Speaker 1: You see somethings going to happen?
Speaker 2: What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: What help?
Speaker 3: Welcome to the Occult Rejects.
Speaker 4: This episode, we got a very special guest, somebody I've
Speaker 4: been looking to get on this show for a minute
Speaker 4: now and I was finally able to make it happen.
Speaker 4: But before we introduced the guests, let me introduce the
Speaker 4: other rejects on the show. We got my man, the
Speaker 4: Headless Giant. What is going on?
Speaker 3: Sir? How are you?
Speaker 1: How you doing?
Speaker 5: You can find me at the Headless Giant on Twitter
Speaker 5: and on YouTube and on Instagram as well. And if
Speaker 5: you have any occult slash, esoteric, slash, strange, dream slash
Speaker 5: encounter stories, you can send them to my email at
Speaker 5: the Headless Giant podcast and and we will read those
Speaker 5: on Thursday tomorrow with my co host Nick. And also
Speaker 5: I've got the trialogue on Sunday with Ethan, so definitely
Speaker 5: check those out.
Speaker 3: Awesome you're still doing that with Ricardo.
Speaker 5: Too, Well, he's uh, he's sort of going around the
Speaker 5: country right now from conference to conference, so it's kind
Speaker 5: of hard for him to check in.
Speaker 3: So gotcha, gotcha? I forgot about that? Uh all right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And definitely send in the If you send in
Speaker 4: any stories, leave an address and I'll send you out
Speaker 4: some free stickers. We were supposed to have a guest tomorrow,
Speaker 4: but I don't know this crazy cat lady hasn't.
Speaker 3: Hit me back, so who the fuck knows?
Speaker 4: So all right, we'll see what happens tomorrow, but definitely
Speaker 4: check it out. And next my man Tyrone, what is
Speaker 4: going on?
Speaker 1: Sir?
Speaker 2: What's up everybody?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 6: First of all, I got to say by headless Giants art,
Speaker 6: you'll get your shit right now. Sew that off right
Speaker 6: now in Ethan's book, Get his book, because I support
Speaker 6: both of them and what they do. Ben in his podcast, Yo,
Speaker 6: I love your background when it says it so type, bro,
Speaker 6: I gotta set minds up better than that. Bro.
Speaker 2: Your cit is really nice.
Speaker 6: And nice to meet you, Michael. I appreciate it of
Speaker 6: being here today to get this knowledge from you. Thank
Speaker 6: you for everything. Nick, you the man you I always
Speaker 6: tell you that shit you already you know. Everything you
Speaker 6: can find on me is on my website Rebirth of
Speaker 6: theWord dot com head Let's just showed you his pictures.
Speaker 6: I'm going to buy one when I go to the
Speaker 6: fort Myers Convention with mich and to Florida just in
Speaker 6: the next few days.
Speaker 2: So just support everybody.
Speaker 6: Everything you can find on me, like I said, it
Speaker 6: is on my website, Rebirth of theWord dot com. I
Speaker 6: wrote a best selling book, Journey through the Origins of History.
Speaker 6: Please support that. Look, if you don't want to buy
Speaker 6: the book, just go to my website. I literally share
Speaker 6: damnly everything that I wrote in my book on my website.
Speaker 6: But eventually one day my website is not going to
Speaker 6: be there, so my book has ane being. So you
Speaker 6: always have a continued of knowledge. Thank you, appreciate everything.
Speaker 3: Max.
Speaker 4: You got that ICEBN great stuff. No, thank you, Shu,
Speaker 4: and we got our man, Ethan Indigo, what is going on?
Speaker 7: Well, I'm rocking the Hell Island Rainbow edition of the
Speaker 7: Colt Rejects.
Speaker 8: Hell.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, appreciate you.
Speaker 9: Nick, you're the man, Tyrone said, and yeah, definitely.
Speaker 10: Check book and uh Headless's paintings are are are incredible,
Speaker 10: and yeah Bennett, big fan, Michael, I'm really excited to
Speaker 10: be here, and yeah, I'm easy to find on all
Speaker 10: the social media and yeah, props.
Speaker 3: So very glad you can make it.
Speaker 4: Ethan, I was happy to see you one today and last,
Speaker 4: but not at least before we get to the guest.
Speaker 3: We got Benny. What is going on?
Speaker 8: Yeah, hey, guys, thanks for having me on. Nick Headless,
Speaker 8: Tyrone Ethan go check him out. Their stuff is great. Michael,
Speaker 8: huge fan. I got some questions for you, So I'm ready.
Speaker 8: I appreciate it. Check me out at broadcasting seeds dot com.
Speaker 3: Awesome, Awesome, I'm really glad.
Speaker 4: I was happy to know when two people were like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, I love that guy's stuff, I was like, ohat, Like,
Speaker 4: I'm actually giving you a guest you want to talk to.
Speaker 3: So I'm very happy about that.
Speaker 4: Real quick before we get to Michael, though, because I'll
Speaker 4: forget and I'll mention it at the end and everybody
Speaker 4: will shut it off. By then December and December October eighteenth,
Speaker 4: fort Myers Charlie's Beyond Belief, Me and Tyrone will be
Speaker 4: there in Florida with a booth, and Brook from Dark
Speaker 4: Florida and the Occult Rejects will be speaking at that event.
Speaker 4: And then the twenty fifth and twenty sixth I will
Speaker 4: be at Arkansas and I will have a boot there.
Speaker 3: It's a two day event at.
Speaker 4: A museum, two levels, tons of shit going on, tons
Speaker 4: of stuff there.
Speaker 3: Definitely check out that one if you can.
Speaker 4: I will have I'll have Headless's art facale, and I
Speaker 4: will have our T shirts. So check it out. And
Speaker 4: Tyrone will be at one of them. He'll have the
Speaker 4: books and if he wants to leave me and he'll
Speaker 4: take some of the Arkansas. So come and check us out. Finally,
Speaker 4: after all that, we got Michael Collins Wandering Wolf Productions.
Speaker 3: What is going on, sir? Please let everybody know who
Speaker 3: the hell you are.
Speaker 1: Well, first, thank you guys so much for having me here.
Speaker 1: By the way, you guys have some pretty six swag there.
Speaker 1: I saw a coffee mug, I see a T shirt
Speaker 1: kind of going on.
Speaker 4: Man, the coffee bugs are actually those Those are gifts
Speaker 4: that I send out to the people on the show.
Speaker 3: But the shirts are available.
Speaker 1: I love it.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 1: That's awesome. I Mike with Wondering Wolf Productions. I basically
Speaker 1: travel around the world filming ancient sites. I like to
Speaker 1: focus on sites that are maybe less known. I mean
Speaker 1: all the big sites and stuff too, but I go
Speaker 1: to places that are maybe a little less known. I
Speaker 1: love getting out and adventuring around and stuff. I do
Speaker 1: have a conference coming up. I run tours too. The
Speaker 1: conference is December in Scottsdale. This is going to be
Speaker 1: a big one. We've got a stellar lineup. Jimmy Corsetti
Speaker 1: AJ from the Wi Files, David Hatcher, Childress, Gary Buschler
Speaker 1: from their Grotic Golly, Michael Button, Dan Richards who you
Speaker 1: just had on. Yes, bunch a bunch of big names.
Speaker 1: It's going to be an awesome event, and yours truly.
Speaker 1: I'll be there as well, so I hope to see
Speaker 1: everybody there. It's going to be an awesome event. Scottsdale,
Speaker 1: December fifth through the seventh. That's this December, so coming
Speaker 1: up quick. Got to grab your tickets because they're gone fast.
Speaker 1: So we got we got a good prices on those tickets.
Speaker 1: You can come for three days for two fifty.
Speaker 3: Oh sure, okay, yeah, I actually got to talk to
Speaker 3: you about that.
Speaker 1: They're tears, so yeah, so jump on them now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll drop the link to my website in the chat,
Speaker 1: so if people want to check that out, they can
Speaker 1: hit that go to the website. They can also see
Speaker 1: the events and different stuff that is, like tours and
Speaker 1: stuff that are going on and I got a book
Speaker 1: coming out too nice. So I got a book I'm
Speaker 1: dropping in a few months here, probably before the end
Speaker 1: of the year.
Speaker 3: That's all. Some nice books are always great. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Mike and Dave, but I think
Speaker 4: Mike and Britney from Mike and Dave's Multiverse are going
Speaker 4: to your show.
Speaker 3: You're going to that thing coming up, and there are
Speaker 3: bugging me about going solo.
Speaker 1: I am.
Speaker 3: I am thinking about it. I am thinking about it again.
Speaker 3: I'll talk to you after the show. I really would
Speaker 3: like to see about a boot So if you I'll
Speaker 3: talk to you about that one you talk about it
Speaker 3: on the show.
Speaker 1: Perfect, Yeah, yeah, well yeah, let's talk after that because
Speaker 1: we could. We can hook it up.
Speaker 3: We try something up. All right, funk, Where was I
Speaker 3: going with this?
Speaker 4: I was gonna ask you, all right, so what was it?
Speaker 3: I guess where did you start?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 4: How was it like all of a sudden, You're like
Speaker 4: I'm going to start going out and looking at stuff
Speaker 4: like like like when did that creep up in your
Speaker 4: head have become a passion?
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I'll give you the kind of give you
Speaker 1: the PG version. I guess if you guys want more,
Speaker 1: you can ask. I was working in sales.
Speaker 2: I want the rated R version rated R.
Speaker 1: I uh. I was working in sales for like twelve years.
Speaker 1: I'm ex military. I got out. I ended up in
Speaker 1: and doing a sales shop. I was just miserable. I'm
Speaker 1: not the kind of person that could just work for
Speaker 1: a paycheck. I need a purpose, right So, and you know,
Speaker 1: I was really at a low point in my life.
Speaker 1: I was pretty heavily addicted to drugs. This is in
Speaker 1: my early thirties, mid thirties, and I think, you know,
Speaker 1: there's just something came over me that was like, what
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know, I was looking at other
Speaker 1: people in my profession and that were older than me,
Speaker 1: and I was like, is this what you want? Is
Speaker 1: this where you're going? And I'd been into all, you know,
Speaker 1: I was serving in the military during nine to eleven,
Speaker 1: so there was a lot of things that I was
Speaker 1: witnessed to behind the scene in terms of you know,
Speaker 1: the military, the government, how things work, what's really going on.
Speaker 1: They were pushing anthrax vaccines back then, all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you know, you know version one.
Speaker 4: Are they trying to tell you you're going to be exposed
Speaker 4: to anthraxs. That's where they want to give it to you.
Speaker 3: Like, what's that?
Speaker 4: Were they trying to tell you might be exposed anthracks?
Speaker 4: So that's why we want to give you this.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, and they were trying to make me do
Speaker 1: the anthrax vaccent.
Speaker 11: Yo.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you, Michael, how many shots did you get?
Speaker 1: So when I joined in basic, I went down a
Speaker 1: hallway with like six nurses or something on both sides
Speaker 1: just hitting me in both shoulder step up, shoulder step.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I was getting.
Speaker 2: And I was so young, at least twenty bro.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was so young, I didn't even have the.
Speaker 2: Yeah you have.
Speaker 6: You didn't have the knowledge to fight back again. And
Speaker 6: that's that's interesting that you brought that up, because anthrax
Speaker 6: was a fucked up thing at that time.
Speaker 1: Yo. Yeah, it was yeah, and Andy. By the time
Speaker 1: I was getting out, they were pushing that. I was like, no,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that, you know, just from the experience
Speaker 1: that we just talked about from when I joined. But yeah,
Speaker 1: getting a look behind the curtain wash you know how
Speaker 1: things run and how how they you know, how things
Speaker 1: like the real the way the machine really works. And
Speaker 1: so you know, flash forward to again back in my
Speaker 1: in my thirties. You know, I was at this really
Speaker 1: low point and I just kind of something came over
Speaker 1: to me. It was like, you could just quit. You're
Speaker 1: miserable here. You could just quit and then you can't
Speaker 1: get any things couldn't get any worse than where they
Speaker 1: were at for me.
Speaker 3: So like even starting over, it's like I'm not fucking nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah did it? Nothing mattered anymore. So I I ended
Speaker 1: up quitting within two weeks. I was sober, and I
Speaker 1: started traveling and I ended up at Sachs and Mouman.
Speaker 1: And as soon as I went to that site and
Speaker 1: put my hands on those stumps, I just I knew
Speaker 1: immediately that this is what I wanted to do. And
Speaker 1: I haven't stopped traveling since. I just made it work.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, I didn't have any experience. I'm still
Speaker 1: not good at what I do is the filming and stuff.
Speaker 1: There's you know, but I just decided not to quit.
Speaker 1: And that's all I've been doing for ten years now.
Speaker 1: It's like not quitting. I got a little better at
Speaker 1: some things, but never quit. Here we are.
Speaker 6: You leave in a mark on this planet. And I
Speaker 6: say this all the time, or I say this to
Speaker 6: so many people. You die twice on this planet. You
Speaker 6: die once when you're physically gone, when your body's no more,
Speaker 6: you died a second side when nobody mentions your name.
Speaker 2: So keep doing what you're doing.
Speaker 3: I appreciate that the way to stay at God.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, the last ten years have
Speaker 1: just kind of taken me all over the world. It's
Speaker 1: I have any anywhere and everywhere that I thought might
Speaker 1: interest me I've just immediately just said yes to and gone.
Speaker 1: Things are getting a little more professional these days, I
Speaker 1: guess you would say the last year.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I could say just from listening to this
Speaker 4: show from the exception till now, you're like, what the
Speaker 4: fuck happened is totally different. Even I'm totally different. I mean,
Speaker 4: I guess just with age I calm down or something.
Speaker 4: I don't know, but you know, I can see what
Speaker 4: you're saying. Like I've even tried to step up and
Speaker 4: try to you know, you know, figure out the fucking
Speaker 4: shit I'm actually using. You know, maybe I'll actually watch
Speaker 4: them tutorials on my equipment at this point.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, but actual adult about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yea, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, so like maybe I'll
Speaker 4: actually read the instructions before I put the table together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's leveling up. And like, bro, you leveling up.
Speaker 2: You know if you if you're the same person when
Speaker 2: you was twenty years old, then you a problem. Problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, totally right.
Speaker 3: They say that too.
Speaker 4: If you get into occultism or like witchcraft the magic,
Speaker 4: if you're thinking and beliefs that the same way at
Speaker 4: the beginning where you are now, you're doing fucking something
Speaker 4: wrong because that shiit should always be evolving and changing
Speaker 4: or growing at least.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I guess, Michael, if you don't mind, unless anybody else
Speaker 4: has any questions right now, I'm just wanting to ask you.
Speaker 3: I guess, uh, which which which spot was the one
Speaker 3: that popped to cherry?
Speaker 4: You know where you went for I guess your first
Speaker 4: spot to kind of get into all.
Speaker 1: This Peru sexually my mom was that first spot that
Speaker 1: I hit. And then you know, when I was there,
Speaker 1: I did Manchu Pichu and you know, all the main
Speaker 1: stuff there in Peru, and then after that it was
Speaker 1: just kind of a whirlwind for several years of just
Speaker 1: traveling anywhere and everywhere. You know, I me'd be here.
Speaker 1: It take the whole time for me to tell you
Speaker 1: all the places. I mean, its hundreds and hundreds of
Speaker 1: ancient sites that I visited around the world. You know,
Speaker 1: I think I'm somewhere The channel logo says two hundred,
Speaker 1: but I think when I sit down and count, and
Speaker 1: I think I'm over at three somewhere, at three fifty
Speaker 1: plus ancient sites visited. I don't know anymore. I'd have
Speaker 1: to sit down and look at it. So it's been
Speaker 1: all over the world, and God, it's been fascinating. That's
Speaker 1: given me a perspective on you know, kind of this,
Speaker 1: this perspective on on on these sites and and the
Speaker 1: idea of them. A lot of this, these things being
Speaker 1: interconnected from all the different types of similarities, not not
Speaker 1: even similarities sometimes exact you know, types of constructions and
Speaker 1: stone working and and everything from mythology and legend and
Speaker 1: folklore and too, you know, ancient works and stone working
Speaker 1: and styles and stuff, symbolism and everything. It's given me
Speaker 1: quite a quite a look by in effect. And then
Speaker 1: you know that is also kind of especially over the
Speaker 1: last year given me a perspective similar to what I
Speaker 1: described about being in the army, getting a look behind
Speaker 1: the curtain of how these sites are managed and reconstructed
Speaker 1: around the world, which has been this year has been
Speaker 1: interesting more than any other year. This year has really
Speaker 1: kind of you know, honestly, it was a little bit
Speaker 1: of a blow. It was a little depressing and discouraging
Speaker 1: for a bit once I realized the extent of the
Speaker 1: process is involved in reconstructing sites around the world, and
Speaker 1: I kind of had to sit with that for months
Speaker 1: and months to like kind of find my passion again
Speaker 1: and not be so bummed out about it, you know.
Speaker 1: You know, I went over to Turkey with Jimmy exposed
Speaker 1: all the trees and different stuff over there, and that
Speaker 1: was big news for a while, and that put me
Speaker 1: in the crosshairs of the archaeologis community and it kind
Speaker 1: of made me double down and start exposing more. I
Speaker 1: put out a video Exposing Archaeology or Archaeology Exposed, and
Speaker 1: that videos basically I took shots from the last ten
Speaker 1: years of me traveling around the world, just showing these
Speaker 1: examples of some of the bad practices going on that
Speaker 1: are just like the stone working and things. These ancient
Speaker 1: stone workings are very similar. Also, the way these sites
Speaker 1: are being managed and handled and reconstructed are also similar.
Speaker 1: So you know, you see the same type of things
Speaker 1: going on in Turkey that you do in Central and
Speaker 1: South America.
Speaker 5: Michael, all of these all of these mngos really interested
Speaker 5: in taking control over these sites. Yeah, hopefully go Becky,
Speaker 5: Teppy and other places. It seems like they're trying to
Speaker 5: make this sort of entertainment industry out of these sites.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, actually doing any kind of digging or explanation
Speaker 5: of any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And that's the depressing part. It's big business. So heritage
Speaker 1: tourism right now sits it somewhere, which is what this is,
Speaker 1: sits it somewhere over five hundred billion dollars, right that's
Speaker 1: projected to grow in the next by twenty thirty one
Speaker 1: thirty two, that's expected to be somewhere up close to
Speaker 1: eight hundred billion, and in ten, in less than ten years,
Speaker 1: it'll be a trillion dollar a year industry. So you know,
Speaker 1: when these archaeologists and different people argue and say that,
Speaker 1: you know, the powers that be that are running all
Speaker 1: these sites, I always, you know, always have the best
Speaker 1: interest of the site in mind in terms of history discovery,
Speaker 1: and it's just bullshit, It's comical. I can't even take
Speaker 1: that type of argument seriously. We're talking about an like
Speaker 1: an insane amount of money, an absolutely insane amount of money.
Speaker 1: This is a bigger industry than you know. I mean
Speaker 1: this that puts it in one of the top industries
Speaker 1: in the entire world as heritage tourism. So it's big
Speaker 1: money and places are regularly faked built up, and you
Speaker 1: know it's uh yeah, it's all in Mexico, man, you
Speaker 1: know that it really sucks, you know, because I love
Speaker 1: Central South American I love visiting these sites. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean Tatocon that's a pile of concrete. I mean
Speaker 1: it's completely covered in concrete. That's all concrete. Cheecha, that's concrete.
Speaker 1: All these sites I just was in Guatemala to call
Speaker 1: they're completely on site rebuilding stones that they're making out
Speaker 1: of concrete and reshaping these pyramids. So they're not excavating
Speaker 1: the pyramids, they're just covering them in concrete, concrete blocks,
Speaker 1: concrete stones, trees, and so they build around them. And
Speaker 1: so it looked after a year, all those that concrete
Speaker 1: and those stones and stuff. Sometimes they're shaping them with
Speaker 1: line and lines, but you know, making lines of but
Speaker 1: don't leave the trees in them. So in a year,
Speaker 1: those stones won't be white anymore. They'll be all dirty
Speaker 1: and overgrown with moss and stuff, and they'll look old,
Speaker 1: and then you have trees sticking out of them. The
Speaker 1: average person can't can't tell the difference.
Speaker 3: Right man.
Speaker 2: I ask you a question, Michael.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you brought up go Beckley type and that's very interesting.
Speaker 6: You know, you brought up Jimmy Corsetti an idea of
Speaker 6: the trees and you know what is destroying underneath and
Speaker 6: stuff like that. Do you think that Jimmy Corsetti could
Speaker 6: use a little bit more help and representation to get
Speaker 6: this ship fixed and resolved rather than being solo. Because
Speaker 6: the reason and one of the reasons why I access
Speaker 6: because you are you are an announce. You enunciated the
Speaker 6: amount of money that it takes for people to do
Speaker 6: stuff like this. Now, Jimmy Corse said, he is only
Speaker 6: one person. You're only one person. As two people, if
Speaker 6: we have a group of individuals that work together, do
Speaker 6: you think that it would be more prominent for these
Speaker 6: individuals to take a serious one idea of destruction from
Speaker 6: go back to Tepe or do you think that these
Speaker 6: individuals are only waiting for somebody to with big money
Speaker 6: to sit there and step on their toes and be like, look,
Speaker 6: you need to fix this shit today.
Speaker 1: It's tough. I don't know how you go to head
Speaker 1: head to head with you know, multinational corporations and stuff
Speaker 1: that are running and stuff. I think Jimmy's a one
Speaker 1: man army. He's fucking rocking it, dude, and he's holding
Speaker 1: them people account and he's been going hard for the
Speaker 1: last month or two since doctor Lee Clair got back
Speaker 1: online on Twitter. So you know, Jimmy's pressure got those
Speaker 1: trees and lived. He got he he was able to
Speaker 1: enact change. We showed up the day that they removed
Speaker 1: those trees. We had no idea.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pressure bus piz bro and he did that shit
Speaker 6: Like That's why I'm That's why I'm asking.
Speaker 2: That's why I'm specifically asking.
Speaker 6: If we had more. You can't have a one man army, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's no way you can have the one army. Not
Speaker 6: one person can change anything, but one person can bring
Speaker 6: aus to other individuals.
Speaker 2: That can help change things.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: So my next question is who do you think that
Speaker 6: is next to Jimmy Corsetti that will be able to
Speaker 6: bring the representation of history and knowledge to the people
Speaker 6: rather than sitting here being hey, I'm arguing with one
Speaker 6: on one person. You know, somebody has millions and billions
Speaker 6: of dollars. Somebody has a couple of million dollars. The
Speaker 6: person with the billions of dollars can shut that motherfucker
Speaker 6: down quick, right, So we have to understand and that
Speaker 6: when we bring people back together. One thing that I
Speaker 6: like about Nick is that he has a group of
Speaker 6: individuals with specialties. Okay, it's not just one person that
Speaker 6: can say that they know something. There's a numerous individuals
Speaker 6: that can say something and bring the representation of knowledge
Speaker 6: to the front of individuals. How can we accomplish that
Speaker 6: if we only assuming that one person is a one
Speaker 6: man army.
Speaker 1: You know, like the people. If if people feel passionate
Speaker 1: enough about something like go Betty Deppy, they need they
Speaker 1: need to get involved and be vocal like Jimmy's doing.
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean he he is making changes.
Speaker 1: He got the trees removed by pressure. When you have
Speaker 1: a you know, you got to remember, someone like Jimmy,
Speaker 1: who has almost two million followers, is like enacting. You know,
Speaker 1: he's mobilizing his following and he did that to get
Speaker 1: those trees when moved to put public pressure and really,
Speaker 1: you know, you you made a great point. When somebody
Speaker 1: has more money, you know, it's hard to combat that
Speaker 1: when you don't have the money. And the way to
Speaker 1: combat that is basically Jimmy's writing the blue the blueprint
Speaker 1: for that. It's taking your your followers and mobilizing your
Speaker 1: support to put public pressure on because companies like the
Speaker 1: Docius group don't want people looking at them. People. Look,
Speaker 1: it's not Lee Claire that I mean, he's the guy
Speaker 1: running the site right and representing all that, But who's
Speaker 1: really pulling the strings over there. It's the people that
Speaker 1: have Exact Company and these companies that have invested millions
Speaker 1: of dollars to have rights to manage the site, and
Speaker 1: they don't want to be in the spotlight. They don't
Speaker 1: want to be in the Turkish.
Speaker 6: And that's part of my problem, Michael, is that you
Speaker 6: have people on the outside of the box putting money
Speaker 6: in to people who they believe is a representation of
Speaker 6: their narrative.
Speaker 2: Okay, everybody has a narrative when we pick up a book.
Speaker 6: If all six of us right now picked up a book,
Speaker 6: I guarantee you if we had a discussion after we
Speaker 6: read that book, we will all have different narratives. Oh yeah, Now,
Speaker 6: what evidence and facts can you provide from that book
Speaker 6: that backs up your narrative?
Speaker 3: And that's the problem.
Speaker 6: Everybody can piece pick a piece of the puzzle to say, hey, yo,
Speaker 6: I'm backing up my narrative because it is that in
Speaker 6: the third and then when you bring this that in
Speaker 6: the third, somebody else has to bring this that in
Speaker 6: the third to the table. So that's why I'm asking, Oh,
Speaker 6: go ahead, bro. It's just supreme.
Speaker 5: The supreme irony in all of this is that it's
Speaker 5: a win win situation, totally win win. The more Jimmy
Speaker 5: Corsetti brings eyes on this case, the more people want
Speaker 5: to visit Gobecki Teppy, and the more study they do
Speaker 5: and the more findings they get out of that place,
Speaker 5: the more people are willing to visit go Back and Teppy.
Speaker 5: That's the thing that gets me is like this is
Speaker 5: so anti business what they're engaging in. It's almost laughable.
Speaker 5: But it seems like it's that way on every level now,
Speaker 5: on these corporate hierarchies, it's just they don't really care
Speaker 5: about money as long as they can, you know, take
Speaker 5: a little off the top and retire to whatever home
Speaker 5: they're in. They don't care about these sites. You know,
Speaker 5: it really is up to us to not only get
Speaker 5: the attention back on this because there was a lot
Speaker 5: of pressure and a lot of the tension. For a
Speaker 5: couple of weeks, it felt like that was something we
Speaker 5: could win, and so a lot of people got on
Speaker 5: board with it. You know. I think that's that's the
Speaker 5: real uh you know kicker here is we could all
Speaker 5: be winning from this if they just you know, had
Speaker 5: a little bit more you know, respect.
Speaker 1: For the consumers. Yeah, and look, I'm not against tourism.
Speaker 1: I'm not against heritage tourism. I'm not against tourism to
Speaker 1: ancient sites and visiting these sites. I just, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that there's a I think you know that
Speaker 1: that you know, not every there's a lot of places
Speaker 1: that are doing good things. And I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: shit on every archaeologist out there either. I think that
Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if we're staying on Go
Speaker 1: Beckley to the topic of Go Beckley Teppe. I think
Speaker 1: that there was just a lot of kind of you know,
Speaker 1: things going wrong there that needed to be addressed, and
Speaker 1: they started getting addressed, and it looks like something like
Speaker 1: the spotlight is on that place now and that's what
Speaker 1: we wanted, right and I think that's what was needed.
Speaker 1: There's people on both sides now daily talking about Go
Speaker 1: Beckley Teppee, and that makes it a lot harder for
Speaker 1: shady shit to go down, and so hopefully that can change,
Speaker 1: you know, the way things. Hopefully that affects things that
Speaker 1: are happening there on a day to day basis.
Speaker 6: When it comes to Go Beckley Tepe, what is the
Speaker 6: most profound evidence that you found that there's a civilization
Speaker 6: that preceded before any civilization on this plannet And what
Speaker 6: I mean by civilization and I need you to explain it.
Speaker 6: What is your understanding of a civilization before you get
Speaker 6: into death Go Beckley type being older.
Speaker 1: Go Beckley Tepee and that that whole region that the
Speaker 1: Todds Tepla region it's is, you know, because there's sites
Speaker 1: that are there that are older than Go Beckley Teppe.
Speaker 1: You know this is and I'm sorry trying to isn't
Speaker 1: a lot, right, Yeah, I don't. You know. My thoughts
Speaker 1: on Go Beckley Teppy and It's important is that it's
Speaker 1: hugely important. You pointed out a lot of connections around them.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I feel like every ancient site
Speaker 1: is basically connected to some other ancient site that it
Speaker 1: shouldn't be by time and symbols and construction and examples
Speaker 1: and things like that. You know, Go Beckley Teppey is
Speaker 1: a perfect example. And we just have a fraction of
Speaker 1: the pillars with those carvings and stuff excavated. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think the site is only at like five percent.
Speaker 1: If you want to see somebody who's doing really good
Speaker 1: work on this Arcaic Lens is like crushing it right now.
Speaker 1: He's going hard on connecting these symbols to other sites
Speaker 1: around the world. So some that you didn't mention would
Speaker 1: be Easter Island and the bird with the sun or
Speaker 1: the symbol you know, holding the and and that symbol
Speaker 1: also being found at Go Beckley Teppee. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of connections that he's been making lately that are that
Speaker 1: I've been really enjoying watching and I think he needs
Speaker 1: to get quite a bit more eyes on him and
Speaker 1: credit for his work. And I love his stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, they it's it's it's hard to say. There's
Speaker 1: hundreds more pillars that we know are at go Beckley
Speaker 1: Teppe and and you know, so we have a fraction
Speaker 1: of the site excavated giving us information about our history
Speaker 1: or prehistory.
Speaker 5: Isn't the site kind of an archipelago? So you've got
Speaker 5: like other tuppies or other hills that they know have
Speaker 5: these pillars inside of them that they haven't even unearthed
Speaker 5: or you know, aving shit. So it's it's so much
Speaker 5: more richer than people even know, and yet they barely
Speaker 5: scratched the sit.
Speaker 1: Could be a wealth of knowledge that would you know,
Speaker 1: reveal a lot to us. And I think you know
Speaker 1: where you know, where I kind of come into all
Speaker 1: this in terms of contributing is a bit more of
Speaker 1: what I kind of explained earlier about traveling around the
Speaker 1: world and seeing these different interconnecttionss. If you're you know,
Speaker 1: breaking certain stuff down and getting in depth into like
Speaker 1: details of historical sites and information, you know there's going
Speaker 1: to be some better people out there for that. What
Speaker 1: I can say is is that what I see happening
Speaker 1: around the world is is that we've developed basically this
Speaker 1: system of excavating these ancient sites up to five maybe
Speaker 1: five to twenty percent at most. Right, most of these
Speaker 1: sites never get excavated at anywhere beyond twenty percent on average.
Speaker 1: I think worldwide it's like twenty percent that sites usually
Speaker 1: get excavated to. And so we've built this entire understanding
Speaker 1: of our history on what up to an absolute fraction
Speaker 1: fragments of what's available to us and what could be
Speaker 1: available to us. Right, So I think you know, the
Speaker 1: answer is we don't know. And that's what people in
Speaker 1: our positions that are interested in all this are upset about,
Speaker 1: especially when you start getting into stuff like gobeclea tepee
Speaker 1: and they're putting out information like we're not going to
Speaker 1: excavate for one hundred and fifty years. We're not going
Speaker 1: to fully excavate the site. I mean, the head archaeologist
Speaker 1: of the site has said that out loud that he's
Speaker 1: not going to excavate the site. He has no plans
Speaker 1: or intentions to do that. So how are we supposed
Speaker 1: to build any kind of nut with just that we have.
Speaker 1: We're already making connections all over the place.
Speaker 4: True, Michael Man, if you don't mind, you had mentioned
Speaker 4: earlier that you had seen common things popping up at
Speaker 4: different spots. I would like if maybe we could revisit that,
Speaker 4: because I found that very interesting. There was something else
Speaker 4: I wanted to talk about, but since you brought that up,
Speaker 4: I wanted to get to that. Not to put you
Speaker 4: on the spot, but if there's any examples that you
Speaker 4: could give us, I would like that. If there was
Speaker 4: maybe symbolism or even architecture.
Speaker 3: There's just like, you know, how did that get there?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think symbolism is a great one to start with.
Speaker 1: We just you know, listed a bunch of examples there
Speaker 1: with go Beckley Teppy and it's connections to other sites
Speaker 1: around the world. But then you start getting into things
Speaker 1: like nubs, scoop marks, holes, the key block things they're
Speaker 1: you know between stones.
Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. What do you think that's about? The
Speaker 3: key lock Those are.
Speaker 1: I think designed to keep the stone stable together, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I've seen those everywhere from China to South America to
Speaker 1: I mean everywhere, literally everywhere.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. I thought there was a certain
Speaker 3: order that might have used that in their architecture. That
Speaker 3: could be wrong. I don't know.
Speaker 1: You know, you see different styles, but they're very h
Speaker 1: they're found all over the place.
Speaker 3: Was that Did the Templars do that?
Speaker 1: In there?
Speaker 3: In their stuff? They put key holes?
Speaker 1: Are you asking me?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember, all right, No, I'm probably
Speaker 3: totally wrong.
Speaker 4: It's just I remember seeing something where I thought they
Speaker 4: were able to figure out that how old it was
Speaker 4: in a predated what they thought it was older because
Speaker 4: of the key hole symbol that matched something that could
Speaker 4: be it even showed that people were here prior to Columbus.
Speaker 3: I could be wrong. Maybe it's not a key hole,
Speaker 3: something close to it.
Speaker 1: I apologize, Yeah, I mean even the style of pyramids,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it does make sense if you're
Speaker 1: going to build a pyramid to do step pyramids, right,
Speaker 1: But then you know, if you take out the outer cover,
Speaker 1: even in places like Egypt, you have examples of what
Speaker 1: looked like step pyramids, which is always kind of made
Speaker 1: me wonder if a lot of these other pyramids that
Speaker 1: we found all over the world used to have casing
Speaker 1: on the outside where they would have been smooth at
Speaker 1: some point and it was removed or you know, deteriorated,
Speaker 1: you know, because.
Speaker 3: Well they think that happened over in Egypt as well,
Speaker 3: right on the pyramids.
Speaker 1: But Egypt so an interesting example because you know, being
Speaker 1: in the desert, you know, you have you know a
Speaker 1: lot of these other places like Cambodia for example. I mean,
Speaker 1: you leave a site like that alone. You know, like
Speaker 1: if a site in Cambodia was abandoned within ten years,
Speaker 1: it would be completely overrun with trees and vegetation that
Speaker 1: would just damage it and destroy the exterior for like
Speaker 1: a pyramid or something, all sorts of stuff that doesn't
Speaker 1: happen in Egypt there in the.
Speaker 5: Desert ank or watt they believed to be you know
Speaker 5: a myth until like what the eighteen nineties or something
Speaker 5: like that, So you know, they just found it in
Speaker 5: the middle of the jungle. It was completely overtaken. Yeah,
Speaker 5: the whole Last City Temple complex.
Speaker 1: That's an incredible, incredible site. I mean, I think Cambodia
Speaker 1: is the only place that I've ever been to where
Speaker 1: I was like I had to take a break from
Speaker 1: visiting site. It was too it was so much, it
Speaker 1: was so much. I mean, you can just I did
Speaker 1: visit sites all day long, every day for like almost
Speaker 1: two weeks. I think it was just I think at
Speaker 1: the into it, I was just like, Yo, I'm dumb.
Speaker 1: I'm out, Like I need a break, I gotta just
Speaker 1: sit down. We're just like I'm overdone with temples. It's
Speaker 1: always they're always temples, right, They're always you know, but anyways, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't buy. It's just it's just a jungle full
Speaker 1: of ancient sites.
Speaker 4: It's amazing you uh again, I'm not trying to put
Speaker 4: you on the spoty, It's just you know, maybe it's
Speaker 4: something maybe that I would remember, like what you read,
Speaker 4: you remember like your first time being like fuck.
Speaker 3: I've seen this before somewhere, you know, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like when it really started to click, I was like, well,
Speaker 4: maybe I should really start paying attention to more stuff, like.
Speaker 3: Or you're already looking to begin with, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Like for me, I'm thinking if I just stumbled upon
Speaker 4: and realizing that, I'd be like, oh shit, I haven't
Speaker 4: even been.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I was already watching videos and stuff
Speaker 1: deep down the YouTube rabbit hole, right, so I kind
Speaker 1: of you know, it's familiar with the similarities and stuff
Speaker 1: around the world. And when I started, I was looking
Speaker 1: for those things everywhere I went. The things that I
Speaker 1: was really paying attention to was nubs and scoop marks
Speaker 1: and uh, drill holes and machining marks and things like that.
Speaker 1: So I was looking for those things. I think the
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that was like a
Speaker 1: big this isn't exactly what you asked, but it's what's
Speaker 1: an AHA moment for me was I went to Seapack.
Speaker 1: I don't know, that was like four years ago now,
Speaker 1: I think maybe five.
Speaker 3: And you don't mind me asking what is it? Sea Pack.
Speaker 1: It was at a conference, okay, and been from Untried
Speaker 1: Dex gave a presentation there that just kind of blew
Speaker 1: my mind. He he did a presentation on the basis
Speaker 1: and this is when he really started getting it. I mean,
Speaker 1: he'd already been into it, but I hadn't really heard
Speaker 1: of it before. And I set through that his presentation
Speaker 1: on the basis and it just really it blew my mind.
Speaker 1: Because I had been visiting museums all over the world.
Speaker 1: You know, when I go somewhere, I'll go to the
Speaker 1: museum there too. But I would just walk past all
Speaker 1: the stuff that was like pottery and things and different stuff.
Speaker 1: I was, you know, I was really interested in the
Speaker 1: megalists and these massive sites and things, and I was
Speaker 1: walking by some of the coolest shit that exists on
Speaker 1: the planet. And I had no idea because I just
Speaker 1: didn't know. You don't know what you don't know, right,
Speaker 1: And so when I, you know, heard that presentation by Ben,
Speaker 1: who was so good, he's so good at communicating information
Speaker 1: and details, it was really eye opening. I was sitting
Speaker 1: there in the audience and it was just this aha
Speaker 1: moment of like connecting in my head all the places
Speaker 1: that I'd been around the world and being like I
Speaker 1: walked past that I had filmed that I've looked at
Speaker 1: that and I didn't even pay attention. I was just
Speaker 1: like pointing the camera, filmed it, and like moved on
Speaker 1: and I and here he is describing just how you know,
Speaker 1: the detail hell involved in some of these pieces. And
Speaker 1: that was a big AHA moment for me in the
Speaker 1: last handful of years. So like to slow down and
Speaker 1: really take my time with stuff.
Speaker 11: I'm sorry you brought you brought up Saxe Woman earlier
Speaker 11: and like that was your big shift right, visiting over
Speaker 11: two hundred three hundred sites, right, if you had to
Speaker 11: pick one.
Speaker 8: That really is like one of those places that's you
Speaker 8: think it's a big deal, but it's not a big
Speaker 8: deal in the world stage, like it's kind of being
Speaker 8: ignored maybe or even suppressed. Do you have a place
Speaker 8: like that that you think other than like what we've
Speaker 8: talked about already.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think Peru has a million more secrets
Speaker 1: to reveal. I think that Peru is known for places
Speaker 1: like Machu Pichu and soaks Wuman, but there's an entire there,
Speaker 1: you know. I drove the highway from Lima all the
Speaker 1: way down to Nasca and to do the Nasca Lines,
Speaker 1: and on the way, which just looking out, I got
Speaker 1: the ocean on my left driving back from nas from
Speaker 1: the Nasca Lines to Lima, and I've got farm land
Speaker 1: and kind of overrun deserty looking land and stuff, and
Speaker 1: there's just pyramids. Yeah, there's just there's pyramids. They're clearly pyramids,
Speaker 1: so wild and there, and they're they're being there's houses
Speaker 1: on them and shacks or they're actively being like demolished
Speaker 1: to like raise them down to a level that could
Speaker 1: be used for Farmland. I think that Peru has has
Speaker 1: so many more secrets to reveal, and I think it
Speaker 1: has a bigger story in our historical past then it's
Speaker 1: being credited with right now. And I think all that's
Speaker 1: going to come out in the future. The other the
Speaker 1: other thing that I think is going to blow up
Speaker 1: in the coming years, and I've been saying this for years,
Speaker 1: as America. I think that people are not looking at America.
Speaker 8: And I say America, do you mean the United States
Speaker 8: or just.
Speaker 1: Like in America. Yeah, I think that. I think that
Speaker 1: there's things to be found here that but nobody looks here.
Speaker 1: Everybody looks elsewhere.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I love here.
Speaker 8: There's a whole bunch of us that do here.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 4: Yeah too, just just real quick too, is and something
Speaker 4: I've looked at due to a cultists and you would
Speaker 4: probably even even notice this tube minute at some point
Speaker 4: it was like prior to Laurel Canyon times you had
Speaker 4: a fucked ton of occultist all running down to Mexico.
Speaker 3: Something's open. Even Charles Manson was trying to go there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I do think that there's something down there too that
Speaker 3: they're very interested in you know.
Speaker 8: Carley, I know you've been there. Actually the video that
Speaker 8: that I guess it was two years ago probably that
Speaker 8: I saw you. The first video I ever saw you
Speaker 8: doing was at the Stage Wall. And I work from
Speaker 8: Montana State University and go to Bozeman quite a bit.
Speaker 8: I live in New York, but I work in remotely
Speaker 8: a little bit, right, So I go there a few
Speaker 8: times a year, and I haven't been to the stage
Speaker 8: Wall yet, but this I'm going to have the opportunity
Speaker 8: this coming year.
Speaker 2: So what what are like what are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: places like that?
Speaker 8: I mean, I know there's a lot of controversy about
Speaker 8: whether it's about what the stage wall means or what
Speaker 8: it is or is it natural?
Speaker 1: Is it you know whatever?
Speaker 8: And besides the point it gets peakal people gets their
Speaker 8: minds going and peaked, right, So when you say America,
Speaker 8: that goes right along with that type of stuff. Is
Speaker 8: what other sites are there besides like the Sage Wall
Speaker 8: things like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you know Stage Wall. I've been going up
Speaker 1: there now for the last four or five years every year.
Speaker 1: I was just up there again this year and they
Speaker 1: literally in the last few weeks just released years of
Speaker 1: research on their website. They open sourced it. It's available
Speaker 1: right now. Okay, people who go to Sage Mountaincenter dot
Speaker 1: org and look at all of this. All this is
Speaker 1: light R professional light R work done ground penetrating radar.
Speaker 1: They've released the analysis of like I think they did
Speaker 1: the Stone analysis on the wall. They've done a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff and they've least all of it, so it's
Speaker 1: all available with the public on their website. You can
Speaker 1: go look at it, play around it with it. If
Speaker 1: you're numbers and person guy, you're gonna get in. You're
Speaker 1: going to know for a while. It's great sounds everywhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and stage fall is question an anomaly. It's the work
Speaker 1: being done there. It feels like how things should be
Speaker 1: done like they're And ultimately I don't think it really
Speaker 1: matters because if I mean it matters, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: But the information that they're getting is beneficial either way,
Speaker 1: whether that becomes whether that's something that's man made or
Speaker 1: something that is a completely natural. Now, the explanations for
Speaker 1: that site that I've always have always people grow try
Speaker 1: to throw at me who disagree with it being man made,
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've never come down on one
Speaker 1: side saying it's for sure this or for sure that,
Speaker 1: but I think that it's worth continuing to invest the
Speaker 1: gate and asked the question, and but people always like
Speaker 1: to say that it's a volcanic dike or you know,
Speaker 1: you're like a dyke. Yeah, yeah, and I've seen plenty
Speaker 1: of dikes. It doesn't look anything like a dike. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are blocks. And I think somebody else did like
Speaker 1: a debunking video that was like a thing Bino did one.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he didn't do a few. He's done a
Speaker 1: few the backside.
Speaker 8: And not necessarily debunking. But like, here's what people are
Speaker 8: saying is right that his video says.
Speaker 1: But what he was saying was the backside was going
Speaker 1: into the hill. It doesn't we So they finally excavated
Speaker 1: it and I went up there and we filmed it.
Speaker 1: But backside is blocked like the front. So there you go.
Speaker 1: You know they're going to excavate. They're just doing it
Speaker 1: a layer at a time, which is great because you know,
Speaker 1: if they just started digging and there are things that
Speaker 1: bringing in the back oes, yeah, if there are are
Speaker 1: the facts and stuff down there, those are things that
Speaker 1: can help make the case right. So they are taking
Speaker 1: it slow, and it is slower than normal because they're
Speaker 1: funding everything. This is their home. Yeah, they've opened up
Speaker 1: to the public uge to allow people to come up
Speaker 1: there and visit, and so it's taken over their life.
Speaker 1: They had another business that they had to quit doing
Speaker 1: to allow people on site and do this full time.
Speaker 1: So when people bitch about the price for entry, it's
Speaker 1: like they're letting you into their home and they've had
Speaker 1: to change their entire lives to make this happen. So
Speaker 1: it's available for people to go see. And I personally,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, feel like my experience walking up
Speaker 1: to stage well the first time was very similar to
Speaker 1: walking up to SA say well, mom, it's jaw dropping. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's crazy. It's crazy walking up on that thing. I
Speaker 1: can't I've shot tons of video, tons of drumfully and
Speaker 1: I can't film it that place in any way that
Speaker 1: does it justice in terms of just how impressive it
Speaker 1: is to see in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you consider a civilization?
Speaker 1: Agriculture is a big part of it, being stationary, building community.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I was talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: with Peru having tons of secrets to still reveal. I
Speaker 1: don't think it's just Peru. I mean I think the
Speaker 1: whole Amazon. I mean, we've we we know that, like
Speaker 1: you know, I mean I think that there's this idea
Speaker 1: that the entire Amazon is basically a was a like
Speaker 1: a created soil from ancient people, right, is anybody familiar
Speaker 1: with that?
Speaker 11: What is it?
Speaker 1: I can't remember the term for that soil black soil?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, the light our scans on it have shown
Speaker 5: the there are ancient waterways that have been filled in
Speaker 5: by the jungle. So if it was irrigated at some point,
Speaker 5: it was farmland.
Speaker 1: So so what we're talking about terra preta yeah, terror
Speaker 1: preda Yeah, but that's basically all of the Amazon.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like it's like it's a a loosely made ecosystem
Speaker 8: by human right, right with the rapta, right, like the
Speaker 8: wild garden yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And and something happened and so it's just that
Speaker 1: all disappeared. I'm not I yeah, I I think South
Speaker 1: America has so much more to reveal. And I'm not
Speaker 1: sold on the out of Africa theory. I don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not stuck with the side of that civilization.
Speaker 2: Started in one place, right, I don't agree with that
Speaker 2: city either. And I have African blood.
Speaker 1: In me bro.
Speaker 2: I don't believe that city either, I seriously don't.
Speaker 6: And the reason also, the whole reason why is because
Speaker 6: there's been plenty of species on this planet before Homo
Speaker 6: safetien sapiens, okay. And with that understanding, there no doubt
Speaker 6: in my mind that a group of individuals could have
Speaker 6: started in two places at one Two things can be
Speaker 6: right at once. You can have two facts with two lies.
Speaker 6: You just have to decipher what is the facts and
Speaker 6: whatever the lies. That's why I respect you so much, Michael.
Speaker 6: I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I want to put you guys on
Speaker 1: a copy this. Drop it in the chat. There's a
Speaker 1: a young man doing really good work right now up
Speaker 1: in Michigan and the up and I just dropped his
Speaker 1: YouTube channel in the chat. He is. We met on
Speaker 1: one of my tours, actually my tour to Peru. He's
Speaker 1: coming with me to Egypt next month too, and he
Speaker 1: started the YouTube channel. He invited me up there. I
Speaker 1: did a video on the key in the wall and
Speaker 1: he's been exploring, looking in mountains and stuff up there.
Speaker 1: There's the whole thing. Up in the up Upper Peninsula
Speaker 1: of Michigan on the Mont cultures copper mining connection with
Speaker 1: the Phoenicians coming over in mining and tying into this
Speaker 1: whole lack of mining sites are available copper for the
Speaker 1: amount of copper that was used in the past over
Speaker 1: in Europe, right and everywhere. So he's been digging into
Speaker 1: a lot of that and dropping a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: and I think that's really interesting and exploring that idea
Speaker 1: that there was a lot of that there was stuff
Speaker 1: going on between continents way before we're we're you know,
Speaker 1: is being accepted in regular history history books, right. And
Speaker 1: I love what he's doing up there. I think it's
Speaker 1: good stuff. But maybe they ended up maybe you know,
Speaker 1: maybe there was stuff going on in America and South America,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm not you know, you know, some of
Speaker 1: these cultures and if you go back, if we're going
Speaker 1: back ten plus thousand years, you know we're talking about
Speaker 1: it's always blown my mind that we think that these
Speaker 1: cultures are capable of doing this incredible these incredible megalithic works,
Speaker 1: but they couldn't build a boat and sail across the ocean, right,
Speaker 1: and they can align these structures to pinpoint precision, almost
Speaker 1: alignment with cardinal directions and all sorts of stuff, but
Speaker 1: they couldn't navigate a boat across the ocean. It's like,
Speaker 1: get the fuck out of here.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't know, you know, before I ask
Speaker 4: you some other stuff ethan not to put you on
Speaker 4: the spot, But I don't think you've actually really got
Speaker 4: to ask, really say much.
Speaker 3: Was there anything you did want to ask?
Speaker 1: Well?
Speaker 7: I was going to say, that's a really great contrast
Speaker 7: or comparison to the ability to travel the ocean as
Speaker 7: opposed to microlithic creations, because we can travel the seas now,
Speaker 7: but we can't recreate what they've done. I wanted to
Speaker 7: actually ask Nick you you kind of touched on something
Speaker 7: I wanted to ask about the similarities and the consistencies
Speaker 7: I was going to ask about you You mentioned how
Speaker 7: in modernity there were several consistencies that you saw in
Speaker 7: the kind of bumbling recreation or or kind of surfacing
Speaker 7: making it look neat for their tourists things. Do you
Speaker 7: think there is just the intention to make more money
Speaker 7: or is there something else? Do you think there's another
Speaker 7: reason for why they seem to all be doing the
Speaker 7: same format.
Speaker 1: That I'm sorry.
Speaker 11: Was that for me?
Speaker 1: I thought you said, Nick, Yeah, I know, I was
Speaker 1: asking you. I'm so sorry for asking a question I
Speaker 1: thought I heard.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it was because something I said that he
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you questions.
Speaker 1: All right, I hate to do that, man, Please tell
Speaker 1: me tell me again. No, no, no, that's okay.
Speaker 9: I was you mentioned how there were the consistencies in
Speaker 9: the resurfacing in modernity as well as the consistencies in
Speaker 9: their creation and construction.
Speaker 7: In the ancient times. Do you think they're their reasoning
Speaker 7: is merely for tourist dollars to make it more clean
Speaker 7: of a surface, or is there some some other reasoning
Speaker 7: that they have.
Speaker 1: For the consistency and like how they're rebuilding these sites.
Speaker 9: Yeah, just the financial uh.
Speaker 1: I think it's takes into a larger a bigger picture
Speaker 1: umbrella of control or you know whatever. Like you know, ultimately,
Speaker 1: when you get to the top of the food chain,
Speaker 1: there's just like a few companies running everything, a few
Speaker 1: businesses or whatever. Right, So when I go around the
Speaker 1: world and I see it's always it's always the same roofs,
Speaker 1: it's always the same roofing systems, it's the same style
Speaker 1: when they really start popping money into these places, they
Speaker 1: always look they look the same. Now, maybe there's similarity
Speaker 1: because you know, they're seeing how they're doing it over
Speaker 1: here and they're like, well, we can do that and
Speaker 1: make it look cool too. I don't know, but you
Speaker 1: know what I see from how they reconstruct sites behind
Speaker 1: the scenes where where people don't see, because I've had
Speaker 1: I've gotten access to places where the general public isn't
Speaker 1: allowed in Egypt, in Belize and Guatemala, in uh Turkey,
Speaker 1: in Lebanon, I've I've been given access behind the scenes
Speaker 1: and how to look how they're doing stuff, and it's
Speaker 1: it seems like it's always the same. So you know,
Speaker 1: when you start chasing the dollars, I think you start
Speaker 1: getting answers, you start you start looking at who's funding
Speaker 1: those ultimately, like right like because that for example, with Turkey,
Speaker 1: the it's not the the Turkish government. They signed over there,
Speaker 1: they signed the site over to the DOSES Group. It's
Speaker 1: an international it's a multinational corporation that does stuff that
Speaker 1: handles this specific type of work all over the world.
Speaker 1: And this isn't just reconstruction, this also goes into destroying sites.
Speaker 1: So this ties into US. Stuff like with companies like
Speaker 1: Rio Tinto, which is a mining operation, a mining company
Speaker 1: based out of the UK. It's a multinational company. They've
Speaker 1: destroyed hundreds of sites in Australia and they've now been
Speaker 1: granted mining rights by Montana for mining in Montana. And
Speaker 1: now there's black helicopters and stuff flying over Sage Wall,
Speaker 1: and they have plans for some of these areas where
Speaker 1: even if I don't necessarily agree on a specific location,
Speaker 1: I think it's a natural formation. People are looking into it. Well,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, these areas are being looked at
Speaker 1: for mining and destruction, or they're building highways through stuff
Speaker 1: or roads. So you have everything from reconstruction to the
Speaker 1: same companies around the world showing up at ancient sites
Speaker 1: for things like mining and different stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: it's when you start chasing the money. It seems like
Speaker 1: it always kind of comes back to a lot of
Speaker 1: the same companies all around the world. So if that's
Speaker 1: the case, it would make sense that a lot of
Speaker 1: these places look exactly the same.
Speaker 6: Hey, when you said that money wrote a Seriously, I've
Speaker 6: read so many books from them, from Masons from Allen Park,
Speaker 6: Godfrey Higgins to everybody in between, Aber Churchward and all
Speaker 6: these individuals. And I can tell you that these Masons,
Speaker 6: these individuals who worked were stones, was definitely traveling around
Speaker 6: the world. These are individuals that had technology and intelligence
Speaker 6: to the point that it seemed extraterrestrial, but it was
Speaker 6: really into terrestrial. These are the people that worked on
Speaker 6: stuff from the beginning of time. If you look at
Speaker 6: today with our structures, look at the houses of today,
Speaker 6: four hundred million dollar houses, and you go on TikTok
Speaker 6: and you watch how they do these inspection on these houses.
Speaker 6: These houses are fucking crazy, built wrong, Like you have
Speaker 6: holes in places that shouldn't be having holes, You have
Speaker 6: wood and nails that's not all the way put into place,
Speaker 6: and stuff like that. But then you go back to
Speaker 6: nineteen nineties and look in nineteen fifties and look at
Speaker 6: the houses that were built back then, and them shits
Speaker 6: ain't breaking down at all, right, And it makes you think,
Speaker 6: are we really losing our technology or are we just
Speaker 6: being cheap and just building shit cheaply? Like what the
Speaker 6: fuck it would cost billions and billions and billions of
Speaker 6: dollars to build the pyramids in Egypt, right now. But
Speaker 6: we know right now with the technology that we have
Speaker 6: that is available to us right now. In Memphis, Tennessee,
Speaker 6: they have a bass Pro Shop that's in the shape
Speaker 6: of a pyramid that's in modern times, which is one
Speaker 6: of the biggest pyramids in the world. Go look up
Speaker 6: the pyramid in Memphis, Tennessee, the Bass Pro Shop. I'm
Speaker 6: a fisherman, so.
Speaker 2: I know a lot about Bass Pro Shop. Right if
Speaker 2: you look at it.
Speaker 6: They have a pyramid in Tennessee that literally is one
Speaker 6: of the biggest pyramids in the world, next to the
Speaker 6: pyramid in the Egypt. But they're using modern period times
Speaker 6: of technology to build that with still beans, bricks.
Speaker 2: And so on and so forth, drywall and all that.
Speaker 6: So my question is, if we was to use all
Speaker 6: these stones, that would cost millions and billions and trillions
Speaker 6: of dollars. But if we use drywall and you know,
Speaker 6: cheap ass plastic, that billions and billions of dollars would
Speaker 6: come down to what maybe one hundred thousand dollars and
Speaker 6: then they go sell that same house to you to
Speaker 6: about five hundred thousand dollars. So I really believe when
Speaker 6: people say, did we lose that technology? Now we ain't
Speaker 6: lose that technology. We just found the cheaper way how
Speaker 6: to do shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd rather. I would rather buy a
Speaker 1: house from the nineteen seventies or eighties than than a
Speaker 1: new home. Personally, if I have the money to kind
Speaker 1: of fix it up, I don't I travel so much.
Speaker 1: Getting the houses would be ridiculous. I mean I did.
Speaker 1: I did that, and it was like my grass was
Speaker 1: perpetually up to my up to ear every time I'd
Speaker 1: come home. It was like, oh my god, I gotta
Speaker 1: like it was just too much upkeep. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: you're you're, you're, you're, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 6: The it just.
Speaker 1: I don't know, we don't it's not it's not it's
Speaker 1: it's not just that either. We also don't create anything
Speaker 1: of beauty anymore. You know, our architecture and design and
Speaker 1: stuff is so soul crushing. It's there isn't any there's
Speaker 1: no soul, bro there's no soul to the shape anymore.
Speaker 6: When you when you look at a house today, you
Speaker 6: can ride through any neighborhood that's been newly constructed and
Speaker 6: see that there's no soul. You go back to the
Speaker 6: nineteen fifties of the subdivisions of those houses, you're going
Speaker 6: to see a whole bunch of soul. You want to
Speaker 6: see a whole bunch of modifications, a whole bunch of
Speaker 6: different ideas and theories.
Speaker 2: And you know that's why I hate HOA.
Speaker 6: I don't live in a told But I can tell
Speaker 6: you when people when you talk about the pyramids, when
Speaker 6: you talk about go back to type. But when you
Speaker 6: talk about the artistic views of what we've seen and
Speaker 6: what we've done, these churches nowadays are put up as one.
Speaker 6: You know, these most of these churches, aren't. They don't
Speaker 6: have a soul to it whereas attracts you to it,
Speaker 6: whether it's just the way it looks. Because you know,
Speaker 6: I'm forty one years old. I was always told, don't
Speaker 6: judge a book by its cover, But that's exactly what
Speaker 6: we do in this world. We judge everything by the
Speaker 6: outside of what we see, right, whether it's color, whether
Speaker 6: it's creed, whether it's the idea of how somebody looks,
Speaker 6: whether they're pretty ugly. It's all subjective.
Speaker 2: But when it comes to our.
Speaker 6: Ideas of representation of religion, spirituality, occultism, and so on
Speaker 6: and so forth, we have symbolism for a reason.
Speaker 2: It attracts people. For instance, I see the tattoos on
Speaker 2: your hands. Nick has the same goddamn tattoos.
Speaker 6: So I understand that both of you guys are understandable
Speaker 6: on the knowledge of our cultism because you represented that
Speaker 6: as your temple.
Speaker 2: Your body is your temple. You take care of your temple. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I noticed it so much, bro, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, I'm so visual with shit. It's crazy.
Speaker 6: I seen the hands, I look at everything, I pay attention.
Speaker 6: I watch the mannerism. Look at y'all beards. Y'all beards
Speaker 6: almost goddamn the same y'all coach people.
Speaker 3: Yah Yah.
Speaker 6: I'm telling you the knowledge that's out there. You don't
Speaker 6: have to read a book to understand something. All you
Speaker 6: got to do is look at somebody and take that
Speaker 6: initial representation of what that person is trying to show you,
Speaker 6: and take that and so and understand what these visual
Speaker 6: understandings of these people from the past. We can't take
Speaker 6: our shoes off today and understand what people thought three
Speaker 6: thousand years ago. All we can look at is their
Speaker 6: symbolism and understand solely what they thought based off that
Speaker 6: they're sold of their symbolism. And I'm not sure if
Speaker 6: that made sense or not, but I think that we
Speaker 6: don't need words to convey our message. We just need
Speaker 6: to understand on a two party system, understanding what we know.
Speaker 8: Do you have places you still want to go, Mike
Speaker 8: that you've never been?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't believe I am so. I still
Speaker 1: haven't been to Greece, which is crazy. Yeah, it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's kind of crazy. It's kind of crazy. I
Speaker 1: haven't been to Grease, right, and then India, India's wild man.
Speaker 1: And then I was.
Speaker 5: If you could do drone work at the Oracle at Delphi,
Speaker 5: that would be amazing because they have this broken temple there.
Speaker 5: That's just you know, it would be awesome on a
Speaker 5: three sixties shot. I just haven't seen that yet.
Speaker 1: I'll give it a shot. I generally ask for forgiveness
Speaker 1: rather than permission. Absolutely worth the drum flying. But you know,
Speaker 1: the other place that I'm trying to get to is
Speaker 1: uh in Russia. There's several sites over there. And I was,
Speaker 1: I had it, I had it, man, I was, I
Speaker 1: had a whole trip book. I was going to Russia,
Speaker 1: and then everything popped off into Ukraine. And they hit it,
Speaker 1: and they hit Russia with all the sanctions, which would
Speaker 1: have made it really hard for me. I didn't have
Speaker 1: any connections at the time to get because basically because
Speaker 1: of the sanctions, I couldn't have used any of my
Speaker 1: cards or anything. I'd had to carry money around with
Speaker 1: me that I for the whole trip, Right, that was
Speaker 1: just that just was crazy. Right, if anything happened to
Speaker 1: my money or I got robbed or anything, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be able to get more money, and I'd just be
Speaker 1: stuck where I'm where I was at, and I was
Speaker 1: going way out in the middle of Siberia, and like,
Speaker 1: so now I have some contacts over there. I'm working
Speaker 1: on that again, and so I'd really like to get
Speaker 1: over there. The good thing that came out of me
Speaker 1: not being able to get over there when all that
Speaker 1: happened was I was looking for another place to visit
Speaker 1: and stumbled across the Sage Wall and that's how I
Speaker 1: ended up going to the Sage Wall. So that was
Speaker 1: four or five years ago. Yeah, that's crazy, that's been
Speaker 1: going on that long.
Speaker 8: So, like in America, you brought up that we need
Speaker 8: to explore more. Obviously we've got tons of like mounds
Speaker 8: and places like you know with the Kohoki and civilization
Speaker 8: and whatnot. But what are some things that stand out
Speaker 8: that you think people should go look at.
Speaker 1: Here's the real issue with exploring America. I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize how much of America is basically off limits.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's federal land.
Speaker 3: Because they know what's That's why I don't want people
Speaker 3: to look at it exactly.
Speaker 1: And so basically it's my theory that if you take
Speaker 1: a map and you go look at all the federally
Speaker 1: protected land that was set aside way back in the
Speaker 1: day years ago, that all that area is where you're
Speaker 1: going to find all the treats. Yeah, any break the
Speaker 1: rules and I would imagine a lot of these places
Speaker 1: are probably being surveilled or something. If there's something out
Speaker 1: there it's hidden, but yeah, that would be you know,
Speaker 1: I've been you know, somebody brought up the Grand Canyon
Speaker 1: and different stuff, and I've wanted to go do that
Speaker 1: for years. Is sneak off over there and that spot
Speaker 1: you know, I've been in the Grand Canyon. I stayed
Speaker 1: down inside of it before. It's massive. Uh, and yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be quite the adventure, right, But yeah, these
Speaker 1: places there's I think that's where you're going to find
Speaker 1: the new discoveries in America is basically on these federal
Speaker 1: land that's been set aside and huge portions of the
Speaker 1: country limits to the public for sure.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, oh I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 5: It's so sad because we see over and over again
Speaker 5: that other worldly objects and places get treated with otherworldly irresponsibility. So,
Speaker 5: you know, like the Anasazi, for instance, like they've just
Speaker 5: been messing with that site out there for so long,
Speaker 5: and so much of the artifacts have been lost because
Speaker 5: of their tinkering and their and their constant refusal to
Speaker 5: actually let the qualified people in, and it's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 5: Like we need better management. And I think the what
Speaker 5: pressure we put on these people, the better management we
Speaker 5: can get.
Speaker 1: I agree with you.
Speaker 2: Hell listen.
Speaker 6: The reason why I say this is because, like I said,
Speaker 6: I visit the Americas to go to different locations museum
Speaker 6: historical parts.
Speaker 2: I have an app on my phone when I'm traveling that.
Speaker 6: Actually brings up historical markers of places that's nearby, So
Speaker 6: I actually have a rumbo count that actually pertains that.
Speaker 6: I just started it maybe a month and a half
Speaker 6: ago where I actually do videos of me visiting different
Speaker 6: museums and different places and stuff like that around the Americas.
Speaker 2: And I can tell you that there's a lot of
Speaker 2: history out here.
Speaker 6: And I just recently, like I said, I have an
Speaker 6: app on my phone that tells me all the historical
Speaker 6: markers in the Americas. And if you look on the
Speaker 6: East Coast, and I'm fortunate to live on the East Coast,
Speaker 6: there is a lot of history on the East Coast,
Speaker 6: especially in Savannah, Georgia. I live in near Savannah, Georgia,
Speaker 6: and I can tell you that there's a lot of
Speaker 6: history from Bigfoot to Cryptids, to pair normal to historical,
Speaker 6: the Native Americans to so much stuff. And I visit
Speaker 6: these places and I was and you know, I was
Speaker 6: always so fascinated. A lot of people are fascinated with Egypt.
Speaker 6: I'm not fascinated with Egypt. I feel like the pyramids
Speaker 6: in Egypt are just a pile of rocks. It doesn't
Speaker 6: take too much knowledge to pull up that. And anybody
Speaker 6: that wants to argue with me, and we can go
Speaker 6: on my channel on arg that I bring the facts
Speaker 6: to the table on that. But when you look at
Speaker 6: plas meso America and the Peru and so on and
Speaker 6: so on, the esthetics of their buildings and their megalithic
Speaker 6: strikes sites are beautiful. Nothing like Egypt.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got the hieroglyphs and all this other stuff.
Speaker 6: You got the triangle. Who can make a triangle, anybody
Speaker 6: can make a triangle. But you have the aesthetics of Mexico,
Speaker 6: in Peru and all these Central American places with these pyramids,
Speaker 6: and it's so beautiful, to the point that they took
Speaker 6: the time to actually vividly share what they felt. Okay,
Speaker 6: like on some of the pyramids where you could see
Speaker 6: the snake going down the stairs during certain times of
Speaker 6: the sun, and so on on and so forth.
Speaker 2: So I feel like there's more.
Speaker 1: That one's not real.
Speaker 2: That's not real.
Speaker 6: Please tell me about it, because I've been seeing so
Speaker 6: many people talk about that. Please give me no I'm
Speaker 6: ignorant on that part. That's one of the reasons why
Speaker 6: I wanted to go there to see that for myself, you.
Speaker 1: Don't get me wrong. So that's Chichen. That's Chichen is amazing.
Speaker 1: I've been there like a handful of times, a bunch
Speaker 1: of times since it's I love it. There, but it's
Speaker 1: I mean, chich is like one of the examples of
Speaker 1: a completely redone site that's been turned into like basically
Speaker 1: a tourist site. You know, you have a restaurant on site,
Speaker 1: it's a full store and shopping area. And you know,
Speaker 1: back in the when they were reconstructing it, the way
Speaker 1: they were rebuilding it, there was like a I think
Speaker 1: he was a lawyer and he noticed the shadow coming
Speaker 1: down from them reconstructing the site. He started talking about
Speaker 1: it and archaeologists apparently at the time or like whatever
Speaker 1: to that, but he wrote a book and he started
Speaker 1: putting a whole bunch of stuff out to tour to
Speaker 1: drum up business basically, and they reconstructed it the way
Speaker 1: it is. I mean, the outside of Chichen Eats is concrete.
Speaker 1: You know, do we know for sure that that was
Speaker 1: built into the design of the pyramid. We don't, which
Speaker 1: is which sucks. And look, look, this is one of
Speaker 1: the things. It's that I was talking about that it
Speaker 1: was so just it's been really hard for me this
Speaker 1: year is seeing the way the sausage is made. You know,
Speaker 1: it's been a rough year for me in terms of
Speaker 1: staying motivated.
Speaker 2: Like you didn't like the intestines used for the sausages.
Speaker 1: He bro It's hard to look at some of that, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it and when you start seeing some of this stuff,
Speaker 1: you feel a little bit discovered. It's almost like it's
Speaker 1: it's almost like you got cheated.
Speaker 3: On or something.
Speaker 1: Your heart drops out of your chest, right or it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, because what happens is all these places that
Speaker 1: I've been to where I've had these amazing experiences, I've
Speaker 1: had to go back in my head and requestion and
Speaker 1: like re examine not just what I was seeing, but
Speaker 1: the whole experience and how it made me feel. It
Speaker 1: was this real, And so now I've got to like
Speaker 1: what I decided I need to do is just go
Speaker 1: back to every place and look at them with fret
Speaker 1: and new eyes.
Speaker 6: You know. Yeah, I have a question another question for you, Georgiosuklos.
Speaker 6: You know who that is from ancient Aliens? This individual
Speaker 6: he said that pum Puko is the place that is
Speaker 6: considered where ancient Aliens actually built that place. What do
Speaker 6: you think about that or have you heard about that?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean ancient Aliens is basically you know, was
Speaker 1: the forerunner for all of this, I mean before people
Speaker 1: were making content on their own and dropping it on YouTube.
Speaker 1: There was ancient aliens. I mean, I think most of
Speaker 1: the people that are doing what I do, we're watching
Speaker 1: ancient aliens at a certain point, right and hearing about
Speaker 1: places that we had no idea even existed. I don't
Speaker 1: personally go down the alien path of like there was
Speaker 1: some kind of help for aliens built sites, or that
Speaker 1: they were helping humans. I think that humans are incredibly
Speaker 1: admittive and resourceful and fully capable of doing and pulling
Speaker 1: off and building the structures that we see around the world,
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, I don't And by the way,
Speaker 1: I just want to say real quick, I don't knock
Speaker 1: the I think that every idea should be explored to
Speaker 1: its fullest. I think we're all just pulled in the
Speaker 1: direction that resonates with us. And for me, what resonates
Speaker 1: with me is what I just shared, and for others
Speaker 1: it's that other way. So for those that want to
Speaker 1: pursue that line of thought, I think it's still important
Speaker 1: and I think it contributes to the overall discussion. But yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that that wouldn't be my my, my like foundational
Speaker 1: you know theory for for sites any.
Speaker 6: Sites all right, you know, And it's interesting because you know,
Speaker 6: I read a lot of books. I actually have the
Speaker 6: Ancient Aliens book, I believe it or not, you know,
Speaker 6: I actually have the book from Kevin Burns. I read
Speaker 6: a lot of books, and it's just interesting that everybody
Speaker 6: has their own theories and so and so on and
Speaker 6: so forth. You know, Jorji Ohsuklow has been to these places,
Speaker 6: just like you've been to these places.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: I always say you can have two people with a PhD.
Speaker 6: That went to the same class, to the same classroom,
Speaker 6: to the same teacher, to the same subject, to the
Speaker 6: goddamn the same curriculum, and have different ideas. When they
Speaker 6: have different ideas, how do you choose which one is
Speaker 6: right over the other when there's two pad representatives that's
Speaker 6: same what they're saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think I think there's a way
Speaker 1: to boil things down to absolute truth. And until you
Speaker 1: get to that point, you're working theories and ideas and
Speaker 1: so kind of like I was just talking about, with
Speaker 1: Ancient Aliens and different stuff and those different different perspectives
Speaker 1: from mine. That's why I feel like all all perspective,
Speaker 1: I think the best thing anybody can do is not
Speaker 1: really compare themselves to somebody else. It's like, just do
Speaker 1: your own work, right, Let that contribute to the conversation,
Speaker 1: and then they and the knowledge. Because generally what I
Speaker 1: found is truth stands on its own. It doesn't need
Speaker 1: to be it's you know, it's it lasts in the fire,
Speaker 1: and everything else kind of burns away. Right.
Speaker 6: So yeah, when you when you share their origins and
Speaker 6: the basics, you can't you can't argue that, you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, what is a god? Where you have
Speaker 6: to define what a god is? What is the civilization?
Speaker 6: You have to define what a civilization is? What is
Speaker 6: advanced technology? You have to define the advanced technology. Anybody
Speaker 6: can take those words that I just took and create
Speaker 6: their own narrative based off their own understanding and their
Speaker 6: own knowledge and what they learn. And that's why I
Speaker 6: think everybody is important when they share their knowledge. Because
Speaker 6: I've been following you a while, I've noticed that you're
Speaker 6: an individual who ask questions, and you're not asking questions
Speaker 6: based off of your belief You're asking questions for clarity.
Speaker 6: And I would like you for you to clarify that
Speaker 6: for me and help me understand this that true. Are
Speaker 6: you trying to ask these questions for clarity or are
Speaker 6: you asking these questions to get a better idea of
Speaker 6: what kind of narratives you're trying to share.
Speaker 1: I don't want to share a narrative and I and
Speaker 1: that's why.
Speaker 6: I respect you and I'm glad you said that up front,
Speaker 6: because you don't share a narrative, you have a narrative.
Speaker 1: Ultimately, what I want to do is inspire people to
Speaker 1: ask their own questions. I want. My hope is that
Speaker 1: my traveling around the world of documenting sites is that
Speaker 1: it will inspire people to ask questions beyond what they've
Speaker 1: learned and what they think they know. Because I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm less concerned with the destination as as
Speaker 1: I am the journey. I don't need an answer like
Speaker 1: some people do. Two everything. There's there's a enjoy in
Speaker 1: my life and the process and in the journey and
Speaker 1: asking questions and learning is growing. But I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to convince anybody of some theory of mine. You know,
Speaker 1: and I don't. I have my thoughts and my beliefs,
Speaker 1: and I'll share them, but I don't I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to push some like narrative or agenda to like like
Speaker 1: I'm right or I know something. I'm just a guy
Speaker 1: traveling around the world, filming sites and sharing it with
Speaker 1: people in the hopes that it gets them excited and
Speaker 1: gets people asking questions themselves, to the point even so
Speaker 1: much so that they start doing their own work and
Speaker 1: asking their own questions and making their own content. I've
Speaker 1: talked to a bunch of people that after we've hung out,
Speaker 1: had started making their own content. I'm so happy for that.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the that the world or any
Speaker 1: of this is a competition, right, not for Everybody's more
Speaker 1: than enough space for everyone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's what I think a lot of this
Speaker 5: new media can do is just spark imaginations, you know,
Speaker 5: because you could actually show you know, the details and
Speaker 5: zoom out and show people the magnificence of these places,
Speaker 5: and all those questions are just going to pop up
Speaker 5: in their heads all on their own.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Like, I'm a veteran too as well, Mike, I see
Speaker 8: me you and Tyrone. I struggled with my transition bad
Speaker 8: and I transitioned twice out of the Marines and then
Speaker 8: out of the Army, too sexual, glutton for punishment. Yeah,
Speaker 8: I like Krans and Nick I.
Speaker 3: Was like, what you going from man to woman?
Speaker 1: Okay, back to So just like your.
Speaker 8: Military background influence how you approach exploration and research or
Speaker 8: is this just like the mission after the mission? Like
Speaker 8: I know that was my big thing with transition. I
Speaker 8: had to find purpose. One of the reason I do.
Speaker 3: This, I am.
Speaker 1: The military is interesting because it it takes aimless, purposeless
Speaker 1: people and it gives you a reason. It gives you
Speaker 1: a purpose, right, Yeah, and everything's very simple and very clear.
Speaker 1: Show up on time, have your ship, be ready to go,
Speaker 1: and it's depending on what you're doing. Right. I was
Speaker 1: in the infantry, so it was real easy.
Speaker 11: It was, you know, so.
Speaker 1: When I got out, I didn't I didn't have I
Speaker 1: didn't have a I couldn't get a job anywhere. I
Speaker 1: live in Austin, Texas. It's a very liberal city, so
Speaker 1: nobody gave a ship that I served my country. I
Speaker 1: went up to East Texas, visited some family up there,
Speaker 1: and I thought I'd try to get a you know,
Speaker 1: just see every place that I went in. And as
Speaker 1: soon as I mentioned I was a veteran, They're like,
Speaker 1: when can you start, So it's like it's really hard
Speaker 1: to transition from that into regular life. Where I was at,
Speaker 1: you know, I was waking up every day still at
Speaker 1: like four or thirty am or five am, and just
Speaker 1: sitting there. I didn't know what to do, and but
Speaker 1: I didn't. But I also never The military was very
Speaker 1: it was very key for me. I came from like
Speaker 1: a broken home and a bad childhood and blah blah blah. Right,
Speaker 1: like I had no discipline. I was, you know, troublemaker,
Speaker 1: getting in trouble right, and and it gave me a
Speaker 1: lot of things that I needed, like a sense of
Speaker 1: responsibility and accountability and all sorts of stuff right that
Speaker 1: I was really lacking and I needed when I got up.
Speaker 1: But when I got out, I never defined myself as
Speaker 1: like the military was who I was. So and I
Speaker 1: still didn't have a purpose for a long time until
Speaker 1: I started doing what I was doing. So it was
Speaker 1: another you know, twelve to fifteen years almost of just
Speaker 1: wandering aimlessly and working jobs that I didn't like and
Speaker 1: getting fucked up because I was just I didn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with my life, right, and just having
Speaker 1: not just being aimless and purposeless. So but having a
Speaker 1: purpose and having goals is so important. And even when
Speaker 1: you get into doing stuff like this, if you're going
Speaker 1: to do work or if you're going to do you know,
Speaker 1: like research into things, it's good to have a goal
Speaker 1: or set yourself up an objective for that type of stuff,
Speaker 1: whether you know, the type of content that you're ingesting,
Speaker 1: the type of type of books that you're reading, what
Speaker 1: you're watching and engage you with on social media. You know,
Speaker 1: these are things that shape that. These daily decisions are
Speaker 1: all little things that shape who you are, you know,
Speaker 1: and it really is. If you guys ever played like,
Speaker 1: uh RPGs games or anything that's been since.
Speaker 2: Man I still played the PS five PC, the.
Speaker 1: World is literally that. Yeah, your own character. You just
Speaker 1: have to put time and energy into the things that
Speaker 1: you want to be good at, just like you have
Speaker 1: to do on a on an RPG game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, it's so funny you said that, because
Speaker 6: now they have where you can take your phone and
Speaker 6: take a picture or scan of your face and you
Speaker 6: can literally be implemented in the video game. You can
Speaker 6: see your face. I have NBA two K set two
Speaker 6: K six right now.
Speaker 2: NBA two kis my computer.
Speaker 6: I am able to get on that game, and you
Speaker 6: will see my face on that game because they have
Speaker 6: gotten you.
Speaker 2: That you can strang. You can scan your whole fucking face. Bro,
Speaker 2: I went outside the game came out.
Speaker 6: I went outside in my front yard where it's nice
Speaker 6: and bright, and I scanned my whole face and literally
Speaker 6: and I and I actually in the next few weeks,
Speaker 6: when I build my character up, I'm gonna start streaming
Speaker 6: me playing NBA two K six on on here and
Speaker 6: sharing ancient knowledge at the same time, because it's gotten
Speaker 6: to the point when when can we.
Speaker 2: Decide what is reality and what is virtual reality?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Have you have you guys ever looked at the individuals
Speaker 6: that play games in twenty twenty five? There are people
Speaker 6: right now who are quadro pllegiate, And I hope I
Speaker 6: said that word correctly, which they can't use their arms
Speaker 6: and their legs, but they.
Speaker 9: Have a modified.
Speaker 6: Controller that you can use on your mouth play your
Speaker 6: fucking video game.
Speaker 2: You know, I've seen people play Call of Duty Battle Hill.
Speaker 3: Do you think seven Hawking was doing, man, Bro, He
Speaker 3: probably built the ship ye using his eyes.
Speaker 4: Michael, real quick, before we wrap it up, would you
Speaker 4: like to remind everybody where your next event is going
Speaker 4: to be at.
Speaker 1: Please absolutely yeah, Scott Still, We're having a big event
Speaker 1: conference in scott Stille December fifth through the seventh. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be awesome. I'll be there speaking our headliners.
Speaker 1: We've got a j from the WI Files, Jimmy Corsetti
Speaker 1: from Bright Inside, David Hatchrick, Childress, everybody knows from Ancient Aliens,
Speaker 1: Gary buchler nerd Ronicky you Newman. It's going to be there.
Speaker 1: These everybody speaking. These are all our speakers. So and
Speaker 1: and the list goes on. It's going to be a
Speaker 1: big event, big venue. You can get your tickets now,
Speaker 1: I was just saying earlier. You can get tickets for
Speaker 1: these are limited. There's a limited amount of seats for
Speaker 1: two hundred and fifty bucks for all three days, and
Speaker 1: so you can get those. It's a killer smoking deal
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty bucks for three day conference with all
Speaker 1: of these speakers. And we're doing it a little different too.
Speaker 1: If you can't make it to the event, you can
Speaker 1: get the live stream for one hundred bucks. And most
Speaker 1: events have always done it to where it's like they're
Speaker 1: filming the speakers and then there's dead air and then
Speaker 1: the next speaker, right, but the whole Forbidden Frontier crew
Speaker 1: is going to be manning the live stream, so in
Speaker 1: between speakers, we'll be doing many interviews YouTubers and channels,
Speaker 1: and so it's going to run more like like watching
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals or the Olympics or something. There's always
Speaker 1: going to be something going on on screen for the
Speaker 1: live stream. So you can watch that at home for
Speaker 1: a hundred buck. So you can come in person and
Speaker 1: hang out with everybody for two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 1: It's a great deal.
Speaker 3: That's awesome nice.
Speaker 4: Definitely definitely check that out and I'll include a link
Speaker 4: for that if the resume whatever for that, I'll include
Speaker 4: that in the show notes as well. Is there anything
Speaker 4: else on your own for your own work that you
Speaker 4: want to remind people of your YouTube or anything, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Go to Wondering Wolf Productions dot com. I've got a
Speaker 1: book dropping in like a month or two before the
Speaker 1: end of the year, and then I'll be my Egypt
Speaker 1: tours next month. It's sold out, but I'll be launching
Speaker 1: another tour probably in the next week or so to
Speaker 1: Japan that's going to be sick, So we're hitting all
Speaker 1: the megalithic sites in Japan, and then our nightlife is
Speaker 1: going to be crazy awesome in Osaka and Tokyo and
Speaker 1: places like that. It's going to be an awesome trip.
Speaker 1: And it's priced. I was really really focused on getting
Speaker 1: this to be a reasonable price for a Japan tour.
Speaker 1: It's under for it for full week in Japan, hitting
Speaker 1: all these megalithic sites and more so you'll have some
Speaker 1: cultural experiences and all sorts of stuff like that too.
Speaker 1: But I'll be dropping that. I fact, I think it's
Speaker 1: actually live. You can buy those tickets. I just haven't
Speaker 1: put it on my website yet, but it's actually live.
Speaker 1: But we're building post pre pre tour post tour add
Speaker 1: ons too, for things like like a spa weekend after
Speaker 1: and like a comic book manga themed add on to
Speaker 1: for three days and stuff. The people will be like
Speaker 1: because I'm doing it with Nerdrotics and so their crowd
Speaker 1: is super we super love all that. But that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a good one. Yeah, I should get that up
Speaker 1: on my website immediately.
Speaker 4: Actually, great stuff, man, all right, I'll definitely include all
Speaker 4: that stuff in the bottom. Yeah, and thank you everybody
Speaker 4: in the chat, that's what's up. There was a lot
Speaker 4: of people here from the beginning to the end, a
Speaker 4: lot of Unfortunately, there was questions in there I was
Speaker 4: gonna ask and totally forgot my apologies, but I.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you all.
Speaker 4: And that is the end of another recult Rejects and
Speaker 4: until the next one, everybody be well later