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<v Speaker 1>Hey everyone, it's Nicole and I'm Bet and you are

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<v Speaker 1>listening to Wickeding, a.

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<v Speaker 2>True crime podcast Morning Material.

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<v Speaker 3>Audience listener, nailed it, you're good.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a bit of a.

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<v Speaker 2>Blooper blooper intro like huge, definitely not our first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but we got it on the second second try.

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<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. Don't give me no side eyes. I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>give you a day you were judging me. I did

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<v Speaker 2>not give you a side out, so I thought I

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<v Speaker 2>fucked up.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's because you're sitting off to my side a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm probably that's probably honestly what it is, So don't then.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry. I looked at you in your direction. What's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>What's shaken?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm starting us off with a joke. Let's hear

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<v Speaker 2>it like it's a Halloween joke. Yes, and I'm going

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<v Speaker 2>to see if you You probably actually get it because

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<v Speaker 2>you're like the joke king.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like the joke joking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, why don't mummies take time off?

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't mummies take time up? It's gonna have something

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<v Speaker 1>to do with their rap and mummy rap or something.

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<v Speaker 1>Why don't they take time off? I don't know. Why

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<v Speaker 1>don't mummies take time.

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<v Speaker 2>Off they're afraid to unwine? Yeah, you actually were pretty close.

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<v Speaker 2>Good work.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh thank you. That was a good joke. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a good joke. I don't like that one.

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<v Speaker 2>I really like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well done, well done. What else do we have to

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<v Speaker 1>drop in this? Oh? Okay, we got to thank patrons because,

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<v Speaker 1>as you know, listening to the last episode, we we

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<v Speaker 1>dropped a Patreon page and from not we didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>post on social media nothing yet, but we have seven patrons.

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<v Speaker 1>We gotta thank who all went for the all access

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<v Speaker 1>patron pass.

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<v Speaker 2>That is so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you to Amanda Howitt, Stacey Hazelton, Jamie Worthin.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm really sorry if I'm pronouncing your names wrong because

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>Not well known.

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan Alerugler, how do you how do you say that?

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<v Speaker 2>Holy Hannah? Ben I thought you were prayer? Can I see?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, Morgan. We're so sorry, but we.

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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, we seriously appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 1>Sheila d Danis Later and Samantha, thank you very much.

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<v Speaker 1>All you guys. You guys made our day.

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<v Speaker 2>You're awesome, Like, honestly, that did make our day.

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<v Speaker 1>It did. Yeah, that's incredible that we're getting such support

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<v Speaker 1>from you guys. So thank you, so.

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<v Speaker 2>So much from the bottom of our hearts.

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<v Speaker 1>In the bottom of our little wicked hearts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes sorry, it was my mic, just a little echo

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<v Speaker 2>be there when I.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's all good, it's all good. But all these

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<v Speaker 1>patrons are going to get some awesome stuff like Drunk,

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<v Speaker 1>Wicked and Graham coming up this month, and we put

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<v Speaker 1>out a little post there asking what we should do

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<v Speaker 1>for Drunk, Wicked and Graham like a case, which is pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool that they actually get to nominate stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>It definitely fun. They're going to get that like priority

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<v Speaker 1>kind of access pass when when we're looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>requested case. We do have requested cases that we've taken

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<v Speaker 1>from Instagram messages all that sort of stuff lots, but

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<v Speaker 1>if we're really looking for one, we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to them for that priority recommendation sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Perfect.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one that we're getting requested that I think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to go with is like the most haunted

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<v Speaker 1>place in Canada. We need to look up what that is.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was like, I was just going to ask you,

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<v Speaker 2>do you know what that is?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is yet. No, we got

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<v Speaker 1>to figure that out.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's probably a couple. I bet you there's a

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<v Speaker 2>one top one.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll figure it out. But Jamie Wherethan was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who recommended that, and we're going to go with that.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you Jamie.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, boom, what else have you got anything else to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about? I got like a leader of ice coffee.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we're both drinking ice coffee. So we just

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<v Speaker 2>have this sound going on to It's delicious, which is

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<v Speaker 2>super fun. Okay, I don't think so we get to roll.

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<v Speaker 2>We can probably just die right in here.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do it. Let's let's just headfirst into the case.

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<v Speaker 1>What are we rocking?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness? Are we ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Are we?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm ready? Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 1>Like spaghetti if it's cooked properly. If it's uncooked, then

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<v Speaker 1>it's not very ready.

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<v Speaker 2>But also spaghetti is like better the second day. What no, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 2>it like absorbs the flavors. It's an own thing. Lots

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<v Speaker 2>of soup is better the second day.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, soup, not spaghetti. The sauce might have like more

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<v Speaker 1>the sauce maybe, but not the spaghetti. Noodles and not the.

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<v Speaker 2>Noodles that's what you were talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think of spaghetti, I think of the sauce, but I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Talking about spaghetti noodles being uncooked. Oh word, Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 1>just let's just get when I was like spaghetti, I

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<v Speaker 1>was like talking like a cook spaghetti noodle.

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<v Speaker 2>Five minutes in and we're already going downhill. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a song. We gotta start here. Okay, okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to start the story off by sharing

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly Martin's story. Kelly, do tell that? I said.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I interrupted you to say do you

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<v Speaker 1>tell at the same time, like what.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh. Kelly was a wife and mother to two beautiful girls.

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<v Speaker 2>She was a school librarian who was described as making

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<v Speaker 2>every single person she came into contact with feels special

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<v Speaker 2>and important, which right away, I'm just like, I love her.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>People up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, I just wish more people did that. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>she loved Christmas. It was one of her favorite times

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<v Speaker 2>of year, which I also loved because I also love Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas is dope.

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<v Speaker 2>She would, however, have an accident one particular Christmas, retrieving

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<v Speaker 2>decorations from the attic her husband handed her a box

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<v Speaker 2>and she went down the ladder. As she was going

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<v Speaker 2>down the ladder, she missed the step below her, causing

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<v Speaker 2>her to fall backwards, which is like, eek, because we

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<v Speaker 2>have a ladder, and I think about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Often because we have a ladder.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, no, we like in our tiny home, like our

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<v Speaker 2>loft is one of them is a ladder, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>it sketches me out. I'm always like, you can't touch

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<v Speaker 2>me when I'm on the ladder because.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean it's fair scary. Ladders are like a

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<v Speaker 1>very high accident prone thing, especially in the workplace and

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<v Speaker 1>stuff like. That's a lot of incidents happen in the ladders.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and like ours going up and down with socks

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<v Speaker 2>scares me as slippery. It's just like so I was

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<v Speaker 2>just like, oh my goodness, this poor lady, like she fell.

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<v Speaker 2>So she went through the holiday season exercising her back,

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<v Speaker 2>even doing some physical therapy, but her new found back

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<v Speaker 2>pain would not seem to go away. Wanting to be

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<v Speaker 2>pain free once again and be able to enjoy a

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<v Speaker 2>drop of tropical vacation with her husband, Kelly would meet

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Christopher Dunch. Does that name ring a bell to you?

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<v Speaker 1>It does not, but I know slightly of this case,

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<v Speaker 1>so I know who it's probably going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>So doctor Dunch was a new hot shot neurosurgeon with

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<v Speaker 2>a very impressive resume, a catchy infomercial, and a five

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<v Speaker 2>star rating. She would select him to perform the surgery

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<v Speaker 2>she needed to get rid of her back. Name when

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<v Speaker 2>she needed. What she needed done was described as a

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<v Speaker 2>very simple surgery, very routine. The surgery was to repair

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<v Speaker 2>a torn piece of disk material compressing the nerves in

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<v Speaker 2>her back. The surgery would take place at Baylor Regional

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<v Speaker 2>Medical Center. During Kelly's surgery, she would start profusely bleeding.

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<v Speaker 2>Her routine surgery turned into a medical emergency. Not good.

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<v Speaker 2>The anisethologist who almost Butcher that was expressing concern over

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<v Speaker 2>and over again during the procedure that he could not

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<v Speaker 2>get her blood pressure up. She was continuing to lose

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<v Speaker 2>more and more blood, with her breathing becoming labored, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was growing paler by the minute. Just all around,

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<v Speaker 2>not a good situation. She was drastically deteriorating the whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor Dunch did not address the situation, maintaining that Kelly

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<v Speaker 2>was okay. She however, was not okay, and was later

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced dead.

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<v Speaker 1>So bitch dang that awe sucks.

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<v Speaker 2>Kelly had bled to death. Doctor Dunch had cut a

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<v Speaker 2>blood vessel and tore a hole in a vein, causing

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<v Speaker 2>this routine surgery to rather be a medical emergency with

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<v Speaker 2>a terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Outcome that was not addressed. You just let it go.

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<v Speaker 2>As the medical team went to inform Kelly's family, they

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<v Speaker 2>just knew from the looks on their faces that gives

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<v Speaker 2>me shifvers. Doctor Dunch would, however, never make eye contact

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<v Speaker 2>with them, but rather just looked down at the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>This family had lost their mother, and this was not

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<v Speaker 2>doctor Dunch's first incident, but rather his first surgery back

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<v Speaker 2>after being demoted to performing only minor procedures, when just

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<v Speaker 2>a few months earlier he had paralyzed his closest friend,

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<v Speaker 2>Jerry Summers, in another botch surgery that left him a quadriplegic.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, this, my friends, is the cruel story of

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<v Speaker 2>the victims of doctor Christopher Dunch, also known as doctor

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<v Speaker 2>d or doctor Death. A person in a position of

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<v Speaker 2>power taking advantage of people in moments of complete weakness.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one hell of a pseudonym.

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<v Speaker 2>Doc Death, Doctor Death. You imagine if that was like

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<v Speaker 2>holy fuck? Oh like just cringe. So in this man

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<v Speaker 2>of less than two years, doctor Death injured thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>out of his thirty eight patients. That's an eighty seven

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<v Speaker 2>percent outcome of getting fucked up by this guy. Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, thank you? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>We moved from one hospital to another until his medical

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<v Speaker 2>license was suspended and finally revoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. How many patients did he have to go through

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<v Speaker 1>before it was revoked?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we'll get there. Okay, Okay, we'll get there.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So Christopher Dunch. I was going to refer to

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<v Speaker 2>him as doctor D this whole time.

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<v Speaker 1>Can we call him doctor Douche?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we like doctor D or do we like doctor Death?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you like doctor D? Could be like a porn name,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'll go back and forth. Okay, so doctor D.

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<v Speaker 2>Christopher Dunch was born sorry go ahead. Was born in

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<v Speaker 2>Montana and spent most of his youth in Memphis, Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 2>His father was a physical therapist and his mother stayed home.

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<v Speaker 2>In high school, he was a football star after graduation. Graduating,

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<v Speaker 2>he would initially attend a small college in Mississippi to

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<v Speaker 2>play football, later transferring to color Colorado State University. Though

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<v Speaker 2>he trained harder than anyone, he lacked talent to the

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<v Speaker 1>Wholy, I'm grim if we don't Butcher pronunciating.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you got this, you got this, and it's like, okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So he completed his neural ner Holy for now, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>totally different. So sorry, neurological, Yeah, maybe I need some more. Okay, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So neural surgery, oh, Man Regency program.

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<v Speaker 2>So he completed that whatever the ship it was the

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<v Speaker 2>After graduating doctor d, focused heavily on the PhD half

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<v Speaker 2>glowing resume. He would eventually decide to turn to neurosurgery

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<v Speaker 2>and it was an as it was an extremely lucrative field,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was five hundred thousand dollars in debt. So

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, not the most terrible of reasons to choose

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<v Speaker 2>but there probably could have been better reasons for him

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, generally people choose their occupation for an income.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he could have. He could have, but I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, like you say, money makes the world go round.

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<v Speaker 2>It does it unfortunately does. So he moved to Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>Plano as a minimally minimally invasive spine surgeont with his salary.

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<v Speaker 2>His salary, you ready for this? Six hundred ges per

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<v Speaker 2>year plus bonuses, wowsers.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I have some deal like that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's like a lot? Eh?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we could buy so much Halloween candy with that.

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<v Speaker 2>We already buy so much Halloween gets a problem. It's delicious, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So this brings us to doctor D's first patient at

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<v Speaker 2>Baylor Plano, which is Kenneth Fannell. After Kenneth's surgery, he

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong part of his back. And this he did this often,

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<v Speaker 2>like literally, does not diagnose where the pain is properly

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<v Speaker 2>on someone's back. The pain he was experienced experiencing was

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<v Speaker 2>getting worse, so Kenneth needed a second surgery and he

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<v Speaker 2>went back to doctor D. I'm pretty sure I'd be

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<v Speaker 2>like fuck you and this one would leave him paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 2>After doctor D removed a part of his ephemeral nerve,

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<v Speaker 2>it took Kenneth months of rehabilitation to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>walk with a cane, still not being able to walk

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<v Speaker 2>more than thirty feet or stand more than a few

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a lawsuit in the fucking half.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit, Yeah, like he sucked him away up, that's

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<v Speaker 2>just the beginning. So on December thirtieth, twenty eleven, Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Passmore was referred to doctor D by his pains specialist.

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<v Speaker 2>During the surgery, it was observed that doctor D cut

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<v Speaker 2>a ligament around Lee's spinal cord that wouldn't normally be

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<v Speaker 2>touched during this type of procedure. He also misplaced hardware

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<v Speaker 2>in his spine and stripped the screw that kept the

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<v Speaker 2>hardware in place, making the device so it could not

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<v Speaker 2>be removed.

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<v Speaker 1>What the fuck?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Dis you?

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<v Speaker 2>Wait? Vascular surgeon Mark Howell, who was assisting doctor D

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<v Speaker 2>with the surgery, was so disturbed by his actions that

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<v Speaker 2>he later vowed to never go into another operating room

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<v Speaker 2>with this man.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy oh wow, I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>Speechless and Okay, I find that like so interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind at this point, like this is a

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<v Speaker 2>new doctor, Like wouldn't he be getting reviewed or something,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's a bold statement coming from another surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>No kidding, And like there's it's not like just one

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<v Speaker 1>accident has happened so far. This is we're already on

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<v Speaker 1>multiple occasions. Why is nothing happening yet?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Have there at this point I'm sure you might get

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<v Speaker 1>into this, but have there even been any lawsuits yet?

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<v Speaker 2>No? Not as far as I know.

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<v Speaker 1>That might be why because it's like, oh, well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not a big of a deal and there's nothing really

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<v Speaker 1>to go against him. M It's like and it's sad

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<v Speaker 1>to say, as it is, it's very much so similar

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<v Speaker 1>to like rape victims. If someone is out there raping individuals,

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<v Speaker 1>he's not going to go to prison or get caught

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<v Speaker 1>or anything unless someone speaks up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And lots of these people didn't know that he

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<v Speaker 2>had like prior incidents either, so they thought there was

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<v Speaker 2>just a one off and maybe it just went wrong

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever. And then doctor G was also like a

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<v Speaker 2>out of situations pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Y Holy fuck.

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<v Speaker 2>So Lee was left with chronic pain and had a

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<v Speaker 2>difficult time walking. Not even a month later, in January

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twelve, Barry morgulof I'm pretty sure, is how

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<v Speaker 2>you say that, would find himself on doctor D's table,

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<v Speaker 2>his procedure being a spinal fusion. He had injured his

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<v Speaker 2>back unloading trucks and could no longer walk without pain.

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<v Speaker 2>Doctor D vowed to help him. Oh, of course, very

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<v Speaker 2>Barry quoting I can fix you was like a magic word. Boom,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all I heard. I thought that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to be the man to help me walk again, and

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<v Speaker 2>just decide I wanted to do a little side note

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to dig a little deeper into this case,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a docu series on Peacock. Have you heard of that.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what that was at first, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's like a streaming service in the US. And

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<v Speaker 2>the series is called Doctor Death and it has like

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<v Speaker 2>some big names in there. Joshua Jackson. Do you know

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<v Speaker 2>who that is?

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<v Speaker 1>H Yeah, I'm actually I'm looking at it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh gosh, As you were talking, like, I wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>there's been a movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this guy yet Christian Slater and Alec Baldwin, just

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<v Speaker 2>to name a few. And I was initially so bummed

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<v Speaker 2>because I was trying to find this and it didn't

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<v Speaker 2>seem like it was available in Canada because the Peacock

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<v Speaker 2>streaming thing is just us. But then the Global TV

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<v Speaker 2>ap pass it and.

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<v Speaker 1>It's The first episode air date was July fifteenth, twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 2>One, so it's like, yeah, it's this year. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>I just wanted to throw that out there, and that

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<v Speaker 2>show was based off a podcast series with the same name,

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<v Speaker 2>So some of the quotes and stuff that I have

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<v Speaker 2>in this is from articles from the Peacock docuseriies just

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<v Speaker 2>to throw it out there. I know what I'm doing

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. I'm gonna watch that. I think it'd be

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<v Speaker 2>so sweet. Okay, So now, during this procedure, there was

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<v Speaker 2>yet another fellow doctor assisting in the surgery. His name

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<v Speaker 2>was Randal Kirby, and he would say doctor D was

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<v Speaker 2>performing at a first or second year neurosurgical resident level

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<v Speaker 2>and had no apparent insight into how bad his technique

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<v Speaker 2>really was. Holy shit, yeah, he Doctor Kirby would later

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<v Speaker 2>write to the Texas Medical Board that doctor D had

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<v Speaker 2>problems throughout the simple procedure, nicking the patient's vertebrae artery

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<v Speaker 2>and having difficulty moving the plate into the proper place. Like, yikes, this.

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<v Speaker 1>Is literally something out of a fucking horror movie.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, I mean, did doctor Death not give

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<v Speaker 2>you all indication enough?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not okay going into this so far. My expectation was, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>doctor Death, it was gonna be something similar to I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember her name, but that.

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<v Speaker 2>That nurse, that Elizabeth Wettlawfer.

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<v Speaker 1>I was kind of expecting something like that, where he

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<v Speaker 1>had this obsession with like killing people on purpose.

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<v Speaker 2>He's just I think he's just shit at his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he just thinks he's all this and he's just

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<v Speaker 1>not even close. He's just a fuck horrible doctor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's worse than someone who just

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<v Speaker 1>is purposely doing it or not. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 1>would be worse.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, At first I was going to say someone

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<v Speaker 2>purposely doing it, but then I don't know, because I.

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<v Speaker 1>Mean, morally, clearly, someone purposely injuring someone is worse clearly,

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<v Speaker 1>But on a level of him talking to people and

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<v Speaker 1>getting their hopes of I can fix you. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>then not even having any sort of skills to even

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<v Speaker 1>come close to backing that up.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, because at some point you got to know if

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<v Speaker 2>you're bad at something too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Really, so he's giving all this hope to people

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<v Speaker 1>and then just crushingly in.

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<v Speaker 2>Their dreams, making them more so when they came in.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So that that is horrible, Like, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So unfortunately, here I go. Perry would end up

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<v Speaker 2>with no feeling in his left leg. He said he

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<v Speaker 2>was also left with bone fragments from his vertebrate lodged

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<v Speaker 2>into the nerves of his back and pain now rules

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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 2>At a follow up appointment Barry had with doctor D Oops,

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<v Speaker 2>he was showing clear signs. Doctor d was showing clear

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<v Speaker 2>signs of being like high or in him what is

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<v Speaker 2>that word in himbriand ineborated, yeah, cause and this caused

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<v Speaker 2>Barry to walk out, so like he was either like

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<v Speaker 2>drunk or high or something. Wow, Like that's fucked that

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<v Speaker 2>that right there actually scares me more. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you imagine going and seeing a specialist and they're

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<v Speaker 2>like not taking your appointments serious and high on drugs

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<v Speaker 2>or like drunk, Like, oh my gosh, I would just freak.

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<v Speaker 2>So one very interesting tidbit is that a typical neurosurgery

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<v Speaker 2>pretty sens to varies, right like brain, spinal cord kind

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, fewer than fifty.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, you went that low. You're supposed to have

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<v Speaker 2>a one thousand, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was just like, okay, like is this with

428
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<v Speaker 1>his with his skill level, I'm expecting he like.

429
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<v Speaker 2>Just yeah, so he did fewer than one hundred.

430
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<v Speaker 1>Okay, well I'm not that far off.

431
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<v Speaker 2>I know, but I actually didn't think you'd go that low.

432
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<v Speaker 2>So the fact, because I was.

433
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<v Speaker 1>Like shocked, Well he's pretty shit.

434
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:51.519
<v Speaker 2>So okay, so how is this possible, you may ask? Well,

435
00:23:51.559 --> 00:23:55.720
<v Speaker 2>doctor D suffered from substance abuse, and it was brought

436
00:23:55.720 --> 00:23:59.720
<v Speaker 2>forward to the University of Tennessee following an anonymous complaint

437
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:03.079
<v Speaker 2>that came in. He was ordered by the university to

438
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.960
<v Speaker 2>take a drug test, but somehow was able to get

439
00:24:06.160 --> 00:24:09.359
<v Speaker 2>out of it. He was then sent to a program

440
00:24:09.440 --> 00:24:14.960
<v Speaker 2>for impaired physicians, but still allowed to complete his surgical training.

441
00:24:15.519 --> 00:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>It's unclear how thorough his training exactly was. Holy fuck,

442
00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:25.559
<v Speaker 2>it kind of seems like he slipped through the cracks lately.

443
00:24:26.640 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 2>But that's just like that is just some oh I mean,

444
00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:32.079
<v Speaker 2>no doctors, I guess you'd slip through the cracks. But

445
00:24:32.119 --> 00:24:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that's like one specialty that I'm like, oh my gosh,

446
00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:39.400
<v Speaker 2>like ugh, it's up there with like kneecaps and eyeballs.

447
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:40.920
<v Speaker 2>To me, what do you mean that's up there with

448
00:24:41.880 --> 00:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>having to like research about spinal cords. Like it's cringey, cringey.

449
00:24:46.559 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 2>I can't do it.

450
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<v Speaker 1>That's not cringey. That's just like gross.

451
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<v Speaker 2>Well, there's certain body parts that I'm just like a boat. Okay.

452
00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:58.960
<v Speaker 2>So doctor D's next victim, who I mentioned earlier when

453
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<v Speaker 2>sharing Kelly's story, would beat Jerry Summers. Jerry was actually

454
00:25:04.119 --> 00:25:08.279
<v Speaker 2>one of doctor D's closest friends, which I find incredibly

455
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<v Speaker 2>interesting because if you knew you were a shitty at

456
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<v Speaker 2>something like a shitty surgeon. Would you actually offer to

457
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<v Speaker 2>help your friend like they were close friends or does

458
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:19.759
<v Speaker 2>that just show how overconfident and how much of a

459
00:25:19.839 --> 00:25:21.319
<v Speaker 2>sociopath he really was?

460
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<v Speaker 1>That one, definitely that one.

461
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Jerry had chronic neck pain from a car accident, so

462
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<v Speaker 2>had asked his friend for help. Boy was that the

463
00:25:30.839 --> 00:25:34.319
<v Speaker 2>wrong decision because when he woke up, Jerry would find

464
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<v Speaker 2>himself a quadriplegic. Doctors who later reviewed the case determined

465
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<v Speaker 2>that doctor D had damaged Jerry's vertebrate artery during the surgery,

466
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:50.519
<v Speaker 2>which caused significant bleeding. What doctor D did to stop

467
00:25:50.559 --> 00:25:54.880
<v Speaker 2>the bleeding was packed the space with so much gelfoam

468
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:59.319
<v Speaker 2>that it constricted Jerry's spine. And basically from what I

469
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<v Speaker 2>could find, jelphonem was like a super absorbent compressed sponge

470
00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:07.079
<v Speaker 2>to help kind of clot blood and you can leave

471
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.559
<v Speaker 2>some of it in the body, but not an excessive

472
00:26:09.599 --> 00:26:14.599
<v Speaker 2>amount like he had. And this part is like, Hugh,

473
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:18.759
<v Speaker 2>really gross. He had also removed so much of Jerry's

474
00:26:18.799 --> 00:26:23.079
<v Speaker 2>bones bone that his head was no longer secure to

475
00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:30.640
<v Speaker 2>his body. What what like, it's just it's just it's

476
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:31.519
<v Speaker 2>too much.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Holy shit.

478
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, reading that, I was almost like, this has to

479
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>be like a joke, like this is just too too far. Wow,

480
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:48.240
<v Speaker 2>too far, Jerry saying as soon as he had woke up,

481
00:26:48.559 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't move my arms or my legs. It felt

482
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:53.920
<v Speaker 2>like a big pile of bricks is on your body

483
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>and your head is sticking out. I knew something was wrong.

484
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<v Speaker 2>He was an intense pain, and I imagine, like Garrett

485
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.519
<v Speaker 2>is hell yeah, and he was the only thing he

486
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 2>had left his voice to call for help. He lived

487
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 2>to share his story, but it's been reported that Jerry

488
00:27:09.920 --> 00:27:13.079
<v Speaker 2>had passed away earlier this year due to an infection

489
00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:16.200
<v Speaker 2>connected to his status of being a quadriplegic.

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00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Wow, oh my god.

491
00:27:18.200 --> 00:27:22.160
<v Speaker 2>That is horrible and so like at the time that

492
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>they I don't know caught doctor D. I guess that

493
00:27:27.039 --> 00:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that death wasn't even like within his uns. Yeah, but

494
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.359
<v Speaker 2>so that's an incident that later happened, right.

495
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

496
00:27:35.960 --> 00:27:39.559
<v Speaker 2>So after this incident, doctor D was instructed to perform

497
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:44.440
<v Speaker 2>only minor procedures. I don't even know exactly what that means.

498
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.440
<v Speaker 2>But in my opinion, at what point can he just

499
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:52.799
<v Speaker 2>have his license taken away? Please? Yes, please, But I'm

500
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:55.759
<v Speaker 2>sure the process to remove a doctor from doctor status

501
00:27:55.839 --> 00:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>would be lengthy, take a whack of time, and cost

502
00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 2>a lot of money, all which medical facilities may not have.

503
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.319
<v Speaker 2>Kelly Martin, who I shared her story at the very beginning,

504
00:28:07.480 --> 00:28:12.359
<v Speaker 2>was his next surgical patient back from his little hiatus there,

505
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:15.440
<v Speaker 2>I guess, and in order to perform her surgery, he

506
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:22.720
<v Speaker 2>had to pass a psycholog legit evaluation, which he obviously did.

507
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.839
<v Speaker 2>He get passed, though, well, he wasn't like crazy, Are you.

508
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>Sure about that? He sounds pretty fucking nuts to me.

509
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:35.680
<v Speaker 2>And now, after Kelly's incident, surely you'd think this has

510
00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:38.640
<v Speaker 2>to be the end, but it's not. The hospital he

511
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>was working at at the time, Baylor Plano, Well, they

512
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:46.799
<v Speaker 2>conducted an investigation on doctor d and found that he

513
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:49.160
<v Speaker 2>would need to be let go as he failed to

514
00:28:49.200 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 2>meet their standards of care, obviously, but instead of firing him,

515
00:28:54.319 --> 00:28:58.559
<v Speaker 2>it's reported that he voluntarily resigned, and because of it

516
00:28:58.640 --> 00:29:04.079
<v Speaker 2>being a voluntary resis, the hospital was not required to

517
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>report doctor Dee's actions to the National Practitioner Data Bank

518
00:29:08.440 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 2>or the Texas Medical Board, therefore having none of his

519
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:13.839
<v Speaker 2>malepractices tracked.

520
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:20.319
<v Speaker 1>Wow, just what I mean? Yeah, okay, sure, it's easier. Oh okay,

521
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:23.839
<v Speaker 1>he resigns it's easy on us. But now like the

522
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:28.680
<v Speaker 1>shit storm you just cause for other people, Yep, Holy

523
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 1>fucked is that? Oh wow?

524
00:29:30.519 --> 00:29:34.279
<v Speaker 2>I feel like they don't have to report it, but

525
00:29:34.319 --> 00:29:36.519
<v Speaker 2>can they still report it?

526
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:37.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

527
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:40.359
<v Speaker 2>But then there was something about there that they didn't

528
00:29:40.359 --> 00:29:43.839
<v Speaker 2>want to be like sued because he could potentially then

529
00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>come back and like sue them, and then if it

530
00:29:46.799 --> 00:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>was wrongful like reporting, then I don't know the hospital

531
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:52.640
<v Speaker 2>like that. They don't want lawsuits, right. I think they

532
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:54.960
<v Speaker 2>probably already don't have a lot of money or something.

533
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:57.599
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, But still there has to just be

534
00:29:57.720 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 2>something like you're conscious you just have to report it,

535
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:03.960
<v Speaker 2>do you not?

536
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:08.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's you're dealing with people's lives, as simple

537
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>as that. And it's not even like you're dealing with

538
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>people's lives literally right now. You're dealing with people's lives

539
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:14.839
<v Speaker 1>in the futures that are going to be in the

540
00:30:14.880 --> 00:30:18.799
<v Speaker 1>hands of this fucking crazy Oh my god, Like this

541
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:19.799
<v Speaker 1>case is fun.

542
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.799
<v Speaker 2>It's an ethics thing really at some point. Yeah, So

543
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:27.079
<v Speaker 2>he rather just continued his career elsewhere in the state.

544
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:31.279
<v Speaker 2>He moving on quite quickly actually, to the Dallas Medical Center,

545
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:37.000
<v Speaker 2>where he was allowed to begin operating immediately, Holy grant you.

546
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.279
<v Speaker 2>He was only granted temporary privileges while his references were

547
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:44.400
<v Speaker 2>checked out, but in that time he was still able

548
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to do quite some damage. Floella Brown would be his

549
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>next victim. Floella was a banker who was about to

550
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.200
<v Speaker 2>retire and was hoping to ease her worsening back pain

551
00:30:56.279 --> 00:31:00.359
<v Speaker 2>going into retirement. It initially seemed like her PERCEI was

552
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:04.799
<v Speaker 2>going well, but again she started having excessive bleeding, to

553
00:31:04.880 --> 00:31:07.720
<v Speaker 2>the point where doctor D was complaining he couldn't see

554
00:31:08.119 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>there was so much blood.

555
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:14.119
<v Speaker 1>Holy shit, I oh, are you okay?

556
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:15.839
<v Speaker 2>Like you actually seem so agitated.

557
00:31:16.119 --> 00:31:20.119
<v Speaker 1>I'm extremely agitated on this one. Like I can't pick

558
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:21.799
<v Speaker 1>my job off the fucking floor.

559
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.680
<v Speaker 2>You seem so uncomfortable. Is there another reason you're uncomfortable?

560
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:29.640
<v Speaker 1>No, Like, I'm physically comfortable in my little fucking bean

561
00:31:29.680 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 1>bag up in this loft, But this case is just

562
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.359
<v Speaker 1>so fucked because.

563
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>You're like agitation levels are almost like causing me to

564
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.200
<v Speaker 2>be agitated, because I'm like, is everything okay? But you're

565
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:39.079
<v Speaker 2>so distraught.

566
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.799
<v Speaker 1>I just don't understand how he can just keep doing this. Yeah,

567
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.319
<v Speaker 1>like physically from a his standpoint of like I am

568
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:50.519
<v Speaker 1>hurting so many people. He should at one point just

569
00:31:50.559 --> 00:31:52.880
<v Speaker 1>be like, holy fuck, I'm a shit doctor. I should

570
00:31:52.920 --> 00:31:56.720
<v Speaker 1>probably either go back to school because I know I

571
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 1>slipped through the cracks mm hmm and learn this proper

572
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 1>or b I should step down. And the other side

573
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.559
<v Speaker 1>of it being that like when is someone going to

574
00:32:05.640 --> 00:32:08.079
<v Speaker 1>be like, dude, you are killing people and fucking up

575
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.079
<v Speaker 1>people's lives so much. Stop But nothing is happening.

576
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:16.319
<v Speaker 2>I know because at least with like Elizabeth Wetlawer, she

577
00:32:17.240 --> 00:32:20.839
<v Speaker 2>never got caught her. She was I think overdosing people

578
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 2>with insulin is remembering correctly, and so it would just

579
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:27.000
<v Speaker 2>it totally slipped through the cracks and no one else

580
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.119
<v Speaker 2>knew that she was doing terrible job. But in these situations,

581
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:34.039
<v Speaker 2>he is a room full when he's doing surgeries, and

582
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:37.240
<v Speaker 2>like everyone can see how terrible of a job he's doing.

583
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.119
<v Speaker 1>It's witness after witness after witness, and no one's doing anything,

584
00:32:41.640 --> 00:32:43.000
<v Speaker 1>no one's saying anything.

585
00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Yep, and it's just.

586
00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 1>People's lives and it's just it fucking hurts. Holy shit.

587
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:53.799
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, this is really I've We've done some fucked

588
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:56.680
<v Speaker 1>up cases that have gotten to me, and this is

589
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>probably one of the ones. That have gotten to me

590
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:01.359
<v Speaker 1>the most. This is up there with Junco for tour

591
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:02.039
<v Speaker 1>with for.

592
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Me like it. Holy moly, Ben Wow, Okay, so back

593
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:08.000
<v Speaker 2>to it.

594
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:08.759
<v Speaker 1>Sorry.

595
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Sorry.

596
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Rather than to abort the surgery, he continued on, they

597
00:33:13.079 --> 00:33:16.960
<v Speaker 2>closed Full Floella up and had her move to recovery,

598
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.119
<v Speaker 2>where she later was visited with family, reporting that she

599
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>had felt okay, but by the next morning she had

600
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.200
<v Speaker 2>taken a turn for the worse. Her body had started

601
00:33:29.359 --> 00:33:34.440
<v Speaker 2>convulsing and she lost consciousness. Doctor D who they were

602
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.880
<v Speaker 2>trying to reach, could not be reached four hours. And

603
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:40.400
<v Speaker 2>that thing pisses me off because it's like, if you're

604
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 2>doing surgeries and you have people in recovery. I mean,

605
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:46.799
<v Speaker 2>I know, like you don't want to be working twenty

606
00:33:46.799 --> 00:33:49.079
<v Speaker 2>for seven blah, but that's the job that you signed

607
00:33:49.160 --> 00:33:51.400
<v Speaker 2>up for, yeah, and you need to be available if

608
00:33:51.440 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>something goes so there.

609
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.559
<v Speaker 1>If I may go off slightly, here as an example

610
00:33:56.599 --> 00:34:00.240
<v Speaker 1>of a good doctor who is available for you. Of

611
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.160
<v Speaker 1>all doctors' names, my dentist's name is doctor Payne p

612
00:34:05.279 --> 00:34:10.000
<v Speaker 1>A y n. True story his legitimate name. I got

613
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:11.199
<v Speaker 1>my wisdom teeth pulled when I was.

614
00:34:11.159 --> 00:34:14.639
<v Speaker 2>Younger, and I was just going to say.

615
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Thirteenth, nonetheless by doctor Paine. He's a really good dentist,

616
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>really good guy, takes really good care and very careful,

617
00:34:21.039 --> 00:34:24.079
<v Speaker 1>awesome dentist. When I got my wisdom teeth pulled, he

618
00:34:24.239 --> 00:34:27.000
<v Speaker 1>was off on vacation or a wedding or something. He

619
00:34:27.079 --> 00:34:30.079
<v Speaker 1>was out of the province, across the fucking country. He

620
00:34:30.199 --> 00:34:34.960
<v Speaker 1>called me while he was not on the job to

621
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.480
<v Speaker 1>see how my recovery was doing.

622
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.000
<v Speaker 2>And not that that getting wisdom deed isn't a big deal,

623
00:34:40.039 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 2>but compared to these kind of surgeries, it's not really

624
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>a big deal. So that's impressive.

625
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:48.199
<v Speaker 1>Like the dentist stood aside from I can't remember if

626
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:51.079
<v Speaker 1>I think it was a wedding. He stood aside from

627
00:34:51.119 --> 00:34:54.199
<v Speaker 1>the wedding, called my mom to ask how my recovery

628
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>was going.

629
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<v Speaker 2>Which is amazing.

630
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:59.039
<v Speaker 1>That's what a good surgery a surgeon should be doing.

631
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Totally, totally. So he finally rolled into the hospital late

632
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 2>late for an elective surgery that he had and instead

633
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.760
<v Speaker 2>of canceling that elective surgery to attend to Floella, who

634
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:18.159
<v Speaker 2>was not doing well, he proceeded with his new surgery. Unfortunately,

635
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Floella would later die. She was moved to another hospital

636
00:35:22.119 --> 00:35:25.039
<v Speaker 2>when doctor D was finally willing to transfer her as

637
00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:28.559
<v Speaker 2>a patient, but it was ultimately too late. She had

638
00:35:28.599 --> 00:35:31.800
<v Speaker 2>been without auction for too long that her brain was dead,

639
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.559
<v Speaker 2>and she'd ultimately died from a stroke and massive blood loss.

640
00:35:38.079 --> 00:35:41.559
<v Speaker 2>A neurosurgeon was hired to review the case and found

641
00:35:41.599 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>that doctor D had both pierced and blocked Floella's vertibal

642
00:35:47.599 --> 00:35:51.519
<v Speaker 2>vertebra sorry artery with a misplaced screw. It was also

643
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.760
<v Speaker 2>found that he was operating on the entirely wrong area

644
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:57.320
<v Speaker 2>and misdiagnosed the source of pain.

645
00:35:58.880 --> 00:35:59.719
<v Speaker 1>This is horrific.

646
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Okay, The next one Mary efferred, I think would be

647
00:36:04.800 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 2>last name, would be his next victim, and she was one.

648
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.559
<v Speaker 2>She was the one that doctor D was operating while

649
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Floel was basically dying. Right. She was a seventy one

650
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:17.800
<v Speaker 2>year old woman. But doctor D was distracted during her

651
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>surgery report saying he was preoccupied with the thoughts of Floella,

652
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.360
<v Speaker 2>which is interesting since he decided to go ahead with

653
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:26.599
<v Speaker 2>Mary's surgery.

654
00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

655
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.119
<v Speaker 2>While doing so, he struggled to put the necessary hardware

656
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:36.760
<v Speaker 2>in Mary, incorrectly placing it in muscle rather than bone,

657
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 2>causing her to later wake up in agonizing pain and

658
00:36:40.679 --> 00:36:47.159
<v Speaker 2>unable to move her legs. Another what the fuck? I

659
00:36:47.199 --> 00:36:49.360
<v Speaker 2>can't even look I can't even look at you. How

660
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:50.239
<v Speaker 2>can your face?

661
00:36:50.639 --> 00:36:54.639
<v Speaker 1>How can you mistake muscle for bone?

662
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but it does get worse. So another surgeon,

663
00:36:59.480 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Robert had and was called in to try and repair

664
00:37:02.239 --> 00:37:06.920
<v Speaker 2>the damage. He said, immediately upon opening the patient's prior

665
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:12.599
<v Speaker 2>score scar, I could see a screw penetrating that drool sack.

666
00:37:12.639 --> 00:37:14.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't really know what it is from the left

667
00:37:14.320 --> 00:37:17.920
<v Speaker 2>side of the body, but it was just wobbling there.

668
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.360
<v Speaker 2>So a screw was wobbling there. It was like somebody

669
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:25.719
<v Speaker 2>just threw some tanker toys in there, or an erector

670
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:29.760
<v Speaker 2>set in there. I had absolute zero comprehension of how

671
00:37:29.800 --> 00:37:33.760
<v Speaker 2>this surgeon could think that he had done this procedure correctly.

672
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

673
00:37:37.079 --> 00:37:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So unfortunately, there are other hospitals and other victims.

674
00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go through all of them since

675
00:37:44.920 --> 00:37:47.639
<v Speaker 2>this is going to just be a one more Herder episode,

676
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 2>but there's a few more cases I wanted to briefly note.

677
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>So this is some bullet points of a bunch of shit,

678
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:56.159
<v Speaker 2>So just prepare yourself.

679
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.039
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, I'm gonna have to breathe deep for this, okay,

680
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.360
<v Speaker 1>give you like a countdown.

681
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Here, three, two.

682
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.599
<v Speaker 1>One, Okay, I'm good, I'm buckldac. Let's do this, okay.

683
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.280
<v Speaker 2>So he cut part of a patience spinal cord, leaving

684
00:38:13.360 --> 00:38:16.960
<v Speaker 2>him unable to move anything on the right side of

685
00:38:16.960 --> 00:38:19.360
<v Speaker 2>his body, saying to him, I don't know why you're

686
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:21.840
<v Speaker 2>like this. Everything went perfectly in there.

687
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 3>What what.

688
00:38:25.760 --> 00:38:32.039
<v Speaker 2>He calls Marshall muse an avid runner to spiral into addiction,

689
00:38:32.639 --> 00:38:35.719
<v Speaker 2>losing his job and splitting from his wife because he

690
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>was in so much pain after his operation, and instead

691
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 2>of correcting whatever for an air he made, he instead

692
00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:46.440
<v Speaker 2>prescribed him so much pain mediccation that when trying to

693
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>get it filled for a second time at the pharmacy,

694
00:38:48.639 --> 00:38:51.360
<v Speaker 2>the pharmacist refused to fill it because it was going

695
00:38:51.440 --> 00:38:54.519
<v Speaker 2>to be harmful to him. So he just prescribed him

696
00:38:54.559 --> 00:38:58.000
<v Speaker 2>so much pain meds that it pretty much caused an addiction. Wow,

697
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:01.159
<v Speaker 2>and so this guy had ruined his freaking life. He

698
00:39:01.239 --> 00:39:05.400
<v Speaker 2>cut another patient's vocal courts during her procedure, leaving her

699
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 2>barely able to speak. He left Philip Mayfield unable to walk.

700
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:15.119
<v Speaker 2>He was taken to a different hospital, receiving a new doctor,

701
00:39:15.199 --> 00:39:18.280
<v Speaker 2>but told the damage done by doctor D was irreversible.

702
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>He this is super sweet. Didn't accept this outcome and

703
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.440
<v Speaker 2>told them, yes, I will walk again. I have a

704
00:39:25.519 --> 00:39:27.760
<v Speaker 2>life that I have to live. I have three boys

705
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:30.599
<v Speaker 2>I need to raise, and he was right. He eventually

706
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:35.519
<v Speaker 2>did regain his ability to walk after intense rehab, which

707
00:39:35.559 --> 00:39:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I just love because that's just like an outcome of

708
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:39.360
<v Speaker 2>positive thinking and mind over matter.

709
00:39:39.440 --> 00:39:41.559
<v Speaker 1>Hey, is that our badass of the day rate there?

710
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it probably is because he basically got a

711
00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>really shitty dia diagnosis and he still walks with a

712
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>cane and lives with chronic pain, but he can walk

713
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>when they basically said, you know, you wouldn't be able to.

714
00:39:57.840 --> 00:40:00.360
<v Speaker 1>That's something like that. That's inspiring as fuck. Just got to

715
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:01.320
<v Speaker 1>say good on that guy.

716
00:40:01.440 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 2>I know, I do think a lot of times things

717
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:08.400
<v Speaker 2>can be mind or matter too, right, But like it's

718
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 2>hard to get to that mindset too where you're like,

719
00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:13.920
<v Speaker 2>I can't overcome this when people are telling you you can't. Like, yeah,

720
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:18.039
<v Speaker 2>So that's an incredible person. This is really unfortunate though,

721
00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:20.760
<v Speaker 2>but I'm going to say it. He unfortunately did die

722
00:40:21.280 --> 00:40:24.679
<v Speaker 2>earlier this year from COVID.

723
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:23.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh.

724
00:40:25.239 --> 00:40:28.360
<v Speaker 2>He years later had continued to receive treatments to relieve

725
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:31.199
<v Speaker 2>the pain that doctor D caused, and this caused him

726
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:33.559
<v Speaker 2>to be vulnerable to the to the virus.

727
00:40:34.320 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 1>So technically doctor D still got to in the end.

728
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:37.639
<v Speaker 2>There's another one.

729
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:38.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ah fuck.

730
00:40:40.400 --> 00:40:45.639
<v Speaker 2>So doctor D's final surgery would be on Jeff Glidewell.

731
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.000
<v Speaker 2>And this day started with doctor D being three hours

732
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:52.719
<v Speaker 2>late for his surgery, holy shit, arriving to the hospital

733
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.039
<v Speaker 2>by cab. So it's not like he was just in

734
00:40:55.079 --> 00:40:59.679
<v Speaker 2>another surgery or something. Jeff was having a bad feeling

735
00:40:59.719 --> 00:41:02.639
<v Speaker 2>about going ahead with the surgery, but his wife had

736
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>reassured him and wanted him to go ahead with it.

737
00:41:06.000 --> 00:41:10.480
<v Speaker 2>That's got feeling, right, those gut feelings. Yeah. But then honestly,

738
00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:13.000
<v Speaker 2>if you're at the hospital like and prepped and stuff, like,

739
00:41:13.280 --> 00:41:16.800
<v Speaker 2>to back out of that would be a ballsy decision.

740
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.920
<v Speaker 2>Most people wouldn't do that. So but once Jeff would

741
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:25.159
<v Speaker 2>wake up and find himself in more pain than before

742
00:41:25.199 --> 00:41:30.159
<v Speaker 2>the surgery, also super wild, doctor D. This is where

743
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.679
<v Speaker 2>it gets interested, Like where I said more wild. Doctor

744
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:37.400
<v Speaker 2>D told Jeff's wife that they had to abort the

745
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:40.800
<v Speaker 2>surgery because he discovered a tumor that he felt could

746
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:45.239
<v Speaker 2>be cancer. That tumor like thing just ended up being

747
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:52.639
<v Speaker 2>a muscle. Like he really just does. He has no

748
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.760
<v Speaker 2>idea what he's doing. Like I think I almost feel

749
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 2>like I could research and probably do a surgery better

750
00:41:58.239 --> 00:41:58.840
<v Speaker 2>in a sense.

751
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever watched The Simpsons?

752
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:06.280
<v Speaker 2>I'm pretty sure, y, yeah, I don't know.

753
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:09.920
<v Speaker 1>Doctor Nick is just like the world's shittiest fucking doctor.

754
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:12.440
<v Speaker 1>This dude reminds me of doctor Nick.

755
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:16.440
<v Speaker 2>On the six show. Maybe that inspired it.

756
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Maybe because like on The Simpsons, doctor Nick is like

757
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:23.039
<v Speaker 1>doing box back alley surgeries all the time, and even

758
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>one point he's like the hip bones connected to the

759
00:42:25.960 --> 00:42:30.280
<v Speaker 1>leg bone, leg bones connected to my wristwatch. Uh oh,

760
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:32.559
<v Speaker 1>like that sort of stuff. And that's what this reminded

761
00:42:32.599 --> 00:42:34.320
<v Speaker 1>me of, Like this, Oh, we had to back out

762
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:35.920
<v Speaker 1>because there's a tumor that's a.

763
00:42:35.920 --> 00:42:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Muscle muscle like, oh my god. So even though he

764
00:42:40.079 --> 00:42:43.000
<v Speaker 2>boarded the surgery, he still ended up leaving Jeff with

765
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.159
<v Speaker 2>a hole in his esophagus. He took out a nerve,

766
00:42:46.599 --> 00:42:51.599
<v Speaker 2>cut an argery, and left a sponge inside of his body.

767
00:42:52.320 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 1>Again, doctor Nick, it might as well be a fucking wristwatch, like.

768
00:42:55.440 --> 00:42:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Oh my, Like, oh, this guy, Doctor Randall Kirby was

769
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:04.440
<v Speaker 2>Russian days later to repair doctor D's damage. Kirby described

770
00:43:04.480 --> 00:43:08.880
<v Speaker 2>what he did to Jeff as attempted murder and because

771
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:10.920
<v Speaker 2>this wasn't the first time he felt they had a

772
00:43:10.960 --> 00:43:15.039
<v Speaker 2>serial killer on the loose in their medical community. Jeff

773
00:43:15.039 --> 00:43:18.760
<v Speaker 2>would spend months in the hospital recuperating from the surgery

774
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that need that nearly killed him. Wow, this would have

775
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.599
<v Speaker 2>doctor D's medical license finally suspended.

776
00:43:28.880 --> 00:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Good, wait suspended, and later.

777
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:36.840
<v Speaker 2>You just can't wake and in December of twenty thirteen

778
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:41.599
<v Speaker 2>it would be permanently revoked. Good good, yep, yep, yep.

779
00:43:41.880 --> 00:43:45.239
<v Speaker 1>Too late, though, that was thirty eight.

780
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:49.280
<v Speaker 2>Too many people like the thirty eight. Well, so remember

781
00:43:49.280 --> 00:43:52.400
<v Speaker 2>at the very beginning he had thirty eight victims and

782
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 2>thirty three of them got fucked up, right, so like

783
00:43:56.440 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 2>he should have been not operating on a freaking single person.

784
00:43:59.559 --> 00:43:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

785
00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Both doctors Randall Kirby and Robert Henderson, who had mentioned

786
00:44:04.440 --> 00:44:07.400
<v Speaker 2>at times above doctors who were called in to fix

787
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>doctor D's mistakes, were crucial in bringing doctor d down.

788
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Good And apparently it's very rare for doctors to turn

789
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.280
<v Speaker 2>on each other in this way. It's not something that

790
00:44:18.519 --> 00:44:19.320
<v Speaker 2>happens often.

791
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:23.679
<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, if someone's doing these botch jobs so

792
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:25.519
<v Speaker 1>much and so prolifically.

793
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Good thing they're coming in m m, well no, it

794
00:44:28.320 --> 00:44:31.880
<v Speaker 2>just shows those ones are in it for the right reasons. Right. So,

795
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:37.159
<v Speaker 2>after this, life for doctor D would fall, would fall apart.

796
00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:39.440
<v Speaker 2>Sorry I just said would fall, but like that doesn't

797
00:44:39.480 --> 00:44:42.320
<v Speaker 2>make sense, but it basically would fall apart, and rightfully so,

798
00:44:42.920 --> 00:44:46.800
<v Speaker 2>he started drinking too much, shoplifting hundreds of dollars worth

799
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:51.039
<v Speaker 2>of items. This got him arrested. He declared bankruptcy after

800
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>listing debts of over one million dollars WHOA got a

801
00:44:54.960 --> 00:45:00.280
<v Speaker 2>dui among other things. So, like life really took turn

802
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>for him. In the meantime, prosecutors were working with both

803
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>doctor Kirby and doctor Henderson to find a way to

804
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:11.599
<v Speaker 2>formally charge doctor D, which would be a challenge. They

805
00:45:11.639 --> 00:45:15.639
<v Speaker 2>needed to prove that doctor D's actions were wilful and

806
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:18.320
<v Speaker 2>intentional as defined by the Texas law.

807
00:45:18.840 --> 00:45:21.360
<v Speaker 1>Well, that is kind of the fine line we're walking

808
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:25.280
<v Speaker 1>on this case, though, because maybe he really just thinks

809
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.760
<v Speaker 1>he's doing a good job, and clearly he's not. He

810
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 1>shouldn't be doing it, But maybe he just really thinks

811
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:34.280
<v Speaker 1>that he's just helping these people and he's not aware

812
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:35.920
<v Speaker 1>that he's just that much of an idiot.

813
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:41.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so. So like its challenge, right, Yeah.

814
00:45:41.920 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 2>And I hate to say this, but almost thank goodness

815
00:45:44.559 --> 00:45:48.320
<v Speaker 2>for doctor D's downward spiral, because this was a process

816
00:45:48.360 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 2>for them to figure out, and it was feared he

817
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:54.599
<v Speaker 2>could move elsewhere and still theoretically get a medical license apparently,

818
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:56.480
<v Speaker 2>So it's a good thing that he was doing this

819
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.000
<v Speaker 2>downward spiral, not just like trying to figure out how

820
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.639
<v Speaker 2>he could go work somewhere else. After interviewing dozens of

821
00:46:02.679 --> 00:46:07.440
<v Speaker 2>doctor D's patients and their survivors, it became very clear

822
00:46:07.519 --> 00:46:11.480
<v Speaker 2>that his actions were indeed criminal, and imprisonment would be

823
00:46:11.559 --> 00:46:15.079
<v Speaker 2>the only option to prevent him from practicing medicine again.

824
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.639
<v Speaker 2>In July twenty fifteen, approximately a year and a half

825
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:23.320
<v Speaker 2>after his license was revoked, Doctor D would finally get

826
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:28.360
<v Speaker 2>arrested and charged with six felamy counts of aggravated assault

827
00:46:28.400 --> 00:46:32.599
<v Speaker 2>with a deadly weapon, five counts of aggravated assault causing

828
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:37.440
<v Speaker 2>serious bodily injury, and one account of injury to an

829
00:46:37.480 --> 00:46:41.639
<v Speaker 2>elderly person that was Mary. She was the seventy one

830
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.440
<v Speaker 2>year old. The last charge of injury to an elderly

831
00:46:45.480 --> 00:46:48.960
<v Speaker 2>person was put on a high priority as it was

832
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 2>provided as it would provide the widest sentencing range. Doctor

833
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:57.440
<v Speaker 2>D could face up to life in prison if convicted

834
00:46:57.480 --> 00:47:01.320
<v Speaker 2>of this. They also believed that charge would be easily

835
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>to more easily to prove in court. However, the mangle

836
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.760
<v Speaker 2>of the trial was to achieve a sentence long enough

837
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 2>to ensure doctor D would never be able to practice

838
00:47:12.880 --> 00:47:19.519
<v Speaker 2>medicine again, held in the Dallas Dallas Country Jail for

839
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:24.840
<v Speaker 2>almost two years. Finally, in twenty seventeen, doctor D was

840
00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:29.000
<v Speaker 2>tried for the charge of injury to an elderly person. First,

841
00:47:29.679 --> 00:47:32.159
<v Speaker 2>many of doctor D's patients were called to stand at

842
00:47:32.199 --> 00:47:37.280
<v Speaker 2>the trial, and according to doctor D's lawyers, this isn't

843
00:47:37.320 --> 00:47:38.360
<v Speaker 2>you will need to listen to this.

844
00:47:38.880 --> 00:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm listening.

845
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:46.159
<v Speaker 2>Doctor D had not realized how poorly he had performed

846
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 2>as a surgeon until he heard the prosecution experts tell

847
00:47:51.079 --> 00:47:55.480
<v Speaker 2>the jury about his many blunders on the operating table.

848
00:47:56.199 --> 00:47:59.320
<v Speaker 2>That's the scariest part of all this, Like bizarre, he

849
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:02.039
<v Speaker 2>had no actual idea how bad it was.

850
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>I guess he had no idea how terrible.

851
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<v Speaker 2>He was at the Yeah, Like did he think that

852
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<v Speaker 2>that was most doctors like report that they eighty seven

853
00:48:13.920 --> 00:48:15.719
<v Speaker 2>percent of their patients were fucked.

854
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<v Speaker 1>Well, he probably just like did the job, and like, oh,

855
00:48:19.800 --> 00:48:22.000
<v Speaker 1>it is what it is. It's not me, it's your recovery.

856
00:48:22.039 --> 00:48:26.159
<v Speaker 1>It's not me, it's it's you dealing with pain. That's normal. Like,

857
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:28.760
<v Speaker 1>think of it this way. How often, how many of

858
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:30.760
<v Speaker 1>us go to work and we just have like that

859
00:48:30.800 --> 00:48:33.920
<v Speaker 1>one coworker or someone we've run across who just does

860
00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:36.960
<v Speaker 1>such a bad job and they just don't even notice,

861
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:39.480
<v Speaker 1>They don't even care, they don't even seem to realize

862
00:48:39.480 --> 00:48:42.559
<v Speaker 1>how ridiculous they're fucking up all the time.

863
00:48:42.760 --> 00:48:44.559
<v Speaker 2>And now imagine that person's a doctor.

864
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, imagine that person getting into the shoes of a

865
00:48:47.800 --> 00:48:51.039
<v Speaker 1>doctor's position. That's all it is. There's many people out

866
00:48:51.079 --> 00:48:53.480
<v Speaker 1>there that do this sort of thing all the time. Yeah,

867
00:48:53.519 --> 00:48:57.280
<v Speaker 1>it's just on a ridiculous scale with people's lives as.

868
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 2>A scale that literally affects people's lives, terrifying part. Yeah,

869
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:07.039
<v Speaker 2>Doctor D's defense was poor training and lack of oversight

870
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 2>by the hospitals. After thirteen days of trial, the jury

871
00:49:11.239 --> 00:49:15.159
<v Speaker 2>needed only four hours to convict doctor D for the

872
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 2>charge of injury to an elderly person. On February twentieth,

873
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:23.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty seventeen, he was sentenced to life in prison. He

874
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:26.360
<v Speaker 2>was not He will not be eligible for parole until

875
00:49:26.400 --> 00:49:31.320
<v Speaker 2>twenty forty five, when he will be seventy four years old. Wow,

876
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>loot WoT.

877
00:49:33.559 --> 00:49:37.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean I feel for him though too, because like

878
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I said, he had well, like you said, he had

879
00:49:39.960 --> 00:49:44.480
<v Speaker 1>no idea, He had no intention of hurting these people.

880
00:49:45.840 --> 00:49:48.880
<v Speaker 1>Clearly he was Clearly he shouldn't have been in this position,

881
00:49:48.920 --> 00:49:51.559
<v Speaker 1>but he was. Oh this is a tough one. Yeah,

882
00:49:52.159 --> 00:49:55.159
<v Speaker 1>because it's he didn't mean to. He was still doing it,

883
00:49:55.199 --> 00:50:00.360
<v Speaker 1>but he wasn't meaning to. So yeah, he deserves reprimmendation. Yeah,

884
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:03.360
<v Speaker 1>he should not be a doctor. Yeah, like all this

885
00:50:03.480 --> 00:50:08.880
<v Speaker 1>is I agree, Yes, something should happen, But this whole time,

886
00:50:08.920 --> 00:50:11.280
<v Speaker 1>he just thought he was saving people's lives.

887
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Also, all four hospitals that employed doctor Y to no surprise,

888
00:50:17.440 --> 00:50:23.280
<v Speaker 2>had ongoing civil cases against them. Okay, So one thing

889
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 2>that too that I ended up missing. I had it

890
00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 2>in my report and then now it's not there, and

891
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:29.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm at the end and I'm like, where the hell

892
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:33.320
<v Speaker 2>is that statement? Because this could affect affect your opinion. Okay,

893
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:37.679
<v Speaker 2>So in the courts they had one piece of I

894
00:50:37.679 --> 00:50:40.800
<v Speaker 2>guess you'd call it evidence, And what it was is

895
00:50:40.840 --> 00:50:44.920
<v Speaker 2>it was an email that he had written to his

896
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 2>former assistant who was his ex girlfriend, and like it's bad.

897
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:57.239
<v Speaker 2>It says, unfortunately, you cannot understand that I am building

898
00:50:57.280 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 2>an empire and I am so far outside the box

899
00:51:00.920 --> 00:51:03.239
<v Speaker 2>that the earth is small and the sun is bright.

900
00:51:03.880 --> 00:51:06.559
<v Speaker 2>I am ready to leave the love and kindness and

901
00:51:06.599 --> 00:51:10.079
<v Speaker 2>goodness and patience that I mix with everything else that

902
00:51:10.159 --> 00:51:13.079
<v Speaker 2>I am and become a cold blooded killer.

903
00:51:14.760 --> 00:51:14.840
<v Speaker 1>What.

904
00:51:15.679 --> 00:51:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this this ex girlfriend had submitted this, and

905
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.880
<v Speaker 2>that's what it said. So in my he was I

906
00:51:27.920 --> 00:51:31.840
<v Speaker 2>don't think he was doing his job right, and it

907
00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:34.159
<v Speaker 2>almost did come across like he didn't realize he was

908
00:51:34.159 --> 00:51:37.480
<v Speaker 2>doing it right. But then if you read that, it's

909
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 2>almost like he did know and didn't give a shit.

910
00:51:43.320 --> 00:51:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Unless because I mean, there's no context with that now

911
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:48.360
<v Speaker 1>there isn't and I'm going to play devil's advocate here.

912
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:53.199
<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's just because what if this email is around

913
00:51:53.199 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 1>the time of when there's like he's getting kicked out

914
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:57.119
<v Speaker 1>of hospitals and some doctors are.

915
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:58.440
<v Speaker 2>He could be frustrated.

916
00:51:58.480 --> 00:52:00.440
<v Speaker 1>He could be frustrated, and he could not even be

917
00:52:00.480 --> 00:52:03.440
<v Speaker 1>talking about his patients. He could just be like, Oh,

918
00:52:03.440 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I just want to go like murder someone. I want

919
00:52:05.039 --> 00:52:06.880
<v Speaker 1>to go punch just guy in the face, Like people

920
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.079
<v Speaker 1>say that stuff out of anger quite frequently. I want

921
00:52:09.079 --> 00:52:12.039
<v Speaker 1>to fucking shoot that dude. Yeah, that could be something.

922
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:14.039
<v Speaker 2>Like that, and it was to a loved one, right.

923
00:52:14.039 --> 00:52:17.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it could maybe not have anything to do

924
00:52:17.679 --> 00:52:22.760
<v Speaker 1>with his patients. If it does have anything to do

925
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.239
<v Speaker 1>with his patients, then yeah, fuck everything I said. This

926
00:52:25.280 --> 00:52:28.039
<v Speaker 1>guy's every fucking intention. He's a fucking horrible person, Like

927
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.320
<v Speaker 1>fuck him, blah blah blah. But we don't know. That's

928
00:52:31.320 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 1>the only problem.

929
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<v Speaker 2>And the other thing too that I hadn't put in there,

930
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.039
<v Speaker 2>but it had said when he was growing up and

931
00:52:36.079 --> 00:52:39.159
<v Speaker 2>he was playing all the on those football teams and stuff, right,

932
00:52:39.199 --> 00:52:42.880
<v Speaker 2>and his teammates would say like that he like it

933
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:46.880
<v Speaker 2>didn't really football didn't necessarily come naturally to him, but

934
00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.480
<v Speaker 2>that he put like so much effort into their into it,

935
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:51.320
<v Speaker 2>and there would be drills that he would just like

936
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 2>repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat until he would

937
00:52:54.840 --> 00:52:56.599
<v Speaker 2>get it. But he still woldn't even almost get it

938
00:52:56.639 --> 00:53:00.360
<v Speaker 2>as as much as the other players. And so I

939
00:53:00.400 --> 00:53:03.280
<v Speaker 2>think like he almost seemed like he has this drastic

940
00:53:03.400 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>need to like do well at everything, but then he

941
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>can't accept when he doesn't do it.

942
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:11.400
<v Speaker 1>Well, Yeah, that's very possible.

943
00:53:11.440 --> 00:53:12.159
<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense.

944
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:12.920
<v Speaker 1>It makes sense.

945
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:18.440
<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, it's it's just super shitty because

946
00:53:18.480 --> 00:53:22.360
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people that are probably regretting their

947
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.559
<v Speaker 2>decisions of getting help when they actually did need those

948
00:53:25.800 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 2>that help. And I hate, like, I just having to

949
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:32.480
<v Speaker 2>think that those they lost lives and now they're like

950
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.840
<v Speaker 2>paralyzed or something like that, and they were literally just

951
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 2>trying to get help.

952
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:39.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this dude fucked up a lot of lives. Yeah,

953
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and you fucked up my life by introducing me to

954
00:53:41.440 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>this episode, because holy fuck.

955
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you don't seem like you're going to be the same.

956
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.360
<v Speaker 2>You're never going to be able to get surgery or anything. Ain't. Yeah,

957
00:53:47.440 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 2>probably not going to trust the soul.

958
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:53.280
<v Speaker 1>Probably not Well. It was one hell of an episode, babe.

959
00:53:53.840 --> 00:53:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Good job, good research, and fuck that dude.

960
00:53:56.760 --> 00:53:59.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So until then, make.

961
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<v Speaker 1>Sure you guys check out our Instagram, our Facebook, our

962
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Patreon page. I'll link below and we'll see you next time.

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<v Speaker 2>Until then, stay wicked.