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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,

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and we have a different type of show for you tonight.

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For one thing, we're going to be discussing the Exeter

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UFO incident that happened September third, nineteen sixty five. We're

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going to go into that a bit. Then we're going

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to be talking a little bit about the event that's

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coming up this weekend and Exeter they have their yearly

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UFO Festival. I'm going to be one of these speakers there.

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Peter Robins MC's at he's been involved in that in years,

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for years. He's also going to be with us tonight

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and talking about that. I also have a UFO Jack

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who helps me out. He lives local here and actually

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in exit of New Hampshire, and he's going to be

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talking about a UFO citing that he had. He did

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share that in one of my shows not that long ago,

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but I thought it was fitting to have him go

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over that again tonight. And so just a couple of things.

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This coming Thursday at eight pm, we have Gene and

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Natalia Sticko and they're going to be talking about Soviet

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documents that were found in her father's estate basically these

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documents and a lot of them appear to be like

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a UFO possibly reverse engineering type of things, all in Russian.

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It's very very interesting. So check that out. Thursday night.

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This is our first show on the time slot that

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is nine pm that I have switched the Tuesday show,

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so the Thursday stay at eight pm, this show is

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now at nine pm. It was supposed to I was

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supposed to do that next week. However, I had a

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conflict today, so it was either run a rerun or

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switched to the nine pm slot, which I did. And

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I do apologize for those people that cannot make this

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time slot. You've been with me so long. I hope

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that most of you can make this new time slot,

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and I hope it's convenient for a lot of people.

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There was a number of reasons I did that. If

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you would ask me the reason why I did it,

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I might as well say the live YouTube attendance has

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dropped considerably, and this slot is the prime slot for

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YouTube viewership, and so that's basically why I did switch.

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And I hope a lot of people can slide over

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and make this time slot work for them. And thank

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you all for being here tonight, and those of you

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in chat, so we'll be taking questions in chat. And

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so also next week we have Mitch Randall and he

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is going to be talking about that's at also the

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nine o'clock time on Tuesday. He's going to be talking

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about UFO detection radar system. Basically, it's an affordable system

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that can be spread out all over the United States

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and worldwide, possibly affordable something that people can kind of

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grassroots type of thing for UFO detection, and that should

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be interesting. And then the following Thursday, we have Katie Paige.

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She's going to be talking about well thanks like, for instance,

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the first mutilation of any animal is Snippy the horse.

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goes way back. We're going to be talking about that,

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the Colorado ranch where she grew up. The thing's high strangeness.

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UFO is all that. So that's next week with Katie Page.

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And so right now I'm going to bring in our guests.

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We have Peter Robbins. Welcome, Peter, I'm a longtime notesee. Yeah,

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that's right, just last night, and we have UFO Jack Jack,

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so as first time YouTube have met and of course

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Jack will be there this weekend. Jack's lives right in Exeter,

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New Hampshire, and so, Peter, since you were running late.

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we didn't have much time to talk. I mean, this

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is the time we're talking about the show right now,

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live on the air. So I'd like to go over

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the first of all, just do a little history on

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what happened. But first of all, i'd like Jack, I

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hope you don't mind, I'm putting you right on the

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spot right now. Jack lives in Exeter, and the only

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reason Jack is here tonight and he helps me with

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my YouTube channel, does a wonderful job. But the reason

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Jack is here tonight and even paying attention to this

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topic is because of something that happened. Was it two

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years ago, Jack? A year and a half ago?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, back back in twenty twenty two, October twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you got the floor jacket. We want to

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hear your what happened in please down Exeter?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So I got pretty deep into this topic after I

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had my own personal sighting. It was probably about like

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two hundred feet away from me. Once it was all

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said and done, probably about four to five minute encounter

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back in October twenty twenty two down in Exeter, New Hampshire.

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for the night at the local pizza shop in town.

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pizza box in one hand and my car keys in

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the other, getting ready to go home, and I look

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up at the tree line and there's this glowing red

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like orb or light red and white and it's just

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bobbing along the tree line, probably from from my left

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to right. And immediately I got like super excited. Like

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growing up as a kid, I was a sci fi kid,

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genuine UFO moment. Is this like actually happening. I was

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like super excited, and I thought, I go back inside

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the pizza shop and tell the pizza guys, hey, like,

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there's a UFO outside.

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to be gone if I go tell them that it's here.

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like telling them there's a UFO outside. Not it's not

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typically your normal thing that you tell people that you don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So I got in my car and I was like,

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down the tree line. So I got in my car,

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probably followed it around two to three blocks down the

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road over in it I found it over It was

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hovering over this person's house right in this like small

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residential area in a like in Exeter. It's probably a

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town of like seventeen thousand people, so nothing really happens here.

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just like staring up above their roof at this glowing

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red light. And it was completely silent. There was no

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buzzing sound or like a rotor running or anything. It

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like a car, just floating there and I'm standing there

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across the street, and in the blink of an eye,

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it literally just like shut off, like a light switch

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in a bedroom. And at the time, I hadn't done

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any research in the UFOs, and that moment, I literally

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thought it disappeared. I thought it vanished out of thin air.

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you know, you always get spots.

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Speaker 2: But so I just kind of and it's really kind

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of a boring story. At the end, I just go

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home and have dinner, and then I've spent the past

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three months trying to look up what kind of like

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kid toy that could have been floating around in somebody's

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backyard over someone's house, and I couldn't find anything, and

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Speaker 3: At this thing.

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Speaker 2: It was like four minutes long. The whole encounter wasn't

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it I just I can't forget about it. And I've

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been researching the topic ever since, looking for answers, and

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it's wound me all the way to hear on Martin's

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wonderful show and the content that he produces, and it

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was just really fascinating. And when you're so close to

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the phenomena, it really like rocks you to your to

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your core in the sense like whoa like this in

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your mind you're thinking this doesn't belong here, yet it's

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there and you're looking at it and it's real, and

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then you realize, like all the lies that have been

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going on when you once you start researching the topic

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and the disinformation and why it's such a secret. I

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have no idea why. But once you see it, like

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you know it's real, you can't convince and I'm not

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here to convince anybody that it's real or fake. But

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once you have your own sighting and it's close within

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like proximity to you, and it's within two hundred five

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hundred feet of you, like that's going to change the

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way you look at things. And it was pretty surreal,

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but yeah, that's the story.

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Speaker 1: In a nutshell.

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Speaker 2: It was your classic like red and white fulsating orb,

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which is pretty common in the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny there it is exiting Hampshire another red

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you know, red light red orb whatever you know.

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Speaker 3: Jack listening, you give that account, which I appreciated, and

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so many of us that went through that door in

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one way or another, that had that what I would

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call a BCAD experience and that you measure forward and

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backward from in your life. Most of those in our

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lives are more conventional weddings, funerals at the top of

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the list, that kind of thing. But there's no other

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way to really describe it than the way you did.

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curiosity and be dedicated to the rest of their lives

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and never see anything. Other people have more experiences than

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they would like, and then there are those of us

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that have an experience that, like it or not, helps

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to define our lives and often helps shape them. Peter

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also just one more than your impulse to look first

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for like a kind of toy or a real world,

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everyday solution, rather than just oh my god, I saw

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flying saucer from That's a very healthy impulse and one

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that's crucial to any serious investigator.

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Speaker 1: Very good points, Peter. I remember talking to you the

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first time. I think it was twenty eleven or twelve

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about your sighting. I know this is going to get

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off exitter a little bit, but I'd like, there's a

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couple of reasons, like I'd like to hear your sighting again.

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I don't know, maybe four or five months ago, after

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that sounded very much like yours in the seventies. So

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but yeah, I think it was three craft there were

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silver something like that, five, but it was.

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friend and close colleague, Richard M. Delon, who had been

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fascinated by the story, especially with regard to my sister's experience.

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I was staying over here for a couple of days,

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and we decided he just wanted to do a documentary

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on him, and you can find it on YouTube. It's

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called I Think the UFO Abduction, the nineteen sixty one

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abduction of Helen Robbins, and it covers a great deal

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of background material, more than a lot of interviews I've

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done for us. For me, it began on a perfectly

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beautiful early summer, late spring, mid morning, when my sister

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and I were out in front of the house that

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we grew up in on Long Island, goofing around as

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there are those times where there's not only nothing going

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going by, there's no ice cream truck or neighbors. It's

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just quiet. And I caught something out of my right

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periphle vision and either said Helen or look and coming

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at a quite a rate of speed and then simply stopping,

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like a freeze frame in a film. We're five silvery

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white elliptical objects, like holding a dinner plate, you know,

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distance in a very precise the upside down formation, and

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they were close enough that there was no ambiguity. It

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wasn't a cloud in the sky. They were metallic, but

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not shiny, and each one of them had detailing around

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the edge that years later when we first discussed this,

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because that memory was absolutely suppressed for me, and one

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that she never shared, although it remained in her consciousness

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that we could only read like windows on a commercial airplane,

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you know, at a distance. And I looked and looked

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and looked with the understanding I had zero interest in

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this subject. I had lots of other things going on

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as a twelve year old, and I was about as

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sophisticated as the actor Jerry Mathers in the classic Leave

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It to be vera television series, Very small town Happy.

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Growing up, I knew about flying saucers what kid didn't,

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but only in the context of wonderful B movies I

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would see on Saturday afternoon with some of my friends

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at the local movie theater. I guess I intuited the

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adult message that yes, they're real in the movies, but

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and it never occurred to me otherwise until there they were,

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and I went through Martin. What I came to call

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a checklist reaction that I've documented. I don't know how

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many people have interviewed over the decades. You probably have two.

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You're minding your business, living your life, and you look

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up or what have you, and there it is, or

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there they are, and you go through a checklist in

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your mind of what these aren't not planes, kites, blimps, balloons, helicopters,

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reflections from the ground, bottle airplanes, strain shaped clouds, flotsam

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and jetsam. What am I looking at? And it was

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the first moment in my entire life as a kid

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where I realized I was looking at something that I

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knew didn't exist. And as a result, I was becoming

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more and more anxious if this were true, and trying

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to tell myself in fact and regressive hypnosis. The poignan

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phrase that came up at the end trying to hold

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on to something was secret government test plane. There must

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be some kind of secret government test plane. But planes

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have wings, in planes have propellers or jet engines, they

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have tails. These were round, and there they were. At

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a certain point, I became so anxious that I literally

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turned on my heels and headed for the front door

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of the house to run in to tell her mom

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what was going on outside, and did just that, but

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never made it quite to the front door. I was

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knocked out, passed out. A series of circumstances happened that

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I went unconscious for period of time, and when I

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came to, they were gone. My sister was gone, and

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I had a scrape on my arm right there because

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I came kind of skidding into the walkway from the

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front lawn kind of thing. And fourteen year old kid

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back in the day, your first impulse, what a scab

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that is going to make red Badger carriage boys. You know,

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we don't think like that quite anymore, but we did

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at that age. Go in the house intuitively, just head

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up the stairs. Both of my sisters shared a room

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at the top of the stairs.

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Speaker 1: Whoops, I think we're awesome. Yeah we lost some He

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should come back, but yeah, I think he's let me

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see if I get back.

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Speaker 3: So my cam goes off.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well try I'm not sure.

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Speaker 3: I still look the same as I did moments ago.

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Speaker 1: I can ye.

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Speaker 3: I saw her a private moment, go downstairs, walk through

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the living room, dining room, and I'm speaking now from

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clear recall and hypnotic regressions with Bud Hopkins and a

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great New York City police detective particularly trained in regressive

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hypnosis for criminal investigation and early mentor of mine. And

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there's my mom in right profile at the stove, I

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think making grilled cheese sandwiches for us for lunch. And

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I said, quote unquote, Mom, Helen, and I just saw

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some things in the sky over the Parker's house that

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looked like flying sausage from the movies. Now, if you

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are a parent, or if you are a kid whoever

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had a sighting and told your parent, and their reaction

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was understandably to deal with their own anxiety and not

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want to trouble you. Oh honey, it just looked like that,

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or you thought, or or not a good thing to

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say to a kid. And my mom turned and looked

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at me. Years later, when we talked about this, she

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didn't remember it, but her impulse was extraordinary. She simply

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looked at me.

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Speaker 1: And huh, oh, wow, we're having some trouble here. I'm

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not there. It is you back, Peter, I am audio

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yet yeah was anymore?

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Speaker 3: He just looked at me with a look that no

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like looking at an adult. She didn't feel the need

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to make me wrong or to rationalize, and then she

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went back to cooking with a serious look on her face.

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But parenthetically, for those that question aspects of regressive hypnosis,

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and I think it's really all a matter of who

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your practitioner is and what their intentions are, rather than

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the discipline itself. But either Bought or Pete at that

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point said do you know what time it is? And

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I said, no, is there a clock in the room, Yes,

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where's the clock on the wall up to the right

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behind my mom? Look at the clock. Okay, what time

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is it? Twenty after twelve? Anyway, it troubled me tremendously,

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so much so that we didn't talk about it when

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Helen asked me later that afternoon if I wanted to.

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And people do it all the time with much more

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conventional and often much more tragic kind of trauma, they

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put it out of their mind. They are able to

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repress the memory, and I did.

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Speaker 1: And your sister did as well. I remember right.

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Speaker 3: No, Helen actually remembered a tremendous amount of it. But

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even as a twelve year old, realized this is not

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a cool thing to talk about, and so had it

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just be part of her inner life and was ready

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to speak with me about it when my memory came

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roaring back through a series of circumstances one afternoon, a

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little more than fourteen years later, and I was overwhelmed

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when it did. My first thought was, I'm having some

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kind of mental aberration, because there's no way a rational

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person could have forgotten what I'm remembering now. It was

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the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life.

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And kind of crashed and burned on that for a

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while and pulled myself together, washed my face, had a

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cup of tea, and say, now what And I knew

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that now what?

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Speaker 1: It was?

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Speaker 3: Called my sister because I had a witness, and I

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did asked very specifically. It was a good time to talk,

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and thankfully, before blurting it out, had realized I could

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do that and she would say yes or no, but

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I would never really know the nuances. So I just said,

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remembered something I need to know if you remembered, and

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I set the scene talking about the weather, the time

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of day, the time of year, about how old we

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weren't just got me off mid sentence and told me

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what I remembered, which was great, except she wasn't trure

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whether it was five or six, which we worked out

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very quickly the next day, when I had already done

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my first painting and she saw it was obviously an

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odd number. And I think that episode in my life,

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had it been confined to that, would have been enough

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to make me one of those millions of people who

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had a lifelong interest in the subject, who had other

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career goals and followed them but stayed in touch, you know,

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with what was happening, read the books, went to conferences.

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But then Helen said, either there's more and I don't

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know how you're going to feel about it, or words

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to that effect. This in fifty years ago, nineteen seventy five,

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when there wasn't anything called UFO abduction research, when I

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didn't know anybody who was into this subject. I didn't

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know there were you whole conferences. I just knew this

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was crazy. But she described to me these perfect and

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kind of bubbles of memory that I had never heard

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anything like in my entire life, But now I've heard

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countless times, often close to word for word, a memory

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of being walked through a curved metal hallway by a

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number of beings. In this being fifteen years before the

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term gray emerged and I asked her what they looked like,

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and her description was small doctors with big heads and

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big black eyes who talked to me. In my head,

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there was one very tall one and the next thing

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she knows, she's on the table, twelve year old girl

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naked and just that thing that also accompanies experiencers experiences

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of a very lackadaisic latitude when you should be freaking

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the hell out of Oh, isn't this interesting? Essentially, which

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was how I felt for the few seconds before I

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went down. And it wasn't until in her head hearing

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these classical things you've seen us before, you'll see us again,

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or we've seen you before, we'll see you again. You're special,

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we love you, we will not harm you. That we

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will not harm you came into her head. She was

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experiencing pain in the general genital area from whatever they

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were doing, so she emerged from it. No fan of them.

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But I thought, at that moment, my sister must be

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going crazy. I thought that for a matter of seconds

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before I caught myself saying ah, But twelve seconds ago

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it was perfectly okay. For five silvery white UFO objects

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to be hanging over the Parker's house across the street,

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listen to what your sister's saying, And that not only

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altered the trajectory of my life, it completely well, it

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effectively derailed the only career that I had pursued or

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wanted from the time I was a kid, and that

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I was really starting to do. And I resented that

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I didn't go into the work for love of the work.

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I was obsessed. I needed to know what happened to

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my sister, and ultimately that obsession really took over my life,

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and not in a good way. I ultimately was for

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enough to find a therapist who was just the right

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person for me and who helped me normalize what I

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had experienced. He happened to also be the former first

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assistant for the last eleven years in the life of

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doctor Wilhelm Reich, and he had had a sighting with

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Reich and then after the fact, and doctor Baker helped

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me to become the person that I am, and I

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think deal with a great deal of the stress that

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comes your way doing this work professionally, especially when you

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get deeply involved in certain case work, and for me,

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especially back then, I was not only a novice. I

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didn't know this world that anybody now, you know, just

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go on the internet and you're connected to a zillian

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people and authorities and personnalities and documentaries and conferences. I

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was on my own and was not quick to make

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friends in the field. You're all crazy, right, But that's

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how I got rolling.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I've forgotten a lot of that, and so

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thank you, Peter. So let's let's get back to Exeter.

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We have this conference coming up. I'm excited about it.

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I've gone a number of times over the years. And

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and how many years has this been for them? Are

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you aware of that? Peter?

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Speaker 3: Well, I had thought it was the ten anniversary, but

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it was going on for several years earlier, but under

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independent management so to speak, and folks who were like

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a lot of conference organizers and why not doing to

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run into his business and they weren't able to, And

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thankfully the Exeter chapter of the Kawanis International took it over.

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Without them, it would have died. And they connected with

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a resident UFO scholar, Dean Merchant, a great guy and

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remarkable personality who really was the founder, a co founder,

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and I came in about ten years ago. I think

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in the first wave of the Kuwanas organized events, and

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what impressed me the most, and you know their conferences

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and festivals and they all have a somewhat different character,

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was that this one was not only nonprofit, but that

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all expenses, all money is made beyond your normal operating expenses,

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everything from rending the hall to you know, feeding us

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lunch two days, to residences and transportation that kind of thing.

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Everything went to local children's services in the Greater Exeter area.

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And there's nothing going on in the world of you know,

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UFO conferences that's like that paranormal as far as I know, right,

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And every year we've done somewhat better. And last year

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we cleared thirty five thousand dollars that went right to them.

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Speaker 1: That's a wonderful out of Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. So, Peter,

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had you ever I want to talk historically to people

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who are unfamiliar with you know, Norman having his UFO

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sighting back in nineteen sixty five. Are you up on

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that or you want us to talk about We didn't

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get a chance to speak ahead of the show, so you.

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Speaker 3: Are probably more knowledgeable off the cuff on that case than.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I had I had heard about it.

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Now I'm talking about before I got into the topic.

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I had heard about it, but I didn't know much

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about it. But anyway, basically in the nutshell and Jack,

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you've looked a little bit into this too, oh there's Peter. Yeah,

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but you know, basically it was September second, and then

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00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:30,039
it went into the third of nineteen sixty five and

478
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:36,359
Norman Musk how do you say is the Muscarello he

479
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:41,759
was hitchhiking from. Yeah, he's hiking back from Amesbury up

480
00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,200
into the Exeter area. This actually happened in Kensington. A

481
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:49,400
friend of mine actually lives in Kensington. It's right, you know,

482
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:53,680
right there. But so he was basically walking for a

483
00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,920
long long time. It's about a twelve twelve mile walk

484
00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,039
from his girlfriend's house to where he was going, and

485
00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:05,079
so it was early in the morning basically. But Jack, well,

486
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,480
there was earlier than that. There was a woman. Do

487
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,039
you know that part of it where there was a

488
00:31:11,079 --> 00:31:14,160
woman with She had pulled over and said that there

489
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,759
was some type of UFO following her.

490
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

491
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

492
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:23,279
Speaker 2: One of the two police officers that reported to Norman

493
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,240
sighting prior to Norman going to the police station that day.

494
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,440
The only reason why the way it reads is the

495
00:31:30,519 --> 00:31:33,640
one of the police officers believed Norman was because earlier,

496
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:36,480
I think that same day or either the day before,

497
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:40,240
there was some lady traveling from Epping, New Hampshire to

498
00:31:40,279 --> 00:31:43,160
Exeter on Route one oh one and she was just

499
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:45,000
like pulled over on the side of the road late

500
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,759
at night, and for whatever reason, this police officer pulled

501
00:31:47,759 --> 00:31:50,759
over just to see if she was okay, and she

502
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,599
was going on about this story about how this giant

503
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,839
red light was following her in her car and she

504
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:58,519
was freaking out, and he just kind of chalked it

505
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,000
up to like she was a total cup and left

506
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,240
her there and went back on patrol, and then he

507
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:06,519
got called back to Exeter because Norman reported seeing something

508
00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,599
similar a little bit further down the way, a little

509
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:12,160
further south of town of Exeter. So I thought that

510
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,039
was interesting. And the other thing, New Martin is on

511
00:32:15,079 --> 00:32:17,960
the I think on the thirteenth and the seventeenth. You

512
00:32:18,039 --> 00:32:21,960
had sent me a clip earlier today from a different

513
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,480
YouTube channel is on Cinema I think the name is,

514
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:27,839
but he had some great audio of the police law

515
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,240
enforcement testimony. But there was another incident that on the seventeenth,

516
00:32:33,319 --> 00:32:35,960
on the sixteenth and seventeenth of September, so a couple

517
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,640
weeks after the third, where there was a craft scene

518
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,440
off a Route eighty eight, I think a different side

519
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,799
of town. So like there were just, yeah, at least

520
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:46,640
three different sidings. It was totally wild.

521
00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:50,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. It was a woman that was involved

522
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,160
in that one inner car and this thing had also

523
00:32:54,279 --> 00:32:56,920
red lights, but it had I believe white lights as well.

524
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,559
So Norman's basically walking three o'clock in the morning basically,

525
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:09,559
and this big, huge red ufo comes up over by.

526
00:33:09,839 --> 00:33:12,640
He goes into this field and it comes right over

527
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:17,920
this farmhouse and it's the size of the house itself.

528
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,880
So he runs up to the door, knocks on the door,

529
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,359
not knowing that no one was home. Basically, do I

530
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,279
have that right? Yes? Yeah, And so then he runs

531
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:34,039
out to the road and a person he waves his

532
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,359
arms in front of a car. That person pulls over.

533
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:39,200
They happen to know Norman, and so they give him

534
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,599
a ride to the police station. So then he goes

535
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400
to the police station. He was a picture of him

536
00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:48,480
back then goes to the police station and basically they

537
00:33:48,519 --> 00:33:56,440
go out him himself, and the police officer whose name

538
00:33:56,519 --> 00:33:59,240
I'm sorry, right, don't I can't pull it right off

539
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,680
the up in my head Bertrand. So Bertrand goes to

540
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,880
the site with him, basically, and he has this big

541
00:34:09,039 --> 00:34:12,920
flashlight and he's you know, they're looking around, and then

542
00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,360
the other police officer happens to stop and gets out

543
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:20,960
on foot, and all of a sudden they hear Norman

544
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,760
say here it comes, look out, it's coming. So they

545
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:29,880
all witnesses. So the two police officers plus Norman see

546
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,000
this red ufo down in the field. It starts to

547
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:36,480
come toward them and then it's zigs and zags and

548
00:34:36,519 --> 00:34:40,119
then slowly drifts off to the east. So you think

549
00:34:40,159 --> 00:34:43,239
that would be the end of the story, but it's not.

550
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,679
So there's P's Air Force Base. I grew up in

551
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:50,079
the area, so I could actually from my I lived

552
00:34:50,119 --> 00:34:52,679
on top of a hill in a house that we

553
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:56,320
could see P's Air Force Base. River we're in Elliott

554
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,039
mainbit could see Peace. So someone visited him, Norman from

555
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:04,440
Peace and burst right into the room where I was

556
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:08,440
in and say do not talk about this. And then Peter,

557
00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:11,480
you must have heard all the different ways they tried

558
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:15,960
to pass this office a hoax in different in explanations.

559
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,199
Speaker 3: And also we need to remember this was sixty years

560
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:26,920
ago and normally the military police sort of code of

561
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:33,360
behavior regarding you know, a fellow officer, and this subject

562
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,840
is at best a lot of good natured ribbing. At worst,

563
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:45,840
how dare you embarrass us by taking this seriously? Serving

564
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:52,480
police officers, like commercial pilots, immediately risked their careers by

565
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:55,239
making career a report like this, but they stood by

566
00:35:55,280 --> 00:36:02,400
it thankfully. Among all the coverage, a investigative writer named

567
00:36:02,519 --> 00:36:06,360
John Fuller not only covered the story for part of

568
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:10,599
the media but allegorically and actually he wrote the book

569
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:16,760
on it. It's one of the best standalone investigations for

570
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:22,519
folks that want to take the subject more seriously. Nobody

571
00:36:22,519 --> 00:36:27,480
has been able to really take this down. Also, he

572
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:32,280
was the one who first chronicled the Hills experiences in

573
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:39,360
Interrupted Journey Right anyway, That really helped to make the

574
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:44,880
incident at Exeter the extremely respected, well known, and well

575
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:51,119
documented story and account that it is. With these you know,

576
00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:54,079
you can call it everyday heroism. You're not risking your life,

577
00:36:54,119 --> 00:36:58,119
but you're risking your career the way that the community

578
00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:00,559
is going to deal with your family. It's a lot,

579
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:08,039
and that's how this conference festival began. But viewers should

580
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:11,800
know it is, in the best sense of the word,

581
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,480
a very split event. There is this conference that Martin

582
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,400
and I will be speaking at and other speakers, and Martin,

583
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:24,400
it was funny I had forgotten you hadn't spoken there

584
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:27,840
because I remember you there so many times over the years.

585
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:34,760
And it's a first class presentation as well as a

586
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:41,599
series of presentations, as well as a wonderful American event.

587
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:45,639
You are in an historic town hall with a wrap

588
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:50,079
around balcony, a building that Abraham Lincoln spoke in, in

589
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:56,239
an absolutely picture beautiful New England town that served as

590
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,800
the capital of the United States during the earliest days

591
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:05,559
of the country. And everybody you can imagine is in

592
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:11,039
that audience. The other thing that's going on is a festival.

593
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,440
It celebrating I guess you could say generally how deeply

594
00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:23,639
the subjects of extraterrestrials UFOs, these areas of speculation and

595
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:29,239
science fiction have penetrated into not just Western culture, everything

596
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:36,400
from children's cartoons to some of the hugest earning films

597
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:41,920
to advertising, and it's just become part of the culture.

598
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,920
This is a way, I guess folks celebrate it in

599
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:49,679
part and for anyone that is understandably a bit anxious

600
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:54,639
about who we are not alone, it's a way to

601
00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:00,960
lighten it up. There is a really fascinating education tour

602
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:07,159
out to the locations in question. All of the speakers,

603
00:39:07,159 --> 00:39:11,440
from the best known to the not best known, we

604
00:39:11,519 --> 00:39:15,840
are all accessible to anybody throughout the weekend, and we

605
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,239
have an area set up for sales and book signing,

606
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,599
hanging out with you guys, taking pictures. There's lots of

607
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:28,320
really good places to eat in the area, and for

608
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:33,800
me as a New Yorker, it immediately throws me into

609
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:39,760
another area of history. The architecture on Main Street is great.

610
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:44,880
And we're here but coming and going.

611
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, growing up here. You know, I'm in

612
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,880
the area of imports with Newypshire, which is twenty minutes away.

613
00:39:53,119 --> 00:39:56,960
You know it is. It's a historic, historic area and

614
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:02,239
wonderful area and yeah, it's it's I'm excited to be

615
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,920
able to speak so close to home. I mean, my

616
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,280
son's coming, he's bringing some of his friends and it's

617
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:09,880
great and all that type of thing.

618
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 3: So, yeah, there are people that I recognize in the

619
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:19,079
audience that I were first there in ten years ago

620
00:40:19,119 --> 00:40:24,880
when I started, who were ready regulars and questions and

621
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,639
answer sessions for me especially gratifying. These are informed folks.

622
00:40:30,199 --> 00:40:34,960
And for years we had Dear Paul Eno and his

623
00:40:35,079 --> 00:40:40,039
son then doing their radio show as a part of

624
00:40:40,079 --> 00:40:44,000
the event on Sunday live Radio Old Fashioned their show

625
00:40:44,599 --> 00:40:49,519
CBS affiliate out of Rhode Island. And with Paul gone

626
00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,079
and Ben not continuing to do that, we do have

627
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,039
an up and coming blogger who will be doing a

628
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:02,880
live radio show as his presentation. Oh yeah, yeah, so

629
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,920
something that you might well do in.

630
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: Future, Yeah, definitely. Yeah.

631
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 3: But it's if you've never been to a so called

632
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:14,880
UFO conference or festival before, this is a good one

633
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,639
to start on. If you are a veteran, you don't

634
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:19,000
want to.

635
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 4: Miss this one. And for me, it's become again more

636
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,559
a family thing working with these people year after year

637
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:37,800
and again knowing everybody gets paid, but we make money

638
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:42,760
for this extraordinarily important cause, the kids in this community,

639
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,920
and you know, it's a win win situation.

640
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,639
Speaker 1: I have to I have to show you a picture.

641
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,239
This is actually in my presentation just because of a

642
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,840
blurb about Stanton. But this is a great picture that

643
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:03,079
I took an Exeter. That's great, you know, it's just

644
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,920
stand is approachable. These girls came in with her and

645
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:06,920
he goes, oh why not?

646
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: You know?

647
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,840
Speaker 1: Totally yeah, totally yep.

648
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,679
Speaker 3: But the most lingering thing at this point, who knows

649
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,360
what's going to happen next in the House of Representative

650
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:21,719
or who knows the impact of the whistleblower and testimony.

651
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,840
What it comes down to in terms of what we

652
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,599
know and being our three dimensional, corporeal selves here in

653
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:33,880
the real world is the people you meet, the friendships

654
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,880
that you make, the experiences that you have, the locations

655
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,320
that you get to visit, even if it's taking a

656
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,760
day or two off from your normal life to go

657
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,159
to Exit in New Hampshire to experience this thing, that's

658
00:42:49,199 --> 00:42:52,719
something you can bank on always. And no matter how

659
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,679
this whole subject pans out and how much of it

660
00:42:55,800 --> 00:43:00,719
we're hanging around to see, time will tell. But it's

661
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:04,199
an event where you can learn a lot and really

662
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:05,119
have a great time.

663
00:43:06,079 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 1: Yeah yep, so we I just wanted to finish up

664
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,400
a little more about the incident back in nineteen sixty

665
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:18,719
five because I think It's fascinating the fact that P's

666
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,599
Air Force Base actually had a press conference trying to

667
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:26,320
explain away the situation, and it had to do with

668
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:32,519
a plane that was showing lit advertising you know that

669
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,519
did that did it was in the area, but of

670
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:39,320
course not then. It hadn't flown for several days. And besides,

671
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,360
someone made a really good point exactly why would you

672
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,639
have an advertising plane at three o'clock in the morning

673
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:49,480
in a field over Exeter, New Hampshire.

674
00:43:51,039 --> 00:43:52,519
Speaker 3: That's a rough one to respond to.

675
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's very and I love you know. I had

676
00:43:57,639 --> 00:44:01,800
talked to Linda Zimmermann before about you know, her animal reactions,

677
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,239
and this was one of the cases where there was

678
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,639
an animal reaction, and I talked to someone that actually

679
00:44:07,679 --> 00:44:10,440
went there and Exeter and went to that farm and

680
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,920
saw the stalls and they were all still. They never

681
00:44:14,519 --> 00:44:17,079
fixed those doors. They were kicked by the horses at

682
00:44:17,159 --> 00:44:22,039
night and all, you know, damage pretty bad. So there

683
00:44:22,039 --> 00:44:24,960
were the dogs were barking the horses and the thing

684
00:44:25,039 --> 00:44:29,760
made no sound at all, as you always hear, no

685
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,880
sound that they could hear, but obviously it affected the

686
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,039
animals and that was probably through sound. Possibly.

687
00:44:36,639 --> 00:44:40,760
Speaker 3: I had that experience in an unforgettable way. Once and

688
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,920
only ones I remembered well enough to tell you. It

689
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:49,000
was the night of February eighteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in Suffolk, England,

690
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:54,440
not far from RIF Bentwater's air base, and it was

691
00:44:54,920 --> 00:45:01,360
a UFO event that was going on when we finally

692
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,280
walked away from it after an hour and a half

693
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,639
because we exhausted from jet lag having just come in

694
00:45:07,679 --> 00:45:08,840
the day before.

695
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:10,519
Speaker 2: That.

696
00:45:12,559 --> 00:45:17,079
Speaker 3: You know, what, can you say? Well, for us, we

697
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:25,719
were hearing these very uncomfortable screams coming from this farming area,

698
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,360
and I even was able to capture them on my

699
00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:35,119
micro cassette recorder at the time. But yeah, and animal

700
00:45:35,159 --> 00:45:41,760
reactions are as really verifiable aspect of this as so

701
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,079
many other kinds of evidence.

702
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,800
Speaker 1: Yes, right, I remember watching Jay Allen Heinez talk about rabbits.

703
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:51,239
I don't know if you ever heard that. That's sorry

704
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:54,639
about all the rabbits. They just I think they liked

705
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,639
froze or they thought they were asleep, and then when

706
00:45:57,639 --> 00:46:00,840
the UFO event happened, they just went back to being normal.

707
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,320
So yeah, there's many, many great, great things. But yeah,

708
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:08,559
I mean you're right about the bus tour. It took

709
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,360
that last year for the first time. Oh good to

710
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,800
where that happens and someone has a UFO planted in

711
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,280
their yard. I think it's year round, right, they once

712
00:46:18,559 --> 00:46:23,159
it looks like a stationary thing. But yeah, so Peter,

713
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,119
you've been doing this ten years, you've been coming. So

714
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,760
that's that's really amazing that that long.

715
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 3: This year, it's going to work out. It's almost four

716
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,519
hundred miles each way, and I'm not young and crazy

717
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:37,800
enough to try to do that in the day. So

718
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:43,679
I stop overnight in Albany with a friend who has

719
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:48,760
been a speaker there, wonderful antiquarian scholar named Laird Scranton

720
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:51,960
and all. You're staying with him and his wife. And

721
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:56,719
in fact, Thursday we'll I'll be driving from Ithaca to Albany.

722
00:46:57,039 --> 00:47:01,119
Is my birthday, and you know, be on the road

723
00:47:01,159 --> 00:47:03,920
for a good part of it. But it is a

724
00:47:04,039 --> 00:47:09,440
Chinese dinner on my birthday in Albany, and in lieu

725
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,199
of having to put me up at a hotel, the

726
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,639
conference committee is delighted to pay for this birthday dinner.

727
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: Awesome, that's great. Well, it might be up coming birthday.

728
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: In it for the money and the food.

729
00:47:22,559 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so I don't know Peter, if you've looked

730
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,719
into other UFO events here in this area. But you know,

731
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,719
like Jack was talking about, there was one also a

732
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,679
few days later, like less than you know, a couple

733
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,000
of weeks or about a couple of weeks later that

734
00:47:41,079 --> 00:47:43,480
happened on Route eighty eight. Route eighty eight goes from

735
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,320
goes right into Hampton Falls and into Root one and

736
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:51,760
all that. But it seems like I remember there was

737
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,880
talk even though I wasn't in two UFOs as a

738
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,920
kid too much or whatever, I had like a passing interest.

739
00:47:59,159 --> 00:48:01,559
But I do remember hearing people talking like there was

740
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:05,920
a lot going on, and that would be I just

741
00:48:06,119 --> 00:48:08,760
you know, date myself, but that would be back in

742
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:12,199
the you know, the late sixties where I was hearing

743
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:14,280
a lot in early seventies where there was a lot

744
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,519
going on in the area. And you know, this is

745
00:48:17,599 --> 00:48:25,400
just a your opinion, Why do you suppose that, say,

746
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:27,880
this thing shows up and then it shows up again

747
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,239
and a couple of days later. I mean, first of all,

748
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,960
there's a lot of questions that that brings up, like

749
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,280
how far away did that thing come from? Is it

750
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,480
another dimension? Is it another solar system? Is it another

751
00:48:39,559 --> 00:48:43,039
you know, what is it, But why in the area,

752
00:48:43,199 --> 00:48:46,239
and then why show up in the area, Like for instance,

753
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,079
it was in that field when Norman saw it, he

754
00:48:49,159 --> 00:48:51,400
goes away for a couple of hours, he comes back,

755
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:54,880
it comes back to that field, and then you know,

756
00:48:55,079 --> 00:48:59,159
like earlier that day, it's in one area, and then

757
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,199
it may come back two weeks later in that area.

758
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,679
I mean, this is it's always been a puzzle since

759
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,800
I've looked at this why things like that happened?

760
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:11,119
Speaker 3: Boy, I'll tell you Martin, this is one of the

761
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:13,639
sixty four thousand dollars questions, as they would have used

762
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:19,480
to say, we can only make educated speculation, and everything

763
00:49:19,519 --> 00:49:24,079
you've touched on, you know, given that we're dealing with

764
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,400
the unknown here to a good degree is viable. I

765
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:36,000
had first years ago when I learned about areas that

766
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:42,199
had higher incidences of activity or certain kinds of activity

767
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:47,159
or a certain pattern to it, that there was a

768
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:52,400
reason for that. They understood. But like you know, playing

769
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,400
with a cat with your hand under a blanket, we

770
00:49:55,480 --> 00:50:01,920
don't know what their motivations or just ires are. Is

771
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,880
a window area or is there something going on perhaps

772
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,760
in terms of military technology that they're picking up that

773
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:18,719
they want to check out, is there's some kind of

774
00:50:19,199 --> 00:50:27,239
time or dimensional opening. I know that I know so little.

775
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,840
After fifty years of study, I know more than most people,

776
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,559
and I can ask better questions. But when we and

777
00:50:36,599 --> 00:50:39,599
we all have colleagues and no people in the field

778
00:50:39,639 --> 00:50:43,719
who ultimately champion a certain theory or a certain belief

779
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:48,760
or said of them and codify them. And once you

780
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:54,800
do that, you essentially create a little brief system that

781
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,679
people will approach and may have quite a bit of

782
00:50:57,679 --> 00:51:01,159
fans or in these days you know, followers or subscribers

783
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,159
and become a real personality who knows maybe even making

784
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:10,440
a living living the UFO lifestyle or it's you know,

785
00:51:10,559 --> 00:51:12,400
I mean, it's that's part of the way the world

786
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:12,840
is now.

787
00:51:15,039 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you a lot of that. Yeah.

788
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:21,679
Speaker 3: Again, going right back to the Exeter UFO conference and festival,

789
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,480
Like so many events where you have this dynamic in

790
00:51:28,519 --> 00:51:30,280
the best sense of the word, you're in a bell jar.

791
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,639
There is an invisible shield that's put over the whole

792
00:51:34,639 --> 00:51:37,719
thing for the weekend of the day. And what that

793
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,760
denotes is that after you've heard of talk about one

794
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,440
of the wildest things you've ever heard, you can turn

795
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,559
to the person next to you and start to talk

796
00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:47,159
about it as naturally as you would about the weather,

797
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,000
on a subject that you wouldn't even discuss with your husband, wife, girlfriend,

798
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:56,280
boyfriend or best friend. And that there's a free exchange

799
00:51:56,320 --> 00:52:03,039
of ideas you may contact with anybody you want. Basically,

800
00:52:04,199 --> 00:52:07,920
it's also a living sociology class. I often think of

801
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:12,840
these events like that. They're in a mister spock eyebrow

802
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,599
raising way, fascinating. I will also say, as far as

803
00:52:17,639 --> 00:52:21,599
the fun part and the popular culture part, we live

804
00:52:21,639 --> 00:52:26,239
in a world where almost any thought, product or idea

805
00:52:27,039 --> 00:52:32,199
is kind of weaponized into a line of items for sale.

806
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:37,199
And I have to say the T shirts, the hats,

807
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:41,320
the posters, all of that stuff that has come out

808
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:47,880
of Exeter is a cut above designs, the way they manufactured,

809
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:53,960
and the fun of knowing that, yeah, I just bought

810
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:58,159
this hat, but this much of this money is a

811
00:52:58,199 --> 00:53:01,559
sizeable amount is going for this amazing charity. I wonder

812
00:53:01,559 --> 00:53:04,960
how much they're gonna make this year. Also, the sociology

813
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,639
of looking at Main Street where you know this again,

814
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:14,760
this wonderful area circa eighteen sixty, eighteen eighty, right out

815
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:19,719
of Curryer and Knives. You can't I won't say pro

816
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:23,760
cat because I love cats, but you can't look anywhere

817
00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:28,159
without seeing inflatable green aliens, which I am somewhat am

818
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:30,880
bivoloed about. But you know, cut people slack on a.

819
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:31,280
Speaker 1: Thing like that.

820
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,119
Speaker 3: It's fun and goofy and makes for great photographs.

821
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,039
Speaker 1: And kind of gives kids, and you know, kids kind

822
00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:41,840
of think it's fun too. So here's a question here,

823
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,679
and we have to wrap up here in just a minute,

824
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:49,079
But so did they try to keep the police quiet?

825
00:53:49,119 --> 00:53:55,400
And the answer is yes, there was that too directly.

826
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,920
I can't remember which officer it was, but he was

827
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,119
told not let's not talk about this, let's not let

828
00:54:02,199 --> 00:54:05,920
it escalate, you know, that type of thing. So unfortunately,

829
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:10,719
these things, you know, did happen a lot, and when

830
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:14,400
these events happened, this type of thing did happen. I

831
00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:19,320
don't know today well we've got less in a minute.

832
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,119
I can't really go into it. But I just wonder

833
00:54:21,159 --> 00:54:24,360
if today, if something this exact same thing happened, how

834
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,559
much more open we would be as a society than

835
00:54:27,639 --> 00:54:31,239
we were back then. All things to ponder. But thank you,

836
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,320
gentlemen both so much. It's been a real pleasure having

837
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:38,000
you on and so I'll see you both in a

838
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:38,760
couple of days.

839
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 3: Absolutely looking forward to it.

840
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: Right, all right everyone, So next week we will be

841
00:54:45,519 --> 00:54:48,440
back again with Mitch Randall. Well, coming up we have

842
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,960
Gene and Natalia Stick. Oh they're gonna be talking about

843
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:56,880
Soviet documents. And then next Tuesday Mitch Randall. Next Thursday

844
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,599
we have Katie Page. Thank you all very much. Remember

845
00:55:00,599 --> 00:55:30,440
to keep your eyes to the sky. Good night, h