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and sustainability times Saxson College Football. In this segment, one

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of the key questions of the day, I think for

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BYU fans has been who's gonna be the new defensive coordinator,

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who's gonna be a new quarterbacks coach, who's gonna be

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the new safety's coach there at Brigham Young University. We'll

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maybe get into some of that here Momentarily. I won't

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give you my thoughts my commentary to it, but I

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also want to discuss a couple of things that college

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football insiders have been putting out and those that are

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representing the athletic I believe Bruce Feldman put out an

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article and it rings true for everyone that has discussed

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just how the SEC the Mighty have fallen from grace.

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Bruce Feldman tweets this and I quote this is a

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I think this is a Big ten coach, anonymous big

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ten coach. Hard to ignore the fact that when everybody

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got to pay players, it leveled the playing field immediately.

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Speaker 3: They can deny all they want, but that's a fact.

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Speaker 2: Bruce Feldman says, I'm looking forward to joining Paul Feinbaum

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at four pm Easter Time on the SEC networks to

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discuss the story on the SEC. The SEC's abysmal ball record.

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That's right, the dismal ball record this season points to

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the fundamental truth. Money matters ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls,

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and that's what I'm getting at here.

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Speaker 3: The SEC build its brand off of bag men.

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Speaker 2: When you build a brand off of cheating, lying, stealing,

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filthy luke or cash and you're not allowing anybody else

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to cheat, or you just cheat better than everybody else,

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that's a problem. So that's why the SEC is realing.

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That's why Nick Saban retired. That's why this travesty of

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the College Football Playoff in twenty twenty five of including

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five SEC teams, is just ridiculous. The SEC's disimal bull

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record this season points to that fundamental truth. Yes, money matters,

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but cheating occurred for too long in the SEC. It

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just means more there. What does that mean? It means

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they're willing to send money and cheat while others are

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trying to their best to abide by the rules. Okay,

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several coaches the Athletics spoke to this weekend weren't shocked

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that Indiana handled Alabama. After all, the Hoosiers were almost

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a double digit favor it was how the game unfolded.

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They mauled the tie thirty eight to three, out rushing

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them two hundred and fifteen yards to twenty three. That

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ain't in Alabama defense, said a powerful offensive coordinator who

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used one of the most damning words a coach can

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evoke about another football team.

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Speaker 3: Soft.

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, the coach continued, and this is y'all's job, not

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my job, But there needs to be an evaluation of

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this narrative of the SEC is these big and bad

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mother lovers right because they're getting their butts whipped in

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these games?

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Speaker 3: Is that true?

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Speaker 2: The playoffs finals January eighth, the ninth featured two Big

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one SEC team all missed. More broadly across bowl games,

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it just means more slogan in their conference is at

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the bottom of the Power four league records right now,

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trailing the Big Ten who's nine and four, ACC eight

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and four in the Big Twelve four and four.

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Speaker 3: In bowl games.

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Speaker 2: Through the weekend, the SEC was two and seven against

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teams from other conferences. The SEC team was favored in

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seven of those nine games.

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Speaker 3: The SEC is four and nine over all this ball season.

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Speaker 2: Five years ago, when Alabama blew out Ohios Date fifty

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two to twenty four in the national title game, the

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SEC went seven to two, while the Big Ten went

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three and two. The ACC was owed six, the Big

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beat Clemson to win the title, the SEC was eight

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Big Twelve was one and five, and the ACC was

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four and seven. The data is in our arguable the

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SEC has fallen from grace. They have fallen because they

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don't have the filthy lucer anymore. They don't have the

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filthy lucre advantage anymore. It wasn't surprising to see the

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SEC consistently winning when it faced teams from other leagues,

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when it had a run of winning thirteen of seventeen

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national titles from two thousand and six to twenty twenty two.

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But the seismic shift had begun to take place in

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the sport right twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, twenty twenty two,

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the transfer portal nil. As everyone started to figure it out,

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as donors came around to boowye up these individual programs,

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the likes of SMU BYU Boise State, Texas Tech.

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Speaker 3: All these teams look at Indiana, look at Indiana.

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Speaker 2: As a prime example of what and we'll miss prime

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examples of what can happen when the other teams get

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Speaker 3: By the same rules.

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Speaker 2: College football capitalism, the free market of college football, is

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actually improving the overall product of the little guy, the

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ones that didn't have a chance to win and cheat

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like the big boys. The crazy thing, and I keep

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on saying it the brand equity over the last twenty

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years of the SEC has been built through Bagman, not

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due to meritocracy, not due to fairness, not due to

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anything other than cheating. The world that has been created

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through Nil Revshaer and the portal that we operate in

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now has erased the limitations to a certain level. That's

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what coach Bilma told the Athletic on Saturday, a few

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days after his ALIGNI defeated Tennessee and the Music City

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ball I know this before, I know this before I

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came here. We'd never beaten an SEC team in our history,

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and now we've beaten two back to back in bowl games.

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That's the fighting a line of it. That's your squad.

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Ronald three man Weaver is my squad.

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Speaker 3: SEC teams. Now. Isn't it nice to see an even

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playing field.

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Speaker 4: It is very nice to finally see even playing field.

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I'm happy about it been a lot of people might

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say nothing, but this is the question that's being discussed

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that we're having discussions about. It's no longer the SEC been.

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It's no longer that that has to go away, and

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look they're starting to deplete themselves.

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Speaker 3: It used to be pure.

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Speaker 4: And other dominance, but that's no longer it it's the

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Big ten right now because they won the last couple

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of national championships, and even then the SEC the other

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teams in those conferences, like the Vanderbilts are making pushes,

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starting to win now and recruiting. The Tennessee's a little bit.

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playing field. And that's the problem of why coaches like

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know more like the Sabans coach oh might come back,

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but they don't want to. They don't want to fight anymore.

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Speaker 4: He's like, I don't got it anymore. It's just it's

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all a it's tough for coaches now to compete with

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the NIL and with that, if you're not young, if

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you're not live, if you don't have a good culture,

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if you're older and you just want it to be

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the old fashioned way. It doesn't go that way.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna switch things up to Ben just to give

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you a program that we're gonna call Brady and then

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Aaron Tours in the next segment. But before I do,

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I need to hit this button. You're gonna be happy

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about this. I'm gonna have some breaking news to announce.

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Speaker 3: What do you got for me breaking?

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Speaker 4: I do have breaking news. Isaiah Jodavin has officially declared

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for I think the NFL Draft. You put this out

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about seven minutes ago. First, I thank God the guy.

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It's protection blessing that made this journey possible. Through every challenge, transition,

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moment of growth. His presence carried me and kept me

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loved that He's thinking God. Starting at San Diego State

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took my eye, took my path, took me places I

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never imagined. From Snow College to University of Colorado and

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especially Brigham Young University, each stops shaped me in ways

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that is beyond football. I'm deeply grateful for every coaching

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staff member who believed in me and supported me through

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my college career. To my family, thank you for always

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loving me and standing through every step through this process.

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I'm forever grateful for the sacrifices you've made and to

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you poured into me to submort my dreams. To Kugarnation,

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thank you for welcoming me with open arms and showing

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me incredible family culture. To the energy, passion, support or

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felt every step of the way. To my brothers. I'm

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blessed by the bond we built and the standard we've maintained.

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The hard work, the commitment, the laughs, and the moments

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that brought us together meant everything. The memories will last forever.

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With that being said, I will be declaring for the

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twenty twenty six NFL draft Isaiah.

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Jod is a senior, why would he be able to

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come back. Remember, if you want to hire a lawyer,

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employ a law firm, legal representation. Because you are a

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junior college former player, you can try to get a

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year or two back. John Towmipeyu went to Twitter and said, look,

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hey guys, I need some help. I need some resources. Skugarnation,

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if there's anybody that can.

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Speaker 3: Help me, I want.

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Speaker 2: I want to get my junior college year back. John

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tell we pay you played at Snow College as did Isaiah.

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Speaker 3: He played two seasons.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah did at junior college Snow College twenty twenty one

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in twenty twenty two under coach and former BYU wide

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receiver defensive back Zach Erickson.

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Speaker 3: He then ended up transferring.

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Speaker 2: To Colorado, played in eleven games, appeared in eleven games

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at Colorado on twenty twenty three, and then essentially red

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shirt into twenty twenty four at BYU, playing in the

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last few games, but ended up getting a red shirt

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season and then came back for twenty twenty five. So

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technical his Uh, his eligibility is exhausted. He's a red

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shirt senior, but not so fast. He played two seasons

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at Snow Junior College. Should be able to get a

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year back. That's why he's making the announcement. Uh, let's

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discuss this a little bit further with a former b

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YU great and a Super Bowl champion. We got Brady

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Papinga on the line. Be Pop, How you living?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 5: Guys? How you doing? Always fund to jump on.

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Speaker 3: Hey, it's a pleasure man.

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Speaker 2: What do you make of h of Junior Cup former

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junior college players like Diego Pod the hiring law firms

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to receive an additional year or two of eligibility. Is

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that fair because these were not n C Double A players,

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they're NJC Double A players.

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Speaker 3: What do you make of this?

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Speaker 5: I love it. Anything you can do to play, as

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long as you can do it, I don't have any

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problem with I think that's great. I think I think

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there's a there's a very very strong argument to be

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made there because it's basically like two different divisions. It's

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like those kids, a lot of those these coast kids,

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for example, they'll go to a prep school and then

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they'll go to a like a college university, right, and

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they don't count that prep school as any kind of

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eligibility occupier. They don't, you know, the clock doesn't start

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to take. So I don't see any problem with it

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at all. I think it's a great idea. And if

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after the kind of language, I mean, that's what the

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trying to pigeonhole us as student athletes to not pay us.

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if you could play for ten years in college football,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but do you think there should be a cap

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on college football eligibility in any way, shape or form,

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and what is that ideal number.

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I think if it's like this, if you're studying to

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be a doctor and you're a student, and I don't

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know why, you just couldn't, you know, play for ten

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to fifteen, don't. I don't think there should be a

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cap as long as you're studying and contributing to the

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universe and participate in the university in that sense of

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like higher education and everything. I don't see the problem

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with that. I don't know. I mean, I know why

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they were always you know, the eligibility rules and all

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those kinds of things. I get it. I mean that's

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tied to school because they want to again to make

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sure everybody knew we were student athletes. But now that's

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not the case. We're professionals for their professionals. Yeah, and

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we were professionals too. We just get get compensated. So

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so I don't know why they're be any limits. I mean,

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just let these guys do whatever they got to do.

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But I don't think things are going to change that radically.

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But I have no problem with guys trying to play

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as long as they can and call it the pros.

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Whatever they got to do, it's fine.

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Speaker 2: Well, it looks like John taym mupay who's trying to

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get his year back Isaiah John has declared for the

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NFL Draft.

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Speaker 3: How pivotal would it be?

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Speaker 2: How impactful would it be to get JT back in

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the BYU Cougar football fall next season?

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Speaker 5: Oh, it'd be huge, because that's that's the key of

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what we do, you know, and what we've always done

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as a defense is you got to go inside out

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starts those two big guys occupying blocks, push in the pocket,

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wreaking habit have it. You know, we had a good

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success of those two last year. I thought they were

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really really good. And uh, man, if they could keep

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building off of that and just take another step forward

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this next year and you add some more guys to

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that fold, I mean, that just creates so many opportunities

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for your edge guys, for off the ball guys, or

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coverage on the back end, safety's and corners. It makes

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the whole ship go and makes the whole machine turn. Man,

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get those big guys going, and so anything we can

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do to get guys like JT, keep guys like JT,

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and keep developing them. Yes, we want that, That's what

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we're all about.

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Speaker 3: Would love He kind of reminds me of Travis twey Loma.

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Speaker 2: I think I've talked to you about that before, But

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I mean, he's he'd be a massive get.

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Speaker 3: He's a little silver back guerrilla.

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Speaker 2: And I could make an argument that JT was the

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most disruptive defensive lineman this season.

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Speaker 5: In Teier Wise, Yeah, he was one of our top guys,

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and I was. I would say there was a few

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games there. I forget the exact games where he was

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like the defensive MVP in terms of wreaking Havoc, making plays,

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ripping off blocks. And by the way, I'm not trying

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to throw him under the bus. Our whole defense really

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came out flat against Georgia Tech. But when he started

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to rip off blocks recavoc blowback, that's when our defense

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started really causing Jeuri de Tech problems. And that was

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a theme throughout every every game every team we played.

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Was he was the spear, you know, the tip of

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the spear, him and him and a ton of of

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and so, like I said, get more of those gas.

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We need more of those guys, and I know Klanne

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and the Cruise on the recruiting transfer portal trail trying

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to get those guys and the scheme that the that

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they run is perfect for these guys. These guys can

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hit gaps slant. They're not just sitting there two gap

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in the whole time, which means you're right in front

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of the offensive lineman. You kind of absorbed by the

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way when you're two gap and because you're responsible for

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both sides of the offensive lineman for versus where you're

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line up in a gap and you're just owning that gap,

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that's a that's a good deal to be in. And

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then you're there's a lot of different configuration. So there's

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not a time really where an offensive lineman can just

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kind of get into a rhythm of where you're gonna be,

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what you're gonna do, And that's avantageous for a defense.

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So I would, like I said, if I'm a defensive lineman, man,

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I would love to play in this scheme to where

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you're gonna be moving, shooting gaps, playing with your head on,

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hair on fire, blowing things up, freaking havoc. That's what

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you want. You're not gonna be sitting back to gapins

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for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the transfer portal season is underway and nine players

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from B while you're in the portal, I don't know

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if you kept practice, but Scioni Hngano offensive tackles, Sonny

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Tuala defensive line, Tucker Keller Heer tight end, Ikinasio Tupo

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offensive tackle, Lemson Waller the third wide receiver, McKay Hillstead quarterback,

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Marcus McKenzie cornerback, Jake Griffin offensive tackle, and then Dominique

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McKenzie wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Who's the biggest loss and why? Out of this group?

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Speaker 5: Will those guys? You know, there's I think those guys

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are more your potential guys, you know, your your They're

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kind of a work in progress, and so it's it's

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hard to tell because they all have potential. They showed potential,

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and it's just a matter of, you know, where they're

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at versus the market. Basically, you know, who can you

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get that basically can replace those guys And they're kind

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of already ready, you know, can step right in and

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play where these whereas they're more developmental, you know, And

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I think that's really what it came down to with

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those guys, I don't know, I don't have inside information.

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I'm not sure if they were told to transfer, which

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that's the case a lot of these situations. You know,

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we're like, hey, we're going to we're gonna bring in

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some transfers at your position just to let you know.

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You can answer, you can stay and compete, you know,

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whatever the conversation is. And so again, I think that

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group there is more than the developmental group versus hey,

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where they're ready, which doesn't mean that they're not good

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football players, which just means that there's a perception right

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now bye that they got some guys that can plug

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and play immediately and get the media production out of them.

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And that's the business. I think people need to realize that.

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You know, it's the transfer portal and all that is.

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It's a lot like the NFL. You have to be

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able to show that you're ready to contribute immediately. You

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just can't because in the NFL, the old statement was

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there's not a redser gear and everybody say that your

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contributor or you get cut and be on the practice

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squad and you're developmental, you know, And that's kind of

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how these guys are they're kind of like practice squad

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fringe players. Still a ton of potential. Still I could

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see album going to other places being really good, but

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again the perception is there's others that are more advanced,

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ready to play.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's always intriguing the some of the what's the

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position of concern in the portal?

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Speaker 3: Do you think for BYU is quarterback?

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Speaker 2: For instance, if they concerned you could lose, you lose McKay,

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you still have Tracon doesn't look like he's going to transfer.

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Enick Watson, I like Goldie as they call him, behind

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Bear Bachmeyer. What do you make of the quarterback position

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and maybe some positions of need in the in the

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portal this offseason.

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Speaker 5: Well, we got Roderick, you know, and that to me

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is the comforting bean key that we all should be,

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you know, using to help us kind of sue through

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any any cornerback uncertainty, because he handled probably the biggest

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disruption of the quarterback room a coach could ever handle

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and the best way it could possibly be handled last

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year with Bear and Jake. So I have like, I

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don't even that's not even a concern. I don't even

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like I just know we rather if you're up there

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and if somebody had to step in and play for Bear,

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we roddick will get them ready, you know. So I'm

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not really concerned about that. My biggest concern would be

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rebuilding our offensive lineman and defensive linemen. A concern would

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be we got to get some mike off the ball

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backers that are how can I put it, either guys

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that we already have or guys that can come in

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and be tough assignment sound can line everybody up a

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lot like you saw in Texas Tech. I don't know

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if you paid close attention to their guys. The guys

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aren't as talented as the most but what they do

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is they know their scheme inside and out and they

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get everybody on the same page coverage front. So we

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got to get our guys elevated there, add somebody to

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the fault, maybe compete there corner. We can add nichols,

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you know, we did some nickels, like a third corner

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or a fourth corner. As many as we can get,

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you know, so, I'd say, and then playmakers on the

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edges and on offense that are going to be nightmares

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for defense of trying to run Mando man against this.

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Whether that's a tight end that's a matchup nightmare, could

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be a running back is a dual threat, could pound

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the ball, but then also is a receiving threat out

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of the backfield. It could be you know, big, fast,

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wide receivers. I know number one. I think he's number

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one with tcues available. Again, I'm not sure what his

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price tag is versus what our budget is, but man,

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he'd be a nice addition stuff. You know, guys like

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that who are good within Manda Man situation, because that's

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what that was our weakness last year is when we

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had Texas Tech and the League defense manning us up,

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we really struggle to get open. So we need guys

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that can make them pay and make them rethink, hey

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we we really want Manda Man because that means this

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guy is a problem for us. And what happens it

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is a chain reaction because all you've got to have

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is one guy that can beat man to man and

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then you have to kind of rotate your defense to

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him and that opens everybody else up. So that's what

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I would say our biggest need is is we got

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offensively find that guy who could just say, hey, we

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can't cover this guy man man. So let's you know,

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as a defense, make sure we're careful if we're going

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man and man, this guy's account for it. We need

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a guy that can can dictate that, and it could

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be already somebody on the roster. I think Jojo is

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a very good candidate for that. He's got big, physical,

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high pointing fifty fifty ball wide receiver. His background was

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in basketball. Gennaro found him playing basketball, by the way,

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he wasn't even in football. And he's got a lot

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of tread and potential. So, I mean, there's guys on

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a roster that could develop that Tea. You can't just

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think that you're going to go out and you know,

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buy your team. That's not realistic, which really what staying

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power is. You got to be able to get guys

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in there obviously, and then you got to develop them,

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coach them up, teach him and see guys grow and

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bostom and so it'd be interesting to see how that

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pans out.

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Speaker 2: Brady Pepinga here on ESPN the Fan talking some college football.

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So b Yu football here on your Utah ESPN Radio.

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Speaker 5: I can't I got it. I mean, I can't believe

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you haven't mentioned anything about buy us defensive coordinating situation.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, that's what I was. I was about to transition.

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Remember when you came into the combo, we were talking

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transferport all the things.

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Speaker 3: So i'm, I'm, I'm it's a soft it's a soft segue.

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I didn't want to go right to the heart.

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Speaker 2: It's like, you know, like I you know, when I

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took my wife out on a date, I didn't automatically

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try to make out where herre just to get to

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the crux. But you know what I mean, I had

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to I had to give her some dinner first.

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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, this is foreplay. Man's four pay

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foreplay for the listeners. Come on now.

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Speaker 5: By the way, congratulations, I know you got a little

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little girl on the way. That's exciting news man.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm trying to catch up to I'm trying

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to catch up to all of you guys. Man, trying

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to multiply with planets to the Earth Man, just trying

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to do just.

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Speaker 3: Trying to obey the first command.

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Speaker 2: But that God gave Adam and Eve, you know, the

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multiplier with planet man. I love it absolutely, So we'll

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see how it how it plays on how many of

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my how many of my wife will let me have

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We'll see.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, let's talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Jay Hill takes the job, takes takes his talent to

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Michigan along with Kyle Whittingham. The domino effect is crazy

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to own more gets fired right, Kyle Whittingham is forced

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out of the University of Utah by Mark Harlan. It

474
00:23:28,319 --> 00:23:31,359
seemed the coaching wedding. Morgan Scully gets the head coaching

475
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,519
job behind him. He's in the portal, right, and Michigan

476
00:23:34,599 --> 00:23:38,880
comes knocking. Well after that, Kyle Whittingham takes Jason beck in,

477
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:42,839
Jay Hill, and now Jano or Guildford is in Michigan.

478
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,559
Give me your thoughts, your commentary about the domino effect

479
00:23:45,599 --> 00:23:47,720
that we've experienced over the last few weeks.

480
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,119
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, it's surprising because the guy at Kyle Whittingham,

481
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,559
you think would always be at Utah and that they

482
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,559
would always want him there. So he wasn't good anymore,

483
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,680
you know what I mean. This last year he had

484
00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,920
an exceptional year, and so that was kind of a surprise.

485
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,960
But you know, they know more about their own situation

486
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:07,200
than anybody, and then you know, it seemed natural that

487
00:24:07,279 --> 00:24:08,920
Jay would want to go there. Because you know, I

488
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,640
know Jay, he's he's he's a very competitive person and

489
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:15,640
and I like, man, I tell you guys on the Raid,

490
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,359
I just I did not want to hype him up

491
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,480
so much because I knew he's a great coach. Obviously,

492
00:24:19,519 --> 00:24:21,359
Kyle Whittingham knows how great of a coach he is

493
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,000
and and that and that sets him up too for

494
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,759
because one thing we all have to what I personally

495
00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,559
have to realize is you know, these coaches, they only

496
00:24:29,599 --> 00:24:33,599
have so many opportunities windows in their careers to be coordinators,

497
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:36,319
to be head coaches and those kinds of things, and

498
00:24:36,319 --> 00:24:38,759
then it kind of passes you up. And Jay is

499
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:41,119
one of those guys. I think that he'd like to

500
00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,759
be a head coach now I doig you Obviously that

501
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:47,279
would maybe not hit his window unless he had to

502
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,519
leave somewhere. And so I thought it was interesting because

503
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:52,480
it's like, if he goes to Utah with Kyle, Kyle

504
00:24:52,559 --> 00:24:54,880
was not going to coach as long as as Kilaney

505
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,200
will as the head coach, and so that creates an

506
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,720
opportunity and natural window for him that he could eventually

507
00:25:00,799 --> 00:25:03,000
take over for Kyle winning hands. That makes sense, you know.

508
00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:05,519
And then Gennaro going there too. Maybe you know there's

509
00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:09,720
something with Gennaro and his aspirations to be the defensive

510
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,279
coordinator or what have you. I'm not I'm not sure.

511
00:25:12,279 --> 00:25:14,440
But but also that's that's a great thing to have

512
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,480
on your resume. So I'm happy for these guys that

513
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,440
they're getting opportunities of girls and they're having opportunities to

514
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,480
expand themselves as coaches. And it's bittersweet though, because it's like, man,

515
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,319
I'd love to keep all those guys forever at Buy.

516
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,920
They work so well together. I just don't think people realize.

517
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,960
I had the pleasure been at't see them in action

518
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,480
in meetings, in game planning, in games, and it was

519
00:25:37,559 --> 00:25:41,079
just like they work so well suristically. It was a

520
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,640
beautiful thing because I mean, I look, guys, I have

521
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,440
some coaches yell at each other, all each other names

522
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,480
on the sidelines. It's like all this bickering going on,

523
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,160
you know, and it's and it's like really stressful, and

524
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,920
Tansey're like, dude, everybody's freaking let's go out plays the ball.

525
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,400
These guys it wasn't like that at all. It was

526
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,279
a beautiful thing. So hopefully they can recapture that with

527
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,640
their the new direction the by he is now going

528
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,839
to go. And like I said, Jay and General are

529
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,240
going to be greatly missed, no.

530
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 2: Doubt about it. Let me ask you this real quick.

531
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:15,839
So you lose Jay, you lose Gennaro, big losses. I

532
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,799
don't know if there's going to be more attrition on

533
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:21,039
the coaching staff. Obviously Gavin Fowler's taking the DC role

534
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:23,039
at Weaver State. We don't know if he's coming back.

535
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,880
You got a d C role to Phil. You have

536
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,960
cornerbacks and safeties coaching coaches, position coach to Phil. Gary

537
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,640
Anderson has been retained as a senior analyst. I think

538
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,880
that was big news. Yeah, you know what impact does

539
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,960
that have on this defensive coaching staff and and what

540
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,559
they're going to hire as the DC and these cornerbacks

541
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:47,960
coach and safeties coach.

542
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, and shoots, you know, because Gary's a guy that

543
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:58,440
easier experienced, your experienced kind of stabilizer who has seen

544
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,759
it all as a head coach of defensive coordinator. He's

545
00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:05,599
a big innovator behind the defense the BIU currently runs.

546
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,440
So he has a lot of the nuances and those

547
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,599
games and understanding of how to call the game. Too.

548
00:27:11,599 --> 00:27:13,640
I think it's huge. People don't realize that calling a

549
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,799
game is a lot more than just you know, matten.

550
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,519
I mean, it's setting things up. It's making offenses and

551
00:27:19,559 --> 00:27:22,359
offensive coordinators thinking quarterbacks too, thinking you're going to do

552
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,440
one thing and then you do something else and not

553
00:27:24,519 --> 00:27:26,440
showing your hand. And you got to be able to

554
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,119
do that with eleven guys. Now that's not an easy

555
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,799
thing to do. And so there's an art to calling

556
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,880
game that that Gary knows. There's also this what I

557
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,079
love about Gary. He's very nice, right, very nice, but

558
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,480
I think he's got some old crustiness to them that

559
00:27:40,519 --> 00:27:43,359
I love because he just if he doesn't like something,

560
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,000
he's not going to sit there and pretend that he

561
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:46,519
likes it, you know what I'm saying, Like he is

562
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,839
just over there, and so he's gonna tell you how

563
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,000
it is. He's gonna shoot you straight. And so I

564
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:53,079
think he's going to be an excellent kind of check

565
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,599
and balances as he was previous with Jay and the staff,

566
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,200
to kind of keep everybody just locked in and let

567
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,039
everybody know like, hey, this is the deal. And Boone

568
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:04,440
just dropped the hammer of truth.

569
00:28:04,519 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: You know.

570
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:08,039
Speaker 5: I think that's very important for any organization to have

571
00:28:08,079 --> 00:28:10,039
something like that because there is a group thing tendency

572
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:12,160
that people don't realize that everybody starts to kind of

573
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,640
think the saying because they're always around each other. But

574
00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:18,279
he's a guy that he really knows how to see

575
00:28:18,319 --> 00:28:19,839
it as it is and call it as it is.

576
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,880
So he's going to be huge. And then his energy,

577
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,160
his competitiveness, and again his experience is phenomenal, you know.

578
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,519
And I mean you saw what he did as soon

579
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,559
as he came and you know, started working with the

580
00:28:29,559 --> 00:28:32,480
defensive front, you know, all the positions hedge you guys,

581
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:36,839
the de tackles, we improved dramatically. That was not all

582
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,960
of a sudden, just some you know, crazy thing to happen.

583
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,279
That was because of his presence and his expertise. So

584
00:28:41,319 --> 00:28:43,640
he's going to be going to be big time. And

585
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,680
I was excited as ever to hear that he's going

586
00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,119
to be coming back because I know how big of

587
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000
an impact he's been on the program. And obviously he's

588
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,319
good with Klonnie. They had a great relationship, great history

589
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:54,960
together and I'm sure he's how Klawanne also as a

590
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,039
head coach. So there's just a lot that he does

591
00:28:57,160 --> 00:28:59,880
that has been invaluable. And it's like I said, I know,

592
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:02,839
he's like he's like going to raise the Utah Utah

593
00:29:02,839 --> 00:29:04,440
youth guy. But I'm happy that we've been able to

594
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,880
adopt in that here at BYU. For him to be

595
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,039
able to share his abilities and gifts and talents with

596
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:12,400
us has been awesome. Man. It's like, it's really nice.

597
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,160
It's really nice to have that kind of person.

598
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 3: There no doubt about it.

599
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: The next DC, the next cornerbacks coach, the next safety coach.

600
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 3: We discussed it last week.

601
00:29:23,599 --> 00:29:26,079
Speaker 2: You kind of felt like there'd be an internal higher made.

602
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:27,359
What do you make of it right now? Do you

603
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,000
think it's still internal or do you think they look externally?

604
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,759
Speaker 5: I mean, anything can happen. But I mean, look, I

605
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:37,039
know what I'm about to say. I want everybody to

606
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,400
know this that it's my brother I'm going to talk about.

607
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,720
But don't think for one second that I'm not going

608
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:44,519
to talk honestly. Okay, but here's the reality. And I

609
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:46,680
don't think people know this about Kelly. Maybe they forget

610
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:48,759
about it, but Kelly was a Code of It's coordinator

611
00:29:49,119 --> 00:29:53,359
for Virginia for six seasons. He helped game plan and

612
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,200
also prepare in call games against quarterbacks like Lamar Jackson

613
00:29:58,759 --> 00:30:02,559
against the for Bisky the quarterback at Pint that won

614
00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:06,759
the first round. UH Lawrence, the guy out of UH

615
00:30:06,839 --> 00:30:10,720
who's with Jackson Jaguars, Trevor Lawrence. You can just keep

616
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,759
it on that list. I mean, Kelly has as much

617
00:30:13,799 --> 00:30:17,559
experience as you could expect out of any coordinator, and

618
00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:20,039
he's done it against the best offenses and the best

619
00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:22,799
players in the country during his time in the ACC,

620
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,279
which is at that time P five. Now you know

621
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:28,960
obviously P four. So it would be very hard I

622
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920
think for Kline to find somebody of his qualification, quite frankly,

623
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,960
and then on top of it, he has the inside

624
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:38,200
information of the defense. There's that the kind of the

625
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,000
internal carryover, which I think is huge. Now not to

626
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:43,720
say you couldn't bring in somebody from the outside, but

627
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:46,920
they would even because, for example, if you brought somebody

628
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000
in from the outside, there still is this idea that, hey,

629
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:51,799
what they've been doing is successful. I'm not going to

630
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,319
disrupt him, and that's fair. You know a lot of

631
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,640
coaches I've seen it, you know O c DC's that

632
00:30:56,759 --> 00:30:58,680
do that where they come in where coach wasn't fired,

633
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,759
but he went on because of you know, different or

634
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,279
i'd say higher opportunities, or because of his goals. And

635
00:31:04,279 --> 00:31:06,720
so they had been successful and say, hey, we're just

636
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,759
going to run your same stuff. But even so they

637
00:31:08,839 --> 00:31:11,759
still will have a little bit of their own signature

638
00:31:11,799 --> 00:31:14,160
on what you do and that and I think but

639
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,319
with the advantage of Kelly is is there's just this

640
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,640
continuity where it just continues to progress and you just

641
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,440
continue to stack and stack from mass years this next year.

642
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:26,279
And that also has helped because of Gary being there.

643
00:31:26,839 --> 00:31:29,240
And so I just look at it like there's really

644
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,839
not a better option than going with Kelly. And so

645
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,400
that's you know, how I look at it. I don't

646
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,160
know how it's going to shake out. Obviously there's been

647
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:42,240
nothing ultimately that's been announced, but you know that's my

648
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,680
that's my assessment on it. And again I'm not trying

649
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,680
to pump up my brother. If if it wasn't him,

650
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:48,720
you know, and and he wasn't qualified, wouldn't even be

651
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,200
talking about it quite Frank guys who I'm always shooting straight.

652
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:54,319
So but yeah, he's he's the guy, in my opinion,

653
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:56,759
if you're going to go internal he's ready. Yeah.

654
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of people said, okay, hey, we're

655
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,880
a P four team now and we have P four resources.

656
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,839
Speaker 3: Like these are the conversation I've been having.

657
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,759
Speaker 2: Why not go out and get Justin Wilcox or a

658
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:14,160
Quatowski from UH from Texas or you know you gotta

659
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,160
go to why not go get Danny Gonzalez? Why not

660
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,720
bring in bronco Mannen Hall?

661
00:32:17,799 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, yeah, we have a robust resources.

662
00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:24,759
Speaker 2: Why not go out and get approven DC maybe former

663
00:32:24,839 --> 00:32:29,039
head coach in order to build up your defense. The

664
00:32:29,079 --> 00:32:32,599
problem with that, right, would the repercussion be they're gonna

665
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,200
change the scheme and you could have roster attrition.

666
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,079
Speaker 5: Well, I don't think they would change the scheme because

667
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,680
Colonie oversees the scheme, you know, and then having Garry there,

668
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,400
I think keeps the scheme integrity and you do you

669
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,559
wouldn't want to do that anyways. Like I said, if

670
00:32:45,559 --> 00:32:47,440
one of those guys came in, they'd run the same scheme.

671
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:51,839
But what you do have is you still have somebody

672
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,440
that hasn't been there, So there's not there's just not

673
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,240
going to be the same communication, not the same key words.

674
00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:59,640
There's there still is going to be a little difference

675
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,519
that people have to adapt to. Maybe there's a style that,

676
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:06,119
like you said, the players really aren't like responding to.

677
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:08,720
You know, that's huge. You know, you got to have

678
00:33:08,759 --> 00:33:11,559
coaches that players want to play hard for, especially today.

679
00:33:12,039 --> 00:33:14,039
But he could transfer. And I can tell you from

680
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,359
having seen Kelly, I mean and talking to Kelly's former

681
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,480
players for the last a decade or so, I mean,

682
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,480
every single one of his players will come up to me,

683
00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:23,599
whether it's something that they find out I'm his brother,

684
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,119
or they just you know, through our own conversation, they'd

685
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,640
be like, man, I enjoyed playing for your brother. And

686
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:30,680
then I can also see it how he operates. You know,

687
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,519
he's a guy that's he's capable of calling people out

688
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,680
and being just absolutely brutally honest, but he doesn't obliterate them.

689
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:39,759
You know, he actually does it in an inspiring way.

690
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:42,400
There's some coaches that are just so so demeaning and

691
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,480
so demoralizing that they there's rip kids and it's really

692
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,319
hard to bounce back. It takes an immense amount of

693
00:33:47,319 --> 00:33:50,079
mental toughness and other guy's not really fun to play

694
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:52,240
for it quite frankly, they make it hard you know,

695
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,160
and that's not Kelly, and I think that's not how

696
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,559
Klanie operates either, So I think there's some synergy there.

697
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,559
So to me, it's just like even from Klannie standpoint,

698
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,240
he wants specific things done offensively, defensively, special teams wise.

699
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,320
If you bring in another guy like that, there's a

700
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,920
risk that, yeah, that you may get pushed back and

701
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:13,119
all of a sudden there's some conflict that you have

702
00:34:13,199 --> 00:34:14,920
to worry about that wouldn't have been there before. If

703
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,760
you have somebody already in the program, it's mental energy wasted.

704
00:34:18,199 --> 00:34:20,360
You're not able to have that same flow and that

705
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840
same kind of synergy that I talked about earlier. That that,

706
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,239
to me is what's the most important that they recapture,

707
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:29,639
is that synergy staff wise. And so it just to

708
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,880
me makes so much more sense. You just keep it

709
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:35,719
a turnal. Plus, Kelly's, like I said, he's as qualified

710
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,280
as you can get outside as being an actual play

711
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:39,719
call because that's the only thing you didn't do with

712
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:41,880
Virginia is actually call the plays. But I don't know

713
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:44,280
if people realize this. Most of the time, the staff

714
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,480
is who comes up with a call sheet that has

715
00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:51,000
every single situation detailed whether it's first and ten plus,

716
00:34:51,079 --> 00:34:55,000
fifty second and sixth plus on the negative forty five,

717
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,440
and then you have your rolodex of plays that you called.

718
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,440
The only thing that defensive corner really does is he

719
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,760
has to take the final fall or benefit of what

720
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,000
they call because he's the decordinator. He's gonna give it up.

721
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:06,760
You know, he's gonna he's gonna say what he feels.

722
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,519
But one of the co coordinating situation, that's it done

723
00:35:10,519 --> 00:35:14,440
more collaboratively. So anyway, he's he's qualified man, as I said,

724
00:35:14,639 --> 00:35:16,920
And I think the what he's done with special teams

725
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920
translates the defense because you watch how hard the guys

726
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,719
played on special teams and how you know, execute how

727
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,119
well they executed his plan. I thought that was a

728
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,639
respect to him and then trusting in him, and that

729
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,000
carries over in all aspects. So I think I just

730
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,239
I don't see it making a lot of sense going

731
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:34,920
going elsewhere other than Kelly.

732
00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:42,559
Speaker 2: Year over year since twenty twenty three, let me ask

733
00:35:42,599 --> 00:35:45,639
you this, which group do you think offense, defense or

734
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:49,719
special teams has been the most effective, most efficient offense

735
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,199
even since twenty twenty three?

736
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:55,199
Speaker 5: Would you say, well, I think they've all been really good,

737
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:58,159
and they've had their moments, you know, and I thought

738
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:02,800
they've also had tremendous growth, which is a lot more

739
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,039
of a function I think of player development and talent

740
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:11,480
increasing than it is, you know, anything else. But but yeah,

741
00:36:11,519 --> 00:36:14,280
I mean, it's it's for surely been in terms of

742
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,079
you go back beyond twenty twenty three and you compare

743
00:36:18,079 --> 00:36:20,840
it to other teams. It's hard to find teams to

744
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,639
play as consistently together in all three phases as we

745
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,360
have over the last two years, which you could, you know,

746
00:36:26,519 --> 00:36:29,039
basically say, is the reason why we've been as winning.

747
00:36:29,119 --> 00:36:30,599
I was winning of a program as there is in

748
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:34,119
the country in the P four level. So that is

749
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:38,519
something that is absolutely clear and has been demonstrated now

750
00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:39,599
for the second year in a row.

751
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,639
Speaker 2: So I pulled the numbers since twenty twenty three. Sp

752
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:48,440
plus was is an efficiency metric that ESPN uses created

753
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:53,639
by Bill Conley. So sp plus offensive average rank, well,

754
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:56,480
let's just say they're ranking twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four,

755
00:36:56,519 --> 00:37:00,320
twenty twenty five, this is the offense great improvement seventy fifth,

756
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,199
thirty six, and then twenty fourth average ranking forty fifth

757
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,960
defensive average ranking, they were ninety fourth, twenty first, and

758
00:37:09,079 --> 00:37:15,000
twenty third. Right, so forty six special teams was ranked eleventh,

759
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,440
fourth and forty seventh. That's an average ranking of twentieth

760
00:37:19,599 --> 00:37:21,639
in the country special teams unit.

761
00:37:23,119 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, pretty good.

762
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: Yep.

763
00:37:26,559 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: So all right to me, if they go with Kelly,

764
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,039
that to me kind of speaks to okay, you go internal.

765
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,159
Obviously he's been a co DC and he had the

766
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:41,159
best unit in three year for three years comparative to

767
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,000
the other units that were being coordinated.

768
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,559
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, I mean, I think you hit on

769
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:52,519
a very important point, which shows that he is a

770
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,679
very proficient coordinator. And I hope everyone understands. It's a

771
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,480
lot more complex coordinating special teams than offensive defense too,

772
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,039
because offense you just dealing with the offense, defense just

773
00:38:03,119 --> 00:38:05,239
dealing with the defense. Special teams you're dealing with the

774
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,159
whole team. So it can be an absolute like a

775
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,559
like a fire drill. Every time you're trying to get

776
00:38:11,679 --> 00:38:14,440
you know your specially your your kickoff team, the kickoff

777
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,480
return team and you know pun return and still going

778
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,360
fill the block all organized, and you got guys getting

779
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,159
injured and the other guys stepping up. It could be

780
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:25,079
an absolute you know mass, you know, and he was

781
00:38:25,199 --> 00:38:27,679
extremely organized, and like I said, I thought the thing

782
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:31,119
that to me was most impressive. And it's just because

783
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:33,280
I know Kelly from you know, from when he was born.

784
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:35,599
Basically it's just here I have my little brother, and

785
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:37,920
I was like, these kids really really play hard for

786
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:40,440
him a and then they they really respect him, you know.

787
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:42,119
And I think those are the two things that really

788
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:45,079
show a true, true success and influence of a coordinator

789
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:47,559
or even a coach is how do your players respond,

790
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:49,800
you know, and how does their production, how does their

791
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:50,320
production go?

792
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:50,679
Speaker 3: You know.

793
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: And another thing that the people that realize is how

794
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,199
many NFL guys Kelly has had an influence on. I mean,

795
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,079
he he's the guy who recruited Fred Warner. You know,

796
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:03,480
he's recruit and developed you know, Calvinoy Ziggy. Kelly was

797
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:04,760
the one who helped to put his paths in his

798
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:06,599
pants when he was trying to figure out what he's

799
00:39:06,599 --> 00:39:09,599
going on with his Pats. Bronson Cafusi is another guy.

800
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:11,119
I mean, you could just keep going down the list

801
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,960
of of NFL guys that he had and his ability

802
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:16,920
to develop them, and you know, Baddie's another guy. You

803
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,880
know now now with the Vikings on talk talky, you know,

804
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,320
you just keep going down the list. This guy's really

805
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,119
been phenomenal and it's and it's not my accent, you know,

806
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:27,719
And I just and Kelly's not the guy to do it.

807
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,159
He's not the guy who's gonna go and blow his

808
00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:30,960
old horn. You know. I'm here to do that for him.

809
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,159
And I'm like again, I'm just telling you the facts.

810
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:35,599
I'm not trying to trying to sell him at anybody.

811
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:38,000
I'm just letting you know this is the reality behind him.

812
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,119
And and like I said, I think he's the guy.

813
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,480
And uh and if they if they go that direction,

814
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:44,480
they're going to be very happy.

815
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 2: A couple of last things before I let you go,

816
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,039
beat Pop, appreciate you joining us for a little college

817
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:54,800
football conversation. Cornerbacks coach and safeties coach. Uh what what

818
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:56,800
what directions think they go there? Do you think they

819
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,280
go internal and and maybe higher from within or do

820
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:01,519
you think they go external?

821
00:40:02,559 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: Well, a guy, the guy that would have been the

822
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,760
easy transition would have been Gavin. So I wonder how

823
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,519
hard of a cell's job they can make the gather

824
00:40:09,639 --> 00:40:11,920
to come back. I'm not sure how that is going

825
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:13,320
to work out if he's going to be the DC.

826
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,039
And plus, you know, when we like the beginning of

827
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:18,440
the conversation, we talked about these coaches, the windows and

828
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,679
being able to have an opportunity, you know, for him

829
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,639
to go to Weaver State, be a coordinator, be effective

830
00:40:24,639 --> 00:40:27,360
as a coordinator, will help him in terms of becoming

831
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,400
a coordinator at other places and eventually, you know, the

832
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,679
P four level and maybe even head coach if that's

833
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:34,039
his aspiration. So I think that's going to be a

834
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:37,960
hard sell, but it would be interesting to tick those tires. Hey,

835
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,280
you want to come back? Didn't We didn't realize this

836
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,280
is all gonna happen so quickly, but maybe he did.

837
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,360
I don't know the inside information, you know, all the

838
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:47,320
conversations they've had since Jay knew he was going to leave,

839
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,079
or even when he knew he was going to leave,

840
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:52,280
as a matter of fact, and then the Corners coach.

841
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:56,079
You know, I just trying to think who was really

842
00:40:56,119 --> 00:40:58,480
on staff that assisted Gennaro. I mean, there are some

843
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:00,840
guys you know that assisted him into the.

844
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:06,079
Speaker 2: Nice Johnson, Wesley Johnson was there, Rob Daniel has been there,

845
00:41:06,559 --> 00:41:07,840
Eddie Hecker, who's been there.

846
00:41:09,159 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 5: That's right, those guys are and they all did a

847
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,400
really good job, you know. And but again they're all

848
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:16,159
the kind of new But who knows, you know. I mean,

849
00:41:16,159 --> 00:41:17,960
those those could be those guys could be really good

850
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:21,559
options or at least set up to become like the

851
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,920
next guy if there's change again, which there will be.

852
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,760
I mean, that's the only thing inevitable and all this

853
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,199
stuff that there's always going to be changed. So that's

854
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:31,719
those are interesting ones, man, Like you know, ideally, you

855
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,199
want to get guys that can teach like I got.

856
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,360
Gennard did a very nice job of teaching not only

857
00:41:37,519 --> 00:41:41,000
man press coverage technique, but also how to play off

858
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,159
the ball, because sometimes those aren't compatible. I don't know

859
00:41:43,159 --> 00:41:45,719
if people know that I played as one of the

860
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,199
best quarterbacks pressman quarterbacks in the history of the NFL.

861
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,920
By the name of Al Harris. He's a cornerbacks coach

862
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,079
for the Struggle Bears. The dude struggled in jone. I'm

863
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,599
telling you right now, he had a tough time reading

864
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,400
route progressions because he just wanted to go jam dudes

865
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,000
and run them, you know, run them off the sideline.

866
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 3: All day.

867
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 5: So to be able to teach a corner and how

868
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,760
to jam up a receiver play man to man and

869
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,920
then also be able to read route progressions is an art.

870
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,199
So that's I think a huge trait that you're gonna

871
00:42:11,199 --> 00:42:13,440
want in your coach and his ability to be able

872
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,920
to do both. And like I said, in general, who

873
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,239
was really good at that? So I think that's something

874
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,440
you got to You got to kind of feel for

875
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,920
these guys and sit them down, interview them, talk scheme

876
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,800
with them, talk how they're going to develop guys and

877
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:26,880
see if in fact, like a big part of what

878
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,480
they do is developing both manda man technique skills and

879
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:32,800
then also off the off the ball kind of you know,

880
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,840
giving a receiver cushion and zone skills and reading route progressions.

881
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:38,239
You know, because we get a lot of bunches in

882
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,159
our on our scheme, a lot of people anticipate us

883
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,800
running man the mats. We get bunches and stacks, and

884
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,239
a lot of times that's very hard for defensive backs

885
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:47,280
if you're not able to read the route progression, you know,

886
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,639
because you've got to kind of take them as they disperse,

887
00:42:50,280 --> 00:42:51,760
and you got to know how you fit with even

888
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,840
a Mike linebacker in a lot of those cases, because

889
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,400
the Mike linebacker is going to be playing off the

890
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,360
number three guy and there's three guys you're worried about

891
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:58,920
and you've got the number one guys. You better be

892
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,599
able to understand that. Just lock your guy in your

893
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:03,360
own guy, you know, because there's times where you have

894
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,880
to work with others, So that that's a that would

895
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,320
be an interesting thing to kind of draw from these

896
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,679
perspective guys that are buying to take that spot, to

897
00:43:11,679 --> 00:43:14,800
see if they're capable and their communication and ability to

898
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,599
coach it, you know, because even if you're a good player,

899
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:18,360
sometimes it's not easy to communicate that.

900
00:43:18,559 --> 00:43:18,679
Speaker 3: You know.

901
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,199
Speaker 5: It's you can't just tell a guy do that, you know,

902
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:22,960
you actually got to break it down in a very

903
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:27,400
detailed way that's understandable and applicable to help them understand

904
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:30,599
the rules and hopefully help them understand the reason behind

905
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:32,079
what they're doing. That's hard.

906
00:43:32,639 --> 00:43:35,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna throw my hat into the ring,

907
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,440
but I enjoy having work life balance too much.

908
00:43:41,519 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: I was asking the church the other day, They're like, hey, Brady,

909
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:45,920
what he's in man? You need to become the DC.

910
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:47,800
I'd say, Hey. The only stipulation would be I to

911
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,079
have to be a remote defensive courtet. I couldn't leave

912
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,760
Los Angeles and I'd have to call the game from

913
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:53,159
my couch.

914
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Speaker 2: So if we could do that, yeah, I'm good man,

915
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to football.

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Speaker 2: Love it you pop. Always a pleasure man. Love talking

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Speaker 5: Always a pleasure man.

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Speaker 3: Go kub they go.

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