WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.000 --> 00:00:04.719 I think it's just going to get weirder and weirder 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:07.719 and weirder, and finally it's going to be so weird 3 00:00:08.320 --> 00:00:10.320 that people are going to have to talk about how 4 00:00:10.359 --> 00:00:14.119 weird it is. Eventually people are going to say, what 5 00:00:14.359 --> 00:00:19.120 the hell is going on? It's not enough to say 6 00:00:19.199 --> 00:00:22.519 it's nuts. You have to explain why it's so nuts. 7 00:00:23.719 --> 00:00:27.679 The invention of artificial life, the cloning of human beings, 8 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:34.520 possible contact with extraterrestrials, the systems which are in place 9 00:00:35.079 --> 00:00:40.479 to keep the world saying are in utterly inadequate to 10 00:00:40.520 --> 00:00:43.359 the forces that have been unleashed. 11 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:49.439 Welcome back to Forbidden Knowledge News. I'm your host Chris Matthew. 12 00:00:49.759 --> 00:00:52.679 Today my guest is James Corbett. Be sure to check 13 00:00:52.719 --> 00:00:55.719 out my films. Doors of Perception is on Amazon Prime. 14 00:00:56.079 --> 00:00:59.399 I'll call it Louisiana's on to be Roku Channel, Apple 15 00:00:59.479 --> 00:01:03.320 A and or. We are booking guests for December. If 16 00:01:03.359 --> 00:01:05.959 you have suggestions or you'd like to be a guest, 17 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:10.920 email me forbid Knowledgenews at gmail dot com. Today, I 18 00:01:10.920 --> 00:01:14.280 want to welcome James Corbett. He is an author, journalist, 19 00:01:14.359 --> 00:01:18.799 and curator of The Corbett Report. James, Welcome, How you doing. 20 00:01:20.040 --> 00:01:20.760 I'm doing all right. 21 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:22.959 Thank you for having me, Thanks so much for coming on. 22 00:01:23.200 --> 00:01:25.640 Been looking forward to this. Today we're going to be 23 00:01:25.719 --> 00:01:31.079 discussing your documentary, Descent into Madness. I really enjoyed it. 24 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:35.319 It does an amazing job outlining the ongoing gas lighting 25 00:01:35.439 --> 00:01:40.879 and psychological operations implemented by our own government against our 26 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:45.079 own people. Freethinkers are quickly becoming the new and visible 27 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:50.719 boogeyman and are being painted as domestic terrorists, and this 28 00:01:50.879 --> 00:01:56.040 documentary not only gives a great history of psychological operations 29 00:01:56.079 --> 00:01:59.959 against the people, but an analysis of the psychotic nature 30 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:03.560 of our ruling class as well. I highly recommend everyone 31 00:02:03.680 --> 00:02:06.519 going check out the film. I'll have links in the description. 32 00:02:07.560 --> 00:02:09.400 There's a lot to get to with this, and we 33 00:02:09.479 --> 00:02:11.639 have a limited amount of time, and this is your 34 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.960 first time on. First, tell the audience a little bit 35 00:02:14.960 --> 00:02:17.479 about yourself and let them know how they can find 36 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:18.000 out more. 37 00:02:20.159 --> 00:02:22.759 Sure. My name is James Corbett. I am a podcaster, 38 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:25.560 which I didn't even think was going to be a 39 00:02:25.639 --> 00:02:27.800 profession when I started this, but here it is. 40 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:28.319 So. 41 00:02:28.400 --> 00:02:30.639 I started the podcast back in two thousand and seven. 42 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.599 It's called The Corbett Report, and I've been doing that 43 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:36.599 now for eighteen years, and it is, yes, now my 44 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.520 full time job and profession if you can believe it, 45 00:02:39.560 --> 00:02:42.759 and I scarcely can I talk about politics and science 46 00:02:42.800 --> 00:02:46.360 and history and philosophy and psychology and whatever else stickles 47 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:50.199 my fancy. And I've been doing that unreservedly and unabashedly 48 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.159 for nearly two decades, which has gotten me canceled off 49 00:02:53.199 --> 00:02:56.639 of YouTube and other places at various points throughout this career. 50 00:02:57.240 --> 00:02:59.280 And the ride isn't over yet. So if people want 51 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:00.919 to find out more about that, they can find my 52 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:04.520 work at Corbettreport dot com. Everything I do is for free, 53 00:03:04.560 --> 00:03:06.199 so I hope people use it as a resource. 54 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:11.879 Your new documentary, Descent into Madness? What brought you to 55 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:15.039 produce this particular film? 56 00:03:15.439 --> 00:03:17.439 Well, as I say, I've been doing this research now 57 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:20.199 for nearly two decades, and in that time I've accrued 58 00:03:20.240 --> 00:03:24.520 quite a bit of knowledge about psychological operations, psychological warfare, 59 00:03:24.800 --> 00:03:29.719 various psychological experiments that have been done, and the results 60 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:32.280 of those experiments and the kind of insight that they give, 61 00:03:32.800 --> 00:03:35.919 not only for would be social engineers who want to 62 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:39.439 engineer the population into believing this or that or disbelieving 63 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:43.280 this or that, but also potentially the utility of such 64 00:03:43.360 --> 00:03:47.400 information for people like ourselves, people who presumably want to 65 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.199 inform the public about the truth about what's really happening 66 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:53.039 in the world. Maybe there are insights that we can 67 00:03:53.080 --> 00:03:55.759 gain from these types of psychological experiments that tell us 68 00:03:55.759 --> 00:03:58.479 more about how the human mind operates and how we 69 00:03:58.560 --> 00:04:00.639 can best disseminate our information. 70 00:04:01.400 --> 00:04:04.719 I thought maybe we could dissect a little bit of 71 00:04:05.039 --> 00:04:08.840 the information that you were presented in the film, starting 72 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:14.960 with the origins of this kind of psychological manipulation, starting 73 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:18.839 with Soviet psychiatry. Talk a little bit about. 74 00:04:18.439 --> 00:04:24.439 That, right, I start by citing that specifically, because back 75 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.079 in the early nineteen eighties and in the nineteen seventies 76 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.360 and into the early nineteen eighties, it was a talking 77 00:04:31.399 --> 00:04:34.240 point in the ongoing Cold War that look at them, 78 00:04:34.319 --> 00:04:38.160 their Soviets, those did darn kamis, look at what they 79 00:04:38.240 --> 00:04:40.519 do to their population, and they would point to the 80 00:04:40.560 --> 00:04:46.720 fact that there was basically made up illnesses sluggish schizophrenia 81 00:04:46.759 --> 00:04:50.279 and other things that political dissidents within the Soviet Union 82 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:54.240 were diagnosed with, which allowed them to be forcibly confined 83 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.879 to mental institutions and forcibly drugged and so there was, 84 00:04:57.920 --> 00:05:00.480 for example, as I cite in the documentary, there was 85 00:05:00.519 --> 00:05:02.360 a big write up about this in the New York 86 00:05:02.399 --> 00:05:06.600 Times in the early nineteen eighties, talking about Soviet psychiatry 87 00:05:06.639 --> 00:05:10.839 and the dangers of a system in which political dissent 88 00:05:11.040 --> 00:05:14.360 is made into some sort of pathological mental illness, and 89 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.879 what can be done to dissenters in such a system. 90 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.480 And I point that out because well, yes, I mean, 91 00:05:20.519 --> 00:05:23.120 I think that is right. The Soviets truly did employ 92 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.199 that against their own citizens. But as I go on 93 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.040 to demonstrate, it's not that it was just the Soviets, 94 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:32.040 and it wasn't just the Imperial Japanese government, or it 95 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:35.160 wasn't just the Nazis in Germany, et cetera, et cetera. 96 00:05:35.600 --> 00:05:39.800 It's almost every government at one point or another has 97 00:05:39.920 --> 00:05:42.920 applied some of these principles against their own citizens. And 98 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.879 so I start to cite examples of, say even the 99 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.879 American context, the American Psychological Association and others, who have 100 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:53.040 found ways to pathologize political descent. 101 00:05:53.759 --> 00:05:57.959 And starting from the very beginning, the use of different 102 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:02.720 types of drugs and theogens was a huge and very 103 00:06:02.759 --> 00:06:08.000 important part of implementing some of these mind control programs 104 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:13.040 and the psychological operations that even we see today, right. 105 00:06:15.480 --> 00:06:18.800 Yes, And of course the obvious and the most well 106 00:06:18.839 --> 00:06:21.160 known example of that is of course the CIA's MK 107 00:06:21.319 --> 00:06:24.600 Ultra program and the various subprograms and other things that 108 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:28.560 it was running under, and the Operation Midnight Climax and 109 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:35.000 others unknowingly dosing people with various substances LSD and other 110 00:06:35.040 --> 00:06:38.959 things in order to gauge their effects and potential usefulness 111 00:06:38.959 --> 00:06:47.040 as truth serums and or discombobulating agents, etc. So again, 112 00:06:47.040 --> 00:06:50.639 there's been a great deal of study on that particular subject, 113 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.920 and it does continue to this day because as I 114 00:06:53.959 --> 00:06:58.319 point out, for example, just as one example, there's a psychologist, 115 00:06:58.800 --> 00:07:02.560 Martin Seligman, who did some pioneering work on the concept 116 00:07:02.600 --> 00:07:07.480 of learned helplessness and also on learned optimism, which people 117 00:07:07.480 --> 00:07:09.879 spend less time concentrating on. But for those who don't know, 118 00:07:09.959 --> 00:07:13.279 learned helplessness stems from experiments that I believe were originally 119 00:07:13.279 --> 00:07:16.199 performed in the nineteen fifties in which it was demonstrated 120 00:07:16.199 --> 00:07:22.399 that dogs could be made to essentially take and even 121 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:26.079 accept electric shocks when they could easily escape them by 122 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:29.279 a process of conditioning. A conditioning process by which they 123 00:07:29.279 --> 00:07:31.240 were first shocked in a way in which they could 124 00:07:31.279 --> 00:07:33.959 not escape the electrical shocks. They were harnessed in a 125 00:07:33.959 --> 00:07:36.360 way that they were forced to take these electrical shocks, 126 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:40.600 and then eventually the harness was released and the barrier 127 00:07:40.600 --> 00:07:42.680 that was preventing them from jumping out of the electrified 128 00:07:42.680 --> 00:07:45.639 area was lowered, etc. To the point where eventually they 129 00:07:45.639 --> 00:07:49.319 would be easily able to escape the electric shocks. But 130 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.639 they had been so thoroughly conditioned that there was nothing 131 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:53.759 they could do to escape the shocks that when they 132 00:07:53.879 --> 00:07:56.879 started getting shocked, they would just lie down and take it. 133 00:07:57.319 --> 00:08:01.720 And that is a profound in site into psychology, not 134 00:08:01.800 --> 00:08:05.040 only of canines, but unfortunately of humans that can be 135 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:11.439 led into essentially accepting even incredibly horrible conditions that even 136 00:08:11.480 --> 00:08:14.920 potentially they could escape from, but they have been conditioned 137 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:18.279 to expect that nothing they can do can actually change anything. 138 00:08:18.319 --> 00:08:21.680 And so there was this doctor, the psychologist, one of 139 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.399 the people who was pioneering this field, Martin Seligman, who 140 00:08:24.480 --> 00:08:27.519 was researching about this and also about what could be 141 00:08:27.519 --> 00:08:31.560 done to overcome this learned optimism. And in his speeches 142 00:08:31.639 --> 00:08:34.279 as he was talking, there happened to be at one 143 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:37.600 of his speeches someone in the audience who was associated 144 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:40.600 with the CIA and worked with them during their war 145 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:43.360 of terror in the post nine to eleven world on 146 00:08:43.519 --> 00:08:48.600 developing better ways of using torture against detainees, and he 147 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:51.919 started to use some of those psychological insights, for example, 148 00:08:51.919 --> 00:08:56.360 to find out how to more effectively torture detainees. Effectively 149 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.200 in this case, of course, does not mean to actually 150 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.159 get real true information from those detainees, but simply to 151 00:09:02.960 --> 00:09:05.360 essentially get them to say whatever you want them to say, 152 00:09:05.480 --> 00:09:07.960 which was really the point of the CIA torture program 153 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:10.840 there in the early two thousands. So that's another example 154 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:13.679 of how this type of psychological research can be weaponized 155 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:16.919 against us, or we could take the other tack and 156 00:09:16.960 --> 00:09:20.000 start to recognize how those insights could be used to 157 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:22.080 find out more about the world that we're in and 158 00:09:22.159 --> 00:09:24.159 how we can escape the shocks. 159 00:09:24.279 --> 00:09:28.159 So to spey, I definitely want to explore some solutions 160 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.240 and how we can navigate all this. Before we do, 161 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.159 I want to explore a bit more of the history 162 00:09:34.440 --> 00:09:38.919 of weaponize psychiatry. You were just mentioning some of the pioneers. 163 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:45.159 Another one, Benjamin Rush, was essentially making up disorders to, 164 00:09:45.879 --> 00:09:50.639 as you say, pathologize dissent. Talk a little bit about 165 00:09:50.679 --> 00:09:54.360 this man and his contributions. 166 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:59.320 Yes, to the extent that people encounter Benjamin Rush these days, 167 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:01.600 they might hear him discussed as one of the founding 168 00:10:01.639 --> 00:10:06.679 fathers of psychology in the United States. He's officially recognized 169 00:10:06.720 --> 00:10:11.000 by the American Psychiatric Association as the father of American psychiatry, 170 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:16.759 and so he is still well talked about in such circles. 171 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:19.559 But certain aspects of what he talked about at the 172 00:10:19.600 --> 00:10:22.919 time are less remembered by history, for reasons that should 173 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:27.240 be obvious. For example, one of the illnesses that he 174 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:32.279 came up with, essentially was a narchia, which he defined 175 00:10:32.320 --> 00:10:35.519 as an excess for the passion of the passion for liberty, 176 00:10:35.879 --> 00:10:40.360 which could not be removed by reason nor restrained by government, 177 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:44.000 and threatened to render abortive the goodness of heaven to 178 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:48.600 the United States. As in, after the Revolution the United 179 00:10:48.600 --> 00:10:51.559 States was founded, these people were still a bit uppity, 180 00:10:51.600 --> 00:10:55.039 and they still believed a little bit too much in 181 00:10:55.320 --> 00:10:58.879 this freedom and independence thing. 182 00:10:59.080 --> 00:10:59.279 Yeah. 183 00:10:59.360 --> 00:11:01.720 No, we fought the war for independence and now we 184 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:03.639 have this new government, so you should submit to the 185 00:11:03.679 --> 00:11:07.600 new government. Is essentially what Benjamin Rush believed, and he 186 00:11:07.679 --> 00:11:12.120 started to enforce that through this pathologization of people, like 187 00:11:12.200 --> 00:11:14.240 for example, in the Whiskey Rebellion and other things that 188 00:11:14.279 --> 00:11:17.240 we saw after the creation of the new US federal 189 00:11:17.320 --> 00:11:19.720 government that people were still a little bit too interested 190 00:11:19.720 --> 00:11:22.120 in this liberty thing, so we better tamp that down 191 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:27.519 and pathologize that descent. So for people that he characterized 192 00:11:27.559 --> 00:11:32.120 with various psychological diseases, he employed such techniques for breaking 193 00:11:32.159 --> 00:11:37.720 their spirits, essentially as darkness, solitary confinement, and a special 194 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.960 technique of forcing the patient to stand erect for two 195 00:11:41.000 --> 00:11:44.000 to three days at a time, poking them with sharp 196 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:46.919 pointed nails to keep them from sleeping, which was a 197 00:11:46.919 --> 00:11:50.159 technique he had borrowed from a British technique for taming horses, 198 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:54.080 which again should show some of the mentality of the 199 00:11:54.080 --> 00:11:57.679 people who are weaponizing these things. Again, whether it's the 200 00:11:57.720 --> 00:12:03.279 shocks against dogs or techniques for taming horses, essentially, they 201 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:06.440 are looking at ways to treat us like livestock or 202 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:11.039 cattle or animals to be manipulated one way or another, 203 00:12:11.039 --> 00:12:13.240 and Benjamin Rush was no exception with that art. 204 00:12:13.840 --> 00:12:18.799 You also discuss a very important tool that was developed 205 00:12:19.320 --> 00:12:25.120 for weaponized psychiatry. Essentially, that's the DSM, the Diagnostic and 206 00:12:25.240 --> 00:12:30.799 Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which basically provided guidelines for 207 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:37.320 diagnoses and was a major stepping stone for Big Form 208 00:12:38.120 --> 00:12:41.799 to start distributing their drugs. 209 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:45.399 Yes, so for people who do not know, the American 210 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:51.080 Psychological Association, the APA puts out their their psychological Bible, 211 00:12:51.159 --> 00:12:53.679 the DSM, which a lot of countries around the world 212 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:59.480 use as a basis for their own national programs for 213 00:12:59.679 --> 00:13:04.120 coming up with manuals for disorders. And essentially this is, 214 00:13:04.720 --> 00:13:08.000 as you say, it's an attempt to create diagnostic tool 215 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:15.000 for creating categories of mental illness essentially, and the necessarily 216 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.879 political nature of this. This is not a scientific document. 217 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.200 This is a political document, and we can see that 218 00:13:21.360 --> 00:13:25.399 from the development of the DSM. As one of the 219 00:13:25.440 --> 00:13:28.399 guests that I talked to in this documentary, doctor Bruce Levine, 220 00:13:28.440 --> 00:13:31.879 points out back prior to the nineteen seventies, the DSM 221 00:13:32.000 --> 00:13:36.879 had homosexuality listed as a mental disorder and there were 222 00:13:36.919 --> 00:13:39.120 a lot of protests about that. There was a civil 223 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:41.919 rights movement that was protesting against that, and eventually, of 224 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.320 course they did change that, and now sexuality is not 225 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.960 listed as a mental disorder. Whatever you think about that diagnosis, 226 00:13:49.279 --> 00:13:53.000 the point is that it is necessarily and inherently a 227 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:55.840 political diagnosis. It will be put in or taken out 228 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:59.000 depending on which way the political winds are blowing, rather 229 00:13:59.039 --> 00:14:02.000 than any fundamental change in the nature of human consciousness. 230 00:14:02.559 --> 00:14:06.919 And unfortunately it doesn't just end there. There are many 231 00:14:06.960 --> 00:14:10.480 examples of that. I point, for example, to the oppositional 232 00:14:10.559 --> 00:14:14.039 defiant disorder, which was introduced I believe in DSM four. 233 00:14:14.519 --> 00:14:16.759 They are now up on DSM five, the fifth edition 234 00:14:16.879 --> 00:14:21.879 of this manual. But in that oppositional defiant disorder, essentially 235 00:14:21.960 --> 00:14:26.759 any child who is a little bit too questioning of 236 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:32.039 authority or reticent to go along with authority, it can 237 00:14:32.120 --> 00:14:36.320 be diagnosed with ODD and of course drugged, which is 238 00:14:36.480 --> 00:14:40.639 generally the way that psychology has developed, certainly in the 239 00:14:40.679 --> 00:14:46.039 American context, a lot of the answers to these psychological problems, 240 00:14:46.039 --> 00:14:50.279 which again are more politically based than they are scientifically based, 241 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.279 are treated with drugs and pharmaceuticals. And that leads to 242 00:14:54.360 --> 00:14:56.440 one of the big problems with the DSM. When you 243 00:14:56.480 --> 00:14:59.919 start to look at the task forces that put together 244 00:15:00.039 --> 00:15:02.279 the various sections of the manual. For example, there's one 245 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:05.279 on sleeping disorders or what have you. You start to 246 00:15:05.279 --> 00:15:08.639 find that the members of those various task forces, these 247 00:15:08.919 --> 00:15:13.399 scientists and researchers who compile this information and come up 248 00:15:13.440 --> 00:15:18.120 with these diagnostic labels, are themselves riddled with conflicts of interest, 249 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:23.240 with most of these task forces consisting in the majority 250 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.279 some cases, in the plurality or in the totality, of 251 00:15:26.399 --> 00:15:31.799 people who have connections or financial relations to the very 252 00:15:31.799 --> 00:15:36.720 pharmaceutical companies that then provide the drugs that supposedly cure 253 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:40.480 these illnesses that they themselves are creating or diagnosing into existence. 254 00:15:41.080 --> 00:15:43.360 So that should, at the very least, I think if 255 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:48.000 anyone could pause for concern about how this process works 256 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:50.840 and whether these labels. I am not saying there is 257 00:15:50.879 --> 00:15:55.080 no such thing as mental illness or mental health, but 258 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.799 I am saying that those categories are much less scientific 259 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:02.960 then I think the public is led to believe. 260 00:16:04.080 --> 00:16:07.080 You briefly mentioned mk Ultra earlier. 261 00:16:07.519 --> 00:16:08.720 We all have heard. 262 00:16:09.120 --> 00:16:13.360 Essentially about the horrific experiments that people were subjected to, 263 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:17.200 and I have to wonder how much of that is 264 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:24.399 actively being implemented today as an ongoing operation. Essentially that 265 00:16:24.840 --> 00:16:28.600 the experimentation was done to test the drugs that the 266 00:16:28.679 --> 00:16:33.200 kids are on these days, we can see how modern 267 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:38.960 psychiatry was infiltrated to create a generation of the younger 268 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:41.639 people that we are subjected to now. 269 00:16:42.200 --> 00:16:46.000 Yes, so for people who don't know well, I would 270 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:48.639 say that the official line, of course is that mk 271 00:16:48.799 --> 00:16:52.600 Ultra ended, it is no longer an active program. And 272 00:16:53.039 --> 00:16:55.000 maybe that is true in the sense that there is 273 00:16:55.039 --> 00:16:57.480 no longer a program under that name that is currently 274 00:16:57.519 --> 00:17:00.240 running under the CIA, But one has to work under 275 00:17:00.399 --> 00:17:03.279 about the truth of such a statement, especially given the 276 00:17:03.279 --> 00:17:05.799 fact that the fact that we know anything about mk 277 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:10.119 Ultra at all only happened essentially by fluke, by the 278 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:14.359 fact that certain documents, that all of the mk ultradocuments 279 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:18.559 were supposed to be destroyed, certain ones managed to evade 280 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:22.519 that destruction and were discovered, and from that we learned 281 00:17:22.519 --> 00:17:24.680 about this program. And then there were the Church committee 282 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:26.839 hearings and other things that started to flesh out more 283 00:17:26.839 --> 00:17:29.640 information about them. We still probably only know a fraction 284 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:32.640 of what was really going on behind the scenes there, 285 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:35.000 with a lot of the documents having been destroyed, But anyway, 286 00:17:35.000 --> 00:17:37.599 what we do know is horrific enough, and to think 287 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:41.759 that there, yes, maybe that particular program under that particular 288 00:17:41.799 --> 00:17:44.839 designation may have wrapped up. But the idea that psychological 289 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:49.200 operations are not being employed is well palpably and flatly untrue. 290 00:17:49.519 --> 00:17:52.279 And we can see that from, if nothing else, the 291 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:58.079 recent commercials that the US Psychological Operations forces have made 292 00:17:58.119 --> 00:18:01.960 for their psychological warfare care campaigns. And I'm going to 293 00:18:02.000 --> 00:18:06.079 forget the name of the recent campaign that they had, 294 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.880 but showing you know, spooky images and having spooky sounds 295 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:13.920 and other things, and making it sound as if it 296 00:18:13.960 --> 00:18:15.680 would be so cool, wouldn't you like to be a 297 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:22.119 psychological warrior manipulating the population. So the US military even 298 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:25.119 openly brags about it at this point. So those types 299 00:18:25.160 --> 00:18:29.759 of operations are still underway. And yes, with regards specifically 300 00:18:29.759 --> 00:18:32.839 to the drugging of children, the mass medication of children 301 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:37.319 under the name of stopping these oppositional defiant disorder or 302 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:41.240 whatever other pathologization of normal human behavior they come up 303 00:18:41.240 --> 00:18:43.920 with next, there's a number of things to be said 304 00:18:43.960 --> 00:18:46.119 about that. One is just the sheer numbers of it, 305 00:18:46.160 --> 00:18:48.519 and the number of children that are now being medicated 306 00:18:49.160 --> 00:18:53.680 for those psychological conditions again should give anyone, i think, 307 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:59.039 at least pause for concern because we've lived, however, many 308 00:18:59.200 --> 00:19:03.359 thousands of generals before this point without the use of 309 00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:07.079 such pharmaceuticals. But now suddenly there's a significant percentage of 310 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.839 the population that just must have these pharmaceuticals in order 311 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.759 to survive. Are we expected to believe that? But even 312 00:19:13.000 --> 00:19:15.480 it gets even worse because as I talk about in 313 00:19:15.480 --> 00:19:18.720 one of my interviews with doctor Bruce Lovine, this wasn't 314 00:19:18.720 --> 00:19:21.079 in the documentary itself, but I do have other interviews 315 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:23.920 with him in my archives at Corporate Report. We talk 316 00:19:23.960 --> 00:19:27.000 about the fact that although people have been led to 317 00:19:27.039 --> 00:19:29.319 believe and still many people I think in the general 318 00:19:29.319 --> 00:19:34.039 public do believe the chemical imbalance theory of psychological disorder, 319 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.920 where oh, you have a chemical imbalance, that's why you 320 00:19:38.000 --> 00:19:40.440 have depression or whatever it may be, So you take 321 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:44.799 this medication and it will restore the right balance. The 322 00:19:44.839 --> 00:19:47.799 truth about that is that it was never really seriously 323 00:19:47.839 --> 00:19:50.960 believed by the medical profession, and at this point it's 324 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:55.559 actively disbelieved. No one who's an actual medical professional, research 325 00:19:55.599 --> 00:19:58.720 or clinical psychologist actually believes in the chemical imbalance theory. 326 00:20:00.119 --> 00:20:03.559 That is a bunch of hogwash, that is, but for 327 00:20:03.599 --> 00:20:07.200 some reason, everyone tends to believe it, and that is 328 00:20:07.279 --> 00:20:10.400 why a lot of people do take SSRIs or other 329 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.599 types of psychologically active drugs, is because they believe they're 330 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:18.599 restoring chemical balance to their brain. I also have in 331 00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.640 my archives, Again I didn't go into it in this 332 00:20:20.720 --> 00:20:23.240 documentary in detail, but I do have in my archives 333 00:20:23.519 --> 00:20:27.920 work on the connection between SSRIs and mass shooters. I mean, 334 00:20:27.960 --> 00:20:29.960 it just is a connection that there are a number 335 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:32.319 of mass shooting events where the mass shooter was on 336 00:20:32.640 --> 00:20:36.759 ssriys or was coming off of SSRIs at the point 337 00:20:36.799 --> 00:20:40.119 at which they started their mass shooting. There may be 338 00:20:40.160 --> 00:20:43.559 a number of reasons for that correlation, could be causational, 339 00:20:43.680 --> 00:20:45.480 but at any rate, there is a connection. 340 00:20:45.319 --> 00:20:50.160 Right, It's extremely concerning. Let's talk a little bit about 341 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:57.319 the modern attempts to pathologize conspiracy conspiracy theorists. They've had 342 00:20:57.359 --> 00:21:02.119 conspiracy hit pieces throughout modern in history, people being called 343 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:06.319 tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, all the names that we've 344 00:21:06.359 --> 00:21:10.839 been called, all the gas lighting and the severity seems 345 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:12.759 to come and go. We seem to be in an 346 00:21:12.839 --> 00:21:17.279 era where it is back in full fledge. We have censorship, 347 00:21:18.200 --> 00:21:24.240 domestic terrorism because of people's thoughts and freethinking and opinions, 348 00:21:24.799 --> 00:21:27.839 and there seems to be a flat out attack on 349 00:21:27.920 --> 00:21:32.400 freethinkers right now, but this is something that has been 350 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:35.920 seated for a very long time, at least since the 351 00:21:36.119 --> 00:21:40.400 Kennedy assassination. When they coin the term conspiracy theorists right. 352 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.119 More or less yes, So for people who don't know, 353 00:21:46.160 --> 00:21:50.480 the document number is one zero, three five tosh nine 354 00:21:50.559 --> 00:21:52.880 nine zero. Please somebody fact check me on that. I'm 355 00:21:52.880 --> 00:21:54.279 going off the top of my head. But there is 356 00:21:54.279 --> 00:21:57.319 a CIA memo that was sent out during in nineteen 357 00:21:57.359 --> 00:21:59.640 I believe sixty seven, and it was sent out to 358 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:06.640 operatives around the world to give them an idea of 359 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:09.960 how to respond to critics of the Warren Commission. And 360 00:22:10.079 --> 00:22:13.960 within that document they do raise the concept of conspiracy. 361 00:22:14.039 --> 00:22:17.240 These conspiracy theorists like to do this, but we can 362 00:22:17.359 --> 00:22:21.519 counter them this way. The point is, yes, that the 363 00:22:21.559 --> 00:22:24.960 word conspiracy theorist as a phrase was not uttered for 364 00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:27.839 the first time in the nineteen sixties, but it was 365 00:22:27.920 --> 00:22:30.880 weaponized there in the nineteen sixties, and from that point 366 00:22:30.920 --> 00:22:34.400 onward we can see a sharp increase in the use 367 00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:38.119 of that term conspiracy theorist as a pejorative to put 368 00:22:38.160 --> 00:22:41.200 down people who are questioning the official government narrative on 369 00:22:41.279 --> 00:22:46.160 things like the jfk assassination. So it was clearly weaponized 370 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.880 by the CIA, and it has been an incredibly effective 371 00:22:48.920 --> 00:22:52.000 weapon because I don't know about your experience, but certainly 372 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:55.279 my experience growing up in Canada, throughout my life, certainly 373 00:22:55.319 --> 00:22:59.480 I heard anyone questioning various things referred to disparagingly as 374 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:04.400 you're one of those tinfoil conspiracy weirdos. And that is, 375 00:23:04.440 --> 00:23:09.079 of course the image that has persisted, given that there's 376 00:23:09.119 --> 00:23:11.440 always been I think an underground of people who are 377 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:15.440 resistant to that categorization, that label, who will continue to 378 00:23:15.480 --> 00:23:19.960 persist in such areas, And it has been, as you say, 379 00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.640 an ebb and a flow in terms of the conversation 380 00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:25.279 around it. I note, of course, the I want to 381 00:23:25.319 --> 00:23:27.720 Believe poster right there behind you, which of course was 382 00:23:27.799 --> 00:23:33.359 part of the nineteen nineties conspiracy culture, which was interestingly 383 00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:37.319 implanted by LA and Hollywood and Chris Carter. And we 384 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:40.200 could talk about the Loan Gunman spinoff pilot episode and 385 00:23:40.359 --> 00:23:42.039 nine to eleven and all of that kind of stuff. 386 00:23:43.079 --> 00:23:46.160 But I would say we are perhaps going through another 387 00:23:46.599 --> 00:23:53.039 era like that where conspiracy is becoming cool and and 388 00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.599 I think being co opted at the same time by 389 00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:02.720 mainstream forces. That yes, I certainly experienced it myself in 390 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.480 the two thousands twenty tens, as I was talking about 391 00:24:05.480 --> 00:24:07.960 things like nine to eleven truth and of course being 392 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:12.880 cast aside as some kind of conspiracy weirdo. I would 393 00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:15.119 say there's a lot more room for that type of 394 00:24:15.160 --> 00:24:18.079 discussion even in more mainstream circles now, and we see 395 00:24:18.480 --> 00:24:22.119 relatively mainstream, high profile people now openly talking about things 396 00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:25.720 like nine to eleven truth. However, that does raise, in 397 00:24:25.799 --> 00:24:27.920 my mind, of course, the question of the extent to 398 00:24:27.920 --> 00:24:32.039 which this conversation is being steered, controlled, directed, et cetera, 399 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:38.839 into safe areas versus actually dangerous areas. There's a lot 400 00:24:38.880 --> 00:24:41.759 to be said about that, but yes, the conspiracy theory term, 401 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.359