WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:09.359 Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys 2 00:00:09.400 --> 00:00:13.039 are your favorites, so light say subscribe and raid. 3 00:00:13.080 --> 00:00:16.199 It five stock and me. 4 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:24.879 Greatest con yesh today listening a watching, always keep its watching. 5 00:00:26.640 --> 00:00:30.399 And now you're hosts Cliff Berkman and James Bubo Fay. 6 00:00:31.199 --> 00:00:34.119 Hello Cliff, Hello Bobo. How are you doing today, sir? 7 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:35.320 Pretty good? Pretty good? 8 00:00:35.359 --> 00:00:35.840 What's happening? 9 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:39.079 Just uh, I don't know, work and stuff and you know, 10 00:00:39.119 --> 00:00:41.520 I just got back in town from Kentucky. I was 11 00:00:41.560 --> 00:00:45.039 at a cryptid con. Oh yeah, great event. I really 12 00:00:45.159 --> 00:00:47.520 enjoyed myself. A lot of good people out there. I 13 00:00:47.560 --> 00:00:51.240 saw Tom Shay. Tom Shay is of course a national 14 00:00:51.280 --> 00:00:55.439 treasure in every single way international pretty much pretty much. 15 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:56.200 Yeah. 16 00:00:56.240 --> 00:00:58.399 He passed on a couple of casts for the NABC. 17 00:00:58.600 --> 00:01:01.320 One is a gift to the NABC, which is a 18 00:01:01.359 --> 00:01:05.760 fantastic cast from Trimble County in twenty eighteen. The cast 19 00:01:05.799 --> 00:01:07.640 is from an individual named Goliath that we've been tracking 20 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:10.400 over the last few years. There's some dramaticallypics on it 21 00:01:10.439 --> 00:01:13.840 that maybe came from the Sasquatch, maybe came from introduction 22 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:17.280 or being tainted somehow, you know, like maybe Tom touched 23 00:01:17.439 --> 00:01:19.680 the foot print before his cast. Not really sure. I 24 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:23.040 actually I'm working with a forensic expert who is an 25 00:01:23.040 --> 00:01:27.200 expert in dramaticlyphics and ballistics of all things, and he 26 00:01:27.560 --> 00:01:30.239 has some questions about the cast. So I was talking 27 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:32.319 to Tom about that, and of course Tom has nothing 28 00:01:32.359 --> 00:01:34.640 to hide. He wants everybody to look at these things 29 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:36.799 with a really close eye and just get to the 30 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:38.599 bottom of everything, get to the truth of all this. 31 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.879 So I was talking to Tom about this cast and 32 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:43.280 about the concerns this one gentleman had. He's a police 33 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:46.239 officer in Georgia. And Tom says, well, I'll tell you what, 34 00:01:46.280 --> 00:01:48.359 I'll just give you the cast for the NABC. I'll 35 00:01:48.400 --> 00:01:50.200 just donate the cast to you and then you can 36 00:01:50.239 --> 00:01:52.200 make a higher quality mold than what you have and 37 00:01:52.200 --> 00:01:54.959 then send it off to him. Which is really a 38 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.519 fantastic thing and so generous and really speaks volumes to 39 00:01:58.519 --> 00:02:03.200 Tom Shay's character that he he just wants qualified people 40 00:02:03.239 --> 00:02:06.040 to closely examine the evidence and get to the truth. 41 00:02:07.040 --> 00:02:09.360 So I got that one back at home, and also 42 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:12.199 while while he was bringing a cast, I specifically asked him, 43 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:15.599 you know, now, there are two fantastic handprints that Tom 44 00:02:15.680 --> 00:02:18.479 cast in twenty sixteen, not that real big one that 45 00:02:18.520 --> 00:02:20.199 you got to hold in person. But there's these two 46 00:02:20.240 --> 00:02:23.639 other ones, right, and it's the same hand that the 47 00:02:23.680 --> 00:02:26.599 fingers are curled in one and protruding to the ground, 48 00:02:26.599 --> 00:02:30.199 and the other well, apparently there were there was a 49 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:32.960 footprint associated with it. Tom sent me a photograph of 50 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.479 the two hand casts and a footprint. I go, Tom, 51 00:02:35.680 --> 00:02:38.080 there's a footprint. He goes, yeah, I never told you that. 52 00:02:38.120 --> 00:02:40.479 I said, no, he never told me that. So well, hey, 53 00:02:40.800 --> 00:02:43.080 and so like a year goes by or eight months 54 00:02:43.080 --> 00:02:44.400 go by, and I figured out, I'm going to see 55 00:02:44.400 --> 00:02:48.000 Tom at Cryptidcon and I'm revamping my presentations for this 56 00:02:48.039 --> 00:02:50.520 coming season. I think I'm going to do something on handprints. 57 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.080 I did something at handprints a number of years ago, 58 00:02:53.120 --> 00:02:55.560 but so many more have been uncovered since then, and 59 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:57.719 so much new information has come out. I want to 60 00:02:57.759 --> 00:03:00.319 revisit that topic for this coming season, and you know 61 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.280 of conferences. So anyway, I said, Tom, would you mind 62 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:06.520 lending me that that footprint because I want to use 63 00:03:06.560 --> 00:03:08.599 it and see if there's any correlation hand size and 64 00:03:08.639 --> 00:03:10.560 foot size and all this other stuff. He goes, oh, yeah, 65 00:03:10.599 --> 00:03:13.400 no problem. So I see Tom, and he goes, hey, 66 00:03:13.439 --> 00:03:16.120 I got that cast for you, And I unwrapped the 67 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:19.280 bubble wrap and there's a half cast there. I go, Tom, 68 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.039 this isn't the one you show me. He goes, oh, no, 69 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:22.520 I couldn't find that one that I showed you. But 70 00:03:22.599 --> 00:03:25.560 this was also in the trackway. Huh, said Tom? There 71 00:03:25.599 --> 00:03:31.120 were two? There were two? What else are you hiding 72 00:03:31.159 --> 00:03:33.919 from me? You know, not that he's hiding anything, of course, 73 00:03:33.960 --> 00:03:35.680 but you know what I mean, it's like, oh my god. 74 00:03:35.879 --> 00:03:38.800 So that a really interesting half cast. And then there's 75 00:03:38.840 --> 00:03:40.960 still that other footprint that he's not quite sure where 76 00:03:40.960 --> 00:03:43.759 it is because he's got tubs of these things, right, 77 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.240 He's been collecting these prints since the eighties. So you know, 78 00:03:47.280 --> 00:03:50.159 I can't hold it against them. I'm rather disorganized as well, 79 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:50.360 you know. 80 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:50.919 Yeah. 81 00:03:50.919 --> 00:03:52.840 Anyway, so the Crypto Con was great in that sort 82 00:03:52.879 --> 00:03:55.479 of way, and I don't know that that's pretty much it, really, 83 00:03:55.719 --> 00:04:01.039 although I did come home to a very very sick dog. Fortunately, Yeah, 84 00:04:01.080 --> 00:04:03.719 so she's not I mean, she's doing better now, but 85 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:07.240 you know, I mean she understandably has separation anxiety issues 86 00:04:07.280 --> 00:04:09.319 and has a lot of baggage from you know, being 87 00:04:09.400 --> 00:04:11.960 tied to a tree in the woods alone as a puppy, 88 00:04:12.120 --> 00:04:15.159 and then you know, we stumbled upon her and saved 89 00:04:15.159 --> 00:04:17.639 her life basically. You know, so she's got some baggage, 90 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.800 but then she's used to like Melissa being home when 91 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:24.199 I'm gone, But this time Melissa came with me because 92 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.560 she later drove out to Pittsburgh after the event to 93 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.240 surprise her mother for her seventieth birthday party. So happy 94 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.759 birthday to mom of course out there. Yeah. So, so 95 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:36.600 she kind of freaked out while we're gone, got in 96 00:04:36.680 --> 00:04:39.800 the trash ate some stuff and then stopped eating anything. 97 00:04:40.319 --> 00:04:42.519 Then she wasn't pooping and all that other you know, 98 00:04:42.759 --> 00:04:45.480 dog issues and stuff. She's slowly rebounding and the stress 99 00:04:45.560 --> 00:04:48.279 is going away. I'm literally looking at her right now. 100 00:04:48.399 --> 00:04:50.319 So but yeah, things are getting better for her. But 101 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:53.480 they don't like having a sick dog. You know how 102 00:04:53.480 --> 00:04:54.120 that is, Bubbs. 103 00:04:54.600 --> 00:04:58.680 Oh god, yeah, it's because you're like, talk to me, 104 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:00.079 Talk to me, you know what's going on? 105 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:03.839 Just tell me what's wrong. Yeah, but that's me, man. 106 00:05:04.000 --> 00:05:05.079 What's up with you? 107 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:07.040 Getting ready for Bart to come up tomorrow. 108 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:08.920 Night, tomorrow night, Thanksgiving Eve. 109 00:05:09.240 --> 00:05:11.319 Well, he's gonna he's gonna take off and then he'll 110 00:05:11.319 --> 00:05:14.079 probably won't get here until Friday morning, and then uh, 111 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:20.360 we're gonna do our annual squatching and gambling football watching it. 112 00:05:20.360 --> 00:05:21.120 We'll be out. 113 00:05:22.040 --> 00:05:24.759 We're not gonna go too far out like, well, we'll 114 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:26.399 have to keep it close where we can come in 115 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:29.639 and watch games and be in internet range. 116 00:05:29.680 --> 00:05:32.680 So get his bets in. Well, very good. I wish 117 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:36.079 you good luck on both counts, big footing and gambling. 118 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:37.120 Yeah. 119 00:05:37.399 --> 00:05:42.000 Nice. Nice. He's just gonna go to the local spots basically, Yeah. 120 00:05:41.839 --> 00:05:42.480 Then we're gonna go. 121 00:05:43.360 --> 00:05:46.879 Polly Pizza has gotta he's got. He lives out out 122 00:05:46.879 --> 00:05:50.639 behind like like between Fieldbrook and Mckinneyville, come out in 123 00:05:50.639 --> 00:05:53.680 Mount's on those those coastal hills like just south of Trinidad, 124 00:05:54.079 --> 00:05:55.879 and I get a lot of reports out of there, 125 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:58.600 and I've and I should spend more time there because 126 00:05:58.600 --> 00:06:02.079 it's so close, but I kind of it's just, uh, 127 00:06:02.279 --> 00:06:03.720 there's there's house. I mean, there's you know, there's a 128 00:06:03.720 --> 00:06:07.040 couple of thousand people live in that valley, and so 129 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.120 I try to stay away from like anywhere likely it 130 00:06:09.160 --> 00:06:11.560 could be like overlap, like because there's so you can 131 00:06:11.560 --> 00:06:15.199 get so far out there around here, you know, like where. 132 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:16.279 There's no houses at all. 133 00:06:16.959 --> 00:06:19.120 I try to go to those places, but there's reports 134 00:06:19.120 --> 00:06:22.079 coming consistently through there. So we're gonna check that out 135 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:23.120 and see what we can find. 136 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:25.680 Oh that's cool, you know. That reminded me of something 137 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:28.879 that's super big. Aggrig aggravation. By the way, I was 138 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.199 at the museum today. It's it's Wednesday tomorrow, Thanksgiving for 139 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:34.279 the people listening, that's when we record these things. So 140 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:36.079 I was at the museum today for a few hours 141 00:06:36.120 --> 00:06:38.000 or whatever. I only took a I only worked for 142 00:06:38.000 --> 00:06:39.519 a little over a half day because of my dog. 143 00:06:39.560 --> 00:06:40.839 Of course, I want to come and make sure she 144 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:42.959 wasn't gonna crap all over the bottom floor of the 145 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:46.040 house like she did when I was gone. And then uh, 146 00:06:46.240 --> 00:06:48.240 but so before I left, I like, well, oh, there's 147 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.079 a message on the machine. I'm just gonna double check 148 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:51.920 this or erase it if it's old. And it was 149 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:53.439 a woman's voice. I'm not going to say the name 150 00:06:53.519 --> 00:06:56.040 or anything says yeah, my name is so and so, 151 00:06:56.639 --> 00:06:58.600 and uh, I don't know if this is the number 152 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.399 I'm supposed to call. But I saw something and I 153 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.519 don't mean it might have been a bigfoot and I 154 00:07:06.560 --> 00:07:08.879 got it on the video on my phone. A couple 155 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:11.160 of us did, A couple of my friends, and is 156 00:07:11.199 --> 00:07:13.680 this the number for that? My name is so and so, 157 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.040 and you can call me back my numbers five oh 158 00:07:16.120 --> 00:07:20.439 three click, and then it hung up. It hung up, 159 00:07:20.439 --> 00:07:22.879 and then of course, you know, I what and I 160 00:07:22.920 --> 00:07:26.079 fumbled back through the incoming calls. You know, on the 161 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.079 store phone. This is the store's phone, and the number 162 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:32.600 that came in at the time she called this was yesterday. 163 00:07:32.600 --> 00:07:35.160 By the way, the number she came at the time 164 00:07:35.240 --> 00:07:37.800 she called was a number form like six oh one 165 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:40.680 area code or something like that. So I called back, 166 00:07:40.759 --> 00:07:43.120 and then I called Nico the manager, and said, oh yeah, 167 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:45.759 that came that yesterday. I called her back to and anyway, 168 00:07:45.959 --> 00:07:48.600 that was yesterday. So somebody here in the Portland area, 169 00:07:48.639 --> 00:07:51.879 at least someone who has a Portland phone number. She 170 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:55.600 and her friends apparently possibly saw a sasquatch. Release think 171 00:07:55.680 --> 00:07:57.519 they did, to the point where they called the Bigfoot 172 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:01.079 Museum to tell them about it, and has video. So 173 00:08:01.079 --> 00:08:04.040 so that's making me pull my eyeballs out. Yeah, it 174 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:05.839 might have been yesterday, might have been the day before. 175 00:08:06.199 --> 00:08:08.319 Oh man, as I rained that hard since I got home. 176 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:10.240 There's probably prints in the ground because it's all soft 177 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:13.639 and muddy and video. But man, such as the life 178 00:08:13.639 --> 00:08:16.040 of a big Footer. It's like, oh, Cliff, there's no 179 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.959 Murphy's Laws, just a blah blah blah up here. There 180 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:23.279 clearly is Murphy's Law guaranteed guaranteed. Yeah, anybody who says 181 00:08:23.279 --> 00:08:25.480 that hasn't been big footing very long. I think we 182 00:08:25.600 --> 00:08:29.920 got some good stuff caught up today. Fantastic. Yeah, of 183 00:08:29.920 --> 00:08:32.360 course are our guests today. And I may get the 184 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:35.960 name wrong, Like, it's just so funny. I've known of 185 00:08:36.000 --> 00:08:40.679 these people and what seems like forever forever actually, and 186 00:08:40.840 --> 00:08:43.000 I've kind of known them emailed here and there and stuff, 187 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:45.480 and then lo and behold once a year so they 188 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:47.960 start wandering into the museum and I'm greeting them and 189 00:08:48.000 --> 00:08:50.799 they and I remember last year it was like, hey, Cliff, 190 00:08:50.840 --> 00:08:52.399 I'm so and so, oh my god, I know you are. 191 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:54.399 And then this year the other half came in. I said, what, 192 00:08:54.480 --> 00:08:57.360 why haven't you been on our podcast yet? So yeah, 193 00:08:57.759 --> 00:08:59.519 I believe the name of the thing and correct me 194 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:01.200 if I'm wrong. Of course. I think it's the Michigan 195 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.600 Recording Project and the two folks that headed are so 196 00:09:04.720 --> 00:09:06.679 deeply involved they might as well head it are here 197 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:10.480 with This is Jim and Stacy Flowers for our old 198 00:09:10.600 --> 00:09:12.919 for like old folks like you and I Bobs. That's 199 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:15.120 a name out of the past, all right, So Jim 200 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:17.759 and Stacy Flowers, welcome to Bigfoot and Beyond with me 201 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:21.279 and that guy. Thank you nic here, Yeah, thank you 202 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:23.440 so much for setting aside a little time. We made 203 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:27.720 this arrangement a couple of weeks ago. I mean, Stacy 204 00:09:27.799 --> 00:09:29.759 was in the museum I think like last month or 205 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:31.519 two months ago, I don't know, and Jim was in 206 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:33.759 last year if I remember correctly, although I do have 207 00:09:33.759 --> 00:09:37.200 a pretty lastic sense of time. But how fortuitous to 208 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:39.440 run across y'all, and now to have you on the 209 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:42.639 podcast and your perfect guests, because I think that you're 210 00:09:42.639 --> 00:09:45.440 best known for the vocalizations that have been recorded off 211 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:49.120 one particular property, although again I'm wrong about a lot 212 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:50.639 of stuff, so maybe I'm wrong about that too. 213 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.240 That's right, we've been on that property for since two 214 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:53.960 thousand and five. 215 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.559 Since two thousand and five, that seems like forever ago. 216 00:09:56.639 --> 00:09:59.840 But how long before that were you big footing? 217 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:05.960 Oh? Well, me only a couple of years. Jim, he 218 00:10:06.080 --> 00:10:10.559 was actually eight when he had his probable sighting and 219 00:10:10.840 --> 00:10:15.799 started chasing reports and newspaper articles and that kind of thing. 220 00:10:16.360 --> 00:10:18.879 Eight years old, So, Jim, I wasn't even where you 221 00:10:18.879 --> 00:10:20.720 had a sighting. Why don't you tell us about that? 222 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:21.720 To get us going here. 223 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:26.600 Basically, my grandma lived on the edge of an apple 224 00:10:26.720 --> 00:10:30.559 orchard at Athens, Michigan. One day I was out playing 225 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:36.240 in the yard, saw a huge thing walk through just 226 00:10:36.320 --> 00:10:40.200 the inside corner of the field and the orchard there. 227 00:10:41.080 --> 00:10:43.279 It just disappeared. Scared the hell out of me. 228 00:10:43.399 --> 00:10:45.600 I ran back inside and didn't go back out the 229 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:49.679 rest of the day, probably about wasn't A week later, 230 00:10:49.919 --> 00:10:54.440 there was an article in the newspaper about another bigfoot 231 00:10:54.480 --> 00:10:57.440 sighting had a track find in the area, and I 232 00:10:57.559 --> 00:11:00.559 just kind of like, you know, my I was in 233 00:11:00.639 --> 00:11:03.759 mind put two and two together, and I just started 234 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:06.879 reading everything I could and finding every newspaper article I could, 235 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.720 and everything just kind of snowball from there. 236 00:11:10.200 --> 00:11:11.759 So how did you get back in? This is back 237 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:13.679 in the day. I'm assuming that you know what you're like. 238 00:11:14.039 --> 00:11:16.399 I imagine you're about my age, and I turned fifty three 239 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:19.039 next week, so I'm assuming that you're about my age, Coose. 240 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:20.720 Yeah, I'm just a little bit older than you. 241 00:11:20.759 --> 00:11:20.960 Then. 242 00:11:21.320 --> 00:11:24.159 Yeah, yeah, so this is back back, pre internet and whatnot. 243 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.159 So your only real sources of information were books, which 244 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:30.480 I still advocate as being the primary source of information 245 00:11:30.519 --> 00:11:33.679 for all of our listeners, even beyond podcasts and television 246 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:36.480 and stuff, and also newspaper articles. What did you do? 247 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:37.960 Did you collect them and put them in a scrap 248 00:11:37.960 --> 00:11:39.639 book or something, or did you just read them and 249 00:11:39.720 --> 00:11:41.759 take notes or did you just read? What did you 250 00:11:41.799 --> 00:11:42.360 do it? Back then? 251 00:11:42.399 --> 00:11:44.279 At the time they had a scrap book? 252 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.440 I cut them out and stuck them with tape on 253 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:51.679 an old photograph book that my grandma had and just 254 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:55.200 kept going from there. Unfortunately, she also thought that with 255 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.679 the interest in Bigfoot, that I wanted everything from the 256 00:11:57.799 --> 00:12:02.679 National inquirer. So I had a scrap book full of 257 00:12:02.879 --> 00:12:09.200 everything from whoever had the Bigfoot's baby to the latest 258 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:11.720 flavor of the week from the local newspaper, some of 259 00:12:11.759 --> 00:12:13.559 the national ones when they picked up the story. 260 00:12:14.240 --> 00:12:16.960 Well that's sweet, though, that's, however misguided that might be. 261 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:19.159 That's very very sweet of her, you got to admit, So, 262 00:12:19.399 --> 00:12:20.679 do you still have this Footo album. 263 00:12:21.120 --> 00:12:22.440 I don't think I do. 264 00:12:23.759 --> 00:12:28.440 My mom may have it somewhere, But my grandma passed 265 00:12:28.440 --> 00:12:31.519 away several years ago when I was stationed in the 266 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:34.039 maybe and a lot of her stuff that was there 267 00:12:34.159 --> 00:12:36.080 just kind of disappeared. The house she lived in and 268 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:40.519 got sold. So even the apple orchard is now a 269 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:41.559 small subdivision. 270 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:43.960 Sure, sure they had they put up a parking lot, 271 00:12:44.000 --> 00:12:47.799 so to speak. Yeah, well, gosh, So so you started 272 00:12:47.799 --> 00:12:50.480 around eight Were you doing field investigations? Man like, did 273 00:12:50.519 --> 00:12:52.200 you ride your bike over like, you know, like a 274 00:12:52.240 --> 00:12:55.200 stranger thing sort of thing and I doing a field 275 00:12:55.399 --> 00:12:58.000 or it was just collecting information at that point at. 276 00:12:57.840 --> 00:12:59.279 That point, collecting information. 277 00:12:59.440 --> 00:13:03.320 I think I actually as well as I could investigated 278 00:13:03.320 --> 00:13:05.519 the first report, I was probably about thirteen. 279 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:08.200 I don't remember the details of it. 280 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:10.440 It was a local kid who thought he saw something 281 00:13:10.440 --> 00:13:11.919 in the words too, so we just kind of like 282 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.360 compared notes and went from there. 283 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:17.080 I don't even remember his name. It was so long ago. 284 00:13:17.519 --> 00:13:21.240 That's cool. That's really neat now, Stacy, Yeah, how did 285 00:13:21.279 --> 00:13:23.600 you get involved in this whole subject here? 286 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.639 Well, my interest goes back to when I was eleven 287 00:13:26.720 --> 00:13:29.120 or twelve, way back to the mid seventies when it 288 00:13:29.159 --> 00:13:31.279 was all kind of first blew up. In the first place, 289 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.600 there was a movie coming out in the theaters and 290 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:36.759 I can't remember the name of it, may have been 291 00:13:36.799 --> 00:13:39.200 Sasquatched something or other, but there was a commercial would 292 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:41.639 come on the television back in the day when you 293 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:45.279 had to get up and change the antenna and the 294 00:13:45.480 --> 00:13:49.200 channel on your big console TV. And in the commercial 295 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.000 it played this vocalization as long howl. And the first 296 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:57.200 time I heard that, it freaked me out so bad. 297 00:13:57.360 --> 00:13:59.279 And I don't know why. I almost had like a 298 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:02.919 physical visceral reaction to it, you know. So here's this 299 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:04.720 kid getting scared of this commercial, and every time it 300 00:14:04.720 --> 00:14:06.480 would come on and have to get up and change 301 00:14:06.480 --> 00:14:10.799 a channel real quick before that sound would happen. And 302 00:14:10.840 --> 00:14:13.799 from then on, as a kid and growing up, Bigfoot 303 00:14:13.879 --> 00:14:15.960 was like my boogeyman. That was the thing I was 304 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.799 afraid of in the dark. It was a thing that 305 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.759 freaked me out when the family would go camping, you know, 306 00:14:20.799 --> 00:14:22.639 and I always just felt like something was out there, 307 00:14:23.519 --> 00:14:25.639 but I never really I kind of I didn't really 308 00:14:25.720 --> 00:14:28.879 lose interest, but there was nothing to keep my interest 309 00:14:28.960 --> 00:14:32.279 for a long long time, many years and when I 310 00:14:32.320 --> 00:14:35.279 first got online one day, I was thinking around just 311 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:37.720 kind of learning how to use the internet and the 312 00:14:37.759 --> 00:14:39.360 computer and all of that, and I said, Hi, what 313 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:42.039 if people are still talking about pickfoot? And I did 314 00:14:42.039 --> 00:14:45.639 a search, and god, you know, when all was out there, 315 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.000 tons of stuff. This is. This is in the day 316 00:14:49.039 --> 00:14:52.679 when there were only like discussion forums and individual websites 317 00:14:52.720 --> 00:14:55.720 and things. And I was shocked by how many people 318 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:57.960 were still talking about this and making claims. And the 319 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:02.159 more I read the it sounded like there's maybe really 320 00:15:02.240 --> 00:15:04.639 something to this. And before I knew it, I was 321 00:15:04.639 --> 00:15:08.960 just hoping the subject. And so I spent a brief 322 00:15:09.000 --> 00:15:11.679 time in the BFRO back in two thousand and three, 323 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:14.840 I believe, and then the group that we camp with 324 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:20.080 got together in two thousand and four, the large group 325 00:15:20.120 --> 00:15:23.879 that got together that had met quote unquote met on 326 00:15:23.919 --> 00:15:27.559 the Bigfoot forums way back in its early days, and 327 00:15:27.600 --> 00:15:31.000 we had a weekend camping trip, and you know, people 328 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.639 have similar mindsets kind of split off into different groups 329 00:15:33.639 --> 00:15:36.679 and things, and that led to us getting together and 330 00:15:36.720 --> 00:15:41.039 doing our thing, and then we started on this property 331 00:15:41.320 --> 00:15:42.159 in two thousand and five. 332 00:15:43.200 --> 00:15:46.600 Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo. 333 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:55.120 We'll be right back after these messages. 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Okay? 386 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:21.920 So just Paul and I had talked to him each 387 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:26.359 separately online a couple of times, and he was supposed 388 00:18:26.359 --> 00:18:29.680 to join us in our original spot one evening, and 389 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.359 he was going to bring out a guy. He that 390 00:18:31.440 --> 00:18:33.240 got a guy I'm going to bring out. He's got 391 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:35.400 some stories, He's got some things happening on his property. 392 00:18:36.160 --> 00:18:37.880 I'm going to bring him out with me and you 393 00:18:37.880 --> 00:18:39.440 guys can meet him and talk to him and stuff. 394 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:43.880 So Casey Launda not coming because his mother was sick, 395 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.519 but this guy with her, I should say, convoluted instructions 396 00:18:48.839 --> 00:18:51.799 and way back on dirt two tracks managed to find 397 00:18:51.920 --> 00:18:55.599 us after dark and the landowner he came out by himself, 398 00:18:56.079 --> 00:18:58.839 spent the night and we talked and talked and talked, 399 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.039 and he liked us. We liked Tim, so he invited 400 00:19:01.079 --> 00:19:03.839 us out to the property and we went later that 401 00:19:04.319 --> 00:19:05.920