go to discovery, 501 00:26:17.240 --> 00:26:18.079 you guys. 502 00:26:17.880 --> 00:26:20.599 Need to subpoena him and get him up there talking 503 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:21.880 to the judge. 504 00:26:22.000 --> 00:26:25.720 I mean, I'm so hoping I can find the film, 505 00:26:25.759 --> 00:26:29.440 but I I don't know that they're going to tell me. 506 00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.000 I don't know that they are. 507 00:26:32.119 --> 00:26:35.440 I don't I don't know anything anymore. I feel like 508 00:26:35.519 --> 00:26:39.359 I have known all along and now all the. 509 00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:43.599 All the people who lie. I can't take it, Jack, 510 00:26:43.720 --> 00:26:44.200 I can't. 511 00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:46.640 There are liars all. 512 00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:52.039 And there are more liars in the world than there 513 00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:53.000 are honest people. 514 00:26:53.000 --> 00:26:55.559 In my opinions, at least, it's a little orbit. 515 00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:59.119 I have absolutely look, absolutely true number one. Number two, 516 00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:01.799 there's a lot of people telling stories for different reasons, 517 00:27:01.839 --> 00:27:06.839 trying to protect themselves. Okay, and I'm not going to 518 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.400 mention any names, because you know what, I'm trying to 519 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.359 be friendly and diplomatic with everybody at this point. Who's 520 00:27:12.440 --> 00:27:16.759 you know, even remotely worth a damn to be honest 521 00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.640 with you? But it's but it's very hard because yeah, 522 00:27:20.680 --> 00:27:23.480 I know some people are very dist you love me 523 00:27:23.559 --> 00:27:26.440 or you hate me, and I've always look, I always 524 00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:28.599 love you. I know. I know I'm not exactly on 525 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:30.559 the top of the order there for the guys you 526 00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.400 call for stuff or whatever. But I am one of 527 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:35.440 your biggest supporters. I want you to know. 528 00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.079 That, Tucky, Tucky, Chucky, chuck e Chucky. 529 00:27:38.359 --> 00:27:41.200 I so appreciate that. But listen to me, all right. 530 00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.319 I just I'm a bit of a mama bear. 531 00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:45.480 I am. 532 00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:50.880 And Doug and Rob I you know. I I talked 533 00:27:50.880 --> 00:27:53.559 to them when they were just first starting out, and 534 00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:56.039 nobody was saying this iNeST to him, and I said, man, 535 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.079 these guys know what they're talking about, they're doing. 536 00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:00.839 And that's one. I mean. 537 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:03.720 I feel like a stepmom to them, you know, and 538 00:28:03.759 --> 00:28:06.279 I am old enough to be their moms you too, 539 00:28:06.519 --> 00:28:10.759 for that matter. That's all that is. That's me with 540 00:28:10.880 --> 00:28:13.960 my little step children. Okay, I told it. I did 541 00:28:13.960 --> 00:28:15.839 not really, I understand. 542 00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.720 Look, I lost my parents very early in life, so 543 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.839 I'm not accustomed to having a mama bear anyway. So 544 00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.359 it's fine. I get it. It's cool. I get it, 545 00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:29.200 you know. And look, I'm fifty three now. I can't 546 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:32.039 even believe I'm alive this long, but I am. 547 00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:32.640 Oh. 548 00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:34.559 Well, okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. I could 549 00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:36.720 be your mom if I were from Arkansas. 550 00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:37.599 Yeah, exactly. 551 00:28:37.640 --> 00:28:40.119 No, I did not say that. Well, I did not 552 00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:41.039 say that. 553 00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:45.160 Hey, Look, my mom dropped me when she was sixteen 554 00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:48.240 and that was in New Jersey. Hun, So it's okay, 555 00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.480 don't worry about it. 556 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:54.599 I had my first child when I was thirty eight, 557 00:28:54.680 --> 00:28:56.480 in my second one when I was forty one. 558 00:28:56.599 --> 00:28:58.160 Well, okay, I'm a late bloomer. 559 00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:02.440 There you go, late bloomer waited. But no, my mother, 560 00:29:03.400 --> 00:29:03.920 I think. 561 00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:05.759 It was God. I think it was God. 562 00:29:05.799 --> 00:29:08.880 I don't think It's not like I wasn't practicing. Okay, 563 00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:11.359 I I think it was God. 564 00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.680 You're not ready. You got too much other stuff going on, 565 00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.359 and you know, I don't know enough. 566 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:23.559 So b Pete wants to tell you a story, Gail, 567 00:29:23.599 --> 00:29:24.160 how about that? 568 00:29:24.319 --> 00:29:26.359 Go ahead, be hey, tell me. 569 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:30.799 My ex wife was her mom was forty when she 570 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.160 had hers, And not long after we had started dating 571 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:35.799 that we were up at their house and down in 572 00:29:35.799 --> 00:29:38.400 the basement, you know, that's where they put all the 573 00:29:38.440 --> 00:29:41.519 awards for the kids and everything else. And I noticed 574 00:29:41.559 --> 00:29:45.039 this plaque over on the wall and it was to 575 00:29:45.119 --> 00:29:47.359 me because I wrestled in high school. It had two 576 00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.359 wrestlers on it, and I looked at my girlfriend, I said, well. 577 00:29:52.240 --> 00:29:55.279 Who won the wrestling award? Because I knew her older brother. 578 00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.400 Did wrestle her in school. She goes, Oh, that's for 579 00:29:57.559 --> 00:30:00.839 my parents, I said. For what she said at the 580 00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:03.279 last class reunion, they got the award for being the 581 00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:08.240 oldest couple having the youngest kid. 582 00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:10.240 That's probably what would happen to me. 583 00:30:10.799 --> 00:30:17.119 You know, why the why did they use wrestling? Is 584 00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.720 that the textual in the window that I'm not getting. 585 00:30:20.920 --> 00:30:22.599 That's what I got out of it. 586 00:30:23.160 --> 00:30:31.720 That's what I'm taking I'm thinking must be Yeah, so, oh, you. 587 00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.200 Know, hey, I will tell you something that I will make. 588 00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.000 I will tell you, guys first that I haven't told anyone. 589 00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.680 I am working on the book about what all is 590 00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:42.960 happening right now. 591 00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:46.119 Maybe someone will buy this book. I mean, who knows, 592 00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:49.160 you know what I mean, Maybe someone will. But that's 593 00:30:49.200 --> 00:30:52.279 what I'm doing. And it is a heck of a story. 594 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:55.400 I I no one's ever going to believe it ever 595 00:30:55.680 --> 00:30:57.000 in a million years. 596 00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:01.000 She made it up. And I know You've got a 597 00:31:01.079 --> 00:31:12.519 projected by this date, No, I guess, I guess No, Yeah, 598 00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.279 I'm just no. I'm hoping it'll be this year. I 599 00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:17.039 really do. 600 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:20.519 Because I'm a pretty quick writer when I've got the 601 00:31:20.559 --> 00:31:24.759 time and I'm not dealing with lawyers or doctors or. 602 00:31:24.799 --> 00:31:28.599 Nurses or rehab people or husbands. 603 00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:30.480 You know what I mean, and only have one. I 604 00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:32.319 mean it sound like plural, but you know what I mean. 605 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:37.079 So I'm hoping it'll be this year. I'm really hoping. 606 00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:41.599 We'll see, We'll see, And I just need a good name. 607 00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.319 Anybody got I'm I'm up for names, and I'm trying 608 00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:47.839 to work on the opening. I've got most of the 609 00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:50.920 middle part done, but the opening of a book and 610 00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.200 the ending of a book of the two hardest things 611 00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:57.039 to write in my opinion. So you know, well, if 612 00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:58.559 anybody got a name for it, though. 613 00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:00.839 If I knew a little bit about what's in the middle, 614 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:02.599 I might be able to help you with the opening, 615 00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:04.880 because I'm just. 616 00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.960 Talking about what's been going on since we for the 617 00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:11.400 last five years. Oh don't I haven't any well talk really, 618 00:32:11.799 --> 00:32:12.000 you know. 619 00:32:12.319 --> 00:32:15.359 I started writing my I must have written about, like 620 00:32:16.039 --> 00:32:18.680 I don't know, ten forwards to my book, and now 621 00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.359 I'm having trouble finishing it. Uh And mine is called 622 00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:30.480 a Hitchhiker's Guide to the JFK Assassination. That's kind of cool, yeah, 623 00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:33.000 you know, because I feel like that's what happened to me. 624 00:32:33.079 --> 00:32:35.680 I just sort of, you know, fell in and joined in, 625 00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.200 and all of a sudden, I was with all these 626 00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:42.440 academics and school teachers and stuff, and I didn't belong. 627 00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:46.279 I looked like I looked like an outlaw biker, you know, 628 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.240 hanging out with these people. Even John Judge, what makes 629 00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:50.680 you cool? 630 00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.680 That's what makes you cool? And who cares? 631 00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:56.519 I mean, writers don't have a look about them, do 632 00:32:56.599 --> 00:32:56.960 you think. 633 00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:58.680 I don't think they do. 634 00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.200 But do you I'm not really a writer though. See, 635 00:33:01.240 --> 00:33:04.359 that's the fun part. Is the reason why I've done 636 00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:06.519 more than two thousand podcasts. And by the way, you 637 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.599 spoke to me within the first year I started my podcast. 638 00:33:11.359 --> 00:33:12.759 Yeah, I really, yeah you did. 639 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:15.599 If you look back, I think our first conversation was 640 00:33:15.640 --> 00:33:18.880 either twenty I think it was twenty fourteen. I'm pretty sure. 641 00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:21.680 Yeah, when the first book came out. 642 00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:23.920 You're right, Yeah, you're absolutely right. 643 00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:27.240 So I started in twenty that the very first twenty thirteen. 644 00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:30.920 The very first person I ever ever ever the. 645 00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:32.559 Very first well other than. 646 00:33:34.119 --> 00:33:37.000 It was a documentary, The very first thing I ever did, 647 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.160 but there weren't podcasts back in those days, was John 648 00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:42.440 barber Is on the Trail of the assassins and oh 649 00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:46.359 my god, I had permed hair. I was so late eighties, 650 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:47.079 early nineties. 651 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.599 Oh my good, I had permed hair. 652 00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.000 And he was the first one. And that man just 653 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.359 turned ninety two. 654 00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.839 Yeah, sop the Garrison tapes, you're talking about the first one? 655 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:00.319 Are you talking about the sea? Yeah? 656 00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.440 John Barber's yeah, on the trailer, Yeah, on the trail 657 00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.240 of the Assassin's his his. 658 00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:08.480 First one that Jim Garrison. 659 00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:15.280 Talked to him. John Barber is a real Jim Garrison officionado, 660 00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:19.079 and Garrison was reciprocal. 661 00:34:19.119 --> 00:34:21.440 They but John Barber is a really nice guy. I 662 00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:26.559 like him a whole lot. And then Jones Harris, who, 663 00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:28.719 oh my gosh, there's see. I'm old. 664 00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.480 I know all these old people that I you know. 665 00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:34.840 By the way, let me go back. I hear him 666 00:34:35.079 --> 00:34:39.079 Edith Bunkering again. Dad when the. 667 00:34:39.079 --> 00:34:41.599 Day of the assassination, he couldn't be down there with 668 00:34:41.679 --> 00:34:45.400 my dad because he worked for the Dallas Central Appraisal 669 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:47.760 District as a as a tax assessor. 670 00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:51.159 And he couldn't get off. And so my mom and. 671 00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.639 My grandmother and I went down there because we got 672 00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:56.639 to ride the bus. I mean that was really cool 673 00:34:56.679 --> 00:34:59.880 for a five year old, and my younger sister and brother. 674 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.239 They were very young. I mean they were like one 675 00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:03.199 and two, you know. 676 00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:09.480 So they stayed home and we went down to Dilly Plaza, 677 00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.000 but we couldn't make it down to where we were 678 00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:12.840 supposed to meet. 679 00:35:12.679 --> 00:35:15.559 Papaul at Maine in Houston, right there on that corner. 680 00:35:16.159 --> 00:35:19.360 So we stopped at that HL Greens too, And I 681 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:22.920 was such a brate. I loved Elvis Presley music because 682 00:35:22.960 --> 00:35:25.000 my aunt loved Elvis Presley. 683 00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.079 And the juke boxes there at HL Green. You could 684 00:35:28.119 --> 00:35:28.920 sit there and. 685 00:35:28.840 --> 00:35:31.840 You know, remember those juke boxes that were at each 686 00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:34.719 little booth. Austin Barbecue had those two. 687 00:35:35.440 --> 00:35:36.920 Oh my god, I can't believe him. 688 00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.960 Anyway, there's a president being assassinated. 689 00:35:40.960 --> 00:35:44.519 I'm playing Boston, Noah a Baby and mego Las Vegas. 690 00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:45.880 How's sad is that? 691 00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.800 But I do remember that my mother and my mother. 692 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:53.679 Had grabbed one of the welcome mister Kennedy. People were 693 00:35:53.719 --> 00:35:57.239 passing my out down there downtown, and every time they 694 00:35:57.280 --> 00:35:58.679 gave her one, she would just look at. 695 00:35:58.599 --> 00:35:59.480 It and throw it away. 696 00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:02.719 Now, I will tell you that my mother was and 697 00:36:02.760 --> 00:36:06.440 my dad too. We're both big tim Republicans. And of 698 00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:10.519 course say okay, was a Democrat, but I mean, it 699 00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:12.119 wasn't like what it is today. 700 00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:15.480 I think about those. 701 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:18.880 Days and I was older, I guess for my time 702 00:36:18.960 --> 00:36:22.800 because I remember all that stuff, and I look at 703 00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:27.760 what's going on politically today and I see such parallels, 704 00:36:27.880 --> 00:36:31.199 do you, guys or is it just me? I mean 705 00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.280 I see them, well, I really do. 706 00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:36.559 It's a different definition now, right, I mean, because a 707 00:36:36.599 --> 00:36:42.039 guy like John Connolly can't exist today. You know, a 708 00:36:42.119 --> 00:36:48.519 more conservative kind of Democrat that doesn't exist anymore, right, 709 00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:52.519 And the idea that these guys would disagree, but then 710 00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.440 they would sit down and actually, you know, okay, well 711 00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.760 we got to hammer this out together because no matter what, 712 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.199 we're all in it together kind of thing is gone. 713 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:04.559 It's you know, and that's sucks me. 714 00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.280 But it's America, for God's sakes. It doesn't matter. 715 00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.280 I mean, if you're a Republican or a Democrat, you're 716 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:15.840 an American first, That's what you are first, you know 717 00:37:15.880 --> 00:37:18.960 what I mean. And then you're a party person. And 718 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.119 in my case, I'm an American first, and then I'm 719 00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.480 a wife and I'm a mom, and I'm a researcher 720 00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:25.159 and i'm a writer. 721 00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:29.880 But party never ever, I mean, everyone needs to. 722 00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:32.079 Be a little bit more open minded and remember what 723 00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:33.719 we're all here for, you know what I. 724 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:38.000 Mean, it's scary to me, It's all very scary. And 725 00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:41.840 you know, Greg Parker in Australia and Johnny Cairn's and 726 00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.679 Scotland are like, Gil, why are you staying there? Move 727 00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:48.559 over here? And I said, I'm not going to fight 728 00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.480 fight the power. I mean over there. I mean, I 729 00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.280 want to stand up for what is white. When I 730 00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:55.880 see going. 731 00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.880 Wrong here and what's going right here, I mean there's 732 00:37:58.920 --> 00:37:59.880 a little bit of right. 733 00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.559 Not much. Most of it, in my opinion, is pretty bad. 734 00:38:03.920 --> 00:38:08.440 So I just I remember General Walker when I. 735 00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:11.960 Was doing the research on him, which was in the 736 00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.559 second book, which now is all the rage. You know, 737 00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.800 everybody's talking about General Walker now, have you noticed that 738 00:38:18.639 --> 00:38:19.280 or just me? 739 00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.119 Yeah, no, there's a lot more talk about that kind 740 00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:24.719 of stuff, and everybody was ignoring it back then. But 741 00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:28.079 that's because they're going back in history and saying, well, 742 00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:30.559 what was the alt right like back then? 743 00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:32.440 You know? Right? 744 00:38:32.760 --> 00:38:37.840 And honestly, again, another guy who I don't think could 745 00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.880 exist today is is Walker. And these guys I don't 746 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:44.760 think they would have existed even though these funerals draw parallels, 747 00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.719 I don't know. I got to disagree with you, Gail. 748 00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:50.719 I don't feel the parallel with the old and the 749 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:54.000 new kind of going in the same direction. I think 750 00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:56.280 that is a piece of history that we're never going 751 00:38:56.360 --> 00:38:59.840 to see again. You know, the way it's going. 752 00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.039 Look at it, Chuck, but look at it. Okay, General 753 00:39:04.039 --> 00:39:07.039 Walker is flying his flag upside down over their own 754 00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.480 Turtle Creek during Kennedy's tenior and while he was in town. 755 00:39:11.079 --> 00:39:14.599 And then what is that Supreme Court judge? 756 00:39:14.639 --> 00:39:17.920 Is it elite? What was it? Roberts? Who is he that. 757 00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:20.719 His wife is flying it upside down at a Supreme 758 00:39:20.760 --> 00:39:21.639 Court judge's home? 759 00:39:21.800 --> 00:39:27.320 Well, Thomas, you know Thomas Jenny, Yes, was was you know, 760 00:39:27.400 --> 00:39:29.119 part of the j sixth thing pretty much? 761 00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:32.639 So you know, well, that's what I mean. 762 00:39:33.199 --> 00:39:35.679 That's the kind of stuff I'm seeing that I see 763 00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:36.440 a parallel to. 764 00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.480 And back then in Dallas, no one really paid attention 765 00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:41.480 to it. I mean they didn't. 766 00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:44.880 You did to see a bunch of newspaper articles. But now, 767 00:39:45.599 --> 00:39:48.000 I mean it's everywhere, and I guess that's the reason 768 00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:50.119 that people say the. 769 00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:54.119 Media shields And I got to give them I've got 770 00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:54.840 to agree. 771 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.679 With them a bit because I think they really did. 772 00:39:56.880 --> 00:39:59.679 I mean in the sixties, I do, so why would 773 00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.159 they not be doing it still now? 774 00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.559 But I guess. 775 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.320 My daughter is a producer of the news, and I 776 00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:12.119 know how often she talks about how, you know, you've 777 00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:13.360 got to have the truth out there. 778 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:16.000 We can't fall in to. 779 00:40:16.239 --> 00:40:23.280 This example or into this I don't know, this morass of. 780 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:28.119 The media is nothing but lap dogs for whomever. Well, 781 00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:30.400 I mean, what do you guys think Do y'all think 782 00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.159 that's what it is? Do you think that I mean, 783 00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:34.119 do you think that the. 784 00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.119 Media is still with this guardian or do you think 785 00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:37.639 that's gone? 786 00:40:38.559 --> 00:40:41.719 Well? I don't know. And are we considered media? Me 787 00:40:41.840 --> 00:40:42.239 and you? 788 00:40:42.360 --> 00:40:48.119 And the landscape is very different now right In a 789 00:40:48.119 --> 00:40:51.119 lot of ways, the media could be a lot more independent, 790 00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:56.360 but it's not because the major electronic media is all 791 00:40:56.400 --> 00:40:58.480 owned by a very narrow group of people. 792 00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:01.960 And back then hearing. 793 00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:05.079 Yeah, it's a very narrow group of people that control 794 00:41:05.199 --> 00:41:07.800 either like I said, there's like five entities that control 795 00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:11.079 all of social media. There's like five entities that control 796 00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.639 all of the alphabet souper broadcast, and that's all there 797 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:18.280 is to it. There's just basically five or six major corporations, 798 00:41:18.800 --> 00:41:21.719 and then there's the rest of us out here who 799 00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:25.039 are doing our independent thing, you know in air quotes, 800 00:41:25.079 --> 00:41:27.440 and most of them, what are they being influence by 801 00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.840 all those people that are controlling that five or six 802 00:41:30.920 --> 00:41:33.960 group that are controlling the social media, that are controlling 803 00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:38.960 the news distribution at the top. So you know, where's 804 00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.960 the lead. Nobody's doing independent work the way I see 805 00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:43.679 it at this point. 806 00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.199 You know, I agree with that too. 807 00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:48.960 And those of us who are trying to I mean 808 00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.800 we get shut down. I mean we do that, and 809 00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:53.559 not only. 810 00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:57.000 By the media, but with people within the DFK community 811 00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:57.800 do the same thing. 812 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.960 I mean they do. And I guess those with the 813 00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:05.440 squeakiest wheel get up there and get to talk. And 814 00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:10.239 as long as they are not on one agenda, if 815 00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:14.039 they're gonna speak for the whole JFK community, they need 816 00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:15.519 to talk about all the stuff. 817 00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.599 And I know that's hard. There's too much, I mean, 818 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:22.239 there is way too much. I think there is an 819 00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:26.519 answer here to who did what in the JFK community. 820 00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:30.079 And you know, the assassination, let's just say murder. It 821 00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:32.840 was a freaking murder. I mean, I think that we 822 00:42:32.920 --> 00:42:36.440 have the answer. It's just lost among all the books 823 00:42:36.519 --> 00:42:40.239 and among people's agendas, you know. 824 00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:44.079 And I don't want to sound like a Pollyanna, which 825 00:42:44.079 --> 00:42:45.920 I am, or a hypocrite, which. 826 00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:48.079 I know it's going to sound like, because my agenda 827 00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:50.079 has always been to play my grandfather's film. 828 00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:52.159 That's it. It always has been. 829 00:42:52.239 --> 00:42:56.639 But over the years finding the things I found, That's 830 00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:59.360 why I wrote the second book, was to say, look, 831 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.000 General Walker, look at Robert Surrey, look at Lee Harvey Oslo. 832 00:43:04.119 --> 00:43:07.320 Knew them all, Jack Ruby, to them all, they were all. 833 00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:11.239 They were all hanging out at the University of Dallas, 834 00:43:11.440 --> 00:43:15.800 at the Catholic School where Robert Morris was the not 835 00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:19.760 the gateway Robert Moore, but was the president, you know, 836 00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:23.639 and he was big buddies with General Walker. 837 00:43:23.440 --> 00:43:27.840 And that whole group. And I when I went to go. 838 00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:33.920 Interview the the look up stuff in the archives there 839 00:43:34.079 --> 00:43:35.360 at the University. 840 00:43:34.960 --> 00:43:38.039 Of Dallas, the lady I don't even know if she's 841 00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.199 still there, earning with Sybil. She told me, oh my goodness, 842 00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:44.599 I remember those days I was here. And she said, 843 00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:46.760 six weeks. 844 00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.599 To two months before the assassination Walk, Oh my goodness, 845 00:43:51.960 --> 00:43:56.519 generals were coming in and out of you University of Dallas, 846 00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.800 and I said, why, I mean, why why would generals, 847 00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:04.320 I mean United. 848 00:44:03.960 --> 00:44:07.000 States generals be at the University of Dallas. 849 00:44:07.039 --> 00:44:11.519 And I looked and there was no newspaper written about it, 850 00:44:11.559 --> 00:44:11.920 there was. 851 00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:15.679 No anything, There was no but it's there and their animals. 852 00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:18.000 I mean, anybody could go look at the University of 853 00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.599 Dallas and find what I found, you know what I mean. 854 00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.239 And I there's where I think the media was covering 855 00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:28.480 stuff up. I mean not reporting, like you said, where's 856 00:44:28.519 --> 00:44:31.159 the headlines? Where are they that would have been the 857 00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.079 headline in today's time, don't you think? 858 00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:36.880 Yeah? No, absolutely absolutely. And here's what the problem is 859 00:44:36.920 --> 00:44:39.400 now is that you know, now we've reached a point 860 00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.400 where the people that are in the media are totally 861 00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.440 not informed about this stuff. They're literally taking the lead 862 00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:50.519 from you know, the strangest of sources. You know, you're 863 00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.519 still seeing them pull out you know, the guy who 864 00:44:53.519 --> 00:44:57.079 World Case closed, right Posner. You're still seeing them go 865 00:44:57.159 --> 00:45:00.000 to go to Morley only. You know, you still see 866 00:45:00.119 --> 00:45:02.239 them do that and not going to a whole lot 867 00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.199 of other people they could. And when they're not doing that, 868 00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:07.840 and they want to back the official story. They're literally 869 00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:10.320 being briefed by intelligence agency people. 870 00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:12.519 So that's right, you know, that's right. 871 00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.039 The CIA met with them before the last big document 872 00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.159 dump on JFK. The CIA met with them and said, hey, 873 00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.239 here's what's actually going to be in these files before 874 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.840 the public season, and they went with it. That's why 875 00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:27.119 all the wording was the same and all those articles 876 00:45:27.199 --> 00:45:30.559 that was published five minutes after you know, twenty thousand 877 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.320 pages dropped. You know, they didn't read it. They didn't 878 00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:35.239 have time to read it, and they wouldn't have understood 879 00:45:35.239 --> 00:45:39.000 it even if they did. So, you know, right, this 880 00:45:39.079 --> 00:45:41.360 is the this is the bad point. You know, we're 881 00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:42.719 at right where? 882 00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:45.559 But how do we fix it? Guys? How do we 883 00:45:45.639 --> 00:45:47.360 fix that? What do we do? 884 00:45:47.639 --> 00:45:50.719 I wish to tell me if I get a if 885 00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.159 I get a soapbox, to stand on the next. 886 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.800 Couple of months and tell me what do we need 887 00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:56.079 to say? 888 00:45:56.119 --> 00:45:57.679 Because on I'm going to get up there and sound 889 00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:01.480 like a dork. Yeah, you know, old lady from from 890 00:46:01.719 --> 00:46:05.760 Dallas whose Lukerburg grandfathers, they'll know. I think I agree 891 00:46:05.800 --> 00:46:07.000 with you all the way, Chuck. 892 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:09.519 What we know how to be combat it? 893 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:12.760 What we need Okay, we do. You got Representative Luna 894 00:46:13.159 --> 00:46:16.440 who's heading up that task force, right, But the rest 895 00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:19.880 of the people on that committee clearly showed they have 896 00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.280 no idea about anything that's going on. I mean all 897 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:26.320 of them. I don't care. And I'm not waving the 898 00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:29.159 flag of Democrats or Republicans or I don't care. They 899 00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:32.840 were their scoring political points and they knew nothing about 900 00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:37.719 the topic. Nothing with all optics right, right, So what 901 00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.239 you need is it wasn't. 902 00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.639 A fact finding mission. 903 00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:45.199 As inasmuch as it was optics to show that we're 904 00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:47.840 doing what we said we would do. I mean thinking 905 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:51.159 that that Oliver stellm wrote a book about LBJA. 906 00:46:51.360 --> 00:46:54.039 Oh my gosh. When I heard that, I went, oh my. 907 00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:58.639 Couldn't couldn't sort, couldn't sort, couldn't sort Oliver Stone from 908 00:46:58.719 --> 00:47:02.800 Roger Stone. That one killed me. Yeah, that was I think. 909 00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.559 And but yeah, but that's good. But that is the 910 00:47:07.719 --> 00:47:10.000 level we're dealing with at this point. Is now you've 911 00:47:10.039 --> 00:47:13.519 got people who are not necessarily trying to cover things up. 912 00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:17.199 They don't know anything. So you know, how do we 913 00:47:17.360 --> 00:47:19.719 read them in on this? That's the big question. How 914 00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.920 do you get people involved that actually know what. 915 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.519 Why do we invite them to answer? 916 00:47:26.039 --> 00:47:28.360 Well, why don't you send an invitation to some of them? 917 00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:32.039 Invite them to I'll do it. I'll happily. I mean, 918 00:47:32.159 --> 00:47:35.960 I don't have a problem with getting a hold of congressionals. 919 00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:40.239 Whoever's the why don't we get dely to ask them? 920 00:47:40.639 --> 00:47:43.239 You know what, if they're willing to come, I will 921 00:47:43.280 --> 00:47:46.880 make sure they have a space to speak and to 922 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:52.039 address everybody online and live the whole bit. No problem. 923 00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:54.960 If they want, why don't we do that? Let's make 924 00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:55.480 it happen. 925 00:47:55.920 --> 00:47:58.559 I think I think we should, and I'll tell you 926 00:47:58.559 --> 00:47:59.800 what it doesn't. 927 00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.599 Okay, I know I'm being I am trying to be diplomatic, 928 00:48:03.639 --> 00:48:05.079 and you said earlier that you were. 929 00:48:05.119 --> 00:48:08.800 Okay, here's my shot at diplomacy. Tell them. 930 00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:11.199 I don't know who Ell is going to be in Dallas. 931 00:48:11.239 --> 00:48:13.760 All I know is you guys, so but I think 932 00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:17.840 I heard no, I know I heard Peter Hyman's told. 933 00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:20.360 Me that David Dinton is going to be in town. 934 00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:22.519 But I'm just going to be honest. 935 00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.159 I don't believe Judith Barry Baker and I fast to 936 00:48:26.199 --> 00:48:28.639 her conference. I don't know that that would help any 937 00:48:28.760 --> 00:48:29.480 but I. 938 00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:33.199 Do know that they have decent people that come to speak. 939 00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:36.320 I have always been and this. 940 00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.280 Is me being dah I am, and being from Dallas 941 00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:42.559 and being the judgmental person I am. I have always 942 00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:46.039 felt if we give a platform to people that we 943 00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:50.000 know are lying, then we are just as bad. I mean, 944 00:48:50.039 --> 00:48:51.199 that's the way I look at it. 945 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:53.559 You know, do you agree or no? 946 00:48:53.840 --> 00:48:58.199 Absolutely true? Okay, absolutely true? Okay And by the way, just. 947 00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.519 Didn't want to hurt your feelings, not at all. 948 00:49:00.559 --> 00:49:03.960 Look, and just to mention here, Uh, you know what 949 00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:07.320 pieces of the puzzle and anthology. That's the book that 950 00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:10.840 Gail was talking about before that has the stuff on Walker, 951 00:49:11.360 --> 00:49:16.280 and of course the Missing JFK assassination film. Uh, that's 952 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:18.400 the other book, all right, And if you can get. 953 00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:21.480 A hold of one that bad, you know, and being 954 00:49:21.599 --> 00:49:22.760 bad at marketing. 955 00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.280 And I love the I have. I have about four 956 00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:29.000 versions of the Missing JFK film. I've got an audio 957 00:49:29.000 --> 00:49:31.719 book MP three disc. I had Gail sign it the 958 00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:34.440 one year uh. And I also have one of the 959 00:49:34.480 --> 00:49:37.119 ones with the that looks like a pack of lucky strikes, 960 00:49:37.159 --> 00:49:38.159 which I love that book. 961 00:49:38.760 --> 00:49:41.960 Uh, and you better keep it. You better keep that 962 00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:44.440 one because that one, that one's gotta. 963 00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.480 It's got a book cover on it too, doesn't it 964 00:49:46.559 --> 00:49:47.800 like a doesn't it? No? 965 00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:51.360 No mind, just hard no dust cover, no dust cover. 966 00:49:51.480 --> 00:49:52.400 It's just a hardcover. 967 00:49:53.039 --> 00:49:55.719 Oh man, I wish you had a go and I 968 00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:56.639 don't even have one. 969 00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:57.760 I don't even have one. 970 00:49:57.760 --> 00:49:58.800 I didn't get to. 971 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:01.119 My very first printing was a dust cover. 972 00:50:01.119 --> 00:50:05.599 I know. And I didn't get that one. I don't 973 00:50:05.599 --> 00:50:07.960 know how I missed that one, because I know, I 974 00:50:08.960 --> 00:50:10.840 you know what it is. I probably bought the audio 975 00:50:10.840 --> 00:50:15.480 book first and then yeah, uh so that's probably why. 976 00:50:15.960 --> 00:50:18.960 Uh But but either way, point is, and I also 977 00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.440 had like a PDF version of your book for a while. 978 00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:23.920 But either way, oh my duck. 979 00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:26.880 Yeah, remind me to hug you big time when I 980 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:30.079 see you again. I always hug you anyway, I think. Sure, 981 00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.559 I hug you really hard for that. And thank you 982 00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:34.440 for bringing up my books. This is what my husband 983 00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.679 yells at me about. You know why you only made. 984 00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:39.039 Seventeen thousand meals because you don't tell people what the 985 00:50:39.119 --> 00:50:40.199 names of your books. 986 00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.599 Are and you just give them away. You don't tell 987 00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:46.800 them deep and I do because I am a teacher 988 00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.679 at heart. I mean I was a professor all those 989 00:50:49.760 --> 00:50:51.960 years I was a high school teacher. 990 00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:56.559 I mean, I don't think that it's like the Middle Ages, 991 00:50:56.599 --> 00:50:58.559 where the only ones who could read books are the. 992 00:50:58.639 --> 00:50:59.840 Rich people in the monks. 993 00:51:00.159 --> 00:51:00.719 You know what I mean. 994 00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:05.239 I think everyone should have knowledge. So does that make 995 00:51:05.280 --> 00:51:05.920 me a liberal? 996 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.039 Does that make me a I don't know. I don't know, 997 00:51:09.119 --> 00:51:11.079 but you know, you know what I've always done. You 998 00:51:11.119 --> 00:51:13.920 know what I've always done everywhere I go is if 999 00:51:13.920 --> 00:51:16.840 I can pick up extra copies of books that I 1000 00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.360 think are good, important and informative. I have been giving 1001 00:51:20.360 --> 00:51:24.199 away books away all the time, like I've given away 1002 00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:28.880 I've given away Robert Grodin's book, you know that first, 1003 00:51:29.199 --> 00:51:32.039 The Killing of the President book, the first big picture book. 1004 00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.119 I've probably given that thing away twenty times because I 1005 00:51:35.199 --> 00:51:38.440 bought it at library sales, flea markets, I bought it 1006 00:51:39.639 --> 00:51:41.639 all over the place. I buy it at a discount, 1007 00:51:41.639 --> 00:51:44.920 and I've given it to my friends, okay, and some 1008 00:51:45.039 --> 00:51:47.599 of my close friends. I've even given away Jesse Curry's 1009 00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:50.000 book a few times, but I didn't have as many. 1010 00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.119 Copses of Rye right, and I love that book too. 1011 00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.440 I have not given away your book because I don't 1012 00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.119 have extra cops I've given away wall. 1013 00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:04.480 I don't even have any well I don't have them. 1014 00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:06.960 Yeah, if I find them, I will, but I'm gonna 1015 00:52:06.960 --> 00:52:09.559 put the links in the show notes tonight for everybody 1016 00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:13.519 you can go go go purchase gales books. I'll give 1017 00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.199 you links to go get them. And also this doesn't 1018 00:52:17.199 --> 00:52:20.760 always help her with book sales, but sometimes I've seen 1019 00:52:20.800 --> 00:52:25.719 them on the Uh there's the discount books thing. Oh man, 1020 00:52:25.760 --> 00:52:29.800 I can't remember. Oh bus shop yeah, and bookshop dot Org. 1021 00:52:30.320 --> 00:52:34.039 I'm not sure that's supposed to support local bookshops. And 1022 00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.239 I definitely have seen her book on their listed because 1023 00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:40.159 I'm always searching the JFK books on there. So just 1024 00:52:40.239 --> 00:52:43.039 letting you guys know, you'll have multiple listings for being 1025 00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.519 able to go get some of the Gale's work and 1026 00:52:46.760 --> 00:52:49.239 do buy them. These are interesting stories. And if you 1027 00:52:49.320 --> 00:52:52.199 find that MP three disc I love that thing. Uh 1028 00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.840 it comes in an orange case and uh it's an 1029 00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.559 MP three on CD. I know I'm an old guy, right, 1030 00:52:59.599 --> 00:53:02.400 I'm using CD. Still, can you believe this old people 1031 00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:05.920 use CDs? I heard the other day. 1032 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:10.000 Yeah, yeah, I got on Facebook about three or four 1033 00:53:10.039 --> 00:53:13.840 months ago that someone was asking me if I had. 1034 00:53:14.199 --> 00:53:16.760 A copy of when I was on MOROLDO. Now that's 1035 00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.599 how old that I am. Okay, that's how old. 1036 00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:23.159 I was the only female. I was the only woman. 1037 00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:27.119 You know, there's not a whole lot of women researchers 1038 00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:28.119 in the day of ta Community. 1039 00:53:28.159 --> 00:53:30.000 Let's be real, guys, there aren't. 1040 00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:34.360 I mean, there aren't and woman on stage with Mark 1041 00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.360 Lane Jim Mars. 1042 00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.760 I believe Groden and remind me to tell you the 1043 00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.920 story you already know. I'll be in. I'll tell a 1044 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.639 nice story. I won't be ugly, I promised. I'm remind 1045 00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:46.960 me of that in a minute. 1046 00:53:47.760 --> 00:53:49.400 All of them were up there and I was in 1047 00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:51.239 grad school at the time, and. 1048 00:53:51.199 --> 00:53:53.960 When they called it asked me to feel in Haraldo. 1049 00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:56.880 I was like, oh man, I've got a big paper. 1050 00:53:56.920 --> 00:54:00.559 Do that. I don't know, you know, so I and 1051 00:54:00.559 --> 00:54:02.840 my husband's like, you need to go, you need to go. 1052 00:54:03.400 --> 00:54:05.679 Maybe it'll help find your grandfather's film. I was okay, 1053 00:54:05.960 --> 00:54:06.719 So I went. 1054 00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.400 He saved me. Okay, this is what he told me. 1055 00:54:10.679 --> 00:54:14.320 He saved me until the end. Bs. I mean, those 1056 00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:16.159 men would not shut up. 1057 00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.400 They talked more than me, and that's hard to say 1058 00:54:18.639 --> 00:54:21.960 about anyone. And they were so at every break I 1059 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:25.840 had no idea that an hour long show took like 1060 00:54:25.960 --> 00:54:26.800 seven or eight. 1061 00:54:26.639 --> 00:54:30.360 Hours to tape. I had no idea that's how we're 1062 00:54:30.400 --> 00:54:32.119 And I kept looking at my watch, going, oh my god, 1063 00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:34.519 I'm never going to make my plight back. I just 1064 00:54:34.559 --> 00:54:36.400 thought it was going to be so. 1065 00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:38.960 To make a long story short, we went back to. 1066 00:54:38.920 --> 00:54:41.159 The green room in Haralda came in and let me 1067 00:54:41.280 --> 00:54:44.159 just say this. He's not one of my favorite people 1068 00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:48.320 in the home wide world, but that man, Oh my gosh. 1069 00:54:48.760 --> 00:54:51.719 There have only been two times in my life that 1070 00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:53.599 I was in a room. 1071 00:54:53.840 --> 00:54:57.960 With someone who I could tangibly feel their energy. Now 1072 00:54:58.000 --> 00:55:01.800 I know that sounds crazy, loony, but truly, I mean 1073 00:55:02.480 --> 00:55:06.880 you could feel it. I physically feel that man's energy. 1074 00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:10.000 You could feel it. And I was like, wow, Not 1075 00:55:10.079 --> 00:55:13.079 that he's handsome, not that he's charismatic. 1076 00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:15.639 I mean, I'm sure his wife and other people think so, 1077 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.639 but I you know. And so I told him, and 1078 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:20.840 it was hard for me to be the witch that 1079 00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:24.280 I felt like being. And I said, Okay, Heraldo, I 1080 00:55:24.320 --> 00:55:26.960 don't know why you haven't talked to me, and I've 1081 00:55:26.960 --> 00:55:28.639 been here now three and a half hours. 1082 00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:31.280 We could have done a remote from Dallas and I 1083 00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:34.519 could have gotten my paper done. I wouldn't worry about 1084 00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:36.880 missing my flight. And what the heck are you doing? 1085 00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:38.920 Is it? Because I'm the only woman on. 1086 00:55:38.880 --> 00:55:42.719 The panel and he just died laughing, put his hands look. 1087 00:55:42.840 --> 00:55:45.400 On his hipsod. He goes, man, it's true about you 1088 00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:46.599 Texas women, isn't it? 1089 00:55:46.920 --> 00:55:50.519 And what does that mean? I still don't know what 1090 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:51.079 that means? 1091 00:55:51.400 --> 00:55:54.440 What does that mean? Guys? Y'all are men? You're not 1092 00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:56.800 from Texas? Tell me what does that mean? 1093 00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.000 You know what? I probably he had an experience because 1094 00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:06.119 don't forget, he had Madeline Brown on there all right, and. 1095 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:07.920 He had a couple hearing show. 1096 00:56:08.239 --> 00:56:11.000 No, not on your show, but on his talk show. 1097 00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:14.239 He did have Madeline Brown, okay, more than once. 1098 00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.679 I didn't know that. He did not know that. I 1099 00:56:16.719 --> 00:56:19.159 really didn't know that. Yeah, I didn't know because I'm 1100 00:56:19.159 --> 00:56:21.239 thank you for telling me that I'm. 1101 00:56:21.079 --> 00:56:25.760 Your crazy media guy. Remember that I'm the guy who well, 1102 00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:29.360 this is why, this is why some of them, Yeah, 1103 00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:31.320 but this is why some of those lawyers used to 1104 00:56:31.320 --> 00:56:33.960 call up and I would get handed the phone when 1105 00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:35.760 they called up some of the groups on the East 1106 00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.039 coast about how many places has this been, Uh do 1107 00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.159 you know where this came from? I knew everything about 1108 00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:46.039 you know, the films that were out, where they'd been used, 1109 00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.079 what had been used of it, all that stuff. I 1110 00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:51.239 could tell him, you know, all the The only. 1111 00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.039 Thing then, I don't know, I don't know. 1112 00:56:55.239 --> 00:56:58.559 I was working. I started in Like the funniest thing is, 1113 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.719 I started when I was in high school and I 1114 00:57:00.800 --> 00:57:03.639 was like sixteen seventeen years old when I started, you know, 1115 00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:09.320 just knocking around and calling up people just because I 1116 00:57:09.400 --> 00:57:11.480 was in certain cities and I went, oh, this person 1117 00:57:11.559 --> 00:57:14.000 lives here now, And I just went, ah, let me 1118 00:57:14.039 --> 00:57:15.519 call them up and see if they'll talk to me. 1119 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.679 And I did that, and I started that in eighty eight, 1120 00:57:18.760 --> 00:57:23.960 eighty nine, and uh, yeah, wow, that's when that's not happening. 1121 00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.400 But but why didn't I know where you were just a 1122 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:27.920 kid and you were up north. 1123 00:57:27.679 --> 00:57:31.119 And I'm down here and yeah, you know and Richardstown 1124 00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:34.239 and Richards City in Texas. 1125 00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:34.559 Wow. 1126 00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:37.320 Bill Graham, Yeah, Bill Graham. 1127 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:40.280 Helped me anyway. I'm sorry, Betty, Wait, Bill Key, I'll 1128 00:57:40.360 --> 00:57:42.039 kelly what it means. Though. 1129 00:57:42.360 --> 00:57:45.280 Guys that knew me, I mean, guys who knew me 1130 00:57:45.320 --> 00:57:48.320 pretty well are like Bill Kelly and like Walt Brown 1131 00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:50.599 and stuff like that, because they're from Jersey. 1132 00:57:50.760 --> 00:57:54.599 I love those I love them, but I love them, 1133 00:57:54.639 --> 00:57:55.280 both of them. 1134 00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:58.199 They're from New Jersey. That's how they knew me, Okay, 1135 00:57:58.199 --> 00:58:00.760 because I lived in New Jersey. All right, anyway, what 1136 00:58:00.800 --> 00:58:04.920 does that mean? Okay? So Texas Texas women? Look, everything 1137 00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:09.199 in Texas is bigger and louder, right, is that what 1138 00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.960 it means? That's what it means. Everything in Texas is bigger. 1139 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:14.119 Well, I mean I didn't know. 1140 00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:16.920 I didn't know if it was a slam or. I 1141 00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:19.360 didn't and actually I kind of blew it off. I 1142 00:58:19.960 --> 00:58:24.559 didn't even I was so mad. I obviously am I 1143 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:26.599 even here? Why am I here? 1144 00:58:26.800 --> 00:58:29.079 So you hate that feeling when you're in a place 1145 00:58:29.119 --> 00:58:30.159 and you're like, why am I here? 1146 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.880 There are other things I could be doing? And why 1147 00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:34.840 am I sitting here on this stage? 1148 00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:36.599 Why Lizzy? 1149 00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:41.639 These dumb men that I've heard nine million times say that. Seriously, 1150 00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:45.719 I was decide myself ugly. I was much more impatient 1151 00:58:45.719 --> 00:58:46.320 in those days. 1152 00:58:46.519 --> 00:58:47.360 It really really was. 1153 00:58:47.440 --> 00:58:49.280 I'll tell you that if you want to feel better. 1154 00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:52.079 Larry Hancock was supposed to be on a TV show 1155 00:58:52.159 --> 00:58:54.519 on like Pierce Morgan. I think it was not too 1156 00:58:54.599 --> 00:58:59.400 long ago. And what happened is they called him up 1157 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:01.760 and told me he had to go run and like 1158 00:59:01.920 --> 00:59:04.320 drive down the street real fast and go catch up 1159 00:59:04.360 --> 00:59:06.639 with the satellite truck so he could do a satellite 1160 00:59:06.719 --> 00:59:09.960 remote not on you know, Skype or something. He drove 1161 00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:11.960 all the way down there, he got on the thing, 1162 00:59:12.039 --> 00:59:15.000 got there in time, stuck his headset on and they 1163 00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.760 bumped him anyway. He didn't show up on the show, 1164 00:59:17.840 --> 00:59:19.079 so that boh. 1165 00:59:19.599 --> 00:59:23.360 My gosh, and I can relate to that. 1166 00:59:23.599 --> 00:59:25.960 Yeah, So you know what, I'm just letting you know 1167 00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:28.199 that a guy who's written, you know, in more books 1168 00:59:28.199 --> 00:59:29.519 than you, okay. 1169 00:59:30.000 --> 00:59:35.239 Who was intelligent, is probably after Chris Kelly. I'm sorry, guys, 1170 00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:40.119 Chris Kelly knew more about the JFK assassination than. 1171 00:59:40.119 --> 00:59:43.840 Any person on this planet in the JFK world. 1172 00:59:43.639 --> 00:59:46.519 Because I've talked to most of them, and Chris Kelly 1173 00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.760 was the man. I am telling you, I have never 1174 00:59:50.960 --> 00:59:56.119 in my life met a walking encyclopedia with a file cabinet. 1175 00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.519 Mareen organized better than Martha Stewart could ever. 1176 01:00:00.480 --> 01:00:04.920 Think about being. I mean, I I love that man. 1177 01:00:05.320 --> 01:00:09.880 I miss him, so I loved that man. And you 1178 01:00:09.920 --> 01:00:11.440 know what Jones. 1179 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:14.840 Harris okay, kind of a hard guy to get along. 1180 01:00:14.559 --> 01:00:16.920 With, kind of real hard guy. 1181 01:00:16.800 --> 01:00:20.599 Because you know, I remember when when I said my 1182 01:00:20.760 --> 01:00:24.719 lawyer to his oh god, I'm gonna get in trouble 1183 01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:24.960 for this. 1184 01:00:25.079 --> 01:00:27.480 I just know I am. I send my lawyers to 1185 01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:32.960 his house because he had a two by three blow up. 1186 01:00:33.519 --> 01:00:36.599 That what was that guy who's name but the good 1187 01:00:36.639 --> 01:00:41.880 photographer Mark Lane had Emili das Antonio, Emil Day sant 1188 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:45.079 I came to say it, right, and Bernie Hoffin. 1189 01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:48.199 That's who it was. Am I right? Guys? Is that right? 1190 01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:52.400 Bernie Hawton, photographer the Yeah. 1191 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.320 Anyway, they he knew Dick Buildings. 1192 01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:57.320 They were very close friends. 1193 01:00:57.920 --> 01:01:02.079 So when he wanted to know what was going on 1194 01:01:02.119 --> 01:01:03.639 with the next film, he was one of the first 1195 01:01:03.679 --> 01:01:05.000 ones in sixty four. 1196 01:01:05.360 --> 01:01:09.639 Actually they let him see it. But I mean, come on, 1197 01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.000 he was Ruth Gordon's son. 1198 01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:13.360 You know what I mean. I mean he was married 1199 01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.039 to Vanderbilt. Yeah, you know what I'm trying to say. 1200 01:01:16.039 --> 01:01:19.880 Here, got you? No, yeah, I got you? All right? 1201 01:01:20.000 --> 01:01:22.880 So I send Jacob to go look at it because 1202 01:01:23.159 --> 01:01:25.760 I had sent Bill Simpitch and Bill got to see it. 1203 01:01:26.119 --> 01:01:28.519 I had sent James wagon board and he got see it. 1204 01:01:28.519 --> 01:01:31.400 I couldn't afford to fly to New York to go 1205 01:01:31.440 --> 01:01:32.480 do this. I couldn't. 1206 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:34.960 I had kids, late one, you know, I told you 1207 01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:36.559 late life. 1208 01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:40.119 I couldn't do it. So I I had sent Bill 1209 01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:43.320 and who gladly went and they. 1210 01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:46.480 Both saw it, and I kept I kept saying, man, 1211 01:01:46.679 --> 01:01:48.280 y'all need to go up there and take your cell 1212 01:01:48.320 --> 01:01:50.000 phone and let me at least see it. 1213 01:01:50.079 --> 01:01:52.599 I've never but it's from the original. 1214 01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.159 Is when I'm trying to get to and when Jones died, 1215 01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.119 you know, I he just died. 1216 01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:01.280 Recently, which is another said a lot of. 1217 01:02:01.159 --> 01:02:01.920 My friends have died. 1218 01:02:01.920 --> 01:02:04.559 And I asked my husband, I said, okay, is it 1219 01:02:04.599 --> 01:02:05.280 that people that. 1220 01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.559 I just adore? Did they just kick it because they 1221 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:08.880 know me? 1222 01:02:09.159 --> 01:02:11.639 I sound like Ben Jones. 1223 01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:14.480 Don't I That's what I sound like. N Jones scared 1224 01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.639 the crap out of my My grandmother horrible. Quit talking 1225 01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:18.039 about it. 1226 01:02:18.280 --> 01:02:21.400 Ben Jones keeps saying everybody's dying for and I don't 1227 01:02:21.400 --> 01:02:24.599 want you to die, and that is the rumor. 1228 01:02:24.320 --> 01:02:27.000 And they all and I don't know if there's any 1229 01:02:27.039 --> 01:02:29.039 truth to it. I mean, I think it was coincidental, 1230 01:02:29.159 --> 01:02:33.119 but then again, there's always coincidences may. 1231 01:02:33.000 --> 01:02:35.440 Not really be the real thing. Okay, back to what 1232 01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.239 I was saying. I asked Cairaldo why he had done it, 1233 01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:39.760 to make. 1234 01:02:39.639 --> 01:02:40.800 A long, long story short. 1235 01:02:40.800 --> 01:02:43.400 He said that and then wrote me he had just 1236 01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:49.360 written his book, Exposing Myself, a book, and he asked 1237 01:02:49.360 --> 01:02:50.639 me if I had a copy of it, and I 1238 01:02:50.679 --> 01:02:54.440 said no, and I felt so bad. I felt, oh god, 1239 01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.159 it was so rude, and I thought I could have lied. 1240 01:02:57.599 --> 01:02:58.800 I could have said, oh yeah, I loved it in 1241 01:02:58.920 --> 01:02:59.800 my hotel. 1242 01:02:59.440 --> 01:03:01.800 Room or oh yeah, but I didn't, and that was 1243 01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:03.440 rude and I feel badly. 1244 01:03:03.480 --> 01:03:06.760 But anyway, he wrote this ninth, long. 1245 01:03:06.800 --> 01:03:10.320 Little thing about the JFK assassination and how important it 1246 01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:12.679 was to find the next film and YadA YadA, YadA 1247 01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.960 YadA and all that stuff. But later, when I first 1248 01:03:17.039 --> 01:03:21.199 filed a first lawsuit in twenty fifteen against the government, 1249 01:03:21.760 --> 01:03:23.360 I called him and. 1250 01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.039 I said, Okay, do you remember I was on your show? 1251 01:03:26.760 --> 01:03:31.239 And are you still doing JFK things down on anymore? No? Anymore? 1252 01:03:31.239 --> 01:03:32.599 And so now I'm going to tell you the Robert 1253 01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.280 Grossen story that I didn't want to tell you, but 1254 01:03:35.400 --> 01:03:39.039 you know, maybe I shouldn't. Maybe I shouldn't. Yeah, maybe 1255 01:03:39.079 --> 01:03:39.760 I shouldn't do it. 1256 01:03:39.760 --> 01:03:44.280 I won't do it. All of the dudes make everybody man. Anyway, Jacob, 1257 01:03:44.519 --> 01:03:48.119 my lawyer, went to Jones's apartment on Fifth. 1258 01:03:47.920 --> 01:03:52.440 Avenue and knocked on the door. And I guess, And 1259 01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.760 you have to remember, Jones was quite older. 1260 01:03:55.119 --> 01:03:56.840 I mean, he was in his nineties, you know. 1261 01:03:56.920 --> 01:03:59.719 And I loved him because he was always so kind 1262 01:03:59.719 --> 01:04:02.599 to me. But and he was always so sweet, and 1263 01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:06.079 he was always very supportive, and he was always looking 1264 01:04:06.119 --> 01:04:06.639 out for me. 1265 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:08.639 I loved him, I really did. 1266 01:04:09.159 --> 01:04:09.960 And maybe I was. 1267 01:04:10.400 --> 01:04:12.920 Maybe it's because he did all that, maybe just that 1268 01:04:13.039 --> 01:04:15.920 I knew he was sincere and for. 1269 01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:18.280 Me, I'm just a weirdo. 1270 01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:21.519 I've got to have the sincerity. I've got to have 1271 01:04:21.599 --> 01:04:22.480 the integrity. 1272 01:04:22.960 --> 01:04:24.639 I don't want to be played. 1273 01:04:24.320 --> 01:04:29.119 Because sometimes I get mistaken and think the integrity and 1274 01:04:29.320 --> 01:04:33.239 think the supportiveness is all heartfelt when it's not, you know, 1275 01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.559 and I get played and I feel. 1276 01:04:35.320 --> 01:04:35.960 Like an idiot. 1277 01:04:36.039 --> 01:04:38.480 And I that was a little bit of the story 1278 01:04:38.519 --> 01:04:40.239 I was going to say about other people that I'm 1279 01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:42.840 not talking about, but I think you get the drift. 1280 01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:47.480 Anyway, Jacob came to the door and Jones immediately he 1281 01:04:47.559 --> 01:04:48.480 saw who was Jay. 1282 01:04:48.840 --> 01:04:50.440 He said, I'm you. 1283 01:04:50.400 --> 01:04:53.199 Know, I'm here for Gail, and YadA YadA yuay and 1284 01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:55.519 Jones got on the phone and I'm sorry, this is 1285 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:56.280 going to sound. 1286 01:04:56.199 --> 01:04:59.800 Very offensive, and I hope my daughter is not listening 1287 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:01.119 to this show because she will. 1288 01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.440 Yell at me. He called me up and he goes, Gail, 1289 01:05:05.199 --> 01:05:10.320 why did you send this kike to my house? I went, oh, 1290 01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:12.599 my god. 1291 01:05:12.079 --> 01:05:14.519 Jones, you are half Jewish? 1292 01:05:14.719 --> 01:05:18.480 How can you do that? How how can you do 1293 01:05:18.559 --> 01:05:20.320 that and say those things? 1294 01:05:20.559 --> 01:05:22.599 Well, the truth is the truth, And I said, no, 1295 01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.760 the truth is the truth is that you're opinionated. 1296 01:05:26.079 --> 01:05:29.239 And you have no decorum. I mean, how could you 1297 01:05:29.280 --> 01:05:32.960 do that? He's there helping me. You won't send me 1298 01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.079 the pictures of what am I supposed to do? You 1299 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.039 know what I mean? I mean, how am I going 1300 01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:40.960 to believe what you see in there? If I can't 1301 01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:45.920 see it myself? How? I am so sick of seeing warsheck. 1302 01:05:45.480 --> 01:05:48.400 Tests of what people see in the Knicks film. 1303 01:05:48.199 --> 01:05:53.760 That isn't there that Jones had something tangible. In fact, 1304 01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:56.280 he had what I tech. 1305 01:05:56.440 --> 01:06:00.599 Studied in sixty four And. 1306 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:04.679 All of this is going to come out in much 1307 01:06:04.719 --> 01:06:08.760 more detail and much more chain of evidence as. 1308 01:06:08.559 --> 01:06:10.239 To the different. 1309 01:06:09.920 --> 01:06:14.519 Agencies that use that. We're studying my grandfather's film, and 1310 01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:17.719 I can't talk about it. And this is what I've 1311 01:06:17.719 --> 01:06:19.320 been holding for five years. 1312 01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:22.280 I can't. I can't, So I may not be able 1313 01:06:22.320 --> 01:06:25.400 to if we don't get discovery in the big case. 1314 01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:27.360 You know what I mean, because you know what I've 1315 01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.719 always Oh my god, what I've always wanted to know 1316 01:06:30.119 --> 01:06:34.000 is exactly what happened regarding how they made the print 1317 01:06:34.239 --> 01:06:38.239 in the warrant commissioned volumes to begin with, right, right, 1318 01:06:38.440 --> 01:06:42.480 because there is a bit of a problem with whose 1319 01:06:42.519 --> 01:06:45.679 copy that was that was mad for it? 1320 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:50.880 Right now, it's right, it's right, it's right. And you're speculating, 1321 01:06:50.960 --> 01:06:53.599 And please say, I never told you this. 1322 01:06:53.800 --> 01:06:56.719 I did not say it. No, this is will you. 1323 01:06:57.119 --> 01:07:00.559 This is my own personal speculation based on the fact 1324 01:07:00.599 --> 01:07:03.719 that I've looked at that several times. It's in volume eighteen. 1325 01:07:04.760 --> 01:07:07.960 And you know what, Wow, there is good for you. 1326 01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.239 There's a whole lot of it. Uh. And and here's 1327 01:07:11.280 --> 01:07:15.480 the thing, though, we don't know what the source was there, okay, 1328 01:07:16.280 --> 01:07:20.840 and that could be discoverable and nobody's ever answered that 1329 01:07:20.920 --> 01:07:23.159 for me. I mean, I've been given a BS answer 1330 01:07:23.199 --> 01:07:23.800 from somebody. 1331 01:07:23.920 --> 01:07:26.880 I can't answer it for you, and you can't. You 1332 01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:28.280 don't answer it for it. 1333 01:07:29.840 --> 01:07:31.920 But that's that's what I'm getting at here. And you 1334 01:07:31.960 --> 01:07:34.039 know what that would tell us a lot? 1335 01:07:35.079 --> 01:07:38.079 Just say it sure would wouldn't it, wouldn't it? You 1336 01:07:38.280 --> 01:07:42.320 wouldn't it? And listen, Chuck, I'm not gonna be I'm. 1337 01:07:42.159 --> 01:07:44.920 Not gonna be one of those people saying I know 1338 01:07:45.039 --> 01:07:48.679 one hundred percent BS. I've never even freaking seen the 1339 01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.079 original I never, But I'll. 1340 01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.840 Tell you this. If it shows there's somebody up there, 1341 01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:57.800 everybody needs to know. Every the world needs to know, 1342 01:07:57.920 --> 01:08:00.800 not just me, but you know what else if they 1343 01:08:00.920 --> 01:08:03.840 if it doesn't, if there's nothing up there, everybody in 1344 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:06.719 the world needs to know that too. I mean, how 1345 01:08:06.840 --> 01:08:07.599 else are. 1346 01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:12.559 We going to get to the summary, factual summary of 1347 01:08:12.599 --> 01:08:14.719 what happened that day unless we do this? 1348 01:08:15.400 --> 01:08:16.920 How right? 1349 01:08:17.039 --> 01:08:17.640 See what I mean? 1350 01:08:17.760 --> 01:08:20.239 And here's the sad thing is that because of the 1351 01:08:20.279 --> 01:08:23.600 reproductions on the next film, there is a whole lot 1352 01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:29.880 of dark areas that would not be dark in the original, right, So. 1353 01:08:30.239 --> 01:08:33.119 And you know why, Yeah, and Roland Savada told me this. 1354 01:08:33.479 --> 01:08:36.720 You know why the Kodec guy that was at Helth 1355 01:08:36.800 --> 01:08:41.439 Select Committee and the ar RB Roland, Nevada. Okay, you 1356 01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.119 know what he teld me? Oh God, I love that 1357 01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:48.319 man too. He's a gale. The question that you I 1358 01:08:48.359 --> 01:08:51.000 have never seen anywhere, and I even even heard you 1359 01:08:51.039 --> 01:08:53.479 ask it. I've heard you talk about it in. 1360 01:08:53.439 --> 01:08:56.640 A different way that your your grandfather. 1361 01:08:56.279 --> 01:08:58.760 Was using indoor film. Do you know what that means? 1362 01:08:58.960 --> 01:08:59.399 As well? 1363 01:09:00.119 --> 01:09:01.920 That Warren commissioned in the house like. 1364 01:09:02.079 --> 01:09:05.079 VIDI would make you think it was a peace crap film. 1365 01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.159 Because he used the wrong You know, he should have used. 1366 01:09:08.000 --> 01:09:11.560 The outdoor film. Not true, you know that's right. 1367 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:15.439 And he said, Gail, no, on an indoor film, it 1368 01:09:15.560 --> 01:09:16.640 lets in more light. 1369 01:09:16.720 --> 01:09:19.560 And I know you don't know the terminology about. 1370 01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:23.880 You know, all the camera photography stuff that that film, if. 1371 01:09:23.720 --> 01:09:26.720 Anything, should have been so light you couldn't see anything. 1372 01:09:26.880 --> 01:09:27.640 That's what he said. 1373 01:09:27.840 --> 01:09:32.239 That's the point. See, that's the point. Look, because the 1374 01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:35.039 only reason why I think of these things this way, Gail, 1375 01:09:35.199 --> 01:09:39.600 is because I have a visual problem, which is based 1376 01:09:39.640 --> 01:09:43.199 on what we call albinism. Okay, I have ocular albinism. 1377 01:09:43.439 --> 01:09:46.359 You know what that means. But I mean, my eyes 1378 01:09:46.800 --> 01:09:49.199 do not protect me from the light like my eyes 1379 01:09:49.239 --> 01:09:50.680 don't protect themselves from the light. 1380 01:09:50.880 --> 01:09:55.760 No, I like kryptonite. Light is r kryptonite. These are 1381 01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:58.960 a superman, so that's your kryptonite. 1382 01:09:59.039 --> 01:10:02.079 I'm highly seeing to light. That's why they used to 1383 01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.279 use me for these photographic things, not because I had 1384 01:10:05.319 --> 01:10:08.760 great vision, but because I had highlight sensitivity so I 1385 01:10:08.800 --> 01:10:09.640 could see Connors. 1386 01:10:10.039 --> 01:10:12.760 My god, yes, why And this is a big part 1387 01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:16.159 of your story. And that's a movie right there, buddy, Well. 1388 01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.479 That's a freaking superhero movie that you've got going there 1389 01:10:19.479 --> 01:10:20.119 that you're living. 1390 01:10:20.399 --> 01:10:23.359 Maybe I'm not kidding, maybe it is. But what's interesting 1391 01:10:23.479 --> 01:10:26.680 is if they can get me one of these films. 1392 01:10:26.720 --> 01:10:29.600 I'm telling you, if they can get me one of 1393 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:34.880 these films, you know, we could discover a whole lot 1394 01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:40.199 of interesting facts. Okay, uh, just just by having the 1395 01:10:40.239 --> 01:10:43.680 clearer pictures. I'm just telling you. It's just I'm not 1396 01:10:43.680 --> 01:10:47.479 telling you, Gail. I'm telling you no, No, I don't know. 1397 01:10:47.840 --> 01:10:50.600 This is what I have been all. Oh my gosh, 1398 01:10:50.760 --> 01:10:54.760 I've always known this, and not because they're you're the reason. 1399 01:10:54.800 --> 01:10:57.960 You know, yours is much more scholastic than mine. 1400 01:10:58.640 --> 01:11:00.920 This is gonna sound crazy, and what the hell, Let 1401 01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:04.560 me just go ahead and sound crazy. I've always known 1402 01:11:04.680 --> 01:11:09.000 it inside me, Chuck, I have I VP tell me 1403 01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:13.119 I'm crazy. Say it, say it, you're crazy. He's not 1404 01:11:13.159 --> 01:11:17.960 saying it. Say thank you, thank you. 1405 01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.960 Say I seriously have always felt it. And I don't 1406 01:11:22.000 --> 01:11:26.199 know if it was the relationship with my grandfather. I 1407 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.520 mean we were he was my first Hebrew, not. 1408 01:11:29.640 --> 01:11:32.359 My dad in that terrible in that terrible I'm saying it. 1409 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:36.159 I'm saying it. It was my grandfather. I spent a 1410 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:38.119 lot of time with him, a lot. 1411 01:11:38.560 --> 01:11:41.439 And you have to remember my mom and dad had 1412 01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:43.520 me kind of like you said, your mom was sixteen, 1413 01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:45.600 My mom was nineteen and my. 1414 01:11:45.600 --> 01:11:47.840 Dad was eighteen. There you go. 1415 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:52.840 So I those are kids, man, look at your kids 1416 01:11:52.960 --> 01:11:56.560 and think about it. Look at your kids and put 1417 01:11:56.560 --> 01:11:57.479 it into perspective. 1418 01:11:57.720 --> 01:11:58.319 You know what I mean. 1419 01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:01.079 Well, I got I got one that's only just ten 1420 01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:02.520 years old now, so. 1421 01:12:02.840 --> 01:12:07.359 You know, well put it into perspective. Though when it happened, 1422 01:12:07.600 --> 01:12:08.119 I mean. 1423 01:12:08.479 --> 01:12:11.119 But that was the times daring it well anyway, I 1424 01:12:11.199 --> 01:12:14.119 was just really I've always known that God. 1425 01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:15.159 Put him there for a reason. 1426 01:12:15.199 --> 01:12:18.279 Okay, I'm not trying to find those of you who 1427 01:12:18.319 --> 01:12:19.359 don't believe in God. 1428 01:12:19.399 --> 01:12:19.920 I'm really not. 1429 01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.920 I do, And so I'm just stating my American way 1430 01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:26.479 of getting to speak freely while I can. 1431 01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:28.640 That's what I'm doing. 1432 01:12:28.960 --> 01:12:32.960 And I'm really hoping this all happens before all that goes. 1433 01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.520 Way too, you know what i mean. I'm very scared 1434 01:12:35.520 --> 01:12:36.720 and nervous about all of it. 1435 01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.239 So I don't know who the powers that you are. 1436 01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:43.920 I never thought I would ever say that in my 1437 01:12:44.079 --> 01:12:48.119 whole entire life, because in my adult life, looking. 1438 01:12:47.840 --> 01:12:51.560 For the next film, my question was always Okay, is 1439 01:12:51.600 --> 01:12:55.920 the government this is nefarious? Or is the government this announced? 1440 01:12:56.399 --> 01:12:59.479 I couldn't ever I mean, one's just as bad as 1441 01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:00.760 the other, or is it? 1442 01:13:01.520 --> 01:13:04.239 I mean, it's a good debate. It's a very good 1443 01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:06.800 debate subject to what's worth. 1444 01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:12.039 Worth being Do it on purpose, you know what I mean. 1445 01:13:12.359 --> 01:13:14.319 And it does not win you a lot of friends 1446 01:13:14.880 --> 01:13:15.800 when you go with the. 1447 01:13:16.520 --> 01:13:20.680 It doesn't because you know what, people. 1448 01:13:20.359 --> 01:13:22.920 Want to make your lawyers really mad at you, you 1449 01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:23.439 know what I mean. 1450 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.319 It makes your lawyers say, shut up, Gil, shut up. 1451 01:13:27.399 --> 01:13:29.079 See I mean? 1452 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.800 And uh, well, I mean so maybe that's why people 1453 01:13:33.880 --> 01:13:35.000 think I'm such a liberal. 1454 01:13:35.079 --> 01:13:37.680 And people think because they do believe in free speech. 1455 01:13:38.079 --> 01:13:41.039 I do, and you know what, people didn't have their 1456 01:13:41.079 --> 01:13:43.920 freaking guns. I don't have one, but by God, be 1457 01:13:44.039 --> 01:13:49.680 responsible with them, for heaven freaking sake, you know. And please, 1458 01:13:50.119 --> 01:13:53.359 can we not normalize bad? 1459 01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.319 Can we please stop doing that? Please? Please? Please? 1460 01:13:57.760 --> 01:14:01.439 I mean we've been doing it since before sixty When 1461 01:14:01.640 --> 01:14:02.560 are we going to end it? 1462 01:14:02.720 --> 01:14:05.079 When? When? When are we going to end it? 1463 01:14:05.319 --> 01:14:08.880 When I'm with you, maybe holding people accountable for what 1464 01:14:08.920 --> 01:14:11.000 they do. 1465 01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.760 We have to you have to do it. I have 1466 01:14:13.880 --> 01:14:18.199 to do it. VP. Why is there a cast system here? 1467 01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:23.640 I mean, why it's America. For Heaven's sake, people leave 1468 01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:26.319 cast systems, leave places where they. 1469 01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.359 Don't have freedom to be an American. But everybody says, 1470 01:14:30.399 --> 01:14:31.880 now it's all because of money. 1471 01:14:32.039 --> 01:14:34.359 It'sought. Well, maybe it is, Maybe it is. 1472 01:14:34.600 --> 01:14:39.520 Maybe it's because we have put money as the most 1473 01:14:39.560 --> 01:14:43.760 important sign of success than science. 1474 01:14:44.640 --> 01:14:50.760 History. And listen, if you if if you are not 1475 01:14:50.920 --> 01:14:54.800 a reader, people, if you're whoever, listen to me. Read 1476 01:14:54.920 --> 01:15:00.279 The Little Prince please God, read Machiavelli. Please, and then 1477 01:15:01.119 --> 01:15:02.439 look and see if you. 1478 01:15:02.479 --> 01:15:06.439 See any think for yourself is what I'm trying to say. 1479 01:15:06.680 --> 01:15:08.319 That's all I'm trying to say. 1480 01:15:08.640 --> 01:15:12.039 Don't listen to whatever bad's telling you do it yourself, 1481 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:16.439 and I will happily give you suggestions as to what 1482 01:15:16.479 --> 01:15:19.359 will get you for both ways. But how I see 1483 01:15:19.399 --> 01:15:23.159 it is Machiavelli and it scares the. 1484 01:15:22.640 --> 01:15:25.479 Heck out of me. And I'm not saying this is administration. 1485 01:15:25.600 --> 01:15:26.560 That's not what I'm saying. 1486 01:15:27.039 --> 01:15:30.079 I am saying over all these years and dealing with 1487 01:15:30.159 --> 01:15:33.439 it and watching it, Oh my god. 1488 01:15:33.319 --> 01:15:34.800 It doesn't matter what party you are. 1489 01:15:35.119 --> 01:15:40.600 That does not matter. It does not matter, it doesn't. 1490 01:15:41.399 --> 01:15:44.840 It just depends I guess on who's in power at 1491 01:15:44.880 --> 01:15:47.920 what time and how much damage each of them will 1492 01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:49.039 do because. 1493 01:15:48.720 --> 01:15:49.720 They both do it. 1494 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.359 Quld acting like one side is better than the other 1495 01:15:53.439 --> 01:15:54.079 because they're not. 1496 01:15:54.760 --> 01:15:58.119 They are they are not. See. I don't like liars. 1497 01:15:58.279 --> 01:15:59.439 I don't. 1498 01:15:59.479 --> 01:16:04.880 I mean why I wonder wonder why I. 1499 01:16:04.000 --> 01:16:07.279 Have been finagled. I have been bamboozled. 1500 01:16:07.920 --> 01:16:10.319 And so everybody's like, Okill, you're so smart. Oh really, 1501 01:16:10.760 --> 01:16:13.720 I have been all these things. If I'm smart, it's 1502 01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:17.920 not because I'm bring smarter or educcasion smart. 1503 01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:19.640 It's because I've had. 1504 01:16:19.479 --> 01:16:23.239 To experience the damn stuff, you know, And God help 1505 01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:25.760 the people like I'm. 1506 01:16:25.600 --> 01:16:26.880 Just gonna say it. 1507 01:16:27.479 --> 01:16:32.720 The people like Marina, the people like Buel Frasier, the 1508 01:16:32.760 --> 01:16:37.159 people like Lee Harvey, Oslovell, Pat Hall's mom j C. 1509 01:16:37.399 --> 01:16:40.119 Price up on top of the General Services Building. 1510 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:42.800 I don't know if Toash Plumbley I think he was. 1511 01:16:42.960 --> 01:16:46.199 I don't know. I know Beverly wasn't. But I do 1512 01:16:46.359 --> 01:16:50.680 know that todsh Plumley, I do believe because he knows 1513 01:16:50.680 --> 01:16:51.159 too much. 1514 01:16:51.560 --> 01:16:54.079 And I've checked out some of it now. Some of 1515 01:16:54.119 --> 01:16:56.840 it has been true, some of it hasn't. I mean, 1516 01:16:57.319 --> 01:16:59.920 so I guess that would be jus very bigger too. 1517 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.199 I guess I don't know. Yeah, I can't go for 1518 01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:05.520 the ones. Well, you know what I'm trying to say. 1519 01:17:05.680 --> 01:17:09.479 I talk to her too. I talked to her too, 1520 01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:14.039 So I don't know. All I can say is with me, 1521 01:17:14.760 --> 01:17:17.720 you get what you're listening to, and who you know, 1522 01:17:18.039 --> 01:17:18.760 that's what you get. 1523 01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:23.840 There's not any other hidden agenda that than to find 1524 01:17:24.079 --> 01:17:25.199 my grandfather's film. 1525 01:17:25.520 --> 01:17:29.720 And who would have thought that it would be this difficult? Yeah, 1526 01:17:29.760 --> 01:17:32.520 I think that's when everybody's sick and board of it. 1527 01:17:32.760 --> 01:17:35.279 I do well, I don't do. No, I don't think 1528 01:17:35.319 --> 01:17:37.479 anybody's sick and board of it. But the thing is 1529 01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:40.520 everybody throws up their hands after a while and says, look, 1530 01:17:40.600 --> 01:17:43.880 you know what, this is sixty years ago, and you're 1531 01:17:43.960 --> 01:17:46.720 expecting to find an artifact from sixty years ago. 1532 01:17:46.840 --> 01:17:49.239 I can't find you know, how crazy are you? 1533 01:17:49.640 --> 01:17:53.800 I can't buy stuff from so many days leading, you know? 1534 01:17:54.840 --> 01:17:57.239 But so you know, one of my lawyers asked me 1535 01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:58.279 that Chucky. 1536 01:17:58.479 --> 01:18:02.239 One of my lawyers asked me, what's that, Kale? Why 1537 01:18:02.359 --> 01:18:03.680 would anyone. 1538 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:07.399 Spend this much time looking for that film? 1539 01:18:07.399 --> 01:18:07.680 Why? 1540 01:18:08.319 --> 01:18:10.920 And I said, because I know that my grandfather was 1541 01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:13.720 there for a reason, and I know that it's been 1542 01:18:13.800 --> 01:18:15.520 hidden from me for many years. 1543 01:18:15.399 --> 01:18:18.600 For a reason, and I want to know what it is. 1544 01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.560 And I think the world needs to know too. And 1545 01:18:21.600 --> 01:18:24.640 that's how I looked at it. Is it stupid? Does 1546 01:18:24.640 --> 01:18:26.800 that make me crazy? What does that make me? I 1547 01:18:26.840 --> 01:18:31.000 don't know. But that's what I did, and it makes 1548 01:18:31.000 --> 01:18:31.840 you really higher. 1549 01:18:32.119 --> 01:18:35.439 I'm telling the powers that be this because they all 1550 01:18:35.479 --> 01:18:38.600 look at me like I've got crabs crawling out of my. 1551 01:18:38.600 --> 01:18:41.960 Nose, you know what I mean? I hate it. 1552 01:18:42.600 --> 01:18:47.439 I hate it, and I'm not neurotic that way. 1553 01:18:47.560 --> 01:18:48.640 I don't give a damn. 1554 01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:51.479 I think I'm pretty self confident in myself, but I 1555 01:18:52.760 --> 01:18:53.239 hate that. 1556 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:56.359 I hate people look at me like I've lost my mind. 1557 01:18:57.119 --> 01:19:00.960 But I guess to people who haven't done and the 1558 01:19:01.000 --> 01:19:04.720 things I have done and seen what I have seen, 1559 01:19:05.199 --> 01:19:08.159 you know what I mean. I guess it does look crazy. 1560 01:19:08.439 --> 01:19:11.000 I guess it does right, maybe. 1561 01:19:10.840 --> 01:19:14.399 Maybe to some people. But look, don't worry about that. 1562 01:19:14.880 --> 01:19:16.760 At the end of the day. I really wish that 1563 01:19:17.279 --> 01:19:19.840 we could all here. Here's where I get myself in trouble. 1564 01:19:20.079 --> 01:19:22.680 I wish we could all you know, understand that we 1565 01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:25.640 get a lot of pilarity, a lot more in common 1566 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.119 with each other than we have to fight with one 1567 01:19:28.119 --> 01:19:28.760 of the other over. 1568 01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:30.680 And that's right. 1569 01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:32.880 And believe me, I'm sick of you just. 1570 01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:36.760 Get taken off track. Yeah, we get taken off track, Chuck. 1571 01:19:38.279 --> 01:19:42.359 We forget what we're about, We forget our self awareness. 1572 01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:47.479 We we forget what's important, and we we put it 1573 01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:52.479 up to sex or money, or power, or fame or 1574 01:19:53.159 --> 01:19:55.439 or notoriety or I don't know. 1575 01:19:56.199 --> 01:19:58.359 And since when are those things so important? 1576 01:19:58.520 --> 01:20:03.359 Since win? I mean, what's really important? Is it those things? 1577 01:20:03.760 --> 01:20:07.039 I don't think so. I think truth is the biggest 1578 01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:10.279 in it. I do, I mean, And how do you 1579 01:20:10.319 --> 01:20:10.920 have love. 1580 01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:11.760 If you don't have truth. 1581 01:20:12.479 --> 01:20:13.199 How do you have it? 1582 01:20:13.760 --> 01:20:14.560 That's a good question. 1583 01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:19.600 Yes, well, I mean fine, that's how I look at 1584 01:20:19.600 --> 01:20:22.800 the world. I know that made me crazy. Ooh, it's 1585 01:20:22.800 --> 01:20:26.279 that song that's like Noral's Berkley's song. You need to 1586 01:20:26.279 --> 01:20:28.920 play it sometimes, Chuck. Do you play music on your show? 1587 01:20:29.119 --> 01:20:30.800 Do you in the commercials? 1588 01:20:30.880 --> 01:20:32.880 I don't need to play that way, you know what. 1589 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:35.600 I can play music anytime I want, but during a seven. 1590 01:20:35.640 --> 01:20:37.439 I can't do it during a podcast because then they 1591 01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:41.079 hit me for you know, copyright infringement. But but on 1592 01:20:41.119 --> 01:20:42.039 my broadcast, I. 1593 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:43.960 Guess even if you give them, even if you give 1594 01:20:44.000 --> 01:20:46.560 them credit, it's not fair use for the first ten 1595 01:20:46.640 --> 01:20:48.359 seconds or so, not anymore. 1596 01:20:48.479 --> 01:20:50.000 That's what they used to tell me. Yeah. 1597 01:20:50.119 --> 01:20:56.399 Now the algorithms, the algorithms nail you. It's it's amazing. Yeah, 1598 01:20:56.520 --> 01:20:58.000 they nail you fast. 1599 01:20:58.079 --> 01:21:01.119 Now is algorithms is algorithms? 1600 01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:04.960 I know it's a formula. But is it an AI? 1601 01:21:05.079 --> 01:21:06.199 Are they cousins? 1602 01:21:06.600 --> 01:21:09.439 Well yeah, because they feed the algorithm to the AI 1603 01:21:09.560 --> 01:21:11.800 and the AI just picks it up, so nobody problems 1604 01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:13.039 to actually do it anymore. 1605 01:21:13.520 --> 01:21:14.600 You know what I thought? 1606 01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.760 Okay, yeah, but that's what goes on. So now you 1607 01:21:18.079 --> 01:21:21.640 submit you know, a podcasts. Sure, it can generate a 1608 01:21:21.720 --> 01:21:25.520 transcript for you automatically. But also that's because the AI 1609 01:21:25.640 --> 01:21:29.600 is reading every word that's coming out. And yeah, that's 1610 01:21:29.600 --> 01:21:31.600 how they're censoring and decisiy trying. 1611 01:21:31.399 --> 01:21:35.079 To get rid of literature and art and original thinking. 1612 01:21:35.199 --> 01:21:37.640 Is that what we're trying to do now? I mean, 1613 01:21:37.720 --> 01:21:40.800 is it? Well? Why do we need that? I mean, 1614 01:21:41.119 --> 01:21:42.359 is that what we're trying to do? 1615 01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.800 Well? You know how it is? You know how it is. 1616 01:21:46.319 --> 01:21:49.399 It's every time a technology comes in, every time a 1617 01:21:49.439 --> 01:21:54.199 force multiplier becomes you know, becomes the primary focus, all 1618 01:21:54.239 --> 01:21:57.239 of a sudden, people stop doing the work right. So 1619 01:21:57.760 --> 01:22:00.439 you know, you get automation. It's the way, it's the 1620 01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:01.680 way of things. What are you gonna do? 1621 01:22:03.399 --> 01:22:08.119 But anyway, it's getting a longe like me, am, I 1622 01:22:08.119 --> 01:22:08.600 gonna get. 1623 01:22:08.479 --> 01:22:11.359 In trouble for causing on there, I talk about God 1624 01:22:11.479 --> 01:22:12.800 and then it curse like a sailor. 1625 01:22:12.840 --> 01:22:14.279 What the heck is the marror with me? 1626 01:22:15.560 --> 01:22:16.199 I can do it. 1627 01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:17.199 I know, I do it. 1628 01:22:17.479 --> 01:22:20.079 I can do all that on here. But look, Dale, 1629 01:22:20.239 --> 01:22:22.560 I appreciate it. You spend a whole long time with 1630 01:22:22.640 --> 01:22:25.239 us here going through all this, and I really appreciate it. 1631 01:22:25.720 --> 01:22:28.359 But oh, man, I talked too long again. 1632 01:22:28.399 --> 01:22:31.079 Why didn't you shut me up sooner? Be Bete, that's 1633 01:22:31.119 --> 01:22:31.680 your fault. 1634 01:22:31.800 --> 01:22:34.199 No, I'm blaming you. You told me you would never 1635 01:22:34.279 --> 01:22:39.920 let me do that again. You told me. I'm blaming you. 1636 01:22:39.840 --> 01:22:41.319 Be Pete, You're getting blamed here. 1637 01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:43.800 No, I can blame for everything. 1638 01:22:44.640 --> 01:22:46.479 See that that right there. 1639 01:22:46.359 --> 01:22:48.640 Here, we're not married. That right, not married. 1640 01:22:48.720 --> 01:22:50.800 You don't care, no, no, no, but that that is 1641 01:22:50.840 --> 01:22:52.760 not the voice of a man who's not married to you. 1642 01:22:52.800 --> 01:22:54.840 That is the voice of a man who's been divorced. 1643 01:22:55.279 --> 01:22:58.520 And what we do is, after a while, we just go, yeah, okay, 1644 01:23:01.319 --> 01:23:05.359 we surrender because we know we're gonna lose anyway. It's like, 1645 01:23:05.560 --> 01:23:07.399 it's not a matter of how much you know. It's 1646 01:23:07.439 --> 01:23:08.840 not a matter of are you gonna win or lose. 1647 01:23:08.840 --> 01:23:10.640 It's a matter of how much you're gonna lose. That's it. 1648 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.520 So you give up and you don't Yep, you're right, 1649 01:23:14.000 --> 01:23:15.159 that's it. That's right. 1650 01:23:16.399 --> 01:23:16.760 Okay. 1651 01:23:17.119 --> 01:23:19.960 So I need to get those rhetorical answers down back 1652 01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:22.079 in my head again. I haven't had to deal with 1653 01:23:22.119 --> 01:23:24.840 those in a while. I need to get that back 1654 01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:25.560 in my head again. 1655 01:23:26.000 --> 01:23:29.880 Right, I'm not gonna tell you. 1656 01:23:30.239 --> 01:23:34.199 Sorry, Well, if I if I'm gonna speak this year 1657 01:23:34.199 --> 01:23:36.439 at Lancer, oh my god, somebody stand up there and 1658 01:23:36.479 --> 01:23:38.000 tell me to shut the f up. 1659 01:23:38.359 --> 01:23:42.199 Somebody do it. Somebody put the across your neck like 1660 01:23:42.239 --> 01:23:44.079 you're cut up, you know, shut up. 1661 01:23:44.680 --> 01:23:49.039 That thing looks gonna volunteer, that's gonna that's that's part 1662 01:23:49.039 --> 01:23:51.720 of my job. So you know, if you want, okay, 1663 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.880 I'll do that with you. But I don't like cutting 1664 01:23:54.920 --> 01:23:55.159 you off. 1665 01:23:55.359 --> 01:23:55.479 Kid. 1666 01:23:55.840 --> 01:23:57.760 Yeah, I know, I know, but I don't. 1667 01:23:57.640 --> 01:24:00.239 Like That's because we here, we're friends. 1668 01:24:00.399 --> 01:24:04.000 Chuck, Chuck, that's and thank you. That's a very friendly 1669 01:24:04.319 --> 01:24:05.840 and sincere. 1670 01:24:05.520 --> 01:24:07.880 Thing to say. I wouldn't like doing it to you either. 1671 01:24:08.079 --> 01:24:09.439 I get it. I wouldn't. 1672 01:24:10.079 --> 01:24:11.000 I couldn't do it either. 1673 01:24:11.319 --> 01:24:14.560 So you know why, because I think you're real, and 1674 01:24:14.600 --> 01:24:17.880 I just get so tired of the unreal, that's all. 1675 01:24:18.119 --> 01:24:21.239 I just get so tired of it. You know. 1676 01:24:21.880 --> 01:24:25.159 I can't people to see who they are. Pollyanna, there 1677 01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:25.760 I go again. 1678 01:24:25.920 --> 01:24:28.760 I don't know. I don't have any energy or the 1679 01:24:28.840 --> 01:24:31.680 desire to want to waste on trying to be somebody else. 1680 01:24:31.760 --> 01:24:34.920 It's it's hard enough just doing me so right, So I. 1681 01:24:34.920 --> 01:24:36.920 Just do what I do right now, I look at 1682 01:24:36.960 --> 01:24:39.199 it too, and you want to you want to talk 1683 01:24:39.199 --> 01:24:40.279 to me, that's great. 1684 01:24:40.039 --> 01:24:42.119 You don't want to, I'm a making it. You don't 1685 01:24:42.159 --> 01:24:45.239 have to, you know, I mean, you know, life's too short, 1686 01:24:45.960 --> 01:24:46.880 you know it is. 1687 01:24:47.279 --> 01:24:50.680 So look, at least I didn't talk about Beverly, I 1688 01:24:50.720 --> 01:24:51.640 didn't talk about Robert. 1689 01:24:51.680 --> 01:24:54.840 I did talk about Juesus. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 1690 01:24:55.560 --> 01:24:57.760 All right, that's right on this show. That's fine. 1691 01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:04.640 Okay, Well, yeah, I've been trying not to pay attention 1692 01:25:04.680 --> 01:25:06.840 to that circus, but but. 1693 01:25:06.880 --> 01:25:11.079 Yeah, yeah, it is what it is. And look, I 1694 01:25:11.119 --> 01:25:14.279 want to make sure that you know, though, that that 1695 01:25:14.279 --> 01:25:16.720 that lawyer whose name you didn't want to mention is 1696 01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:19.640 invited if he wants to come and do that presentation 1697 01:25:19.760 --> 01:25:21.640 we talked about a couple of months ago. 1698 01:25:22.159 --> 01:25:24.880 Well, I'm hoping he can by then. I really am, 1699 01:25:25.039 --> 01:25:28.399 I really really am. But who knows, you know, I 1700 01:25:28.399 --> 01:25:28.800 don't know. 1701 01:25:29.439 --> 01:25:31.600 I'm who knows when it's going to happen. 1702 01:25:31.760 --> 01:25:36.000 Well, also already right, and I'm really hoping that you'll 1703 01:25:36.039 --> 01:25:38.000 be able to come up and at least, you know, 1704 01:25:38.720 --> 01:25:41.279 go through a few more things and uh and discuss 1705 01:25:41.359 --> 01:25:43.800 some new stuff and hopefully by then something will happen 1706 01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:48.359 here and you'll have something branded to report, because I 1707 01:25:48.399 --> 01:25:50.880 would buy more than happy to help you reach out 1708 01:25:50.920 --> 01:25:55.039 to everybody and let them know news regarding this the case, 1709 01:25:55.159 --> 01:25:58.640 the circumstances, the film. You know, I would love to 1710 01:25:58.640 --> 01:25:59.640 break that right there. 1711 01:26:00.439 --> 01:26:03.399 So you know, thinking of that, one more thing, Chuck, 1712 01:26:03.560 --> 01:26:04.920 one more thing before we hang up. 1713 01:26:05.600 --> 01:26:08.960 We really need to talk, especially appear on the board. 1714 01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:14.560 Lantern needs to put together a nice little, truly professional 1715 01:26:14.600 --> 01:26:17.640 looking card and send it to every member of that 1716 01:26:17.720 --> 01:26:21.319 committee as well as do no an A, Luda, what's 1717 01:26:21.319 --> 01:26:28.720 her name, I'm gonna say, do Alipa and miss Luna. 1718 01:26:28.600 --> 01:26:32.920 Yeah, yeah, all of them. Every one of them need 1719 01:26:33.000 --> 01:26:36.760 their own invitation to come. And you know who else? 1720 01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:43.039 Are representatives in Dallas and Tarrett County and Austin. I'm 1721 01:26:43.760 --> 01:26:47.439 maybe even the other big like the El Paso. 1722 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:52.439 San Bayer County. Really, I think we need to get 1723 01:26:52.479 --> 01:26:54.600 Texas on board. I think we need to get the 1724 01:26:54.600 --> 01:26:58.359 federal on board. I do. I've said it for years 1725 01:26:58.359 --> 01:27:01.640 and years and years, and you know Bill Graham agreement. 1726 01:27:01.159 --> 01:27:03.279 Being on it, but he said nobody would go along with. 1727 01:27:03.199 --> 01:27:04.640 It, and that was the nineties. 1728 01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:07.399 Well, I'll tell you what anyway, if you type me 1729 01:27:07.479 --> 01:27:09.640 up because I don't know all the people in Texas, 1730 01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.239 I would need to know. If you're willing to type 1731 01:27:12.239 --> 01:27:14.279 it up and email it to me, I will make 1732 01:27:14.319 --> 01:27:14.800 it happen. 1733 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:15.119 We will. 1734 01:27:15.239 --> 01:27:17.520 We will get those invites out. Give me the list 1735 01:27:17.640 --> 01:27:19.159 and let's get it. Let's get it done. 1736 01:27:20.000 --> 01:27:22.359 I'll do it. I will do it. I will do it. 1737 01:27:22.399 --> 01:27:24.039 I think that's a good idea, and I think it 1738 01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:27.079 would wouldn't do anything. It wouldn't hurt with it. No, 1739 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:28.000 I mean they might. 1740 01:27:28.000 --> 01:27:31.079 All get thrown away, but at least be tried exactly right, 1741 01:27:31.439 --> 01:27:32.880 exactly Okay. 1742 01:27:32.960 --> 01:27:34.960 You can't say that, you can't say that the effort 1743 01:27:35.039 --> 01:27:36.680 was not made. And I think it's a good idea, 1744 01:27:36.760 --> 01:27:38.760 So yeah, please do it. But help me out with 1745 01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:41.359 the Texas angle, because I don't necessarily know who the 1746 01:27:41.439 --> 01:27:42.359 right people are there. 1747 01:27:43.319 --> 01:27:44.800 Okay, are the lucky? 1748 01:27:45.239 --> 01:27:49.520 I mean, well, you know, just saying DP lap you 1749 01:27:49.720 --> 01:27:51.840 very laugh BP Okay, go ahead. 1750 01:27:51.520 --> 01:27:57.319 Okay, I'm very judged. I'm sure he is. You know anyway, 1751 01:27:58.760 --> 01:28:00.720 But I didn't want to keep you all night, but 1752 01:28:00.760 --> 01:28:03.319 I really appreciate you stopping it. 1753 01:28:02.359 --> 01:28:05.600 You give your wife a hug and your son too, 1754 01:28:05.800 --> 01:28:08.359 and and bep y'all each other. 1755 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:11.079 There won't be anything weird about it. You got to 1756 01:28:11.079 --> 01:28:12.840 act like you're me, that's all sure. 1757 01:28:13.079 --> 01:28:15.960 Wait one second, though, I might have a caller on 1758 01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:18.680 the line that might want to address a question to you, 1759 01:28:19.439 --> 01:28:21.800 So let me see about that and see if I 1760 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:26.640 can bring them on. Okay, Jimmy, did you want to 1761 01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:28.000 ask Gail a question? 1762 01:28:31.479 --> 01:28:36.159 Oh? If I could have him, I need to a 1763 01:28:36.199 --> 01:28:37.039 minute to think. 1764 01:28:37.119 --> 01:28:39.279 I just popped on here and didn't know Gale was 1765 01:28:39.319 --> 01:28:39.760 going to be on. 1766 01:28:40.279 --> 01:28:42.600 Oh I'm sorry. I thought you wanted because I because 1767 01:28:42.600 --> 01:28:45.000 you had mentioned me before you want to ask Gail something, 1768 01:28:45.199 --> 01:28:47.640 and I thought this was your opportunity. You were trying 1769 01:28:47.640 --> 01:28:51.319 to drop in on it. So no problem. Uh, I 1770 01:28:51.720 --> 01:28:52.920 just was trying to hook that up. 1771 01:28:56.000 --> 01:28:56.800 I appreciate it. 1772 01:28:56.880 --> 01:28:59.479 I just I just happen to pop on. 1773 01:29:00.720 --> 01:29:03.520 No problem, no problem, I'll just put you back on hold. 1774 01:29:03.640 --> 01:29:06.079 Appreciate you, man, Just hang on and we'll get back 1775 01:29:06.119 --> 01:29:06.600 around to you. 1776 01:29:07.199 --> 01:29:07.439 Uh. 1777 01:29:07.479 --> 01:29:09.840 But no, He's mentioned before we wanted to ask you something, 1778 01:29:10.039 --> 01:29:11.199 and so I was like. 1779 01:29:11.239 --> 01:29:13.640 Oh, no, I hope I didn't make it. I hope 1780 01:29:13.680 --> 01:29:16.479 you didn't lose a listener because of me. Chuckle. My guys, No, 1781 01:29:16.520 --> 01:29:17.399 not at all. I'm sorry. 1782 01:29:17.399 --> 01:29:20.600 I'm sure I didn't. Don't worry about it. And besides that, 1783 01:29:20.680 --> 01:29:22.640 I lose listeners all the time, all on my own, 1784 01:29:22.680 --> 01:29:23.560 so don't worry about. 1785 01:29:23.359 --> 01:29:27.359 It, to believe. 1786 01:29:27.840 --> 01:29:30.760 Happy Mother's Day to your wife, Happy Mother's Day to 1787 01:29:30.840 --> 01:29:31.600 up Pete. 1788 01:29:31.920 --> 01:29:34.119 And I love you, guys, and thank you. I'm sorry 1789 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:35.680 I took up all your time. I could go on 1790 01:29:35.840 --> 01:29:37.000 another three hours with. 1791 01:29:37.000 --> 01:29:40.520 You, a really good well good we got. We talked 1792 01:29:40.560 --> 01:29:41.600 well together. I think. 1793 01:29:41.800 --> 01:29:44.039 Listen, I'm more than happy to talk to you, but 1794 01:29:44.359 --> 01:29:45.920 but I don't want to keep you all night because 1795 01:29:46.079 --> 01:29:48.399 I got a feeling you get me in trouble with 1796 01:29:48.439 --> 01:29:50.760 somebody else in the house over there. 1797 01:29:52.880 --> 01:29:55.439 But yeah, I'm pretty good at getting people in trouble. 1798 01:29:55.560 --> 01:29:57.880 I'm pretty good about that. I don't know, we try, 1799 01:29:58.600 --> 01:30:00.279 but just think if I all right? 1800 01:30:00.520 --> 01:30:03.680 All right, I love you guys. Happy Mother's Day weekend, 1801 01:30:03.840 --> 01:30:04.760 and talk to you soon. 1802 01:30:04.960 --> 01:30:07.880 Absolutely. Happy Mother's Day to you, Gail, and I hope 1803 01:30:07.920 --> 01:30:10.520 some more good news comes your way, very very soon. 1804 01:30:11.840 --> 01:30:15.479 It is, it is. It's good. I feel it. O God, 1805 01:30:15.520 --> 01:30:18.239 that craziness, but it is. Everything is great. 1806 01:30:18.479 --> 01:30:22.640 It is Send all the powerpool positive my way and 1807 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:23.880 I would be so appreciative. 1808 01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:29.920 Chuck. Okay, you too, be Pete, there you go, Okay, all. 1809 01:30:29.880 --> 01:30:33.520 Right, Gail, Gail, Nick Jackson, everybody, And I'll tell you 1810 01:30:33.840 --> 01:30:37.920 it's it's always an experience. And you've got stories out 1811 01:30:37.920 --> 01:30:40.079 of that, you got some comedy out of that, you 1812 01:30:40.159 --> 01:30:43.800 got an update on the Knicks film, So what else 1813 01:30:43.840 --> 01:30:48.560 could you possibly ask for it? I love Gail, she's 1814 01:30:48.600 --> 01:30:51.920 the best man and BP thank you for chasing her 1815 01:30:51.960 --> 01:30:54.319 down and staying on her because I can't seem to 1816 01:30:54.319 --> 01:30:56.279 get her on my show anymore. But if we can 1817 01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:57.840 get her to call in on a Friday once in 1818 01:30:57.840 --> 01:31:00.640 a while, boy, I'll be happy. So thank you for that. 1819 01:31:01.600 --> 01:31:02.640 We will stay on it. 1820 01:31:04.239 --> 01:31:06.880 Appreciate it because you know, and now that I had 1821 01:31:06.880 --> 01:31:10.479 to reassert myself on Facebook, I've got what ten friends, 1822 01:31:10.960 --> 01:31:13.760 so you know, nobody knows where I am anymore. They're 1823 01:31:13.760 --> 01:31:16.239 probably messaging the old account, like, hey man, this guy 1824 01:31:16.239 --> 01:31:18.920 won't even get back to me. But I'm locked out 1825 01:31:18.960 --> 01:31:21.119 of the original Chuck O'Kelly account and I can't get 1826 01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:23.199 back on because I don't have a government ID. Thank 1827 01:31:23.199 --> 01:31:29.279 you very much anyway, So but it is great to 1828 01:31:29.319 --> 01:31:33.239 hear from Gail and I'll give you guys the link 1829 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:35.199 to that article. I got to find that article again 1830 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:37.680 about the sixth floor and all that, and I think 1831 01:31:37.680 --> 01:31:39.399 it was I think she was right. Jeff Meek might 1832 01:31:39.399 --> 01:31:41.439 have wrote about it. Did you see that article, be Pete. 1833 01:31:42.520 --> 01:31:45.600 I saw what I saw what came up on Twitter 1834 01:31:45.800 --> 01:31:47.159 when Degenio. 1835 01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:51.319 Oh yeah, Deugenio was talking about it on Twitter. Right. 1836 01:31:54.960 --> 01:31:57.399 I was going to ask her, and I didn't get 1837 01:31:57.399 --> 01:31:57.880 a chance. 1838 01:31:58.640 --> 01:32:02.920 How many copies of mixed film can they tracked down? 1839 01:32:03.359 --> 01:32:05.600 Oh? She might let another hang on, I know there's 1840 01:32:05.640 --> 01:32:07.279 no way to track down all the ones. 1841 01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:08.000 Oh, I've got this. 1842 01:32:08.039 --> 01:32:09.159 I'm gonna make a copy of it. 1843 01:32:09.239 --> 01:32:11.560 Nobody knows about it, but I mean just the copies that. 1844 01:32:11.520 --> 01:32:14.439 Were made from it being turned in and it going 1845 01:32:14.520 --> 01:32:15.680 to different individuals. 1846 01:32:15.760 --> 01:32:17.800 Yeah, that's my main hold. On a second, she might 1847 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:20.960 still be on the line, jail. 1848 01:32:22.399 --> 01:32:24.960 I am. I'm listening so that y'all could hear it, 1849 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:27.560 so my husband can hear it too. Thank you, Gill 1850 01:32:27.600 --> 01:32:28.239 are so kind. 1851 01:32:28.479 --> 01:32:31.800 Okay, fifth Keally had the best formula for that, because 1852 01:32:31.840 --> 01:32:34.279 you're right, be Pete, there is no way in hell 1853 01:32:34.520 --> 01:32:38.239 of knowing that, no way, but you could trace it 1854 01:32:38.319 --> 01:32:41.119 back like an ancestry tree. You know what I mean 1855 01:32:41.279 --> 01:32:44.640 by looking at the generations, because there are that many 1856 01:32:44.680 --> 01:32:50.279 differences in the films. There's that many. Just so you know, 1857 01:32:50.880 --> 01:32:52.479 I mean, just so you know. 1858 01:32:52.880 --> 01:32:54.399 So now is that? 1859 01:32:54.960 --> 01:32:57.680 Why is it? Because in the old days it would 1860 01:32:57.680 --> 01:33:00.000 have been because it was taking generation third general. 1861 01:33:00.319 --> 01:33:03.720 But now, and actually it's been for a while, you 1862 01:33:03.760 --> 01:33:05.920 could do that stuff, that stuff yourself. 1863 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:09.479 I've got the right equipment right because of all the 1864 01:33:09.560 --> 01:33:14.039 digital copies. Now it's it's literally impossible. I mean I've 1865 01:33:14.119 --> 01:33:17.640 gotten I've got two different digital copies of the thing personally, 1866 01:33:19.319 --> 01:33:21.479 and I mean I'm not even out there like searching 1867 01:33:21.520 --> 01:33:24.279 for them. These are just things I got, you know. 1868 01:33:25.479 --> 01:33:27.960 And I've got to disassembled one frame by frame and 1869 01:33:28.000 --> 01:33:30.000 it sucks, by the way, It's not good. 1870 01:33:31.319 --> 01:33:33.119 But anyway, he checked this line. 1871 01:33:33.600 --> 01:33:36.479 I scream and cry and worry about that crap all 1872 01:33:36.520 --> 01:33:40.960 the time, about losing our trust and freedom. I'm telling you, 1873 01:33:41.159 --> 01:33:45.239 I'm scared to death about it. I only because what 1874 01:33:45.800 --> 01:33:48.159 I've done, and hopefully we'll. 1875 01:33:47.960 --> 01:33:50.279 Be able to tell other people too, you know what I. 1876 01:33:50.159 --> 01:33:54.159 Mean, hopefully. I don't know what's going to happen here, 1877 01:33:54.319 --> 01:33:56.199 so and I'm not trying. 1878 01:33:55.880 --> 01:33:59.359 To sound dire, and I'm not trying to sound I 1879 01:33:59.359 --> 01:33:59.920 don't mean that. 1880 01:34:00.680 --> 01:34:04.039 I know how things are run these days, and I 1881 01:34:04.079 --> 01:34:08.079 know what you can say and which can't. And I don't. 1882 01:34:07.920 --> 01:34:11.560 Want to cause any issues for anyone, especially those that 1883 01:34:11.640 --> 01:34:13.279 are close to me, you know what I mean. 1884 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:16.159 That's all. It's all I want to say. 1885 01:34:16.119 --> 01:34:19.239 And personally it is my own. I don't see why 1886 01:34:19.279 --> 01:34:22.279 there is not a downloadable you know. That's another thing 1887 01:34:22.359 --> 01:34:25.039 is even with the Zubruter film, you can't just go 1888 01:34:25.159 --> 01:34:28.439 get a digital copy of the Subruter film, you know, 1889 01:34:29.479 --> 01:34:32.800 and and that they paid them for that a lot 1890 01:34:32.800 --> 01:34:37.159 of money, okay, and the only way you get at the. 1891 01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:41.560 Sixth Floor Museum we're talking about now, guys to the government. 1892 01:34:41.239 --> 01:34:43.800 And the sixth Floor Museum. That's what we're talking about. 1893 01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:46.920 The sixth Floor Museum ended up with the with the 1894 01:34:47.159 --> 01:34:50.199 other copy, you know, which was the tax write off. 1895 01:34:50.319 --> 01:34:54.800 But okay, fine, but digital access to that, like you know, 1896 01:34:54.840 --> 01:34:56.880 we can download all these other things. I mean, even 1897 01:34:56.920 --> 01:35:00.239 there was this week on the RFK stuff. They came 1898 01:35:00.239 --> 01:35:02.239 out with some MP three's I haven't even gone through 1899 01:35:02.279 --> 01:35:07.319 them yet, but just a few days ago, and you know, 1900 01:35:07.520 --> 01:35:10.479 why can't we download the films. Why can't we download 1901 01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:14.600 a good crystal clear digitized version of each of these films? 1902 01:35:14.600 --> 01:35:17.720 Then, because they say they don't, they say. 1903 01:35:17.560 --> 01:35:23.479 They don't have it. That's why, that's why there you go. 1904 01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:24.159 Yeah, well. 1905 01:35:26.079 --> 01:35:30.399 We all know better, and we all oh my gosh, 1906 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:36.600 it's disgusting. It's totally disgusting. And now maybe they'll make. 1907 01:35:36.520 --> 01:35:38.279 People understand me a little bit better. 1908 01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:42.199 Why it's hard to trust these days, you know what 1909 01:35:42.239 --> 01:35:44.199 I mean, been hard for a while. 1910 01:35:44.720 --> 01:35:48.720 It's been heart for a long while. Exactly on both sides. 1911 01:35:48.920 --> 01:35:53.800 It's America. I don't mean President now, President before president 1912 01:35:53.880 --> 01:35:57.640 twenty years ago. I don't even mean. I mean, it's 1913 01:35:57.680 --> 01:35:59.159 scary and I never believed it. 1914 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:04.840 I never kid But then again, you know, you can't 1915 01:36:04.880 --> 01:36:06.000 be a pollyann or forever. 1916 01:36:06.239 --> 01:36:09.199 No, I love it. I had crazy ideas about America too, 1917 01:36:09.239 --> 01:36:11.880 because it was fed to me by my grandparents who 1918 01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:14.920 were not from here. They came from other places, you know, 1919 01:36:15.119 --> 01:36:20.000 I'm second generation here, and they had a whole other 1920 01:36:20.079 --> 01:36:23.199 idea about this country. Let me tell you. They thought 1921 01:36:23.199 --> 01:36:26.039 it was you know, safety and prosperity, all that stuff. 1922 01:36:26.199 --> 01:36:28.920 I mean, it's just Wesly and Ireland. 1923 01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:31.920 My grandfather thought he was going to retire on twelve 1924 01:36:32.000 --> 01:36:37.399 thousand and five. Come on, come on, Okay, Yeah, that's 1925 01:36:37.399 --> 01:36:41.600 all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Looked at the difference, 1926 01:36:41.600 --> 01:36:44.199 and no one does. They don't pay attention to. 1927 01:36:44.239 --> 01:36:46.640 The history of the times. They just don't. 1928 01:36:47.439 --> 01:36:49.359 Socio economic, all of it. 1929 01:36:50.319 --> 01:36:51.039 And democratic. 1930 01:36:51.119 --> 01:36:53.880 And I don't mean as a democratic Republican. I mean 1931 01:36:54.039 --> 01:36:59.760 as in our you know what we do, our vote, 1932 01:37:00.159 --> 01:37:03.239 our say so we're Americans. We get to talk the 1933 01:37:03.279 --> 01:37:04.199 way we want to talk. 1934 01:37:04.640 --> 01:37:06.840 And if we're lying, then we need to be called 1935 01:37:06.840 --> 01:37:09.680 out for it. I think we don't. 1936 01:37:09.720 --> 01:37:13.119 You absolutely true. So Gail, look, I am coming to 1937 01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.119 the end of my time slot though, believe it or not, 1938 01:37:15.239 --> 01:37:16.439 we got like eight minutes. 1939 01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:18.600 Okay, now get me again. I'm sorry. 1940 01:37:18.760 --> 01:37:20.479 It's okay to talk to more. 1941 01:37:20.520 --> 01:37:21.399 And I would have hung up. 1942 01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:25.760 No, no, no, it's all right. Jimmy, Jimmy hung up anyway. 1943 01:37:26.000 --> 01:37:29.560 And it's okay. We we had we had the Gail. 1944 01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:31.199 Ex Jackson show. Let's get to talk. 1945 01:37:31.960 --> 01:37:34.640 It's okay. We had the Gail Mix Jackson show tonight. 1946 01:37:34.720 --> 01:37:35.279 It's all right. 1947 01:37:35.680 --> 01:37:40.239 I'm god. We didn't bump who did we bump? 1948 01:37:40.960 --> 01:37:43.760 We didn't bump Larry Hancock. Please tell me we didn't 1949 01:37:43.760 --> 01:37:45.119 bump anybody, right. 1950 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:48.640 No, no, no, no, no, no no, we didn't bump anybody. 1951 01:37:48.720 --> 01:37:53.119 Open open lines on Fridays, Okay, and it just so happens. Good, 1952 01:37:53.359 --> 01:37:54.560 that's the easiest. 1953 01:37:54.119 --> 01:37:56.960 Way to call away. Okay. 1954 01:37:57.079 --> 01:37:59.640 Well, no, there's more people are listening than just us, 1955 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:00.920 but they. 1956 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:03.359 Just don't call. Well, I mean, I don't know how 1957 01:38:03.359 --> 01:38:07.199 it works. I don't know how it works. 1958 01:38:07.359 --> 01:38:10.119 Yeah, I know, I'm sorry. It's okay. A lot of 1959 01:38:10.159 --> 01:38:12.239 them gonna call, a lot of them don't call. And 1960 01:38:12.279 --> 01:38:14.279 it's all right. And you know, Friday nights, we we 1961 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:17.600 got like a steady roster of callers that usually join us. 1962 01:38:17.640 --> 01:38:20.640 But uh, but it's they were taping it. 1963 01:38:20.760 --> 01:38:22.479 They had a hot date. You never know. 1964 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.199 That's all good, that's all good. Listen, they. 1965 01:38:26.800 --> 01:38:28.760 May they're gonna listen to it after Sunday. 1966 01:38:29.119 --> 01:38:31.399 You know, they can always get the podcast later. 1967 01:38:33.039 --> 01:38:36.600 There you go. Anyway, So, Gail. 1968 01:38:36.680 --> 01:38:38.880 They we're gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna put you back 1969 01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:41.520 on hold again, and I really do know. 1970 01:38:41.520 --> 01:38:42.880 I'm gonna hang up, but I'm gonna yell at my 1971 01:38:43.000 --> 01:38:44.840 husband for making me stay on the language and I 1972 01:38:44.880 --> 01:38:47.960 got me in trouble again. It's his faults. I'm blaming 1973 01:38:48.039 --> 01:38:50.159 him this time. I am all right. 1974 01:38:50.680 --> 01:38:54.319 Put the blame wherever you are. I love you guys, 1975 01:38:54.640 --> 01:38:59.960 absolutely all right. All right bye Gail nick Jackson. Once again. 1976 01:39:03.239 --> 01:39:06.119 You can't stop her. You know it's great, isn't it, 1977 01:39:06.399 --> 01:39:08.960 re Pete? Oh wow? 1978 01:39:09.000 --> 01:39:11.239 I was glad we could get her on me too. 1979 01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:14.279 Listen, I'm totally thrilled we had the Gael Nick Jackson 1980 01:39:14.279 --> 01:39:18.199 Show tonight. I mean, it's great. Forget it, man. We 1981 01:39:18.319 --> 01:39:22.600 got stories, we got various riffs on politics and you 1982 01:39:22.640 --> 01:39:28.840 know a lot of things. A story about Roldo, women 1983 01:39:28.920 --> 01:39:32.000 from Texas. Okay, well, you know the only thing I 1984 01:39:32.000 --> 01:39:34.359 could think of is things are bigger and louder from Texas. 1985 01:39:34.399 --> 01:39:39.920 What do you think? Always? Well, there you have it. 1986 01:39:40.119 --> 01:39:43.000 So what I'm gonna do is I'm going to sign 1987 01:39:43.079 --> 01:39:44.800 off a little bit early, just so I can make 1988 01:39:44.800 --> 01:39:47.640 sure to hook Aaron frowns up on time because it 1989 01:39:47.720 --> 01:39:50.840 might take me a minute. But this team situation is weird, 1990 01:39:51.439 --> 01:39:53.680 and we will play a couple of spots on the 1991 01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:57.079 way out here, I guess because we didn't play any commercials, 1992 01:39:57.119 --> 01:40:02.680 no breaks, nothing but b Pete how about I'll just 1993 01:40:02.720 --> 01:40:04.800 give you the final word for the week. It was 1994 01:40:04.800 --> 01:40:05.720 great to hear from Gail. 1995 01:40:06.640 --> 01:40:08.640 Yes, it was. I was so glad she was able 1996 01:40:08.680 --> 01:40:10.680 to come on. I know her schedule is off with 1997 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:13.720 tight and being able to fill a couple hours with us, 1998 01:40:13.760 --> 01:40:17.399 you know, I feel indebted, always. 1999 01:40:17.119 --> 01:40:20.119 Glad to have Gail on at any time. I hope 2000 01:40:20.159 --> 01:40:21.079 she's listening to that. 2001 01:40:22.640 --> 01:40:24.119 But other than that, I was glad we could get 2002 01:40:24.119 --> 01:40:27.079 her on and we'll get this team's thing worked out. 2003 01:40:27.119 --> 01:40:28.880 See we can get a little better working on it 2004 01:40:29.000 --> 01:40:30.560 and do it again all next week. 2005 01:40:31.039 --> 01:40:33.239 Yeah, we'll definitely do it again next week. And in 2006 01:40:33.279 --> 01:40:35.439 the meantime, Yeah, check out the links. I'm going to 2007 01:40:35.479 --> 01:40:37.000 put it in the show notes for this if you're 2008 01:40:37.000 --> 01:40:41.159 hearing the podcast, and do purchase Gail's books. They are 2009 01:40:41.319 --> 01:40:45.159 interesting stories in and of themselves. The Missing Pieces thing 2010 01:40:45.399 --> 01:40:47.239 has to do with a whole lot of other research 2011 01:40:47.319 --> 01:40:50.239 she did around a whole bunch of figures that are 2012 01:40:50.319 --> 01:40:54.479 sort of considered ancillary or tangential to the assassination quite honestly, 2013 01:40:55.239 --> 01:40:58.319 and you know you want to get deep, you can 2014 01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:01.840 with that Missing Pieces book. But also the Missing film 2015 01:41:02.760 --> 01:41:05.680 very very important, and that is important because You've seen 2016 01:41:05.680 --> 01:41:08.960 the Knixt film a million times and you probably haven't 2017 01:41:09.000 --> 01:41:10.920 even had it credited to you. When you've seen it, 2018 01:41:11.640 --> 01:41:15.800 you know, it's it's amazing. Everybody knows the Zupruter film, 2019 01:41:16.520 --> 01:41:19.319 but the Knicks film. There's been a bad bunch of 2020 01:41:19.359 --> 01:41:23.000 bad copies around and there's got to be an original somewhere. 2021 01:41:23.039 --> 01:41:27.239 There always has been, you know. Anyway, I think it's 2022 01:41:27.279 --> 01:41:29.880 a worthy pursuit, and she is, you know, starting to 2023 01:41:29.880 --> 01:41:33.279 make some way in court here and there, and so 2024 01:41:33.479 --> 01:41:36.279 is her dad. But man, oh man, they need to 2025 01:41:36.279 --> 01:41:38.600 get to the bottom of it and solve that situation, 2026 01:41:39.520 --> 01:41:42.119 you know. And I'm telling you, we would see a 2027 01:41:42.119 --> 01:41:43.920 lot of new stuff if we got a hold of 2028 01:41:43.920 --> 01:41:49.279 that original, because it just it would be revelatory, considering 2029 01:41:49.640 --> 01:41:52.560 the fact that he used the indoor film, which would 2030 01:41:52.600 --> 01:41:56.399 be more light sensitive, and I think people don't appreciate 2031 01:41:56.479 --> 01:41:59.199 exactly what that means. All those like dark spaces you 2032 01:41:59.239 --> 01:42:02.239 see when they should you the Knicks film, Yeah, that 2033 01:42:02.319 --> 01:42:04.600 stuff would pop right on up and you could stop 2034 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:09.960 arguing over the blurs and the smudges. Believe it. Anyways, 2035 01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:12.920 be Pete. 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