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Speaker 2: Five minutes in and we're already going downhill. We got
Speaker 2: a song. We gotta start here. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to start the story off by sharing
Speaker 2: Kelly Martin's story. Kelly, do tell that? I said.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 1: I was like, I interrupted you to say do you
Speaker 1: tell at the same time, like what.
Speaker 2: Oh. Kelly was a wife and mother to two beautiful girls.
Speaker 2: She was a school librarian who was described as making
Speaker 2: every single person she came into contact with feels special
Speaker 2: and important, which right away, I'm just like, I love her.
Speaker 2: It's so awesome.
Speaker 1: People up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, I just wish more people did that. Actually,
Speaker 2: she loved Christmas. It was one of her favorite times
Speaker 2: of year, which I also loved because I also love Christmas.
Speaker 1: Christmas is dope.
Speaker 2: She would, however, have an accident one particular Christmas, retrieving
Speaker 2: decorations from the attic her husband handed her a box
Speaker 2: and she went down the ladder. As she was going
Speaker 2: down the ladder, she missed the step below her, causing
Speaker 2: her to fall backwards, which is like, eek, because we
Speaker 2: have a ladder, and I think about that.
Speaker 1: Often because we have a ladder.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we like in our tiny home, like our
Speaker 2: loft is one of them is a ladder, yes, and
Speaker 2: it sketches me out. I'm always like, you can't touch
Speaker 2: me when I'm on the ladder because.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean it's fair scary. Ladders are like a
Speaker 1: very high accident prone thing, especially in the workplace and
Speaker 1: stuff like. That's a lot of incidents happen in the ladders.
Speaker 2: Well, and like ours going up and down with socks
Speaker 2: scares me as slippery. It's just like so I was
Speaker 2: just like, oh my goodness, this poor lady, like she fell.
Speaker 2: So she went through the holiday season exercising her back,
Speaker 2: even doing some physical therapy, but her new found back
Speaker 2: pain would not seem to go away. Wanting to be
Speaker 2: pain free once again and be able to enjoy a
Speaker 2: drop of tropical vacation with her husband, Kelly would meet
Speaker 2: doctor Christopher Dunch. Does that name ring a bell to you?
Speaker 1: It does not, but I know slightly of this case,
Speaker 1: so I know who it's probably going to be.
Speaker 2: So doctor Dunch was a new hot shot neurosurgeon with
Speaker 2: a very impressive resume, a catchy infomercial, and a five
Speaker 2: star rating. She would select him to perform the surgery
Speaker 2: she needed to get rid of her back. Name when
Speaker 2: she needed. What she needed done was described as a
Speaker 2: very simple surgery, very routine. The surgery was to repair
Speaker 2: a torn piece of disk material compressing the nerves in
Speaker 2: her back. The surgery would take place at Baylor Regional
Speaker 2: Medical Center. During Kelly's surgery, she would start profusely bleeding.
Speaker 2: Her routine surgery turned into a medical emergency. Not good.
Speaker 2: The anisethologist who almost Butcher that was expressing concern over
Speaker 2: and over again during the procedure that he could not
Speaker 2: get her blood pressure up. She was continuing to lose
Speaker 2: more and more blood, with her breathing becoming labored, and
Speaker 2: she was growing paler by the minute. Just all around,
Speaker 2: not a good situation. She was drastically deteriorating the whole time.
Speaker 2: Doctor Dunch did not address the situation, maintaining that Kelly
Speaker 2: was okay. She however, was not okay, and was later
Speaker 2: pronounced dead.
Speaker 1: So bitch dang that awe sucks.
Speaker 2: Kelly had bled to death. Doctor Dunch had cut a
Speaker 2: blood vessel and tore a hole in a vein, causing
Speaker 2: this routine surgery to rather be a medical emergency with
Speaker 2: a terrible.
Speaker 1: Outcome that was not addressed. You just let it go.
Speaker 2: As the medical team went to inform Kelly's family, they
Speaker 2: just knew from the looks on their faces that gives
Speaker 2: me shifvers. Doctor Dunch would, however, never make eye contact
Speaker 2: with them, but rather just looked down at the floor.
Speaker 2: This family had lost their mother, and this was not
Speaker 2: doctor Dunch's first incident, but rather his first surgery back
Speaker 2: after being demoted to performing only minor procedures, when just
Speaker 2: a few months earlier he had paralyzed his closest friend,
Speaker 2: Jerry Summers, in another botch surgery that left him a quadriplegic.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, this, my friends, is the cruel story of
Speaker 2: the victims of doctor Christopher Dunch, also known as doctor
Speaker 2: d or doctor Death. A person in a position of
Speaker 2: power taking advantage of people in moments of complete weakness.
Speaker 1: That's one hell of a pseudonym.
Speaker 2: Doc Death, Doctor Death. You imagine if that was like
Speaker 2: holy fuck? Oh like just cringe. So in this man
Speaker 2: of less than two years, doctor Death injured thirty three
Speaker 2: out of his thirty eight patients. That's an eighty seven
Speaker 2: percent outcome of getting fucked up by this guy. Holy shit,
Speaker 2: Like no, thank you? Right?
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: We moved from one hospital to another until his medical
Speaker 2: license was suspended and finally revoked.
Speaker 1: Wow. How many patients did he have to go through
Speaker 1: before it was revoked?
Speaker 2: Well, we'll get there. Okay, Okay, we'll get there.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, So Christopher Dunch. I was going to refer to
Speaker 2: him as doctor D this whole time.
Speaker 1: Can we call him doctor Douche?
Speaker 2: Do we like doctor D or do we like doctor Death?
Speaker 2: Do you like doctor D? Could be like a porn name,
Speaker 2: but I'll go back and forth. Okay, so doctor D.
Speaker 2: Christopher Dunch was born sorry go ahead. Was born in
Speaker 2: Montana and spent most of his youth in Memphis, Tennessee.
Speaker 2: His father was a physical therapist and his mother stayed home.
Speaker 2: In high school, he was a football star after graduation. Graduating,
Speaker 2: he would initially attend a small college in Mississippi to
Speaker 2: play football, later transferring to color Colorado State University. Though
Speaker 2: he trained harder than anyone, he lacked talent to the
Speaker 2: game and eventually returned home to attend Memphis State University,
Speaker 2: switching to a career in medicine. He completed his undergraduate
Speaker 2: degree in nineteen ninety five, then continued onto an ambitious
Speaker 2: md PhD program. In twenty ten. Doctor d would complete
Speaker 2: his mdphd and neurology.
Speaker 1: Wholy, I'm grim if we don't Butcher pronunciating.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh all the time. I'm like in my head,
Speaker 2: I'm like, you got this, you got this, and it's like, okay.
Speaker 2: So he completed his neural ner Holy for now, I'm
Speaker 2: just it's just down neurology. Neurosurgery is actually what I'm
Speaker 2: trying to say, and in my brain it's like something
Speaker 2: totally different. So sorry, neurological, Yeah, maybe I need some more. Okay, Okay,
Speaker 2: So neural surgery, oh, Man Regency program.
Speaker 1: I mean that is a tongue twister and a half.
Speaker 1: I say that three times fast. I dare anyone anyway, Okay.
Speaker 2: So he completed that whatever the ship it was the
Speaker 2: University of Tennessee Hell Science Center, and he also completed
Speaker 2: a spine Fellowship program at the Seems Murphy Clinic in Memphis.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's that's an education.
Speaker 2: So he did get edge imicated right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After graduating doctor d, focused heavily on the PhD half
Speaker 2: of his degree, with his name appearing on several papers
Speaker 2: and patents, and he took part in a number of
Speaker 2: biotech startups. This would look really good on his already
Speaker 2: glowing resume. He would eventually decide to turn to neurosurgery
Speaker 2: and it was an as it was an extremely lucrative field,
Speaker 2: and he was five hundred thousand dollars in debt. So
Speaker 2: I mean, not the most terrible of reasons to choose
Speaker 2: a field, because you know, money makes the world turn. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but there probably could have been better reasons for him
Speaker 2: to choose to go into neurosurgery.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, generally people choose their occupation for an income.
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to knock anyone if they'd go
Speaker 1: into a field for money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I feel like also with like the with
Speaker 2: doctors and nurses and stuff like, generally they also have
Speaker 2: a desire to want to help people too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's not to say that maybe he didn't
Speaker 1: have that desire.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have. He could have, but I.
Speaker 1: Mean, like you say, money makes the world go round.
Speaker 2: It does it unfortunately does. So he moved to Dallas
Speaker 2: and joined Baylor Regional Medical Center referred to as Baylor
Speaker 2: Plano as a minimally minimally invasive spine surgeont with his salary.
Speaker 2: His salary, you ready for this? Six hundred ges per
Speaker 2: year plus bonuses, wowsers.
Speaker 1: Can I have some deal like that?
Speaker 2: That's like a lot? Eh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we could buy so much Halloween candy with that.
Speaker 1: I've been eyeing up that.
Speaker 2: We already buy so much Halloween gets a problem. It's delicious, Okay.
Speaker 2: So this brings us to doctor D's first patient at
Speaker 2: Baylor Plano, which is Kenneth Fannell. After Kenneth's surgery, he
Speaker 2: was left with chronic pain. The reason for this being
Speaker 2: that good old doctor D operated on the wrong part
Speaker 2: of his.
Speaker 1: Back ooh, the wrong part of the.
Speaker 2: Wrong part of his back. And this he did this often,
Speaker 2: like literally, does not diagnose where the pain is properly
Speaker 2: on someone's back. The pain he was experienced experiencing was
Speaker 2: getting worse, so Kenneth needed a second surgery and he
Speaker 2: went back to doctor D. I'm pretty sure I'd be
Speaker 2: like fuck you and this one would leave him paralyzed.
Speaker 2: After doctor D removed a part of his ephemeral nerve,
Speaker 2: it took Kenneth months of rehabilitation to be able to
Speaker 2: walk with a cane, still not being able to walk
Speaker 2: more than thirty feet or stand more than a few
Speaker 2: minutes without having to sit down.
Speaker 1: That would be a lawsuit in the fucking half.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, Yeah, like he sucked him away up, that's
Speaker 2: just the beginning. So on December thirtieth, twenty eleven, Lee
Speaker 2: Passmore was referred to doctor D by his pains specialist.
Speaker 2: During the surgery, it was observed that doctor D cut
Speaker 2: a ligament around Lee's spinal cord that wouldn't normally be
Speaker 2: touched during this type of procedure. He also misplaced hardware
Speaker 2: in his spine and stripped the screw that kept the
Speaker 2: hardware in place, making the device so it could not
Speaker 2: be removed.
Speaker 1: What the fuck?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Dis you?
Speaker 2: Wait? Vascular surgeon Mark Howell, who was assisting doctor D
Speaker 2: with the surgery, was so disturbed by his actions that
Speaker 2: he later vowed to never go into another operating room
Speaker 2: with this man.
Speaker 1: Holy oh wow, I'm like.
Speaker 2: Speechless and Okay, I find that like so interesting because
Speaker 2: in my mind at this point, like this is a
Speaker 2: new doctor, Like wouldn't he be getting reviewed or something,
Speaker 2: because that's a bold statement coming from another surgeon.
Speaker 1: No kidding, And like there's it's not like just one
Speaker 1: accident has happened so far. This is we're already on
Speaker 1: multiple occasions. Why is nothing happening yet?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Have there at this point I'm sure you might get
Speaker 1: into this, but have there even been any lawsuits yet?
Speaker 2: No? Not as far as I know.
Speaker 1: That might be why because it's like, oh, well, it's
Speaker 1: not a big of a deal and there's nothing really
Speaker 1: to go against him. M It's like and it's sad
Speaker 1: to say, as it is, it's very much so similar
Speaker 1: to like rape victims. If someone is out there raping individuals,
Speaker 1: he's not going to go to prison or get caught
Speaker 1: or anything unless someone speaks up.
Speaker 2: Right, And lots of these people didn't know that he
Speaker 2: had like prior incidents either, so they thought there was
Speaker 2: just a one off and maybe it just went wrong
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then doctor G was also like a
Speaker 2: very confident individual, so I think he could like get
Speaker 2: out of situations pretty easily.
Speaker 1: Y Holy fuck.
Speaker 2: So Lee was left with chronic pain and had a
Speaker 2: difficult time walking. Not even a month later, in January
Speaker 2: of twenty twelve, Barry morgulof I'm pretty sure, is how
Speaker 2: you say that, would find himself on doctor D's table,
Speaker 2: his procedure being a spinal fusion. He had injured his
Speaker 2: back unloading trucks and could no longer walk without pain.
Speaker 2: Doctor D vowed to help him. Oh, of course, very
Speaker 2: Barry quoting I can fix you was like a magic word. Boom,
Speaker 2: that's all I heard. I thought that he was going
Speaker 2: to be the man to help me walk again, and
Speaker 2: just decide I wanted to do a little side note
Speaker 2: if you want to dig a little deeper into this case,
Speaker 2: there's a docu series on Peacock. Have you heard of that.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what that was at first, but I
Speaker 2: think it's like a streaming service in the US. And
Speaker 2: the series is called Doctor Death and it has like
Speaker 2: some big names in there. Joshua Jackson. Do you know
Speaker 2: who that is?
Speaker 1: H Yeah, I'm actually I'm looking at it right now.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, As you were talking, like, I wonder if
Speaker 1: there's been a movie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy yet Christian Slater and Alec Baldwin, just
Speaker 2: to name a few. And I was initially so bummed
Speaker 2: because I was trying to find this and it didn't
Speaker 2: seem like it was available in Canada because the Peacock
Speaker 2: streaming thing is just us. But then the Global TV
Speaker 2: ap pass it and.
Speaker 1: It's The first episode air date was July fifteenth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: One, so it's like, yeah, it's this year. So anyway,
Speaker 2: I just wanted to throw that out there, and that
Speaker 2: show was based off a podcast series with the same name,
Speaker 2: So some of the quotes and stuff that I have
Speaker 2: in this is from articles from the Peacock docuseriies just
Speaker 2: to throw it out there. I know what I'm doing
Speaker 2: this weekend. I'm gonna watch that. I think it'd be
Speaker 2: so sweet. Okay, So now, during this procedure, there was
Speaker 2: yet another fellow doctor assisting in the surgery. His name
Speaker 2: was Randal Kirby, and he would say doctor D was
Speaker 2: performing at a first or second year neurosurgical resident level
Speaker 2: and had no apparent insight into how bad his technique
Speaker 2: really was. Holy shit, yeah, he Doctor Kirby would later
Speaker 2: write to the Texas Medical Board that doctor D had
Speaker 2: problems throughout the simple procedure, nicking the patient's vertebrae artery
Speaker 2: and having difficulty moving the plate into the proper place. Like, yikes, this.
Speaker 1: Is literally something out of a fucking horror movie.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I mean, did doctor Death not give
Speaker 2: you all indication enough?
Speaker 1: I'm not okay going into this so far. My expectation was, Okay,
Speaker 1: doctor Death, it was gonna be something similar to I
Speaker 1: can't remember her name, but that.
Speaker 2: That nurse, that Elizabeth Wettlawfer.
Speaker 1: I was kind of expecting something like that, where he
Speaker 1: had this obsession with like killing people on purpose.
Speaker 2: He's just I think he's just shit at his job.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just thinks he's all this and he's just
Speaker 1: not even close. He's just a fuck horrible doctor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is alarming.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's worse than someone who just
Speaker 1: is purposely doing it or not. I don't know what
Speaker 1: would be worse.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, At first I was going to say someone
Speaker 2: purposely doing it, but then I don't know, because I.
Speaker 1: Mean, morally, clearly, someone purposely injuring someone is worse clearly,
Speaker 1: But on a level of him talking to people and
Speaker 1: getting their hopes of I can fix you. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then not even having any sort of skills to even
Speaker 1: come close to backing that up.
Speaker 2: Well, because at some point you got to know if
Speaker 2: you're bad at something too.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Really, so he's giving all this hope to people
Speaker 1: and then just crushingly in.
Speaker 2: Their dreams, making them more so when they came in.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So that that is horrible, Like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So unfortunately, here I go. Perry would end up
Speaker 2: with more pain than he began with and was left
Speaker 2: with no feeling in his left leg. He said he
Speaker 2: woke up and it felt like he'd been hit by
Speaker 2: a truck. He'd never experienced pain of this type. Barry
Speaker 2: was also left with bone fragments from his vertebrate lodged
Speaker 2: into the nerves of his back and pain now rules
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: At a follow up appointment Barry had with doctor D Oops,
Speaker 2: he was showing clear signs. Doctor d was showing clear
Speaker 2: signs of being like high or in him what is
Speaker 2: that word in himbriand ineborated, yeah, cause and this caused
Speaker 2: Barry to walk out, so like he was either like
Speaker 2: drunk or high or something. Wow, Like that's fucked that
Speaker 2: that right there actually scares me more. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine going and seeing a specialist and they're
Speaker 2: like not taking your appointments serious and high on drugs
Speaker 2: or like drunk, Like, oh my gosh, I would just freak.
Speaker 2: So one very interesting tidbit is that a typical neurosurgery
Speaker 2: resident completes about a thousand operations during their training, which
Speaker 2: seems very fair to me because you're operating on some
Speaker 2: pretty sens to varies, right like brain, spinal cord kind
Speaker 2: of thing. Yep, doctor D had done fewer than any guesses.
Speaker 1: Uh, fewer than fifty.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, you went that low. You're supposed to have
Speaker 2: a one thousand, I know.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, okay, like is this with
Speaker 1: his with his skill level, I'm expecting he like.
Speaker 2: Just yeah, so he did fewer than one hundred.
Speaker 1: Okay, well I'm not that far off.
Speaker 2: I know, but I actually didn't think you'd go that low.
Speaker 2: So the fact, because I was.
Speaker 1: Like shocked, Well he's pretty shit.
Speaker 2: So okay, so how is this possible, you may ask? Well,
Speaker 2: doctor D suffered from substance abuse, and it was brought
Speaker 2: forward to the University of Tennessee following an anonymous complaint
Speaker 2: that came in. He was ordered by the university to
Speaker 2: take a drug test, but somehow was able to get
Speaker 2: out of it. He was then sent to a program
Speaker 2: for impaired physicians, but still allowed to complete his surgical training.
Speaker 2: It's unclear how thorough his training exactly was. Holy fuck,
Speaker 2: it kind of seems like he slipped through the cracks lately.
Speaker 2: But that's just like that is just some oh I mean,
Speaker 2: no doctors, I guess you'd slip through the cracks. But
Speaker 2: that's like one specialty that I'm like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: like ugh, it's up there with like kneecaps and eyeballs.
Speaker 2: To me, what do you mean that's up there with
Speaker 2: having to like research about spinal cords. Like it's cringey, cringey.
Speaker 2: I can't do it.
Speaker 1: That's not cringey. That's just like gross.
Speaker 2: Well, there's certain body parts that I'm just like a boat. Okay.
Speaker 2: So doctor D's next victim, who I mentioned earlier when
Speaker 2: sharing Kelly's story, would beat Jerry Summers. Jerry was actually
Speaker 2: one of doctor D's closest friends, which I find incredibly
Speaker 2: interesting because if you knew you were a shitty at
Speaker 2: something like a shitty surgeon. Would you actually offer to
Speaker 2: help your friend like they were close friends or does
Speaker 2: that just show how overconfident and how much of a
Speaker 2: sociopath he really was?
Speaker 1: That one, definitely that one.
Speaker 2: Jerry had chronic neck pain from a car accident, so
Speaker 2: had asked his friend for help. Boy was that the
Speaker 2: wrong decision because when he woke up, Jerry would find
Speaker 2: himself a quadriplegic. Doctors who later reviewed the case determined
Speaker 2: that doctor D had damaged Jerry's vertebrate artery during the surgery,
Speaker 2: which caused significant bleeding. What doctor D did to stop
Speaker 2: the bleeding was packed the space with so much gelfoam
Speaker 2: that it constricted Jerry's spine. And basically from what I
Speaker 2: could find, jelphonem was like a super absorbent compressed sponge
Speaker 2: to help kind of clot blood and you can leave
Speaker 2: some of it in the body, but not an excessive
Speaker 2: amount like he had. And this part is like, Hugh,
Speaker 2: really gross. He had also removed so much of Jerry's
Speaker 2: bones bone that his head was no longer secure to
Speaker 2: his body. What what like, it's just it's just it's
Speaker 2: too much.
Speaker 1: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, reading that, I was almost like, this has to
Speaker 2: be like a joke, like this is just too too far. Wow,
Speaker 2: too far, Jerry saying as soon as he had woke up,
Speaker 2: I couldn't move my arms or my legs. It felt
Speaker 2: like a big pile of bricks is on your body
Speaker 2: and your head is sticking out. I knew something was wrong.
Speaker 2: He was an intense pain, and I imagine, like Garrett
Speaker 2: is hell yeah, and he was the only thing he
Speaker 2: had left his voice to call for help. He lived
Speaker 2: to share his story, but it's been reported that Jerry
Speaker 2: had passed away earlier this year due to an infection
Speaker 2: connected to his status of being a quadriplegic.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god.
Speaker 2: That is horrible and so like at the time that
Speaker 2: they I don't know caught doctor D. I guess that
Speaker 2: that death wasn't even like within his uns. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: so that's an incident that later happened, right.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So after this incident, doctor D was instructed to perform
Speaker 2: only minor procedures. I don't even know exactly what that means.
Speaker 2: But in my opinion, at what point can he just
Speaker 2: have his license taken away? Please? Yes, please, But I'm
Speaker 2: sure the process to remove a doctor from doctor status
Speaker 2: would be lengthy, take a whack of time, and cost
Speaker 2: a lot of money, all which medical facilities may not have.
Speaker 2: Kelly Martin, who I shared her story at the very beginning,
Speaker 2: was his next surgical patient back from his little hiatus there,
Speaker 2: I guess, and in order to perform her surgery, he
Speaker 2: had to pass a psycholog legit evaluation, which he obviously did.
Speaker 2: He get passed, though, well, he wasn't like crazy, Are you.
Speaker 1: Sure about that? He sounds pretty fucking nuts to me.
Speaker 2: And now, after Kelly's incident, surely you'd think this has
Speaker 2: to be the end, but it's not. The hospital he
Speaker 2: was working at at the time, Baylor Plano, Well, they
Speaker 2: conducted an investigation on doctor d and found that he
Speaker 2: would need to be let go as he failed to
Speaker 2: meet their standards of care, obviously, but instead of firing him,
Speaker 2: it's reported that he voluntarily resigned, and because of it
Speaker 2: being a voluntary resis, the hospital was not required to
Speaker 2: report doctor Dee's actions to the National Practitioner Data Bank
Speaker 2: or the Texas Medical Board, therefore having none of his
Speaker 2: malepractices tracked.
Speaker 1: Wow, just what I mean? Yeah, okay, sure, it's easier. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: he resigns it's easy on us. But now like the
Speaker 1: shit storm you just cause for other people, Yep, Holy
Speaker 1: fucked is that? Oh wow?
Speaker 2: I feel like they don't have to report it, but
Speaker 2: can they still report it?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: But then there was something about there that they didn't
Speaker 2: want to be like sued because he could potentially then
Speaker 2: come back and like sue them, and then if it
Speaker 2: was wrongful like reporting, then I don't know the hospital
Speaker 2: like that. They don't want lawsuits, right. I think they
Speaker 2: probably already don't have a lot of money or something.
Speaker 2: I don't know, But still there has to just be
Speaker 2: something like you're conscious you just have to report it,
Speaker 2: do you not?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's you're dealing with people's lives, as simple
Speaker 1: as that. And it's not even like you're dealing with
Speaker 1: people's lives literally right now. You're dealing with people's lives
Speaker 1: in the futures that are going to be in the
Speaker 1: hands of this fucking crazy Oh my god, Like this
Speaker 1: case is fun.
Speaker 2: It's an ethics thing really at some point. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: he rather just continued his career elsewhere in the state.
Speaker 2: He moving on quite quickly actually, to the Dallas Medical Center,
Speaker 2: where he was allowed to begin operating immediately, Holy grant you.
Speaker 2: He was only granted temporary privileges while his references were
Speaker 2: checked out, but in that time he was still able
Speaker 2: to do quite some damage. Floella Brown would be his
Speaker 2: next victim. Floella was a banker who was about to
Speaker 2: retire and was hoping to ease her worsening back pain
Speaker 2: going into retirement. It initially seemed like her PERCEI was
Speaker 2: going well, but again she started having excessive bleeding, to
Speaker 2: the point where doctor D was complaining he couldn't see
Speaker 2: there was so much blood.
Speaker 1: Holy shit, I oh, are you okay?
Speaker 2: Like you actually seem so agitated.
Speaker 1: I'm extremely agitated on this one. Like I can't pick
Speaker 1: my job off the fucking floor.
Speaker 2: You seem so uncomfortable. Is there another reason you're uncomfortable?
Speaker 1: No, Like, I'm physically comfortable in my little fucking bean
Speaker 1: bag up in this loft, But this case is just
Speaker 1: so fucked because.
Speaker 2: You're like agitation levels are almost like causing me to
Speaker 2: be agitated, because I'm like, is everything okay? But you're
Speaker 2: so distraught.
Speaker 1: I just don't understand how he can just keep doing this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like physically from a his standpoint of like I am
Speaker 1: hurting so many people. He should at one point just
Speaker 1: be like, holy fuck, I'm a shit doctor. I should
Speaker 1: probably either go back to school because I know I
Speaker 1: slipped through the cracks mm hmm and learn this proper
Speaker 1: or b I should step down. And the other side
Speaker 1: of it being that like when is someone going to
Speaker 1: be like, dude, you are killing people and fucking up
Speaker 1: people's lives so much. Stop But nothing is happening.
Speaker 2: I know because at least with like Elizabeth Wetlawer, she
Speaker 2: never got caught her. She was I think overdosing people
Speaker 2: with insulin is remembering correctly, and so it would just
Speaker 2: it totally slipped through the cracks and no one else
Speaker 2: knew that she was doing terrible job. But in these situations,
Speaker 2: he is a room full when he's doing surgeries, and
Speaker 2: like everyone can see how terrible of a job he's doing.
Speaker 1: It's witness after witness after witness, and no one's doing anything,
Speaker 1: no one's saying anything.
Speaker 2: Yep, and it's just.
Speaker 1: People's lives and it's just it fucking hurts. Holy shit.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, this is really I've We've done some fucked
Speaker 1: up cases that have gotten to me, and this is
Speaker 1: probably one of the ones. That have gotten to me
Speaker 1: the most. This is up there with Junco for tour
Speaker 1: with for.
Speaker 2: Me like it. Holy moly, Ben Wow, Okay, so back
Speaker 2: to it.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 3: Sorry.
Speaker 2: Rather than to abort the surgery, he continued on, they
Speaker 2: closed Full Floella up and had her move to recovery,
Speaker 2: where she later was visited with family, reporting that she
Speaker 2: had felt okay, but by the next morning she had
Speaker 2: taken a turn for the worse. Her body had started
Speaker 2: convulsing and she lost consciousness. Doctor D who they were
Speaker 2: trying to reach, could not be reached four hours. And
Speaker 2: that thing pisses me off because it's like, if you're
Speaker 2: doing surgeries and you have people in recovery. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know, like you don't want to be working twenty
Speaker 2: for seven blah, but that's the job that you signed
Speaker 2: up for, yeah, and you need to be available if
Speaker 2: something goes so there.
Speaker 1: If I may go off slightly, here as an example
Speaker 1: of a good doctor who is available for you. Of
Speaker 1: all doctors' names, my dentist's name is doctor Payne p
Speaker 1: A y n. True story his legitimate name. I got
Speaker 1: my wisdom teeth pulled when I was.
Speaker 2: Younger, and I was just going to say.
Speaker 1: Thirteenth, nonetheless by doctor Paine. He's a really good dentist,
Speaker 1: really good guy, takes really good care and very careful,
Speaker 1: awesome dentist. When I got my wisdom teeth pulled, he
Speaker 1: was off on vacation or a wedding or something. He
Speaker 1: was out of the province, across the fucking country. He
Speaker 1: called me while he was not on the job to
Speaker 1: see how my recovery was doing.
Speaker 2: And not that that getting wisdom deed isn't a big deal,
Speaker 2: but compared to these kind of surgeries, it's not really
Speaker 2: a big deal. So that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Like the dentist stood aside from I can't remember if
Speaker 1: I think it was a wedding. He stood aside from
Speaker 1: the wedding, called my mom to ask how my recovery
Speaker 1: was going.
Speaker 2: Which is amazing.
Speaker 1: That's what a good surgery a surgeon should be doing.
Speaker 2: Totally, totally. So he finally rolled into the hospital late
Speaker 2: late for an elective surgery that he had and instead
Speaker 2: of canceling that elective surgery to attend to Floella, who
Speaker 2: was not doing well, he proceeded with his new surgery. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: Floella would later die. She was moved to another hospital
Speaker 2: when doctor D was finally willing to transfer her as
Speaker 2: a patient, but it was ultimately too late. She had
Speaker 2: been without auction for too long that her brain was dead,
Speaker 2: and she'd ultimately died from a stroke and massive blood loss.
Speaker 2: A neurosurgeon was hired to review the case and found
Speaker 2: that doctor D had both pierced and blocked Floella's vertibal
Speaker 2: vertebra sorry artery with a misplaced screw. It was also
Speaker 2: found that he was operating on the entirely wrong area
Speaker 2: and misdiagnosed the source of pain.
Speaker 1: This is horrific.
Speaker 2: Okay, The next one Mary efferred, I think would be
Speaker 2: last name, would be his next victim, and she was one.
Speaker 2: She was the one that doctor D was operating while
Speaker 2: Floel was basically dying. Right. She was a seventy one
Speaker 2: year old woman. But doctor D was distracted during her
Speaker 2: surgery report saying he was preoccupied with the thoughts of Floella,
Speaker 2: which is interesting since he decided to go ahead with
Speaker 2: Mary's surgery.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: While doing so, he struggled to put the necessary hardware
Speaker 2: in Mary, incorrectly placing it in muscle rather than bone,
Speaker 2: causing her to later wake up in agonizing pain and
Speaker 2: unable to move her legs. Another what the fuck? I
Speaker 2: can't even look I can't even look at you. How
Speaker 2: can your face?
Speaker 1: How can you mistake muscle for bone?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but it does get worse. So another surgeon,
Speaker 2: Robert had and was called in to try and repair
Speaker 2: the damage. He said, immediately upon opening the patient's prior
Speaker 2: score scar, I could see a screw penetrating that drool sack.
Speaker 2: I don't really know what it is from the left
Speaker 2: side of the body, but it was just wobbling there.
Speaker 2: So a screw was wobbling there. It was like somebody
Speaker 2: just threw some tanker toys in there, or an erector
Speaker 2: set in there. I had absolute zero comprehension of how
Speaker 2: this surgeon could think that he had done this procedure correctly.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So unfortunately, there are other hospitals and other victims.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go through all of them since
Speaker 2: this is going to just be a one more Herder episode,
Speaker 2: but there's a few more cases I wanted to briefly note.
Speaker 2: So this is some bullet points of a bunch of shit,
Speaker 2: So just prepare yourself.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I'm gonna have to breathe deep for this, okay,
Speaker 1: give you like a countdown.
Speaker 2: Here, three, two.
Speaker 1: One, Okay, I'm good, I'm buckldac. Let's do this, okay.
Speaker 2: So he cut part of a patience spinal cord, leaving
Speaker 2: him unable to move anything on the right side of
Speaker 2: his body, saying to him, I don't know why you're
Speaker 2: like this. Everything went perfectly in there.
Speaker 3: What what.
Speaker 2: He calls Marshall muse an avid runner to spiral into addiction,
Speaker 2: losing his job and splitting from his wife because he
Speaker 2: was in so much pain after his operation, and instead
Speaker 2: of correcting whatever for an air he made, he instead
Speaker 2: prescribed him so much pain mediccation that when trying to
Speaker 2: get it filled for a second time at the pharmacy,
Speaker 2: the pharmacist refused to fill it because it was going
Speaker 2: to be harmful to him. So he just prescribed him
Speaker 2: so much pain meds that it pretty much caused an addiction. Wow,
Speaker 2: and so this guy had ruined his freaking life. He
Speaker 2: cut another patient's vocal courts during her procedure, leaving her
Speaker 2: barely able to speak. He left Philip Mayfield unable to walk.
Speaker 2: He was taken to a different hospital, receiving a new doctor,
Speaker 2: but told the damage done by doctor D was irreversible.
Speaker 2: He this is super sweet. Didn't accept this outcome and
Speaker 2: told them, yes, I will walk again. I have a
Speaker 2: life that I have to live. I have three boys
Speaker 2: I need to raise, and he was right. He eventually
Speaker 2: did regain his ability to walk after intense rehab, which
Speaker 2: I just love because that's just like an outcome of
Speaker 2: positive thinking and mind over matter.
Speaker 1: Hey, is that our badass of the day rate there?
Speaker 2: I think it probably is because he basically got a
Speaker 2: really shitty dia diagnosis and he still walks with a
Speaker 2: cane and lives with chronic pain, but he can walk
Speaker 2: when they basically said, you know, you wouldn't be able to.
Speaker 1: That's something like that. That's inspiring as fuck. Just got to
Speaker 1: say good on that guy.
Speaker 2: I know, I do think a lot of times things
Speaker 2: can be mind or matter too, right, But like it's
Speaker 2: hard to get to that mindset too where you're like,
Speaker 2: I can't overcome this when people are telling you you can't. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's an incredible person. This is really unfortunate though,
Speaker 2: but I'm going to say it. He unfortunately did die
Speaker 2: earlier this year from COVID.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: He years later had continued to receive treatments to relieve
Speaker 2: the pain that doctor D caused, and this caused him
Speaker 2: to be vulnerable to the to the virus.
Speaker 1: So technically doctor D still got to in the end.
Speaker 2: There's another one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ah fuck.
Speaker 2: So doctor D's final surgery would be on Jeff Glidewell.
Speaker 2: And this day started with doctor D being three hours
Speaker 2: late for his surgery, holy shit, arriving to the hospital
Speaker 2: by cab. So it's not like he was just in
Speaker 2: another surgery or something. Jeff was having a bad feeling
Speaker 2: about going ahead with the surgery, but his wife had
Speaker 2: reassured him and wanted him to go ahead with it.
Speaker 2: That's got feeling, right, those gut feelings. Yeah. But then honestly,
Speaker 2: if you're at the hospital like and prepped and stuff, like,
Speaker 2: to back out of that would be a ballsy decision.
Speaker 2: Most people wouldn't do that. So but once Jeff would
Speaker 2: wake up and find himself in more pain than before
Speaker 2: the surgery, also super wild, doctor D. This is where
Speaker 2: it gets interested, Like where I said more wild. Doctor
Speaker 2: D told Jeff's wife that they had to abort the
Speaker 2: surgery because he discovered a tumor that he felt could
Speaker 2: be cancer. That tumor like thing just ended up being
Speaker 2: a muscle. Like he really just does. He has no
Speaker 2: idea what he's doing. Like I think I almost feel
Speaker 2: like I could research and probably do a surgery better
Speaker 2: in a sense.
Speaker 1: Have you ever watched The Simpsons?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure, y, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Doctor Nick is just like the world's shittiest fucking doctor.
Speaker 1: This dude reminds me of doctor Nick.
Speaker 2: On the six show. Maybe that inspired it.
Speaker 1: Maybe because like on The Simpsons, doctor Nick is like
Speaker 1: doing box back alley surgeries all the time, and even
Speaker 1: one point he's like the hip bones connected to the
Speaker 1: leg bone, leg bones connected to my wristwatch. Uh oh,
Speaker 1: like that sort of stuff. And that's what this reminded
Speaker 1: me of, Like this, Oh, we had to back out
Speaker 1: because there's a tumor that's a.
Speaker 2: Muscle muscle like, oh my god. So even though he
Speaker 2: boarded the surgery, he still ended up leaving Jeff with
Speaker 2: a hole in his esophagus. He took out a nerve,
Speaker 2: cut an argery, and left a sponge inside of his body.
Speaker 1: Again, doctor Nick, it might as well be a fucking wristwatch, like.
Speaker 2: Oh my, Like, oh, this guy, Doctor Randall Kirby was
Speaker 2: Russian days later to repair doctor D's damage. Kirby described
Speaker 2: what he did to Jeff as attempted murder and because
Speaker 2: this wasn't the first time he felt they had a
Speaker 2: serial killer on the loose in their medical community. Jeff
Speaker 2: would spend months in the hospital recuperating from the surgery
Speaker 2: that need that nearly killed him. Wow, this would have
Speaker 2: doctor D's medical license finally suspended.
Speaker 1: Good, wait suspended, and later.
Speaker 2: You just can't wake and in December of twenty thirteen
Speaker 2: it would be permanently revoked. Good good, yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: Too late, though, that was thirty eight.
Speaker 2: Too many people like the thirty eight. Well, so remember
Speaker 2: at the very beginning he had thirty eight victims and
Speaker 2: thirty three of them got fucked up, right, so like
Speaker 2: he should have been not operating on a freaking single person.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Both doctors Randall Kirby and Robert Henderson, who had mentioned
Speaker 2: at times above doctors who were called in to fix
Speaker 2: doctor D's mistakes, were crucial in bringing doctor d down.
Speaker 2: Good And apparently it's very rare for doctors to turn
Speaker 2: on each other in this way. It's not something that
Speaker 2: happens often.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, if someone's doing these botch jobs so
Speaker 1: much and so prolifically.
Speaker 2: Good thing they're coming in m m, well no, it
Speaker 2: just shows those ones are in it for the right reasons. Right. So,
Speaker 2: after this, life for doctor D would fall, would fall apart.
Speaker 2: Sorry I just said would fall, but like that doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense, but it basically would fall apart, and rightfully so,
Speaker 2: he started drinking too much, shoplifting hundreds of dollars worth
Speaker 2: of items. This got him arrested. He declared bankruptcy after
Speaker 2: listing debts of over one million dollars WHOA got a
Speaker 2: dui among other things. So, like life really took turn
Speaker 2: for him. In the meantime, prosecutors were working with both
Speaker 2: doctor Kirby and doctor Henderson to find a way to
Speaker 2: formally charge doctor D, which would be a challenge. They
Speaker 2: needed to prove that doctor D's actions were wilful and
Speaker 2: intentional as defined by the Texas law.
Speaker 1: Well, that is kind of the fine line we're walking
Speaker 1: on this case, though, because maybe he really just thinks
Speaker 1: he's doing a good job, and clearly he's not. He
Speaker 1: shouldn't be doing it, But maybe he just really thinks
Speaker 1: that he's just helping these people and he's not aware
Speaker 1: that he's just that much of an idiot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. So like its challenge, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I hate to say this, but almost thank goodness
Speaker 2: for doctor D's downward spiral, because this was a process
Speaker 2: for them to figure out, and it was feared he
Speaker 2: could move elsewhere and still theoretically get a medical license apparently,
Speaker 2: So it's a good thing that he was doing this
Speaker 2: downward spiral, not just like trying to figure out how
Speaker 2: he could go work somewhere else. After interviewing dozens of
Speaker 2: doctor D's patients and their survivors, it became very clear
Speaker 2: that his actions were indeed criminal, and imprisonment would be
Speaker 2: the only option to prevent him from practicing medicine again.
Speaker 2: In July twenty fifteen, approximately a year and a half
Speaker 2: after his license was revoked, Doctor D would finally get
Speaker 2: arrested and charged with six felamy counts of aggravated assault
Speaker 2: with a deadly weapon, five counts of aggravated assault causing
Speaker 2: serious bodily injury, and one account of injury to an
Speaker 2: elderly person that was Mary. She was the seventy one
Speaker 2: year old. The last charge of injury to an elderly
Speaker 2: person was put on a high priority as it was
Speaker 2: provided as it would provide the widest sentencing range. Doctor
Speaker 2: D could face up to life in prison if convicted
Speaker 2: of this. They also believed that charge would be easily
Speaker 2: to more easily to prove in court. However, the mangle
Speaker 2: of the trial was to achieve a sentence long enough
Speaker 2: to ensure doctor D would never be able to practice
Speaker 2: medicine again, held in the Dallas Dallas Country Jail for
Speaker 2: almost two years. Finally, in twenty seventeen, doctor D was
Speaker 2: tried for the charge of injury to an elderly person. First,
Speaker 2: many of doctor D's patients were called to stand at
Speaker 2: the trial, and according to doctor D's lawyers, this isn't
Speaker 2: you will need to listen to this.
Speaker 1: I'm listening.
Speaker 2: Doctor D had not realized how poorly he had performed
Speaker 2: as a surgeon until he heard the prosecution experts tell
Speaker 2: the jury about his many blunders on the operating table.
Speaker 2: That's the scariest part of all this, Like bizarre, he
Speaker 2: had no actual idea how bad it was.
Speaker 1: I guess he had no idea how terrible.
Speaker 2: He was at the Yeah, Like did he think that
Speaker 2: that was most doctors like report that they eighty seven
Speaker 2: percent of their patients were fucked.
Speaker 1: Well, he probably just like did the job, and like, oh,
Speaker 1: it is what it is. It's not me, it's your recovery.
Speaker 1: It's not me, it's it's you dealing with pain. That's normal. Like,
Speaker 1: think of it this way. How often, how many of
Speaker 1: us go to work and we just have like that
Speaker 1: one coworker or someone we've run across who just does
Speaker 1: such a bad job and they just don't even notice,
Speaker 1: They don't even care, they don't even seem to realize
Speaker 1: how ridiculous they're fucking up all the time.
Speaker 2: And now imagine that person's a doctor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, imagine that person getting into the shoes of a
Speaker 1: doctor's position. That's all it is. There's many people out
Speaker 1: there that do this sort of thing all the time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just on a ridiculous scale with people's lives as.
Speaker 2: A scale that literally affects people's lives, terrifying part. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Doctor D's defense was poor training and lack of oversight
Speaker 2: by the hospitals. After thirteen days of trial, the jury
Speaker 2: needed only four hours to convict doctor D for the
Speaker 2: charge of injury to an elderly person. On February twentieth,
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, he was sentenced to life in prison. He
Speaker 2: was not He will not be eligible for parole until
Speaker 2: twenty forty five, when he will be seventy four years old. Wow,
Speaker 2: loot WoT.
Speaker 1: I mean I feel for him though too, because like
Speaker 1: I said, he had well, like you said, he had
Speaker 1: no idea, He had no intention of hurting these people.
Speaker 1: Clearly he was Clearly he shouldn't have been in this position,
Speaker 1: but he was. Oh this is a tough one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it's he didn't mean to. He was still doing it,
Speaker 1: but he wasn't meaning to. So yeah, he deserves reprimmendation. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should not be a doctor. Yeah, like all this
Speaker 1: is I agree, Yes, something should happen, But this whole time,
Speaker 1: he just thought he was saving people's lives.
Speaker 2: Also, all four hospitals that employed doctor Y to no surprise,
Speaker 2: had ongoing civil cases against them. Okay, So one thing
Speaker 2: that too that I ended up missing. I had it
Speaker 2: in my report and then now it's not there, and
Speaker 2: I'm at the end and I'm like, where the hell
Speaker 2: is that statement? Because this could affect affect your opinion. Okay,
Speaker 2: So in the courts they had one piece of I
Speaker 2: guess you'd call it evidence, And what it was is
Speaker 2: it was an email that he had written to his
Speaker 2: former assistant who was his ex girlfriend, and like it's bad.
Speaker 2: It says, unfortunately, you cannot understand that I am building
Speaker 2: an empire and I am so far outside the box
Speaker 2: that the earth is small and the sun is bright.
Speaker 2: I am ready to leave the love and kindness and
Speaker 2: goodness and patience that I mix with everything else that
Speaker 2: I am and become a cold blooded killer.
Speaker 1: What.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this this ex girlfriend had submitted this, and
Speaker 2: that's what it said. So in my he was I
Speaker 2: don't think he was doing his job right, and it
Speaker 2: almost did come across like he didn't realize he was
Speaker 2: doing it right. But then if you read that, it's
Speaker 2: almost like he did know and didn't give a shit.
Speaker 1: Unless because I mean, there's no context with that now
Speaker 1: there isn't and I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's just because what if this email is around
Speaker 1: the time of when there's like he's getting kicked out
Speaker 1: of hospitals and some doctors are.
Speaker 2: He could be frustrated.
Speaker 1: He could be frustrated, and he could not even be
Speaker 1: talking about his patients. He could just be like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I just want to go like murder someone. I want
Speaker 1: to go punch just guy in the face, Like people
Speaker 1: say that stuff out of anger quite frequently. I want
Speaker 1: to fucking shoot that dude. Yeah, that could be something.
Speaker 2: Like that, and it was to a loved one, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So it could maybe not have anything to do
Speaker 1: with his patients. If it does have anything to do
Speaker 1: with his patients, then yeah, fuck everything I said. This
Speaker 1: guy's every fucking intention. He's a fucking horrible person, Like
Speaker 1: fuck him, blah blah blah. But we don't know. That's
Speaker 1: the only problem.
Speaker 2: And the other thing too that I hadn't put in there,
Speaker 2: but it had said when he was growing up and
Speaker 2: he was playing all the on those football teams and stuff, right,
Speaker 2: and his teammates would say like that he like it
Speaker 2: didn't really football didn't necessarily come naturally to him, but
Speaker 2: that he put like so much effort into their into it,
Speaker 2: and there would be drills that he would just like
Speaker 2: repeat and repeat and repeat and repeat until he would
Speaker 2: get it. But he still woldn't even almost get it
Speaker 2: as as much as the other players. And so I
Speaker 2: think like he almost seemed like he has this drastic
Speaker 2: need to like do well at everything, but then he
Speaker 2: can't accept when he doesn't do it.
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, that's very possible.
Speaker 2: If that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It makes sense.
Speaker 2: So I don't know, it's it's just super shitty because
Speaker 2: there's a lot of people that are probably regretting their
Speaker 2: decisions of getting help when they actually did need those
Speaker 2: that help. And I hate, like, I just having to
Speaker 2: think that those they lost lives and now they're like
Speaker 2: paralyzed or something like that, and they were literally just
Speaker 2: trying to get help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this dude fucked up a lot of lives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you fucked up my life by introducing me to
Speaker 1: this episode, because holy fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't seem like you're going to be the same.
Speaker 2: You're never going to be able to get surgery or anything. Ain't. Yeah,
Speaker 2: probably not going to trust the soul.
Speaker 1: Probably not Well. It was one hell of an episode, babe.
Speaker 1: Good job, good research, and fuck that dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So until then, make.
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Speaker 2: Until then, stay wicked.