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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Bill Handle on demand from KFI AM

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<v Speaker 1>six forty.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you engaging voice Guy. Pleasure being with you.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about whether or not you are now living

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<v Speaker 1>in a Fire's on his new maps have been released.

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<v Speaker 1>It's coming up here after an update on the news

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<v Speaker 1>with Amy King and about a quarter after first. The

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<v Speaker 1>big news is that the Trump officials are facing some

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<v Speaker 1>backlash and Democrats are jumping on it after it's revealed

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<v Speaker 1>that the plans to attack the Hooti rebels in Yemen.

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<v Speaker 2>We're being discussed via an unsecured chat app. KTLA had

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<v Speaker 2>that story.

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<v Speaker 3>Secret war plans revealed in a group chat involving the

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<v Speaker 3>nation's top security officials and a journalist who is added

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<v Speaker 3>to the conversation by mistake. Tonight, President Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>Says, I still don't know how you get added by mistake.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having real difficulty understanding this. I mean, we've all

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<v Speaker 1>butt dialed somebody, but we don't but add to a

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<v Speaker 1>group chat. I have enough trouble trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 1>how to add someone to a group chat. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine accidentally doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>He knows nothing about the incident, and Secretary of Defense

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<v Speaker 3>Pete Hegseth is denying the allegations.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the Trump administration confirms the text threat quote appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be legitimate.

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<v Speaker 2>Sandra Mitchell live in the KTLA News Center with details.

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<v Speaker 4>Cendra, Yeah, the messages appear to be authentic. That is

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<v Speaker 4>the word from the White House National Security Council spokesperson tonight. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>if it is true, it would be a stunning breach

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<v Speaker 4>of national security. Still, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth is adamant.

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<v Speaker 4>He says, nothing confidential.

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<v Speaker 2>Was shared, all right, So what do we know? Officially?

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<v Speaker 1>The reporter says, I was added to the chat. The

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Defense says, yep, it's legit. Sec death. What

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<v Speaker 1>does he say?

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<v Speaker 4>As the US launched attacks on whot rebels in Yemen,

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<v Speaker 4>A journalist says he knew exactly what was unfolding. He

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<v Speaker 4>already told us this because he was mistakenly included in

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<v Speaker 4>a group chat by Mike Walls, President Trump's National security advisor,

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<v Speaker 4>with top officials sharing details of the war plan.

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<v Speaker 5>He was texting war plans. He was texting attack plans,

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<v Speaker 5>when targets were going to be targeted, how they were

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<v Speaker 5>going to be targeted. Who was at the targets when

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<v Speaker 5>the next sequence of attacks were happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Appearing on CNN tonight, the editor of The Atlantic, Jeffrey Goldberg,

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<v Speaker 4>detailed how he mistakenly was included in an encrypted messaging

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<v Speaker 4>app with Vice President jd Vance, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth,

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<v Speaker 4>and fifteen other top officials talking about military strikes in Yemen.

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<v Speaker 1>So they accidentally added a journalist, and it just happened

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<v Speaker 1>to be accidentally one of the one of the top journalists.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't like they got somebody from the Poughkeepsie Weekly.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't know what it was or or who it was.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was a hoax.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought somebody was trying to entrap me.

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<v Speaker 4>It was not a hoax. Back on March fifteenth, two

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<v Speaker 4>hours after Goldberg apparently got the tax the bombing began.

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<v Speaker 6>Nobody was texting war plans.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's all I have to say about that.

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<v Speaker 4>With some Democrats now furious over the current security breach

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<v Speaker 4>and calling for an immediate hearing on the matter, hag

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<v Speaker 4>Seth denied the allegation and attacked Goldberg's credibility.

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<v Speaker 6>They deceitful and highly discredited so called journalists who's made

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<v Speaker 6>a profession of peddling hoax his time and time again.

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<v Speaker 4>Christident Trump also criticizing the.

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<v Speaker 2>But how does that change the situation? Listen to what

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<v Speaker 2>HEGs has said.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, remember it's been confirmed by the Department of Defense,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're unfamiliar, The Secretary of Defense is over the

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Defense. So his department confirms, yes, this was

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<v Speaker 1>the check, Yes he was added to it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Hegxith's response is, well the journalist is I don't like him.

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<v Speaker 6>They deceitful and highly discredited so called journalist who's made

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<v Speaker 6>a profession of pedaling hoaxes time and time again.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, even even taking what Hexith says and assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that's true, why was a deceitful and discredited so called

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<v Speaker 1>journalist who pedals hoaxes added to your war plans group chat?

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<v Speaker 1>And well, those weren't war plans. I've seen the report.

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<v Speaker 1>There's receipts, it's screenshots of the of the chat. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not as though it's up for dispute. His own his

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<v Speaker 1>own department said, yeah, that's legit. Yep, that was the chat.

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<v Speaker 1>So what is Hexith saying here? Hexyth, a former television

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<v Speaker 1>news guy, should know just because you yell at the

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<v Speaker 1>messenger doesn't mean the messenger was wrong or that the

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<v Speaker 1>message was errant. So this feels a lot like feels

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like when my daughter's cat finds itself stuck

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know where the opening is. It just starts swatting

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<v Speaker 1>at the inside of the paper bag. I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here somehow. In other words, he's throwing haymakers

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<v Speaker 1>and they're not really landing. He's just throwing haymakers. Because

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<v Speaker 1>the narrative when you start talking with your coworkers, and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll talk to some coworkers that are hard left, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk to friends that might be far right, you'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>to people that are in the middle, and you're discussing

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<v Speaker 1>this and you're saying, I can't believe they did this.

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<v Speaker 1>And someone's gonna say that journalist is trash. Pete Hegsith

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<v Speaker 1>says he's discredited, he pedals hoaxes, and you go, where's

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<v Speaker 1>the lie. Even if you don't like the journalist, even

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<v Speaker 1>if this journalist was full of trash before.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if this wasn't a journalist, if.

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<v Speaker 1>They somehow accidentally added your plumber to the group chat,

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<v Speaker 1>and the plumber took screenshots of the group chat. You

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<v Speaker 1>can't come out and say this is a terrible plumber.

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<v Speaker 1>My sink is still leaking after he was there. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't change the content of the group chat, and it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't change the fact that their screenshots to show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, he was in it.

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<v Speaker 1>It also doesn't change the fact that the Department of

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<v Speaker 1>Defense acknowledged Yep, it's legit. So while you continue swinging

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<v Speaker 1>at the inside of that paper bag, you're not getting

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<v Speaker 1>any closer to finding your way out.

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<v Speaker 4>President Trump also criticizing The Atlantic and denied knowledge of

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<v Speaker 4>the attacks and said the attack on the Hooties was successful, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, attacking the Atlantic doesn't change the fact that there

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<v Speaker 1>are receipts.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't know anything about it. I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 7>fan of The Atlantic. To me, it's a magazine that's

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<v Speaker 7>going out of business. I think it's not much of

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<v Speaker 7>a magazine. But I know nothing about it. The attack

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<v Speaker 7>was very effective. I can tell you that I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know anything about it.

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<v Speaker 1>All Right, Again, we're attacking the Atlantic. We're saying they're

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<v Speaker 1>a trash organization. We're saying that this journalist is terrible. If,

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<v Speaker 1>in fact, The Atlantic is a bad news publication. If

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<v Speaker 1>this journalist is so bad at his job and is

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<v Speaker 1>discredited and is not someone anyone should listen to, why

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<v Speaker 1>was he added to the group chat? Oh, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was an accident. Why is he even in your contact list?

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<v Speaker 1>How does he end up on the signal app with

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else? The Vice President, the Secretary of Defense, the

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<v Speaker 1>National Security Advisor, and random guy who we all hate.

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<v Speaker 1>It's strange I have a group chat with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of guys.

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<v Speaker 2>We do. I'm gonna get geeky here for a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>We do every year we do a trip to Las

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<v Speaker 1>Vegas and we have this fantasy football draft and get together.

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<v Speaker 1>We hang out at the pool, we go get some drinks,

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<v Speaker 1>We talk about everybody's football teams and how bad they are,

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<v Speaker 1>and then throughout the year we converse often about sports,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes about life, about my buddy's third marriage since since

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<v Speaker 1>the league got together, and how he's a serial womanizer,

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<v Speaker 1>another dude who's an absolute drunkard and continues to post

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<v Speaker 1>pictures and we simultaneously try to counsel him and egg

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<v Speaker 1>him on because we're dudes and that's what we do.

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<v Speaker 1>We had a guy that left the group. He was mad,

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<v Speaker 1>he was bitter at the rest of the group. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you know what we all did? We deleted his contact

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<v Speaker 1>info because we didn't like him anymore. How is it

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<v Speaker 1>you have a guy that is discredited, you claim as

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<v Speaker 1>a so called journalist, a hoax peddler, who works for

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<v Speaker 1>a terrible news organization, one that's failing going down the tubes,

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<v Speaker 1>won't be in business much longer, and yet he's still

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<v Speaker 1>so readily available in your contact list that he could

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally be added to the war chat? Is there anyone

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<v Speaker 1>else being accidentally invited into these chats? Do we accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>invite Elon Musk into our classified information chats? Are we

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<v Speaker 1>accidentally inviting Vladimir Putin into our our chats? Who else

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<v Speaker 1>is being accidentally invited into our unsecure classified information group texts?

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<v Speaker 1>There are so many questions that this unforced error is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be significantly detrimental. Someone is going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>their job, you mark my word. Somebody's going to lose

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<v Speaker 1>their job over this, And I'm going to guess that's

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<v Speaker 1>the security advisor Waltz. Michael Waltz. I think he's probably

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<v Speaker 1>gonna lose his job. Because he's the one that accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>added the journalist to the unsecure group chat. And then

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<v Speaker 1>of course the Democrats are going to hammer on after

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<v Speaker 1>everything you talked about with Hillary Clinton's emails on an

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<v Speaker 1>or on a private server, how could you let this

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<v Speaker 1>happen on a chat service that we don't run. There

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<v Speaker 1>are so many questions that are going to continue to

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<v Speaker 1>be asked about this. Just mark my words on that,

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<v Speaker 1>all right. Didn't want to talk fire for just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>You heard the Conway's promo that some of the firefighters

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<v Speaker 1>are showing high levels of lead and mercury, the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that fought the Eating and the Palisades fires, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>you wonder how they got that.

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<v Speaker 2>What's where did it come from? They were breathing into smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>The smoke obviously had levels of lead and mercury in it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes you wonder what contained it that burned

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<v Speaker 1>and then what's the word a rated that I guess

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<v Speaker 1>not aerrated, vaporized it and then put it into the smoke.

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<v Speaker 1>But we are seeing calfires come out and they said

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<v Speaker 1>fire risk is.

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<v Speaker 2>Higher in far more areas than.

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<v Speaker 1>What we have said in the past. KTLA was reporting

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<v Speaker 1>on the new fire map.

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<v Speaker 8>Well two minutes after wild fires ravage our region, cal

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<v Speaker 8>Fire has released updated fire maps for southern California. This

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<v Speaker 8>marks the first time they have been updated in more

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<v Speaker 8>than a decade. The maps are compiled by the State

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<v Speaker 8>Forestry and Fire Protection Department and designate three levels of

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<v Speaker 8>fire hazards, moderate, high, and very high. This is based

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<v Speaker 8>on variables like vegetation, terrain, and recent burn history. Updated

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<v Speaker 8>maps for fifteen counties in central California were released two

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<v Speaker 8>weeks ago, and more than one point two million acres

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<v Speaker 8>were added into the hazard zones.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and a total of three and a half

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<v Speaker 1>million acres statewide. Now here's where this gets interesting. According

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<v Speaker 1>to Orange County Register, new fire hazard zones appear to

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<v Speaker 1>leave out at least half of the neighborhoods that were

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<v Speaker 1>burned during the Eton fire. So you have people that

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<v Speaker 1>live in areas that were decimated by fire, and cal

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<v Speaker 1>Fire has not added those neighborhoods to any sort of

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<v Speaker 1>even moderate risk area. The State Forestry and Fire Protection

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<v Speaker 1>Department compiled the maps. They indicate where the probability of

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<v Speaker 1>the fire is the greatest over the next thirty to

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years, and then with that you have to consider

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<v Speaker 1>the different potential implications for rebuilding and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>homes and businesses that are rebuilding are We're going to have.

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<v Speaker 2>New building codes.

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<v Speaker 1>Because of the new hazards that would extend the hazard map,

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<v Speaker 1>And again when you talk about the new building codes,

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<v Speaker 2>Will there be.

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<v Speaker 1>Will there be codes that address materials that are being

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<v Speaker 1>In Altadena, hazard maps released at least fourteen years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>They've extended those a bit further, but as we know,

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<v Speaker 1>If we were to equate this to a different natural threat.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that when you buy a house, you have

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<v Speaker 1>whatever that might be. And then all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>out with a new flood risk map and they go, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine if after Katrina evaluators went through New Orleans and

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<v Speaker 1>that's not really a high risk area. We would say,

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<v Speaker 1>we're still draining. How do you say it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>In the same way we're saying, how do you say

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a high risk area. We're still shoveling ashes.

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<v Speaker 1>How is this not high fire risk? I'm still sifting

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<v Speaker 1>and you're telling me there isn't a high fire risk.

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<v Speaker 2>There is a high fire risk. And so some people

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<v Speaker 1>Things are continuing to move very rapidly in this fire

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<v Speaker 1>hose of chaos that is the current administration. Whether it's

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<v Speaker 2>There's just so much happening.

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<v Speaker 1>And the latest arguments with the court system go back

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<v Speaker 9>This morning, another two hundred Venezuela nationals arrived in the

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<v Speaker 9>capital of Caracas after being deported by the Trump administration. Today,

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<v Speaker 9>three judges on an appeals panel in DC are set

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<v Speaker 9>in a notorious prison in Elsalvador. The Trump administration is

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<v Speaker 9>now looking to reverse a federal judge's order trying to

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<v Speaker 9>halt deportations. This morning, Judge James Bosburg ruled the Venezuelan

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<v Speaker 9>migrants deserve to have a court hearing before their deportations

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<v Speaker 9>to determine whether or not they belong to the violent

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<v Speaker 9>gang trend de ragua. Mister President, do you think you

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<v Speaker 9>have the authority the power to round up people, to

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<v Speaker 9>port them, and then you're under no obligation to a

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's what the law says, and that's what our

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<v Speaker 1>So the slippery slope on this, of course, is that

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<v Speaker 1>by simply declaring anyone a terrorists, you can deport them

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<v Speaker 1>if there is no due process, if there is no

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<v Speaker 1>recourse by the accused, then are we in fact a

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<v Speaker 1>nation of laws?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we have individual rights?

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<v Speaker 1>If all it takes is an accusation by someone in

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<v Speaker 1>authority to say you're a bad person. I can do

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<v Speaker 1>to do so. Do you have any rights? And I

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<v Speaker 1>know what you're thinking to think, well, that'll never happen

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<v Speaker 1>to me. And I get what you're saying, But at

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<v Speaker 1>what point? At what point do we draw the line?

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<v Speaker 6>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>What happens when you actually have to show evidence they well,

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<v Speaker 1>they're not US citizen? Well don't we have to have

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<v Speaker 1>due process where they could appeal the fact that you

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<v Speaker 1>say they're not here legally. We already know that we are.

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<v Speaker 1>We're detaining people who do have permanent residency simply because

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<v Speaker 1>the administration says, well that person's a terrorists, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to revoke their visas. So is anybody safe is the

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<v Speaker 1>big question? And a judge says you.

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<v Speaker 9>Can't do it that way, went ahead with the deportations

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<v Speaker 9>despite the judges ruling to turn the planes carrying them around.

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<v Speaker 9>Boseburg warn there will be consequences if he decides his

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<v Speaker 9>order was deliberately disobeyed. President Trump ramping up attacks on Boseburg,

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<v Speaker 9>demanding heaping impeached or disbarred, and Trump's borders are defiant.

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<v Speaker 1>We're going to keep targeting the worst of the worst,

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<v Speaker 1>which we've been doing since day one in deporting from

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<v Speaker 1>the United States through the various flaws on the books.

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<v Speaker 2>They are targeting the worst of the worst. At least

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<v Speaker 2>they tell us that these people are the worst of

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<v Speaker 2>the worst. There's no evidence though. See, this is the issue.

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<v Speaker 1>Because we also are getting stories of people like this

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<v Speaker 1>couple in Orange County. If you didn't hear about this

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<v Speaker 1>as a couple of Orange County, been here thirty five years,

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<v Speaker 1>raised their kids, have been paying taxes, and they're deported.

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<v Speaker 1>No criminal background, no criminal history by all accounts. Their

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<v Speaker 1>only crime is the misdemeanor of not having documents in

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<v Speaker 1>this country. They pay their taxes better than most Americans do.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're being deported. Are they the worst of the worst?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>So you go, well, they broke the law, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely right, they broke the law they did. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the priority? In other words, I heard I heard the

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<v Speaker 1>promo that John Cobbolt has coming up for a show today,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's right. If all of a sudden, HP designs

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to start enforcing speeding and you've been speeding

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<v Speaker 1>and they haven't pulled you over in the past, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>today's the day that they enforce it. It's just the

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<v Speaker 1>way it is. And he's one hundred percent correct on that.

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<v Speaker 1>But let's let's dive a little bit deeper.

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<v Speaker 2>Then.

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<v Speaker 1>Suppose that you are driving with a group of cars

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<v Speaker 1>and we know how this happens. You end up in clusters, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or if this were racing with French and tight pants,

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<v Speaker 1>we would call this the peloton. So let's say that

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<v Speaker 1>you are in this peloton and you're you're going down

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<v Speaker 1>a lifted f two fifty comes flying by you. Somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know who's flying on the on the freeways,

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<v Speaker 1>but somehow they found a pocket and they.

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<v Speaker 2>Go flying by you. So you're driving with a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say there's six seven of you that are going eighty,

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<v Speaker 1>and this truck goes flying by, and you go, that

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<v Speaker 1>car that truck is easily doing ninety or ninety five,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you see Punch and John pull out and

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<v Speaker 1>they hit their lights and you go, they're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>that sucker, but they don't. They pull you over and

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<v Speaker 1>they give you a ticket, and you say, wait a minute, am.

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<v Speaker 2>I the bigger threat?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I just watched this guy on in F two

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<v Speaker 1>know you saw him because I saw him past you

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<v Speaker 1>before you pulled out and then and then stop me.

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<v Speaker 1>And the officer goes, yeah, but you broke the law.

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<v Speaker 1>The officer is one hundred percent correct, You did break

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<v Speaker 1>the law. Law you do deserve that ticket. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>the priority that we want our law enforcement working on?

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<v Speaker 1>Or do we want law enforcement working harder on the

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<v Speaker 1>guy who is a bigger law breaker driving a vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>that is much larger than yours, that.

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<v Speaker 2>Can do far more damage.

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<v Speaker 1>And where we also have to be careful is just

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<v Speaker 1>because we know one guy is driving an F two

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<v Speaker 1>fifty at ninety five miles an hour doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>everybody driving a pickup is violating the law. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is where the judge says there has to be due process.

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<v Speaker 1>If you say someone is a member of a gang

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<v Speaker 1>that you've deemed a terrorist organization, doesn't that person have

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<v Speaker 1>the right to show up and say no, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>And isn't the onus i'm the accuser to provide the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that, yes, that person is a threat to national security,

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<v Speaker 1>in the same way that if you pull me over

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<v Speaker 1>I must be somebody who speeds and creates havoc, don't

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<v Speaker 1>I have the right to appeal that and say, show

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<v Speaker 1>me the radar, show me the evidence that you caught

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<v Speaker 1>me speeding. This is what's at issue, And instead what

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<v Speaker 1>we hear is the judge is a bad person. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that we're actually making things safer this way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yesterday I was talking with you about this, twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>and Me filing for bankruptcy.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe you remember the story ABC seven was reporting on

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<v Speaker 2>aenetic testing company.

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<v Speaker 10>Twenty three and Me has now filed for Chapter eleven

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<v Speaker 10>bankruptcy protection. The firm, valued at fifty million dollars, is

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<v Speaker 10>pushing for a buyout. So far, the board has rejected

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<v Speaker 10>all offers, now saying a court supervised sale is the

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<v Speaker 10>best path forward. Twenty three and Me will continue operations

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<v Speaker 10>during this process. This, of course, comes just one day

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<v Speaker 10>after California Attorney General Rob Bonte issued a consumer alert

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<v Speaker 10>about the potential of this very thing happening, reminding customers

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<v Speaker 10>consider invoking their rights to have twenty three and meters

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, destroy genetic samples means rinse, you're spitting down the sink,

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<v Speaker 1>because what happens is you spit in the tube, you

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<v Speaker 1>mail it to them, and then they keep it and

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<v Speaker 1>they've got a big safe I'm not joking it. They

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<v Speaker 1>have a big vault filled with little samples of spittle

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<v Speaker 1>and they hang on to that stuff, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>have the analysis comes out, and then that data is

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<v Speaker 1>stored on their servers. And what happens is you can

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<v Speaker 1>access the data, you can download that data, you can

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<v Speaker 1>save your data. So while Rob Bonta says you should

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<v Speaker 1>You can download your data so that you will still

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<v Speaker 1>these you know what's gonna happen with the samples, what's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen with the with the data? With everybody's portfolio

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<v Speaker 1>of of of their information. Because twenty three and meters

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<v Speaker 1>will like other genetic testing companies, you can use that information,

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<v Speaker 1>and twenty three meters is the second largest beyond ancestry.

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<v Speaker 1>You can use that information to evaluate some of your

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<v Speaker 1>health risks. That's twenty three and meters. Big thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that they do the genetic testing, so you can see

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<v Speaker 1>do I have a higher risk of, say, breast cancer,

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<v Speaker 1>it might be, and then you can use that accordingly

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<v Speaker 1>so that you can plan your life out and then

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<v Speaker 1>make sure your funeral plans are in place. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to rely on your terrible children because they stopped

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<v Speaker 1>loving you the minute that they moved out.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens with your info?

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<v Speaker 1>Though, even if you download it, if you're someone that

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<v Speaker 1>uses it for genetic testing, right, you've got it. If

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<v Speaker 1>you're somebody that uses that for piecing together, say a

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<v Speaker 1>family tree, you're going to lose the tree what you

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<v Speaker 1>can do.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to lose the connections.

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<v Speaker 1>You're gonna lose the details on it because as everyone

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<v Speaker 1>is deleting their information from it, all of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 1>it no longer connects on their database. So suppose that

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to use a simple eggs sample here. Suppose

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<v Speaker 1>that it's you and your sibling and you've both spit

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<v Speaker 1>in a tube and you mail it in, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you've got a profile that says here's your profile, and

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<v Speaker 1>you you say, am I matching with anyone else who's

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<v Speaker 1>made their profile available for potential mask matching? And it says, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>your your profile matches your siblings. So your your brother

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<v Speaker 1>or your sister here it is.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine that your brother or your sister deletes their profile

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<v Speaker 1>all of a sudden, it no longer matches you.

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<v Speaker 2>See.

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<v Speaker 1>So what some people are doing right now is they're

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<v Speaker 1>taking screenshots of those matches because even if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you download your profile, it is not showing any connections

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<v Speaker 1>because your profile on your your computer, your cloud, whoever

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<v Speaker 1>you say it, if it is not tied with theirs,

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<v Speaker 1>then it doesn't it doesn't show that connection any longer.

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<v Speaker 1>So some people are taking some screenshots ahead of time

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<v Speaker 1>to say, oh, I want to make sure I don't

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<v Speaker 1>lose my great great great great uncle and find out

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<v Speaker 1>you know that they came over on a boat from Norway.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're taking screenshots before a bunch of data gets deleted.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't necessarily need to delete it quite yet. Bonta

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<v Speaker 1>is warning you you could take you could take advantage

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<v Speaker 1>of this.

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<v Speaker 2>You should do it.

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<v Speaker 1>If the sale goes through and you're concerned about where

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<v Speaker 1>that data might go, you can delete it. You can

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<v Speaker 1>take care of it right now if you want. You

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<v Speaker 1>can take care of it in the future, but there

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<v Speaker 1>are there are some questions and if they end up

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<v Speaker 1>going dark, then you can delete it also. That'll be

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<v Speaker 1>part of any bankruptcy filing, is to make sure that

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<v Speaker 1>the eyes are dotted and the t's are crossed. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if they're going to actually liquidate though, because the

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<v Speaker 1>co founder, who owns forty nine percent of the stock,

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<v Speaker 1>she's part of the group that keeps blocking the sale

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<v Speaker 1>because she wants to buy it. Twenty three meters used

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<v Speaker 1>to be worth, by the way, six billion dollars. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it's only worth fifty million because they had a data

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<v Speaker 1>breach in twenty twenty three and people freaked out, as

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<v Speaker 1>well they should, because not only would you be losing

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<v Speaker 1>your social security information and things like that, but all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, people are literally seeing what your DNA

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<v Speaker 1>is made up of.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about identity theft.

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Maryland for Bill Handle Today KFI am six forty.

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