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Speaker 1: The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh

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dare you? All guests on the show do not reflect

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the opinions of the host. The purpose of the show

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is to have interesting conversations, stretch.

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Speaker 2: Our minds and grow not what we want.

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Speaker 1: If you are looking for an echo chamber viewer and listener,

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discretion's aged?

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Speaker 3: Did you talk about extreme?

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Speaker 2: What is happening?

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Speaker 4: And what is the hold out your glass? Because we're

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about to feel.

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Speaker 5: The join us as we travel and explore the vast unknown.

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It's a hero's journey with dragons to slay, damsels to save,

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and innumerable treasures to hoard. Our torch is high, you know,

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look at it from a different perspective, different perspective.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we got a

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very very very special guest, somebody I'm really excited to

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get on the show and somebody I was lucky enough

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to personally meet at the Cosmic Summit with Tyrone. But

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until we get to that guest, uh, We're going to

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introduce the other rejects that are on the show. And

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we got with us Sorrow. What is going on? Sorrow

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from Universe Unveiled? How's it going.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, how's everyone doing. I'm glad to be here again.

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We actually covered the go Beckley Tippy statue yesterday on

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our news segment, so I'm so excited to hear about

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it from someone who knows more about it than I do.

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So I'm Sarah. I'm director of public Relations for Institute

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for Natural Philosophy and co host of Universe Unveiled podcast

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and looking forward to it.

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Speaker 4: So yes, so am I very much looking forward to this,

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and thank you very much for joining us. And we

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got Tyrone, of course we got Tyrone. What is going on, sir?

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I will you that's up?

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Speaker 6: What's up? Dan Duncan? He is glad to see you again, man.

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Speaker 4: I know you be on the move and you're.

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Speaker 7: Busy, man, So appreciate you for being here with us today.

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And thanks Nick for letting me be here with you.

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Guys also, and fellow rejects. What's going on?

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Speaker 6: Ethan?

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Speaker 7: I love yours man, So he's going to talk about

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that when he comes up here to promote himself. But

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everything you can find on me is on my website,

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Rebirth Oftheword dot com, and my book Journey through the

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Origins of History is on Amazon.

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Speaker 6: You can get that best selling copy on there.

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Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate it well, of course, thank you for

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making it man, I appreciate it. And we got my

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boy Ethan in the goo. How goes it?

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Speaker 8: So, thank you and Nick for putting this together.

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Speaker 6: Everyone.

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Speaker 8: Always honored to be with you guys and learn from you. Yeah,

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author of a few books and really looking forward to

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hear what you have to say about Kobuckie Tuppy ground baking,

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groundbreaking topic, right, So appreciate you.

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Speaker 6: Appreciate it everybody.

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Speaker 4: Of course I appreciate you making it soon. And we

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got my man the story telling her himself, Robbie Marks.

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What is going on, sir?

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Speaker 9: Hello everyone? I am Robbie Marx. I'm an artist, illustrator,

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researcher currently writing a book on Nimrod And if you

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want to check out my stuff as far as my

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art or even my podcast, I met a mind cast,

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you can check out my link tree which is link

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Speaker 4: Thanks Nick, awesome, Thank you very much for making it, sir.

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Definitely go check out his work. The last bit out

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least for the people joining us here with Dan and

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we got Doc Brown. He made it. I was ninety

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three percent sure he was going to make it ninety

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three percent.

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Speaker 2: Brother, I was taking you as us pulling in the driveway.

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I'm glad to be be a part of this. And

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guys that look over me, my face is swollen. I

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just got out of the desk, but I wanted to

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not miss hanging out and talking with Dan, so I

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made it. But for meet this Lands podcasting where you

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The Birthright and Seed War, and I'm just taking to

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Speaker 6: Guys, I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, man, I'm really really glad you're able to

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make it. This guy's little g he just had teeth

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Finally the man himself, we got Dan Richards aka Debunking Dan.

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Please let everybody know what your deal is and what

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Speaker 10: Well, Hello, thanks for the ENVI. I I really appreciate

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its great to meet all of you, of those of

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YOUOP haven't met before. My name is Dan Richards. I

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go by de Dunkeying online. I basically started with a

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lot of fact checking scientists that would debunk Graham, Hancock

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and guys like that where a lot of times they

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just misrepresent science. And I'm pretty big on the scientific method.

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it's there's no better path to truth. There might be

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other ways to find truth, but there's no better, more

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consistent there's any group of humans to use the science

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finds learns period in the story. And so when I

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see the scientific method kind of being treated like a

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just like a hugel to knock ideas out of the platform,

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just off of the it's stupid, it's bullshit. So I

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from a pretty skeptical point of view a lot of

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the times. I mean, I'll entertain things, but you're going

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to take me there. You're we're not going from zero

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from zero to aliens if you and you're not gonna

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keep me on board. If you're going from zero to aliens,

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I'll be getting off at the first stop.

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Speaker 4: No, I think I could say the same thing for

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myself real quick too. Oh you know what, we have

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another I totally forgot we had this guy coming on too,

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and I never sent him the link. So before we

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get into it, Kennedy, you just wanted to yourself real quick.

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Speaker 11: Hi Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds Podcasts. That's it man, all right,

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Speaker 12: Good to see everybody.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So Dan, the one thing I had to say,

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quite funny reading some of the places.

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to be so simplistic about it, but when it comes

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to Twitter in particular, it's like there's I basically wump

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trying to have a real conversation or you're just trying

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to throw shit. If you're trying to throw ship but

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I've been doing that since the eighties on the bulletin

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board services, You're gonna find your woefully equipped for this discussion.

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Speaker 4: Definitely. Yeah, you definitely can throw some shade. It's pretty good.

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it's almost like oil. We should go take that ship.

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Speaker 4: There's some oil under that we need that. You guys

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need some freedom. We're coming.

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Speaker 2: That's people need some freedom.

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oil in Jupiter. I think you guys need some freedom.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I can understand what God you're

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looking into that. But like you know, with this whole

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new statue and everything going on, you what do you

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think about that whole site in general?

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Speaker 10: What's going on in general? I mean, it's it's pretty intriguing.

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it was like a place where they were a transference

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of knowledge was taking place. I'd take it a step

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further than go Beckley Tepe. But when Graham first formed

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his hypothesis, that was really all that there was known of.

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tense test Tepelar culture that was all over that part

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of Anatolia and different areas have very different things, but

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it's all innovative. That's the first thing that's of note

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it's not just a little bit. It's a huge fucking

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step above everything else that you see in the region.

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see a pile of stones laid out in a circle

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somewhere that was meant to and form a little in

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closure so that they could build a platform to keep

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grain off the floor, to keep the rats out of it.

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and it's just it's not even close. There's a ton

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of symbolism here. I honestly think Go Beckley Tepe. You know,

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when archaeologists say that they only excavate a small percentage

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of his site, that is true. But I think Go

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candidate for pushing for total excavation, just because of the

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huge variation in symbols that we see and at the

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time in our human history that it is. Even if

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a very good chance that that's the beginning of written

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language all over those pillars. But we're never going to

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discern shit. Iban. You just ask a code breaker to

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Speaker 4: No, you think you think language, the first rate language

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first written language, at least in modern time. I mean

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go Beckley Tepe and how it's a calendar, and he

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the different march could mean. And there's there's a lot

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of that kind of thing where you have not just

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a snake, but you have this motif of snakes going

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more pillar. These kinds of things to me, they don't

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seem random or haphazard of just like you know some

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kid picking designs in different places. They're most likely had

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some meaning and we can either be lazy about it

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YouTube a whole lot easier. Check out those cool fucking pictures, right,

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look at that animals. But we're not getting anywhere with that.

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Speaker 2: Have you looked into Louvian anagrams. I'm friends with doctor

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jud Burton and doctor Aaron Jenkins. They wrote a book

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on that called The Coding gobec Ley, and he was

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saying that a lot of those markings look like Louvian,

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like Louvian anagrams or something like that. No, I'm saying that, right, No,

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Speaker 10: I've that book called My Radar, but I haven't read

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the way the hands on those and the hands on

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the big tea pillars are. I mean, it's you know,

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you have to kind of try to deny that there's

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some sort of connection there. So I wouldn't be surprised

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if again, I personally think it was a good chance

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it it is a transference point of technology that whole region,

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all across the world, you'll see those guys with their

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hands on their tummy, and generally it shows up with

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the advent of either agriculture and or metallurgy. Big shout

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This Mystery of the navel holding statues and they were

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holding idols? It's on Amazon and it is it is

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a book worth reading. I don't usually promote people's stuff

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without giving me money, but I'll promote that one You'll

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be money Graham.

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Speaker 7: That's interesting you say metallurgy because I promote this and

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talk about this a lot. Anton Parks has this book

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called Eden. And in this book and I promoted on

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Twitter x plenty of times, and he says that, Okay,

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you know, I'm very familiar with the Samarians, thean and

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you know I'm very familiar. I don't believe the you know,

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Then'm coming from Planet Nepro type bullshit. But it does

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says in there that Inky gave knowledge to what is

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known as Eve right, and the knowledge that was.

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Speaker 6: Given was metallurgy.

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Speaker 7: That's what the forbidden fruit was representing, because it was

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for good and evil, the tree of good, you know,

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the tree of knowledge and stuff like that, and it

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was for metallurgy for agriculture. And he talks about exactly

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what Cuneiform Tablet says it the Cuneiform tablet identifiers. I

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think like one of them is like CBS eighty three

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eighty three or something like that, but I have it

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on next I can bring it up, but it's on there.

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And he compares it to what's written next to the

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Bible and Eno, because you know, in the Book of Ena,

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get talks about how you know, these fallen angels gave

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knowledge and metal and certain stuff to humans. But then

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the kicker comes into whether they were falling angels that

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came from heaven or whether they came from you know,

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somewhere else. And it's interesting because the metallurgy, when you

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big part. Whether it's bronze, copper, ten, you know, it

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doesn't matter, and symbolically it means something to them. And

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just like you said, you know, go back to the type.

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way you said technology. So I always try to wonder

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what what what is your explanation of what type of

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what kind of advanced technology they might have.

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Speaker 6: Had, because you know when people say technology, they I.

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Speaker 7: Consider you know, advanced technology being going from throwing rocks

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at animals to killing them to creating a bowl and

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arrow and bow and arrow would be an advanced type

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of technology versus the throwing the rock portion. So what

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is your idea of a technology and fits the realm

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of those people who were you know at that time?

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Speaker 10: Well, if you're talking about people that were because it

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would be pretty good with boats, right. I mean, if

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they wrote out the flood, they would have had to

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have known something, so they would have an idea of

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how to use like ropes and rigging. Potentially, they would

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definitely know how to use the stars to navigate. They

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would be really good at teamwork. These are all things

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that we see on sailing vessels that are low tech.

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I mean, this isn't like it's complicated to do any

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of those, but those skill sets put together would immediately

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like transfer to being able to move some pretty big

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rocks and align them to stars. And that wouldn't be

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difficult at all for a culture that was used to

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having these guys pull ropes together to raise the sail

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or to do this or to do that. It wouldn't

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be very difficult at all to have them work together

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to raise a big rock and align it to the

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star that you follow when you're at sea. So I

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think that right there would be a big part of it.

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I also think that that sailing necessitates a degree of

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a transference of knowledge to another generation. If you look

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at Polynesians, they've got these little goofy things what they

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do with sticks, where the kids will weave sticks together

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to make these little little cross shape things at what

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they are as the representation of waves on how they

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break off of islands, so that each one of these

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sticks represents little thing. It's just a way for them

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to hand their kid their knowledge. And then over time

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you would presumably these things would change a little bit

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as people would learn new things.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 10: That right off the bat, I think that they would have,

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you know, they would want to have some sort of

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way to write, some sort of way to transfer their

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knowledge to the next generation. And I also I wouldn't

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be surprised at all if they were really good with

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basic tuber food stuffs. If you look at again, Polynesians

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when they settle someplace, they don't show up with a

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damn thing that that if they if they can't sit it,

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just throw it next to them on the bottom of

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the boat and ride ride out the voyage. They don't

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take it. And almost almost everything they eat is a

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tuber as far as what they bring with them to

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a new land. And so I personally think that we

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could look to that for some idea of what we

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could expect to see from go Beckley Tippy. I'm not

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a big fan of like ancient high technology myself. As

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a matter of fact, when it comes to metallurgy, like

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copper that they would would get off of the ground

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that was just like ninety five percent pure and it

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was just huge, huge, like the size of an automobile

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chunk of copper. So eventually they run out and they're mining,

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and eventually that's not giving them anything well, and so

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then by the time the white people show up over

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here that they're almost not using them anymore. They're almost

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not even using copper anymore, right, They're using needles and trinkets.

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to think, imagine to see that that culture being considered

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more godlike than the people that came a thousand years later.

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made out of copper. I mean you compare that to

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one made out of stick or stone, and it's a

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far cry. But so you can imagine that happening in

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other places in the world. You can imagine a place

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where they were able to mine a bunch of metal

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and it didn't need melting, and so some pretty low

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tech solutions to some of these problems. Like I said earlier,

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I take baby steps to get where I'm going.

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and more Egyptian kind of you know, is that kind

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of traversed through there. But what I was going to

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say is I ran into some old Persian texts where

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they talk about the original like Fall of Mankind, and

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they talk about basically Adam taking or the character that

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you know is represented by Adam taking sacred rocks from

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either five or six different mountains and then compiling them

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and basically making the first hinge. You know, So when

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you get into these hinges and looking at go begley

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Tepe in regard to the different characters, and you see

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the scorpion and the vulture and all the you know,

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to a great extent, you know, we have to philosophize

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that this is some sort of an astral calendar possibly yeah,

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right right to the dog star, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 10: The uh doctor Martin Sweatman's uh description of Pillar forty

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three is really good where it's it builds off of

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scorp the scorpion that's on it and builds it uses

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that as scorpio, and then it uh takes the vulture

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as sagittarius, which does work. It's stretched out in the

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same position. It puts the sun as the little ball there,

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and then from there it's able to discern. He's he's

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able to discern different ideas. I mean, his hypothesis is

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met with a lot of opposition. But at the end

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of the day, it does fit. It does fit where

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that would be potentially a marker of a certain date. Now,

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a lot of times I think these guys like Martin Sweatman,

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he gets kind of caught up in the whole.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 10: They're trying to warn the future about it. And I

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don't think it's so much they're trying to warn the future.

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I think that people get they get that backwards. That's

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a science, a scientist looking at that thing. The motivations

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putting a time capsule into the ground or the same

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type of motivations, I think. And it ain't got nothing

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to do with I'm going to send a message to

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the future. It's man, they're gonna want to know what

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we were doing back in those back in these days

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because we're fucking important. Man. It's our generation is going

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to be the last one that the world. Yeah, preservation

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every generation, Yes, exactly, they're gonna want to know.

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Speaker 7: That's what all these podcasts and people writing the books

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and ships going to. You know, you traveling thousands of

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light years, you've got plenty of time that you know.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's pretty wild when you think about the

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it's pretty well when you think about the way that

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all of this is gets put together in different minds,

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and like some people see things in entirely different ways

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than other people. And that's one of the reasons that

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I think it's really important that we don't reject other

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ideas out of hand, because it really takes one person.

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I mean, it takes one person and then people building

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on it. Don't get me wrong. But Einstein comes up

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with the theory of relativity, and it's so counterintuitive that

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most people can't even wrap their head around it at

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first until he has it to them in a form

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of a real simple equation. But that real simple equation

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ain't gonna do a goddamn thing. It had nothing to

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do with what almost nothing to do with what happened

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in Heiroshima and Nagasaki. Einstein has that great quote of

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it's like five or six years later and he says

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that the theory of relativity is almost unrecognizable to me.

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Now the mathematicians have gotten hold of it. They start

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beating it out and starting, well, it's actually not not

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actually this number exactly, we need to and we need

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And when they start doing that, that's when you get

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the real complicated the abilities to split at him. So

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it takes that dreamer, that person to come up with

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this avant garde idea that's so fucking goofy. The germ

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disease theory with Louis Pasteur as opposed to the four humors.

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Everybody else thinks you just got to raise and lower

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the amount of blood and bile and shit somebody. And

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he's like, no, man, there's just these invisible bugs. I mean,

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people laughed at they mocked him heavily. You're stupid invisible

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bugs all as the ghosts doing it too. But now

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so it's really important to me. I think that these

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different theories get entertained, even if some of them to me,

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like like Christopher Donees a great example. I think a

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lot of his theories are really interesting, but I think

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he's he's way too into high technology for me, way

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too into high technology for me. But I still listen

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to what he has to say. I like the guy. Means,

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I talked to him fairly regularly, even sent me all

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of his books to read and stuff, and which I've

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read about half of it, half of the second one

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after and the first one all the way through. I've

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read about half of the three so far. But yeah,

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it's so to me. I think that's one of the

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biggest things that we see bad in the archaeological community.

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And as much as they try to tell us that

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science learns from its mistakes, I mean, we saw this

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with Clovis first, and we saw this before. Not a

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lot of people know that, but I'm sure most of

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you areware of the first debacle where they.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, live right there in Savannah. They right out there,

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man thet there's a private land out there.

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Speaker 6: There's Clovis Land.

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Speaker 10: Yep, Yeah, there's the They say about twelve thousand years ago,

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twelve thousand BCS will be like fourteen thousand years ago.

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I guess that they were coming over on the Burying

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Land Bridge with the first Americans, and that was anybody

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who presented evidence against that hypothesis anything older than around

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twelve fourteen thousand years was just categorically rejected as bullshit

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and fought tooth and nail to the point where an

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archaeologist that was in god damn it, where was he at.

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He was down in South America somewhere, and he was, oh,

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come on, monte Verde, where is the site at. I'm

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drawing a big blank now, But anyway, he's down down

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there during Pinochet and all that crazy shit Chile. He's

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down there during Pinochet. And one of his colleagues contacted

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the local newspaper and said that the whole site to

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monte Verde was a CIA plan to put him and

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his family down there, and it's like threatening his family

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with the fucking dictator over science. And this was they

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Eventually this was all put to bed monte Verde. That

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site proved it wrong. That scientist Tom Dilla, Hey, he

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was proven right. He was the guy that fought tooth

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and nail and got it won. But just about fifty

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years before all that shit was going down there was

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the whole Fulsome first was the hypothesis, if you push

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the people into the Americas back around more than five

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thousand years outside of the fulsome culture. You were full

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of shit, you were crazy, and you could expect to

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be rejected by archaeology. So they just don't learn, They

474
00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:38,279
haven't fucking figured out yet that what they're doing is

475
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,079
anti scientific. It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another

476
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,519
thing to be cynical. And I don't know a better

477
00:23:45,519 --> 00:23:46,279
way of putting.

478
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 7: It than that, that's crazy that you said about the

479
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:52,240
fourteen thousand years ago thing, because we hear and Georgia

480
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,640
Sarah knows about it. We have these places called Moggi mounds,

481
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,960
and when you walk into a Moogi Mound museum, they

482
00:23:59,079 --> 00:24:03,640
literally have that says different dates of time periods, and

483
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:08,400
one of the pictures says seventeen thousand years ago. So

484
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,279
and this is supposed but they considered them people of

485
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,480
the Mississippian Pivot period. But you know, the Mississippi period

486
00:24:14,559 --> 00:24:17,480
came much later than that. It's just that the culture

487
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,880
or the group of people was inhabiting Atlanta since seventeen

488
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,720
thousand years ago.

489
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Speaker 10: So okay, go ahead, Oh no, sorry, go ahead. Yeah.

490
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Speaker 6: So it's just interesting that everybody has these dates.

491
00:24:30,799 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 7: You know, you get one date for one thing over here,

492
00:24:33,759 --> 00:24:35,960
another day and you can tell when they using these

493
00:24:36,039 --> 00:24:38,039
dates because they're trying to fit that date to match

494
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,759
their narrative.

495
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Speaker 6: That's what they're trying to do.

496
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,279
Speaker 7: They're not taking they don't want their narrative to be taken.

497
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,920
This is one thing that I hate. I hate when

498
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,519
people say a theory and then they can't change their

499
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,359
theory to make it better. That's why some of these

500
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,359
damn cars was running away. They running nowadays anyway. You

501
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:55,079
know what I'm saying. People don't know how to sit

502
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,640
here and say, okay, look all right, we know this

503
00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:01,839
doesn't work. It's a theory that it was supposed to work,

504
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,480
but it's not going to work this way, so we

505
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,680
have to change it up. And you know that you know,

506
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,160
radio carbon they have you know, they always have this

507
00:25:09,319 --> 00:25:12,039
threshold of you know, it could be one hundred years

508
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,240
or a thousand years, you know, so what are you

509
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,279
what evidence that are you using to make you pick

510
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:21,599
that specific date instead of any other date. And that's

511
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:26,039
the questions that I like that you yeah, exactly, because

512
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,640
that's that's the kind of questions that that Dan be

513
00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,400
asking and Grahama is asking also personally, And that's what

514
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,039
I'd be wondering too, and I'd be like, okay, you

515
00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:37,640
say two hundred years so why is it two hundred

516
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,880
years ago versus seven hundred years ago? Why is the

517
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,599
radio carbon? Why are you picking a two hundred rather

518
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,279
than the seven hundred? What more evidence that you got

519
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,160
that's two hundred versus the seven hundred, And those are

520
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,319
questions answers that we don't ever get.

521
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 10: No. Well, a lot of times it comes down to

522
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,519
a difference in motivations, Like you're talking about a museum

523
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,559
that is presumably heavily infl was, if not outright owned

524
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:05,359
by the tribes, and depending on the part of the

525
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,880
country you're in, it can really blow somebody's mind because

526
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,599
like the tribes over here, for example, they're strong, and

527
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,720
I don't mean strong. They have casinos that are tax

528
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:15,720
free and they've had them for over twenty years. They're

529
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:19,599
fucking rich, They're filthy, fucking rich. And if they challenge

530
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,039
you on tous they'll challenge a site and say we've

531
00:26:22,079 --> 00:26:24,559
found an arrowhead. Well we think that's a grave good.

532
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,720
Well technically it's not a grave good, but they'll tie

533
00:26:26,759 --> 00:26:29,039
your ass up in court longer than any archaeologist is

534
00:26:29,079 --> 00:26:30,640
going to be any institution's going to be able to

535
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,559
run with it. And so there's a lot of claims

536
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:37,839
to be made based on age. Like Ken kennewick Man

537
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:40,400
was about ten thousand years old, and he was claimed

538
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,920
why the locals the callvill tribe, even though he's arguably

539
00:26:44,039 --> 00:26:45,920
not a call. So this way you're going to get

540
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,279
those older dates. If the dative tribes are involved, they're

541
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,720
going to be like, yeah, well history book says twelve

542
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,079
thousand years, Better make that eighteen thousand, because we want

543
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:54,720
that next pile of bones to be ours. And you

544
00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:58,160
can't really blame them. They've had everything stomped and stolen

545
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,440
from them. The only thing they have left to their

546
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,000
old ways, to their kids is a little bit of

547
00:27:03,039 --> 00:27:06,079
control they have over their land. And if I wasn't, indeed,

548
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,839
I'd be fucked if you were going to take what

549
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,480
little bit of control I have left from me.

550
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 6: That's why we have Nacpro where it's at right now.

551
00:27:12,559 --> 00:27:14,559
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you know what's so interesting now?

552
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's and you know what it's going to

553
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,839
be like that for a lot of history.

554
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:22,599
Speaker 7: And you know, sometimes I don't blame it because this

555
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:24,799
place is, like I said, I've visited a lot of places.

556
00:27:24,839 --> 00:27:26,359
I'm more of a boots on ground trying to do

557
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,319
local history type things. You know, I do want to

558
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,519
go to Egypt and all those other places. Haven't been there,

559
00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:33,000
but eventually I'll make it. And uh, there's is a

560
00:27:33,039 --> 00:27:36,680
place called the Horton House here in Georgia and it's

561
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:38,519
made out of like tabby and stuff like that.

562
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 6: It's on the coast and stuff like that's on the island.

563
00:27:41,279 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 7: And uh, when you go up there and visit, you

564
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:46,079
can see that people are scratching their names on the walls,

565
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,400
so they're destroying history.

566
00:27:47,559 --> 00:27:49,039
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It's open to the public.

567
00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,119
You don't have to pay no money to go visit it.

568
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,519
Speaker 7: There's no gates, there's no nothing straight on the on

569
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:55,880
the road. It's a historical site. It has a historical

570
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:56,720
marker and everything.

571
00:27:57,279 --> 00:27:59,279
Speaker 6: But as soon as you walk up to the youth

572
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,799
and this is on a rich island, mind you.

573
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,799
Speaker 7: So when people say there's a demographic for certain things

574
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,559
that happens to archaeological sites, that's a bullshit lie, because

575
00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:09,720
this is a rich island.

576
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,279
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. And I'm telling you, you

577
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,519
go up there and there's one hundred hundreds of scratches

578
00:28:15,599 --> 00:28:19,039
on there, you know, people's names, arts, arrows and stuff

579
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,079
like that. I'm like, you destroying history.

580
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 7: And then you get mad when you get older about

581
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,799
our age and they don't blocked it all off, fenced

582
00:28:27,839 --> 00:28:28,160
it off.

583
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,079
Speaker 6: Nobody can go there and visit. You got to pay

584
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,039
five dollars, five dollars to go in there.

585
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 7: You know, I'm saying, you got paid for the security, this, that,

586
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,440
and third, and you done make everything works because your grandchildren.

587
00:28:39,519 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 6: Didn't do what or your parents before you didn't do

588
00:28:42,519 --> 00:28:43,599
what they were supposed to do, you know what.

589
00:28:44,079 --> 00:28:46,519
Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, it's a rough one. It goes that

590
00:28:46,599 --> 00:28:49,960
psychological thing again. I mean that I'm scratching my name

591
00:28:50,039 --> 00:28:51,759
on this rock because a bunch of other people are

592
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:53,200
going to come look at it. Who the funk wouldn't

593
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,759
want to know who Dan Richards is? Come on, Dann

594
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:56,400
Richards was here?

595
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:56,559
Speaker 4: Right?

596
00:28:56,759 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 10: That means something kill Roy was here? The fuck's Kilroy?

597
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:03,640
But me, come on, everybody, everybody's brain does that. It's

598
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:08,319
a fucking byproduct of the human nature. I mean, we

599
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,200
could sit here and I can look at all of

600
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:11,759
you on the screen and be like, oh, they're all

601
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:13,559
feeling great, and one of you has got a fucking

602
00:29:13,599 --> 00:29:15,440
bad leg and one of you's chest is hurt, and

603
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:17,920
it's just like we none of us know what goes

604
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,720
on in somebody else's reality, and so that because of that,

605
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,559
we end up inherently self centered. And like a lot

606
00:29:26,559 --> 00:29:28,880
of people say, human nature is so nice, and that's

607
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,559
such a fucking hippie take. I'm sorry, but like, if

608
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,640
you empowered every one year old on the planet put

609
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,880
them in a two undred and fifty pound bodybuilder's body,

610
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,559
we would all be fucked. We would all be fucked.

611
00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,880
They would take everything they wanted and beat our asses

612
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,279
into the ground when we resisted.

613
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, a cool story with that, what you were saying,

614
00:29:46,039 --> 00:29:49,720
like the tagging, And I didn't realized it until I

615
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,039
honestly started reading like four or five years ago. I

616
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:55,000
was never a big reader, but so blessed that I

617
00:29:55,079 --> 00:29:57,920
actually did, because there's so much more information in the books.

618
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,599
But I was reading the Graham stuff and he was

619
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,400
talking about the first time that he climbed on top

620
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,839
of the pyramids and how he had to pay off

621
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,799
all these guards. He said it cost him all kinds

622
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,680
of money. He got halfway up and some more guards

623
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,519
set him like, way, you know, give us some money,

624
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,680
He said, I finally made it up there. He said

625
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,279
he got to see the sunrise on top. He was

626
00:30:18,359 --> 00:30:20,680
describing how he felt and everything else. He said, but

627
00:30:21,559 --> 00:30:24,599
I think it was his father, someone of his fame. Yeah,

628
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,880
had went up there and said he carved his name

629
00:30:27,799 --> 00:30:30,119
and said, so he watched the sunrise. He said, he

630
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,519
remembered that he got to looking and he actually found

631
00:30:34,079 --> 00:30:38,359
his grandfather's carving on the pyramid. So that that was

632
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:39,039
pretty awesome.

633
00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,279
Speaker 10: Yeah, that is pretty cool.

634
00:30:41,759 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 12: So, Dan, what's what's been your most surprising thing that

635
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:50,640
he uncovered while researching claims and conspiracies, Like, the most

636
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,279
surprising to.

637
00:30:51,319 --> 00:30:54,799
Speaker 10: You, most surprising to me that I uncovered. That's a

638
00:30:54,839 --> 00:30:57,400
good question. I think, honestly, the thing that blew my

639
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,559
mind the most is currently would be the way that

640
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,039
it's either the metal plate in the Great Pyramid or

641
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,359
the way that's been handled, or the way that the

642
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:15,799
Peruvian elongated skulls have been handled, either one of those

643
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,279
kind of just like the metal plate in the Great

644
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:23,279
Pyramid was part of Howard Avice's team, It's the same

645
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,519
group that found the cartouches that the debunkers like to

646
00:31:26,559 --> 00:31:28,880
throw on everybody's faces and say that this proves that

647
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Kufu's men built the pyramid. So you get debunkers claiming

648
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,640
that Howard Avice's team lied about the cartouches. But then

649
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,039
you get the skeptics claiming that Howard a Vice's team

650
00:31:39,119 --> 00:31:41,599
lied about this metal play because it's an iron plate

651
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:46,680
in bronze age. So both sides say that, you know,

652
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:48,759
they don't want to trust the scientists there, but you

653
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,000
do some research and it's like they're actually, you know,

654
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:54,200
like about eight hundred miles away, and like three hundred

655
00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:57,519
years after the Great Pyramid was said to have been built,

656
00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:01,720
they find evidence of iron smelting right there. So it's

657
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,079
I mean, it's not really a stretch to imagine them

658
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,640
trading some pretty low grade iron to them, But nobody

659
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,960
put that together. It's just like I'll sit in there,

660
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,359
and as soon as that plate, as soon as that

661
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,079
plate was basically proven to not have been meteoric iron,

662
00:32:15,119 --> 00:32:17,880
it was just dismissed out of hand, like it was bullshit.

663
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,599
Speaker 12: Didn't fit in narrative that they wanted to tell to them.

664
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,359
Speaker 10: And even though the answer is mundane if you look,

665
00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:26,519
but it's nobody wants to do it. And the other

666
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:30,000
one the way that the elongated skulls in Peru were treated.

667
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:31,799
I mean that read l like like I was reading

668
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,440
a document that was historically going through the history of it,

669
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:38,160
and I felt like I was watching the fucking X Files. Man,

670
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:42,119
it was insane, like a scientist is. Like I went

671
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,359
and opened sixty two grave bundles. Each one of those

672
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:48,240
elongated skulls comes in this big grave bag, right, a

673
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:52,400
big burlap bag, multi tiered textile to store a body inside.

674
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,119
So his dudes, like I went, I opened sixty three

675
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,000
grave bundles or some such I recorded the contents of six,

676
00:32:59,079 --> 00:33:00,720
and I closed the other one back up and put

677
00:33:00,759 --> 00:33:04,480
them back on the shelf, and over and over. You

678
00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:07,599
see this kind of stuff where it's like, uh, they

679
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:13,240
were selling skulls to fucking Oh, come on, what's the

680
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:20,480
dude today of the New York the original giants, Rockefeller

681
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:23,119
bought four of them and was the first person to

682
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,920
invest any money into into this thing. And uh, ever

683
00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,359
since then, every time that these skulls pop up, for

684
00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,240
every time anybody opens the skulls or does anything with them,

685
00:33:34,279 --> 00:33:36,799
shit gets shady, Like all the way up into the seventies.

686
00:33:36,799 --> 00:33:40,759
Shit was shady people. Did they do a public filming

687
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:43,279
of them opening a bundle and you can't find that

688
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,200
video or any reports of what happened. Just the fact

689
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,519
that that did happen and it was public. It's like,

690
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,759
so the newspaper covered it, looked for these people. Articles

691
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:54,160
not there. It's like, well, fucking what the hell? That

692
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,240
one did? Get me kind of feel a little a

693
00:33:56,279 --> 00:33:58,279
little like I was sitting next to aj from the

694
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:04,720
WI files instead of sitting in my base. Yeah, there's

695
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:08,079
a lot of that stuff. Actually, that is another one.

696
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:11,400
I'm working on it now. I'm working on this. Uh,

697
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:14,239
some more elongated skulls. You know, they're they're kind of

698
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,280
just not spoken of. They're kind of all over the world,

699
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,440
and they're just kind of absolutely you look into a

700
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:24,119
Native American tribe and they may well have been quote

701
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:28,719
unquote long heads or flattheads, and you look into it

702
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,400
and you're like, holy shit, man, nobody ever talks about this.

703
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,559
It's like you could live right next to it, and uh,

704
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,159
nobody's talking about it. And it's all over the place,

705
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:38,800
and it's weird.

706
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 12: Africa, there's they've found them everywhere.

707
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,559
Speaker 2: This one's a replica from the Parrakas goals. I think

708
00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:50,039
it would be to a lot of the conferences and

709
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:53,440
have people sign it. But a lot of people, especially

710
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,320
like Ala Morzouli, A bunch of them guys went down

711
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,480
there and studied these things, did DNA sampling, uh, and

712
00:34:58,559 --> 00:35:00,760
a bunch of these man they got so many phenomenalies

713
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,199
that don't match up to headbinding, like the Sadder Sutra

714
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,239
will be missing the eye orbits twenty to thirty percent,

715
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:10,480
larger extra set of for raven magnums in the back,

716
00:35:10,559 --> 00:35:12,760
and that's for the arteries and nerve. It needs to

717
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,559
compensate for this elongated goal. So many things that brain

718
00:35:16,599 --> 00:35:19,519
case volume and bigger in some of those. So many

719
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:21,800
things to a race.

720
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, the structure of the interior as far as the

721
00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,639
webbing of the interiors I've also seen is different as well.

722
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 2: Even the mounting because the mount point here is all

723
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,800
the way at the back. All human skulls mount here,

724
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,559
so even the ones they know that from headbinding doesn't

725
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,599
change the anchor point. But yeah, these longated s gold me.

726
00:35:40,639 --> 00:35:43,679
That's something that's really fascinated me is that the biggest

727
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,719
rabbit trails. Hey, Doc is that the biggest thing is

728
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,800
that the anchor point. Like forget the elongation p part, right,

729
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,480
but the anchor part with that change a lot more

730
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:59,199
in our mindset of things, Like I think it shows

731
00:35:59,199 --> 00:36:01,079
you it's built in the to the DNA, you know,

732
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:02,840
because all the ones that they have that they know

733
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,519
are from head binding. That still doesn't change that anchor point, right.

734
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 10: That's what makes What's a problem I joked about that

735
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,119
in a recent video with the head binding, is that

736
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:15,519
you just can't, like you just can't grab some babies

737
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:17,360
and slap wrap their heads. So we need to do

738
00:36:17,519 --> 00:36:19,280
is like it's just like the foot binding. We need

739
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,119
to clone some people and then practice both on them.

740
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,280
So we cut the human rights violations in half, but

741
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,760
we still have knowledge out of it. Feet and head

742
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,039
fuck you do it up. But serious is serious. Like here,

743
00:36:32,119 --> 00:36:34,920
I got this book here. This is pretty rare one.

744
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,320
My buddy Sean Mooney lowed me for some research. I'm

745
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,320
doing the Chinook Sign of Freedom Chief Comcomly Skull And

746
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,199
this is a nineteen fifty nine or nineteen fifty nine

747
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:52,639
book from the Smithsonian Institute, and it's got this elongate school.

748
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:55,000
It's not nearly as crazy as the one you were

749
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,360
just holding. But they repatriated this in nineteen sixty I

750
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,440
think to the.

751
00:37:00,119 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 11: Back on that one also that even if you look

752
00:37:02,519 --> 00:37:07,159
at the whole, it's it's farther back than it should be.

753
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, chat, this was, Yeah, this was they repatriated this.

754
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,119
We don't have it and they buried it. But yeah,

755
00:37:14,119 --> 00:37:16,360
there's there's a hell of a story there, man, there was.

756
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:20,079
What's the name of the book again, Dan, You're not

757
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,920
going to find it for sale anyway. It's a rare one. Uh,

758
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,000
the Chinook Sign of Freedom, The Study of the School

759
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,719
of the Famous Chief com Calmly. It's from the Smithsonian Institution, Washington,

760
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:35,639
nineteen sixty. Thanks, Yeah, no problem. It's you might find

761
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:37,519
a PDF for something. But yeah, I've not been able

762
00:37:37,559 --> 00:37:40,639
to find that book for sale anywhere. My buddy Sean,

763
00:37:40,679 --> 00:37:42,119
like I said, loaded to me, he's turned me on

764
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:45,400
to some interesting stuff that's fairly local that I'm kind

765
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,320
of doing a deep dive into, not kind of, I'm

766
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,719
doing some a lot of work into this one, and

767
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:54,000
kind of he showed meself that's I don't agree with

768
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:56,119
everything he's pointed out to me, as he's well aware,

769
00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:57,760
but there's some of the stuff that he's pointed out

770
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:00,760
that's so just just so fucking interest that I can't

771
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,440
not dig as deep as I can. So me and

772
00:38:03,559 --> 00:38:05,079
him were going to do a road trip here soon

773
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:08,679
and take a look at a few things, and yeah,

774
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,599
it's it's some life's crazy. Man.

775
00:38:11,119 --> 00:38:13,559
Speaker 11: That actually leads me into another question that I had,

776
00:38:13,639 --> 00:38:17,719
which is, have you ever investigated something that you thought

777
00:38:18,079 --> 00:38:23,800
was just freaking nonsense? Right, but came away thinking, wait

778
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:26,599
a minute, there's more to this.

779
00:38:27,199 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 10: The I'll be honest to the uh the maps, the

780
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,800
old maps of Antarctica with ice free coasts and stuff.

781
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,079
I thought for sure when I started digging into it,

782
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:39,559
I thought for sure I was gonna be looking into

783
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,960
looking at Paradolia. I thought for sure that I was

784
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,719
going to be But at the end of the day,

785
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,000
the boy, did I pissed some marchaeologists off with this one,

786
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:49,559
even though we were all buddies at that time and

787
00:38:49,559 --> 00:38:51,559
I wasn't really fighting with they all, just like they

788
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,360
were all talking to me, and everybody just walked away

789
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,039
and clammed up when I said this. They didn't they

790
00:38:55,039 --> 00:38:58,199
didn't want to hear it. But there's you know, the

791
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,920
same the same thing that makes me go with an

792
00:39:02,039 --> 00:39:06,079
archaeologist that specializes in carbon dating seeds if he says

793
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:08,199
this seed is X number of years old, and then

794
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,039
somebody else that doesn't carbon date seed says it's X

795
00:39:11,159 --> 00:39:14,559
number of years old. Same thing with these maps. We've

796
00:39:14,599 --> 00:39:17,960
had exactly one team of professional cartographers worked on it,

797
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,760
and they came away saying that they were maps of Antarctica.

798
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,119
Now you start bringing out other teams professional cartographers, that'd

799
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:26,760
be great, But when you bring out historians that have

800
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,440
a minor in cartography, it's like, well, that's nice, that's interesting,

801
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:33,480
But he's a historian first. He's trying to make it

802
00:39:33,559 --> 00:39:38,360
fit this narrative. The Colonel Harald z Oldmeyer, who was

803
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,039
in charge of them doing the work on those maps,

804
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:46,000
a motherfucker was the lead bombardier on daylight and night

805
00:39:46,079 --> 00:39:48,480
raid missions in World War Two. He knew how to

806
00:39:48,559 --> 00:39:50,880
read a map, all right. He wasn't just like, oh, dude,

807
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,320
to do to do? I think that might be this coastline? No, man,

808
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:55,760
he was capable of doing that shit under fire while

809
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,400
people trying to trick him into thinking it's over there.

810
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,199
He was good at it. I have to defer to

811
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,840
the experts on that man. So that did kind of

812
00:40:05,119 --> 00:40:07,079
it kind of impressed me. I didn't expect it to

813
00:40:07,159 --> 00:40:10,639
be so I didn't expect to be so robust.

814
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,159
Speaker 12: Basically, yeah, super interesting.

815
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 10: So how about you guys, You guys got me answered

816
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:20,880
all kinds of questions, some of you. You know, somebody

817
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:21,280
is here.

818
00:40:22,559 --> 00:40:25,159
Speaker 7: You know, I was going to say, you know, it's

819
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,920
crazy that his history is the way it is. You know,

820
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,639
everybody has a puzzle piece. Nobody in this room or

821
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,039
on this planet has enough time out the day to

822
00:40:33,159 --> 00:40:37,519
do research and every aspect of everything on this planning.

823
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,639
Speaker 6: Even one subject.

824
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 7: Nobody has enough time on one lifetime to learn everything,

825
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,159
I mean, just one subject.

826
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,199
Speaker 6: So everybody needs to work together.

827
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 7: I hate how a lot of people come back grand

828
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,760
because I actually been found on Grant for years and

829
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:58,360
I've been I've read his books, I watched his documentaries.

830
00:40:58,719 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 6: I go over his stuff.

831
00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:01,599
Speaker 7: There was a time when I wanted to go over

832
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,159
his stuff like everybody else did. But I was like, man,

833
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,760
that's you know, that's so saturated. Everybody's doing the same thing.

834
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,079
Speaker 10: You know, forget it.

835
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,039
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not trying to go down that route.

836
00:41:10,559 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 7: But he has a lot of questions. First, he says

837
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:16,719
a lot. You know, he basically wants to know who

838
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,320
were the people before the Ice age? Who were the

839
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,920
group of individuals before that, because obviously they were important, right,

840
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,119
I mean, I mean, everybody's trying to find out who

841
00:41:26,199 --> 00:41:28,599
they are. It's just that most people don't like what

842
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,760
he says when he's looking for when he's questioning their information.

843
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 6: So this is what I hate what people do.

844
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 7: When you're sitting in a room and you're trying to

845
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,079
present information, you're only presenting the information based off of

846
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,760
your own research. Now you're presenting your presenting this room

847
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,639
and probably fifty to one hundred other people. Now somebody

848
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,480
in that room, I guarantee you probably has some more information.

849
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,320
And Graham takes that information and he applies it to

850
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:56,920
his ideas and theories. All the time he takes it's

851
00:41:57,039 --> 00:41:59,519
like he takes the it's like he takes their stuff.

852
00:41:59,519 --> 00:42:02,519
And normally users against him and they don't just pay

853
00:42:02,559 --> 00:42:05,559
attention to what they say because he's asking. Okay, the

854
00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,920
first thing he asked is will tell me who where

855
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,000
they were before that? And nine times out of ten

856
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:11,679
that shit held ten out of ten. Because the people

857
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,960
like to argue with him. You know, they say, well,

858
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:17,159
we know, well that's what he's trying to figure out, right,

859
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,440
And some people don't like the word advanced civilization. And

860
00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,400
this that how many people have actually asked him a

861
00:42:23,559 --> 00:42:25,960
question about what is a civilization?

862
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:28,039
Speaker 6: So this is where I kick it. So we got

863
00:42:28,119 --> 00:42:29,400
Flint dibble over here. Right.

864
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 7: He was on the here on Joe Rogan. He was

865
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,360
talking about civilization where he likes to go at Graham

866
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,840
a lot, and I actually made a little song from

867
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:39,719
you know, one of those AI things because I thought

868
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,280
this shit was so funny. When he was on Joe Rogan,

869
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,599
I think it was like eighteen minutes in, seventeen eighteen

870
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,239
minutes in, and he said he was talking about how

871
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:52,039
he never uses the word, he never defines the word civilization,

872
00:42:52,199 --> 00:42:54,119
that he almost doesn't use the word because there's no

873
00:42:55,559 --> 00:42:57,480
Everybody has their own way of defining of.

874
00:42:57,519 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 6: What a civilization is, which is fair enough.

875
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 7: But if you're going to have an argument about advanced civilization,

876
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:06,199
at the bare minimum, you got to define with civilization

877
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,079
and so everybody can understand what you're saying.

878
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 6: That's at the bare minimum.

879
00:43:09,599 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: Right.

880
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:14,199
Speaker 6: Graham has done that throughout his whole entire career. So

881
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,920
everybody that follows him doesn't need that explaint anymore.

882
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,199
Speaker 7: Right, And anybody knew that wanted to know that was

883
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,519
thrown off of it because Flint himself says that.

884
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:25,280
Speaker 6: They don't even worry about that anymore.

885
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 7: Now you're saying this from an academic point of view,

886
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,800
that you don't have a defined definition of what a

887
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,159
civilization is, but you want to argue about in advanced civilization.

888
00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,559
Speaker 6: That doesn't make sense to me.

889
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,159
Speaker 10: Well, I I'll tell you a step further. Flint isn't

890
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:44,119
even somebody. Flint is in almost no better position than

891
00:43:44,159 --> 00:43:46,599
I am to tell you how much they are saying

892
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,800
the word civilization nowadays. His specialty has fuck all to

893
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:55,440
do with civilization, that overarching look at he deals with food.

894
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,360
He deals with food. So the definitions that he's going

895
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,679
to be dealing with that, they're going to be scientific definitions,

896
00:44:01,679 --> 00:44:03,440
and they're different than the ones that they bring out

897
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:07,079
to the lay people. So everybody, most people are familiar

898
00:44:07,119 --> 00:44:09,039
with the difference of the term theory, but for those

899
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:12,199
that aren't, a theory to us. If I say, ah,

900
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,800
you know, I've got a theory about what happened on

901
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:15,719
nine to eleven. That means I got some idea with

902
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:21,079
no fucking evidence attached or threadbaar evidence. But in science,

903
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,320
you know, a theory is a hypothesis that stood up

904
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:27,519
to numerous tests, has failed none of them. All the

905
00:44:27,599 --> 00:44:30,719
evidence supports it, none of the evidence supposes it, Like

906
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,480
the theory of gravity or the theory of relativity. I ask,

907
00:44:34,599 --> 00:44:39,880
fucking Herosian, how hypothetical that is? You know, it's not hypothetical, man,

908
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:45,280
this is real. So it's science uses different terms, and

909
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,920
so Flint plays a little bit of a weasel. By

910
00:44:49,159 --> 00:44:51,480
a little bit, Flint plays Weasley games, and that one

911
00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,199
of them that he does there is obfuscating what that

912
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,599
term means between both camps. It's not. It's one of

913
00:44:57,639 --> 00:44:59,679
the things that really really rouse me the wrong way

914
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,519
about him and a lot of those guys is they

915
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,559
don't just they don't just misrepresent things when they're talking.

916
00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:10,480
They misrepresent things so bad that somebody watching them discuss

917
00:45:10,519 --> 00:45:12,760
things can walk away with a bad idea on how

918
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,679
science has performed. They walk away with the wrong ideas

919
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,960
in their head. On a fundamental level. They remove archaeology

920
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,480
from the picture, and they still are going to have

921
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:25,159
a bad idea and the way that they handle these

922
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:28,880
things is very You know, we're at a point in

923
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:34,800
history right now where science seems to be political. You

924
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:38,000
have scientists that support the left and scientists that support

925
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:40,000
the right. And that's the most fucked place that science

926
00:45:40,039 --> 00:45:42,400
could be ever, because science is a pursuit of truth

927
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,960
and politics is a pursuit of being a cocksucker as

928
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:50,960
far as but in all honesty, politics has fuck all

929
00:45:51,039 --> 00:45:51,760
to do with science.

930
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 4: But people science is the politics.

931
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 10: Well yeah, and when they My issue is is when

932
00:45:59,920 --> 00:46:03,760
you get to where you have scientists that people don't

933
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,639
trust because of their politically I don't trust fou to you,

934
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,840
or I don't trust this guy, I't What you end

935
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:13,840
up with is you you've got no people quit trusting science,

936
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,400
and people can get science to report whatever they want,

937
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:17,719
and you can't even do it in a court of

938
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,679
law anymore because you're gonna call it for a fucking expert. Well,

939
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:22,679
I got a scientist a donkey next to their name,

940
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,679
Well fuck you. I got a scientist in the same

941
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:26,679
field and with the elephant next to his And now

942
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
you've got to judge dani Or has no fucking idea

943
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,519
what any of this man we're looking at We're in

944
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:34,280
some very ugly ugly We're in a very ugly place,

945
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:35,639
and it's going to get a whole lot worse work

946
00:46:35,639 --> 00:46:38,159
it gets better as far as how science and the

947
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,079
public interact. And a lot of it is the egos

948
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,119
of people like flinted.

949
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 9: Right and the scientific journals even they have themselves have

950
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:50,239
come out and admitted that more than fifty percent of

951
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:54,840
their research papers are non reproducible in regard to you know,

952
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:56,360
the yeah.

953
00:46:56,719 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's over. I want to say it was

954
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,280
over eighty thousand papers were retracted in twenty twenty four,

955
00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,400
over eighty thousand. And some of this is because we've

956
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:11,320
got AI now, you know, scrubbing those things and looking

957
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,639
for coming through them and looking for plagiarism and faulty

958
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,360
data sets and whatnot. But a lot of it is

959
00:47:18,559 --> 00:47:21,559
just flat out that you know, I say this all

960
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,440
the time about archaeology, you know, when they tell me

961
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,119
I'm not a scientist, and I laugh, I was like,

962
00:47:26,159 --> 00:47:29,440
I'm an electrician, bitch, I did applied science. The universe

963
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:32,360
told me if I was wrong, you write a paper

964
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,000
and you give it to another archaeologist, did you circle

965
00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:37,239
jerk all day long. You could be talking about fucking

966
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,320
Harry Potter and none of you would ever retract the

967
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,480
other guy's paper, and you're gonna call it science. No, man,

968
00:47:41,679 --> 00:47:43,400
you're not a scientist. Bro.

969
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:46,199
Speaker 6: I hate I hate when people do that.

970
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: Bro.

971
00:47:46,599 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 7: I hate when people say, well, i'm this, you're not that,

972
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:52,559
you know. I hate when people throw that shit out

973
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,639
there because that that doesn't mean any If that's the case,

974
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:57,760
then why the fuck didn't you prove what you said

975
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:58,480
in the first place?

976
00:47:58,559 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 6: Then, you know what I'm saying, why are you still

977
00:48:01,039 --> 00:48:02,400
Why haven't you figured it out? Then?

978
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,119
Speaker 7: Since you have this degree, you're you're looking at from

979
00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:09,880
that non uh perspective of having that that the credentials

980
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:12,039
that they're looking for. So if it doesn't make sense

981
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:14,519
to that non credential person, then make it make.

982
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 6: Sense to them. Make it makes sense to us. You

983
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:17,400
know what I'm saying.

984
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,079
Speaker 7: You have, you have the education, you have the background,

985
00:48:20,119 --> 00:48:22,400
you have the academic You sitting here throwing yourself on

986
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:23,440
this pedestal.

987
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,039
Speaker 6: Talking about some Oh yeah I got this PhD and

988
00:48:25,039 --> 00:48:27,719
blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so explain it to

989
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:28,760
us idiots then.

990
00:48:31,559 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 2: Language.

991
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:33,559
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's

992
00:48:33,599 --> 00:48:33,960
a wall.

993
00:48:35,639 --> 00:48:39,159
Speaker 2: You know, be the Gandalf that brings this knowledge and learn.

994
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:43,119
Speaker 7: If it doesn't make sense that of course we're going

995
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:45,280
to ask these questions because it doesn't make sense because

996
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,559
you're telling us we don't have these credentials that you have.

997
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,119
Speaker 6: So now when we ask these questions, now it's your opportunity.

998
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 7: Send you up on this high rise and all this

999
00:48:53,079 --> 00:48:55,320
other shit that you got, this academic you can.

1000
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 6: Walk around and say, hey, I'm doctor this this this okay,

1001
00:48:58,199 --> 00:48:59,239
will not prove it to us.

1002
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 7: Tell us what we know, show me the facts, because

1003
00:49:02,039 --> 00:49:04,639
guess what, there's other PhD right over here saying that

1004
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:05,880
you're a crock of bullshit.

1005
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 6: So both y'all got pad. So which one am I supposed.

1006
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 10: To believe that? Yeah?

1007
00:49:10,039 --> 00:49:12,119
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, tell me that riddle me

1008
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:12,840
that batman.

1009
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,119
Speaker 10: It's fall it's that part has fallen this ship with it.

1010
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,320
Like I was saying, you can't it's got to where

1011
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:24,199
we can't trust Uh, we can't trust science anymore. And uh,

1012
00:49:24,679 --> 00:49:27,599
you know, Carl Sagan was the guy that really he

1013
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,639
brought the lights from Gandalf to the masses with U

1014
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:37,199
with uh the cosmology and freaking astronomy, and he got

1015
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,800
all kinds of shit. His colleagues grilled him and just

1016
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,239
picked on him all the time. Go go write another

1017
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,639
paper for the fucking idiots, and we're gonna go write

1018
00:49:44,639 --> 00:49:48,119
a paper for and segan published papers, but it wasn't.

1019
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:52,239
His focus was science education. And the thing is, in

1020
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,639
all honesty, I personally think a lot of the reason

1021
00:49:54,679 --> 00:49:56,480
that guys like him get a lot of shit is

1022
00:49:56,559 --> 00:49:59,079
because they are the same reason that Lee Berger if

1023
00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:01,119
you remember the Cave Bones, if any of you saw

1024
00:50:01,199 --> 00:50:03,760
that on Netflix, So he got a lot of people,

1025
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,840
He got all kinds of shit from our archaeologists and anthropologists.

1026
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,599
And the reason is because these guys, generally speaking, a

1027
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:13,920
good scientist ex a real good scientist is not just

1028
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,880
a bit of a nerd. They're fucking socially awkward. They

1029
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:23,000
they're they're they're weird, and that's fine and good in

1030
00:50:23,159 --> 00:50:25,760
the lab, but it really sucks when you put them

1031
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:28,239
on a TV screen and they're trying to convince normal

1032
00:50:28,360 --> 00:50:31,480
people that this guy that you were, like, somebody checked

1033
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,960
that motherfucker's hard drive. You don't want to have this

1034
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:36,559
guy talking on to the public and everybody's like, oh,

1035
00:50:36,639 --> 00:50:38,559
this is the font of knowledge. We're all looking at

1036
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:40,880
this guy down this. It used to be that the

1037
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,639
only time you would see those kinds of scientists was

1038
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,199
on freaking PBS at three am. And otherwise you were

1039
00:50:47,199 --> 00:50:48,679
going to get a Carl Sagan type. You were going

1040
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:49,840
to get a guy that knew how to talk to

1041
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,559
the camera and give you a little shock and jive

1042
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:53,440
and hey, guys, welcome back, and here's what we're going

1043
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,760
to talk about today. And then when you don't get that,

1044
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,559
in stead, we get these guys that are fucking uh,

1045
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,000
or that are egotistical and get all red faced and

1046
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:09,320
screamy or basically, the the facade that scientists hid behind

1047
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,639
for centuries fell the ship in the social media era

1048
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,440
when they all got to get on Twitter and scream

1049
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,159
about stupid ship and they all start doing all the

1050
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,599
goofy ship that everybody makes fun of, and it's now

1051
00:51:20,679 --> 00:51:23,159
it's like, okay, so you're just you're you're just people

1052
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,360
like us, but you're kind of a worse person than us,

1053
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,360
because most of us at least know how to dress

1054
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,039
and like, don't say the stupid ass ship, you do

1055
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,039
so and I of us.

1056
00:51:33,039 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 6: Know how to use common sense too, they don't.

1057
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 8: Einstein said, if you can't explain your idea to a

1058
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:43,360
six year old, you don't understand it yourself.

1059
00:51:47,559 --> 00:51:50,559
Speaker 7: That yeah, y'all know, I was in the military. We

1060
00:51:50,639 --> 00:51:54,159
call it keep it simple stupid. That's what simple stupid.

1061
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,519
That's what we were saying. So if you can't keep

1062
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:00,119
it simple stupid to me, I guess, I guess that's

1063
00:52:00,119 --> 00:52:02,039
what you're saying. Just ain't holding up then, because I

1064
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,360
I I you know when people talk. You mentioned the

1065
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:07,000
word gravity. You don't have to explain gravity to me.

1066
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:09,159
I pick up this goddamn phone and let go of.

1067
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:10,679
It's going to hit the ground. That's all I need

1068
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:12,400
to know. Anything that I pick up is going to

1069
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,960
eventually hit the ground. That's all I need to know gravity. Now,

1070
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:15,719
if I want to get.

1071
00:52:15,639 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 6: Into this scientific theory relativity and all this other stuff.

1072
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 7: My mind is going to be ain't going down that road.

1073
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,559
But I know the simple thing, foundational aspect of what

1074
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,320
gravity is. So you know, all that other argument and

1075
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,800
theories that everybody else have that's still up in the air.

1076
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:31,320
Speaker 12: Better explain it. Like Bernie.

1077
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,519
Speaker 4: Actually, I think the idea of gravity that tangent to

1078
00:52:35,599 --> 00:52:40,800
us is completely warm. That's why I've been one thing

1079
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:44,159
that's going to ask you about and get into a

1080
00:52:44,199 --> 00:52:47,079
little bit more. This is the cult rejects when it

1081
00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,360
comes to like ritual stuff. Was there places that you thought,

1082
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,239
like for sure definitely had the areas that you were

1083
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,360
like there was ritual shit going on here? Oh and

1084
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:57,679
what made you think that?

1085
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 9: Like?

1086
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,280
Speaker 10: Why, Well, there's certain places where we see those like

1087
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,239
blood letting stones, where they're pretty clearly made to like

1088
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,719
collect blood when you caught something. And I mean that's

1089
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:10,920
you know, I mean, I guess you could be eating

1090
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,000
the blood or making black pudding out of it, but

1091
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:15,760
I would, I would got in the limits say, most

1092
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,719
of those cultures are probably using it for some sort

1093
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,679
of ceremonial purposes. Given what most cultures tend to think

1094
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,559
about blood, I can't think of any culture actually that

1095
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:28,920
doesn't have some weird, some weird spiritual significance attached to blood.

1096
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,400
There's uh that gets tricky because I mean the word

1097
00:53:34,599 --> 00:53:38,400
the word ritual is so vague, and so I mean, uh,

1098
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,480
my last video I actually just talked about a little bit.

1099
00:53:41,519 --> 00:53:44,360
I joked about how a baseball player picks up his

1100
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,400
bat and touches it in a certain way. That's that's

1101
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:47,559
a ritual, right, So.

1102
00:53:49,159 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: For two weeks I think you said something.

1103
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:55,599
Speaker 10: It gets difficult to know what. But there are places,

1104
00:53:55,639 --> 00:53:58,519
for sure, there's some dark places like that. People have

1105
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:00,960
done some fucked up stuff. There's no question. Like you

1106
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:05,000
know in car on Tepe Graham Hancock mentioned it at

1107
00:54:05,039 --> 00:54:07,480
the first season of Ancient Apocalypse. How that that face

1108
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:09,239
that's sticking out of the side of the wall just

1109
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:13,079
looks Yeah, it's fucking That thing's ugly as fun, But

1110
00:54:13,199 --> 00:54:15,199
I think it's scary looking. It's a big just like

1111
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,360
kissy lips and ship. It's like you could imagine that

1112
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:20,880
enclosure being like filled with water or something. It'd be

1113
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,039
pretty scary little spot there. But uh, you know, I

1114
00:54:25,079 --> 00:54:29,119
would I think that the pyramids honestly, Like, do you

1115
00:54:29,159 --> 00:54:32,559
guys watch history for granted at all? He covers a

1116
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:36,800
lot of the the more mechanical aspects of Egyptian things,

1117
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:39,079
a lot of he's he's a pretty good channel. He's

1118
00:54:39,639 --> 00:54:42,440
not mainstream, but he's not alternative, I guess should say

1119
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,079
he does. He does some some like the chimney and

1120
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,000
the bent pyramid. For example, he went and took the

1121
00:54:48,039 --> 00:54:50,880
best photographs of that since the seventies, and he's got

1122
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,639
he's got theories on the port CLIs doors on the

1123
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,000
Great Pyramid and how they are were designed to be

1124
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,199
lowered and raised multiple times? Would they weren't designed to

1125
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,840
be dropped and lock the pharaoh in there forever? It

1126
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:07,000
was designed to be accessible and people come and go,

1127
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,079
And that implies it was more of an area of

1128
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:13,360
cultural of a ritual significance, and that would make sense.

1129
00:55:13,519 --> 00:55:16,559
Like we've opened one sarcophagus that was in a pyramid.

1130
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,079
It was sealed, but it had no body in it,

1131
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:23,079
So it does make sense that you know, the Egyptians

1132
00:55:23,119 --> 00:55:25,039
had like forty two gates. I think it was that

1133
00:55:25,119 --> 00:55:27,480
they had forty two stations basically they would go through

1134
00:55:27,559 --> 00:55:30,960
in their afterlife. And I don't see a reason why

1135
00:55:31,079 --> 00:55:33,360
they wouldn't re enact some of that on the earth,

1136
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:38,159
and you know, go stick his body in this one

1137
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,239
for six weeks, and stick his body in that one

1138
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,199
for six weeks, and stick his body and then then

1139
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,239
travel it over here and present it. I mean, I

1140
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:47,199
personally think there could have well been a whole, big,

1141
00:55:48,159 --> 00:55:51,320
big ass year long ceremony whenever a pharaoh died that

1142
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,159
really got the whole country behind it for a time.

1143
00:55:54,199 --> 00:55:57,760
It would it would make sense given what we see.

1144
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,440
I mean some of these things, you know, just it

1145
00:56:00,519 --> 00:56:04,639
beggars belief to think that it would be one person's uh,

1146
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:08,360
you know, one person's project to have all the GDP

1147
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:10,559
go into Kufu's pyramid, for example.

1148
00:56:10,679 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 12: Come on that.

1149
00:56:12,199 --> 00:56:15,679
Speaker 10: I personally think there was more than nothing involved in

1150
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:18,039
that except for I was here right, that's.

1151
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,079
Speaker 4: I was even saying, I think a few days ago.

1152
00:56:24,199 --> 00:56:26,079
That's funny, how like growing up, I believe that those

1153
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:27,920
things would build just to house a few dead people.

1154
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you can just have a grave yell. Yeah,

1155
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:35,119
I think it was.

1156
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,800
Speaker 6: I think it did multiple things. I noticed Guy uh

1157
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:42,960
Ken Goods words. Uh, he's actually a publisher. He actually

1158
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:43,719
published my book.

1159
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:47,679
Speaker 7: Actually he talks about uh and there's a lot of

1160
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,920
evidence about it about you know, some of these pyramids

1161
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,800
being used as chemical parents, like to make methane and

1162
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:57,039
certain stuff like that, and he goes in details and

1163
00:56:57,119 --> 00:57:01,599
in his book, and uh, it's just interesting that you know,

1164
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,639
there's different theories on why the pyramids were made. And

1165
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:09,880
I think that there was a multi you know type thing,

1166
00:57:10,039 --> 00:57:12,320
multi use type thing because of a simple fact that

1167
00:57:13,679 --> 00:57:15,599
I don't think it's just for the dedicated. I'm sure

1168
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,760
somebody said, hey, I want my body to be dead

1169
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,880
buried in there. I'm pretty sure somebody said that along

1170
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:23,920
the lines. But I don't think it was solely made

1171
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,840
for that. They had the kings Shamer, after Queen's Chamber,

1172
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:29,000
after this, they have that, and everybody comes up with

1173
00:57:29,039 --> 00:57:32,360
their ideas. But you know, one of the things that

1174
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:34,639
I that I'm always interested in is the idea of

1175
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,360
how the Pyramids were made. You know, a lot of

1176
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,800
people always says it took it takes twenty years. It

1177
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,320
took twenty years. That's what the consensus is. But if

1178
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,039
you actually read I believe it's herold Dodo's books, he

1179
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,480
actually says thirty years. He says ten years for the

1180
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:49,360
ramp and then twenty years for everything else. Now, this

1181
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,760
is a guy that wrote how the Pyramids were back

1182
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:53,840
back then. This is the first historian and this is

1183
00:57:53,840 --> 00:57:54,840
supposed to be a father for.

1184
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 6: Historian that actually talks about house built.

1185
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 7: But he never talks about the usages basically, like you

1186
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,199
never gets in detail on how the usages were made.

1187
00:58:04,199 --> 00:58:08,360
And you know what we also are what I also

1188
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,519
should say, I know is that the Pyramids is also

1189
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:12,400
in layers.

1190
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 6: It's not just one whole thing built over layers.

1191
00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:18,119
Speaker 7: So a lot of times some people say, you know

1192
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,320
that they did one thing and then they decided to

1193
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,599
add something else, and it's something they decided to add

1194
00:58:22,599 --> 00:58:24,239
something else and then it just came out to what

1195
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:28,960
it'd be. But you know, it's just theories. And then

1196
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:31,280
it lined up to the stars. Some people say that

1197
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,360
it's not lined up to the stars, that it's not

1198
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:35,800
that it is actually just close.

1199
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,199
Speaker 6: It's close, but not that close.

1200
00:58:37,239 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 7: But like you said, when you go outside now, when

1201
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,639
you go outside, now you got a light lot of

1202
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:44,079
light pollution. And nine times out of ten most people

1203
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,199
are looking down on their phones anyway. They're not looking

1204
00:58:46,239 --> 00:58:48,880
at the sky. Their sky was their television like it

1205
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,199
is as ours today. So them looking at the skies

1206
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:53,360
and building things according to the stars, and this, that

1207
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,119
and the third, it's going to be pretty accurate escessiorly.

1208
00:58:56,159 --> 00:58:57,719
Speaker 6: If you see the sun rise in the same.

1209
00:58:57,599 --> 00:58:59,519
Speaker 7: Spot over and over again, you're gonna be like, oh yeah,

1210
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,559
this build something here, This would be pretty cool. And

1211
00:59:01,639 --> 00:59:03,239
it's just to come in and together as a group

1212
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,480
of individuals trying to do something that when you said,

1213
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:07,599
you know, the myths and rituals and stuff like that,

1214
00:59:08,280 --> 00:59:11,400
I think the rituals was the you know, being consistent

1215
00:59:11,519 --> 00:59:14,320
with something, and that's how civilization was able to go forward,

1216
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:17,039
being consistent what we was doing. You know, I'll making

1217
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:21,000
sure that we paid attention for agricultural needs, you know,

1218
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,519
paying attention to the stars because you never know when

1219
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:24,960
the floods are going to hit. You might have to

1220
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:27,480
move your land and so forth, or your home or

1221
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,000
your residence from one spot to another to avoid the

1222
00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,400
catastrophe and stuff like that.

1223
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:33,039
Speaker 6: And that's where all these myths start.

1224
00:59:33,079 --> 00:59:36,239
Speaker 7: Telling these stories for entertainment wise, no different than when

1225
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:39,320
you watch Superman and Spider Man when they talk about

1226
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,920
that stuff. You know, they're keeping these stories entertaining for people.

1227
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:45,199
But sometimes some people can say, hey, there was actually

1228
00:59:45,679 --> 00:59:47,519
not a Spider Man in the sense of that idea,

1229
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:49,760
but there was actually a Spider Man god, right, so

1230
00:59:50,119 --> 00:59:51,719
and they get some of the remnants to make it

1231
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,559
the Spider Man Show and stuff like that. And it's

1232
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:58,599
just interesting that these myths has been carried forward because

1233
00:59:58,639 --> 01:00:01,239
we've been looking at those stars for thousands and thousands

1234
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:01,719
of years.

1235
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's pretty wild. The ancient Egyptians like to start

1236
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,360
with you've talked about the twenty year pyramid. I'll start there.

1237
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:16,119
That's that I've referred to as the gateway drug to

1238
01:00:16,159 --> 01:00:19,320
being a pyramidiot. You take any construction worker and tell

1239
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:21,440
him that it's taken twenty years to build the pyramid,

1240
01:00:21,480 --> 01:00:23,719
They're just like, all right, fuck you, what's the other alternatives?

1241
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,760
That's just we're just I'm just out. That's just stupid.

1242
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,920
I'm sorry, that's just stupid. So it's I think that's

1243
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,320
one of the biggest things. I personally think that if

1244
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,239
if the Fourth dynasty is when started and finished the pyramids,

1245
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:40,599
that it would be three at a time. I think

1246
01:00:40,679 --> 01:00:43,320
that you would be breaking ground on your sons as

1247
01:00:43,360 --> 01:00:46,280
you finished yours, or as you finish, as you finished

1248
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
years broke ground on your grandsons, and we're halfway done

1249
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,480
with your sons. I think that was a constant thing

1250
01:00:52,159 --> 01:00:56,599
for a few generations. They're assuming that was that they

1251
01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:59,440
were all built in the Fourth dynasty, like the historians

1252
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:04,559
say they were. But when it gets into the like Heroninous,

1253
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,519
you know, he's recycling, he's repeating what he was told

1254
01:01:08,719 --> 01:01:12,719
by uh an Egyptian priest. So his you know, his

1255
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:19,559
information is basically operating under the assumptions the Egyptians actually

1256
01:01:19,599 --> 01:01:21,679
built them and still knew how they were built and

1257
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:24,639
what had happened and whatnot. If it was a different culture,

1258
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:26,320
like a lot of people believed that it built them

1259
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,079
and then the Egyptians came in, and or that the

1260
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:32,079
Egyptians were just whacked so hard that they couldn't you know,

1261
01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:36,039
some cataclysm threw them back into where they were spending

1262
01:01:36,039 --> 01:01:38,199
a little bit of time in more subsistence based things.

1263
01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:40,199
You don't you don't tend to care so much about

1264
01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,119
your you know, esoteric things when you're worried about eating.

1265
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,920
So it wouldn't take a couple of generations to lose

1266
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,239
a lot of these things. Hell, it wouldn't take a

1267
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:49,199
couple of generations to lose a lot of this stuff.

1268
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,639
I talk a lot about how, you know, stonework was

1269
01:01:52,199 --> 01:01:55,079
stone was the premier building material for millions of years,

1270
01:01:55,159 --> 01:01:57,800
literally millions of years. Hominids were using it long before

1271
01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:01,400
human beings were ever a thing, and so you know,

1272
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:06,679
parent taught child for millions of years, little tricky techniques. Now,

1273
01:02:06,800 --> 01:02:09,199
think about whatever trade you do into the little stupid

1274
01:02:09,239 --> 01:02:11,320
tricks that somebody taught you how to cut onions or

1275
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:15,480
some bullshit. I'll imagine millions of years of accumulated knowledge

1276
01:02:15,639 --> 01:02:18,000
like that. How fucking good these guys had to be

1277
01:02:18,159 --> 01:02:21,000
with stone, and then in one generation somebody comes along

1278
01:02:21,039 --> 01:02:24,519
with metal and all of a sudden, how much do

1279
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:26,719
you know about horseback riding compared to your great grandpa?

1280
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 9: Right?

1281
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: You know a lot, bro that.

1282
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:33,599
Speaker 7: I was just going to say that, that's a good

1283
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:35,599
ass point, bro. And you know it's so crazy that

1284
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:39,039
you say that, because I did a I talked to

1285
01:02:39,079 --> 01:02:42,400
a couple of different people, and you know, the pyramids

1286
01:02:42,519 --> 01:02:46,400
in Egypt aren't the oldest pyramids. There are pyramids in

1287
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:48,679
Peru that are older, right, a lot of people are,

1288
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:50,880
but they're not the same type of pyramids, of course.

1289
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,239
And then you have the mounds in North America that

1290
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,639
predate the pyramids, and of course you had to start

1291
01:02:56,679 --> 01:03:00,960
with mounds, and then you know, pyramid clay, bring stone,

1292
01:03:01,079 --> 01:03:08,039
stuff like that. But you know when you said that Herodotus,

1293
01:03:08,639 --> 01:03:10,480
you know he was he got it from the priests.

1294
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:12,559
You know, I agree with you one hundred percent on that.

1295
01:03:13,480 --> 01:03:17,320
My question is, wonder does the telephone where does the telephone.

1296
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 6: Game really begin? You know what I mean? Like, where

1297
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:22,039
where does that begin at? And how accurate is it?

1298
01:03:22,119 --> 01:03:24,639
Speaker 7: Because you know he might have said twenty thirty years

1299
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,079
or he said thirty years. I'm not going to say twenty.

1300
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:30,280
I actually read thirty from his book. He says thirty years.

1301
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,840
But what did that thirty years equivalent to? You know

1302
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,320
what I'm saying, how did you consider your days at

1303
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:36,760
that time? Because you know we don't.

1304
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:37,119
Speaker 4: We don't.

1305
01:03:37,199 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 6: We didn't consider our days the same that we counted

1306
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:40,400
thirty thousand years.

1307
01:03:40,519 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 9: Say again, mark with the drifting calendars of the time.

1308
01:03:44,599 --> 01:03:48,119
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know what I'm saying, days coming

1309
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,239
up missing something?

1310
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 10: You know, well, you studied the Samerian Kings List quite

1311
01:03:53,920 --> 01:03:56,440
a bit Tyron and that this Samerian Kings List is

1312
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,960
a great example of like that's why they call Heroda

1313
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:04,039
it's the first historian because the Samerian Kings List. You

1314
01:04:04,119 --> 01:04:06,159
go out and you read a king's list of kings

1315
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:11,400
names once every generation plus because it's probably safe to

1316
01:04:11,519 --> 01:04:14,360
assume that the kings are outliving your commoners for the

1317
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,199
most part. So the odds of anybody actually remembering these

1318
01:04:18,239 --> 01:04:20,840
illiterate fucks didn't write it down, so they didn't remember

1319
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,880
the King's list. So the old point of the kings

1320
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:27,039
list isn't to record history, it's to legitimize the cocksucker

1321
01:04:27,079 --> 01:04:29,519
I'm putting on the throne right now. So the whole

1322
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:32,840
point of saying that it took thirty years, that could

1323
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,480
have took three hundred. We're ten times better than the

1324
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,320
history records this as and all it takes is again

1325
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,480
one generation to tell that lie. And we see this

1326
01:04:40,639 --> 01:04:42,599
shit over and over and over all the way upto

1327
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,719
World War Two. There was a Battle of the Marianna

1328
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,239
Turkey Shoot where the Americas just shot the fuck out

1329
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,880
of the Japanese fighters. They'd be down like one hundred

1330
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,400
and fifty some on fighters in one day, just wrecked

1331
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,960
their naval air force, and they were so scared to

1332
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:58,719
report that to their high command. They were like, yeah,

1333
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:01,599
we lost two planes. We lost the next day they

1334
01:05:01,679 --> 01:05:04,039
lost two war they try to triple and drip feed

1335
01:05:04,119 --> 01:05:06,800
these losses in because they were trying. You see it

1336
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,880
with a lot of a lot of battle records. If

1337
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:12,559
you look at the Russians and the Germans takes on things,

1338
01:05:12,679 --> 01:05:15,280
it's like, well it looks like both sides won that battle,

1339
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:16,599
and you kind of just have to go to an

1340
01:05:16,599 --> 01:05:20,239
outside perspective to see people I get, like Mel Gibson

1341
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:22,440
says at the beginning to Brave Heart Man, history is

1342
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:26,679
written by the winners, right, It's how it goes well.

1343
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 9: And I was going to bring up this idea of

1344
01:05:28,760 --> 01:05:31,719
you know, these arts you know that are basically refined

1345
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:34,840
and then lost and then found again. When you get

1346
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,079
into the Masonic texts, they talk about the fact that

1347
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:41,119
at the Tower of Babel that these Kushites, you know,

1348
01:05:41,320 --> 01:05:44,800
these ancient you know Ethiopians that were these builders of

1349
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:49,239
colossal edifices. Essentially at the Tower of Babel, they say

1350
01:05:49,400 --> 01:05:52,519
that the art of masonry was lost and then it

1351
01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:55,519
you know, and then the people were scattered and essentially

1352
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,480
didn't come back again until the building of Solomon's Temple.

1353
01:05:59,079 --> 01:06:02,280
So there's these ideas, you know, and and the same

1354
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:05,400
thing with metallurgy, you know, it goes back what seven

1355
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:09,280
thousand years essentially the first earliest smelting, you know, piles

1356
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,639
we can find. But if you go back into like

1357
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,760
Enoch and all these stories of the fallen ones, they

1358
01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:18,960
were bringing these ideas of you know, advanced physics of

1359
01:06:19,119 --> 01:06:23,159
metal working of all these you know things that you

1360
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:24,239
know were the mysteries.

1361
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:27,960
Speaker 2: Essentially, Matt he was actually listed in the Bible. His

1362
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:31,920
son said specifically that he was gifted the.

1363
01:06:34,679 --> 01:06:45,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's it's uh pretty. It's interesting how fire, metallurgy, agriculture,

1364
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:49,840
these are never handed to us by people. There is

1365
01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,440
no we don't. We don't And it makes you wonder

1366
01:06:52,519 --> 01:06:54,920
how how we're going to look at Einstein in five

1367
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:59,000
thousand years the god came down and split the item

1368
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:05,480
and blew up Japan. It's just weird because humans were

1369
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:08,480
It's one of the things like what we were saying about,

1370
01:07:08,639 --> 01:07:11,840
like when did the when did the bullshit start? In

1371
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:14,440
the Egyptian narrative, And I mean one of the things

1372
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,639
that I would use a lot of historians would too,

1373
01:07:16,719 --> 01:07:19,480
is about the time when the leaders start living more

1374
01:07:19,559 --> 01:07:21,079
than a couple of hundred years. I'm going to go

1375
01:07:21,079 --> 01:07:22,679
out in a limb and say that the story's going

1376
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,000
a little bit off the fucking rails here. We're getting

1377
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:27,800
into legend and myth and by the time that their

1378
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,360
their ages, like with the Assyrian kings list, when they

1379
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:34,639
start lining up with astronomical ages, it's like, clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly,

1380
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:38,480
this is allegorical. This is this is not talking about

1381
01:07:38,519 --> 01:07:41,079
one person's lifespan. That's how I look at it, very

1382
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:44,039
very clearly. This is talking about an age and it's

1383
01:07:44,199 --> 01:07:47,800
so far gone. Again. To reference World War two, go

1384
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,599
to any World War II group on Facebook and watch

1385
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:53,920
the guy's debate which unit patch was worn by which

1386
01:07:54,039 --> 01:07:56,800
unit and which time? And Patten's wife said they had

1387
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,679
to move that patch from their left hand to what

1388
01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:02,559
they was that and the Civil War even worse. And

1389
01:08:02,679 --> 01:08:05,239
that's civil where one hundred and fifty years ago. Man,

1390
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,760
And they're gonna so if they can't, if they can't

1391
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,599
tell me what button that we wrote down on a

1392
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:12,480
card and put it in a fucking file in the

1393
01:08:12,559 --> 01:08:15,000
same country that we live in now, they can't tell

1394
01:08:15,079 --> 01:08:17,239
me what button private so and so wore on his shirt,

1395
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:19,560
But you're gonna tell me what happened in ancient Egypt

1396
01:08:19,600 --> 01:08:24,439
fifteen thousand years ago. Sorry, dude, you don't have any

1397
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:27,920
fucking clue. We have threadbare whispers is all we got.

1398
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,880
We have gossamers of truth in these documents once they

1399
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,359
get so far so, especially when you look at it,

1400
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,279
I think one of the great examples of this is

1401
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,520
looking at the myth of the Flood from the difference

1402
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,439
between Plato and Noah, and with Noah you have the

1403
01:08:46,199 --> 01:08:50,479
gods are angry. The God is angry. It it's supports monotheism.

1404
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:53,439
Don't fuck with God, don't break the rules. If you're

1405
01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:56,720
a good person, you do what God says, you'll be saved,

1406
01:08:57,000 --> 01:09:00,640
follow the one True God. But with the Great Greek version,

1407
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:06,119
they're a warlike people. They're democratic, their noble, they use

1408
01:09:06,199 --> 01:09:09,920
the same precious metals on their temples that the Greeks did.

1409
01:09:10,039 --> 01:09:10,079
Speaker 3: It.

1410
01:09:11,239 --> 01:09:14,840
Speaker 10: These are cultural lenses. Man, that what is great about

1411
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:18,720
Noah is what was great to Moses because he's the

1412
01:09:18,760 --> 01:09:21,520
one who wrote the fucking story, if assuming Moses existed,

1413
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:24,560
And what was great about Atlantis was what was great

1414
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:27,239
to Plato because he's the one that wrote the fucking story.

1415
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:31,640
It's now. I don't think there wasn't some truth to

1416
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:33,680
what he was going with. I think that these guys

1417
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:39,399
were absolutely informed by an outside thing. But they're a storyteller,

1418
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:44,039
right and go look at whose version of Keen Arthur

1419
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:48,119
and the Knights of the Holy Grail would you exells nowadays?

1420
01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,520
Except for the one that's got somewhat of a different take.

1421
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:53,159
The stories evolve over time and a take on the

1422
01:09:53,239 --> 01:09:55,600
cultural lens of the culture that has them. So I

1423
01:09:56,199 --> 01:09:58,600
personally think that's something we yet, I think in one

1424
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:00,840
generation's time. I I don't think if any of you

1425
01:10:00,960 --> 01:10:04,239
know who the cargo cults are. Yeah, it takes one

1426
01:10:04,279 --> 01:10:07,039
generation's time and the history just gets completely fucked.

1427
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:10,239
Speaker 9: So I was going to say, now, when you go

1428
01:10:10,359 --> 01:10:13,159
back to these ancient flood stories, you know, yahweh, the

1429
01:10:13,239 --> 01:10:15,720
storm God was mad, and then you have Jupiter was

1430
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,720
upset with the noisiness of the humans. But I was

1431
01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:20,720
just taking I was down in Newport this weekend and

1432
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,600
I was talking to a sailor and he was talking

1433
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:27,239
about the sea in regard to a storm, and he said,

1434
01:10:27,359 --> 01:10:29,399
you know, the sea was angry.

1435
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 4: So it's these, you know, just these.

1436
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:37,439
Speaker 9: Common little ideas that add weight to, you know, expanding

1437
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,239
mythos of these things. And over time, you know, like

1438
01:10:40,359 --> 01:10:44,600
through the telephone system, you essentially have these these mythos

1439
01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:48,359
that just grow and grow and grow and become you know,

1440
01:10:48,600 --> 01:10:50,199
of godly proportions.

1441
01:10:51,039 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's interesting y'all talking about the flush

1442
01:10:53,680 --> 01:10:54,800
story because I like to.

1443
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:55,439
Speaker 6: Talk about that.

1444
01:10:56,199 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 7: So, when it comes to the flu story, every civilization

1445
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:01,319
on this planet started it by a body of water.

1446
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,600
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, right, it don't matter what you want

1447
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,840
to think. Every civilization started by a body of water. Why,

1448
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,680
because we need body. We need water to survive for

1449
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,199
our body.

1450
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 7: Now, maybe not in that generation timeframe, but in a

1451
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,239
generation after or a generation after.

1452
01:11:18,239 --> 01:11:19,239
Speaker 4: A flood will happen.

1453
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,359
Speaker 6: Well, what do you do when a flood comes? Well,

1454
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:23,920
you leave the area.

1455
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:27,079
Speaker 7: In those times, people paid attention I said it earlier,

1456
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,319
people paid attention to the stars. They needed to know

1457
01:11:29,399 --> 01:11:32,439
when it was time for agricultural needs, raining seasons, so.

1458
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,760
Speaker 6: They might have needed maybe needed to move, and so

1459
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:35,680
on and so forth.

1460
01:11:36,399 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 7: So every civilization has a flood story because they live

1461
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,520
by a body of water that eventually flooded. Now we

1462
01:11:43,760 --> 01:11:48,920
go to twenty twenty five, there are billions of Christians. Well,

1463
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:51,399
guess what story's going to be told the most? The

1464
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:55,760
Christian story right right, A monotheistic religion, just like y'all

1465
01:11:55,840 --> 01:12:00,359
two just talked about. Well, what are other mono theistic religion? Well,

1466
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:03,399
you know that people will have the Islamic faith out there.

1467
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 9: As it's all Judeo based.

1468
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 10: It's all Abrahm. They all believe.

1469
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,119
Speaker 7: So that's what people are when people are on the telephone,

1470
01:12:13,319 --> 01:12:14,960
that's the one they're talking about.

1471
01:12:15,119 --> 01:12:17,880
Speaker 6: But you don't get to the socific until you talk

1472
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:18,479
to people that.

1473
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:19,079
Speaker 4: Are you know.

1474
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:22,199
Speaker 9: But you know, even when you get into the Native

1475
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,119
American tales, you know, you have the various tales of

1476
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:29,479
the treasure, the cursed treasures are under the seas. You know,

1477
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:31,960
from the time of the great flood, you have these

1478
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,760
stories like in Mesa Verde. If you go out and

1479
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:39,039
look at those you know, uh, petroglyphs that are out there,

1480
01:12:39,319 --> 01:12:42,079
they basically talk about, you know, the different tribes and

1481
01:12:42,159 --> 01:12:47,039
clans that are fleeing from this catastrophe. Their stories, what

1482
01:12:47,279 --> 01:12:49,960
was it. There's the one story that they ruled, the

1483
01:12:50,159 --> 01:12:53,880
tribe ruled great over the land and tell a greater

1484
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,479
you know, tribe rose up and took them as slave

1485
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:00,239
and then there was a giant wave that over took

1486
01:13:00,279 --> 01:13:03,760
the land, only leaving fragments of the people. So you know,

1487
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:07,119
even even in these you know, within American culture, within

1488
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:12,119
South American culture, you see these flood stories consistently, you know, throughout.

1489
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,119
Speaker 6: It and it's because they lived by water. That's gonna be.

1490
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:15,600
That's going it's entertainment.

1491
01:13:15,680 --> 01:13:19,199
Speaker 7: They didn't have TV, telephones, tablet, cell phones, computers and

1492
01:13:19,239 --> 01:13:22,039
all these other shit. Everybody had to entertain themselves. I mean, hell,

1493
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,560
anybody that went fishing knows that. When you go fishing

1494
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,760
or hunting, when you're next to your buddy, y'all are

1495
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:28,840
sitting here telling some bullshit stories.

1496
01:13:29,199 --> 01:13:32,560
Speaker 6: You know, your buddy's line about the fire, and everybody

1497
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:33,760
is drawn in.

1498
01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 9: Like ferroneous, bringing everybody, centralizing them telling stories, and these stories,

1499
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,560
especially when you're relating that to you know, these these

1500
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:48,439
hinges and and getting into the cosmological turnings, that becomes

1501
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,600
the story behind all the stories.

1502
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:52,159
Speaker 10: Essentially.

1503
01:13:53,039 --> 01:13:55,439
Speaker 7: Now, now think about it when somebody else says, hey,

1504
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,840
I had that happen to me.

1505
01:13:57,039 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 6: So now two myths come into one because you're telling.

1506
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,279
Speaker 7: What your buddy, what happened to your buddy, and now

1507
01:14:03,279 --> 01:14:05,439
you're saying, hey, I had the same exact thing, and

1508
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:06,439
this is what happened to me.

1509
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 6: And now you told that story. Now the person that's listening.

1510
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,159
Speaker 7: In to it, they might want to be lazy and

1511
01:14:11,279 --> 01:14:13,319
just be like, this is what this what this one

1512
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:17,359
person went and got that there were two individuals involved.

1513
01:14:17,359 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 9: Well, and then that would develop into essentially the priesthood

1514
01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,560
that would be in charge of telling the stories that

1515
01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:25,920
were the authorized storytellers.

1516
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 6: Because they were like, wait a minute, I know just

1517
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:33,640
training you know, yeah, yeah, you're right, bro, you absolutely right.

1518
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:36,279
Speaker 7: Because that person was like, yo, I remember him saying that,

1519
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:38,000
and I remember this guy say that.

1520
01:14:38,079 --> 01:14:40,600
Speaker 6: But they're saying this one story. No, hell does two stories.

1521
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:42,199
Y'all need to get this ship together. We need to

1522
01:14:42,239 --> 01:14:44,199
write this ship down, and that's how writing.

1523
01:14:46,319 --> 01:14:46,479
Speaker 10: See.

1524
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 2: I think I think Graham's standpoint on that flood narrative,

1525
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:53,039
if you have so many similar stories across the world,

1526
01:14:53,159 --> 01:14:55,800
across the continent, there has to be something to it.

1527
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:57,800
There's a grain of treat there. And I think they're

1528
01:14:58,199 --> 01:15:02,119
looking back to this what scientists called the Younger Dryest period.

1529
01:15:03,039 --> 01:15:03,159
Speaker 10: Uh.

1530
01:15:03,359 --> 01:15:05,359
Speaker 2: If you guys are into that kind of flood stuff.

1531
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:09,399
And there's a guy his name was doctor Walt Brown.

1532
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:12,119
He actually worked for NASA and he wrote a book

1533
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:14,880
called In the Beginning that is one of the best

1534
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,279
pieces of literature that I've ever read on the Younger

1535
01:15:19,359 --> 01:15:23,680
dryas a beent to what he believed happened, uh, which

1536
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,800
it's a long winded thing ausparians. But if that stuff

1537
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:28,880
interests you, definitely check that out.

1538
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes sense, and just think about it.

1539
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,199
Speaker 7: That's why I said too, instead of it being one

1540
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:39,560
whole flood story, right, it's multiple people, different perspectives. It's

1541
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:41,840
not every animal was saved on one boat. It was

1542
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:45,800
every animal that was important to humanity saved on multiple arts.

1543
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,520
Speaker 10: Well, right, but now now there's get in.

1544
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,319
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you get into the Persian stories, they actually

1545
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:54,239
talk about the var, which is where the word art

1546
01:15:54,359 --> 01:15:57,560
comes from. And the var was actually underground, and they

1547
01:15:57,640 --> 01:16:00,359
talk about how many writing links it was, and they

1548
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:04,199
basically brought all of the miscellaneous plants and you know,

1549
01:16:04,399 --> 01:16:09,079
animals into this cave underground because of the evading frost.

1550
01:16:09,960 --> 01:16:13,720
And essentially so this is pre ice age, you know,

1551
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:19,000
mythology versus the arc literature, which is you know, basically

1552
01:16:19,159 --> 01:16:22,479
the flood at when all the ice melted. You know,

1553
01:16:22,840 --> 01:16:25,359
it's it's interesting the dichotomy of these stories.

1554
01:16:27,119 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 6: They actually have a place like that right now.

1555
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Yeah, I have actually a bunch of questions.

1556
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:34,640
I would like to still get it. Yeah, I need

1557
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,359
to eventually before we run out of time. Sorry, I

1558
01:16:37,399 --> 01:16:39,880
would just be keeping it real, Dan, I hate to

1559
01:16:39,920 --> 01:16:41,079
go back to it, but I would like to go

1560
01:16:41,119 --> 01:16:42,920
back to the oritual stuff. I know it's been about

1561
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,600
twenty minutes now, but because you're somebody who's been there

1562
01:16:47,680 --> 01:16:49,319
and seeing this stuff, I would like to take advantage

1563
01:16:49,319 --> 01:16:52,600
of that. When it comes to these places that you

1564
01:16:52,680 --> 01:16:56,439
think of rituals, did you ever notice they have nothing

1565
01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:58,920
inscribed in them? Or they have actual symbols in these

1566
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:02,319
areas as well? Oh and this is like one of

1567
01:17:02,439 --> 01:17:04,000
like three questions, So please everybody, just.

1568
01:17:04,279 --> 01:17:07,479
Speaker 10: Well, I'm you know, I some some areas seem to

1569
01:17:07,560 --> 01:17:10,920
have some symbols. I mean usually how do you put

1570
01:17:10,960 --> 01:17:12,600
it there? There are areas that I would think that

1571
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:16,000
are like I said, I think the rituals were done

1572
01:17:16,039 --> 01:17:18,720
in the Pyramids, and those are definitely devoid a symbols.

1573
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:20,239
But yeah, a lot of places have a lot of

1574
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:23,960
symbols slapped on them. It just depends on the culture

1575
01:17:24,039 --> 01:17:26,079
that was doing it. You know, to some less was more,

1576
01:17:26,119 --> 01:17:26,560
it seems.

1577
01:17:27,319 --> 01:17:30,159
Speaker 4: Did you ever notice like maybe a certain type like

1578
01:17:30,239 --> 01:17:34,800
maybe spirals or certain it almost seemed very reminiscent the spiral.

1579
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:38,439
Speaker 10: The spiral motif is pretty common. Yeah, that spirals that spiral,

1580
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:43,840
the cross, the spiral cross, the circle, and the circles

1581
01:17:43,920 --> 01:17:45,800
not too complicated, but yeah, those ones. I mean, the

1582
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,279
cross is a pretty normal one too. All of those

1583
01:17:48,319 --> 01:17:51,560
are ones you're going to see in nature. And I

1584
01:17:51,600 --> 01:17:53,880
think the spirals one that somebody that like looked at

1585
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:58,079
water would probably be pretty into, especially if they started

1586
01:17:58,119 --> 01:17:59,840
feeling like they were seeing that sort of pattern in

1587
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:01,439
the stars at all or something that they felt like

1588
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:02,960
they could extrapolate that to anything.

1589
01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a little specific, though, I just to

1590
01:18:07,479 --> 01:18:08,920
keep on going on with the same one. Would you

1591
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:12,319
notice these like maybe prior to entering the ritual area

1592
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:13,359
or it's in the ritual area.

1593
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,680
Speaker 10: It depends very much like I'm trying to get at right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1594
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:21,880
like you know in some in some places, like it

1595
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:25,399
seems like there's some areas where it seems like they

1596
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:28,520
try to just slap you in the face with symbolism,

1597
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,279
if you get it. There are certain towns here on

1598
01:18:31,399 --> 01:18:34,399
the West Coast where I live where there are planned cities,

1599
01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:37,439
and some of them are pretty I mean, I get

1600
01:18:37,479 --> 01:18:39,359
pretty skeptical about this stuff, but some of them pretty

1601
01:18:39,359 --> 01:18:42,760
clearly influenced by people that were in the freemasonry. And shit, right,

1602
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,359
I mean when they build the city streets certain ways

1603
01:18:45,399 --> 01:18:48,600
and whatnot. It's like, Okay, again, I'm pretty skeptical a

1604
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:50,359
lot of this stuff, but I don't have to believe

1605
01:18:50,399 --> 01:18:54,119
adrenochrome works to believe that some people do and they

1606
01:18:54,159 --> 01:18:56,640
can do some goofy shit in the name of adrino chrome.

1607
01:18:56,760 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 6: Right.

1608
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,760
Speaker 10: So so this is this is where like there are

1609
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,439
a lot of there are a lot of things where

1610
01:19:03,439 --> 01:19:05,399
they just kind of seem to just try to browbeat

1611
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,279
you with symbolism just as soon as you get it.

1612
01:19:08,319 --> 01:19:10,039
But then again, I mean there's times where I could

1613
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:13,000
just not be getting the symbolism, so I'm missing it, right.

1614
01:19:13,279 --> 01:19:15,840
I'd like to think that I know everything, but as

1615
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,319
my teenager constantly reminds you of a fucking idiot.

1616
01:19:18,399 --> 01:19:21,079
Speaker 6: So that.

1617
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:25,399
Speaker 4: The reason I'm asking is because I know there are

1618
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,680
some places where it does seem like that some of

1619
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:31,560
these symbols might actually be representing a frequency that needs

1620
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:34,119
to be used with the room. You know, because you

1621
01:19:34,319 --> 01:19:35,960
have the frequency of the earth, you have the frequency

1622
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,720
of the building, and then like whatever you're trying to equal,

1623
01:19:37,760 --> 01:19:40,199
you can high have the mate to bring them both together,

1624
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:42,760
like maybe with like whatever music and stuff going on

1625
01:19:42,960 --> 01:19:47,039
side of the room, which, if it's possible, leads me

1626
01:19:47,159 --> 01:19:51,800
into like my next question, and kind of do you think,

1627
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,800
like you're talking about these these containers in the pyramids,

1628
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:57,960
do you think it's possible actually really wasn't technically meant

1629
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:58,880
for dead people at first?

1630
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 10: Oh, I think that's possible, but I don't, Like, I

1631
01:20:04,119 --> 01:20:06,760
have some serious problems with a lot of the hypotheses

1632
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:08,920
that surrounded Like to start with, like, I worked as

1633
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:10,960
electrician for a long time and there's most of these,

1634
01:20:11,119 --> 01:20:14,520
Like we're talking about the chemical power plant hypothesis earlier.

1635
01:20:15,119 --> 01:20:17,680
Jeffrey dum from Land of Kent has made a bunch

1636
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of videos about that.

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01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 6: And.

1638
01:20:21,479 --> 01:20:22,800
Speaker 10: I like a lot of what he has to say.

1639
01:20:22,840 --> 01:20:26,199
These aren't outlandish in and of themselves, but we do

1640
01:20:26,319 --> 01:20:29,520
have some problems. Like the piezoelectric effect that they talk

1641
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:33,159
about quite frequently, that is it's real. I mean, you

1642
01:20:33,239 --> 01:20:36,760
operate the quartz watch. It operates a charcoal igniter. That's

1643
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:39,560
where your spark comes from on those little charcoal wands

1644
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:44,560
that you use to light year. But there's very specific

1645
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:46,840
things that have to be done. The crystal has to

1646
01:20:46,920 --> 01:20:49,640
be sandwiched between pieces of metal. You have to separate

1647
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,520
that current into a positive and a negative. It's so

1648
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:58,159
that it's usable, otherwise it dissipates immediately. The pyramid is

1649
01:20:58,199 --> 01:21:00,479
made of limestone the same as the bed rock, so

1650
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,199
there really isn't a functional difference between the pyramid and

1651
01:21:04,279 --> 01:21:06,520
the ground. So that's going to make your electricity just

1652
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:09,159
kind of it's going to want to seep away as

1653
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:13,079
soon as you generate it. If to take an entire

1654
01:21:13,239 --> 01:21:17,359
block that's got little pieces of limestone suspended in the matrix,

1655
01:21:17,399 --> 01:21:20,119
and then to harness all the electricity when that block

1656
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:23,279
was pressed down on, for example, you would have to

1657
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:28,000
have all of the quartz crystals would have to be

1658
01:21:28,159 --> 01:21:32,000
magnetically aligned, which that's not happening in two ton blocks men,

1659
01:21:32,079 --> 01:21:34,359
unless you're talking lottery winners one after the I mean

1660
01:21:34,600 --> 01:21:36,800
billion to one odds over and over and over for

1661
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:39,760
each one of those blocks. And then you'd have to

1662
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:42,159
sandwich it between metal. Like I was saying earlier, you'd

1663
01:21:42,159 --> 01:21:43,880
have to piece of metal on top and bottom of

1664
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:49,960
each brick. So them harnessing electricity on the pyramid is

1665
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:52,000
something that if I was handed that and told to

1666
01:21:52,079 --> 01:21:53,640
install it, I'd be like, I don't know how the fuck,

1667
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,399
is it gonna work? Is not gonna happen? What part

1668
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:59,720
am I missing here? What am I not included with this?

1669
01:22:00,359 --> 01:22:02,359
I don't see the pizo electric thing. I think that

1670
01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:08,159
one is non It's a non starter. So that limits

1671
01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:11,720
a lot of the technological things that I've heard come

1672
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:14,359
out of the pyramid. Almost all of the ones that

1673
01:22:14,439 --> 01:22:17,159
get into goofy technology at all tend to lean on that,

1674
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,680
the pizo electric qualities of quartz. And yeah, the only one,

1675
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,560
like the two little pieces of copper that we have

1676
01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:25,399
in the door, and people are like, oh, you know,

1677
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:29,359
that could have carried electricity. It's like that voltage drop

1678
01:22:29,760 --> 01:22:33,000
is a thing, and it's it's calculable, and you lose

1679
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:36,399
electricity based on how far you go. The only way

1680
01:22:36,479 --> 01:22:39,359
to counter that is with bigger pieces of wire. So

1681
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,760
if you drive from a dam to the next city

1682
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:43,800
and it's like one hundred mile jaunt, you'll notice the

1683
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,600
power cables above you're that fucking bigger round. And that's

1684
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,159
not to attract tweakers. That's to keep the electricity flying

1685
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:52,880
down the road. So in the pyramid, when you got

1686
01:22:52,920 --> 01:22:54,880
these little pieces of wire that are about you know,

1687
01:22:55,880 --> 01:22:58,640
millions of you know, eighth of an inch thick, they

1688
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:01,239
ain't carrying very much, especially in the seven hundred and

1689
01:23:01,279 --> 01:23:06,039
fifty foot run. So yeah, my technical knowledge makes it

1690
01:23:06,119 --> 01:23:08,359
where that there's certain parts of that that I am

1691
01:23:08,399 --> 01:23:13,640
skeptical of. Now, I am all about like anything that

1692
01:23:13,720 --> 01:23:16,199
can be demonstrated or or again, like I said, I

1693
01:23:17,079 --> 01:23:19,439
don't want to be cynical. I want to be skeptical

1694
01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,279
about things. So I'm if somebody talks to me about

1695
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:24,119
things and shows me where I'm wrong on some of this,

1696
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:28,000
I'm perfectly happy to discuss it. But by and large,

1697
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,960
as fast as that electricity is generated from the pies

1698
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:32,880
of electric effect, that it's going to pour into the ground.

1699
01:23:35,159 --> 01:23:37,199
So like we see those Oh sorry, go ahead.

1700
01:23:37,159 --> 01:23:40,079
Speaker 4: No, No, I just have like kind of like one

1701
01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:41,920
last question and it's kind of be like long and

1702
01:23:42,119 --> 01:23:45,800
drawn out one of the reasons. And I'm not trying

1703
01:23:45,800 --> 01:23:49,800
to like sail this brag. It's just my experience where

1704
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,119
I go along with this story. Now, like certain things

1705
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:55,640
with you know, you hear about these tombs, if you

1706
01:23:55,680 --> 01:23:57,239
think about the top being on it, you can't even

1707
01:23:57,239 --> 01:23:59,279
get the fuck out if you're in there. Probably, Yeah,

1708
01:24:00,039 --> 01:24:04,159
thing you hear about people going in caskets when I

1709
01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:06,159
used to do I used to be a ceremonial still

1710
01:24:06,199 --> 01:24:08,239
am a magician. I just haven't really done any rituals,

1711
01:24:08,279 --> 01:24:09,960
but I used to be a ceremonial magician. I used

1712
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:12,399
to be a member of the Auto Temple Orientis and

1713
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,560
I used to do ceremonial You know, shit a lot,

1714
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,720
and I'll keep it real. I used to use the

1715
01:24:17,800 --> 01:24:20,640
astromargentum hood and robe when I did it. Now that

1716
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:25,079
has no mouthpiece at all. It is just oys. So now,

1717
01:24:25,119 --> 01:24:28,159
if you're fumigating and you got all this smoke going on,

1718
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,159
and you're supposed to be vibrating these words real hard

1719
01:24:31,279 --> 01:24:36,600
to exhaustion, you're gonna start having oxygen deprivation and you're

1720
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:40,680
gonna start having fucking weird experiences. So could that be?

1721
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,399
And what I'm getting at is, now, could that be

1722
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:45,520
what's being used in it? It's kind of a double question.

1723
01:24:46,079 --> 01:24:48,840
And the people who are deeming these areas as rituals,

1724
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:51,239
have they actually been in one, participated in one, or

1725
01:24:51,279 --> 01:24:52,960
written one themselves to know what a ritual is? What

1726
01:24:53,039 --> 01:24:53,640
the fuck's going on?

1727
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 10: I think some of them have. There is a like

1728
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,640
you can rent the Great Dad, have seances in and

1729
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:05,119
shit like you and numerous people have done that over

1730
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:08,119
the years. So and I'm you know, you're gonna have

1731
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:11,439
varying degrees of experience and expertise and all that stuff.

1732
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:19,600
But as far as people like like these different rituals

1733
01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:22,399
affecting your mind in a certain way, I mean, that's

1734
01:25:22,439 --> 01:25:26,920
almost almost guaranteed to be part of it, right, Like

1735
01:25:27,159 --> 01:25:31,760
you're talking about you're talking about basically you're getting out

1736
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:33,920
of the out of the realm of scientific inquiry and

1737
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,279
into the realm of personal experience. And there's nothing wrong

1738
01:25:36,319 --> 01:25:37,800
with that. As a matter of fact, it's one of

1739
01:25:37,880 --> 01:25:39,600
my favorite things. I babble about this all the time.

1740
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:41,520
It's one of my favorite things about the book or

1741
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,000
the movie Contact, is that if for those of you

1742
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:46,399
who've seen it, I assume most of you've seen it Contact,

1743
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:48,720
the one where Jodie Foster falls through the little ball

1744
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:51,239
and talks to her dad, that's actually an alien thing, right,

1745
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:55,640
all the scientific skepticism in the world. She's a scientist,

1746
01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,600
she's dealing with scientists. Carl Sagan was a scientist and atheist.

1747
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:02,600
And when it's all said and done, you had a

1748
01:26:02,680 --> 01:26:05,640
personal experience, take it or leave it, right, but you

1749
01:26:05,720 --> 01:26:07,239
got this is what happened to me. You want you

1750
01:26:07,279 --> 01:26:08,680
don't believe me, go crawl on the ball and fall

1751
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,000
through it your goddamn self. But that's uh, that's how

1752
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:16,399
to me. That's it's a huge part of it, right, Like,

1753
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,359
in order to have any like scientific discussion, you kind

1754
01:26:19,399 --> 01:26:21,680
of have to start from a perceptive, from a from

1755
01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,560
a place's you have to make some assumptions, like I

1756
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:26,439
have to assume that we both exist. You're not a

1757
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:29,039
figment of my imagination, You're not my dream, and this

1758
01:26:29,159 --> 01:26:32,680
isn't all just my reality is and you're nothing. We

1759
01:26:32,760 --> 01:26:35,439
have to assume that reality exists. We have to assume that,

1760
01:26:35,560 --> 01:26:37,720
like we can learn from reality that if I throw this,

1761
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:39,800
it's not just going to keep flying one time and

1762
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,560
fall the next. And I think there's there's patterns. And

1763
01:26:43,359 --> 01:26:46,199
if we make these assumptions, we can have a conversation

1764
01:26:46,359 --> 01:26:49,039
about reality, about science and stuff. But if we don't,

1765
01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,560
then one of us can sit here and be like, well, yeah, man,

1766
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,880
but you're just a figment of my imagination anyway, Well

1767
01:26:53,920 --> 01:26:57,680
yeah man. And those kinds of ritual things where you

1768
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:02,159
where you alter your native consciousness. This does get into

1769
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:06,600
things that are I forget a dude's name, but who

1770
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:11,000
the geneticists that said that LSD helped him crack DNA. Right,

1771
01:27:13,319 --> 01:27:18,520
thank you. This isn't you know, this isn't without precedent,

1772
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:20,960
you know, the human those spirals that you're talking about

1773
01:27:21,000 --> 01:27:23,600
and stuff earlier, those are almost certainly some of these

1774
01:27:23,640 --> 01:27:25,800
symbols that we see all over the place, almost certainly

1775
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:30,159
part of magic mushrooms or you know, peyote or whatever

1776
01:27:30,279 --> 01:27:33,000
the hallucinogen of choice was amongst those people. You definitely

1777
01:27:33,079 --> 01:27:37,279
see it in South American Native American art, they definitely

1778
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:41,079
definitely see it, those zigzaggy lightning bolt patterns that for

1779
01:27:41,199 --> 01:27:43,239
those of you who have eaten mushrooms, which I totally

1780
01:27:43,319 --> 01:27:45,880
never have, but you may or may not see those

1781
01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:49,279
kinds of things. So you know, there's certain certain stuff

1782
01:27:49,319 --> 01:27:52,640
you can recognize. And it's almost it's a funny thing

1783
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:54,600
to me actually, where so many people will be like, oh,

1784
01:27:54,680 --> 01:27:58,479
Graham does hallucinogens, and therefore his his opinion on these

1785
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,439
things is just all tainted by all the goofiness. It's like, Okay,

1786
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:04,359
let me ask you a question. You think that the

1787
01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:06,560
guy that was in charge of the people and told

1788
01:28:06,640 --> 01:28:08,520
him to build that pyramid. You think that fucker never

1789
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,439
did no hallucinogens. He was a fucking royalty at a

1790
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:15,039
time when that ship was Like, who do you think

1791
01:28:15,079 --> 01:28:17,760
commission him to figure out the fucking formula for ayahuasca?

1792
01:28:17,800 --> 01:28:19,840
You dumb shit? You think it was some poor person,

1793
01:28:20,359 --> 01:28:26,119
some tweaker. No, it was royalty man, people that were elites.

1794
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:29,520
So it's I think it's a good lens to look

1795
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:32,199
through a lot of that stuff is hallucinage. A lot

1796
01:28:32,239 --> 01:28:35,800
of things I don't think we'll understand properly without altering

1797
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,359
our state of consciousness.

1798
01:28:37,520 --> 01:28:40,279
Speaker 4: Right, I think that helps. Uh, it's kind of like

1799
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:42,439
a little bit of like a cheat code to magical

1800
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:46,119
experience in my opinion. Well, yeah, feel like some people

1801
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:48,600
take mushrooms and you can go to the extreme like

1802
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:50,279
Flatliners in the movie.

1803
01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:56,079
Speaker 10: You know, if you read Carlos Costanada, Oh yeah, Okay,

1804
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,399
one of the experiences that he spoke of that I

1805
01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,840
thought was really cool was there he'd been dosed dozens

1806
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:06,279
and dozens of times, he had his reality just kicked

1807
01:29:06,319 --> 01:29:10,359
in multiple times, and his shaman sets him sitting looking

1808
01:29:10,840 --> 01:29:14,079
like meditating and looking across a field at a tree,

1809
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:17,439
and he sees a white dot behind the tree, and

1810
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,479
then the white dot begins to grow and it does

1811
01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:21,840
all this goofy shit, and it just fills his mind

1812
01:29:21,880 --> 01:29:25,399
and he sees all these visions and he's sober. He's

1813
01:29:25,439 --> 01:29:30,560
not on mushrooms at the time. And then his shaman

1814
01:29:30,680 --> 01:29:33,359
ship goes over and walks over to the tree and

1815
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,279
the root, the seed of that white thing that he

1816
01:29:36,359 --> 01:29:38,399
saw was a little towel that the shaman had tied

1817
01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,319
to the tree. He didn't hallucinate any The shaman had

1818
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:45,800
planted a seat, and you know, things like that are

1819
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,840
you know, on the flip side of that, I talked

1820
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,560
about experience. I had a lot where I saw something

1821
01:29:51,640 --> 01:29:54,039
that it wasn't real. Saw I got out of the

1822
01:29:54,079 --> 01:29:56,960
tub when I was young, and the window I saw

1823
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,560
a guy in like a hazmat suit like staring at

1824
01:29:59,680 --> 01:30:01,399
the wind window and he was angry and he's looking

1825
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:03,680
right at me. He looked mad, and I was like

1826
01:30:03,760 --> 01:30:06,119
freaking the fuck out. And then like I did this

1827
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:08,760
instead of turning to run, And when I shifted the

1828
01:30:09,039 --> 01:30:11,760
it was light and fog on the window in my imagination,

1829
01:30:12,479 --> 01:30:14,199
and that made it. That's a lot of the reason

1830
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,000
I'm as skeptical as I am because I know that

1831
01:30:16,119 --> 01:30:18,479
what I saw wasn't real. But had I ran out

1832
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:20,720
of that room, you still couldn't convince me to this

1833
01:30:20,880 --> 01:30:24,800
day that I hadn't seen it. So and this is

1834
01:30:25,079 --> 01:30:28,119
you know, you get what's where why I brought up

1835
01:30:28,199 --> 01:30:30,680
like these positions we have to take because you get

1836
01:30:31,720 --> 01:30:34,520
it gets philosophical, it gets outside of the realm of science.

1837
01:30:34,680 --> 01:30:38,399
Like Laotsea famously said, last night, I dreamt that I

1838
01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:41,960
was a butterfly or was that a butterfly dreaming? He

1839
01:30:42,079 --> 01:30:45,439
was loudsay right now, it's it's you know, we really

1840
01:30:45,880 --> 01:30:48,960
these things. We really get into the reason that people

1841
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:51,840
ask questions about God and you know, eternity and all

1842
01:30:51,880 --> 01:30:55,359
these kinds of things, because you know, we have these

1843
01:30:55,479 --> 01:31:02,279
ideas that our experience doesn't coincide with. We believe in perfection,

1844
01:31:02,399 --> 01:31:05,439
we believe in infinity, We understand these things, but our

1845
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:08,199
experience is in no way, shape or form back that up.

1846
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:11,479
This is just complete that's making it up.

1847
01:31:11,960 --> 01:31:15,079
Speaker 9: Right well and interesting. With brain science, I saw an

1848
01:31:15,159 --> 01:31:17,520
article on the fact that they could go in and

1849
01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:21,720
monitor how the vision perceives an item and then how

1850
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,479
the brain recalls what it is, and it'll basically shift

1851
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,560
through different you know, images until it hits the right

1852
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:32,560
one and then you have the realization. So during the

1853
01:31:32,640 --> 01:31:36,680
time that it's shifting through those things, the potential of

1854
01:31:37,359 --> 01:31:40,399
you know, uh, seeing anything is there. Yeah, you know,

1855
01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:42,880
so if you put your state users yourself into this

1856
01:31:43,039 --> 01:31:48,359
liminal state, then it's all, you know, platonic subjective reality.

1857
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:53,159
Speaker 10: That's very, very true. And a lot of people will

1858
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,479
say that that's you know, just a bunch of pseudoscientific

1859
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,800
hippiass wu. But in my opinion, like psychology is the

1860
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,199
fundamental Yeah, I say it all the time. It's a

1861
01:32:01,239 --> 01:32:04,600
soft science, soft as fuck because it's self reported data,

1862
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:07,760
so you get like, you know, Epstein's clients didn't say

1863
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,119
that they had these weird fetishes when they were talking

1864
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:13,479
to their psychiatrists. Right. The people less self report tend

1865
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:17,479
to fucking lie. But but if you don't look through

1866
01:32:17,560 --> 01:32:19,720
all of this stuff through the lens of psychology, you're

1867
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:23,119
gonna fall into so many pitfalls. You know. One of

1868
01:32:23,199 --> 01:32:25,199
the best thought tools I use for this is just

1869
01:32:25,279 --> 01:32:27,520
to look at the electromagnetic spectrum and then look at

1870
01:32:27,560 --> 01:32:30,319
that tiny little sliver that you can actually sus We

1871
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,600
have to build tools to go and see everything else.

1872
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:37,119
That's what we're a little fucking we're little monkeys with

1873
01:32:37,199 --> 01:32:41,359
these crazy ideas of lofty, lofty ideas. Oh, we could

1874
01:32:41,399 --> 01:32:43,600
be perfect, we could never sin, and we could make

1875
01:32:43,640 --> 01:32:46,159
this world where nobody ever suffered in all this. And

1876
01:32:46,279 --> 01:32:48,520
then yeah, but when I get off here, I'm gonna

1877
01:32:48,520 --> 01:32:50,560
go eat something that was a live. Fuck that thing.

1878
01:32:50,640 --> 01:32:52,800
It's dead now. It's probably like one hundred things ground together.

1879
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,680
And then maybe I'll go fuck something after I take

1880
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,319
a dump. So we're just so fucked, We're just we're

1881
01:32:57,399 --> 01:32:59,560
just animals. We're fucking animals.

1882
01:32:59,640 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 4: Man.

1883
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:05,199
Speaker 8: I wanted to bring up an example of the anthropomorphic

1884
01:33:05,920 --> 01:33:10,399
tummy holding you mentioned earlier. In terms of a modern

1885
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:16,119
iteration of monkeys, the wise monkeys are usually known as

1886
01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:21,000
the three wise monkeys. Hear no evil, Speak no evil,

1887
01:33:21,319 --> 01:33:25,560
see no evil, excuse me the three There is the

1888
01:33:25,760 --> 01:33:30,279
missing forth, the often unpresented fourth monkey, who is called

1889
01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:31,479
fear no evil.

1890
01:33:32,119 --> 01:33:37,039
Speaker 13: And this monkey holds his dantienne or center in Chinese,

1891
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:41,239
below the belly button where our energy is stored and

1892
01:33:41,319 --> 01:33:47,159
amidst from in Daoist conceptuality. But he's holding the center

1893
01:33:47,520 --> 01:33:52,319
and being fearless and unmoved compared to the other monkeys

1894
01:33:52,359 --> 01:33:55,800
that are partial minded and so forth. I wonder what

1895
01:33:55,960 --> 01:33:58,039
you think of that, and maybe if you could break

1896
01:33:58,079 --> 01:34:01,239
down some more of that global embolism of the tummy

1897
01:34:01,319 --> 01:34:02,600
holding nice.

1898
01:34:02,960 --> 01:34:06,279
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, the well, first of all, I love Daoism,

1899
01:34:07,159 --> 01:34:09,039
and uh I I do. I think it's a great

1900
01:34:09,079 --> 01:34:12,600
example of uh. The the Dowadays Sing is a book

1901
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:15,760
of basic proverbs and truth, and then it quickly gets

1902
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,079
into the weeds with with further books, but some of

1903
01:34:19,159 --> 01:34:22,640
them still they still contain secret like uh little a

1904
01:34:22,680 --> 01:34:24,960
lot of times, a little glimpses of truth, but like

1905
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:28,039
probably the most advanced Dallas text I've read was The

1906
01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:29,960
Secret of the Golden Flower. And by the time you

1907
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:32,439
get there, you are definitely into the weeds. As far

1908
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:36,199
as you're you are no longer one with water. I

1909
01:34:36,279 --> 01:34:40,960
We'll just put it that way. You've strayed a long

1910
01:34:41,039 --> 01:34:43,960
ways from just trying to not do anything and not

1911
01:34:44,119 --> 01:34:46,840
be anything, and not fight with yourself and not strive you.

1912
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:48,880
You've come a long way from the Talita Shing at

1913
01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:53,720
this point. But it is uh, it is interesting that

1914
01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:56,439
that that they do believe that the seat of the

1915
01:34:56,560 --> 01:34:59,680
chakra stuff aligns a lot with this The Cundolini and

1916
01:34:59,680 --> 01:35:02,760
all that aligns well with the idea of the holding

1917
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,760
to the navel. Now that the navel stuff pops up

1918
01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:13,119
again with metallurgy and or agriculture almost everywhere you see it.

1919
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:16,199
It's almost like it was this knowledge that this packet

1920
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:19,000
that was passed around, and it was like the people

1921
01:35:19,039 --> 01:35:22,439
would learn how to farm, they would learn how to smelt,

1922
01:35:22,840 --> 01:35:25,439
and at the same time they would start making. This

1923
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:27,880
motif was one of the motifs that would prop up,

1924
01:35:29,119 --> 01:35:33,520
and honestly, it seems pretty basic to me what it represents.

1925
01:35:35,319 --> 01:35:40,039
You know, if but again we're running animals, right, But

1926
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,359
if I've got so much food that I don't need

1927
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,439
to be a running animal, I can put my hand

1928
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,680
on my stomach and just to symbolize that I'm full.

1929
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,520
And that even goes to what the ones in the

1930
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:52,800
task teple our culture. A lot of times they're literally

1931
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,159
holding their dick in their hand. And if you've got

1932
01:35:56,840 --> 01:35:59,439
no TV and nothing to do all day because you

1933
01:35:59,560 --> 01:36:02,239
have a surp plus of food, what will you be doing. So,

1934
01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,000
as you know, these ancient people, they fucked a lot,

1935
01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,640
and so that these were symbols of these things. I

1936
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:10,079
personally think that that was like part of the symbol.

1937
01:36:10,159 --> 01:36:12,840
It was. It was braggered, Look I've got time, we

1938
01:36:13,279 --> 01:36:16,640
make better tools, we store more food, and to prove it. Look,

1939
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,680
and then you look at the statues of women. They

1940
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,600
made it the same kind of thing. Look, our women

1941
01:36:21,680 --> 01:36:23,800
are so fucking fat, they can't even get off the chair.

1942
01:36:24,119 --> 01:36:28,199
They're fed. It's they had some very weird ideas that

1943
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:33,079
would show up in this initial run of agriculture.

1944
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,359
Speaker 9: And you see it woven all through the mythology as well.

1945
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,560
Speaker 10: You do you do this? You see that same fat

1946
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:41,039
woman with animal on both sides. A lot of the

1947
01:36:41,119 --> 01:36:43,279
Master of beests are overweight women.

1948
01:36:43,640 --> 01:36:47,119
Speaker 9: And the two lions. Yeah, yeah, and that's.

1949
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,840
Speaker 10: Very that that Master of beets symbol is in my mind,

1950
01:36:50,279 --> 01:36:52,279
part of that same whole thing where it's like we

1951
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:56,520
these these things used to chase us. Now we cage

1952
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:00,720
them and trade them. Right, fucking I'm to just go yeah,

1953
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:03,760
but it's we are our whole other level now. And

1954
01:37:04,199 --> 01:37:08,039
so that that's shown with a obese woman is like

1955
01:37:08,279 --> 01:37:11,439
everything a prehistoric dude would want. Here. Here's here's a

1956
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:16,119
naked chick. She's got plenty of food, and she's mastered animals.

1957
01:37:16,199 --> 01:37:19,359
It's like ready to reproduce to Yeah, oh yeah, clearly

1958
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:25,359
if she hasn't already right right, yeah, it's it is funny.

1959
01:37:25,439 --> 01:37:28,359
One of the theories, one of the hypotheses I should

1960
01:37:28,399 --> 01:37:32,199
say that the anthropologists have for those Venus statues is

1961
01:37:32,319 --> 01:37:36,520
that they were like prehistoric porn, like some some kid

1962
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,800
takes a little statue behind the tree. I God, damn it, dude,

1963
01:37:42,800 --> 01:37:44,800
Like could you you could just hang out like by

1964
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:46,920
the tenth the chicks were standing by her, someone look

1965
01:37:46,920 --> 01:37:48,520
at every now and again, and I got to spend

1966
01:37:48,520 --> 01:37:51,640
like two hundred hours. I personally never bought that hypothesis,

1967
01:37:51,680 --> 01:37:53,239
but I've always mocked it because it's funny.

1968
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:57,520
Speaker 4: I don't I don't get that either. I've even pointed

1969
01:37:57,520 --> 01:37:59,600
out Internet to go on when I just do think

1970
01:37:59,640 --> 01:38:02,760
it might be something behind it, because you mentioned venuses

1971
01:38:02,760 --> 01:38:04,359
a lot of times, like she'll be shown just like

1972
01:38:04,439 --> 01:38:07,960
one breast showing. I do. I'm trying to show a

1973
01:38:08,079 --> 01:38:11,239
case with just my idea of the Knox formula from Crowley.

1974
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:13,079
I think a lot of it has to do with

1975
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:16,000
the optic nerve and crossing, you know, certain shit like that,

1976
01:38:16,279 --> 01:38:19,279
and in a you know, part of his ritual, he

1977
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:22,640
does have you act like your isis breastfeeding. You know,

1978
01:38:22,760 --> 01:38:26,520
nipple will be exposed when the baby puts its mouth

1979
01:38:26,600 --> 01:38:28,600
on the nipple. It actually connects to the mother's panieal

1980
01:38:28,640 --> 01:38:32,439
glend right, Yeah, and this hole that baby is going

1981
01:38:32,520 --> 01:38:34,039
to know where it is, the time and day and

1982
01:38:34,079 --> 01:38:35,760
all that from the mother's panial gland. So I mean,

1983
01:38:36,119 --> 01:38:38,279
maybe it's not that deep because I know Crowley, you know,

1984
01:38:38,399 --> 01:38:40,560
people think things about him. I'm not saying he was

1985
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:43,159
a great guy either, but maybe there is some science

1986
01:38:43,199 --> 01:38:44,720
in there. Maybe there isn't, but I mean, there is

1987
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:47,279
a definite connection with breastfeeding in the pineal gland from

1988
01:38:47,319 --> 01:38:49,520
both his mother and child. So I do wonder if

1989
01:38:49,560 --> 01:38:51,960
that's even being symbolized in there as other things.

1990
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:56,279
Speaker 10: I don't know. I had one. I used to do

1991
01:38:56,399 --> 01:38:59,800
ebail a lot for a living, and I stumbled across

1992
01:39:00,079 --> 01:39:02,800
the Crowley's tarot deck once and sold that for a

1993
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:05,359
few hundred bucks. That was a good a good fine.

1994
01:39:06,880 --> 01:39:09,560
Apparently it's pretty rare. I forget what some.

1995
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 4: People on there actually showing, like I think original printings. Yeah,

1996
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:14,039
for a few hundred dollars. I wonder if one of

1997
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:15,439
them was you when I was literally.

1998
01:39:15,279 --> 01:39:17,279
Speaker 10: Oh, it might have been. It's been a while.

1999
01:39:17,119 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 4: Because years ago when I was looking like Dann, these

2000
01:39:19,479 --> 01:39:20,319
things are expensive.

2001
01:39:20,600 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 10: Fuck man, they're crazy expensive. It's that's stuff, uh, you

2002
01:39:24,079 --> 01:39:28,399
know before before the internet, and is the Internet archive

2003
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,920
archiving all the books and stuff. Man, Like I got

2004
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:35,640
a uh, I've got a paperback like bootleg copy of

2005
01:39:35,800 --> 01:39:39,560
a book that was like hundreds of dollars up until

2006
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:41,920
maybe five years ago, ten years ago, and now you

2007
01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:44,039
can just get you get on the Internet and press

2008
01:39:44,079 --> 01:39:46,800
some buttons and view it in any different So now

2009
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:48,840
the original printings are even down to like one hundred

2010
01:39:48,880 --> 01:39:51,600
bucks and stuff. But yeah, there for a while, man,

2011
01:39:51,640 --> 01:39:53,479
a lot of that knowledge was really really hard to

2012
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:55,800
get your hands on. How much of it is anymore?

2013
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:57,840
Every now and again, I'll come across a book like that,

2014
01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:01,239
the book that dude low me. He's I want a

2015
01:40:01,239 --> 01:40:02,840
stack of books over there that these low me that

2016
01:40:03,079 --> 01:40:05,039
most of those I can't find on the Internet archive,

2017
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:11,039
which is kind of cool. But you know, when I

2018
01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:14,119
was doing they first started busted out with chat, GPT

2019
01:40:14,279 --> 01:40:17,479
and all that ship, I started like checking magazines and

2020
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:20,119
I would advertise them that way to college students. It's like,

2021
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:23,720
this is not archived on chat GPT. So in other words,

2022
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:27,439
by this played your eyes, your teacher won't be able

2023
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:32,399
to find out you did it. But those those doors

2024
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:36,239
are slowly being shut now. All this ship's getting archived now.

2025
01:40:38,520 --> 01:40:41,399
Speaker 4: Is there any questions anybody had those? Guy?

2026
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 10: No?

2027
01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,079
Speaker 4: No, was there anything else that you would like to make?

2028
01:40:46,359 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 10: You know what?

2029
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,079
Speaker 4: Why don't you? If you don't mind? I was going

2030
01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:51,039
to ask you before we wrapped it up, do you

2031
01:40:51,119 --> 01:40:53,479
want to give people an idea about this conference, like

2032
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:57,079
what you and what maybe you might be. I don't

2033
01:40:57,079 --> 01:40:58,880
know if you already have an idea what you're talking on,

2034
01:40:59,000 --> 01:40:59,560
but maybe do you.

2035
01:41:00,920 --> 01:41:05,039
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be covering. Uh, I'm gonna be. My plan

2036
01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:09,000
is there's research that I'm doing now with that book

2037
01:41:09,039 --> 01:41:11,439
that I showed you and stuff. I'm planning on making

2038
01:41:11,479 --> 01:41:15,479
a video and on that and then covering it in

2039
01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:19,680
more detail in the conference. And this is this is

2040
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:22,680
a pretty this this this one wraps up so many

2041
01:41:22,720 --> 01:41:25,000
different goofy ship that I'm investing a lot of time

2042
01:41:25,039 --> 01:41:26,720
into it. I'm swinging for the fences on because I

2043
01:41:26,760 --> 01:41:29,159
think this story is interesting enough that I want to

2044
01:41:29,239 --> 01:41:33,159
I'm filling in all these little holes. But uh, it's

2045
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:36,640
gonna be about some elogated school stuff you've never heard before.

2046
01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:39,039
It gets into Rockefellers and Lewis and Clark and all

2047
01:41:39,119 --> 01:41:43,800
kinds of goofy ship and free freemasonry, all all kinds

2048
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:49,720
of goofy ship. But the conference is the Quest for

2049
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:53,319
Ancient Civilizations. It's going to be in Scottsdale, Arizona, December

2050
01:41:53,399 --> 01:41:56,279
fifth through seventh. If you can't make it, you can

2051
01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:59,720
buy streaming passes to watch the people's talk that'll be there.

2052
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:03,039
But there would be aj from Y Files, Jimmy Corsetti,

2053
01:42:04,880 --> 01:42:09,479
Gary Buckler from Nerdrotic, who else. We got Mike from

2054
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:13,960
Wandering Wolf, Michael Button. There's a bunch of people that

2055
01:42:13,960 --> 01:42:18,119
are gonna be there. Megalithomania. Yeah, you gonna have a

2056
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:20,640
bunch of people there. It's definitely gonna be fun. And

2057
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:23,199
uh if you if for those of you who didn't

2058
01:42:23,359 --> 01:42:26,800
catch me at the Cosmic Summit, you catch me at

2059
01:42:26,840 --> 01:42:29,840
these kinds of events the nights in between, man I go,

2060
01:42:30,399 --> 01:42:34,680
I go, so show up, be ready to party with

2061
01:42:34,840 --> 01:42:35,199
you around.

2062
01:42:35,239 --> 01:42:36,920
Speaker 4: I have to say that thing. I was always out

2063
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:39,279
and chilling with people, so we will have a fun. Yeah,

2064
01:42:40,039 --> 01:42:42,920
I had, I was, I had a blessed Oh I had.

2065
01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:44,600
Speaker 10: I had a great time. It was It was a

2066
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:47,840
ton of fun. But yeah, definitely definitely want to uh

2067
01:42:48,479 --> 01:42:51,039
definitely want to promote that December fifth through seventh. There's

2068
01:42:51,079 --> 01:42:52,840
links on my channel. If there's none here, you go

2069
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,000
check out my latest videos. There will be links to

2070
01:42:55,119 --> 01:43:01,560
it and UH Quest for Ancient Civilizations and Scottsdale are awesome.

2071
01:43:01,640 --> 01:43:05,399
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, definitely people check it out if you can. Again,

2072
01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:08,560
thank you so much for coming on Dan. Before we

2073
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:10,239
wrap it up, if you don't mind, I'll have everybody

2074
01:43:10,399 --> 01:43:12,359
plug themselves and then you can remind everybody where to

2075
01:43:12,399 --> 01:43:16,039
find your stuff. Well real quick, Sarah, just let everybody

2076
01:43:16,119 --> 01:43:16,760
know what's up.

2077
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,239
Speaker 3: Well, this was fun, This was informative as always, and

2078
01:43:21,319 --> 01:43:23,680
I always say it's good anytime we can get together

2079
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:26,760
and exchange wisdom. I mean, I'm not much of a

2080
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,000
history person, but I do have an interest in go

2081
01:43:29,159 --> 01:43:33,399
Beckley so and I feel like you're quite knowledgeable on that.

2082
01:43:33,680 --> 01:43:37,079
So I've learned a lot and I appreciate you sharing

2083
01:43:37,159 --> 01:43:41,520
some pieces of your puzzle with everyone. So I'm Sarah.

2084
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,560
You can find me at Sahara Cosmos on X and

2085
01:43:44,760 --> 01:43:47,920
you can check out our podcast Universe unveiled on YouTube

2086
01:43:48,039 --> 01:43:49,439
or anywhere you get podcasts.

2087
01:43:50,640 --> 01:43:52,840
Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it,

2088
01:43:53,359 --> 01:43:55,199
and tyrow what is going on?

2089
01:43:55,359 --> 01:43:55,479
Speaker 7: Sir?

2090
01:43:55,800 --> 01:44:01,479
Speaker 14: Way appreciated Nick, thank you, thank you. How's everybody? And

2091
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:03,439
you know what I'm saying. I know everybody you know

2092
01:44:03,560 --> 01:44:06,800
got a plethora knowledge out here, so I know their

2093
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:07,960
minds are blown right now.

2094
01:44:07,960 --> 01:44:10,960
Speaker 6: I know mine is. I took some notes and stuff

2095
01:44:11,039 --> 01:44:14,600
like that. I really appreciate it Dan Nick having me.

2096
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:16,039
Speaker 7: Everything that you can find on me is on my

2097
01:44:16,159 --> 01:44:19,840
website Rebirth of theWord dot com, my book Journey through

2098
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:21,640
the Origins of Histories on Amazon.

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Speaker 6: And thank you to everybody for letting me be here.

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Speaker 4: Of course, thank you, sir. I appreciate it and eat

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it then to go what is doing on?

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Speaker 6: That was awesome?

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Speaker 8: Thank you so much for sharing all your information and

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I learned a lot. I appreciate everything and always great

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to talk with everyone. And I'm super easy to find

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and always appreciate communication, so don't hesitate to reach out.

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Speaker 6: Ethan Indigo Smith be soon and.

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Speaker 9: Thank you Mark Yes, thanks for having me on, Nick

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and it was a great conversation. Thanks for everything, Dan.

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If you want to check out my stuff. You can

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check out my link tree, which is all are m

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a r x and that has my artwork my Patreon.

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I do a lot of research and the Metal Mind

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Cast and you check out all the backlogs of those

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episodes and that's it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you, sir, and my man, Doc Brian. What

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is going on now?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've enjoyed myself. I was gonna make a

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little caddy joke and be like I've been like Pink

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Floyd during this session. I've been comfortably numb my whole

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left side of my face. Bro, I could even feel it.

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But yeah, I wouldn't missed this or anything Dan apology

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stuff for a while. Man, I was not gonna miss

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the opportunity to sit down and converse with you. And

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you did disappoint I appreciate it, man, But yeah, my

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show is Prometheus Lynn's podcast. Anywhere you can consume content,

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go check that out. We're always having enlightening conversations each

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and every week. And my book also just come out

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this year at the Epic of e Saw the Birthright

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and Seed where we get into Bigfoot and the Bible

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and all kinds of high strangeness.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, be sure to check that out.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Listen, thank you so much for making

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it my man, I appreciate it. And Bennett, my man,

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what's up.

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Speaker 13: Dan.

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Speaker 12: It's such a pleasure to talk to you. Appreciate it.

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You can find me at broadcasting seeds dot com. That's

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about it.

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Speaker 4: Thanks a loving and finally, Dan, thank you again so much.

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I really really appreciated you coming on. You really have

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like a ton of plethora of information in so many

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different areas. It's very impressive and I really I appreciate

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you even you know, I guess entertaining some of my

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weirder questions and giving me answers this as you could.

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Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 6: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: Do you please let everybody know again like where they

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can find all your stuff?

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, thank you Nick, and thanks everyone. This was

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This was a great conversations, some really great questions. Yee,

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you can find me as de dunking two d's like

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my ex not debunking, it's d dunking. No, you're all good.

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You're not the first person to make that mistake. But

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if you type in ded usually all come up fairly quick.

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I'm on X, I'm on Instagram, I'm on YouTube. I

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used to be on TikTok. There's still an accounter that

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every now and again somebody sends me something, but I

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won't ever look at it nless it's my son. But yeah,

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YouTube x or Instagram or the places defined me or

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you can also find me at Patreon, or you can

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find me at the Cosmic Summit, or it's Scottsdale, Arizona,

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December fifth through seventh.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, Yes, and again we all really appreciate it.

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It was an amazing experience and thank you everybody in

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the chat. That is what's up. Everybody was here pretty

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much from the beginning to end. It looks like and

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there's a lot of you's in there. Again, I appreciate you.

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Stop them buy and that's where we go live. And

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there's a lot of wewesome stuff added in that too.

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So people checking the replay, I suggest to check out

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the live chat. They always got some gems in there

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as well. That is the end of another recould rejects

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until the next one. Everybody be well.

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Speaker 3: Best West

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