WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.720 Wednesday afternoon, seven minutes past the hour or two o'clock, 2 00:00:03.839 --> 00:00:06.960 scorching hot day. Little cloud covered earlier, but the sun 3 00:00:07.000 --> 00:00:09.800 is shining here in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. 4 00:00:09.800 --> 00:00:11.279 It's been a very summer like week. 5 00:00:11.320 --> 00:00:14.599 It's about eighty eight degrees here right outside of our 6 00:00:14.640 --> 00:00:17.440 Broadway Media studios. But as it is every single day, 7 00:00:17.480 --> 00:00:19.320 it's gonna have you along for the ride. Spence Check, 8 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:21.920 it's behind the mic, Porter Larsen beyond the glass today 9 00:00:21.960 --> 00:00:23.359 producing the program. 10 00:00:22.960 --> 00:00:24.320 And booking the show. 11 00:00:24.440 --> 00:00:26.839 Got a lot of good guests today to talk about 12 00:00:26.839 --> 00:00:29.320 a bunch of different things. A lot going on today 13 00:00:29.480 --> 00:00:33.960 on the program. It is game day in Pro basketball. 14 00:00:34.079 --> 00:00:36.759 Is the Oklahoma City Thunder will look to continue their 15 00:00:36.759 --> 00:00:40.000 momentum against the Indiana Pacers. The series moves to Indianapolis 16 00:00:40.000 --> 00:00:44.520 at Gainesbridge Fieldhouse. Deadlocked at one game apiece. OKC is 17 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.719 a five point five point favorite to win tonight, and 18 00:00:47.799 --> 00:00:49.479 we'll talk about the game. We'll get you ready for 19 00:00:49.479 --> 00:00:52.039 the game tonight. We'll bring on a couple of NBA 20 00:00:52.159 --> 00:00:54.960 guests talk about the dynamics that you could be looking for. 21 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.280 Soll feel like Okasee is very much in control of 22 00:00:58.320 --> 00:01:00.000 this thing. But we'll see if the Indiana can ride 23 00:01:00.079 --> 00:01:02.479 the momentum of their home crowd first time. The finals 24 00:01:02.479 --> 00:01:06.040 have been in Indianapolis since the year twenty twenty five 25 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:09.159 years since the Pacers have been in the finals. So 26 00:01:09.400 --> 00:01:12.400 it's a great crowd. They're annoying is all get out. 27 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.799 They're loud, but they will bring the noise tonight, so 28 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:16.959 we'll see how that goes. 29 00:01:17.640 --> 00:01:19.280 As it is game day in. 30 00:01:19.200 --> 00:01:21.680 The world of the NBA, it will be the turn 31 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:25.000 of the NHL to resume their final series of the year. 32 00:01:25.560 --> 00:01:28.680 Tomorrow is the Battle for Lord Stanley's Cup rolls on 33 00:01:28.840 --> 00:01:32.920 Oilers Panthers after the Panthers made a very emphatic statement 34 00:01:33.040 --> 00:01:35.239 in Game three, winning that one six to one, taking 35 00:01:35.280 --> 00:01:36.120 a two to one lead. 36 00:01:37.040 --> 00:01:37.680 Of course, we. 37 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:39.959 Are high speed ahead to both the NBA and the 38 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.879 NHL draft. Of local interests, we are looking at the 39 00:01:42.959 --> 00:01:45.519 Jazz at five and twenty one with a couple of 40 00:01:45.560 --> 00:01:48.000 second rounders, and the Utah Hockey Club stack with their 41 00:01:48.079 --> 00:01:50.519 draft capital as well, starting in the first round with 42 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.200 a fourth overall pick. For mind, you will have great 43 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:57.439 coverage of the NBA Draft. We're gonna go late on 44 00:01:57.519 --> 00:02:00.239 June the twenty fifth and June the twenty sixth, after 45 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:03.400 this radio show wraps up, we will have live coverage 46 00:02:03.879 --> 00:02:07.120 and reaction of the NBA Draft with Gordy Jason Richard 47 00:02:07.159 --> 00:02:09.680 Smith will be out and about on location. We'll let 48 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.080 you know where we're at, so you guys can come 49 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:14.360 hang out, stop by, say hello, grab some food, grab 50 00:02:14.400 --> 00:02:16.319 some drinks, see who the Jazz draft, and listen to 51 00:02:16.360 --> 00:02:17.719 Gordy and Smitty break it down. 52 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:19.479 So of local interest. 53 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:22.560 We're in that space of course, as June is upon us, 54 00:02:22.919 --> 00:02:25.360 RSL will be back in action on Saturday, after a 55 00:02:25.360 --> 00:02:27.919 little bit of a break, and it feels like a 56 00:02:27.919 --> 00:02:31.360 sneaky big match for RSL. It's late early for them. 57 00:02:31.520 --> 00:02:33.680 The season is more than halfway home, and they have 58 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:36.159 been well, they've been atrocious, no other way to say that. 59 00:02:36.719 --> 00:02:39.879 So Saturday, seven thirty MLS season pass here in Salt Lake. 60 00:02:40.479 --> 00:02:43.120 RSL dot com is where you go for single game tickets. 61 00:02:43.159 --> 00:02:45.319 The Royals and Ali sett and early back in action 62 00:02:45.439 --> 00:02:48.919 on Friday. Actually, Ali's with the US women's team. Diego 63 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:54.439 Luna is with the US men's national team. Speaking speaking 64 00:02:54.479 --> 00:02:57.080 of the US men's national team, well, we are one 65 00:02:57.159 --> 00:03:00.800 year away from the World Cup with school be played 66 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.759 in our region, and the US men's national team was 67 00:03:04.800 --> 00:03:08.479 embarrassed last night in a way that feels a little 68 00:03:08.479 --> 00:03:11.080 bit alarming, and we'll talk about it on the show. 69 00:03:11.120 --> 00:03:16.319 They allowed four goals, four goals in about twenty five 70 00:03:16.479 --> 00:03:21.960 minutes to Switzerland. And Switzerland's a good soccer country. 71 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:22.879 I'm not saying they're not. 72 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:26.360 And this is a roster for the US men's national 73 00:03:26.360 --> 00:03:29.240 team right now that's without probably four of their five 74 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:34.280 best players in that range. The Gold Cup is this weekend. 75 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.759 Switzerland four US nil and again four goals in about 76 00:03:38.800 --> 00:03:39.919 twenty three minutes of action. 77 00:03:40.479 --> 00:03:41.360 The Gold Cup. 78 00:03:41.319 --> 00:03:43.479 Gets going this weekend and a lot of the big 79 00:03:43.560 --> 00:03:46.479 name players from the US men's national team have elected 80 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.240 to not participate. 81 00:03:48.680 --> 00:03:49.840 Receiving a lot of criticism. 82 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:52.080 It allows Lexliy Lawless to go on TV with his 83 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.639 red tie and try to make soccer Commentarry Graat again, 84 00:03:54.680 --> 00:03:57.560 it's always awkward when that happens. But we'll talk about 85 00:03:57.599 --> 00:04:00.400 the US men's national team situation and the WORL Cup 86 00:04:00.439 --> 00:04:02.159 coming up, and we'll do a little RSL and some 87 00:04:02.280 --> 00:04:05.919 Royals on the show too. Summer Radio includes little Soccer 88 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.719 if you guys know that, and Summer Radio includes World 89 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:12.680 Championship Golf. Oakmont Country Club is where the world of 90 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:16.959 golf finds themselves coming up starting tomorrow, and we'll talk 91 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.240 about some of the interesting storylines. We do have some 92 00:04:19.680 --> 00:04:23.519 local reps, Preston Summer Hayes and Zach Blair. We're able 93 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:25.800 to qualify the old fashion Way, which is tough to do, 94 00:04:26.519 --> 00:04:28.879 and Tony Fenaw of course, will be in the field. 95 00:04:28.879 --> 00:04:34.439 Scottie Scheffler historic favor quite frankly, and then Rory McElroy 96 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:35.279 right behind him. 97 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:36.399 Tiger Woods. 98 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.800 A couple of interviews today talking about this track, Oakmont 99 00:04:39.839 --> 00:04:43.839 Country Club. It is one of golf's hardest courses and 100 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.839 the conditions look just brutal. The roughest rumor to be 101 00:04:47.879 --> 00:04:50.439 over five and a half inches long, and the greens 102 00:04:50.439 --> 00:04:52.720 are rolling out on a fourteen or a fifteen. I 103 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:55.120 can't even fathom how to keep a ball in the 104 00:04:55.120 --> 00:04:57.920 green if you're rolling out on a fourteen. So we've 105 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.639 got a really exciting weekend ahead. Of course, it is 106 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:03.079 a Wednesday edition of the program, so you're halfway through 107 00:05:03.079 --> 00:05:06.360 that work week and you are one day closer to 108 00:05:06.399 --> 00:05:09.439 the weekend. A couple of interesting pieces of NBA news, 109 00:05:09.439 --> 00:05:12.439 according to Sham Sharonny the Celtics are willing to listen 110 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:15.639 to trade offers for Jalen Brown and Derek White. Kevin 111 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:18.519 Durant's reps leaks some news that they're looking at a 112 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.519 new home for KD and will the Jazz get involved 113 00:05:21.519 --> 00:05:24.240 in any of this movement that we are in for 114 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:26.920 as it pertains to the off season in Pro basketball, 115 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:30.439 the New York Knicks, and I got to say, even 116 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.399 as somebody who grew up back there, spent my forum 117 00:05:32.480 --> 00:05:35.879 of years in the Northeast and grew to really love 118 00:05:35.959 --> 00:05:38.279 that team and grew to cheer for them and still 119 00:05:38.319 --> 00:05:41.600 do to this day, I love the fact that they've 120 00:05:41.639 --> 00:05:45.720 had three doors shut in their face. The hubris of 121 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.399 the Knicks, who for the first time in thirty years, 122 00:05:48.399 --> 00:05:52.199 are relevant, fire a great head coach, and believe that 123 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:56.279 they can just get access to whoever they want. Minnesota 124 00:05:56.399 --> 00:05:59.600 said no to the potential of Chris Finch, the Houston 125 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:02.519 Rocket said no to the potential of Emma Udoka, and 126 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.160 the Dallas Maverick said absolutely not. You will not interview 127 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:07.439 our coach Jason Kidd. So what that also says, by 128 00:06:07.519 --> 00:06:11.160 the way, is that Chris Finch, Emi Udoka and Jason 129 00:06:11.240 --> 00:06:14.240 Kidd also had no interest. And we'll talk about this 130 00:06:14.319 --> 00:06:17.759 on the show how this dynamic works. But ultimately, to 131 00:06:17.800 --> 00:06:21.040 Cliff notes it the Knicks would contact Dallas, and Dallas 132 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.040 would then go to their coach. And if Jason Kidd 133 00:06:24.079 --> 00:06:26.680 told Dallas Maverick ownership like, yes, I'm interested in the 134 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:27.199 nick job. 135 00:06:28.040 --> 00:06:29.240 If you're the owner of. 136 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:30.800 The Maps, You're like, well, then I don't want you 137 00:06:30.839 --> 00:06:31.600 coaching my team. 138 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:32.600 We'll figure something out. 139 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:35.279 The Knicks send us a protective first round pick or 140 00:06:35.319 --> 00:06:39.399 whatever it is. But this it's not just in my opinion, 141 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.560 in my experience knowing how the stuff works. It's not 142 00:06:42.720 --> 00:06:45.160 just these three teams telling New York. No, it's those 143 00:06:45.240 --> 00:06:48.240 three coaches telling New York know as well. So we'll 144 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:50.199 get into latest with the NBA off season and stuff. 145 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:54.879 Aaron Rodgers spoke to the media after participating in Steelers Ota. 146 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:56.920 It's good for the soul to play for Mike Tomlin, 147 00:06:57.000 --> 00:06:59.879 he said, good riddance off. 148 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:00.959 He's in college football. 149 00:07:00.959 --> 00:07:03.959 We talked about some of the twenty twenty six Utah 150 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:04.800 football commits. 151 00:07:04.800 --> 00:07:05.759 They were now's yesterday. 152 00:07:05.800 --> 00:07:09.079 Alex Jensen also finished his staff or excuse me, completed 153 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.800 his roster, so we know what the running Utes men's 154 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:14.199 basketball team will look like. We have some exciting news 155 00:07:14.199 --> 00:07:16.560 for Utah football fans as far as the recruits go. 156 00:07:17.319 --> 00:07:20.600 And we still kind of await more information now that 157 00:07:20.639 --> 00:07:24.199 the House Bncuba settlements across the finish line, what do 158 00:07:24.279 --> 00:07:26.920 those guidelines and guardrails look like with a new commission 159 00:07:27.519 --> 00:07:30.279 in place as the NCAA is kind of pushed out 160 00:07:30.319 --> 00:07:33.000 of the ecosystem of college football. So it's a jam 161 00:07:33.040 --> 00:07:36.560 packed Wednesday edition of the program. And we'll start with 162 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:38.800 our buddy Tom Haberstroke. Good day to have Tommy on 163 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:42.160 the program. Tom Thefinder dot Com rights for Yahoo. He's 164 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.560 been with the ESPN, NBC. You guys know, Tom joins 165 00:07:44.639 --> 00:07:47.319 US consistently. We'll do some NBA with Tom, more NBA 166 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.120 with Zach Harper on the program, NBA Daily Assist. I 167 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.240 will do some draft with Zach, some jazz with Zach 168 00:07:53.319 --> 00:07:56.240 as well. Then we'll preview Game three of the NBA 169 00:07:56.279 --> 00:07:59.480 Finals tonight. Old buddy Brian don Seth Stopspot. Donny was 170 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.240 on the pref postgame coverage for Turner Sports last night 171 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.160 watching the US men's national team get embarrassed by Switzerland 172 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:08.879 for zero So I want to bring Dunny on today 173 00:08:08.920 --> 00:08:12.399 to either calm our fears or stoke the flames. One 174 00:08:12.439 --> 00:08:15.160 year away from the World Cup which will be played 175 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:18.240 in our region, and last night was a bad, bad look. 176 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:21.839 Neil Smith, our old buddy, former general manager of the 177 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:24.240 New York Rangers who won a Stanley Cup as a 178 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:27.600 roster constructor in pro hockey, joins us for his weekly 179 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:29.879 visit to talk some Stanley Cup finals and some Utah 180 00:08:29.959 --> 00:08:33.039 Mammoth off season plans. Then the head coach of ourself, 181 00:08:33.120 --> 00:08:35.799 Pablo Maschjoenni is our guest later on. So Tom Haberstrow, 182 00:08:35.879 --> 00:08:40.919 Zach Harper, Brian Dunseth, Neil Smith, Pablo Mastejoenni, Jam Packed Wednesday, 183 00:08:40.960 --> 00:08:43.000 show Me, Spence checkets, all of you, the great listeners, 184 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.679 and that guy, that guy Porter Larson. You have to admit, 185 00:08:46.759 --> 00:08:48.759 even as a Nick fan, there's a little bit. 186 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:49.200 Of an irony. 187 00:08:49.720 --> 00:08:51.840 And also this is an admission that we didn't have 188 00:08:51.879 --> 00:08:56.120 a plan after firing Tom Thibodeau, a great coach, that 189 00:08:56.440 --> 00:08:58.679 just because you're relevant for the first time in thirty years, 190 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:00.639 you are not allowed to poaching coach you want. 191 00:09:00.639 --> 00:09:01.919 Okay, I've kind of enjoyed this. 192 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:04.519 I mean, you mentioned it. It's the Hubris, it's the 193 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:08.480 Knicks kind of mo maybe they got sick of being 194 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:11.080 competent for a season and a half. That's what it 195 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:13.679 kind of seems like, right, Like that's a little too 196 00:09:13.720 --> 00:09:16.399 boring for James dolanan co. You need drama, you need 197 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.720 you know, you need some pressure. Yeah, I don't know, man. 198 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:24.279 I told you when the day that Tips was fired. 199 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:27.480 The only reason that I was on the fence about 200 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:31.440 it was if the Knicks had their guy in mind 201 00:09:31.559 --> 00:09:34.360 and ready to go on a hire. If they had 202 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:37.720 no plan and you know, nothing in place to replace 203 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:40.240 Tom Thibodeau, a guy who just went to an Eastern 204 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:44.039 Conference finals for the first time in your franchise's history 205 00:09:44.120 --> 00:09:45.759 in two decades or so. 206 00:09:47.279 --> 00:09:48.159 I mean, what are you doing? 207 00:09:48.519 --> 00:09:52.519 What are you doing? You're you're dolaning. 208 00:09:52.720 --> 00:09:54.279 I guess that's exactly what it is. 209 00:09:54.480 --> 00:09:57.120 I talked about. This was good during crosstalk. The most 210 00:09:57.120 --> 00:10:00.720 important element of any organization. This isn't just sport, it's life. 211 00:10:01.120 --> 00:10:03.600 Who owns the team, who owns the company, who's running 212 00:10:03.600 --> 00:10:06.200 the show. You can either create a culture of healthy 213 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:10.120 communication or one of chaos and decisions that are made 214 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.879 in the moment, in emotion, impulsively, and that's who this 215 00:10:13.039 --> 00:10:15.399 idiot is, and that's who he's always been. It's really 216 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.000 frustrating if you can't tell in a tone of my voice. 217 00:10:18.360 --> 00:10:20.320 All right, our first guest right out of the gates 218 00:10:20.440 --> 00:10:23.600 will be Super Tom Habershrow. 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Oklahoma City is a very 257 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.360 healthy five point five point favorite to win this game. 258 00:12:08.960 --> 00:12:12.159 I've been to Indiana for playoff basketball back in the 259 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:14.360 day when the Knicks and the Pacers were playing consistently. 260 00:12:14.840 --> 00:12:17.600 This building will be chaotic, it will be loud, the 261 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.559 crowd will be awesome, and Indiana is gonna need every 262 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:24.480 bit of motivation and juice and energy from their home 263 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:26.480 crowd that they can muster up because I continue to 264 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:29.519 believe this is just an impossible task for them. And 265 00:12:29.679 --> 00:12:31.519 when you look at it, I mean, the bottom line 266 00:12:31.559 --> 00:12:34.039 is this. The series is tied to one to one, 267 00:12:34.320 --> 00:12:37.039 and that's the bottom line, okay, But when you actually 268 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:39.080 dig a little bit deeper, if you've been watching the matchups, 269 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:42.039 Oklahoma City is dominated for about ninety of the ninety 270 00:12:42.039 --> 00:12:47.039 six minutes that this series has gone on, essentially Game one, 271 00:12:47.159 --> 00:12:49.919 Indiana did not have the lead until Halliburton's game winner. 272 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:52.080 Now they won the game. You come on with a split, 273 00:12:52.120 --> 00:12:54.960 you gotta feel good about that. But I'll tell you what, man, 274 00:12:55.039 --> 00:12:59.080 watching the players that torched the Knicks look completely average 275 00:12:59.480 --> 00:13:02.120 is giving me a couple of different takeaways. So Siakam 276 00:13:02.159 --> 00:13:04.759 was awesome against New York. Nie Smith turned into Dale 277 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:07.159 Ellis back in the Seattle Sonic days. That's a little 278 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.039 inside for some old school NBA fans. Andrew Nemhard was awesome, 279 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:14.639 Matherin was good, Obi Toppin. They're not getting much of 280 00:13:14.679 --> 00:13:17.840 anything from the role players that were great against New York, 281 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:21.159 and we're really good against Cleveland and really good against Milwaukee. 282 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:25.480 I mean, Indiana has had a really difficult challenge prior 283 00:13:25.519 --> 00:13:28.159 to this finals endeavor that they're undertaking with some really 284 00:13:28.200 --> 00:13:31.480 good teams. The Calves were awesome during the regular season, 285 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:35.039 and you know, they had some injuries. Darius Garland had 286 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:38.600 to miss some time, and ultimately the Calves will probably 287 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:40.559 tell you that if they were fully healthy, they felt 288 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:41.559 good about those chances. 289 00:13:41.840 --> 00:13:43.679 But Milwaukee was without Dame Lillard. 290 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.279 They still have Yianna Santeed to Cumbo, and that's a 291 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:49.919 tough ask for a pacer team that nobody saw coming. 292 00:13:50.000 --> 00:13:51.639 And of course the Knicks were probably a little bit 293 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.399 of had a schedule after beating the Boston Celtics, but 294 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:57.720 everybody talked about Tyrese Halliburton throughout the course of the run, 295 00:13:57.799 --> 00:14:00.159 because all you saw in Sports Center were highlight of 296 00:14:00.200 --> 00:14:01.960 Halliburton's game winners, and. 297 00:14:01.919 --> 00:14:03.480 He deserves a ton of credit for that. 298 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.320 To be able to be able to meet the moment 299 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:07.600 in a way that maybe no player in the league 300 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:09.440 right now has been able to do based off the 301 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.240 data is very impressive. But now that they're back home 302 00:14:13.360 --> 00:14:15.799 and this is typically the deal, some of the younger players, 303 00:14:15.840 --> 00:14:18.279 like Annie Smith, like in nemhard, like a Matherin, like 304 00:14:18.320 --> 00:14:21.440 a Toppin, maybe like a Ben Shephard. I mean, even 305 00:14:21.480 --> 00:14:23.840 Thomas Bryant was hitting threes in the closes up came 306 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:24.600 against the Knicks. 307 00:14:24.879 --> 00:14:26.399 These guys are the players. 308 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.759 They really do have to step up if Indiana is 309 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:31.759 going to stay in this series. Now they do start 310 00:14:31.759 --> 00:14:35.879 and end with their lead guard. Okay, and the narrative 311 00:14:35.879 --> 00:14:38.919 in conversation surrounding Tyree S. Halliburton during the course of 312 00:14:38.960 --> 00:14:42.200 this playoff run has been a little bit exhausting because, like, 313 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:44.840 what does it mean to be a superstar. 314 00:14:44.320 --> 00:14:45.679 Player in pro basketball? 315 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:50.519 There's so many intangibles there, There's so many ancillary things 316 00:14:50.559 --> 00:14:52.960 and it probably just depends on your personal point of view. 317 00:14:53.480 --> 00:14:56.320 I don't believe Tyree s. Halliburton is in the cul 318 00:14:56.360 --> 00:14:59.600 de sac with Nikola Jokic and Luka Dancic and SGA 319 00:14:59.720 --> 00:15:02.879 and in a healthy Lebron And you know, Stephen Curry 320 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:03.600 deserves to be there. 321 00:15:03.639 --> 00:15:05.039 Probably Kevin Durant does too. 322 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:08.440 So whatever your list looks like of obviously Giannis, whatever 323 00:15:08.480 --> 00:15:10.919 your list looks like of what I guess all characterize 324 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:14.720 as a first taky Tier one NBA group, Tyres isn't 325 00:15:14.720 --> 00:15:17.200 in that group, but that's not breaking news. 326 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.879 But he is that guy to this team. 327 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.679 So when he has gone for more than twenty points 328 00:15:22.720 --> 00:15:24.879 throughout the course of the postseason, they're seven to one. 329 00:15:25.720 --> 00:15:29.639 Like you can really draw a straight line between Halliburton's 330 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:33.799 production and the Pacers' success in a way that's really obvious. 331 00:15:34.200 --> 00:15:35.440 But here's the issue. 332 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.480 When you look at what Oklahoma City has done throughout 333 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:42.200 the course of their playoff run, they turned Aunt Edwards 334 00:15:42.279 --> 00:15:46.320 Water off completely, and prior to that, in the Denver series, 335 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:49.879 Jamal Murray could find zero space. Like Jokic had a 336 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.600 great but Jokic will have a great series against anybody. 337 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:53.600 You can't stop that, dude. 338 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:56.000 Okay, the reason Denver won a championship a couple of 339 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:59.240 years ago is they had playoff Jamal who had played 340 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:01.759 in the postseason in a way that we had never 341 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:04.879 seen before. And Michael Porter Junior actually showed a poltse 342 00:16:04.960 --> 00:16:08.320 on defense and tried to rebound, and Aaron Gordon evolved 343 00:16:08.360 --> 00:16:11.120 into this perfect role player to play alongside Jokich. They 344 00:16:11.159 --> 00:16:14.159 also had a different roster with Bruce Brown and Jeff Green. 345 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:18.120 Jokic is just like Shay in the matter of he's 346 00:16:18.159 --> 00:16:21.200 going to get his but the players around him, what 347 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:23.279 are they going to do to kind of up the 348 00:16:23.279 --> 00:16:26.399 bottom line of what your team can be? And Jamal 349 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:29.480 Murray could find no space against this Oklahoma City perimeter 350 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:32.440 defensive group. Anthony Edwards, one of the bright up and 351 00:16:32.440 --> 00:16:36.000 coming superstars in pro basketball, could not find any space 352 00:16:36.039 --> 00:16:37.679 against this perimeter defending group. 353 00:16:38.120 --> 00:16:38.840 Because if you're. 354 00:16:38.679 --> 00:16:41.240 Gonna have success against OKAC, the best thing you can 355 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:43.519 possibly do is to have a proficient big. They can 356 00:16:43.559 --> 00:16:47.399 actually score, rebound and cause some problems like if Mark 357 00:16:47.480 --> 00:16:50.759 Dagnault's going to go small with chet. Chet's an extremely 358 00:16:50.840 --> 00:16:53.399 skilled unicorm type player, but he's not strong. 359 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:54.919 You can push him around. 360 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.080 But the problem is they have Hartenstein coming off the bench, 361 00:16:57.120 --> 00:16:58.960 and you can play Hartenstein, and he's fine, he's a 362 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:01.519 big that can actually guard. But if you're going to 363 00:17:01.600 --> 00:17:05.799 rely upon a dominant offensive either lead guard or wing 364 00:17:06.319 --> 00:17:09.359 against the team that has, first of all, Lou Dort, 365 00:17:09.519 --> 00:17:12.200 who probably should receive more credit for the type of 366 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:14.960 defender he is, and I could just go down the list. 367 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.960 I mean Lou Dort, Alex Caruso, Jalen Williams, even Shay 368 00:17:19.119 --> 00:17:21.839 who's all of six to six, and Cason Wallace who's 369 00:17:21.880 --> 00:17:24.559 not very big but an absolute Gary Payton type pitbull 370 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:27.440 on the ball, Your perimeter players are going to be 371 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:31.319 in trouble. And I just don't think Halliburton has the 372 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:35.319 ability to find things offensively individually against this group that 373 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:39.119 we couldn't see from Jamal Murray or Anthony Edwards, who 374 00:17:39.160 --> 00:17:43.480 individually are better offensive players than Tyree Saliburton. This has 375 00:17:43.519 --> 00:17:45.680 to be a scenario where Halliburton finds a way to 376 00:17:45.680 --> 00:17:49.519 get Siakam going a picking pops with Miles turn Maybe 377 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.480 he can hit some threes. Can they resurrect the offensive 378 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:55.440 production from Aaronie Smith and Andrew Nemhard and get something 379 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:57.920 from Mather and her top And like I keep hearing 380 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:00.960 all day, I've heard this like tonight's on Halliburt, Well, 381 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:02.240 you haven't been watching. 382 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:03.279 Oklahoma City all year long. 383 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:06.480 Then they turn everybody's water off as it pertains to 384 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.319 offensive initiators on the perimeter, either a wing or a 385 00:18:09.400 --> 00:18:13.079 lead guard. This has to be a collective effort from 386 00:18:13.119 --> 00:18:16.079 the group. From the Pacers tonight. The other takeaway is 387 00:18:16.079 --> 00:18:20.279 how atrocious the Knicks were defensively because these bit players 388 00:18:20.400 --> 00:18:23.920 that found success against the Knicks have been really unable 389 00:18:23.960 --> 00:18:27.640 to get any traction against a historically great Oklahoma City 390 00:18:27.640 --> 00:18:31.400 defensive team. So big game tonight. I took okac in 391 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:34.319 five to start the series. I feel like Indiana can 392 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:36.279 get probably one at home. But I still think this 393 00:18:36.400 --> 00:18:38.720 series goes the way the Thunder and it feels more 394 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:42.079 like six games than five. Brian Wilson, songwriter and lead 395 00:18:42.119 --> 00:18:44.440 singer the Beach Boys, died at the age of eighty two. 396 00:18:45.480 --> 00:18:50.200 My first concert of my life Beach Boys Paramount Theater, 397 00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.480 New York, I was I think eleven years old. Brian 398 00:18:53.480 --> 00:18:56.519 Wilson was not with the group. In fact, I think 399 00:18:56.559 --> 00:18:58.519 it was only two of the founding members and in 400 00:18:58.599 --> 00:19:01.400 order to keep the audience attention, and they marched out 401 00:19:01.480 --> 00:19:04.720 like twelve scantily clad women in bikinis. My father was 402 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:05.920 covering my eyes the whole time. 403 00:19:06.160 --> 00:19:07.519 Yeah, it's cool. 404 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:10.400 It is the Beach Boys, I guess technically, But like 405 00:19:10.440 --> 00:19:12.400 I have friends that are my age that like, say, 406 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:13.960 they've hit seen The Grateful Dead. 407 00:19:15.559 --> 00:19:17.960 Yeah, yeah, does it count if Garry wasn't there? 408 00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:20.440 And does it count seeing the Beach Boys that Brian 409 00:19:20.480 --> 00:19:21.400 Wilson was not present. 410 00:19:21.480 --> 00:19:22.720 I'm not sure that it does. 411 00:19:23.599 --> 00:19:26.200 Maybe a little more of my generation, but it's like 412 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:27.880 sublime with the other guy. 413 00:19:28.000 --> 00:19:28.880 Yeah, it's not the same. 414 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.400 I think Kevin Loves Uncle is in the band and 415 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.759 he was there. I think it's Mike Love Anyway, nobody 416 00:19:33.759 --> 00:19:37.039 gives a rip. Tom Haberstrow Wednesday afternoon. All right, Tom, 417 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.640 right off the top. First concert that you ever attended 418 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:40.759 in your life? 419 00:19:42.000 --> 00:19:45.079 Jack Johnson, Ben Harper at Central Park? 420 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.480 Very nice, very nice, very Northeast. 421 00:19:48.559 --> 00:19:51.960 Loved that and they were I mean, what year was that, 422 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:53.640 because that must have been when those two were just 423 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:54.519 kind of at their peak. 424 00:19:56.000 --> 00:19:59.079 I want to say it was like two thousand and 425 00:20:00.480 --> 00:20:02.960 something like that. I remember taking the train into New 426 00:20:03.039 --> 00:20:08.319 York with my buddies and just it was an incredible 427 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.119 night and I don't think any of us, even if 428 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:14.519 we didn't partake in anything, I don't think you'd come 429 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:15.720 home from a concert. 430 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:16.079 Like that sober. 431 00:20:17.160 --> 00:20:18.960 It's just in the air everywhere. 432 00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.799 So that was an experience I would say with a 433 00:20:22.920 --> 00:20:26.160 Beach Boys, I always come back to the Beach Boys 434 00:20:26.200 --> 00:20:31.359 as maybe the greatest American band ever rock and roll 435 00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:33.480 as a genre. If you were to point to what 436 00:20:33.559 --> 00:20:37.799 is the greatest rock and roll band in American history, 437 00:20:38.279 --> 00:20:42.400 I think people might throw out Pearl Jam or Aerosmith 438 00:20:42.920 --> 00:20:47.720 or something of that caliber or genre. But I think 439 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:50.319 the Beach Boys might have a stake to that claim. 440 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:51.960 And I don't know if you guys had any thoughts 441 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:52.200 on that. 442 00:20:52.279 --> 00:20:54.279 Yeah, I don't know that you're wrong. I mean, my 443 00:20:54.440 --> 00:20:57.960 bias brain goes to DMB, but that's not a popular answer. 444 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:02.920 I think Grateful Dead the Doors, Tom Petty Eagles, you 445 00:21:03.039 --> 00:21:06.000 reference Darrow Smith. If you want to go like hipster 446 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.400 Howard Beck, you could talk r EM, but it might 447 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:12.400 be the Beach Boys. Tom, you might be right about that. 448 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:14.200 I don't know that I have much a problem with that. 449 00:21:15.759 --> 00:21:20.319 Yeah, in terms of influence and the ingenuity of what 450 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:24.200 they were doing, and I think it was kind of 451 00:21:24.319 --> 00:21:27.599 just I don't know innovation is the right word here, 452 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.799 but the sound was unlike anything we'd heard, and so 453 00:21:33.079 --> 00:21:35.640 I think it is. It's been a tough week in music, 454 00:21:35.839 --> 00:21:39.920 and I would say Brian Wilson passing away, that's a 455 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.519 tough one. But the old debate about what is the 456 00:21:42.519 --> 00:21:46.559 greatest American rock and roll band or band, I think 457 00:21:46.599 --> 00:21:49.359 Beach Boys deserves a spot in that conversation. 458 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:52.200 I think you're correct, and certainly on this day today, 459 00:21:52.200 --> 00:21:54.599 I will not push back. I know van Halen for 460 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:56.680 some probably's in the conversation. I was never a big 461 00:21:56.759 --> 00:21:59.680 van Halen guy. But anyway, Tom, we can make our 462 00:21:59.680 --> 00:22:03.200 way of to a little basketball. We'll start with the finals. 463 00:22:03.200 --> 00:22:05.039 I do have a couple of jazz questions. We'll save 464 00:22:05.039 --> 00:22:09.480 those for the end. You know, every game day in 465 00:22:09.519 --> 00:22:12.319 the finals, and certainly leading up to the game as well, 466 00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:14.400 when you listen to the debate shows or listen to 467 00:22:14.519 --> 00:22:17.680 NBA pods, you know, people on the pacer side of 468 00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:18.519 things will say, this is. 469 00:22:18.440 --> 00:22:19.400 All about Halliburton. 470 00:22:19.519 --> 00:22:21.240 You know, there's seven and one when he scores twenty 471 00:22:21.359 --> 00:22:24.440 or more points in the playoffs, and during those games 472 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:26.680 he just scores twenty or more. He also averages around 473 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:28.240 ten assists, And I want to be clear, I'm not 474 00:22:28.279 --> 00:22:31.160 saying it's not about Halliburton. It's just not about him 475 00:22:31.319 --> 00:22:35.920 entirely based off of the defensive perimeter prowess of OKAC. 476 00:22:36.599 --> 00:22:39.599 They shut down Jamal Murray, they shut down Anthony Edwards 477 00:22:39.640 --> 00:22:42.720 and Tom the players that torch the Knicks for the 478 00:22:42.759 --> 00:22:45.519 most part, have not been the same players over the 479 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:47.519 first two games in the NBA Finals. So let's start 480 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:50.960 with Indiana's side and your opinion on Okay, is this 481 00:22:51.039 --> 00:22:53.960 all about Halliburton If he's aggressive early on, are they 482 00:22:54.000 --> 00:22:55.799 going to win it? Or do these other players need 483 00:22:55.839 --> 00:22:58.119 to look the way they look against looked against the Knicks. 484 00:23:00.240 --> 00:23:03.400 Well, I think it starts with the OKC defenders. Alex 485 00:23:03.480 --> 00:23:08.400 Caruso caseon Wallace, lou Dort being the primary defender on 486 00:23:08.440 --> 00:23:11.039 Tyrese Haliburt has absolutely bitten the head off the snake. 487 00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:14.279 You look at what Dort has done this season, last 488 00:23:14.279 --> 00:23:19.480 season against Tyrese Haliburt. He is Halle Kryptonite. Hallie can't 489 00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:24.240 break free, he can't shake free on lou Dort on 490 00:23:24.279 --> 00:23:27.599 that final possession in Game one when he got down 491 00:23:27.599 --> 00:23:30.640 the floor and Cason Wallace is guarding him. I said, 492 00:23:30.640 --> 00:23:34.440 it's going up and it's going in because where's lou Dort? 493 00:23:34.799 --> 00:23:37.799 The guy puts him in a straight jacket. Every time 494 00:23:38.200 --> 00:23:41.839 they go at each other, Tyre's Haliburn passes the ball up. 495 00:23:42.200 --> 00:23:45.480 He does not like going at lou Dort. And in 496 00:23:45.559 --> 00:23:50.440 this series, in two games with Dort guarding him or 497 00:23:50.519 --> 00:23:55.960 Alex Carusa guarding him, seventy one possessions seventy one possessions 498 00:23:56.000 --> 00:23:59.759 of basketball with those two guys guarding him, Tyreese Haliburton 499 00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.079 has or two points. He's one for eight shooting. He 500 00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:07.599 has four assists to three turnovers. With Caruso and lou Dort, 501 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:11.599 it is the biggest problem the Pacers have faced is 502 00:24:12.039 --> 00:24:18.359 this test against Okac's unbelievably good defenders. They can't get 503 00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:23.119 Tyree Taliburton going. And in this series he has a 504 00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:27.599 nineteen point nine usage rate that is league average. That is, 505 00:24:27.680 --> 00:24:30.519 like I look this up in usage right by the 506 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:33.640 way for the listeners, that is what percentage of your 507 00:24:33.640 --> 00:24:36.880 team's possessions are you using to try to score? And 508 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:40.119 in this series, Shake goldsers Alexander is that thirty six 509 00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:43.680 thirty six percent of Okac's possessions are going to Shay 510 00:24:43.680 --> 00:24:48.039 Gildris Alexander for him trying to score. Tyry Taliburton is 511 00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:52.839 actually below average Naji Marshall. Naji Marshall for the Dallas 512 00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:57.200 Mavericks was at twenty percent this season. So what Lou 513 00:24:57.319 --> 00:25:01.880 Dort and Alex Russ Will have done in this series 514 00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:07.400 is they've turned Tyree Taliburton into a role player. And 515 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:10.119 that is the biggest problem here is that when you 516 00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:14.039 see the Indiana Pacers and that record that you talked 517 00:25:14.079 --> 00:25:16.759 about is seven to one, when he scores twenty or more, 518 00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:22.480 the assisted turnover ratio is outstanding. But in order for 519 00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:25.880 the Pacers to win this series, it is all about 520 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.799 that score. It is all about getting to the free 521 00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:31.519 throw line. Which, by the way, how many free throw 522 00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.319 attempts has he had in this series so far in 523 00:25:33.319 --> 00:25:36.920 two games zero? This guy needs to be an attack 524 00:25:37.000 --> 00:25:40.039 mode in game three. And this isn't just like yay 525 00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:43.440 points yay points per game like that's a very caveman 526 00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:46.279 looking at the at the score of basketball. But in 527 00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:50.960 this case, with the way that the defense is loading 528 00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:55.079 up on Tyre's Halliburton, he's got a break free because 529 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.880 it is it is way too hard for the pacers 530 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.079 to get good offense when halibur is playing in this 531 00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:05.599 passive mode where he has a nineteen percent usage rate, 532 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.799 which is below average. Forget about stars or superstars. I'm 533 00:26:09.839 --> 00:26:14.519 talking third or fourth options on good teams having this 534 00:26:14.640 --> 00:26:18.440 kind of scoring responsibility. He's got to have more and 535 00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.640 I just think that that is going to make a 536 00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.160 big difference for Indiana Game three, if Tyree Taliburn's attacking. 537 00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:27.039 Okay, So I have a two part question for you. 538 00:26:27.279 --> 00:26:29.559 How do they make that happen? And do you think 539 00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:31.799 they can because I'm resigned to the point where I 540 00:26:31.839 --> 00:26:35.200 don't think Halliburton is going to have enough space based 541 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:38.240 off of how you just articulated who Okase is defensively 542 00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:42.160 and watching what they've done to other perimeter ball dominant players, 543 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:46.160 either league guards or wings like Anthony Edwards. So I 544 00:26:46.279 --> 00:26:49.119 want you to let me know how Indiana can get 545 00:26:49.200 --> 00:26:51.400 him loose and do you think they can actually do it, 546 00:26:51.400 --> 00:26:53.000 because I'm kind of resigned to the fact that it 547 00:26:53.039 --> 00:26:54.000 has to be his teammates. 548 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.119 I'm not sure he can get loose. 549 00:26:56.079 --> 00:26:59.279 Yeah, it is very apparent that this might be over 550 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:01.759 in five games. Then he might not ever get loose 551 00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:06.119 like I'm in total agreement with you. But he has 552 00:27:06.160 --> 00:27:09.759 to compete. He has to make it tough on lou Dort. 553 00:27:09.799 --> 00:27:13.759 And when lou Dort has even a step behind Tyre's 554 00:27:13.799 --> 00:27:18.359 Halliburton and gets him off balanced, Hallie has to draw contact. 555 00:27:18.640 --> 00:27:23.039 He can't be afraid of drawing contact. And Halliburton I 556 00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:25.839 at his best. He is a guy who is able 557 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.240 to get into the teeth of the defense, gets you 558 00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:31.559 off your feet, and then getting to the free throw line, 559 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:34.200 getting lou Dort in foul trouble. That's a tall order, 560 00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:36.960 but he has to be more aggressive in that way 561 00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:39.839 rather than just getting rid of the ball as soon 562 00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.319 as he sees that dude in his sight. The numbers 563 00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.440 are also really interesting when you look at Halliburton just 564 00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:50.839 in general this postseason. When he's being guarded by a 565 00:27:51.000 --> 00:27:56.759 big say Isaiah Hartenstein, say Evan Mobley, say Jannis ended Akompo, 566 00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.240 his eyes get big. He loves going at those mismatches. 567 00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:06.200 In those scenarios. He's scoring fifty seven points every one 568 00:28:06.279 --> 00:28:09.200 hundred possessions when he's going when he's being defended by 569 00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.960 a big Okay, fifty seven points every one hundred possessions 570 00:28:13.240 --> 00:28:16.480 when it's a non big, a wing, a point guard 571 00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:22.920 that goes from fifty seven points to seventeen. Okay, so 572 00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:25.880 the Thunder do not want to switch Ched Holmgren or 573 00:28:25.960 --> 00:28:31.279 Jalen Williams or Isaiah Hartenstein onto Tyres Taliburton. And in 574 00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.559 many ways they don't have to because that's how good 575 00:28:33.599 --> 00:28:37.319 their wing defenders are. Lou Dorp, Cason Wallace and Alex 576 00:28:37.359 --> 00:28:41.599 Caruso shake Gildris. Alexander's in there too. But if they 577 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:44.880 do switch and he does get that mismatch where he's 578 00:28:44.920 --> 00:28:48.640 able to get some sort of transaction where he gets 579 00:28:48.839 --> 00:28:52.000 going against a big, that might be their best option 580 00:28:52.400 --> 00:28:54.880 is to just figure out a way, whether it's in 581 00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:58.279 the pick and roll or attacking in transition or doing 582 00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.200 some some deceptive plays where they're faking in action and 583 00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:07.680 getting into something else that draws in Hartenstein. But Halliburton 584 00:29:07.759 --> 00:29:10.440 is at his best when he gets off of lou 585 00:29:10.480 --> 00:29:12.839 Dort or Case and Wallace, ra Alis Caruso, And so 586 00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:16.640 maybe it's as simple as trying to attack the bigs 587 00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.359 in ways that he can do it in transition a 588 00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:21.279 lot easier than in the half court, but he has 589 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:23.799 to draw fouls and he has to be more aggressive. 590 00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.000 And your point about, look, it's the NBA Finals, and 591 00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.039 yes they're Oklahoma City is good defensively and this stuff 592 00:29:31.079 --> 00:29:35.359 is hard is well taken so like the greatest in 593 00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.480 the history of the game, And you know the narrative 594 00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:41.960 and conversation surrounding Halliburt and the whole like, well the 595 00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.759 players told the athletic he's overrated? Is he a superstar? 596 00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.519 Like that stuff is exhausting to me. But your point 597 00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:50.400 stands like, if you do want to be considered somebody 598 00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.039 who sits at that lunch table, you have to figure 599 00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:56.759 it out against defenses that are that are designed schematically 600 00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.599 to stop you, because that doesn't you know that that 601 00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:02.400 does and stop the great historically you wanted titles. So 602 00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.279 do you think Halliburton personally is up for the challenge 603 00:30:06.279 --> 00:30:09.079 based of how you articulated that he simply just has 604 00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:10.279 to step up and compete. 605 00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:14.279 Yeah, I think he's a lot like Chris Paul in 606 00:30:14.319 --> 00:30:16.839 that it's in his DNA to set the table for 607 00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.839 others rather than trying to hero ball his way out 608 00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:20.640 of this series. 609 00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:21.839 One stet that I. 610 00:30:21.799 --> 00:30:24.279 Found astounding when I was looking into this and Tyree 611 00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:28.000 Taliburton and his quote unquote passivity or his lack of 612 00:30:28.079 --> 00:30:32.279 usage rate. It's very similar to Chris Paul. Chris Paul 613 00:30:33.480 --> 00:30:40.039 All Time Great, incredibly good at maintaining possession and methodically 614 00:30:40.079 --> 00:30:45.279 breaking down the defense. Chris Paul in all his years, 615 00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:51.079 he only had two seasons of twenty point scoring and 616 00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:56.319 only one time did he shoot twenty five times in 617 00:30:56.359 --> 00:31:01.119 a playoff game. It's just not how he's built Chris Paul. 618 00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:05.599 He's more interested in setting the table, getting improving his teammates, 619 00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.119 making sure his other teammates are getting involved, rather than 620 00:31:09.160 --> 00:31:12.160 going out and trying to get forty. And I think 621 00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:15.880 Tyree Tliburton is built the same way. They have that 622 00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:19.200 like them, Muggsy Bogues and John Stockton, they have like 623 00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:24.039 identical I assist to turnover ratios. They are very careful 624 00:31:24.039 --> 00:31:27.559 with the ball and they rarely make mistakes. But I 625 00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:31.440 also think some of that is part and parcel to 626 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:34.960 why he doesn't want to go out and play hero ball. 627 00:31:35.279 --> 00:31:38.599 He's not built like MJ. He's not built like Anthony Edwards. 628 00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:42.200 He's not built like Shake Gildris Alexander, and that's okay. 629 00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:46.839 Like Chris Paul All Time Great, one of the fifty 630 00:31:46.920 --> 00:31:49.720 best players, to ever lace them up John Stockton as well. 631 00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:52.720 I think he's more in that category rather than someone 632 00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.759 who's going to win an MVP or someone who's gonna win. 633 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:56.440 A finals MVP. 634 00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:59.079 At this stage where he's just ripping the hearts out 635 00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:01.200 of the opponent for forty eight minutes. He can do 636 00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.119 it in the last two minutes of games this season, 637 00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:07.160 where it's a shot to go ahead or a shot 638 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:10.319 to tie, He's shooting thirteen to fifteen from the floor. 639 00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:14.079 But I think what's interesting about that stats. It's ridiculous, 640 00:32:14.119 --> 00:32:16.720 by the way, it's a ridiculous stat But I think 641 00:32:16.759 --> 00:32:18.839 the reason, part of the reason why he's able to 642 00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.839 be so efficient and so good in those Layton close 643 00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.319 situations this season is because he's not tiring himself out 644 00:32:25.319 --> 00:32:27.200 for the rest of the forty six minutes of the game. 645 00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:30.480 And you look at this series, he's just not as 646 00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:33.920 aggressive in the first two quarters. I don't think it's 647 00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.000 mutually exclusive. I don't think you can have one without 648 00:32:37.039 --> 00:32:39.599 the other. I think it's interesting tyre'saliburn has been so 649 00:32:39.680 --> 00:32:42.480 good in clutch situations this year. I think part of 650 00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:44.920 that is because he's got enough gas left in the 651 00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.119 tank to do those plays when everyone else is run 652 00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:50.039 down and tired, And. 653 00:32:49.960 --> 00:32:52.680 So I do think that there's a relationship there that. 654 00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.960 Tyree's taliburn is as good as he is in clutch situations. 655 00:32:56.559 --> 00:32:57.839 I don't think you're getting. 656 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.119 That prime Tyree t Halliburton, rip your heart out in 657 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.759 the end endgame stage when he's going and trying to 658 00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:08.200 score every time down the floor in the first three quarters. 659 00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:11.039 So it's a delicate balance. And I think he's more 660 00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:14.440 Chris Paul than he is Shaye Gildsris Alexander And to me, 661 00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.359 he's got to have at least one if they're going 662 00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.880 to win this series, they've got to have at least 663 00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:24.039 one epic shake Gilders. I mean Tyrees Haliburton game where 664 00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.440 he's got thirty and fifteen. It's gonna take that against 665 00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:29.920 this OKAC team. Like I think this is going to 666 00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:32.079 be over and five. I picked that in before the series. 667 00:33:32.599 --> 00:33:37.000 And if Haliburton wants to be a legend, legendary all 668 00:33:37.039 --> 00:33:40.319 time player like he has shown in the first three rounds, 669 00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:44.799 it's going to take another historic performance that isn't going 670 00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:46.839 to be just twelve or thirteen shots in the game. 671 00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.839 Yeah, it's a couple of good points in there. 672 00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:55.480 My favorite is the the parallel between Halliburton and SGA. 673 00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:00.319 That's that's not the correct line to draw here. It's 674 00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.240 those two against each other as far as you know 675 00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:05.480 who's going to go off and who's gonna lead their team. 676 00:34:05.480 --> 00:34:08.039 They lead their team in different ways. It's a false equivalency. 677 00:34:08.079 --> 00:34:11.800 They're different players. But if we move over to the Thunder, 678 00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.079 you know, it was funny because Game two I thought 679 00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:17.880 was just tremendously boring because it's what OKAC just does. 680 00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:20.599 I mean, it's like death with a thousand paper cuts. 681 00:34:20.639 --> 00:34:23.679 It started out back and forth, the Pacers looked okay, 682 00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:26.119 and if you've been watching the Thunder all year long, 683 00:34:26.199 --> 00:34:28.920 it's just it's what they've done all year. And I 684 00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:32.679 harken back to what Chris Finch said after Oklahoma City 685 00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:35.519 eliminated the Timberwolves, when a media member and his postgame 686 00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:37.960 presser said, what did you learn about your team tonight? 687 00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:41.000 And he said, nothing, because this is who we are. 688 00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:44.239 I feel like this is just a mountain that's too 689 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:46.719 tall for the Pacers to climb. But if you look 690 00:34:46.760 --> 00:34:49.679 at the moments of success they've had in this series, 691 00:34:49.719 --> 00:34:51.400 which even though it's one one. It hasn't been a 692 00:34:51.440 --> 00:34:53.920 lot of moments like ninety six minutes of play, ninety 693 00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.000 minutes or so have been dominated by the Thunder. But 694 00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:00.239 as they go back home, what do the Pacers do 695 00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:02.960 with what feels like kryptonite? If you try to sell 696 00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.039 out to stop shade. They've got plenty of shooters that 697 00:35:05.079 --> 00:35:07.239 can knock down shots. How do they how do they 698 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:08.760 corral this team that whin they're ticking? 699 00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:13.800 They just feel so impossible, Tom, Yeah, you know you 700 00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:18.639 said it. This This OKAC team has led for basically 701 00:35:18.679 --> 00:35:23.280 the entire series, and it was an incredible shot making 702 00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:25.559 display at the end of Game one that they fought 703 00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:28.480 back and rallied and won that game in epic fashion. 704 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:36.639 But to me, this Thunder team is designed to crush 705 00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:39.679 teams like the Indiana Pacers, where so much of their 706 00:35:39.719 --> 00:35:44.800 offense depends on Hollie and and themhard and they are 707 00:35:44.880 --> 00:35:49.320 so good at stopping ball dominant. 708 00:35:48.920 --> 00:35:50.159 Guys guys who are. 709 00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:54.079 You know they move the ball quite a bit. 710 00:35:54.159 --> 00:35:55.639 But that's what OKAYC. 711 00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:59.119 Does is they're just so ferocious defensively, They're Doberman's out 712 00:35:59.119 --> 00:36:03.000 there that I just if you're not gonna be able 713 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.119 to pound them in the paint. They're not gonna be vulnerable, 714 00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:11.000 and it's gonna come down to Pascal Siakam and Miles 715 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:15.880 Turner and Obi Toppin to try to free up the 716 00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.360 other guys and have multiple defenders collapse onto them in 717 00:36:20.400 --> 00:36:23.079 the paint, and then you can get kind of Tyrese 718 00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.599 going downhill on a hard close out and a kickout. 719 00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:27.079 That might be their. 720 00:36:26.920 --> 00:36:30.239 Option is to play inside out rather than inside in, 721 00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.280 but that's easier said than done. I think I said 722 00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.559 this before to you Spence. When you watch some Thunder 723 00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:38.079 play basketball, especially on defense, it feels like it's six 724 00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.800 on five. It feels like there's six guys out there. 725 00:36:42.199 --> 00:36:44.599 That's how well they cover ground and how well they 726 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:48.760 close out and recover, help and recover and swarm. It 727 00:36:48.840 --> 00:36:51.280 doesn't seem right like I'm looking around, like are there 728 00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:53.960 six guys out there? And that's just how they play, 729 00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.639 and so it's gonna be really challenging. But they gotta 730 00:36:56.719 --> 00:36:59.519 pound the paint, play inside out, and that's easier said 731 00:36:59.559 --> 00:36:59.920 than done. 732 00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:01.840 All right, let's move over to a story. 733 00:37:01.920 --> 00:37:04.960 And look, you know my background and upbringing, and I 734 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:07.119 still very much cheer for the new York Knicks and 735 00:37:07.159 --> 00:37:10.840 have enjoyed the fact that they're relevant and somewhat fun again. 736 00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.000 But even in my Nick fandom, I have to chuckle 737 00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:17.639 at the Hubris where for the first time in thirty years, 738 00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:21.400 you're somewhat relevant. So your response to your relevance is 739 00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.559 to fire a really good coach and then believe that 740 00:37:23.599 --> 00:37:28.199 you can just interview anyone you want. Minnesota, Dallas, Houston 741 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:31.639 all said no, you are not allowed. So your take 742 00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:33.760 on this, and do you have any idea who they're 743 00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.760 going to land on to replace Tom Thibodeau. 744 00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:40.719 Why couldn't they just keep TIBs and then bring in 745 00:37:40.840 --> 00:37:44.880 like a Terry Stotts, you know, like, if you're worried 746 00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:50.800 about his rigidity or his inability to sink outside the box, 747 00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:55.119 then I think you keep that guy and try to 748 00:37:55.159 --> 00:37:58.719 get an offensive coordinator in there to help you think 749 00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:01.880 more outside the box. Maybe Tibbs is so rigid that 750 00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:05.360 he will not listen to that guy. But what it 751 00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.960 sounds like to me is that leon Rose and Dolan 752 00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.280 are not on the same page on this because leon 753 00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:16.280 Rose to me, seems like a Tibbs guy that from 754 00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.480 CIA and going back in the day, I think that 755 00:38:19.559 --> 00:38:24.360 they are they are aligned on this, and the fact 756 00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.159 that James Dolan, from Vinnie Goodwill's reporting at Yahoo's Sports 757 00:38:28.199 --> 00:38:31.599 and others, seems to be intervening here and meddling with 758 00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:35.239 this decision and not liking Tom Thibodeaux and being the 759 00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:38.800 driver of this. This feels like the old Knicks. 760 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:39.119 Again. 761 00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:42.320 The last few years have felt like. 762 00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:43.400 This new regime. 763 00:38:43.519 --> 00:38:49.360 Leon Rose is doing this very methodically and very sophisticated 764 00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:55.119 long term view. This feels like the old Knicks. And 765 00:38:55.159 --> 00:38:57.280 I don't mean that in a good way. This feels 766 00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:02.639 like to me, it's it feels very knee jerk. It 767 00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:08.239 feels very emotional, and it also reeks of arrogance that 768 00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:12.119 like the exceptionalism that you're imbuing on the rest of 769 00:39:12.159 --> 00:39:17.280 the NBA, that you're saying, you built this Minnesota team, 770 00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.360 I'm going to steal you away and post you because 771 00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:22.920 we're the Knicks. Or the same thing for Ema Adoka 772 00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.000 and the same thing for Jason Kidd. Now, the Jason 773 00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:27.480 Kidd thing is really interesting to me because the reporting 774 00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.760 suggests that the interest is mutual, that Jason Kidd also 775 00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:35.840 wants to become a New York Nick. And when you 776 00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:38.960 don't allow Jason Kidd to get. 777 00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:39.480 What he wants. 778 00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:44.079 There's been a pattern here throughout his career, both player 779 00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:47.679 and coaching, that Jason Kidd will in the end get 780 00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:50.719 what he wants. And so that, to me, Spence, is 781 00:39:50.800 --> 00:39:53.480 really interesting, is if that is true that Jason Kidd 782 00:39:53.480 --> 00:39:56.639 wants to coach this team the New York Knicks and 783 00:39:56.679 --> 00:40:00.000 the Dallas Mavericks denied permission and said no you will, 784 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:03.039 I'm not allowed to talk. What does Jason Kidd know? 785 00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:07.719 What can Jason Kidd do to make this a very 786 00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:12.440 uncomfortable situation for Nico Harrison and the incoming Cooper flag 787 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:16.719 and Patrick Dumont. And that's where this gets really messy 788 00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:21.800 and also soap opera palace intrigue, where you're looking at 789 00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:23.920 Jason Kidd and if he truly wants to become a 790 00:40:23.920 --> 00:40:29.320 New York Nick this circus has only begun. And I 791 00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.639 wonder what your thoughts are on that. Because Jason Kidd, 792 00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:35.760 what he did with the Brooklyn Nets and the Milwaukee Bucks, 793 00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.639 this seems like not the end of the story, but 794 00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:39.920 possibly just the beginning. 795 00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:44.199 So interesting My read was potentially Jason Kidd does not 796 00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:47.440 want the nick job because I would imagine, and I 797 00:40:47.440 --> 00:40:50.000 don't know this, you could very very well be correct. 798 00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:53.960 Like if you're Patrick Dumont, if you're Nico Harrison, and 799 00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.960 the Knicks call you, it's Jim Dolan or Leon Rose 800 00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:58.760 or whatever, and they say, we'd like to interview your 801 00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:01.440 head coach. I guess would be they would talk to 802 00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:04.800 Jason and say, are you interested in this? And if 803 00:41:04.840 --> 00:41:07.320 he says that he is, I don't want you coaching 804 00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:10.599 my team. So then I call Leon back and Dolan back, 805 00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:13.239 and I say, Okay, it's gonna cost your first rounder 806 00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.719 or whatever. So my read was kind of like, maybe 807 00:41:16.719 --> 00:41:18.800 they talked to Jason and the reporting is incorrect, he 808 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:20.159 does not have interest in that job. 809 00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:23.400 But honestly don't know. Yeah, I don't know. 810 00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.079 I think it was Brian Winnhurst who reported that it's 811 00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:28.920 mutual interest between the two Jason Kidd and. 812 00:41:28.880 --> 00:41:29.760 The New York Knicks. YEP. 813 00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:33.519 Now what level that is, whether it rises if the 814 00:41:33.599 --> 00:41:37.880 interest in Jason Kidd supersedes his interest in the Dallas 815 00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:38.599 Maverick's job. 816 00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:39.039 I don't know. 817 00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.239 He might be interested in both. But the Jason Kidd's 818 00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:48.320 story is fascinating to Lawrence Frank in Brooklyn. The Prokovs 819 00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:50.599 and the way that he tried to go about Billy 820 00:41:50.679 --> 00:41:55.079 King in Brooklyn to try to build his personnel in 821 00:41:55.119 --> 00:41:58.079 a way that he wanted, and then they just said, 822 00:41:58.079 --> 00:42:01.760 we're done with this. You go to Milwaukee and we'll 823 00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:04.800 get a couple first rounders or second rounders. 824 00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:05.079 Five. 825 00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.199 I think Jason Kidd is in a very tough spot 826 00:42:09.280 --> 00:42:13.000 here because he's close with Kyrie, He's close with Jalen Brunson, 827 00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:17.199 He's close with Anthony Davis, and he's also close with 828 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:22.079 the Dumont's family and with Nico Harrison. The loyal The 829 00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.000 loyalty seems to be with Dallas, but he's also got 830 00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:30.159 this Cooper Flag expectation coming in and I think that's 831 00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:31.960 a tricky thing for a head coach to deal with. 832 00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.800 Is an eighteen year old Cooper Flag entering a win 833 00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:38.400 now situation with Anthony Davis? Can you do the David 834 00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:41.880 Robinson Tim Duncan in San Antonio If you don't have 835 00:42:41.960 --> 00:42:45.000 a full roster around, it's supporting cast. Kyrie Irving's not 836 00:42:45.039 --> 00:42:47.199 going to play next year or much of next year, 837 00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:50.320 and so I can understand why Jason Kidd might look 838 00:42:50.360 --> 00:42:52.800 at what Nico Harrison did with Lucan Dancic, and then 839 00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:55.920 what is going to happen here with Cooper Flag and 840 00:42:56.079 --> 00:43:00.360 just say, you know what, maybe maybe the nick job 841 00:43:00.519 --> 00:43:02.719 is a lot simpler, you know than what I'm going 842 00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:05.760 to have to navigate here. So we'll see what happens 843 00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:09.320 with Jason Kidd. But I think I think Cooper Flag 844 00:43:09.400 --> 00:43:12.000 is the real deal. I think he's going to be outstanding, 845 00:43:12.360 --> 00:43:15.360 And for those reasons, I think Jason Kidd would be 846 00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.880 smart to stay and build around that guy. But what 847 00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:20.719 Niko Harrison has done to build a win now team 848 00:43:20.760 --> 00:43:24.559 and trade away Luka Dancic, it doesn't look like you 849 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:26.920 can kind of slow play this thing. And if I'm 850 00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.239 Jason Kidd, that's gonna be a very tricky situation. 851 00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:31.519 All right, Tom last thing before I said you lose 852 00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:35.159 over the past, I'll say four days. We have some reporting, 853 00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.559 including Sarah Todd because you're on the ground and works 854 00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.320 for the Desert Red News and covers the Jazz, Bill 855 00:43:40.360 --> 00:43:43.079 Simmons on his podcast, and then Zach Lowe has been 856 00:43:43.119 --> 00:43:46.119 the most recent to either write or say out loud. 857 00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.800 They've been told the Jazz are actively taking phone calls 858 00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.760 on both Lowry Market and and Walker Kessler. So if 859 00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:55.400 we take Austin Ainge at his word that there will 860 00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:59.119 be no tanking or manipulating minutes this season, and they 861 00:43:59.159 --> 00:44:02.119 are now taking phone calls on who I perceive it 862 00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:04.039 to be honestly the only two good players on their 863 00:44:04.119 --> 00:44:07.400 roster right now, what does that tell you about what 864 00:44:07.519 --> 00:44:09.360 next year might look like in Salt Lake? 865 00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:13.039 Yeah, I would say they're going to try to get 866 00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:17.440 younger around market in or moving market in and trying 867 00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:19.880 to get younger. But then Walker Kessler is one of 868 00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:23.760 the best young bigs in the NBA, So are you 869 00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:28.400 really going to move him for a younger piece when 870 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.840 the guy just turned twenty three this year, so like 871 00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:35.800 he's turning twenty four in July. Maybe you try to 872 00:44:35.880 --> 00:44:38.239 move him for a twenty year old big or a 873 00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:40.079 twenty one year old big and just kind of move 874 00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:42.880 the timeline back a few years and you don't have 875 00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.079 to pay a big extension and see that through. But 876 00:44:46.199 --> 00:44:49.440 I don't I don't know what moving Walker Kessler does 877 00:44:49.559 --> 00:44:53.280 for you. I don't know. Now if Cooper Flagg is 878 00:44:53.320 --> 00:44:55.440 coming down the pike and you're trying to figure out 879 00:44:55.559 --> 00:44:59.079 market in and flag and Walker Kessler, I can understand 880 00:44:59.119 --> 00:45:02.239 why you move one but not both of those guys. 881 00:45:02.880 --> 00:45:06.639 I don't I mean, I don't know what the move 882 00:45:06.679 --> 00:45:10.599 would be on Walker Kessler moving him. I can understand marketing. 883 00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.159 There's a bunch of contenders that could see Marketing as 884 00:45:13.159 --> 00:45:15.519 a missing piece, as a floor space or a dynamic 885 00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:17.679 offensive driver. 886 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:20.079 But the Walker Kessler piece. 887 00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:22.559 Doesn't make sense to me because he seems like a 888 00:45:22.599 --> 00:45:25.920 guy to help build around at twenty three years old, 889 00:45:26.239 --> 00:45:29.039 not someone that you're gonna move away to try to 890 00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:34.159 win now. It's just I don't see it, and it 891 00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:39.400 doesn't seem to be able to be reconciled the idea 892 00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.760 that you would want to win now but also move 893 00:45:41.960 --> 00:45:44.880 Lowry Markinen and Walker Kessler. So that doesn't add up 894 00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:45.079 to me. 895 00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:47.320 Yeah, I guess only time will tell. 896 00:45:47.360 --> 00:45:49.599 All right, my friend, thanks for stopping buying a game day, 897 00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.320 Enjoy the game tonight, have a great week. 898 00:45:51.360 --> 00:45:52.320 We'll chatch him. 899 00:45:52.880 --> 00:45:53.840 You gots fence, all. 900 00:45:53.800 --> 00:45:56.199 Right, the great Tom Haberstrow. We'll take a quick break. 901 00:45:56.239 --> 00:45:58.119 We've got one hour in the books, three hours to go. 902 00:45:58.360 --> 00:46:00.880 Zach Harper from the Athletic Joint just coming up next. 903 00:46:01.639 --> 00:46:02.880 I'm Ben bringing Brian. 904 00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:03.719 Dunseeth in today. 905 00:46:03.800 --> 00:46:07.199 Donny was on the broadcast team for turn for Turner 906 00:46:07.239 --> 00:46:10.599 Sports last night as the US men's national team got 907 00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:13.400 their heads kicked in one year away from the World Cup. 908 00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:17.000 Neil Smith, former general manager of the Rangers, stop out 909 00:46:17.000 --> 00:46:20.000 of Talk Some Hockey Pablo Master Winny to preview RSLs 910 00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:23.480 match Start things off today with Tom Haberstrow Rest in Peace. 911 00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:25.719 Brian Wilson at the age of eighty two Beach Boys 912 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:27.760 on the show today, Zach Harper, I finally found a 913 00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:28.440 way to kill the bit. 914 00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:33.079 Yeah, I mean I think we could have done like 915 00:46:33.199 --> 00:46:34.239 some kind of remix. 916 00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.159 Uh, you know, on the day he passes. That's that's 917 00:46:38.199 --> 00:46:40.000 how you're leading. Look at you? 918 00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.679 Why not? Why not? Why not? Why not celebrate both? 919 00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.039 Can you let the body be cold before we're making 920 00:46:45.159 --> 00:46:46.679 jokes about the man wagers passed? 921 00:46:46.679 --> 00:46:47.760 Please didn't do it. 922 00:46:48.119 --> 00:46:52.320 He kind of did. Happy Wednesday, man, how are you doing. 923 00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:56.760 I'm good, I'm good. I'm gonna start with a little 924 00:46:56.840 --> 00:46:59.280 jazz here because over the path we were just talking 925 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:02.719 about this with Tom over the past four days or so. 926 00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.559 We have Sarah Todd here locally, who covers the jazz 927 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:08.719 for the d News. Bill Simmons on his podcast, then 928 00:47:08.719 --> 00:47:12.280 most recently Zach Lowe, I'll say the Jazz are actively 929 00:47:12.320 --> 00:47:16.159 taking phone calls on Marketing and Kessler. Uh So if 930 00:47:16.159 --> 00:47:19.360 you juxtaposed that with Austin Ainge and his press are 931 00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.440 saying that no more tanking, We're not manipulating minutes. What 932 00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:23.960 does that say to you about what it's going to 933 00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:25.280 look like next year for the Jazz. 934 00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.360 Well, maybe they're, you know, trying to get Giannis there 935 00:47:28.360 --> 00:47:29.400 you go, k or both. 936 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:32.000 Yeah, probably not, but you're out of the box thinker. 937 00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:35.440 I like that. Yeah. I mean maybe you know, if 938 00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.119 you if you play your best players but your best 939 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:41.039 players aren't any good, is that tanking? 940 00:47:41.599 --> 00:47:42.039 Mm hmm. 941 00:47:42.519 --> 00:47:45.679 You know, kind of a philosophical question here, you know, like, hey, 942 00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.239 we put our best guys out there, just not any good. 943 00:47:48.400 --> 00:47:50.960 So maybe that's maybe that's kind of the loophole. Everyone 944 00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:51.639 loves the loophole. 945 00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:55.639 It's essentially what Washington did last year, right, And look, 946 00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:58.760 I don't know if the Jazz, even if they held 947 00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.320 held on to Kessler and marketing and all of their 948 00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.239 vets and they played all of those players sixty five 949 00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.119 to seventy games, I don't think they're winning more than 950 00:48:08.320 --> 00:48:10.519 twenty five or thirty games, but if you do win 951 00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:12.960 thirty games, you are in a position where you could 952 00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.960 lose that pick. So maybe it is just like next 953 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.679 year is all like twenty three and under players playing 954 00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:20.639 for the Jazz all year. 955 00:48:21.599 --> 00:48:23.440 Yeah, and I just don't I mean the whole thing 956 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.280 of like we don't tank anymore, Like what are we doing? 957 00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:29.320 What are you doing here? Like it's it's just done 958 00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:32.400 lip service, and like maybe he's going to be good 959 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:33.840 to the job, Like I don't know, like people really 960 00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:35.519 respect him around the league. He seems to have done 961 00:48:35.519 --> 00:48:38.320 a good job in Boston with what his role was, 962 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:42.119 Like it just seems it seems like something to say 963 00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:45.119 at a press conference, but not something to actually do 964 00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.679 in rebuilding this team, because you look at the at 965 00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:49.840 the roster and like there's some nice young players here 966 00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:54.360 and there, but there's nothing that even like even hints 967 00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.000 at the idea that they're going to be any kind 968 00:48:56.039 --> 00:48:57.400 of confident in the next year or two. 969 00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:02.519 Yeah, And look, I mean, ultimately I understand the marketing 970 00:49:02.599 --> 00:49:05.480 thing because he turns twenty nine next year, which is 971 00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:09.119 not old by any stretch of an imagination, but it 972 00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:12.079 probably doesn't fit the timeline. The caster ones kind of 973 00:49:12.079 --> 00:49:15.960 interesting though, because he's twenty three years old. So, just 974 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:18.840 generally speaking, both of those players, what sort of interest 975 00:49:18.880 --> 00:49:20.320 do you think they would hold around the league? And 976 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:22.679 what sort of return could the Jazz get for both 977 00:49:22.679 --> 00:49:23.320 of them? 978 00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.800 Yeah, I wonder if Lowry's return is lower than what 979 00:49:27.880 --> 00:49:30.480 it would have been a year or two ago. Right, 980 00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:33.159 I mean, I don't know how many people are are 981 00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:35.599 looking to give up a lot of draft picks right now. 982 00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:37.199 I don't even know how many teams have a lot 983 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:40.159 of draftics to give up outside of you know, Okac's 984 00:49:40.159 --> 00:49:44.840 got them, and you know Brooklyn's got a couple, and 985 00:49:44.920 --> 00:49:47.199 you know, you've got some teams here and there. You know, 986 00:49:47.239 --> 00:49:49.960 Houston's got a couple, Like you've got some teams here 987 00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:51.960 and there that can give up some draft capital. But 988 00:49:51.960 --> 00:49:54.519 I just I don't know that that's an easy fit 989 00:49:54.599 --> 00:49:57.320 to just go get marketing. And even if it is, 990 00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.440 I don't know that the market is all that hot 991 00:50:00.480 --> 00:50:02.440 for them. That doesn't mean teams don't want them. I 992 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.039 just don't know that they're in a huge position of 993 00:50:04.079 --> 00:50:06.119 power to start a bidding war. Now, that could all 994 00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.280 change with just one team deciding, like you know what 995 00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:11.880 that that seven foot who could really score, we could 996 00:50:11.960 --> 00:50:14.800 use them on our roster, and so there there will 997 00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.639 be a market for him. I just I just don't 998 00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:18.159 know if it's as hot as it would have been 999 00:50:18.239 --> 00:50:22.000 before the extension. So for him, like that's probably more 1000 00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:25.400 of a waiting game. My guess would be maybe that's 1001 00:50:25.519 --> 00:50:28.440 that's more of a trade deadline deal for him. That 1002 00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.880 makes sense when when teams really are desperate, because I 1003 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.119 don't I don't know. I also just don't know how 1004 00:50:34.159 --> 00:50:36.519 active this summer is going to be as teams still 1005 00:50:36.559 --> 00:50:38.960 adjust to the second apron and everything. Kessler is an 1006 00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:41.400 interesting one. It makes me wonder what the vision of 1007 00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.559 this team is moving forward, if they want a more 1008 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:47.119 traditional big man who's the rim protector, or if they're 1009 00:50:47.159 --> 00:50:50.199 looking at something far more versatile. And I do think 1010 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:53.199 Kessler can do a little bit more athletically and skill 1011 00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:55.760 wise than what he's been asked to do the last 1012 00:50:55.760 --> 00:50:58.519 two seasons. But at the same time, there does seem 1013 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.320 to be a limit in terms of the versus Tildy 1014 00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:02.199 that he can provide. So that may just be a 1015 00:51:02.239 --> 00:51:05.320 style of play idea. And you know, he's a young 1016 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:08.679 guy on a on a good rookie contract. Where where 1017 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:10.519 there is a lot of a lot of skill set 1018 00:51:10.559 --> 00:51:14.079 and there is a lot of definitive tangible role that 1019 00:51:14.119 --> 00:51:17.079 you can put him into right away if you acquire him. 1020 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:20.519 So I think that's just possibly selling maybe not high, 1021 00:51:20.559 --> 00:51:23.760 but selling like pretty well on a young asset. 1022 00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:27.000 It was reported today your old buddy Shams reporting that 1023 00:51:27.480 --> 00:51:32.000 Kevin Durant and his reps, namely Rich Climban, are actively 1024 00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:35.079 looking at options for him because the sons have to 1025 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:35.639 do something. 1026 00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:36.920 They're stuck with Brad Beale. 1027 00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:39.079 I don't think they'll trade book and so they probably 1028 00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:42.280 have to trade KD. So two part question, who is 1029 00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:45.360 Kevin Durant in today's NBA at his stage in his 1030 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.719 career and where do you think ultimately he lands if 1031 00:51:47.719 --> 00:51:49.280 he's dealt Do you. 1032 00:51:49.280 --> 00:51:51.880 Think Shams just has that draft ready to just fill 1033 00:51:51.880 --> 00:51:55.840 in the teams because we've had this so many times. 1034 00:51:55.559 --> 00:51:56.840 One hundred percent for sure. 1035 00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:00.599 Like man, I feel like I've read that a lot 1036 00:52:00.639 --> 00:52:04.440 over the years. Yeah, it's an interesting question because you 1037 00:52:04.480 --> 00:52:07.159 know he is up there in age, he's still really good. 1038 00:52:07.280 --> 00:52:10.840 I don't know how reliable he is from an availability standpoint, 1039 00:52:11.760 --> 00:52:13.639 And I think that's the tough part in terms of 1040 00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:15.760 what you're giving up for him. But if you add 1041 00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:17.760 him to the team, if you can get sixty games 1042 00:52:17.800 --> 00:52:20.639 and playoffs out of him, you know, that's that's still 1043 00:52:20.679 --> 00:52:24.079 one of the ten to fifteen best players in the world. 1044 00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:27.000 Like he I mean, he's still incredible. He played really 1045 00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.199 well this year. He was just in a disaster of 1046 00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.920 a situation. So I think you put him, you know, 1047 00:52:33.480 --> 00:52:36.760 on a San Antonio or a Houston or Minnesota or 1048 00:52:36.840 --> 00:52:39.559 any of these teams that appear to be interested in him, 1049 00:52:39.880 --> 00:52:43.239 I think it's a massive acquisition. You know, there's been 1050 00:52:43.400 --> 00:52:46.519 some online trade ideas I don't even even want to 1051 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:48.679 say rumors. So I don't think that's that's an accurate 1052 00:52:48.679 --> 00:52:50.039 way of putting it. But there's like, oh, what if 1053 00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.639 they traded Cat for Durant. I'm like, I don't think 1054 00:52:52.639 --> 00:52:55.000 that's a win for either team, you know, Like I 1055 00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:58.440 don't think that, Like it's not that he's as you know, 1056 00:52:58.559 --> 00:53:01.199 the same level as Cat, but I just I don't 1057 00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.960 know if that would fix anything for what they need. 1058 00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.719 And so I do think it's not just an easy 1059 00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:08.719 thing across the board. I also, like, I don't know 1060 00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:10.559 how much I would give up for him at this point. 1061 00:53:10.599 --> 00:53:13.559 I mean, what you're maybe getting two years and you 1062 00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:17.079 don't know two years of potentially you know, close to 1063 00:53:17.119 --> 00:53:20.559 elite play, and you don't know how available it's he's 1064 00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.079 going to be in those two years. So I just 1065 00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:25.280 think that's a that's a weird situation too, where maybe 1066 00:53:25.280 --> 00:53:29.280 it feels like that deal, it's probably gonna look a 1067 00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:32.159 lot better when it gets reported wherever that ends up being, 1068 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.360 than what we might think it'll look like. 1069 00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:38.360 So I've always pushed back on the whole, like KD 1070 00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.400 had to join Steph and that crew to win championships. 1071 00:53:41.400 --> 00:53:42.039 I mean, over the. 1072 00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.039 Years, a lot of great players have chased rings with 1073 00:53:45.119 --> 00:53:48.400 other great players, and that's not something that's unique to him. 1074 00:53:48.639 --> 00:53:51.199 But when you look at his resume, you know, Finals 1075 00:53:51.280 --> 00:53:54.199 MVP twice, League MVP, He's led the league in scoring 1076 00:53:54.280 --> 00:53:57.719 six times, He's made fifteen All Star teams, Rookie of 1077 00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:02.360 the Year All NBA six seven times. When Russo and 1078 00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:04.599 Steven Ay are yelling at each other in spanks in 1079 00:54:04.639 --> 00:54:07.960 fifteen years about his legacy and the fact that he's 1080 00:54:08.000 --> 00:54:11.320 played for five teams comes up, what does that say 1081 00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.079 to you about him? I mean, a player like that 1082 00:54:14.800 --> 00:54:18.159 to play for five different teams because he is historically special, Like, 1083 00:54:18.400 --> 00:54:21.079 what does that say about the path that he's traveled. 1084 00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:24.800 I think that's more about the times, right, I think 1085 00:54:24.840 --> 00:54:28.480 that's more about the era, because I don't know, like 1086 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:35.039 you look at that and with KD, I think that 1087 00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:37.880 there's a certain point where maybe he made some bad 1088 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:40.880 decisions or some tough decisions, or things just didn't work out. 1089 00:54:40.960 --> 00:54:43.760 Like I don't think Brooklyn was a bad decision for him. 1090 00:54:44.000 --> 00:54:46.400 I think that they they they came really close to 1091 00:54:46.440 --> 00:54:49.119 you know, the everyone talks about it, but like you know, 1092 00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:51.360 he's half a shoe size away from sending Milwaukee home, 1093 00:54:51.440 --> 00:54:53.800 and then who knows what happens with that Brooklyn team? 1094 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:56.239 Do they win the championship? And if they win the championship, 1095 00:54:56.280 --> 00:54:58.559 then then how do you know? Obviously all of that 1096 00:54:58.599 --> 00:55:01.119 looks great and all that change is the course of history. 1097 00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:03.719 But his foot was just a little too big on 1098 00:55:03.760 --> 00:55:06.400 that final shot in regulation. They lost in overtime, So 1099 00:55:06.800 --> 00:55:10.159 you know, there are all these what ifs with him. 1100 00:55:10.360 --> 00:55:12.480 It's funny because I've talked about this with a lot 1101 00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.719 of people over the last year or so, where they 1102 00:55:15.760 --> 00:55:18.599 don't really consider him like a champion, They don't consider 1103 00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:22.159 him not a champion, but those those Warriors titles are weird. 1104 00:55:22.239 --> 00:55:23.960 Like I consider him a champion. I'm like, hey, you 1105 00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:27.400 won the titles. Like, I get that it was easier 1106 00:55:27.440 --> 00:55:29.880 to do because of that team and because of your decision, 1107 00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.159 but you still won the championships, right Like, we don't 1108 00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:35.360 we don't really do that with any other player in history. 1109 00:55:35.559 --> 00:55:38.639 But I get why people don't hold them in the 1110 00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:42.119 same regard as other championships, right Like, it's definitely not 1111 00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:45.320 the same level as what Dirk did for in his 1112 00:55:45.440 --> 00:55:49.000 one with Dallas. So like, I think ultimately you get 1113 00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.000 some you know, you get some distance from the era. 1114 00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.760 And when you know, President Stephen a Is is arguing 1115 00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.800 about it on first take before he goes back into 1116 00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:01.400 the Oval office someday, like I you know, I think 1117 00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:04.199 we're gonna. I think we're gonna We're just gonna look 1118 00:56:04.239 --> 00:56:06.960 at the numbers and the awards and everything and be like, hey, 1119 00:56:06.960 --> 00:56:09.480 the guy's one of the ten to fifteen greatest players 1120 00:56:09.519 --> 00:56:10.079 we've ever seen. 1121 00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:12.480 You know, there was a time I would have laughed 1122 00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.679 at that potential. And then after twenty sixteen, like you know, 1123 00:56:15.920 --> 00:56:17.920 who knows if. 1124 00:56:17.760 --> 00:56:19.400 You were if you were laughing or crying, and I 1125 00:56:19.440 --> 00:56:20.519 couldn't tell if I was either. 1126 00:56:21.320 --> 00:56:22.679 It's just it's just where we're at. 1127 00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.800 Nothing would surprise me anymore at this point, all right, 1128 00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:28.880 outside of Durant. You mentioned the Yannis potential and you're 1129 00:56:28.920 --> 00:56:29.480 plugged in? 1130 00:56:29.920 --> 00:56:30.480 Is that real? 1131 00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:32.800 Like do you think they're gonna, well, they would move 1132 00:56:32.800 --> 00:56:34.280 off of him, but do you think he's gonna look 1133 00:56:34.280 --> 00:56:36.239 for a different home? And kind of same question, what 1134 00:56:36.360 --> 00:56:38.360 does that look like? Where do you think he lands? 1135 00:56:38.920 --> 00:56:39.079 Man? 1136 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.239 I don't. I don't think it's real. I think that 1137 00:56:41.320 --> 00:56:43.440 they're like this is all me just guessing, right, I 1138 00:56:43.719 --> 00:56:45.559 don't have any reporting on this. This is just me 1139 00:56:46.320 --> 00:56:50.119 reading tea leaves from very far away. But like to me, 1140 00:56:50.800 --> 00:56:54.400 I think there is a real obsession with the pr 1141 00:56:54.480 --> 00:56:56.519 of it all for Yannis. And I look at that 1142 00:56:56.599 --> 00:56:58.679 in his like his press conferences and him trying to 1143 00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.760 be the dorky guy and like, oh, I don't understand 1144 00:57:00.760 --> 00:57:03.800 what anything is right, Like he's really held onto that 1145 00:57:03.840 --> 00:57:06.000 and he's got like the Disney thing and all this stuff. 1146 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:09.360 And I do think that there is like it may 1147 00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.480 it may happen eventually. I don't think it's happening now 1148 00:57:12.480 --> 00:57:15.000 where he asks out, I think he believes that that 1149 00:57:15.039 --> 00:57:17.079 would look bad. I don't think he probably wants to 1150 00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.199 still make it work in Milwaukee. Now, One conversation with 1151 00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:24.480 a star player elsewhere could change that. One decision where 1152 00:57:24.480 --> 00:57:27.119 he like really just steps back and looks at what 1153 00:57:27.280 --> 00:57:30.239 Milwaukee's going to be next season, and he and if 1154 00:57:30.239 --> 00:57:33.880 he gets some kind of you know, bird's eye view 1155 00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.599 of this and realizes, oh, I'm really on my own 1156 00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:38.880 next season, maybe he decides he doesn't want to do that. 1157 00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:42.280 But I do think that there is this this real 1158 00:57:42.559 --> 00:57:47.119 like obsession with looking like the good guy, being the 1159 00:57:47.159 --> 00:57:50.639 good guy, and trying to stick this out and pull 1160 00:57:50.519 --> 00:57:53.400 all this together and maybe trying to find some way 1161 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:56.880 even though it's unrealistic, to bring people to Milwaukee rather 1162 00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.280 than him going elsewhere, at least in the time being. 1163 00:58:00.920 --> 00:58:04.320 The hubris of the Knicks has to be discussed today. 1164 00:58:04.599 --> 00:58:08.400 It's like, and you know my background, I'm a lifelong 1165 00:58:08.480 --> 00:58:11.440 fan of the team and love that they're relevant again, 1166 00:58:11.559 --> 00:58:13.760 relevant again. But you're relevant for the first time in 1167 00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:16.320 thirty years. So your approach is to fire a good 1168 00:58:16.360 --> 00:58:19.280 coach and then believe you can talk to whoever you 1169 00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:21.360 want to in the league. So I have to admit 1170 00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:26.159 the humor that I'm finding in this situation where all 1171 00:58:26.199 --> 00:58:28.519 three coaches they apparently wanted to talk to they've been 1172 00:58:28.519 --> 00:58:31.400 denied permission, and that they kind of scracking me up today. 1173 00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.679 I mean, it's like if you broke up with your 1174 00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.639 girlfriend then you just started dming Eva Mendez. You're like, hey, 1175 00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:39.519 I know you've got Ryan Goslin at home, but like 1176 00:58:39.760 --> 00:58:42.599 what about it? Right? Like it's just it's insane. Like 1177 00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:46.480 it's like, I guess I understand the Jason Kidd think 1178 00:58:46.599 --> 00:58:49.320 a little bit. You do have the connection between Jalen 1179 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:51.960 Brunston and Jason Kidd. He does have a history of 1180 00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.079 doing this before, right, That's how he got to Milwaukee. 1181 00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:59.119 Like that's not totally unprecedented with him. And there are 1182 00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:03.079 a lot of whispers, rumors whatever about he maybe doesn't 1183 00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:06.559 want to be tied to this pr nightmare that is 1184 00:59:06.679 --> 00:59:08.599 the Dallas Mavericks right now. Now. I don't know how 1185 00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:10.480 real that is, but that's at least been going around 1186 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:14.679 a little bit. So there are some maybe tea leads 1187 00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:16.920 to read there to think maybe you have a chance 1188 00:59:16.960 --> 00:59:20.159 of getting him to talk to Dallas Mavericks into allowing this, 1189 00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.159 you know, interview to happen and you know, grant permission 1190 00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:28.320 and all this stuff. So like that's like maybe ninety 1191 00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:32.039 percent ridiculous rather than one hundred percent the Chris since 1192 00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:35.960 email your Doka thing. Are you kidding me? Yeah, that's 1193 00:59:36.159 --> 00:59:37.119 that's absurd. 1194 00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:38.679 I don't know where you. 1195 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:41.599 Would get that kind of that kind of just like 1196 00:59:41.639 --> 00:59:46.119 you said, Hubris, I mean, it's it's ridiculous. Like I'm wondering, 1197 00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:49.559 are they going to go like talk to Nick Noltie 1198 00:59:49.559 --> 00:59:52.599 and Blue Chips next and ask Western University for permission? 1199 00:59:52.639 --> 00:59:55.119 Are they going to go after coach Carter like you know, 1200 00:59:55.239 --> 00:59:57.719 Sam Jackson, Like I don't like, where do they turn 1201 00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.280 to next? I don't understand. And this just leads me 1202 01:00:01.360 --> 01:00:03.519 to believe like I thought it when they fired Tibbs, 1203 01:00:03.559 --> 01:00:06.440 and I believe that this entire time, I never thought 1204 01:00:06.480 --> 01:00:08.559 they had a plan for replacement. I think they just decided, 1205 01:00:08.599 --> 01:00:09.719 we don't like this guy anymore. 1206 01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:10.320 Yep. 1207 01:00:10.519 --> 01:00:13.320 And that's what happens when the guy who owns the 1208 01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:15.079 team owns the team. All Right, I know you got 1209 01:00:15.079 --> 01:00:17.079 to go, so you be as quick as you can. 1210 01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:20.320 Where's you got? Where's your gut? 1211 01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:20.719 Right now? 1212 01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.599 With the finals? Do you think the patri excuse me. 1213 01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:24.440 Do you think the Pacers have a puncher's chance ors 1214 01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.880 it feel like it's more or less just going out 1215 01:00:26.920 --> 01:00:27.519 Casey's way. 1216 01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.000 No, I do think the Pacers have a real chance 1217 01:00:30.000 --> 01:00:31.360 of this. I think I don't think they have just 1218 01:00:31.360 --> 01:00:34.440 played perfect basketball. But it can't look like Game two, 1219 01:00:34.559 --> 01:00:37.920 Like they've got to be more forceful and aggressive in 1220 01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:40.639 getting into the paint like they were in Game one, 1221 01:00:40.800 --> 01:00:42.639 and we didn't see that in Game two, and we 1222 01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:45.840 saw them, you know, not generate the same looks with 1223 01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:48.719 the three point shooting in Game two as they did 1224 01:00:48.719 --> 01:00:51.239 in Game one. I actually think they probably win tonight 1225 01:00:51.599 --> 01:00:53.559 and then I think the Thunder runoff three straight and 1226 01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.119 close this thing out. But no, I think they like 1227 01:00:56.400 --> 01:00:58.760 I get it, I get why people dismiss this team. 1228 01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:00.679 I think they're really good though, and I think they 1229 01:01:01.320 --> 01:01:04.159 have like a twenty five percent chance to win the series, 1230 01:01:04.199 --> 01:01:06.400 which I think is pretty good and way higher than 1231 01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:08.559 most people would give them. But you can't deny what 1232 01:01:08.599 --> 01:01:10.239 the Thunder are, and you can't deny how good that 1233 01:01:10.280 --> 01:01:13.639 team is. And I think just about everybody would pick 1234 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:14.719 the Thunder for good reason. 1235 01:01:15.119 --> 01:01:17.199 All Right, buddy, we'll set you loose. Enjoy the game tonight. 1236 01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:21.760 We'll chat soon, okay, Dalla Zach Harper from The Athletic 1237 01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:25.519 also a bunch of different podcasts, en Aphobe and others. 1238 01:01:25.559 --> 01:01:27.920 Get them on Twitter at toak Hoops is where you 1239 01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:33.039 find Zach. So yeah, it'll be interesting to see what 1240 01:01:33.079 --> 01:01:35.719 the Knicks do moving forward if you're just kind of 1241 01:01:35.719 --> 01:01:39.880 getting up to the situa up to speed with the situation. Apparently, 1242 01:01:40.119 --> 01:01:44.320 the contingency plan after New York fired Tom Thibodeau was 1243 01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.440 to be able to interview whatever coach they felt like 1244 01:01:46.480 --> 01:01:49.559 they wanted an interview, so they contacted Dallas. 1245 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:51.239 Dallas said, you cannot talk to our coach. 1246 01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.920 They contacted Houston, Houston said no, and then they contacted 1247 01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.519 Minnesota and Minnesota no because Minnesota said no. Because all 1248 01:01:57.519 --> 01:02:00.400 three of those teams really like their head coach. It 1249 01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.280 is pretty wild that that's the contingency plan in place. 1250 01:02:04.039 --> 01:02:06.360 But of course the next at this point are falling 1251 01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:10.800 flat concerning the Jazz and the reports over the past 1252 01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:14.360 four or five days from reputable NBA people that they 1253 01:02:14.400 --> 01:02:17.880 are fielding calls on marketing and Kessler. Zach brings up 1254 01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:20.679 an interesting point where it could be a scenario that 1255 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:22.760 we see any of these moved one closer to the 1256 01:02:22.800 --> 01:02:23.559 trade deadline. 1257 01:02:23.559 --> 01:02:23.800 Now. 1258 01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.400 The thing about the vets on the Jazz roster now, 1259 01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:30.320 where they've been trying to move on from Sexton and 1260 01:02:30.320 --> 01:02:32.280 trying to move on from Clarkson and trying to move 1261 01:02:32.320 --> 01:02:35.960 on from Collins with no takers, I could completely see 1262 01:02:36.000 --> 01:02:38.840 any or all of them moved pretty quickly. Now, Donovan 1263 01:02:38.960 --> 01:02:41.840 wasn't traded, if I remember correctly, Donovan wasn't traded until 1264 01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:45.840 August or September. I think Rudy was first, and then Bogdanovitch. 1265 01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:48.239 I don't think it was traded into October. So some 1266 01:02:48.360 --> 01:02:53.239 of these things are a slow play, and I understand 1267 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:56.400 the scenario with the timeline maybe not fitting market In's timeline. 1268 01:02:56.800 --> 01:02:59.760 The Kessler thing is really interesting to me. He is 1269 01:02:59.800 --> 01:03:03.639 only twenty three years old. So if they really do this, 1270 01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:07.000 if these reports actually lead to trades that go down, 1271 01:03:07.079 --> 01:03:10.079 and to be very clear, it's one of the reasons 1272 01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:12.440 I rolled my eyes. And a lot of these things. Of 1273 01:03:12.519 --> 01:03:16.239 the one thousand NBA rumors that are reported, like five 1274 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.440 of them happen. So no part of me believes that 1275 01:03:19.480 --> 01:03:22.719 they're like trading Lowry tomorrow. I could be completely wrong, 1276 01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:26.000 or have they done some calculations on the ability to 1277 01:03:26.039 --> 01:03:27.719 move up in the draft, and they're going to include 1278 01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:29.840 marketing in a package to maybe try to grab the 1279 01:03:29.880 --> 01:03:30.920 second pick from the Spurs. 1280 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:31.480 I don't know. 1281 01:03:31.519 --> 01:03:34.199 There are a lot of possibilities out there, so the 1282 01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.119 marketing thing makes a little more sense based off this timeline. 1283 01:03:37.159 --> 01:03:40.599 I think when they initially traded for Lowry and he 1284 01:03:40.679 --> 01:03:43.760 had that all Star season year one, they may have 1285 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.639 done a little bit of a calculation where they felt 1286 01:03:45.639 --> 01:03:47.920 like they were closer to being good than they actually were, 1287 01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:50.719 because even year one they weren't close to being good. 1288 01:03:51.199 --> 01:03:52.639 They were very close to being average. 1289 01:03:52.639 --> 01:03:54.679 But nobody wants to be average in the NBA because 1290 01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:58.880 that's treading water, and so I think there's probably been 1291 01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:02.000 more of an acceptance of a long game play. 1292 01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.079 With Jazz Brass. 1293 01:04:04.119 --> 01:04:06.880 That's just what my gut tells me, based off of 1294 01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:12.000 maybe over inflating expectations after moving on from Rudy and 1295 01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.079 Donovan and that group and having a team that showed 1296 01:04:15.079 --> 01:04:19.119 some proficiency year one, but they've also broken down average 1297 01:04:19.159 --> 01:04:21.119 teams in the name of being bad, you know, two 1298 01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:23.000 to last three years. Last year was the first time 1299 01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:26.599 they like leaned into the whole thing. And when you 1300 01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:29.480 look at other teams that have got about their businesses 1301 01:04:29.760 --> 01:04:31.800 the same way, and we can use the Thunder as 1302 01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:35.320 an example, even though it's really unfair to draw a 1303 01:04:35.360 --> 01:04:39.199 parallel between anybody and the best roster constructor in pro basketball, 1304 01:04:39.239 --> 01:04:42.000 that's Sam Presty. But it took Sam four or five 1305 01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.360 years to get this thing where it is. But unlike 1306 01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:47.239 the Jazz, Sam didn't slow play his rebuild. He was 1307 01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:51.000 much more deliberate and intelligent with his approach as opposed 1308 01:04:51.039 --> 01:04:53.599 to what the Jazz have done. So hopefully Austin can 1309 01:04:53.639 --> 01:04:58.639 bring a little bit more sensible decision making. And you know, 1310 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:02.559 the unfortunate reality of what the tea leaves seemed to 1311 01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:06.159 indicate is that last year was probably year one of 1312 01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:09.480 a four or five year process because they blew it 1313 01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:11.480 and they slow played what they should have done from 1314 01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:14.239 the start. So as a Jazz fan, you know it 1315 01:05:14.280 --> 01:05:16.480 doesn't land well because you're probably in for another four 1316 01:05:16.519 --> 01:05:18.960 or five years of losing, hopefully not more. I mean, 1317 01:05:18.960 --> 01:05:23.880 that's the dirty little secret of several organizations throughout the 1318 01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.320 course of Pro basketball who've had ownership changes and the 1319 01:05:27.360 --> 01:05:29.199 owner wants to come in and do his thing because 1320 01:05:29.239 --> 01:05:31.840 He's a tech pro that's had success elsewhere or whatever, 1321 01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:35.800 and the front office, you know, does not have the 1322 01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:37.679 guts to stand up and say no, this is what 1323 01:05:37.719 --> 01:05:40.039 we need to do. There are teams like that that 1324 01:05:40.119 --> 01:05:42.519 have been in no man's land for like twenty years, 1325 01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:45.400 and that's the underlying fear right that this thing won't 1326 01:05:45.440 --> 01:05:49.280 get going anytime soon. Rii Wilson passing away today at 1327 01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:53.039 the age of eighty two years old. Chief songwriter, lead 1328 01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.280 singer for the Beach Boys. So some sad news earlier. 1329 01:05:55.880 --> 01:05:57.559 We got Pablo on the show today. We'll get you 1330 01:05:57.559 --> 01:05:59.960 ready for ourselves match. We're gonna do some hockey with Neil's. 1331 01:06:00.320 --> 01:06:03.320 But the US men's national team got their heads kicked 1332 01:06:03.320 --> 01:06:06.679 in last night four nil final score. A next guest 1333 01:06:06.760 --> 01:06:09.079 was on the broadcast team for TNT. Good friend of 1334 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:12.159 the program. Always great to catch up with. Brian Dunseeth 1335 01:06:12.800 --> 01:06:14.679 Wednesday afternoon. Donny, how are we doing man? 1336 01:06:15.519 --> 01:06:17.599 You caught me at the perfect time, Spence. I got 1337 01:06:17.599 --> 01:06:21.920 home from Nashville this afternoon. I'm off to Atlanta tomorrow 1338 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.079 for the start of the FIFA Club World Cup. Busy 1339 01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:28.079 summer of soccer and super looking forward to that. But yeah, 1340 01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:32.079 last night was what did the kids say? Not great? 1341 01:06:32.119 --> 01:06:32.360 Bob? 1342 01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:34.039 Yeah, what wasn't too great? 1343 01:06:34.599 --> 01:06:37.320 It definitely was not great Bob on a scale from 1344 01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.480 zero to Alexi Lawless crying about patriotism on TV after 1345 01:06:41.559 --> 01:06:42.119 last night. 1346 01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:45.079 How high is the panic meter today? 1347 01:06:46.280 --> 01:06:49.239 You know, we did a pregame segment about the panic 1348 01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:52.199 meter and I put you know, he was, are you panicked? 1349 01:06:52.199 --> 01:06:54.320 Are you not panicked? That Sarah Walsh was teeing us 1350 01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:59.079 up and we're using the USA logo as like our 1351 01:06:59.199 --> 01:07:02.840 heavy paper weight in front of our deskt He pressed 1352 01:07:02.840 --> 01:07:04.639 that button and I was kind of I put my 1353 01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:06.559 hand over it, and I was joking with Kyle Martino. 1354 01:07:06.639 --> 01:07:10.119 I had the Martino shakes because I wasn't ready to panic, 1355 01:07:10.159 --> 01:07:13.719 but I wasn't ready to say I wasn't panicking. And 1356 01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.440 that really does come down to a calendar year ago. 1357 01:07:17.320 --> 01:07:19.960 Our coverage was out in DC and we're getting ready 1358 01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:24.000 for Columbia a couple days later down in Orlando against Brazil, 1359 01:07:24.079 --> 01:07:26.679 and that was the lead into Coba Medica, and oh 1360 01:07:26.760 --> 01:07:30.239 how things have changed. Things going completely sideways against Panama, 1361 01:07:31.199 --> 01:07:33.760 it leads to being dumped out of the group stage 1362 01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:37.559 of Coba Medica. Greg Berhalter loses his job to transition 1363 01:07:37.719 --> 01:07:41.360 moment over to Marisa Bochattino. A couple of months ago, 1364 01:07:41.400 --> 01:07:44.400 we go into the Nations League Finals out in Los Angeles, 1365 01:07:44.599 --> 01:07:47.039 the fourth consecutive of the Nations League Final. We're looking 1366 01:07:47.039 --> 01:07:50.400 to lift our fourth consecutive Nations League trophy. We lose 1367 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.039 the Panama again, then we lose to Canada in the 1368 01:07:53.079 --> 01:07:55.800 third fourth place match, and then we head into a 1369 01:07:55.840 --> 01:07:59.519 Gold Cup where we always understood that at the end 1370 01:07:59.639 --> 01:08:03.360 of the domestic European campaign there were going to be 1371 01:08:03.360 --> 01:08:05.639 players that needed to take a break, whether that be 1372 01:08:05.679 --> 01:08:09.280 for injury or mental fatigue. We knew there was plenty 1373 01:08:09.280 --> 01:08:10.840 of wear and tear on the tires for a lot 1374 01:08:10.880 --> 01:08:12.199 of these guys. We also knew it was going to 1375 01:08:12.239 --> 01:08:15.440 be an opportunity for Marisa Puchkino to continue the evolution 1376 01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:18.439 of players like Jack mcgleahn, like Diego Luda from Real 1377 01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:24.359 Salt Lake, like Patrick Agimon from Charlotte. But I think 1378 01:08:24.479 --> 01:08:27.319 the conversation and the narrative took on its own set 1379 01:08:27.359 --> 01:08:33.199 of circumstances. When a player like Christian Polisic his exclusion 1380 01:08:33.600 --> 01:08:36.920 from the US men's national team, it takes on a 1381 01:08:36.960 --> 01:08:39.600 life of its own, because the story was dictated through 1382 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:44.199 US Soccer, not by Christian politic and his representatives. And 1383 01:08:44.239 --> 01:08:46.800 then it gets turned into he doesn't want to be here. 1384 01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:49.520 I'm not sure that's the case. But in the public 1385 01:08:49.560 --> 01:08:53.640 domain of argument, if we wouldn't have had the year 1386 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:57.039 that we've had, nobody would care if Christian was a 1387 01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.479 part of this Gold Cup roster or not the part 1388 01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:02.359 of this Gold Cup roster. But the reality is he 1389 01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.760 is Captain America. He is by far our best player. 1390 01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:07.720 He is as of I would assume still the captain 1391 01:09:08.319 --> 01:09:10.560 of the team. And when you have back to back 1392 01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:14.239 losses against Turkey in Switzerland, which I thought they were 1393 01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.880 actually much better than the result showed against Turkey, but 1394 01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:22.079 yet we judged teams on wins and losses and heavy rotation. 1395 01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:24.800 And I said, when I was doing the lineup for 1396 01:09:25.319 --> 01:09:28.840 the game against Switzerland the other night, Bracio Pochettino told 1397 01:09:28.960 --> 01:09:32.279 us he wanted to give players opportunities to prove that 1398 01:09:32.319 --> 01:09:34.960 they deserve to play significant minutes in the Gold Cup. 1399 01:09:35.399 --> 01:09:38.479 He made nine changes to his starting eleven and unfortunately, 1400 01:09:38.520 --> 01:09:41.199 in our first forty five minutes, a majority of those 1401 01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:46.159 nine changes I think probably proved to Mauricio Bilichatino and 1402 01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:48.840 to the world that maybe they weren't ready for an 1403 01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:51.840 opportunity to play at the full US men's national team 1404 01:09:51.920 --> 01:09:53.840 level in a way that maybe we were all predictive 1405 01:09:53.880 --> 01:09:57.600 and hopeful for. So second half was much better, but 1406 01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:00.880 still foreign no losses for no loss against the Switzerland 1407 01:10:00.920 --> 01:10:03.560 side that was coming off what was a eight games 1408 01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.520 without a win ahead of a Luxembourg win and a 1409 01:10:06.560 --> 01:10:09.479 win in Salt Lake City against Mexico. And now the 1410 01:10:09.479 --> 01:10:11.800 gloves are off and this group is taking a beating 1411 01:10:11.840 --> 01:10:16.479 ahead of what is it next Sunday's game out in 1412 01:10:16.560 --> 01:10:19.680 San Jose, Agan's try to kick off the twenty twenty 1413 01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:20.399 five Gold Cup. 1414 01:10:20.680 --> 01:10:24.319 All right, your reference Polisic who was not present, Sergenio 1415 01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:28.399 Dust wasn't either, Weston McKinney, Tyler Adams. Off the top 1416 01:10:28.439 --> 01:10:30.279 of my head, you know, those are kind of the 1417 01:10:30.359 --> 01:10:35.399 main guys that weren't available. So help me understand how 1418 01:10:35.439 --> 01:10:38.319 many players that we will see play for this team 1419 01:10:38.359 --> 01:10:40.960 in the World Cup were not present for the game 1420 01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:43.159 last night and we will not have for the Gold Cup. 1421 01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.079 Yeah, I mean, off the top of my head. Christian 1422 01:10:46.840 --> 01:10:50.359 obviously is not there. Anthony Robinson, Jedi Robinson from Fulham 1423 01:10:50.840 --> 01:10:53.560 had knee surgery, so he was getting cleaned up for 1424 01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:56.439 a problem that he had had. Serginio Dusk there's still 1425 01:10:56.520 --> 01:10:59.760 risk management with him coming back from his ACL tear. 1426 01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:04.640 Were at PSD Iron Hooven. Obviously, Gio Reina is with 1427 01:11:04.760 --> 01:11:08.319 Brucia Dortmund, Tim Waya and Wes McKinney or with Youve 1428 01:11:08.560 --> 01:11:11.800 those two teams are participating in the FIFA Club World Cups, 1429 01:11:11.840 --> 01:11:14.960 so they have priority. Uh, there's a there's a there's 1430 01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:19.439 a narrative out there and it's it's completely wrong. Mauricio 1431 01:11:19.479 --> 01:11:21.880 Putstino on his staff, wanted to give the group of 1432 01:11:21.920 --> 01:11:24.680 players the opportunity to play in all of these games. 1433 01:11:25.079 --> 01:11:27.520 And they did not want to bring in Geo or 1434 01:11:27.560 --> 01:11:30.239 Weston and Tim to this game because they knew that 1435 01:11:30.279 --> 01:11:31.840 they weren't going to be there for the Gold Cup, 1436 01:11:31.960 --> 01:11:34.119 so they thought it was probably better that they stayed 1437 01:11:34.159 --> 01:11:36.840 and focused on their opportunity. But then you kind of 1438 01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:39.359 get in the weaves when you're thinking about Joe Scale, 1439 01:11:39.439 --> 01:11:41.680 you're thinking about Ricardo Peppy, you're thinking about Joss Sargent, 1440 01:11:41.720 --> 01:11:44.039 you think about Sanna Tessaman, you think about Joe mcaoboose 1441 01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:47.199 here you think about Aiden Morris, Who else am I 1442 01:11:47.239 --> 01:11:50.239 missing in this group? That's kind of the core group 1443 01:11:50.279 --> 01:11:52.279 of guys, and then you kind of have guys that 1444 01:11:52.319 --> 01:11:54.520 are fringe guys around the world that you know, Twitter 1445 01:11:54.600 --> 01:11:57.359 takes a liking to and thinks that they should be 1446 01:11:57.439 --> 01:12:06.560 called in. So I would say, arguably you're missing seven 1447 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:11.479 to eight true starters and then probably collectively somewhere around 1448 01:12:11.640 --> 01:12:16.000 twelve realistic players that would be on a World Cup roster. 1449 01:12:16.479 --> 01:12:19.079 But again, Spence, I think you know, a year ago, 1450 01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:24.319 I think every average US soccer fan could probably name 1451 01:12:24.359 --> 01:12:26.600 a majority of the players that they would think would 1452 01:12:26.640 --> 01:12:29.560 be starting eleven players for the US going into the 1453 01:12:29.560 --> 01:12:33.439 World Cup, And I think that number is probably open 1454 01:12:33.560 --> 01:12:35.560 for debate based on what we've seen in these last 1455 01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:36.319 twelve months. 1456 01:12:36.720 --> 01:12:40.239 Okay, So, operating off that premise with the group of 1457 01:12:40.279 --> 01:12:43.079 players you just listed, is it fair to say that 1458 01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:45.319 the people that believe this guy is falling just need 1459 01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:47.960 to pump the brakes based off the fact that maybe 1460 01:12:48.479 --> 01:12:52.000 the US men's national team and Pochettino was without the 1461 01:12:52.039 --> 01:12:54.159 majority of their best players. Is it fair to say 1462 01:12:54.199 --> 01:12:57.039 that maybe there's some overreaction because based off of what 1463 01:12:57.119 --> 01:12:59.800 you just outlined the World Cup team that we'll see 1464 01:13:00.119 --> 01:13:03.760 summer was not properly represented last night. Is that fair 1465 01:13:03.800 --> 01:13:06.119 to say, oh, one hundred percent? 1466 01:13:06.199 --> 01:13:08.479 I mean everybody knew. Well, let me tell you this. 1467 01:13:08.600 --> 01:13:12.399 The Turkey team. The Turkeys team that they played out 1468 01:13:12.399 --> 01:13:15.359 in Connecticut. The only player they were missing two players, 1469 01:13:15.359 --> 01:13:17.960 one of the starting center backs which is debatable, a 1470 01:13:17.960 --> 01:13:22.680 guy named Bardaki and then Hakan Shinnanaglu who was their 1471 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:26.640 captain and played for Inter Milan in the Champions League final. 1472 01:13:26.680 --> 01:13:28.279 He had picked up a knock so he did not 1473 01:13:28.479 --> 01:13:33.000 travel to play for Turkey. A and Vincenzo Montella, so 1474 01:13:33.279 --> 01:13:40.920 they were arguably arguably missing one absolute difference maker. And 1475 01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:43.720 the rest of this was you know, teams that had 1476 01:13:43.720 --> 01:13:47.560 lost to one at the Euros semi or quarterfinal against 1477 01:13:47.600 --> 01:13:51.479 the Netherlands and were coming off a six to one 1478 01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:55.560 aggregate win against Hungary a month and a half ago. 1479 01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.399 There was some rotation in Switzerland side that up at 1480 01:13:59.560 --> 01:14:03.000 ries that goals beat Mexico four two and absolutely took 1481 01:14:03.079 --> 01:14:06.239 them apart. Smashed Mexico. No one saw that result coming, 1482 01:14:06.239 --> 01:14:08.800 but then again, no one saw them beating the United 1483 01:14:08.800 --> 01:14:13.159 States fornell as well, and that team was probably the 1484 01:14:13.199 --> 01:14:18.880 strongest possible team that Murac could put together for Switzerland. 1485 01:14:18.920 --> 01:14:23.359 So in terms of experience and full squad, both of 1486 01:14:23.399 --> 01:14:27.359 these teams these past two losses were definitely Turkey and 1487 01:14:27.399 --> 01:14:30.720 Switzerland were the much better team, much more experienced team, 1488 01:14:31.600 --> 01:14:35.600 and much more closer to full strength than this US 1489 01:14:35.640 --> 01:14:39.239 group could have ever been. But again, even though there's 1490 01:14:39.319 --> 01:14:42.960 nuance in the conversation Spence, the reality is that we 1491 01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.359 judge success and failure by wins and losses. And unfortunately, 1492 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:51.359 again when you go back to calendar year, the dry 1493 01:14:51.479 --> 01:14:54.359 run for hosting the twenty twenty six World Cup was 1494 01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:58.359 the Copa Medica and to see US and again, this 1495 01:14:58.560 --> 01:15:01.920 is football, This is sports in a moment in which 1496 01:15:02.880 --> 01:15:05.960 an individual player can make a mistake, a referee's involvement, 1497 01:15:06.720 --> 01:15:09.840 var intervention with technology, all of these things can go 1498 01:15:09.960 --> 01:15:15.199 sideways and horrifically upend any opportunity that you had to 1499 01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:18.760 try to make a run to lift a trophy. If 1500 01:15:18.760 --> 01:15:21.640 we were to say, if you were to ask me, Donny, 1501 01:15:22.319 --> 01:15:26.359 has everything gone horrifically sideways? My answer would probably be yes. 1502 01:15:27.000 --> 01:15:29.520 In its last twelve months, to the point where now 1503 01:15:29.920 --> 01:15:33.119 Mauricio Pochettino in a ten games in charge. He has 1504 01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:38.479 five wins and five losses. That wasn't projected, that wasn't expected. 1505 01:15:39.600 --> 01:15:42.680 And I think right now Mauricio Pochettino is probably looking 1506 01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:46.039 at this the full concept of what the US men's 1507 01:15:46.079 --> 01:15:49.319 national team roster looks like and has way more questions 1508 01:15:49.359 --> 01:15:52.199 than answers. And this is again, you're a Spurs guy. 1509 01:15:52.640 --> 01:15:56.720 This is his first foray into coaching international football and 1510 01:15:56.800 --> 01:15:59.239 this will be the first time. The benefit of having 1511 01:15:59.520 --> 01:16:02.239 a ross together for the better part of thirty days 1512 01:16:02.720 --> 01:16:06.239 is hugely beneficial for he and his staff, but it 1513 01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:08.319 will come at a cost because it won't be with 1514 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:09.439 his first choice froster. 1515 01:16:10.000 --> 01:16:13.319 So over the past twenty four hours or so, we've 1516 01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:17.680 heard Landon Donovan, Clint Dempsey, the aforementioned Patriot, Lexi Lawless 1517 01:16:18.159 --> 01:16:22.600 be very critical of the group that we've spoken about 1518 01:16:22.600 --> 01:16:25.079 who've elected not to be part of the Gold Cup. 1519 01:16:25.119 --> 01:16:25.279 Now. 1520 01:16:25.279 --> 01:16:29.920 It's interesting because the Gold Cup, historically speaking, has been 1521 01:16:29.960 --> 01:16:32.560 a place for players that maybe aren't part of the 1522 01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:35.039 first choice World Cup group to get some exposure. It's 1523 01:16:35.039 --> 01:16:37.920 how It's how Kyle and Nicky broke into the group 1524 01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:39.239 and they of course went on to play in the 1525 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:41.479 World Cup. Tony Beltran was on a Gold Cup team 1526 01:16:41.479 --> 01:16:44.960 as well. But is there an extra layer of criticism 1527 01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.000 that these players deserve based off the fact that the 1528 01:16:48.039 --> 01:16:50.520 World Cup in our region is only a year away? 1529 01:16:50.520 --> 01:16:52.399 Do you think they should have looked to play based 1530 01:16:52.399 --> 01:16:54.479 off the fact that the World Cup's right around the corner. 1531 01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:59.119 Well, so again there's nuance to this. So let me 1532 01:16:59.159 --> 01:17:01.600 take you back head of the twenty twenty two World 1533 01:17:01.640 --> 01:17:04.720 Cup and guitar. The United States had two international friendlies. 1534 01:17:05.279 --> 01:17:07.399 They were empty stadiums over in Europe, and I believe 1535 01:17:07.439 --> 01:17:10.479 they played Japan in Saudi Arabia and they were horrific 1536 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.079 in both of those games, to the point where you know, 1537 01:17:13.319 --> 01:17:17.199 something I said went viral and I made the mistake 1538 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:23.720 of questioning that group and their preparation, habits and ultimately 1539 01:17:24.319 --> 01:17:26.560 what they could do at the World Cup. And I 1540 01:17:26.600 --> 01:17:30.359 was dead wrong specific to performances and leadership by Christian Polissic, 1541 01:17:31.000 --> 01:17:34.000 because when that tournament started, Greg Burhalter got the squad right, 1542 01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:37.199 he got the starting eleven right, and that team was 1543 01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:41.560 incredibly impressive. And that's where the Golden generation moniker really 1544 01:17:41.600 --> 01:17:44.319 took hold. They were fantastic in the group stage, and 1545 01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.600 if they would have and nobody would have ever predicted 1546 01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:50.680 that Holland would sit back, defend and just hit in 1547 01:17:50.680 --> 01:17:53.920 the transition, score goals at the back posts. Louis van Hall, 1548 01:17:54.359 --> 01:17:56.319 we thought it was going to be style and substance, 1549 01:17:56.399 --> 01:17:59.680 identity possession, and they were just going to bury the 1550 01:17:59.720 --> 01:18:02.239 Mens States. Instead they played cat and mouse instead of 1551 01:18:02.239 --> 01:18:06.039 playing them straight up. After that World Cup, then you 1552 01:18:06.159 --> 01:18:13.439 had the obvious conversation of Giorana, Greg Burholter, Giorana's parents, 1553 01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.479 and that horrific off the field issue that led to 1554 01:18:18.920 --> 01:18:21.159 a determined amount of time that Greg Burhlter wasn't the 1555 01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:24.239 US men's national team coach. Besides that, Ernie Stewart and 1556 01:18:24.239 --> 01:18:27.640 Brian McBride both we leave leadership roles behind the scenes, 1557 01:18:28.119 --> 01:18:31.000 and US Soccer goes out and hires Matt Crocker who 1558 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.359 had come over from Southampton and experience with the England 1559 01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:39.640 national team. There's so many layers to this conversation. And 1560 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:44.159 then okay, so we're really talking about Christian. Here's the reality. 1561 01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.479 In the last two years, I've pulled the stats on 1562 01:18:46.560 --> 01:18:49.840 Christian Polistic. He's played one hundred games for Acnlon. It's 1563 01:18:49.880 --> 01:18:54.039 something like thirty six goals, twenty assists. He's played somewhere 1564 01:18:54.039 --> 01:18:57.800 around seven two hundred and fifty minutes in two seasons. 1565 01:18:58.319 --> 01:19:00.840 When you compare and contrast that to the five years 1566 01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:03.479 he played for Chelsea, it was one hundred and forty 1567 01:19:03.520 --> 01:19:07.439 six games and somewhere roughly around eight thousand minutes. So 1568 01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:10.439 in the last two years he's almost already matched the 1569 01:19:10.560 --> 01:19:14.039 five years he was at Chelsea Football Club. It's so 1570 01:19:14.720 --> 01:19:16.600 you know, you go back to those years he was injured, 1571 01:19:16.600 --> 01:19:20.479 dealing with hamstrings, groins, the stop start nature, substitute coming 1572 01:19:20.520 --> 01:19:22.560 off the bench. He's a full time starter. He's an 1573 01:19:22.560 --> 01:19:25.960 absolute number ten and in a dark season for a 1574 01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:31.279 Simulan points wise, table wise, he was absolutely one of 1575 01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:34.720 the shining stars. And it felt like monthly he was 1576 01:19:34.800 --> 01:19:36.880 up for Player of the Month in City Off Football. 1577 01:19:37.279 --> 01:19:41.039 So I can understand the idea of resting this tournament 1578 01:19:41.520 --> 01:19:44.439 to make sure he's one hundred percent focused for the 1579 01:19:44.520 --> 01:19:47.600 summer and next season. I think that's what gets lost 1580 01:19:47.640 --> 01:19:50.680 in this conversation, because if the United States doesn't fail 1581 01:19:50.680 --> 01:19:53.560 a Copamatica, and it doesn't fail in Nations League, nobody 1582 01:19:53.600 --> 01:19:57.439 gives a flying squirrel. If Christian Polistic takes off this 1583 01:19:57.520 --> 01:20:01.520 summer after two hectic, busy years and gets himself right, 1584 01:20:01.600 --> 01:20:04.399 gets himself physically right, and make sure that by the 1585 01:20:04.399 --> 01:20:08.000 time the World Cup comes he's flying. Landon there's nuance 1586 01:20:08.079 --> 01:20:10.640 to that conversation. I don't think he's wrong in some 1587 01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:13.239 of the aspects, but people are also pointing out that 1588 01:20:13.359 --> 01:20:16.000 Landon took that what it was at six to seven 1589 01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:17.920 month mental health break where he walked away from the 1590 01:20:18.000 --> 01:20:20.399 LA Galaxy in the national team. It was something that 1591 01:20:20.439 --> 01:20:24.960 Clint Dempsey referenced and ultimately at the desk the other 1592 01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:28.199 night working with DeMarcus Beasley, four time World Cup veteran, 1593 01:20:28.640 --> 01:20:31.359 I said in postgame, after knowing him for almost thirty years, 1594 01:20:31.399 --> 01:20:34.239 I've never seen him so dumbfounded and at a loss 1595 01:20:34.279 --> 01:20:38.039 for words based on what happened. So there's so many 1596 01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:41.600 different bullet points that are happening currently around this team. 1597 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:46.079 But unfortunately, because it's Chris simplistic, he's been the face 1598 01:20:46.119 --> 01:20:48.279 of US soccer for the better part of the last 1599 01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:51.399 two World Cup cycles, and we understand how important he 1600 01:20:51.479 --> 01:20:53.880 is on the field. The fact that he's not here 1601 01:20:54.199 --> 01:20:56.199 and the fact that he and his camp haven't taken 1602 01:20:56.279 --> 01:20:58.760 control of the narrative. I think that's why there's such 1603 01:20:58.760 --> 01:21:02.239 a significant uproarn frustration about the situation, all. 1604 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:03.479 Right, concerning Pochettino. 1605 01:21:04.279 --> 01:21:08.119 Two part question here, is it time to maybe look 1606 01:21:08.159 --> 01:21:10.680 at the Greg Burholter stuff a little differently as well? 1607 01:21:10.720 --> 01:21:14.800 Because I've always believed and look, it doesn't matter the sport. 1608 01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:16.920 I mean, the Knicks just fired Tom Thibodeaux after the 1609 01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:19.760 Eastern Conference finals. Coaches are the ones that typically fall 1610 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:23.399 on the sword because players aren't a contract, and players 1611 01:21:23.439 --> 01:21:26.279 are the ones that essentially run the thing, because there's 1612 01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:28.439 no such thing as a great coach without great players. 1613 01:21:28.479 --> 01:21:31.119 And so it does feel like the US Mets national 1614 01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:36.079 team has punted on Bob Bradley, Jurgen Klinsman, Greg Burholter. 1615 01:21:36.600 --> 01:21:40.079 So I'm wondering what's fair to say about Potchettino based 1616 01:21:40.119 --> 01:21:42.640 off the results for straight l's five and five and ten, 1617 01:21:42.680 --> 01:21:43.640 and whether or not we need to. 1618 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:45.119 Look at what Greg did a little differently. 1619 01:21:45.159 --> 01:21:50.760 Now you know, I played, I played with Greg Burholter 1620 01:21:52.199 --> 01:21:54.680 at the US and national team level. I had worked 1621 01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:57.479 with Greg Burholter, and I'd seen and covered him for 1622 01:21:57.520 --> 01:22:01.520 a long long time. And I've said this multiple times publicly. 1623 01:22:03.000 --> 01:22:05.600 There is a moment and it's not the place blame 1624 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:07.960 on Tim Way in any way, shape or form, but 1625 01:22:08.199 --> 01:22:10.560 because there's a lot of moments in that game against 1626 01:22:10.560 --> 01:22:14.560 Panama Coba Medica. They beat Olivia to know, they go 1627 01:22:14.600 --> 01:22:18.359 into the Panama game, they score at Weston McKinney goal, aheader, 1628 01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:21.279 he's judged to be offside. A few minutes later, a 1629 01:22:21.319 --> 01:22:27.079 Panamanian player absolutely demolishes Matt Turner. Not a yellow card, 1630 01:22:27.720 --> 01:22:30.079 no foul called. Matt Turner is forced to leave the 1631 01:22:30.119 --> 01:22:34.239 game at halftime. That's how heavy the collision was. And 1632 01:22:34.359 --> 01:22:38.159 in that moment, Tim Weya, you know, off the ball, 1633 01:22:39.279 --> 01:22:41.960 you know, pops a chicken wing and next thing you know, 1634 01:22:42.119 --> 01:22:45.479 he's been shown straight red. So there was a lot 1635 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:48.640 of When everyone talks about what Greg Borurholter did, writer 1636 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:52.479 Greg Burhlter did wrong, the reality is that that moment, 1637 01:22:52.600 --> 01:22:55.720 that red card shown to Tim Weya is the perfect 1638 01:22:55.760 --> 01:23:00.760 example of a split second decision where the tied turns 1639 01:23:00.760 --> 01:23:04.479 and everything goes sideways. Just a quick reminder, Greg was 1640 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.079 neither a better coach or a worse coach based on 1641 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:11.039 that singular moment. But US Soccer decided to go in 1642 01:23:11.039 --> 01:23:13.600 a different direction because it was deemed a failure and 1643 01:23:13.680 --> 01:23:16.000 going out in the groups age of a Coba Medica, 1644 01:23:16.520 --> 01:23:19.439 with all of the momentum and the hype and the opportunity, 1645 01:23:20.119 --> 01:23:23.479 was probably the right decision the way that Matt Crocker 1646 01:23:23.520 --> 01:23:27.560 and company looked at it. But now with Marisa Pochettino, 1647 01:23:28.199 --> 01:23:30.760 I don't think you put the panic button on Marisa 1648 01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.760 Putchettino in his staff, because I can promise you they 1649 01:23:33.880 --> 01:23:38.000 care more than people. I mean, from an egotistical standpoint, 1650 01:23:38.079 --> 01:23:39.479 do you think they want to come to the United 1651 01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:42.880 States and fail after getting fired at Chelsea Football Club 1652 01:23:43.119 --> 01:23:43.640 a couple. 1653 01:23:43.479 --> 01:23:44.079 Of months ago. 1654 01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:49.439 No, that's certainly not the case. So big picture, I 1655 01:23:49.479 --> 01:23:52.800 think that right now they've got to figure out what's 1656 01:23:52.840 --> 01:23:55.439 the right steps going forward to make sure they can 1657 01:23:55.479 --> 01:23:58.000 get this back on track. Because the reality is, you 1658 01:23:58.119 --> 01:24:01.159 got a calendar year tell the start of the World Cup, 1659 01:24:01.720 --> 01:24:04.399 and I think all of us former players, all of 1660 01:24:04.439 --> 01:24:06.880 US pundits, all of US media members, and most importantly 1661 01:24:06.920 --> 01:24:09.680 all of US fans don't have a lot of faith 1662 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:12.640 for what this group is capable of doing in a 1663 01:24:12.680 --> 01:24:15.760 World Cup. It's not just a generational World Cup, but 1664 01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:19.439 this is a World Cup with an opportunity to create legends, 1665 01:24:19.680 --> 01:24:23.039 and what a wasted missed opportunity for the general public 1666 01:24:23.359 --> 01:24:26.359 to not be able to get behind, you know, our 1667 01:24:26.439 --> 01:24:28.520 US men's national team in a similar manner that we 1668 01:24:28.560 --> 01:24:30.600 see every four years with the Olympics. 1669 01:24:31.079 --> 01:24:33.680 Let me ask you about Diego, who actually thought came 1670 01:24:33.680 --> 01:24:35.920 into the second half and showed, well, now they were 1671 01:24:35.920 --> 01:24:40.800 getting smoked, so it was too late. But Poachattino has 1672 01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:42.920 said in the past that he likes him. Does Diego 1673 01:24:42.960 --> 01:24:45.960 have a shot to make the World Cup roster not 1674 01:24:46.039 --> 01:24:47.000 just the Gold Cup roster? 1675 01:24:48.159 --> 01:24:52.640 Diego Luna, In my humble opinion, I predicted this. I 1676 01:24:52.720 --> 01:24:56.319 think he's going to be I think he's going to 1677 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:57.439 be a starter at the World Cup. 1678 01:24:57.720 --> 01:24:58.520 Oh wow, nice? 1679 01:24:59.319 --> 01:25:02.199 Yeah, I don't, I don't. I know, Marisa Putsatino and 1680 01:25:02.239 --> 01:25:05.920 his staff absolutely adore him, and we all saw the 1681 01:25:05.920 --> 01:25:08.640 images when he got his nose broken and he had 1682 01:25:08.640 --> 01:25:12.159 to fight through and his grit and determination. I said 1683 01:25:12.159 --> 01:25:15.800 this during the pregame show when obviously, you know, when 1684 01:25:15.960 --> 01:25:18.640 when our group covers not only the US men's national 1685 01:25:18.680 --> 01:25:22.279 team because of you know, my my affinity and respect 1686 01:25:22.359 --> 01:25:25.279 for what Diego's done, but also on the women's side 1687 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:29.760 with Ali sitin Or which they absolutely adore Ali because 1688 01:25:29.800 --> 01:25:32.720 she's been incredible and she's such an incredible human being. 1689 01:25:33.840 --> 01:25:37.039 But in the pregame show, I was explaining once again 1690 01:25:37.319 --> 01:25:40.840 just to remind people that Diego Luna has always bet 1691 01:25:40.880 --> 01:25:45.319 on it himself. He's a guy that came from a 1692 01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.239 world in northern California in which decisions were made and 1693 01:25:49.319 --> 01:25:53.399 he wasn't. He left, He went to Texas, played for 1694 01:25:58.880 --> 01:26:02.319 pulled the trigger to bring him to Salt Lake. He 1695 01:26:02.399 --> 01:26:05.840 worked on his fitness, he worked on his psychology, the 1696 01:26:06.319 --> 01:26:08.640 mental side of the game, the physical side of the game. 1697 01:26:08.720 --> 01:26:12.800 He changed his body profile, and he, without a shadow 1698 01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.840 of a doubt, dealt with despair of missing out on 1699 01:26:16.880 --> 01:26:21.079 the Olympics and turned it into I'm an MLS All Star, 1700 01:26:21.199 --> 01:26:23.279 I'm an MLS Young Player of the Year, and I'm 1701 01:26:23.279 --> 01:26:26.680 going to take this opportunity with both hands. And I 1702 01:26:26.720 --> 01:26:30.479 can promise you that if Marine Kiopo Chattino had twenty 1703 01:26:30.520 --> 01:26:33.800 six Diego Lunas heading into the World Cup, I think 1704 01:26:33.840 --> 01:26:36.760 we would all feel much more comfortable about our chances 1705 01:26:37.079 --> 01:26:40.399 of not only having a decent World Cup, but potentially 1706 01:26:40.439 --> 01:26:43.119 having a great World Cup. Because that's the type of 1707 01:26:43.159 --> 01:26:46.560 body language, that's the type of leadership, that's the type 1708 01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:50.439 of technical ability and skill and that raw emotion that 1709 01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.560 we all wish we see from every single player, the 1710 01:26:53.600 --> 01:26:56.279 moment that they pulled that jersey over their chest and 1711 01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:58.439 they see the cress loud and proud. 1712 01:26:58.199 --> 01:27:01.079 Over their heart before we say you lose. So let's 1713 01:27:01.079 --> 01:27:05.000 get a little RSL in DC in town on Saturday. 1714 01:27:05.039 --> 01:27:07.960 Only two matches in June, and it is getting late 1715 01:27:08.159 --> 01:27:11.520 early for this club. Sitting on fifteen points, four ten 1716 01:27:11.520 --> 01:27:15.880 and three madestein gold differential and without Diego for a minute, 1717 01:27:16.640 --> 01:27:18.920 it's going to be rough. I wonder if Ali can 1718 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:21.119 play for RSL. She's the best striker in the state, 1719 01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:23.880 and it's not close. We got the Somber transfer Wento 1720 01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:25.640 coming up, and then after that, I think there are 1721 01:27:25.680 --> 01:27:29.199 thirteen total matches combined league play in League's Cup play. 1722 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.520 So your thoughts on where we stand with RSL and 1723 01:27:32.560 --> 01:27:34.920 does it feel like this season might be too late 1724 01:27:34.960 --> 01:27:35.960 to salvage already? 1725 01:27:37.600 --> 01:27:40.760 Unfortunately, it does feel like that because this group continues 1726 01:27:40.800 --> 01:27:43.640 to figure out ways to creatively lose to some of 1727 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:45.720 the worst teams in Major League Soccer. And that's my 1728 01:27:45.800 --> 01:27:49.199 concern against DC United. You know, when you lose against 1729 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:51.520 Toronto FC at home, when you lose against an LA 1730 01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:55.399 Galaxy team that hasn't lost in sixteen games, it doesn't 1731 01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:58.439 give you much hope. And I understand the complexity and 1732 01:27:58.479 --> 01:28:03.399 the nuance to an ownership switch, you know, from Blitzer 1733 01:28:03.399 --> 01:28:08.079 and Smith to the Millers and Blitzer, but this team 1734 01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:12.159 was financially woefully prepped for what this season was going 1735 01:28:12.239 --> 01:28:14.600 to be. You know, you go back. I had this 1736 01:28:14.680 --> 01:28:18.079 to learn on my phone a week ago, and it 1737 01:28:18.279 --> 01:28:23.000 was a year ago. It was like fourteen games without 1738 01:28:23.000 --> 01:28:27.439 a loss, and you think about Anderson Julio, you think 1739 01:28:27.479 --> 01:28:30.600 about Andres Gomez, you think about Cucurito, you think about 1740 01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:34.600 Matt Crooks, all these guys, and they're all gone. And 1741 01:28:34.640 --> 01:28:38.399 then you transition and Diego is the loan standout in 1742 01:28:38.439 --> 01:28:41.800 this group this season, and you're waiting for somebody else 1743 01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:45.640 to alleviate the pain and frustration of what's happening, and 1744 01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:49.399 it just isn't there, and so it's starting to feel 1745 01:28:49.399 --> 01:28:53.279 like lost season. You know, take off my affinity for 1746 01:28:53.359 --> 01:28:56.479 Real Salt Lake and the success because I always kind 1747 01:28:56.479 --> 01:28:58.800 of say they're anywhere between a third place team and 1748 01:28:59.239 --> 01:29:02.520 a tenth place team, dependent upon the nuclear arms race 1749 01:29:02.560 --> 01:29:07.640 of spending in Major League Soccer, but I'm hoping that 1750 01:29:08.760 --> 01:29:12.600 very swiftly this team has the financial wherewithal to be 1751 01:29:12.600 --> 01:29:16.119 able to go out and find some difference makers and 1752 01:29:16.479 --> 01:29:19.319 do it in a timely manner. That's similar to what 1753 01:29:19.399 --> 01:29:22.680 we saw when Chico Lroongo showed up and already had 1754 01:29:22.720 --> 01:29:25.960 six weeks underneath his belt of being in market training 1755 01:29:25.960 --> 01:29:29.479 with the team and being incredibly prepared for the opportunity 1756 01:29:29.479 --> 01:29:32.520 to step on the field and be the immediate difference maker. 1757 01:29:33.800 --> 01:29:37.319 This team needs help, but as I say that, Pablo 1758 01:29:37.399 --> 01:29:40.800 and Pablo needs help. But as I say that, there's 1759 01:29:40.840 --> 01:29:43.520 a very capable group of players inside of that locker 1760 01:29:43.600 --> 01:29:46.800 room and they got to figure this out, because if 1761 01:29:46.800 --> 01:29:50.800 they don't, I hope there's someone inside of that locker 1762 01:29:50.880 --> 01:29:55.279 room that has the stones or kahonas to say, hey, 1763 01:29:55.319 --> 01:29:57.760 by the way, if we don't turn this around, there's 1764 01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:00.279 gonna be guys without jobs. You can you have to 1765 01:30:00.319 --> 01:30:02.960 sell your homes. You're gonna have to know, bust tail 1766 01:30:03.039 --> 01:30:05.960 and get out of town because this hasn't been good enough, 1767 01:30:07.079 --> 01:30:10.439 and once again RSL can't. There was so much hype 1768 01:30:10.479 --> 01:30:13.279 and so much momentum spence everywhere I went last year. 1769 01:30:14.119 --> 01:30:17.760 Everybody was asking me about RSL, Dude, what's going on? 1770 01:30:18.239 --> 01:30:20.640 How are they so strong? How are they so consistent? 1771 01:30:20.720 --> 01:30:23.640 Pablo has been incredible, and this year it's the opposite. 1772 01:30:23.720 --> 01:30:26.439 It's what in the world is happening out there? And 1773 01:30:26.479 --> 01:30:29.600 I don't think there's there's one hundred percent correct avenue 1774 01:30:30.000 --> 01:30:34.119 to try to explain what's happened this year without placing 1775 01:30:34.159 --> 01:30:37.119 blame on the players first and foremost, because these are 1776 01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:40.760 professional players making a boatload of money, and quite frankly, 1777 01:30:40.760 --> 01:30:43.079 outside of Diegaluna, they're just not showing up. 1778 01:30:43.560 --> 01:30:45.880 Donnie and my friend, I appreciate the time, excellent work 1779 01:30:45.920 --> 01:30:47.960 on the broadcast. I know you got a busy summer, 1780 01:30:48.000 --> 01:30:50.000 so hopefully you can chat with you soon. But until then, 1781 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:51.079 safe travels my friend. 1782 01:30:51.079 --> 01:30:53.880 Okay, anytime you Me and my man have a good. 1783 01:30:53.720 --> 01:30:54.159 One, all right. 1784 01:30:54.159 --> 01:30:57.880 Brian Dunzeth RSL original MLS VET ten years played for 1785 01:30:57.880 --> 01:31:01.840 the US men's national team. As they got stomped last night. 1786 01:31:01.960 --> 01:31:05.359 It was embarrassing. Gold Cup coming up on Sunday. Hopefully 1787 01:31:05.399 --> 01:31:07.960 they can figure something out between now and then. 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So 1799 01:31:35.960 --> 01:31:39.159 get your tour and tasting booked at outloudistillery dot com today. 1800 01:31:39.560 --> 01:31:41.000 Appreciate them being on board. 1801 01:31:41.199 --> 01:31:43.439 Wait did you tell me that the Knicks just asked 1802 01:31:43.439 --> 01:31:45.960 the Hawks for permission to speak with Quinn Snyder and 1803 01:31:45.960 --> 01:31:47.000 Atlanta said. 1804 01:31:46.800 --> 01:31:49.359 No, Yeah, that's one you can add to the list. 1805 01:31:49.600 --> 01:31:51.640 Oh my gosh. 1806 01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:54.640 So the New York Knicks, who fired a great coach 1807 01:31:54.800 --> 01:31:57.880 after going to the Eastern Conference finals, decided their reaction 1808 01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:02.239 to being relevant again was to act with the hubris 1809 01:32:02.239 --> 01:32:04.680 of believing teams who like their coach would give you 1810 01:32:04.720 --> 01:32:07.159 permission to talk to their coach. And at this point, 1811 01:32:07.600 --> 01:32:10.000 with new news coming down the Knicks have been denied 1812 01:32:10.000 --> 01:32:14.920 by Minnesota, Chris Finch, Houston, Emy Udoka, Dallas, Jason Kidd 1813 01:32:14.920 --> 01:32:16.640 and now Atlanta and Quinn Snyder. 1814 01:32:16.640 --> 01:32:18.319 I wonder if they're going to contact the Jazz about 1815 01:32:18.319 --> 01:32:18.840 Will Hardy. 1816 01:32:18.960 --> 01:32:19.279 Why not? 1817 01:32:20.439 --> 01:32:25.520 Goodness gracious, all right, Bruce phil Jackson. Indeed seriously. Brian 1818 01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:27.840 Wilson passes away today at the age of eighty two. 1819 01:32:28.119 --> 01:32:30.800 My first concert was the Beach Boys at the Paradount 1820 01:32:30.840 --> 01:32:36.039 Theater at Madison Square Garden. Our next guest, Neil Smith. Neil, question, 1821 01:32:36.159 --> 01:32:37.760 right out the top, first concert you. 1822 01:32:37.720 --> 01:32:38.239 Ever went to? 1823 01:32:38.279 --> 01:32:42.199 And where, Oh my gosh, you're not going to believe this, 1824 01:32:42.039 --> 01:32:45.680 and this is really going to make me sound old 1825 01:32:46.039 --> 01:32:48.920 when I'm really not that old. I went in nineteen 1826 01:32:49.159 --> 01:32:53.920 sixty four to see the Beatles maple Leaff Curdins. 1827 01:32:54.159 --> 01:32:57.680 Wow, well that's an excellent first concert to attend, I'll 1828 01:32:57.680 --> 01:32:58.399 tell you that much. 1829 01:32:59.079 --> 01:33:01.439 Yeah, when you're just a little kid, you really don't 1830 01:33:01.520 --> 01:33:03.439 understand what's going on. I said, you see all these 1831 01:33:03.439 --> 01:33:06.680 girls fainting and being carried out on stretchers and all 1832 01:33:06.680 --> 01:33:08.479 that you heard about those days with the Beatles. It 1833 01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:11.840 was insane. And of course these sound systems weren't that 1834 01:33:11.880 --> 01:33:15.000 great back then, And all you can hear was just screaming, 1835 01:33:15.239 --> 01:33:17.760 like they just screamed from the start of the concert 1836 01:33:18.359 --> 01:33:21.840 of whatever they called it performance, you know, the whole 1837 01:33:21.840 --> 01:33:25.119 way through. That's what I remember. It's I don't know 1838 01:33:25.119 --> 01:33:28.720 how old I was. I was. I wasn't even born yet. 1839 01:33:28.720 --> 01:33:30.159 I was an embryo and I went to it. 1840 01:33:30.279 --> 01:33:30.640 That's it. 1841 01:33:31.399 --> 01:33:33.439 Did you did you ever go through a Beach Boys 1842 01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:34.000 phase at all? 1843 01:33:35.239 --> 01:33:35.359 No? 1844 01:33:35.439 --> 01:33:36.159 I didn't know. 1845 01:33:36.439 --> 01:33:39.640 I did not. You know. The only one to me 1846 01:33:39.760 --> 01:33:42.920 that I when I was young that really knocked me 1847 01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:46.560 all over was the Beatles because they were something that 1848 01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:51.000 I've still never seen to this day, a phenomena like 1849 01:33:51.079 --> 01:33:55.359 that where everybody was talking about this band because of 1850 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:57.560 the you know, when they hit the Ed Sullivan Show 1851 01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.600 and all that stuff. It just went crazy. 1852 01:34:00.479 --> 01:34:03.039 Yeah, that's that's amazing. You had that experience. I'm kind 1853 01:34:03.039 --> 01:34:05.079 of jealous. I'm not gonna lie, all right, Neil. Since 1854 01:34:05.119 --> 01:34:09.159 you and I last spoke on Monday evening, the Panthers 1855 01:34:09.199 --> 01:34:12.479 made quite a statement stomping the Oilers six to one. 1856 01:34:13.720 --> 01:34:15.720 So my question is, I know you've been on Florida 1857 01:34:15.800 --> 01:34:17.640 quite a bit, but if you're Edmonton where you at 1858 01:34:17.760 --> 01:34:21.600 right now after really getting you're a head handed to 1859 01:34:21.600 --> 01:34:22.319 you in Game three. 1860 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:26.319 You know, at first I want to say that it's 1861 01:34:26.359 --> 01:34:30.000 not it's not odd that a there's blowouts in the 1862 01:34:30.159 --> 01:34:33.520 In the final last year, Edmonton d Florida eight to 1863 01:34:33.600 --> 01:34:37.239 one in the game and it ended up to Florida 1864 01:34:37.279 --> 01:34:39.319 won the Cup as we know, two to one in 1865 01:34:39.359 --> 01:34:44.279 Game seven. So I don't expect Edmonton to that shellacking 1866 01:34:44.319 --> 01:34:46.960 the other night is going to be something that we're 1867 01:34:47.000 --> 01:34:49.720 going to see going forward. I do think Edmonton's going 1868 01:34:49.800 --> 01:34:51.479 to have to make a lot of adjustments, and the 1869 01:34:51.520 --> 01:34:54.159 first one that that's obvious to anybody is they've got 1870 01:34:54.159 --> 01:34:58.359 to steep disciplined because Florida loves to play a game 1871 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:02.439 where they can pull you into taking penalties and pull 1872 01:35:02.520 --> 01:35:05.239 you into the nonsense, and they've got a lot of 1873 01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:10.119 those guys. Sam Bennett, Matt Kachuck and Brad Marshawn. Those 1874 01:35:10.159 --> 01:35:13.319 guys are I'd love to just irritate you and get 1875 01:35:13.359 --> 01:35:17.680 you to get outside your game. So certainly Evander Kaine 1876 01:35:17.800 --> 01:35:21.880 for the Oilers, who took three penalties I think in 1877 01:35:21.920 --> 01:35:24.760 the first period, is going to have to be a 1878 01:35:24.840 --> 01:35:30.199 lot more disciplined as is Corey Perry and Jake Woalman, 1879 01:35:30.279 --> 01:35:33.279 who got a ten thousand dollars fine from the league 1880 01:35:33.279 --> 01:35:36.920 for a five thousand dollars incident and another five thousand 1881 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:39.279 dollars incident both in that game the other night. 1882 01:35:39.920 --> 01:35:42.520 Do you think Edmonton is falling victim? You know, it's 1883 01:35:42.520 --> 01:35:46.399 interesting because Edmonton is just more of this like skill speed, 1884 01:35:46.520 --> 01:35:50.119 kind of like elegant hockey team, and Florida feels like 1885 01:35:50.159 --> 01:35:52.199 they're full of the high school bullies you always hated 1886 01:35:52.239 --> 01:35:54.279 when you were a kid. Do you feel like Edmonton 1887 01:35:54.359 --> 01:35:57.479 is falling victim to maybe Florida's gamesmanship a little bit 1888 01:35:57.520 --> 01:35:59.039 as part of that what happened in Game three. 1889 01:36:00.000 --> 01:36:02.279 I think that's what happened in Game three for sure. 1890 01:36:02.479 --> 01:36:04.439 I think the other thing is is that they didn't 1891 01:36:05.439 --> 01:36:10.119 they you know, they took penalties early and then got behind. 1892 01:36:10.319 --> 01:36:14.840 And I don't think Skinner is as good as Bobrowski, 1893 01:36:14.880 --> 01:36:17.000 but I don't think it was Skinner's fault. They lifted 1894 01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:18.720 him when I got to five to one, and then 1895 01:36:18.800 --> 01:36:22.000 Kelvin Pickard came in and they got one goal on 1896 01:36:22.119 --> 01:36:24.680 him and that was it at the game ended six' to. 1897 01:36:24.680 --> 01:36:28.079 ONE i think That Chris, knoblock the head coach Of 1898 01:36:28.199 --> 01:36:31.000 edmonton's going to have a big decision on his hands 1899 01:36:31.319 --> 01:36:33.920 or has already probably already made, it but you, know 1900 01:36:34.199 --> 01:36:37.119 or to make whether to go With pickard now that 1901 01:36:38.439 --> 01:36:42.439 they put five Past Stuart, skinner or to stay with 1902 01:36:42.479 --> 01:36:45.920 your number one, guy which Is Stuart skinner and think 1903 01:36:45.960 --> 01:36:48.439 that he can you, know lead them out of. This 1904 01:36:49.720 --> 01:36:52.000 and that's going to be very interesting to see. That 1905 01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:55.399 But edmonton doesn't doesn't want to play the kind of 1906 01:36:55.399 --> 01:36:57.479 game they played the other night that they need to 1907 01:36:57.520 --> 01:37:01.680 play five on. Five they need to keep Those newton 1908 01:37:01.760 --> 01:37:05.720 hopkins'es and Dry sidles and. McDavid of, course they need 1909 01:37:05.760 --> 01:37:07.640 to have them going out all the time and not 1910 01:37:08.279 --> 01:37:11.399 killing penalties and only being out on power. Play so 1911 01:37:11.479 --> 01:37:14.720 they felt prey to for his. 1912 01:37:14.880 --> 01:37:18.479 Game Sam bennett is now The vegas favorite to win 1913 01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:22.079 the Con Smile. Award you, know we talked about the 1914 01:37:22.079 --> 01:37:25.560 potential as The Utah mammoth into the offseason with a 1915 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:29.279 lot of money to spend in cap space of maybe 1916 01:37:29.319 --> 01:37:32.319 them taking a look At Sam Bennett's is he playing 1917 01:37:32.359 --> 01:37:35.840 his way into a different economic stratosphere at this? POINT 1918 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:37.359 i think he. 1919 01:37:37.439 --> 01:37:41.079 Is he scored thirteen, GOALS i believe it is in 1920 01:37:41.079 --> 01:37:43.520 the playoffs twelve on the, road which sets a new 1921 01:37:43.560 --> 01:37:48.840 record for goals being scored in the. Playoffs he's not 1922 01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:52.239 a great point getter goal scorer during the regular, season 1923 01:37:52.279 --> 01:37:56.279 but when playoffs, come he's always right. There SO i 1924 01:37:56.319 --> 01:37:59.640 would think that the teams that will pay the most 1925 01:37:59.680 --> 01:38:03.640 money For Sam bennett other than The Florida, panthers are 1926 01:38:03.680 --> 01:38:06.319 the teams that feel that this could really put them 1927 01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:11.359 over the. Edge for, Example Colorado avalanche or you, know 1928 01:38:11.399 --> 01:38:14.319 a team like, that maybe The La, kings maybe that 1929 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:16.520 gives them an edge to be able to Beat edmonton 1930 01:38:16.600 --> 01:38:22.119 for the first time in a. Decade BUT i you know, 1931 01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:24.560 WHAT i think he's going to end up back with 1932 01:38:24.600 --> 01:38:27.840 The panthers. AGAIN i think that's where he'll sign and 1933 01:38:27.840 --> 01:38:31.600 he'll take a hometown discount to fit into their salary. 1934 01:38:31.640 --> 01:38:36.359 Cap it feels, like and your point is well taken 1935 01:38:36.520 --> 01:38:39.000 based off of the blowout that occurred last, year and 1936 01:38:39.079 --> 01:38:42.600 oftentimes blowouts do, happen and last year was a wild 1937 01:38:42.720 --> 01:38:45.520 ride where you, Know florida wins, Three edmonton wins, Three 1938 01:38:45.560 --> 01:38:49.039 florida Wins game. Seven it does feel like there's a 1939 01:38:49.119 --> 01:38:52.439 gap though that has emerged Between edmonton And. Florida is 1940 01:38:52.439 --> 01:38:54.159 that fair and if, so how big do you think 1941 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:54.680 that gap? 1942 01:38:54.800 --> 01:39:02.079 Is, WELL i think that That florida could be up 1943 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:06.840 three games to. None right, now they are up two to. 1944 01:39:06.880 --> 01:39:10.520 One they lost the first game in overtime when they 1945 01:39:10.600 --> 01:39:14.000 had a, lead and for the first time in thirty 1946 01:39:14.039 --> 01:39:18.720 two times they went into an intermission with a lead 1947 01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:23.079 and then didn't win the. Game that's their playoff record 1948 01:39:23.159 --> 01:39:26.439 With Paul, maurice as they had gone thirty two straight 1949 01:39:27.199 --> 01:39:35.279 games winning win leading after either. Period SO i think 1950 01:39:35.359 --> 01:39:40.359 That florida has found a gap between them And. EDMONTON 1951 01:39:40.680 --> 01:39:45.439 i think That florida Adding Seth jones And brad marshat 1952 01:39:45.439 --> 01:39:48.600 at the deadline or close to the deadline has really 1953 01:39:48.640 --> 01:39:52.159 bolstered that. TEAM i didn't see that. COMING i, MEAN 1954 01:39:52.199 --> 01:39:55.000 i Think Seth jones is a number one, defenseman but 1955 01:39:55.079 --> 01:39:58.640 when you put him an latt both out, there they've 1956 01:39:58.680 --> 01:40:01.840 got excellent puck moving. Guys and then you've and then 1957 01:40:01.920 --> 01:40:04.479 the rest of them are good too on. Defense but 1958 01:40:04.520 --> 01:40:07.199 then you've got Marsha on who goes in and sits 1959 01:40:07.279 --> 01:40:09.920 right in with the Way florida wants to. Play and 1960 01:40:10.039 --> 01:40:13.359 you know On boston he was always the one guy 1961 01:40:13.399 --> 01:40:15.840 out there that was irritating. Everybody and he's sort of 1962 01:40:15.880 --> 01:40:19.880 like a little you, know, firefly going around bugging everybody 1963 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:22.560 all the. Time well on this, team he's not the only. One, 1964 01:40:22.760 --> 01:40:25.520 like there's three or four of them that are coming 1965 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:28.359 after you're biting at your heels all the. Time SO 1966 01:40:29.920 --> 01:40:31.840 i do think that they found a little bit of 1967 01:40:31.840 --> 01:40:33.319 a chink in the oiler's. 1968 01:40:33.439 --> 01:40:37.119 Armor are they getting enough from Dry sidle and. McDavid i, 1969 01:40:37.119 --> 01:40:39.560 mean most people believe to start the, season you, know 1970 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:41.800 to start the, series it was really those two that 1971 01:40:41.840 --> 01:40:44.359 would drive the. Engine AND i THINK i heard a 1972 01:40:44.359 --> 01:40:46.279 lot of people say those two might be the best 1973 01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:48.840 two players when you combine both. ROSTERS i don't know 1974 01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:51.439 if that's. True but Is edmonton getting enough from their two? 1975 01:40:51.479 --> 01:40:57.079 Superstars well they certainly did In game, one when you, 1976 01:40:57.079 --> 01:41:00.079 know Dry cidle had two goals in that game and 1977 01:41:00.079 --> 01:41:03.760 and McDavid had to, assist and he made that outrageous 1978 01:41:03.840 --> 01:41:07.239 play where he deaked Bark, off one of the best 1979 01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:10.439 defensive forward in the, league and then deeked out Eck 1980 01:41:10.560 --> 01:41:13.119 lad and then fed it over to Dry citle for 1981 01:41:13.159 --> 01:41:16.600 a magnificent. Goal so, YEAH i do think they're getting 1982 01:41:16.680 --> 01:41:19.920 enough out of. THEM i think that the problem is 1983 01:41:19.920 --> 01:41:24.439 is that they're not playing The oilers. Game they're falling 1984 01:41:24.479 --> 01:41:30.239 into The panthers, game and then they can't do that 1985 01:41:30.399 --> 01:41:35.000 because you can't use those gifts that Dry cycle and McDavid. 1986 01:41:35.039 --> 01:41:39.000 Have if you're constantly trying to kill penalties and worried about, 1987 01:41:39.039 --> 01:41:43.399 physicality you've got to you've got to stay composed and 1988 01:41:44.039 --> 01:41:47.119 play the oiler type, game which is a speed game 1989 01:41:47.760 --> 01:41:50.800 and not a jump it in and bang around. 1990 01:41:50.800 --> 01:41:54.079 Game as far as the coaching matchup, GOES i was 1991 01:41:54.119 --> 01:41:57.920 listening to A Mark messier interview and he was really 1992 01:41:57.960 --> 01:42:00.000 a plotting in the job That Paul maurice has. Done 1993 01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:01.800 and does this feel like this has been a coaching 1994 01:42:01.880 --> 01:42:04.279 mismatch so? Far your thoughts on the battle between these 1995 01:42:04.319 --> 01:42:04.680 two head. 1996 01:42:04.680 --> 01:42:08.680 Coaches, NO i don't think it's been a mismatch at. 1997 01:42:08.680 --> 01:42:10.800 ALL i think THAT i think That Chris noblock's a 1998 01:42:10.840 --> 01:42:13.399 real good. COACH i think he said something on the 1999 01:42:13.439 --> 01:42:19.520 bench to THE tnt, interviewer WHICH i think Was Jackie, 2000 01:42:19.560 --> 01:42:23.680 redman and he said she talked to him in the 2001 01:42:23.720 --> 01:42:28.079 first period and he, said you, know we've already taken four, 2002 01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:31.520 penalties which is a recipe for disaster, here and that's 2003 01:42:31.560 --> 01:42:33.840 really what it. Was it was a disaster for. Them so, 2004 01:42:34.600 --> 01:42:37.560 LOOK i Think Paul maurice right, now at this stage 2005 01:42:37.600 --> 01:42:41.239 In june of twenty twenty, five is probably in the 2006 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:44.079 top three coaches in the league for. SURE i Think 2007 01:42:44.159 --> 01:42:48.680 rod Brenda more is up there. Too but and by the, 2008 01:42:48.680 --> 01:42:50.520 way the best coach in the league doesn't always win 2009 01:42:50.560 --> 01:42:54.119 The Jack Adams award because that goes to the coach 2010 01:42:54.159 --> 01:42:57.239 that does the best that particular. Year and you know 2011 01:42:57.279 --> 01:42:59.319 whose team does the, best and so this year it 2012 01:42:59.359 --> 01:43:03.119 Was Spencer arbery of The Washington capital is well. Deserved 2013 01:43:03.319 --> 01:43:05.479 BUT i Think Paul maurice is an excellent. COACH i 2014 01:43:05.520 --> 01:43:09.039 think he's got this group. Nailed, like he knows This 2015 01:43:09.239 --> 01:43:13.399 Florida panthers. Group he loves, them he knows what makes them. 2016 01:43:13.439 --> 01:43:18.720 Tick AND i think it's really a magnificent job that 2017 01:43:18.760 --> 01:43:21.520 he's doing with his. TEAM i Think Chris knoblock has 2018 01:43:21.520 --> 01:43:24.239 a bit harder job to do because he's got you, 2019 01:43:24.279 --> 01:43:28.239 know he goes From conor McDavid And leon Dry, sidle 2020 01:43:28.319 --> 01:43:30.319 two of the top three players in the league for, 2021 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:34.359 sure and then he's also Got Casperry kappanan playing on 2022 01:43:34.399 --> 01:43:36.520 the same team on the third or fourth line that 2023 01:43:36.560 --> 01:43:39.840 they picked up on waivers during the, season and they've 2024 01:43:39.880 --> 01:43:42.600 got others going in and. Out so you've, got you, 2025 01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:46.880 know a diversity of talent to limited talent on that. 2026 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:52.079 Team it's not Like florida has a bunch of junkyard 2027 01:43:52.119 --> 01:43:55.880 dogs almost you, know they're they're just they're all playing 2028 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:59.520 the same. Way and you, know you've got The oilers 2029 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:05.760 who are great, team great. Talent BUT i think That, 2030 01:44:05.840 --> 01:44:08.319 florida's as you said, earlier has found a little bit 2031 01:44:08.319 --> 01:44:12.079 of a niche. There and we'll see tomorrow. Night if 2032 01:44:12.119 --> 01:44:15.439 The Edmonton oilers tie the series tomorrow, night it's a 2033 01:44:15.520 --> 01:44:17.199 two out of three with two of the games And 2034 01:44:17.359 --> 01:44:20.720 edmondson and it could go either, WAY i. Believe but 2035 01:44:20.760 --> 01:44:24.720 if The panthers win a course tomorrow, night then you 2036 01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:27.000 know what the Fat lady is warming? UP i, think 2037 01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:27.880 yeah for. 2038 01:44:27.960 --> 01:44:32.000 Sure and you referenced your thoughts on what you you 2039 01:44:32.000 --> 01:44:34.520 know are what you think they need to do as 2040 01:44:34.600 --> 01:44:37.239 far as being more, disciplined and you, know it's always 2041 01:44:37.319 --> 01:44:40.199 interesting this time of, Year, Neo, like we have both 2042 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.039 THE nba and THE Nhl finals on our, station and 2043 01:44:43.079 --> 01:44:46.079 it's that time of year where trophies are, won and 2044 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:49.960 when the regular season is behind you and you've already 2045 01:44:50.039 --> 01:44:54.239 won three rounds in a playoff tournament, scenario it's always 2046 01:44:54.239 --> 01:44:57.359 weird to talk about potential adjustments because it feels, like all, 2047 01:44:57.439 --> 01:44:59.680 right It's. June we are who we are and that's 2048 01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:02.720 why we're a. Finalist, like what can The pacers do 2049 01:45:03.000 --> 01:45:06.239 to adjust To oklahomas, SAY i don't. KNOW i Think 2050 01:45:06.319 --> 01:45:08.199 rick just has to do what he's done because they're 2051 01:45:08.199 --> 01:45:11.199 in THE Nba. Finals but when it comes to potential 2052 01:45:11.319 --> 01:45:15.760 adjustments That edmonton can, make is it line, changes is 2053 01:45:16.119 --> 01:45:19.439 it rotational, changes is it moving players? Around or is 2054 01:45:19.479 --> 01:45:21.640 it just, like, look we're in The Stanley cup final, 2055 01:45:21.680 --> 01:45:23.279 again we are who we are and we're just going 2056 01:45:23.319 --> 01:45:23.960 to go be who we. 2057 01:45:24.000 --> 01:45:28.199 ARE i think it's the ladder what you. SAID i 2058 01:45:28.239 --> 01:45:31.079 think That Chris knoblock is probably said to his, group 2059 01:45:31.640 --> 01:45:34.239 we have to go and play our. Game we can't 2060 01:45:34.279 --> 01:45:38.159 go into game four and let them make us play their. 2061 01:45:38.239 --> 01:45:40.960 Game we know how we want to, play we know 2062 01:45:41.039 --> 01:45:43.279 how we, play we know what wins for, us and 2063 01:45:43.319 --> 01:45:45.239 we got to go get back to that and play 2064 01:45:45.279 --> 01:45:49.279 that and to help with whatever they're. Doing and so 2065 01:45:50.039 --> 01:45:54.319 that's the kind of that's the kind of adjustment at 2066 01:45:54.319 --> 01:45:56.119 this time of YEAR i think you have to. Make 2067 01:45:56.199 --> 01:46:00.520 which is it's more, general, like come, on, guys, member 2068 01:46:01.039 --> 01:46:04.199 why we're here because we're that good and play our. 2069 01:46:04.279 --> 01:46:07.800 Game don't get sucked into their. Game AND i don't 2070 01:46:07.800 --> 01:46:10.479 think it's it's the things like in the first round 2071 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:14.399 you'll see like you've got to adjust to somebody's third 2072 01:46:14.479 --> 01:46:16.840 line or the second line is doing so, on or 2073 01:46:16.840 --> 01:46:19.399 that they're playing the power play a certain. WAY i, 2074 01:46:19.399 --> 01:46:22.239 mean by, now each team knows each, other but they 2075 01:46:22.439 --> 01:46:24.920 The Edmonton oilers have to play the game that they 2076 01:46:25.520 --> 01:46:28.079 that they've played all, season which has been successful for, 2077 01:46:28.119 --> 01:46:30.840 them the game that they started playing in game three 2078 01:46:30.840 --> 01:46:33.439 of the first. Round they lost the first two games 2079 01:46:33.439 --> 01:46:37.880 IN la and then found their footing in game three 2080 01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:42.159 and went on to sweep THE La. Kings after that 2081 01:46:42.159 --> 01:46:45.680 they'd won in. Six so that's what they have to do. 2082 01:46:45.760 --> 01:46:48.960 Here they have to go back to playing oiler. 2083 01:46:49.000 --> 01:46:54.039 Hockey, yeah and it's interesting because you reference THE la. 2084 01:46:54.159 --> 01:46:56.000 COMEBACK i, mean they've been coming back. 2085 01:46:55.840 --> 01:46:58.680 All season and all, postseason so it's hard to put 2086 01:46:58.720 --> 01:47:01.159 a nail in. Them but what's your what's your gut tell? 2087 01:47:01.199 --> 01:47:03.359 You let's move over to tomorrow. NIGHT i, MEAN i 2088 01:47:03.399 --> 01:47:05.680 know you reference that If florida, wins it feels like 2089 01:47:05.800 --> 01:47:08.319 it's on the precipice of being over And. Edmonton if they, 2090 01:47:08.319 --> 01:47:11.279 win then we have a different. Conversation but based off 2091 01:47:11.319 --> 01:47:13.600 of what we've seen so far and based off of 2092 01:47:13.600 --> 01:47:16.319 what you just articulated With thatminton's ability to come back from, 2093 01:47:16.359 --> 01:47:18.119 adversity what's your gut tell you tomorrow, night? 2094 01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.600 Boy oh, boy it isn't going to be a six 2095 01:47:24.600 --> 01:47:26.640 to one. GAME i can tell you that it's going 2096 01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:30.159 to be very, close AND i it may come down 2097 01:47:30.199 --> 01:47:35.560 To bobrowski versus Whoever Chris knoblock puts, in Either Calvin 2098 01:47:35.560 --> 01:47:39.119 pickard Or Stuart, skinner BUT i think IT'S i think 2099 01:47:39.159 --> 01:47:43.000 it's going to be a very, close very close to 2100 01:47:43.039 --> 01:47:50.439 the vest type play in that game. Tomorrow that's that's 2101 01:47:50.520 --> 01:47:52.600 my sense of, it because these two teams are so 2102 01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:56.960 close in their ability in totally different, ways but they're 2103 01:47:57.000 --> 01:48:00.800 so close THAT i think that it's going to, be you, 2104 01:48:00.800 --> 01:48:02.920 know it's going to be in a close one goal, 2105 01:48:03.000 --> 01:48:07.520 game maybe an overtime game when this Happens tomorrow. 2106 01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:11.199 Night as far as the decision that No block has 2107 01:48:11.239 --> 01:48:14.039 with the, goalies Either Stuart skinner who's been the, starter Or, 2108 01:48:14.039 --> 01:48:17.560 picker the. Backup talk to me about that, balance because, 2109 01:48:17.760 --> 01:48:21.239 ultimately you, know if he does Pull skinner and Puts 2110 01:48:21.279 --> 01:48:23.960 pickered in and he stands on his head and they, 2111 01:48:23.960 --> 01:48:27.479 win then you probably roll with, him but you also 2112 01:48:27.560 --> 01:48:29.760 run the risk of alienating the guy that's got you. 2113 01:48:29.880 --> 01:48:31.560 THERE i, mean it's got to be a tough. Decision 2114 01:48:31.600 --> 01:48:32.800 that's not an easy call for na. 2115 01:48:32.880 --> 01:48:35.800 Block, no it's a very tough. Call but let me 2116 01:48:35.840 --> 01:48:37.800 tell you what. Happened and so in the first, Round 2117 01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.239 Stuart skinner started and they lost two. Straight they Put 2118 01:48:42.279 --> 01:48:46.600 pickered in and he won six straight. Games so then 2119 01:48:46.640 --> 01:48:49.920 he got. Hurt they had to Put Stuart skinner back 2120 01:48:49.960 --> 01:48:52.840 in and he started winning and he's been winning ever 2121 01:48:52.920 --> 01:48:57.680 since up Until game. Three so now he's got to 2122 01:48:57.720 --> 01:49:01.920 make the decision at this late point in the. Playoffs 2123 01:49:02.640 --> 01:49:04.520 DO i go with the guy who hasn't played for 2124 01:49:04.600 --> 01:49:08.039 two weeks but did win sixth, straight or DO i 2125 01:49:08.079 --> 01:49:10.039 go with the guy who's been winning for us but 2126 01:49:10.119 --> 01:49:14.359 had one game where he let in five. Goals my 2127 01:49:14.479 --> 01:49:16.560 gut tells, me my guess Is i'll go on the 2128 01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:18.760 line on this. ONE i think he's going to Play Stuart. 2129 01:49:18.760 --> 01:49:21.640 SKINNER i think that's what his decision will, be is 2130 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:26.600 to stay with him and then if things don't go well, 2131 01:49:26.640 --> 01:49:29.880 early he's got picker that he can that he can put. 2132 01:49:29.920 --> 01:49:33.279 In BUT i think that's the direction he's going to. 2133 01:49:33.359 --> 01:49:36.079 Go All, right BEFORE i, set you lose a couple 2134 01:49:36.079 --> 01:49:38.680 of things about where we find ourselves out this. Way of, 2135 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:41.880 course The Utah mammoth are preparing for THE Nhl draft 2136 01:49:41.880 --> 01:49:45.359 and the combine just took place and is now behind. 2137 01:49:45.479 --> 01:49:48.199 Us i've been a plenty OF nba. Combines i've never 2138 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:51.039 been to AN nhl. Combine, so as a guy that 2139 01:49:51.279 --> 01:49:53.960 was a roster constructor at the highest of levels for so, 2140 01:49:54.119 --> 01:49:57.000 long tell us about this. Process The Utah mammoth with 2141 01:49:57.680 --> 01:49:59.520 the number four pick in the first. Round they also 2142 01:49:59.640 --> 01:50:02.079 maintain the majority of their other picks second round and. 2143 01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:05.560 Beyond so what's it like For Bill armstrong and his 2144 01:50:05.600 --> 01:50:08.199 staff to go to this combine took place In buffalo 2145 01:50:08.239 --> 01:50:10.319 this past? Weekend and what are you guys looking for 2146 01:50:10.359 --> 01:50:11.079 as you're building a. 2147 01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:13.640 Roster, WELL i think. 2148 01:50:13.479 --> 01:50:17.520 They're they're just looking at The they'll be there talking 2149 01:50:17.640 --> 01:50:20.880 to the players and seeing the players meeting the real 2150 01:50:21.239 --> 01:50:24.039 person and not just watching the kid down on the 2151 01:50:24.079 --> 01:50:26.279 ice in the junior league or college or wherever he, 2152 01:50:26.359 --> 01:50:29.800 place and they'll be able to see how mature he. 2153 01:50:29.880 --> 01:50:32.760 Is they'll be able to see his physical maturity as 2154 01:50:32.800 --> 01:50:37.239 well as talk to him about his mental. Maturity it's 2155 01:50:37.319 --> 01:50:40.159 another tool in your. Toolbox BUT i don't think that 2156 01:50:40.199 --> 01:50:45.319 the combine in any way changes what you saw all 2157 01:50:45.359 --> 01:50:49.000 season long on the, ice and SO i would fully 2158 01:50:49.079 --> 01:50:55.880 expect that The utah scouting staff will have the four 2159 01:50:56.000 --> 01:50:58.399 or five players lined up that they think are the 2160 01:50:58.439 --> 01:51:00.359 top guys in the, draft and they'll be ready to 2161 01:51:00.359 --> 01:51:06.000 pull the trigger on their pick. COMES i think the 2162 01:51:06.039 --> 01:51:08.800 combine is, great and it's something that's been integral out 2163 01:51:08.800 --> 01:51:11.880 of THE nhl for a long. Time but, AGAIN i 2164 01:51:12.319 --> 01:51:17.359 don't think it can change drastically what you've seen all 2165 01:51:17.439 --> 01:51:19.399 season interview. 2166 01:51:19.439 --> 01:51:23.399 Process as a general manager or a head of scouting 2167 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:27.319 or an ASSISTANT gm or anybody in this, process what 2168 01:51:27.319 --> 01:51:29.800 what are you looking for with your lot of questioning 2169 01:51:29.840 --> 01:51:33.039 when you're interviewing these young hockey players who are all still. 2170 01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:35.560 BABIES i, mean it's hard to get a feel on 2171 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:38.359 the maturity of somebody that is that. Young, oftentimes what 2172 01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:40.319 are some of the things you look for during the interview. 2173 01:51:40.319 --> 01:51:42.199 PROCESS i think the. 2174 01:51:42.279 --> 01:51:45.439 MATURITY i, think you, know how close is this young 2175 01:51:45.520 --> 01:51:49.720 man to being able to play with? Men you, know 2176 01:51:49.920 --> 01:51:53.960 is he how mature is? He how how well does he, 2177 01:51:54.640 --> 01:52:00.000 understand you, know what happens at this, level at THE nhl, 2178 01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:04.199 Level and how long do you does? It do you 2179 01:52:04.279 --> 01:52:06.359 picture until he's going to be able to play in THE. 2180 01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:10.560 Nhl you, know you may see a great hockey player 2181 01:52:10.560 --> 01:52:13.640 at eighteen years, old but when you talk to, him you, 2182 01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:15.800 know you find out that, boy he can't go into 2183 01:52:15.800 --> 01:52:17.800 a locker room with the guys we've. GOT i, mean 2184 01:52:18.079 --> 01:52:19.960 he's got to grow up a little. Bit he's got 2185 01:52:19.960 --> 01:52:22.439 to get a little bit more. Mature and as you Know, 2186 01:52:22.520 --> 01:52:27.640 spence eighteen years old compared to nineteen years old is 2187 01:52:28.439 --> 01:52:31.159 much more than a, year and nineteen compared to twenty 2188 01:52:31.600 --> 01:52:35.000 is much more than a. Year say him thirty five 2189 01:52:35.199 --> 01:52:38.079 to thirty six to thirty, SEVEN i, mean those those 2190 01:52:38.079 --> 01:52:40.880 are like six months each of. Those when you're a, 2191 01:52:41.000 --> 01:52:45.680 kid there's a lot of maturation that goes on both 2192 01:52:45.720 --> 01:52:48.880 mentally and physically when you're in your upper, teens and 2193 01:52:49.000 --> 01:52:52.239 SO i think they'll be trying to, judge where are 2194 01:52:52.319 --> 01:52:54.520 these young guys on the spectrum of. 2195 01:52:54.920 --> 01:52:59.079 Maturity neologics turned forty, Seven i'm still trying to figure it. 2196 01:52:59.079 --> 01:53:03.000 Out so you DEFINITELY i hear you, there all, Right 2197 01:53:03.039 --> 01:53:06.279 but BEFORE i set you, Loose i'll just pose one 2198 01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:09.600 More utah mammoth question to. You and we've kind of 2199 01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:11.720 discussed this in the past, before but we have a 2200 01:53:11.720 --> 01:53:13.560 lot of new hockey fans. 2201 01:53:13.600 --> 01:53:15.920 Here what sort of? 2202 01:53:16.079 --> 01:53:18.840 Type and you can go, position you can go, vet 2203 01:53:18.960 --> 01:53:22.439 you can go, mentality you can go. Whatever what sort 2204 01:53:22.479 --> 01:53:24.600 Of if we, say you, know they're going to add 2205 01:53:24.600 --> 01:53:27.000 the number four pick and he's maybe ready to, play 2206 01:53:27.000 --> 01:53:30.439 maybe he's. Not other than, that whether it's trades or free. 2207 01:53:30.439 --> 01:53:33.000 Agency if we say they add two or three, pieces 2208 01:53:33.039 --> 01:53:35.760 what sort of pieces do you Think bill's looking for 2209 01:53:35.760 --> 01:53:39.039 for this hockey club to take the next step next 2210 01:53:39.119 --> 01:53:42.840 year and maybe make the. Postseason you, KNOW i. 2211 01:53:42.720 --> 01:53:46.880 THINK i would think that he wants to add a 2212 01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:51.560 piece that is a mature type of. Piece and we 2213 01:53:51.600 --> 01:53:54.039 talked last week About Ian cole being on the. Team 2214 01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:57.600 was one The Stanley. CUP i think you need to 2215 01:53:57.680 --> 01:54:01.159 get another couple of Olderly and WHEN i say, OLDER 2216 01:54:01.199 --> 01:54:03.920 i don't Mean Corey Perry ole forty years. OLD i 2217 01:54:03.920 --> 01:54:05.960 mean just guys that have been around for a while 2218 01:54:06.000 --> 01:54:08.680 that can come in and help the young guys go 2219 01:54:08.800 --> 01:54:13.319 through this process of learning about winning and learning about 2220 01:54:13.319 --> 01:54:17.560 how to. Win and then, also of, COURSE i don't 2221 01:54:17.600 --> 01:54:19.880 want to leave out that whatever build thinks he can, 2222 01:54:19.960 --> 01:54:22.439 upgrade he's going to try to do. That but that 2223 01:54:22.560 --> 01:54:26.880 goes on all year, long all year. Round BUT i 2224 01:54:27.239 --> 01:54:32.399 would think that any of these building, teams and they're not, 2225 01:54:32.479 --> 01:54:38.840 rebuilding they're, building want to add solid veteran presence to 2226 01:54:38.960 --> 01:54:41.920 their locker. Room doesn't have to be a, superstar doesn't 2227 01:54:41.960 --> 01:54:45.640 have to Be besser From, vancouver it doesn't have to 2228 01:54:45.680 --> 01:54:48.680 Be bennett From, florida doesn't have to Be marner from The. 2229 01:54:48.760 --> 01:54:52.640 Leafs but you do want to add good character people 2230 01:54:52.720 --> 01:54:54.880 into your locker room that can help your team on 2231 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:56.560 the ice end in the locker. 2232 01:54:56.640 --> 01:54:59.640 Room, Okay, neil where can people go get that Great 2233 01:54:59.680 --> 01:55:00.399 podcas asked of. 2234 01:55:00.439 --> 01:55:02.560 Yours you can get it. 2235 01:55:02.600 --> 01:55:07.520 ANYWHERE Nhl Wrap. Around we Had Jack michaels on On. 2236 01:55:08.159 --> 01:55:11.680 Monday Jack michaels is the voice of The Edmonton oilers 2237 01:55:11.680 --> 01:55:14.159 AND i used to DO Ehl All star games with 2238 01:55:14.239 --> 01:55:17.199 him back in the. Day and he's a great, guy 2239 01:55:17.399 --> 01:55:21.720 funny and really fantastic take on The oilers and on 2240 01:55:21.760 --> 01:55:26.640 The Florida panthers and really renowned as a play by 2241 01:55:26.680 --> 01:55:29.880 play guy In. Edmonton and so he was on our. 2242 01:55:29.920 --> 01:55:32.039 Show you can catch. That that's already. Dropped that's out, 2243 01:55:32.079 --> 01:55:36.880 there but you get it On apple, platform podcast, platform On, Spotify, 2244 01:55:37.640 --> 01:55:44.199 iHeartRadio amazon and YouTube and give us a give us a, 2245 01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:45.159 try give us a. 2246 01:55:45.199 --> 01:55:46.239 Listen love. 2247 01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:48.079 It, Neil thank you so much for the, time. Sir 2248 01:55:48.199 --> 01:55:50.079 enjoy the rest of the, week have a great, weekend 2249 01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:50.680 and we will chat. 2250 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:55.079 Soon, yeah and we may know The Stanley cup winner 2251 01:55:55.079 --> 01:55:55.800 WHEN i talk to you. 2252 01:55:55.800 --> 01:55:57.920 Next that's, True that's. True we'll have to, see all, 2253 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:00.760 Right Neil. Smith The Stanley Cup final rolls on tomorrow 2254 01:56:00.840 --> 01:56:03.720 night and we will have the game on our station 2255 01:56:03.880 --> 01:56:06.279 right after we say good. Night tonight we have THE Nba, 2256 01:56:06.439 --> 01:56:08.600 Finals so whether you're looking for THE Nba finals or 2257 01:56:08.680 --> 01:56:12.439 The Stanley Cup final not, finals we have them on our. 2258 01:56:12.479 --> 01:56:17.039 Station Ian begley is Reporting Mike woodson is in the 2259 01:56:17.079 --> 01:56:19.840 mix to become the next coach. Again that is so. 2260 01:56:20.000 --> 01:56:23.359 Good it's just it's too. Good all, Right we'll catch a. 2261 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:27.279 Break PABLO masceooni head coach of, ourselves stops by. Too, 2262 01:56:27.319 --> 01:56:30.000 potentially well not, potentially he will stop out of preview 2263 01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:32.359 this weekend's. Game but before we catch that, Break ryan 2264 01:56:32.479 --> 01:56:35.479 from The dish, professionals you know the number mine now 2265 01:56:35.600 --> 01:56:37.520 eight oh, one four to two Four, Dish call it 2266 01:56:37.560 --> 01:56:37.840 and save. 2267 01:56:37.920 --> 01:56:38.960 Money, simple what's going? 2268 01:56:39.000 --> 01:56:41.119 On? 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Interview the hubris of this. 2291 01:57:38.600 --> 01:57:42.560 Organization so now as a result of, uh, well as 2292 01:57:42.560 --> 01:57:45.479 about five minutes, ago The New York knicks have tried 2293 01:57:45.520 --> 01:57:48.800 to Interview Jason. Kidd they were not allowed, To Chris, finch, 2294 01:57:49.000 --> 01:57:52.800 Nope Emy udoka, nope and Now Quinn snyder and every 2295 01:57:52.840 --> 01:57:55.119 teams said, no this is an organization without a. 2296 01:57:55.119 --> 01:57:57.359 Plan it's very very. Clear speaking of. 2297 01:57:57.399 --> 01:58:01.399 Coaches Bob BLO Maashoenni wednesday, Afternoon pob's happy, Ones, sys, 2298 01:58:01.399 --> 01:58:03.079 sir how are you happy? 2299 01:58:03.119 --> 01:58:04.159 Ones they spent doing? 2300 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:05.319 Well bud appreciate the. 2301 01:58:05.359 --> 01:58:08.159 Time Brian Wilson Beach boys passes away today at the 2302 01:58:08.199 --> 01:58:11.159 age eighty. Two first CONCERT i ever Saw Pobs Beach 2303 01:58:11.199 --> 01:58:13.920 boys WHEN i was eleven years. Old first concert a 2304 01:58:14.000 --> 01:58:15.199 Young PABLO mastrotdi. 2305 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:19.680 Attended oh, man you're not gonna believe. 2306 01:58:19.720 --> 01:58:24.000 THIS i can't. Wait run dmc, okay you know, what that's. 2307 01:58:24.000 --> 01:58:26.720 Cool that's a good. Answer that's a cool. Answer you 2308 01:58:26.760 --> 01:58:28.880 know you can you can impress a lot of people 2309 01:58:28.880 --> 01:58:29.800 with that. One how old were. 2310 01:58:29.800 --> 01:58:33.079 YOU i was in the sixth, grade, okay all? 2311 01:58:33.159 --> 01:58:33.880 Right and where was? 2312 01:58:33.920 --> 01:58:37.119 This and that was In, Phoenix, Arizona, Phoenix. 2313 01:58:37.159 --> 01:58:39.319 Arizona. Okay did you ever go through a beach boy's? 2314 01:58:39.399 --> 01:58:41.239 FACE i. 2315 01:58:41.359 --> 01:58:44.359 DIDN'T i always liked the, music just never never followed, 2316 01:58:44.359 --> 01:58:46.159 them know wing they were going to come into town 2317 01:58:46.640 --> 01:58:47.920 or if they were still touring at that. 2318 01:58:48.000 --> 01:58:50.600 Time, okay all, right fair, enough all. 2319 01:58:50.680 --> 01:58:52.640 Right before we get to your, CLUB i want to 2320 01:58:52.640 --> 01:58:54.880 ask you about THE us men's national, team who got 2321 01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:57.760 their heads kicked in last night and have now lost 2322 01:58:57.800 --> 01:59:00.760 four straight. Batches they're five and five Under. Chatina we 2323 01:59:00.800 --> 01:59:04.880 have The World cup one year, away BUT i Thought 2324 01:59:04.880 --> 01:59:08.239 diego showed well when he was able to hinterer at. 2325 01:59:08.279 --> 01:59:11.239 Halftime so just curious as your thoughts as to where 2326 01:59:11.279 --> 01:59:12.840 we're at with a Gold. Cup of, COURSE i want 2327 01:59:12.840 --> 01:59:14.920 to know your thoughts on How diego played and where 2328 01:59:14.920 --> 01:59:16.960 we're at with THE us men's national team one year 2329 01:59:17.000 --> 01:59:17.840 away from The World. 2330 01:59:17.840 --> 01:59:22.439 Cup, yeah you, KNOW i THINK i think it's been 2331 01:59:23.159 --> 01:59:27.319 a tough start Under, pochattino AND i think a lot 2332 01:59:27.319 --> 01:59:28.880 of it has to do with him still trying to 2333 01:59:28.880 --> 01:59:31.119 figure out who are the guys that he can rely. On, 2334 01:59:31.520 --> 01:59:34.119 Right AND i think when you're adding such a big 2335 01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:37.399 number OF mls players into the, pool there's there's going 2336 01:59:37.479 --> 01:59:39.039 to be moments where it's it's not going to go. 2337 01:59:39.079 --> 01:59:42.800 Well there's no, continuity there's you, KNOW i think he's 2338 01:59:42.800 --> 01:59:45.319 still trying, to you, know fine tune the way they 2339 01:59:45.319 --> 01:59:47.840 want to. Play and at the international, level you just 2340 01:59:47.880 --> 01:59:51.159 don't get the luxury of having practices every week and every, 2341 01:59:51.239 --> 01:59:55.119 day so you got to come together. Quickly and, again 2342 01:59:55.359 --> 01:59:58.600 because it's a relatively young, team there's a lot of 2343 01:59:58.600 --> 02:00:01.880 guys that you know that just in self preservation, mode 2344 02:00:01.880 --> 02:00:04.960 they're not really experienced players that are going to guide 2345 02:00:05.399 --> 02:00:07.880 the younger. Players and SO i think that's a big 2346 02:00:07.920 --> 02:00:11.279 part of why it's been it's been a bit of rough. 2347 02:00:11.319 --> 02:00:14.359 Going there's a lot of figuring out to, do both 2348 02:00:14.359 --> 02:00:17.960 from the players and the. Staff but as far as, 2349 02:00:18.000 --> 02:00:19.800 diego you, KNOW i, think you, know one of the 2350 02:00:19.840 --> 02:00:22.199 things again that that make me the most proud of 2351 02:00:22.600 --> 02:00:26.800 his growth has been his. Mindset and you, KNOW i 2352 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:29.680 think with attacking, players we typically say they're good when 2353 02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:33.239 they're scoring. Goals they're good when they're making, plays creating 2354 02:00:33.319 --> 02:00:38.239 chances given given. Assists but but again there's soccer is 2355 02:00:37.800 --> 02:00:41.079 a very low scoring, game, Right and so what else 2356 02:00:41.119 --> 02:00:44.800 do you bring into the table when when when when 2357 02:00:44.800 --> 02:00:47.399 you're not doing those? Things and And diego just brings 2358 02:00:47.520 --> 02:00:50.640 a ton of, energy a ton of, passion a ton of, 2359 02:00:50.680 --> 02:00:54.600 focus and a real commitment to defending. Right AND i 2360 02:00:54.640 --> 02:00:57.319 think and and those are the conversations That i've been 2361 02:00:57.319 --> 02:00:59.079 having with them over the last couple of. Years is 2362 02:00:59.119 --> 02:01:00.800 just like every coach in the world can find the 2363 02:01:00.800 --> 02:01:02.920 players that can do those. Things it's, like how are 2364 02:01:02.920 --> 02:01:05.159 you going to separate yourself from the rest of these 2365 02:01:05.159 --> 02:01:08.439 guys all over the, world you, know to put yourself 2366 02:01:08.439 --> 02:01:11.000 in the. Spotlight and, again even though he didn't score 2367 02:01:11.039 --> 02:01:13.640 a goal the other, night just did a great job 2368 02:01:13.640 --> 02:01:16.760 of getting around the, ball you, know clean with his decision, 2369 02:01:16.800 --> 02:01:20.520 making you, know just as, aggressiveness and he brings this 2370 02:01:20.880 --> 02:01:23.520 like energy to the, team you. Know AND i think 2371 02:01:23.520 --> 02:01:26.039 that's something that every coach in the world can hang 2372 02:01:26.079 --> 02:01:28.800 their hat on because they, know regardless that they're scoring and, 2373 02:01:28.840 --> 02:01:30.920 insisting which is what they're on the field to, do 2374 02:01:31.479 --> 02:01:34.760 if nothing, else they're bringing great, energy great, pressing great great. 2375 02:01:34.800 --> 02:01:38.199 Attitude and SO i think he's in a fantastic. Way 2376 02:01:38.479 --> 02:01:40.840 and you, know this gold couple will be really important 2377 02:01:40.840 --> 02:01:42.880 for Both diggo and the. Team you, KNOW i think 2378 02:01:42.880 --> 02:01:46.479 this is historically a tournament that THE us has done 2379 02:01:46.520 --> 02:01:49.640 really well. IN i think they'll they will do. WELL 2380 02:01:49.960 --> 02:01:52.920 i think these games needs to warm up, games you, 2381 02:01:52.960 --> 02:01:56.119 know showed the coaching staff and the players of what 2382 02:01:56.600 --> 02:01:58.920 playing at a really high level looks. Like and you, 2383 02:01:58.960 --> 02:02:00.800 KNOW i don't think they'll confront too many teams that 2384 02:02:01.359 --> 02:02:03.960 are like these two teams that they, played SO i 2385 02:02:03.960 --> 02:02:06.279 think they should be able to learn from those games 2386 02:02:06.279 --> 02:02:08.439 and put together a good run in the tournament THAT 2387 02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:10.439 i think they should have a good chance of. 2388 02:02:10.439 --> 02:02:13.319 Winning At donny on, earlier he was on the broadcast 2389 02:02:13.359 --> 02:02:16.000 For turner last night AND i Asked dunny if he 2390 02:02:16.079 --> 02:02:19.000 Believes diego is legitimately in the mix for a roster 2391 02:02:19.119 --> 02:02:21.800 spot for The World, cup And dunney, said he thinks 2392 02:02:21.800 --> 02:02:24.199 he can. Start he thinks, he you, know has the 2393 02:02:24.239 --> 02:02:27.680 eye approach A tino and his. Staff what's your what 2394 02:02:27.720 --> 02:02:29.479 are your thoughts on that whether or Not diego has 2395 02:02:29.479 --> 02:02:31.640 a legitimate chance of not just making A World cup, 2396 02:02:31.760 --> 02:02:35.560 roster but maybe actually sneaking into that eleven and upping 2397 02:02:35.600 --> 02:02:36.199 his personal. 2398 02:02:36.239 --> 02:02:41.720 Pedigree, yeah you know, AGAIN i think from from a coaching, 2399 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:45.079 PERSPECTIVE i think you want, predictability, right, predictability and he 2400 02:02:45.239 --> 02:02:48.880 like behaviors as a person and also behaviors as a, 2401 02:02:48.920 --> 02:02:51.760 Player AND i Think diego comes to every game he, 2402 02:02:51.880 --> 02:02:54.840 Plays you're you're going to get a ten out of ten, 2403 02:02:54.880 --> 02:02:57.279 effort at ten out of, ten, commitment at ten out of, ten. 2404 02:02:57.359 --> 02:03:01.159 Attitude AND i think when when you're kind of looking 2405 02:03:01.159 --> 02:03:04.039 at the roster at the pool of, players you, know 2406 02:03:04.399 --> 02:03:06.520 you have some attackers that have a lot of goals 2407 02:03:06.560 --> 02:03:09.920 but currently, don't but they don't necessarily bring the energy 2408 02:03:09.960 --> 02:03:12.159 to the. Team SO i agree With, gunny you, KNOW 2409 02:03:12.159 --> 02:03:14.359 i Think diego has a legitimate, chance BUT i think 2410 02:03:14.720 --> 02:03:16.359 starting for that team has a lot to do with 2411 02:03:16.479 --> 02:03:18.960 form going into the tournament as. Well so there's a 2412 02:03:18.960 --> 02:03:21.680 lot of other players that can, potentially you, know take 2413 02:03:21.720 --> 02:03:24.079 a spot or. Two but one THING i think you 2414 02:03:24.119 --> 02:03:26.239 can't do is leave a player Like Diego luna off 2415 02:03:26.279 --> 02:03:28.439 that national team because he's a spark when he comes 2416 02:03:28.520 --> 02:03:30.800 in and he's a great player when he. Starts SO 2417 02:03:31.920 --> 02:03:34.479 i think he's putting himself in a really good position 2418 02:03:34.600 --> 02:03:36.119 to be a part of the twenty twenty. 2419 02:03:36.119 --> 02:03:40.239 Sixteen over the past twenty four hours or. So and 2420 02:03:40.319 --> 02:03:43.279 for our listeners, Perspective pablo played In World cup for 2421 02:03:43.319 --> 02:03:44.239 THE us men's national. 2422 02:03:44.239 --> 02:03:47.239 Team did you plan in two? Yep, okay very, nice 2423 02:03:47.880 --> 02:03:48.439 two thousand and. 2424 02:03:48.439 --> 02:03:51.520 Six that's, right that's. Right so we've heard from some 2425 02:03:51.720 --> 02:03:54.319 former teammates of. Yours we've heard From Landon, Donovan we've 2426 02:03:54.319 --> 02:03:57.760 heard From Clint, dempsey and then After Alexi lalas was 2427 02:03:57.760 --> 02:04:00.439 done giving his take on tariffs in The Southern, order 2428 02:04:00.439 --> 02:04:04.279 we also heard him criticize some some players who decided 2429 02:04:04.319 --> 02:04:07.359 not to show up for This Gold cup. Run and you, 2430 02:04:07.359 --> 02:04:09.760 know it's interesting because The Gold, cup of, course is 2431 02:04:10.199 --> 02:04:12.319 much much different than The World, cup and in years 2432 02:04:12.359 --> 02:04:16.279 past it is known as kind of this platform for 2433 02:04:16.359 --> 02:04:19.479 players that aren't necessarily among the first choice players for 2434 02:04:19.520 --> 02:04:21.840 The World cup to show what they can. Do and 2435 02:04:21.880 --> 02:04:24.640 it was A World cup appearance From Kyle beckerman And 2436 02:04:24.720 --> 02:04:26.640 Nikki romando back in the day that kind of was 2437 02:04:26.640 --> 02:04:30.000 a conduit for Their World cup. Experiences do you share 2438 02:04:30.039 --> 02:04:33.880 the sentiment that players Like weston McKinney And Christen polisic 2439 02:04:34.039 --> 02:04:36.720 AND i Think tyler was, hurt but a lot you, 2440 02:04:36.760 --> 02:04:39.920 know maybe six or seven of the potential starters for 2441 02:04:39.960 --> 02:04:41.880 The World cup, team and maybe eleven or twelve of 2442 02:04:41.960 --> 02:04:43.960 the potential eight team for The World cup team are 2443 02:04:43.960 --> 02:04:47.039 not playing in The Gold. Cup do you believe they 2444 02:04:47.079 --> 02:04:49.640 should be as we are literally one year away from 2445 02:04:49.640 --> 02:04:50.399 The World cup in our. 2446 02:04:50.439 --> 02:04:53.439 Region, YEAH i, mean you, KNOW i could. 2447 02:04:53.439 --> 02:04:56.359 SEE i could see both. Sides spence and one these 2448 02:04:56.399 --> 02:05:02.119 players In europe have ruling. Schedules and, again if if 2449 02:05:02.199 --> 02:05:04.199 they if they compete in this and they don't have 2450 02:05:04.279 --> 02:05:06.760 a break right because right now is there is their 2451 02:05:06.800 --> 02:05:10.199 break between, seasons then they're then they're probably putting themselves 2452 02:05:10.239 --> 02:05:13.600 at risk from an injury. PERSPECTIVE i also understand the 2453 02:05:13.600 --> 02:05:17.159 fans perspective and ex player's perspective that, listen we're a year, 2454 02:05:17.199 --> 02:05:20.000 away we still don't know what we. Have how are 2455 02:05:20.039 --> 02:05:23.239 you not a part of this, group forming the, identity 2456 02:05:23.359 --> 02:05:25.840 the core base of this team that's going to compete 2457 02:05:26.239 --> 02:05:30.079 on our home soil in a year's, Time, Right SO 2458 02:05:30.199 --> 02:05:32.159 i understand, both AND i think the truth is somewhere 2459 02:05:32.159 --> 02:05:34.840 in between those two. Things AND i don't know where 2460 02:05:34.840 --> 02:05:37.119 they're at. PHYSICALLY i don't know if they're. Shot you, 2461 02:05:37.159 --> 02:05:39.039 know there's a lot of things that we don't. Know 2462 02:05:39.520 --> 02:05:42.079 so it's easy. There you, know it's easy to kind 2463 02:05:42.079 --> 02:05:44.840 of sit at the thirty thousand feet level and say they, 2464 02:05:44.880 --> 02:05:48.039 should but obviously we don't know the details as to 2465 02:05:48.119 --> 02:05:51.119 the wise and so from a you, know from a player, 2466 02:05:51.119 --> 02:05:54.560 PERSPECTIVE i can only imagine that they're just spent right 2467 02:05:54.600 --> 02:05:56.520 and they don't feel like one it's going to be 2468 02:05:56.520 --> 02:05:59.479 conducive to the next run in because their season next 2469 02:05:59.560 --> 02:06:02.920 year is going to just as important to them making 2470 02:06:02.960 --> 02:06:05.359 the national team and actually playing at a really high 2471 02:06:05.399 --> 02:06:08.039 level because the expectation is that what the, McKinney you, 2472 02:06:08.079 --> 02:06:11.479 know Polisice H, moussa these guys are aren't playing at 2473 02:06:11.479 --> 02:06:13.239 an extremely high level if we're going to have a 2474 02:06:13.319 --> 02:06:15.560 chance to make a great run of the. Tournament so, 2475 02:06:16.159 --> 02:06:20.640 uh you, know, uh It's i'd be cautious to say 2476 02:06:20.640 --> 02:06:22.880 one way or the, other AND i BUT i agree 2477 02:06:22.880 --> 02:06:25.279 with both. CAMPS i agree with both camps That i've 2478 02:06:25.319 --> 02:06:28.359 been in kind of both, camps and so it's it's 2479 02:06:28.399 --> 02:06:30.520 not an easy. One but but what it does do 2480 02:06:30.600 --> 02:06:32.560 AND i always look at the silver lining and, say, 2481 02:06:32.680 --> 02:06:35.479 well it gives an opportunity for guys Like, diego guys 2482 02:06:35.600 --> 02:06:38.560 LIKE ms Players Brian white that are doing well to 2483 02:06:39.159 --> 02:06:41.479 show their, goods you, know in the absence of these other, 2484 02:06:41.520 --> 02:06:43.840 Guys and so the onus is on now these players 2485 02:06:43.880 --> 02:06:47.039 that are in camp to show real well and win 2486 02:06:47.279 --> 02:06:50.000 and win the. Tournament so now you, start you, know 2487 02:06:50.199 --> 02:06:52.720 putting you, know seeds of you, know putting seeds in 2488 02:06:52.720 --> 02:06:55.159 the coach's minds as That i'm capable of, playing and 2489 02:06:55.199 --> 02:06:58.439 all of a, sudden the pool becomes more competitive versus 2490 02:06:58.520 --> 02:07:00.600 just having six or seven players that are. 2491 02:07:00.640 --> 02:07:05.079 Locks is it a commentary on our overall depth and 2492 02:07:05.159 --> 02:07:08.159 talent pool that without our best five or six players 2493 02:07:08.159 --> 02:07:08.720 we look so? 2494 02:07:08.880 --> 02:07:09.399 Bad is? 2495 02:07:09.399 --> 02:07:12.319 That is that a commentary that maybe The diego was? 2496 02:07:12.359 --> 02:07:14.199 GREAT i want to be, clear AND i think he's 2497 02:07:14.239 --> 02:07:16.239 got a bright. Future BUT i don't know if it's 2498 02:07:16.239 --> 02:07:18.239 an indictment ON. MLS i don't want to go. There 2499 02:07:18.279 --> 02:07:20.520 but what does it say to you about our talent 2500 02:07:20.560 --> 02:07:22.920 pool that when our top shelf guys aren't in, there 2501 02:07:22.920 --> 02:07:23.680 we seem to look so. 2502 02:07:23.800 --> 02:07:26.560 Lost that's a great. 2503 02:07:26.640 --> 02:07:30.279 QUESTION i think it's multi faceting the one Thing i'll 2504 02:07:30.279 --> 02:07:31.760 point to AND i think it's a real, thing and 2505 02:07:31.840 --> 02:07:36.000 and pro and pro soccer really and that's team's a 2506 02:07:36.039 --> 02:07:39.640 part of that as. Well is the the with the 2507 02:07:39.640 --> 02:07:43.119 modern game because it's become so so much more physically. 2508 02:07:43.119 --> 02:07:47.720 Demanding the thought, is we want younger, players, Right we 2509 02:07:47.760 --> 02:07:50.760 want younger, players which is great because they'll do a 2510 02:07:50.800 --> 02:07:53.279 lot of things that older players. Won't but what they 2511 02:07:53.319 --> 02:07:56.279 don't have is the experience to kind of lead and 2512 02:07:56.359 --> 02:07:59.560 the experience to help these players that are coming into this. 2513 02:07:59.640 --> 02:08:02.479 Camp and SO i think that that has been an 2514 02:08:02.479 --> 02:08:04.880 issue with the national. Team and you can do it 2515 02:08:04.880 --> 02:08:06.479 with young. Players it's not that you, can't but they 2516 02:08:06.479 --> 02:08:08.359 have to be special players that are willing, to you. 2517 02:08:08.359 --> 02:08:10.000 Know AND i Think Tyler adams is a good. EXAMPLE 2518 02:08:10.039 --> 02:08:11.720 i think he's the, leader you, KNOW i think he 2519 02:08:11.800 --> 02:08:14.199 leads by, example but he's also very you, know he 2520 02:08:14.199 --> 02:08:17.520 communicates really well and he. Organizes but but you, KNOW 2521 02:08:17.600 --> 02:08:19.640 i look back at our teams WHEN i was, playing 2522 02:08:19.880 --> 02:08:22.479 AND i always had guys that were seven eight years 2523 02:08:22.479 --> 02:08:25.199 older THAN i was on the field and, oftentimes especially 2524 02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:27.640 when when bullets started flying and we were under it 2525 02:08:27.680 --> 02:08:30.239 a little, bit they were the ones that helped organize the. 2526 02:08:30.279 --> 02:08:32.640 Team it wasn't the. Coach the coach has no connection 2527 02:08:32.680 --> 02:08:35.680 to the game when it's going, on, right he sets 2528 02:08:35.680 --> 02:08:38.680 the plan in, motion AND i just deal with our national. 2529 02:08:38.680 --> 02:08:41.239 Team we lack a little bit of that experience that 2530 02:08:41.359 --> 02:08:43.279 can guide these, guys and so IT'S i don't think 2531 02:08:43.279 --> 02:08:46.279 it's so much of you, know the talent That i'm 2532 02:08:46.319 --> 02:08:49.159 talking about is more about. Experience and so the younger 2533 02:08:49.199 --> 02:08:52.039 players can look up in times of duress and see 2534 02:08:52.119 --> 02:08:54.560 the guy is, calm and hear him, communicating and hear 2535 02:08:54.600 --> 02:08:55.520 him don't worry about. 2536 02:08:55.520 --> 02:08:56.279 It we're going to handle. 2537 02:08:56.319 --> 02:08:58.600 This whereas if you have a lot of inexperience on the, 2538 02:08:58.600 --> 02:09:02.119 field oftentimes you, know they're they're they're they're under a 2539 02:09:02.159 --> 02:09:04.600 lot of, pressure and they're in more self preservation mode 2540 02:09:04.640 --> 02:09:07.600 as opposed, to you, know solving the problem, right and 2541 02:09:07.640 --> 02:09:10.039 they're acting more as individuals as opposed to a. 2542 02:09:10.079 --> 02:09:10.880 Collective and, so. 2543 02:09:12.439 --> 02:09:15.199 You, KNOW i think that we do have a group 2544 02:09:15.239 --> 02:09:17.960 that has A World cup, experience and now the onus 2545 02:09:18.000 --> 02:09:21.399 is on on those. Guys, polisage. Mckinne you, Know, moosa 2546 02:09:21.520 --> 02:09:24.600 these guys that did well in twenty twenty two to 2547 02:09:24.720 --> 02:09:27.279 really show up in twenty twenty six and and and 2548 02:09:27.479 --> 02:09:31.039 be not only great players but also leaders and mentors 2549 02:09:31.079 --> 02:09:32.159 for the rest of the. 2550 02:09:32.199 --> 02:09:34.680 Group, okay to your one more thing, here because to 2551 02:09:34.720 --> 02:09:35.920 your point about the coaching. 2552 02:09:36.000 --> 02:09:37.800 Stuff it's a really good. 2553 02:09:37.840 --> 02:09:42.039 ONE i don't feel like soccer coaches more so than 2554 02:09:42.119 --> 02:09:45.000 any other, sport any any any other sport you call 2555 02:09:45.039 --> 02:09:47.640 it time, out any other sport that plays over get over. 2556 02:09:47.680 --> 02:09:50.600 Here AND i know that you and your assistants are 2557 02:09:50.760 --> 02:09:53.399 in communication with players as are running by you or, 2558 02:09:53.439 --> 02:09:55.760 whatever but it just feels like once the game, starts 2559 02:09:56.279 --> 02:09:59.600 soccer coaches soccer managers are just kind of. Spectators AND 2560 02:09:59.640 --> 02:10:01.239 i know that that's not entirely, true BUT i know 2561 02:10:01.279 --> 02:10:03.880 you get my. Point and, ultimately when it comes to 2562 02:10:04.279 --> 02:10:07.199 what we've done with THE us men's national, team you, 2563 02:10:07.239 --> 02:10:09.640 know even moving on from a guy Like Bob bradley 2564 02:10:09.800 --> 02:10:12.000 and then it Was jurgen and then it Was greg 2565 02:10:12.479 --> 02:10:13.000 and now it's. 2566 02:10:13.039 --> 02:10:13.359 Poach. 2567 02:10:14.000 --> 02:10:16.720 Uh and you, know there's a lot of noise About 2568 02:10:16.720 --> 02:10:18.640 pochettino and whether or not he's the. Guy i'm, like, 2569 02:10:18.720 --> 02:10:20.479 dude you moved on from the guy that could have 2570 02:10:20.479 --> 02:10:22.319 been the. Guy it can't always be the, coach but 2571 02:10:22.399 --> 02:10:24.239 it's hard to cut players and move on from. 2572 02:10:24.239 --> 02:10:26.279 Players what's what's. 2573 02:10:26.079 --> 02:10:29.319 Fair to say about the early returns From pochettino after 2574 02:10:29.439 --> 02:10:31.840 ten and does it change the way people should look 2575 02:10:31.840 --> 02:10:33.760 at the job That greg did before he was let. 2576 02:10:33.760 --> 02:10:33.920 Go. 2577 02:10:35.359 --> 02:10:39.039 Yeah, AGAIN i mean we've talked about this. Oftentimes you, 2578 02:10:39.079 --> 02:10:42.239 know the coaches is is always going to be the 2579 02:10:42.239 --> 02:10:44.800 guy that flicked at as when when there's issues that 2580 02:10:44.800 --> 02:10:49.119 that's that's the. Problem and and, again as AS i 2581 02:10:49.159 --> 02:10:53.039 continue my coaching, journey the most important thing for me 2582 02:10:53.560 --> 02:10:58.680 is is a group of players that have a requisite 2583 02:10:58.680 --> 02:11:01.359 amount of experience to lead. Themselves so if you go 2584 02:11:01.479 --> 02:11:03.680 all young guys in a game where like you, said 2585 02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:06.800 coaches cannot call time, out then you're left to the 2586 02:11:06.840 --> 02:11:12.399 whims of their, experience. Right but when teams have six 2587 02:11:12.640 --> 02:11:16.760 experienced players that hold themselves accountable and then bring a 2588 02:11:16.760 --> 02:11:19.920 lot into young, guys now you've created an environment where 2589 02:11:19.960 --> 02:11:22.399 you have coaches on the. Field right, NOW i think 2590 02:11:22.399 --> 02:11:25.520 that's different from other sports where you can have just, 2591 02:11:26.560 --> 02:11:29.039 talent and talent will see you through because now the 2592 02:11:29.039 --> 02:11:30.880 coach can call a, player call a time, out and 2593 02:11:30.920 --> 02:11:33.720 do these different. Things we don't have that, luxury and 2594 02:11:33.760 --> 02:11:37.399 so what we rely on is, one we have a leadership, group, 2595 02:11:37.720 --> 02:11:39.520 right and a lot of these a lot of the 2596 02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:43.159 guys in our leadership group AT rsl have two three 2597 02:11:43.239 --> 02:11:45.720 years of, experience. Right and then there's a couple others 2598 02:11:45.720 --> 02:11:48.720 that have a lot. More BUT i just think that 2599 02:11:49.079 --> 02:11:53.119 the dynamic of the team that must have a requisite 2600 02:11:53.199 --> 02:11:56.880 number of players with tremendous experience to be able to 2601 02:11:56.960 --> 02:11:59.359 calm the game down when a, technic speed it, up 2602 02:11:59.359 --> 02:12:01.640 when it's, law when there's roles in the, game you, 2603 02:12:01.680 --> 02:12:05.600 know like get the guys dialed in on set pieces 2604 02:12:05.600 --> 02:12:07.359 where we're at times you feel like it's a time to, 2605 02:12:07.399 --> 02:12:09.439 rest but it's really a time to be, focused you. 2606 02:12:09.439 --> 02:12:11.600 Know so we go through all that in, training but 2607 02:12:11.840 --> 02:12:14.720 you can imagine when bullets start, flying it's not we 2608 02:12:14.760 --> 02:12:16.800 can't stop the, session we can't stop the, game call 2609 02:12:16.840 --> 02:12:18.159 a time out and be, like, guys this is a 2610 02:12:18.159 --> 02:12:22.039 really epulleant. Moment SO i think the makeup of the 2611 02:12:22.079 --> 02:12:25.159 team has to be so that you have coaches on the. 2612 02:12:25.159 --> 02:12:28.920 Field if, not then then just you're oftentimes flipping the 2613 02:12:28.920 --> 02:12:31.359 coin as to how they're going to. Respond and again 2614 02:12:31.399 --> 02:12:33.800 that's how players gain. Experience and we talk about, it 2615 02:12:33.840 --> 02:12:35.199 this is a. Moment what do you think about this 2616 02:12:35.239 --> 02:12:38.479 moment from a management, Perspective, oh we could have done this, differently, 2617 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:41.279 Right so now it might take six or seven more 2618 02:12:41.319 --> 02:12:44.079 of those moments for them to finally, understand and then 2619 02:12:44.119 --> 02:12:46.279 it might take six or seven of those moments for 2620 02:12:46.359 --> 02:12:48.720 them to be able to communicate with the teammate without 2621 02:12:48.760 --> 02:12:52.399 feeling Like i'm being hard on my. Teammates SO i 2622 02:12:52.399 --> 02:12:54.800 think that's been the toughest. Thing and so With, poach, 2623 02:12:55.319 --> 02:12:58.119 again for, me it's early. Days he's trying to figure 2624 02:12:58.119 --> 02:13:00.319 out exactly the best way to go about it with 2625 02:13:00.359 --> 02:13:05.079 the team, tactically from from a mentality standpoint as, well 2626 02:13:05.359 --> 02:13:06.800 and then on top of, that he's trying to figure 2627 02:13:06.800 --> 02:13:08.600 out the players that are going to be able to help, 2628 02:13:08.680 --> 02:13:12.479 him you, know you, know see out his ideas and 2629 02:13:12.520 --> 02:13:16.279 his style of. Play So i'd Be i'd be real 2630 02:13:16.319 --> 02:13:18.239 cautious because AGAIN i Think greg did a really good. 2631 02:13:18.319 --> 02:13:20.640 Job it did a really good. Job and everyone and 2632 02:13:20.640 --> 02:13:22.840 everyone always thinks that The grats is always green over someone, 2633 02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:25.079 else and it's the truth, is it's the same players 2634 02:13:25.399 --> 02:13:27.479 and depending on where there, are where they're at in 2635 02:13:27.520 --> 02:13:30.439 their soccer, journey will dictate whether or not you have 2636 02:13:30.520 --> 02:13:32.439 leaders on the field that can that can carry out the. 2637 02:13:32.479 --> 02:13:35.199 Plan wouldn't it just be more prudent to find the, 2638 02:13:35.239 --> 02:13:37.279 guy believe in the, guy and ride with the guy 2639 02:13:37.359 --> 02:13:37.960 and give them. 2640 02:13:37.840 --> 02:13:42.000 Time that that that would be the that would be 2641 02:13:42.039 --> 02:13:44.159 the sensible way of looking at. It BUT i think 2642 02:13:44.159 --> 02:13:47.760 in pro sports, again like and and And i'll say 2643 02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:50.880 pro sports in a in a social media, world there's 2644 02:13:50.960 --> 02:13:54.319 just no. Time there's just there's just no. What you, 2645 02:13:54.359 --> 02:13:57.279 know everyone wants to plan an orange, tree a seed 2646 02:13:57.319 --> 02:13:59.319 of an orange, tree and then recruit the next. Day 2647 02:13:59.359 --> 02:14:01.760 and it's, like that's just not how nature. Works but 2648 02:14:02.279 --> 02:14:05.439 we're bucking the nature trend and just demanding that things. 2649 02:14:05.479 --> 02:14:09.039 Go they go great from the, start but but there's 2650 02:14:09.079 --> 02:14:11.439 gonna be a big learning. Curve and, again this Is 2651 02:14:11.439 --> 02:14:15.720 potatino's first gig as a as an international, manager and 2652 02:14:16.159 --> 02:14:18.960 that's very unique because you don't have the building blocks 2653 02:14:18.960 --> 02:14:20.600 to be, Like, okay this is how we, play and 2654 02:14:20.720 --> 02:14:21.840 we can train this for the next. 2655 02:14:21.880 --> 02:14:23.319 Month you got. 2656 02:14:23.359 --> 02:14:25.560 Camp, set you have two training, sessions and then you 2657 02:14:25.560 --> 02:14:27.760 have a, game and then you have a training, session 2658 02:14:27.760 --> 02:14:29.760 then you have another, game and it's like there's there's no. 2659 02:14:29.920 --> 02:14:32.079 Time and that's WHY i go back to this experience, 2660 02:14:32.119 --> 02:14:34.680 thing because those guys know how to conduct themselves in 2661 02:14:34.680 --> 02:14:38.119 a way where like they can grasp tactical concepts really 2662 02:14:38.159 --> 02:14:41.039 easily because they've seen a million different coaches in their 2663 02:14:41.039 --> 02:14:43.119 careers and they can apply in real. 2664 02:14:43.159 --> 02:14:46.039 Time do you Know Alexi lallas at? 2665 02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:48.079 ALL i? 2666 02:14:48.159 --> 02:14:51.880 Do is he as unpleasant of a person as he? 2667 02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:53.359 Seems you? 2668 02:14:53.359 --> 02:14:56.119 KNOW i think when he wants TO, tv he really you, 2669 02:14:56.159 --> 02:15:00.640 know like he has this bad guy image these you, 2670 02:15:00.680 --> 02:15:03.840 know and any portrays THAT i think on THE. TV 2671 02:15:04.399 --> 02:15:07.279 i don't think that's genuinely who he. IS i think 2672 02:15:07.319 --> 02:15:11.520 he does speak his, mind but but my experiences with 2673 02:15:11.600 --> 02:15:14.960 him as a player are different from WHAT i think 2674 02:15:14.960 --> 02:15:15.520 you see on THE. 2675 02:15:15.520 --> 02:15:18.079 Tv, okay all, right fair, enough we Don't we don't 2676 02:15:18.119 --> 02:15:20.319 have to stay in the. Space it's getting uncomfortable. Already 2677 02:15:20.319 --> 02:15:22.560 so let's move over to your, Team. Pablo since, uh 2678 02:15:22.920 --> 02:15:25.279 since you AND i last, spoke you hit the road 2679 02:15:25.279 --> 02:15:28.239 for a couple of, matches And Jason christ hopped on 2680 02:15:28.319 --> 02:15:31.720 the show prior to you guys leaving and informed us 2681 02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:35.119 That diogo was being left off the trip due to disciplinary. 2682 02:15:35.199 --> 02:15:37.560 Reasons SO i have a two part. Question can you 2683 02:15:37.600 --> 02:15:39.880 shed any light on that? Decision and have you been 2684 02:15:39.920 --> 02:15:42.640 pleased with his response since you guys decided to leave him? 2685 02:15:42.680 --> 02:15:47.279 Home, yeah you, KNOW i think AND i talked about 2686 02:15:47.279 --> 02:15:49.800 this a couple of days, ago and AND i think 2687 02:15:49.880 --> 02:15:52.760 just given where we were at as a, team there's 2688 02:15:52.760 --> 02:15:55.399 a there's a huge sense of, urgency, right And dugo 2689 02:15:55.479 --> 02:15:58.159 had been out for eight or nine days with a 2690 02:15:58.239 --> 02:16:01.239 with a heal, injury and so it was his first 2691 02:16:01.319 --> 02:16:04.720 day back and and we had to the next, day 2692 02:16:04.720 --> 02:16:08.960 we were traveling To, austin and and so he was 2693 02:16:09.000 --> 02:16:11.840 in a different mode than than the rest of the, group, 2694 02:16:12.239 --> 02:16:15.199 Right AND i think that wasn't taken into account that 2695 02:16:15.239 --> 02:16:17.119 he'd been out for eight days and had to get 2696 02:16:17.199 --> 02:16:19.640 up to. Speed you, know the expectation was that he'd 2697 02:16:19.640 --> 02:16:22.600 be pick up right where he left, off and that's 2698 02:16:22.640 --> 02:16:26.279 not real. Either SO i think a lot got misconstrued 2699 02:16:26.439 --> 02:16:28.840 with the urgency of the group and what we needed 2700 02:16:28.840 --> 02:16:31.359 to do and where he was coming off of his. 2701 02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:35.559 Injury SO i think that was, that you, know that 2702 02:16:35.760 --> 02:16:39.639 was a. Situation and and so since, then his response 2703 02:16:39.680 --> 02:16:42.600 has been. Fantastic he's been he's been great in, training 2704 02:16:43.600 --> 02:16:47.120 really focused doing just doing a lot of great things and. 2705 02:16:47.159 --> 02:16:50.040 Training SO i feel very. Optimistic and then obviously With 2706 02:16:50.200 --> 02:16:53.200 diggle out this, weekend uh he'll probably play on the 2707 02:16:53.239 --> 02:16:57.920 left side coming in where's he's the most. Comfortable and you, 2708 02:16:57.959 --> 02:17:00.280 KNOW i look forward to a very good performance this. 2709 02:17:00.319 --> 02:17:01.280 Weekend good to. 2710 02:17:01.360 --> 02:17:03.239 Hear good to, hear because you need, him, man you 2711 02:17:03.239 --> 02:17:04.040 need him now more than. 2712 02:17:04.079 --> 02:17:07.079 Ever maybe who else will you rely on in the 2713 02:17:07.159 --> 02:17:10.360 attack With diego? Away So diego will be on the. 2714 02:17:10.399 --> 02:17:11.680 Left who else are we going to see in the? 2715 02:17:11.680 --> 02:17:17.239 Attack, yeah we'll more likely See Johnny russell playing on the. 2716 02:17:17.319 --> 02:17:22.639 Right and again another player that hadn't had a, preseason 2717 02:17:22.680 --> 02:17:25.319 been six months out and every training session he just 2718 02:17:25.399 --> 02:17:28.479 gets brought to sharper and. Sharper his his fitness levels 2719 02:17:28.840 --> 02:17:31.639 have gone up incredibly in the last you, know three, 2720 02:17:31.719 --> 02:17:34.239 weeks and he's putting in a lot of work and 2721 02:17:34.319 --> 02:17:36.920 his qualities kind of speaks for. Itself you, know he's 2722 02:17:36.959 --> 02:17:39.159 been scoring a lot of goals in, training which is 2723 02:17:39.239 --> 02:17:42.079 which is something that we've been sorely. Missing so really 2724 02:17:42.079 --> 02:17:45.920 excited to See johnny and then you, Know William. Gozo 2725 02:17:46.040 --> 02:17:48.399 more likely we'll shore up the rest of the front. 2726 02:17:48.440 --> 02:17:50.399 Line as far as the rest of the, GROUP i 2727 02:17:50.440 --> 02:17:52.040 know you have been banged, up but it's been a 2728 02:17:52.040 --> 02:17:54.319 minute since your last. Match have you been able to 2729 02:17:54.440 --> 02:17:56.639 utilize the space to get everybody ready to get ready 2730 02:17:56.680 --> 02:17:56.920 to go in? 2731 02:17:57.000 --> 02:18:00.639 Healthy, Yeah, no it's it's been. Great you, KNOW i 2732 02:18:00.639 --> 02:18:03.760 think it's it was a tough slog the first part 2733 02:18:03.799 --> 02:18:06.680 of the. Season but, again where WHERE i really leaned 2734 02:18:06.719 --> 02:18:10.319 into is the belief and and the way the WAY 2735 02:18:10.360 --> 02:18:15.000 I i see belief is in the in the effort 2736 02:18:15.239 --> 02:18:18.040 and the commitment and. Training, Right so we had we 2737 02:18:18.079 --> 02:18:19.559 had a week where we didn't have a, game and 2738 02:18:19.600 --> 02:18:21.840 we had three training sessions and those are really hard 2739 02:18:21.879 --> 02:18:23.719 as a player to get up for because there's nothing 2740 02:18:23.719 --> 02:18:26.680 at the end of, it, right and and just like the, 2741 02:18:26.840 --> 02:18:29.879 LEVEL i, mean there's a couple you, know scuffs in, 2742 02:18:29.920 --> 02:18:31.879 there there's a couple of bus stops and guys that 2743 02:18:31.920 --> 02:18:35.040 are really compete and really want to want to turn things. 2744 02:18:35.079 --> 02:18:37.520 Around and so for, me, LIKE i feel so proud 2745 02:18:38.040 --> 02:18:40.159 of this. Group whilst we haven't been able to score, 2746 02:18:40.239 --> 02:18:42.399 goals it's not from a lack of, trying and it's 2747 02:18:42.440 --> 02:18:45.079 not not from a lack of creating really good. Opportunities 2748 02:18:45.360 --> 02:18:48.239 it's just that final piece which at times takes you, 2749 02:18:48.239 --> 02:18:50.600 know a bit of, instinct a bit of, luck a 2750 02:18:50.600 --> 02:18:53.639 bit of. Fortune but the way they've applied themselves and you, 2751 02:18:53.719 --> 02:18:56.079 know in the last two weeks has been, fantastic and 2752 02:18:56.120 --> 02:18:59.200 So i'm really looking forward to a spirited performance this 2753 02:18:59.280 --> 02:19:00.079 weekend against these. 2754 02:19:00.040 --> 02:19:03.280 See only two matches this month based off of these 2755 02:19:03.559 --> 02:19:06.440 tough sledding and you, know lack of health and. Such 2756 02:19:06.479 --> 02:19:08.680 do you view that as a good thing or do 2757 02:19:08.719 --> 02:19:11.159 you view that as something you wish was a little 2758 02:19:11.159 --> 02:19:12.920 bit different so you can maybe go get some more. 2759 02:19:12.920 --> 02:19:16.920 Points, yeah, no you, KNOW i really don't spend too 2760 02:19:16.959 --> 02:19:20.040 much time on things that are beyond my. Control you, 2761 02:19:20.040 --> 02:19:23.200 KNOW i think you, Know dom won't be, Available loota 2762 02:19:23.200 --> 02:19:24.840 won't be, available and those are two guys that have 2763 02:19:24.840 --> 02:19:28.239 been playing playing really well the last few. Games so 2764 02:19:28.760 --> 02:19:30.520 it could be is a good thing and bad, thing who. 2765 02:19:30.559 --> 02:19:32.799 Knows but what it is is an opportunity for other 2766 02:19:32.840 --> 02:19:36.440 guys to chip, in you, know stake acclaim in a, 2767 02:19:36.479 --> 02:19:40.520 position make it competitive so that when everyone gets, back 2768 02:19:40.559 --> 02:19:42.760 we have a team that's that's even stronger than they 2769 02:19:43.040 --> 02:19:45.440 than we were when when those guys left the. 2770 02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:45.920 Group so. 2771 02:19:47.360 --> 02:19:48.959 If we have two, matches we got to take them 2772 02:19:48.959 --> 02:19:50.959 on the right way and make sure that you, know 2773 02:19:50.959 --> 02:19:54.680 we have fifteen points typically forty five, points we'll see 2774 02:19:54.680 --> 02:19:56.799 you into the. Playoffs that means we need to win 2775 02:19:56.799 --> 02:19:58.639 ten games in the second part of the. Season so 2776 02:19:59.399 --> 02:20:01.639 ten of our steps seen games are at, home, right 2777 02:20:01.680 --> 02:20:03.360 and this is this is my pitch to the. Group 2778 02:20:03.440 --> 02:20:05.719 this is so it's black and white. Here we need ten. 2779 02:20:05.719 --> 02:20:07.639 Games we need to win ten, games right and we 2780 02:20:07.680 --> 02:20:10.920 have we Have we've let ourselves down at home and you, 2781 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:14.360 know there's been some crazy things that have. Happened, however 2782 02:20:14.760 --> 02:20:16.879 that we can control our own destiny, here and so 2783 02:20:17.479 --> 02:20:20.719 our focus is on winning ten. Games we have ten at. 2784 02:20:20.719 --> 02:20:24.159 Home those are ten great games to shoot at and 2785 02:20:24.280 --> 02:20:26.319 uh and then if obviously if we drop any, points 2786 02:20:26.360 --> 02:20:28.079 we got to make them up away from. Home and 2787 02:20:28.120 --> 02:20:30.520 so we have seven games to do. That even though 2788 02:20:30.520 --> 02:20:33.719 it hasn't worked out and the task might be a bit, 2789 02:20:33.799 --> 02:20:36.639 DAUNTING i believe that we have the. Spirit and then 2790 02:20:36.840 --> 02:20:40.799 obviously we have another window where we can, hopefully you, 2791 02:20:40.840 --> 02:20:44.639 know add some add some different players into the roster 2792 02:20:44.879 --> 02:20:48.600 to hopefully bolster a team that's in really good. 2793 02:20:48.639 --> 02:20:50.399 Form all, right last thing That i'll set you. 2794 02:20:50.440 --> 02:20:53.239 LOSE i appreciate the thirty thousand foot, view AND i 2795 02:20:53.360 --> 02:20:55.879 like it through that prism of understanding what the math looks. 2796 02:20:55.959 --> 02:20:59.040 Like but it does feel Like saturday is bigger than 2797 02:20:59.079 --> 02:21:02.239 most regular season matches as it is getting late. Early 2798 02:21:03.040 --> 02:21:05.399 is there any extra added, emphasis extra added. 2799 02:21:05.159 --> 02:21:06.479 Weight to go get three On. 2800 02:21:06.520 --> 02:21:10.840 Saturday juxtaposed to what you said about the macro, Approach, yeah. 2801 02:21:10.760 --> 02:21:13.079 No, AGAIN i think the other the other important thing 2802 02:21:13.120 --> 02:21:16.840 is is, like you, Know I'M i was an older, 2803 02:21:16.879 --> 02:21:20.200 player AND i can handle pressure really really. Well it's 2804 02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:23.280 it's not it's that was never an. Issue my thing 2805 02:21:23.280 --> 02:21:27.920 with this group is like completely staying focused on everyone 2806 02:21:28.040 --> 02:21:30.200 doing their. Jobs you, KNOW i think when you're in these, 2807 02:21:30.239 --> 02:21:32.920 moments you have certain players that want to do more 2808 02:21:32.959 --> 02:21:35.799 than and and and forget to do their own job. 2809 02:21:36.239 --> 02:21:38.280 Right SO i believe that if we have eleven guys 2810 02:21:38.559 --> 02:21:40.479 that are all committed to doing their job to the 2811 02:21:40.520 --> 02:21:42.479 best of their, abilities it'll put us in a great 2812 02:21:42.479 --> 02:21:44.879 position to win this game at the, weekend as opposed to, saying, hey, 2813 02:21:44.959 --> 02:21:47.680 guys we really really need this. Game we you, know 2814 02:21:47.760 --> 02:21:50.479 and and AND i Got i'm always careful of the 2815 02:21:50.479 --> 02:21:53.719 WAY i speak to them because, again IF i say 2816 02:21:53.719 --> 02:21:55.680 we really really need to do, this it means they 2817 02:21:55.760 --> 02:21:57.719 might interpret that as, OH i need to do someone 2818 02:21:57.719 --> 02:22:00.559 else's job. Right so just to be really clear with, 2819 02:22:00.600 --> 02:22:03.040 them saying, listen if you're a center, back just then 2820 02:22:03.079 --> 02:22:05.559 the right. Way if you're an a talking player make, 2821 02:22:05.639 --> 02:22:08.840 plays and if ever in the pivot's doing a little 2822 02:22:08.840 --> 02:22:10.639 bit of, everything and if we have everyone doing a, 2823 02:22:10.760 --> 02:22:12.840 JOB i feel like we'll be in a good position 2824 02:22:13.360 --> 02:22:16.879 to break the, snide start a good run of, games 2825 02:22:16.920 --> 02:22:19.200 and hopefully find ourselves in the playoff. 2826 02:22:19.200 --> 02:22:21.680 Positions all, right, buddy we'll good to catch up with, 2827 02:22:21.719 --> 02:22:23.479 you pulling for as, always good luck On. 2828 02:22:23.520 --> 02:22:24.319 Saturday we'll chat. 2829 02:22:24.319 --> 02:22:26.239 Too, thanks bench appreciate. 2830 02:22:26.280 --> 02:22:28.840 It Bud, Okay Pablo Mastjoni ursa with a big. One 2831 02:22:28.920 --> 02:22:30.360 they need points, badly. 2832 02:22:31.559 --> 02:22:31.680 All. 2833 02:22:31.719 --> 02:22:36.479 RIGHT Nba Finals game three Tonight Gainsbridge Field, House, Indianapolis. 2834 02:22:36.520 --> 02:22:40.120 Indiana it's the FIRST Nba finals game that market has 2835 02:22:40.159 --> 02:22:42.799 seen since the year two, thousand when it Was Reggie 2836 02:22:42.840 --> 02:22:46.319 miller and Those Indiana. Pacers Oklahoma city is a five 2837 02:22:46.360 --> 02:22:48.559 point five point, favorite even though they're on the, road 2838 02:22:48.600 --> 02:22:51.280 which Indicates vegas thinks there should be kind of a heavy. 2839 02:22:51.319 --> 02:22:55.360 Favorite winner tonight will be in a definitely in an excellent. 2840 02:22:55.399 --> 02:22:57.360 Spot eighty six percent of the time the winners Of 2841 02:22:57.360 --> 02:23:00.639 game three have gone on to win THE Nba. Finals, 2842 02:23:01.360 --> 02:23:02.920 porter what's you got to tell you about where we're? 2843 02:23:02.920 --> 02:23:04.959 AT i you, know when you look at the ninety 2844 02:23:05.000 --> 02:23:08.120 six minutes of combined. Play okay see more or less 2845 02:23:08.159 --> 02:23:12.200 has been the better team for ninety minutes of that. 2846 02:23:12.319 --> 02:23:14.680 Situation you never want to say never and things like. 2847 02:23:14.719 --> 02:23:17.440 This it still feels insurmountable to me For. Indiana but 2848 02:23:17.479 --> 02:23:19.479 what you got to tell you about the finals, now, yeah. 2849 02:23:19.319 --> 02:23:23.079 Not not necessarily insurmountable in my, eyes but definitely en. 2850 02:23:23.120 --> 02:23:26.719 Up he'll climb For for The, pacers they need a 2851 02:23:26.760 --> 02:23:30.799 little bit of you, know balls bouncing in their. Direction 2852 02:23:31.000 --> 02:23:35.239 they need, frankly they need phild goals shooting to be 2853 02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:38.479 good And. SPENCE i think the big, key As i've, 2854 02:23:38.479 --> 02:23:40.840 said you, know early in the, series and AS i 2855 02:23:40.879 --> 02:23:45.280 thought was the deciding factor In game, two it Is 2856 02:23:45.600 --> 02:23:52.079 indiana's you, know backcourt. Ability Andrew, Nemhart Pascal. Siakam you 2857 02:23:52.159 --> 02:23:54.840 go down the list with the guys you throw AT, 2858 02:23:55.120 --> 02:23:58.719 sga you, know With Nate smith and Even haliburton at. 2859 02:23:58.760 --> 02:24:02.159 Times if if you can knock him off his, pace 2860 02:24:02.280 --> 02:24:05.440 if you can get him to you, know not be 2861 02:24:05.600 --> 02:24:09.479 playing the pick and roll offense that okay see wants 2862 02:24:09.520 --> 02:24:13.479 him getting into the, paint getting to the rim and 2863 02:24:13.520 --> 02:24:15.920 to the free throw, line THEN i think you have a. 2864 02:24:16.000 --> 02:24:19.520 Chance but if Shake Gilges alexander is just kind of 2865 02:24:19.520 --> 02:24:23.760 allowed to play his, offense his. Tempo there's just no 2866 02:24:24.280 --> 02:24:28.440 answer For, indiana AND i don't think they really have 2867 02:24:29.120 --> 02:24:31.680 enough in the tank the star power for o. Case 2868 02:24:31.719 --> 02:24:34.239 he's just too. Good but ULTIMATELY i do think that's 2869 02:24:34.319 --> 02:24:36.879 kind of the main thing you look at is their 2870 02:24:36.920 --> 02:24:40.000 ability to kind of knock him off his, spot because 2871 02:24:40.040 --> 02:24:44.360 he felt and looked really comfortable In game. Two kind 2872 02:24:44.360 --> 02:24:46.399 of OPPOSITE i think of what they did to him 2873 02:24:46.760 --> 02:24:47.319 late In game. 2874 02:24:47.360 --> 02:24:50.000 One New York knicks have been denied permission to speak 2875 02:24:50.000 --> 02:24:53.799 To Jason, Kidd Chris, Finch Emi, udoka and Now Quinn, 2876 02:24:53.840 --> 02:24:58.360 snyder oh for four their quest to find their new. 2877 02:24:58.399 --> 02:25:01.840 COACH i can't imagine what sports talk radio is like 2878 02:25:01.879 --> 02:25:05.840 In New york. Today smitty And, gordy you're. Free seriously wait, wait, 2879 02:25:05.879 --> 02:25:06.440 wait hold. 2880 02:25:06.280 --> 02:25:06.799 On you want some? 2881 02:25:06.799 --> 02:25:09.840 Guys, no, no, NO i deny them permission to speak 2882 02:25:09.879 --> 02:25:10.600 to Either smitty Or. 2883 02:25:10.600 --> 02:25:14.559 Gordy oh really they worked for? Us, okay, okay just 2884 02:25:14.600 --> 02:25:15.000 add to the. 2885 02:25:15.040 --> 02:25:18.440 List Iike, WOODSON i really don't know how this thing's gonna. 2886 02:25:18.479 --> 02:25:20.399 END i, MEAN i figured it at this point we 2887 02:25:20.440 --> 02:25:23.440 would hear more about former, You Johnny bryant after he 2888 02:25:23.520 --> 02:25:24.840 did not get The Phoenix sun's. 2889 02:25:24.920 --> 02:25:26.719 Job maybe they'll look in that. 2890 02:25:26.680 --> 02:25:29.440 Direction but just a pathetic display from an owner who 2891 02:25:29.479 --> 02:25:31.719 has never been able to figure this thing. Out AND 2892 02:25:31.760 --> 02:25:34.760 i think he's on the team for twenty seven years 2893 02:25:34.799 --> 02:25:37.559 now twenty. Sixty he inherited a great situation and blew. 2894 02:25:37.600 --> 02:25:40.600 IT i might be a little biased, there all, Right, 2895 02:25:40.600 --> 02:25:43.680 porter time To Saga night to turn over our coverage 2896 02:25:43.920 --> 02:25:46.799 to our friends AT Espn radio for THE Nba Finals game? 2897 02:25:46.840 --> 02:25:49.319 Three what comes our way on A thursday edition of 2898 02:25:49.360 --> 02:25:49.840 the radio. 2899 02:25:49.879 --> 02:25:53.479 Show on A thursday edition Of The, Drive Andy larson stops. 2900 02:25:53.479 --> 02:25:55.920 By of, course we will talk some jazz, OFFSEASON Nba, 2901 02:25:55.959 --> 02:26:00.000 finals maybe SOME rsl With andy as, WELL Nba Daily 2902 02:26:00.040 --> 02:26:03.520 assists with our Guy Howard. 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