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Speaker 2: Today.
Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show Charlie Robinson.
Speaker 1: He is an author, researcher, and host of Macro Aggressions
Speaker 1: and co host of Day Zero. All right, Charlie, thank
Speaker 1: you so much for having me over. This is going
Speaker 1: to be wonderful. Let's start with how did you get
Speaker 1: started with podcasting and really what opened your eyes to
Speaker 1: some of the things happening that we're not really told
Speaker 1: on the up and up.
Speaker 2: Well, it started when I read John perkins book Confessions
Speaker 2: of an Economic hit Man in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 2: It opened me up to the money component of the scam.
Speaker 2: I knew nine to eleven was not what it appeared
Speaker 2: to be, but I didn't understand how the money worked.
Speaker 2: And when I read his book, he explained the concept
Speaker 2: of debt slavery. Where a country would would be approached
Speaker 2: by John Perkins and the group he worked for, which
Speaker 2: was kind of like a Haliburton type multinational engineering firm.
Speaker 2: They tell him, you've got the great topography here to
Speaker 2: build a dam. They would say, you know, it'll cost
Speaker 2: you X number of billions of dollars, but don't worry
Speaker 2: about that. The IMF and World Bank have that all
Speaker 2: set up for you. They'd build this power plant, it
Speaker 2: would start generating revenue, but never enough to really pay
Speaker 2: off the debt, and they'd fall behind in their payments.
Speaker 2: And then John Perkins would approach him and say, listen,
Speaker 2: you know you owe this. You owe these guys a
Speaker 2: lot of money. But I think we can work it out.
Speaker 2: You can maybe privatize your lumber industry and sell it
Speaker 2: to our friends, or you can vote our way in
Speaker 2: a UN resolution, or let the US build a military base.
Speaker 2: There's some some horrible deal that the country didn't want
Speaker 2: to get involved in. But it occurred to me that
Speaker 2: while I was reading this book, the same thing was
Speaker 2: happening in Las Vegas, where I was working in real estate.
Speaker 2: That we were extending loans to people that had no
Speaker 2: business getting a loan for a house, and then when
Speaker 2: they fell behind, the banks were going to take back
Speaker 2: tangible assets. They were going to take back this home,
Speaker 2: just like they were doing it in John Perkins's life.
Speaker 2: And I just had this epiphany, like, holy shit, this
Speaker 2: is this is how it's done. You know, these banks
Speaker 2: are extremely dangerous, and it never occurred to me how
Speaker 2: the banks played a role in the whole thing. I
Speaker 2: knew that the military was dangerous, and knew that they
Speaker 2: were obviously bombing Afnistan in Iraq, and all these wars
Speaker 2: were horrible, but I didn't understand how it was all
Speaker 2: being financed. And once I woke up to that, I
Speaker 2: got in. I started to go down the rabbit hole
Speaker 2: of understanding about the Federal Reserve, FIAT currencies, how that
Speaker 2: system works, how you know the United States is so
Speaker 2: you know, in such a huge deficit, and how they
Speaker 2: planned to never really pay the debt back. And when
Speaker 2: I started to look at that, that led me down
Speaker 2: the rabbit hole. And after years and years of research,
Speaker 2: I wound up deciding that I was going to write
Speaker 2: a book because it seemed like the one thing that
Speaker 2: I could do. So I compiled this book called The
Speaker 2: Octopus of Global Control. It came out in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: It has seven hundred quotes from five hundred different people
Speaker 2: that had like a front row seat to how the
Speaker 2: world really works. Bush's, Clinton's, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, all the usual scumbags.
Speaker 2: But also I brought in sort of a funny side.
Speaker 2: I had Joe Rogan and Bill Hicks and George Carlin
Speaker 2: and the quotes of how they saw the world, and
Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting way to kind of
Speaker 2: punctuate the topics I was talking about. And then you
Speaker 2: would hear you would read a quote from somebody and
Speaker 2: it would you would say, Oh, my god, I can't
Speaker 2: believe they said that. I never saw I never heard
Speaker 2: about that on the nightly news. And it painted a
Speaker 2: much different picture of how this world is controlled. And
Speaker 2: so when I I put that out in August of
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen and went out to promote the book wherever
Speaker 2: I could, podcast, radio, television, and I got lucky early on.
Speaker 2: I got on coast to coast and that was a
Speaker 2: huge deal to me. The book sales started and I
Speaker 2: went out promoting the book even more, and after that
Speaker 2: it wound up leading me into doing a podcast. Actually
Speaker 2: had done so many interviews I was on one side
Speaker 2: of the table. I decided to go on the other
Speaker 2: side of the table. Tony Merkle helped out with that.
Speaker 2: He made it possible. And on March in March of
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, right when the pandemic kicked off, macroaggression started
Speaker 2: and that sort of really got me turbocharged into this
Speaker 2: industry of not just writing about these things, but also
Speaker 2: talking about them as well.
Speaker 1: Right on in twenty twenty was an extremely important and
Speaker 1: pivotal year. So much has changed then. Did you think
Speaker 1: that we would be where we're at whenever you started
Speaker 1: to first see some of the COVID narratives at play.
Speaker 1: Did you think that the world would have changed as
Speaker 1: quickly as it did and we would be sitting where
Speaker 1: we are?
Speaker 2: Well? I hoped not, But I also understood that once
Speaker 2: the media is involved and they start the promotion process,
Speaker 2: that all bets are off. And we started to see
Speaker 2: these characters that were elevated in status, Fauci and Burks
Speaker 2: early on, and I got a bad feeling about it.
Speaker 2: You know, everyone was panicked. The videos were coming out
Speaker 2: of China, Chinese people just falling, face planting and things that,
Speaker 2: and it seemed very scary. And Americans, you know, listen,
Speaker 2: we've always got to have an invisible enemy that we're
Speaker 2: scared of, whether it be you know, Arab hijackers that
Speaker 2: are just around the corner, or a virus that's going
Speaker 2: definitely going to kill you. And I started to feel
Speaker 2: like it felt very unnatural what they were telling us
Speaker 2: to do. You know, we had just been in Mexico,
Speaker 2: at in Arcopolco a couple of weeks earlier, and the
Speaker 2: world was totally normal there. And then and then we
Speaker 2: then we get back, I get back home, and things
Speaker 2: change really quick. And and it the problem that I
Speaker 2: had was that it seemed very coordinated. Every even though
Speaker 2: there was a lot of commotion and uncertainty, the narrative
Speaker 2: remained the same, which was do what the government says,
Speaker 2: do what the media tells you to do, trust the science,
Speaker 2: and and and we'll get through this two weeks to
Speaker 2: flatten the curve, which we all knew was nonsense. And uh.
Speaker 2: And I had a conversation with James Corbett early on
Speaker 2: two weeks into it, and he said he discussed the
Speaker 2: possibility of medical marcial law. You know, he said, forget
Speaker 2: tanks on the corner. He says, what if they had
Speaker 2: medical marcial law where it wasn't it wasn't this overt
Speaker 2: stay in your house or you'll get shot. It was
Speaker 2: stay in your house or if you go outside, you'll die.
Speaker 2: And he was speculating on that, right and and but
Speaker 2: he was right. That's what it turned out to be
Speaker 2: and you you got the feeling that you were a prisoner.
Speaker 2: And then and then and then the insanity started. Then
Speaker 2: then the stand on the dot, you know, six feet
Speaker 2: away from the person in front of you, and go
Speaker 2: down this direction, down the grocery store aisle, but you
Speaker 2: can't go to the other direction, and you're definitely gonna die.
Speaker 2: And and then everyone started with the you know, are
Speaker 2: you trying to kill grandma? And I started I recognized
Speaker 2: this as as psychological conditioning, and I wound up getting
Speaker 2: into the work of Yuri Besmanov, a firm Firmer KGB
Speaker 2: agent who who talked about talked openly in the late
Speaker 2: seventies and early eighties with with our mutual friend G.
Speaker 2: Edward Griffin about the process of demoralization, psychological manipulation and
Speaker 2: breaking people's brains. And once you watch those videos, which
Speaker 2: are hilarious to watch because they're all in their seventies attire,
Speaker 2: you know, they look pretty ridiculous, but they're talking about
Speaker 2: things they're very relevant now, about how you can control
Speaker 2: population through fear, and how if you subject people to
Speaker 2: six weeks of NonStop negative information, you will break their
Speaker 2: brains and if and if you do that to a
Speaker 2: person or a group of people, no amount of information
Speaker 2: after that will change them, will change them back. Meaning
Speaker 2: once once they're broken, they're broken forever, which is the
Speaker 2: reason why you still see people wearing masks in their
Speaker 2: car by themselves as they're driving around. These are people
Speaker 2: that are psychologically traumatized and will never be the same.
Speaker 2: So I started to see a lot of In fact,
Speaker 2: I started to see a lot of the same overlap
Speaker 2: between what we saw with nine to eleven happening with COVID,
Speaker 2: which was which was this very unnatural, almost compelled belief
Speaker 2: in the media and the government, And those are two
Speaker 2: institutions that I deeply am distrustful of. So when you're
Speaker 2: told to trust in that and and they're not allowing
Speaker 2: any sort of alternative explanation, they're not allowing this, you know,
Speaker 2: the alternative media to speak anybody that's contrarian wasn't just silenced,
Speaker 2: they were they were demized. They were told that they
Speaker 2: were killing people by speaking out against this. And when
Speaker 2: when I hear you know that the herd is all
Speaker 2: going one direction, I get instantly suspicious. So so I
Speaker 2: saw a lot of the similarities. You know, you're either
Speaker 2: with us or you're with the terrorists. You're either gonna
Speaker 2: you're either going to lock down or you're killing grandma,
Speaker 2: these sort of If you're not this, then you're that
Speaker 2: bad thing. It felt very artificial to me and I
Speaker 2: think to a lot of people. So we recognized it
Speaker 2: and and it turned into well, it's turned into what
Speaker 2: it is now, which is, you know, some people will
Speaker 2: never allow themselves to admit that they were they were
Speaker 2: manipulated by lives and other people. It. You know, it's
Speaker 2: quite obvious now. I think for for a lot of
Speaker 2: us in the alternative media, we recognize it immediately, but
Speaker 2: for others it took a little longer. And you know,
Speaker 2: there's some people that are in that vesement off camp.
Speaker 2: They're broken. They're never going to figure it out. They're
Speaker 2: always gonna want they're always going to go get the
Speaker 2: next booster. They're always going to wear their mask because
Speaker 2: they're they're they're doing their part and they're saving humanity,
Speaker 2: but they're not. They're just believing, they're just believing lies.
Speaker 1: At this point, what's happening right now has so many layers,
Speaker 1: and there's so many pieces of this, and it is
Speaker 1: so compartmentalized. The right hand does what the left hand
Speaker 1: is doing when it comes to authority in this but
Speaker 1: what we're seeing now, it's so hard to describe and
Speaker 1: explain to people the layers of Agenda Z that we're
Speaker 1: seeing and the ultimate desired outcome for some of these.
Speaker 1: It's extremely convolutioned, especially when you get to the occult
Speaker 1: aspects and some of the darker nefarious things. There are
Speaker 1: different layers like depopulation. There is the social credit slave
Speaker 1: system layer, then you have the transhuman layer, you have
Speaker 1: the climate change. It all fits together in certain ways,
Speaker 1: but whenever you're trying to explain to someone how it does,
Speaker 1: it can be difficult. How are you doing that.
Speaker 2: Well? One great resource is actually the World Economic Forum's
Speaker 2: website weiforum dot org. You can go there and you
Speaker 2: can see how it all blends together. They have a
Speaker 2: plan for the year twenty thirty. It's Agenda twenty thirty.
Speaker 2: It's set up by the United Nations in partnership with
Speaker 2: the World Economic Forum, And if you start there and
Speaker 2: work your way backwards, you'll it'll start to make a
Speaker 2: lot more sense. On their website, they have a wheel
Speaker 2: that connects all of these various agendas together, so they're
Speaker 2: pushing for something called the Fourth Industrial Revolution. Now, the
Speaker 2: first Industrial revolution was like steam power. It was like
Speaker 2: the wheel, and then it went to steam power, and
Speaker 2: then it became you know, computer chips and silicon wafers,
Speaker 2: and that was the Third Industrial Revolution. And now they're
Speaker 2: saying it's ready for humanity is ready for the Fourth
Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution, and that is the blending of man with
Speaker 2: machine into what they call transhumanism. Now, for people that
Speaker 2: aren't paying attention, they might assume that transhumanism just means
Speaker 2: that they're going to get you know, termed bionic. Somehow,
Speaker 2: they're going to have improved you know, retinal implants so
Speaker 2: that they can see further or see things, or you know,
Speaker 2: some sort of alteration to their body that's going to
Speaker 2: benefit them and make them a little bit better in actuality.
Speaker 2: What humanism means is it comes from that term was
Speaker 2: developed by Sir Julian Huxley in nineteen fifty seven, and
Speaker 2: it was a rebranding of the term that they'd been
Speaker 2: using all along, called eugenics. He was the president of
Speaker 2: the British Eugenic Society, and eugenics is the study of depopulation.
Speaker 2: It is the thinning of the herd so that you
Speaker 2: can improve the stock. Now, they talk about this with
Speaker 2: regard to animals, and it's seen as a noble endeavor,
Speaker 2: but they've turned this and weaponized it against the people.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people don't understand that when the
Speaker 2: World Economic Forum is talking about the Fourth Industrial Revolution transhumanism,
Speaker 2: that what they're actually talking about is depopulation. They don't
Speaker 2: understand how that works. And I think that one of
Speaker 2: the best ways to show that, or to compare it,
Speaker 2: would be to think about the genetically modified food industry.
Speaker 2: When you take a look at a tomato, tomatoes can't
Speaker 2: be patented. They're organic, they're natural, they come from God
Speaker 2: of that type. You can't own a tomato. You can
Speaker 2: grow them and you can sell them, but you can't
Speaker 2: own a patent on a tomato. But if you change
Speaker 2: a tomato, if you make it one deviation less tomato,
Speaker 2: make it a genetically modified tomato. Now legally it is
Speaker 2: not the same as a tomato. And because of that,
Speaker 2: you can own it. You can own the seeds for it,
Speaker 2: you can own the patent on it. And that's what
Speaker 2: companies like Syngenta and Monsanto do with genetically modified foods.
Speaker 2: Now they take that concept of genetically modifying an organism
Speaker 2: like a tomato, and just put that on top of
Speaker 2: and overlay that on human beings. Genetically modified people no
Speaker 2: longer technically people. They're one deviation away, which means that
Speaker 2: you can patent license, do whatever you want with them,
Speaker 2: maybe even own them, maybe even remove rights from them.
Speaker 2: So when you're talking about moving people into a world
Speaker 2: of the Fourth Industrial Revolution, a transhuman world, what you're
Speaker 2: doing is you're making them legally no longer human beings.
Speaker 2: And that gives me the creeps because the wrong people
Speaker 2: are in charge of this program, and if they have
Speaker 2: their way, they're going to get to a point where,
Speaker 2: because you've injected mRNA technology into in the form of vaccines,
Speaker 2: you are no longer a biological, pure human being. You
Speaker 2: are now partially synthetic, and because of that, well, maybe
Speaker 2: the rights afforded to you no longer apply one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: This has been going on also for a very long time.
Speaker 1: This is something else that's been a long time in
Speaker 1: the making. It started by giving us gmo food the pharmaceuticals.
Speaker 1: Now they're integrating what they're doing doing with the of
Speaker 1: course the mRNA vaccine and vaccines in general. But now
Speaker 1: they're targeting children and youth in a new kind of
Speaker 1: way to where it's okay to be not only a
Speaker 1: man or one, but anything you want in reality, and
Speaker 1: this is the new ideology that they're pushing. And for me,
Speaker 1: I don't care what you do as a grown adult,
Speaker 1: as a consenting adult behind closed doors whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 1: But when you're targeting children, that is where I draw
Speaker 1: the line.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people do. Yeah, it's be
Speaker 2: whatever you want to be. If you're it's up to you.
Speaker 2: As long as you're not hurting anybody else, none of
Speaker 2: my business. But the problem is when you target kids.
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about transhumanism, now we're talking about transgenderism.
Speaker 2: There is most definitely an agenda, a push to make
Speaker 2: people no longer what they are, or to instill in
Speaker 2: them a belief that they are somehow born in the
Speaker 2: wrong body. Now, this happens in nature from time to time,
Speaker 2: but it's not at the percentage rate that it's happening
Speaker 2: right now. It's definitely an agenda. Reminds me of David
Speaker 2: Ike saying you can tell it's the agenda when it
Speaker 2: was nowhere, and then all of a sudden, it's everywhere,
Speaker 2: and it is most definitely everywhere. It's artificial, and it
Speaker 2: feels very unnatural. The push into this. It's starting earlier,
Speaker 2: tranny drag, queen story time for five year olds, starting
Speaker 2: to get kids used to and comfortable with the idea that,
Speaker 2: you know, six foot five woman looking cartoonish character is
Speaker 2: going to read to them. And it seems like this
Speaker 2: agenda is trying to convince kids to be confused about
Speaker 2: what they are and who they should be and who
Speaker 2: they can be. We're starting to see a push to
Speaker 2: even add on passports, not just male female, but other
Speaker 2: and and I wonder, you know, if if this isn't
Speaker 2: tied into the transhuman agenda, because again, if you're no
Speaker 2: longer a male or female, you're something else, well, do
Speaker 2: you qualify anymore? Are you? Do you have legal rights anymore?
Speaker 2: Are they? Is this something that is being baked in
Speaker 2: where you know, we do understand that they take a
Speaker 2: long term approach to these agendas, so it doesn't have
Speaker 2: to happen overnight, but I can envision a couple of
Speaker 2: generations from now where they've done such a good job, well,
Speaker 2: horrible job, I guess, technically of convincing people that they
Speaker 2: are no longer a man or a woman. You've got
Speaker 2: Supreme Court justices getting interviewed in congressional hearings being asked,
Speaker 2: you know, can you define a woman? And they're saying, no,
Speaker 2: I can't define a woman, and we're supposed to pretend
Speaker 2: like that's normal or that that's somehow acceptable. It's unacceptable.
Speaker 2: Of course we recognize this, but again, the the media
Speaker 2: push and the social media uh push as well, is
Speaker 2: trying to seek to normalize this, that it is stunning
Speaker 2: and brave if you can't just define what a woman is.
Speaker 2: But in actuality, it's it's a it's nonsense. I think
Speaker 2: we we recognize that we know what a woman is,
Speaker 2: a biological female human being. It's very simple. There's no
Speaker 2: there's no gray area here, and yet they're trying to
Speaker 2: convince you to that there's a gray area. It gets
Speaker 2: me back into the the uribezment of things. You know,
Speaker 2: if they can convince you to not believe your own eyes,
Speaker 2: they've got you. They've broken you, and and the younger
Speaker 2: they get you into that, the more compliant you become. Also,
Speaker 2: you know, look, the the Fourth Industrial Revolution is global communism.
Speaker 2: That's that's it's the sales pitch for global communism. And
Speaker 2: one of the things that the communists really enjoyed and
Speaker 2: sort of it was sort of part of what they
Speaker 2: wanted to do, was they wanted to disassociate children from
Speaker 2: the family. And if you can, if you can convince
Speaker 2: kids that they don't need a family, if you can
Speaker 2: convince them that the state is their family, then you've
Speaker 2: got them, you know, in the House of Representatives. In
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen they got busy with actually, i think it
Speaker 2: was twenty twenty one, they changed a law making it
Speaker 2: banning certain words from being used in Congress. Those words,
Speaker 2: you know, not the F word, not the words that
Speaker 2: you might think. The words that were banned were mother, father, brother, sister, grandma, grandpa, uncle.
Speaker 2: They're about thirty different words used to describe a family.
Speaker 2: You're not allowed to say that. You're not allowed to
Speaker 2: use those words in Congress anymore. What they're trying to
Speaker 2: do is they're trying to destroy the ways in which
Speaker 2: you describe a family, because if you can't describe a family,
Speaker 2: then pretty soon the family unit goes away and that's
Speaker 2: part of this push as well, is to destroy the
Speaker 2: family unit and replace it with the state. And that's
Speaker 2: what the Communists always did. That's where we're going, that's
Speaker 2: where we're getting in with these especially with the Democratic Party,
Speaker 2: with the Democratic Socialists. These are this is another name
Speaker 2: for Fabian socialists, and these are people who's whose motto
Speaker 2: or whose logo was a turtle because they are tortoise.
Speaker 2: They move very slowly, and their coat of arms was
Speaker 2: a wolf in sheep's clothing because they were something that
Speaker 2: they wanted to pretend to be something that they actually
Speaker 2: were not. So I'm very distrustful of this agenda because
Speaker 2: it's it's it's moving slowly and trying to remove the
Speaker 2: family and remove mother and father and all the things
Speaker 2: that kids need when they're growing up to figure out
Speaker 2: how to identify themselves and figure out how they're going
Speaker 2: to fit into society, and instead they're being confused, they're
Speaker 2: having their head scrambled. The transgender community is facing over
Speaker 2: fifty percent of them on the last survey I read,
Speaker 2: have complated suicide. You've got states like California saying nineteen
Speaker 2: percent of transgender youth have attempted suicide. So this is
Speaker 2: inconsistent with meant with clear mental health. This is really
Speaker 2: doing damage that probably we won't be able to quantify
Speaker 2: or measure for the next twenty years.
Speaker 1: And all this can fall under a certain category that
Speaker 1: we're calling woke nowadays. We used to call it politically correct,
Speaker 1: but it's something it's morphed into something much worse now
Speaker 1: and this is something they started rewarding being woke in
Speaker 1: certain ways with things like ESG scores for certain companies.
Speaker 1: Talk a little bit about your thoughts on this and
Speaker 1: how danger oh.
Speaker 2: I mean, back when it was politically incorrect to say
Speaker 2: some things, you know, it was just you might get
Speaker 2: people might look at you funny. Now you're fired. Now
Speaker 2: you won't be able to participate in social media. The
Speaker 2: ESG scores Environmental, Social and Governance, this is the social
Speaker 2: credit system for corporations. This is how they are They're
Speaker 2: getting a different score. You and I might get a
Speaker 2: credit score to determine whether or not we're a good
Speaker 2: risk for lending money to They are going to get
Speaker 2: an ESG score, And what that means is that if
Speaker 2: their corporation acts in a way that is better for
Speaker 2: the environment and socially and sustainably run, and their governance,
Speaker 2: meaning their boards of directors in their top level management
Speaker 2: are more of a representation of all of the colors
Speaker 2: of the rainbow. Then their score goes up. And if
Speaker 2: they are lacking in having the right number of uh,
Speaker 2: you know, one legged Hispanic midgets on their board, then
Speaker 2: they then their score goes down. And and this is
Speaker 2: behavior modification on a corporate level. And then on top
Speaker 2: of that, the Biden administration has opened up massive pools
Speaker 2: of money to corporations that are essentially woke, that that
Speaker 2: have a high enough ESG score, they're going to be
Speaker 2: able to tap into this money to use or investments,
Speaker 2: and other companies that don't align with this crazy ideology
Speaker 2: will not have access to that. So they're definitely rigging
Speaker 2: the playing field a little bit here because they want
Speaker 2: this ideology of of of wokeness to infect the corporations
Speaker 2: and then from that to sort of top down force
Speaker 2: it onto onto the rest of the public. This is
Speaker 2: the reason why you see corporations like Anheuser Bush run
Speaker 2: that bud Light campaign with doing vany the guy who
Speaker 2: is LARPing as a female in these three hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty five days of girlhood and this which you know
Speaker 2: rightly in the past we would have institutionalized a person
Speaker 2: like that. But now they've got a million dollars worth
Speaker 2: of sponsorship deals. They've got a deal with a Plaza
Speaker 2: Hotel showing the new Eloise suite and talking about how
Speaker 2: great it is to be a six year old girl,
Speaker 2: never mind the fact that he's a thirty year old man.
Speaker 2: And now you're starting to get into real pedophile territory here.
Speaker 2: All of this stuff is normalized. They call it stunning
Speaker 2: and brave, but in actuality it's not. It's part of
Speaker 2: a much deeper agenda to roll in a credit system,
Speaker 2: a social credit system in which your score is predicated
Speaker 2: on how well you comply with the dictates that are
Speaker 2: being handed down, and these dictates are getting increasingly more
Speaker 2: and more bizarre, where you have to you know, you
Speaker 2: can't acknowledge, you know, you have to say that there's
Speaker 2: three there's got to be three bathrooms, and you have
Speaker 2: to agree that that there's one hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 2: different genders and that and that gender is a social construct,
Speaker 2: and all these things that go against reality. You have
Speaker 2: to now believe in them, and for your soon to
Speaker 2: be social credit score, which is being today in as
Speaker 2: we speak, to allow you to continue to live in society.
Speaker 2: Your social credit score is too low, you can't get
Speaker 2: a you can't get a you can't get on the bus,
Speaker 2: you can't get on an airplane in China, in Shenzhen, China.
Speaker 2: If your score is too low, you can't get on
Speaker 2: a train, you can't get to work, you might not
Speaker 2: even have a job. So all of these this is
Speaker 2: behavior modification through insane, woke policies. And some people get
Speaker 2: it and some people don't, but everybody's going to be
Speaker 2: forced to deal with it and not And this isn't
Speaker 2: in the scientific future. This is happening. This is all
Speaker 2: part of Agenda twenty thirty. So it's going to be
Speaker 2: rolled out within the next five years, and people better
Speaker 2: be prepared for it now.
Speaker 1: If it were up to the mainstream media, they'd have
Speaker 1: us believe that everybody's on board with these agendas, that
Speaker 1: the majority of the people are participating and not only participating,
Speaker 1: but happy as a clan with everything that's going on,
Speaker 1: that the Blue States are the majority here and even
Speaker 1: when you travel across the country, Yes, the cities are
Speaker 1: where you'll see much of the woke communities, But just
Speaker 1: travel from here to California, there's nothing there. And if
Speaker 1: you go into the some of the smaller towns, they're
Speaker 1: not into some of this stuff. So the media would
Speaker 1: have us believe that the mentally ill are the majority here,
Speaker 1: but I think that it's a lot different than they
Speaker 1: would portray. I think a lot of people have not
Speaker 1: only woken up to this, but are in non participation
Speaker 1: and much more aware than they would have. Many people think,
Speaker 1: what do you think about.
Speaker 2: That, Well, this is a Western situation. This is not
Speaker 2: happening in most parts of the world. They're not on
Speaker 2: board with this, they're not participating in it. This is targeted,
Speaker 2: especially at the United States, and when you take a
Speaker 2: look at things like the you know, like the percentage
Speaker 2: of transgendered people as a proportion of what you see
Speaker 2: on television, what you see on television and what you
Speaker 2: see on social media, and now what you're seeing in
Speaker 2: the advertising, you would have people would would think, I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe thirty percent of the population's trans in actuality,
Speaker 2: it's er point six percent of the population of the
Speaker 2: United States is actually transgendered. This is, but they're getting
Speaker 2: a disproportionate amount of publicity, which means that it's being
Speaker 2: manufactured because it's not proportionate to the representation out in
Speaker 2: the public. The Blue States, the Blue cities, mostly the
Speaker 2: Los Angeles, San Francisco, New York, Chicago, Philly, Washington, d C.
Speaker 2: These places are having a lot of the traffic on this.
Speaker 2: They are of the belief that that's America. Those cities
Speaker 2: are the representation of America that they call the rest
Speaker 2: of the country. Flyover states, you know, meaning when you're
Speaker 2: flying from New York to LA you're just flying over
Speaker 2: all these people that are just a bunch of hillbillies
Speaker 2: that don't know any better. But in actuality, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of America doesn't have an appetite for this,
Speaker 2: and you're starting to see some pushback. You're starting to
Speaker 2: see television programming that's not being watched, movies that are
Speaker 2: coming out that aren't being viewed, ideology that's being pushed.
Speaker 2: NHL is pushing, you know, we're going to have in
Speaker 2: warm ups where you know, teams are going to wear
Speaker 2: LGBT different you know, sweaters, you know, for jerseys, for
Speaker 2: for pregame and a bunch of the players are like, no,
Speaker 2: we're not doing that. In the NHL canceled it because
Speaker 2: there wasn't an appetite. There is something to get woke
Speaker 2: go broke. We're starting to see that with Netflix. Netflix
Speaker 2: lost four hundred billion dollars of market cap because of
Speaker 2: their push to normalize things like QDs, which was by
Speaker 2: all accounts, child porn on their on their platform. We
Speaker 2: saw Twitter get get hammered with outright allocation allegations of
Speaker 2: child porn and being rempant there. You're starting to see
Speaker 2: a lot of people being silenced by video platforms that
Speaker 2: are critical of this woke ideology. And it's it's coming
Speaker 2: to a head where where the conservative groups that that
Speaker 2: only want to have their children left alone are starting
Speaker 2: to have to fight back and speak up about this.
Speaker 2: And you're starting to see things like, you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna shut down these gender clinics that are
Speaker 2: specifically targeting kids. If you're an adult, do what you
Speaker 2: want to do. But that I think where you know,
Speaker 2: people are are very passive in the United States as
Speaker 2: opposed to places like Frame. They will go burn down
Speaker 2: Black Rock. Good for them, you know, and the Dutch
Speaker 2: farmers that are literally spraying manure all over the police
Speaker 2: like they're uprising and protesting. And it's great to see that,
Speaker 2: but in America we're very reserved and calm and that
Speaker 2: and very subdued. But I'll tell you what, there is
Speaker 2: a line in the sand that these people are going
Speaker 2: to find, and that is when you start to target children.
Speaker 2: The Conservatives aren't going to sit back and take that,
Speaker 2: and they're going to vote with their dollars. They're going
Speaker 2: to make their voices heard. They're going to come out
Speaker 2: and start to protest these things and really get out
Speaker 2: in the streets I think at some point. But until then,
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to have an uphill fight against
Speaker 2: the mainstream media, which has this this ability to take
Speaker 2: something that is very small and make it appear very
Speaker 2: large and important when in actuality, it's just a handful
Speaker 2: of of of people that are in some form of
Speaker 2: mental illness and and and LARPing about being some other
Speaker 2: gender that are really uh, you know, their voices are
Speaker 2: elevated because because they're part of the plan, and part
Speaker 2: of the plan is to confuse and destabilize America from
Speaker 2: the inside. And I would say they're they're at the
Speaker 2: current rate they're going, they're doing a pretty good job,
Speaker 2: but they're they're going to face a very angry conservative
Speaker 2: group I think in the future if they continue with
Speaker 2: the targeting of children, and that will end poorly.
Speaker 1: Now we all have to have the invisible enemy. It
Speaker 1: was terrorism for a while, and then we had COVID.
Speaker 1: Of course, now we have the the Ukraine War and
Speaker 1: this is a This is one of those that I
Speaker 1: don't think enough people are getting behind to that we
Speaker 1: would ever be pushed to have a conflict there, a
Speaker 1: major conflict. But they are definitely trying to get us
Speaker 1: on board with this, and this is just another one
Speaker 1: of those operations, I believe, because we have to have
Speaker 1: this invisible enemy. But what are your insights into what's
Speaker 1: going on behind this?
Speaker 2: Well, the American Empire is desperate to stay relevant and
Speaker 2: Russia has always been a convenient boogeyman for them. They
Speaker 2: have a problem with Russia. They feel that if Russia,
Speaker 2: you know, Russia and China together, that's a dangerous combination.
Speaker 2: So they already destroyed the Soviet Union in in nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety one, and you know, things started to fall apart
Speaker 2: once the breakup of the Soviet Union happened, but Russia
Speaker 2: was never really went away. It never went away as
Speaker 2: a as a country that America had on its radar
Speaker 2: for destruction. And what we want now with this Ukraine
Speaker 2: conflict is nothing short of money laundering and a make
Speaker 2: work program for the weapons industry. You know, the Lockheed
Speaker 2: Martin is making more money than they could ever possibly
Speaker 2: imagine by having to rebuild, you know, make more missiles
Speaker 2: and make more bombs so that America can send them
Speaker 2: to Ukraine to fight this enemy, the big bad Russians. Well,
Speaker 2: in actuality, you know, the American media would have you
Speaker 2: believe that this was an unprovoked attack. That's the term
Speaker 2: whenever you talk about the Ukraine Russia conflict. It's always right,
Speaker 2: you know, an unprovoked attack by the Russians. Well, in actuality,
Speaker 2: it was most definitely provoked. It had been provoked starting
Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen when Valerie Neulan regime changed the Yankovich
Speaker 2: in Ukraine and they replaced him with a leader that
Speaker 2: was more friendly to the United States, and then they
Speaker 2: started on that process of arming and training Ukraine for
Speaker 2: eventual showdown with Russia. Not that America would have it
Speaker 2: the showdown, but Ukraine would be the proxy for that.
Speaker 2: And when you start to build up to wars, you
Speaker 2: get a lot of money flowing through, and when you
Speaker 2: get a lot of money flowing into a region, a
Speaker 2: lot of it goes missing. And we've got Joe Biden
Speaker 2: on record saying that he demanded that the prosecutor be
Speaker 2: fired the guy that was looking into Burisma, the company
Speaker 2: that his crack addicted son was grifting money from, and
Speaker 2: set it on camera. It wasn't even hiding. Then we've
Speaker 2: got a situation that happens once the war kicks off.
Speaker 2: We get the Nordstream pipeline blowing up, and again, once
Speaker 2: again you've got Joe Biden on camera saying we will
Speaker 2: take it out. It will not happen. If they get
Speaker 2: that up and running at the Nordstream I pipeline and
Speaker 2: Russia invade Ukraine, we will, we will take care of it.
Speaker 2: The reporter followed up and said how will you do that,
Speaker 2: and he said, you just watch, We'll do it. And
Speaker 2: then you've got the same thing new on on camera
Speaker 2: as well, saying the North Stream pipeline will fail. If
Speaker 2: you know, we will. We will make sure that it
Speaker 2: is taken out if Russia invade Ukraine and then what
Speaker 2: do you know, the pipeline just up and blows up,
Speaker 2: and then they all start pointing fingers at everybody else.
Speaker 2: But you know, look, if we're dragging suspects down to
Speaker 2: the police station to interview them, it's America, okay, motive
Speaker 2: opportunity on video multiple times sent they are going to
Speaker 2: do it, and then it happens. That is not just
Speaker 2: active war against Russia, that is an active war against Germany,
Speaker 2: which is crazy because Germany is a part of NATO,
Speaker 2: so is the United States, and the rules for NATO
Speaker 2: are if any one NATO country gets attacked, all NATO
Speaker 2: countries have to join in the fight against the attacker. Well,
Speaker 2: in this case, Germany, a NATO country, was technically attacked
Speaker 2: by America, another NATO country, and and Germany's playing this
Speaker 2: game where they're just looking the other way and saying,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's must have been, you know, must
Speaker 2: have been climate change that that blew up this this
Speaker 2: this pipeline in the in the bottom of the Baltic Sea.
Speaker 2: You know, just I don't know what could have possibly
Speaker 2: done it, but it certainly wasn't America. You know, they're
Speaker 2: acting like they're being hostage. So we're playing this dangerous
Speaker 2: game where America is intentionally provoking a nuclear armed country
Speaker 2: in Russia and acting in ways that are very belligerent
Speaker 2: and and of course at the same time, you've got
Speaker 2: the media whipping the American public up into a frenzy
Speaker 2: where they have to support Ukraine. No matter what, I
Speaker 2: have to stand with Ukraine. They have to. Got U
Speaker 2: two is doing concerts in the in the subway down there,
Speaker 2: they're doing interviews with with I don't know god, who
Speaker 2: knows all the all the major celebrities have taken tours there.
Speaker 2: We've got Lensky when beer and all these things as
Speaker 2: even though he's a coked up lunatic. Again, much like COVID,
Speaker 2: itels very artificial and very stage managed and fake. And
Speaker 2: again you're only supposed to feel one way. You can
Speaker 2: only stand with Ukraine. The minute you say I don't
Speaker 2: I want to feel somewhere else, then there's this social pressure,
Speaker 2: social media pressure, media censorship, all of the attack dogs
Speaker 2: come after you. And again it makes it back to ike.
Speaker 2: You know, how can you tell when it's the agenda?
Speaker 2: It's everywhere? Well, standing with Ukraine became everywhere. It became
Speaker 2: a motto in America. We have to give as many
Speaker 2: you know, we'll give them whatever we need. Flint, Michigan
Speaker 2: still doesn't have clean drinking water. But I'll be damned
Speaker 2: if we're going to deny Zelenski another another ten billion
Speaker 2: dollars that he needs to do. Gauz what. So we've
Speaker 2: got problems there that we're not we're not being honest
Speaker 2: about in the media. But again that's what the media does.
Speaker 2: They lie. They are not there to actually tell you
Speaker 2: what's going on there, to sell you a version of
Speaker 2: reality that the American Empire needs you to believe in
Speaker 2: so that you never question their motive and you never
Speaker 2: question their ethics, because if you did, what you would
Speaker 2: find is that the American Empire is the actual terrorist
Speaker 2: organization in this whole equation.
Speaker 1: We're in extremely interesting times right now, and I thought
Speaker 1: for sure climate change would have been the next big agenda,
Speaker 1: but it seems that they are moving different directions, different
Speaker 1: psychological operations, either Chinese by balloons or UFOs, and strange
Speaker 1: enough that UFOs has been mentioned in the mainstream media.
Speaker 1: It's okay for pilots talk about it. It's been a
Speaker 1: topic of discussion lately, which I believe personally is another
Speaker 1: psychological operation to roll out something in the future or
Speaker 1: an excuse for something else. But what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: with those things going on?
Speaker 2: Well, there's no way that you would ever trust what
Speaker 2: the mainstream media was telling you to believe. And the
Speaker 2: idea that they're going to that the Pentagon at some
Speaker 2: point is going to get honest about the UFO story,
Speaker 2: I think is probably wishful thinking. At this point, they've
Speaker 2: invested so much money in trying to discredit anybody that
Speaker 2: even thinks about UFOs as being a real, real topic.
Speaker 2: It seems to me like this is just another limited hangout.
Speaker 2: They're going to allow you to be aware of some
Speaker 2: component of this of Witlwannan in our skies, but not others.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, if you saw a stealth bomber in
Speaker 2: the eighties without knowing what it was, that's a UFO,
Speaker 2: you know, as far as I'm concerned. So it makes
Speaker 2: me think that they're probably close to unveiling or at
Speaker 2: least declassifying some sort of technology that they've always had
Speaker 2: for a long time, that they're going to sort of
Speaker 2: roll out. I don't, you know, I'm always very skeptical
Speaker 2: when the you know, when they strit to change the
Speaker 2: terminology went from UFO to UAP, you know, and Hillary
Speaker 2: Clinton is on Jimmy Kimmel talking about it. Bill Clinton's
Speaker 2: on talking about it, and Obama's on there talking about it,
Speaker 2: and they're all like, well, you know, you know, I
Speaker 2: can't tell you what I saw in the UFO files
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And they make light of it,
Speaker 2: and it's a big joke. Yeah, well yeah, it's except
Speaker 2: that I think it's funny. I think that this has
Speaker 2: been a component of the US military industrial complex for
Speaker 2: a long long time. It's driven a ton of money
Speaker 2: into those black projects the you know, listen, Keithrin, Austin
Speaker 2: Fitz and Mark Skidmore did a great investigation into the
Speaker 2: missing twenty one trillion dollars the Department of Defense and
Speaker 2: hud have you know, have acknowledged, according to their books,
Speaker 2: has gone missing. That's only two of the seventeen federal
Speaker 2: agencies that they could be looking at. But of course
Speaker 2: they changed in the process of doing this. The government
Speaker 2: got wind of their investigations and changed the accounting reports.
Speaker 2: Something called fasby fifty six, which makes it so that
Speaker 2: these federal agencies don't even have to report their accounting
Speaker 2: to anybody. It just all gets blacked out. So now
Speaker 2: you'll never know how much money has gone missing. Their
Speaker 2: speculation fits and skidmore is that that money has been
Speaker 2: pumped into the secret space program. So if that is
Speaker 2: the case, then there's some technology that's being financed right
Speaker 2: now that we are not privy to that will probably
Speaker 2: be you know, the the UFO cover story that the
Speaker 2: media runs will will will obscure what's actually going on
Speaker 2: through you know, raytheon luckeyed Martin in the big industrial
Speaker 2: builders of airplanes, and and I think it's going to
Speaker 2: be just another bit of you know, look this way,
Speaker 2: not that, not that way, and and and look at
Speaker 2: the Chinese spy balloon, and look at the you know,
Speaker 2: let's listen to the pilots and let's have them go
Speaker 2: on Rogan and let's have them talk about all this
Speaker 2: stuff and get you looking one way, but definitely not
Speaker 2: at the one hundred plus trillion dollars that are that's
Speaker 2: alleged to have leaked out of America and gone into
Speaker 2: some of these black projects and then of course you can.
Speaker 2: You can look into the work that Daniel List has
Speaker 2: done over at Dark Journalist and the Extradegonography. He's got
Speaker 2: one hundred and thirty plus episodes talking about some of
Speaker 2: the secret space programs and how this this isn't something
Speaker 2: this is this goes back to the forties and fifties,
Speaker 2: and how they've been planning and working with these things,
Speaker 2: these these ship designs. And then it brings into this
Speaker 2: this sort of like more unusual and occult component, which
Speaker 2: is how are they getting this information about what they're building.
Speaker 2: You get Jordi Rose from d Waves saying that he's
Speaker 2: using their quantum computer to open up parallel dimensions, get
Speaker 2: information from beans and dragging it back in, and you go, okay,
Speaker 2: so now what are we doing. Are we getting the
Speaker 2: blueprints to the new line of secret space fighters from
Speaker 2: aliens somewhere? You know? I mean, if you listen to
Speaker 2: these guys, they are talking about gathering information from unusual places.
Speaker 2: So the whole thing's fascinating. I'll tell you one thing
Speaker 2: I do know for certain is that when the mainstream
Speaker 2: media tells you what the story is, guaranteed that'll be
Speaker 2: a lie.
Speaker 1: One hundred yeah, man, we're living in incredible times. There's
Speaker 1: so much going on. Do you think that there is
Speaker 1: any way that we can I don't think we can
Speaker 1: reverse anything, but made shift the trajectory that we're headed
Speaker 1: into something more positive. There's talk of looming financial crashes.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know anything about if you
Speaker 1: know much about crypto and the possibilities of maybe being
Speaker 1: able to help offselves out of this situation with something
Speaker 1: like that, I don't know, what do you think?
Speaker 2: Well, for sure, we're moving into a new era and
Speaker 2: there's gonna be a tremendous amount of opportunities. The idea
Speaker 2: of a banking collapse scares me for two reasons. One,
Speaker 2: it's going to be messy and a lot of people
Speaker 2: are going to get hurt, that's for sure. The people
Speaker 2: that understand how banking collapses work know that most of
Speaker 2: them are engineered. They're made to happen. But there's a there.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you can kind of get away from it and
Speaker 2: it gets away from from the controllers and it can
Speaker 2: collapse on its own if if there's enough momentum. My
Speaker 2: biggest fear with regard to a banking collapse isn't so
Speaker 2: much the banking collapse itself. It's that the United States
Speaker 2: would find it necessary to distract from a potential banking
Speaker 2: collapse by starting World War three. And when you start
Speaker 2: to when you go back to the reasons for these
Speaker 2: massive wars, they're always to distract from something else, and
Speaker 2: usually it's it's it's from a financial collapse that's on
Speaker 2: its way. And now all of a sudden, we're talking
Speaker 2: about dropping bombs and and we're not talking about why
Speaker 2: the market went haywire. And and then you get into
Speaker 2: that very Rumsfelden line of thinking where you just say, well,
Speaker 2: you know, mistakes were made. Yes, the the financial system collapse,
Speaker 2: but you know, and that's because World War three. You know,
Speaker 2: we were in World War three and things happened and
Speaker 2: and and we'd have to remake society. So I think
Speaker 2: there's going to be opportunities for people in the wake
Speaker 2: of this. There is a financial collapse coming. It's it's
Speaker 2: just the mathematical certainty. At this point. You've got too
Speaker 2: many banks with interlocking dependency on each other through the
Speaker 2: derivatives bets that they've got. Now it's now the number
Speaker 2: I've heard, the last number I've heard is two quadrillion
Speaker 2: dollars of derivative bets with each other. So it's a
Speaker 2: bet on a bet, and it's big banks betting each
Speaker 2: other that I bet this will go up, and they say, well,
Speaker 2: I bet it'll go down. I'll take that bet. Now,
Speaker 2: if you have one of the one of the players
Speaker 2: in there, like Deutsche Bank, which is on its last leg,
Speaker 2: and they collapse, then all of the bets that maybe
Speaker 2: that you your bank had with Deutsche Bank, even if
Speaker 2: you were going to win these bets because you were
Speaker 2: on the right side of them, it doesn't matter. You're
Speaker 2: a loser now because you can't collect from that bank
Speaker 2: because that bank is dead. So when that bank goes down,
Speaker 2: all of their bad debts now become your problem, and
Speaker 2: then your problem becomes my problem, and then my problem
Speaker 2: becomes the other bank's problem, and they all go down.
Speaker 2: So this is what we talked about in the In
Speaker 2: the second book I wrote with Jeff Berwick called the
Speaker 2: Controlled Demolition of the American Empire, that the canary and
Speaker 2: the coal mine is Deutsche Bank. You watch that bank.
Speaker 2: When that bank goes down. It's connect to so many
Speaker 2: not just other banks, but governments and industries that depend
Speaker 2: on them. And also, you know, just regular old people
Speaker 2: that have their money in those banks. There's not going
Speaker 2: to be enough liquidity there to help those people out,
Speaker 2: and when that bank goes down, it's going to pull
Speaker 2: everyone else down. I think when you talk about crypto
Speaker 2: as an alternative, well, the media will tell you that
Speaker 2: CBDCs central bank digital currencies, that's just crypto, right, Well,
Speaker 2: it's digital money, but it's not crypto. It's not bitcoin.
Speaker 2: Bitcoin is much different than that, and bitcoin has a
Speaker 2: fixed supply of twenty one million, or at least it
Speaker 2: will when it's all built out, and that handles things
Speaker 2: a little bit differently. They will try to confuse the
Speaker 2: two and get you to believe that central bank digital
Speaker 2: currencies and bitcoin are the same thing. I'll tell you
Speaker 2: that the real problem in accepting though I like the
Speaker 2: idea of bitcoin and monarrow and these these coins that
Speaker 2: have limited supplies, the problem with central bank digital currencies
Speaker 2: is that the architecture of them is such that they're programmable.
Speaker 2: And that means that the people at the central banks,
Speaker 2: who are already the worst people in the world, they're
Speaker 2: now going to have the ability to program the money
Speaker 2: that's in your wallet. So if just imagine, if you
Speaker 2: had one hundred dollars bill in your wallet, you could
Speaker 2: go spend it wherever you wanted, buy whatever whatever you
Speaker 2: needed with it, and there'd be no record of it,
Speaker 2: no transaction history, no ledger or nothing. But a central
Speaker 2: bank did currency. Everything will be tracked. They'll know what
Speaker 2: you've got in your bank account, they'll know where you
Speaker 2: spend it, how you spend it, what you spend it on.
Speaker 2: If you get on the wrong side of them with
Speaker 2: a poor social credit score, they'll start turning off your
Speaker 2: options on where you can spend it. Maybe you can
Speaker 2: only spend it at the company store, meaning the corporations
Speaker 2: that are tied to the World Economic Forum, those big companies,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, say, well, your money works here,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't work at the small lumber store down
Speaker 2: the street, because you know, they're just not part of
Speaker 2: this big network. So I have fears about the programmability
Speaker 2: of the central bank digital currencies, not just them where
Speaker 2: you can spend it, but back to the World Economic Forum.
Speaker 2: They one of their mottos is you'll own nothing, and well,
Speaker 2: part of the reason why you'll own nothing is because
Speaker 2: they can set your central bank digital currencies to expire.
Speaker 2: They just set it so that you can never save.
Speaker 2: You know, you make two thousand you you know, fed
Speaker 2: coins a month and and it's set that a thousand
Speaker 2: of them will will just evaporate in ninety days and then,
Speaker 2: you know, and so so you can never really get ahead.
Speaker 2: You can never really save. The reason why I say
Speaker 2: you'll own nothing, You'll have no money. You'll just have
Speaker 2: barely enough to You'll be living week to week on
Speaker 2: what you can buy. So Uber and Lyft will be
Speaker 2: your transportation partners. No surprise that the CEOs of both
Speaker 2: of those companies are a world economic forum, young global leaders.
Speaker 2: So they'll create the idea of the fifteen minute city.
Speaker 2: You have any need to go any further than that,
Speaker 2: you won't have any money to buy an airplane. Beat
Speaker 2: not that you'd be allowed on an airplane, because you know,
Speaker 2: your carbon output score would be too high for that.
Speaker 2: So they've got a control system set up. And the
Speaker 2: currency component, I think is the most dangerous one. So
Speaker 2: we if people can can somehow understand the idea of
Speaker 2: having money in your banking account, it isn't really yours
Speaker 2: that the government can watch every aspect of they can
Speaker 2: see everything you spend it on and manage your spending
Speaker 2: so that you know you're at the grocery store or
Speaker 2: buying too much hamburger meat. Every month, all of a
Speaker 2: sudden they decide, well, listen cows or you know, they're
Speaker 2: too much methane coming out of cows, and you're buying
Speaker 2: too much hamburger meat. Now, next time you go to
Speaker 2: the checkout aisle, you go to use your your credit card,
Speaker 2: which is tied into your social credit score, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it just doesn't work. You can't you're
Speaker 2: going to have that big Fourth of July barbecue at
Speaker 2: your house. You can't. You've exceeded your allotment of red
Speaker 2: meat because it's bad for the environment. So all of
Speaker 2: these things that sound like science fiction now will be normalized,
Speaker 2: and under the guise of saving the planet, under the
Speaker 2: guise of saving Grandma from COVID or or whatever the
Speaker 2: agenda of the day is, they'll use that to modify
Speaker 2: your behavior so that you are eating the bugs even
Speaker 2: though you most definitely never intended to and still don't
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: So one of the most dangerous things I see happening
Speaker 1: right now is the rebranding of domestic terrorism and the
Speaker 1: fact that they're targeting us now as the dmesistic terrorists.
Speaker 1: It's a trickle down effect. It started with people like
Speaker 1: Alex Jones, David Ike being banned from how many, however
Speaker 1: many countries, Alex Jones being ordered to pay ridiculous amounts
Speaker 1: of money, and it has a trickle down effect. And
Speaker 1: we now I'll have targets on our head. Depending on
Speaker 1: what we are looking at, some of the things that
Speaker 1: we're pointing out, and depending on what we're talking about
Speaker 1: and bringing lights to, we could be in very big trouble.
Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of us are in
Speaker 1: these waters that we could be considered in the near
Speaker 1: future domestic terrorists.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, according to the Patriot Act, the homeland is
Speaker 2: the battlefield and we are on the homeland. So if
Speaker 2: you are a terrorist operating on the homeland here in America,
Speaker 2: then you have no rights. Now, all the administration needs
Speaker 2: to do is label you as a domestic terrorist, a
Speaker 2: broad term that could mean just about anything. It could
Speaker 2: mean it could mean someone that is actually planting bombs,
Speaker 2: but it could also mean somebody that is planting ideological bombs,
Speaker 2: you know. And all they have to do is put
Speaker 2: that designation on you, and you have no rates you
Speaker 2: are as you might as well be one of the
Speaker 2: fictional nineteen Arab hijackers with box cutters as far as
Speaker 2: they're concerned, because you would be disappeared, You could be
Speaker 2: without any sort of representation because again you're not an
Speaker 2: American citizen anymore. You're a terrorist on the homeland.
Speaker 1: And all it takes is just disagreeing with the narratives.
Speaker 2: Disagreeing with the narratives. Think of it like the red
Speaker 2: flag laws for buying guns. Somebody that doesn't like you says,
Speaker 2: I think that this person is mentally ill. I think
Speaker 2: this person is unstable, and they put that designation on you,
Speaker 2: and next thing you know, the police are, you know,
Speaker 2: barging down, knocking your door off the hinges to come
Speaker 2: in and get you because they've got to report that
Speaker 2: you're an unstable individual with a gun. So again, this
Speaker 2: would just be an unstable individual with an idea, and
Speaker 2: that could be enough to get you put on some
Speaker 2: sort of watch list or disappeared, you know, And and
Speaker 2: look the idea that they would just come to your
Speaker 2: house and take you away and drag you to guantanamo.
Speaker 2: Obey It's probably pretty rare, but what they could do.
Speaker 2: You go to a school board meeting to protest because
Speaker 2: they're trying to teach your first grader that you know,
Speaker 2: they're trying to read you know, my my two mommies
Speaker 2: to your first grader and and trying to and they've
Speaker 2: got drag creaen story hour every Thursday. And you're and
Speaker 2: you stand up there and you say, you know, listen,
Speaker 2: I don't think this is right. I don't think you
Speaker 2: should be doing this at our school. You know this,
Speaker 2: this might These are our children and we didn't sign
Speaker 2: them for this, and you're supposed to be teaching the math,
Speaker 2: but instead it feels like you're indoctrinating them. And what
Speaker 2: did that? What happened when they did that and they
Speaker 2: got into the school board at Loudon County, they sent
Speaker 2: the FBI put them on a terror watch list, all
Speaker 2: of those people, and the FBI started monitoring these these
Speaker 2: folks that just went to a school board meeting. So listen, listen.
Speaker 2: It sounds crazy when you talk about it now, but
Speaker 2: if you can get followed and targeted by the FBI
Speaker 2: for simply showing up to a school board meeting to
Speaker 2: express your frustration and your right to do so about
Speaker 2: what your kids are being taught. Just think about what
Speaker 2: happens when you put out a video or write a
Speaker 2: book that just in detail exposes some government agenda that
Speaker 2: they don't want exposed. All they have to do is say,
Speaker 2: this person is more trouble than they're worth. I'm afraid
Speaker 2: they're starting to get some traction. People are starting to
Speaker 2: listen to them. They think that they think that you
Speaker 2: can cure COVID with ivermectin, you know, all these things
Speaker 2: that turn out to be right. All they have to
Speaker 2: do is decide that you're dangerous, not even to another person,
Speaker 2: You're just dangerous to their narrative. And that's enough to
Speaker 2: get you labeled. And as soon as you get labeled,
Speaker 2: good luck getting unlabeled, because that's never gonna happen because
Speaker 2: the same establishment that's in charge of the labeling of
Speaker 2: you would be the same establishment in charge of taking
Speaker 2: you off that list. So it's a slippery slope. This
Speaker 2: is third world country type stuff. We've seen this happen
Speaker 2: in previous you know, the disappearing in Chile and you
Speaker 2: know under Pinochet and things like that. You get on
Speaker 2: the wrong side of the government, and the next thing
Speaker 2: you know, they put you on a list, and as
Speaker 2: soon as you're on that list, you're gone. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Man, we definitely live in incredible times. I am very
Speaker 1: interested to see where everything goes. I still have hope
Speaker 1: just because of the sheer amount of people that are
Speaker 1: waking up every day. Now, let's let's get to a
Speaker 1: couple of fun questions here. Back pre twenty twenty, I
Speaker 1: think it was around twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 1: just had a little old YouTube channel that was gaining momentum.
Speaker 1: I was reading your book and I thought, man, this
Speaker 1: guy's going to be an awesome Guests are reached out
Speaker 1: to you. You were kind enough to come on. We
Speaker 1: had an amazing interview, and you suggested that I turned
Speaker 1: this into a podcast.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, it's a good thing I took your advice, man,
Speaker 1: because we wouldn't be here right now. None of this
Speaker 1: would have been happening. So it's been an incredible journey.
Speaker 1: How do you see the future of podcasting going. It's
Speaker 1: pretty crazy how much it's blown up.
Speaker 2: My fear is that they recognize the reach of podcasts
Speaker 2: in the same way that they recognized it with YouTube videos.
Speaker 2: You know, we were doing fine and people had YouTube
Speaker 2: channels and then next thing, you know, they didn't and
Speaker 2: they put restrictions on it. My fear is that that
Speaker 2: is coming for podcasting. I think James Corbett has a
Speaker 2: good idea and that he's talking about, you know, he's
Speaker 2: building a wild garden email distribution list things like that
Speaker 2: that he can get from his listeners, so that if
Speaker 2: he's kicked off of all the platforms, he still has
Speaker 2: a way to communicate with them. I think that the
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to make this happen, but I think
Speaker 2: that if I'm just following the logic, at some point
Speaker 2: they'll go after the large platforms like Spotify and start
Speaker 2: to control content there, start to take people off, or
Speaker 2: maybe take at first, just take episodes off. We know
Speaker 2: you talked about the wrong things there. We've got our
Speaker 2: AI machine learning that's reading all the transcripts and saying
Speaker 2: you're talking about this, and that episode disappears. Then maybe
Speaker 2: the platforms do it, or even the most devious form
Speaker 2: of censorship, which would be self censorship, which is you
Speaker 2: start to think, maybe they're going to throw my podcast
Speaker 2: off of all the platforms. If I say the wrong thing,
Speaker 2: so I should probably not say the wrong thing, just
Speaker 2: to be sure, and then you stop talking about the
Speaker 2: things that are really important. That's my fear for it. Now.
Speaker 2: If they were to allow to just flourish and run
Speaker 2: its course, I think at some point the mainstream media
Speaker 2: dies because they have no trust. Nobody's interested in them.
Speaker 2: They've been selling lies for too long and they don't
Speaker 2: have a market for it. And in a perfect world,
Speaker 2: then we would be the source of information for a
Speaker 2: lot of people. Are the alternative media would grow in
Speaker 2: that people would say, well, listen, I don't know if
Speaker 2: these guys have all the answers, but I at least
Speaker 2: know that they're trying. They seem to want to get
Speaker 2: the truth, and they've got a pretty good track record,
Speaker 2: and we know that they're not being funded by all
Speaker 2: the nefarious You know, we don't know where the money's
Speaker 2: coming from for the mainstream media, So you know, we
Speaker 2: know if Bill and mullen Gates is giving a ton
Speaker 2: to them, and then what do you know? They don't
Speaker 2: do any articles or any in depth investigative reports on
Speaker 2: the vaccine industry. Isn't that funny? Well, geez, because the
Speaker 2: Bill and Milinda Gates are financing them to not put
Speaker 2: programs out like that, or the advertisers are The pharmaceuticalustry
Speaker 2: in the advertising industry is you know, on mainstream media,
Speaker 2: sixty percent pharmaceutical sales, and so all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: you can't do an expos on vaccines or else your
Speaker 2: biggest advertisers walk right out the door. So with podcasting
Speaker 2: we've been because we don't have that financial component. Our
Speaker 2: advertisers are regional, very small. We're not beholden to anybody,
Speaker 2: so we don't have to maintain some sort of agenda
Speaker 2: or some sort of lie in order to keep our
Speaker 2: advertisers happy. So we've got the flexibility there to remain
Speaker 2: grounded in the truth. But you know, we've seen this before.
Speaker 2: We know how the governments work. We know that they'll
Speaker 2: if they see something that's working, that's getting a message
Speaker 2: out to the people, they'll try to stop that however
Speaker 2: they can to try to infiltrate it. I would assume
Speaker 2: that at some point they'll you know, first they came
Speaker 2: for the for the trade unionists, and I was not
Speaker 2: a trade unionist, And then you know, then they came
Speaker 2: for First they came for Alex Jones and then eventually
Speaker 2: they come for us. So I'm not naive. I understand
Speaker 2: that at some point they'll be looking towards us, and
Speaker 2: you know what that will That will mean that we
Speaker 2: are doing a good job. That will mean that we're
Speaker 2: so disruptive to their agenda that they can't have us
Speaker 2: around anymore. And I think we've already We've already seen
Speaker 2: that with YouTube's censorship, not just YouTube, but really a
Speaker 2: lot of the platforms that have decided that they will
Speaker 2: work with the intelligence agencies to silence people that they
Speaker 2: need to silence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, just like you said, now is
Speaker 1: going to be the perfect time to get ahead of
Speaker 1: this and create our new platforms and methods of reaching people, because,
Speaker 1: like you said, if they have it their way, we
Speaker 1: won't have a voice in podcasting either. So it's very
Speaker 1: eating what's happening.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: Let's close on this. As you know, I am filming
Speaker 1: a documentary I'm glad to be covering many high strange topics,
Speaker 1: and i'd love to get your thoughts on some of
Speaker 1: those topics, starting with Bigfoot encryptids. This was a fun
Speaker 1: one because I went on a Bigfoot expedition in Louisiana,
Speaker 1: and I had no idea they had so many weird
Speaker 1: creatures in the swamps of Louisiana. I grew up there,
Speaker 1: and some of the stories I heard just this past
Speaker 1: week were incredible, everything from little people in the forest
Speaker 1: who bigfoot from eight to fifteen feet tall, lizard people
Speaker 1: in the swamps, ruga ru which is a dog man,
Speaker 1: and apparently these creatures all have somewhat of metaphysical or
Speaker 1: consciousness abilities to where they can mess with us basically
Speaker 1: mess with our perception or disappear and things like that.
Speaker 1: So what are your thoughts on these weird, cryptid creatures.
Speaker 2: So when I was a kid, real young, one of
Speaker 2: my first recollections of television was watching the TV show
Speaker 2: In Search of with Leonard Nimoy, who is the voiceover,
Speaker 2: And I'm talking, this is like mid seventies, a real
Speaker 2: kind of grainy film. And I remember one episode in
Speaker 2: particular of this. I don't know if it was a
Speaker 2: couple or if it was just a guy that was
Speaker 2: out in a cabin out in the woods and he
Speaker 2: kept hearing things hitting the cabin, like rocks that were
Speaker 2: hitting the cabin, and he wound up in a situation
Speaker 2: where there was a bigfoot that was near his cabin
Speaker 2: that was throwing things at it, throwing and I'm you know,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm fascinated and freaked out all at the
Speaker 2: same time. I think I might have been predisposed to
Speaker 2: liking this stuff simply because I was watching theo dos
Speaker 2: back then. I was really into it. I you know,
Speaker 2: Tony Merkle from The Confessionals Engineers my shows, my partner
Speaker 2: on my show, and he just got back from he
Speaker 2: did a dog Man the show where he went hunting,
Speaker 2: and now he's doing something similar to you where's he's
Speaker 2: going out and filming these expeditions where they're where they're
Speaker 2: hunting for cryptids and bigfoot and things like things of
Speaker 2: that nature. And I've never had any experiences of my own.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely open to the idea. But I asked them
Speaker 2: when they got back from their their Skinwalker Ranch excursion,
Speaker 2: not not actual, not actually on the property, but next
Speaker 2: to it, the place that Ryan Burns owns, And I said, well,
Speaker 2: did you see anything weird? And they said, the whole
Speaker 2: place is weird. I said, did you see any UFOs?
Speaker 2: They said, every night? We saw UFOs every single night.
Speaker 2: And and I talked to the director separately a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks later, and I said, how was your trip?
Speaker 2: Did you see any UFOs? He goes, we saw UFOs
Speaker 2: all night every night, and I was like, really, and
Speaker 2: he said yes. And so I've heard the stories. I've
Speaker 2: never seen anything myself. I've never had a UFO encounter.
Speaker 2: I've got a family friend who has a crazy gray
Speaker 2: story about waking up in the middle of the night
Speaker 2: with a gray in their bedroom. And the husband told
Speaker 2: me the story. You know, the wife, the husband, and
Speaker 2: the wife. The wife is a little kooky, you know,
Speaker 2: so when she tells the story, you kind of don't know.
Speaker 2: The husband is more like, you know, he looks like
Speaker 2: a you know, he looks like a guy that works
Speaker 2: on a hedge fun you know, very straight laced, very
Speaker 2: not into this stuff. And he said, I woke up
Speaker 2: and it was there at the foot of my bed,
Speaker 2: and about the time I had the ability to process
Speaker 2: what I was seeing, it put its hand on my
Speaker 2: foot and I felt like I was having a heart attack.
Speaker 2: He said, I was frozen. I just felt this like
Speaker 2: electricity going through my body and I just was frozen,
Speaker 2: and I didn't know what was gonna happen. And I'm
Speaker 2: hearing this story and I'm going, oh my god, I
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, you know, if she told me
Speaker 2: the story and it was just her, I would have
Speaker 2: believed it pretty much. Hearing his account just cemented it
Speaker 2: in my mind. Okay, there's something going on. It's because
Speaker 2: it hasn't happened to me. I can't discount it. You know,
Speaker 2: those that it has happened to, I would be open
Speaker 2: to it. And then I say, is this the first
Speaker 2: time this has happened? She goes, I don't know. This
Speaker 2: is my entire life, me and my sisters, we had
Speaker 2: these experiences all the time. I think there might be
Speaker 2: something to do with the generational type stuff family. Some
Speaker 2: families are more either more predisposed to it, or they've
Speaker 2: been targeted or are tagged. They keep coming and watching them.
Speaker 2: I'm into all of it. I'm fascinated with all of that.
Speaker 2: We've got Ken Schwartz, our mutual friend who talking about
Speaker 2: communicating with Bigfoot out in the mountains here in Colorado,
Speaker 2: and man, I mean I would be I would be
Speaker 2: definitely open to it. From a distance. Probably, I don't
Speaker 2: know that I need to get into a situation where
Speaker 2: I'm getting touched by gray aliens or anything like that.
Speaker 2: But to see one, yeah, for sure, I'd be open.
Speaker 1: Do you think Bigfoot is just a lost Harry manner?
Speaker 1: You think there's some more to that?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm starting to hear more of this,
Speaker 2: more and more people talking about the supernatural paranormal component
Speaker 2: to Bigfoot. Now, Bigfooted always to me had always been
Speaker 2: that grainy image of the guy, you know, walking across
Speaker 2: the river bed, the Zebruder film of Bigfoot, you know,
Speaker 2: where you see this guy kind of walking, and that's
Speaker 2: the identification of it. Everyone goes that looks like a
Speaker 2: guy in an ape costume. Maybe maybe it was, maybe
Speaker 2: it was all faked right, But lately you're starting to
Speaker 2: hear about interdimensional aspects to it, which sound like, you know,
Speaker 2: comical at first, agoll shit, interdimensional Bigfoot. I don't know
Speaker 2: if I'm ready for that, but I will say this,
Speaker 2: after smoking d MT on a few occasions and seeing
Speaker 2: a world that is unrecognizable and impossible to really accurately describe,
Speaker 2: and to have interactions with things that I don't I
Speaker 2: can't label, I would be naive to think and arrogant
Speaker 2: to think that my five senses, that's all there is
Speaker 2: out there. You know, what I can see with my
Speaker 2: little eyeballs is the only thing out there, and anything
Speaker 2: short of that, you know, anything else is just make believe. No,
Speaker 2: we're blind in the world, you know, are what we
Speaker 2: can see in the visible light spectrum is so limited.
Speaker 2: So I think there's a whole world out there. I
Speaker 2: know there's a whole world out there. I'm interested to
Speaker 2: know more about it. I don't have any particular information
Speaker 2: except from my own personal experiences with psychedelics, which works,
Speaker 2: you know, to really kind of remove this societal layer
Speaker 2: that we're sort of we we this this wall that
Speaker 2: we build up over time and says no, no, that
Speaker 2: that's not real, or that's saying I'll believe it when
Speaker 2: I see it. Well, look, there's a lot going on
Speaker 2: that you'll never see or that you can't see, and
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that it isn't real. And so I've
Speaker 2: had to change my perception about things, and U and
Speaker 2: I and I credit that. I credit that to psychedelics.
Speaker 2: I think that a lot of us in the alternative
Speaker 2: media that do this work have that common denominator where
Speaker 2: we have we have been involved in in You know,
Speaker 2: we've viewed psychedelics to experience things that a lot of
Speaker 2: other people just simply haven't done.
Speaker 1: All right, final question, Charlie, did we live in an
Speaker 1: incredible reality? But what is this reality? What are we
Speaker 1: doing here with everything that's happening in our material world,
Speaker 1: from the corruption, to the agendas, to depopulation agendas, to
Speaker 1: everything that's going on in the high strange metaphysical world.
Speaker 2: What is our role here?
Speaker 1: What do you think we're doing here? Do you think
Speaker 1: that this is some sort of holographic simulated reality built
Speaker 1: for us to learn and grow? Or is it the
Speaker 1: traditional model of space that NASA tells us about, that
Speaker 1: we're on a ball spinning through the universe and there's
Speaker 1: no real rhyme or reason in any of it.
Speaker 2: What do you think My poor little brain, my little
Speaker 2: human brain, has a hard time comprehending all of the
Speaker 2: possibilities out there. Oh, but it's not, it's not whatever
Speaker 2: NASA tells us it is. We know, it's not that.
Speaker 2: I think we are here to have a human experience,
Speaker 2: to make mistakes, to learn from them, to get better,
Speaker 2: to improve our soul, to elevate and evolve ourselves. Here
Speaker 2: so that we can move on and do some different
Speaker 2: the next time around. I'm leaning towards simulation theory on this,
Speaker 2: especially after the d MT situation. I said to the
Speaker 2: guy I was with, Johnny Doller, the crypto artist, I said,
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to go back to like reality
Speaker 2: after that? Man? Like? How am I after what I've seen?
Speaker 2: How am I supposed to like care about pain taxes?
Speaker 2: You know? How am I supposed to care about a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff? You know? This is that's a world
Speaker 2: that is that is so magical and beyond, and is
Speaker 2: that where we go after we die? You know I wouldn't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't pretend to be arrogant enough to understand all
Speaker 2: of that. I just know this. I'm going to try
Speaker 2: and do my best to be a good person while
Speaker 2: I'm here. I'm going to try my best to prevent
Speaker 2: bad people from doing bad things. I'm going to do
Speaker 2: what I can to make sure that my uh, that
Speaker 2: my daughter grows up in a world that is safer
Speaker 2: and anchored in logic and reason and love and compassion
Speaker 2: and not fear and war and depopulation and all of
Speaker 2: the insanity. I I'm trying not to sweat the little things.
Speaker 2: I don't. I just don't think they matter so much anymore.
Speaker 2: And I guess we'll all figure it out. But I'm
Speaker 2: going to try and ride this ride this horse as
Speaker 2: long as I can ride it right, and do the
Speaker 2: best work I can do while I'm here. And then
Speaker 2: when my number is called, I hope, uh, I hope
Speaker 2: I go to the d MT Realm because it looked
Speaker 2: like a hell of a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, Charlie, this was fantastic. Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Let the audience know where they can find Macrogressions and
Speaker 1: all your online presence.
Speaker 2: Oh. Macroaggressions podcast goes out twice a week, once as
Speaker 2: a monologue, once as a video. It goes out in
Speaker 2: video format on rockfin Odyssey, Vigilante dot TV, band dot Video,
Speaker 2: and it goes out and audio format everywhere else. I'm
Speaker 2: on Twitter at macroaggression. Uh. The My website is the
Speaker 2: Octopus of Globalcontrol dot com. You can find my books there.
Speaker 2: You can find my book on Amazon. And I've got
Speaker 2: a new radio show. TNT Radio dot Live is the
Speaker 2: place that happens on Saturday mornings ten am Eastern to
Speaker 2: noon Eastern and it also goes out at the mothership
Speaker 2: where the station is based in Brisbane at midnight on
Speaker 2: Saturday night, so I get an opportunity to do a
Speaker 2: little coast to coast action and get weird with the
Speaker 2: audience there, who are probably well, they're Australian, so they're
Speaker 2: probably drunk at midnight on a Saturday night, either that
Speaker 2: or on drugs. Either way, that's my target audience, so
Speaker 2: I'm going to have some fun with them. I've been
Speaker 2: keeping a time Traveler hotline open for time travelers only
Speaker 2: in the as a nod to the Great Art Bell.
Speaker 2: The secret is that it actually takes them to an
Speaker 2: eight hundred number for a mental health facility. So you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they're going to get too many
Speaker 2: people patching through on the network, but I have some
Speaker 2: with it, and I appreciate you and all the work
Speaker 2: that you've done. And let's just keep going until they
Speaker 2: put us in a FEMA camp and then I hope
Speaker 2: our roommates.
Speaker 1: Yes, man, definitely, I'll look forward to being your roommated
Speaker 1: FEMA camp anytime. Thank you everyone. Until next time, we
Speaker 1: will see you. Have an excellent evening.