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That's Primo golf Apparel dot com. 29 00:01:25,079 --> 00:01:27,560 Let's get out to the hotline. Welcome in Kevin Reynolds 30 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,400 of the Solid Tribune. Kevin, how thatck are you, buddy? 31 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 3: I'm good man. 32 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:32,599 Speaker 2: How are you living the dream? 33 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:32,799 Speaker 4: Man? 34 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 2: Appreciate you hopping on and talking some ball with us. 35 00:01:36,239 --> 00:01:39,959 What he's been recently publicizing there at the Solid Tribune. 36 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,159 What you've been writing about recently, keV, Well. 37 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,079 Speaker 3: We just finished up the Kilani saga of last week, 38 00:01:46,599 --> 00:01:49,040 so that was that was kind of the main thing 39 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,879 from a week ago, and now we kind of move 40 00:01:51,959 --> 00:01:56,000 into an off season now where we have Utah making 41 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,400 private equity deals and by you trying to sayigure out 42 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,319 how it's going to get you know, break through to 43 00:02:02,359 --> 00:02:04,959 the playoffs next year. And yeah, we'll move on to 44 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:05,680 basketball too. 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 2: Well, let's discuss the Kalani Satake situation here. What did 46 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:14,479 you make of it? What did you take away from 47 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,879 that particular saga leading up to the Texas Tech Big 48 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,960 Twelve Championship game. 49 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: A couple of things. First, I don't think I ever 50 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,080 really believe that Klana Sataki was actually going to leave 51 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,599 for Penn State or really anywhere, because Kilani is a 52 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:33,479 BYU guy. He grew up rooting for BYU, he played 53 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,520 for Lavelle Edwards, and I think he's in a really 54 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:39,840 good situation when you look overall at what he could 55 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,560 do at BYU if he got resources to do it, 56 00:02:42,879 --> 00:02:45,280 with BYU being in the Big Twelve now having a 57 00:02:45,319 --> 00:02:50,000 power Power Conference affiliation. He's won twenty two twenty what 58 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:52,960 is twenty two games in the last two years, and 59 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,840 that's the most of the Big Twelve over that time 60 00:02:55,199 --> 00:02:58,319 has BYU in a championship game in the third year. 61 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:01,639 I mean, all these things that are very incredible accomplishments. 62 00:03:01,759 --> 00:03:04,639 But at the same time, like I thought, BYU almost 63 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,800 put themselves in this position a little bit to where 64 00:03:07,599 --> 00:03:09,919 you had a coach who had all this attachment to 65 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,240 the university, who was winning and highly successful, yet it 66 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:16,319 took this long to give him a contract extension and 67 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:19,280 give him the resources that he needs to compete and 68 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:19,560 go to. 69 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 4: The college playoff. 70 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 3: When you look at around and I think it's sometimes 71 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,759 difficult to compare, but when you look at how many 72 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:29,520 resources the basketball program has gotten over the last year, 73 00:03:29,759 --> 00:03:33,000 Kevin Young, Aj Debondza, Rob Wright, you can go through 74 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:37,599 the list, Richie Saunders staying in BYU. Clearly BYU has 75 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,360 invested at a very high level in one sport, and 76 00:03:40,439 --> 00:03:42,479 I think the question was will it invest in the 77 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,960 high level in football too, And I think Klanie play 78 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,199 played the cards right and the fact that he was saying, hey, like, 79 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,400 look at all the success that BYU football's had, It's 80 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:57,080 the flagship program. No matter how good basketball is, football 81 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,800 is the flagship program at BYU and pretty much every 82 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,960 other university, football is the flagship program. And like, I 83 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:05,719 don't think he was asking for a ton. I think 84 00:04:05,759 --> 00:04:08,319 he was asking for what he needs. And I thought 85 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,439 I was. I was struck by kind of his reaction 86 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,840 to it last week, where I thought it was very 87 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:16,879 authentic and very genuine to who Kilanie is and the 88 00:04:16,879 --> 00:04:18,639 fact that he didn't say that he had a list 89 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,759 of demands that he wanted Brian Santiago to meet. It 90 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:23,759 wasn't that he was asking to become the highest pig 91 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,879 coach in college football or that he wanted every single 92 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,240 facility to look like Texas or Alabama. I think he 93 00:04:30,399 --> 00:04:34,439 was just genuinely wanting to feel respected at BYU. And 94 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,759 the other part is just can you get enough around 95 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,920 BYU football to compete going forward where they can be 96 00:04:41,959 --> 00:04:45,240 a consistent player in the top fifteen. And I think 97 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,319 now that that looks like the foundation is in place 98 00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:51,079 to have that. But yeah, I thought it just took 99 00:04:51,519 --> 00:04:53,680 It took a very long time for BYU to do. 100 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:58,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, you hate the timing of it. It was probably 101 00:04:58,439 --> 00:05:00,959 a little delayed. I don't know if you heard the 102 00:05:00,959 --> 00:05:04,560 postgame comments from Kilani. Did you buy chance some of 103 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,319 the postgame comments you said, first of all, I was 104 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,639 trying to get the extension. Yeah, I was trying to 105 00:05:08,639 --> 00:05:11,839 get the extension done way before. Even last year's extension 106 00:05:11,959 --> 00:05:14,279 wasn't good enough. I think he's saying it wasn't maybe 107 00:05:14,319 --> 00:05:16,439 long enough. He was just a two year extension. I 108 00:05:16,439 --> 00:05:18,519 want to be here for the long run. I asked 109 00:05:18,519 --> 00:05:20,000 for this stuff to be taken care of by the 110 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,079 bye week. It wasn't, and it lingered on, so I 111 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:24,639 didn't know if BYU was going to get that done. 112 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,720 Now we've got it done. It disrupted us for one day. 113 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,519 I tried to avoid it as much as I can 114 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,319 as head coach, but I don't make all the rules. 115 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:34,279 I'm just glad it got done eventually and that I'm 116 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,040 going to be here for a long time. I don't 117 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:40,040 ever have to plan about leaving. This is where it's at. 118 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:42,639 So you're saying, hey, this is where it's at. I've 119 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:44,920 always wanted to be here. I'm glad you guys were 120 00:05:44,959 --> 00:05:47,199 able to Our guys were able to focus and keep 121 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:49,079 fighting along. But we were trying to get this done 122 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:49,920 a long time ago. 123 00:05:49,959 --> 00:05:52,959 Speaker 3: Your thoughts reactions to that, No, Yeah, I think that's 124 00:05:52,959 --> 00:05:55,439 just what we're talking about, is like, why did YU 125 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:57,800 kind of drag their feet on this for so long? 126 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:02,120 When also the coaching tool YU isn't exactly a super 127 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:03,879 long list. I mean, I know Jay Hill is in 128 00:06:03,879 --> 00:06:07,639 the building, and I know he could potentially be a 129 00:06:07,639 --> 00:06:11,000 head coach at BYU someday or if it's not YU, 130 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:13,279 he'll be a head coach somewhere else for sure, because 131 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,839 of how successful he's been going back to Weaver State 132 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:17,920 and then what he's done at BYU. But at the 133 00:06:17,959 --> 00:06:20,160 same time, you have a guy in the building who 134 00:06:20,199 --> 00:06:23,160 wants to be there, who has been extremely successful, has 135 00:06:23,959 --> 00:06:27,079 has knows this job better than anyone, like pretty much 136 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:28,680 at this point now that he's been on the job 137 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,240 for over a decade, and they couldn't get it done. 138 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,480 They couldn't get it done until they were absolutely pushed 139 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,560 to the limit with Penn State coming in and a 140 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,560 couple of others. And the other part is it's like 141 00:06:41,199 --> 00:06:43,920 the one thing I don't understand all the time from 142 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,600 like why it took so long, is it was only 143 00:06:46,639 --> 00:06:49,639 a matter of time before the end of the season 144 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,759 hit or the end of the regular season hit, and 145 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,279 you have all these jobs open. Somebody was going to 146 00:06:54,319 --> 00:06:56,439 be interested in Kawani Sataki, and if that was not 147 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,680 Penn State, it was going to be somebody else. That's 148 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:00,959 just the nature of when twenty two games in a 149 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:03,600 Power for conference and now there's a bunch of openings, 150 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:05,199 and if it didn't happen this year, it was probably 151 00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:08,680 gonna happen next year, and it was going to be 152 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,519 a consistent thing until you get a deal in place 153 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,160 that is a long term deal. And so it felt 154 00:07:15,199 --> 00:07:18,480 self inflicted to me from BYU side as to why 155 00:07:18,519 --> 00:07:21,040 this became such a big deal on a week when 156 00:07:21,079 --> 00:07:24,439 really BYU should be not focused on that, because this 157 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,759 is theoretically if you had a deal in place. This 158 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,879 is a time when you sign a recruiting class, the 159 00:07:28,879 --> 00:07:30,920 best recruiting class you've had in a really long time, 160 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,199 best lender, Kaline Sintake, you have rider Liones brock Herris, 161 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:36,639 You're going to a Big twelve title game the third year, 162 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,279 and yet the entire conversation for the entire week is 163 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:42,240 about Penn State and Kline Satake. That to me feels 164 00:07:42,279 --> 00:07:46,279 like feels like it was avoidable, and I don't know, 165 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:50,639 obviously in the end it was. We'll look back at 166 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:53,839 it and we will probably see the recruiting class and 167 00:07:53,879 --> 00:07:56,759 the Big twelve title, but feels like it was definitely avoidable. 168 00:07:58,120 --> 00:08:00,439 Speaker 2: Still top twenty one class, they got it done right, 169 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:02,759 and that could have it could have been bad, but 170 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:05,439 it ended up being good. Top twenty one class. If 171 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:10,040 BYU is overachieving right now versus their composite score, their 172 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,600 recruiting ranking, I think they had the seventieth best talent 173 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,839 per two four seven in college football. They've gone eleven 174 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:19,680 and two in back to back seasons. They were on 175 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:21,920 the outside looking in of the College Fotball Playoff, but 176 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,079 they're knocking on the door right now. What's the potential 177 00:08:25,079 --> 00:08:28,279 for this Cougar football team that continually overachieved versus maybe 178 00:08:28,279 --> 00:08:31,480 the talents and even the resources that they've had up 179 00:08:31,519 --> 00:08:34,000 to this point in their college football path. 180 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:37,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think they. I think you're right. I was 181 00:08:37,879 --> 00:08:40,720 talking to a recruit on Wednesday or last yeah, on 182 00:08:40,879 --> 00:08:43,320 signing day last week, and he kind of said the 183 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:45,840 same thing of like BYU has been very successful with 184 00:08:46,519 --> 00:08:49,480 recruiting classes that have not been among the best in 185 00:08:49,519 --> 00:08:51,720 the Big twelve. If you look at the talent of 186 00:08:51,759 --> 00:08:54,600 positive scores like you're talking about, and those aren't everything, 187 00:08:54,639 --> 00:08:56,679 but I think they are something, and they're an indicator 188 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,320 of you know, how much like kind of what's the 189 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,559 ceiling of it the team can be, or like closing 190 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,559 the gap on teams like Texas Tech, who are obviously 191 00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:08,440 at the top of the Big Twelve and now that 192 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,799 you can get a higher level of recruit consistently. I 193 00:09:10,799 --> 00:09:13,480 think Brock Harris was a huge part of this recruiting 194 00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:15,720 class in terms of being one of the first really 195 00:09:15,759 --> 00:09:19,919 highly rated four to five star guys to sign on 196 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,240 to this class. Then you get Ryder Lions because of 197 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:26,080 the relationship there, and then everybody. I think once you 198 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,799 get a four or five star quarterback, depending on where 199 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,120 you look in the mix, then of course you can 200 00:09:32,159 --> 00:09:35,000 start putting together a class that is in the top 201 00:09:35,039 --> 00:09:37,480 twenty five consistently. And I think we still need to 202 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,759 see that build out for BYU. I don't think an 203 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,240 overnight six and those guys don't really get there until 204 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,360 twenty twenty seven. But yeah, I think the ceiling grows higher, 205 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,600 and now it's about closing the gap on the top 206 00:09:48,639 --> 00:09:52,240 of the Big twelve, because you know, the Big Twelve, 207 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,039 for even though it's a powerful conference like we've seen, 208 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:58,440 like it's a one to two bid league and at 209 00:09:58,519 --> 00:10:01,320 two bid league at most at least that's what it 210 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,279 looks like. So closing that gap on Texas Tech and 211 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:07,480 the heavy spenders in the Big twelve, like I think 212 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:09,399 by Us in the upper half of Lee for sure, 213 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,879 and they can definitely could be consistently there. But can 214 00:10:12,919 --> 00:10:16,399 you consistently get back and maybe beat Texas Tech or 215 00:10:16,399 --> 00:10:18,559 at least be more competitive. I think that is the 216 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,279 next goal, and I think that the recruiting classes. 217 00:10:20,919 --> 00:10:21,399 Speaker 4: Like that help. 218 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,519 Speaker 2: Kevin Reynold Sully Tribune here on ESPN the Fandom, Little 219 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,960 Cougar Beat brought to you buy our good friends at 220 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:31,759 Bresa Cleaning Services. Bresa makes it a breeze to keep 221 00:10:31,799 --> 00:10:35,519 your house clean and you get seventy dollars off right 222 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,759 now if you mentioned myself or ESPN the Fan, So 223 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,759 give Gabby at her crew a call eight O one 224 00:10:42,519 --> 00:10:44,600 three eight zero eight zero eight seven. That's eight to 225 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,279 one three eight zero eight zero eight seven mentioned myself 226 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,759 for seventy dollars off your first cleaning at A one 227 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:54,799 three eight zero eight zero eight seven. Kevin, what do 228 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:58,879 you plan on maybe publishing here this week and maybe 229 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:00,440 next week? Give us a little pref you give us 230 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:01,720 a little taste of what you guys are gonna be 231 00:11:01,759 --> 00:11:03,120 talking about at the trip. 232 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the big thing. I mean, 233 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,080 I you know, the Bowl games are the Bowl games, 234 00:11:09,159 --> 00:11:11,840 and I think those are probably fun to talk about 235 00:11:11,879 --> 00:11:13,440 for a day or two. But you know, I don't 236 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,080 think they really move the needle that much. But you know, 237 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:18,039 I think that the biggest thing is about going into 238 00:11:18,039 --> 00:11:20,799 the off season and what what by you need to do, 239 00:11:20,879 --> 00:11:23,799 But also from a broader perspective, like what does it 240 00:11:23,840 --> 00:11:27,320 look like? I think the big question in this state 241 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,279 will be for the next month or so about this 242 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,679 private equity deal from Utah. Oh yeah, and the ripple 243 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,320 effects around the Big twelve, the Big the Big ten, 244 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,279 the SEC and what does that actually look like? So 245 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:42,720 those are probably the toskers I think will be the 246 00:11:42,759 --> 00:11:43,519 most interesting. 247 00:11:44,159 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 2: Give you your take, and I'm sure your your your 248 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,080 counterparts there at the trip have written about the UH 249 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,519 the private equity deal with Outro Capital. What do you 250 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,559 make of it? What do we know about it? What 251 00:11:55,639 --> 00:11:59,360 does this do for University of Utah athletics? What does 252 00:11:59,360 --> 00:11:59,840 it all mean? 253 00:12:00,879 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? I think probably I guess for me two things. One, 254 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:09,799 I think it was inevitable that somebody was going to 255 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:12,600 get private equity in the mix of college football, just 256 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:16,720 because it does take so much money to compete in 257 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,320 college athletics. If you're going to do REGs share and 258 00:12:19,360 --> 00:12:20,919 you're going to do nil and you're going to have 259 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,879 to invest thirty twenty thirty forty million dollars into football 260 00:12:24,919 --> 00:12:27,200 rosters to make the college football playoffs and get the 261 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,559 financial rewards of being competitive and the everything that comes 262 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,320 with being a college football playoff team. Obviously, these a 263 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:38,480 lot of schools were cast strapped, and Utah was kind 264 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:40,000 of one of them. I mean, they were going to 265 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,039 be running a deficit. Mark Carlin said that for the 266 00:12:42,039 --> 00:12:45,000 next few years. I think they were in seventeen million 267 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,360 dollar deficit last year, and I know part of that 268 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:50,240 is to do with the Pac twelve and everything there, 269 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,919 So it's not like that it would be seventeen million 270 00:12:52,919 --> 00:12:56,120 dollars every year. But at the same time, I think 271 00:12:56,159 --> 00:12:58,919 a lot of schools needed to find a solution to 272 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,480 it and get more of a cash influx. And this 273 00:13:02,519 --> 00:13:04,399 seems like it's going to bring in hundreds of million 274 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:08,039 dollars for Utah, So there is the inevitability of that. 275 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,399 But at the same time, like I think, there's real 276 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,679 questions about how if this is a good thing, if 277 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:16,159 this is where college athletics should be moving. I know 278 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,159 there's guardrails in place, and Utah has said there's guardrails 279 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,840 in place. But what actually happens when push comes to 280 00:13:21,879 --> 00:13:26,080 show and the you know, Utah football is losing or 281 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:30,720 a basketball team is losing. What happens with the the 282 00:13:30,759 --> 00:13:33,960 people in private equity who we've seen in every other 283 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:39,559 every other sector of where private equity fits like, it's 284 00:13:40,519 --> 00:13:42,919 I don't know if you can expect that college football 285 00:13:42,919 --> 00:13:45,759 will be completely different with college private equity than it was, 286 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,559 you know, I mean, look at our business with newspapers 287 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:51,000 right Like, I don't know if that's going to look 288 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:53,720 completely different just because it's college athletics and because there's 289 00:13:53,759 --> 00:13:56,960 guardrails like do they have stay in coaching staff hires 290 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,000 or when you know, what does pricing look like for fans? 291 00:14:00,039 --> 00:14:02,399 It's like, how does that change the fan experience? And 292 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,279 what does that look like? If it's not going well 293 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,879 like this? Are there kind of off ramps? And I 294 00:14:07,919 --> 00:14:10,639 don't know if we have all the answers, and I 295 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:13,120 think but I do think there are serious questions to 296 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,320 be asked about all of this and what the future 297 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,000 looks like for Utah and then the other school that 298 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:23,240 goes goes into it, and we'll see. I mean, look 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:25,480 at Michigan, they've already said that they didn't. They did 300 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:28,639 not feel comfortable with this. So we'll see. 301 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,159 Speaker 2: Last thing, keV. Best way to support to you what 302 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:33,480 you do, how you do it. For all those that 303 00:14:33,519 --> 00:14:36,039 are tuning in, Yeah. 304 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: Just go solid tribute and read read our stuff. We 305 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,159 really appreciate it and we'll have a lot of stuff 306 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:43,960 on all the stuff we're talking about now. 307 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:46,759 Speaker 2: Love it, Kevin, appreciate you man, Thanks for hopping on. 308 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:48,720 Great great comments, great segment. 309 00:14:49,679 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank man. 310 00:14:50,799 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: There you go. That's Kevin RYANDLDS. 311 00:14:52,039 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: Guys. 312 00:14:52,639 --> 00:14:54,879 Speaker 2: If you love Avatar, if you love to watch movies, 313 00:14:54,919 --> 00:14:56,639 I like movies, You like movies. We all like movies, 314 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,519 just like ice cream. 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I think you will as well go in and 354 00:16:49,919 --> 00:16:52,799 try on and Elevate suit today and see what I'm 355 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,600 talking about. VP products, vmpy service, VP discounts. Let them 356 00:16:55,679 --> 00:16:57,720 know I sent you and you're gonna get discounts. No 357 00:16:57,759 --> 00:16:59,600 ifs answer much about it. Let's get out to the hotline. 358 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,200 Welcome in the Lush's aired Lefty. We got Riley Nelson 359 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:03,759 on the line. Riley, how the heck are you? Buddy? 360 00:17:04,759 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 4: Chris de Bank credit doing great, Thanks for reaching out today. 361 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:07,799 Happy to be on. 362 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:10,839 Speaker 2: Always a pleasure always a blessing man talking ball with you. 363 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,519 Eleven and two man two losses or to the number 364 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,920 four team in the country. B always got an opportunity 365 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,160 to knock off another top twenty five team in Georgia 366 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,119 Tech in the pop tarts ball. It would have been 367 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,160 glorious had we beat had we played Notre Dame. It didn't. 368 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:27,680 It didn't happen because the Notre Dame Irish are now 369 00:17:27,759 --> 00:17:30,240 the quitting Irish. You know, when things get tough, when 370 00:17:30,319 --> 00:17:32,400 you get ousted out of the college football playoff, then 371 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,240 you quit. That is the Irish way. But is this 372 00:17:35,279 --> 00:17:38,279 one of the best seasons in BYU football history? Where'd 373 00:17:38,279 --> 00:17:39,640 you rank it amongst the best? 374 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm sure you've dug into the topic, like in 375 00:17:45,279 --> 00:17:48,160 the stats more than I have. But I mean, well, 376 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:51,839 so let's talk in the Klonie Sataka era. Unquestionably it's 377 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:54,319 better than that. I mean, all due respect to the 378 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,680 COVID year and the eleven to one record that was 379 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,559 posted then, but like you can't even compare the level 380 00:18:00,559 --> 00:18:04,200 of competition and strength and schedule and all that, And 381 00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:06,480 then of course you had last year's eleven and two, 382 00:18:06,559 --> 00:18:09,400 but this year is eleven and two. Beats last year 383 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:13,599 is eleven and two. In that, you know the with 384 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:15,440 the two losses, the tech that you only lost coming 385 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:17,880 to a ranked ranked top ten of oponent on the road, 386 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,000 then you're the lost coming to a conference championship game 387 00:18:20,039 --> 00:18:21,880 where last year they failed to make it the conference 388 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,559 championship game. So unquestionably in the in the Kawanie Sataka era, 389 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,960 then my mind goes to in the men Hall era, 390 00:18:29,319 --> 00:18:31,759 you got on nine, you got six, both of those, 391 00:18:31,839 --> 00:18:36,839 but the O six, y'all were conference champions, right, Ben. 392 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, no six and O seven we were conference champions. 393 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh that's right, they were both eleven and two. 394 00:18:44,279 --> 00:18:45,000 I'm sorry I thought. 395 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:50,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we lost thirty six six. We lost because 396 00:18:50,519 --> 00:18:52,839 at u of A to start the season, like a 397 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,000 fifty yard field goal Nick Folk got us game winning field. 398 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,079 We also had like an offensive p I called us 399 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,119 called on us that set us back and you know 400 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,960 it was a touchdown. Anyway, we lost double ot to 401 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:10,279 Matt Ryan, ranked ranked Boston college team on the road, 402 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,279 and then seven we lost to Tulsa on the road 403 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,200 in a shootout. The Tulsa team was was led by 404 00:19:18,759 --> 00:19:20,960 oh gosh, Gus malls On. That was the best offense 405 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:23,119 in college football that year, and our defense had their 406 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,440 worst performance ever. It was atrocious. And then we lost 407 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,559 to U c. L A on the road in the 408 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,000 Rose Bowl by like one, you know. 409 00:19:33,079 --> 00:19:36,519 Speaker 4: That that was Oh we beat him, seventeen sixteen, we 410 00:19:36,599 --> 00:19:37,000 beat him. 411 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we lost by maybe lotted by six or 412 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,160 something like that. The uy U U c l A. 413 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,359 I can't remember. Yeah, we lost on the road in 414 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:46,000 the Rose Bowl. 415 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 4: They called back, which what team would you say was better? 416 00:19:49,559 --> 00:19:52,920 To MEO six is better? Yeah. 417 00:19:53,039 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting because you had a young Max Hall, 418 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,559 Austin Colley, Dennis Pitta, but our offense was middle of 419 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:02,359 the pack in two thousand and seven. Harvey Unga also 420 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:07,839 a young Harvey Unga, so our offense although like look 421 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:12,440 in the loss versus UCLA at UCLA, it was our 422 00:20:12,519 --> 00:20:16,960 offense that that didn't show up in the game in Tulsa, 423 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:21,480 the defense didn't show up. So it's like, statistically throughout 424 00:20:21,519 --> 00:20:24,640 the year, the defense was was elite. We were top 425 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:28,200 ten defense and the offense was like a top forty 426 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,960 offense roughly around there. 427 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I mean O nine was not conference champions. 428 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,400 So even though they were eleven and two so to me, like, 429 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:41,279 maybe you give the NATO six. So let's go, like Kilani, 430 00:20:41,799 --> 00:20:46,160 so this year beats last year, so let's talk about it. 431 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,599 So let's go. So this year, oh six is in 432 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:52,920 the running. I don't know where you put twenty and one. 433 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,200 The twelve and two year. Just the way that ended 434 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,000 put such a bad taste in everybody's mouth. But dude, 435 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,440 that was pretty magical and like that Crochton offense and 436 00:20:59,519 --> 00:21:03,200 Luke State League and Dolman and Doug Jolly and Reno 437 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:06,079 and everybody doing their thing like that was I remember 438 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,799 those guys being on being on Sports Center every every week. 439 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,480 But and I think they won the conference championship, but 440 00:21:13,519 --> 00:21:16,720 I'm not sure that anyway can my criteria you have 441 00:21:16,759 --> 00:21:18,960 to have. You know, By's had their share of ass 442 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,839 to have been the top ten finish, which you know, 443 00:21:21,039 --> 00:21:23,079 I don't think BYU will backdoor their way and who knows, 444 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,799 maybe if they put you know, if they Beta Georgia 445 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:29,319 Tech in the in the ball and a couple of 446 00:21:29,319 --> 00:21:32,160 these teams on the back half of the bracket, you know, 447 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:34,960 don't show up and they college football playoff, maybe BYU 448 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,400 like breaksam. But the great thing about playing at BYU 449 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,480 is the criteria is extremely high, so to me, like 450 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,880 conference champion, which unfortunately wasn't accomplished this year, and then 451 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,480 a top ten finish. So I don't know how many 452 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:52,039 teams meet that criteria. I'm pretty sure obviously eighty four does. 453 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:57,519 I'm pretty sure ninety six did. I think did did 454 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:01,200 did they do that in eighty two? 455 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,720 Speaker 2: Eighty three was really good, eighty four obviously in the 456 00:22:04,799 --> 00:22:09,680 national championship year, eighty five was really good. Nineteen eighty 457 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,119 was a really good season with Jim McMahon. Yeah. 458 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:16,839 Speaker 4: Yeah, Conference champion championships matter like conference championships matter to me, 459 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,200 And I think that's what's broken about the state of 460 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,359 college football is the dude, I am beside myself that 461 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Miami got in like didn't even play in the conference 462 00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:30,759 championship game. You know, I don't Duke is your conference champion? 463 00:22:30,839 --> 00:22:33,680 Like how did they not get anyway? So I don't 464 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,720 get started on all that. The question was where does 465 00:22:35,759 --> 00:22:40,640 this rankling BYU. It maybe is sitting there around just 466 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:43,440 us like back of the knakin. It's maybe sitting there 467 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:48,880 around five, four or five. But the reasons why it's 468 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,119 not top three for me, I mean obviously, eighty four 469 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,480 is one. You were the national champion, right, And the 470 00:22:54,519 --> 00:22:56,759 reason why it's not right there behind that for me 471 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,720 is they didn't quite get the jobs done as far 472 00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:04,599 as becoming a champion conference champion. And then you know 473 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720 the two losses by U has had undefeated and one 474 00:23:07,839 --> 00:23:11,759 lost seasons previously. So there you go. There's my there's 475 00:23:11,759 --> 00:23:15,160 my ranking of it. But dude, from the start, this 476 00:23:15,279 --> 00:23:19,160 might be this might be the absolute best from where 477 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,359 everybody had us pegged in August. And I'm not talking 478 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:24,079 about the media, because I'm pretty sure they did away 479 00:23:24,079 --> 00:23:26,000 with the preseason media pull, but I'm just talking about 480 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,359 like losing rests laugh and not knowing who the QB 481 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,000 is going to be in expectations like bottoming out and 482 00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,480 everybody saying, yeah, i'd I'd be happy with six wins 483 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,480 if we could just get to boiligibility right, And now 484 00:23:36,519 --> 00:23:39,000 here we were, you know, eleven and two playing for 485 00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:42,119 the conference championship. It's an amazing job by these players 486 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:42,880 and these coaches. 487 00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:48,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, what were your what was your like early preseason 488 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480 predictions all considered, right. 489 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 4: Said Yeah, I said I said eight. This is even 490 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,119 to me, this was quarterback agnostic because I just felt 491 00:23:59,279 --> 00:24:01,880 really strong that the defense, which was the strength of 492 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,440 the team last year, was very good and they had 493 00:24:04,559 --> 00:24:08,799 made moves to be better. So I had said, you know, 494 00:24:08,839 --> 00:24:11,839 I'm pegging at eight. I said, my most optimistic case 495 00:24:12,039 --> 00:24:15,680 is is ten. So that was my quarter. So I 496 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400 wasn't that off, but I was blue goggling, And for me, 497 00:24:18,559 --> 00:24:21,119 it all stends to the fact that like, we are 498 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,559 not the Cougars of the eighties, which, by the way, 499 00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:26,480 the defenses in the eighties were awesome too. You don't 500 00:24:26,519 --> 00:24:29,519 become a double digit win team if you're not really 501 00:24:29,519 --> 00:24:31,279 good on both sides of the ball. But I really 502 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,160 felt like this defense was special enough to carry this 503 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,440 team this year, which is why my floor maybe didn't 504 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,480 go as low as others. And I think it proved 505 00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:44,119 to be true that the defense was definitely the rock 506 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,200 and the most consistent performing of the three phases for 507 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,880 this team. But man bear Bachmeyer's consistency and the offensive production, 508 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,039 especially in the run game, and LJ. Martin becoming the 509 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:57,160 Offensive Conference Player of the Year, like all those things. Like, Bro, 510 00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,359 if you would have said to me, we would have 511 00:24:58,519 --> 00:25:00,799 the offense the conference off Sensive Player of the Year 512 00:25:00,839 --> 00:25:03,440 on our team. Yeah, I would have been like sweet. 513 00:25:03,839 --> 00:25:08,480 So you know, the defense did probably what me personally 514 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,799 expected it to do, and the offense far exceeded my expectations, 515 00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:14,240 which were pretty mediocre for them at the outset. 516 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,599 Speaker 2: The Lusher's aired left former b YU Great quarterback Riley 517 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:22,680 Nelson here on your Utah ESPN Ready Network Keeping up 518 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,839 with the Cougar segment brought to you by Odeon men'swhear 519 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,319 odeonmenswear dot Com. What do you make of the private 520 00:25:29,319 --> 00:25:31,839 equity deal? I know you're in the U kind of 521 00:25:31,839 --> 00:25:34,519 the insurance world, which cross pollinates a little bit with 522 00:25:34,559 --> 00:25:37,240 the business and finance world. You represent a number of 523 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,039 individuals out there, probably in private equity or those VC firms. 524 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,480 What's your opinion on this new foray with private equity 525 00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:52,319 and athletic departments? You know, allowing their university is allowing 526 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:56,559 their athletic departments to split off, creating LLCs for profit 527 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,000 LLCs in order to stay competitive in the college football landscape. 528 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 4: I feel pretty good anybody who will listen for on 529 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,319 this topic. For the last ten years, I said this 530 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,319 is where it's going, the all of it, and not 531 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,519 all of athletics, but at least football and basketball at 532 00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:18,079 certain places will all just be licensed and you know, 533 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,720 they'll rent the facilities, will be owned, the brand will 534 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:23,079 be owned by the universities, but they will not be 535 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,160 university employees running them or doing those. To me, I 536 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,680 thought that this was the endgame. It's the only logical 537 00:26:29,799 --> 00:26:32,599 endgame for it too. The only thing I want to 538 00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:35,599 say is that I do not ever want to hear 539 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:43,160 the term student athlete again. That's not the case athlete student, No, 540 00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:47,039 not even that. Guys, Joe Ben Ben, you know as 541 00:26:47,079 --> 00:26:49,400 well as I do, like it's a joke. These dudes. 542 00:26:50,039 --> 00:26:53,079 There are ninety percent of their courses are online, which 543 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,759 you know, well whatever, I'll just say it because I paused. 544 00:26:56,759 --> 00:27:00,160 But like online work, you verifying that the person is 545 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,759 actually matriculated, that class is actually the ones submitting the 546 00:27:02,839 --> 00:27:05,640 work online. We don't have a great system for verifying that. 547 00:27:05,759 --> 00:27:08,000 I just like, let's not fall Let's be okay with 548 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,400 Europe that like goes and identifies MESSI at eleven years 549 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,039 old down in Argentina and rolls them in is in 550 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,759 their you know, academy at fourteen and yeah, you know, 551 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,440 he probably got a GED's worth of education, but no 552 00:27:20,519 --> 00:27:23,599 one was trying to parade around like the king with 553 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,440 no clothes saying that, you know, MESSI was in Varses' 554 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,680 academy to get a world class education, like miss me 555 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,680 with all that garbage. He was there to become an 556 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:36,119 elite athlete. And that's what these kids are now. They 557 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,359 graduate high school and they are now going to these 558 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,400 programs to become elite athletes. And those because the rosters 559 00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:45,400 are so big and there are so many teams, I 560 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,119 will concede that you still have a large portion of 561 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,079 these rosters that are there that are studying, that are 562 00:27:51,079 --> 00:27:54,200 getting good grades and are doing both education and not 563 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,519 But that's a large portion of the roster, not a 564 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,279 large portion of the twenty two starters on offense and defenses. 565 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,319 In fact, it's probably a very slim minority any of 566 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:09,759 those guys who are actually you know, pursuing academics at 567 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:14,319 a high level at best to further their professional prospects. 568 00:28:14,319 --> 00:28:18,240 They're doing networking and you know, establishing relationships and things 569 00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:20,160 like that that they can call on when they're playing 570 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,119 careers over whether that be at the end of their 571 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,000 football eligibility or whether that be at the end of 572 00:28:25,039 --> 00:28:28,319 some professional But like there's no academic book leaning in there. 573 00:28:28,319 --> 00:28:31,359 So let's just end the Like I'm the little kid 574 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,640 in the crowd that's pointing out that the king has 575 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,079 no clothes, and I know I'm not the first, but like, 576 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,880 miss me with the academic portion of all this, And 577 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,319 let's call this what it is, a farm system for 578 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,519 like college football. This is the this is the first 579 00:28:44,559 --> 00:28:47,279 major domino to fall. For this to true, we can 580 00:28:47,319 --> 00:28:50,160 all get rid of the facade and all get rid 581 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,799 of like trying to convince ourselves to college football is 582 00:28:52,839 --> 00:28:55,720 anything other than a farm system for the NFL. So 583 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,240 there you go. There's my rant. I hope that I 584 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:00,759 hope that the lists enjoyed it. 585 00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:05,119 Speaker 2: I love it. Man, great breakdown? Uh is it? Uh? Like, 586 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400 what happens if this fails? If it's not profitable? You 587 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,240 know that's the scenario that some bway fans are wondering. 588 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:18,680 You know, it's all it's all, it's all top line revenue. 589 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,519 They're gonna be taking their percentage off the top and 590 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:22,640 no matter what happens. 591 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,839 Speaker 4: But but but you said profitable, since professional sports is 592 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:31,559 not even about running profitably, right, Like, if you're lucky 593 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:35,759 enough to be in mega markets like la or or 594 00:29:35,799 --> 00:29:38,079 like Houston, but Houston hasn't had a good franchise in 595 00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,720 forever like that. Basically like ellery in New York can 596 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,279 win a championship, yeah, you can actually get some cash flow. 597 00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:47,240 But to be ask Rian Smith, like the business being 598 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:49,839 in the business of professional sports now is not about 599 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:55,200 profitable revenues. It's not about the marginal profit on a 600 00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:59,559 dollar earned. It is about valuations. So this private equity 601 00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:02,359 is not private equi firm is not investing in the 602 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,720 University of Utahs Athletics in order to generate you know, 603 00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:09,200 millions of dollars of profit that they can then be 604 00:30:09,359 --> 00:30:13,680 reinvested or distributed to shareholders. No, like they're simply investing 605 00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:16,920 five hundred million dollars or whatever it is, sitting on 606 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,000 it while everybody else offs on. This is a play 607 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,400 to be the first one to be on the ground 608 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,279 floor of a market. So they're going to be the 609 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:26,160 first ones that's gonna make this. This is going to 610 00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,039 continue to dominate over the next ten years, and then 611 00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,440 they're gonna flip you know, their universe. This private equi 612 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,440 firm is gonna flip their University of Utah arrangement for 613 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,640 another big paycheck and kind of it's anyway, it's all 614 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,319 about valuation, it's not about profitability. And part of the 615 00:30:42,319 --> 00:30:44,160 reason why I say that is not only has pro 616 00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:46,400 Sport's not done that which is operated in the free 617 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,119 market environment for decades and since it's an exception, but 618 00:30:50,519 --> 00:30:52,960 look across these are publicly state funded schools. You can 619 00:30:53,079 --> 00:30:56,640 look at the books of ninety plus percent of all 620 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,599 these major programs and none of them running the black. 621 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,480 They all run in the red. So why would someone 622 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:05,880 be willing to write a five hundred million dollars check, 623 00:31:06,279 --> 00:31:08,880 you know, for the access to get on the ends 624 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,119 on this right. Well, the reason why they're doing that 625 00:31:11,279 --> 00:31:13,559 is because they know whatever the valuation that that five 626 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,240 hundred million, they're going to be able to sell it 627 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,519 for two and a half to three x in eight 628 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,480 to ten years. So that's the game at play here, 629 00:31:20,519 --> 00:31:23,279 and you know it is what it is. We're all 630 00:31:23,279 --> 00:31:25,519 the suckers, you know, We're all the suckers that will 631 00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:30,240 continue to watch. Like I don't think live sporting events 632 00:31:30,279 --> 00:31:32,759 are the only thing that draw live eyeballs for advertisers. 633 00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:35,319 Everything else is watched on demand and ads can be 634 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,680 skipped or ignored or passed over. But your only captive 635 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,960 audience now now these days is live sporting events beginning 636 00:31:43,039 --> 00:31:46,079 with the NFL college football right behind it. And so 637 00:31:46,599 --> 00:31:48,480 you know, as long as all of us are willing 638 00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:53,400 to tune in on Saturdays and Sundays, this financial model 639 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,000 will be sustainable. And by that I mean that you 640 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:59,799 can run unprofitable businesses but then flip for higher valuations 641 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,000 as long as you you know, are able to stay 642 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,519 alive over whatever the holding period is. 643 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,480 Speaker 2: What do you think Utah is going to do with 644 00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:11,039 this newfound cash, this influx of resources. 645 00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,839 Speaker 4: No wasted the same way the college that you know, 646 00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:19,920 in the old model colleges wasted state funded like state taxes, right, 647 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:24,000 they wasted public or they wasted they wasted dollar dollars. 648 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,759 And when I say wasted, sorry, I just should say 649 00:32:26,799 --> 00:32:29,400 like they'll overpay for things. There's just no there's gonna 650 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:33,559 be there account That's what I'm saying. There's no accountability 651 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,599 like oh, tax holders are gonna you know, especially in 652 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:40,279 these big conferences. You want to go try and get 653 00:32:40,279 --> 00:32:43,720 some legislation passed that Curbs in Alabama, that Curbs is 654 00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:47,200 spending for the Rolling Tide in their and their football facilities. Like, 655 00:32:47,359 --> 00:32:51,519 I can't think of what would be a less popular 656 00:32:51,559 --> 00:32:54,559 proposition than that, And so I don't mean wasted. They'll 657 00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:58,880 be reinvested into facilities. The only thing this time is 658 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,799 that it's not all going to go to facilities because 659 00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:02,200 a lot of it's gonna have to go to funding 660 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,319 the roster, right, so it'll go to funding the roster, 661 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,160 it'll go to kind of facilities upgrades, whatever, whatever the 662 00:33:08,279 --> 00:33:10,359 latest trend is. You know, when I was coming up, 663 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,079 Oregon had just started where they were wearing a different 664 00:33:13,119 --> 00:33:15,880 jersey every game, and so like that was the arms 665 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,279 race is like people were starting to like make locker 666 00:33:19,319 --> 00:33:22,319 rooms a little bit. They were. They're funny enough, like 667 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,319 when I was coming up, and well, Lee, you and 668 00:33:24,359 --> 00:33:26,720 I you will remember that, like getting a locker like 669 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,519 the pro that was like an open locker and not 670 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,440 an actual locker with a with like a lock on it. 671 00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:34,880 Ye like that. That that was like the big facilities upgrade. 672 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,839 And then the big arms race was like, hey, we're 673 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:41,319 we wear multiple uniforms throughout the year and you get 674 00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,799 three or four different pair of cleats. That's what it 675 00:33:43,839 --> 00:33:47,240 was twenty years ago. Now it's you know, salaries and 676 00:33:47,279 --> 00:33:51,480 signing bonuses and nil deals. But you know they'll they'll 677 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:57,039 just spend it wildly on whatever, on whatever the arms 678 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,200 or you know, whatever the thing to attract talent, both 679 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,960 in the in the form of coaches and players will 680 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,920 be And if the private equity firms, here's the difference, right, 681 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:08,119 because everybody here is private equity and they think like 682 00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:11,800 leverage buyouts are buying buying a business. It's a distressed asset. 683 00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,880 For pennies on the dollar. You know, you do a 684 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,239 big reduction in force, you improve the profit, you take 685 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,760 the company from losing money and being on a lifeline, 686 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,519 and through very scrupulous financial measures and operational efficiencies you're 687 00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:27,320 able to do that. Well, the problem is like this 688 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:30,800 is not this is Adam Smith, in visible head of 689 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,880 the free market has been tough in college football, largely 690 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,519 because it's again, these are institutions that are subsidized by 691 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:42,760 state and federal governments, and anytime you have the government. Okay, Ben, 692 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,760 I'm gonna stop out in my own podcast on the 693 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,679 economics of government intervention and subsidizing markets and the reason 694 00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:53,320 why they refuse to run an efficient But your question was, 695 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,599 how are they going to spend it they're going to 696 00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:56,559 spend it largely on rosters. They're going to do what 697 00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:58,760 they need to do to get their facilities to try 698 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,760 and get coaching and play in here and keep their 699 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:05,400 nose above water. As the other big dogs like Texas, 700 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:09,239 Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, Notre Dame and all 701 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,639 these other guys follow suit behind them in the next 702 00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:12,800 three to five years. 703 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 2: No, it's funny. I've had I've had debates with individuals 704 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:20,960 about these industries that are too big to fail. Right. Obviously, 705 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:22,679 you had the market crash in two thousand and eight, 706 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,440 the financial system, uh, the the housing market crash. You 707 00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,920 have the car manufacturer too big to fail, and you 708 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,400 have this subsidization with tax payer dollars, especially for the 709 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,360 state run institutions that are just unscrupulously and without any 710 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,039 sort of accountabilities spending and just mortgaging everything for their 711 00:35:43,079 --> 00:35:46,599 athletics department. And then the university just keeps on bailing 712 00:35:46,639 --> 00:35:48,880 them out because it's a marketing tool in the front 713 00:35:49,199 --> 00:35:51,559 porch of the of the university. And if they win 714 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:55,559 in sport, they get more, they get more students, and 715 00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:59,679 they can elevate and elevate student fees and all those things, right, 716 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,639 so I was hoping it would bust. But who's bailing 717 00:36:02,639 --> 00:36:05,639 them out? Private equity also all. 718 00:36:05,519 --> 00:36:07,920 Speaker 4: Of this so that a professor who hasn't been published 719 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,320 in ten years can be protected by tenure and be 720 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,320 paid at hundreds of thousands of dollars. Yeah, it just 721 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:14,000 makes me sick. 722 00:36:14,599 --> 00:36:17,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's an interesting study, no doubt about it. And 723 00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,079 now private equity comes in to kind of bail it 724 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:23,159 all out. So like, what is the what are universities 725 00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,360 gonna do? Now? I do think it's actually you look 726 00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:34,199 at the PAC twelve and how it's no longer exists. Administrators, chancellor's, 727 00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:38,960 presidents of these universities that are academics. They shouldn't be 728 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:45,280 competing in corporate America. They are incompetence comparative to those 729 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,599 in the sports sports media world and the entrepreneurial world, 730 00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,519 the private equity VC world, Like they just aren't built 731 00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,480 that way through academics. So they're competing in a world 732 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,679 in which they have no core competencies and that's why 733 00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:57,559 they fail. 734 00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:01,159 Speaker 4: Here's my one worry though, I'm pretty sure it's a 735 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,840 joint venture, right, Like the University of Utah didn't hand 736 00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:06,920 this over wholeheartedly. So here's what I'm worried about as 737 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,840 a tax payer is now, rather than have to your 738 00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,960 point about having these academics who have come up and 739 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,599 now our administrators of universities, of the institutions of learning 740 00:37:16,599 --> 00:37:20,519 and academics, you just alluded to the fact that they're 741 00:37:20,559 --> 00:37:23,480 not experts in sports or sports entertainment or business for 742 00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,880 that matter. But guess who are the sharks that work 743 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,039 at these private equities. So now it's not that we're 744 00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:32,440 just you know, trying to hold a present accountable for 745 00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:37,159 their use of taxpayer dollars in funding an athletic program. 746 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,599 Now we've got private equity sharks. So yeah, they're coming 747 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,000 to the table with some of their own mate. But 748 00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,039 if you think that there is going to any way 749 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,679 be any separation between like the private equity, is going 750 00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:49,480 to be putting even in my opinion, the heat will 751 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:51,239 be turned up and there will be even more pressure 752 00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,360 put on the university to pony up for athletics with 753 00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:58,119 private equity involved. When before and it was just the university, 754 00:37:58,159 --> 00:38:00,599 it was a little bit cleaner lines. You have more 755 00:38:00,639 --> 00:38:05,599 skilled negotiators, more scrupulous you know, financial professionals coming after 756 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,679 university putting the heat on to pay their share to 757 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:12,360 pitch in from there. So you know we're but hey, man, 758 00:38:12,519 --> 00:38:15,719 I love being able to start my Saturday at ten 759 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,639 am and go until about one thirty am and just 760 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,639 be mindlessly entertained by this wonderful sport we call football. 761 00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:26,719 I'm not gonna If that means that my taxes, you know, 762 00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:29,199 have to increase in order to fund University of Utah, 763 00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000 then so be it. I guess right, because I'm not 764 00:38:32,039 --> 00:38:33,480 going to be the first one to boycott. 765 00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:39,159 Speaker 2: I love it. Riley Nelson, Riley, just real briefly give 766 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:42,320 us an update on work on family. How can we 767 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,599 get ahold of you for all of your specialty services 768 00:38:44,599 --> 00:38:44,960 you offer? 769 00:38:46,599 --> 00:38:48,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this is part of your businessman. I 770 00:38:48,679 --> 00:38:51,679 got rid of my Twitter. I just couldn't. I couldn't. 771 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,159 I was wasting too much time on there and I 772 00:38:54,199 --> 00:38:56,800 always tend to eight. Yeah. 773 00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: So when did you get all? I'm looking for you 774 00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:02,360 right now and you're gone. 775 00:39:02,599 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. I deleted my account. I didn't just reactivated either, 776 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,039 I deleted up. I deleted So I was just thinking. 777 00:39:09,039 --> 00:39:11,320 So my oldest son turned eight. I go eight six 778 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:17,039 board too, I believe, and I believe that data supports 779 00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:22,199 the notion that any infinite, any algorithmic infinite scroll model 780 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:26,199 is First of all, it's like it's extremely harmful for 781 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,039 kids and youth so and then and then obviously it's 782 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:33,280 you know, it's extremely unproductive. It can be that for 783 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,119 adults too. For me, it was just an unproductive waste 784 00:39:36,119 --> 00:39:39,079 of time and something that drew my attention from more 785 00:39:39,159 --> 00:39:41,559 valuable pursuits like raising my kids. But the biggest thing 786 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:44,280 was I didn't want to be a hypocrite for for 787 00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,880 my kids. I'm not planning. I'm planning on holding now 788 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,880 as long as I can. Like my goal, I don't 789 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:52,079 know if I and there's parents who are on the 790 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:54,880 next stage of life for me who are probably gonna 791 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,920 laugh at this, but like my goal is to try 792 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,800 and plan is trying and get my kids like graduating 793 00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:04,840 on missions without an internet enabled phone, Like I'll have 794 00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,880 messaging and they'll be communication. That's my goal. I don't know, 795 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,280 ye I'll last there, but you know, rather shoot for 796 00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,920 the goal and fall a little bit short than like 797 00:40:12,039 --> 00:40:14,400 throw my hands up. And my kids got an internet 798 00:40:14,519 --> 00:40:17,480 enabled phone at nine years old, right, So, but my 799 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,079 thing was I cannot I've not imposed that. My house 800 00:40:21,119 --> 00:40:24,079 would be a house of hypocrisy if I were to 801 00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,320 try it, impose that on my children and not live 802 00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:29,079 by it myself. So I got rid of everything out 803 00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:33,599 there that has an algorithmic, an infinity algorithm feed. So 804 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,519 the big long way of saying, if you want to 805 00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,719 find me, find me on LinkedIn. The good thing is 806 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,280 the feed on LinkedIn is so bad. There's no temptation 807 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,960 to scroll that thing. You go on LinkedIn, you spend 808 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,480 the absolute minimum time you have to on there, and 809 00:40:45,519 --> 00:40:47,880 you're out of there. But I do use it as 810 00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,039 a communication tool, so my emails posted on there. Obviously 811 00:40:51,079 --> 00:40:53,760 you can message me there. I do maintain a Facebook 812 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,360 profile to keep in touch with, you know, the folks 813 00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,599 from the mission, and I've got some family that's international. 814 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,199 That seems to be the easiest way to do that. 815 00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,400 So you can message me on Facebook. Although like disclaimer, 816 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,000 I only ever monitor that I do my LinkedIn at 817 00:41:08,079 --> 00:41:11,639 least weekly. My Facebook is maybe like quarterly at best, 818 00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,800 maybe two three times a year. But work's good. Kids good, 819 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,039 We're in the middle of wrestling season. It's great. I 820 00:41:17,039 --> 00:41:19,159 don't know if my kids will end up being wrestlers, 821 00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:22,119 but I cannot think of a better sport to teach 822 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:25,760 them like toughness and perseverance and being able to work 823 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,440 through uncomfortable situations. So I encourage anybody out there, if 824 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,480 you've got little kids, like throw them in your local 825 00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:34,679 little wrestling class. It's been so good for my boys 826 00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,599 building confidence. It's not just about the struggles either. I've 827 00:41:37,679 --> 00:41:40,639 seen them take huge leaps of confidence, especially if the 828 00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:42,559 boys aren't like naturally like my boys are kind of 829 00:41:42,559 --> 00:41:45,480 long and skinny, and so they lose at this stage. 830 00:41:45,559 --> 00:41:47,320 If they advance, you know, then they're gonna have the 831 00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:51,239 leverage advantage. But like at this stage, kind of the 832 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,960 more muscly stout built kid, naturally built kids tend to 833 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,119 do better, and so my boys kind of take their lesson, 834 00:41:57,159 --> 00:41:59,039 but they come back the next day and fight all 835 00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,280 this anyway, it's all great stuff. So that's what our 836 00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,039 family's doing, and obviously just gearing up for the holiday season. 837 00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:08,239 Spend some good time with the fam. Watched the coops 838 00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,960 take care of the yellow jackets. We were I mean, 839 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,159 that was such a smart play to go in the 840 00:42:14,199 --> 00:42:17,280 Pop Tart Bowl because we were so tempted to go 841 00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,119 down there, like I'm sure a big portion of Cougar 842 00:42:20,199 --> 00:42:23,159 Nation was his book our Disney World trip along with 843 00:42:23,519 --> 00:42:25,760 the ball game trip. But my wife, my wife decided 844 00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,000 we're not quite there. We're not quite old enough right 845 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,280 at eight six board two. That's an adventure that's maybe 846 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,280 a little bit beyond our scope. But just planning to 847 00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:37,760 hunker down this holiday season and enjoy time with the 848 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,119 family and enjoy Cougars. Oh. By the way, Ben, speaking 849 00:42:40,159 --> 00:42:42,559 of enjoying the Cougars, shout out to the basketball team. 850 00:42:42,599 --> 00:42:44,880 That was incredible one day. I know I'm not a 851 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,960 basketball guy, but maybe rather than ranting about the economics 852 00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,880 of college football, I'd love to just give my flowers 853 00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,400 to this basketball team do They are special? Not only 854 00:42:54,679 --> 00:42:57,519 like talented, but the roster construction is like something we've 855 00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,280 never seen. And then Bro, when your best player as 856 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,519 a dog who's willing to do it on both ends 857 00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,559 of the floor and he wants those big moments anyway, 858 00:43:06,159 --> 00:43:08,800 hoops is awesome. World's pretty good man. Thanks so much 859 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:09,719 for having me on today. 860 00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 2: Riley, love and appreciate you. A renaissance man. You're a 861 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,840 man after my own heart. I've already looked at gab 862 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,119 phones for my four year old and two year old. 863 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,079 I'm like, I'm never giving them a smartphone. Bro. We 864 00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,920 could go on for days about certain philosophy. Let's go, baby. 865 00:43:28,039 --> 00:43:30,760 I love you, and I invite everyone to connect with 866 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,199 you on LinkedIn. Nobody does it better. Riley Nelson love it. 867 00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,519 Appreciate you buddy, Thanks so much. 868 00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:36,800 Speaker 4: Ben. 869 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: There you go, the lesher shared Lefty. We'll go to break, guys. 870 00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,239 But tis the season to be giving, guys, and I 871 00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,400 would like to invite you to give, if you have 872 00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,280 the means, help those that are in need right now 873 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:51,039 at the road home this holiday season with much needed blankets, coats, shoes, 874 00:43:51,079 --> 00:43:53,679 hats and gloves. Drop off donations at any Rocky Mountain 875 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,840 Chevy dealer. Visit espnfan dot com for dealership locations. Spread 876 00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:59,960 the warmth and help others find their way home. Let's 877 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:02,960 go to break. Coming up next, Welcome in a special guest, 878 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:07,800 a friend of mine, a friend of the BYU athletics program. 879 00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,960 He's been a donor, he's been a CFO for Apex. 880 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,360 Now Vivin, a CEO of Newvie. Entrepreneur Keith Nelson joining 881 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:16,800 us next. I want to get his thoughts on this 882 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,480 private equity deal. What it means for college athletics, what 883 00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,639 it means for the University of Uta athletics from a 884 00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,239 financial standpoint. What does he see, what is he like? 885 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,360 What does he dislike about this deal that coming up next? 886 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,440 Keith Nelson, This is Cougar Sports on one of three 887 00:44:29,519 --> 00:44:30,480 nine ninety eight point three