Speaker 1: He was part of the SoCon one hundred anniversary team
Speaker 1: as a member of that football side of things and
Speaker 1: played two sports at Furman played in the NFL, had
Speaker 1: some great plays and had some great moments and great
Speaker 1: memories as a professional football player. It's our good friend,
Speaker 1: Luther Broughton, Lou what's going on, babe?
Speaker 2: Johann E what's Baker? What's going on?
Speaker 3: Been too long? Listen?
Speaker 1: Since the last time we spoke pre Super Bowl, I've
Speaker 1: had to replay a couple of your interviews like twice
Speaker 1: because we've been craving the Luther content. We love it,
Speaker 1: and it's always good to reflect when there's something notable
Speaker 1: in the NFL, such as John Gruden in the news
Speaker 1: or maybe one of these Eagles coaches or Chiefs coaches.
Speaker 3: You know about fifty of them. But it's good to
Speaker 3: get you back on Live. Man. How you been. How's
Speaker 3: the family?
Speaker 2: Man? Every day is groovy and their family is great.
Speaker 2: We're healthy, you know, still looking like a dis Elba
Speaker 2: in my mind, So I mean, everything is good, Bro.
Speaker 3: It's good to hear you, man. And Luther.
Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at Richard eighty four
Speaker 1: and he's a great follow on social man. So here
Speaker 1: we are in this weird time of year in the NFL.
Speaker 1: We'll get some basketball takes from it. From a minute,
Speaker 1: is the Joker?
Speaker 3: My god? Last night? Oh goodness, sixty ten and ten.
Speaker 3: You can't.
Speaker 2: He makes it look too easy.
Speaker 3: He does. He just does.
Speaker 2: He just makes it look too easy. He's just unbothered.
Speaker 2: He's just good at basketball. Yeah, MVP, MVP, what do
Speaker 2: you say, Come on, they're having a Joker for tegue,
Speaker 2: so say you'll just Alexander's gonna win.
Speaker 3: Tell you, I'm telling you it's MB part two, right.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's it's Michael Jordan's part two. You know.
Speaker 2: They had m J fort and that's why MJ doesn't
Speaker 2: have eight m vps. Yeah, I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 2: They Lebron's for team too. That's why he probably should
Speaker 2: have won it when d Rose won it, he probably
Speaker 2: should have won it. Went hard and won it. No,
Speaker 2: he definitely shouldn't have won Rookie of the Year over Carmelo.
Speaker 2: But that's a different story for a different day. But
Speaker 2: I think Joker is the MVP. Dude, He's like top
Speaker 2: three in everything.
Speaker 1: I think part of it too, Look is a guy
Speaker 1: who played basketball in college is a guy that obviously
Speaker 1: has been around professional athletics most of his adult life.
Speaker 1: You know this, and you know how the media likes
Speaker 1: to do this. There is not a shiny object when
Speaker 1: you look at Jokic. He can be dull. He can be.
Speaker 3: Boring by design. That's just who he is.
Speaker 1: And so we look at the greatness of what he
Speaker 1: brings to the table. And this guy's like that in
Speaker 1: the NFL that just have you know, a pet Rock
Speaker 1: type of personality. But they're done it and it's just
Speaker 1: a stone coldness about him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: We were up there in Charlotte.
Speaker 1: You were you at the game where the Hornets almost
Speaker 1: beat the Nuggets earlier this year.
Speaker 3: I took my kids up there, and I should have
Speaker 3: asked I that game.
Speaker 1: That was like prime Yo Kics down there in the
Speaker 1: low post at the end where you've got Obviously I.
Speaker 2: Watched it and I remember the gain was at the end.
Speaker 3: It's what he does.
Speaker 2: It's like, what do you do? You can't do anything
Speaker 2: to stop there.
Speaker 3: No, there's nothing you can do. Man, Well here's.
Speaker 2: Another I love it. I'm a fan. I know some
Speaker 2: people are like, oh, it's boring. Blah blah blah. No,
Speaker 2: I'm I'm a massive fan, dude. I love watching him play.
Speaker 2: A huge fan, you know, ball.
Speaker 1: That's why Luther Bronton joins us here for we're firm
Speaker 1: and great former NFL tied end uh And I wanted
Speaker 1: to get you on here because, look I joked about
Speaker 1: it on Facebook earlier, that are our our tush push insider.
Speaker 1: Look here, I say that because you're one of the
Speaker 1: guys we talked to on this show. And we have
Speaker 1: a number of guys who played in the league that
Speaker 1: we talked to, but you're my favorite because you give
Speaker 1: us great stories and great inside and you played at
Speaker 1: a high level at a very important position tight end
Speaker 1: in Andy Reid's offense. Obviously, this is not Andy Reid's design,
Speaker 1: it's it's a different type of play. I know you
Speaker 1: are a loyal Eagles guy. They are a great organization
Speaker 1: in terms of fighting the legends back. I saw you
Speaker 1: at the parade again this year. But that play the dynamics,
Speaker 1: give me your give me your sense of what it is,
Speaker 1: Is it right, should it be banned?
Speaker 3: And where are you at with it?
Speaker 2: Because you and I have not even talked about this
Speaker 2: so what's wrong with it? I just want to know
Speaker 2: what's wrong with it. It's within the rules. There's nothing
Speaker 2: against the rules. They're not doing something like backing into
Speaker 2: people to draw files like James Harden used to do,
Speaker 2: stopping short to draw file. They're basically going to quarterback
Speaker 2: sneak within the rules and no one can stop it.
Speaker 2: Other teams have tried it. They don't have out personnel.
Speaker 2: Part of it is we have a great offensive line.
Speaker 2: Another part of it is we have a quarterback that
Speaker 2: squat six hundred pounds.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I've been saying this.
Speaker 2: We have a witting room quarterback.
Speaker 1: I've been saying this nause him on this show that
Speaker 1: it and you look. I have different thoughts on this plane.
Speaker 1: I'll share them minute. But people underestimate the lower body
Speaker 1: strength of Jalen Hurts. That's really a big element of
Speaker 1: what makes this whole thing go.
Speaker 2: That's a massive elod You know who ran a really
Speaker 2: great quarterback sneak, Tom Brady, and no one wanted to
Speaker 2: outlaw it. You know they're saying they're lying because they're
Speaker 2: talking about safety and health and injury. That's a lie. John.
Speaker 2: Let's let's be honest people, don't get hurt in the
Speaker 2: test push. Look, if you look at it, no one's
Speaker 2: getting hurt in the test push. You know when people
Speaker 2: get hurt John drop back passing. Are we going to
Speaker 2: outlaw drop back passing because injuries happened? No, we're not.
Speaker 2: And I'm being ridiculous with a ridiculous example, but we're
Speaker 2: not going to outlaw drop that passing because people get hurt. Okay,
Speaker 2: So what they're doing is the Eagles basically have first
Speaker 2: and eighty every possession of first and not every possession.
Speaker 2: The people are sound jealous to me, the people that
Speaker 2: Green Bay sounds ridiculous when they're like, oh, I'm not
Speaker 2: the one who wrote it up, but it seems like
Speaker 2: it's a safety issue. And then Sean McVeigh all people,
Speaker 2: he said, the optics of the play looks bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's something a fan would say. That's something
Speaker 1: a fan would say. To me, I was surprised and
Speaker 1: a little disappointed by McVeigh, because.
Speaker 2: I was extremely disappointed by McVeigh. McVeigh was the one
Speaker 2: that disappointed me the most. The optics of the play.
Speaker 2: You don't like how it looks Are you kidding me?
Speaker 2: You know what's a horrible rule bringing the ball out
Speaker 2: to the thirty five yard line on a touchback. How
Speaker 2: about that one?
Speaker 3: Well, that's crazy what they're trying to do.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about that.
Speaker 3: Let's do that. Let me I'm gonna get to that
Speaker 3: in a minute.
Speaker 1: But here's my thing about the tush push. I don't
Speaker 1: know how familiar you are with Logan Ryan. He he
Speaker 1: played in the league for a few years and he
Speaker 1: was a yeah, New England, Tennessee And I heard him
Speaker 1: on a podcast recently and he raised a point that
Speaker 1: and comes from the Belichick school of thoughts. So I'm
Speaker 1: sure this is in the most defensive guys, I'm sure
Speaker 1: hate this play and some respect it. I've heard Vrabel
Speaker 1: come out, he's a defensive guy. He's like, what are
Speaker 1: we gonna do ban Lamar Jackson from running?
Speaker 3: What are we doing here? But Lamar? I mean not Lamar. Geez.
Speaker 1: Logan Ryan's had something along the lines of this to say,
Speaker 1: let's say you're a defensive unit and and how many
Speaker 1: times do we see this you're backed up as an offense.
Speaker 1: Let's say it's Philly and it's Saquon backed up at
Speaker 1: the minus two yard line, and let's say, you've got
Speaker 1: a swarm of linebackers that tackle him right at the
Speaker 1: goal line and he ends up landing in the end zone.
Speaker 1: But Ford progress. It was about the Ford Progress rule.
Speaker 1: And his thinking was, as a defense, why are we
Speaker 1: not allowed to gain yardage at any point of the field.
Speaker 1: The safety is just an example, But any point of
Speaker 1: the field, why is Ford progress always called that early?
Speaker 1: And the tush push is allowed and you're allowed all
Speaker 1: this downfield shoving as different.
Speaker 2: That's a different story. That's that's a that's a part
Speaker 2: of the play. If you're if you're if you're arguing
Speaker 2: that they're not calling it correctly, that's completely different of
Speaker 2: the DS safety. And I totally agree with him. If
Speaker 2: you're if you're going to always say, you know, possession
Speaker 2: will stop, let's stop the ball, and you're not going
Speaker 2: to do that on a test push. Logan Ryan has
Speaker 2: an absolutely great pullt.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: As a guy who played in the trenches, Luther Bronton
Speaker 1: joins this former NFL tied end. I would imagine the
Speaker 1: Ford Progress rule, and I know a lot about the NFL,
Speaker 1: but I don't know enough to know when that was
Speaker 1: put in. I imagine it was put in after somebody
Speaker 1: got their leg snapped in half, with five or six
Speaker 1: defensive guys pushing them back five or six yards, and
Speaker 1: then finally it was a pile.
Speaker 2: So at some point the play is over. That's what
Speaker 2: that's all about.
Speaker 1: Well, but to but here's the thing. You've got you
Speaker 1: still at this point, Loud, You've still got guys. And
Speaker 1: what I'm more against than the toush push is the
Speaker 1: fact that you still have a cavalcade sometimes a convoy
Speaker 1: of two or three linemen going downfield and they're grabbing
Speaker 1: and holding and pushing.
Speaker 3: The pile down the field.
Speaker 1: That to me is inconsistent, and that puts the defense
Speaker 1: in a bind. I don't dislike it in theory because
Speaker 1: I love physical football, but I think defenses have been
Speaker 1: such they've been so handicapped since the early two thousands,
Speaker 1: when you know Doungee and Peyton Manning and others took
Speaker 1: away some of the physicality. They put it in front
Speaker 1: of the league and the league once points in scoring.
Speaker 1: I just thought it was interesting that Logan brought that
Speaker 1: up because it brings home a different perspective.
Speaker 2: It's a really good point. I'm not gonna lie. It's
Speaker 2: a really good point.
Speaker 1: You know what, I feel, I've got a conspiracy real quick.
Speaker 1: I think the Commander's Eagles. You remember the NFC Championship.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were there in attendance or not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you might have been, because you're an Eagles nut,
Speaker 1: and you're always everywhere loo, I mean you're always at
Speaker 1: every game I ever see. But when that game was
Speaker 1: out of hand and they were trying to do a
Speaker 1: little toush push at the end, and they Dan Quinn,
Speaker 1: who I love, by the way, sent Luvu over the
Speaker 1: top what four or five times, and Sean Hockeyy finally
Speaker 1: came out and said, look, here's the.
Speaker 3: Deal, y'all.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give him the touchdown if this doesn't stop.
Speaker 1: To me, I almost think the Commanders. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's this diabolical, but I almost think part of it's
Speaker 1: like somebody in that STAPs like, look, let's do this,
Speaker 1: not only to try to stop it in a unique way,
Speaker 1: but let's try to shine a light on this and
Speaker 1: get the Competition Committee's attention, because the unattended consequences of
Speaker 1: that could have been Luvu breaks his neck falling down,
Speaker 1: or you.
Speaker 2: Know, you know what, like that was stupid.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, what not the way to stop it?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, that's not the way to
Speaker 2: stop it. I mean, if you want to bring attention
Speaker 2: that way, go ahead, more power chief. What you did
Speaker 2: was connor ridiculous. I mean, you could have done You
Speaker 2: could have done that on any play. That could have
Speaker 2: been any play. You also could have hurt the quarterback
Speaker 2: that it was just diving across at basically at the
Speaker 2: quarterback steat.
Speaker 1: It was that it was overkilled after a while. And
Speaker 1: I have to believe that that look, and again I'm speculating.
Speaker 1: I don't know what dan Quinn's intentions are. He's a
Speaker 1: good man, he's a good coach. But I think at
Speaker 1: that point they're just trying anything they can to disrupt
Speaker 1: that play and know, when the game was kind of
Speaker 1: out a hand, it's gonna be Look, they're going to
Speaker 1: revisit it, and some of Roger Goodell's comments yesterday seemed
Speaker 1: to suggest that they're not going to just ban it.
Speaker 1: That's what to your point about the Packers, the language
Speaker 1: in their proposal was pretty much singling out one team
Speaker 1: for doing something very well. That was the problem the
Speaker 1: committee had with it at least half of the committee
Speaker 1: that voted, you know, to not try to ban this,
Speaker 1: and then they tabled it when they revisited what Goodell
Speaker 1: said yesterday. And this gets back to the era in
Speaker 1: which you played. I think it was two thousand and
Speaker 1: four or five, where they changed the rule to where
Speaker 1: they're allowing now a little bit of push and pull
Speaker 1: downfield amongst you know, there's a pile or there's a runner,
Speaker 1: you can do that. It used to be minunderstanding, at
Speaker 1: least looking at the rules that was prohibited. So I
Speaker 1: think they're going to go back to this, and they're
Speaker 1: going to lean on precedent from the early two thousands
Speaker 1: and instead of saying, well, the toush pushes banned because
Speaker 1: we hate the Eagles, No, they're just going to blatantly
Speaker 1: say no more pushing or pulling any ball carriers. But
Speaker 1: you know what, here's the thing, lou, the Eagles are
Speaker 1: still going to find a way to get three or
Speaker 1: four yards on quarterback sneaks because of several factors. And
Speaker 1: you know this well. Number one, the personnel they have upfront.
Speaker 1: Number two, the incredible strength of Jalen Hurt's lower body.
Speaker 1: And then number three, a man named Jess Stoutlin. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's all they need to do.
Speaker 3: Yep, gonna be interesting to see what happens.
Speaker 1: So you're not surprising, you're you're a proponent of keeping
Speaker 1: the push play, You're you're all for it.
Speaker 2: I am absolutely, I absolutely am. I think is I
Speaker 2: think they're being just in general?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what's interesting? What do you think about the expanded schedule?
Speaker 1: Like you were a player, You've been through this and
Speaker 1: this is a time in a space where you know,
Speaker 1: you look at players safety and there's all that conversation
Speaker 1: about that, and you have had conversations about concussions and
Speaker 1: you know, head injuries and all of that, and you
Speaker 1: were very fortunate in your career to have a lot
Speaker 1: of success and make it out without a lot of
Speaker 1: that in your inventory. But I will say this, the
Speaker 1: league is trying to push this thing to twenty games
Speaker 1: at some point. You know they are eighteen is next?
Speaker 3: What you thought?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, I'm going to cut you off and
Speaker 2: go back. For the reasons they want to ban the just
Speaker 2: push why on? Why? Because of what? Because of what?
Speaker 3: Job? Player safety?
Speaker 2: Because the players safety job. They want to ban it
Speaker 2: because of player safety. But they want twenty games. They
Speaker 2: want they want Thursday night games, they want Monday Winnesday.
Speaker 3: International to Brazil, Go to Brazil.
Speaker 2: They want all this stuff. But we're but but we're
Speaker 2: talking about player safety. It's hogwash, man, it's hog washed.
Speaker 2: I get it. It's hog washed. I wish Cadell would say, look,
Speaker 2: stop to play, or say fine, we won't we can't
Speaker 2: allow pushing on offense or pushing on defense. Fine, if
Speaker 2: that's what you're if you're going to change the rules
Speaker 2: and say you're not going to allow pushing the nuts, fine,
Speaker 2: but right now as well within the rules, I mean,
Speaker 2: just be honest with yourself. Just be honest is what
Speaker 2: I want them to do. I want them to be
Speaker 2: honest because they're not being honest at all. Yes, uh, let.
Speaker 3: No, they're not.
Speaker 1: And you know it's it's I almost I don't respect
Speaker 1: McVeigh for what he said, but I almost see his
Speaker 1: point that he's not hiding behind player safety. Somebody will
Speaker 1: just come out and say, look, nobody else can stop it.
Speaker 1: There's one team doing exceptionally well. No one else can
Speaker 1: stop it. And that's why we want to gone at
Speaker 1: least be honest, because that's exactly what that's when they
Speaker 1: want to.
Speaker 2: Go on, that's what I want, dude. I love hearing
Speaker 2: those other coaches say the Eagles do it well and
Speaker 2: you guys are mad about it. I love hearing some
Speaker 2: of those coaches say that. I absolutely love hearing the
Speaker 2: Lions well, not coaches, GMS and stuff like that. Like,
Speaker 2: I love hearing those guys say that stuff because it's
Speaker 2: the truth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Luther Broughton joins us, Look, I want to have
Speaker 1: a real discussion about contract distribution and contract management, Okay,
Speaker 1: because they have paid and I heard Todd Frantz and
Speaker 1: the guys from Athletes First have a podcast talking about,
Speaker 1: in not so many words, how they fleeced Jerry with
Speaker 1: the de contract. So you've got that tying up that cap.
Speaker 1: That cap number is enormous. You've got the Ceede Lamb deal.
Speaker 1: The Ceedee Lamb deal is fair. But to me, the
Speaker 1: guy that makes the most impact. If I'm thinking I'm
Speaker 1: an opposing head coach, I've got to account for Micah
Speaker 1: Parsons more than anybody on that other team if I'm
Speaker 1: playing Dallas, because he just REX games and he's sitting
Speaker 1: out there trying to battle in the media, and he
Speaker 1: has to speak up because the owner at the owner's
Speaker 1: meetings pretty much said, I don't know who his agent is, dude.
Speaker 3: His agent is David Milgedda. He's one of the most
Speaker 3: prominent guys in the league. What is Jerry doing and
Speaker 3: what does he is?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Is it time for Uncle Jerry to step back? And
Speaker 1: let you know, cousin Steven take up.
Speaker 2: It was time for Uncle Jerry to step back a
Speaker 2: while ago. Crazy, but you know what, it's Jerry's thing
Speaker 2: and he can do what he wants to do it.
Speaker 2: He said that time and time again, and he's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, He's right. But guess what. Guess what,
Speaker 2: bro I love it.
Speaker 3: I enjoy it as an Eagles guy.
Speaker 2: Yet as an Eagles fan, it's incredible watching Jerry mess
Speaker 2: up right.
Speaker 1: Right, Well, he waits too late for everything. He doesn't
Speaker 1: he's over loyal. He doesn't like paining coaches that aren't
Speaker 1: on his current sideline. This is why he keeps guys
Speaker 1: until the bitter end. And with these contracts, it's like
Speaker 1: there's an old adage, man, you know, Pat Kerwin has
Speaker 1: talked about this other front office guys like the longer
Speaker 1: you wait, the more expensive it gets and he waits to.
Speaker 3: The last minute.
Speaker 2: Don bro It's so dumb, it really is. And on
Speaker 2: the opposite end of the spectrum are the Eagles. They
Speaker 2: don't they get guys done. They get guys done. They
Speaker 2: you know, they make mistakes every now and then, paying
Speaker 2: people too early or whatever, every now and then, not
Speaker 2: very often. I'd rather make mistakes paying a guy too
Speaker 2: early than waiting, waiting, waiting, and see, boy, I wonder
Speaker 2: if this guy is going to give me a discount something.
Speaker 3: What are you? Nobody's given the Dallas cot.
Speaker 1: Well, have you ever in your in your time you
Speaker 1: were in the league for a few years when you
Speaker 1: were a free agent, ever did you did you ever
Speaker 1: visit Dallas?
Speaker 3: Did you ever have any negotiations?
Speaker 2: No, dude, listen to me. You and I know who
Speaker 2: I am. I don't have much of an ego and
Speaker 2: one of that many teams interested in the medal free agency.
Speaker 2: But look you.
Speaker 1: You look don don don mcdad's rookie year, Andy Reid,
Speaker 1: you led the team and touchdown set.
Speaker 2: There And let me tell you that was one of
Speaker 2: one of the best meetings I had with the coach
Speaker 2: about my abilities. Andy brought me in I'm a small
Speaker 2: I was a smart like nowadays might not be a
Speaker 2: small tight end. I'm a little.
Speaker 1: Shorter talking about and he brought me in and he said,
Speaker 1: he was like, look, I don't know how your confidence
Speaker 1: it is because I know.
Speaker 2: I know what your deficiency is in football. You're not
Speaker 2: a very good blocker in line block. But there are
Speaker 2: a lot of things that you can do and you
Speaker 2: do well. And he said, I don't know that many
Speaker 2: tight ends in the league who are versatile and run
Speaker 2: like you. So what we're going to do is take
Speaker 2: advantage of the things you do well. He said, I'm
Speaker 2: not going to part on what you don't do well,
Speaker 2: but we're going to get you better. But I only
Speaker 2: come who's not yelling at me because I can't block
Speaker 2: Reggie White.
Speaker 3: Well who did that.
Speaker 2: Exactly. And I'm being extreme, But you're not just yelling
Speaker 2: at because I'm not because I'm not Kyle Brady, who's
Speaker 2: the two hundred and eighty pounds.
Speaker 3: Brady, he was glorified offensive tackle.
Speaker 2: I remember, I love I loved watching him block.
Speaker 3: Good dude, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a monster. You get that guy, and you
Speaker 2: spect Luther who's who came out of college as a
Speaker 2: borified big wide receiver because I'm out there running rouse
Speaker 2: and then then you bring me in here and you
Speaker 2: just stick me down there at the play tight end
Speaker 2: on the line. Man.
Speaker 3: That's not how That's not how you would have That's
Speaker 3: not And I saw.
Speaker 1: Early highlights of you with some of these coaches, even
Speaker 1: with Seaford, and the way they deployed you at times.
Speaker 3: It drove me.
Speaker 1: Your classic move tight end, that's the West Coast offense here.
Speaker 1: You you tied in move tight end they call it.
Speaker 1: And that's what your game was in terms of you know.
Speaker 2: H back time to bro. Here's the crazy thing about it.
Speaker 2: Back up tight end, firm me die not a superstar,
Speaker 2: just sat back on the team. Guess what Andy did.
Speaker 2: Guess what Andy did. And he put in a whole
Speaker 2: package for me. Don't get packaged tight ends, don't get packages.
Speaker 2: And he called it a Luther package. He called it,
Speaker 2: he called the Tiger Luther. And I know I'm in
Speaker 2: the game and I'm going to be able to get
Speaker 2: some stuff.
Speaker 1: You've got your own and expression Andy Reid gave you
Speaker 1: a tag.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, dude, I had.
Speaker 2: I had my own set of plays. Tiger Luthor get
Speaker 2: in the game and that dude, I'm not bragging. I'm
Speaker 2: just telling you how he built how he built my
Speaker 2: confidence and didn't kick me. He didn't kick me man,
Speaker 2: because of the things I didn't do well, and he
Speaker 2: brought my confidence that I didn't have a lot of time.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying that my coaches, especially my position
Speaker 2: coach in Carolina, I love that. I'm not saying those
Speaker 2: guys weren't be coaching and I'm not saying that they
Speaker 2: worked on me. And I'm not saying they those particular
Speaker 2: diapoles on what I couldn't do. I'm telling you what
Speaker 2: Auntie did. What he did was in still confidence and
Speaker 2: he and he told me to capitalize on the things
Speaker 2: that i'd be well. He said, make sure you're doing
Speaker 2: that that then you do well. You show that. Now
Speaker 2: we're going to work on your blocking. They're not a
Speaker 2: very good in line boxer, so we're going to have
Speaker 2: you out after the practice and we're going to work
Speaker 2: on some things. But what I do know, as I can,
Speaker 2: if I stick you out here in too tight a
Speaker 2: information and the other team brings it takes out nickel
Speaker 2: and plays base that you're going to destroy their linebacker
Speaker 2: or their strong fifty covering me. I'm gonna put some
Speaker 2: plays in employees. That built my confidence, dude. That's why.
Speaker 2: And I believed again that I could play in the
Speaker 2: NFL because the guys people think that like professional aren't real.
Speaker 2: They don't have the normal feelings. Dude. I was like,
Speaker 2: I can't play. I can't play in this league. I'm
Speaker 2: I might not be good enough. That's how I was
Speaker 2: for a while. John, When did.
Speaker 3: When did the light?
Speaker 2: When?
Speaker 3: When did it go? When did it? Did it click
Speaker 3: in ninety or had success before? When did it go off?
Speaker 2: I can tell you. I can start off by telling
Speaker 2: me when it really got broken? And you could take
Speaker 2: one guess. The name rhymes with mod Mooden.
Speaker 1: We know the great, the great form of Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: said John Gruden. We've heard the story and let's keep
Speaker 1: it there.
Speaker 2: But you and John, John, John didn't think I could
Speaker 2: play football?
Speaker 3: John?
Speaker 2: Football? What I could play?
Speaker 3: Why not? What did what did?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 3: John? You weren't soft? I know this, but I know
Speaker 3: this story ductive.
Speaker 2: John was kund of productive. He treated me like I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna say the word because I remember that word
Speaker 2: on the radio. He treated me like crap, dude. He listen,
Speaker 2: My dad is one of those tough love dads. Words
Speaker 2: don't bother me. You could tell me, Lucy, you're afing
Speaker 2: up and all I'm thinking. All I'm thinking, and you
Speaker 2: tell me if I worked here doing what I heard
Speaker 2: was Luther, you made some mistakes. Shire. We gotta we
Speaker 2: gotta change that, and you gotta coaching. You got to
Speaker 2: bother me. He doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: An exit ramp from being a just a belligerent, counterproductive screamer,
Speaker 1: which Gruden a lot of people said the same thing
Speaker 1: about him. And look, he's got some bona fides in
Speaker 1: all respect to his There's got to be an exit
Speaker 1: ramp from yelling at somebody. The exit ramp needs to
Speaker 1: be okay. We we've got that out of the way.
Speaker 1: Even Parcels had an act for this. But then where's
Speaker 1: the teaching coming in? Belichick, master of that dude.
Speaker 2: Listen, man, I remember Chad Lewis said, whoa Chad always
Speaker 2: called me bro? He said, Bro, what did you do
Speaker 2: to Brude? I said, what do you mean? He said, Bro?
Speaker 3: He just.
Speaker 2: He's like he's like he kills me everything you do.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. He doesn't really coach you up. He just
Speaker 2: goes off on you. And I was like, Chad, I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude. I was distraught. Man. I was like, Chad,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Dade. I don't know what I did.
Speaker 2: Who I said something I said? I don't know, bro.
Speaker 2: And uh, but when I left, when I when I left,
Speaker 2: uh Mini camp? And I might have told this story
Speaker 2: before when I left Mini Camp or you know what
Speaker 2: I did, John, Yeah, I went home, went back to Furman,
Speaker 2: start talking to some people to start working on my
Speaker 2: grad school because I didn't think I was good enough.
Speaker 2: I didn't think I could fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's smart, that's that's that's a smart thing
Speaker 1: to do anything.
Speaker 2: My cousin went off on I mean, he was like,
Speaker 2: are you crazy? He was like, dude, you you're a baller.
Speaker 2: You know, it's says some you know, people who know you,
Speaker 2: who can tell you when you need to bleep off
Speaker 2: or when you need to wake up and wake and
Speaker 2: you know how it is a lot of family can
Speaker 2: do that to you. Oh, I know the people you
Speaker 2: trust can tell you the worst things about you. Those
Speaker 2: are the people who get a pass. Uh. You know,
Speaker 2: you can tell me how much of a jerk. I
Speaker 2: am if if if you, if you're not, I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm not seeking your your opinion. It doesn't hurt me,
Speaker 2: it doesn't bother me.
Speaker 1: Well just quickly before before we hit it, because we're
Speaker 1: on a clock. Unfortunately this happens all the time. But
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just claim this is my own because Doc Climban,
Speaker 1: who has ripped off a lot of people on Twitter
Speaker 1: for their content, including me, over the years. I don't
Speaker 1: think he ripped this off from us, but he did.
Speaker 1: You sent me a tweet from him, a little screenshot,
Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure I give him
Speaker 1: credit even though this is our bit.
Speaker 3: The ninety nine Eagles.
Speaker 1: Team under Andy Reid produced nine future head coaches, and
Speaker 1: the man on this phone right now, Luther Broden, played
Speaker 1: for each of them. Brad Childress, David Cully, Pat Schirmer,
Speaker 1: Ron Rivera, who's now the GM out of cal Less,
Speaker 1: Frasier Spags, John Harball, Doug Peterson, and and let's not
Speaker 1: forget Sean who is the Deuyt Shrewd of the staff
Speaker 1: as you've got assistant to the assistant.
Speaker 2: To the But you but you knew when you met him,
Speaker 2: like because when he didn't know. You always started from
Speaker 2: the bottom. Yeah, yeah, when you when you met and
Speaker 2: you knew like this guy, this guy is something.
Speaker 3: The coaching tree is insane.
Speaker 1: At some point, I'm gonna I'm gonna pull you aside
Speaker 1: and we're gonna find a way.
Speaker 3: It's never gonna happen to.
Speaker 1: Get all of them on a conference call together for
Speaker 1: the ultimate Mega cast, the Andy Reid Reunion, which will
Speaker 1: never happen. But look, it's it's great lou catching up
Speaker 1: with you. I do have one last thing to say
Speaker 1: before we hit this very quick break.
Speaker 3: The Toush push.
Speaker 1: I think there should be something like, you know, you've
Speaker 1: got a Hall pass, you've got the speed pass. How
Speaker 1: about a Toush pass. What's a game coach pulls out
Speaker 1: a card, pulls out a car and says, look, here's
Speaker 1: my toush pass. I get won a game and then
Speaker 1: everybody wins. No, I'm with you. You You've turned me
Speaker 1: around on this the rest of the learn how.
Speaker 2: To stop honest, just be honest, Louis.
Speaker 3: We got to hit it, man. It's great to hear
Speaker 3: your voice, Bud. This is fun, all right, brother,