1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Peequnana Show, 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,040 returning it's. 3 00:00:06,879 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 2: Aaron, thanks for having me again. 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,199 Speaker 1: Man oh I saw this one. This was actually recommended 5 00:00:13,279 --> 00:00:17,600 by a listener, and when I saw it, I was like, 6 00:00:17,839 --> 00:00:20,640 that's just I have to have Aaron to talk about 7 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:26,600 this one. Because the subject matter, the who it actually 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,359 focuses on. I'm like, oh, we can have fun with this. 9 00:00:29,559 --> 00:00:32,640 And since I don't put anything on YouTube anymore, I 10 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:33,960 don't care what anyone says. 11 00:00:34,439 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, you're free. 12 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:41,799 Speaker 1: Yeah. So I sent you this. It's I think it's 13 00:00:41,799 --> 00:00:44,679 only let me see, yeah, it's seventeen hundred words. Eighteen 14 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:47,960 hundred words. When you were what was your impression? 15 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 2: So I'm going to this fresh? 16 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,759 Speaker 1: Okay fresh? You just looked at you just looked it 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,240 over and you saw that there was somebody. 18 00:00:56,359 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: I looked at the title and I said yes, and 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,560 then I saw a bunch of J words in there. 20 00:01:01,119 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 1: I was like, all right, all right, let's share this 21 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:11,840 and stop me anytime. All right, all right, people get 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:14,079 to see my word account. That's great, see that I 23 00:01:14,079 --> 00:01:18,879 have a word account. All right. This is from well, 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,319 let me start it off this way. This is from 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,599 a bunch of essays by Samuel T. Francis, and it's 26 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,560 called Essential Writings on Race and it is edited by 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:34,760 Jared Taylor. 28 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 2: I like it. 29 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, so this one was. And you can find 30 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,560 the PDF for this. And there are some really good, 31 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:47,079 really good articles in here. Some of them are as 32 00:01:47,079 --> 00:01:49,280 short as us when some of them are, you know, 33 00:01:49,359 --> 00:01:57,040 more almost like research paperline. So yeah, let's go The 34 00:01:57,079 --> 00:02:00,599 Origins of Racism The Curious Beginnings of a useless word. 35 00:02:01,599 --> 00:02:04,480 The Oxford English Dictionary is a multi volume reference work 36 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:08,159 that is one of Western scholarship's most remarkable achievements. The 37 00:02:08,159 --> 00:02:11,039 standard dictionary of the English Language on what are known 38 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:17,759 as historical principles. Unlike most dictionaries, the OED also provides 39 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,800 information on the first historical appearance and usage of words. 40 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:27,919 The range of the erudition in the OED is often astounding, 41 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,520 but for American Renaissance readers, one of its most interesting 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:37,199 entries is for the word racism, according to the secondition, Yeah. 43 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:43,479 Speaker 2: Renaissance listener, Yes, love me some uncle, Jared. 44 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,479 Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't get to the conference this year. 45 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:49,000 It's just like it was to last minute, as I 46 00:02:49,039 --> 00:02:52,919 had I had an interview schedule that I was like. 47 00:02:54,439 --> 00:02:55,800 Speaker 2: Just a funny fucking dude. 48 00:02:56,199 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's only five hour it was only five hours 49 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,439 north of me too. It's or nor tribe. I could one, 50 00:03:02,719 --> 00:03:07,960 all right, and Jared is hilarious. According to the second 51 00:03:08,039 --> 00:03:11,000 edition nineteen eighty nine of the OED, the earliest known 52 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:13,840 appearance of the word racism in English occurred in a 53 00:03:13,879 --> 00:03:18,120 nineteen thirty six book by the American fascist quote unquote, 54 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:23,080 Lawrence Dennis, Becoming American Fascism. The second appearance of the 55 00:03:23,159 --> 00:03:25,479 term in English that the OED records is in the 56 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,800 title of a book originally written in German in nineteen 57 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:33,080 thirty three and nineteen thirty four, but translated into English 58 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,560 and first published in nineteen thirty eight, Racism by Magnus Hirschfeld, 59 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:42,199 translated by Eden and Cedar. 60 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,719 Speaker 2: Paul's Ding Ding. 61 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and remember the names Eden, and remember the 62 00:03:48,919 --> 00:03:51,800 name is Paul's, because you're going to have references back 63 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,159 to the Palls and it can be. When I was 64 00:03:54,199 --> 00:03:56,039 reading this the first time, I was like, Paul's with hell, Like, 65 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,919 oh yeah, those people. 66 00:03:57,879 --> 00:04:02,759 Speaker 2: That's fascinating that the word racism first appeared in America 67 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,919 in the early nineteen thirties, and it makes it makes 68 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,080 perfect sense because around that time, you know, the height 69 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:17,759 of the depression, race was kind of supplanting ethnicity in 70 00:04:17,879 --> 00:04:22,040 terms of you know, I should preface it with this. 71 00:04:22,079 --> 00:04:25,959 I've always looked at racism as in kind of the 72 00:04:26,079 --> 00:04:29,560 inverted Marxist Leninist view that racism happens when you have 73 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:34,680 a complex class system in whatever stage of development your 74 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:39,319 society's in. And right now we have such a complex 75 00:04:39,439 --> 00:04:45,839 class system in twenty twenty three that racism, there's ethnicity. 76 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:50,319 Ethnicities have blended to the point where racism is kind 77 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:58,480 of the the upper the upper category of ethnicity. It's 78 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:07,800 it's easily seen, it's measurable. It's ethnic division. Wouldn't be uh, 79 00:05:09,319 --> 00:05:12,199 wouldn't be appropriate in America in twenty twenty three, So 80 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,480 it has to be a race. But anyways, in nineteen 81 00:05:14,519 --> 00:05:17,120 thirty six, that was all that was becoming the case 82 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,879 as the second major wave of immigration was kind of 83 00:05:21,959 --> 00:05:27,079 waning down, and you know, you had the Depression and 84 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,639 then going into World War two, and after World War Two, 85 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,439 I mean, you had the growth of the suburbs, you 86 00:05:32,519 --> 00:05:34,920 had the destruction of the Catholic Church as a center 87 00:05:34,959 --> 00:05:38,720 of power, so ethnic divisions kind of went away and 88 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:42,319 race supplanted it because the people in power need to 89 00:05:42,319 --> 00:05:43,360 divide people somehow. 90 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: There was also the rise of the right wing in 91 00:05:49,199 --> 00:05:53,839 Europe that scared a lot of people in the United States. 92 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,759 There's a book, I think it's called Hitler in Hollywood 93 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,160 where in the it details the nineteen thirties how there 94 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,480 was this war against fascism, that they were scared that 95 00:06:05,879 --> 00:06:09,879 fascism was going to take over Hollywood. Very interesting book. 96 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,800 They actually do some show some polls in there from 97 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:19,519 the nineteen thirties, which I know that the ADL basically 98 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,839 wanted this book written. Maybe they shouldn't have shared the 99 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,959 fact that like eighty percent of Americans had a very 100 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:31,680 strong distrust of Jews in the nineteen thirties. Yeah, you 101 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,920 know so. But also, I mean, you already had this 102 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:41,680 hatred of obviously, you know, the mustache man, a hatred 103 00:06:41,759 --> 00:06:47,800 of Franco obviously, and any right wing leader in Spain. 104 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:53,399 People were already talking about Oswald Mosley is already on 105 00:06:53,480 --> 00:07:02,240 Time magazine as England's Hitler. So yeah, they it's not 106 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:05,959 a stretch to figure out, you know, who, who's behind 107 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,079 the term racism and where it came from all right. 108 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,800 Since Hirschfeld died in nineteen thirty five before the publication 109 00:07:15,879 --> 00:07:19,079 of Dennis's book the following year, and had already used 110 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,079 the word extensively in the text and title of his 111 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:24,040 own book, it seems only fair to recognize him rather 112 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,120 than Dennis, as the originator of the word racism. In 113 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,240 the case of the word racist as an adjective, the 114 00:07:31,279 --> 00:07:36,279 oed ascribes the first known appearance to Hirschfeld himself. Who 115 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:39,480 was Magnus Hirschfeld and what did he have to tell 116 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:46,279 us about racism? Excuse me? Magnus Herschfeld eighteen sixty eight 117 00:07:46,279 --> 00:07:50,079 to nineteen thirty five was a German Jewish medical scientist 118 00:07:50,399 --> 00:07:53,439 whose major work was in the field of what came 119 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:59,920 to be known as sect sexology, the scientific study of sex. 120 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,240 Like Haillac Elis Ellis in England and Alfred Kinsey in 121 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,079 the United States, Herschfeld was not only among the first 122 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:12,279 to collect systematic, systematic information about sexuality, but was also 123 00:08:12,399 --> 00:08:14,720 an apostle of sexual liberation. 124 00:08:15,800 --> 00:08:19,079 Speaker 2: I wonder if I wonder how many books went on 125 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,439 the went on the burning pile in the thirties. 126 00:08:22,279 --> 00:08:26,879 Speaker 1: Well, I know that there were some youth in Europe 127 00:08:26,920 --> 00:08:31,920 who took care of his took care of his books 128 00:08:31,959 --> 00:08:36,919 and his quote unquote research. Then it was lost to history. 129 00:08:37,399 --> 00:08:42,519 Speaker 2: What was that the Berlin Institute of what was it sexology? 130 00:08:42,639 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, Berlin Institute of Sexology? Yeah, yeah, which was a 131 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:53,600 transgender clinic, a sex a sex school, a gay brothel. 132 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:55,639 It was a lot of different things. 133 00:08:55,879 --> 00:08:59,399 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The old trope on Twitter like, did you 134 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:01,799 ever look at the books that the Nazis burned? 135 00:09:04,279 --> 00:09:08,399 Speaker 1: Yep? All right. His major work was a study of homosexuality, 136 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:12,120 but he also published many other books, monographs, and articles 137 00:09:12,159 --> 00:09:16,600 dealing with sex. He wrote a five volume treatise on sexology, 138 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,879 as well as some one hundred and fifty other works, 139 00:09:18,919 --> 00:09:22,279 and helped write and produce five films on the subject. 140 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:27,240 Wonder if those are on YouTube. It is fair to 141 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:30,720 say that his works were intended to send a message 142 00:09:31,279 --> 00:09:36,679 that traditional Christian and bourgeois sexual morality was repressive, irrational, 143 00:09:36,799 --> 00:09:41,159 and hypocritical, and that emancipation would be a major step forward. 144 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: We're still making those steps today. 145 00:09:46,039 --> 00:09:52,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, well hopefully in basically, I mean, obviously all of 146 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,039 his work was not burned, but hopefully enough of enough 147 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,919 of it was burned to kick the can down the road. Unfortunately, 148 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:00,840 we're down the ro right now. 149 00:10:00,799 --> 00:10:05,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, we are. It's whatever work was lost to history, 150 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:10,120 it's it's been filled back in and proliferated a million 151 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:13,279 times over. Now you've now it's you know, once again, 152 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:15,279 just a budget item. 153 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Someone has said once that if a lot 154 00:10:19,919 --> 00:10:22,519 of his work had not been destroyed, there'd have been 155 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,840 trans kids in the sixties dealing We're dealing with that 156 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:30,200 epidemic the way we're dealing with it now, all right. 157 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,679 His admiring translators Eden and Cedar Paul in their introductions 158 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:40,799 to racism, right of his unwearying championship of the cause 159 00:10:40,919 --> 00:10:47,000 of persons who, because their sexual hor hormonic functioning is 160 00:10:47,039 --> 00:10:51,039 of an unusual type, are persecuted by their more fortunate 161 00:10:51,399 --> 00:10:59,360 fellow mortals. Huh so we're more fortunate? Why what's yeah? Yeah, 162 00:10:59,399 --> 00:11:03,519 look at that. That word's kind of pregnant right there. 163 00:11:08,759 --> 00:11:09,799 Speaker 2: I can't say that now. 164 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: Long before the sexual Revolution of the nineteen sixties, Magnus 165 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,240 Hirschfeld was crusading for the normalization of homosexuality and other 166 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,840 abnormal sexual behavior. Herscheld was the founder of the Institute 167 00:11:24,879 --> 00:11:28,759 for Sexual Science in Berlin and helped organize sexology quote 168 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:33,320 unquote on an international scale. In nineteen twenty two, he 169 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,519 was physically attacked and almost killed by anti Semites in 170 00:11:36,639 --> 00:11:41,519 Munich in May nineteen thirty three. It's going to be 171 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:46,600 very interesting. There's another part here. When you're saying he 172 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:50,360 was attacked by anti Semites, there's a part coming up 173 00:11:50,399 --> 00:11:55,480 that's rather interesting. In May nineteen thirty three, the Nazis 174 00:11:55,519 --> 00:11:58,639 closed down his Institute of Sexual Science, and Hirschfeld fled 175 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,600 to France, where he lived until his death in nineteen 176 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:07,879 thirty five. Racism the book is largely devoted to a 177 00:12:07,960 --> 00:12:12,080 highly polemical refutation of some of the main racial ideologies 178 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:16,919 and theories of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries. The writers 179 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:20,879 whom Hirschfeld criticized, aside from his favorite target of the 180 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:26,200 National Socialists themselves or figures such as Arthur Goebin, Gobbino, 181 00:12:28,279 --> 00:12:32,720 Vacher de la pouge I, practiced these words too. These 182 00:12:32,799 --> 00:12:37,320 names to Houston, Stewart, Chamberlain, and others generally denounced today 183 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:44,840 as pseudoscientists. In fact, that is an inappropriate term. Some 184 00:12:44,919 --> 00:12:47,519 of them were not trying to write as scientists at all, 185 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,159 but rather as political theorists, while others are better described 186 00:12:51,159 --> 00:12:55,480 as pre scientific writers on race who worked with inadequate 187 00:12:55,519 --> 00:13:02,919 information concepts, methodology, and terminologyalking about physiognomy. I think that's 188 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:03,360 one of them. 189 00:13:03,519 --> 00:13:03,759 Speaker 2: Yeah. 190 00:13:05,399 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: Well, while Hirschfeld may have been correct in rejecting their 191 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:13,279 more egregious errors, his sneering at them for these mistakes 192 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:17,440 is rather like ridiculing Copernicus and Kepler because they continue 193 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:21,080 to accept some erroneous ideas from medieval astronomy. 194 00:13:22,159 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's something to it, like you know, 195 00:13:25,039 --> 00:13:27,240 we we see the we see the memes with the 196 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:31,799 calipers measuring the face and like the you know, fizz 197 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:38,879 fizz check. But you know, race, race can be boiled 198 00:13:38,919 --> 00:13:42,679 down to a science there. It's it's a product of biology. 199 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:47,159 And they just they just didn't quite connect those dots 200 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,080 before they were told that they weren't allowed to do anymore. 201 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, living on. Even when Hirschfeld is right in 202 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:59,480 his critique of the early race theorists, it is often 203 00:13:59,519 --> 00:14:05,440 because he has chosen easy targets. His refutation of racism 204 00:14:06,039 --> 00:14:10,720 is largely centered on irrelevant commonplaces that even extreme exponent 205 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:15,799 exponents of racial differences might readily acknowledge that all human 206 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:18,639 beings are part of the same speries a species and 207 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:23,159 can interbreed, that blood transfusions can take place between races, 208 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:26,080 that there is no such thing as a pure race, 209 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:29,320 that the races are identical in the vast majority of 210 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:36,840 physical characteristics, that cephic cephalic index is not a meaningful 211 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:45,559 measure of intelligence or character calipers. Yet his scientific evidence 212 00:14:45,639 --> 00:14:50,240 is often merely anecdotal or simply his own opinion, asserted 213 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:52,159 as unquestioned truth. 214 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: Well, you don't want to be an anti Semite. 215 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, and I mean this is today, I mean, 216 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:03,759 this is like they just this is science today for 217 00:15:03,799 --> 00:15:07,720 the most part. I mean, yeah, at least public science. 218 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:14,000 You know, when you have a state representative, you know, 219 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,000 a fauci or somebody, and you start really listening to 220 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:19,960 what they're talking about. And then you go to somebody 221 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,320 else who's an expert who doesn't work for the state. 222 00:15:22,759 --> 00:15:27,720 You usually hear that, well, this person working for the 223 00:15:27,759 --> 00:15:33,200 government is dealing in gibberish basically yep. 224 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 2: And then you get into the game of okay, source 225 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,080 or what are your qualificating? Oh, where did you go 226 00:15:40,159 --> 00:15:44,360 to college or what AI program are you using? 227 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,559 Speaker 1: I love, I still love using source on people because 228 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:51,840 then they come back at you and they make fun 229 00:15:51,879 --> 00:15:54,080 of you for it, like you don't know that you're 230 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:58,039 actually just doing it because you know that they're going 231 00:15:58,080 --> 00:15:59,440 to do that, that they're going to act like a 232 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,440 freaking wit and come back at you like that. 233 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:04,279 Speaker 2: I've lost interest three threads ago. 234 00:16:04,919 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah. In another section, he recounts the names of those 235 00:16:11,159 --> 00:16:14,639 he considers the seventy most outstanding figures in world history 236 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:19,279 and announces that quote, all such lists, when made without bias, 237 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,240 will show that the persons of genius and persons of 238 00:16:22,279 --> 00:16:26,559 outstanding talent talent are not set apart from the rock 239 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,879 by any color of their eyes, by a peculiar shape 240 00:16:30,919 --> 00:16:37,000 of the skull or the nose, by any ethnologic characteristics whatsoever. 241 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:43,200 What is decisive in human beings is not race, but individuality. 242 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:49,720 He's a libertarian, Yeah, yep, and I have no problem 243 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:50,799 calling him a libertarian. 244 00:16:53,039 --> 00:16:56,559 Speaker 2: Yeah no, don't be deceived by your lying eyes. 245 00:16:57,159 --> 00:16:58,399 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 246 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 2: There's literally no difference between a Sub Saharan African and 247 00:17:01,879 --> 00:17:02,399 a Swede. 248 00:17:03,159 --> 00:17:06,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, nothing at all. Look at how they blended 249 00:17:06,839 --> 00:17:10,880 so easily into Sweden, and Sweden just went on their 250 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:11,440 merry way. 251 00:17:12,039 --> 00:17:13,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're trying to. 252 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,279 Speaker 1: And there are not fifty two street gangs buying for 253 00:17:18,319 --> 00:17:21,200 the drug trade in Stockholm right now. That's a figment 254 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,200 of your imagination. 255 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're they're not electing far right candidates and droves. 256 00:17:30,839 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: I think they had sixty three murders last year, and 257 00:17:34,039 --> 00:17:36,039 like ten years ago it was like two or three. 258 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,400 I mean it was like, it's just insane, and two 259 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:42,839 or three is probably wrong. Anyone can I'll look it 260 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:44,359 up after this. If you want to put it in 261 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,519 the comments, go ahead. I don't care, all right now 262 00:17:47,519 --> 00:17:49,839 that I don't care, Just got do it. I don't know. 263 00:17:50,319 --> 00:17:54,279 It's not going to bother course. Yeah, it does not 264 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,880 seem to occur to Hirschfeld that all but about eight 265 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,799 or nine of the seventy world historical figures on his 266 00:18:00,319 --> 00:18:04,599 are white Europeans. There are no Negroes and only two Asians, 267 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:13,000 Confucius and Sun Yacht Sin. It is, it's it's like 268 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:18,279 they just they're clueless. They're I don't even know how 269 00:18:18,279 --> 00:18:21,279 they operate like that. How do you not see patterns? 270 00:18:22,039 --> 00:18:23,559 How do you just ignore patterns? 271 00:18:24,039 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: Well, you just call the patterns that you're looking for 272 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,680 irrelevant or pseudoscience. I mean, I already see IQ studies 273 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,240 mentioned in the next paragraph, and that's that's their defense 274 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,319 is you know, you're you're not testing it the right way. 275 00:18:37,599 --> 00:18:40,880 IQ tests are cultural. They don't measure anything. Man. 276 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,400 Speaker 1: It is interesting that, for all of all his contempt 277 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,880 for racism, Hirschfeld never once mentions IQ studies or the 278 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:54,480 considerable psychometric evidence about race and intelligence that was already 279 00:18:54,559 --> 00:19:00,160 available even in the nineteen thirties. Most of Hirschfeld's lem 280 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:08,359 is aimed at the proponents of intra European racial differences Nordics, Alpines, Mediterraneans, Dinarics, 281 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,519 et cetera, and not at any not at differences between 282 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:16,920 whites and other major races, though he steadfastly denies such 283 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:18,079 differences as well. 284 00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:24,079 Speaker 2: This was I mean right in the in the middle 285 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:30,119 of the beginning of I guess any type of nineteen 286 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,960 thirty six is still the year. 287 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,559 Speaker 1: Right, Well, I mean he died in thirty five, so 288 00:19:34,599 --> 00:19:36,480 he's operating before thirty five. 289 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,279 Speaker 2: All right, So yeah, I could see that there wasn't 290 00:19:40,319 --> 00:19:42,960 really any I could be wrong, but I don't think 291 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:47,839 there was any like white consciousness, white racial consciousness in Europe. 292 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,640 It was still pretty pretty ethnically defined, right, and. 293 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, it would have been. I mean, Germans 294 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,480 called themselves Prussians, they didn't call themselves white. 295 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,799 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Like so I can't knock him on that, 296 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,400 but certainly in twenty twenty three we still have that 297 00:20:05,559 --> 00:20:09,559 going on, where you know, it's all about race, but 298 00:20:10,279 --> 00:20:12,359 now there's no such thing as white. 299 00:20:13,279 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: Curiously, he never cites the work of Frank Boaz and 300 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,920 his disciples against racism, though that work was available in 301 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,720 Europe at the time, Nor does he invoke the ideas 302 00:20:23,759 --> 00:20:27,519 of the Frankfurt School, though Hirschfeld's own claim that racism 303 00:20:27,599 --> 00:20:31,039 is rooted in fear, loss of self esteem, and other 304 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:35,640 social and psychological pathologies resembles the ideas that the Frankfurt 305 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,759 School was formulating. Here we go, Nor despite Hirschfeld's own 306 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:45,079 Jewish background and the Nazi threat to Jews, does he 307 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,759 seem preoccupied with anti Semitism. In one or two passages, 308 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:54,240 he criticizes Jews themselves for their own ethnocentrism and fault 309 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,400 Zionism for having created a new race hatred between Jews 310 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:06,680 and Arabs. Hmm wow, yeah, yeah, So saying that he 311 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,160 was attacked in nineteen twenty two by anti Semites. Depending 312 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:16,119 on when he's writing this, either this could that could 313 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,119 be informing this, or. 314 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 2: Maybe anti Semitism wasn't the major motivation for him being attacked. 315 00:21:24,079 --> 00:21:25,880 Is that what you're saying? It? 316 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: Could? 317 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:26,319 Speaker 2: You know? 318 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:33,279 Speaker 1: It could be a good old whether they called f bash. Yeah, yeah, 319 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:40,319 not good old. When I say good old, please stop people. Moreover, 320 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:44,039 Herschfeld is a stout defender of eugenics, though not on 321 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,720 racial lines, and he even had a brief chapter exploring 322 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:52,920 a distinction he calls Goblinism or Galzanism. The first time 323 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:55,480 I read that, I said, I read Goblinism, and I 324 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,240 just I lost my shit. It's just I couldn't so so. 325 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,400 And he even has a brief chapter exploring a distinction 326 00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:07,839 he calls Gobbinism or Galtonism. That is attacking the ideas 327 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,640 of French racist quote unquote Arthur de Gobino and defending 328 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,799 those of Francis Galton, who coined the word eugenics and 329 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:22,000 pioneered its development. Today, most critics of racism would love 330 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:28,880 Galton and Gobino together rather than distinguished between them. That's 331 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:34,079 in true, Yeah, that's uh. It just goes to show 332 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:42,920 you how just the line the lines just get bolder. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 333 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:45,960 As a serious critique of the view that socially significant 334 00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:50,519 natural differences between the races exists, Herschfeld's book is a failure, 335 00:22:50,839 --> 00:22:53,079 and even as a polemic against some of the more 336 00:22:53,079 --> 00:22:56,559 politicized and unverified claims about race made a century or 337 00:22:56,559 --> 00:23:01,160 more ago, it is weak. The importance of the book 338 00:23:01,279 --> 00:23:04,319 is not so much its content, however, as what it 339 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,279 tells us about the word racism and how the enemies 340 00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:11,960 of white racial consciousness have developed and deployed it for 341 00:23:12,039 --> 00:23:17,160 their own purposes. So I guess here we go. 342 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:23,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, this was Yeah, I guess this was the first shot, 343 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:30,079 first shot fired in uh and the war on white identitarianism. Yeah, 344 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:30,920 that's interesting. 345 00:23:32,839 --> 00:23:39,039 Speaker 1: Hirschfeld describes his own political ideals as pan humanism, a 346 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:45,200 version of political, cultural, and racial universalism, libertarianism. 347 00:23:46,839 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 2: That's that's libertarianism. 348 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:55,079 Speaker 1: Ye it is. And I'll remind the editors or the 349 00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,079 translators of the book, or the palls, So he says, 350 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,400 the Palls them selves, right, we think that the readers 351 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,720 of Racism will detect the very definite orientation to the left, 352 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:16,880 You think, Hirschfeld, and continuing with the Paul's words, Hirschfeld 353 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,519 was one who fully realized that sexual reform quote is 354 00:24:21,599 --> 00:24:28,160 impossible without a preliminary economic and political revolution. You want 355 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,440 to you want to go now. 356 00:24:32,559 --> 00:24:36,799 Speaker 2: This is you know, in in the in the esteem 357 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,759 tradition of Marxist Leninism, which was big at the time. 358 00:24:42,279 --> 00:24:45,319 This was just seems like just an offshoot of that. 359 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:47,799 You know, first you have you have to get the 360 00:24:47,799 --> 00:24:50,039 conditions right, and then all of a sudden you don't 361 00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:53,400 have to make choices anymore. Every choice is viable, and 362 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:55,880 you know, you just have to get rid of those 363 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:57,000 material constraints. 364 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,519 Speaker 1: This is why I asked you on to about this. 365 00:25:01,559 --> 00:25:04,160 I read this page and I'm like, oh, I need Aaron. 366 00:25:07,039 --> 00:25:10,920 In racism, Herschfeld offers what is essentially a definition of 367 00:25:11,039 --> 00:25:19,039 pan humanism. Quote. The individual, however close the ties of neighborhood, companionship, family, 368 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,200 a common lot, language, education, and the environment of nation 369 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,880 and country, can find only one dependable unity with it 370 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,680 within which to seek a permanent spiritual kinship, that of 371 00:25:32,839 --> 00:25:37,440 humanity at large, that of the whole human race. 372 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 2: Yep, that's universalism, and it's completely insane. 373 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: That's I mean, this is Trotsky. I mean invoking Trotsky here, 374 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:48,759 I mean. 375 00:25:48,839 --> 00:25:53,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, this is this is just a liberal 376 00:25:53,920 --> 00:26:01,319 offshoot of Marxism. It's it's it's kind of I'm very 377 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:06,039 interested to see where this goes, because so far, so good. 378 00:26:07,759 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: With one exception, he is unsparing in his denunciations of 379 00:26:11,519 --> 00:26:18,359 the ethnocentric loyalties of nations, races, and cultures quote always 380 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:31,039 and everywhere except in Soviet Russia. Xenophobia, xenophobia, xenophobia. Oh man, 381 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:35,920 just wait twenty wait, let's say how many years. See 382 00:26:36,039 --> 00:26:37,799 if he's writing this in nineteen thirty, he only has 383 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960 to wait, what's seventeen years, eighteen years? 384 00:26:41,079 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, Stalin notorious, notorious lover of Jews. 385 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: Later he and four quote it may be too early 386 00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:55,119 to speak, but perhaps the problem of nationalities and races 387 00:26:55,480 --> 00:27:00,440 has already been solved by one solved on one sixth 388 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:04,200 of the land surface of the globe. Stalin's Russia. 389 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 2: I can see how he would how he would come 390 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:14,119 to that conclusion. If you look at ethnicities in Soviet Russia. 391 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,559 Speaker 1: They're in Soviet Russia. 392 00:27:17,079 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 2: In Mother Russia. No, you could have it is conceivable 393 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,119 that any any ethnicity could could be an ap a party, apparatic, 394 00:27:30,319 --> 00:27:35,680 They could be you know, running a running a collective farm, 395 00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:41,680 running a factory. Just usually they had a ceiling, and 396 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,880 especially if they were Jewish, you could you could get 397 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,960 up to a certain a certain level of power. And 398 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:55,039 then it's just ethnic Russians, all right, or a Georgian. 399 00:27:56,279 --> 00:28:04,559 Speaker 1: Or a Georgian or a never mind. Racism therefore, is 400 00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:08,200 a term originating on the left, and has been so 401 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,359 defined and loaded with meanings the left wants it to 402 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:15,119 have that it cannot now be used by the supporters 403 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,880 of white racial consciousness for any constructive purpose. 404 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,599 Speaker 2: I get it, don't. Don't use the vocabulary of the enemy. 405 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,799 Speaker 1: But the Democrats are the party of slavery, and they're 406 00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:27,839 the real racists. 407 00:28:30,759 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: Uh, the fucking uh the Yellowstone memes, no part. You 408 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,680 better show my Trand's daughter some respect or me and 409 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,440 you are going to have a stern time. 410 00:28:45,759 --> 00:28:47,599 Speaker 1: Paul's had a good one too, I can't remember it. 411 00:28:49,759 --> 00:28:53,400 Anyone who uses the term to describe himself already allowed 412 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,000 himself to be maneuvered onto his opponent's ground, and has 413 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,440 already lost the debate. 414 00:28:59,359 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yes, and yes we still keep doing it. 415 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,519 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's just ridiculous. He may try to 416 00:29:08,559 --> 00:29:11,759 define the word differently, but he will, he will need 417 00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:14,720 to spend most of his time explaining that he does 418 00:29:14,759 --> 00:29:19,799 not mean by it what everyone else means. Yeah, it's 419 00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:25,920 like that. That was That wasn't real racism as a 420 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,839 term useful for communicating ideas that the serious supporters of 421 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:34,480 white racial consciousness which to communicate. The term is useless, 422 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,240 and it was intended by those who developed it to 423 00:29:37,359 --> 00:29:41,599 be useless for that purpose. I mean, when you if 424 00:29:41,599 --> 00:29:44,000 you call a leftist a raging leftist, and I'm talking 425 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:49,440 about a you know, a an activist a racist, it 426 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,319 means nothing to them. 427 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,039 Speaker 2: No, it means they own it. Yeah. 428 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like getting caught. It's like, you know, someone 429 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:04,240 on the right getting called fascist today. Anyone who know, 430 00:30:05,519 --> 00:30:11,440 anyone who's not a frigging thin skinned idiot doesn't immediately 431 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:16,920 start defending themselves. Yeah, I'm a fascist. The boomer cons 432 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,240 do that. You know, if you've bought into the Boomer 433 00:30:19,279 --> 00:30:23,160 truth regime, you do that, just laugh or you say 434 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:23,720 thank you. 435 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, you shouldn't even have an opportunity to 436 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,799 get called a racist by any leftist because you should 437 00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:39,799 already be calling them a faggot. They should have blocked 438 00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,440 you hours ago. 439 00:30:41,799 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, what are you doing on You are not doing 440 00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:49,799 social media correctly. But understanding the origins of the word 441 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,000 racism in Hirschfeld's polemic also makes clear the uselessness of 442 00:30:54,039 --> 00:30:57,960 the word for any other purpose. No one seems to 443 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,880 ever have used the word to describe as own ideas 444 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:06,160 or ideas with which he agrees. Its only application has 445 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,400 been by the enemies of the ideas it purports to describe, 446 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,920 and hence it has no objective meaning apart from its 447 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:18,680 polemical usage. Yeah, and if no one calls his own 448 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,000 ideas racism, and its only application is to a body 449 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,319 of ideas considered to be untrue and evil, then it 450 00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:29,880 has no use other than as any kind of fancy 451 00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:33,720 curse word, the purpose of which is simply to demonize 452 00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:37,440 anyone who expresses the ideas it is supposed to describe. 453 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I agree, And I think I think we're 454 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,319 all guilty of, uh, you know, getting getting into the weeds, 455 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:53,000 getting into the vocabulary weeds, weeds by using the language 456 00:31:53,039 --> 00:31:57,559 of the enemy, and and like like this says, meeting 457 00:31:57,599 --> 00:32:01,880 them on their own terms. But I do like and 458 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,319 maybe I'll have to try it. I'm off Twitter for 459 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:08,880 about forty days, and I'll have to try that if 460 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,119 next time I get into an altercation with with somebody 461 00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:16,000 stupid up. No, it's it's not racism, but it's uh, 462 00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:19,599 it's it's white identitarianism, or it's it's white it's white 463 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,880 racial consciousness. 464 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, see how that works out. 465 00:32:24,279 --> 00:32:28,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, just just just testing testing. 466 00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, like like the finger, put it up to the 467 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:38,559 yeah schector. It is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld speaking of 468 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,640 it is clear that Magnus Hirschfeld himself harbored deep ideological, professional, 469 00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:47,759 and personal animosities against those to whom he applied the word, 470 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:51,720 and those animosities may have extended to the entire society 471 00:32:52,119 --> 00:32:56,079 that throughout his career he associated with sexual repression, and 472 00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:59,240 which he wanted to wanted replaced by a kind of 473 00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:04,799 global communism under the label of pan humanism. Whatever the 474 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,599 flaws or virtues of his polemic against racism, his own 475 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:14,119 opposition to racial consciousness was neither entirely rational nor disinterested. 476 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,480 It is time that the enemies of racial, national, and 477 00:33:18,519 --> 00:33:22,720 cultural consciousness, like Hirschfeld and the Frankfurt School, ceased to 478 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:26,880 be able to claim a monopoly on rationality. Insanity and 479 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,920 that the obsessions and motivations that seemed to shape their 480 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:34,039 own ideologies and political behavior be subjected to the same 481 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:38,799 scrutiny they applied to the societies and peoples whom they're 482 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:41,000 thinking could destroy. 483 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:46,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that's kind of what I 484 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,759 was hinting at. 485 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: You want me to put it back up? Were you 486 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:50,359 reading it? 487 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 2: Oh? No, no, no, that's fine. Actually, let's get your thoughts. 488 00:33:56,359 --> 00:33:59,759 What do you think? I think I before we started recording, 489 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:02,960 I what is the function of racism? And I think 490 00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,119 this answered it pretty well from the perspective of you know, 491 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,559 people that we view as enemies. 492 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, racism only exists as a polemic. I 493 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:21,440 mean it's it's just their their way of seeking to 494 00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:28,719 discredit whoever they're throwing that term at. What Yeah, if 495 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:31,519 somebody says you're a racist? Okay, what does that mean? 496 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:39,000 What what does that mean? I mean it's because I 497 00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:42,960 recognize like crime stats and things like, does that make 498 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,639 me a racist because I want to live in a 499 00:34:45,679 --> 00:34:53,199 predominantly white town that has very low crime. Because I 500 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,800 cannot find a predominantly black town that has very low crime, 501 00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:04,079 has low crime, especially living in alb Them what am 502 00:35:04,199 --> 00:35:08,519 am I a racist? I think I'm just aware of race. 503 00:35:08,559 --> 00:35:12,679 I'm aware you're aware of racial differences in this society. 504 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, what, Well, one of the one of the strategies 505 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,840 that's been put forth from the dissident right is to 506 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,840 kind of embrace the label. You know, that's it's not 507 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,239 a strategy that anybody in power would employ, but from 508 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,119 the from the ground up, it's you know, oh, I'm 509 00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:38,079 a racist, okay, sure, and then they go on to 510 00:35:38,119 --> 00:35:39,119 say something racist. 511 00:35:40,039 --> 00:35:43,559 Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's anybody who. I mean, I 512 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,400 don't really know a lot of people who would say that, 513 00:35:49,559 --> 00:35:53,159 other than to just take the power away from the 514 00:35:53,159 --> 00:35:54,320 person who's using it. 515 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, it's completely contextual, completely, you know, within within 516 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:04,320 the time. But yeah, I mean I've always thought that 517 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:09,000 them bandying that label around constantly, uh, it would either 518 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:13,159 dilute its meaning to nothing, which in some ways it has. 519 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:17,599 In some ways it's still very effective, or it would 520 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:21,000 kind of work in the opposite way that they would 521 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:25,159 want it to, that people would start becoming conscious of race. 522 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,360 Like that's been my experiences. I didn't give a fuck 523 00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,519 about race until I was told I was a racist. 524 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,639 Speaker 1: Enough, Well, that's I mean, that's interesting. The you know, 525 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,840 I've always growing up where I grew up, in everything, 526 00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:45,719 I've always noticed that there's a difference. There's a Steve 527 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:53,320 Saylor recently did an article Attackie addressing this, addressing like 528 00:36:53,960 --> 00:37:01,000 the problem with white blacks are white Black crime is 529 00:37:01,159 --> 00:37:04,800 just insane? Violent crime is insane. Now, I heard someone 530 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,679 I can't remember what the guy's name is say that, well, 531 00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:11,719 and these are true numbers. The average age of a 532 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,400 white person in the United States right now, and this 533 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,079 does not bode well, is fifty seven. 534 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:17,639 Speaker 2: Yep. 535 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the average age of a black person 536 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:26,679 and is twenty seven or something like that. Yeah, like low, 537 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:28,039 like very low. 538 00:37:28,519 --> 00:37:28,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 539 00:37:29,119 --> 00:37:35,679 Speaker 1: So if you who's going to be who violence would 540 00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,599 definitely be you would. You could look at that number 541 00:37:38,639 --> 00:37:41,360 and you could say, Okay, younger people are going to 542 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,880 be more violent than older people on a whole. Okay, 543 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,840 let's start breaking that down. I'm sure you saw the 544 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,760 video of the six foot six, two hundred and eighty 545 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:56,880 pound black student who had his Nintendo switch taken away 546 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,480 by a teacher, a white female teacher who was walking 547 00:38:00,519 --> 00:38:04,519 in the hall, and he ran up behind her, blindsided her, 548 00:38:04,599 --> 00:38:06,440 knocked her to the ground. It looked like being knocked 549 00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,360 to the ground. She got knocked out, and then he 550 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,000 just it just jumped on top of her motionless body 551 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:14,679 and started wailing on her. 552 00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 553 00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:22,599 Speaker 1: Now, I would think if this, if there was an 554 00:38:22,679 --> 00:38:25,800 epidemic of then you had a couple of weeks ago, 555 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:30,039 the the student in the school bus who just starts 556 00:38:30,039 --> 00:38:31,760 wailing on a nine year old white girl. 557 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,599 Speaker 2: Yep. You also have the zoomer kid, the zoomer white 558 00:38:35,679 --> 00:38:38,119 kid that pulled over and picked up two black dudes 559 00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:39,800 to give him a ride, and he ended up getting 560 00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,920 stabbed by him, which brought up a funny, funny thought experience, 561 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,599 A funny thought experiment, at least I thought it was funny. 562 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,920 That is that racism could have saved his life, but 563 00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:53,719 had he been a racist, that he would have been 564 00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,599 worthy of death. 565 00:38:55,360 --> 00:39:01,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well that is and he's like one of those 566 00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,639 one of those situations where you're waiting to see if 567 00:39:04,679 --> 00:39:06,440 the parents start making excuses. 568 00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:13,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, yet again. Now it's it's what's what's been 569 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:15,920 at the forefront of my mind, which has a lot 570 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:21,559 to do with this reading, is the coming demographic shift 571 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:29,159 and the the lowering of average of median intelligence median 572 00:39:29,199 --> 00:39:33,719 IQ's going down the tubes. You have ethnic and racial 573 00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:38,639 shifts all happening within our lifetime, and you're starting to 574 00:39:38,639 --> 00:39:39,960 see things kind of break down. 575 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: Uh. 576 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,280 Speaker 2: You know, the train derailment, for instance, is just these 577 00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:51,079 like big things that are starting to fall apart, the 578 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:56,480 close calls with airplanes. And at the same time, you have, 579 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,480 you know, the push for DEI and every else at 580 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:04,519 a municipal and federal level that I'm seeing happen just 581 00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:07,920 on the ground level in my job. 582 00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:13,599 Speaker 1: Let me let me correct something from earlier, give me 583 00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:15,400 a second. Oh no, go ahead, gotta keep going. 584 00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:20,000 Speaker 2: And it's oh, yeah, no, it's it's already starting to 585 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,079 We're already starting to see it, and it's little fissures 586 00:40:24,159 --> 00:40:27,800 right now. But it's just going to be. It's going 587 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,880 to be an interesting time. 588 00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:34,199 Speaker 1: It certainly is, which is why I'm trying to get 589 00:40:34,199 --> 00:40:37,440 away from trying to get to the smallest town I can. 590 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,800 All right, So the last numbers on average age by 591 00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:47,679 race or ethnicity is from twenty nineteen PE research. As 592 00:40:47,679 --> 00:40:51,559 in twenty nineteen, the medium age of single race non 593 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,519 Hispanic Black people is thirty five. In two thousand it 594 00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:59,360 was thirty If you take the if you combine all 595 00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,159 minority in the United States as opposed to whites. In 596 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,760 July twenty nineteen, it was reported that most common age 597 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,079 of whites in the US is fifty eight minorities combined, 598 00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:12,960 it's twenty seven. 599 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. And if you tease that out, you can 600 00:41:16,559 --> 00:41:21,639 see like that demographic holocaust happening, happening in real time. 601 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,119 Speaker 1: Sure, and bringing up the high school student is what 602 00:41:28,480 --> 00:41:30,400 you know. And people want to say, oh, well, you know, 603 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,800 that's just it's it makes more sense. The younger people 604 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,360 are going to be more violent than older people. Okay, okay, good, 605 00:41:36,639 --> 00:41:41,119 I'll give that. All right, Let's compare high school students. 606 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,360 Let's compare high school age students and look at the 607 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,480 violence if there were if there was an epidemic of 608 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:55,000 white violence in high schools like you see, like we've 609 00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:58,679 seen recently, the videos coming out of school buses and 610 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,639 the one in that hallway, it would be plastered everywhere. 611 00:42:03,199 --> 00:42:06,119 It would be as white supremacy. It would be you know, 612 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,800 does he have a gun in his truck? 613 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:08,119 Speaker 2: Does? 614 00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:09,800 Speaker 1: I mean? It would be all that. 615 00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,519 Speaker 2: So every school has metal detectors, every school has an 616 00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:18,920 army of school resource officers, but you don't see that 617 00:42:19,079 --> 00:42:21,800 in the in the region that I grew up. And 618 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,679 that's that's that's why, that's why I kind of had 619 00:42:24,679 --> 00:42:28,440 to pause when you, uh, when you responded to me 620 00:42:28,519 --> 00:42:31,639 when I said, you know, I never thought about race 621 00:42:31,679 --> 00:42:34,880 growing up because Massachusetts has always been like eighty five 622 00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,519 percent plus white. I mean the school that I the 623 00:42:37,559 --> 00:42:41,880 school that I graduated from, had a handful of Cape 624 00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,320 Verdeans and that was about it. It was not a thing. 625 00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,119 We were a color blind society. 626 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. But the I was talking to in Benjamin 627 00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,719 today and he's like, if you want to get away 628 00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:56,039 from black people, just go skiing. 629 00:42:56,920 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. 630 00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,639 Speaker 1: But but the but if you were if we were 631 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,960 to look at violence by black teens in high schools 632 00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,840 compared to violence by white teens in high school I 633 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:13,920 wonder what we would say. 634 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, And do you think it's a it's a conscious 635 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:24,480 rejection of of liv of of their experience. When these 636 00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:30,199 teachers or students in these in these schools that aren't 637 00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:36,639 predominantly white. Uh, you know, do things like take away 638 00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:39,960 the Nintendo switch or pull over and give a ride 639 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,519 to two black dudes or or whatever, or just enforce 640 00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:47,000 the rules. Uh? Is that is that a conscious rejection 641 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,760 or do you think that it just doesn't occur to them? 642 00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,360 Do you think the engineering has been that good? 643 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,960 Speaker 1: Oh? I think the engineering is is absolutely insane. I 644 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,559 mean the amount of we were I was talking about 645 00:43:59,599 --> 00:44:02,760 this on my so it is she was talking about it, 646 00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:08,000 the amount of like you go into a all white 647 00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:13,679 Baptist church in the South, they're praying for race to 648 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:18,440 end racism. Yeah, okay, why what what? Why are they 649 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,880 doing this? They're not even thinking, They're not even thinking 650 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:27,360 about it. It's just there. It's just not there. You 651 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:30,320 can make the argument. I think there are some who 652 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,400 maybe that teacher, considering she's a teacher, I don't want 653 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,679 to speak. I know there are good teachers out there. 654 00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,039 It's painted in our mind. It's like cement in our 655 00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:42,719 mind that most teachers are left as progressives and they're 656 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:46,079 there to you know, she could have been one of 657 00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:51,159 those people who either would just ignore it or would 658 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:55,960 see herself as an ally. So obviously I'm not going 659 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,320 to get attacked. This person will understand that I'm doing 660 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:00,519 this for their own the good. 661 00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, she is. She is the liberal middle ground. I mean, 662 00:45:06,119 --> 00:45:09,159 a true progressive teacher would have let let him do 663 00:45:09,199 --> 00:45:12,760 whatever he wants. I mean, yeah, taking his switch away 664 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,400 would be what would be the wrong thing to do. 665 00:45:16,199 --> 00:45:19,599 But she's the you know, the the problem. I'd say 666 00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:23,159 that the boomer liberal that you know, values education and 667 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,280 he's disrupting the class and uh, this is this is 668 00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:27,760 worth risking my life over. 669 00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,039 Speaker 1: Did you see the tweet that I shared into the 670 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:35,119 chat yesterday with with the you've been out of the chat. 671 00:45:35,559 --> 00:45:38,760 Speaker 2: I've checked in like once or twice, but I've been 672 00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:40,320 I've been trying to be good. 673 00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:43,480 Speaker 1: On your on your let on your let Okay. Have 674 00:45:43,559 --> 00:45:48,000 you seen the video of the Many grocery the Buffalo, 675 00:45:48,119 --> 00:45:49,800 New York in any grocery store thing. 676 00:45:50,679 --> 00:45:51,880 Speaker 2: The guy getting executed? 677 00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, I mean what do we do? What do 678 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,559 we important? We have enough problems dealing with people who 679 00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:04,000 are here born here. 680 00:46:05,159 --> 00:46:09,960 Speaker 2: Well, have you heard about Portland, Illinois introducing a law banning, uh, 681 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:16,599 banning recognition of the Indian caste system. No? Yes, so 682 00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,519 Portland is introducing a law banning the banning the recognition 683 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:27,000 of the Hindu caste system. And I'm guessing, uh, this. 684 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,400 Speaker 1: Is what is that? What is the population of. 685 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,480 Speaker 2: Let me give us a background. The major sponsors of 686 00:46:34,519 --> 00:46:40,239 the bill are Muslim Indians. So this is just bringing 687 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,559 to the forefront that India has a has a has 688 00:46:43,599 --> 00:46:47,880 a an inequality problem that's systemic, just like we do, 689 00:46:48,639 --> 00:46:50,280 and we're not going to tolerate that. 690 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,119 Speaker 1: Ship in America Portland, Illinois? 691 00:46:54,679 --> 00:46:57,119 Speaker 2: Is it Portland? I thought it was. Where did you 692 00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:58,920 say Portland? Oregon? 693 00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,840 Speaker 1: Oh, it's Orgon. Okay, I'm sorry I heard Illinois. Sorry 694 00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,480 I'm retarded. Yeah, I could see that. They're yeah, well, yeah, 695 00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,599 that's funny that that would they would do an that 696 00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:10,639 fucking brilliant. 697 00:47:12,039 --> 00:47:15,480 Speaker 2: If you're an Indian Muslim and you hate Hindus, start 698 00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,639 fucking passing some laws being like, hey, you know this 699 00:47:17,679 --> 00:47:21,079 is going on right, That. 700 00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:23,760 Speaker 1: Is really brilliant. That is really smart. 701 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I thought it was fucking awesome. 702 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,760 Speaker 1: How do people how do people not learn? We're seeing 703 00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,840 if you go look around the United States, especially if 704 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,840 you look at like DeSantis is Florida, just examine some 705 00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,960 of the stuff that people are doing, especially him. You 706 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,360 can change this. You can change your states in a heartbeat. 707 00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,320 I mean he basically just restructured the whole state that 708 00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,559 it's like it's going to be hard for Republicans to 709 00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,000 lose the governorship. 710 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and from what I've heard from Florida men, that's 711 00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:56,920 been going on for a while, Like the seeds of 712 00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,360 that were planted, you know, a decade ago. Far as 713 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:05,320 packing the courts, appointing permanent positions, Uh, they've they've been 714 00:48:05,679 --> 00:48:09,559 they've been working on on this, uh you know, de 715 00:48:09,559 --> 00:48:11,639 deliberalizing Florida for a while. 716 00:48:12,199 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, amazing, it's awesome. It's just it's so expensive 717 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,719 to live there now. Yeah, when you look. 718 00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,199 Speaker 2: People like me are constantly thinking about moving to Florida and. 719 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,719 Speaker 1: You just bought a house. 720 00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,639 Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, I still think about. 721 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:37,840 Speaker 1: It me too. I'm only one state away. I could 722 00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:42,079 make the drive really easy. But so yeah, I mean, 723 00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:47,199 I guess just bring this all back the I think 724 00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:53,119 it's interesting that somebody that I've talked about extensively on 725 00:48:53,159 --> 00:48:56,760 the show, and not extensively, but in a couple episodes. 726 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,239 I did that episode with Justin Campbell on which books 727 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,519 the National Socialists actually burned, you know, because everybody's like, oh, 728 00:49:05,559 --> 00:49:11,360 they burned the Bible, Oh they burned even the Wick. 729 00:49:12,119 --> 00:49:15,800 The Wikipedia article is honest, it tells you who they 730 00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:19,719 they burned. Yeah, you know whose books they burned. It's 731 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,960 very honest. You can just look at it. Then there's 732 00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,840 other things out there, and then you know, just talking 733 00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,400 about Wymar how much he's such a huge part of it. 734 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:31,320 There's a book on Wymar called Voluptuous Panic by Gordon 735 00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:36,239 and I mean it is you get a pdf of 736 00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,000 it and and control Effort and just put in Hirschfeld. 737 00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,800 It's just like he's author out that book. 738 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:51,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean leading leading cultural degeneracy in Wymar Berlin. 739 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,360 I mean I've I'm not an expert, but I've heard 740 00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,280 T seven seven speak about it. And then, uh, you know, 741 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:01,760 heard heard a couple of things from the other podcasts 742 00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:03,800 I listened to, and the ship that you could you 743 00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:05,920 could go go to a street in Berlin and you 744 00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:08,679 could fuck a horse, you could suck another dude, you 745 00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:11,320 could suck a kid like it was just a a 746 00:50:11,519 --> 00:50:15,000 and all you can fuck buffet for ten years. 747 00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,159 Speaker 1: Well you you red Iron Kingdom twice, right, you said, yeah, Yeah, 748 00:50:19,639 --> 00:50:22,199 they talk about that. They talk about go over that. 749 00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,039 Speaker 2: They they so that's kind of towards the end of 750 00:50:25,039 --> 00:50:31,559 the book, they do go over it. Just the the 751 00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,239 the wide range of social little they I think he 752 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:42,400 calls it liberalization, uh depression, Deprussianization of Germany, and. 753 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:46,360 Speaker 1: I wonder what he meant by that. All right, man, 754 00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,000 I'm gonna let you go. Do you have anything to plug? 755 00:50:49,159 --> 00:50:51,199 Are you even on a podcast anymore? 756 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've missed the last couple of ones. They 757 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,199 they've been doing some weird things with the schedule and 758 00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:01,480 destroyed at work. I'm actually waiting for a call from 759 00:51:01,519 --> 00:51:05,440 the fire department any minute now. It's saying that my sprint, 760 00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:07,920 one of the sprinkler systems, blew up from the cold. 761 00:51:08,679 --> 00:51:13,320 But yeah, I'm just fucking crazy busy, but not too 762 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:14,320 busy for you, Pete. 763 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,159 Speaker 1: I appreciate that. 764 00:51:16,199 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 2: You know. 765 00:51:16,679 --> 00:51:19,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to catch crap from Bird for you showing 766 00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,199 up on the on my show but not being able 767 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:22,800 to show up on. 768 00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,840 Speaker 2: Their showing up my favorite podcast. 769 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:34,679 Speaker 1: Well go when he has time or the inclination. Aaron 770 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:39,360 is on Timeline Earth, and I know that they don't 771 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,320 like you because you were left out of the famous 772 00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:45,239 Bird episode AI episode. 773 00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. He said he couldn't get my voice down. 774 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,400 That was his excuse, which I get. I I hate 775 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,880 my voice, so I wasn't very I wasn't disappointed. 776 00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,079 Speaker 1: Carr's voice was it just wasn't there. 777 00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:02,519 Speaker 2: Man. Yeah, it tricked me for a little while. But 778 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,360 him saying like that is just such a good episode. 779 00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:08,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, well he Well. The thing about Car is I 780 00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:10,400 think I said this one bird was on, is that 781 00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,039 he alters his voice a lot during an episode. I'll 782 00:52:14,079 --> 00:52:16,119 be excited about something, He'll be laid back, so he's 783 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,039 constantly going back and forth. And the AI just made 784 00:52:19,119 --> 00:52:21,039 him like packxel or you know. 785 00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:21,599 Speaker 2: Like. 786 00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:26,800 Speaker 1: SSRI car where he was just like one one mood 787 00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:29,679 the whole time. And I'm like, oh no no. But 788 00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,159 the Trump was so good, Yeah, Trump was so good. 789 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,719 The Bannon was, but the Tucker was good too. And 790 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:43,400 the Rallo the Rao was that might be the best voice. 791 00:52:43,559 --> 00:52:45,039 That might be the best one. 792 00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 2: I lost it when he came on. I was in 793 00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,880 my car just fucking dying. 794 00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,760 Speaker 1: I was I thought, I was like, oh, this might 795 00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,760 be the best. It helped to know what I was 796 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,199 listening to too. You should imagine how many people will 797 00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,159 listen to that. You know, how a lot of people 798 00:53:01,199 --> 00:53:03,199 they get it. They just start fast forwarding fast forward 799 00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,599 until it gets through like an introduction anything, and then 800 00:53:05,639 --> 00:53:06,920 you just start listening to it's like, wait a minute, 801 00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:08,559 what the hell with Steve Mannen's on the show, but 802 00:53:08,639 --> 00:53:14,280 that hell's going on here, Tucker? What all right? Man, I'm 803 00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,840 gonna let you go. I appreciate you, thank you, yep 804 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,559 Speaker 2: Thanks a lot, man,