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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Chicks on the Right podcast.

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Very excited today to have with us Shabas Kestenbaum. He's

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a Jewish activist who filed a suit you may recall

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against Harvard for not protecting Jewish students from discrimination from harassment,

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and more recently, you might recognize him from having the

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misfortune of being on the same panel as Carrie Praijon

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Bowler at a roundtable for the Religious Freedom Commission. And

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even though Chabas was a registered Democrat, he spoke at

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the RNC in twenty twenty four and ended up endorsing

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President Trump. And I know our audience has seen you

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lots of your appearances on various news shows because we

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have played those clips on our show, and you are

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now host of The Brief, a show that is part

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of the Praeger You Network, and we want to talk

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to you today about that Religious Freedom Commission. But first,

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because the timing is just right, what did you make

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of Tucker's interview with my how could be? Oh?

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Speaker 2: My gosh, where do I begin? First of all, let

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me just say, as a young person, there are not

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many times in my life where I would agree to

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wake up at eight am. But they're not making choose yours.

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So it's really a pleasure to be with you, guys.

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I'm a longtime fan, so thank you for having me.

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Tucker's interview with Mike Huckabee really exposes what Matt Walsh

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if the Daily Wire often calls Israel derangement syndrome. So,

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if you truly believe that the economic woes at the

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United States faces, if you truly believe that the reason

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we don't have universal health care, if you truly believe

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it's because of a conflict in the Middle East, then

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I'm sorry. You're not engaging in reality and you're not

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engaging in domestic policy. And Tucker Carlson kind of proves that.

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So a month ago he went on his Twitter to say,

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who cares about Israel? If you're still talking about the

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Middle East, get over it. We want to focus on America.

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Yet almost every single episode of his show since has

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been exclusively focused on Israel and Gaza. And he's not

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even asking questions in good faith. He's asking questions in

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order to posit a theory. So, according to Tucker Carlson, I,

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as a Jewish American, need to be taking a DNA

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test to prove my ancestry in two thousand years. I mean,

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these are deranged theories that have been debunked generations ago.

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But he's placating and acquiescing to the lowest common denominator

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of our American political culture. And it shows for the

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millionth time, I will state disagree with the State of Israel.

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In fact, more than disagree, hate the State of Israel,

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hate Jews. I don't recommend it, but do it. But

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that should not in any way be used as a

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deflection to ignore the real problems that we as Americans

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face in our country that have nothing to do with

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the State of Israel. And unfortunately, we've seen podcasters like

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Nick Fuentes and Tucker Carlson Hens hijack, hijack the minds

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of Americans, particularly my generation, young Americans, to say, the

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reason your life is terrible, and the reason the economy

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is awful, and the reason you're working three jobs is

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because we're giving zero point zero zero three percent of

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our federal budget to the State of Israel. It's just

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divorced from reality.

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Speaker 3: And it's working. I mean, it's unfortunately a lot of

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that narrative is working because you see it I mean,

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at least we live a lot on social media, Mak

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and I do because of what we do for a living,

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and so we see it permeate into social media. No,

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you're very young but also brilliant, but we're old. And

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so we've been around in this game for quite some time.

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And so we've seen the Tuckers and the Canvases evolve,

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and so, you know, it's we used to really devilvee yes,

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I'm sorry, that's a better word.

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Speaker 2: Devolve.

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Speaker 3: So we've seen Tucker go from being this kind of

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a guy, right, a certain kind of a guy, to

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a completely different kind of a guy. And so I

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think there are a lot of twenty somethings out there

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that see Tucker today and they think, oh, he's always

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been like this, you know, and he hasn't. So what

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do you what do you think is happening to like

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the Tuckers and the Canvases.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me first, you know, validate the question because

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it's such an important point. When Tucker was on Fox News,

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he would spend episode after episode with guests like Josh Hammer,

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who's a mutual friend of ours, talking about the evils

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of Sharia law. Probably the supplanting of Islamism in the

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United States, and then fast forward just a couple of

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years later, he's buying a home and cutter. He believes

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that as a Christian, he's never felt safer in Saudi Arabia,

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where Christianity, of course is criminalized. So it's a total

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one eighty. We do know for a fact that TCN,

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the Tucker Carlson Network, has a lot of seed money

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from individuals connected with the Saudi government as well as

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the Katari government. So he's not engaging in good faith

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and he should be honest about it. And this actually

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brings us to the Religious Liberties Commission. So Carrie Bohler,

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for example, when she talks about how Israel is an

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ethno stated and it's based upon religious apartheid, leaving aside

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the inaccuracy of those statements, well, if you truly believe

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that that's the case. Number one is a Catholic, you

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should absolutely be calling for the abolition of Vatican City.

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But number two, have you ever heard of Saudi Arabia

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where literally, as a Christian, you cannot practice your religion exactly.

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I mean, it's just insanity. I feel like, to quote Zulander,

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actually justin Israel a week ago, two weeks ago, and again,

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hate Israel all you want, but I was there two

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weeks ago and I went to the church at the

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Holy Sepulcher, and I posted a video on my Instagram

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and I had said, look, I'm obviously Jewish. My name

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is job was castingbutt where the funny hat.

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Speaker 4: But I was actually a.

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Speaker 2: Little disappointed because when I was there's about ten in

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the morning and there were maybe one hundred, maybe one

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hundred and fifty Christian worshippers in the church. And I

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went on my Instagram and I said, look, I hate

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the state as much as you want disagree with the

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orchestration of the war in Gaza. Christians owe it to

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their religious identity to go to the church, a Holy Sepulcher,

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to get baptized in the Jordan River, to go to

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Capernaum and Nazareth and Bethlehem, like go to the places

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where the founder of your religion, where your Messiah walked

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and lived and breathed. And I can't, for the life

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of me understand why people like Tucker Carlson who have

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such a hatred, a hatred of the Jewish state have

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allowed that to overpower their own Christianity. The fact that

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you will go to Israel but not leave Bengredian Airport

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to meet with Christians, whether they be Christian Palestinians or

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Christians rableis you are?

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Speaker 4: I know this.

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Speaker 2: You were in Bengori Airport, less than a thirty five

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minute drive from the Church of the Holy Sepulcher and

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you wouldn't go. That to me is something I cannot understand.

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Speaker 3: I can't either. I absolutely can't either.

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Speaker 1: And it seems like two I mean. And this relates

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to both the Tucker interview and also the Religious Freedom Commission.

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We talked about this a little bit on our show

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this morning about this, the confusion about the term Zionism.

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That there is the sort of political, secular definition which

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resonates more with us, frankly, which is simply that Israel

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is a country. It is a sovereign country, and it's

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people have the right to live in peace.

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Speaker 4: That's it.

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Speaker 1: But then there's everything that I call her a candy Catholic.

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follow Candace Owens into the religion. There are candy Catholics

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like Carrie who who talk about this whole biblical prophecy

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angle that relates to her Catholicism, I guess, and she

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completely denies that there can even be such a thing

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as Christian Zionists.

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Speaker 4: How do you look at that issue? Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was asked to do a debate on a show

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I won't mention which show last week on Christian Zionism,

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when I basically told the producer, like, I don't.

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Speaker 4: Really think I'm equipped to debate.

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Speaker 2: You guys, debate it, let me know who wins, and

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then I'm happy to talk to them, but it's not

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really my fight. What I would say is, if you

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are a newly minted Catholic and you just converted within

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the last six months, and you are making the strong

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assertion that you she said this explicitly speak on behalf

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of all Catholics. I'm not entirely clear as to how

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you mitigate or understand nostre atat. I'm not entirely sure

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how you understand the fundamental agreement. I'm not entirely sure

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how you understand the explicit words of Pope Benedict or

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Pope Leo or Pope Francis visa VI the state of Israel.

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So you can be opposed to Zionism, but to state

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equivocally that as Catholics we are forbidden as a theological

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mandate to support the State of Israel. I'm not saying

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you're wrong, but you have to provide some evidence. And

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as a non Catholic, obviously I've only seen evidence to

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the contrary, but more fundamentally, and this is the point

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I was making on the even if you don't support Zionism,

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who the hell cares? Because I've went on the mission

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to talk about the practical religious discrimination that American Jews

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are facing on college campuses, that American Catholics were facing.

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Not far from where I live in Long Beach, there

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was an American Catholic school that was vandalized, that was

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a target of a hate crime. And I mentioned this

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to the commission and oddly enough, the commissioner, who was

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so devoted to Catholicism, who is silenced for expressing her

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Catholic viewpoints, she never once asked me any follow up

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questions on the Catholic school that was a target of

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a hate crime, like twenty minutes from where I lived.

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She didn't ask me anything about it. The only question

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she asked me was Israel, and I couldn't mention the

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word Israel in my testimony. So if you don't like Zionism,

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I don't care. It is a real that you were

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feelings to the state of Israel when I take pains

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to only talk about American Catholics, American Mormons, American Christians,

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and American Jews. And if your response to the religious

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discrimination that American citizens are facing in the United States

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is to talk about Israel, then you are clearly intellectually

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in equipped to be on President Trump's religiously British commission.

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She was not silenced for being a Catholic. She was

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silenced for being a moron.

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Speaker 1: A hundred percent totally.

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Speaker 4: Do you think it was a.

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Speaker 1: Setup, Like there's a lot of shitter chatter about how

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she was coordinating with some Muslim person or activist there.

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now's your moment. What was that all about?

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Speaker 2: Unquestionably so, for the entirety of the hearing. She was

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texting on her phone and I was on the stage,

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so I was able to see this firsthand. She was

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texting her advisor, and I'm blanking out on her name,

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but she is this young Palestinian Muslim activist. They were

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texting each other the entire time. The activist. Actually, again,

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it's funny that I always get accused of dual loyalty

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because the only people who were wearing flags of the

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foreign entity was the commissioner carry and then her advisers

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were wearing the flag of Palaestine. I was mild, so

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she was wearing a flag of pals On as well

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as a key to symbolize that we, as pales Jaians,

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will return to a homeland that was never actually hours

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after a war that we started in nineteen forty eight

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and lost. Nevertheless, Israel has offered their own state that

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Speaker 4: But I digressed.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, they were texting throughout the entirety of the time.

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such a strong proponent of the Catholic fate and the

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right of American Catholics, all of her questions were scripted.

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Speaker 4: And in the beginning I.

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Speaker 2: Was very respectful to her during the committee and also

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the days afterwards. But the reason I'm now getting a

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little more upset is because after my repeated respectful invitations

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to debate, she herself said on the commission we would

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be great friends. Let's grab coffee, and I said, great,

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to debate, she finally responded to me two three days

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ago by saying, and I quote, Christ is your king.

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Oh if you are using your newly found religion as

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a scapegoat to engage in intellectual discourse and exchange of ideas,

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then I truly question your ability to comprehend big ideas

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and complexities in our country. And I'm really upset because

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I know many many Catholics. I have many Catholic friends,

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and they too are upset by how people are hijacking

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their faith to further their political ads.

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Speaker 3: And oh, yeah, in that a lot what. I don't

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think there's any question that she's a Palestinian activist, useful idiot.

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wore that pin. We were all like, what are you

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doing like that?

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Speaker 2: I think it's pretty disgraceful if you're a Commissioner of

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a federal commission, meaning a President Trump. Let's say President

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I was in there. President Trump signed an executive order.

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I was at the White House when he did it

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establishing this Religious Liberties Commission. So this isn't downed by

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the power of the federal government. And if you are

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abusing the trust, not only the federal government but of

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the president that you know we've supported and campaigned for,

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you're abusing for us for your own political agenda and

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your own political narrative. Have your own commission. Talk about

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Candice Owans and Christus King and Nick Fund talk about

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it as much as you want, but you don't have

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the authority to hijack this particular commission, especially when there

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are so many young Americans, young Catholics, young Mormons, young Christians,

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young Jews, who need help, who need the resources and

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the federal government, and you don't care about any of that.

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Speaker 4: Cool do yeah?

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Speaker 3: And thankfully there are a lot of like we have

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a lot of listeners and viewers that are very upset

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that she has hijacked, you know, Catholicism that they both

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have they're upset about it, but it's just it's not enough.

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Because they're out there and they're praying around saying crisis King,

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and she's such a horrible representation. It seems to be

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really profitable for them. Yeah, it's been profitable for both

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of them. It's been profitable for a lot of these

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people who are just clearly anti Semitic.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, sorry, if I could just quickly

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enter inenerject, it's such a good point when people say

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I'm being silenced. She has gained one hundred thousand followers

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since her outbursts, So if Jews are silencing her, we're

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doing a really bad job. Right. If you want to

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make it in this industry, and by industry, I mean

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the podcast first, the man os, fear, the twittersphere, whatever,

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the easiest thing you can do, the best thing you

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can do, the most profitable thing you can do is

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talk about Jews, Zionism, Christ is your King, all of

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the above, and you will become a star relatively quickly. Right.

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I've it in the space for a out three years

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or so. I could barely crack fifty thousand followers. It's

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because I'm kind of boring and I talk about the West,

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and I talk about capitalism, and I talk about democracy,

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and no one's really interested in it because it's not

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really click.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't really rate. We are we have you on

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our show.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't generate, it doesn't generate as much as much outrage.

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But if you talk about how there's a Zionis supremacist

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plot to take over the United States, which is something

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she has actually said, then you'll you'll get a lot of.

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Speaker 3: And listen, we get that. We totally get it because

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we've seen that happen with so many people where they

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just it's a grift, It's an absolute grift, and they

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get so much popularity and they're making so much money

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off of something so disgusting, and.

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Speaker 4: It's it's like, what do you do?

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Speaker 3: But people are buying into it, and I just I

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don't know. Do you think that we're going to become

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like the UK? Do you think we're gonna like do

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you see that?

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certainly hope not. I think the UK it's a failed

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state in the same way Canada is a failed state.

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The reason I'm saying know is because unlike the United Kingdom,

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one of the things that is holding up our democracy

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is we do have the First Amendment, and we do

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have the free speech. We do have free speech, which

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again it really frustrates me that American Jews are always

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accused of stifling free speech or the First Amendment, when

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the greatest threat to free speech in the First Amendment

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on American institutions of higher learning, for example, are Palaestadians.

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It's not even a question. The only group college campuses

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who have thrown rocks through buildings, who have who have

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canceled classes, who have disrupted classrooms to talk about an

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into fauda, who have dis invited lecturers and guest speakers.

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groups attached to the pro Palestinian cause. I cannot point

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to a single either pro Israel or American Jewish institution

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or group on an American college campuses. American college campus

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that have I don't know, blockaded the library, that have

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vandalized the Muslim student Association building, that have thrown rocks

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through the dorm window. The greatest assault on free speech

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is the pro Palestinian movement. And I'm sick and tired

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of pretending that that is not the case.

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Speaker 1: And it's while they scream anti fascist, you know exactly

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in a world.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is why I get a little frustrated,

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because I made it so clear, not only at this commission,

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but every time I'm on Piers Morgan or any time

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I'm on a debate show, I always make it clear

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you have a right in America to hate Jews and

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to hate Muslims, and to hate Christians and Gays. I

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don't recommend it because I don't think you'll get very

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foreign life. I think you'll find that people who don't

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want to hire you, people won't want to associate themselves

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with you. But you can do it because you have

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free speech and the First Amendment. The only thing I'm

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concerned about is when you violate the law. And again

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this frustrates me because I made this point at a

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conference in Miami a few weeks ago, and the grifters

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online deliberately spliced and clipped what I had said to

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make it seem as though I was saying the only

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way we combat anti Semitism is by imprisoning.

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Speaker 4: People who criticize Israel.

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Speaker 2: Is not true, but again that is the opposite of

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what I believe in and this idea that criticizing Israel

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is somehow illegal. Any of you have Twitter, have any

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of you like read a newspaper. The only topic the

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media is concerned with, the only topic you know twenty

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five year olds and under are concerned with is criticizing Israel. Great,

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go for it. I'm not concerned if you hate Israel

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or hate the Jews. I'm concerned if you throw a

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rock through the synagogue. I'm concerned when you hands on

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American Jewish student. That's when the only solution is to

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prosecute crime. And in America we have a crisis of accountability.

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Whether it's leftist das, whether it is prosecutors who don't

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prosecute crime, whether it's judges and jurors. The only solution.

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It's not just true of anti Semitism, it's true of

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any type of criminality. The only way that we can

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restore accountability and justice in our system is by prosecuting crime.

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No more diversion programs, nor more cash list bail. When

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someone commits a crime, send them to jail. That is

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a mass a.

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Speaker 1: What's the status then of Because as we often joke

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on our show about Carrie's insistence that she is still

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a part of the Commission. She's not e f and leaving.

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So is that true? Like when are you guys meeting again?

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And is she going to show up?

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Speaker 2: Like what is this?

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Speaker 4: How does that? And how does that work?

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Speaker 3: How often do you meet? How often does that happen?

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Speaker 2: So I'm not on the commission. There are thirteen commissioners.

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And by the way, again when she says the Zionist

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are silencing her, of the thirteen commissioners, all of them

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are Christian except one, rab By Maricelavachik, and at least

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four of them are Catholic themselves.

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Speaker 4: But I digress.

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Speaker 2: But I was a witness to this hearing, and I

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work closely with many of the commissioners in terms of

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religious liberties, because at the end of the year, they're

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going to provide essentially a well researched document, a paper

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to the President outlining the specific policies that he can

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advance to alleviate the religious discrimination that Americans are facing.

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So I can confirm you heard it from me first,

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based on my sources and friends in the White House.

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She has been fired from the Commission. Den Patrick, who's

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the Lieutenant Governor of Texas does have the authority to

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remove her from the commission.

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Speaker 4: But even if he.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't, this came from the top. President Trump wanted her

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off the commission. And the reason that carry is saying, well,

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I'm only leaving if the President tells me the President

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doesn't care about you. Okay, Like, lady, get this through

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your head. I'm a nob Custembaum am a nobody, and you,

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Carrie Boehler, you're also a nobody. So President Drum it's

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not going to write letters about either of us because

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it's a waste of his time. He doesn't think about you.

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You don't occupy enough space in his busy schedule whereby

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he's actually going to write down, whether it's a tweet

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or a letter, and saying you're off the commission. That's

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how much of a nobody both you and I are.

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Speaker 4: So she's best friends with Candace come home right.

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Speaker 2: Well. The problem is, though, and I think you were

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alluding to this, the problem is in our grifting culture.

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I can guarantee you what she is going to do

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at the next hearing is she is going to show

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up and she's going to show up with her phone

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on a live ride with hundreds of Candace Owens provocateurs,

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and she is going to demand that she'd be let

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into the building, And when she is inevitably not let

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into the building, it's because they're silencing her Catholic voice.

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Speaker 4: That's how the grift works. So you heard it.

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Speaker 2: I get not that Dan Patrick, you know, should listen

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to me, But if he wants to listen to me,

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I think she should be allowed into the meeting simply

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because it's open to the public. But no one really

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cared about the Commission until she came up with these

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bizarre conspiracy theories. She should be allowed to listen because

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that's any Americans right. But if she wants to disrupt

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or propagate her own narrative, then that that is certainly

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not appropriate.

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Speaker 4: Then she should be removed.

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Speaker 2: But I do think she should be allowed into the

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building because that would negate the preconceived notion she has

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of I'm going to be silenced for my free speech.

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Tune in watch my show and you'll see why. But

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the next hearing, this is important for your listeners to

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know in case they don't. It's true the previous meeting

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focused on anti Semitism. The Commission is not set up

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to deal exclusively with anti Semitism. That was the sixth

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hearing they've held. The previous five were all about anti

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anti Christian biases. In fact, I think the one prior

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to our hearing was about anti Catholic excuse me, anti

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Christian discrimination in the workforce. So people often say, why

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this is a commission just about anti Semitism. It's just

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not true. You've only started paying attention at this particular hearing.

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But as I said, hearings are publicly available. I encourage

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all Americans you should go to them. In fact, there

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were only about fifty people in the room last time.

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There should be five hundred people in the room. Because

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religious discrimination is a really important issue in the United States,

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and that's why we have commissioners who are singularly focused

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on that issue. And if you are interested in advancing

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your own political agenda, if you're interested in debating the

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merits of Candice Owens, if you're interested in talking about

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a foreign conflict in the Middle East, I mean, go

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for it. But you don't do that on this commission,

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because that's not what we're set up to do.

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Speaker 3: I just wonder if she because I didn't, and you're

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absolutely right not many people were as interested until she

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opened her loud mouth that one day. But I'm just

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I'm curious as if she was as boisterous and bold

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and as you know, defensive of people, you know, being

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against Catholics as she was in that anti submitted here.

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I'm very a Palestine pine right.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you asked that because I was at the

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first and second hearing, and obviously I was at the

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fifth when I testified. And the answer is no, looked up.

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So again, it was a it was a pre orchestrated ploy,

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a pre orchestrated prop And if you again, if you

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want to talking about Israel, I'm happy to talk about Israel.

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I'm happy to debate. But President Trump said, set up

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this commission to focus on American lives. And again, I

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just find it so frustrating and so ironic when she says,

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how come Israel has been mentioned so many times? A

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thought though, this was America. Bro, Look at my testimony

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ten minutes. I did not mention Israel. I did not

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mention Zionism. I did not mention Apak, I did not

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mention Bib, I did not mention Gaza. I did not

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mention Zionism. So if you listened to a ten minute

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testimony of an American talking about religious discrimination against his

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friends who are Catholic and Christian and Mormon and Jewish,

476
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and then you are self deposed to only ask about Israel,

477
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then clearly you're the problem.

478
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if it's supposed to be centered on American lives,

479
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don't walk in there with the freaking Palestine pin on.

480
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Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. So again, I'll use your platform.

481
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Speaker 2: I've been using any platform to say, Carrie, anytime you

482
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want to have a respectful dialogue, I would believe.

483
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Speaker 4: It anytime anywhere.

484
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Speaker 2: I think we actually both live in California, So you

485
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let me know, and I'm happy to debate these issues.

486
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But if your response is only to be Christ is

487
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your king, then I have serious doubts about your intellectual

488
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abilities to have an adult conversation.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would not.

490
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Speaker 1: I would not give her a tiny, the tiniest bit

491
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of credit to be able to do that.

492
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Speaker 4: One would love to see it talked about.

493
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Speaker 1: We would love our show too. Is that we're a

494
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little concerned that the friendship that jd Vance has with

495
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Tucker could be a problem tross around his neck for

496
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this next election. Cycle for president, and I know, based

497
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on because I follow you on Twitter, of course, that you,

498
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like us, would prefer to see a Marco Rubio in

499
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twenty twenty eight. Do you want to talk about your

500
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preference a little bit and does it have anything to.

501
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Speaker 4: Do with that.

502
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Speaker 2: I want to be as non controversial as possible, So

503
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when you ask me about JD Vance, my answer is

504
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,200
simple and succinct, which is President Marco Rubio has a

505
00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:58,240
really nice sound to it, doesn't it. I without getting

506
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into JD specifically, and I don't want to get in

507
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,480
any trouble here, and a lot can change between now

508
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and the election, but I will say in general, is

509
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anyone who believes that Tucker Carlson is a voice of

510
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conservatism clearly does not know Tucker Carlson. Forget about Israel

511
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just for a moment, forgot about the fact that he

512
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wants me to have a DNA.

513
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Speaker 4: Test, which believing that all aside.

514
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Speaker 2: This is someone who again he felt bad that Nicholas

515
00:23:23,279 --> 00:23:26,559
Maduro was extradited to the United States because Nicholas Maduro. Yeah,

516
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he might be a socialist where ninety percent of his

517
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:31,559
people live in abject poverty, but he doesn't like gay people.

518
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This is someone who's so out of touch with conservatism.

519
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:35,960
This is someone who, as I said, is buying a

520
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home and cutter. This is someone who feels safe as

521
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a Christian practice in Christianity in Saudi Arabia, even though

522
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it is criminalized in Saudi Arabia. This is someone who

523
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went to Russia to exclaim the virtues of the Putin regime.

524
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This is someone who has not yet found a either

525
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,680
Communist dictator or an Islamic dictator who he would have

526
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,039
a friendship and dialogue with. This is someone who believes

527
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that what's in America's best interest is actually what in

528
00:23:59,559 --> 00:24:01,839
Putin's best interests. So if you think this is the

529
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,279
future of conservatism, you know, then I really fear for

530
00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:09,000
the future of conservatism. Refusing to engage with individuals I

531
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don't just mean Tucker, but let's talk more broadly about

532
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,319
Nick or Candice or whomever. Refusing to engage with individuals

533
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who believe, for example, that we should imprison all blacks,

534
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,359
that we should deport all Mexicans even if they're legal,

535
00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:25,000
that we should rape women whom we disagree with politically.

536
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,640
Refusing to engage with those individuals is not engaging in

537
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,000
cancel culture. It's engaging in common sense and we just

538
00:24:32,079 --> 00:24:35,039
used to know this. That's why William Buckley, when he

539
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,680
ostracized the John Birch Society, he became a hero of

540
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,519
the conservative movement because its conservatives we recognize there are

541
00:24:41,519 --> 00:24:43,200
things we believe in and there are things we don't

542
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,000
believe in, and if you don't believe in our policies

543
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or whatever, that's your prerogative. That's actually pray for democracy.

544
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You know, in the marketplace of ideas, let's have a

545
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clash of which ideas are better. However, we don't have

546
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an obligation to promote and provide a platform for the

547
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those ideas. So the example I always give is if

548
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someone believed in genital mutilation. If someone believed that nine

549
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,240
year olds who think they're in the wrong body has

550
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a constitutional right to go to a doctor and say, doctor,

551
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cut off my genitals and implant the different organs of

552
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the different gender, and doctor, if you don't do that,

553
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then I'm going to sue you for civil rights discrimination.

554
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If someone believed that that's true and he went to

555
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,799
SEAPAC and said, Seapack, you better platform me, and SEAPAC says, well,

556
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You're free to believe what you want. That's her prerogative.

557
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,359
But we're not going to platform you because we don't

558
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,440
believe in that thing. Is Seapack silencing his voice. No,

559
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,920
Sea PAC is conserving what they believe to be in

560
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,319
the best interest of the American people. And this is

561
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why I get so frustrated again with people like carry,

562
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because you do have a right to free speech. What

563
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:45,799
you lack is the ability to comprehend that I have

564
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,920
a right not to listen to you. I have a

565
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,680
rights not to platform you. President Trump has a right

566
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,519
to decide who's on his own commission or not so

567
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,519
too when it comes to people like Tucker Carlson or

568
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Nick Flintezer, whomever.

569
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Speaker 4: We cannot fool.

570
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Speaker 2: Ourselves into believing that if we refuse to give these

571
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people a microphone and we're somehow engaging in cancel culture

572
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the opposite. One of the reasons, one of the many

573
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reasons that we're going to get a root awakening as

574
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Republicans and as conservatives in the midterms, and one of

575
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the reasons we have an updill battle in the presidential

576
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elections in twenty twenty eight is because we don't define

577
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and we don't defend what it means to be a

578
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conservative anymore. It's yes, more ideological diversity than the left,

579
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and that's good. We're an open ten party and that's very,

580
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very healthy.

581
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Speaker 4: But within the.

582
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Speaker 2: Overton window, there are accepted discourses and accepted ideologies, and

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we cannot and should not entertain all ideas because ideas

584
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are just bad. That's why we are conservatives and not leftists,

585
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because if we just believe in all ideas, then we

586
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would be welcoming people who believe in genital mutilation. But

587
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we don't because that's not good for the American people.

588
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Speaker 3: You're absolutely right.

589
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Speaker 1: It's why we get so frustrated by the silence of

590
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,279
conservatives that we have long admired. Not pushing back against

591
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some of these crazier voices right now makes us crazy.

592
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,039
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So again, without discussing jad in particular, because I don't

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want anyone to I don't want to get myself in trouble,

595
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I will say, if you truly believe that this is

596
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someone who needs to remain within the Republican Party even

597
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:17,680
though he himself has moved increasingly adrift from the Republican Party,

598
00:27:17,839 --> 00:27:20,039
then then I'm not sure why we should support you,

599
00:27:20,079 --> 00:27:23,039
because my loyalties is not to a person, it's not

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to even a party.

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Speaker 4: It's two ideologies. It's two policies.

602
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Speaker 2: And I believe conservative policies or what's in the best

603
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interests of the American people. And if you are willing

604
00:27:32,839 --> 00:27:37,319
to sacrifice policies in the name of people, personas, or party,

605
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,160
then I'm not sure we're aligned anymore.

606
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:39,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not.

607
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Speaker 4: I don't think that's conservative at all.

608
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Speaker 3: Plus, I mean, if you just look at just common sense,

609
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,759
look at Marco Rubio, he's just more experienced, he's done

610
00:27:46,759 --> 00:27:48,039
more things, he's been around a lot long.

611
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Speaker 4: He's just the right guy for the job. Yeah.

612
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,839
Speaker 2: I mean, if I look at every major foreign policy

613
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,920
accomplishment of the second term, I mean Marco Rubio has

614
00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,599
been orchestrating it rates Trump and to his bizarre day credit.

615
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,480
I'm not sure why he said this, but at the

616
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Governor's dinner at the White House two nights ago, jd

617
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Vance explicitly said, you know what's great about being the

618
00:28:07,799 --> 00:28:09,480
vice president is I don't have to be blamed for

619
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,920
anything because I'm not doing anything, which is a weird,

620
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,319
weird campaign strategy. So yes, whether I support JD or not.

621
00:28:17,759 --> 00:28:20,160
Let me just give you know, free advice. Definitely don't

622
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,519
say that out loud because the Democrats will use that

623
00:28:22,519 --> 00:28:24,880
as amo against you when you decide to run for president.

624
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Speaker 1: Well oh my gosh, Okay, totally switching gears. And I

625
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,920
know this is personal, but I have to ask. Last summer,

626
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,240
you donated a kidney to a complete stranger, and I

627
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:41,440
that is amazing for at all this it's just incredibly altruistic.

628
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,559
And I know you've heard that many times before. But

629
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:48,160
what we want to understand your thought process, like what

630
00:28:48,319 --> 00:28:50,720
compelled you to do it and would you ever want

631
00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:52,400
to find out who has it?

632
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, well great question.

633
00:28:54,599 --> 00:28:57,119
Speaker 2: Let me first start off by saying that the reason

634
00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:58,480
I'm actually about to tell you what I'm about to

635
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,319
tell you is because as American Jews were so often

636
00:29:00,359 --> 00:29:02,640
accused of du a loyalty, of only caring about ourselves.

637
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,599
I'm incredibly proud of the fact that Orthodox Jews are

638
00:29:05,599 --> 00:29:07,400
about zero point three percent of the population in the

639
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,440
United States. We are responsible for eighteen percent of all

640
00:29:10,599 --> 00:29:14,119
ultruistic kinney donations in the United States. Oh, I encourage

641
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:18,240
every every faith based organization. I encourage every religion take

642
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,599
a playbook from Orthodox Jews.

643
00:29:19,599 --> 00:29:21,279
Speaker 4: I mean, you guys are you're.

644
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: Clearly trying to run the entire donation.

645
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 4: This is gonna spin this.

646
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: You know, she is the way we control the go

647
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,200
is we actually implant a piece of ourselves into the

648
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,279
GOI and we're just feeding, you know, slop into their brain.

649
00:29:37,559 --> 00:29:39,519
Get I'm very, very proud of the fact that I

650
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:41,119
grew up in a community where this is a very

651
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,359
very normal thing to do. My tenthary Tom, the teacher,

652
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,880
Robi Drelich, he did this, My principal did this, My

653
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,039
neighbor did this. So it's really not out of the

654
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,480
ordinary for an Orthodox Jew to be donating their kidney.

655
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:53,599
And again, I'm not saying this to sound elitist. On

656
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,920
the contrary, I'm saying this so that other people should

657
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,119
be inspired to do the same thing. I'm not particularly

658
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,559
strong or brave or good with needles, but if I

659
00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,440
can do it, I really encourage the you know, my

660
00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:06,759
fellow Americans to quote JFK. Ask not what your country

661
00:30:06,799 --> 00:30:07,960
can do for you, ask what you can do for

662
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,240
your country. And this was a remarkable thing to do

663
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,599
in terms of the as I said, it was not

664
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,960
really something I thought about for two. I mean, actually

665
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,480
I did think about it for a while, because there's

666
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,359
an email I'm twenty six. There's an email I sent

667
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:21,319
to the organization that I donated my kidney with when

668
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,200
I was eighteen, saying this is something I want to do,

669
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,200
and they said, come back to us when you're twenty one,

670
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,079
and lo and behold. I did, and they said, Okay,

671
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:29,960
we weren't really expecting you to follow up, but you

672
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,319
know from the blood test, and we'll store your biological information.

673
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,960
Oh my gosh, rare blood type. I'm AB positive, which

674
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,440
is actually very selfish blood type, meaning I can receive

675
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,480
blood from anyone, but I can only give to other

676
00:30:41,519 --> 00:30:42,279
AB positives.

677
00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 4: So sorry.

678
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 2: And because it's a rare blood type, I think less

679
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than one percent of the world has this. My information

680
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,880
kind of just sat on the shelf for about five

681
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,640
six years, and then I get a call in February

682
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,319
of twenty twenty five saying we have a match. And

683
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:01,680
the timing was really bad because I knew I was

684
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:03,720
moving to Los Angeles from New York to start the

685
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,319
show at Prager You, So I essentially said, can I

686
00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,680
do this next winter when I know I'll be back

687
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880
in New York with my family. They basically said, you

688
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,680
know it's your choice. We're not going to force you

689
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,960
one way or the other. But essentially, if you don't

690
00:31:16,039 --> 00:31:18,480
do it now, there's not going to be a can

691
00:31:18,519 --> 00:31:21,920
I do it next winter because you will, So no pressure,

692
00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:24,880
no pressure, but you know it's other now or never.

693
00:31:25,519 --> 00:31:28,279
So the way you donated kidney is you have to

694
00:31:28,279 --> 00:31:30,960
be at your most healthy. Obviously, to receive the kidney,

695
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,960
you're at your most sick, and so you go through

696
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,759
a series of tests. I was at the hospital for

697
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,200
about fifteen sixteen hours. They do, We're a test imaginable,

698
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,519
not just medical, but also psychological. They want to make

699
00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:42,119
sure you're not suicidal. They want to make sure you're

700
00:31:42,119 --> 00:31:44,640
not being pressured to do this. Only thirty percent of

701
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,400
kidney donors actually get accepted to donate their kidney.

702
00:31:47,519 --> 00:31:48,559
Speaker 4: So, thank my God.

703
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: Accepted and then the big day came in June, because

704
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,480
as I said, it takes a while to be approved.

705
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,000
And three days after donating to kidney, I was back

706
00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,920
from the hospital back home. A week after that, I

707
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,160
actually did my annual sixty mile bike ride from Auschwitz

708
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,759
Berknow to the Jewish Community Center of crackout, and then

709
00:32:07,799 --> 00:32:11,039
two weeks after that, I've moved to Los Angeles. So

710
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if I can do it, and again I'm not a

711
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,240
model of physical health. Then I encouraged the American people

712
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:19,160
to really consider kidney donation or just organ donation, even

713
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,640
blood donations as something that, you know, that would help

714
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,839
the average American. In terms of my recipient, at the time,

715
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,279
I had no idea who they were, and all I

716
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,599
knew was actually was a father with two sets of twins.

717
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:35,039
She got a letter right before the donation. We were

718
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,480
actually separated by just one thin wall. We had no

719
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,279
idea who the other person were, but were right next

720
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:41,200
door to each other, and he wrote me a role again.

721
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,720
I didn't know who he was, just saying, dear Donor, you know,

722
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:45,359
because of you, I can be a father again.

723
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 4: I could be a husband again. How do I think?

724
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: Gosh, very very emotional, so I actually emotional, just sing

725
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:51,039
it out loud.

726
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:51,759
Speaker 4: I am too.

727
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,799
Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on meeting him, He wasn't really planning

728
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:58,440
on meeting me. It wasn't really something that crossed my mind.

729
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,519
But then two months ago the organization renewal that I

730
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:04,359
had donated my kidney with They had said, you know,

731
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960
he would be interested in meeting you and thanking you

732
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,359
in person, and that we met. We met about two

733
00:33:10,359 --> 00:33:10,839
months ago.

734
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 4: He was very very me cry and and chicks.

735
00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 3: The light is very I'm seriously like losing it that.

736
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,759
That's just remarkable.

737
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 2: So I can I can confidently say I'm not a

738
00:33:24,519 --> 00:33:27,200
very impressive individual. But of all the quote unquote cool

739
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,839
things I've done in my life, going to the White House,

740
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:35,000
being at the Republican Convention, speaking with Trump, testifying in Congress,

741
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:37,519
or at the canesset, traveling the world, I can confidently

742
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,240
say that the coolest, the most meaningful, and the most

743
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:43,240
rewarding thing I have ever done with my life has

744
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,039
been donating a kidney. And I would say my only

745
00:33:46,119 --> 00:33:47,720
regret is that I can't do it again.

746
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 4: I don't try.

747
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: Yes, that's an amazing story.

748
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:55,319
Speaker 3: Really is amazing.

749
00:33:57,279 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: So I saw that there were rumors, I don't know

750
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,680
if they're true, So we're going to just take it

751
00:34:01,759 --> 00:34:05,400
straight to the horse's mouth that you might be planning

752
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,000
a run for Congress at some point.

753
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,559
Speaker 2: True or false, It's true that I was thinking about it.

754
00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:13,480
So essentially I'm a New Yorker and needless to say,

755
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:16,360
we New Yorkers, especially New York Conservatives, are in a

756
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,199
very precarious state. We just elected a socialist Islamist. Yeah,

757
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,400
and Jerry Nadler, who was I think the longest serving

758
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,519
congressman from the New York delegation, he announced his retirement.

759
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,920
So there was just an avalanche of people who were

760
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:34,960
running for his seat, from JFK's grandson to Cameron Kaski

761
00:34:35,039 --> 00:34:38,960
to really anyone you can think of is trying. George Conway.

762
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,880
Oh Conway, thank you. So I was thinking about it

763
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:47,039
because although I'm a Conservative, technically I'm still a registered Democrat.

764
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:48,840
And the reason I'm still a restured Democrat is because

765
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,440
my residency is New York and if I want to

766
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,000
have any say on New York politics, it would be

767
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,880
foolish to be a Republican in a city where Democrats

768
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,599
outnumber Republicans eight to one. So if I wanted to

769
00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:00,719
vote against Orammdani, the only I could do that would

770
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,840
be in the Democratic primary. But I want to restore

771
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,480
normalcy to the Democratic Party. As Ronald Reagan said, I

772
00:35:05,519 --> 00:35:08,519
did not abandon the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party abandoned me.

773
00:35:09,159 --> 00:35:12,599
I was seriously considering running for Congress simply because I

774
00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:16,320
was approached by a broad spectrum of concern New Yorkers

775
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:20,159
from an array of political ideologies, who are concerned about

776
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,360
and are concerned about the direction that the Democratic Party

777
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,440
is taking not only under Jerry Nadler, but also the

778
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,679
future Congressman of that district. Essentially, this race is a

779
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,360
race to be the next AOC and that's eventually why

780
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,199
I decided I was not going to run at this

781
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,920
particular time for this particular seat. I am open to

782
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,360
running for Congress in the future simply because if I

783
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,800
can make a difference for my community, I would be

784
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,360
foolish not to. In Judaism, we have the word on anova,

785
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,559
which essentially means humility, and the way we understand humility

786
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,599
is not I'm a nobody, I'm a nothing, but it's no, no, no.

787
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,039
If you have the cure for cancer, for example, you

788
00:35:53,039 --> 00:35:55,400
have an obligation to tell people what that cure is

789
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,480
because if you don't, you are robbing millions of people

790
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,559
of a good life. However, the humility is right recognizing

791
00:36:00,599 --> 00:36:02,559
that the gifts and the talents don't come from you,

792
00:36:02,599 --> 00:36:04,480
they come from the one above. They come from God.

793
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,239
So my understanding is if I can make a difference.

794
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,599
I'm not saying I can. I'm not saying I'm so extraordinary.

795
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,039
But if people think I can make a difference, I

796
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:15,000
would be foolish, both to them and for myself. Is

797
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,079
saying no, no, no, not me. If I can do it,

798
00:36:18,119 --> 00:36:19,519
if I could be of help, I will do it.

799
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,519
But this time and place is not the right time.

800
00:36:22,599 --> 00:36:24,320
It's not the right place because I would have to

801
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:26,800
surrender my political values. I would have to pretend to

802
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,800
be someone i'm not. And this is the problem that

803
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,119
the Democratic Party is facing is they have candidates who

804
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:33,440
are spewing nonsense that they themselves don't believe in. I

805
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,679
know some of the candidates running in this race because

806
00:36:35,679 --> 00:36:38,719
I spoken to them about myself about joining, and many

807
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,760
of them don't believe the things they're saying, especially when

808
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280
it comes to Israel. But they're so hijacked, they're so

809
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,159
scared of what their base has become. They will say

810
00:36:47,199 --> 00:36:50,800
things and play cad and acquiesce to the radical, loudest

811
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:51,840
minority of the base.

812
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, I think you're extraordinary. I don't think you

813
00:36:55,159 --> 00:36:58,079
care yourself enough credit. Yeah, it would be great. I'd

814
00:36:58,079 --> 00:37:00,199
love to see you on our side running for some thing.

815
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,559
I think it'd be fantastic.

816
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, if I could also just add and

817
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,039
first of all, you know, tell that to carry that,

818
00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:10,400
I'm just so amazing. But you know, the problem with

819
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,960
American political discourse, in the American political culture today is

820
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,280
if I were trying as a Democrat, for example, even

821
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,239
though you know I sel technically am a restior Democrat,

822
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,679
the Democrats hate me because even though I'm quite clear

823
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,000
about my policies, I take pictures with Trump, and I

824
00:37:24,039 --> 00:37:25,800
go to the White House and I meet with Republicans

825
00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:26,719
and that's a no go.

826
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 4: The Democrats hate me.

827
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: But at the same time, so many Republicans hate me

828
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,440
because they will look at this I don't know, forty

829
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,400
five minute conversation that we've had, which I would say

830
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,880
is pretty nuanced, pretty rational, based in logic and data

831
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:40,760
and fact, and all they would notice is the ten

832
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,599
seconds where I say I'm a registered Democrat and they

833
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,440
would say, well, you're a libtard, you're a leftist, and

834
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,320
they wouldn't support me. Yeah, And I think that's one

835
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,159
of the problems of them again, American political discourses.

836
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 3: It is a problem.

837
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 2: So either on my team or your team, and again,

838
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,039
I'm a proud conservative. I affiliate more with the Republican Party.

839
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,159
I advance the things that you talk about on your show,

840
00:37:59,159 --> 00:38:01,199
which is why I listen to your so often. But

841
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,599
that is being lost in, as I said, political binaries.

842
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:06,840
Either you have the small R or the small D.

843
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,559
That's all people care about, and that's dangerous for the

844
00:38:09,559 --> 00:38:11,039
health of our democracy I care about.

845
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,039
Speaker 3: You're right, Yeah, it's true.

846
00:38:15,079 --> 00:38:17,679
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how much we've enjoyed this conversation.

847
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,119
I wanted to just also mention that I know you've

848
00:38:20,119 --> 00:38:23,840
spent time in my motherland. My parents are Polish and

849
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,639
my dad is a Polish Jew. As a matter of fact,

850
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,239
I'm a mutt because my mom is Catholic and my

851
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:35,000
dad is a Jew. It's been a very interesting upbringing,

852
00:38:35,039 --> 00:38:37,079
to say the least. But I love that you've spent

853
00:38:37,159 --> 00:38:38,159
so much time there.

854
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,280
Speaker 4: Yes, oh my, I love Poland.

855
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 2: Poland is I hope I can speak at seapack Poland

856
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,320
just because I would gush about how much I love

857
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,880
the country. Our greatest ally in Europe, mark my words.

858
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,760
It's not the United Kingdom, it's not France, it's not Germany.

859
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,639
It is Poland. Poland is the fastest growing economy in Europe.

860
00:38:54,639 --> 00:38:57,079
It's actually one of the largest economies in the world today.

861
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,639
It is staunchly pro America. In fact, the only country

862
00:39:00,679 --> 00:39:04,079
outside of Israel that has as much pro American sympathies

863
00:39:04,079 --> 00:39:08,320
by the general public is Poland. They are staunchly anti fascist,

864
00:39:08,599 --> 00:39:12,519
staunchly anti communist. They have been spending more on their

865
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:15,440
military as a percentage of their GDP than any other

866
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,880
European country, and they've been doing this for years, even

867
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,280
before President Trump. They have a rich tradition. They are

868
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,000
proud to be a Christian nation while also guaranteeing the

869
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:25,159
rights of religious freedom.

870
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Speaker 4: For produced.

871
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 2: I've been there more than thirty times. I have never

872
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:32,360
once experienced anti Jewish discrimination. The only time I've ever

873
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:36,039
experienced anti Jewish discrimination was at Harvard University, was on

874
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:37,920
the subways of New York City. It was never once

875
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:41,079
in Poland. And as the saying goes, yes chapposka nez Guinewa,

876
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:42,719
that Poland is not yet lost.

877
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,039
Speaker 4: So long as the.

878
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:47,559
Speaker 2: Spirit of patriotism and a burning sense of belief in

879
00:39:47,599 --> 00:39:50,559
God is burning amongst the Polish people, the country is

880
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:52,519
not lost. And I think that is a beautiful message

881
00:39:52,559 --> 00:39:55,000
that young Americans should tap into as well. We should

882
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,840
tap into the patriotism and the fierce love of country

883
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,840
that young Poles have and apply that to our love

884
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:02,280
for the United States. So big, big fan of Poland.

885
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: I love that.

886
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: I love it.

887
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 4: That totally tracks, that totally tracks mock. I love it.

888
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:08,960
Thank you so much.

889
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,800
Speaker 1: Tell people in our audience how they can follow you

890
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:12,559
and your work.

891
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,320
Speaker 2: Oh man, Well, if they're silly enough to do so,

892
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:19,159
you can just type in my name shop is casting Baum.

893
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,760
It's a very long, unusual name. But the positive side

894
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:25,679
is there are no other jobs casting bounce. So on

895
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,239
Twitter and Instagram, I'm the first result and you can

896
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,400
watch our show at praguer You. It's called the Brief again.

897
00:40:31,519 --> 00:40:33,840
Just go prager you dot com. You'll see it on

898
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,519
the landing page where we have these types of conversations

899
00:40:36,559 --> 00:40:39,000
every single week. So I really appreciate this conversation, and

900
00:40:39,039 --> 00:40:41,519
you know, for giving me a platform to talk about well.

901
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,159
Speaker 4: We appreciate you.

902
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:43,679
Speaker 3: We appreciate you so much.

903
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,079
Speaker 4: It's just a delight to meet you.

904
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,559
Speaker 1: YEA one more thing, now that you've mentioned your show

905
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:52,599
on prager you have you had an opportunity to meet Dennis.

906
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 4: You know. Unfortunately not.

907
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,960
Speaker 2: Dennis called me about a year and a half a year,

908
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:58,039
a year and a half ago on the phone just

909
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,360
to make contact, saying, you know, I've been following you work,

910
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,920
and I was really starstruck. Two three weeks after that

911
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,960
phone called, he had his accident and he has been

912
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,039
either in a hospital or physical therapy or at a

913
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,440
family's home ever since. So even though Dennis Prager is

914
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,239
such an intellectual giant, he's a role model, I've never

915
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,719
actually met him in person. I've been working at Praguer

916
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,320
you for about seven or eight months at this point,

917
00:41:21,599 --> 00:41:23,320
I've never once met him. But of course, as a

918
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,559
young person, I grew up reading all of his books,

919
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,480
including the Nine Questions People Have about Judaism, and I

920
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:31,039
hope to one day meet him. And I'm from Hope too.

921
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: That's fantastic, awesome, Thank you, Shavas. It was great to

922
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:35,400
talk to you.

923
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Speaker 4: It was thanks. I appreciate it. You bet