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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Occult Rejects. This episode, we got a
very very very special guest, somebody I'm really excited to
get on the show and somebody I was lucky enough
to personally meet at the Cosmic Summit with Tyrone. But
until we get to that guest, uh, We're going to
introduce the other rejects that are on the show. And
we got with us Sorrow. What is going on? Sorrow
from Universe Unveiled? How's it going.
Speaker 3: Hey, Hey, how's everyone doing. I'm glad to be here again.
We actually covered the go Beckley Tippy statue yesterday on
our news segment, so I'm so excited to hear about
it from someone who knows more about it than I do.
So I'm Sarah. I'm director of public Relations for Institute
for Natural Philosophy and co host of Universe Unveiled podcast
and looking forward to it.
Speaker 4: So yes, so am I very much looking forward to this,
and thank you very much for joining us. And we
got Tyrone, of course we got Tyrone. What is going on, sir?
I will you that's up?
Speaker 6: What's up? Dan Duncan? He is glad to see you again, man.
Speaker 4: I know you be on the move and you're.
Speaker 7: Busy, man, So appreciate you for being here with us today.
And thanks Nick for letting me be here with you.
Guys also, and fellow rejects. What's going on?
Speaker 6: Ethan?
Speaker 7: I love yours man, So he's going to talk about
that when he comes up here to promote himself. But
everything you can find on me is on my website,
Rebirth Oftheword dot com, and my book Journey through the
Origins of History is on Amazon.
Speaker 6: You can get that best selling copy on there.
Speaker 4: Thank you appreciate it well, of course, thank you for
making it man, I appreciate it. And we got my
boy Ethan in the goo. How goes it?
Speaker 8: So, thank you and Nick for putting this together.
Speaker 6: Everyone.
Speaker 8: Always honored to be with you guys and learn from you. Yeah,
author of a few books and really looking forward to
hear what you have to say about Kobuckie Tuppy ground baking,
groundbreaking topic, right, So appreciate you.
Speaker 6: Appreciate it everybody.
Speaker 4: Of course I appreciate you making it soon. And we
got my man the story telling her himself, Robbie Marks.
What is going on, sir?
Speaker 9: Hello everyone? I am Robbie Marx. I'm an artist, illustrator,
researcher currently writing a book on Nimrod And if you
want to check out my stuff as far as my
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Speaker 4: Thanks Nick, awesome, Thank you very much for making it, sir.
Definitely go check out his work. The last bit out
least for the people joining us here with Dan and
we got Doc Brown. He made it. I was ninety
three percent sure he was going to make it ninety
three percent.
Speaker 2: Brother, I was taking you as us pulling in the driveway.
I'm glad to be be a part of this. And
guys that look over me, my face is swollen. I
just got out of the desk, but I wanted to
not miss hanging out and talking with Dan, so I
made it. But for meet this Lands podcasting where you
can consume content. Authored my first book, The Epic of Esau,
The Birthright and Seed War, and I'm just taking to
death to be here.
Speaker 6: Guys, I'm excited.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, man, I'm really really glad you're able to
make it. This guy's little g he just had teeth
pulled out of his mouth and he's still just so
Finally the man himself, we got Dan Richards aka Debunking Dan.
Please let everybody know what your deal is and what
you're about service. They don't know who you are.
Speaker 10: Well, Hello, thanks for the ENVI. I I really appreciate
its great to meet all of you, of those of
YOUOP haven't met before. My name is Dan Richards. I
go by de Dunkeying online. I basically started with a
lot of fact checking scientists that would debunk Graham, Hancock
and guys like that where a lot of times they
just misrepresent science. And I'm pretty big on the scientific method.
I mean pretty big on it to the point where
it's there's no better path to truth. There might be
other ways to find truth, but there's no better, more
consistent there's any group of humans to use the science
finds learns period in the story. And so when I
see the scientific method kind of being treated like a
just like a hugel to knock ideas out of the platform,
just off of the it's stupid, it's bullshit. So I
ended up started making videos about that, and now I
just I talk about a lot of different things too,
from a pretty skeptical point of view a lot of
the times. I mean, I'll entertain things, but you're going
to take me there. You're we're not going from zero
from zero to aliens if you and you're not gonna
keep me on board. If you're going from zero to aliens,
I'll be getting off at the first stop.
Speaker 4: No, I think I could say the same thing for
myself real quick too. Oh you know what, we have
another I totally forgot we had this guy coming on too,
and I never sent him the link. So before we
get into it, Kennedy, you just wanted to yourself real quick.
Speaker 11: Hi Bennett from Broadcasting Seeds Podcasts. That's it man, all right,
I'm glad I'm here. Thanks for inviting me.
Speaker 12: Good to see everybody.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, So Dan, the one thing I had to say,
I do likenk about you. Well, I mean, back in
the day you used to talk a lot more shit online.
You seem to have no view on that. It's it's
quite funny reading some of the places.
Speaker 10: Well, thanks, I take less time on Twitter than I
used to, but yeah, I basically, I mean, I hate
to be so simplistic about it, but when it comes
to Twitter in particular, it's like there's I basically wump
you into one of two categories real quick. Either you're
trying to have a real conversation or you're just trying
to throw shit. If you're trying to throw ship but
I've been doing that since the eighties on the bulletin
board services, You're gonna find your woefully equipped for this discussion.
Speaker 4: Definitely. Yeah, you definitely can throw some shade. It's pretty good.
All right, So I want to go Blendy, go good.
Speaker 10: A big pile of rocks over in Turkey. Yeah, yeah,
it's almost like oil. We should go take that ship.
Speaker 4: There's some oil under that we need that. You guys
need some freedom. We're coming.
Speaker 2: That's people need some freedom.
Speaker 10: Brother, that's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: You haven't see that eagle. That eagle meeting, Yeah, is
oil in Jupiter. I think you guys need some freedom.
Speaker 10: We're on our way. I got so what got you?
Speaker 4: I mean, I guess I can understand what God you're
looking into that. But like you know, with this whole
new statue and everything going on, you what do you
think about that whole site in general?
Speaker 10: What's going on in general? I mean, it's it's pretty intriguing.
I think Graham Hancock has a pretty decent hypothesis that
it was like a place where they were a transference
of knowledge was taking place. I'd take it a step
further than go Beckley Tepe. But when Graham first formed
his hypothesis, that was really all that there was known of.
But there's a whole test Teplar however you pronounce a
tense test Tepelar culture that was all over that part
of Anatolia and different areas have very different things, but
it's all innovative. That's the first thing that's of note
to me is that everything you see there is just
it's not just a little bit. It's a huge fucking
step above everything else that you see in the region.
They're like, oh, well, we see this built up. You'll
see a pile of stones laid out in a circle
somewhere that was meant to and form a little in
closure so that they could build a platform to keep
grain off the floor, to keep the rats out of it.
But compare that to what you see at go Beckley
Tepe or car On Tape a few those other sites,
and it's just it's not even close. There's a ton
of symbolism here. I honestly think Go Beckley Tepe. You know,
when archaeologists say that they only excavate a small percentage
of his site, that is true. But I think Go
Beckley Tepe is one of the ones that's a good
candidate for pushing for total excavation, just because of the
huge variation in symbols that we see and at the
time in our human history that it is. Even if
you look at it from just a mainstream perspective, there's
a very good chance that that's the beginning of written
language all over those pillars. But we're never going to
discern shit. Iban. You just ask a code breaker to
figure out a code with only ten characters out of
two hundred, and he's gonna laugh at you. So we're
never going to figure it out if we don't dig more.
Speaker 4: No, you think you think language, the first rate language
came from there.
Speaker 10: I think that there's a very good chance at the
first written language, at least in modern time. I mean
when all those different there's all those different animals, and
they're quite often like have you seen the work of
Martin Sweatman on the calendar on pillar forty three? I'm
sure some of you here away on YouTube, yeah, doctor
Martin Sweatman. Yeah, he talks about pillar forty three on
go Beckley Tepe and how it's a calendar, and he
goes into some pretty good details to show you what
the different march could mean. And there's there's a lot
of that kind of thing where you have not just
a snake, but you have this motif of snakes going
down together all across the side of a pillar, and
then it doesn't happen again on any other pillar for
five enclosures, and then it happens again on an one
more pillar. These kinds of things to me, they don't
seem random or haphazard of just like you know some
kid picking designs in different places. They're most likely had
some meaning and we can either be lazy about it
and say, yeah, you know, it's probably ritualistic or symbolic
or something, or we could try to suss what it meant.
And in one of those was like actual work and
one of those you know what you talk about on
YouTube a whole lot easier. Check out those cool fucking pictures, right,
look at that animals. But we're not getting anywhere with that.
Speaker 2: Have you looked into Louvian anagrams. I'm friends with doctor
jud Burton and doctor Aaron Jenkins. They wrote a book
on that called The Coding gobec Ley, and he was
saying that a lot of those markings look like Louvian,
like Louvian anagrams or something like that. No, I'm saying that, right, No,
I have.
Speaker 10: I've that book called My Radar, but I haven't read
it yet. But no, that would make a lot of sense.
I mean, there's you know, there's a ton of of
symbolism that we see. Look at if you look at
just the statues at the moai at Eastern Island, and
the way the hands on those and the hands on
the big tea pillars are. I mean, it's you know,
you have to kind of try to deny that there's
some sort of connection there. So I wouldn't be surprised
if again, I personally think it was a good chance
it it is a transference point of technology that whole region,
So I wouldn't be surprised if we see symbolism there
that spread throughout the world, which in a lot of
ways we do. That naval holding statue, if you look,
you'll see those in Sardinia, in the New World. Even
all across the world, you'll see those guys with their
hands on their tummy, and generally it shows up with
the advent of either agriculture and or metallurgy. Big shout
out to Graham Langdon for his book Who was It?
This Mystery of the navel holding statues and they were
holding idols? It's on Amazon and it is it is
a book worth reading. I don't usually promote people's stuff
without giving me money, but I'll promote that one You'll
be money Graham.
Speaker 7: That's interesting you say metallurgy because I promote this and
talk about this a lot. Anton Parks has this book
called Eden. And in this book and I promoted on
Twitter x plenty of times, and he says that, Okay,
you know, I'm very familiar with the Samarians, thean and
you know I'm very familiar. I don't believe the you know,
Then'm coming from Planet Nepro type bullshit. But it does
says in there that Inky gave knowledge to what is
known as Eve right, and the knowledge that was.
Speaker 6: Given was metallurgy.
Speaker 7: That's what the forbidden fruit was representing, because it was
for good and evil, the tree of good, you know,
the tree of knowledge and stuff like that, and it
was for metallurgy for agriculture. And he talks about exactly
what Cuneiform Tablet says it the Cuneiform tablet identifiers. I
think like one of them is like CBS eighty three
eighty three or something like that, but I have it
on next I can bring it up, but it's on there.
And he compares it to what's written next to the
Bible and Eno, because you know, in the Book of Ena,
get talks about how you know, these fallen angels gave
knowledge and metal and certain stuff to humans. But then
the kicker comes into whether they were falling angels that
came from heaven or whether they came from you know,
somewhere else. And it's interesting because the metallurgy, when you
look across all civilizations around the world, metallurgy is a
big part. Whether it's bronze, copper, ten, you know, it
doesn't matter, and symbolically it means something to them. And
just like you said, you know, go back to the type.
You know, there's type of technology. And I like the
way you said technology. So I always try to wonder
what what what is your explanation of what type of
what kind of advanced technology they might have.
Speaker 6: Had, because you know when people say technology, they I.
Speaker 7: Consider you know, advanced technology being going from throwing rocks
at animals to killing them to creating a bowl and
arrow and bow and arrow would be an advanced type
of technology versus the throwing the rock portion. So what
is your idea of a technology and fits the realm
of those people who were you know at that time?
Speaker 10: Well, if you're talking about people that were because it
would be pretty good with boats, right. I mean, if
they wrote out the flood, they would have had to
have known something, so they would have an idea of
how to use like ropes and rigging. Potentially, they would
definitely know how to use the stars to navigate. They
would be really good at teamwork. These are all things
that we see on sailing vessels that are low tech.
I mean, this isn't like it's complicated to do any
of those, but those skill sets put together would immediately
like transfer to being able to move some pretty big
rocks and align them to stars. And that wouldn't be
difficult at all for a culture that was used to
having these guys pull ropes together to raise the sail
or to do this or to do that. It wouldn't
be very difficult at all to have them work together
to raise a big rock and align it to the
star that you follow when you're at sea. So I
think that right there would be a big part of it.
I also think that that sailing necessitates a degree of
a transference of knowledge to another generation. If you look
at Polynesians, they've got these little goofy things what they
do with sticks, where the kids will weave sticks together
to make these little little cross shape things at what
they are as the representation of waves on how they
break off of islands, so that each one of these
sticks represents little thing. It's just a way for them
to hand their kid their knowledge. And then over time
you would presumably these things would change a little bit
as people would learn new things.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 10: That right off the bat, I think that they would have,
you know, they would want to have some sort of
way to write, some sort of way to transfer their
knowledge to the next generation. And I also I wouldn't
be surprised at all if they were really good with
basic tuber food stuffs. If you look at again, Polynesians
when they settle someplace, they don't show up with a
damn thing that that if they if they can't sit it,
just throw it next to them on the bottom of
the boat and ride ride out the voyage. They don't
take it. And almost almost everything they eat is a
tuber as far as what they bring with them to
a new land. And so I personally think that we
could look to that for some idea of what we
could expect to see from go Beckley Tippy. I'm not
a big fan of like ancient high technology myself. As
a matter of fact, when it comes to metallurgy, like
if you look at the copper culture in the United
States near the Great Lakes region, they would have some
copper that they would would get off of the ground
that was just like ninety five percent pure and it
was just huge, huge, like the size of an automobile
chunk of copper. So eventually they run out and they're mining,
and eventually that's not giving them anything well, and so
then by the time the white people show up over
here that they're almost not using them anymore. They're almost
not even using copper anymore, right, They're using needles and trinkets.
And it wouldn't It doesn't take a lot of imagination
to think, imagine to see that that culture being considered
more godlike than the people that came a thousand years later.
They had weapon I mean, they had fucking swords right,
made out of copper. I mean you compare that to
one made out of stick or stone, and it's a
far cry. But so you can imagine that happening in
other places in the world. You can imagine a place
where they were able to mine a bunch of metal
and it didn't need melting, and so some pretty low
tech solutions to some of these problems. Like I said earlier,
I take baby steps to get where I'm going.
Speaker 9: And you see a lot of copper axes in Grecian
and more Egyptian kind of you know, is that kind
of traversed through there. But what I was going to
say is I ran into some old Persian texts where
they talk about the original like Fall of Mankind, and
they talk about basically Adam taking or the character that
you know is represented by Adam taking sacred rocks from
either five or six different mountains and then compiling them
and basically making the first hinge. You know, So when
you get into these hinges and looking at go begley
Tepe in regard to the different characters, and you see
the scorpion and the vulture and all the you know,
to a great extent, you know, we have to philosophize
that this is some sort of an astral calendar possibly yeah,
right right to the dog star, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 10: The uh doctor Martin Sweatman's uh description of Pillar forty
three is really good where it's it builds off of
scorp the scorpion that's on it and builds it uses
that as scorpio, and then it uh takes the vulture
as sagittarius, which does work. It's stretched out in the
same position. It puts the sun as the little ball there,
and then from there it's able to discern. He's he's
able to discern different ideas. I mean, his hypothesis is
met with a lot of opposition. But at the end
of the day, it does fit. It does fit where
that would be potentially a marker of a certain date. Now,
a lot of times I think these guys like Martin Sweatman,
he gets kind of caught up in the whole.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 10: They're trying to warn the future about it. And I
don't think it's so much they're trying to warn the future.
I think that people get they get that backwards. That's
a science, a scientist looking at that thing. The motivations
putting a time capsule into the ground or the same
type of motivations, I think. And it ain't got nothing
to do with I'm going to send a message to
the future. It's man, they're gonna want to know what
we were doing back in those back in these days
because we're fucking important. Man. It's our generation is going
to be the last one that the world. Yeah, preservation
every generation, Yes, exactly, they're gonna want to know.
Speaker 7: That's what all these podcasts and people writing the books
and ships going to. You know, you traveling thousands of
light years, you've got plenty of time that you know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's it's pretty wild when you think about the
it's pretty well when you think about the way that
all of this is gets put together in different minds,
and like some people see things in entirely different ways
than other people. And that's one of the reasons that
I think it's really important that we don't reject other
ideas out of hand, because it really takes one person.
I mean, it takes one person and then people building
on it. Don't get me wrong. But Einstein comes up
with the theory of relativity, and it's so counterintuitive that
most people can't even wrap their head around it at
first until he has it to them in a form
of a real simple equation. But that real simple equation
ain't gonna do a goddamn thing. It had nothing to
do with what almost nothing to do with what happened
in Heiroshima and Nagasaki. Einstein has that great quote of
it's like five or six years later and he says
that the theory of relativity is almost unrecognizable to me.
Now the mathematicians have gotten hold of it. They start
beating it out and starting, well, it's actually not not
actually this number exactly, we need to and we need
And when they start doing that, that's when you get
the real complicated the abilities to split at him. So
it takes that dreamer, that person to come up with
this avant garde idea that's so fucking goofy. The germ
disease theory with Louis Pasteur as opposed to the four humors.
Everybody else thinks you just got to raise and lower
the amount of blood and bile and shit somebody. And
he's like, no, man, there's just these invisible bugs. I mean,
people laughed at they mocked him heavily. You're stupid invisible
bugs all as the ghosts doing it too. But now
so it's really important to me. I think that these
different theories get entertained, even if some of them to me,
like like Christopher Donees a great example. I think a
lot of his theories are really interesting, but I think
he's he's way too into high technology for me, way
too into high technology for me. But I still listen
to what he has to say. I like the guy. Means,
I talked to him fairly regularly, even sent me all
of his books to read and stuff, and which I've
read about half of it, half of the second one
after and the first one all the way through. I've
read about half of the three so far. But yeah,
it's so to me. I think that's one of the
biggest things that we see bad in the archaeological community.
And as much as they try to tell us that
science learns from its mistakes, I mean, we saw this
with Clovis first, and we saw this before. Not a
lot of people know that, but I'm sure most of
you areware of the first debacle where they.
Speaker 7: Yeah, live right there in Savannah. They right out there,
man thet there's a private land out there.
Speaker 6: There's Clovis Land.
Speaker 10: Yep, Yeah, there's the They say about twelve thousand years ago,
twelve thousand BCS will be like fourteen thousand years ago.
I guess that they were coming over on the Burying
Land Bridge with the first Americans, and that was anybody
who presented evidence against that hypothesis anything older than around
twelve fourteen thousand years was just categorically rejected as bullshit
and fought tooth and nail to the point where an
archaeologist that was in god damn it, where was he at.
He was down in South America somewhere, and he was, oh,
come on, monte Verde, where is the site at. I'm
drawing a big blank now, But anyway, he's down down
there during Pinochet and all that crazy shit Chile. He's
down there during Pinochet. And one of his colleagues contacted
the local newspaper and said that the whole site to
monte Verde was a CIA plan to put him and
his family down there, and it's like threatening his family
with the fucking dictator over science. And this was they
Eventually this was all put to bed monte Verde. That
site proved it wrong. That scientist Tom Dilla, Hey, he
was proven right. He was the guy that fought tooth
and nail and got it won. But just about fifty
years before all that shit was going down there was
the whole Fulsome first was the hypothesis, if you push
the people into the Americas back around more than five
thousand years outside of the fulsome culture. You were full
of shit, you were crazy, and you could expect to
be rejected by archaeology. So they just don't learn, They
haven't fucking figured out yet that what they're doing is
anti scientific. It's one thing to be skeptical, it's another
thing to be cynical. And I don't know a better
way of putting.
Speaker 7: It than that, that's crazy that you said about the
fourteen thousand years ago thing, because we hear and Georgia
Sarah knows about it. We have these places called Moggi mounds,
and when you walk into a Moogi Mound museum, they
literally have that says different dates of time periods, and
one of the pictures says seventeen thousand years ago. So
and this is supposed but they considered them people of
the Mississippian Pivot period. But you know, the Mississippi period
came much later than that. It's just that the culture
or the group of people was inhabiting Atlanta since seventeen
thousand years ago.
Speaker 10: So okay, go ahead, Oh no, sorry, go ahead. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So it's just interesting that everybody has these dates.
Speaker 7: You know, you get one date for one thing over here,
another day and you can tell when they using these
dates because they're trying to fit that date to match
their narrative.
Speaker 6: That's what they're trying to do.
Speaker 7: They're not taking they don't want their narrative to be taken.
This is one thing that I hate. I hate when
people say a theory and then they can't change their
theory to make it better. That's why some of these
damn cars was running away. They running nowadays anyway. You
know what I'm saying. People don't know how to sit
here and say, okay, look all right, we know this
doesn't work. It's a theory that it was supposed to work,
but it's not going to work this way, so we
have to change it up. And you know that you know,
radio carbon they have you know, they always have this
threshold of you know, it could be one hundred years
or a thousand years, you know, so what are you
what evidence that are you using to make you pick
that specific date instead of any other date. And that's
the questions that I like that you yeah, exactly, because
that's that's the kind of questions that that Dan be
asking and Grahama is asking also personally, And that's what
I'd be wondering too, and I'd be like, okay, you
say two hundred years so why is it two hundred
years ago versus seven hundred years ago? Why is the
radio carbon? Why are you picking a two hundred rather
than the seven hundred? What more evidence that you got
that's two hundred versus the seven hundred, And those are
questions answers that we don't ever get.
Speaker 10: No. Well, a lot of times it comes down to
a difference in motivations, Like you're talking about a museum
that is presumably heavily infl was, if not outright owned
by the tribes, and depending on the part of the
country you're in, it can really blow somebody's mind because
like the tribes over here, for example, they're strong, and
I don't mean strong. They have casinos that are tax
free and they've had them for over twenty years. They're
fucking rich, They're filthy, fucking rich. And if they challenge
you on tous they'll challenge a site and say we've
found an arrowhead. Well we think that's a grave good.
Well technically it's not a grave good, but they'll tie
your ass up in court longer than any archaeologist is
going to be any institution's going to be able to
run with it. And so there's a lot of claims
to be made based on age. Like Ken kennewick Man
was about ten thousand years old, and he was claimed
why the locals the callvill tribe, even though he's arguably
not a call. So this way you're going to get
those older dates. If the dative tribes are involved, they're
going to be like, yeah, well history book says twelve
thousand years, Better make that eighteen thousand, because we want
that next pile of bones to be ours. And you
can't really blame them. They've had everything stomped and stolen
from them. The only thing they have left to their
old ways, to their kids is a little bit of
control they have over their land. And if I wasn't, indeed,
I'd be fucked if you were going to take what
little bit of control I have left from me.
Speaker 6: That's why we have Nacpro where it's at right now.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and you know what's so interesting now?
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's and you know what it's going to
be like that for a lot of history.
Speaker 7: And you know, sometimes I don't blame it because this
place is, like I said, I've visited a lot of places.
I'm more of a boots on ground trying to do
local history type things. You know, I do want to
go to Egypt and all those other places. Haven't been there,
but eventually I'll make it. And uh, there's is a
place called the Horton House here in Georgia and it's
made out of like tabby and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: It's on the coast and stuff like that's on the island.
Speaker 7: And uh, when you go up there and visit, you
can see that people are scratching their names on the walls,
so they're destroying history.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. It's open to the public.
You don't have to pay no money to go visit it.
Speaker 7: There's no gates, there's no nothing straight on the on
the road. It's a historical site. It has a historical
marker and everything.
Speaker 6: But as soon as you walk up to the youth
and this is on a rich island, mind you.
Speaker 7: So when people say there's a demographic for certain things
that happens to archaeological sites, that's a bullshit lie, because
this is a rich island.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. And I'm telling you, you
go up there and there's one hundred hundreds of scratches
on there, you know, people's names, arts, arrows and stuff
like that. I'm like, you destroying history.
Speaker 7: And then you get mad when you get older about
our age and they don't blocked it all off, fenced
it off.
Speaker 6: Nobody can go there and visit. You got to pay
five dollars, five dollars to go in there.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm saying, you got paid for the security, this, that,
and third, and you done make everything works because your grandchildren.
Speaker 6: Didn't do what or your parents before you didn't do
what they were supposed to do, you know what.
Speaker 10: So yeah, yeah, it's a rough one. It goes that
psychological thing again. I mean that I'm scratching my name
on this rock because a bunch of other people are
going to come look at it. Who the funk wouldn't
want to know who Dan Richards is? Come on, Dann
Richards was here?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 10: That means something kill Roy was here? The fuck's Kilroy?
But me, come on, everybody, everybody's brain does that. It's
a fucking byproduct of the human nature. I mean, we
could sit here and I can look at all of
you on the screen and be like, oh, they're all
feeling great, and one of you has got a fucking
bad leg and one of you's chest is hurt, and
it's just like we none of us know what goes
on in somebody else's reality, and so that because of that,
we end up inherently self centered. And like a lot
of people say, human nature is so nice, and that's
such a fucking hippie take. I'm sorry, but like, if
you empowered every one year old on the planet put
them in a two undred and fifty pound bodybuilder's body,
we would all be fucked. We would all be fucked.
They would take everything they wanted and beat our asses
into the ground when we resisted.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a cool story with that, what you were saying,
like the tagging, And I didn't realized it until I
honestly started reading like four or five years ago. I
was never a big reader, but so blessed that I
actually did, because there's so much more information in the books.
But I was reading the Graham stuff and he was
talking about the first time that he climbed on top
of the pyramids and how he had to pay off
all these guards. He said it cost him all kinds
of money. He got halfway up and some more guards
set him like, way, you know, give us some money,
He said, I finally made it up there. He said
he got to see the sunrise on top. He was
describing how he felt and everything else. He said, but
I think it was his father, someone of his fame. Yeah,
had went up there and said he carved his name
and said, so he watched the sunrise. He said, he
remembered that he got to looking and he actually found
his grandfather's carving on the pyramid. So that that was
pretty awesome.
Speaker 10: Yeah, that is pretty cool.
Speaker 12: So, Dan, what's what's been your most surprising thing that
he uncovered while researching claims and conspiracies, Like, the most
surprising to.
Speaker 10: You, most surprising to me that I uncovered. That's a
good question. I think, honestly, the thing that blew my
mind the most is currently would be the way that
it's either the metal plate in the Great Pyramid or
the way that's been handled, or the way that the
Peruvian elongated skulls have been handled, either one of those
kind of just like the metal plate in the Great
Pyramid was part of Howard Avice's team, It's the same
group that found the cartouches that the debunkers like to
throw on everybody's faces and say that this proves that
Kufu's men built the pyramid. So you get debunkers claiming
that Howard Avice's team lied about the cartouches. But then
you get the skeptics claiming that Howard a Vice's team
lied about this metal play because it's an iron plate
in bronze age. So both sides say that, you know,
they don't want to trust the scientists there, but you
do some research and it's like they're actually, you know,
like about eight hundred miles away, and like three hundred
years after the Great Pyramid was said to have been built,
they find evidence of iron smelting right there. So it's
I mean, it's not really a stretch to imagine them
trading some pretty low grade iron to them, But nobody
put that together. It's just like I'll sit in there,
and as soon as that plate, as soon as that
plate was basically proven to not have been meteoric iron,
it was just dismissed out of hand, like it was bullshit.
Speaker 12: Didn't fit in narrative that they wanted to tell to them.
Speaker 10: And even though the answer is mundane if you look,
but it's nobody wants to do it. And the other
one the way that the elongated skulls in Peru were treated.
I mean that read l like like I was reading
a document that was historically going through the history of it,
and I felt like I was watching the fucking X Files. Man,
it was insane, like a scientist is. Like I went
and opened sixty two grave bundles. Each one of those
elongated skulls comes in this big grave bag, right, a
big burlap bag, multi tiered textile to store a body inside.
So his dudes, like I went, I opened sixty three
grave bundles or some such I recorded the contents of six,
and I closed the other one back up and put
them back on the shelf, and over and over. You
see this kind of stuff where it's like, uh, they
were selling skulls to fucking Oh, come on, what's the
dude today of the New York the original giants, Rockefeller
bought four of them and was the first person to
invest any money into into this thing. And uh, ever
since then, every time that these skulls pop up, for
every time anybody opens the skulls or does anything with them,
shit gets shady, Like all the way up into the seventies.
Shit was shady people. Did they do a public filming
of them opening a bundle and you can't find that
video or any reports of what happened. Just the fact
that that did happen and it was public. It's like,
so the newspaper covered it, looked for these people. Articles
not there. It's like, well, fucking what the hell? That
one did? Get me kind of feel a little a
little like I was sitting next to aj from the
WI files instead of sitting in my base. Yeah, there's
a lot of that stuff. Actually, that is another one.
I'm working on it now. I'm working on this. Uh,
some more elongated skulls. You know, they're they're kind of
just not spoken of. They're kind of all over the world,
and they're just kind of absolutely you look into a
Native American tribe and they may well have been quote
unquote long heads or flattheads, and you look into it
and you're like, holy shit, man, nobody ever talks about this.
It's like you could live right next to it, and uh,
nobody's talking about it. And it's all over the place,
and it's weird.
Speaker 12: Africa, there's they've found them everywhere.
Speaker 2: This one's a replica from the Parrakas goals. I think
it would be to a lot of the conferences and
have people sign it. But a lot of people, especially
like Ala Morzouli, A bunch of them guys went down
there and studied these things, did DNA sampling, uh, and
a bunch of these man they got so many phenomenalies
that don't match up to headbinding, like the Sadder Sutra
will be missing the eye orbits twenty to thirty percent,
larger extra set of for raven magnums in the back,
and that's for the arteries and nerve. It needs to
compensate for this elongated goal. So many things that brain
case volume and bigger in some of those. So many
things to a race.
Speaker 9: Yeah, the structure of the interior as far as the
webbing of the interiors I've also seen is different as well.
Speaker 2: Even the mounting because the mount point here is all
the way at the back. All human skulls mount here,
so even the ones they know that from headbinding doesn't
change the anchor point. But yeah, these longated s gold me.
That's something that's really fascinated me is that the biggest
rabbit trails. Hey, Doc is that the biggest thing is
that the anchor point. Like forget the elongation p part, right,
but the anchor part with that change a lot more
in our mindset of things, Like I think it shows
you it's built in the to the DNA, you know,
because all the ones that they have that they know
are from head binding. That still doesn't change that anchor point, right.
Speaker 10: That's what makes What's a problem I joked about that
in a recent video with the head binding, is that
you just can't, like you just can't grab some babies
and slap wrap their heads. So we need to do
is like it's just like the foot binding. We need
to clone some people and then practice both on them.
So we cut the human rights violations in half, but
we still have knowledge out of it. Feet and head
fuck you do it up. But serious is serious. Like here,
I got this book here. This is pretty rare one.
My buddy Sean Mooney lowed me for some research. I'm
doing the Chinook Sign of Freedom Chief Comcomly Skull And
this is a nineteen fifty nine or nineteen fifty nine
book from the Smithsonian Institute, and it's got this elongate school.
It's not nearly as crazy as the one you were
just holding. But they repatriated this in nineteen sixty I
think to the.
Speaker 11: Back on that one also that even if you look
at the whole, it's it's farther back than it should be.
Speaker 10: Yeah, chat, this was, Yeah, this was they repatriated this.
We don't have it and they buried it. But yeah,
there's there's a hell of a story there, man, there was.
What's the name of the book again, Dan, You're not
going to find it for sale anyway. It's a rare one. Uh,
the Chinook Sign of Freedom, The Study of the School
of the Famous Chief com Calmly. It's from the Smithsonian Institution, Washington,
nineteen sixty. Thanks, Yeah, no problem. It's you might find
a PDF for something. But yeah, I've not been able
to find that book for sale anywhere. My buddy Sean,
like I said, loaded to me, he's turned me on
to some interesting stuff that's fairly local that I'm kind
of doing a deep dive into, not kind of, I'm
doing some a lot of work into this one, and
kind of he showed meself that's I don't agree with
everything he's pointed out to me, as he's well aware,
but there's some of the stuff that he's pointed out
that's so just just so fucking interest that I can't
not dig as deep as I can. So me and
him were going to do a road trip here soon
and take a look at a few things, and yeah,
it's it's some life's crazy. Man.
Speaker 11: That actually leads me into another question that I had,
which is, have you ever investigated something that you thought
was just freaking nonsense? Right, but came away thinking, wait
a minute, there's more to this.
Speaker 10: The I'll be honest to the uh the maps, the
old maps of Antarctica with ice free coasts and stuff.
I thought for sure when I started digging into it,
I thought for sure I was gonna be looking into
looking at Paradolia. I thought for sure that I was
going to be But at the end of the day,
the boy, did I pissed some marchaeologists off with this one,
even though we were all buddies at that time and
I wasn't really fighting with they all, just like they
were all talking to me, and everybody just walked away
and clammed up when I said this. They didn't they
didn't want to hear it. But there's you know, the
same the same thing that makes me go with an
archaeologist that specializes in carbon dating seeds if he says
this seed is X number of years old, and then
somebody else that doesn't carbon date seed says it's X
number of years old. Same thing with these maps. We've
had exactly one team of professional cartographers worked on it,
and they came away saying that they were maps of Antarctica.
Now you start bringing out other teams professional cartographers, that'd
be great, But when you bring out historians that have
a minor in cartography, it's like, well, that's nice, that's interesting,
But he's a historian first. He's trying to make it
fit this narrative. The Colonel Harald z Oldmeyer, who was
in charge of them doing the work on those maps,
a motherfucker was the lead bombardier on daylight and night
raid missions in World War Two. He knew how to
read a map, all right. He wasn't just like, oh, dude,
to do to do? I think that might be this coastline? No, man,
he was capable of doing that shit under fire while
people trying to trick him into thinking it's over there.
He was good at it. I have to defer to
the experts on that man. So that did kind of
it kind of impressed me. I didn't expect it to
be so I didn't expect to be so robust.
Speaker 12: Basically, yeah, super interesting.
Speaker 10: So how about you guys, You guys got me answered
all kinds of questions, some of you. You know, somebody
is here.
Speaker 7: You know, I was going to say, you know, it's
crazy that his history is the way it is. You know,
everybody has a puzzle piece. Nobody in this room or
on this planet has enough time out the day to
do research and every aspect of everything on this planning.
Speaker 6: Even one subject.
Speaker 7: Nobody has enough time on one lifetime to learn everything,
I mean, just one subject.
Speaker 6: So everybody needs to work together.
Speaker 7: I hate how a lot of people come back grand
because I actually been found on Grant for years and
I've been I've read his books, I watched his documentaries.
Speaker 6: I go over his stuff.
Speaker 7: There was a time when I wanted to go over
his stuff like everybody else did. But I was like, man,
that's you know, that's so saturated. Everybody's doing the same thing.
Speaker 10: You know, forget it.
Speaker 6: You know, I'm not trying to go down that route.
Speaker 7: But he has a lot of questions. First, he says
a lot. You know, he basically wants to know who
were the people before the Ice age? Who were the
group of individuals before that, because obviously they were important, right,
I mean, I mean, everybody's trying to find out who
they are. It's just that most people don't like what
he says when he's looking for when he's questioning their information.
Speaker 6: So this is what I hate what people do.
Speaker 7: When you're sitting in a room and you're trying to
present information, you're only presenting the information based off of
your own research. Now you're presenting your presenting this room
and probably fifty to one hundred other people. Now somebody
in that room, I guarantee you probably has some more information.
And Graham takes that information and he applies it to
his ideas and theories. All the time he takes it's
like he takes the it's like he takes their stuff.
And normally users against him and they don't just pay
attention to what they say because he's asking. Okay, the
first thing he asked is will tell me who where
they were before that? And nine times out of ten
that shit held ten out of ten. Because the people
like to argue with him. You know, they say, well,
we know, well that's what he's trying to figure out, right,
And some people don't like the word advanced civilization. And
this that how many people have actually asked him a
question about what is a civilization?
Speaker 6: So this is where I kick it. So we got
Flint dibble over here. Right.
Speaker 7: He was on the here on Joe Rogan. He was
talking about civilization where he likes to go at Graham
a lot, and I actually made a little song from
you know, one of those AI things because I thought
this shit was so funny. When he was on Joe Rogan,
I think it was like eighteen minutes in, seventeen eighteen
minutes in, and he said he was talking about how
he never uses the word, he never defines the word civilization,
that he almost doesn't use the word because there's no
Everybody has their own way of defining of.
Speaker 6: What a civilization is, which is fair enough.
Speaker 7: But if you're going to have an argument about advanced civilization,
at the bare minimum, you got to define with civilization
and so everybody can understand what you're saying.
Speaker 6: That's at the bare minimum.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 6: Graham has done that throughout his whole entire career. So
everybody that follows him doesn't need that explaint anymore.
Speaker 7: Right, And anybody knew that wanted to know that was
thrown off of it because Flint himself says that.
Speaker 6: They don't even worry about that anymore.
Speaker 7: Now you're saying this from an academic point of view,
that you don't have a defined definition of what a
civilization is, but you want to argue about in advanced civilization.
Speaker 6: That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 10: Well, I I'll tell you a step further. Flint isn't
even somebody. Flint is in almost no better position than
I am to tell you how much they are saying
the word civilization nowadays. His specialty has fuck all to
do with civilization, that overarching look at he deals with food.
He deals with food. So the definitions that he's going
to be dealing with that, they're going to be scientific definitions,
and they're different than the ones that they bring out
to the lay people. So everybody, most people are familiar
with the difference of the term theory, but for those
that aren't, a theory to us. If I say, ah,
you know, I've got a theory about what happened on
nine to eleven. That means I got some idea with
no fucking evidence attached or threadbaar evidence. But in science,
you know, a theory is a hypothesis that stood up
to numerous tests, has failed none of them. All the
evidence supports it, none of the evidence supposes it, Like
the theory of gravity or the theory of relativity. I ask,
fucking Herosian, how hypothetical that is? You know, it's not hypothetical, man,
this is real. So it's science uses different terms, and
so Flint plays a little bit of a weasel. By
a little bit, Flint plays Weasley games, and that one
of them that he does there is obfuscating what that
term means between both camps. It's not. It's one of
the things that really really rouse me the wrong way
about him and a lot of those guys is they
don't just they don't just misrepresent things when they're talking.
They misrepresent things so bad that somebody watching them discuss
things can walk away with a bad idea on how
science has performed. They walk away with the wrong ideas
in their head. On a fundamental level. They remove archaeology
from the picture, and they still are going to have
a bad idea and the way that they handle these
things is very You know, we're at a point in
history right now where science seems to be political. You
have scientists that support the left and scientists that support
the right. And that's the most fucked place that science
could be ever, because science is a pursuit of truth
and politics is a pursuit of being a cocksucker as
far as but in all honesty, politics has fuck all
to do with science.
Speaker 4: But people science is the politics.
Speaker 10: Well yeah, and when they My issue is is when
you get to where you have scientists that people don't
trust because of their politically I don't trust fou to you,
or I don't trust this guy, I't What you end
up with is you you've got no people quit trusting science,
and people can get science to report whatever they want,
and you can't even do it in a court of
law anymore because you're gonna call it for a fucking expert. Well,
I got a scientist a donkey next to their name,
Well fuck you. I got a scientist in the same
field and with the elephant next to his And now
you've got to judge dani Or has no fucking idea
what any of this man we're looking at We're in
some very ugly ugly We're in a very ugly place,
and it's going to get a whole lot worse work
it gets better as far as how science and the
public interact. And a lot of it is the egos
of people like flinted.
Speaker 9: Right and the scientific journals even they have themselves have
come out and admitted that more than fifty percent of
their research papers are non reproducible in regard to you know,
the yeah.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, it's over. I want to say it was
over eighty thousand papers were retracted in twenty twenty four,
over eighty thousand. And some of this is because we've
got AI now, you know, scrubbing those things and looking
for coming through them and looking for plagiarism and faulty
data sets and whatnot. But a lot of it is
just flat out that you know, I say this all
the time about archaeology, you know, when they tell me
I'm not a scientist, and I laugh, I was like,
I'm an electrician, bitch, I did applied science. The universe
told me if I was wrong, you write a paper
and you give it to another archaeologist, did you circle
jerk all day long. You could be talking about fucking
Harry Potter and none of you would ever retract the
other guy's paper, and you're gonna call it science. No, man,
you're not a scientist. Bro.
Speaker 6: I hate I hate when people do that.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 7: I hate when people say, well, i'm this, you're not that,
you know. I hate when people throw that shit out
there because that that doesn't mean any If that's the case,
then why the fuck didn't you prove what you said
in the first place?
Speaker 6: Then, you know what I'm saying, why are you still
Why haven't you figured it out? Then?
Speaker 7: Since you have this degree, you're you're looking at from
that non uh perspective of having that that the credentials
that they're looking for. So if it doesn't make sense
to that non credential person, then make it make.
Speaker 6: Sense to them. Make it makes sense to us. You
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: You have, you have the education, you have the background,
you have the academic You sitting here throwing yourself on
this pedestal.
Speaker 6: Talking about some Oh yeah I got this PhD and
blah blah blah blah blah. Okay, so explain it to
us idiots then.
Speaker 2: Language.
Speaker 6: You know what I mean, that's what I'm saying. It's
a wall.
Speaker 2: You know, be the Gandalf that brings this knowledge and learn.
Speaker 7: If it doesn't make sense that of course we're going
to ask these questions because it doesn't make sense because
you're telling us we don't have these credentials that you have.
Speaker 6: So now when we ask these questions, now it's your opportunity.
Speaker 7: Send you up on this high rise and all this
other shit that you got, this academic you can.
Speaker 6: Walk around and say, hey, I'm doctor this this this okay,
will not prove it to us.
Speaker 7: Tell us what we know, show me the facts, because
guess what, there's other PhD right over here saying that
you're a crock of bullshit.
Speaker 6: So both y'all got pad. So which one am I supposed.
Speaker 10: To believe that? Yeah?
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, tell me that riddle me
that batman.
Speaker 10: It's fall it's that part has fallen this ship with it.
Like I was saying, you can't it's got to where
we can't trust Uh, we can't trust science anymore. And uh,
you know, Carl Sagan was the guy that really he
brought the lights from Gandalf to the masses with U
with uh the cosmology and freaking astronomy, and he got
all kinds of shit. His colleagues grilled him and just
picked on him all the time. Go go write another
paper for the fucking idiots, and we're gonna go write
a paper for and segan published papers, but it wasn't.
His focus was science education. And the thing is, in
all honesty, I personally think a lot of the reason
that guys like him get a lot of shit is
because they are the same reason that Lee Berger if
you remember the Cave Bones, if any of you saw
that on Netflix, So he got a lot of people,
He got all kinds of shit from our archaeologists and anthropologists.
And the reason is because these guys, generally speaking, a
good scientist ex a real good scientist is not just
a bit of a nerd. They're fucking socially awkward. They
they're they're they're weird, and that's fine and good in
the lab, but it really sucks when you put them
on a TV screen and they're trying to convince normal
people that this guy that you were, like, somebody checked
that motherfucker's hard drive. You don't want to have this
guy talking on to the public and everybody's like, oh,
this is the font of knowledge. We're all looking at
this guy down this. It used to be that the
only time you would see those kinds of scientists was
on freaking PBS at three am. And otherwise you were
going to get a Carl Sagan type. You were going
to get a guy that knew how to talk to
the camera and give you a little shock and jive
and hey, guys, welcome back, and here's what we're going
to talk about today. And then when you don't get that,
in stead, we get these guys that are fucking uh,
or that are egotistical and get all red faced and
screamy or basically, the the facade that scientists hid behind
for centuries fell the ship in the social media era
when they all got to get on Twitter and scream
about stupid ship and they all start doing all the
goofy ship that everybody makes fun of, and it's now
it's like, okay, so you're just you're you're just people
like us, but you're kind of a worse person than us,
because most of us at least know how to dress
and like, don't say the stupid ass ship, you do
so and I of us.
Speaker 6: Know how to use common sense too, they don't.
Speaker 8: Einstein said, if you can't explain your idea to a
six year old, you don't understand it yourself.
Speaker 7: That yeah, y'all know, I was in the military. We
call it keep it simple stupid. That's what simple stupid.
That's what we were saying. So if you can't keep
it simple stupid to me, I guess, I guess that's
what you're saying. Just ain't holding up then, because I
I I you know when people talk. You mentioned the
word gravity. You don't have to explain gravity to me.
I pick up this goddamn phone and let go of.
It's going to hit the ground. That's all I need
to know. Anything that I pick up is going to
eventually hit the ground. That's all I need to know gravity. Now,
if I want to get.
Speaker 6: Into this scientific theory relativity and all this other stuff.
Speaker 7: My mind is going to be ain't going down that road.
But I know the simple thing, foundational aspect of what
gravity is. So you know, all that other argument and
theories that everybody else have that's still up in the air.
Speaker 12: Better explain it. Like Bernie.
Speaker 4: Actually, I think the idea of gravity that tangent to
us is completely warm. That's why I've been one thing
that's going to ask you about and get into a
little bit more. This is the cult rejects when it
comes to like ritual stuff. Was there places that you thought,
like for sure definitely had the areas that you were
like there was ritual shit going on here? Oh and
what made you think that?
Speaker 9: Like?
Speaker 10: Why, Well, there's certain places where we see those like
blood letting stones, where they're pretty clearly made to like
collect blood when you caught something. And I mean that's
you know, I mean, I guess you could be eating
the blood or making black pudding out of it, but
I would, I would got in the limits say, most
of those cultures are probably using it for some sort
of ceremonial purposes. Given what most cultures tend to think
about blood, I can't think of any culture actually that
doesn't have some weird, some weird spiritual significance attached to blood.
There's uh that gets tricky because I mean the word
the word ritual is so vague, and so I mean, uh,
my last video I actually just talked about a little bit.
I joked about how a baseball player picks up his
bat and touches it in a certain way. That's that's
a ritual, right, So.
Speaker 4: For two weeks I think you said something.
Speaker 10: It gets difficult to know what. But there are places,
for sure, there's some dark places like that. People have
done some fucked up stuff. There's no question. Like you
know in car on Tepe Graham Hancock mentioned it at
the first season of Ancient Apocalypse. How that that face
that's sticking out of the side of the wall just
looks Yeah, it's fucking That thing's ugly as fun, But
I think it's scary looking. It's a big just like
kissy lips and ship. It's like you could imagine that
enclosure being like filled with water or something. It'd be
pretty scary little spot there. But uh, you know, I
would I think that the pyramids honestly, Like, do you
guys watch history for granted at all? He covers a
lot of the the more mechanical aspects of Egyptian things,
a lot of he's he's a pretty good channel. He's
not mainstream, but he's not alternative, I guess should say
he does. He does some some like the chimney and
the bent pyramid. For example, he went and took the
best photographs of that since the seventies, and he's got
he's got theories on the port CLIs doors on the
Great Pyramid and how they are were designed to be
lowered and raised multiple times? Would they weren't designed to
be dropped and lock the pharaoh in there forever? It
was designed to be accessible and people come and go,
And that implies it was more of an area of
cultural of a ritual significance, and that would make sense.
Like we've opened one sarcophagus that was in a pyramid.
It was sealed, but it had no body in it,
So it does make sense that you know, the Egyptians
had like forty two gates. I think it was that
they had forty two stations basically they would go through
in their afterlife. And I don't see a reason why
they wouldn't re enact some of that on the earth,
and you know, go stick his body in this one
for six weeks, and stick his body in that one
for six weeks, and stick his body and then then
travel it over here and present it. I mean, I
personally think there could have well been a whole, big,
big ass year long ceremony whenever a pharaoh died that
really got the whole country behind it for a time.
It would it would make sense given what we see.
I mean some of these things, you know, just it
beggars belief to think that it would be one person's uh,
you know, one person's project to have all the GDP
go into Kufu's pyramid, for example.
Speaker 12: Come on that.
Speaker 10: I personally think there was more than nothing involved in
that except for I was here right, that's.
Speaker 4: I was even saying, I think a few days ago.
That's funny, how like growing up, I believe that those
things would build just to house a few dead people.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, you can just have a grave yell. Yeah,
I think it was.
Speaker 6: I think it did multiple things. I noticed Guy uh
Ken Goods words. Uh, he's actually a publisher. He actually
published my book.
Speaker 7: Actually he talks about uh and there's a lot of
evidence about it about you know, some of these pyramids
being used as chemical parents, like to make methane and
certain stuff like that, and he goes in details and
in his book, and uh, it's just interesting that you know,
there's different theories on why the pyramids were made. And
I think that there was a multi you know type thing,
multi use type thing because of a simple fact that
I don't think it's just for the dedicated. I'm sure
somebody said, hey, I want my body to be dead
buried in there. I'm pretty sure somebody said that along
the lines. But I don't think it was solely made
for that. They had the kings Shamer, after Queen's Chamber,
after this, they have that, and everybody comes up with
their ideas. But you know, one of the things that
I that I'm always interested in is the idea of
how the Pyramids were made. You know, a lot of
people always says it took it takes twenty years. It
took twenty years. That's what the consensus is. But if
you actually read I believe it's herold Dodo's books, he
actually says thirty years. He says ten years for the
ramp and then twenty years for everything else. Now, this
is a guy that wrote how the Pyramids were back
back then. This is the first historian and this is
supposed to be a father for.
Speaker 6: Historian that actually talks about house built.
Speaker 7: But he never talks about the usages basically, like you
never gets in detail on how the usages were made.
And you know what we also are what I also
should say, I know is that the Pyramids is also
in layers.
Speaker 6: It's not just one whole thing built over layers.
Speaker 7: So a lot of times some people say, you know
that they did one thing and then they decided to
add something else, and it's something they decided to add
something else and then it just came out to what
it'd be. But you know, it's just theories. And then
it lined up to the stars. Some people say that
it's not lined up to the stars, that it's not
that it is actually just close.
Speaker 6: It's close, but not that close.
Speaker 7: But like you said, when you go outside now, when
you go outside, now you got a light lot of
light pollution. And nine times out of ten most people
are looking down on their phones anyway. They're not looking
at the sky. Their sky was their television like it
is as ours today. So them looking at the skies
and building things according to the stars, and this, that
and the third, it's going to be pretty accurate escessiorly.
Speaker 6: If you see the sun rise in the same.
Speaker 7: Spot over and over again, you're gonna be like, oh yeah,
this build something here, This would be pretty cool. And
it's just to come in and together as a group
of individuals trying to do something that when you said,
you know, the myths and rituals and stuff like that,
I think the rituals was the you know, being consistent
with something, and that's how civilization was able to go forward,
being consistent what we was doing. You know, I'll making
sure that we paid attention for agricultural needs, you know,
paying attention to the stars because you never know when
the floods are going to hit. You might have to
move your land and so forth, or your home or
your residence from one spot to another to avoid the
catastrophe and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: And that's where all these myths start.
Speaker 7: Telling these stories for entertainment wise, no different than when
you watch Superman and Spider Man when they talk about
that stuff. You know, they're keeping these stories entertaining for people.
But sometimes some people can say, hey, there was actually
not a Spider Man in the sense of that idea,
but there was actually a Spider Man god, right, so
and they get some of the remnants to make it
the Spider Man Show and stuff like that. And it's
just interesting that these myths has been carried forward because
we've been looking at those stars for thousands and thousands
of years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's pretty wild. The ancient Egyptians like to start
with you've talked about the twenty year pyramid. I'll start there.
That's that I've referred to as the gateway drug to
being a pyramidiot. You take any construction worker and tell
him that it's taken twenty years to build the pyramid,
They're just like, all right, fuck you, what's the other alternatives?
That's just we're just I'm just out. That's just stupid.
I'm sorry, that's just stupid. So it's I think that's
one of the biggest things. I personally think that if
if the Fourth dynasty is when started and finished the pyramids,
that it would be three at a time. I think
that you would be breaking ground on your sons as
you finished yours, or as you finish, as you finished
years broke ground on your grandsons, and we're halfway done
with your sons. I think that was a constant thing
for a few generations. They're assuming that was that they
were all built in the Fourth dynasty, like the historians
say they were. But when it gets into the like Heroninous,
you know, he's recycling, he's repeating what he was told
by uh an Egyptian priest. So his you know, his
information is basically operating under the assumptions the Egyptians actually
built them and still knew how they were built and
what had happened and whatnot. If it was a different culture,
like a lot of people believed that it built them
and then the Egyptians came in, and or that the
Egyptians were just whacked so hard that they couldn't you know,
some cataclysm threw them back into where they were spending
a little bit of time in more subsistence based things.
You don't you don't tend to care so much about
your you know, esoteric things when you're worried about eating.
So it wouldn't take a couple of generations to lose
a lot of these things. Hell, it wouldn't take a
couple of generations to lose a lot of this stuff.
I talk a lot about how, you know, stonework was
stone was the premier building material for millions of years,
literally millions of years. Hominids were using it long before
human beings were ever a thing, and so you know,
parent taught child for millions of years, little tricky techniques. Now,
think about whatever trade you do into the little stupid
tricks that somebody taught you how to cut onions or
some bullshit. I'll imagine millions of years of accumulated knowledge
like that. How fucking good these guys had to be
with stone, and then in one generation somebody comes along
with metal and all of a sudden, how much do
you know about horseback riding compared to your great grandpa?
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 4: You know a lot, bro that.
Speaker 7: I was just going to say that, that's a good
ass point, bro. And you know it's so crazy that
you say that, because I did a I talked to
a couple of different people, and you know, the pyramids
in Egypt aren't the oldest pyramids. There are pyramids in
Peru that are older, right, a lot of people are,
but they're not the same type of pyramids, of course.
And then you have the mounds in North America that
predate the pyramids, and of course you had to start
with mounds, and then you know, pyramid clay, bring stone,
stuff like that. But you know when you said that Herodotus,
you know he was he got it from the priests.
You know, I agree with you one hundred percent on that.
My question is, wonder does the telephone where does the telephone.
Speaker 6: Game really begin? You know what I mean? Like, where
where does that begin at? And how accurate is it?
Speaker 7: Because you know he might have said twenty thirty years
or he said thirty years. I'm not going to say twenty.
I actually read thirty from his book. He says thirty years.
But what did that thirty years equivalent to? You know
what I'm saying, how did you consider your days at
that time? Because you know we don't.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 6: We didn't consider our days the same that we counted
thirty thousand years.
Speaker 9: Say again, mark with the drifting calendars of the time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly, exactly. You know what I'm saying, days coming
up missing something?
Speaker 10: You know, well, you studied the Samerian Kings List quite
a bit Tyron and that this Samerian Kings List is
a great example of like that's why they call Heroda
it's the first historian because the Samerian Kings List. You
go out and you read a king's list of kings
names once every generation plus because it's probably safe to
assume that the kings are outliving your commoners for the
most part. So the odds of anybody actually remembering these
illiterate fucks didn't write it down, so they didn't remember
the King's list. So the old point of the kings
list isn't to record history, it's to legitimize the cocksucker
I'm putting on the throne right now. So the whole
point of saying that it took thirty years, that could
have took three hundred. We're ten times better than the
history records this as and all it takes is again
one generation to tell that lie. And we see this
shit over and over and over all the way upto
World War Two. There was a Battle of the Marianna
Turkey Shoot where the Americas just shot the fuck out
of the Japanese fighters. They'd be down like one hundred
and fifty some on fighters in one day, just wrecked
their naval air force, and they were so scared to
report that to their high command. They were like, yeah,
we lost two planes. We lost the next day they
lost two war they try to triple and drip feed
these losses in because they were trying. You see it
with a lot of a lot of battle records. If
you look at the Russians and the Germans takes on things,
it's like, well it looks like both sides won that battle,
and you kind of just have to go to an
outside perspective to see people I get, like Mel Gibson
says at the beginning to Brave Heart Man, history is
written by the winners, right, It's how it goes well.
Speaker 9: And I was going to bring up this idea of
you know, these arts you know that are basically refined
and then lost and then found again. When you get
into the Masonic texts, they talk about the fact that
at the Tower of Babel that these Kushites, you know,
these ancient you know Ethiopians that were these builders of
colossal edifices. Essentially at the Tower of Babel, they say
that the art of masonry was lost and then it
you know, and then the people were scattered and essentially
didn't come back again until the building of Solomon's Temple.
So there's these ideas, you know, and and the same
thing with metallurgy, you know, it goes back what seven
thousand years essentially the first earliest smelting, you know, piles
we can find. But if you go back into like
Enoch and all these stories of the fallen ones, they
were bringing these ideas of you know, advanced physics of
metal working of all these you know things that you
know were the mysteries.
Speaker 2: Essentially, Matt he was actually listed in the Bible. His
son said specifically that he was gifted the.
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that's it's uh pretty. It's interesting how fire, metallurgy, agriculture,
these are never handed to us by people. There is
no we don't. We don't And it makes you wonder
how how we're going to look at Einstein in five
thousand years the god came down and split the item
and blew up Japan. It's just weird because humans were
It's one of the things like what we were saying about,
like when did the when did the bullshit start? In
the Egyptian narrative, And I mean one of the things
that I would use a lot of historians would too,
is about the time when the leaders start living more
than a couple of hundred years. I'm going to go
out in a limb and say that the story's going
a little bit off the fucking rails here. We're getting
into legend and myth and by the time that their
their ages, like with the Assyrian kings list, when they
start lining up with astronomical ages, it's like, clearly, clearly, clearly, clearly,
this is allegorical. This is this is not talking about
one person's lifespan. That's how I look at it, very
very clearly. This is talking about an age and it's
so far gone. Again. To reference World War two, go
to any World War II group on Facebook and watch
the guy's debate which unit patch was worn by which
unit and which time? And Patten's wife said they had
to move that patch from their left hand to what
they was that and the Civil War even worse. And
that's civil where one hundred and fifty years ago. Man,
And they're gonna so if they can't, if they can't
tell me what button that we wrote down on a
card and put it in a fucking file in the
same country that we live in now, they can't tell
me what button private so and so wore on his shirt,
But you're gonna tell me what happened in ancient Egypt
fifteen thousand years ago. Sorry, dude, you don't have any
fucking clue. We have threadbare whispers is all we got.
We have gossamers of truth in these documents once they
get so far so, especially when you look at it,
I think one of the great examples of this is
looking at the myth of the Flood from the difference
between Plato and Noah, and with Noah you have the
gods are angry. The God is angry. It it's supports monotheism.
Don't fuck with God, don't break the rules. If you're
a good person, you do what God says, you'll be saved,
follow the one True God. But with the Great Greek version,
they're a warlike people. They're democratic, their noble, they use
the same precious metals on their temples that the Greeks did.
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 10: These are cultural lenses. Man, that what is great about
Noah is what was great to Moses because he's the
one who wrote the fucking story, if assuming Moses existed,
And what was great about Atlantis was what was great
to Plato because he's the one that wrote the fucking story.
It's now. I don't think there wasn't some truth to
what he was going with. I think that these guys
were absolutely informed by an outside thing. But they're a storyteller,
right and go look at whose version of Keen Arthur
and the Knights of the Holy Grail would you exells nowadays?
Except for the one that's got somewhat of a different take.
The stories evolve over time and a take on the
cultural lens of the culture that has them. So I
personally think that's something we yet, I think in one
generation's time. I I don't think if any of you
know who the cargo cults are. Yeah, it takes one
generation's time and the history just gets completely fucked.
Speaker 9: So I was going to say, now, when you go
back to these ancient flood stories, you know, yahweh, the
storm God was mad, and then you have Jupiter was
upset with the noisiness of the humans. But I was
just taking I was down in Newport this weekend and
I was talking to a sailor and he was talking
about the sea in regard to a storm, and he said,
you know, the sea was angry.
Speaker 4: So it's these, you know, just these.
Speaker 9: Common little ideas that add weight to, you know, expanding
mythos of these things. And over time, you know, like
through the telephone system, you essentially have these these mythos
that just grow and grow and grow and become you know,
of godly proportions.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's interesting y'all talking about the flush
story because I like to.
Speaker 6: Talk about that.
Speaker 7: So, when it comes to the flu story, every civilization
on this planet started it by a body of water.
Speaker 6: It doesn't matter, right, it don't matter what you want
to think. Every civilization started by a body of water. Why,
because we need body. We need water to survive for
our body.
Speaker 7: Now, maybe not in that generation timeframe, but in a
generation after or a generation after.
Speaker 4: A flood will happen.
Speaker 6: Well, what do you do when a flood comes? Well,
you leave the area.
Speaker 7: In those times, people paid attention I said it earlier,
people paid attention to the stars. They needed to know
when it was time for agricultural needs, raining seasons, so.
Speaker 6: They might have needed maybe needed to move, and so
on and so forth.
Speaker 7: So every civilization has a flood story because they live
by a body of water that eventually flooded. Now we
go to twenty twenty five, there are billions of Christians. Well,
guess what story's going to be told the most? The
Christian story right right, A monotheistic religion, just like y'all
two just talked about. Well, what are other mono theistic religion? Well,
you know that people will have the Islamic faith out there.
Speaker 9: As it's all Judeo based.
Speaker 10: It's all Abrahm. They all believe.
Speaker 7: So that's what people are when people are on the telephone,
that's the one they're talking about.
Speaker 6: But you don't get to the socific until you talk
to people that.
Speaker 4: Are you know.
Speaker 9: But you know, even when you get into the Native
American tales, you know, you have the various tales of
the treasure, the cursed treasures are under the seas. You know,
from the time of the great flood, you have these
stories like in Mesa Verde. If you go out and
look at those you know, uh, petroglyphs that are out there,
they basically talk about, you know, the different tribes and
clans that are fleeing from this catastrophe. Their stories, what
was it. There's the one story that they ruled, the
tribe ruled great over the land and tell a greater
you know, tribe rose up and took them as slave
and then there was a giant wave that over took
the land, only leaving fragments of the people. So you know,
even even in these you know, within American culture, within
South American culture, you see these flood stories consistently, you know, throughout.
Speaker 6: It and it's because they lived by water. That's gonna be.
That's going it's entertainment.
Speaker 7: They didn't have TV, telephones, tablet, cell phones, computers and
all these other shit. Everybody had to entertain themselves. I mean, hell,
anybody that went fishing knows that. When you go fishing
or hunting, when you're next to your buddy, y'all are
sitting here telling some bullshit stories.
Speaker 6: You know, your buddy's line about the fire, and everybody
is drawn in.
Speaker 9: Like ferroneous, bringing everybody, centralizing them telling stories, and these stories,
especially when you're relating that to you know, these these
hinges and and getting into the cosmological turnings, that becomes
the story behind all the stories.
Speaker 10: Essentially.
Speaker 7: Now, now think about it when somebody else says, hey,
I had that happen to me.
Speaker 6: So now two myths come into one because you're telling.
Speaker 7: What your buddy, what happened to your buddy, and now
you're saying, hey, I had the same exact thing, and
this is what happened to me.
Speaker 6: And now you told that story. Now the person that's listening.
Speaker 7: In to it, they might want to be lazy and
just be like, this is what this what this one
person went and got that there were two individuals involved.
Speaker 9: Well, and then that would develop into essentially the priesthood
that would be in charge of telling the stories that
were the authorized storytellers.
Speaker 6: Because they were like, wait a minute, I know just
training you know, yeah, yeah, you're right, bro, you absolutely right.
Speaker 7: Because that person was like, yo, I remember him saying that,
and I remember this guy say that.
Speaker 6: But they're saying this one story. No, hell does two stories.
Y'all need to get this ship together. We need to
write this ship down, and that's how writing.
Speaker 10: See.
Speaker 2: I think I think Graham's standpoint on that flood narrative,
if you have so many similar stories across the world,
across the continent, there has to be something to it.
There's a grain of treat there. And I think they're
looking back to this what scientists called the Younger Dryest period.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 2: If you guys are into that kind of flood stuff.
And there's a guy his name was doctor Walt Brown.
He actually worked for NASA and he wrote a book
called In the Beginning that is one of the best
pieces of literature that I've ever read on the Younger
dryas a beent to what he believed happened, uh, which
it's a long winded thing ausparians. But if that stuff
interests you, definitely check that out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it makes sense, and just think about it.
Speaker 7: That's why I said too, instead of it being one
whole flood story, right, it's multiple people, different perspectives. It's
not every animal was saved on one boat. It was
every animal that was important to humanity saved on multiple arts.
Speaker 10: Well, right, but now now there's get in.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you get into the Persian stories, they actually
talk about the var, which is where the word art
comes from. And the var was actually underground, and they
talk about how many writing links it was, and they
basically brought all of the miscellaneous plants and you know,
animals into this cave underground because of the evading frost.
And essentially so this is pre ice age, you know,
mythology versus the arc literature, which is you know, basically
the flood at when all the ice melted. You know,
it's it's interesting the dichotomy of these stories.
Speaker 6: They actually have a place like that right now.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Yeah, I have actually a bunch of questions.
I would like to still get it. Yeah, I need
to eventually before we run out of time. Sorry, I
would just be keeping it real, Dan, I hate to
go back to it, but I would like to go
back to the oritual stuff. I know it's been about
twenty minutes now, but because you're somebody who's been there
and seeing this stuff, I would like to take advantage
of that. When it comes to these places that you
think of rituals, did you ever notice they have nothing
inscribed in them? Or they have actual symbols in these
areas as well? Oh and this is like one of
like three questions, So please everybody, just.
Speaker 10: Well, I'm you know, I some some areas seem to
have some symbols. I mean usually how do you put
it there? There are areas that I would think that
are like I said, I think the rituals were done
in the Pyramids, and those are definitely devoid a symbols.
But yeah, a lot of places have a lot of
symbols slapped on them. It just depends on the culture
that was doing it. You know, to some less was more,
it seems.
Speaker 4: Did you ever notice like maybe a certain type like
maybe spirals or certain it almost seemed very reminiscent the spiral.
Speaker 10: The spiral motif is pretty common. Yeah, that spirals that spiral,
the cross, the spiral cross, the circle, and the circles
not too complicated, but yeah, those ones. I mean, the
cross is a pretty normal one too. All of those
are ones you're going to see in nature. And I
think the spirals one that somebody that like looked at
water would probably be pretty into, especially if they started
feeling like they were seeing that sort of pattern in
the stars at all or something that they felt like
they could extrapolate that to anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a little specific, though, I just to
keep on going on with the same one. Would you
notice these like maybe prior to entering the ritual area
or it's in the ritual area.
Speaker 10: It depends very much like I'm trying to get at right, Yeah, yeah, yeah,
like you know in some in some places, like it
seems like there's some areas where it seems like they
try to just slap you in the face with symbolism,
if you get it. There are certain towns here on
the West Coast where I live where there are planned cities,
and some of them are pretty I mean, I get
pretty skeptical about this stuff, but some of them pretty
clearly influenced by people that were in the freemasonry. And shit, right,
I mean when they build the city streets certain ways
and whatnot. It's like, Okay, again, I'm pretty skeptical a
lot of this stuff, but I don't have to believe
adrenochrome works to believe that some people do and they
can do some goofy shit in the name of adrino chrome.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 10: So so this is this is where like there are
a lot of there are a lot of things where
they just kind of seem to just try to browbeat
you with symbolism just as soon as you get it.
But then again, I mean there's times where I could
just not be getting the symbolism, so I'm missing it, right.
I'd like to think that I know everything, but as
my teenager constantly reminds you of a fucking idiot.
Speaker 6: So that.
Speaker 4: The reason I'm asking is because I know there are
some places where it does seem like that some of
these symbols might actually be representing a frequency that needs
to be used with the room. You know, because you
have the frequency of the earth, you have the frequency
of the building, and then like whatever you're trying to equal,
you can high have the mate to bring them both together,
like maybe with like whatever music and stuff going on
side of the room, which, if it's possible, leads me
into like my next question, and kind of do you think,
like you're talking about these these containers in the pyramids,
do you think it's possible actually really wasn't technically meant
for dead people at first?
Speaker 10: Oh, I think that's possible, but I don't, Like, I
have some serious problems with a lot of the hypotheses
that surrounded Like to start with, like, I worked as
electrician for a long time and there's most of these,
Like we're talking about the chemical power plant hypothesis earlier.
Jeffrey dum from Land of Kent has made a bunch
of videos about that.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 10: I like a lot of what he has to say.
These aren't outlandish in and of themselves, but we do
have some problems. Like the piezoelectric effect that they talk
about quite frequently, that is it's real. I mean, you
operate the quartz watch. It operates a charcoal igniter. That's
where your spark comes from on those little charcoal wands
that you use to light year. But there's very specific
things that have to be done. The crystal has to
be sandwiched between pieces of metal. You have to separate
that current into a positive and a negative. It's so
that it's usable, otherwise it dissipates immediately. The pyramid is
made of limestone the same as the bed rock, so
there really isn't a functional difference between the pyramid and
the ground. So that's going to make your electricity just
kind of it's going to want to seep away as
soon as you generate it. If to take an entire
block that's got little pieces of limestone suspended in the matrix,
and then to harness all the electricity when that block
was pressed down on, for example, you would have to
have all of the quartz crystals would have to be
magnetically aligned, which that's not happening in two ton blocks men,
unless you're talking lottery winners one after the I mean
billion to one odds over and over and over for
each one of those blocks. And then you'd have to
sandwich it between metal. Like I was saying earlier, you'd
have to piece of metal on top and bottom of
each brick. So them harnessing electricity on the pyramid is
something that if I was handed that and told to
install it, I'd be like, I don't know how the fuck,
is it gonna work? Is not gonna happen? What part
am I missing here? What am I not included with this?
I don't see the pizo electric thing. I think that
one is non It's a non starter. So that limits
a lot of the technological things that I've heard come
out of the pyramid. Almost all of the ones that
get into goofy technology at all tend to lean on that,
the pizo electric qualities of quartz. And yeah, the only one,
like the two little pieces of copper that we have
in the door, and people are like, oh, you know,
that could have carried electricity. It's like that voltage drop
is a thing, and it's it's calculable, and you lose
electricity based on how far you go. The only way
to counter that is with bigger pieces of wire. So
if you drive from a dam to the next city
and it's like one hundred mile jaunt, you'll notice the
power cables above you're that fucking bigger round. And that's
not to attract tweakers. That's to keep the electricity flying
down the road. So in the pyramid, when you got
these little pieces of wire that are about you know,
millions of you know, eighth of an inch thick, they
ain't carrying very much, especially in the seven hundred and
fifty foot run. So yeah, my technical knowledge makes it
where that there's certain parts of that that I am
skeptical of. Now, I am all about like anything that
can be demonstrated or or again, like I said, I
don't want to be cynical. I want to be skeptical
about things. So I'm if somebody talks to me about
things and shows me where I'm wrong on some of this,
I'm perfectly happy to discuss it. But by and large,
as fast as that electricity is generated from the pies
of electric effect, that it's going to pour into the ground.
So like we see those Oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: No, No, I just have like kind of like one
last question and it's kind of be like long and
drawn out one of the reasons. And I'm not trying
to like sail this brag. It's just my experience where
I go along with this story. Now, like certain things
with you know, you hear about these tombs, if you
think about the top being on it, you can't even
get the fuck out if you're in there. Probably, Yeah,
thing you hear about people going in caskets when I
used to do I used to be a ceremonial still
am a magician. I just haven't really done any rituals,
but I used to be a ceremonial magician. I used
to be a member of the Auto Temple Orientis and
I used to do ceremonial You know, shit a lot,
and I'll keep it real. I used to use the
astromargentum hood and robe when I did it. Now that
has no mouthpiece at all. It is just oys. So now,
if you're fumigating and you got all this smoke going on,
and you're supposed to be vibrating these words real hard
to exhaustion, you're gonna start having oxygen deprivation and you're
gonna start having fucking weird experiences. So could that be?
And what I'm getting at is, now, could that be
what's being used in it? It's kind of a double question.
And the people who are deeming these areas as rituals,
have they actually been in one, participated in one, or
written one themselves to know what a ritual is? What
the fuck's going on?
Speaker 10: I think some of them have. There is a like
you can rent the Great Dad, have seances in and
shit like you and numerous people have done that over
the years. So and I'm you know, you're gonna have
varying degrees of experience and expertise and all that stuff.
But as far as people like like these different rituals
affecting your mind in a certain way, I mean, that's
almost almost guaranteed to be part of it, right, Like
you're talking about you're talking about basically you're getting out
of the out of the realm of scientific inquiry and
into the realm of personal experience. And there's nothing wrong
with that. As a matter of fact, it's one of
my favorite things. I babble about this all the time.
It's one of my favorite things about the book or
the movie Contact, is that if for those of you
who've seen it, I assume most of you've seen it Contact,
the one where Jodie Foster falls through the little ball
and talks to her dad, that's actually an alien thing, right,
all the scientific skepticism in the world. She's a scientist,
she's dealing with scientists. Carl Sagan was a scientist and atheist.
And when it's all said and done, you had a
personal experience, take it or leave it, right, but you
got this is what happened to me. You want you
don't believe me, go crawl on the ball and fall
through it your goddamn self. But that's uh, that's how
to me. That's it's a huge part of it, right, Like,
in order to have any like scientific discussion, you kind
of have to start from a perceptive, from a from
a place's you have to make some assumptions, like I
have to assume that we both exist. You're not a
figment of my imagination, You're not my dream, and this
isn't all just my reality is and you're nothing. We
have to assume that reality exists. We have to assume that,
like we can learn from reality that if I throw this,
it's not just going to keep flying one time and
fall the next. And I think there's there's patterns. And
if we make these assumptions, we can have a conversation
about reality, about science and stuff. But if we don't,
then one of us can sit here and be like, well, yeah, man,
but you're just a figment of my imagination anyway, Well
yeah man. And those kinds of ritual things where you
where you alter your native consciousness. This does get into
things that are I forget a dude's name, but who
the geneticists that said that LSD helped him crack DNA. Right,
thank you. This isn't you know, this isn't without precedent,
you know, the human those spirals that you're talking about
and stuff earlier, those are almost certainly some of these
symbols that we see all over the place, almost certainly
part of magic mushrooms or you know, peyote or whatever
the hallucinogen of choice was amongst those people. You definitely
see it in South American Native American art, they definitely
definitely see it, those zigzaggy lightning bolt patterns that for
those of you who have eaten mushrooms, which I totally
never have, but you may or may not see those
kinds of things. So you know, there's certain certain stuff
you can recognize. And it's almost it's a funny thing
to me actually, where so many people will be like, oh,
Graham does hallucinogens, and therefore his his opinion on these
things is just all tainted by all the goofiness. It's like, Okay,
let me ask you a question. You think that the
guy that was in charge of the people and told
him to build that pyramid. You think that fucker never
did no hallucinogens. He was a fucking royalty at a
time when that ship was Like, who do you think
commission him to figure out the fucking formula for ayahuasca?
You dumb shit? You think it was some poor person,
some tweaker. No, it was royalty man, people that were elites.
So it's I think it's a good lens to look
through a lot of that stuff is hallucinage. A lot
of things I don't think we'll understand properly without altering
our state of consciousness.
Speaker 4: Right, I think that helps. Uh, it's kind of like
a little bit of like a cheat code to magical
experience in my opinion. Well, yeah, feel like some people
take mushrooms and you can go to the extreme like
Flatliners in the movie.
Speaker 10: You know, if you read Carlos Costanada, Oh yeah, Okay,
one of the experiences that he spoke of that I
thought was really cool was there he'd been dosed dozens
and dozens of times, he had his reality just kicked
in multiple times, and his shaman sets him sitting looking
like meditating and looking across a field at a tree,
and he sees a white dot behind the tree, and
then the white dot begins to grow and it does
all this goofy shit, and it just fills his mind
and he sees all these visions and he's sober. He's
not on mushrooms at the time. And then his shaman
ship goes over and walks over to the tree and
the root, the seed of that white thing that he
saw was a little towel that the shaman had tied
to the tree. He didn't hallucinate any The shaman had
planted a seat, and you know, things like that are
you know, on the flip side of that, I talked
about experience. I had a lot where I saw something
that it wasn't real. Saw I got out of the
tub when I was young, and the window I saw
a guy in like a hazmat suit like staring at
the wind window and he was angry and he's looking
right at me. He looked mad, and I was like
freaking the fuck out. And then like I did this
instead of turning to run, And when I shifted the
it was light and fog on the window in my imagination,
and that made it. That's a lot of the reason
I'm as skeptical as I am because I know that
what I saw wasn't real. But had I ran out
of that room, you still couldn't convince me to this
day that I hadn't seen it. So and this is
you know, you get what's where why I brought up
like these positions we have to take because you get
it gets philosophical, it gets outside of the realm of science.
Like Laotsea famously said, last night, I dreamt that I
was a butterfly or was that a butterfly dreaming? He
was loudsay right now, it's it's you know, we really
these things. We really get into the reason that people
ask questions about God and you know, eternity and all
these kinds of things, because you know, we have these
ideas that our experience doesn't coincide with. We believe in perfection,
we believe in infinity, We understand these things, but our
experience is in no way, shape or form back that up.
This is just complete that's making it up.
Speaker 9: Right well and interesting. With brain science, I saw an
article on the fact that they could go in and
monitor how the vision perceives an item and then how
the brain recalls what it is, and it'll basically shift
through different you know, images until it hits the right
one and then you have the realization. So during the
time that it's shifting through those things, the potential of
you know, uh, seeing anything is there. Yeah, you know,
so if you put your state users yourself into this
liminal state, then it's all, you know, platonic subjective reality.
Speaker 10: That's very, very true. And a lot of people will
say that that's you know, just a bunch of pseudoscientific
hippiass wu. But in my opinion, like psychology is the
fundamental Yeah, I say it all the time. It's a
soft science, soft as fuck because it's self reported data,
so you get like, you know, Epstein's clients didn't say
that they had these weird fetishes when they were talking
to their psychiatrists. Right. The people less self report tend
to fucking lie. But but if you don't look through
all of this stuff through the lens of psychology, you're
gonna fall into so many pitfalls. You know. One of
the best thought tools I use for this is just
to look at the electromagnetic spectrum and then look at
that tiny little sliver that you can actually sus We
have to build tools to go and see everything else.
That's what we're a little fucking we're little monkeys with
these crazy ideas of lofty, lofty ideas. Oh, we could
be perfect, we could never sin, and we could make
this world where nobody ever suffered in all this. And
then yeah, but when I get off here, I'm gonna
go eat something that was a live. Fuck that thing.
It's dead now. It's probably like one hundred things ground together.
And then maybe I'll go fuck something after I take
a dump. So we're just so fucked, We're just we're
just animals. We're fucking animals.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 8: I wanted to bring up an example of the anthropomorphic
tummy holding you mentioned earlier. In terms of a modern
iteration of monkeys, the wise monkeys are usually known as
the three wise monkeys. Hear no evil, Speak no evil,
see no evil, excuse me the three There is the
missing forth, the often unpresented fourth monkey, who is called
fear no evil.
Speaker 13: And this monkey holds his dantienne or center in Chinese,
below the belly button where our energy is stored and
amidst from in Daoist conceptuality. But he's holding the center
and being fearless and unmoved compared to the other monkeys
that are partial minded and so forth. I wonder what
you think of that, and maybe if you could break
down some more of that global embolism of the tummy
holding nice.
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, the well, first of all, I love Daoism,
and uh I I do. I think it's a great
example of uh. The the Dowadays Sing is a book
of basic proverbs and truth, and then it quickly gets
into the weeds with with further books, but some of
them still they still contain secret like uh little a
lot of times, a little glimpses of truth, but like
probably the most advanced Dallas text I've read was The
Secret of the Golden Flower. And by the time you
get there, you are definitely into the weeds. As far
as you're you are no longer one with water. I
We'll just put it that way. You've strayed a long
ways from just trying to not do anything and not
be anything, and not fight with yourself and not strive you.
You've come a long way from the Talita Shing at
this point. But it is uh, it is interesting that
that that they do believe that the seat of the
chakra stuff aligns a lot with this The Cundolini and
all that aligns well with the idea of the holding
to the navel. Now that the navel stuff pops up
again with metallurgy and or agriculture almost everywhere you see it.
It's almost like it was this knowledge that this packet
that was passed around, and it was like the people
would learn how to farm, they would learn how to smelt,
and at the same time they would start making. This
motif was one of the motifs that would prop up,
and honestly, it seems pretty basic to me what it represents.
You know, if but again we're running animals, right, But
if I've got so much food that I don't need
to be a running animal, I can put my hand
on my stomach and just to symbolize that I'm full.
And that even goes to what the ones in the
task teple our culture. A lot of times they're literally
holding their dick in their hand. And if you've got
no TV and nothing to do all day because you
have a surp plus of food, what will you be doing. So,
as you know, these ancient people, they fucked a lot,
and so that these were symbols of these things. I
personally think that that was like part of the symbol.
It was. It was braggered, Look I've got time, we
make better tools, we store more food, and to prove it. Look,
and then you look at the statues of women. They
made it the same kind of thing. Look, our women
are so fucking fat, they can't even get off the chair.
They're fed. It's they had some very weird ideas that
would show up in this initial run of agriculture.
Speaker 9: And you see it woven all through the mythology as well.
Speaker 10: You do you do this? You see that same fat
woman with animal on both sides. A lot of the
Master of beests are overweight women.
Speaker 9: And the two lions. Yeah, yeah, and that's.
Speaker 10: Very that that Master of beets symbol is in my mind,
part of that same whole thing where it's like we
these these things used to chase us. Now we cage
them and trade them. Right, fucking I'm to just go yeah,
but it's we are our whole other level now. And
so that that's shown with a obese woman is like
everything a prehistoric dude would want. Here. Here's here's a
naked chick. She's got plenty of food, and she's mastered animals.
It's like ready to reproduce to Yeah, oh yeah, clearly
if she hasn't already right right, yeah, it's it is funny.
One of the theories, one of the hypotheses I should
say that the anthropologists have for those Venus statues is
that they were like prehistoric porn, like some some kid
takes a little statue behind the tree. I God, damn it, dude,
Like could you you could just hang out like by
the tenth the chicks were standing by her, someone look
at every now and again, and I got to spend
like two hundred hours. I personally never bought that hypothesis,
but I've always mocked it because it's funny.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't get that either. I've even pointed
out Internet to go on when I just do think
it might be something behind it, because you mentioned venuses
a lot of times, like she'll be shown just like
one breast showing. I do. I'm trying to show a
case with just my idea of the Knox formula from Crowley.
I think a lot of it has to do with
the optic nerve and crossing, you know, certain shit like that,
and in a you know, part of his ritual, he
does have you act like your isis breastfeeding. You know,
nipple will be exposed when the baby puts its mouth
on the nipple. It actually connects to the mother's panieal
glend right, Yeah, and this hole that baby is going
to know where it is, the time and day and
all that from the mother's panial gland. So I mean,
maybe it's not that deep because I know Crowley, you know,
people think things about him. I'm not saying he was
a great guy either, but maybe there is some science
in there. Maybe there isn't, but I mean, there is
a definite connection with breastfeeding in the pineal gland from
both his mother and child. So I do wonder if
that's even being symbolized in there as other things.
Speaker 10: I don't know. I had one. I used to do
ebail a lot for a living, and I stumbled across
the Crowley's tarot deck once and sold that for a
few hundred bucks. That was a good a good fine.
Apparently it's pretty rare. I forget what some.
Speaker 4: People on there actually showing, like I think original printings. Yeah,
for a few hundred dollars. I wonder if one of
them was you when I was literally.
Speaker 10: Oh, it might have been. It's been a while.
Speaker 4: Because years ago when I was looking like Dann, these
things are expensive.
Speaker 10: Fuck man, they're crazy expensive. It's that's stuff, uh, you
know before before the internet, and is the Internet archive
archiving all the books and stuff. Man, Like I got
a uh, I've got a paperback like bootleg copy of
a book that was like hundreds of dollars up until
maybe five years ago, ten years ago, and now you
can just get you get on the Internet and press
some buttons and view it in any different So now
the original printings are even down to like one hundred
bucks and stuff. But yeah, there for a while, man,
a lot of that knowledge was really really hard to
get your hands on. How much of it is anymore?
Every now and again, I'll come across a book like that,
the book that dude low me. He's I want a
stack of books over there that these low me that
most of those I can't find on the Internet archive,
which is kind of cool. But you know, when I
was doing they first started busted out with chat, GPT
and all that ship, I started like checking magazines and
I would advertise them that way to college students. It's like,
this is not archived on chat GPT. So in other words,
by this played your eyes, your teacher won't be able
to find out you did it. But those those doors
are slowly being shut now. All this ship's getting archived now.
Speaker 4: Is there any questions anybody had those? Guy?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 4: No, was there anything else that you would like to make?
Speaker 10: You know what?
Speaker 4: Why don't you? If you don't mind? I was going
to ask you before we wrapped it up, do you
want to give people an idea about this conference, like
what you and what maybe you might be. I don't
know if you already have an idea what you're talking on,
but maybe do you.
Speaker 10: I'm gonna be covering. Uh, I'm gonna be. My plan
is there's research that I'm doing now with that book
that I showed you and stuff. I'm planning on making
a video and on that and then covering it in
more detail in the conference. And this is this is
a pretty this this this one wraps up so many
different goofy ship that I'm investing a lot of time
into it. I'm swinging for the fences on because I
think this story is interesting enough that I want to
I'm filling in all these little holes. But uh, it's
gonna be about some elogated school stuff you've never heard before.
It gets into Rockefellers and Lewis and Clark and all
kinds of goofy ship and free freemasonry, all all kinds
of goofy ship. But the conference is the Quest for
Ancient Civilizations. It's going to be in Scottsdale, Arizona, December
fifth through seventh. If you can't make it, you can
buy streaming passes to watch the people's talk that'll be there.
But there would be aj from Y Files, Jimmy Corsetti,
Gary Buckler from Nerdrotic, who else. We got Mike from
Wandering Wolf, Michael Button. There's a bunch of people that
are gonna be there. Megalithomania. Yeah, you gonna have a
bunch of people there. It's definitely gonna be fun. And
uh if you if for those of you who didn't
catch me at the Cosmic Summit, you catch me at
these kinds of events the nights in between, man I go,
I go, so show up, be ready to party with
you around.
Speaker 4: I have to say that thing. I was always out
and chilling with people, so we will have a fun. Yeah,
I had, I was, I had a blessed Oh I had.
Speaker 10: I had a great time. It was It was a
ton of fun. But yeah, definitely definitely want to uh
definitely want to promote that December fifth through seventh. There's
links on my channel. If there's none here, you go
check out my latest videos. There will be links to
it and UH Quest for Ancient Civilizations and Scottsdale are awesome.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, definitely people check it out if you can. Again,
thank you so much for coming on Dan. Before we
wrap it up, if you don't mind, I'll have everybody
plug themselves and then you can remind everybody where to
find your stuff. Well real quick, Sarah, just let everybody
know what's up.
Speaker 3: Well, this was fun, This was informative as always, and
I always say it's good anytime we can get together
and exchange wisdom. I mean, I'm not much of a
history person, but I do have an interest in go
Beckley so and I feel like you're quite knowledgeable on that.
So I've learned a lot and I appreciate you sharing
some pieces of your puzzle with everyone. So I'm Sarah.
You can find me at Sahara Cosmos on X and
you can check out our podcast Universe unveiled on YouTube
or anywhere you get podcasts.
Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you so much for coming on. I appreciate it,
and tyrow what is going on?
Speaker 7: Sir?
Speaker 14: Way appreciated Nick, thank you, thank you. How's everybody? And
you know what I'm saying. I know everybody you know
got a plethora knowledge out here, so I know their
minds are blown right now.
Speaker 6: I know mine is. I took some notes and stuff
like that. I really appreciate it Dan Nick having me.
Speaker 7: Everything that you can find on me is on my
website Rebirth of theWord dot com, my book Journey through
the Origins of Histories on Amazon.
Speaker 6: And thank you to everybody for letting me be here.
Speaker 4: Of course, thank you, sir. I appreciate it and eat
it then to go what is doing on?
Speaker 6: That was awesome?
Speaker 8: Thank you so much for sharing all your information and
I learned a lot. I appreciate everything and always great
to talk with everyone. And I'm super easy to find
and always appreciate communication, so don't hesitate to reach out.
Speaker 6: Ethan Indigo Smith be soon and.
Speaker 9: Thank you Mark Yes, thanks for having me on, Nick
and it was a great conversation. Thanks for everything, Dan.
If you want to check out my stuff. You can
check out my link tree, which is all are m
a r x and that has my artwork my Patreon.
I do a lot of research and the Metal Mind
Cast and you check out all the backlogs of those
episodes and that's it.
Speaker 4: Thanks, thank you, sir, and my man, Doc Brian. What
is going on now?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've enjoyed myself. I was gonna make a
little caddy joke and be like I've been like Pink
Floyd during this session. I've been comfortably numb my whole
left side of my face. Bro, I could even feel it.
But yeah, I wouldn't missed this or anything Dan apology
stuff for a while. Man, I was not gonna miss
the opportunity to sit down and converse with you. And
you did disappoint I appreciate it, man, But yeah, my
show is Prometheus Lynn's podcast. Anywhere you can consume content,
go check that out. We're always having enlightening conversations each
and every week. And my book also just come out
this year at the Epic of e Saw the Birthright
and Seed where we get into Bigfoot and the Bible
and all kinds of high strangeness.
Speaker 6: So yeah, be sure to check that out.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. Listen, thank you so much for making
it my man, I appreciate it. And Bennett, my man,
what's up.
Speaker 13: Dan.
Speaker 12: It's such a pleasure to talk to you. Appreciate it.
You can find me at broadcasting seeds dot com. That's
about it.
Speaker 4: Thanks a loving and finally, Dan, thank you again so much.
I really really appreciated you coming on. You really have
like a ton of plethora of information in so many
different areas. It's very impressive and I really I appreciate
you even you know, I guess entertaining some of my
weirder questions and giving me answers this as you could.
Thank you, sir.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 4: Do you please let everybody know again like where they
can find all your stuff?
Speaker 10: Oh yeah, thank you Nick, and thanks everyone. This was
This was a great conversations, some really great questions. Yee,
you can find me as de dunking two d's like
my ex not debunking, it's d dunking. No, you're all good.
You're not the first person to make that mistake. But
if you type in ded usually all come up fairly quick.
I'm on X, I'm on Instagram, I'm on YouTube. I
used to be on TikTok. There's still an accounter that
every now and again somebody sends me something, but I
won't ever look at it nless it's my son. But yeah,
YouTube x or Instagram or the places defined me or
you can also find me at Patreon, or you can
find me at the Cosmic Summit, or it's Scottsdale, Arizona,
December fifth through seventh.
Speaker 4: Awesome, awesome, Yes, and again we all really appreciate it.
It was an amazing experience and thank you everybody in
the chat. That is what's up. Everybody was here pretty
much from the beginning to end. It looks like and
there's a lot of you's in there. Again, I appreciate you.
Stop them buy and that's where we go live. And
there's a lot of wewesome stuff added in that too.
So people checking the replay, I suggest to check out
the live chat. They always got some gems in there
as well. That is the end of another recould rejects
until the next one. Everybody be well.
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