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<v Speaker 1>Will a way where I want to go. I want

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<v Speaker 1>to know what.

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<v Speaker 2>The place for me?

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<v Speaker 3>Show me away and get away when I want to

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<v Speaker 3>get my way the place on me?

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, wait, where do I go?

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<v Speaker 4>I want to go where I want to.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait? Week we pay.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome back to a cable box theater. I'm found them

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<v Speaker 5>alone and with me as always is HBHB. How are

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<v Speaker 5>you doing?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm doing great.

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<v Speaker 2>This is another one of these things that's been a

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<v Speaker 2>long time coming. I feel like a lot has been

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<v Speaker 2>leading up to this point talking about this particular particular

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<v Speaker 2>piece of art.

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<v Speaker 5>Here on Cable box Theater. We look at nineteen seventies

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<v Speaker 5>early eighties cable networks when they were putting on any

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<v Speaker 5>content that they could grab a hold of. In this case,

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<v Speaker 5>where overall we look at theatrical productions, Broadway productions, this

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<v Speaker 5>technically counts not Broadway. This one aired originally on September

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<v Speaker 5>the eleventh, nineteen eighty one. Never forget it's terrible. This

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<v Speaker 5>is Pee Wee's Playhouse. No, not pee Wee's playoffs. This

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<v Speaker 5>is the Pee Wee Herman Show. And here's the trailer.

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<v Speaker 2>You've made this point several times over these episodes that

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<v Speaker 2>these cable companies were desperate for content, right, they needed

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<v Speaker 2>more and more. So that's so we that's why we

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<v Speaker 2>got the opportunity to see some these great productions. And

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<v Speaker 2>even though I knew with this particular show that there

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<v Speaker 2>was something really.

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<v Speaker 6>Adult about it.

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<v Speaker 2>To be honest, the adult content at the time was

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<v Speaker 2>so far over my head. Even now watching it, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I missed an awful lot with this.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a production of The Groundlings, originally Paul Rubins,

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<v Speaker 5>Phil Hartman, John Paragon, Lynn, Maurice Stewart, John Moody, all

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<v Speaker 5>members of The Groundlings. Let's talk improv groups for a second,

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<v Speaker 5>shall we? Groundlings founded in nineteen seventy four by Gary Austen,

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<v Speaker 5>who was a member of the Committee. He was a

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<v Speaker 5>member of the La version of San Francisco's group, the Committee,

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<v Speaker 5>and when he ended up leaving them, he started his

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<v Speaker 5>own improv group at the Comedy Store, which eventually morphed

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<v Speaker 5>into his own sort of group that got bigger and bigger,

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<v Speaker 5>and then in nineteen seventy four officially the Groundlings were formed.

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<v Speaker 5>So that's an improv group. They were putting on improv

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<v Speaker 5>shows for six years there. In nineteen eighty they decided

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<v Speaker 5>that they would start spinning off their more popular care

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<v Speaker 5>characters into their own productions and see how they did.

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<v Speaker 5>So they started on Saturdays they would have a midnight

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<v Speaker 5>show using their most popular character as their inaugural side production.

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<v Speaker 5>That was The Pee Wee Herman Show, created by Paul

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<v Speaker 5>Rubens starring Paul Rubins.

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<v Speaker 2>So pee Wee Herman was originally a character that grew

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<v Speaker 2>out of improv in the ground I never knew.

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<v Speaker 5>That absolutely most of those characters were from the original

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<v Speaker 5>groundling improv classes or improv shows.

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<v Speaker 2>Pee Wee Herman is another one of these characters for

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<v Speaker 2>me that felt like he was always round. Ever since

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<v Speaker 2>I can remember, there's been a Pee Wee Herman, it

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<v Speaker 2>was either Pee Wee's Big Adventure, this show.

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<v Speaker 6>It's like part of the firmament.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's amazing to even think that there was an

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<v Speaker 2>origin to this character like that there was a before

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<v Speaker 2>pee Wee Herman and an after Pee Wee Herman.

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<v Speaker 5>It's cool, yeah, And Paul Rubins as a Groundling was

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<v Speaker 5>showing up in productions all around Los Angeles at the time.

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<v Speaker 5>If you go back, I can watch the Gong Show,

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<v Speaker 5>You'll see plenty of Groundlings show up on The Gong

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<v Speaker 5>Show as a made up act, including Paul Rubens. He

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<v Speaker 5>was doing a variation of his Tequila Dance where he

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<v Speaker 5>was dancing on his toes the entire time with another

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<v Speaker 5>performer from the Groundlings. He showed up in Cheech and

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<v Speaker 5>Chong's Nice Dreams at one point it's like a crazy inmate.

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<v Speaker 5>You hear about those girls. They're dip it in wax

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<v Speaker 5>at the Wax Museum. And of course he's a waiter

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<v Speaker 5>in the Blues Brothers.

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<v Speaker 6>True.

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<v Speaker 2>And he was also in a movie called Midnight Madness.

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<v Speaker 2>He was basically an arcade attendant. It was a very

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<v Speaker 2>don't blink and you'll miss it.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right with the gun with all the quarters and

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<v Speaker 5>he presses the button and it shoots a thousand quarters

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<v Speaker 5>onto the floor.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but no, I mean it's he's what can you say,

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<v Speaker 2>Paul Rubins is peewee herrman.

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<v Speaker 5>Indeed he is. And this is in fact that that

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<v Speaker 5>show was wildly popular, no surprise, that Midnight show. So

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<v Speaker 5>they moved it to the Roxy Theater where it became

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<v Speaker 5>its own kind of a thing. That's where the folks

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<v Speaker 5>at HBO caught wind of it, and they decided to

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<v Speaker 5>film it and put it on the air, and thank

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<v Speaker 5>god they did. And like you said, I can't imagine

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<v Speaker 5>a time when I didn't know pe Wee Herman. Obviously

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<v Speaker 5>we did before nineteen eighty one. But I saw this.

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<v Speaker 5>I watched it incessantly. It was on all the time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and yeah, it is completely meant for adults. This is

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<v Speaker 5>an entire show predicated on boomer nostalgia. Basically, it's all

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<v Speaker 5>sort of nineteen fifties nineteen sixties nostalgia in the form

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<v Speaker 5>of a children's television show. It is, in fact the

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<v Speaker 5>show we would eventually get on the air on CBS

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<v Speaker 5>as Peee's Playhouse, effectively.

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<v Speaker 2>But one of the more remarkable things about Paul Rubins

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<v Speaker 2>in this production itself is that you're right, this was

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<v Speaker 2>really for adults, but they sold the kids stuff so

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<v Speaker 2>well and it's so well realized as a production that

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<v Speaker 2>this really felt like any number of children shows like

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Rogers or Captain Kangaroo. And the fact is we

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<v Speaker 2>were children watching this. I wasn't phased in the least

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<v Speaker 2>I knew. I suspected there was more to it than that,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was perfectly happy to enjoy it. On the

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<v Speaker 2>basis of a child's a children's show as it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I cannot agree with you more. I responded to this

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<v Speaker 5>first and foremost as a show for children, just like

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<v Speaker 5>Captain Kangaroo, which is this is meant to ape in

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<v Speaker 5>a way, just like Romper Room, just like Sesame Street,

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<v Speaker 5>just like all of them. And at the same time

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<v Speaker 5>we knew this was for adults. We knew these were

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<v Speaker 5>jokes that we weren't getting because they were laughing when

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<v Speaker 5>it made no sense to our young minds.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of sexual stuff going on that I

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<v Speaker 2>only later really figured out. Like at one point, he

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<v Speaker 2>and Hemmy's sister comes over and they have mirrors on

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<v Speaker 2>their feet and they're trying to look under her dress,

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<v Speaker 2>which I got it on some level as a kid,

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<v Speaker 2>but I.

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<v Speaker 6>Didn't really understand what they were doing.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of sexual stuff, a lot of in

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<v Speaker 2>retrospect kind of hinky stuff going on too, which we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get to.

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<v Speaker 5>I got a lot more in that particular joke. Peebee's

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<v Speaker 5>friend Hammy comes over and he wants to borrow a

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<v Speaker 5>comic book, and then his sister joins them, and as

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<v Speaker 5>she's arriving, they say shoe mirrors so that they can

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<v Speaker 5>see her underpants, and so they have mirrors on the

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<v Speaker 5>tops of their shoes so they can look up under

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<v Speaker 5>her skirt. And when she arrives and they start doing it,

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<v Speaker 5>she says, I joke's on you. I'm not wearing underpants,

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<v Speaker 5>at which point they lose all interest because they just

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to see the underwear, right, And as like an

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<v Speaker 5>eight year old boy, I totally understood that that didn't

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<v Speaker 5>seem sexual to me in any way.

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<v Speaker 6>That is innocent. You're right. The aesthetic is so perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>And even with some of the weird, you know, sexual

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<v Speaker 2>stuff or adult stuff let's call it, because it's not

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<v Speaker 2>all about sex, a lot of it is there's this

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<v Speaker 2>core of sweetness to the character into the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>he has this world, these characters that they all love

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<v Speaker 2>each other and they have adventures together and they all interact.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I responded to more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a really fun world that we're presented with,

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<v Speaker 2>that people are happy, they're doing things for each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it was just the sweetness is really

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<v Speaker 2>what I think is the secret sauce to this whole thing.

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<v Speaker 5>One thing I want to point out about this is

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<v Speaker 5>the production design of it, because this would become the

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<v Speaker 5>aesthetic for eventually Pee Wee's Big Adventure in a way,

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<v Speaker 5>and then Peew's Playhouse after it. And I said that

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<v Speaker 5>this is effectively like an Nostalisia trip for boomers, but

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<v Speaker 5>this is an Nostaliger trip for all of the counterculture

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<v Speaker 5>people from that generation. This is the obsession with tiki

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<v Speaker 5>culture and all the low lights of American culture. Basically

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<v Speaker 5>just any sort of kitchy retroy kind of idea. I

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<v Speaker 5>swear to God the look of this production, it was

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<v Speaker 5>way too formative in my brain.

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<v Speaker 2>HP I agree that there was something about this rewatching

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<v Speaker 2>it now. The thing that came to mind, especially with

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<v Speaker 2>Missy Vaughn and her whole aesthetic, is I kept thinking

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<v Speaker 2>of the B fifty two's and their retro sort of

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<v Speaker 2>punky esthetic, and I have to believe that there was

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<v Speaker 2>some cross pollination there, like they took inspiration. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the B twos are obviously earlier, but I think that

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<v Speaker 2>whole that vibe that sort of like I said, retro kitchy,

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<v Speaker 2>big beehive hair, fifties coloring and aesthetic that all really worked.

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<v Speaker 6>For me too.

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<v Speaker 5>It's that weird period as the fifties were transitioning into

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<v Speaker 5>the sixties, like right before everything culturally exploded and things

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<v Speaker 5>started looking differently and a little more ramshackle. But this

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<v Speaker 5>was the ramshackle part of the shiny part of the fifties.

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<v Speaker 5>This is all of this that was a bit embarrassing

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<v Speaker 5>by the nineteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and in a sense the head of the curve,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, these things are all these are very cyclical,

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<v Speaker 2>and these things tend to come back. But at this

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<v Speaker 2>point in nineteen eighty, this was all, like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit embarrassing.

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<v Speaker 6>I think to admit that this was the aesthetic, but

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something cool about it and the way it's all

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<v Speaker 2>shown and the way it's shot and the color everything.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I said, everything really worked for me in that sense,

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<v Speaker 2>and it doesn't feel now looking back, it's come all

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<v Speaker 2>the way back around. It no longer looks dated. It

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<v Speaker 2>just looks uniquely. The aesthetic is uniquely pee wee. Now

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<v Speaker 2>to me, I know all the components that comprise it,

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<v Speaker 2>but to me that still feels like pee wee.

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<v Speaker 5>Herman, the eighties was a lot of picking over the

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<v Speaker 5>bones of what they had concentrated here, and once all

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<v Speaker 5>of those advertisements and videos and all of those other

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<v Speaker 5>things have fallen away, belongs to Peewee. We can't really

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<v Speaker 5>talk about pee Wee Herman without talking about his co writers.

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<v Speaker 5>And let's start with the obvious one and the one

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<v Speaker 5>that I absolutely fucking adore, which is mister Phil Hartman,

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<v Speaker 5>who also is a performer in this as Captain Carl.

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<v Speaker 2>This would have been our first exposure to Phil Hartman,

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<v Speaker 2>and at some point, like I saw this, and then

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<v Speaker 2>obviously later I became a fan of Phil Harmon through

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<v Speaker 2>Saturday Night Live. So it was a shock when I

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<v Speaker 2>eventually connected those dots. Wow, that's Phil Harmon, that's the glue.

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<v Speaker 2>He was in pee Wee the pee Wee Herman Show.

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<v Speaker 2>That's crazy, but my god, like, there's nothing. The man

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't do nothing.

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<v Speaker 5>I was laser focused on Phil Hartman from this moment.

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<v Speaker 5>He was basically like Ackroyd to me. I remember sitting

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<v Speaker 5>when the reporters are all surrounding Francis, going Captain Carl,

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<v Speaker 5>He's right there, and then looking for his name in

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<v Speaker 5>the credits and going Phil Hartman and then remembering that

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<v Speaker 5>was always stoked to see Phil Harton. So when he

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<v Speaker 5>And then have him be as good as he was,

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<v Speaker 5>as frequently as he was.

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<v Speaker 2>He's foundational for that era of SNL. Obviously that was

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<v Speaker 2>his nickname, was the glue, right, he was the one

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<v Speaker 6>All those gets.

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<v Speaker 2>There's too many good moments to even think of when

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<v Speaker 2>you think of Phil Hartman on SNL. But it's just something,

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<v Speaker 2>there was something so fascinating to me because, like I said,

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<v Speaker 6>But then to.

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<v Speaker 2>Connect the dots back to nineteen eighty one, the Pewee

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<v Speaker 2>Herman show Groundlings, it really made it feel like a

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know, it's just a smaller It's a

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<v Speaker 2>small world ultimately, and that's the fact that he could

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<v Speaker 2>be in a shared universe, the pee Wee Herman universe

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<v Speaker 2>and the SNL universe was really it blew my mind.

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<v Speaker 5>Actually, if you walked into any improv group in nineteen

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<v Speaker 5>eighty in Los Angeles or Chicago, you were going to say,

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<v Speaker 5>the fucking giants of comedy for the next twenty thirty years.

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<v Speaker 6>It's insane.

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<v Speaker 2>As a side note, I told you I watched that

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<v Speaker 6>You've seen it a bunch of times. Funny that was

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<v Speaker 6>the same thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Colbert was Steve Correll's understudy. It's insane, like, these are

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<v Speaker 2>incredible timers for comedy and I don't know, just the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that they were there at that time, in that

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<v Speaker 6>It's fascinating.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder how many does this still go on? Are

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<v Speaker 2>these clubs still around the ground Are the Groundlings still

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<v Speaker 2>a thing?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, of course Grownlings is still in Los Angeles. I

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<v Speaker 5>don't know if Improv Olympics is still there. There was

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<v Speaker 5>an Improv Olympics West last time I was there. They

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<v Speaker 5>still had UCB when I was there, although I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know if that theater closed after the pandemic. A lot

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<v Speaker 5>of improv groups closed out after the pandemic. But you're

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<v Speaker 5>not going to close the Groundlings. There's still SNL is

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<v Speaker 5>still pilling people from there. Mikey Day was a groundling.

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<v Speaker 5>Heidi Gardner, Oh yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I could see that Mikey Day has been around for

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<v Speaker 2>a deceptively long time. He just looks he's baby faced,

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<v Speaker 2>so you don't think of it, but that guy's been

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<v Speaker 2>around forever.

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<v Speaker 5>Dude in the in those first early days of YouTube,

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<v Speaker 5>but they had that guy doing David Blaine's street magic

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<v Speaker 5>and he would go up to a sign and then

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<v Speaker 5>take the handdown and the side it would go from

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<v Speaker 5>red to green. He wrote, though.

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<v Speaker 6>It's crazy he used to do.

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<v Speaker 2>There was a show on MTV, the Nick cart and

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<v Speaker 2>Nick and Nick Cannon Show.

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<v Speaker 6>Wild Enough. Oh yeah, he was in.

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<v Speaker 2>The repertory for that show. He must have been super young.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's got to be like early two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>I guess I think UCB is over. I think they

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<v Speaker 2>did close. I think I read that somewhere.

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<v Speaker 6>But it's just what you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Saying makes me think, like, how are there any other

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<v Speaker 2>perspective comedy giants just waiting to be discovered at these.

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<v Speaker 5>Clubs, just as a list of people who came out

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<v Speaker 5>of there, but not only Phil Hartman came out of there,

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<v Speaker 5>but Jan Hooks was also one of them and a

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<v Speaker 5>gas Steyer came out of there. Will Forte came out

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<v Speaker 5>of there, Will Ferrell came out of there. Rachel Dratch

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<v Speaker 5>came out of there. They've just been They're a machine

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<v Speaker 5>of comedy greatness.

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<v Speaker 6>They are.

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<v Speaker 2>But I also think nowadays it's easier with social media

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<v Speaker 2>and things like that to get your comedy out there.

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<v Speaker 1>I know.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what Lonely Island, that's what they started.

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<v Speaker 2>They just put their stuff up on You don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to be discovered at a club anymore. You can just

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<v Speaker 5>So I would suggest, if you want to be versatile

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<v Speaker 5>as a comedian, then a sketch performer. Maybe some improv

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<v Speaker 5>training would do you some good.

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<v Speaker 6>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 5>Phil Hartman as Captain Carl Can I just say he

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<v Speaker 5>comes on screen and immediately makes a joke that makes

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<v Speaker 5>me laugh every time I watch this special, and I

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<v Speaker 5>watched this special a lot. I watched this specially at

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<v Speaker 5>least once a year, honestly, where he comes out of

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<v Speaker 5>the bathroom and Peewee says, did you wash your hands?

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<v Speaker 5>And he grabs Peewee immediately by the face and goes no,

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<v Speaker 5>I laugh every time. I'm gonna laugh about it now.

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<v Speaker 5>That's so fucking funny. The other thing I love about

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<v Speaker 5>this opening scene is they do this silly little joke

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<v Speaker 5>about wash your hands. But it's the follow up to

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<v Speaker 5>this where Phil Hartman does this sort of sailor dance

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<v Speaker 5>and he's so fucking athletic. He just reminded me of

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<v Speaker 5>Gene Kelly. I wished he had done more physical stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>A sailor travels to benity lands and place he pleases,

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<v Speaker 3>and he always remembers to wash his hands.

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<v Speaker 4>Sosy, don't get no diseases.

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<v Speaker 6>He's very grace I agree when they do that little

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<v Speaker 2>The sailors, and not to get ahead of ourselves, but

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<v Speaker 2>as part of what we were doing here. I watched

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<v Speaker 2>the twenty eleven filming of Pee Wee Herman on Broadway,

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<v Speaker 2>and I got to say, obviously, it's Phil Hartman has

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<v Speaker 2>been gone for a long time, so I wasn't expecting

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<v Speaker 2>to see Cowboy, to see Captain Carl, but seeing Cowboy Curtis,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't really. I wasn't so much into the Pee

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<v Speaker 2>Wee's playhouse thing. I didn't really watch the show. So

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say it was a little bit disappointing

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<v Speaker 2>not to see Captain Carl up there, because all the

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<v Speaker 2>same jokes are in this sort of revival, right, even

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<v Speaker 2>the one you just talked about where he says did

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<v Speaker 2>you wash your hands? No, it doesn't land the same

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<v Speaker 2>way with Phil Lamar. Love Phil Lamar, but not quite

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<v Speaker 2>the same as Hartman.

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<v Speaker 5>I'll say this because I saw the production you're talking

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<v Speaker 5>about live at the Nokia Theater in Los Angeles, and

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<v Speaker 5>because it is effectively the show we are talking about,

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<v Speaker 5>the Pee Wee Herman Show from nineteen eighty one, just

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<v Speaker 5>repurposed with some updated jokes and some other segments that

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<v Speaker 5>at the moment that Captain Carl was supposed to come

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<v Speaker 5>through the door and Cowboy Curtis came in, it broke

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<v Speaker 5>my heart a bit. But Phil Lamar is really good

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<v Speaker 5>as Cowboy Curtis, and once you settle into him as

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<v Speaker 5>Cowboy Curtis, and then Cowboy Curtis in the Captain Carl role,

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<v Speaker 5>then it became fine, and then I enjoyed the rest

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<v Speaker 5>of them.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I no disrespect to Phil Lamar. He's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he does as good as a Cowboy Curtis

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<v Speaker 2>as anybody could expect because Larry fishburn At going to

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<v Speaker 2>come back to do Cowboy Curtis.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think he would have then, but I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know why he wouldn't. Like on screen. You can't do

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<v Speaker 5>it now, obviously, but.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, But it was just so Hartman is so noticeable

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<v Speaker 2>in his absence that I wanted to accept Cowboy Curtis

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<v Speaker 2>and Phil Lamar, but it just I for me, it

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<v Speaker 2>was really hard to get past it because it's so iconic.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Watch the original HBO show that often, not as often

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<v Speaker 2>as you. This might have been the first time I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it in over ten years, but it's burned at

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<v Speaker 2>the same time, it's burned into my brain. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>it so much as a kid. It was on so

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<v Speaker 2>much that I could quote it just from memory. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's to me, it's Captain Carl sitting down with Pee

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<v Speaker 2>weee talking about the seashell and all that kind of stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>I missed that.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know that Gilbert Godfrey was chosen over Paul

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<v Speaker 5>Rubens for the cast of Saturday Night Live. When Gene

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<v Speaker 5>Domanian took over, I knew.

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<v Speaker 2>Gilbert was in the cast I didn't know it was

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<v Speaker 2>between him and Paul Rubens.

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<v Speaker 5>That's when he came up with the idea to do

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<v Speaker 5>pe we re Herman as a stage show on its own.

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<v Speaker 6>Say it worked out pretty well for Paul Rubins.

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<v Speaker 5>He was going to be a huge star anyway. Character

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<v Speaker 5>here in the original peev Herman show and again when

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<v Speaker 5>I saw it live, male man.

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<v Speaker 2>Mike is great, isn't he? He's so like when you

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<v Speaker 2>really break the character down, he's such a prick. He's reading,

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<v Speaker 2>he's opening people's.

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<v Speaker 5>Mail, right, Okay, First of all, he comes in, he

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<v Speaker 5>opens the post office and then says, well, it looks

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<v Speaker 5>like it's time for my first break.

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<v Speaker 6>And then linn, he eats.

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<v Speaker 2>The cookies that aren't addressed to him. He gives pee

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<v Speaker 2>Wee his mail and he's like, hey mail, and Mike,

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<v Speaker 2>why is this open? And he goes sometimes I forget

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<v Speaker 2>and he licks the envelope and gives them.

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<v Speaker 7>To turn that frown upside down.

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<v Speaker 2>Peewee got some special mail here for you.

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<v Speaker 5>What's so special about him?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, what's so special is that it's mail from foreign lands.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know what that means, don't you do?

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<v Speaker 4>That means it's time for pals from around.

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<v Speaker 9>Here's a picture postcard from Finland.

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<v Speaker 7>From Finland, Dear Peewee Burr, it's sure cold here today.

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<v Speaker 7>An avalanche covered our village.

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<v Speaker 4>Here's a lot of from Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>From Israel, Shalam, pee Weee.

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<v Speaker 4>My name is Shalome.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm nine and I have been in the army two

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<v Speaker 7>years already to No Man Mike. If you would like

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<v Speaker 7>to know more about my country, just read the Bible.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, he's the worst, but he's so cheery

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<v Speaker 5>and just so upbeat. I love mail Man Mike.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really funny.

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<v Speaker 5>I also love his partner with Terry. No, not Terry.

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<v Speaker 5>Terry is Captain Carl's no Mailman. Mike's partner is the Gator,

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<v Speaker 5>also played by Phil Hartman. And not that we get

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<v Speaker 5>a scene with them, but I really wish we did

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<v Speaker 5>get a scene with the two of them together. We

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<v Speaker 5>Miss Vaughan falls in love with mail Man.

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<v Speaker 6>Yes, I do prefer Terry.

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<v Speaker 2>There's something about the line readings that Terry makes in

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<v Speaker 2>the show that it's just really funny. When he's talking

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<v Speaker 2>to Pee Weee about how he can't fly, and he

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<v Speaker 2>says man, that's a bummer. There's something about his the

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00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:04.240
<v Speaker 2>way he says that.

426
00:22:04.319 --> 00:22:07.839
<v Speaker 5>It's it's the one character that has stepped outside of

427
00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:11.240
<v Speaker 5>the show. It's the hipster character who's commenting on everything. Yeah,

428
00:22:11.240 --> 00:22:11.759
<v Speaker 5>that's a trip.

429
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:14.359
<v Speaker 9>Pewey, Yeah, just for them from the ship and boy

430
00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:15.640
<v Speaker 9>on my wings tiled.

431
00:22:17.240 --> 00:22:18.559
<v Speaker 5>Gosh, it must be cool to fly.

432
00:22:19.599 --> 00:22:22.200
<v Speaker 6>You mean you can't fly, Peey.

433
00:22:22.720 --> 00:22:25.079
<v Speaker 7>No, I can't fly off a human bee.

434
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:25.880
<v Speaker 5>I can't fly.

435
00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:33.000
<v Speaker 6>Oh, bummer, That's exactly that is it. That's the crux

436
00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:33.720
<v Speaker 6>of it right there.

437
00:22:33.839 --> 00:22:36.640
<v Speaker 2>But obviously I think for me as a kid, my

438
00:22:36.799 --> 00:22:40.200
<v Speaker 2>favorite character, and maybe this isn't a surprise, is Jombi.

439
00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.599
<v Speaker 6>I'm getting a signal from a samiric world. Help me

440
00:22:42.640 --> 00:22:43.839
<v Speaker 6>get into a twans quickly.

441
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:51.519
<v Speaker 8>In jumbies Mecca let go Hi met Chenny Mecai Meco

442
00:22:51.720 --> 00:22:58.519
<v Speaker 8>Chenny Meca Hi Mega Heney Ho Mega mea. I'm only

443
00:22:59.440 --> 00:23:03.519
<v Speaker 8>a chiny you lay game.

444
00:23:05.440 --> 00:23:10.400
<v Speaker 2>Because what Kid does isn't like completely enraptured by essentially

445
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:14.519
<v Speaker 2>a genie, a mystical, you know, force inside of this

446
00:23:14.640 --> 00:23:18.000
<v Speaker 2>box that can grant wishes. He's got the weird face paint.

447
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.519
<v Speaker 2>He's funny, he can do magic, I don't know. I

448
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:22.480
<v Speaker 2>just I love John b.

449
00:23:22.960 --> 00:23:24.960
<v Speaker 5>I was always confused as a chal because I could

450
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.359
<v Speaker 5>see that they were doing video effects, but I also

451
00:23:27.440 --> 00:23:30.400
<v Speaker 5>knew that this was a this was a live performance,

452
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:31.920
<v Speaker 5>so I was like, what are the people seeing in

453
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:32.440
<v Speaker 5>the theater.

454
00:23:32.680 --> 00:23:36.279
<v Speaker 2>That's true, because at one point he they do this,

455
00:23:36.359 --> 00:23:38.599
<v Speaker 2>it's almost like they pan out on his face, so

456
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.640
<v Speaker 2>it recedes into the background of the box. But yeah,

457
00:23:42.680 --> 00:23:45.319
<v Speaker 2>you're right, what do the people in the theater see

458
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:46.279
<v Speaker 2>when that happens.

459
00:23:46.400 --> 00:23:48.880
<v Speaker 5>I'll tell you nothing. They just see him do his

460
00:23:50.400 --> 00:23:52.519
<v Speaker 5>that's all. Or they put a different colored light on him.

461
00:23:52.559 --> 00:23:55.240
<v Speaker 5>There's a moment where between Captain Carl and pee Wee

462
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:58.359
<v Speaker 5>where pee Wee wants to light Captain Carl's pipe, and

463
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:00.839
<v Speaker 5>then he gets sick, and so they do this bizarro

464
00:24:02.240 --> 00:24:06.559
<v Speaker 5>kind of music and the picture gets all wobbly and gaseous,

465
00:24:07.119 --> 00:24:09.559
<v Speaker 5>and all that happens on stage is they shine a

466
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:11.119
<v Speaker 5>green light on Peewee.

467
00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:14.440
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense, but I always wondered, like it is,

468
00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:18.799
<v Speaker 2>how much of this is just filmed live and how

469
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:19.880
<v Speaker 2>much of it maybe is.

470
00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.920
<v Speaker 6>Our little pickups where they can do video effects.

471
00:24:23.279 --> 00:24:25.119
<v Speaker 5>That's a good question. I think a couple of the

472
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:28.599
<v Speaker 5>jombie things might have been pickups because they suddenly cut

473
00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.880
<v Speaker 5>to a way too close up, which they would probably

474
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<v Speaker 5>have to be on stage to get.

475
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:35.480
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, who you met the actor who played.

476
00:24:35.319 --> 00:24:39.319
<v Speaker 5>Johnbie John Paragon. He is an unsung giant because he

477
00:24:39.400 --> 00:24:43.440
<v Speaker 5>worked on fucking everything. He co wrote this show. He

478
00:24:43.519 --> 00:24:47.440
<v Speaker 5>co wrote Peewee's Big Adventure. He was the breather on Elvira.

479
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.799
<v Speaker 5>He wrote all the Elvira TV shows. He's in the

480
00:24:50.799 --> 00:24:53.839
<v Speaker 5>eating row just as an actor. He's really good in that.

481
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:57.599
<v Speaker 5>I know he worked with Imagineering for a while. Anyway, Yeah,

482
00:24:57.720 --> 00:24:59.559
<v Speaker 5>back in I don't know, this is going to be

483
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:05.759
<v Speaker 5>like twenty fifteen, twenty eleven, before he died. Obviously, my

484
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:09.680
<v Speaker 5>late wife Jessica and I used to attend what is

485
00:25:09.720 --> 00:25:12.400
<v Speaker 5>now called the La Comic Con used to be called

486
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:16.440
<v Speaker 5>stan Lee's Comakazi Okay, And it took place at the

487
00:25:16.559 --> 00:25:19.839
<v Speaker 5>LA Convention Center, which is the sort of big one downtown,

488
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.599
<v Speaker 5>And they of course have an entire floor that is

489
00:25:23.640 --> 00:25:26.839
<v Speaker 5>nothing but autographs from famous people and they're just sitting

490
00:25:26.839 --> 00:25:28.039
<v Speaker 5>there and you can just walk up to them and

491
00:25:28.039 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 5>they're usually selling something or whatever. And we were pretty

492
00:25:31.440 --> 00:25:34.519
<v Speaker 5>early and it was pretty sparsely populated at that point,

493
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:37.880
<v Speaker 5>but standing or sitting at a table by himself, just

494
00:25:37.920 --> 00:25:41.319
<v Speaker 5>scrolling on his phone was John Paragon. And Jessica and

495
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.400
<v Speaker 5>I were standing there and I'm trying to tell her

496
00:25:44.480 --> 00:25:48.759
<v Speaker 5>quietly that's John Paragon. She's like who, And I'm like,

497
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:52.039
<v Speaker 5>that's John Paragon, and she said who. And as soon

498
00:25:52.079 --> 00:25:55.039
<v Speaker 5>as I said it's John Bie, I heard Mecca le

499
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:58.920
<v Speaker 5>Beka Heine who which was John Paragon calling us over

500
00:25:58.960 --> 00:26:02.160
<v Speaker 5>to the table. And he was very gracious and very

501
00:26:02.200 --> 00:26:05.559
<v Speaker 5>sweet and talked to us forever about pee wee and

502
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:09.359
<v Speaker 5>about the movie. And I just adored getting to talk

503
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.559
<v Speaker 5>to him because he's such a fucking legend man and

504
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 5>he passed and where's his memorial?

505
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Seriously, he's such an unsugiant of comedy. But I just

506
00:26:21.200 --> 00:26:24.880
<v Speaker 2>I would freak out because johnby was was a mystical

507
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.119
<v Speaker 2>force as far as I was concerned. To see him

508
00:26:27.200 --> 00:26:30.519
<v Speaker 2>up there in nineteen eighty one doing all of those things,

509
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:35.039
<v Speaker 2>granting wishes, you know, casting, he just he's so funny

510
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:37.039
<v Speaker 2>and so cool. I don't know, I just I would

511
00:26:37.079 --> 00:26:38.680
<v Speaker 2>have freaked out. I think if I ever met that's

512
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.480
<v Speaker 2>an awesome.

513
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:43.119
<v Speaker 5>What's great about seeing him first as Johnby is that

514
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:46.200
<v Speaker 5>he's always Johnby now, no matter where he was in

515
00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:49.640
<v Speaker 5>his career, high or low, he's Johnby. He's still a god.

516
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:51.599
<v Speaker 6>Was it the same event?

517
00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:56.920
<v Speaker 2>I remember Jessica had a picture of her with Thomas

518
00:26:57.000 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Lennon from Reno nine to eleven.

519
00:26:59.279 --> 00:27:01.759
<v Speaker 5>No, that was San Diego Comic Con proper.

520
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:03.920
<v Speaker 6>I always thought that was a great picture.

521
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.920
<v Speaker 5>Because he fucking grabs her and kisses her. Because she

522
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.519
<v Speaker 5>said before she snapped the picture, don't grab me or

523
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:10.799
<v Speaker 5>kiss me or anything. My husband is really jealous. And

524
00:27:10.839 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 5>then he grabbed her and kissed her and said take

525
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:12.920
<v Speaker 5>it now.

526
00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:14.559
<v Speaker 6>Good stuff.

527
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:18.599
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, No, there's something about being an impressionable kid

528
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>and watching all of this stuff, the bright colors. Everyone's

529
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:24.680
<v Speaker 2>just having fun. I just I love that. I love

530
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 2>that vibe watching this season.

531
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.920
<v Speaker 5>Since we're talking about characters and groundlings and fucking comedic geniuses.

532
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:35.440
<v Speaker 5>We just lost one yesterday the day before Miss Lynn

533
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:39.720
<v Speaker 5>Marie Stewart, who is Missivon, the most beautiful girl in

534
00:27:39.759 --> 00:27:42.559
<v Speaker 5>all of puppet Land. She has been around and in

535
00:27:42.640 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 5>everything forever. She is in Pee Wee's Big Adventure at

536
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:49.839
<v Speaker 5>near the end of the movie on the Warner Brothers

537
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.720
<v Speaker 5>lot where they're filming the movie with Jason Hervey as

538
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.119
<v Speaker 5>the kid getting the bike, and then Peee comes in

539
00:27:55.160 --> 00:27:58.000
<v Speaker 5>and steals it, and Jason Hervey is a real prick

540
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.480
<v Speaker 5>right before the bike's feeling takes place and the director

541
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 5>has to step in, and the nun is like, I.

542
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.480
<v Speaker 6>Don't have to take that, Jerry, especially from that little kid.

543
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:09.680
<v Speaker 5>He is just a kid.

544
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.720
<v Speaker 4>Married even can be courteous. Jerry, I'm gonna quit, please,

545
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:14.440
<v Speaker 4>I swear it.

546
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:19.160
<v Speaker 5>I am going to quit leading me, all right, Jerry, Okay,

547
00:28:19.160 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 5>but I am happy. That is Lynn Marie Stewart and

548
00:28:21.759 --> 00:28:24.920
<v Speaker 5>she's fucking hilarious there. That is another joke from this

549
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:26.920
<v Speaker 5>group of people that makes me laugh every time I

550
00:28:26.960 --> 00:28:27.279
<v Speaker 5>see it.

551
00:28:27.680 --> 00:28:28.400
<v Speaker 6>She's amazing.

552
00:28:28.599 --> 00:28:33.119
<v Speaker 2>She was always Missy Vaughne in every production, every iteration

553
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:35.920
<v Speaker 2>of the character on the TV show and the revival

554
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:39.279
<v Speaker 2>on this original always there. And it's my understanding that

555
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.440
<v Speaker 2>she was pretty close with Paul Rubins. I'm sure that

556
00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:45.920
<v Speaker 2>they remain close throughout his life. And she's gone to what.

557
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:48.519
<v Speaker 5>She's fucking great here, not only that line in the

558
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 5>fucking Pee Wee's Big Adventure Movie, but the moment here

559
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 5>where she fears that Captain Carl is out on a

560
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:56.440
<v Speaker 5>date with another girl. She's putting on her makeup.

561
00:28:56.759 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 7>Was the captain here today?

562
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 4>But he had a date.

563
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:06.799
<v Speaker 6>Date, I mean.

564
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.440
<v Speaker 4>A date, peewee, are you sure?

565
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.640
<v Speaker 5>Date? He had an engagement.

566
00:29:32.759 --> 00:29:35.440
<v Speaker 10>You don't understand what's amm count.

567
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:37.519
<v Speaker 4>The Carl and a fishing engagement. It's probably just out

568
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:38.160
<v Speaker 4>of the very fish.

569
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:38.759
<v Speaker 10>And that's all.

570
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:45.880
<v Speaker 1>Is that all?

571
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 4>Thank you lucky star to.

572
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 6>Me, that's like, that's her seed.

573
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 2>That is the key to that character putting on the

574
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.960
<v Speaker 2>blush and she's getting more and more frantic and upset by.

575
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 6>The whole thing. It's great and I don't know.

576
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 2>She's so sweet and light and an effervescent and as

577
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:10.119
<v Speaker 2>the character, she's just such a breath of fresh air.

578
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:10.960
<v Speaker 6>She was wonderful.

579
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:14.000
<v Speaker 5>Why this works so well and why we bought it

580
00:30:14.039 --> 00:30:16.960
<v Speaker 5>as children is No one here is pretending this isn't

581
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:20.599
<v Speaker 5>a children's show. No one here is winking and letting

582
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:24.440
<v Speaker 5>any if there is sexual like, okay, there is what

583
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.359
<v Speaker 5>the hypnotisty thing with another ground we need to talk

584
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.079
<v Speaker 5>about that, but all right, let's talk about it now.

585
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:31.240
<v Speaker 5>Let's just get it out of the way, because this

586
00:30:31.279 --> 00:30:33.319
<v Speaker 5>thing is it's not like there's a huge plot. Pee

587
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.079
<v Speaker 5>Wee wants to he wants to fly, and Johnny's gonna

588
00:30:36.119 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 5>grant that wish. But Miss Vaughn wants Captain Carl to

589
00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:40.319
<v Speaker 5>love her, so he's going to give her the wish.

590
00:30:40.319 --> 00:30:43.160
<v Speaker 5>That's the plot there. It was the plot in the revival,

591
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:45.200
<v Speaker 5>And anyway, this was.

592
00:30:45.359 --> 00:30:49.359
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I found concerning now looking back,

593
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.880
<v Speaker 2>like watching it as an adult in twenty twenty five,

594
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.079
<v Speaker 2>because I frankly i'd forgotten about this and the aftermath.

595
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:56.920
<v Speaker 6>Let's say, so.

596
00:30:57.079 --> 00:30:59.880
<v Speaker 2>The conceit is, there's a part in the show where

597
00:31:00.880 --> 00:31:03.640
<v Speaker 2>Peee wants to hypnotize a member of the audience. He

598
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:06.640
<v Speaker 2>goes and it's obviously the woman's name is Joan, she's

599
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:09.640
<v Speaker 2>obviously an actress, she's a plant, and he takes her.

600
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.160
<v Speaker 2>She's one of the groundlings, right. She goes up on

601
00:31:12.200 --> 00:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>stage and Peewee proceeds to comedically hypnotize her. But what

602
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>he does is he basically just tells her, he suggests

603
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.160
<v Speaker 2>hypnotically that it's hot, which basically forces her to take

604
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 2>off her dress. So she's up there in I guess

605
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:31.640
<v Speaker 2>in this case it's a n neck lege.

606
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.799
<v Speaker 5>Let's just say, by the way that Pee Wee is

607
00:31:33.920 --> 00:31:39.519
<v Speaker 5>hypnotizing her with a puppet called Doctor, which I assume

608
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:43.480
<v Speaker 5>is from the early nineteen sixties late nineteen fifties, and

609
00:31:43.519 --> 00:31:45.720
<v Speaker 5>he was a hypnotist doll. So this whole thing is

610
00:31:45.759 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 5>predicated on a toy that everyone in that audience at

611
00:31:48.680 --> 00:31:50.319
<v Speaker 5>least knows about that.

612
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:52.279
<v Speaker 2>The toy probably looks like it looks like a little

613
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:56.839
<v Speaker 2>handheld version of Doctor Evil from Austin Powers. It's a bald,

614
00:31:57.359 --> 00:31:58.720
<v Speaker 2>stern looking character.

615
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:01.240
<v Speaker 5>Right, So I get what you're saying, because this is

616
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.640
<v Speaker 5>rapey and weird. Right, Yeah, he's having her take off

617
00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:06.559
<v Speaker 5>her clothes and then using the puppet to look up

618
00:32:06.559 --> 00:32:10.480
<v Speaker 5>her dress and everything. Right, But I think this is

619
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.880
<v Speaker 5>just a comment on what every kid was thinking they

620
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:16.839
<v Speaker 5>were going to do with this doll when they got it.

621
00:32:16.880 --> 00:32:18.799
<v Speaker 5>They were going to hypnotize girls and it taken off

622
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 5>their clothes. Not that it makes it okay.

623
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:25.799
<v Speaker 2>That's a charitable view of the thing. And again it's

624
00:32:25.880 --> 00:32:27.839
<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to be one of these people who says, oh,

625
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.880
<v Speaker 2>this is terrible that they should cut it out.

626
00:32:31.039 --> 00:32:32.799
<v Speaker 6>I'm not suggesting. I mean, it is what it is.

627
00:32:32.839 --> 00:32:33.799
<v Speaker 6>It's nineteen eighty one.

628
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.920
<v Speaker 2>This is what passed for comedy and I'm not gonna

629
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.480
<v Speaker 2>whitewash it or forget.

630
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:39.920
<v Speaker 6>That it was there.

631
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.960
<v Speaker 2>But what was particularly disturbing about this, and I don't

632
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.359
<v Speaker 2>think I ever even saw this as a kid, because

633
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 2>this is effectively a post credit sequence at the end

634
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:53.400
<v Speaker 2>of the show, we've gone through all the credits. Everybody

635
00:32:53.480 --> 00:32:56.599
<v Speaker 2>saw say goodbye you then followed that because what Pee

636
00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.759
<v Speaker 2>Wee has suggested to her when she's under hypnosis is

637
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:04.279
<v Speaker 2>that she's not going to remember that she doesn't have

638
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:07.839
<v Speaker 2>her dress on, and that's going to be effectively how

639
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:10.000
<v Speaker 2>this is going to go. So then at the end,

640
00:33:10.160 --> 00:33:13.519
<v Speaker 2>while they're going through the credits, you focus on the character.

641
00:33:14.279 --> 00:33:19.720
<v Speaker 6>She looks so confused, almost zombie like. The camera follows her,

642
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:27.640
<v Speaker 6>still in her undergarments as she goes outside, bewildered, into

643
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.240
<v Speaker 6>the city, into Los Angeles, I guess, And that's just

644
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 6>there's something disturbing about that.

645
00:33:33.319 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>She doesn't seem to know what's going on. She seems

646
00:33:37.279 --> 00:33:39.640
<v Speaker 2>in a fog about the whole thing. See I that's

647
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:42.519
<v Speaker 2>what I found a bit disturbing. But here, what did you?

648
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:44.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you had a different take on this.

649
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.759
<v Speaker 5>I loved it, man, what are you talking about? I

650
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.920
<v Speaker 5>thought it was great that this hypnotized person would remain

651
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:52.720
<v Speaker 5>hypnotized after the show, just go wandering home naked.

652
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I just found it grim because there's no joke. It's

653
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:00.960
<v Speaker 2>just this woman who doesn't seem to know where she

654
00:34:01.079 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 2>is or what she's doing, stumbling out of the theater

655
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.279
<v Speaker 2>into the nighttime. I don't know, I just I found

656
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:08.880
<v Speaker 2>it a little bit eyebrow rate.

657
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:11.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but it's ultimately we were watching this as kids,

658
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:13.880
<v Speaker 5>but it was not meant for This is a midnight

659
00:34:13.920 --> 00:34:16.559
<v Speaker 5>show at the Groundlings Theater on Saturday nights.

660
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:18.639
<v Speaker 2>Sure, And to be like I said, I don't think

661
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I ever even stuck around to see this little PostScript,

662
00:34:22.280 --> 00:34:25.000
<v Speaker 2>because you know, as a kid, I'm not going to

663
00:34:25.039 --> 00:34:27.159
<v Speaker 2>sit there and watch the credits. I didn't really care.

664
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:30.199
<v Speaker 2>I probably just flipped the channel. So that was surprising

665
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:32.159
<v Speaker 2>to see it now, because this might have been the

666
00:34:32.159 --> 00:34:34.280
<v Speaker 2>first time I ever saw that. See did you mention

667
00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>that where people can see Pee Wee the Pee Wee

668
00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Herman Show.

669
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.480
<v Speaker 5>You can see it on HBO Max or Max right now,

670
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:41.800
<v Speaker 5>it's on demand.

671
00:34:42.159 --> 00:34:44.440
<v Speaker 6>Or you can see it on YouTube for free.

672
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.440
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, hey, everybody, you can see everything for free

673
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.760
<v Speaker 5>on YouTube. Can you see the twenty eleven Broadway revival.

674
00:34:51.480 --> 00:34:52.519
<v Speaker 6>I don't think you can see that.

675
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>I think that's too I think that's locked up with

676
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.079
<v Speaker 2>a lot more rights and things like that.

677
00:34:57.159 --> 00:34:57.599
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you know.

678
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.880
<v Speaker 5>What you can see is Paragon of Comedy, John Paragon's

679
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:03.679
<v Speaker 5>comedy special from nineteen eighty three featuring Pee Wee Herman

680
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:07.760
<v Speaker 5>and Elvira. Really, oh yeah, check that out. You should

681
00:35:07.840 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 5>check it out. John Moody is in it as well,

682
00:35:09.760 --> 00:35:12.880
<v Speaker 5>and Miss avon Lyn, Marie Stewart and the Joan.

683
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Can we talk about one another character in this production

684
00:35:17.599 --> 00:35:21.920
<v Speaker 2>that I guess I didn't appreciate fully until I was

685
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:24.880
<v Speaker 2>an adult, the mister and missus Jelly Donut.

686
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:27.440
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, thank god you brought them up, because

687
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:30.079
<v Speaker 5>I agree did not appreciate them as a child and

688
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.360
<v Speaker 5>enjoyed them, but fucking love them right now.

689
00:35:33.800 --> 00:35:37.159
<v Speaker 2>I didn't get the joke of them performing sly Stone's

690
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:40.599
<v Speaker 2>greatest hits, like these two white people basically up there,

691
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>he's got a flamingo guitar, an electric guitar.

692
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:47.079
<v Speaker 5>But by the way, is a flamingo guitar, and he's

693
00:35:47.119 --> 00:35:50.960
<v Speaker 5>wearing black pants and he has pink stripes down the front.

694
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 5>So when he's holding the guitar. It looks like the

695
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:54.719
<v Speaker 5>fucking flamingo is standing there.

696
00:35:54.920 --> 00:35:56.559
<v Speaker 6>I didn't notice that. That's hilarious.

697
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.239
<v Speaker 2>What in retrospect, though, what was interesting for me is

698
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.199
<v Speaker 2>this was literally my first exposure to the music of

699
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 2>sly Stone. I didn't I may have had some vague

700
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.519
<v Speaker 2>understanding of some of the big hits like dance to

701
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:13.639
<v Speaker 2>the music, but it's just so fucking funny to see

702
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.400
<v Speaker 2>them come out there and do thank you for letting

703
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:19.400
<v Speaker 2>me be myself again. These Essentially they're at a cookout

704
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.320
<v Speaker 2>and they get zapped into Pee Wee's house to do

705
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.119
<v Speaker 2>this musical spotlight tribute.

706
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:28.159
<v Speaker 5>I thought it was, oh fucking fantastic. Yeah, I again

707
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.760
<v Speaker 5>didn't appreciate how funny this whole thing was, and did

708
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:35.480
<v Speaker 5>not appreciate how formative it was, because, like you said,

709
00:36:36.039 --> 00:36:38.920
<v Speaker 5>I was predisposed to love sly in the family Stone

710
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:40.599
<v Speaker 5>after exposure here.

711
00:36:40.639 --> 00:36:43.199
<v Speaker 2>And Pee Wee is doing the backing vocals and he's

712
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:45.719
<v Speaker 2>chiming in and it's really funny the things that he's

713
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 2>piping in and doing the whole thing.

714
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:04.360
<v Speaker 1>Music.

715
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:11.360
<v Speaker 4>The music there, it's along and it kinda like a

716
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:16.320
<v Speaker 4>short ever been on the rent? One more in rent,

717
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:34.239
<v Speaker 4>but no one, no, thank you. Let me bear myself, okay, let.

718
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:36.440
<v Speaker 1>Me do myself to.

719
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.039
<v Speaker 4>Stop yah yah yeah, yeah yeah yah yah yeah yeah.

720
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:57.639
<v Speaker 2>I just I don't know how you conceive of those

721
00:37:57.760 --> 00:37:59.519
<v Speaker 2>characters in this context.

722
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:01.280
<v Speaker 6>Oh fucking funny.

723
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:05.119
<v Speaker 5>Mister and missus Jelly donut this. And then as they're

724
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:08.280
<v Speaker 5>leaving by the way, they passed Captain Carl, who just

725
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:12.920
<v Speaker 5>starts like get out of my way music. We eventually

726
00:38:12.920 --> 00:38:16.280
<v Speaker 5>got to Peewee's Playhouse, but I wish it was peopled

727
00:38:16.320 --> 00:38:19.480
<v Speaker 5>a little bit more with the original residence of puppet Land,

728
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:21.119
<v Speaker 5>because these people are great.

729
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I was surprised that they didn't make an appearance in

730
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:26.960
<v Speaker 2>the revival. I was hoping this because I thought, what

731
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.639
<v Speaker 2>are they going to spot like this time it would

732
00:38:28.639 --> 00:38:31.920
<v Speaker 2>be some other weird band from the sixties. But no,

733
00:38:32.480 --> 00:38:34.599
<v Speaker 2>that's the one feature that I was sorely lacking.

734
00:38:35.039 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, but I guess as kids, we could dispense with this.

735
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 5>And then when they revived it, they thought, well, did

736
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:42.559
<v Speaker 5>anyone actually respond to it? Yes, we did, pee wee.

737
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 6>It was so offbeat. I don't know.

738
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to really pin down exactly why I find

739
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:51.119
<v Speaker 2>it so compelling or back then found it compelling, But

740
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:52.679
<v Speaker 2>it was and it made an impression.

741
00:38:52.880 --> 00:38:55.599
<v Speaker 5>You know what else made an impression? The pin cushion Man,

742
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:00.480
<v Speaker 5>the scourge of land so.

743
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 9>Hate me, they hate me, tickles me the way they

744
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:10.679
<v Speaker 9>rate me always. That's the reason I have.

745
00:39:11.960 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 8>Oh I stop them when I pop them.

746
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:18.519
<v Speaker 6>Those cartoons are whack.

747
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:24.639
<v Speaker 5>So that cartoon would reappear two years later in Get Crazy.

748
00:39:24.719 --> 00:39:26.920
<v Speaker 5>It's the cartoon that they show to the audience to

749
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:28.599
<v Speaker 5>calm them down in between acts.

750
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.000
<v Speaker 2>Ah, so it must have been like like royalty free. Yeah,

751
00:39:32.079 --> 00:39:35.000
<v Speaker 2>public domain. Yeah, it the thing I was reminded of.

752
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:38.920
<v Speaker 2>You won't necessarily make the same association, but it reminded

753
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.800
<v Speaker 2>me of the cartoons that play throughout the movie skinnemer Rink.

754
00:39:42.119 --> 00:39:44.519
<v Speaker 2>That the kids are watching these awful, like you said,

755
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>public domain cartoons that are just looping, And for some reason,

756
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:49.639
<v Speaker 2>I think of that when I think of these cartoons.

757
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:51.880
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's crazy. I used to wonder as a

758
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:55.480
<v Speaker 2>kid because there's that. And then there's the public service

759
00:39:55.519 --> 00:39:56.679
<v Speaker 2>thing about mister Bungle.

760
00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:59.920
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's an educational film and it's called Beginning response

761
00:40:00.039 --> 00:40:03.679
<v Speaker 5>'s Ability lunch Room Manners. But is the story of

762
00:40:03.719 --> 00:40:07.119
<v Speaker 5>mister Bungle. Eventually giving us that fucking stupid band's name.

763
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:09.119
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I'm not a fan either.

764
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.840
<v Speaker 5>A boy ran past their table. You shouldn't run in

765
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.480
<v Speaker 5>the lunch room. Only mister Bungle would do that.

766
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:19.519
<v Speaker 2>But what I used to wonder as a child is

767
00:40:19.559 --> 00:40:25.119
<v Speaker 2>are these actual authentic movies from the fifties and cartoons

768
00:40:25.119 --> 00:40:27.599
<v Speaker 2>from the fifties or is this something that in their.

769
00:40:27.440 --> 00:40:28.519
<v Speaker 6>Brilliance they could produce.

770
00:40:28.559 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 2>Because people are laughing throughout all of this, especially the

771
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:34.400
<v Speaker 2>mister Bungle thing, like they're just having a great old

772
00:40:34.440 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>time with it.

773
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.400
<v Speaker 6>But I guess these are the genuine article, right.

774
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.000
<v Speaker 5>I believe the pincushion Man is probably from the forties.

775
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:43.880
<v Speaker 5>Just from the animation style, I would say that's probably

776
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:47.719
<v Speaker 5>the nineteen forties. But that is definitely from nineteen fifty nine,

777
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.400
<v Speaker 5>an educational film that was shown to students, probably these

778
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.440
<v Speaker 5>very people. Like I said, it is like a sort

779
00:40:54.440 --> 00:40:57.039
<v Speaker 5>of a nostalgic trip through all of the worst or

780
00:40:57.119 --> 00:41:00.800
<v Speaker 5>lowest aspects of culture from the late fifties early sixties.

781
00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:04.119
<v Speaker 2>It's simply brilliant the way this all is packaged as

782
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:08.039
<v Speaker 2>this sort of variety show starring this at the time,

783
00:41:08.519 --> 00:41:12.159
<v Speaker 2>a crazy character of Peewee Herrman. I just it's it's

784
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.519
<v Speaker 2>brilliant that these are real serious comedy minds. I guess

785
00:41:15.639 --> 00:41:17.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't even know how you how you begin to

786
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:19.840
<v Speaker 2>come up with a show like all the Facets.

787
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:22.800
<v Speaker 5>You got people like Adie McClure willing to come in

788
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 5>and do three lines and then run out.

789
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.840
<v Speaker 6>She was from People would know her Grace from Ferris Bueller.

790
00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:32.880
<v Speaker 6>They think he's a righteous dude.

791
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:37.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and she's also she manning the rental car desk

792
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:41.199
<v Speaker 5>in planes, trains and automobiles. You're fucked, that's true.

793
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:43.519
<v Speaker 6>Her character was Hermit Hattie.

794
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:46.320
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, she's also the voice of Clockey.

795
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.840
<v Speaker 6>Oh no kidding. I didn't know that either. Wow. Which

796
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:50.119
<v Speaker 6>she must have been a groundling too.

797
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:53.599
<v Speaker 5>Huh, Absolutely she was. Who else was a groundling? Tito

798
00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:58.400
<v Speaker 5>Lariva We mentioned Hammy earlier. Tito Lariva is an interesting motherfucker.

799
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 2>He That was the biggest shock, And I talked to

800
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.480
<v Speaker 2>you about this when I was starting to watch this,

801
00:42:03.960 --> 00:42:07.840
<v Speaker 2>because Hammy is fairly incidental character in this. He shows

802
00:42:07.880 --> 00:42:09.800
<v Speaker 2>up at the beginning, they do the bit with the

803
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:13.360
<v Speaker 2>shoe mirrors and that's pretty much it. But when I

804
00:42:13.360 --> 00:42:15.559
<v Speaker 2>looked him up to find out that This is the

805
00:42:15.599 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 2>same Tito from the band Tito and Tarantula, I think

806
00:42:20.639 --> 00:42:23.760
<v Speaker 2>is how you pronounced it properly. This is basically for

807
00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:27.639
<v Speaker 2>a while this was Robert Rodriguez, the filmmaker, his house band, right.

808
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:30.199
<v Speaker 6>He did the music for Desperado.

809
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:34.159
<v Speaker 5>They're in for l on, they're the fucking They're the band.

810
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 6>That's true. He's he is in Desperado.

811
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>I think he's in the scene where Boucemi comes and

812
00:42:40.400 --> 00:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>lays out the legend of the Mariachi.

813
00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 6>I think he's in the bar too.

814
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:49.599
<v Speaker 5>By the way, he eventually got to Tito and Tarantola,

815
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.239
<v Speaker 5>But at this time he was in the Plugs, which

816
00:42:53.280 --> 00:42:55.320
<v Speaker 5>is a fucking seminal la punk band.

817
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:59.679
<v Speaker 6>No kidding, the Plug Really, he's the vocals for the Plugs.

818
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 6>I didn't know that. That's I'm learning a lot today.

819
00:43:02.599 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 5>Bottom alone, this is the episode you've been waiting for.

820
00:43:05.480 --> 00:43:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you this, Like I said, it was a

821
00:43:06.920 --> 00:43:10.039
<v Speaker 2>long time coming, but it's But what's the connection there?

822
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Like you said, was he also he was a Groundling Lariva.

823
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:18.480
<v Speaker 5>At one point in the seventies. The Groundlings had something

824
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:19.960
<v Speaker 5>like ninety members.

825
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 2>I just never would have made the connection to this

826
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:26.960
<v Speaker 2>sort of Confederate of Robert Rodriguez to connect him back

827
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:27.760
<v Speaker 2>to the groundling.

828
00:43:27.960 --> 00:43:31.599
<v Speaker 5>He went to Yale. Oh I'm sorry. Tino de Riva

829
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:36.880
<v Speaker 5>snuck into Yale for a full term and was eventually

830
00:43:36.960 --> 00:43:37.599
<v Speaker 5>kicked out.

831
00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 2>Tell me that guy's written a book, tell me he's

832
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:40.920
<v Speaker 2>written a memoir.

833
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 5>I don't get in touch with him. What a fucking

834
00:43:43.400 --> 00:43:44.159
<v Speaker 5>interesting human.

835
00:43:44.800 --> 00:43:47.679
<v Speaker 6>Wow, Yeah, totally. I just it's weird. Again.

836
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:50.400
<v Speaker 2>It's a small fucking world to think that he was

837
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:51.960
<v Speaker 2>in this Yeah for.

838
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:55.559
<v Speaker 5>One scene when he's so goofy, he really committed to

839
00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:57.559
<v Speaker 5>playing a nine year old boy.

840
00:43:58.199 --> 00:44:02.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, him in the because I watched a few performances

841
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:08.880
<v Speaker 2>Tito and Tarantula or Tarantula, and they're a pretty heavy, bluesy,

842
00:44:09.400 --> 00:44:12.920
<v Speaker 2>aggressive band, and Hammy is anything. But Hammy is just

843
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:15.840
<v Speaker 2>this kid that kind of pokes his head into the

844
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:17.039
<v Speaker 2>playhouse and then leaves.

845
00:44:17.199 --> 00:44:18.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't know, it's funny.

846
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.480
<v Speaker 5>And laughs with his mouth fall makes me want to

847
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:21.719
<v Speaker 5>punch him in the fade.

848
00:44:22.760 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 6>He's always got that ham sandwich. That's why they call

849
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.280
<v Speaker 6>him Hammy.

850
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:27.599
<v Speaker 5>It's basically his whole life.

851
00:44:27.679 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 6>That's true. Marty Calender, though some of his stuff was

852
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:31.159
<v Speaker 6>gonna leave it.

853
00:44:31.400 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 5>Marty Marty Calender. Was he the puppet guy. No, it's

854
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:35.800
<v Speaker 5>a different guy I'm thinking of.

855
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.320
<v Speaker 2>It might be, but he did direct both the show

856
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.719
<v Speaker 2>and the revival, which I thought was interesting. And he

857
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:44.480
<v Speaker 2>also he was like a big stand up director. He

858
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:47.760
<v Speaker 2>did like specials for Red Fox and George Carlin.

859
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:48.480
<v Speaker 6>And Robin Williams.

860
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:52.039
<v Speaker 2>But he really made a real name for himself in

861
00:44:52.159 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 2>music videos. He did We're Not going to Take It

862
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:57.360
<v Speaker 2>by Twisted Sister. That was Marty Kallner. He did videos

863
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>for Hollan Oates, Pat Benattar.

864
00:44:59.480 --> 00:44:59.920
<v Speaker 6>Interesting.

865
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.320
<v Speaker 5>That makes sense, then why Twisted Sister showed up in

866
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:04.360
<v Speaker 5>Pee Wee's Big Adventure.

867
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:05.320
<v Speaker 6>Everything connects?

868
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.719
<v Speaker 5>Dang it, we're solving everything agent.

869
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:11.719
<v Speaker 2>We need one of those boards with the yarn the

870
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.159
<v Speaker 2>threads that go. Okay, he's connected here, but he worked here.

871
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:17.119
<v Speaker 6>It all connects. It's crazy.

872
00:45:17.400 --> 00:45:19.559
<v Speaker 5>Mister Knucklehead. By the way, is the name of that

873
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 5>that gator that Phil Harmon played. It was my second

874
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.679
<v Speaker 5>favorite character in the show, And turns out he's Mailman

875
00:45:25.760 --> 00:45:29.639
<v Speaker 5>Micros partner the Gauitar May tar Oh, please would you

876
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:31.159
<v Speaker 5>wait till life inst the question? Please?

877
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:32.199
<v Speaker 6>I did love ma'lmon.

878
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:34.239
<v Speaker 2>You're right though you're right on the money with Mailbow

879
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:34.760
<v Speaker 2>that guy is.

880
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.320
<v Speaker 5>I think we're basically at the end there where Peewee

881
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 5>gets his wish because he wishes for he wishes for

882
00:45:40.440 --> 00:45:42.400
<v Speaker 5>them to be in love, but they were already in love,

883
00:45:42.400 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 5>so he's going to get his wish anyway. In one

884
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:47.519
<v Speaker 5>of the greatest visual effects of all time, Pee Harmon

885
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:49.440
<v Speaker 5>flies the.

886
00:45:49.440 --> 00:45:50.880
<v Speaker 6>Original in the original show.

887
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.320
<v Speaker 2>The effect is great because it's he's not even wearing

888
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:55.760
<v Speaker 2>the same outfit that he's worn through the whole show,

889
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.159
<v Speaker 2>like they put him in something different.

890
00:45:57.400 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 6>It's essentially a harness that his head.

891
00:45:59.639 --> 00:46:03.960
<v Speaker 2>Fits that makes it look like he's flying proportionally hang

892
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:05.320
<v Speaker 2>a little body, big head.

893
00:46:05.360 --> 00:46:09.119
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and he's got little arms on sticks in front

894
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:12.440
<v Speaker 5>of him that he's manipulating and in an all black environment,

895
00:46:12.519 --> 00:46:15.360
<v Speaker 5>it looks like big headed person lying around the room.

896
00:46:16.119 --> 00:46:19.719
<v Speaker 2>But he deploys those arms like several times, very effective.

897
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Like at one point, like the lyric goes, I'm so

898
00:46:21.920 --> 00:46:26.400
<v Speaker 2>much luckier than and he's pointed the fake arm to

899
00:46:26.519 --> 00:46:29.559
<v Speaker 2>like the camera. It's just it's really funny, but it's

900
00:46:29.559 --> 00:46:32.840
<v Speaker 2>sweet though, like the fact that he does get his wish.

901
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 2>He is a boy who can fly. That's effectively the

902
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:37.239
<v Speaker 2>end of the show.

903
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:38.480
<v Speaker 6>It's beautiful Sweet.

904
00:46:38.920 --> 00:46:41.800
<v Speaker 5>They released a vinyl record of this anyone.

905
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Like an audio version or the songs from.

906
00:46:44.400 --> 00:46:47.280
<v Speaker 5>A vinyl one sided hand silk screen picture disc.

907
00:46:47.719 --> 00:46:49.199
<v Speaker 6>I would love to check that out. That was a

908
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:50.320
<v Speaker 6>big thing for a while.

909
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Audio like there was a record of Johnny Carson's Greatest

910
00:46:54.559 --> 00:46:57.400
<v Speaker 2>Hits which was just basically bits from his It's not

911
00:46:57.480 --> 00:46:59.559
<v Speaker 2>totally surprising, but I'd love to see.

912
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 5>Here are the track listings, Pee Wee's Playhouse, The Good

913
00:47:02.760 --> 00:47:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Morning Song, A Sailor's Life, Most Beautiful Woman in pumpet Land,

914
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.039
<v Speaker 5>Ballad of Hermit Hattie rubbed the top of Jombi's box.

915
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:13.519
<v Speaker 5>I gotta be I gotta go be by myself, call

916
00:47:13.559 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 5>me mister Bungle. He's gonna get his wish, luckiest boy

917
00:47:16.840 --> 00:47:18.960
<v Speaker 5>in the world. And then volare Peewee.

918
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:19.760
<v Speaker 6>Let's start to.

919
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.119
<v Speaker 2>Track this fucking record. Pey Herman originally released in one

920
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.079
<v Speaker 2>vinyl twelve inch. It's short, It's only twelve minutes.

921
00:47:26.480 --> 00:47:29.519
<v Speaker 5>The songs are only a minute long. They're just basically transitions.

922
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:31.840
<v Speaker 6>It does feature mister HP.

923
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:32.679
<v Speaker 5>What have we learned.

924
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.599
<v Speaker 2>Here's one of the things I've learned, Baba Blone, is

925
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:39.800
<v Speaker 2>that We've done a few shows now about live productions

926
00:47:39.880 --> 00:47:42.440
<v Speaker 2>that are broadcast on cable TV, and we've beat up

927
00:47:42.480 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 2>on a lot of them. This is the rare case

928
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:48.079
<v Speaker 2>where I think this is this is such a good

929
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:50.639
<v Speaker 2>The material is great, the production is great, the direction

930
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.840
<v Speaker 2>is spot on. This is an example of one of

931
00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:58.280
<v Speaker 2>these productions done. I think this live production on cable TV,

932
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:03.360
<v Speaker 2>and this expose the character no pun intended, of pee

933
00:48:03.360 --> 00:48:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Wee Herman to so many more people than would have might.

934
00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:11.119
<v Speaker 6>Have actually run across. He would have been a star regardless, let's.

935
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Be honest, but this certainly primed the pump for many people,

936
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 2>including myself, who would not have heard of him otherwise

937
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.360
<v Speaker 2>until Peewee's Big Adventures. I think this was a resounding

938
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.800
<v Speaker 2>success as far as cable box theater is concerned.

939
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:27.960
<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, Paul Rubens was going to be a big star,

940
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:32.000
<v Speaker 5>not necessarily pee Wee Herman if this thing hadn't aired

941
00:48:32.039 --> 00:48:34.320
<v Speaker 5>on HBO. I don't think we were going to get

942
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 5>pee Wee's Big Adventure or pee Wee's Playhouse or Peee anything.

943
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:40.920
<v Speaker 5>We were just going to get Paul Rubin's character actor.

944
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:42.679
<v Speaker 5>Oh that guy, I love him. He shows up on

945
00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 5>such and such sometimes that's what it would have been.

946
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.559
<v Speaker 5>So this is the perfect example of the power behind

947
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:53.440
<v Speaker 5>the cable box theater. This led to all those other things,

948
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 5>and this was what they should have been doing anyway,

949
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.360
<v Speaker 5>which is, don't go to fucking Kokomo Joe's how to

950
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:04.519
<v Speaker 5>watch the fucking wait until dark? Like, why are we

951
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:07.840
<v Speaker 5>filming that that thing that's already a movie. Go find

952
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:10.960
<v Speaker 5>the underground shit that's going on in every major metropolitan

953
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:12.000
<v Speaker 5>city and film that.

954
00:49:12.760 --> 00:49:15.760
<v Speaker 2>It really felt, I mean, in retrospect now watching an adult,

955
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:17.840
<v Speaker 2>if I had seen this as an adult for the

956
00:49:17.880 --> 00:49:20.880
<v Speaker 2>first time, it would have felt like, I know, this

957
00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>cool sort of to your point, underground show that I

958
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>don't know it. It really captured the live experience I

959
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:32.960
<v Speaker 2>think of watching, not that I've seen the show live,

960
00:49:33.480 --> 00:49:37.639
<v Speaker 2>but watching it, it felt like you were part of

961
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.119
<v Speaker 2>this experience and it felt really special. And that's a

962
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:45.760
<v Speaker 2>quality that it's not easy to capture on a videotaped

963
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.760
<v Speaker 2>live performance, but they, by god, they did it.

964
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:51.960
<v Speaker 5>Whodos to everyone involved? My god, if p me Herman

965
00:49:52.039 --> 00:49:54.440
<v Speaker 5>from those movies and that TV show and the recent

966
00:49:54.559 --> 00:49:58.960
<v Speaker 5>Netflix movies and whatever and have never seen this, what

967
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.119
<v Speaker 5>the hell are you waiting for it's free. It's available

968
00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.320
<v Speaker 5>right now. My god, it's pee wee Herman. Here's where

969
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 5>it all came from.

970
00:50:04.559 --> 00:50:05.199
<v Speaker 6>What can I say?

971
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:08.599
<v Speaker 2>This was a pleasure watching this, rediscovering this after so long.

972
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:10.800
<v Speaker 5>This all right, Well, we're gonna I don't know what

973
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:13.280
<v Speaker 5>our next episode is going to be about, but it's

974
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:16.199
<v Speaker 5>gonna be not as good as this one, at least

975
00:50:16.199 --> 00:50:16.559
<v Speaker 5>for us.

976
00:50:17.360 --> 00:50:19.519
<v Speaker 6>It's gonna suffer by comparison.

977
00:50:18.960 --> 00:50:21.239
<v Speaker 5>For sure. We're going we'll be feeling the pain after

978
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:22.000
<v Speaker 5>such a elation.

979
00:50:22.719 --> 00:50:25.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you can't, you know what, You can't appreciate

980
00:50:25.360 --> 00:50:27.039
<v Speaker 2>the good if you can't delve into the bad.

981
00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.920
<v Speaker 5>That is true. But until we do get there, HP,

982
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:31.000
<v Speaker 5>where can people find you?

983
00:50:31.039 --> 00:50:33.360
<v Speaker 6>If they're looking, you can find me elsewhere.

984
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:36.559
<v Speaker 2>On the week, I co host the Night Mister Walters

985
00:50:36.599 --> 00:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>Taxi podcast with my esteemed co host Father Alone. I

986
00:50:41.320 --> 00:50:45.519
<v Speaker 2>host the Noise Junkies podcast that's a music podcast. I

987
00:50:45.519 --> 00:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>am also an occasional guest on The Culture Cast with

988
00:50:48.079 --> 00:50:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Chris Dasher and I have a band camp site for

989
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:55.280
<v Speaker 2>those interested that HP music play so at bandcamp dot com.

990
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:58.119
<v Speaker 2>I just released a new album called Wired and Waiting

991
00:50:58.280 --> 00:51:03.079
<v Speaker 2>for fans of eighties unreleased movie soundtrack stuff that could

992
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.280
<v Speaker 2>sounds like old John Claude Bandamn movies. You've come to

993
00:51:06.280 --> 00:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>the right place.

994
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.360
<v Speaker 6>Check it out. Yeah, so that's where I'm at.

995
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:11.639
<v Speaker 5>I'd say there's a step above genrevies.

996
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:12.480
<v Speaker 6>I try.

997
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.119
<v Speaker 5>I think that music is good. I don't think John

998
00:51:15.199 --> 00:51:18.440
<v Speaker 5>convand movies are as for me. Where to find me?

999
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:20.639
<v Speaker 5>I'm right here if you want to follow me on

1000
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:24.239
<v Speaker 5>socials at Father Malone, on all of them. Really until

1001
00:51:24.280 --> 00:51:26.639
<v Speaker 5>next time. Thank you for joining us at Cable Box Theater.

1002
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.840
<v Speaker 5>I don't have a sign off still HB. That'll do it.

1003
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:40.960
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, word go what I wanna go. I wanna do

1004
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 9>what I Wantwis.

1005
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:48.039
<v Speaker 4>Playhouse, that's the place for me.

1006
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:55.880
<v Speaker 9>Man show me away, a god away when I want to.

1007
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:57.440
<v Speaker 4>Get in my way.

1008
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:10.440
<v Speaker 10>Peewis play House, that's the place I'll be. Wen what

1009
00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:18.119
<v Speaker 10>a snazzy guypy we hear and makes all those young

1010
00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:24.840
<v Speaker 10>chicks cry.

1011
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:43.800
<v Speaker 6>We oh, Lauren, now with me? Were we.

1012
00:52:45.599 --> 00:52:46.800
<v Speaker 4>Talking about them?

1013
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.840
<v Speaker 2>Did we talk?

1014
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:54.679
<v Speaker 6>I'm talking about my mempie talking

1015
00:52:57.199 --> 00:53:00.320
<v Speaker 1>Sew and I