Speaker 1: Coming to you from Studio A Here at Proven Winners,
Speaker 1: Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the Gardening Simplified Show
Speaker 1: with Stacy Hervella, me, Rick weisst and our engineer and
Speaker 1: producer Adrianna Robinson. Last week our show was just do it.
Speaker 1: This week don't do it. We're gonna go down the
Speaker 1: list today and Stacy, I'm gonna take this occasion to
Speaker 1: have a rant, at least right off the top on
Speaker 1: three things. However, let me say it is Stacy who
Speaker 1: always says, when in doubt, don't don't, don't do it,
Speaker 1: don't do it. So here we go. My number one item.
Speaker 1: We have an AI problem. We have an AI problem,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2: Well, we do have that problem too, We have that too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't order, don't get duped online. And it's getting
Speaker 1: worse since we did that.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous, it's horrible.
Speaker 1: But no, the AI I'm referring to as automatic irrigation,
Speaker 1: don't set it and forget it. But the number one
Speaker 1: thing that drives me crazy is I'm still convinced that
Speaker 1: automatic irrigation is meant for turf lawns, not woody plants
Speaker 1: or shrubs in your landscape, they should be watered when
Speaker 1: they need water. So often in the garden center, I
Speaker 1: will have someone come up to me with pictures on
Speaker 1: their phone, or in some occasions I've stopped by homes
Speaker 1: like I did this past week, and sure enough, in
Speaker 1: the landscape there are irrigation heads above the ground right
Speaker 1: behind the shrubs. The plants are getting drenched, or even worse,
Speaker 1: the upper profile of the soil is drenched and drowning.
Speaker 1: Down below it's dry as dust because they're just sprinkling
Speaker 1: for ten minutes and these plants die. So just bear
Speaker 1: in mind that, in my opinion, much of this irrigation
Speaker 1: that we use, but people want the convenience so they
Speaker 1: don't want to have to think about watering. So in
Speaker 1: early spring we set the irrigation system and then we
Speaker 1: walk away, not paying attention to the weather. But it
Speaker 1: kills a lot of plants, it can.
Speaker 2: And I think part of the issue too, is that
Speaker 2: the people who put in irrigation systems, those control modules
Speaker 2: are pretty complicated. Yeah, they are not really designed for
Speaker 2: the average person to just pop out there and go, oh,
Speaker 2: I want to change zone one to water once a week,
Speaker 2: and then my shrubs will get the right amount of water.
Speaker 2: It doesn't work that way. They're actually quite complex and
Speaker 2: can be very difficult to figure out. So, but that
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's not possible to reprogram them. So if
Speaker 2: you have an irrigation system, it doesn't mean to rip
Speaker 2: it out. Just contact your landscape company, your irrigation company
Speaker 2: and work with them to understand the zones and come
Speaker 2: up with a plan that actually works for your yard.
Speaker 2: Because yeah, they're going to set it and forget it
Speaker 2: because they don't have the time to sit there and
Speaker 2: think in depth about all your different plants and everything.
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean that they can't work with you
Speaker 2: to develop what you have into a more suitable program
Speaker 2: for irrigation.
Speaker 1: Yeah. It just drives me crazy. And I see it
Speaker 1: all the time and they wonder why the plants are strung.
Speaker 1: It makes me burn thunderwood.
Speaker 2: Don't you love it when it's pouring rain and the
Speaker 2: fountain the irrigation's just going off like there's no tomorrow
Speaker 2: and it's running down the street. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: Oh, drives me nuts. Here's another one and we already
Speaker 1: touched on it. Yeah, that whole AI thing. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: people now more than ever, coming in asking for the red, white,
Speaker 1: and blue hostas, et cetera, et cetera. And if you
Speaker 1: just read the reviews online, these people got a package
Speaker 1: of seeds, not plants, and of course the seeds didn't
Speaker 1: germinate or materialize into what they were looking for. Again,
Speaker 1: burn thunderwood. That's my new phrase, thunderwood is a poisoned sumac.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's a phrase when you're ticked off, burn
Speaker 1: thunder I like it. Yeah, I'm going to use Well, you.
Speaker 2: Know the other thing about these ai plants, right, I mean,
Speaker 2: speaking as two people who have spent a long time
Speaker 2: in the horticulture industry, and with this show as evidence,
Speaker 2: we're not trying to keep any cool stuff from you, right,
Speaker 2: we talk about it all the time. So it's not
Speaker 2: like there's a secret treasure trove of really amazing, wild,
Speaker 2: wacky plants that we've all just been you know, gatekeeping
Speaker 2: from you because you're whatever, not a good enough gardener.
Speaker 2: That does not exist. They are computer generated, specifically designed
Speaker 2: to appeal to, you know, your most basic visual instincts
Speaker 2: and go ooh, I love purple and that you know,
Speaker 2: fluorescent purple hosta with paint streaks is exactly what I need.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I've never seen this before. You've never
Speaker 2: seen it before because it doesn't exist. And uh yeah,
Speaker 2: so don't think that, Like, yes, innovations happen, but innovations,
Speaker 2: you know. I would say the wildest innovation that we
Speaker 2: have had in the last you know, ten years is
Speaker 2: probably the glow in the dark petunias, not all of
Speaker 2: that crazy stuff you're seeing with AI.
Speaker 1: Here's another one for you. Don't do it. This one
Speaker 1: may be controversial. Don't put down landscape fabric and multure
Speaker 1: plants with stone mulch. Don't do it. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I don't think the stone is good for the plants.
Speaker 1: The stone may look nice when you initially put it in,
Speaker 1: but it's going to become a maintenance nightmare. The weeds
Speaker 1: are going to grow in between the cracks and crevices,
Speaker 1: and even if you were to spray the weeds with
Speaker 1: a herbicide, let's say, you're still going to have to
Speaker 1: pull them or remove them. They're going to look awful.
Speaker 1: So my opinion is, if you're thinking about using stone
Speaker 1: mulch around your plants, don't.
Speaker 2: Do it don't do it, I agree, at least for Michigan. Now,
Speaker 2: I will say, especially out west where the climate can
Speaker 2: be very arid, stone mulch is probably going to be
Speaker 2: your best beat because you don't have to worry about fire.
Speaker 2: And of course a lot of those desert plants they
Speaker 2: look just fine with the stone mulch. But over here
Speaker 2: in Michigan, where we're growing these temperate plants, generally from
Speaker 2: more humid climates, it looks out of place. It's typically
Speaker 2: very bad for the plants. And I cannot tell you,
Speaker 2: over my many years here how many people I have
Speaker 2: seen kill or very nearly kill their plants through that
Speaker 2: combination of landscape fabric and rock. And let's not talk
Speaker 2: about the fact that it is extremely hard to put
Speaker 2: down and extremely hard to remove. If you change your
Speaker 2: mind because your plants are dying, it is the worst.
Speaker 2: So if you don't have fire danger a regular shredded
Speaker 2: bark organic mulch, it's actually gonna enrich your soil is
Speaker 2: going to be far better. It's going to still have
Speaker 2: weed prevention, it's going to be better for the plants.
Speaker 2: It's going to enrich your soil, and you won't have
Speaker 2: all those liabilities of a stone mulch, got it, and
Speaker 2: rocks in your shoe, which no one likes.
Speaker 1: Don't I call them riot rocks. Just don't do it.
Speaker 1: Don't do it. Don't ignore canopy trees. You've got some
Speaker 1: beautiful trees in your neighborhood overhead. Again, every time storms
Speaker 1: come through, we're reminded of the danger of these trees
Speaker 1: and what could happen. Any good arborist will tell you,
Speaker 1: don't ignore the trees. Arborists are worth their weight in gold.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that just because I have a
Speaker 1: son who's an arborist. But tree maintenance is important. So
Speaker 1: don't ignore your trees. I'm not saying don't eliminate. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying eliminate these trees. I'm saying, maintain them. You know,
Speaker 1: winter pruning can be done. Take care of your trees,
Speaker 1: pay attention, and don't have a tree fall on your house.
Speaker 2: Oh that's for sure. And you know, even little things
Speaker 2: that we think of as regular maintenance for other plants
Speaker 2: in our yard, like fertilizing, like watering, can make a
Speaker 2: huge difference to a tree's overall health, and especially older trees.
Speaker 2: If you live in a soil that's not super fertile
Speaker 2: like our sandy soils out here. You know, fertilizing every
Speaker 2: couple of years can make a huge difference in the
Speaker 2: healthier tree.
Speaker 1: Don't volcano mult oh, don't do it. Don't do it.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's a good idea. Don't
Speaker 1: copy your neighbors. That's what happens. Somebody does something and
Speaker 1: everyone else in the neighborhood then has to have that
Speaker 1: plant or do it the way their neighbor did it.
Speaker 1: Don't do that, you know, be original. Here's a controversial
Speaker 1: one for you, Stacey. Don't try to This is real controversial.
Speaker 1: Don't try to grow succulents indoors. I love succulents outside,
Speaker 1: but don't try to grow them indoors.
Speaker 2: Yes and no, Well, don't have reasonable expectations if you
Speaker 2: grow them indoors, because I do successfully grow some succulents
Speaker 2: indoors with pure neglect and they do great. But you know,
Speaker 2: the biggest thing is all of these really cool akavirias
Speaker 2: and stuff that are for sale, and you buy this cute,
Speaker 2: tidy little rosette you can't wait to get at home,
Speaker 2: and it's going to be so amazing and that thing
Speaker 2: gets back to your house and it just starts elongating
Speaker 2: and stretching, and everyone's like, what happened? I can't grow anything.
Speaker 2: But you know, certainly jade plants that kind of thing
Speaker 2: are okay. But you do need to know what's going
Speaker 2: to happen inside.
Speaker 1: And like we said in our just do it show,
Speaker 1: think about the environment that these plants grow in so
Speaker 1: you can better care for them. I told you it'd
Speaker 1: be controversial. Yeah, well so all right. So Stacy is
Speaker 1: the one who always says, when in doubt, don't so
Speaker 1: in her honor, I wrote this week's limerick thinking of you, Stacy.
Speaker 1: It comes at the end, okay. It can be a
Speaker 1: real temptation, a quick fixed cultivation. This miraculous breakthrough could
Speaker 1: be your bugaboo and not your plants salvation. My neighbor
Speaker 1: sought out advice for his backyard paradise. Don't do it,
Speaker 1: I said to my neighbor, trying to save him some labor.
Speaker 1: He didn't listen and paid the price. You see, the
Speaker 1: moral of these silly rhymes can save you grief sometimes.
Speaker 1: For example, if you live next to Stacy, make sure
Speaker 1: the distance is spacey. If hanging up back porch wind chimes,
Speaker 1: just don't don't do it.
Speaker 2: Just don't you know. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: love for windchimes out there, but there's a lot of
Speaker 2: people who don't want to listen to clinging metal all night.
Speaker 1: This is a controversial show. We're going to get letters,
Speaker 1: comments and mail, keep them coming. Plants on trial next
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Speaker 2: welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show, where the topic
Speaker 2: of today is just don't do it. In contrast to
Speaker 2: last episode, which was just do it. So last time
Speaker 2: we were talking about things that you should definitely do.
Speaker 2: This time we're talking about the things that you should
Speaker 2: avoid doing. You know, mostly from a horticultural perspective. Obviously,
Speaker 2: this could become very taste oriented and we could go
Speaker 2: on all episode about the things that we don't like
Speaker 2: and we don't think people should be doing. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: but we're not talking about our personal taste. We're talking
Speaker 2: about horticultural Uh you know advice here.
Speaker 1: Like roots need oxygen, so don't And then I'm going
Speaker 1: to say, don't bury your plants. But then I think, okay, etymology, Stacy,
Speaker 1: is it berry or bury? What is it? Don't say it.
Speaker 2: As long as you as your meaning is understood, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter. Is or I would say Barry bury bury Erry. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's a Midwest thing.
Speaker 2: It must be. Okay, maybe it's an English word that
Speaker 2: we have just adapted and give it our own American pronunciation.
Speaker 1: People look funny at me when I say bury.
Speaker 2: It's it sounds a little strange. It's also the Japanese
Speaker 2: word for pig burry.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry for sidetracking us here.
Speaker 2: Anyway, continue.
Speaker 1: Anyway.
Speaker 2: Actually, I don't think it's a Japanese word for pig.
Speaker 2: I think I'm mistaken. It's the Japanese word for the
Speaker 2: noise that pigs make.
Speaker 1: Oh not a ink.
Speaker 2: No, not ak. There's different animal sounds you can find
Speaker 2: them online. Different cultures interpret animal sounds completely differently. It's
Speaker 2: very interesting. If you're into that so fascinating. Yes, always
Speaker 2: something to learn the things we learn on this show,
Speaker 2: and you should learn because that's what gardening is all about.
Speaker 2: So anytime you're curious about something, you say, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: look that up, find out more, uh, and do it.
Speaker 2: That is a thing you should do. But we're talking
Speaker 2: about what you shouldn't do. And when it comes to
Speaker 2: Plants on Trial, as I said last week, Plants on
Speaker 2: Trial is all about plant that you should plant in
Speaker 2: your yard or at least consider planting in your yard
Speaker 2: because it looks great and solves problems and is easy
Speaker 2: to grow, like the rest of the proven Winner's color
Speaker 2: choice shrubs. And when I've been saying, when in doubt,
Speaker 2: just don't for a while now right like probably two years.
Speaker 2: And the majority of the times that I use this
Speaker 2: phrase is regarding pruning, and it's specifically regarding quydrange of
Speaker 2: pruning most often, because hydrangs are the plants that are
Speaker 2: most often pruned wrong. And you know, it's very it's
Speaker 2: confusing until you you know, are able to see this
Speaker 2: all mapped out. But some hydrangers bloom on old wood,
Speaker 2: which is to say that they create their flower buds
Speaker 2: for the following year as soon as they finish blooming
Speaker 2: in the current one. So a big leaf hydrangea, which
Speaker 2: is today's plant on trial, let's dance big band hydrangea,
Speaker 2: and a big leaf angel like this starts to set
Speaker 2: its flower buds in August, So in August twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four it was sitting it's July twenty twenty five flower buds,
Speaker 2: and have those flower buds on all through the year.
Speaker 2: Now take, on the other hand, something like a panicle
Speaker 2: hydrangel like Limelight or Pinky Winky. These bloom on new wood,
Speaker 2: which is to say that they don't carry flower buds
Speaker 2: through the winter. They only start to create them after
Speaker 2: they start to leaf out in spring. So right now
Speaker 2: panicle hydrangees are only just starting to create their flower buds,
Speaker 2: which are going to be open in about two months
Speaker 2: or so, probably closer to six weeks. So for the reason,
Speaker 2: people get really confused about pruning hydranges, and that's why
Speaker 2: I always say, when in doubt, don't because if you
Speaker 2: don't prune any of your hydranges, you are far likely
Speaker 2: to get better results than if you prune all of
Speaker 2: your hydranges. But the key really is when I say
Speaker 2: just don't do it. Don't prune your big leaf Hydrangees
Speaker 2: by all means plant them. You should absolutely plant them.
Speaker 2: They're fabulous, They are completely emblematic of some summer. They
Speaker 2: are a plant that does need special sighting. You need
Speaker 2: to make sure that you are placing it somewhere if
Speaker 2: you live in a cold climate where it can get
Speaker 2: a little protection from the worst of the winter weather.
Speaker 2: Moist mulch and wood mulch soil definitely not stones. I've
Speaker 2: seen plenty of hydrange of macrophilla take a nose dye
Speaker 2: from being planted in a stone bed. So planting them.
Speaker 2: Sighting them is very very important. But once you have
Speaker 2: them sighted, not pruning them is so is so crucial
Speaker 2: to being able to enjoy them, because if you prune them,
Speaker 2: they're not going to flower. Now they can rebloom, and
Speaker 2: today's plant on trial, let's dance big band does rebloom,
Speaker 2: But you don't necessarily want to count on that rebloom
Speaker 2: because what that means is you still missed all of
Speaker 2: the initial bloom in July, so you still miss out
Speaker 2: on dozens and dozens of flowers. And here's the thing
Speaker 2: about big leaf hydrangees. And that's not just true of
Speaker 2: Let's Dance Big Band, but all big leaf hydrangees. And
Speaker 2: this I think is one of the most egregious things
Speaker 2: about it. It looks like it should be pruned it. Really.
Speaker 2: It's one of those plants when you're going through and
Speaker 2: fall and doing your fall clean up, and then you're,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to put the garden to bed, going
Speaker 2: through in spring, trying to wake the garden up and
Speaker 2: get everything cleaned out. If you come across a big
Speaker 2: leaf hydrangea and you aren't familiar with what it looks like,
Speaker 2: you were going to get those snips out of your
Speaker 2: pocket and you were going to cut this whole thing
Speaker 2: back to nubs because it just looks like it should
Speaker 2: be premne. And I'm not even saying it looks like
Speaker 2: it's dead necessarily. There is just something about those stems.
Speaker 2: I can't quite put my finger on it. It's like
Speaker 2: it's begging you to cut it back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just straight sticks out of the soil, and
Speaker 1: you feel you're doing your due diligence by chopping them back.
Speaker 1: Many people do.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've done it myself before I knew what I
Speaker 2: was doing, so you're in good company, I guess at least,
Speaker 2: And you know, there's just something about the color too
Speaker 2: that makes them look kind of dead. So win in doubt,
Speaker 2: just don't prune, no matter what type of hydrangea it is,
Speaker 2: because nothing bad is going to happen to the hydrangeas
Speaker 2: that can be pruned if you don't prune, and something
Speaker 2: good is far more likely and going to happen if
Speaker 2: you don't prune the ones that can't be prune, and
Speaker 2: a lot of people it's easy to learn the difference.
Speaker 2: If you spend some time thinking about it and observing
Speaker 2: your plants, you can easily start to discern what those
Speaker 2: differences are. But it does take a little bit of
Speaker 2: a you know, dedication to learning and identifying those factors. Now,
Speaker 2: what makes let's dance big band reblooming hydrangea bigger different,
Speaker 2: bigger different than others is that the flowers are very large,
Speaker 2: which is why I just said bigger. So it does
Speaker 2: have extra large flowers. But one of the things that
Speaker 2: I think is really special about this plant is it
Speaker 2: is one of our most vivid big leaf hydranges. So
Speaker 2: the color of big leaf hydrangeas is related to soil chemistry.
Speaker 2: It's also related to temperature because you're gonna generally get
Speaker 2: brighter colors in cooler temperatures than in very very hot
Speaker 2: temperatures because plants synthesize their pigments at night, so cool
Speaker 2: nights let them synthesize more effectively and you get much
Speaker 2: better pigments in color. And it's also based on genete,
Speaker 2: so they're you know, every individual hydrangea is going to bloom.
Speaker 2: These big leaf hydranges is going to bloom as a
Speaker 2: reflection of its growing conditions temperature and soil chemistry and
Speaker 2: all of that. But it's still going to have kind
Speaker 2: of a range that it can attain, you know, a
Speaker 2: range of blue, a range of pink, and the just
Speaker 2: don't do it. Part of let's stand's big band is
Speaker 2: that this plant looks so gorgeous in all of its
Speaker 2: color iterations that you don't even have to worry about
Speaker 2: trying to change the flower color if it isn't blooming
Speaker 2: the color that you want, because it looks so good
Speaker 2: in bright purple, which is the farthest it's going to
Speaker 2: go towards the blue side or that bright almost red
Speaker 2: type of pink. Now, generally speaking, big leaf hydrangeas, the
Speaker 2: more red tones they have in them, the less likely
Speaker 2: they are to go to blue. So a lot of
Speaker 2: blue hydrange is like true blue. Big leaf hydranges will
Speaker 2: it most go kind of a pale pink, and they'll
Speaker 2: swing more towards the blue. Plants that swing more towards
Speaker 2: brighter or more intense pinks generally won't go all the
Speaker 2: way to blue. They'll go to purple. And the purple
Speaker 2: is gorgeous. Like a lot of people think that the
Speaker 2: purple happens when you're just like in that almost acidic environment,
Speaker 2: and all hydrangs can kind of go through a purple
Speaker 2: ish phase as they go through that, But really it's
Speaker 2: primarily genetics, and this is one of those plants that
Speaker 2: will be an absolutely glorious deep purple, which I think
Speaker 2: I might like even better than the blue. I mean,
Speaker 2: the blue's great. I love it, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 2: But I love that deep, rich purple that a good
Speaker 2: well grown hydrangea macrophilla like Let's Stance big band can
Speaker 2: take on.
Speaker 1: It's gorgeous, it really is. And I'm just sitting back
Speaker 1: listening and enjoying my drink because this is this is
Speaker 1: an important topic that causes a lot of confusion for people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so just planges, just don't prune them if you
Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing. It's very very simple. It
Speaker 2: is a really really interesting plant. Another thing that you
Speaker 2: need to know about, just don't do it. And this
Speaker 2: would be another one of my just don'ts if it
Speaker 2: is at all possible, and that is don't use high
Speaker 2: phosphorus fertilizers. Interest So, in general, high phosphorus fertilizers are
Speaker 2: bad because most American soils, in most residential areas have
Speaker 2: more than enough phosphorus for your plant's needs. And a
Speaker 2: plant can't benefit from extra phosphorus. So it can't go like,
Speaker 2: oh great, I got all this extra phosphorus. I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna like be a beefcake right now. It can't do that.
Speaker 2: So what happens is that the soil can only hold
Speaker 2: on to so many phosphorus ions and they run off,
Speaker 2: and especially out here in West Michigan, they're going to
Speaker 2: land in Lake Michigan in one of our ponds and
Speaker 2: rivers and lakes and all of that, and that's what
Speaker 2: causes algael blooms in the water. Now, low phosphorus fertilizers
Speaker 2: are especially important for big leaf hydrangeas because if you
Speaker 2: have high phosphorus, it is going to tie up aluminium
Speaker 2: ions in the soils causes a chemical reaction. The aluminum
Speaker 2: ion are not free for the plant to take up,
Speaker 2: and therefore, if you are hoping for more of a
Speaker 2: purple or blue color, it won't actually happen. So look
Speaker 2: for low phosphorus fertilizers. If you are growing Let's Dance,
Speaker 2: big band reblooming Hydrangea or any reblooming hydrangea and are
Speaker 2: looking to go more on the blue or purple side,
Speaker 2: so do plant it. Don't do any of those things.
Speaker 2: If you missed any of those things, you'll find them
Speaker 2: on our shutouts at Gardeningsimplified on air dot com, and
Speaker 2: you'll also find Let's Stance Big Band Hydrangea at your
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Speaker 2: And I did want to just kind of address in
Speaker 2: general to all of our listeners, especially if you are
Speaker 2: in the Midwest. If you feel like your vegetable garden
Speaker 2: is behind, it is not just you. Uh, you are
Speaker 2: in good company. It has been an extremely cool spring, unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and I was.
Speaker 1: The plants, basil, cucumbers, tomatoes ouch.
Speaker 2: All of that heat loving stuff. I was planting some
Speaker 2: seeds in the garden the other day and it said,
Speaker 2: you know, so when soil temperatures are seventy and I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't even know if that's going to
Speaker 2: happen this year. I'm sewing this stuff right now. It's
Speaker 2: been a very chilly spring. So if you feel like
Speaker 2: your vent shtable garden has just been poking along, you
Speaker 2: are in good company. It's not you, it's everything. So
Speaker 2: don't worry about it too much, and we'll just hope
Speaker 2: for the best.
Speaker 1: And oh you're you're right here in Michigan in the north,
Speaker 1: it's been unusual this year, and in the garden center industry,
Speaker 1: we were grappling with frost and cold on June first.
Speaker 2: No one wants that. I mean, come on, you're done
Speaker 2: with that by then? Done too much work, so done
Speaker 2: with Yeah, my friend had a frost on June first too,
Speaker 2: so lost a bunch of tomatoes. Anyway, just a little
Speaker 2: assurance there from your friends here at the Gardening Simplified Show.
Speaker 2: We got a nice note from a listener named Nedda,
Speaker 2: who we answered a question for her last summer about
Speaker 2: our iris and she wrote us to say thank you
Speaker 2: for your terrific advice. Last August, I submitted a question
Speaker 2: about some irises that never bloomed my sister's yard. Thanks
Speaker 2: to your expertise, I dug them up, divided them, and
Speaker 2: replanted them higher. The irises ended up being shared in
Speaker 2: three yards and they all bloomed a beautiful shade of orange.
Speaker 2: And these are the most gorgeous orange aren't just not
Speaker 2: a color you often see in bearded iris. So not
Speaker 2: only did she get iris blooms, she got really really
Speaker 2: cool iris blooms. And she said thanks again, and I
Speaker 2: wish everyone a wonderful growing season. So I thought that
Speaker 2: was so nice for her to tell us that our
Speaker 2: advice worked.
Speaker 1: It is nice, and this is the don't do it show,
Speaker 1: but it proves the fact that sometimes, Netta, you just
Speaker 1: got to bend over and split your plants. It'll be
Speaker 1: great for your iris and your neighbors will be entertained.
Speaker 1: And that's what happened here.
Speaker 2: So so do it. Yes, take our advice. I don't
Speaker 2: want to get that confused and then don't do it show,
Speaker 2: So do take our advice. Okay, we're trying the best
Speaker 2: week here to help you out, So what have we
Speaker 2: got in the mail day?
Speaker 1: James Wrights, Hi, I have had this bloomerang lilac in
Speaker 1: the front of my residence for about four years. I
Speaker 1: garden in Ottawa, Ontario. I took this picture today May
Speaker 1: twenty eight. I think this is the best that it's
Speaker 1: looked since I planted it from the garden center pot.
Speaker 1: I've gotten a couple of comments this year from neighbors
Speaker 1: about how full it looks. My question is how to
Speaker 1: prune to get a second flush of blooms later this season.
Speaker 1: It bloomed very nicely last spring as well, so I
Speaker 1: pruned trim deadheaded to get reblooming, but sadly didn't get
Speaker 1: any reblooming. I want to try again this year, wondering
Speaker 1: if I may have done something in the way I
Speaker 1: pruned it last year that stopped that second flush of flowers.
Speaker 2: Right. So, and he did include a photo and this
Speaker 2: plant is looking absolutely gorgeous in James's yard, and I
Speaker 2: feel like I have seen this everywhere. So the flip
Speaker 2: side of the cool spring is that a lot of
Speaker 2: the flower colors are just gorgeous. I was saying when
Speaker 2: I was talking in Plants on Trial about how hydrange
Speaker 2: of flower color can be influenced by temperatures. Many, many
Speaker 2: flowers can be and it's not that they change colors,
Speaker 2: just that they can be more or less vivid depending
Speaker 2: on nighttime temperatures. And these cool nights have been outstanding
Speaker 2: for lilacs. I feel like they are the most vivid
Speaker 2: I have ever seen. So, James, whether you are talking
Speaker 2: about bloomerang, reblooming lilac, or any reblooming shrub, the key
Speaker 2: to getting the reblooms. So the plant already bloomed on
Speaker 2: old wood in spring. Now you're going for that new
Speaker 2: wood bloom later in the season. The key on any
Speaker 2: reblooming shrub to getting that rebloom is that the plant
Speaker 2: needs to put on as much new growth as possible
Speaker 2: after that spring bloom. So what's happening really? And you're
Speaker 2: in Ottawa, Canada, so it's probably a bit cooler there.
Speaker 2: But this also tends to coincide with warming weather. It's
Speaker 2: you know, by this time it's June, it's July, it's
Speaker 2: getting much much warmer out, the days are getting longer,
Speaker 2: rainfall all starts to maybe decline, and so you're trying
Speaker 2: to get as much possible growth as you can with
Speaker 2: this plant, whereas nature's like, WHOA, slow down the growth here.
Speaker 2: You know, it's summertime and we're going to put the
Speaker 2: brakes on things. But if the plant does not put
Speaker 2: on enough new growth in this period, it's not going
Speaker 2: to be able to create those flower buds. So one
Speaker 2: of the strategies towards that can be pruning. Pruning, is
Speaker 2: it necessary. I've said on the show that when it
Speaker 2: comes to bloomerang, I very much embrace pruning because I
Speaker 2: don't like the way the seed heads look. That's it
Speaker 2: just don't do it for me. Don't like the way
Speaker 2: they look like green bananas with cork dots on them.
Speaker 2: I don't know, there's something about them. I really just like.
Speaker 2: And when you lightly trim it, you don't need to
Speaker 2: prune it like get heavy shears out. You're just going
Speaker 2: to give it a light trim and take off the
Speaker 2: thin sort of stems along the outer edge of the plant.
Speaker 2: Get those seeds out. Now, everything that was a single
Speaker 2: growing point is at least two growing points. That's going
Speaker 2: to be double the amount of new growth. That's going
Speaker 2: to be double the amount of flowers. You also need
Speaker 2: to keep watering and fertilizing. And I'm not usually a
Speaker 2: huge like you know, fertilizer like crazy, but for the
Speaker 2: best rebloom, fertilizer really is crucial because you need that
Speaker 2: plant to put on taking that energy and put on
Speaker 2: that growth for the best rebloom. So I would say
Speaker 2: now is a great time to put down another application
Speaker 2: of fertilizer. Like I said, there's nothing special to trimming it.
Speaker 2: I don't think that you trimming it was wrong. Was
Speaker 2: the reason that it didn't flower last year. It probably
Speaker 2: just didn't put on enough growth. So fertilize it, water
Speaker 2: it if needed, give it that trim. Trimming it does
Speaker 2: delay the rebloom slightly compared to an untrimmed plant, but
Speaker 2: I have found that they rebloom longer into fall, so
Speaker 2: I think it's worth it. You can try it one
Speaker 2: year one way and one year or the other and
Speaker 2: see what you think. But it's nothing that you did.
Speaker 2: It's just a matter of making sure that that plant
Speaker 2: keeps growing vigorously and healthily so that you get the
Speaker 2: best display.
Speaker 1: It's great advice. Stacey Audrey writes to us Hi, I
Speaker 1: love your show. My partner and I are getting ready
Speaker 1: to move into our first home together in West Michigan.
Speaker 1: Super excited to do some landscape design with our new space.
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice where to start with garden
Speaker 1: design basics? Any books you recommend. I've heard you mentioned
Speaker 1: the concept of outdoor garden rooms before. We'd love to
Speaker 1: learn more about that and other design principles ideas if possible.
Speaker 1: Hoping to go with a cottage garden feel throughout the property.
Speaker 1: I have a decent grasp of plant selection, but feel
Speaker 1: less confident with placement, especially starting from scratch. Would greatly
Speaker 1: appreciate any tips or resources.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for your question, Audor, and
Speaker 2: congratulations on your new home. If you didn't listen to
Speaker 2: our Just Do It show last episode, you might want
Speaker 2: to do that for my hedge advice for new homeowners,
Speaker 2: depending on what it looks like. But yes, I do
Speaker 2: have a great resource for you, and that is a
Speaker 2: British garden designer named John Brooks. So he is a
Speaker 2: very well known garden designer and he wrote a bunch
Speaker 2: of excellent garden design books for homeowners and gardeners. I
Speaker 2: think they are some of the best that I have
Speaker 2: ever seen. And he's just really good at sort of
Speaker 2: taking a lot of these concepts and distilling them into
Speaker 2: a way that makes sense. There's a number of them
Speaker 2: I think that you know, they're not I don't know
Speaker 2: if he's still writing. He's probably quite old now, but
Speaker 2: you can certainly find, you know, used copies, probably at
Speaker 2: your library or you know, on the Advanced Book Exchange
Speaker 2: or something like that. He is really so inspiring and
Speaker 2: such a great teacher for garden design. And then the
Speaker 2: other thing I would say, and this would be my
Speaker 2: advice for anyone. Anytime you're you know, taking a walk
Speaker 2: or driving around and you see a landscape or an
Speaker 2: element of a landscape that resonates with you, don't just
Speaker 2: go oh, that's pretty and move on. Take time to
Speaker 2: kind of analyze what's actually happening there and think about
Speaker 2: what is it that you like. Is it the color?
Speaker 2: Is it the plants in it? Is it the combination?
Speaker 2: Is it the scale of those plants to the building?
Speaker 2: Is it their placement. There's all of these things, and
Speaker 2: I think once you start to cultivate that mentality of
Speaker 2: reading and analyzing things that you like, then you're much
Speaker 2: more able to start reinterpreting those concepts. At home.
Speaker 1: Now. One person i'd suggest also following. We've had her
Speaker 1: on the show before, and that is Jan Johnson. Johnson
Speaker 1: spelled not with Ann on the end, but e n.
Speaker 1: She wrote a book called garden Topia. But what you
Speaker 1: can do is follow her on Instagram. She's constantly posting
Speaker 1: landscape ideas, landscaping ideas, and of course you can also
Speaker 1: get Jan on substack. So that would be a suggestion
Speaker 1: I'd get.
Speaker 2: That's another really good one for someone who is still practicing.
Speaker 2: The other thing I would say, and this is sort
Speaker 2: of it took me a long time, so don't feel
Speaker 2: like you need to rush into this, even though you
Speaker 2: know I wish that I had done it sooner. Identify
Speaker 2: your non negotiables. What are the factors that you need
Speaker 2: to have. Do you need to have a dining garden.
Speaker 2: Do you need to have an herb garden? Do you
Speaker 2: need to have a native plank garden. These are just
Speaker 2: some ideas off the top of my head, Like what
Speaker 2: are your biggest goals that you are not willing to
Speaker 2: give up? So identify two or three of those and
Speaker 2: then look at the assets and liabilities of your yard. So,
Speaker 2: for example, in my yard, not a lot going for it.
Speaker 2: But I have a beautiful old brick garage that's actually
Speaker 2: quite interesting, so we wanted to incorporate that into the
Speaker 2: garden and not just make it look like a garage.
Speaker 2: So look for things like that that are in your
Speaker 2: yard that you can incorporate, and then any liabilities, identify
Speaker 2: what those are and work to minimize those. If it's
Speaker 2: a neighbor's view plan hedge.
Speaker 1: And you do that by getting out a piece of
Speaker 1: paper and doing a simple bubble drawing. Google that how
Speaker 1: to do a bubble drawing and you can do what
Speaker 1: you just explain there, Stacy, I think that's important, yep.
Speaker 2: So we will put these resources in the show notes.
Speaker 2: In the meantime, definitely check out John Brooks and Jan
Speaker 2: Johnson and luck with your project. It sounds so fun
Speaker 2: and so full of promise. So thank y'all so much
Speaker 2: for your questions. We're going to take a little break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, we're going to complete our conversation
Speaker 2: about just don't do it as well as a just
Speaker 2: don't do its speed round, So please stay tuned. Thanks
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. Today for branching news,
Speaker 1: we continue our talk of don't do it and Stacey,
Speaker 1: I'm going to say right off the bat, don't throw
Speaker 1: up your hands and say the deer eat everything. I'm
Speaker 1: giving up. Don't do it, don't give up. And next
Speaker 1: week's show, the buck will stop here. We're going to
Speaker 1: talk about deer next week.
Speaker 2: Oh, I can't wait. I have got some things to say.
Speaker 1: And it can be frustrating. Hey, here's a quick one.
Speaker 1: Polymers in planters and baskets to help with watering. Number one,
Speaker 1: follow the label directions like you only need just a
Speaker 1: little bit in a container. If you add more than that,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a gelatinous mess. And don't spill them
Speaker 1: on the ground. They're really slippery.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, put them in the lower portion of the container,
Speaker 1: not in the upper portion of the container. You're going
Speaker 1: to have a mess with polymers.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember when they first came out and people
Speaker 2: were freaking out thinking it was some kind of like
Speaker 2: worm in their soil. I remember there was like a
Speaker 2: lot of concern. If the Internet had been around back then,
Speaker 2: woof you got people would have freaked out.
Speaker 1: Well, you want to do a shotgun approach? What are
Speaker 1: we doing shod speed round shotguns? Read Oh, we were
Speaker 1: talking about deer.
Speaker 2: So it's a just don't do it speed round. And
Speaker 2: if you haven't joined us for a speed round before,
Speaker 2: it's where we just kind of of rapid fire. Give
Speaker 2: our thoughts on things that you should just not do
Speaker 2: in various categories. For example, rick, what would be or
Speaker 2: just don't do it? For puney, it can be a tip,
Speaker 2: it can be a plant, it can be a tool.
Speaker 1: Two things right off the top as I go through neighborhoods,
Speaker 1: don't create meatballs and tuna cans. I see people out
Speaker 1: there just pruning away and creating these shapes. Does not
Speaker 1: look natural. I don't like meatballs and tuna cans. The
Speaker 1: other one would be beautiful weeping trees that we have
Speaker 1: as specimen plants in our landscape, and people will chop
Speaker 1: them off and make them look like it's a Beatles haircut.
Speaker 1: When the Beatles came into the United States, in the
Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. That's what their haircut look like. And that's
Speaker 1: what people are doing to these weeping trees.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sometimes you know, one is planted in a poor
Speaker 2: spot and it needs a little bit of a haircut,
Speaker 2: but in your yard it doesn't. And guess what, you
Speaker 2: don't have to mow under it. You can just let
Speaker 2: it grow and weep and it will be a fun
Speaker 2: place for kids to play and hide. So yeah, don't
Speaker 2: cut it just for the mowing, Just you know, get
Speaker 2: the grass out and then let it be. That's why
Speaker 2: you picked a weeping plant in the first place, isn't it.
Speaker 2: So ma, just do don't I just don't do it.
Speaker 2: For pruning, I'm gonna say anvil pruners. I mean, i
Speaker 2: could go a lot of different directions here, and I've
Speaker 2: already gone to the plant that you shouldn't prune, which
Speaker 2: is big leaf hydranges. But I'm gonna say anvilpruners. So
Speaker 2: bypass pruners go like this, They passed the blades past
Speaker 2: each other like a scissors, and an anvil pruner it
Speaker 2: comes down on a plate, and anvil pruners are known
Speaker 2: to stay sharp longer. So a lot of people in
Speaker 2: forestry will use them. Cut flower growers will use them.
Speaker 2: But you do not want to use them on your plants,
Speaker 2: because instead of making that nice, crisp, clean cut, it
Speaker 2: makes a big, frayed cut a lot of surface area,
Speaker 2: and plants can't heal as well from a lot of
Speaker 2: surface area. So it's fine you cut with bypassed pruners
Speaker 2: from your plant and then give them anvilpruner cuts for arranging,
Speaker 2: for example. It can be just fine for that, but
Speaker 2: the problem is that anvilprunters are so much cheaper than
Speaker 2: bypass pruners, so very often people will buy them and
Speaker 2: not know that they have made a terrible mistake. So
Speaker 2: invest in bypass prunters, not anvil all right, Just don't
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Perennial controversial, send your cards, letters and mail. I can
Speaker 1: take it. I'm a big boy. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I made the mistake a few weeks ago of mentioning
Speaker 1: I had this really tough spot in my landscape and
Speaker 1: it's pure sand and so I grow sweet autumn clematis.
Speaker 1: Nobody wants that thing invasive that, so please forgive me
Speaker 1: for suggesting that. I didn't suggest it, I just said
Speaker 1: that I like it. I had mine growing through an evergreen.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say perennial. Here it comes Lily of the Valley.
Speaker 2: Ah, I can see that.
Speaker 1: I can see that, but I'm going to get beat
Speaker 1: up on that. But I prove you know.
Speaker 2: I love Lily of the Valley. I have my sentimental reasons,
Speaker 2: but I still wouldn't necessarily recommend that anyone plant it
Speaker 2: unless they also have sentimental reasons. I just don't do it. Perennial.
Speaker 2: It is an epic plant of the show. It comes
Speaker 2: around every year Tuna chamelion plants. We have had many
Speaker 2: tales of woe from our listeners who have had this plant.
Speaker 2: It is so hard to get rid of, even if
Speaker 2: you're willing to use herbicides. It has this waxy coating
Speaker 2: on the leaves that makes it almost impossible to get
Speaker 2: any kind of herbicide to stick. Any little teen c
Speaker 2: piece that you leave in the soil will result in
Speaker 2: more whutunia again also known as chameleon plant. I did
Speaker 2: actually see this plant in the garden center when I
Speaker 2: was shopping this past spring, and I was like, what
Speaker 2: are you guys doing? Do you hate your customers? So yeah,
Speaker 2: just don't do it. If you haven't listened to our
Speaker 2: previous listeners with their tales of woe, you will. You
Speaker 2: should because then you will understand why. So just don't
Speaker 2: do it, shrub, I.
Speaker 1: Know, I mean, yeah, it's easy for me. Okay, taxes
Speaker 1: or used especially with boring, deer will eat them poisonous boring.
Speaker 2: And slow boring also slow growing, so you know you're
Speaker 2: not going to get a lot of coverage.
Speaker 1: You want meat balls and tuna cans, plant taxes.
Speaker 2: That they are very commonly seen that way. My just
Speaker 2: don't planted shrub is going to be a conventional or
Speaker 2: basic for scythia. Really yes, because.
Speaker 1: You're going to this one.
Speaker 2: Well, but here's why. Here's why. Now, I did just
Speaker 2: take a very large, mature one out in my yard,
Speaker 2: and the reason why is I just didn't feel that
Speaker 2: it was worth the real estate for what it gave.
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, it is really nice in spring when
Speaker 2: it has yellow flowers, But you know what else is
Speaker 2: nice in spring with yellow flowers the daffodils that are
Speaker 2: all over my yard, So I don't really feel I
Speaker 2: need more yellow good point. And it was huge, I
Speaker 2: mean this thing was like ten feet tall and wide
Speaker 2: and it didn't do anything outside of that flowering. It
Speaker 2: didn't get good fall color, where some of our newer
Speaker 2: selections of show off for scythia at least get good
Speaker 2: purple fall color. So I think, especially when you have
Speaker 2: something taking up that much real estate, it ought to
Speaker 2: do more than you know, a two week hurrah. So
Speaker 2: that's why that's my just don't do it, Just don't
Speaker 2: do it tree.
Speaker 1: Oh got a half hour a calorie pear Bradford, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Sulberry's Siberian elm. You can make along list.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Norway maple. Yeah, that too, because you know,
Speaker 2: calorie pears still are sold in stores. Unfortunately, there is
Speaker 2: a real campaign to eradicate them, so hopefully that is
Speaker 2: a bating So I'm with you on that, but I
Speaker 2: feel like Norway maple is one of those trees. It's
Speaker 2: still so easy to find and it's kind of a
Speaker 2: garbage plant, not a fan, no fall color, nothing really,
Speaker 2: just quick shade. Whats your just don't do it watering
Speaker 2: tip or tool.
Speaker 1: You have no idea how to water, and so you
Speaker 1: water based on a schedule. You just do it every day,
Speaker 1: but just a little bit. And again, the soil in
Speaker 1: the up. Whether it's a houseplant, a shrub, an annual,
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. The roots are soaking, wet at
Speaker 1: the surface, dry below, and you wonder why that plant
Speaker 1: is declining.
Speaker 2: I just don't do it. Watering tip is don't think
Speaker 2: that the rain is going to take care of it,
Speaker 2: so you don't need to water. How many times have
Speaker 2: we all fallen into this trap?
Speaker 1: You pay attention to the roads.
Speaker 2: Summer, I'm lazy. I don't want to water. It's supposed
Speaker 2: to rain tomorrow. I mean, I think there are a
Speaker 2: few better ways to make sure it doesn't rain the
Speaker 2: following day than opting to not water. So I usually will,
Speaker 2: you know, find the wherewithal deep inside me to say, okay,
Speaker 2: I got a water because I do want it to
Speaker 2: rain tomorrow, and it doesn't always work. But I don't
Speaker 2: like to push fate. I don't like to tempt fate
Speaker 2: with watering anymore. So don't kid yourself. You probably need
Speaker 2: to water unless you're already watered. But you know, if
Speaker 2: it's dry, it's middle of summer, don't count on the
Speaker 2: rain what you're just don't do it.
Speaker 1: Mowing tip don't fertilize the daylights out of the lawn
Speaker 1: in spring, it's going to grow like nuts anyhow, and
Speaker 1: you're going to be on the lawn more constantly. The
Speaker 1: most important time of the year to feed your lawn
Speaker 1: is fall. The lawn is putting its energy into root establishment,
Speaker 1: root growth, not top growth. You want a nice lawn,
Speaker 1: feed it in the fall.
Speaker 2: Okay, just don't do it in the spring. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 2: just don't do it. Assuming that the seed that you buy,
Speaker 2: it's your local garden center, box store, are the only options.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of grass seed out there for a
Speaker 2: lot of different purposes, and with a little bit of
Speaker 2: research and patience, you will find one that is far
Speaker 2: better than whatever you can grab off the shelf. Yes,
Speaker 2: I have one last thing. We have time for one
Speaker 2: last one. What is your just don't do it tool tip?
Speaker 1: It's well, I guess you could argue whether or not
Speaker 1: it's a tool. But again, if you came to my
Speaker 1: house and watched me frustrated, tangled and tripping in my hose,
Speaker 1: get a good hose and like I mentioned last week,
Speaker 1: our viewers and listeners convinced me to get a hose link.
Speaker 1: I'm glad I did.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm glad to do it. Yeah, I just don't
Speaker 2: do A tooltip is something that I think we have
Speaker 2: all fallen victim to before, and that is using the
Speaker 2: wrong tool for the job. So you're out there in
Speaker 2: the garden, you come across a rock or who knows
Speaker 2: what in the soil, and you're like, oh, yeah, I've
Speaker 2: just got my you know, little shovel here. I guess
Speaker 2: I'll just pry at this thing that I have no
Speaker 2: idea of what it is, and next thing you know,
Speaker 2: you got a broken shovel. So don't be lazy, even
Speaker 2: though I'm you know, again saying this for my own
Speaker 2: benefit as well as for everybody else's get the right
Speaker 2: tool for the job, not whatever you happen to have
Speaker 2: on hands.
Speaker 1: Speaking of which, real quickly, I have found that I'm
Speaker 1: addicted to five gallon buckets. I collect them, you get
Speaker 1: them free, or someone's throwing it away, and it's like,
Speaker 1: the last thing I need is another five gallon bucket,
Speaker 1: but I pick it up because they're handy around the garden.
Speaker 1: Can't help it. I've got a thing for five gallon buckets.
Speaker 2: We won't tell your wife. Well, so that was a
Speaker 2: quick look at some of the things we think you
Speaker 2: should just not do in the garden. If you miss
Speaker 2: any of them, check us out on youtubeer you can
Speaker 2: watch the whole show, along with some extra special footage
Speaker 2: that Adriana puts in and photos from our listeners. So
Speaker 2: thank you Rick, thank you, thank you Adriana, and thanks
Speaker 2: so much to all of you for listening. We truly
Speaker 2: appreciate it and hope you have a wonderful week ahead.