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Dogmanencounters dot com Forward Slash Podcast. Hey everyone, thanks so

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much for joining us for this live stream episode of

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Dogman Encounters Radio. I really appreciate you being here. Wow,

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what a tangled web we weave. I'll tell you what

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the guest I had originally planned for a last week's show,

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she wasn't able to do it due to a the

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sickness in the family. She was sick too. At first

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it looked like she was going to be well enough

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to be able to do it, but then she took

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a downturn. But yeah, we planned to record that show

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last week, but due to that illness, she couldn't do it. Well,

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she's not quite ready to record that show yet, even

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a week removed. The plan is to have her come

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on and do a Monday night live stream, but for tonight,

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I contacted another eyewitness to have him come on, and

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at five pm he sent me a message letting me know,

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vic I can't do the live stream tonight, So I

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had to contact another eyewitness and ask him if he'd

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be interested in coming on tonight and doing this live stream.

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So I think you get the picture. It's been a mess,

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but thank goodness, tonight's guest was able to do it

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and willing to come on and do it. So yeah,

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thank goodness for that. Like I said, well, without any

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further Ado, let's bring on tonight's guess, Dan, thanks so

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much for being here.

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Speaker 1: Oh, y'are welcome.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Oh, you're welcome. We appreciate your time.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: Please give us a brief bio in yourself.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am thirty four, I am visually impaired. I

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have twenty twenty in my inner hemisphere, but no PERIPERL.

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So the best way to describe it would be like

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direct tunnel vision. I used to attend summer camp as

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a teenager a lot up in Quincy, California. A little before,

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I want to say, it's almost between Reno, Yeah, along

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the Reno border, and my encounter happened on two thousand

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and six in the summer about I want to say

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this about June of two thousand and six.

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Speaker 2: Well, as a listeners who are going to find out

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they are intense encounters and there are other encounters that

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some aren't quite so intense, others are really too intense.

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And when you look at the qualities behind your encounter,

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I mean that's there are horror movies made about that.

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There really are. But we're not going to get into

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the particulars about what happened just yet. We need to

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do some talking before we get to that point. But

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you've already mentioned the fact that you've got limited vision.

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You're legally you're classified as being legally blind, but out

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of the one eye you have twenty twenty vision. We

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need to establish this so people can kind of wrap

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their minds around everything involved. When you have this encounter,

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you're classified as being legally blind, but in one eye

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you have twenty twenty vision. But the area that you

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see with that one eye, if I understand correctly, it

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isn't a very well why directly ahead of you? Mm

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hmm okay, I see. Wow. Well that would make happen

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the encounter because you had that exact limited amount of

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vision when you had your encounter. Is you do right now? Correct?

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Speaker 1: Correct?

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Speaker 2: So that must have made the encounter even more difficult,

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even more traumatic then mm hmm, yeah, I'm sure it did. Wow,

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So sorry to hear you had to go through that, Dan,

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you used to go to that camp the camp? Was

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it for visually impaired people? Please don't name the camp,

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but was this camp for visually impaired people?

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Speaker 1: You said, yeah, this particular one was. But they also

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had camp for like other individuals, like youth programs. But

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this was a camp for the blind.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I see if that's the case. One thing I

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can't wrap my mind round and figure out is one

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of the things that is involved with you having the

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encounter that night in two thousand and eight, was you

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were walking from your cabin to the latrine and the

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latrine was over a mile down this trail from where

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your cabin was. Why would they set up a situation

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like that, where in a camp that was going to

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be used by visually impaired people. Why would they have

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a situation like that set up where to get to

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the latrine from any of the cabins you would have

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to go even close to a mile. Was that of

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her brother?

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Speaker 1: It was just it was just the men's cabin that

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was that far out. The la female cabins were like

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twenty feet thirty twenty forty feet apart from the restroom.

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you know, men's, women's, anyone's cabin being that far away

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from the latrine. If people were going to be using

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that cabin who were visually impaired, sounds to me like

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that they really didn't do a good job thinking things through.

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present day, Dan, where are you from a psychological standpoint

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when it comes to your encounter? Are you still really traumatized?

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how do you classify yourself now as being able to

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Speaker 1: Let's see, it still freaks me out. But if anything,

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I kind of learned to I don't know if this

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makes sense, respect it almost. If I don't mess up it,

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it won't mess with me. As long as you know,

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I'm not in Internet of the woods. Well, but I

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do know they are real and they don't mess around.

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Speaker 2: Yes they are, and know they don't. And for you

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to be in such a healthy mindset present day, that

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you show us how resilient you are, because yeah, there

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are a lot of people who would have a really

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hard time bouncing back from that experience from what I

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understand you had an interesting conversation with a Native American

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man about your encounter. What did he have to say

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that was so interesting.

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Speaker 1: He was telling me how in his culture sometimes these

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unworldly beings are these natural beings as they are dogman, Bigfoot.

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so they'll mess up you. If they sense an intelligence,

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they become more cruel. So he said, in essense, you

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were kind of lucky and blessed because it was like

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nature was trying to put you to the test, and

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in his culture, at the sign of becoming a warrior

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or a man is coming out of that test of life.

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Speaker 2: Well, you were definitely tested, that's for sure.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about the blessed part. That was some

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scary nightmare stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't say you were blessed. That part I

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don't agree with at all. But yeah, like I said,

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you're awfully resilient to be able to be where you

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are today after such a traumatic experience. All right, Dan,

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please tell us about that encounter. Now, give us ever

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last detail that comes to mind.

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Speaker 1: All right, So, as Vic mentioned, the cabin was about

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a mile and at this campground they trained us to

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use our knes to fill the gravel paths. If you

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stayed on the gravel path, you knew you were going

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the right way, But if you veered off the pass,

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it was woodlands row thick woodlands on either side. Well,

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I was walking and it was cold and dark, and

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you in my limited vision, I don't like to and

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I especially out of nature. So I had this big,

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gigantic flood flashlight with me, one of those big square

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ones that has the flood beam and then it has

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ass signal, but I didn't have it on. I figured

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I'm just gonna use my landmarks. Well, I was walking

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and walking and walking, and then an owl screeched and

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it start me and I began to run and I

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plowed right into something big and solid and whatever it was.

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a bear because there was known to be bears in

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the area. Well, I backed up really slowly, turned on

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my flood flashlight, and I was looking around and it move?

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saw immense black shadow, like an outline, and I realized

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this thing was tall. So I moved my flask side

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up and about I'm like five to seven, so this

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thing had to be about eight foot tall. These big

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bright red eyes, and I don't know if you are

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any of you are familiar with the old fasting Christmas

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lights that were being around mixed bulbs. They were like that,

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big and red. And this thing started to low growl

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and I could eat not. The growling from this creature

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made my knees shake. And the only thing I could

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and compare it to is when they say when the

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lion growls, the roars, the impersonics can disembowel, play disdembow

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their prey. Well, this thing was making me shaken almost

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so up. Well let's skip back a little bit. I'm sorry. Also,

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before this thing were built, I ran into it. The

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smell of the most foul odor imaginable, like if you

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were to take a thousand dumpsters of meat, garbage and

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throwing the smell of sofur and wet dog almost felt

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like a really bad can't fly after you saw those

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water on it. I mean, this thing stunk. So I

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stayed still and did all my practice training. They say,

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if it's a bear or something, stand up real tall,

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make noise. Well, this thing just stared me down at

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its right eyes, and then I kept hearing swoosh, swoosh, sloosh,

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and I moved my flash slid around, and I had

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to see either my left or my right at to

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move my head. So I saw this thing's long arms

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and what looked like really long black nails. So at

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this point, I'm really freaked out. This thing is in

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front of me. It's intense woodlands on left and right.

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is to go back, so I would had to turn

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my back on this creature. So it started to move

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towards me. So I turned around and I ran, and

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I ran and ran and ran, and this thing was

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keeping up. And I don't know if it was for

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my praying or whatnot, but every time it flashed its claws,

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it came in f inches of me. And this thing

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new I honestly have to say, if it really wanted to,

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it could have taken me, because that's how fast it was.

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I run, and I run into the camp restrooms, and

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these restrooms it has a little wall partition that separates

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from the front of the bathroom and you go around

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it and unders the door. I flew in that bathroom

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door slammed its shad locked it, and this thing came

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barreling around the corner of the wall and started slamming

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at the door bam, bam bam, and the door was shaking.

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the corner of the door and in the middle of

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the metal brackets were visibly bouncing, and I thought, great,

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this is how I'm gonna die. So I went deeper

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into the restroom because one of those old shower camp

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bathrooms that go back thirty feet and so I started

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to take shelter under one of the benches there. This

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thing knew where I was, went around the restroom and

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was clawing and scratching at the door, at the wall,

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I mean. And then it started to do my games

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with me. It would move around and they would go

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and it was growling and snarling, and every few seconds

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it would hell, it would howl allowed. Well. Then I noticed,

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I thought, okay, relatively safe. The windows on this rescue

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are fourteen feet up in the air. This thing was trying.

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I would look up with my flash flight and I

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would see the red eyes leering again and it would

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fall back down. This went on for about it happened

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at eleven thirty, I would say about three thirty four

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it ended, and I just stayed in that bathroom because

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I knew if I leave this rescue now, I'm going

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to become dinner for this creature. Well, and I go

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back to my cabin, praying the whole time and running,

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get back to the cabin, crawling to bed, and about

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two hours later it was time for everyone to go

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start getting ready and getting up. Well, I got up

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early because I was already dressed and I wanted to

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go see where if what I saw was really a

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dream or not. Well, when I arrived back to the

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bathroom area, there was these ten blackout vans and three

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white sevs and I'm going, they're loading us up, They're

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getting us out of here. But then I thought, wait

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a minute, all the camp vans were white and blue.

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some were in camouflage, others were in suits. And this

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big burley guy came up to me and said, we

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understand you saw something last night. And I said, well,

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how do you know he said, let's just say we

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know what goes on, and we're tracking these things and

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I said, oh really. He said yeah, we've been tracking

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this to one for a while now and I said, oh,

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and okay, does the public know about these things? He

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said no, the plan to keep it that way, so

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if you value your neck, you would just shut up

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and listen. These things are real. They don't like humans.

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They're the alpha predator out here. And I said, okay,

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so what are we gonna do about it? He said, well,

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I don't know. If you noticed all these men and

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chemicalized that they're out looking for it. And I said okay,

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then what are these other people doing? He said, well

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they're cleanup beauty. He said, I'm sure you got a

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good look at it. It's Paul friends when you got up here.

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And I said yeah. He said, well, you see those

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guys and those few ladies at the big rooms. They're

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going up and down the path with a broom and

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they're brushing them all out. And I said why. He said,

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because we don't want the news to know about this.

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We don't want the public to know about this. And

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I said okay, I said what about the door? I

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go look at the door and the time it took them.

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Whenever they got there, they put a brand new door

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similar looking at her on there. And I said, okay,

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I said, and I forgot to mention this earlier. I'm sorry,

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it's just so exciting to tell my story. But when

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the thing was chasing me, I slung a broomhandle at

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it and they bit the broomhand. I said, could I

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take that broom for it for for you know, keepsake. No,

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we're sending that back to our lab. I'm like, why,

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he said, stop asking questions, okay. And then there was

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a a guy, a guy with cameraufla seeking out to

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me because his boss had to go take a report

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from his team. He sent out. He said, kid, I'm

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gonna let you know now you can go to the public.

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No one's gonna believe you, but just so you have

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peace of mind, he said, we have a warehouse in

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an undisclosed part of the country full of boxes of

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eyewitness accounts and attacks by these creatures. You think dog

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Man is the only one out here, he said, you

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would be surprised what lurks and goes bumping the night.

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He said, So you may go to the public, but

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you're no one's gonna really find out about it, because

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we're traying. People are trained not to believe in ghost

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stories and not to believe in monster stories, that they

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can't exist. Well, I learned first then, first time then

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that these things were real. And what really creeped me

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out the even after it was we would hear the

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sound of really stealthy footsteps that night afterward, and the

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all the adults chucked it, chucked it up to oh

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that's this deer and rustling around at night, that's this.

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But now, after that encounter, I knew a whole lot

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better of what was out there. These things are real.

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I wouldn't advise anyone to go after them and look

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for them. So I asked. I asked the guy. I said,

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so you guys are gonna go looking for this, you know,

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I don't think regular weapons are going to be going

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to help you. He said, son, hold your hand out,

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and he had this rifle of thock and I couldn't

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tell you what it was. He put my hand on

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the barrel. This thing must have shot shelves to side

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that somers is. He say, we got this, don't worry

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about it. And Jeff pretend it never happened. Well, there

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was an the campground owner. He came up and said, well,

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I heard it and I saw what it did to

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that room in that door. He said, Sara, do you

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value your life? You're gonna keep quiet about this. So

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after I contacted Vic, after finding out how to contact him,

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I went on some Facebook groups and posted my encounter. Well,

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through one of those encounters, I found a message from

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a couple of people that one of them was from

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the granddaughter of the campground owner. At the time. He

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knew that there were stuffs out there. He would always

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say bear because we would always hear shotgun a rifle fire.

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Now I think they were shooting at this thing. And

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they just said, oh, he call it bear because we

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don't want to get anyone panic. And then I got

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a contact from an unknown person said message unknown senderiality,

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message wrote a l after you read, and it was

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a message from one of the team members that said, Hi,

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I don't know if you remember me. My name is

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Sargent Jones, edited National Task Force Forestry. It I told

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you to keep these things quiet. If you keep meddling,

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something might happen. And I said, before I could write, Okay,

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I understood the message of race. So then I got

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back in touch of vic Heir and showed him on

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some different things. But that's my encounter to Nutshaw. The

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scariest summer of my life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then some Unfortunately, no one should have to

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go through anything nearly as traumatic as that. The fact

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that it came after you and it laid siege to

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that restroom the way it did, which brings me to

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that first question I've got for you, which is how

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long was it after that experience before you finally realized

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that if it wanted to get into that restaurant and

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get you, it could have easily done.

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Speaker 1: So, Oh, I made it into its attack because it

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was giggling the door handle.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, it was jiggling the door handle. But if

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it wanted to you, it could have come right through

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the wall.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it could have come through that. Those bricks would

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not hold it back. That metal door wouldn't have kept

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it out. That thing. I'm pretty sure it could even

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come up through the through the ground digging that thing.

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That thing was built. It had, like I said, with

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my vision, it looked to me like it had the

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body of a boxes. Now this thing looked like it

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had power.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it did.

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Speaker 1: And then some say it's shoulders were at least four

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feet across from each other, like this thing was big.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. And I'm pretty sure you're right.

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If I wanted to come up through the floor even

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I could have done that. That was also an option,

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which m hmm, yeah, that's just not good. I'm still wondering, though,

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you didn't clarify, how long was it before you actually realized, Okay,

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if this thing really wanted to get in there at me,

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it could have easily done.

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Speaker 1: So, I would say thirty seconds to a minute into

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being in that restroom.

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Speaker 2: Oh, so it didn't take you very long at all. M.

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Speaker 1: Every time I would go deeper into that restroom, like

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I said, it was a pretty long because they had

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like shower changing areas, it would go to the back.

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If I went to the back, if I went to

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the middle, it came. It was not the middle of wall.

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This thing was determined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wanted you to think that it was determined,

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but it was just a show was putting on. I mean,

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we've already established the fact that if I wanted to

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get in there at you and that restroom it could

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have easily done. So, so obviously it was just a performance.

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It was putting on a sick performance, but an effective nonetheless.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and the fact people tell me, oh, it

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was a bear, trust me. I know what bears look like.

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I watched tons of bear documentaries. I know what cougars

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look like and sound like. This thing wasn't bear, It

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wasn't cougar, it wasn't bigfoot.

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Speaker 2: No, you saw clearly what it was. It wasn't any

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of those things. It was a dog man. And that's

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that behavior is textbook behavior for them, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: And I can honestly say running from it. If it

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really wanted to, it could have just took me out

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in one blow.

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Speaker 2: You sure it could have. Well, you bumped into it,

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for goodness sakes, which m hmm, that's even worse. Did

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you have any smell on you after bumping into it?

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Speaker 1: I showered. I showered while I was in there because

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I was just too busy freaking out. I thought the

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shower would help because I didn't want to see them

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follow me back or get my have my scent on

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him too hard, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: That does make sense, But with their sense of smell.

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I'm sure you would have easily have been able to

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smell you nonetheless, But before you took that shower, did

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you notice any smell from it on you? Possibly?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Like I said, it smelt like wet dog mixed

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with campfire smoke, like when you throw water on a campfire.

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It smelled like that.

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Speaker 2: So that's how you smelled before you took that shower.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's horrible, absolutely horrible. How far down the trail

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were you though, when you bumped into it?

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Speaker 1: I would say I got all about thirty feet off

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the path back to the path. I had to run backward,

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and the cat the way the main road is set

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up is in a big circle, so I had to

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go back to the grapple trail, orient myself and then

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find out which way to go, and just took off

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that way. Discussing, so.

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Speaker 2: You saw you bumped into this dog man on the

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way to the restroom, obviously, but you were just about

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thirty feet from the end of the trail where the

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trail ended and the restroom was there when you.

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Speaker 1: Bumped to thirty feet off of the main pathway, like

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I took the wrong turn and went actually into the woods.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, Yeah, I knew you got lost, But if

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you had to guess how far away from your cabin

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you left your cabin, you headed down the trail, and

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then you got lost how far down?

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Speaker 1: Maybe a quarter a mile away, about.

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Speaker 2: A quarter mile, so pretty close to being too far

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away for anyone to hear you, mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: And then I found out recently from some counselors that

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used to work there with us. I come in contact

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with them every now and then at the blind center

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I go to you. They said, oh, we heard, we

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heard you scream, and we heard the growls and howls

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and noisies, but we were too afraid to do anything

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about it.

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Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Yeah, that was nice of them. I guess

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the only thing missing was a bucket of popcorn. Yeah, yeah,

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they could have just sat down with a bucket of popcorn.

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It sounds like they had no concern on helping you, unfortunately.

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Speaker 1: But oh man, to those people that want to go

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looking for them, I highly recommend don't bother. They'll have

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your scent. They're probably on the trail. You won't even

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recognize them on broad daylight.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt about that. There's no future in that.

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It really isn't How do you think it knew where

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you were in the restroom when it couldn't see you.

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You talked about the windows being up so high where

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it had to jump to look in.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say this thing was kind of intelligent.

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It knew the layout because it would start messing, scratching,

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clong at one part of the wall, and it would

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like it systematically went to every inch of the wall. Like.

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I don't know if it could smell through the wall

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or just sense, but it knew where to make me jump.

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Did that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Well, if that restroom had block walls, cinder block walls,

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there's no way it could have smelled through the walls.

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Maybe a crack around a window or something like that.

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But that still doesn't explain how it knew exactly where

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you were unless it had supernatural qualities. Have you thought

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much about that possibility?

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Speaker 1: I would say maybe. But I do know that they

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did keep like two or three of those windows open

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just to keep the bathrooms from smelling muggy or musty musky,

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So I guess they could have used that too, But

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I don't know. But it would find where I was

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every time and tell you what it was the most

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terrifying thing ever.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. And also that's something interesting

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you just mentioned. Yeah, some of the windows were open.

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There's a strong possibility it was just listening and I

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heard where you were. That's how you were to find you.

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So yeah, I'm pretty sure that's what was going on.

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Did anything ever happen to you after you left the

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camp that you think just might have been dogged and related?

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Speaker 1: Well, I didn't feel comfortable the rest of that campcript

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Like every time I went outside, even in broad daylight,

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I was scanning around. People thought, Oh, you're just being paranoid,

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you're afraid, you're a sissy. But I kind of knew

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00:30:58,839 --> 00:31:03,000
throsthand what was out there. And there was a few

476
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,960
times after those visits where we would be walking around

477
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,680
and you would hear a bird flying fruit and then

478
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,559
you would hear it get snap. You would hear it

479
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,319
get snatched out of the air, and you would hear crunching.

480
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400
So that thing stood around, stuck around for a while.

481
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,039
Speaker 2: And from the things you've told me about that camp,

482
00:31:22,519 --> 00:31:25,039
they knew they had a problem. Shame on them for

483
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,599
allowing kids people to still come there without warning, and

484
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,119
they should have just shut the place down. Shame on them.

485
00:31:33,079 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: And it was interesting because before the whole encounter, in

486
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,720
this town of Quincy, they have a giant, humongous pond

487
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:44,279
that used to be part of a lumber pond or

488
00:31:44,359 --> 00:31:47,559
a saw meal. And there was an old man out

489
00:31:47,599 --> 00:31:49,839
there and he came up to me and said, you

490
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,319
know you're going to this camp? I said yeah. He said,

491
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,960
those bumps you're here in the dark. Those aren't bear

492
00:31:56,119 --> 00:31:59,559
Those aren't coyotes. He said, I would watch their back

493
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,160
and help to god, it never finds you.

494
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 2: Well, if that is an anomous warning, I don't know

495
00:32:06,039 --> 00:32:06,480
what is.

496
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: And so I thought it brof. You know, guy was

497
00:32:10,079 --> 00:32:13,680
just trying to scare a teenager. You know city Dwell,

498
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,240
we're a kid coming out here. Butn't it.

499
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd say he knew something. He knew what was

500
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:23,960
going on. For everyone listening. If you have any questions

501
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:26,039
you want me to ask, Dan, please go ahead and

502
00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,319
get those ready and post them now. Be sure to

503
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:30,119
post them in all the caps though, so I don't

504
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,359
miss them. Thank you, Dan. How many years had you

505
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,400
been attending that camp before you had that experience?

506
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: I was attending at.

507
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:48,279
Speaker 2: Three years, So three years had anything happened in any

508
00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:50,960
of those prior years that seemed kind of off.

509
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:59,599
Speaker 1: Well, we would do night hikes, and the whole point

510
00:32:59,599 --> 00:33:03,000
of the night hike quest to welcome new camp initiates

511
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,920
and scare the daylights out of them, and I always

512
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,079
didn't like them because it felt like something was out

513
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:14,519
there more than just the adults running around acting like

514
00:33:14,559 --> 00:33:16,519
idiots trying to scare kids.

515
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, shame of them for doing that. That's not good.

516
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: You would actually, I don't know if this makes sense.

517
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:25,880
You could just feel evil in the air.

518
00:33:28,599 --> 00:33:31,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there are a lot of people who've had

519
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,799
experiences with these guys who swear up and down all

520
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,640
day long that they have supernatural qualities. And I wouldn't

521
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,039
argue with that. I mean, they've done so many things

522
00:33:40,039 --> 00:33:42,519
and do so many things that point soundly towards that

523
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:46,400
being a reality that yeah, they just might be right

524
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:46,920
about that.

525
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:57,599
Speaker 1: And then a few times you would hear and whenever

526
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:01,759
that happened, I just stuck close to a group. But

527
00:34:01,839 --> 00:34:03,640
now that I know it was out that that staying

528
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,279
up a group wouldn't have done nothing. It would have

529
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:07,480
been just sarines and a can.

530
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about that. Had a captive audience, that's

531
00:34:13,519 --> 00:34:17,519
for sure, considering how frightening that experience was. Have you

532
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,559
set foot in the woods by yourself since you had

533
00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:21,360
that experience?

534
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:24,559
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not.

535
00:34:27,039 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 2: Do you have any plans on doing so in the future.

536
00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:34,639
Speaker 1: I want to, but not to sound like everyone else.

537
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:36,320
If I ever go back out to I want a

538
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:42,000
gun that works, that's more than just your basic hunting

539
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:43,159
hunting weapons.

540
00:34:46,159 --> 00:34:53,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean that's just a false sense of

541
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,440
security there. I've mentioned this in several shows before, people

542
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,480
talk about how they're going to take a gun out

543
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,880
into the woods and protect themselves consequently from a dog

544
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:07,440
man attack. These guys are so comfortable and so skilled

545
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,639
out there in the woods. I don't care what kind

546
00:35:10,679 --> 00:35:15,400
of top notch outdoorsmen or outdoors woman you think you are.

547
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:17,159
I don't care if you can light a campfire with

548
00:35:17,199 --> 00:35:20,519
a blue angel, a dog man that wants to sneak

549
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:22,440
up on you and take you out, it can do

550
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:26,920
that with ease. So don't kid yourself having a gun

551
00:35:27,079 --> 00:35:28,960
that doesn't protect you from a dog Me of those

552
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,079
guy that it's had to take you out at all,

553
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,559
And that's a fact.

554
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: In the way. They so fast it can get the

555
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,079
jump on someone. I believe in a second, if it

556
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:42,920
wouldn't take that gun, we wouldn't be able to aim

557
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:43,360
in time.

558
00:35:45,159 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 2: Oh, no doubt. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. Like

559
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:50,800
I said, I mean, if they want to take you out,

560
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,800
they can do it. It will really easily. Well, let's

561
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,760
get to some of the listeners' questions now. The first

562
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,719
one is from Audacious Amber, and Amber wants to know

563
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,599
do you remember any special equipment they had, like a

564
00:36:05,639 --> 00:36:08,920
device to affect its hearing? Do you remember seeing anything

565
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,000
else about the cleanup or militant people of interest? Of

566
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,440
course you mentioned that big rifle, if you could call

567
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:15,840
it that.

568
00:36:16,159 --> 00:36:22,079
Speaker 1: But yeah, they also had what looked like dog whistles.

569
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:30,559
Are really big dog whistles, And from what I researched

570
00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:33,760
on these things from people that go out on the

571
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,639
know they like hurt their ears and make them whimper

572
00:36:36,639 --> 00:36:41,400
and wine. Yeah.

573
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: On episode one ninety of the show, Brandon Close talked

574
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:50,480
about seeing one of the Alphabet agencies. Someone came out

575
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,760
there and used a type of dish type device to

576
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:59,480
hurt the dog man's ears. Apparently, so they also.

577
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,639
Speaker 1: Have a They also have a supersonic thing they hook

578
00:37:03,679 --> 00:37:04,599
up to a microphone and.

579
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 2: Blair, you saw them they had that also.

580
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was in one of their gig boxes.

581
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: Well it sounds like they brought all kinds of goodies

582
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:16,880
out then.

583
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: But to be perfectly honest, I don't think they would

584
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,599
honestly have worked. Shoot, that thing was that big. I

585
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,039
think it would just be pissed off even more.

586
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:35,679
Speaker 2: And just might be right about that. DJ Chris mad Come.

587
00:37:35,679 --> 00:37:38,519
I having a hard time understanding his question. I think

588
00:37:38,519 --> 00:37:41,199
he's saying you were very lucky, Dan, and then his

589
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,159
question is do you think it was so mad from

590
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,119
you bumping into it? Also? Did it slash at you

591
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,920
every time that you prayed as you ran from.

592
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: It, Yes, that you would feel the air of its

593
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:57,840
class that that's how close it was.

594
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, shame on it it for doing that. Of course,

595
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:03,920
it was just trying to get a response out of you.

596
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:05,639
I mean, as fast as it was, it could have

597
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,800
easily just run right up to you if it wanted

598
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,400
to do that. But it was clearly doing that for

599
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,880
full effect to try and terrify you even more. Like

600
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,400
I said, shame on it for doing that. That's horrible,

601
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:22,280
absolutely horrible, it really is, And I'm pretty sure it

602
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,039
wasn't mad at you for bumping into it. I'm sure

603
00:38:25,039 --> 00:38:27,079
it's pretty happy that you bumped.

604
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,599
Speaker 1: Into it like a dog wanted to play. You can

605
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:30,119
call it that.

606
00:38:31,599 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what did you say? I didn't hear the

607
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:35,880
first part, so.

608
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: I thought it, to be honestly, I thought it wanted

609
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,360
to play like some twisted like, oh you want to

610
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:46,599
play cag you want to play fits? Well, I really

611
00:38:46,639 --> 00:38:49,079
wanted to it knew. I don't think it was angry.

612
00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:50,320
I think it was just one of the mess if

613
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,360
means you how far to go?

614
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's good you understand that, because yeah, I've

615
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,599
got no doubts that's what was behind it chasing you

616
00:38:59,679 --> 00:39:03,199
the way did, or running behind you more accurately the

617
00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,079
way it did. But yeah, that's just.

618
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: To be honest, not to cut anyone's comments off. I

619
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,639
even think it knew I had an eye condition.

620
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,159
Speaker 2: Why do you think that?

621
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,519
Speaker 1: Because before it runs, it would go from side to side.

622
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have known somehow. It's hard to say.

623
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:28,159
There are people who swear up and down we've had

624
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,079
encounters with these things that they've experienced mind speak. So

625
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,559
if they can do that, maybe they do know things

626
00:39:34,639 --> 00:39:37,719
like that about us, that that other people wouldn't be

627
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,119
privy to information they wouldn't be privy to and no,

628
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,199
mm hmm, so that's possible. This next question is from

629
00:39:45,199 --> 00:39:47,960
Glenn Kamada, and Glenn wants to know have you heard

630
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:50,480
of dog Man or had you? I think that should

631
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:53,679
read had you heard of dog Men prior to your encounter?

632
00:39:55,079 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: Yes, And to be honest, most people are gonna laugh.

633
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:01,320
I used to watch Monster a lot as a teenager.

634
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,960
I don't know if anyone's familiar with that show on

635
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:07,760
Animal Planet.

636
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,599
Speaker 2: Oh, I think everyone listening is that's a staple. That's

637
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,400
a great show, and.

638
00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:17,519
Speaker 1: So I knew from that, But I always thought it

639
00:40:17,639 --> 00:40:26,000
was campfire stories to scare people or you know, terrifying

640
00:40:26,039 --> 00:40:27,880
tales in the dark. But nope, it's real.

641
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely are. Do you think watching Monster quest

642
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,400
the way you did, do you think that kind of

643
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,000
prepared you in a way for having that experience?

644
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,599
Speaker 1: Yes, because there was an episode with the I want

645
00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:49,880
to say it was the North American dog Man episode

646
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,480
and they talked about how cool and calculating it was

647
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:56,719
and how one of the researchers said he knew to

648
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,159
stand his ground, not the show fear, so I kind

649
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:03,360
of knew all that from the film.

650
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: Well that's good. It sounds like it did prepare you

651
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:07,559
in a way for that experience.

652
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: But man, tell you what between that show and the

653
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,719
real life incident can't compare?

654
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 2: Well, of course you can't. Yeah, there's no comparison whatsoever.

655
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,000
That's just watching a TV show compared to real life.

656
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,039
So yeah, you're right. This next question up is from

657
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:32,920
Audacious Amber, and she wants to know do you think

658
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:35,480
it was trying to speak any mind speak?

659
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 1: I would say yes, has to be perfectly honest. There

660
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,119
were times when I would hear inside my head stop running,

661
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:53,719
just surrender wow, Or I even had the inclinations that

662
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,360
it was trying to tell me to turn around looks

663
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,599
and I always just told myself, well, if we turn

664
00:41:58,679 --> 00:42:00,679
around and stop, it's gonna get it's even worse.

665
00:42:05,119 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: Well maybe yes, maybe no, But yeah, the fact that

666
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:12,199
it was not only running behind you the way it was,

667
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,000
but it was trying to tell you to stop. I

668
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:17,880
don't understand that part though, because it could have caught

669
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,079
you easily at will. Yeah, so why bother telling you

670
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,679
to stop? I guess it probably did that just to

671
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:26,239
heighten your fear even more if that was possible.

672
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,199
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what. The whole thing of getting

673
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,039
up real tall and shouting like I do at a

674
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:40,119
Barrett and don't do nothing, if anything, it smiles.

675
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,079
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, these things, like I told you in our

676
00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:51,360
conversation are private conversation, the most recent one. They're so intelligent.

677
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,519
They know when you're doing things like that you're just

678
00:42:53,559 --> 00:42:56,320
trying to bluff them, and they know that they've got

679
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,719
you so outclassed. There's nothing you can do to them.

680
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,679
So while it might work on a black beer, it's

681
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,119
not going to work on them. There's no way, no

682
00:43:07,199 --> 00:43:11,800
way at all. This next question up on deck is

683
00:43:12,039 --> 00:43:16,239
from the SHOWBA and the show wants to know did

684
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,800
the man who told you about the cleanup seem to

685
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,480
be a local or from somewhere else?

686
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: I would say somewhere else because he didn't how to

687
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,519
put it, He didn't like you needn't belong in that area,

688
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,639
And if all the equipment they had, I want to

689
00:43:41,679 --> 00:43:43,760
say he was some kind of tracker or researcher.

690
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just might have been. And it sounds like

691
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,800
you've got your own dogmen in the background.

692
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: Back.

693
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,599
Speaker 2: Sorry, Oh that's all right, that's life. There's only so

694
00:43:57,679 --> 00:44:01,119
much you can do about that. This next question is

695
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:05,039
from Andrea Sores. And Andrea wants to know have you

696
00:44:05,119 --> 00:44:08,519
encountered other pure normal phenomena or no others who have

697
00:44:08,679 --> 00:44:11,440
seen the dog me in What theories do you believe

698
00:44:11,559 --> 00:44:13,440
best explain these sightings.

699
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,559
Speaker 1: Well, I've known a few people that have seen dogwin.

700
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,599
Where I do a lot of traveling, I listened to

701
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:23,559
some of these podcasts and sometimes I don't have my

702
00:44:23,599 --> 00:44:28,199
headphones in. I had a guy a couple of years

703
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,320
back telling me how he was hunting up in Georgia

704
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:37,280
with his cousins and he said that it felt like

705
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:40,400
they were being stalked all night long. He said, and

706
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,599
his two cousins, one was an army ranger and the

707
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:48,079
other was an off duty sniper, and that they were

708
00:44:48,119 --> 00:44:50,360
so tripped out that they laughed after the person night.

709
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,079
Speaker 2: Well, I can understand why.

710
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 1: And then there was another gal tell me that her

711
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:03,480
a story about her and her dad. They were out

712
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:11,920
hunting raccoons up in Michigan and they said it sounded

713
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,199
like something was tearing apart a mountaine because they heard

714
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,159
a mountain lion roar. And then they said all they

715
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:21,880
heard was scratching and golong. And she said after that

716
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,119
night her dad, who was a season hunter for many

717
00:45:24,199 --> 00:45:26,079
years and never went back out on the woods.

718
00:45:27,559 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Betty didn't. That has a way of motivating you

719
00:45:31,480 --> 00:45:33,280
to stay out of the woods. It really does.

720
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: But as far as me seeing other things I've encountered,

721
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,599
I don't know how to describe it. Ghostly, demonic things.

722
00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:55,039
I've seen things that shouldn't exist. And my only thing

723
00:45:55,079 --> 00:45:57,679
I guess is just don't show fear. Your best, best

724
00:45:57,679 --> 00:45:59,440
you can get.

725
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: Your option are awfully limited when it comes to experiences

726
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:06,000
like this with dog men. But yeah, not showing fear,

727
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:08,800
that's easier said than done. If you can pull that off,

728
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,840
then the bad part of it is they're gonna know

729
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,880
how frightened you are anyway from the pheromones you're putting

730
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,920
off and just reading your body language. I mean, there's

731
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:21,000
trying not to show fear, but it's still being evident

732
00:46:21,079 --> 00:46:23,880
to an expert. Yea such as a dog or such

733
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:28,199
as them. Yeah and Dan, let's do the best weeken

734
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,039
not to interrupt each other. Oh, oh, that's all right,

735
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,599
that's all right. The next whoops before I mention that

736
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:39,960
I've got a donation from Bang Bang. Thank you so much,

737
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,480
bang Bang. I really appreciate it. But I made a

738
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:46,519
comment on the last show. It's awfully nice of you

739
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:50,800
who have been making donations, but instead of sending in

740
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:56,400
donations for me, please just support these eyewitnesses and if

741
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,239
you can do that, the more you can support them,

742
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,880
the better. I mean, I'd much rather see you just

743
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:06,719
support the guests than send in donations for me. Again,

744
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:10,320
that's awfully appreciated, very nice of you, but I just

745
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:11,840
wanted to put that out there for you.

746
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 1: All right.

747
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 2: This next question is from that's already been the answered

748
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,480
about the pure normal experiences. I can take that one off.

749
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,800
This next one up is from Todd Bettina. Todd wants

750
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,320
to know were you the only one at the camp

751
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:35,480
who had experiences? If so, did you speak with them?

752
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,679
Speaker 1: I was the only one, like I said, the adult

753
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,960
heard and I just found that out as of last year.

754
00:47:42,119 --> 00:47:44,039
Speaker 2: So you found out that you weren't the only one.

755
00:47:44,039 --> 00:47:47,039
Speaker 1: Then yeah, they don't start it, but then they didn't

756
00:47:47,079 --> 00:47:48,440
see what it actually was.

757
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: Well, there's a difference between hearing one out there or

758
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,440
more than one out there, and actually having an encounter.

759
00:47:55,679 --> 00:47:57,800
It sounds like you didn't hear of anyone else actually

760
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:02,280
having an encounter with one. Yeah, okay, I see, sorry

761
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,159
about that. Oh no, you're fine. You're fine. And like

762
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:07,639
I said before, they clearly knew they had a problem

763
00:48:07,639 --> 00:48:11,000
there at that camp. Shame on them for allowing people

764
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:15,840
to come there and be basically hung out to dry,

765
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:24,360
that's what they were doing. Unfortunately. This next question is

766
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,079
from the Cryptid Wrangler and they want to know, Dandy,

767
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:29,599
you think it may have taken advantage of your ability

768
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,639
not to be able to see you close up?

769
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.

770
00:48:34,519 --> 00:48:37,039
Speaker 2: Like I told you before we started recording tonight, I'm

771
00:48:37,079 --> 00:48:43,239
pretty sure that it knew somehow, it knew that your

772
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:48,000
site was compromised, and it probably did take advantage of that.

773
00:48:48,079 --> 00:48:52,280
These guys are masters at manipulating us and taking advantage,

774
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,880
so somehow, I think it probably did play on that.

775
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,920
The next one up is from Jerry Cahill, and Jerry

776
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,920
wants to know do you think invoking Jesus would help?

777
00:49:06,039 --> 00:49:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, because, like I said, I was praying out loud,

778
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,199
and every time I mentioned God's name or Jesus it

779
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:18,679
how would he put it? And it was still charging,

780
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,280
but it would like not see much fears, if that

781
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:22,920
makes sense.

782
00:49:24,119 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what did you say.

783
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: I would say it kind of because it would kind

784
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:31,880
of like stop for like a second, but then it

785
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,599
just kept coming.

786
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 2: Hmm. Well, there are a lot of people out there

787
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,039
who swear invoking Jesus as a magic bullet that'll send

788
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:43,280
these guys packing never to come back, so it's interesting

789
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,519
to hear you say that you did invoke Jesus and

790
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,599
it worked momentarily, but it kept on coming after that,

791
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:54,480
so apparently that's not a magic bullet. This next question

792
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,960
up is from Scott Baker, and Scott wants to know

793
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,400
did your guest recall any UFO reports before, during, or

794
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:03,320
after re searching?

795
00:50:13,639 --> 00:50:15,679
Speaker 1: There was one and I just thought at the time

796
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:21,000
that it was just a giant airplane. But there was

797
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:23,440
like six lights up in the sky. But the way

798
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:28,159
they were set up, it was like it was like

799
00:50:28,199 --> 00:50:31,440
a triangle facing a triangle some sense, like at the

800
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,840
two tops of the tryang two most at the try.

801
00:50:36,079 --> 00:50:40,719
How they put it at the point that the triangles

802
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,800
are facing each other, that's how the lighter Huh.

803
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure it's not lost on you that you're

804
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:49,639
far from the only eyewitness to report seeing something like that,

805
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:54,599
possible UFO activity either right before or right after a

806
00:50:54,679 --> 00:50:58,880
dog mean encounter. You're not alone in that at all,

807
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,960
by a long shot. I mean they're connected somehow. It

808
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:06,599
makes you wonder there's a strong possibility they are bud. Yeah,

809
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,800
all we can do is guess on that. This next

810
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,920
question you answered when you were telling us about your encounter,

811
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,440
it's from Bang Bang. She wants to know if it

812
00:51:16,599 --> 00:51:19,119
smiled at you, and from what you said, it did

813
00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:20,360
grin at you. Correct.

814
00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it did grin. It knew what it was doing,

815
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,639
and it almost looked like it was having fun of it.

816
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,199
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it was. What a sick ol. The

817
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:34,920
next one is from Uncaged Savage good name any remembrance

818
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:37,920
of weird fog or missed in and around the same time.

819
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:42,559
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm actually god that person brought that up, thank you.

820
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:51,039
But before I stumbled into it, like I mentioned, and

821
00:51:51,039 --> 00:51:52,480
when you know how if you have a raging camp

822
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,559
fight and the thill water on it and that all

823
00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:59,360
that smoke and billows, it was like that and then

824
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:02,960
the smell, Oh my god, the smell was terrible. But yeah,

825
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,480
there was like a big flash of smoke.

826
00:52:06,639 --> 00:52:06,840
Speaker 3: Huh.

827
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: Does make you wonder what's behind that. But there's so

828
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:15,320
many things these guys do that make you wonder that, definitely.

829
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,760
This next question up is from Ryan Scott and Ryan

830
00:52:18,840 --> 00:52:20,639
wants to know do you think it was playing a

831
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:22,639
sick game of hide and seek? Possibly?

832
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:30,280
Speaker 1: I would say it wanted to, because, like I said,

833
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,679
it would dart from side to side, in and out

834
00:52:32,679 --> 00:52:34,159
of the light.

835
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,519
Speaker 2: Hide and seek. I don't know if that's a good

836
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:40,159
way to sum it up. More like cat and mouse,

837
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:45,000
although yeah, didn't want to actually catch you the way

838
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:47,760
cat would want to catch a mouse, But I think

839
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:52,920
that's a better comparison there. This next question up is

840
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:57,440
from Audacious Amber and Amber wants to know where the

841
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,639
ears on top of its head are on the side

842
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:01,119
and so, did you see a tail?

843
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:05,039
Speaker 1: I think it couldn't make out if it had a tail,

844
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,280
but the ears were on the sides, but they were

845
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,039
pointed straight up, if that makes sense.

846
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 2: So they were on the sides of its head but

847
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:18,239
still pointing straight up. Mm hmm, okay, I see.

848
00:53:18,119 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: But if you looked up at its head you could

849
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:22,400
tell they were constantly putting.

850
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 2: If its ear is one of the sides of its head,

851
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,320
that makes me wonder what its leg structure was like.

852
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:30,480
I didn't hear you mentioned that.

853
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:37,639
Speaker 1: When I did look down, I would say the legs

854
00:53:37,679 --> 00:53:46,320
were long and very muscular. Its that I don't know.

855
00:53:46,360 --> 00:53:53,599
I don't describe one, but they almost just took a

856
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:55,960
really big man's legs, if that makes sense.

857
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: So it had knees and ankles instead of stifled joint

858
00:54:00,159 --> 00:54:01,920
and the hawks we had dog would.

859
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,119
Speaker 1: No, I don't know, and I'm thinking it had like

860
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:12,679
human legs, but it had the It had like dogish legs,

861
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,760
but the way they were wide, and they were as

862
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:19,400
wide as a human, they were like normal dog looking legs.

863
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 2: I see. Okay, it sounds like it was pretty darn

864
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:28,000
close to you and you didn't get a good look

865
00:54:28,039 --> 00:54:30,159
at it. So I'm not sure you'll know the answer

866
00:54:30,159 --> 00:54:33,440
to this question. But when you would see it jump

867
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:36,039
up and look through the window at you when you're

868
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:40,119
in the restroom, you'd mention seeing its eyes glow. And

869
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:42,559
then when you were running, you thought you were running

870
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:44,400
for your life from it out there in the woods,

871
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:47,639
and understandably so I fully understand why you did run

872
00:54:47,679 --> 00:54:50,360
from it. But at any time when you did look

873
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,840
at it and see its eyes, did you ever get

874
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:56,199
to see eye glow like a And when he did

875
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,519
see eye glow, did he don't notice anything strange about

876
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:03,239
that eye shine that made you thought, oh, well, that's unusual.

877
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:08,599
Of course, outside of the fact that sorry, oh no,

878
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:10,239
you're fine. I'm sorry. What were you saying?

879
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,559
Speaker 1: Yes, because a few times I shown my flask sad

880
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,199
because I did hear about I sen from mons requests

881
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,159
and these things almost look like fiery pit if that

882
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:21,800
makes sense.

883
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, that does make sense.

884
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,199
Speaker 1: I mean you could just they glowed evil. There is

885
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:29,760
no other word. But they glowed evil.

886
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,639
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure they did. Was there anything else about

887
00:55:33,679 --> 00:55:36,840
its size that made you think, wow, that's really strange.

888
00:55:38,199 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: They were almost hypnotic.

889
00:55:40,679 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

890
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 1: A lot of people would look at you and you

891
00:55:43,039 --> 00:55:45,519
when it locked eyes, it almost felt like it was

892
00:55:45,559 --> 00:55:46,480
riding your soul.

893
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:50,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of eyewitnesses that reported that feeling almost

894
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,159
like it was trying to steal their soul when it

895
00:55:52,199 --> 00:55:57,400
was steering at them. So that's not unprecedented. The next

896
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,239
one up is from David's seal, and David wants to know,

897
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,679
is there's still a military base near the Mountain Range.

898
00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:07,679
Speaker 1: You know, that's the funny thing. I never did find

899
00:56:07,679 --> 00:56:14,480
out about that. But when I was getting interviewed by

900
00:56:14,519 --> 00:56:21,440
that investigator, one of their banns had tons of computer

901
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,719
screens and they were talking about how they monitor all

902
00:56:24,760 --> 00:56:26,880
these things around. I don't know if they follow like

903
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:33,599
migration patterns or go up the strays, but they had

904
00:56:34,159 --> 00:56:35,079
cameras on these things.

905
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:39,639
Speaker 2: Apparently, well, if they are able to track them, maybe

906
00:56:39,639 --> 00:56:42,719
that's how they do it. Maybe it's via drones or

907
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,239
something else. I don't know. It's hard to say for

908
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,719
sure about that. This next one up is from Andre's Carizales,

909
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,400
and Andres wants to know was the camp near any

910
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,880
government owned forests with no public access?

911
00:56:59,039 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: To be honest, I'm not sure.

912
00:57:00,039 --> 00:57:04,559
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh no need to apologize. Mean if you

913
00:57:04,599 --> 00:57:07,559
don't know, you don't know, mm hmm. You didn't really

914
00:57:07,599 --> 00:57:10,440
have any reasons, you know, So no harm, no foul.

915
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:14,800
David Seal also wants to know the menu saw. Were

916
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:17,000
they more like military or do you think they were

917
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:18,239
from a different agency.

918
00:57:20,239 --> 00:57:22,679
Speaker 1: I would say maybe different agency, But they did have

919
00:57:22,719 --> 00:57:27,159
camouflage outputs on and combat boots, and they had fancy

920
00:57:27,239 --> 00:57:31,599
binocular stapped to their chests and different get ups like

921
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:35,599
one person had because they asked him what they were.

922
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:42,159
He had infrared and SNAr detectors on him, so I

923
00:57:42,159 --> 00:57:44,760
think they were They had if they wanted to, they

924
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,480
had a night troops and a troops to deploy.

925
00:57:51,679 --> 00:57:56,079
Speaker 2: They probably do. They've got so many resources, endless resources.

926
00:57:56,119 --> 00:57:59,320
They probably do. They've got all these angles covered, that's

927
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,280
a given. Dreamer's Nightmare wants to know where it's hands

928
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:04,480
like raccoon hands.

929
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,559
Speaker 1: The only thing you could tell about the hands is

930
00:58:07,599 --> 00:58:10,239
that the clause was sharp and black. I don't know

931
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:10,800
if that helps.

932
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, Oh, no, need to apologize. I mean, you

933
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:17,679
thought you were running for your life, so trying to

934
00:58:17,719 --> 00:58:20,800
study its hands or any other anatomical features that's going

935
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,960
to be the last thing on your mind. So that's understandable. There,

936
00:58:25,079 --> 00:58:27,719
don't blame me at all. The next one up is

937
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,840
from Uncaged Savage, and they want to know did it

938
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,000
run like a person? Did it have straight legs? You

939
00:58:34,039 --> 00:58:36,440
already mentioned the fact that it had dog like legs,

940
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:39,559
But when it ran, did it still run like a person?

941
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,519
Speaker 1: Yeah? It did run up right.

942
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:45,079
Speaker 2: Well, I think what they want to know is they

943
00:58:45,119 --> 00:58:48,079
knew that it was running upright, but did it one

944
00:58:48,159 --> 00:58:51,480
gentle way that was inhuman or did it have a

945
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,840
human style git to it.

946
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:56,800
Speaker 1: It had a human style gate, but it would do

947
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,960
I call it like feedbirthday. I would get like right

948
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:03,199
up on your heels and it would fall back and

949
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:05,079
then would like told you for you that.

950
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:09,599
Speaker 2: Way, that's horrible. Again. One more thing it could do

951
00:59:09,719 --> 00:59:11,400
in a new full well that by doing that, it

952
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,800
would just panick you that much more. Like we talked

953
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:17,639
about before it started recording tonight. Now, I think this

954
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:20,320
was earlier today when we were talking. As a matter

955
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,280
of fact, we talked about how these guys they really

956
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:26,159
do know how to push our buttons. They're masters at that.

957
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:30,880
Bang Bang wants to know, Dan. Was it robotic in

958
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,119
movement or fluid?

959
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:39,559
Speaker 1: It was fluid. There was nothing slow or robotic about it.

960
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 2: That's weird. Sometimes these guys do move and a jerky,

961
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:49,000
maybe kind of quasi robotic way. Other times it would.

962
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 1: It was kind of like almost now that you mentioned it,

963
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,639
it would like to shake from put the foot almost

964
00:59:56,960 --> 00:59:59,639
I'm not to describe it. But it would walk, but

965
00:59:59,679 --> 01:00:01,519
it was like it was bouncing as it walked.

966
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:03,960
Speaker 2: It would bounce when it walked.

967
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: Not that bounce, but it would I go from foot

968
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:10,719
to foot like back and forth for a while. I

969
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:11,880
don't know how to describe it.

970
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: I think I understand what you're saying. I don't know

971
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,719
what's behind the way some of these guys move in

972
01:00:19,840 --> 01:00:23,239
such strange ways. I don't know what's behind that at all.

973
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:28,119
On one hand, some of them, when they're standing there,

974
01:00:28,159 --> 01:00:32,360
they look awkward and kind of jerky, and then when

975
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:36,320
they transition into running, even by petally, they're really fast

976
01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,519
and they can run like it's going out of style.

977
01:00:39,719 --> 01:00:41,880
I just don't understand that. You would think that if

978
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,719
they're unsteady just standing there, if they look like they're

979
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:48,880
Some eyewitnesses have compared it to looking like a woman

980
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:53,599
in really high heels. They look a little unsteady, and

981
01:00:53,599 --> 01:00:54,280
and yeah, I.

982
01:00:54,679 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: Think push it over if you want to do Yeah,

983
01:00:57,159 --> 01:00:58,159
they want to get that close.

984
01:00:58,719 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: So how do you transition from that awkwardness and then

985
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:06,440
when you start running you can run like it's going

986
01:01:06,519 --> 01:01:09,480
out of style. It's just hard for me to understand.

987
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:13,119
I don't get that, but that's how they are in

988
01:01:13,159 --> 01:01:16,320
a lot of cases. This next question is from DJ

989
01:01:16,639 --> 01:01:19,519
Chris Mack, and he wants to know are you expecting

990
01:01:19,559 --> 01:01:22,199
a follow up from the cleanup crew for going public.

991
01:01:22,519 --> 01:01:25,559
They seem very open to give info to you. Also,

992
01:01:25,719 --> 01:01:28,360
do you live far from the encounter and expect another

993
01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,760
dog being visit at home?

994
01:01:31,159 --> 01:01:35,360
Speaker 1: I hope not. I live about from the campsite. I'm

995
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:36,760
about two and a half hours away.

996
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:39,679
Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm glad you live so far.

997
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:47,639
Speaker 1: And as far as fed If they really wanted me

998
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,360
they could they could easily get me to two people

999
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:53,719
search or anything like that, So I'm not too worried

1000
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:54,079
about that.

1001
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's good you realize that if the FEDS were

1002
01:01:58,519 --> 01:02:02,239
that concerned about keeping people from talking about them, I

1003
01:02:02,239 --> 01:02:05,119
would have been shut down a long time ago. Here,

1004
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:09,599
he's concerned about their existence not being officially proven as

1005
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:11,880
long as you don't try to prove their existence and

1006
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,440
more importantly, have evidence to prove their existence, and they

1007
01:02:15,440 --> 01:02:18,639
couldn't care less. One guy who got a nasty phone call,

1008
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,920
he actually was told by the operative who called him

1009
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,320
in the middle of the night talk about them until

1010
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:27,280
you're blue in the face. But their problem, the reason

1011
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:30,480
why this person was contacted in the first place was

1012
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,679
they had evidence. I guess you could say that was

1013
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:36,519
a little too good to be putting out there for

1014
01:02:36,599 --> 01:02:41,639
the government's comfort. So yeah, I think you're going to

1015
01:02:41,719 --> 01:02:45,840
be just fine. The next question is from Amelia Route

1016
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:49,400
Show and Amelia wants to know when you bumped into

1017
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,559
the dog man, was his or her fur rough?

1018
01:02:54,239 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it felt almost. I don't know if anyone's been

1019
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:07,760
to a back pro shop for a Cabellos and you

1020
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,440
go up to where the bigloe bears are standing. It

1021
01:03:11,519 --> 01:03:15,519
felt like that for but like a hundred times thicker

1022
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:17,519
and like matted.

1023
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:21,239
Speaker 2: That's the weird thing about these guys. Some of them

1024
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,400
they let their coats are matted, nasty and all that.

1025
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Others they look like they stepped out of a salon.

1026
01:03:28,599 --> 01:03:31,480
It really makes you wonder why some look so neat

1027
01:03:31,519 --> 01:03:33,440
and others are so unkept.

1028
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: Maybe you take the warriors ones are the ones that

1029
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:39,519
are always a un kept Yeah.

1030
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,960
Speaker 2: Might be on to something there, that's a good point.

1031
01:03:43,159 --> 01:03:46,599
This next question is from Julie A. Thurston, and Julie

1032
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:48,840
wants to know are you planning to return to this

1033
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:50,159
camp again in the future.

1034
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:57,239
Speaker 1: Nope, because even at four camp cabin walls, I wouldn't

1035
01:03:57,440 --> 01:03:58,760
want to test it.

1036
01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:02,039
Speaker 2: Can't say I'll blame you. Yeah, once bitten twice, shy

1037
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:05,159
and in my opinion. I do think that would be

1038
01:04:05,239 --> 01:04:07,639
putting too much weight on a young back. I mean,

1039
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,400
you are dealing with this experience very well, but I

1040
01:04:11,440 --> 01:04:13,159
think it would be a mistake to go back to

1041
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:16,280
where that dog man might be and tempt another encounter

1042
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:20,480
to happen. It's a good move there. The next question

1043
01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:23,760
is from Jerry Cahill, and Jerry wants to know did

1044
01:04:23,800 --> 01:04:27,159
the research team only interview you or did they talk

1045
01:04:27,199 --> 01:04:27,960
with anyone else?

1046
01:04:29,679 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 1: Did they only talk to me because they didn't want

1047
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,599
to bring others into it because they were trying to

1048
01:04:34,639 --> 01:04:41,079
keep it huh huh? And the way they were moving

1049
01:04:41,119 --> 01:04:42,960
about the ones out in the field, they were like

1050
01:04:43,119 --> 01:04:47,199
super duper quiet, so like they knew what they were doing,

1051
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,360
gathering information, but they were going as tales that they could.

1052
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:54,159
Speaker 2: And they're probably keeping you a pretty good distance away

1053
01:04:54,159 --> 01:04:57,360
from everyone else when they're asking you those questions, weren't

1054
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:05,679
they Yeah, surprise, surprise, that's sop. I'm not surprised they did. Well,

1055
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:08,320
We've got one more question here I'm going to ask you,

1056
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,239
and that's from Jimmy Murray, and Jimmy wants to know,

1057
01:05:12,119 --> 01:05:14,719
are they all about creating human fear to feed off

1058
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:17,400
the negative energy we create. That's more of a general

1059
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,760
question that I'm going to try to answer. We don't

1060
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,360
really know why they do what they do. When you

1061
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:27,639
look at all of the cases out there that I've

1062
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:33,239
been exposed to talking with eyewitnesses, I mean that, my opinion,

1063
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:37,079
is the only logical explanation for why they force these

1064
01:05:37,159 --> 01:05:40,039
en counters to happen with eyewitnesses. I mean, they could

1065
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:44,360
clearly grab these eyewitnesses and kill them, eat them, do

1066
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:47,440
whatever they want to do, but in almost every case,

1067
01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:51,199
they don't do that. So, yeah, it apparently does come

1068
01:05:51,239 --> 01:05:54,000
down to fear. It could be something as innocent, and

1069
01:05:54,039 --> 01:05:56,599
I use that word very loosely. It could come down

1070
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,480
to something as innocent as them just getting their kicks

1071
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:03,880
by people, the way a schoolyard bully likes to frighten

1072
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,280
other smaller kids. It could be as simple as that.

1073
01:06:07,679 --> 01:06:10,119
Or maybe they do actually somehow feed off of the

1074
01:06:10,159 --> 01:06:14,199
fear in some kind of a strange, paranormal way. So

1075
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:19,280
why they do that, I mean, that's just a question.

1076
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:20,920
I don't think we're ever going to have the answer to.

1077
01:06:21,679 --> 01:06:24,800
All we can do is guess on that. But having

1078
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,719
said all that, do you have any closing comments you'd

1079
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:29,320
like to share with the listeners, Dan.

1080
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:36,079
Speaker 1: Is just only if you go out the words, keep

1081
01:06:36,119 --> 01:06:38,880
your eye, keep your eyes and ears on a swivel.

1082
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:45,079
If things sound too stealth moving about, get out of

1083
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:51,280
the as and as. Again, because I watched so many documentaries,

1084
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:55,119
bears are clunky, wolves are clunky. These things are going

1085
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:58,320
for a stef as possible. And if it gets definitely quiet,

1086
01:06:58,599 --> 01:07:02,440
any smell in order, just go about face, get back

1087
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:06,840
to your vehicles and don't even go and just stay tafe.

1088
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:12,239
Inform your family if you're going out in the woods,

1089
01:07:15,119 --> 01:07:16,239
and just pray.

1090
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,239
Speaker 2: Well, that's all really good advice, very good advice.

1091
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:22,079
Speaker 1: Dan.

1092
01:07:22,199 --> 01:07:24,559
Speaker 2: I can't thank you enough for coming on tonight's show,

1093
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:27,880
especially on such shortened notice. I really do appreciate it.

1094
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:30,639
And please remember down the road if you ever do

1095
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,360
need help. Again, we've already established the fact that you're

1096
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,079
dealing with that encounter very well now, but down the

1097
01:07:36,159 --> 01:07:38,880
road for some reason, if you do need help, please

1098
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,440
do let me know because I'll always be there for you.

1099
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:42,639
Speaker 1: Awesome.

1100
01:07:42,639 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Oh you're welcome. Well, having said that,

1101
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:49,159
thanks again so much for coming on, and have a

1102
01:07:49,159 --> 01:07:53,000
great night. Well that's another one. In the books everyone.

1103
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:56,239
Like I touched on earlier, We're gonna have another show

1104
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:59,280
coming up Monday night, and then I'm going to air

1105
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:03,280
another show Wednesday night, and then another show Friday night.

1106
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,440
So I've got three shows booked for this week, so

1107
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:09,559
pretty much every other day of the week, you've got

1108
01:08:09,559 --> 01:08:14,239
a new episode to listen to. But, like I say

1109
01:08:14,280 --> 01:08:15,880
at the end of every show, if you've had a

1110
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,560
dog mean encounter of your own that you'd like help with,

1111
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,600
and all you have to do is just go to

1112
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,800
dogmandcounters dot com, submit a report and let me know.

1113
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,800
If you do that, then I'll contact you and schedule

1114
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,520
a phone consultation so we can find out what's wrong

1115
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:32,640
and we'll take it from there. Same thing. Hoh, it's true.

1116
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,239
If you want to just come on the show and

1117
01:08:34,279 --> 01:08:37,039
share your experience the way that Dan did tonight or

1118
01:08:37,079 --> 01:08:39,600
any of the other guests have, please just go to

1119
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:42,680
the website submit a reporting. I'll contact you to get

1120
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:46,199
that set up. But having said that, thanks again so

1121
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:48,800
much for listening everyone. I really do appreciate it.

1122
01:08:48,840 --> 01:09:09,399
Speaker 3: To have a great nights.

1123
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: English