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<v Speaker 1>We have some clouds coming in, maybe a little storm situation,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's fall. Technically we're there, so the weather's going

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<v Speaker 1>to start to cool down a little bit. But joining

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<v Speaker 1>me now live in studio for an entire hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, my guy.

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<v Speaker 1>We've worked together in one way or another for like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years.

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<v Speaker 2>TP.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Parks the voice of the Bees. What's up, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, I'm on the wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you're good.

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<v Speaker 1>So you'll respect this as somebody who literally has done

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<v Speaker 1>everything in radio.

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<v Speaker 2>You can talk about the jazz or take the trash out.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what's great about you.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a new board here and we've got a

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<v Speaker 1>new setup in studio, so we're still trying to traverse

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<v Speaker 1>that space. So Porter asked to actually turn your mic on.

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<v Speaker 1>This will terrify you. I cannot turn my mic on

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<v Speaker 1>or off. And we don't have a dump button every

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<v Speaker 1>day for four hours. I'm like, don't don't don't say

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<v Speaker 1>that one. Hey there pops in your head again, don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>can't say that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So I take it. Britton Johnson will not be in

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<v Speaker 2>studio foroff. I love that, man.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you need a dump button with Britton Johnson along

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<v Speaker 1>for the Ride, longtime co host on Jazz Perff post how.

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<v Speaker 2>You been, Manthe's good. I've been so good, man. I

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<v Speaker 2>love it. Man. Every day I get to wake up

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<v Speaker 2>and I go to a baseball game. And today we

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<v Speaker 2>don't have a game, but we traveled in last night,

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<v Speaker 2>so my wife and our newborn daughter were there at

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<v Speaker 2>home here in Salt Lake, at our place here, and

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<v Speaker 2>got up today and had a great morning with her.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there is nothing like it. I wake

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<v Speaker 2>up and I have an infant who makes fun little

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<v Speaker 2>noises and squeals, and she just loves her puppy, and

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<v Speaker 2>she loves her life and she can't wait to see

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<v Speaker 2>what's coming up every day. And then after that, I

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<v Speaker 2>go to a baseball game and I get to be

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<v Speaker 2>around great people and I love the team that I

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<v Speaker 2>work with. I love the team that is on the

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<v Speaker 2>field as well, Manager Keith Johnson. Just like when you

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<v Speaker 2>have that every single day, man, you are really alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's the final year of the ballpark, a place

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<v Speaker 2>that's very near and dear to my heart for so

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<v Speaker 2>many reasons. And so this last week I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>soak it up.

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<v Speaker 1>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>Six days. If you the fan you know, make sure

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<v Speaker 2>to join us. You know, I'm gonna pump for tickets

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<v Speaker 2>just because it's an iconic place. The weather's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be great, but we have all these great tributes coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>and I am just over the moon excited for what

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<v Speaker 2>should be, you know, a great week of being around

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<v Speaker 2>great people. This is the last week of the ballpark. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we talked about it last week.

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<v Speaker 1>I just forgot that played way too much mediocre golf

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<v Speaker 1>over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>It's taking the bandwidth.

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<v Speaker 1>How you dealing with that? What's it like over there

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<v Speaker 1>last week of that ballpark?

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<v Speaker 2>Man?

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<v Speaker 1>I can remember, we all can remember going there forever

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<v Speaker 1>ago and thirsty Thursdays in college and throughout the course.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like so many great memories. Obviously you're the

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<v Speaker 1>guy for this. You have more memories than anyone outside

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<v Speaker 1>of the late great Steve Cloukey.

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<v Speaker 2>So what's it like?

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<v Speaker 1>What's it feel like knowing that this thing is coming

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<v Speaker 1>to an end in the Capital City.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's very emotional for me because there's so

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<v Speaker 2>many different chapters to it. Childhood baseball is where we

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<v Speaker 2>felt most safe. When we made the move my mom

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<v Speaker 2>and I to Salt Lake City. That was kind of

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<v Speaker 2>our thing. It's how I grew a big Cubs fan

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<v Speaker 2>because we watched WGN. No matter where we were, Greg Maddocks,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on Dan Gil. Steve Stone was the star

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<v Speaker 2>of our home Mark Grace. Yeah, I mean I had

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<v Speaker 2>Steve Stone and my mom teaching me the game. Anybody

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<v Speaker 2>who knows my mom knows like that was the ultimate

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<v Speaker 2>cheat code to have him and her together, Like teaching

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<v Speaker 2>me the game was amazing anyway, So baseball is a

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<v Speaker 2>big part to us. And then you know, when I

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<v Speaker 2>got the job as the play by play announcer, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>never forget it. I mean, I come back into the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Utah really for the first time since Sophie

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<v Speaker 2>was born, and I go up to the press box.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a Weaver State football game, and Steve Cloukey's

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<v Speaker 2>calling it for radio and I got it on TV,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's the first time we'd seen each other since

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<v Speaker 2>he retired, Like there's some there's some stuff here. And

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<v Speaker 2>the way he grabbed my arm and the way he

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<v Speaker 2>shook it around, and the way he pulled me in

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<v Speaker 2>and gave me a hug, and then the one thing

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<v Speaker 2>he told me was, you know, I called the first

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<v Speaker 2>game ever at that ballpark, and I think it's so

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<v Speaker 2>beautiful that you get to call the last game ever

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<v Speaker 2>at that ballpark. So here's one thing people didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>all year. I had remembered him saying that, and I

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<v Speaker 2>put something together towards the last homestand to where I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to bring different people in to call a

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<v Speaker 2>few innings with me, just as a color commentary conversational

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<v Speaker 2>on the TV. Brook loved, Yeah one, I'm Frank Layden. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's an obvious one. There's just just all these different

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<v Speaker 2>people I was going to bring in. But the last

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<v Speaker 2>one I was going to have was Steve Cloukey, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know exactly the way that he would set up

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<v Speaker 2>his book. I've studied it all the way down because

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<v Speaker 2>he has all of his books in there, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was going to set up the game book exactly like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And when it got to the final three outs are

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<v Speaker 2>six depending on how the game was going, I was

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<v Speaker 2>going to have him call the final outs at the

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<v Speaker 2>ballpark because I truly felt that's the way it should

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<v Speaker 2>have ended. And so as I think about that, that's

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<v Speaker 2>another thing that gets me emotional about this week because

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<v Speaker 2>I had those plans put into place, tell her that's mean.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell our listeners, do you ever listen to the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>SmartLess The Bateman Will. It's a funny like celebrity podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a guilty pleasure listen and they talk often

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<v Speaker 1>about their industry as actors. When they use terms they tell,

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<v Speaker 1>they follow up to tell the guests to talk to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the co host sisters who has no clue

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<v Speaker 1>about acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense? Care? So for our listeners that

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what a game book is, oh, explain what

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<v Speaker 2>that is. Yeah, it's just like it's the way you

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<v Speaker 2>have your score sheet and you have you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>visitor and the home team, and the way you list

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<v Speaker 2>out the starting lineups and all those different things. He

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<v Speaker 2>and I have a very similar one. Yeah, very very similar.

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<v Speaker 2>We have very different ways which way we format it.

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<v Speaker 2>I put numbers in unique spots and I don't label it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know what that number means, and so when

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<v Speaker 2>I need it, my eyes go right to it. I

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<v Speaker 2>got it, and I move gotcha, And it's the way

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<v Speaker 2>and he was very much the same. Now we're different

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<v Speaker 2>in exactly what we put where, but there's a style

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<v Speaker 2>in which we had so I mean down to the

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<v Speaker 2>tiniest details. He had a unique style. I had a

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<v Speaker 2>unan style. So one thing that I would do is like,

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<v Speaker 2>if somebody pops up the first base and it's caught,

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<v Speaker 2>it's three. But if it's a pop up high in

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<v Speaker 2>the air, it's a big fat three. That's the way.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's a line drive, it's like the straight lines

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<v Speaker 2>gocha three. If it's a pop up and foul ground,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a backwards fat three, like I do. Like just

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<v Speaker 2>my mind automatically knows popped up in the foul ground.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a coding system that you have that your

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<v Speaker 2>own style. And I knew his style inside out, So

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<v Speaker 2>I was gonna set it up that way throughout the game,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how it was gonna end. I was gonna

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<v Speaker 2>surprise him with it. I'm gonna make sure his family

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<v Speaker 2>knew about it. Yeah, and let it be because that's

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<v Speaker 2>the way I believe that the final three outs and

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<v Speaker 2>the broadcast and all that.

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<v Speaker 1>I still, you know, I had a twin pin tweet

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<v Speaker 1>of my bob, my Steve Clokey bobblehead until like a

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<v Speaker 1>week ago, and every time I think it, I still

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<v Speaker 1>go white ones. Yeah, what how did that happen so

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<v Speaker 1>over there. So Oklahoma City's in town. We've got Smith's

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<v Speaker 1>family and I coming up tomorrow, Thursday, Thursday. On Thursday,

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<v Speaker 1>we got to go Golden Night on Friday, fan Appreciation

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<v Speaker 1>Night Saturday. Then the finale is on Sunday, the final

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<v Speaker 1>game for the Bees of the ballpark here in the

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<v Speaker 2>It's Sunday. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, you and I are of the same about the

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<v Speaker 1>Miller family and the goals they have. Yeah, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Stewards they were over a team that you and I

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<v Speaker 1>both worked for and still to this day I cheer

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<v Speaker 1>for in the Utah Jazz So Steve Stark's front of

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<v Speaker 1>the show friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Off air as well.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what they're doing to build a new ballpark,

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<v Speaker 1>you know probably deserve A bottom line for me is

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<v Speaker 1>I live in Salt Lake and it's a bummer that

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<v Speaker 1>it's leaving, right, But I appreciate this endeavor that the

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<v Speaker 1>Millers have taken on and hope that at some point

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<v Speaker 1>it does lead to a major League baseball team here

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<v Speaker 1>in our capital city personally, which would be awesome. So

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<v Speaker 1>as you look ahead, Tony to what's next for this

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<v Speaker 1>little old ball club, what are some of your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>and what's kind of the redeeming feel of the organization.

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<v Speaker 2>I love the big steps that we're taking this year,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them were not witnessed. Some of them

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<v Speaker 2>you couldn't see with your eyes, but great work from

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<v Speaker 2>so many people who stepped into the ballpark ready to

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<v Speaker 2>go with great baseball mindset and great business of baseball mindset. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you can be a baseball person, you could be a

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<v Speaker 2>business person, but these are people who understand the business

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<v Speaker 2>of baseball and it's going on long way. Derek Amacon

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<v Speaker 2>a huge part of that. Cam Coglan a huge part

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<v Speaker 2>of that. Ty Wardle. I know I'm leaving some people out,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't have all day. But the point is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people who are stepping in there with

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<v Speaker 2>new roles, new responsibilities. They're doing a masterful job at

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<v Speaker 2>putting together great concepts that are helping build and go

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<v Speaker 2>bigger because a lot of what's happening is is we're

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<v Speaker 2>moving to major league mindset and there were major strides

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<v Speaker 2>that took place there. First of all, they got a

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<v Speaker 2>TV deal done in record time. That was amazing. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>the great work by from Cam Coglan to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously ty Wordle and everybody in between to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that that came together. We have all these games on KMYU,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have more games than I think any minor

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<v Speaker 2>league team out there on lineing or TV. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to say, I'd have to double check that to be sure,

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<v Speaker 2>but we have almost forty games right right then the

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<v Speaker 2>quality of our broadcast. Then we go into the features

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<v Speaker 2>of our broadcast and they just kind of said, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>So when you talk the stuff that you'll see, that's

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<v Speaker 2>you say, Derek Amercon, Yeah, Mark amcconwy porter, will you

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<v Speaker 2>hop on the micro quick and remind Tony what our

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<v Speaker 2>official stances on our radio show about nepotism. Please not

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<v Speaker 1>that's just our opinion. I can't I kid marks the

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<v Speaker 2>Derek's a star. Yeah, that's awesome. Good to hear, huge star.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we move off the bees, give me the

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<v Speaker 1>pitch man. Let's get people out this week. I I

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<v Speaker 2>Five dollars tickets on Sunday. We're going back to nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety four. Five dollars tickets. Unbelievable, like concession items that

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<v Speaker 2>the week that you're going to want to take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of with that wonderful tributes all week, iconic members that'll

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<v Speaker 2>join us and be a part of that. Friday Night's

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<v Speaker 2>gold Golden Night. And I know that this is one

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big one in the fight against childhood cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>And so that night you get fireworks after the game,

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<v Speaker 2>kids get to run the bases after the game. On Friday,

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday and Sunday, you know, fireworks on Friday and Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>You know everything that you're going to want to have,

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<v Speaker 2>all the feels that made this place so special, You're

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<v Speaker 2>I was putting together some different videos and just wonderful tributes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know, at your last chance to get there

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<v Speaker 2>to catch a B's game, whether you started there with

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the trappers, or let's say go back to

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<v Speaker 2>the goals. My favorite part is talking to every person

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<v Speaker 2>giving me It's always a family story. My grandpa, my dad,

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<v Speaker 2>my mom, this that, and there was this game. They

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<v Speaker 2>don't remember the score, they don't remember this, they don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe they remember one player in one moment, but they

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<v Speaker 2>never forgot the foam finger or the foul ball. There's

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<v Speaker 2>always something there and I just I think that's what

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was, and you referenced, you referenced, go

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<v Speaker 2>Golden Knight. So the fight against childhood cancer.

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<v Speaker 1>And I just had my twenty one years man twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one year but I remember, thank you very much. I

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<v Speaker 2>He was like, you're gonna die.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a brain tumor or you're dying, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>so I can remember during my recovery walking up and

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, what this five year old? Yeah, he is in

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<v Speaker 1>And I can remember in the in the room next

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<v Speaker 1>to me when I was in physical therapy, literally relearning

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<v Speaker 2>A mom. It's hard to talk about him.

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<v Speaker 1>Mom would come in the room every night and pray

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<v Speaker 1>with her son, and he was twelve years old and

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<v Speaker 1>his name was Nate. And I remember listening to her

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<v Speaker 1>to his mother pray with him every night. At the

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<v Speaker 1>could't operate on. It's just whatever we can do societally

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely applaud that. So where's the best place tell

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<v Speaker 1>him for people to get tickets?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, SLBs dot com, that's where you're want to go.

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<v Speaker 2>SLBs dot com. Amazing discounts, very valued pricing. Take advantage

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<v Speaker 2>of all of that. And I've been telling people, don't

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<v Speaker 2>multiple times. Every Night's gonna look and sound and feel

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<v Speaker 1>So all right, good stuff. So head over to the

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<v Speaker 1>Bees playing baseball in Salt Lake. Let's move over to

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<v Speaker 1>the Utes. But before we get there, because you just

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<v Speaker 1>jarred something in my mind. It really is. It's one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that as I age and as I

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<v Speaker 1>continue to be involved in the world of sports, I

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<v Speaker 1>try to have perspective on it's very much a zero

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, Big d Big Dave. He's getting a

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<v Speaker 1>said goodbye to my grandpa, and we have this book

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<v Speaker 1>that was put together for all the grandkids and all

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures. It's me and my grandpa golfing, It's me

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<v Speaker 2>It's me and my grandpa to BYU game. He was

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<v Speaker 1>And then the generational connection between my grandpa and my

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<v Speaker 1>in New York. On a Jets games, Yankee game, nick game,

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<v Speaker 1>loving it. I walked through the tailgate the other day

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<v Speaker 1>for it was prior to the Utah SUU game, and

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<v Speaker 1>very extensive. They did the prep, they're barbecuing that drinks

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven, and then I'm seeing I met his son,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I met his grandsons, and they're all there

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<v Speaker 1>at the Utah football game tailgating prior to the kick.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know the deal.

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<v Speaker 1>When you get into the job, you know, you kind

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<v Speaker 1>so to be reminded of really what it's all about.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the stories that you get at the ballpark

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<v Speaker 1>of people talking about generations of baseball fans going over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, walking through a tailgate of Utah football where

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<v Speaker 1>you meet the patriarch of the whole situation who's been

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<v Speaker 1>going a Utah football game since nineteen forty seven, passing

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<v Speaker 1>on to his kid, who's now passed it on to

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<v Speaker 1>his sons. Oh man, that it reminds you, like we

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<v Speaker 1>like you don't matter, like there's too many other things

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, because what you really are in love with

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<v Speaker 2>is the emotions you feel in the connection with Michigan

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<v Speaker 2>winning the national title last year. The connection I have

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<v Speaker 2>with that with my mom because we'd watch clubs games

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<v Speaker 2>in the afternoon summertime, during the day, well in the fall,

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday and Sunday mornings. I would kind of take care

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<v Speaker 2>and I would kind of have to take care of myself,

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<v Speaker 2>and we'd watch football together. And I learned the game

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<v Speaker 2>initially through Michigan football and her the cool song, cool helmet,

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<v Speaker 2>cool everything. Oh my gosh, that was our team. They

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<v Speaker 2>were the first team on a lot of times. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's so much wrapped into that, and then it comes

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<v Speaker 2>into my brother and it just expands out. It has

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with Elvis Gerbach or Desmond Howard, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was the memory and the excitement and all

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<v Speaker 2>of those moments that we lived through. Charles Woods and

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<v Speaker 2>soaring through the air, picking off the pass in the

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<v Speaker 2>end zone, and the Rose Bowl. It's the way my

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<v Speaker 2>end zone against Notre Dame in nineteen ninety seven, and

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<v Speaker 2>the celebration in our living room. It's that stuff right there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's that it's watching her joy and excitement. So you

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<v Speaker 2>as a fan, whether it's going to the ballpark, whether

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<v Speaker 2>it's the fan of the utes and all that, what

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<v Speaker 2>and and that is a fabric of what makes this

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<v Speaker 2>more of that instead of some of the toxicity that

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<v Speaker 2>comes with sports. Especially now you know where I fill

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<v Speaker 2>in on radio and do that and do more play

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<v Speaker 2>by play. I've been able to really absorb more into

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<v Speaker 2>It hits you in the heart.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it hits you when you've grown up going

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<v Speaker 1>grandfather and all these all these games, and it's ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it is the toy Isle. But it's a

424
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<v Speaker 1>it's a it's a great way to connect generation after generation.

425
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<v Speaker 1>We'll do a let's do a big college football segment

426
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<v Speaker 1>coming up next. I want to do some Utah football.

427
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<v Speaker 1>I want to do some b YU football, some Big

428
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<v Speaker 1>twelve stuff. We got a couple of minutes here, so

429
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<v Speaker 1>let's do a scoch of jazz basketball. A scosh tony,

430
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<v Speaker 1>just a scosh Okay. So Bowler rolled in the studio

431
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<v Speaker 1>last week. Craig and Gordon come on the show once

432
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<v Speaker 1>a week for an hour. Call it the Big Show,

433
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<v Speaker 1>Big Hour. It's fun to be reunited with those guys.

434
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<v Speaker 1>And bless his heart, we were going over the depth

435
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<v Speaker 1>chart and I was asking him what he's watching out for,

436
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<v Speaker 1>and as he was naming the names of the players

437
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<v Speaker 1>most likely in the rotation, I'm just like, well, good

438
00:18:29.279 --> 00:18:32.000
<v Speaker 1>luck calling those games foul. So I mean, look, ultimately,

439
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<v Speaker 1>we all know the deal, okay. And as I was

440
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<v Speaker 1>saying you off air, Danny Ainge has a track record.

441
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<v Speaker 1>Danny does not need me to stand up for him.

442
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<v Speaker 2>Okay.

443
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<v Speaker 1>His resume is out there, you can go look at it.

444
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<v Speaker 1>And the fact of the matter is things like this

445
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<v Speaker 1>take time. Here's the issue, Tony, as I see it,

446
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<v Speaker 1>Vegas over underwins right now in the NBA in the

447
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<v Speaker 1>Western Conference, because you remember we were both working over

448
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<v Speaker 1>there during the Mitchell Gobert, Quinn, Dennis Lindsay ingles like

449
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<v Speaker 1>that whole thing. And so the walking line at the

450
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<v Speaker 1>time was, we hope we're in a spot to capitalize

451
00:19:07.640 --> 00:19:12.000
<v Speaker 1>on a window that opens when Golden State is kind

452
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<v Speaker 1>of done and Lebron is a little bit older, and

453
00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:18.079
<v Speaker 1>maybe Kawhi has aged out. Like when that happens, we

454
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<v Speaker 1>hope to be in the spot to be the team

455
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<v Speaker 1>with the players in their prime to maybe win something special. Yeah,

456
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<v Speaker 1>now here's the issue, Vegas over underwins. OKC one, Minnesota two.

457
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<v Speaker 1>You're looking at this point, Dallas three. Let's see here, Pelicans, Kings,

458
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<v Speaker 1>Grizzlies with jaw back, and then you get into there's

459
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<v Speaker 1>the Kings, then it's the Lakers, then it's the war

460
00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:47.720
<v Speaker 1>excuse me, the Suns. Then it's the Lakers, and it's

461
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<v Speaker 1>the Warriors, and then it's the Spurs, then it's the Rockets,

462
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<v Speaker 1>and the final two the only two teams that are

463
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<v Speaker 1>not thought to be close to competing for a playoff

464
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<v Speaker 1>spot in the West are the Jazz and the Trailblazer.

465
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<v Speaker 2>Those are the only two.

466
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<v Speaker 1>Bad quote unquote bad teams according to what the odds

467
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<v Speaker 1>tell us in the Western Conference. Here's where the issue

468
00:20:07.319 --> 00:20:12.160
<v Speaker 1>comes in. Okac is not going anywhere forever. They're awesome,

469
00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:15.440
<v Speaker 1>and they're young. Jokic still in his twenties. Michael Porter

470
00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>Junior is still young. Jamal Murray if you can get

471
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<v Speaker 1>back like Denver still has a runway of four or

472
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<v Speaker 1>five years, sodas Minnesota, you can make an argument that

473
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<v Speaker 1>the Pelicans do that.

474
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<v Speaker 2>The Kings do so.

475
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<v Speaker 1>Now the seven of the eight top teams in the

476
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<v Speaker 1>West are better than the Jazz, and they're also young.

477
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<v Speaker 1>So the window and this is kind of how you

478
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<v Speaker 1>have to view the whole thing in pro basketball.

479
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<v Speaker 2>When will a window open?

480
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<v Speaker 1>And can we formulate our roster construction to be there

481
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<v Speaker 1>when that window opens. Now, the windows like seven or

482
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<v Speaker 1>eight years away, barring something completely unforeseen, I just don't

483
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<v Speaker 1>see the direction forward to serious competition Tony anytime soon.

484
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<v Speaker 2>If it is so, First of all, you're right, there

485
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<v Speaker 2>is a Danny Ainges playing the long game. You don't

486
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<v Speaker 2>have to be okay with it. I've also said you

487
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<v Speaker 2>don't have to pour money into it as a fan.

488
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't want to, that is your chance. That

489
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<v Speaker 2>is your choice. You are not any less of a

490
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<v Speaker 2>fan if you don't. By the way, if you say cool,

491
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<v Speaker 2>I'll wait for the long game and I'll put my

492
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<v Speaker 2>money into it. When things seem to be more of

493
00:21:16.039 --> 00:21:17.759
<v Speaker 2>the approach that this team is a threat, there's nothing

494
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<v Speaker 2>wrong with that as a fan, nothing wrong with that.

495
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<v Speaker 2>This can't be a process though, where you just simply

496
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<v Speaker 2>wait for everyone else to get worse. So is that

497
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<v Speaker 2>kind of is the described way that you're talking about.

498
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<v Speaker 2>That can't be it. Well, you have to believe in

499
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<v Speaker 2>is your ability to identify the best players that make

500
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<v Speaker 2>the difference between being good, respectable, threatening, and elite eventually. Now,

501
00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:40.599
<v Speaker 2>they believed in that process before Danny ageed it, and

502
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.799
<v Speaker 2>he was right, Tatum Brown, we can go on and

503
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<v Speaker 2>on and on with the other names. And they threatened

504
00:21:46.200 --> 00:21:47.759
<v Speaker 2>for a good number of years. Now that was a

505
00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:51.000
<v Speaker 2>twelve year process, and for the first four years, I

506
00:21:51.039 --> 00:21:54.400
<v Speaker 2>want to say, not a whole heck of a lot happening. Remember,

507
00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.240
<v Speaker 2>they flushed out, they got a bunch of picks, they

508
00:21:57.240 --> 00:22:01.519
<v Speaker 2>started over. Okay, the payoff is is a ring and

509
00:22:01.599 --> 00:22:04.319
<v Speaker 2>maybe more. I don't know if it's gonna take twelve.

510
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:05.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it's gonna take eight. I don't

511
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<v Speaker 2>know if it's gonna take I don't know. But what

512
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<v Speaker 2>I do know is they have a belief in their

513
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<v Speaker 2>ability with the process to identify those players, get them

514
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<v Speaker 2>in and create the situation and the circumstance that gives

515
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<v Speaker 2>them that championship level success. He has the track record

516
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<v Speaker 2>to prove it, but what it takes is time. Because

517
00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.039
<v Speaker 2>what he did in Boston by quickly making trades and

518
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<v Speaker 2>then winning the title in eight, he did it that way.

519
00:22:28.480 --> 00:22:30.079
<v Speaker 2>I think it's gonna be tougher to do something like

520
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<v Speaker 2>that in sul Lake City. With this, with free agency

521
00:22:32.160 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 2>and all that, I think you're gonna have to go

522
00:22:33.640 --> 00:22:35.559
<v Speaker 2>with your draft. You're gonna have to go with your guys.

523
00:22:35.839 --> 00:22:38.279
<v Speaker 2>You're gonna have to be very selective, and you have

524
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:41.240
<v Speaker 2>got to hit more than you miss because you're not

525
00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:43.119
<v Speaker 2>gonna bat a thousand. But you gotta kind of be

526
00:22:43.160 --> 00:22:45.759
<v Speaker 2>Reggie Jackson. When you barrel one up, you really barrel

527
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<v Speaker 2>one up. And Danny ain't just proven that while he

528
00:22:49.240 --> 00:22:51.799
<v Speaker 2>does not bat a thousand, he can have more strikes

529
00:22:51.839 --> 00:22:54.720
<v Speaker 2>than he does gutters, And so that's what this is

530
00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.039
<v Speaker 2>that we and I love that you've just been very

531
00:22:57.039 --> 00:23:00.680
<v Speaker 2>honest about what this is, so you as a fan,

532
00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:03.079
<v Speaker 2>you don't have to be okay with it now, but

533
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.000
<v Speaker 2>at least be honest with what it could pay off

534
00:23:05.000 --> 00:23:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to be later. Yeah.

535
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<v Speaker 1>So in the immediate now, no no, yeah, no, well

536
00:23:09.240 --> 00:23:12.599
<v Speaker 1>well said, so the hope, the sincere hope, truly, And

537
00:23:12.920 --> 00:23:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I don't really know that I'm ready to emphatically anoint

538
00:23:16.559 --> 00:23:19.960
<v Speaker 1>or dismiss in any of these young players. Does Cody

539
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:23.680
<v Speaker 1>get stronger, quicker? Is he able to take contact? Can

540
00:23:23.680 --> 00:23:25.400
<v Speaker 1>he score on all three levels? Does he look like

541
00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:29.400
<v Speaker 1>a promising young player? Does keyante? He had the Countess stuff.

542
00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:31.160
<v Speaker 1>We won't do a lot of time on this Countes stuff.

543
00:23:31.240 --> 00:23:32.839
<v Speaker 1>Is really interesting to me because there are moments where

544
00:23:32.839 --> 00:23:34.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, yeah, all right, that's real, right, and then

545
00:23:34.759 --> 00:23:36.200
<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of moments where I'm just like,

546
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that he can run a team, at

547
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:42.079
<v Speaker 1>least at this age, has not shown his ability to

548
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:44.680
<v Speaker 1>be a leade guard. Does he show that ability this year?

549
00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.640
<v Speaker 1>Here's what you got? You got marketing and he's awesome? Okay, Yeah,

550
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.960
<v Speaker 1>so he's the one you found throughout the course of

551
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.279
<v Speaker 1>everything you gave up. And I've always been the one

552
00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:54.519
<v Speaker 1>guy yelling into the void about the go bear deal. Okay,

553
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:56.319
<v Speaker 1>because I saw Rudy impact winning here in a way

554
00:23:56.319 --> 00:23:59.680
<v Speaker 1>that he's impacted in Minnesota. And yes, they got a haul,

555
00:23:59.759 --> 00:24:01.880
<v Speaker 1>but does that turn into and we still don't know?

556
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:04.359
<v Speaker 2>So do we see something.

557
00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Excuse me, that we're not expecting from an Isaiah Collier?

558
00:24:08.960 --> 00:24:11.079
<v Speaker 1>You get my point? Like, does one of the young

559
00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:12.680
<v Speaker 1>players popping away we're not expecting.

560
00:24:12.839 --> 00:24:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's something that can happen, will eventually happen.

561
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:18.759
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're gonna have progress. The key point is

562
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:21.200
<v Speaker 2>how much progress do you have with some of those guys?

563
00:24:21.279 --> 00:24:24.920
<v Speaker 2>And what will happen with Danny Ainge is I do

564
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:28.000
<v Speaker 2>believe there's a shorter release than people would think. With him.

565
00:24:28.039 --> 00:24:29.920
<v Speaker 2>It's a hell yes or it's a no. And I

566
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.200
<v Speaker 2>do think fans should like that because he is quick

567
00:24:32.240 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 2>to make those moves. You you were the first to

568
00:24:33.759 --> 00:24:35.599
<v Speaker 2>point that out when he first arrived. You were like,

569
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:37.640
<v Speaker 2>this is what's great about this. If he sees it's

570
00:24:37.680 --> 00:24:39.880
<v Speaker 2>not gonna work, he's moving right away. He's moving. He's

571
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:41.799
<v Speaker 2>not playing the Dante ex them. Hey, let's say, you know,

572
00:24:41.839 --> 00:24:43.720
<v Speaker 2>I'll see how this and you know he's so young

573
00:24:43.759 --> 00:24:45.680
<v Speaker 2>and he's so and it just it's the same story.

574
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 2>It's the same crap. It's a different typer and it's

575
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:49.880
<v Speaker 2>over and over. No, no, no, no, no, it is Is

576
00:24:49.920 --> 00:24:52.599
<v Speaker 2>this getting us where we want to go? No? Out?

577
00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.079
<v Speaker 2>Can this get us where we want to go? Yes,

578
00:24:55.599 --> 00:24:58.119
<v Speaker 2>let's continue to process and develop. We're not gonna hang

579
00:24:58.119 --> 00:24:59.519
<v Speaker 2>on to Alec Burks longer than we should. We're not

580
00:24:59.559 --> 00:25:01.839
<v Speaker 2>gonna hang on to Dante Exe long ember should. And

581
00:25:01.920 --> 00:25:07.559
<v Speaker 2>so that it sounds ruthless, it sounds like incredibly I

582
00:25:07.559 --> 00:25:10.319
<v Speaker 2>don't want to say small money, like somebody would think. Man,

583
00:25:10.319 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 2>that's so impatient. You're in a league where you can't wait.

584
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:15.079
<v Speaker 2>You can wait and play the long game with the

585
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.200
<v Speaker 2>big picture to win the title. But you can't play

586
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.359
<v Speaker 2>the long game with something that you don't see getting

587
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:21.920
<v Speaker 2>good enough fast enough. And he has to be able

588
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:24.039
<v Speaker 2>to believe that he can identify what that is, know

589
00:25:24.119 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 2>one he's wrong when he's wrong, and move Danny Ainge.

590
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:28.880
<v Speaker 2>I give him a lot of credit. He's been that

591
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.400
<v Speaker 2>way his whole career, and he's going to be that

592
00:25:30.440 --> 00:25:30.839
<v Speaker 2>way with this.

593
00:25:30.960 --> 00:25:35.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Danny understands sun cost fallacy unlike almost any other NBAHM.

594
00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 1>When it's time to move on, it's time to move on.

595
00:25:38.039 --> 00:25:40.759
<v Speaker 1>I do wonder what this means for Will Hardy, who's

596
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>in year three, who is a very proud guy who

597
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.519
<v Speaker 1>wants to win basketball games. But he's being paid handsomely.

598
00:25:46.559 --> 00:25:49.000
<v Speaker 1>He's obviously part of the plan. I just have a

599
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:52.200
<v Speaker 1>hard time seeing this turn into anything really exciting anytime soon.

600
00:25:52.319 --> 00:25:54.200
<v Speaker 2>I hope that they can give him what he needs

601
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>going for because I do believe culturally he's doing a

602
00:25:56.480 --> 00:25:58.559
<v Speaker 2>lot of great things. I do believe systematically, I think

603
00:25:58.599 --> 00:26:00.640
<v Speaker 2>he's a great basketball mind. I'm not just saying this

604
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.240
<v Speaker 2>because I've had a chance to watch it up close

605
00:26:02.279 --> 00:26:04.920
<v Speaker 2>and see what's developing. I hope that they can say, hey,

606
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:06.799
<v Speaker 2>you've been a part of this process as we were

607
00:26:06.839 --> 00:26:08.839
<v Speaker 2>going through the pain tolerance. He deserves to be a

608
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:10.559
<v Speaker 2>part of the process to give it a chance to

609
00:26:10.599 --> 00:26:11.319
<v Speaker 2>see them thrive.

610
00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:14.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's hope you gets some players, because there's a

611
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.599
<v Speaker 1>reason he wanted them to trade for Dame Liller.

612
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you that all right.

613
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617
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618
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619
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623
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624
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<v Speaker 1>right here on ESPN seven hundred, Tony parks live in

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<v Speaker 1>two home stands as well their final home stand of

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<v Speaker 1>the season. Porter laughs at me because I Ron Burgundy

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<v Speaker 1>my reads. If it's on the script, I'm gonna read it.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get Tony's mikel when we have a chance. September

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<v Speaker 1>way through Sunday. So one last foray for the Bees

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<v Speaker 1>here in the Capitol City. Real quick, Tony, what's your

651
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<v Speaker 1>opinion on I caught some because during cross talk with

652
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<v Speaker 1>Sean Sean O'Connell's hosting our midday show now, he was

653
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<v Speaker 1>giving away Disney on Ice tickets and he said something

654
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<v Speaker 1>along the lines of, well, if you have kids, this

655
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<v Speaker 1>will be great. Then he said, well, even if you

656
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<v Speaker 1>don't have kids, you should go. That's a whole lot

657
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<v Speaker 1>of second And I was too aggressive with my opinion,

658
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<v Speaker 1>as you know me, as I want to do from

659
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<v Speaker 1>time to time. I guess this is where I'll settle

660
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<v Speaker 1>on it because I was a little aggressive earlier. I

661
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<v Speaker 1>don't fully understand Disney adults, like, like, you don't have kids,

662
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.000
<v Speaker 1>and you're calling up your group of friends and you're like, dude,

663
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<v Speaker 1>what are you doing the third week of October?

664
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<v Speaker 2>Let's roll to Disney for like a week.

665
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<v Speaker 1>Bro, Let's crush a little small world to top on space,

666
00:28:43.599 --> 00:28:47.799
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I mean. I'm not judging, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just not my thing. And I am a father,

668
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<v Speaker 1>as you know, and I've had wonderful times with my son,

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<v Speaker 1>my young son, at Disney World and on Disney cruises.

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<v Speaker 1>But the way I phrased it earlier, I caught some pushback.

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<v Speaker 1>People are saying that I was being too harsh. What's

672
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<v Speaker 1>your not not on adult that likes Disney movies? What's

673
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<v Speaker 1>your opinion on adult who multiple times a year spends

674
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<v Speaker 1>thousands of dollars with his or her friends to take

675
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<v Speaker 1>week long vacations at Disney resorts without children.

676
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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I am not a hater on Disney adult fan,

677
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<v Speaker 2>I'm not. I'm not no hate, I'm not. But you

678
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<v Speaker 2>better get out of the way when something for the

679
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<v Speaker 2>kids ever comes up, and you better let them have

680
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<v Speaker 2>the front row seat, and you better let them go first,

681
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<v Speaker 2>and you better make it about them. But you ever

682
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<v Speaker 2>take too long with I don't care if it's a

683
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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars character or or if it's Rapunzel or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>you better make sure that it is first and foremost

685
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<v Speaker 2>for them, because that's who this is for. So Nat

686
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.960
<v Speaker 2>and I did Disney on nice once. We ended up

687
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<v Speaker 2>getting tickets and it was just her and I and

688
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<v Speaker 2>it also was shortly, probably three months after our oldest

689
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<v Speaker 2>daughter was more and so there was there was a

690
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<v Speaker 2>little more to it, you know, And so we went

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<v Speaker 2>and I remember being there with my wife and the

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<v Speaker 2>first thing we did, I mean, all these families have

693
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<v Speaker 2>all these little kids, and our seats were supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>be at the front row of this suite and we

695
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<v Speaker 2>were like, huh uh, all the kids go up there.

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<v Speaker 2>And we sat back on the barstools and you know,

697
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<v Speaker 2>sat up at the table and had a good time.

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<v Speaker 2>But we made sure every prize that was given out

699
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<v Speaker 2>we gave it to one of them. Like anything that

700
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<v Speaker 2>was given Ah, it is for them. So as long

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<v Speaker 2>as you keep that part in mind. I'm all about I.

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<v Speaker 2>I I not for me, Like I'm not dropping a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch of money on Disney. My sister's big Disney adult fan.

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<v Speaker 2>And now she you know, she has a daughter and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and so it's great. But I'm not a hater on them.

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<v Speaker 2>But just make sure you don't impede on any child's experience.

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<v Speaker 1>If there's limited tickets, they get the ticket. Okay, it's

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<v Speaker 1>good life advice. Ye, it's a much more serious tone

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<v Speaker 1>than I was expecting. Bro, I'll meet you at Dumbo,

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00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:51.920
<v Speaker 1>the Dumbo ride, and then let's hit up Pirates and

711
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>go to the Jungle Crew like you know what I mean. Yes,

712
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:57.440
<v Speaker 1>it's so expensive. You could do others anyway off my

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<v Speaker 1>soapbut not for me.

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<v Speaker 2>Not for me either. Tell Parks live in studio.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, we had some time here, so let's seek

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<v Speaker 1>into some college football storylines. And I gotta say, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I think Isaac Wilson answered a lot of questions on Saturday.

718
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<v Speaker 1>We learned the lesson around here last year of what

719
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it can look like not just without your starter, but

720
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<v Speaker 1>without your backup. Cam was hurt last year, so was

721
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<v Speaker 1>Brandon Rose. And I said after the Baylor game, I said, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaac's the two. You know, you guys know your team

723
00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:26.039
<v Speaker 1>way better than any of us do. So Isaac's the two.

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<v Speaker 1>If he's the two, it had to look better than

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<v Speaker 1>it did against Baylor. Now, Dave Randa, as we all

726
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:35.119
<v Speaker 1>know around here, is a defensive savant. I mean, that's

727
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<v Speaker 1>how he's made his way in the business. So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure Baylor schematically was something that Isaac wasn't used to.

729
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<v Speaker 1>But Utah State up in Logan is probably the most

730
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<v Speaker 1>hostile environment that young man's ever played in front of.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, corner cannon get some big crowds, but I

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<v Speaker 2>was proud of a man.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he stepped up. I thought he met the moment.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he answered a lot of questions. What do

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<v Speaker 1>you make of what we saw from Isaac on Saturday?

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<v Speaker 2>Isaac Wilson is much better than most true freshman quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>and by a mile by the way, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>get xp and atually better as the year goes on.

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<v Speaker 2>The question is how good is he going to get

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<v Speaker 2>and how fast? And which games are going to be

741
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<v Speaker 2>the ones where the wheels wobble at all where you know,

742
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 2>film crew or scouts try to catch up to him

743
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:15.680
<v Speaker 2>from each team, right, that being coaching staffs when they're

744
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:19.359
<v Speaker 2>preparing for him. But the big one for this Saturday,

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00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.160
<v Speaker 2>the big question is Okay, Isaac Wilson will kind of

746
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<v Speaker 2>jump is he going to take? I think this game

747
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:23.599
<v Speaker 2>is going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Be decided by the offensive line of Utah playing and simple.

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<v Speaker 2>This is a Kyle Whittingham game on Saturday. This isn't

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<v Speaker 2>an Isac Wilson game. This is a Kyle Whittingham game.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where your team is coming along, right. They're

752
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 2>taking quality strides. And I give this team some credit

753
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>as some Kyle Whittingham teams in some of these recent

754
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.519
<v Speaker 2>previous years kind of started a bit slow, like maybe

755
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<v Speaker 2>got away with the win where they didn't play all

756
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.559
<v Speaker 2>that well slow start to that game against Utah State,

757
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:51.359
<v Speaker 2>But those last three quarters I really liked the way

758
00:32:51.359 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>the od line grinded and the way they started pushing bodies,

759
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:56.799
<v Speaker 2>the way they started executing, the way they started smashing.

760
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<v Speaker 2>If they play like that, in this game, but they

761
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.000
<v Speaker 2>got it do it for four quarters. If they win

762
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:04.720
<v Speaker 2>it up front, especially against the way they line up defensively,

763
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.559
<v Speaker 2>they get to dictate the terms. Life is much easier

764
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<v Speaker 2>on Isaac Wilson and suddenly Utah with Kyle Whittingham, who

765
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<v Speaker 2>knows how to get the best out of what any

766
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<v Speaker 2>situation happens to be. If that happens, they win this game,

767
00:33:16.559 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 2>this type of game. There's so many games people are

768
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna remember about Kyle Whittingham, and they're gonna remember the

769
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<v Speaker 2>Sugar Bowl, and they're gonna remember some, you know, landmark victories.

770
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<v Speaker 2>To me, it's the at Washington State a few years

771
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<v Speaker 2>ago where you find out your starting quarterback's not gonna

772
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<v Speaker 2>play and you find a way to win. It's the

773
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<v Speaker 2>home against USC where you're down big like that you

774
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<v Speaker 2>find a way to win. It's the Travis Wilson at

775
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<v Speaker 2>home against USC where you barely score anything on offense,

776
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<v Speaker 2>but you keep it close and you win at the

777
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<v Speaker 2>end USC last year. I know I'm just pointing out

778
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<v Speaker 2>USC games, but there's several of them that we can

779
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.079
<v Speaker 2>go to where it's like, man, oh, they won that game,

780
00:33:53.519 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>the hell of a job and you look at the

781
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:58.119
<v Speaker 2>work of coaching and some of the guys that come

782
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:00.599
<v Speaker 2>through and help you in the win at home against

783
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.319
<v Speaker 2>BYU in twenty twelve, it was the field storming game.

784
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:05.920
<v Speaker 2>That was a Kyle Whitningham game. Your longest drives for

785
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:09.000
<v Speaker 2>a touchdown were seventeen yards and thirty nine yards. You

786
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<v Speaker 2>found a way to win with John Hayes Like that

787
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<v Speaker 2>was dude, that was some work.

788
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it's interesting. I was thinking about this through

789
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<v Speaker 1>the prism like I'm watching Chiefs Bengals, and I'm like,

790
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<v Speaker 1>Chiefs will figure it out. They're gonna win somehow, someway right,

791
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<v Speaker 1>And I never fully and you probably experienced the same

792
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<v Speaker 1>thing because on Saturday, I said this on Friday, that

793
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<v Speaker 1>Utah State game had some of the tricky dynamics of

794
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<v Speaker 1>what an upset game could encapsulate. And I say this

795
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:40.840
<v Speaker 1>every Monday. One of the reasons I love college football

796
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:43.679
<v Speaker 1>so much is the unpredictable nature of it, and really

797
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:47.800
<v Speaker 1>good teams get got every week, and Utah rarely gets

798
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.280
<v Speaker 1>got in a scenario where they're not supposed to lose,

799
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<v Speaker 1>so unless there is a cataclysmic injury situation like there

800
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<v Speaker 1>was a year ago, which made last year a moot point.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even reference it. It's a miracle they got

802
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 1>to eight. I thought that was a great coaching job.

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<v Speaker 1>More often than not, when Utah football is supposed to

804
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<v Speaker 1>win a game, they win a game. He very rarely

805
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<v Speaker 1>gets God when he's not supposed to get got So

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<v Speaker 1>I view Saturday ultimately as a massive success because you

807
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<v Speaker 1>handled your business and it was never fully uncomfortable.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they go down fourteen to three.

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<v Speaker 1>But I always get such a kick out of football

810
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<v Speaker 1>fans who in the first and second quarter are tweeting

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<v Speaker 1>like they're about to jump off their roof.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's the first quarter. You can't be up

813
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<v Speaker 2>a million to three after one. Like, give it some time.

814
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<v Speaker 2>Just see Bears fans in the city. Oh sure, they're sure.

815
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<v Speaker 1>But it was a combination of to your point, just

816
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<v Speaker 1>a do your job work ethic coach, wit win. Okay,

817
00:35:44.000 --> 00:35:46.559
<v Speaker 1>let's not get got here, let's not get let's not

818
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<v Speaker 1>get stung by an end state team. When a lot

819
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<v Speaker 1>of their players probably want to play for Utah. You

820
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<v Speaker 1>know they're going to show up against a CFP contender

821
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<v Speaker 1>to put good tape out there, and some of them

822
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<v Speaker 1>did for their pro careers, like, let's not get God here.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's simply put showing up getting to win when

824
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<v Speaker 1>it never was fully in doubt, it just wasn't. But

825
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<v Speaker 1>then to know, because look, Tony, I know you're not

826
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<v Speaker 1>a gambler, but if I called you, I said, hey,

827
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<v Speaker 1>you have no choice but to put the Tony Park

828
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<v Speaker 1>paycheck from any of your seventy million jobs on the line.

829
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<v Speaker 1>And the bet is will came rising play every game

830
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<v Speaker 1>this season. Who is going to bet on that? Like,

831
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<v Speaker 1>I don't want him to get hurt, and we want

832
00:36:26.559 --> 00:36:28.960
<v Speaker 1>to see camp play all year. But I think it's

833
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<v Speaker 1>fair to say that there's a really good chance that

834
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<v Speaker 1>Utah is going to need Isaac in a pretty tricky

835
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<v Speaker 1>spot in conference play because what's the confidence level the

836
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:40.559
<v Speaker 1>Cameron's just going to be under center all year.

837
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:42.199
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to have that right now. No, it really

838
00:36:42.239 --> 00:36:44.159
<v Speaker 2>is hard to have that. So you need Isaac to

839
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.480
<v Speaker 2>just continue to progress. And I love this kid. I

840
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:49.599
<v Speaker 2>love the first time I ever saw Isaac Wilson. He's

841
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:52.079
<v Speaker 2>playing in a game against Loan Peak and this is

842
00:36:52.119 --> 00:36:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a sophomore game, so by no means it says varsity whatever,

843
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:57.840
<v Speaker 2>he's a freshman. It's early in the season and he

844
00:36:58.599 --> 00:37:01.639
<v Speaker 2>throws a really bad interception before halftime, and I mean,

845
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:03.559
<v Speaker 2>the coaching staff is just all over him. I mean,

846
00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>he was okay to be coached hard, and he took

847
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:08.480
<v Speaker 2>it on the chin and he owned it. He came

848
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.440
<v Speaker 2>out in the second half, they were down like seventeen

849
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>eight minutes to go, and he rallied him back to

850
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.599
<v Speaker 2>win that game, and he made throws that were just insane.

851
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.960
<v Speaker 2>And I remember being like, this dude is tough. His

852
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.480
<v Speaker 2>name Wilson sling it, oh Man, no doubt about that.

853
00:37:20.559 --> 00:37:24.039
<v Speaker 2>As a Jets I watched him from each piece of

854
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>that not just grow a little bit, but grow so fast,

855
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.119
<v Speaker 2>so quickly. And I understand college football is a different deal.

856
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:32.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying a sophomore high school experience is truly

857
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>what's going to represent his whole college career, but his

858
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.320
<v Speaker 2>mindset and also where he comes from in a family

859
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:40.400
<v Speaker 2>that has played at high levels. You can see that

860
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:42.679
<v Speaker 2>he absorbs things quite quickly. And then you have a

861
00:37:42.719 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>coaching staff who's great at managing problem solving. And Jason

862
00:37:47.679 --> 00:37:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Bennetti said it last year in that game against the USC,

863
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Is there a program that's better a problem solving. No,

864
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:55.039
<v Speaker 2>there's not. So then you have all these ingredients with

865
00:37:55.119 --> 00:37:57.679
<v Speaker 2>a chance for him to excel. I'm not saying he's

866
00:37:57.679 --> 00:37:59.440
<v Speaker 2>going to hit all American level this next week, but

867
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I think he'll take a very good stride forward. And

868
00:38:02.440 --> 00:38:04.599
<v Speaker 2>if that offensive line can play like they did during

869
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:06.760
<v Speaker 2>those final three weeks, I think they have a chance

870
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.000
<v Speaker 2>to have a great victory in Stillwater. Now, there's still

871
00:38:10.039 --> 00:38:13.559
<v Speaker 2>plenty of variables. You gotta perform right. You have to execute.

872
00:38:13.920 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 2>You can't come out there on the road and get

873
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.280
<v Speaker 2>off to a slow start. You can't feel your way

874
00:38:18.320 --> 00:38:20.960
<v Speaker 2>into this game. You can't take what the defense gives you. No,

875
00:38:21.039 --> 00:38:23.079
<v Speaker 2>you just got to go get it. And that old

876
00:38:23.119 --> 00:38:25.679
<v Speaker 2>line can make life a lot easier on a QB

877
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.159
<v Speaker 2>in Wilson, who I think has great skills and talent.

878
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:30.639
<v Speaker 2>By the way, you now have I think a great

879
00:38:30.679 --> 00:38:33.840
<v Speaker 2>weapon on third down, red zone, cold Weather another one.

880
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:36.320
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't say just one, but Loaner going up and

881
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:39.360
<v Speaker 2>getting the ball and Wilson with great touch like that's

882
00:38:39.599 --> 00:38:43.079
<v Speaker 2>that's fabulous. That's a great sign. So this is all

883
00:38:43.159 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 2>formulating and coming together. And if this is that week

884
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:48.360
<v Speaker 2>where I think they polish it for four quarters they

885
00:38:48.400 --> 00:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>win this game, and.

886
00:38:49.679 --> 00:38:51.519
<v Speaker 1>I just think it was so good for the fan

887
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>base to see a dynamic in place, and look, Oklahoma

888
00:38:55.960 --> 00:38:57.199
<v Speaker 1>State will be a different challenge.

889
00:38:57.239 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>And if Isaac has.

890
00:38:58.159 --> 00:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>To play on a random Saturday, a road game in

891
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>a hostile Big twelve environment, then we're gonna see he's

892
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:05.480
<v Speaker 1>made of because this is a different thing. I'm not

893
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 1>saying it's not, but for how bad it was last

894
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.599
<v Speaker 1>year when it was Bryce and Nate, then Nate than Bryson,

895
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.880
<v Speaker 1>then Nate and Bryson, the fact that the fans.

896
00:39:15.559 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 2>Were able to see it can look okay this year.

897
00:39:18.760 --> 00:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Even if Cam has to miss time, I think put

898
00:39:21.440 --> 00:39:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fears to bed because the dude, you

899
00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:26.960
<v Speaker 1>know the deal. The conversation for Utah football over the

900
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:30.280
<v Speaker 1>past three four weeks leading up into the season. Here

901
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.440
<v Speaker 1>Kyle say it, Here Coach lud say it, like, we

902
00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:34.480
<v Speaker 1>need Cam to be smart, we need him to show

903
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:36.639
<v Speaker 1>discretion is the better form of valor. We need him

904
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:39.280
<v Speaker 1>to throw the ball away, we need him to get down,

905
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:42.039
<v Speaker 1>we need him healthy. And he lasted a game and

906
00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:45.079
<v Speaker 1>a half and here we are again. Now it's not

907
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:46.880
<v Speaker 1>a long term thing, and we're told that he is

908
00:39:46.920 --> 00:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>going to play on Saturday.

909
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:49.599
<v Speaker 2>That's the plan against Oklahoma State.

910
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:51.519
<v Speaker 1>But the fact that it took a game and a

911
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:54.400
<v Speaker 1>half for Cameron to miss a game, not a couple

912
00:39:54.440 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 1>of snaps, not a couple of series, he missed an

913
00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.800
<v Speaker 1>entire game that, in my opinion, brant a lot of

914
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.039
<v Speaker 1>it anxiety around here, like, oh, here we go again.

915
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:05.719
<v Speaker 1>It's gonna look like it did last year. And I

916
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 1>think Tony, at least for one day, the fan base

917
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:11.360
<v Speaker 1>saw that it's not going to look like last year.

918
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:14.960
<v Speaker 2>In the event that Cam No totally agreed, because now

919
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:16.679
<v Speaker 2>you're dealing with the guy with a lot more skills,

920
00:40:17.119 --> 00:40:19.039
<v Speaker 2>and that's no slight to the guys before. It's just

921
00:40:19.079 --> 00:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>a factive. This guy has more skills. You watch the

922
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:23.159
<v Speaker 2>way he throws the ball, the different types of throws.

923
00:40:23.480 --> 00:40:25.920
<v Speaker 2>He's more polished, he's more skilled. You don't have to

924
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 2>protect yourself from him. It's not be careful Country. It's

925
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:31.320
<v Speaker 2>not John Hayes where you throw a deep once each

926
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.280
<v Speaker 2>half and then try to hand it off to John

927
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 2>White for the other you know whatever, sixty five snaps. No,

928
00:40:36.679 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 2>that's not it. The preparation is going to give a

929
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:42.519
<v Speaker 2>more skilled quarterback when he's out there, it'll be in

930
00:40:42.599 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 2>Isaac a lot more confidence on what's going on. Plus

931
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:47.159
<v Speaker 2>you have a great coach in Cam Rising who has

932
00:40:47.159 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>no reason not to help coach this guy up right,

933
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:52.519
<v Speaker 2>because when Cam is fully healthy and ready, he's the

934
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>guy that's back out there. Right. So there's a great

935
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:56.719
<v Speaker 2>amount of trust that's in this program. And I've seen

936
00:40:56.719 --> 00:40:59.599
<v Speaker 2>it ten thousand times. It's very very rare in this

937
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:03.800
<v Speaker 2>and in college football right now. With depth and experience

938
00:41:03.800 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 2>on that coaching staff that you always feel like they're

939
00:41:06.800 --> 00:41:08.800
<v Speaker 2>going to give you the very best chance possible with

940
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:10.360
<v Speaker 2>what you're working with here, and what you're working with

941
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.360
<v Speaker 2>is still very good. So I'm with you on the

942
00:41:12.679 --> 00:41:15.679
<v Speaker 2>here we go again. It's gonna get anxiety. The one

943
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.599
<v Speaker 2>thing you got to do is exhale and say, man,

944
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:20.039
<v Speaker 2>we got a great coach in place. They're gonna come

945
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:23.800
<v Speaker 2>prepared for a guy in Wilson. It's not like he's

946
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 2>coming in there. Hey, you know, this is kind of

947
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.079
<v Speaker 2>his thing. He's new. We don't really know what he's

948
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>made of.

949
00:41:28.440 --> 00:41:30.079
<v Speaker 1>No, I think we've seen some of what he's made of,

950
00:41:30.559 --> 00:41:32.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think at his very very best, he's showing

951
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.760
<v Speaker 1>you some flashes to be great and I think he's

952
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>going to show you continued flashes to be responsible.

953
00:41:36.880 --> 00:41:39.079
<v Speaker 2>The big one there, too is defense has got to

954
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:41.280
<v Speaker 2>come up with some more timely plays. The Snowden pick

955
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:43.360
<v Speaker 2>was I think as big as anything. It was awesome. Yeah,

956
00:41:43.400 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like that. I did not see a pick coming on

957
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:49.400
<v Speaker 2>that play. At best, they saw a PBu Like. The

958
00:41:49.400 --> 00:41:50.880
<v Speaker 2>guy's a hell of a player, right, I chance see

959
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:53.320
<v Speaker 2>him up close a lot. So it's some of that

960
00:41:53.440 --> 00:41:55.639
<v Speaker 2>all mixed in together to get what I think will

961
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:58.079
<v Speaker 2>be a close road victory. But I could see the

962
00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:00.159
<v Speaker 2>fan being a concern. The other thing you got to

963
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.480
<v Speaker 2>remember is be happy that you're in a conference that

964
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:05.599
<v Speaker 2>is not going to be like Oregon and Washington and

965
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:07.599
<v Speaker 2>maybe USC happened to be at the top last year,

966
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:11.519
<v Speaker 2>and you are dealing with a team that is well

967
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:13.280
<v Speaker 2>put into place to go give you a great chance

968
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the way.

969
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:16.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think there's a lot to be confident about.

970
00:42:16.280 --> 00:42:18.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I do think the next four games it's

971
00:42:18.719 --> 00:42:21.840
<v Speaker 1>not an easy task. It's Oklahoma State, it's Arizona home,

972
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.199
<v Speaker 1>then it's at Arizona State, who's been a lot better

973
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>than anybody thought. I'm a big UCF guy, but I'm

974
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 1>not super down on TCU after that great football game

975
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:34.840
<v Speaker 1>over the weekend. That's how UCF just beat them and

976
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:37.159
<v Speaker 1>the other thing. And then we'll move on because I

977
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:39.639
<v Speaker 1>have to wonder. Brock Hword hopped on the show prior

978
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.639
<v Speaker 1>to the season, and I actually heard him talking about

979
00:42:41.679 --> 00:42:44.440
<v Speaker 1>this on the Utah Baylor broadcast as well. It's not

980
00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:47.039
<v Speaker 1>a slight corner canyon. It's not a slight high school football.

981
00:42:47.400 --> 00:42:51.840
<v Speaker 1>Andy Ludwigs playbook is ten times to what you know

982
00:42:51.840 --> 00:42:54.000
<v Speaker 1>as it pertains to what Isaac Wilson has used to study.

983
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>And it's a different thing altogether. It's a different level.

984
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 1>It's more complex and nuanced. But I thought coach lud

985
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:01.679
<v Speaker 1>let him go. Look bit against Utah Stadi threw it

986
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 1>thirty three times. So I wonder, and again let's be

987
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:06.760
<v Speaker 1>clear here for people that are turning on the radio,

988
00:43:06.800 --> 00:43:09.119
<v Speaker 1>same way they're talking about Isaac Wilson playing. Now Cam

989
00:43:09.840 --> 00:43:13.679
<v Speaker 1>is expected to play on Saturday, But I wonder if

990
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.559
<v Speaker 1>Isaac needs to get back in there. Did Andy see

991
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.400
<v Speaker 1>enough from him on Saturday to continue to give him

992
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:21.840
<v Speaker 1>some freedoms to be who he is as opposed to

993
00:43:21.840 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 1>to your point, just three yards in a cloud of dust, Yeah,

994
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:24.800
<v Speaker 1>I think he has.

995
00:43:25.280 --> 00:43:26.840
<v Speaker 2>I think he has I think he has the maturity.

996
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I think he has the focus. I think he has

997
00:43:28.320 --> 00:43:31.920
<v Speaker 2>the tenacity. I think he has the responsible mindset where

998
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:35.760
<v Speaker 2>he can still play with abundance without having to be careless,

999
00:43:36.000 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 2>but yet plays with the right amount of scarcity and

1000
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.719
<v Speaker 2>understanding control and managing the game. And Kyle today was like, Okay,

1001
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:44.280
<v Speaker 2>I shouldn't use the word managing because it sounds like

1002
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:46.199
<v Speaker 2>we're trying to protect ourselves from him. But no, he

1003
00:43:46.280 --> 00:43:50.639
<v Speaker 2>understands the full sixty minutes, the ten possessions or whatever,

1004
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:54.719
<v Speaker 2>ten to twelve possessions, and he has an element to

1005
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.880
<v Speaker 2>his game that he understands how to consume the whole

1006
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:58.519
<v Speaker 2>game so well. And I know some of this is

1007
00:43:58.519 --> 00:44:00.159
<v Speaker 2>because I was so close to it for so many years,

1008
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>but I was so impressed, you know, with Zach obviously,

1009
00:44:03.360 --> 00:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and I'm impressed with Isaac in that way. I think

1010
00:44:05.760 --> 00:44:08.800
<v Speaker 2>he's well ahead of what most people in his position

1011
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>would be, and so is he finished. No, but if

1012
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:14.119
<v Speaker 2>you end up having to go to him again somewhere,

1013
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 2>because as you mentioned like that, there's an injury situation

1014
00:44:17.159 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 2>there that exists, you're not trying to speak ill of camp,

1015
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.079
<v Speaker 2>but it just is what it is. You've got a

1016
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:24.360
<v Speaker 2>lot of games left and you might need to have

1017
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.800
<v Speaker 2>this again. And when you need to go to it,

1018
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:29.440
<v Speaker 2>are you going to have Conference player of the Year

1019
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:32.280
<v Speaker 2>type performance? No? All American No, But what you will

1020
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:35.880
<v Speaker 2>have is something that you can depend on to minimize

1021
00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the gap between who your starter is and who your

1022
00:44:37.960 --> 00:44:40.480
<v Speaker 2>backup is. Because last year it was quite a drop.

1023
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:42.519
<v Speaker 1>Let me get a quick by you thought from you

1024
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:44.599
<v Speaker 1>before we catch a break for the five o'clock hour

1025
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 1>of the show. Last year, it just it was weird

1026
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:49.760
<v Speaker 1>in a lot of ways for a team whose head

1027
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 1>coach was Kolonie Satake and his defensive coordinator was Jay Hill.

1028
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:54.719
<v Speaker 1>To be I think they were last in the country

1029
00:44:54.719 --> 00:44:58.559
<v Speaker 1>in sacks. They could not pressure the quarterback. It didn't

1030
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:01.480
<v Speaker 1>look great. Keaton slow Is are fully settled in, they

1031
00:45:01.480 --> 00:45:03.440
<v Speaker 1>get off to a decent start, then they get smoked

1032
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 1>in conference play. But it was the defense that confused me.

1033
00:45:05.679 --> 00:45:09.039
<v Speaker 1>Because Klannie that's his thing. Jay Hill, that's his thing.

1034
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 1>We were talking about Dave Randa earlier. Klane cut his

1035
00:45:11.599 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 1>teeth under Kyle, so did Jay. They know the deal.

1036
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:16.840
<v Speaker 1>They know that in order to win football games, you

1037
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 1>have to be stout on that side of the ball,

1038
00:45:18.519 --> 00:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>and they are this year very stout defensively in a

1039
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 1>way that I don't think they were a year ago. Now,

1040
00:45:23.599 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of it's going to come down to Jake

1041
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:27.360
<v Speaker 1>and I'd sit down and turn on the game. He

1042
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 1>throws that early pick and I'm like, dude, what are

1043
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.920
<v Speaker 1>we doing here? I mean, a Rod last week said

1044
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>I will eliminate the turnovers form my program. As QB

1045
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:37.599
<v Speaker 1>goes out, throws an early pick and I'm like, Balhannah

1046
00:45:37.599 --> 00:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>started warming up. It was on the broadcast they started

1047
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:41.920
<v Speaker 1>warming up a hand in. I'm like, all right, they're

1048
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:43.840
<v Speaker 1>going to pull the plug. But I thought Jake, just

1049
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.880
<v Speaker 1>like Isaac, responded really well. Manson on Friday said Wyoming sucks.

1050
00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:52.719
<v Speaker 1>B why you should roll. I wasn't convinced that Wyoming sucked,

1051
00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.039
<v Speaker 1>but they suck, and by you rolled.

1052
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Give me your thoughts on by He's clean start. Well,

1053
00:45:57.599 --> 00:45:59.920
<v Speaker 2>I think Wyoming isn't very good, and I think by

1054
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:01.920
<v Speaker 2>You is going to be tested even more so here

1055
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.519
<v Speaker 2>coming up. The big thing is can you play consistently enough?

1056
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Can you stay away from some of the catastrophic mistakes

1057
00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:09.440
<v Speaker 2>that against Wyoming? You'll get away with here and there.

1058
00:46:09.519 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>Like Utah had a slow start in their game against

1059
00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Utah State, Right, you can't do that against Oklahoma State.

1060
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:16.920
<v Speaker 2>But at your best, which I think they showed during

1061
00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:19.280
<v Speaker 2>huge stretches of those final three quarters, you can dominate

1062
00:46:19.280 --> 00:46:21.920
<v Speaker 2>a team like that, and you can absolutely show the

1063
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:25.800
<v Speaker 2>fundamental sound abilities to control a game by you. I

1064
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:27.320
<v Speaker 2>still need to see more from them that they can

1065
00:46:27.360 --> 00:46:30.679
<v Speaker 2>avoid some of the catastrophic mistakes that give me belief

1066
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that they can have a much better season than I

1067
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:36.559
<v Speaker 2>had originally expected. Right, some of that is still going

1068
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:38.280
<v Speaker 2>to be a work in progress, and I think one

1069
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:41.880
<v Speaker 2>of the big questions about them at a P four level,

1070
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:44.480
<v Speaker 2>if you will, is can they get the players often

1071
00:46:44.639 --> 00:46:47.920
<v Speaker 2>enough to be that kind of program that emerges and grows. Right,

1072
00:46:47.960 --> 00:46:50.719
<v Speaker 2>there was an acclamation period for Utah to the PAC twelve,

1073
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>and that was clearly a few years there where they

1074
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:56.199
<v Speaker 2>were sub five hundred, didn't go to bulls, things like that,

1075
00:46:56.639 --> 00:46:58.519
<v Speaker 2>and then all of a sudden it was eight plus

1076
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:02.800
<v Speaker 2>wins regularly for BYU. I'm very curious about that because

1077
00:47:02.840 --> 00:47:06.039
<v Speaker 2>the acclimation period is different, because you're recruiting, your situation

1078
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:08.039
<v Speaker 2>is unique. I do think They have as good a

1079
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:10.639
<v Speaker 2>staff as you could ask for, with great abilities to

1080
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:13.320
<v Speaker 2>recruit in a variety of different ways. Now the big

1081
00:47:13.320 --> 00:47:15.840
<v Speaker 2>thing is just how good is their best And I

1082
00:47:15.840 --> 00:47:18.719
<v Speaker 2>think Jay who if you look at what they do defensively, Yeah,

1083
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:24.000
<v Speaker 2>it comes from perfecting fundamentals, lane discipline, guys understanding their job,

1084
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 2>not getting outside of themselves. But on offense, you've got

1085
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.039
<v Speaker 2>to be able to make big plays more often enough.

1086
00:47:29.079 --> 00:47:30.679
<v Speaker 2>And then the other thing you're gonna need is you

1087
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:33.280
<v Speaker 2>got to stay away from some of the catastrophic mistakes.

1088
00:47:33.480 --> 00:47:35.960
<v Speaker 2>So how they weigh that balance here spence against better

1089
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:38.920
<v Speaker 2>competition that remains to be seen. And I think a

1090
00:47:39.079 --> 00:47:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Rod has a really big task on his hand to

1091
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.440
<v Speaker 2>gauge and balance how that is because Kyle Whittingham, with

1092
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.840
<v Speaker 2>his number of offense coordinators that he had for years,

1093
00:47:48.039 --> 00:47:50.440
<v Speaker 2>had to figure out how to do that. With Travis Wilson,

1094
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:52.559
<v Speaker 2>he had to figure out how to do that. I mean,

1095
00:47:52.599 --> 00:47:55.000
<v Speaker 2>obviously with John Hayes and some other guys. He had

1096
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:57.480
<v Speaker 2>to figure out how to do that without depth, because

1097
00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.840
<v Speaker 2>when they would have some injuries to olign and then

1098
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:01.679
<v Speaker 2>you have some quarterback issues, all of a sudden, you

1099
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:05.280
<v Speaker 2>start one to five that's hard. So I'm very curious

1100
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.440
<v Speaker 2>to see how a rod works and balances that. There's

1101
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:10.039
<v Speaker 2>a real fine amount of work that goes into that.

1102
00:48:10.079 --> 00:48:11.039
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, it was a part of some

1103
00:48:11.079 --> 00:48:13.199
<v Speaker 2>of those Utah staffs they had to work with that.

1104
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.199
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's funny some people may forget not to

1105
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.239
<v Speaker 1>do the Trump thing, like everyone forgot. No, you're the

1106
00:48:18.280 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 1>only one that forgot. There was a time when it

1107
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:23.880
<v Speaker 1>came to the Utah offensive coordinator spot where it felt

1108
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.199
<v Speaker 1>like it was like, hey, does anyone have Dave Shram's number? Right?

1109
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Like it was such a turnover right year in and year out.

1110
00:48:30.519 --> 00:48:32.480
<v Speaker 1>The coach lud has really solidified that. Let me ask

1111
00:48:32.519 --> 00:48:34.639
<v Speaker 1>you one more thing, because I don't think I've got

1112
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.000
<v Speaker 1>your take on this, and I'm surprised. Now, let's be clear,

1113
00:48:38.360 --> 00:48:41.159
<v Speaker 1>the reporting on this is murky because nil stuff. There's

1114
00:48:41.199 --> 00:48:43.360
<v Speaker 1>some websites here there and there's some reporting that you

1115
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.960
<v Speaker 1>can look at. By all accounts, and this is a

1116
00:48:47.039 --> 00:48:50.159
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Smith thing because Ryan's a basketball guy. But by

1117
00:48:50.199 --> 00:48:55.199
<v Speaker 1>all accounts, BYU at this point has tremendous resources invested

1118
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>in their basketball program, yet they have not found the

1119
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 1>football equivalent of Ryan Smith. And I just thought, I mean, look,

1120
00:49:03.880 --> 00:49:06.360
<v Speaker 1>I come from a family of BYU fans. I've got

1121
00:49:06.360 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>a brother who's the CEO of a company, and there

1122
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 1>are so many ex BYU athletes or just x BYU

1123
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:16.639
<v Speaker 1>students to go on to start companies or MLMs and

1124
00:49:16.679 --> 00:49:17.960
<v Speaker 1>make a ton of money.

1125
00:49:18.559 --> 00:49:19.800
<v Speaker 2>They'll love BYU football.

1126
00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:24.039
<v Speaker 1>I'm kind of surprised the Ryan Smith equivalent for the

1127
00:49:24.039 --> 00:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>football program has not manifested itself just yet, at least

1128
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:28.239
<v Speaker 1>as far as our understanding goes.

1129
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.679
<v Speaker 2>So I said this from the beginning. I was working

1130
00:49:30.719 --> 00:49:34.000
<v Speaker 2>at America First Credit Union. There weren't many people in

1131
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:35.719
<v Speaker 2>the office at the time. It was COVID, but there

1132
00:49:35.719 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 2>are a few people and we would talk football in

1133
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:40.079
<v Speaker 2>this great time, and this nil thing really started getting big.

1134
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:42.400
<v Speaker 2>They talked about how big a deal it could be

1135
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:44.960
<v Speaker 2>for football, and that's what they wanted to see. Hey,

1136
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:46.840
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people to support this team. They

1137
00:49:46.840 --> 00:49:49.360
<v Speaker 2>could really get behind it in these different ways. I said,

1138
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.159
<v Speaker 2>I think basketball is where they can really make it happen.

1139
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:55.400
<v Speaker 2>Because you have a smaller number of players, you have

1140
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:57.320
<v Speaker 2>a much better chance to garner some stars. You have

1141
00:49:57.360 --> 00:49:59.639
<v Speaker 2>a twenty thousand seed arena that you can pack. I

1142
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:02.719
<v Speaker 2>think they have game presentation that is second to none.

1143
00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:05.559
<v Speaker 2>They're so good with their game and they're so good

1144
00:50:05.559 --> 00:50:07.559
<v Speaker 2>with their fan experience. I tip my hat to them

1145
00:50:07.559 --> 00:50:10.000
<v Speaker 2>all the time. They're really really good at it. And

1146
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.440
<v Speaker 2>that's not to disparage anybody else. I just think they

1147
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:16.000
<v Speaker 2>really have something there that I think is very impressive,

1148
00:50:16.159 --> 00:50:18.079
<v Speaker 2>and so they've worked hard at it and they've taken

1149
00:50:18.079 --> 00:50:19.920
<v Speaker 2>a pride in it. I think if you're an athlete,

1150
00:50:19.960 --> 00:50:21.960
<v Speaker 2>you love to see that in basketball, the way that

1151
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 2>they do it. And people at Utah would say, well,

1152
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:25.159
<v Speaker 2>well why not.

1153
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>Us, Well, no, it's hard because you don't have enough

1154
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:29.840
<v Speaker 1>people there to have some of what you're trying to build.

1155
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:32.079
<v Speaker 2>And obviously that comes with winning. And we can go

1156
00:50:32.119 --> 00:50:34.119
<v Speaker 2>down that rabbit hole another day. So it's kind of

1157
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:35.920
<v Speaker 2>unfair to some of the other staffs trying to put

1158
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.039
<v Speaker 2>together a good fan experience because bou basketball has something there.

1159
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 2>They put together some good wins there with Pope, they

1160
00:50:40.800 --> 00:50:41.960
<v Speaker 2>had a good run that you know, they went to

1161
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.039
<v Speaker 2>an NCAA tournament. Whatever, They're stacked right on paper. This year,

1162
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:47.559
<v Speaker 2>this year, this year, the juice is just high man

1163
00:50:47.599 --> 00:50:49.800
<v Speaker 2>and you you did a lot with the coaching staff,

1164
00:50:50.119 --> 00:50:52.039
<v Speaker 2>so Niol With basketball, I thought was going to have

1165
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 2>the first big impact. I do think they can get

1166
00:50:54.039 --> 00:50:56.320
<v Speaker 2>there with football, but it's got to be with like

1167
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.639
<v Speaker 2>a quarterback and then a key running back receiver, right,

1168
00:50:59.719 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>So you dial in on a couple of key positions

1169
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:05.800
<v Speaker 2>for that and you target in on that, and that

1170
00:51:05.960 --> 00:51:07.880
<v Speaker 2>is the way it would have to happen. That I

1171
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:10.760
<v Speaker 2>think is a slower process. I really do believe it's

1172
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.000
<v Speaker 2>a slower process there, Spence, and it's it's got to

1173
00:51:13.039 --> 00:51:14.960
<v Speaker 2>be something that's gonna come over time. Whereas basketball, I

1174
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:17.320
<v Speaker 2>thought they would actually have it earlier than they have

1175
00:51:17.440 --> 00:51:20.519
<v Speaker 2>until now. Now they're ready to go. But I remember

1176
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:22.800
<v Speaker 2>saying that all the way back and like the fall

1177
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.880
<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty, going no, this is this is actually

1178
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:27.719
<v Speaker 2>where they can have massive advancement.

1179
00:51:27.880 --> 00:51:30.920
<v Speaker 1>Oh interesting, because that's been the case. All right, Tom,

1180
00:51:30.960 --> 00:51:32.440
<v Speaker 1>great to see before I say you lose hit that

1181
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:33.280
<v Speaker 1>be's promo again.

1182
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Well we do it. We got get at SLBs dot com.

1183
00:51:35.800 --> 00:51:37.400
<v Speaker 2>Make sure you come out to the games five dollars

1184
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 2>tickets on Sunday. You get to run around the bases

1185
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:41.199
<v Speaker 2>on the field after the game. You know what, you

1186
00:51:41.199 --> 00:51:43.559
<v Speaker 2>could probably stay longer, take a few pictures. You know,

1187
00:51:43.639 --> 00:51:45.639
<v Speaker 2>have a good time, hang out with Bumble for a

1188
00:51:45.679 --> 00:51:48.199
<v Speaker 2>few extra minutes. Let it be that sign off. Let

1189
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it be something that you're a part of. By the way,

1190
00:51:49.920 --> 00:51:52.480
<v Speaker 2>weather Sunday is supposed to be amazing, so you know,

1191
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 2>it's one of those days where bring a jacket anyway,

1192
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:56.800
<v Speaker 2>but it's probably gonna be nice. Probably don't need it. Oh,

1193
00:51:56.840 --> 00:51:59.400
<v Speaker 2>when it's bark at the park on Sunday, bring your

1194
00:51:59.519 --> 00:52:02.599
<v Speaker 2>dog to the ballpark. Gets your tickets SLBs nice dot com.

1195
00:52:02.599 --> 00:52:04.320
<v Speaker 2>There's no better place for park in the park than

1196
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:08.360
<v Speaker 2>that place. Friday night, Go Gold Night. That is gonna

1197
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 2>be a beautiful and special night. Fireworks after the game.

1198
00:52:10.679 --> 00:52:12.599
<v Speaker 2>But we have wonderful tribute set up for all the

1199
00:52:12.599 --> 00:52:15.519
<v Speaker 2>different families currently in the fight, those who have been

1200
00:52:15.519 --> 00:52:17.400
<v Speaker 2>in the fight, those who have lost somebody in the fight.

1201
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Cancer affects everybody in some way, people that we love.

1202
00:52:21.519 --> 00:52:23.440
<v Speaker 2>For me, I've got a very good friend of mine, you,

1203
00:52:24.400 --> 00:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>who you know, has has been a part of that fight,

1204
00:52:27.119 --> 00:52:29.239
<v Speaker 2>and I think of you every single time anything like

1205
00:52:29.280 --> 00:52:31.519
<v Speaker 2>that comes up. I appreciate it and the conversations we've

1206
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.719
<v Speaker 2>had off the air. We have friends of ours who've

1207
00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:36.559
<v Speaker 2>had children who've been in that fight, and so it's

1208
00:52:36.880 --> 00:52:39.039
<v Speaker 2>a wonderful night to come to the ballpark be a

1209
00:52:39.079 --> 00:52:43.840
<v Speaker 2>part of those tributes and the Huntsman Cancer Foundation's pediatric research,

1210
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:46.159
<v Speaker 2>all of that. Big thanks to everybody over there for

1211
00:52:46.239 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 2>all that they do. So at any point, come twice

1212
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:51.159
<v Speaker 2>this week. You know the ticket deals are gonna be

1213
00:52:51.159 --> 00:52:53.599
<v Speaker 2>good enough you can afford to come twice, and we'll

1214
00:52:53.639 --> 00:52:56.320
<v Speaker 2>have some great options for a gear that you can

1215
00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 2>buy in the Team store that you're gonna love the

1216
00:52:57.880 --> 00:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>discounts there, and you're gonna love all the wonderful disc

1217
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:02.800
<v Speaker 2>coounts when it comes to concessions, just everything involved with it.

1218
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<v Speaker 2>Make sure you're a part of it. S LBS dot com.

1219
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<v Speaker 2>Great to see him, My brother, Okay Park's voice of

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<v Speaker 2>the Bes
