Speaker 1: Oh that's are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy. And my name is Jonathan.
Speaker 3: I'm Jacob. Jacob. What are we talking about today, good sir,
Speaker 3: So I'm gonna paint a picture real quick, good cult members.
Speaker 3: Here we are on the Cult Conspiracy circa twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: And you know that I do enjoy diving back into
Speaker 3: Cold War conspiracies from time to time because it's very interesting.
Speaker 3: A lot of the fuckery has now been open to
Speaker 3: interpretation and has been disclosed, and like, we can look
Speaker 3: into a lot of these things. Right, So we're gonna
Speaker 3: take a little trip back to the late fifties, early sixties,
Speaker 3: and it's gonna end in the mid sixties in this
Speaker 3: tiny little speck of land you might know is Greenland.
Speaker 3: It's massive, Yeah, it's absolutely massive, right, and it's owned
Speaker 3: by Denmark. And Trump has been going on and on
Speaker 3: about how he's gonna buy Greenland, and the Denmark government's like, no,
Speaker 3: you're not, homie, Like, what are you talking about here?
Speaker 3: Are you talking about red, white and Blueland?
Speaker 4: Ha?
Speaker 3: Now you're getting it. And so why right, what is
Speaker 3: the precedence for this potential purchase in the future.
Speaker 5: Well, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 3: How during the Soviet era, right during the Cold War,
Speaker 3: we had a series of radar bases all along the
Speaker 3: Greenland and Island as a way to kind of keep
Speaker 3: the Arctic Circle under surveillance to see if Russia was
Speaker 3: making any moves, right, and a lot of these were
Speaker 3: very small outposts. But this is before the day and
Speaker 3: age of satellites, right, This is whenever we didn't have
Speaker 3: the capability of using a satellite imagery to bounce up
Speaker 3: into the stratosphere and the combat or the atmosphere wherever
Speaker 3: the satellites hang, and then bounce back down to our
Speaker 3: systems and all this we needed massive radar and satellite
Speaker 3: dishes basically to send radio transmissions from point A to
Speaker 3: point B. Okay, so very very early in the stages
Speaker 3: of the technology that we know and love today. This
Speaker 3: being said, what if I was to tell you that
Speaker 3: not only was one of these sites destined to be
Speaker 3: a radar site, but what if I was to tell
Speaker 3: you that one of these sites was also supposed to
Speaker 3: be a nuclear launch site, unbeknownst to the nation of Denmark,
Speaker 3: because Denmark did not want nuclear weapons anywhere near their island. Right,
Speaker 3: I say a island, it's a mass of country like
Speaker 3: land size wise, not pop relation wise. Beside the point,
Speaker 3: Dinmar didn't want nukes anywhere near here, so America was
Speaker 3: able to skirt around this by saying, oh, bro, we
Speaker 3: didn't mean nuclear bombs. We mean that we're using a
Speaker 3: nuclear reactor to power this base.
Speaker 5: That's all we meant.
Speaker 3: And for the record, they did this because diesel generators
Speaker 3: create heat, and they decided the best place to do
Speaker 3: this particular site was to go two hundred feet under
Speaker 3: the surface of the ice and burrow down and dig
Speaker 3: out these caves and these tunnels and use an underground
Speaker 3: iced in basically an igloo supersized as a means for
Speaker 3: an underground Greenland base. But the actual goal was to
Speaker 3: be able to store hundreds of nuclear weapons here. But
Speaker 3: again they skirt around this by saying, listen, man, we
Speaker 3: can't use diesel generators underneath the ice the exhaust. That's
Speaker 3: not good. All that extra heat, it's gonna make the
Speaker 3: ice melt. We can't do that. We're going to a
Speaker 3: nuclear reactor. That's what we mean by nuclear base. So
Speaker 3: they did then because of the heats, because you know, shocker. Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, regardless of what anybody thinks, nuclear power does
Speaker 3: in fact create a little bit of heat.
Speaker 5: Dog.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how much you know about nuclear
Speaker 3: sites and things like this, but you can't you can't
Speaker 3: have a lot of movement on these sites. So in
Speaker 3: a few years they realized that the nuclear reactor had
Speaker 3: sunk five feet. For anybody who doesn't know, we have
Speaker 3: nuclear sits in Louisiana. And when there is a single
Speaker 3: pipe that is being ran from point A to point.
Speaker 5: B, do you know what a jersey barrier is?
Speaker 3: No, these big concrete structures will see like blocking off
Speaker 3: for like traffic and roadwork. Okay, it's it's like a
Speaker 3: It's like about a waist high concrete barrier.
Speaker 5: Right, they're long. Okay, so that's a jersey barrier.
Speaker 3: We have to use jersey barriers lined up and the
Speaker 3: pipe itself has to be strapped down like every foot
Speaker 3: with metal straps. For anybody who doesn't know about heavy industry,
Speaker 3: that is absurd. There's no reason for this pipe to
Speaker 3: be that fucking secure.
Speaker 5: What are you.
Speaker 3: Doing with this? So one of my buddies that was
Speaker 3: building a nuclear site actually asked one of the engineers
Speaker 3: and was like, bro, what is going through this pipe
Speaker 3: that makes it so secure. He's like, no, no, not just
Speaker 3: this one. Every pipe has to be this secure. He's
Speaker 3: like what, He's like, that pipe needs to be so
Speaker 3: secure that if we were to get an earthquake, a
Speaker 3: tidal wave, and a tornado to hit the site at
Speaker 3: the exact same time, that pipe can't move.
Speaker 5: That's the level of sophistication.
Speaker 3: And sturdiness that goes into building a nuclear site. So
Speaker 3: when you can tell me the main reactor just dropped
Speaker 3: five feet, you understand this is a bit of a
Speaker 3: bit of a oopsie daisy. Right, Yeah, not necessarily a
Speaker 3: good thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're talking about nuclear shit here and now,
Speaker 2: depending on you know, if you believe that nukes are
Speaker 2: faking gay, that's not part of this conversation. We're talking
Speaker 2: about nuclear energy. And by the way, I looked a
Speaker 2: little bit more into that whole nukes being fakeing gay conversation.
Speaker 2: Are like, not to go full on side tangent here,
Speaker 2: but I found the argument is not whether nukes exist.
Speaker 2: They just say that as kind of like a it's
Speaker 2: not like the earth is flat kind of thing. It's
Speaker 2: more so that they're talking about the the the radiation,
Speaker 2: that the radiation doesn't prove that the reaction from nuclear weapons.
Speaker 2: You know, what we've been taught about nukes is that
Speaker 2: they really they leave behind a whole lot of radiation
Speaker 2: and all this other shit. Meanwhile, people over in other
Speaker 2: countries that have been blasted by nukes were able to
Speaker 2: go over and live.
Speaker 3: Their vegetation was springing up.
Speaker 2: And therefore the science that we've been taught about nuclear
Speaker 2: bombs is incorrect. And so as a result, they say
Speaker 2: that nukes are faking gay.
Speaker 3: So here's the background of that one. I'm holding right
Speaker 3: now in my hand. Good cult members that can't see
Speaker 3: a thirty six round. Now, if I was to fire
Speaker 3: this round and then you tell me, I don't believe
Speaker 3: in gunpowder because there was no gunpowder left in the
Speaker 3: cartridge after you fired it. Yes, because all the explosive
Speaker 3: material was used to make the bullet go. When a
Speaker 3: nuclear bomb goes off, all the radioactive material get used
Speaker 3: in the explosion. There is a very little radioactive fallout
Speaker 3: from a bomb going off. Now, Fukushima or a Chernobyl,
Speaker 3: that's a different situation because that is a slow leakage
Speaker 3: over a long period of time.
Speaker 5: That's not one big kaboom.
Speaker 3: So the nuclear bomb goes off, Yeah, you could live
Speaker 3: there probably in about a week realistically.
Speaker 5: That's That's never been an argument.
Speaker 3: No, no, but that has been an argument.
Speaker 2: And that's what we were taught in school, is that
Speaker 2: people couldn't live there for decades after, even hundreds of
Speaker 2: years after, because of the level of you know, nuclear
Speaker 2: radiation and shit. I remember learning that in school.
Speaker 3: I do not. My teachers are very open to the
Speaker 3: fact that like Hiroshima and Nagasaki have thriving communities today,
Speaker 3: but like that's a whole thing. Yeah, well, I mean
Speaker 3: that's the Rockefeller school system for you, you know, brought
Speaker 3: to you by the Robert Maxwell textbooks. Very true, very true.
Speaker 3: But now let me side tangent. It back to Project
Speaker 3: Ice Worm. So here's the deal. When they realized that
Speaker 3: the nuclear reactor was kind of sinking into the ice
Speaker 3: a little bit, they realized that they could not do
Speaker 3: nuclear power, and then because of the Vietnam War and things.
Speaker 5: They kind of mixed the program a bit.
Speaker 3: So they nixed the program and decided to just leave
Speaker 3: it there. And they figured that all of this nuclear
Speaker 3: material and all of this would just be encapsulated in
Speaker 3: ice and.
Speaker 5: It would never be a problem, never again.
Speaker 3: Except and I don't mean to make this a global
Speaker 3: warming episode, because we understand that the Earth has heated
Speaker 3: and cooled for centuries and millennias without the help of
Speaker 3: human hands. That being said, experts are now saying that
Speaker 3: sometime in the next hundred years, tens of thousands of
Speaker 3: gallons of nuclear waste and tons of radioactive materials are
Speaker 3: going to seep their way into the Arctic Ocean because
Speaker 3: of all the shit that Americans left under the ice there.
Speaker 5: And here's the problem. There's pretty much no.
Speaker 3: Way of cleaning this up because so much more snow
Speaker 3: and ice have come down on top of this. It
Speaker 3: is now an extra one hundred feet of solid ice
Speaker 3: underneath what once was there. And we have no idea
Speaker 3: how much seepage there's been, so we have no idea
Speaker 3: the level of protective equipment that you would even need
Speaker 3: to get cruise down there to clean up this mess.
Speaker 3: So we're pretty much just left saying, hey, fuck it,
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see what happens. So let's learn about
Speaker 3: this whole thing together, Project ice Worm, this time on
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Speaker 5: Indeed, indeed, all right, So let's get into it here.
Speaker 3: We're starting off with this article from Smithsonian Magazine. NASA
Speaker 3: radar detects abandoned sight of secret Cold War project in Greenland,
Speaker 3: a quote city under the ice. Camp Century was built
Speaker 3: in nineteen fifty nine and advertised as a US research site,
Speaker 3: but it also hosted a clandestine missile facility. Let's get
Speaker 3: into it. In April, a team of scientists and engineers
Speaker 3: flew a jet above northern Greenland to test the capabilities
Speaker 3: of a radar instrument about one hundred and fifty miles
Speaker 3: east of Patific Yeah Space Base. Chad Green, a NASA
Speaker 3: Jet Propulsion Laboratory scientist Yes JPL gets their appearance in
Speaker 3: this episode, snapped a photo of the white expanse below them.
Speaker 3: At the same time, the radar detected something surprising under
Speaker 3: the ice, an abandoned Cold War era base is a
Speaker 3: direct quote here. We were looking for the bed of
Speaker 3: ice and out pops Camp Sentry. Alex Gardner, scientists at
Speaker 3: nasa' Jet Propulsion Laboratory who helped lead the projects, said
Speaker 3: in a statement, we didn't know what it was at first.
Speaker 3: Dubbed the City under the Ice, Camp Sentry was a
Speaker 3: military base built into the Greenland ice sheet by the
Speaker 3: US Army Corps of Engineers in nineteen fifty nine. At
Speaker 3: the time, it was near the surface layer. Now, after
Speaker 3: snow and ice accumulated over the decades, it's buried at
Speaker 3: least one hundred feet deep. Back then, Camp's Century was
Speaker 3: advertised as a polar research site.
Speaker 5: Per Popular Sciences Andrew Paul.
Speaker 3: It's scientists did collect the world's first ice core samples,
Speaker 3: which are still referenced in research today, but the facilities
Speaker 3: also hosted a much darker venture, a top secret Cold
Speaker 3: War mission called Project ice Worm, and I should mention
Speaker 3: the ice core samples that were taken here. This was
Speaker 3: the first time that they were actually able to go
Speaker 3: down and be like, wow, we're looking at ice from
Speaker 3: one thousand and eighty from the time of Jesus, from
Speaker 3: the time of the Pyramids and all that. That first
Speaker 3: time that ever happened was in this greenland site, which
Speaker 3: is cool. I should you know, it doesn't. It's not
Speaker 3: without its own like level of badassery. They've since done
Speaker 3: that in Antarctica and things like this. That's fine, but
Speaker 3: this was the first time that there was enough resources
Speaker 3: on site and they had to keep up appearances. They
Speaker 3: had to have some kind of scientific study that was
Speaker 3: shown from this facility to show that it was a
Speaker 3: polar research lab, but it also had its own, uh,
Speaker 3: its own underlying reasons. That's usually what happens with these
Speaker 3: kind of things.
Speaker 2: You know, they go there, they say they're going to
Speaker 2: be working on this experiment or testing these this soil
Speaker 2: or whatever, and that's usually just like the the overlapping
Speaker 2: kind of story, so that nobody really knows what's actually
Speaker 2: going on.
Speaker 3: I think, you know.
Speaker 2: Because there's I think that there's a lot more to
Speaker 2: our exploration and there's a lot more to our patriotism
Speaker 2: and giving everybody freedom than meets the eye. And a
Speaker 2: portion of that would be that the facility also hosted
Speaker 2: a much darker venture, a top secret Cold War mission
Speaker 2: called Project ice Worm.
Speaker 5: It's classified effort.
Speaker 3: Aim to house and launch a system of missiles within
Speaker 3: a network of tunnels beneath the ice. The weapons a
Speaker 3: type of nuclear missile known as Iceman, which, for the record,
Speaker 3: are you've ever heard of a Minuteman missile? Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was a Minuteman.
Speaker 3: Missile that was specifically designed to be launched from an
Speaker 3: Arctic site, so they nicknamed them the Iceman instead of
Speaker 3: the Minuteman, but same concept here, they could launch through
Speaker 3: the ice sheet. Per space dot COM's Brett Tingley, their
Speaker 3: potential target was, of course, the Soviet Union. On screen
Speaker 3: now is a picture of one of these under ice caverns. Here, dude,
Speaker 3: They basically took modified tractors and just dug these trenches
Speaker 3: in the ice, then threw on this very rudimentary sheet
Speaker 3: metal as a domed roof, and then covered it back
Speaker 3: in snow. All of this was under the surface, and
Speaker 3: if you were flying in the air, you would never
Speaker 3: know that you were looking at anything other than just
Speaker 3: an Arctic tundra. Well, yeah, dude, they're masterfucking tunnel builders.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: We talk about all the different dums that are in
Speaker 2: the United States. It used to be a crazy conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Now they're just out in the open with it, you know,
Speaker 2: like a lot of it used to be so secret.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing, like, you know, if they are
Speaker 2: willing to admit that there are deep under deep underground
Speaker 2: military bases, right, Like, if they're willing to admit that,
Speaker 2: it makes you wonder, like what about all the other stories,
Speaker 2: what about like the cities that are underground? You know,
Speaker 2: you hear, you know, And we've brought up about how
Speaker 2: some of them have like even fucking Starbucks built under
Speaker 2: there and everything I'm talking about even beyond that, because
Speaker 2: if you see some of these pictures, and this is
Speaker 2: a really cool picture, but if you see some of
Speaker 2: the pictures of the people that are trying to expose
Speaker 2: some of the deep underground military bases or just deep
Speaker 2: underground bases in general, they are.
Speaker 3: Extravagant, dude.
Speaker 2: Like it is like you've seen, like everybody's seen Batman
Speaker 2: write all the different Batman movies, like the bat Cave
Speaker 2: about how it's so advanced and it's so sick looking
Speaker 2: and everything that is like caveman shit compared to what
Speaker 2: they got going on underground in real life.
Speaker 3: I actually think that Bruce Wayne was supposed to be
Speaker 3: Tony Stark in the DC verse. I mean, they're basically
Speaker 3: the same person if you think about it. I know, like, Okay,
Speaker 3: so his dad, Wayne Industries, wasn't a military Industrial Complex
Speaker 3: contributor like Stark Industries was allegedly. But then you see
Speaker 3: like the Dark Knight Rises and you see how much
Speaker 3: military tech that Wayne Industries in fact was doing, and
Speaker 3: it's like, so, did DC plagiarize iron Man or did
Speaker 3: iron Man plagiarize you.
Speaker 6: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: There's a little bit of both, and you can see
Speaker 2: the same thing like, uh, DC has Superman, right, and
Speaker 2: uh I just recently watched the Eternals movie again and
Speaker 2: in what one of the Eternals was basically fucking Superman
Speaker 2: laser beams coming out of the eyes, can fly and
Speaker 2: super powerful and all this kind of stuff. And so
Speaker 2: they do kind of feed back and forth off of
Speaker 2: each other.
Speaker 3: And yeah, with Marvel you have the Hulk. In DC
Speaker 3: you have Solomon Grundy. Uh you know, you got it?
Speaker 3: Does this? They do this a good bit? They you know,
Speaker 3: when you take inspiration, it's like that's a really good
Speaker 3: idea for a superhero. But man, we can't just take
Speaker 3: it from them. We got do our own thing. So
Speaker 3: they had to like twist it and modify it a bit.
Speaker 3: And then there's always teenage mutant Ninja Turtles who were
Speaker 3: out there literally to do it as a joke, and
Speaker 3: then people really liked it. And it's like we totally
Speaker 3: meant for this to be a thing that was never
Speaker 3: supposed to be a taken serious.
Speaker 2: Bro, do you want to hear some crazy shit. There's
Speaker 2: actually a conspiracy about the Ninja Turtles, Oh for sure,
Speaker 2: there has to, like, all right, think about it. There
Speaker 2: are these reptilians aka turtles that live in the sewer system.
Speaker 2: They love pizza, right with the whole Pizzagate and everything.
Speaker 3: No, they no.
Speaker 2: And and then Master Shredder he's trying to get a
Speaker 2: bunch of teenage kids to get them ready to fight
Speaker 2: the reptilians underground.
Speaker 3: Splinter that splinters. Shredder was the bad guy. No, no, no, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's what I'm talking about. Shredder is the bad guy.
Speaker 3: He allegedly the bad guy, right, and he's the one
Speaker 3: that's trying to train all these underage kids to fight
Speaker 3: up against the reptilians, Like, so could shred Ter be
Speaker 3: the good guy fighting against the fucking reptilians who are
Speaker 3: underground eating pizza? And then of course the reptilians are
Speaker 3: being trained by a rat. Dude, come on, h I
Speaker 3: haven't even thought about this, but damn it, And and
Speaker 3: you think about it, who is the reptilian's closest friend
Speaker 3: fucking mainstream media, right.
Speaker 5: The reporter, fucking April Dog April.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, dude.
Speaker 2: It's they take they take something and they flip it
Speaker 2: upside down and make it seem like these are the
Speaker 2: good guys. Now, I grew up loving the Ninja turtles.
Speaker 2: Who doesn't love the Ninja turtles and everything? Right, fucking
Speaker 2: you know they're eating pizza. You're like, oh yeah, especially
Speaker 2: as a kid, Like everybody's favorite food as as a
Speaker 2: kid is like pizza or mac and cheese or something
Speaker 2: simple like that, right, And so that's how they that's
Speaker 2: how they fucking bring you into it, dude.
Speaker 3: Damn it, I'm not happy about how well that lines up.
Speaker 3: That's that's pretty phenomenal, dude.
Speaker 2: It's like it and and we've been groomed that way,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm I'm saying, like, maybe it's a coincidence,
Speaker 2: maybe that's not even what they meant to do. But
Speaker 2: I will say that if we live in a fucking
Speaker 2: matrix world and you start seeing things differently, whenever that
Speaker 2: third eye opens up all the way, shit starts to
Speaker 2: look a little different. Okay, it do damn, And now
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be able to look at that any differently.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be looking for these telltale signs anytime my
Speaker 2: kids are watching it, to like see what other underlying
Speaker 2: notes there may be.
Speaker 3: Shit, I know, I know. Crazy. Anyway, So back to
Speaker 3: Project ice Worm. What we have on screen right now
Speaker 3: is a picture of a thermal drill. Okay, this is
Speaker 3: what they used to take one of those core samples
Speaker 3: out of one of these tunnels. So this was the
Speaker 3: science quote unquote that they were actually doing at this site. However,
Speaker 3: if you look at the size of this trench that's
Speaker 3: being dug here, and then we're gonna see a video
Speaker 3: later showing the scale of what this site was supposed
Speaker 3: to be, it's gonna ring a little different here, But
Speaker 3: let's get back into it. Here. A Popular Science issue
Speaker 3: from February of nineteen sixty describe the project for readers.
Speaker 3: In building the fantastic community eight hundred miles from the
Speaker 3: North Pole, Army engineers, in cooperation with the Danish government
Speaker 3: Greenland as part of the Kingdom of Denmark, have proved
Speaker 3: that the traditionally antagonistic Arctic can be tamed. It will
Speaker 3: be home, snug, comfortable, and warm for one hundred scientists, engineers,
Speaker 3: and soldiers who are expected to move in late this year,
Speaker 3: as are reported by Popular Science. However, the US Army
Speaker 3: didn't immediately share the project Ice Worm's true nature with
Speaker 3: the Danish government for obvious reasons. The construction of Camp
Speaker 3: Century took in s I'm sorry. The construction of Camp
Speaker 3: Centry in such a remote location where temperatures can drop
Speaker 3: to minus seventy degrees fahrenheit and wind speeds can be
Speaker 3: stronger than one hundred and twenty miles per hour is
Speaker 3: certainly impressive. Also to give everybody a real like, look
Speaker 3: at what we're talking about here. Temperatures are minus twenty
Speaker 3: in the summer, so like, there is no warm season here.
Speaker 3: It's the Arctic, It's the tundra. Dog no matter what
Speaker 3: you do. Best case scenario, if you have a day
Speaker 3: where it's zero. Oh my god, fucking break out the
Speaker 3: Hawaiian shirt. Dude, where's the swimsuit? At my god, these
Speaker 3: people are insane, But everything for the name of the
Speaker 3: Cold War, you know, the construction of cant century in
Speaker 3: uh I'm sorry, I read that one here, And the
Speaker 3: facility was one of the first to draw power from
Speaker 3: a portable nuclear reactor, per Newsweek's Jess Thomas, which was
Speaker 3: removed in nineteen sixty seven when the camp and Project
Speaker 3: Ice Warm were abandoned because of the impracticality of maintaining
Speaker 3: this structure within the constantly moving ice sheet.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Popular, you know, contrary to popular belief, ice does in
Speaker 3: fact bend a bit. Maybe not an ice cube, but
Speaker 3: the small scale. It's kind of like saying like steel
Speaker 3: doesn't bend. Yeah, if you have a piece of it
Speaker 3: this big, you'll probably snap it rather than bend it.
Speaker 3: But at a large enough scale it will absolutely shift
Speaker 3: and bend right percent.
Speaker 2: Like the like bridges, they're constantly swaying with the wind.
Speaker 2: There's always some kind of give with them. They have
Speaker 2: to actually build it that way to a line for
Speaker 2: that right.
Speaker 3: Ice is just solidified liquid, so it's going to shift,
Speaker 3: is going to bend. Couple that with the fact that
Speaker 3: they are doing stuff that produces heat underneath this ice sheet.
Speaker 3: It only adds to the flexibility of the ice and
Speaker 3: it became untenable. But we're going to get to that
Speaker 3: more in a minute. Tons of hazardous ways, however, were
Speaker 3: left behind, including fifty three thousand gallons of diesel fuel,
Speaker 3: sixty three thousand gallons of wastewater including sewage, as well
Speaker 3: as unknown amounts of low level radioactive coolant from the reactor,
Speaker 3: according to estimates by the University of Colorado's Bolder Cooperative
Speaker 3: Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences.
Speaker 5: God, that's a mouthful.
Speaker 3: This video actually is a restored classified film to talk
Speaker 3: about Camp Century. We're not going to play the whole thing,
Speaker 3: it's like thirty minutes long, but we are going to
Speaker 3: play a portion of it more towards the end of
Speaker 3: the episode, so stand by for that one. But anyway,
Speaker 3: A study published in twenty sixteen also suggests the site
Speaker 3: might contain toxic pollutants, such as a polycl chlorinated by
Speaker 3: phenols or what will later refer to as PCBs. Now
Speaker 3: scientists are concerned that the Earth's rising temperatures might melt
Speaker 3: the ice covering Camp Sentry and expose the waste. There
Speaker 3: is a direct quote here. When we looked at the
Speaker 3: climate simulations, they suggest that rather than perpetual snowfall, it
Speaker 3: seems as early as twenty ninety the site could transition
Speaker 3: from net snowfall to net melt. That's William Colgan, a
Speaker 3: climate and glacier scientist at the York University and co
Speaker 3: author of the twenty sixteen study. He said in a
Speaker 3: statement at the time, once the site transitions from net
Speaker 3: snowfall to net melt, it's only a matter of time
Speaker 3: before the waste melts out it becomes irreversible. God Camp
Speaker 3: Centry has been detected by previous airborne surveys, but those
Speaker 3: radars have produced two dimensional maps without much detail, per
Speaker 3: the statement.
Speaker 5: When spotted by the team in April.
Speaker 3: However, NASA's uavsa R, which is the Uninhabited Aerial Vehicle
Speaker 3: Synthetic Aperture Radar. This is the same radar that they
Speaker 3: used to claim that they found those things under the
Speaker 3: Pyramids of Gizon. But I Digress mounted on the belly
Speaker 3: of the plane provided a map with more dimensionally and
Speaker 3: pre than previously data. God I'm having an issue reading
Speaker 3: this morning.
Speaker 6: Hey.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny though, speaking of that that UA
Speaker 2: V S A R. The like penetrating rays that they're
Speaker 2: trying to send in to see what the structure is
Speaker 2: on the inside.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: They recently just did that with the the Devil's Tower
Speaker 2: that they claim is not a tree, right, yep. And
Speaker 2: they found that there were that there were some kind
Speaker 2: of temples inside that that there were some kind of
Speaker 2: like opening chambers on the inside of Devil's Tower. And
Speaker 2: now if you hear, you know, natives talk about it
Speaker 2: on that land, they'll say, dude, don't go there because they'll,
Speaker 2: you know, they they think that it's evil, that that's
Speaker 2: where a lot of like bad things were going on.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's where a lot of rituals were going on,
Speaker 2: maybe some skin walker type shit or whatever. Right, And
Speaker 2: the idea is is that maybe inside of these chambers
Speaker 2: is where they were essentially doing these rituals and everything.
Speaker 3: But I find it fascinating that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, whether it is in it, you know, an extremely
Speaker 2: ancient tree, or if it is just a weird looking
Speaker 2: fucking mountain or whatever, right that there is there seems
Speaker 2: to be some kind of chambers in there. That's I
Speaker 2: don't know, man, Like, that's what I'm saying. I think
Speaker 2: that our history we don't know shit about fuck about
Speaker 2: our history.
Speaker 3: And it's unfortunate because Bear Tower, huh, because they thought
Speaker 3: that a giant bear was like scratching at it to
Speaker 3: get to the dudes on top or whatever.
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know, but it's interesting because you know,
Speaker 2: what happens is is that And this is what we've
Speaker 2: been discovering over the past five years that we've been
Speaker 2: doing this show, is that, you know, the the victors
Speaker 2: write the history right, like they're the ones that tell
Speaker 2: you what happened in the past. But the problem with
Speaker 2: that is is that what the most of the time
Speaker 2: the victors, right, you know, it's always the good guys,
Speaker 2: But most of the time the victors that go in
Speaker 2: and they're rewriting the history, it's because they don't even
Speaker 2: necessarily know the history, so they're rewriting it to their
Speaker 2: vantage point in some aspects, because they'll go into a
Speaker 2: certain land completely rape and pillage and burn everything down,
Speaker 2: and now all of the ancient history has been burned
Speaker 2: to a crisp and there's no more.
Speaker 3: We don't know anything anymore.
Speaker 2: Right, And so whenever we think that we got it
Speaker 2: all figured out, it's like, dude, I even now we
Speaker 2: don't have it figured out.
Speaker 3: Imagine, like, think about what's going on.
Speaker 2: Over in Russia and Ukraine and Palestine and Israel and
Speaker 2: all these other places that probably have history on top
Speaker 2: of history on top of history. All of that is
Speaker 2: going to be lost, Like it is all going to
Speaker 2: be gone, just as far as documented history goes, not
Speaker 2: only with all of the books and everything that was
Speaker 2: written maybe the scribes and the tablets and all this
Speaker 2: other shit, but the people along with it that aren't
Speaker 2: going to be around to carry on that information anymore. Therefore,
Speaker 2: the victor will have the advantage to say, yeah, these
Speaker 2: were just cavemen. I mean, they just weren't advanced, you know,
Speaker 2: and here they were just playing around with hammer and chisel,
Speaker 2: you know, that's all they that's all they had. Meanwhile,
Speaker 2: we have fucking pyramids that we still don't understand, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. There's so not even just pyramids,
Speaker 2: but so many more things that we have no fucking
Speaker 2: clue about. And it's like, you know, it's it's unfortunate
Speaker 2: that every like that war just never stops. Like, I'm
Speaker 2: so fucking sick of all of this, And you see,
Speaker 2: like who actually benefits from all this? Like, honestly, who
Speaker 2: benefits from us going and sending people over here and
Speaker 2: sending people over there, and sending billions of dollars of
Speaker 2: our tax dollars? Right, dual citizenship every fucking where. It's like,
Speaker 2: it doesn't benefit me, it doesn't benefit you.
Speaker 3: You might think it's the economy. I mean, America is
Speaker 3: a warring tribe, dude. We've only been at peace for
Speaker 3: like I think at this point now it's like thirteen
Speaker 3: or fifteen years of our entire two hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: year existence.
Speaker 5: There's a reason for that.
Speaker 2: I'll believe that it benefits my economy whenever all of
Speaker 2: this shit is going on and we're kind of sticking
Speaker 2: our nose in where it doesn't necessarily belong.
Speaker 3: You know, I'll believe it whenever these wars are over.
Speaker 2: And I guarantee you all the prices of everything will
Speaker 2: continue to skyrocket. So at that point, you can't say
Speaker 2: that it's benefiting the economy.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, Look I'm not trying to take the
Speaker 3: warmongering stance here. I'm saying like, for instance, the twenty
Speaker 3: two year war in Iraq and Afghanistan that did not
Speaker 3: benefit us. Now, if we would have gotten in and
Speaker 3: out of there in five years, yeah, that would have
Speaker 3: benefited us for sure. Quick wars, oh, that benefits America greatly.
Speaker 3: But as Sun Su said, no nation has ever benefited
Speaker 3: from a prolonged war ever. And once you get to
Speaker 3: about the five six seven year mark, it starts to
Speaker 3: the pros completely go downs grade and the cons go up.
Speaker 3: You go twenty years in a conflict that there's no
Speaker 3: way unless you're on some sort of a conquest vibe
Speaker 3: and you're trying to like take over more land and
Speaker 3: grow your territory. That is the only way that that
Speaker 3: helps your economy and your people. But even still it's
Speaker 3: not tenable, Like over time, you're going to grow to
Speaker 3: a size that you can't maintain and you'll collapse in
Speaker 3: on yourself. That's how society has been done since the
Speaker 3: beginning of time. So it's got to be quick things.
Speaker 2: You've maintained that same kind of ideology that war is
Speaker 2: good for economy. What do you actually mean by that.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's not just think about it, not
Speaker 3: just in a modern day, right, think about it as
Speaker 3: far as as far back as humankind is concerned. War
Speaker 3: is good for a society. It is not good for
Speaker 3: the people. It is not good for the places that
Speaker 3: are war torn. It's not good for the people that
Speaker 3: are living in the city that's being besieged in all
Speaker 3: these things. Absolutely can agree with that, but that's not
Speaker 3: how history is written. Like you just said, history is
Speaker 3: written by the victors. And whenever you have a country
Speaker 3: or a nation, or a society or civilization whatever that
Speaker 3: is on the warpath that has nothing but victory, victory, victory, victory,
Speaker 3: they're going to write down that we had a golden
Speaker 3: age during this time and all these things. Right, And
Speaker 3: if you look at it, the best technological advancements have
Speaker 3: only ever been made because of warfare. And I don't
Speaker 3: mean missiles, and I don't mean guns, I mean medical,
Speaker 3: I mean electronic, I mean satellites, I mean all these things.
Speaker 3: All of this was done specifically because there was a
Speaker 3: war going on and the country that had it needed
Speaker 3: something better than their competitor had. That's the only time
Speaker 3: that's ever actually advanced to human civilization. So you're saying
Speaker 3: that war is good for inventions. War brings out the
Speaker 3: best and worst of mankind, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I don't know if that necessarily suggests that it's good
Speaker 2: for the economy though, because the economy, it's like good
Speaker 2: for the stock market and good for creating hundreds of
Speaker 2: thousands of jobs and pulling people out of poverty and
Speaker 2: you know, just the better overall, even like fucking mental
Speaker 2: health of the people, right, Like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I agree with all that.
Speaker 5: Some yes, some know.
Speaker 3: And again I'm not speaking on this as some sort
Speaker 3: of expert. Okay, I've done my studying into this for
Speaker 3: sure as a As a I guess I could call
Speaker 3: myself a amateur historian here. But yeah, whenever there's a
Speaker 3: war going on, the homeless can in fact enlist. Right,
Speaker 3: the people that are in abject poverty have more opportunities
Speaker 3: for advancement within going into the military. Now, I'm not
Speaker 3: saying as far as mental health is concerned, PTSD is
Speaker 3: a motherfucker and has been for a very very very
Speaker 3: long time. And I'm gonna be honest with you too,
Speaker 3: And this is a complete side tangent from Project ice Worm,
Speaker 3: but I'm here for it. I think that PTSD didn't
Speaker 3: used to be a thing in the ancient world to
Speaker 3: some scale, yes, But what I mean by that is like,
Speaker 3: all right, let's say you're a part of a Roman legion,
Speaker 3: you know, and you're on the war path. You're going
Speaker 3: into Germania and doing these things. The war is over,
Speaker 3: you served out your time cool you have like a
Speaker 3: three to six month walk back home. And that three
Speaker 3: to six months are with the guys that you just
Speaker 3: were side by side sweating and bleeding and dying with.
Speaker 3: So you didn't get on a plane and in one
Speaker 3: week you're expected to be home and handle the wife
Speaker 3: and kids and the dog and take out the trash
Speaker 3: and do this and this. Like, dude, a month ago,
Speaker 3: this guy was getting shot at and they were shit
Speaker 3: blowing up all around him, and now he's supposed to
Speaker 3: just assimilate to his normal nine to five pace. That's
Speaker 3: a hard transition to make. Back in the ancient times,
Speaker 3: you had a three month cool down period where your
Speaker 3: guys that lived that with you were able to decompress
Speaker 3: as a unit, right, You were able to share these
Speaker 3: stories and had that experience and had that emotional let
Speaker 3: down to the point where when you got home you
Speaker 3: were good and ever since modern technology happened. Cut two
Speaker 3: World War One, we had dudes come from America go
Speaker 3: over to Germany. Once it was all said and done,
Speaker 3: within like a month, they're back home and they're expected
Speaker 3: to just get back to the cornfield and do their thing.
Speaker 3: It's like, bro, we were getting gassed in trenches a
Speaker 3: fucking month ago. How am I supposed to get over
Speaker 3: here and start just harvest him acorn?
Speaker 5: Like, give me a fucking minute here. There's I'm saying that.
Speaker 3: Throughout the course of human history, warfare, although it has
Speaker 3: always been horrible and always been brutal, there was a
Speaker 3: letdown period, if you will, that would naturally happen just
Speaker 3: in the guys coming home from war these days. I mean, fuck,
Speaker 3: you get guys that they're on the plane, like the
Speaker 3: pull out of Afghanistan and Kabul. These dudes that were
Speaker 3: getting shot at and blown up in all this now
Speaker 3: they're just back home and like that's just that's just
Speaker 3: how it is.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 3: Just turn that shit off in your mind, just flip
Speaker 3: a switch, and it's like, brother, the human mind doesn't
Speaker 3: do it like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's like, you know, I don't know if they
Speaker 2: ever called it PTSD way back then, but it was
Speaker 2: more of it.
Speaker 3: We just to call it shell shot shell shock. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what.
Speaker 2: Actually, just to bring in a different thought here, just
Speaker 2: as far as war benefiting the economy, turns out that
Speaker 2: that's actually a myth. If you allow me to share
Speaker 2: the screen, I have a really good article that I
Speaker 2: got pulled up here. And I know this is a
Speaker 2: complete side tangent and everything, but I look, I'm somebody
Speaker 2: I've always said that I am anti war.
Speaker 3: I will never be pro war.
Speaker 2: I don't think that it benefits anybody outside of the
Speaker 2: fucking military industrial complex. I don't even think that it
Speaker 2: necessarily benefits the fucking government, to be honest with you,
Speaker 2: because I think that the militarim goes unless the government
Speaker 2: is the military industrial complex, you know, which, you know,
Speaker 2: it's contracts and all this other shit.
Speaker 3: You know, it kind of gets together.
Speaker 5: I think they're locked in on that one.
Speaker 3: But yeah, right right.
Speaker 2: So this is from ThoughtCo dot com and it says
Speaker 2: are wars good for the economy? One economic theory explains
Speaker 2: why wars don't help. So one of the more enduring
Speaker 2: myths in Western society is that wars are somehow good
Speaker 2: for the economy. Many people see a great deal of
Speaker 2: evidence to support this myth. After all, World War two
Speaker 2: came directly after a great depression and seemed to cure it.
Speaker 2: This faulty belief stems from a misunderstanding of the economic
Speaker 2: way of thinking. The standard a in quotes a war
Speaker 2: gives the economy a boost. Argument goes as follows. Suppose
Speaker 2: the economy is on the low end of the business cycle,
Speaker 2: so we're in a recession or just a period of
Speaker 2: low economic growth. When the unemployment rate is high, people
Speaker 2: make People may make fewer purchases than they did a
Speaker 2: year or two ago, and the overall output is flat.
Speaker 2: But then the country decides to prepare for war. The
Speaker 2: government needs to equip it soldiers with extra gear and munitions.
Speaker 2: Corporations with win contracts to supply boots, bombs, and vehicles
Speaker 2: to the army. Many of these companies will have to
Speaker 2: hire extra workers to meet increased production. If the war
Speaker 2: preparations are substantial enough, large numbers of workers will be hired,
Speaker 2: reducing the unemployment rate. Other workers might be hired to
Speaker 2: cover reservists in private sector jobs who get sent overseas
Speaker 2: with the unemployment rate down. More people are spending again,
Speaker 2: and people who had jobs before will be less worried
Speaker 2: about losing their jobs, so they'll spend more than they did.
Speaker 2: This extra spending will help the retail sector, which will
Speaker 2: need to hire extra employees, causing un deployment to drop
Speaker 2: even further. So a spiral of positive economic activity is
Speaker 2: created by the government preparing for war. So the preparation
Speaker 2: for war might help. But then there's this thing called
Speaker 2: the broken window fallacy, which I thought was pretty interesting,
Speaker 2: says The flawed logic of the story is an example
Speaker 2: of something economists called the broken window fallacy, which is
Speaker 2: illustrated Henry in Henry Hazlit's Economics and One Lesson book.
Speaker 2: Haslet's example is a van is of a vandal throwing
Speaker 2: a brick through a shoekeeper's window or the shopkeeper window.
Speaker 2: The shopkeeper will have to purchase a new window from
Speaker 2: a glass shop for say two hundred and fifty bucks.
Speaker 2: People who see the broken window decide that the broken
Speaker 2: window may have positive benefits. After all, if windows are
Speaker 2: never broken, what would happen to the glass business. Then,
Speaker 2: of course the thing is endless. The glacier will will
Speaker 2: have two hundred fifty dollars more to spend with other merchants,
Speaker 2: and these, in turn we'll have two hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: dollars to spend with other still other merchants, and so
Speaker 2: ad infinitum, the sure.
Speaker 3: Go down economics.
Speaker 2: Essentially, this smash window will go on, providing money and
Speaker 2: employment and even widening circles. The logical conclusion from all
Speaker 2: of this would be that the little hoodlum that threw
Speaker 2: the brick, far from being a public menace, was a
Speaker 2: public benefactor. The crowd is correct in believing that that
Speaker 2: the local glass shop will benefit from this act of vandalism.
Speaker 2: They have not considered, however, that the shopkeeper would have
Speaker 2: spent the two hundred and fifty dollars on something else
Speaker 2: if he didn't have to replace the window. He might
Speaker 2: have been saving that money for a new set of
Speaker 2: golf clubs. But since he now has spent the money,
Speaker 2: the golf shop has lost a sale. He might have
Speaker 2: used the money to purchase a sale of new equipment
Speaker 2: for business, or to take a vacation, or to buy
Speaker 2: new clothing. So the glass store's gain is another store's loss.
Speaker 2: There hasn't been a net gain in economic activity. In fact,
Speaker 2: there has been a decline in the economy. So instead
Speaker 2: of the shopkeeper having a window for two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty dollars, he now has a he now has merely
Speaker 2: a window. Or, as he was planning to buy the
Speaker 2: suit that very afternoon, instead of having both a window
Speaker 2: and a suit. He must be content with the window
Speaker 2: or the suit if we think of him as part
Speaker 2: of the community. The community has lost a new suit
Speaker 2: that might otherwise have come into being and is just
Speaker 2: that much poorer. So it kind of goes on in
Speaker 2: that way, and so it says why war doesn't benefit
Speaker 2: the economy. So from the broken window fallacy, it's easy
Speaker 2: to see why a war won't benefit the economy. The
Speaker 2: extra money spent on this war is money that will
Speaker 2: not be spent elsewhere. The war can be funded in
Speaker 2: a combination of three ways by increasing taxes, decrease spending
Speaker 2: in other areas, and increasing the debt. Increasing taxes reduces
Speaker 2: consumer spending, which does not help the economy improve. Suppose
Speaker 2: we decrease government spending on social programs. First, we've lost
Speaker 2: the benefits that those social programs provide. The recipients of
Speaker 2: those programs will now have less money to spend, so
Speaker 2: the economy will decline as a whole. Increasing the debt
Speaker 2: means that will either have to decrease spending or increase
Speaker 2: taxes in the future. Plus there are all those interest
Speaker 2: payments in the meantime. If you're not convinced, imagine that
Speaker 2: instead of dropping bombs, the Army was dropping refrigerators in
Speaker 2: the ocean. The Army could get the refrigerator in one
Speaker 2: of two ways. They could get every American to give
Speaker 2: them fifty dollars to pay for the fridges, or the
Speaker 2: Army could come to your house and take your fridge.
Speaker 2: Does anyone seriously believe there would be an economic benefit
Speaker 2: to the first choice, as far as them just taking
Speaker 2: fifty dollars from every American.
Speaker 3: So now you have fifty dollars less to spend on
Speaker 3: other goods, and the price of fridges will likely increase
Speaker 3: due to the added demand, so you'd lose twice. If
Speaker 3: you were planning on buying a new fridge, the appliance
Speaker 3: manufacturers would love it, and the Army might have fun
Speaker 3: filing the or filling the Atlantic with frigid airs, but
Speaker 3: this would not outweigh the harm done to every American
Speaker 3: who is out fifty dollars and all the stores that
Speaker 3: will experience a decline in sales due to the decline
Speaker 3: and consumer disposable income. So it says what it's a
Speaker 3: it's a good example. It's a it's not.
Speaker 5: It's a horrible example.
Speaker 3: No fridge costs fifty dollars, so like right off the
Speaker 3: rat No. No, I hear what they're trying to say, though,
Speaker 3: take it from fifty and make it six hundred or
Speaker 3: whatever the current fridges go for.
Speaker 5: Here, I hear what they're saying.
Speaker 3: But they don't increase taxes when wars go down, and
Speaker 3: they don't take it from social programs either. They have
Speaker 3: a literal budget for the War Department who does these things.
Speaker 3: Where's that money? Oh, it comes from taxes, don't get
Speaker 3: me wrong. Yes, but they don't increase taxes to make
Speaker 3: that happen. Oh, I mean, that's exactly what I mean.
Speaker 3: So if you think about it, there is a budget
Speaker 3: that they pull from as far as the taxes every
Speaker 3: single year, right, and depending on who the president is
Speaker 3: at that time, we'll say we are increasing the budget
Speaker 3: for this, which therefore means we're going to have to
Speaker 3: lower and decrease the budget, the budget for something else.
Speaker 3: This was the whole scam of fucking dose in the beginning, Right,
Speaker 3: we're cutting off foreign spending and using it on America. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: No, it's it's good in theory, except none of that
Speaker 2: pasted like it was all a scam.
Speaker 3: None of it came to fruition.
Speaker 2: Elon Musk decided to part ways with fucking Trump, right,
Speaker 2: and whether depending on what you believe.
Speaker 3: About that whole situation. I'm not talking about that drama, right.
Speaker 2: But the idea is is that Trump was constantly trying
Speaker 2: to just fuel and fuel and fuel the military budget.
Speaker 2: And you know, look, I'm I'm I'm for a decent
Speaker 2: sized military budget. Look, if it keeps us safe, if
Speaker 2: it keeps us, you know, from from having other countries'
Speaker 2: boots on the ground here, that's totally fine. But the
Speaker 2: problem is is that whenever you keep on funding all
Speaker 2: of this, you know, look, whenever, whenever you're a fucking hammer,
Speaker 2: everything you see as a nail. And so now if
Speaker 2: you have that big old fat dick in your back pocket,
Speaker 2: you're just looking for something to fuck, you know, And
Speaker 2: I think that that's what America is really good at
Speaker 2: We are really good at sticking our nose and other
Speaker 2: people's business that we don't necessarily need to.
Speaker 3: But hey we can.
Speaker 2: We have the budget, we have the money, and the
Speaker 2: American people are dumb enough they keep on giving us
Speaker 2: their fucking tax money and they don't see any benefit
Speaker 2: from it.
Speaker 3: That's my issue. But once again, if it's a prolonged war, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's not good for anybody. Korean War, we were involved
Speaker 3: with that for three years. That helped us a bit.
Speaker 3: And I'm not going to use World War Two as
Speaker 3: an example because that was in and of itself. That
Speaker 3: situation is not something that we'll ever get to again. Hopefully,
Speaker 3: good God knock on wood on that shit. But so
Speaker 3: we were coming out of a Great Depression, right, We
Speaker 3: had no jobs. Now all of a sudden, all the
Speaker 3: men are going off and fighting and we need chips,
Speaker 3: we need tanks, we need bullets, we need this. So
Speaker 3: there was a lot of industry that was moving that
Speaker 3: we didn't need ten years prior during the Great Depression. Okay,
Speaker 3: So like that was a situation to where yes, the
Speaker 3: war did help us get out of the Great Depression.
Speaker 5: And then once the war was over.
Speaker 3: Any country that was worth the fuck on an industrial
Speaker 3: scale was bombed to shit.
Speaker 5: So we were the only.
Speaker 3: Country left standing that had any kind of real foothold
Speaker 3: in the industrial space. So now everybody had to buy
Speaker 3: from us, So it boosted our economy even more and more,
Speaker 3: and only consumers. Well, now, yes, because the fifties. But
Speaker 3: my point is this is that wasn't that one specific
Speaker 3: example is not the one example that I go.
Speaker 5: To as far as how war is good for the economy.
Speaker 3: All right, okay, I'll.
Speaker 2: Give you an idea here, just a little a little
Speaker 2: thought process here. Let's say that there is Sally Sue
Speaker 2: living in Idaho on Main Street. Bumfuck nowhere, Idaho, right,
Speaker 2: and and the country decides to go to war with
Speaker 2: I don't know, let's name some wild country.
Speaker 3: Let's just say fucking France.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: Let's say we decided to go to war with France
Speaker 2: for one reason or another. Maybe they decided to poke
Speaker 2: the bear, and the bear woke up out of fucking hibernation.
Speaker 2: Was like, I guess the fuck not right, And so
Speaker 2: we started dropping the fucking hammer on France and is
Speaker 2: dropping the hammer on us. And it's a grueling battle, right,
Speaker 2: and no telling how long this is going to go.
Speaker 2: But initially you know it's it's actually it's absolutely kicking off. Right,
Speaker 2: How does what is going on in that war benefit
Speaker 2: Sally Sue that is living in bumfuck Nowheresville, Idaho.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you an example. Look at Desert Storm.
Speaker 3: Now here's the issue. When politics get involved with warfare,
Speaker 3: it is never to the benefit of anyone, ever, ever, ever, ever. Okay.
Speaker 3: That's why Afghanistan Iraq lasted twenty years. It's why Vietnam
Speaker 3: lasted nineteen years. Okay, Desert Storm was wrapped up in
Speaker 3: like two weeks. We had taken over the entire country,
Speaker 3: a massive oil producing country, in about two weeks, and
Speaker 3: we benefited from that greatly for the next ten years.
Speaker 2: How did Sally Su benefit from that? Just by the
Speaker 2: oil prices going down?
Speaker 3: And when you think of oil prices going down also,
Speaker 3: it's not just like at the pump. A lot of
Speaker 3: our plastics are made from oil price. A lot of
Speaker 3: our industry is reliant upon fossil fuels from the ground.
Speaker 3: I know the term fossil fuels is silly, I get that,
Speaker 3: But beside the point that all plays in right, So
Speaker 3: us taking a quick hit somewhere actually helps us in
Speaker 3: the long run.
Speaker 5: So that is a thing that we can track sure out.
Speaker 2: But there's no guaranteeing that you're ever going to be
Speaker 2: in and out of a war like that. Like that
Speaker 2: is an exception, that's not the rule.
Speaker 5: No, But see, that's the thing.
Speaker 3: If politicians can keep their fucking noses out of military's business,
Speaker 3: it can do like that.
Speaker 5: It can be quick, that it can be effective.
Speaker 2: That's like saying you could smell better without your nose.
Speaker 2: Like it's you cannot remove politics from military like especially
Speaker 2: in this day and age. It is it's it's a
Speaker 2: fallacy to even think that that would be possible.
Speaker 3: It's been done, and that was in the nineties that
Speaker 3: Desert Storm happened. But again, before that, the Vietnam War,
Speaker 3: politics was heavily involved with the military, which is why
Speaker 3: it lasted nineteen years.
Speaker 5: There's ebbs and flows to this.
Speaker 3: I am not about prolonged wars, and I'm about America
Speaker 3: sticking their nose where it doesn't belong. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, there are so many conflicts going on around
Speaker 3: the world right now, and I don't mean country versus country,
Speaker 3: like for instance, what's going on in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Speaker 3: America should be nowhere near that. That is not our problem,
Speaker 3: and I agree with that. However, a warlord that's taking
Speaker 3: child slaves in Africa also not America's problem. But like, YO,
Speaker 3: give us two weeks, we could be in and out
Speaker 3: that bitch, and everybody would be better for the experience.
Speaker 3: I think that's a net positive overall, and it would
Speaker 3: help our military industrial complex, and it would help jobs,
Speaker 3: and it would help them. There's plenty of trash that
Speaker 3: needs to be cleaned up. We don't have to do
Speaker 3: things to the grandiose political scale that they've turned things
Speaker 3: into these days.
Speaker 2: Sure, but the problem is is that all right, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe old Sally Sue did benefit from that war at
Speaker 2: the pomp and on all products that contain some kind
Speaker 2: of petroleum whatever. Right, but let's say, you know it,
Speaker 2: it was a grand gesture and we only lost I
Speaker 2: don't know, let's just say we only lost five hundred
Speaker 2: people in that war, so you know, it's a greater
Speaker 2: sacrifice for you know, or for the benefit of an
Speaker 2: entire country. But one of those five hundred people was
Speaker 2: her son, right, Okay, Well, now, whenever she goes and
Speaker 2: she's paying at the pomp and she's do you think
Speaker 2: she's gonna be fucking stoked that she's paying at the
Speaker 2: pomp and knowing that her son is dead?
Speaker 4: Wait?
Speaker 3: Wait, her son volunteered. It's not nobody put a gun
Speaker 3: to his head and made him sign up. And if
Speaker 3: you join the military, you shouldn't want to stay home.
Speaker 3: Why the fuck would you join the military? Join join
Speaker 3: the police department. Like, if you're joining the military, you
Speaker 3: should want to deploy, you should want to see combat,
Speaker 3: you should want to go do stuff, which means there's
Speaker 3: an inherent risk of you losing your life. And if
Speaker 3: that's like jarring news to anybody, I hate to break
Speaker 3: it to you. That's literally the point of the military.
Speaker 3: Ah man. I just parents can feel how they want
Speaker 3: about that. But the child, the young adult, decided to
Speaker 3: sign on the dotted line.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, And that's what's really unfortunate about it,
Speaker 2: is that the military will accept eighteen year olds seventeen
Speaker 2: year olds, you know, seventeen, Like that's that should be
Speaker 2: fucking illegal. Like there is no way in hell that
Speaker 2: an eighteen year old or a seventeen year old has
Speaker 2: a developed enough mind to say I'm going to go
Speaker 2: risk my life because I believe in patriotism. Whenever, most
Speaker 2: times that people go to war, they are too young
Speaker 2: to comprehend just the everything all encompassing with war and
Speaker 2: who's to benefit. Most of the time, usually it's the
Speaker 2: big oil oligarchs. Usually it's the UH, it's the military
Speaker 2: industrial complex. Usually it has nothing to benefit. So it
Speaker 2: gets these kids, I mean you to name an example.
Speaker 2: It gets these kids to think like and believe in
Speaker 2: the in patriotic way. And we're fighting for America. You're
Speaker 2: not fighting for America. You're fighting for corporations. You're fighting
Speaker 2: for oil oligarchs, You're fighting for the fucking military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: You what you thought you were fighting for your country?
Speaker 2: You have now been duped. And I can't tell you
Speaker 2: how many times I've seen videos of you know, grown
Speaker 2: men that win, and you know, whether it was the
Speaker 2: Iraq and Afghanistan war or Iran or wherever. Right Like,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you how many times these people are
Speaker 2: fucking sick to their stomach and knowing that they went
Speaker 2: and fought and risked their lives for these fucking people.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, and I get that, but also you signed
Speaker 3: the contract. I have signed up to do this. And
Speaker 3: if he thought that you were gonna get involved in
Speaker 3: a war, if it was only defensive, again, your recruiter
Speaker 3: lied to you.
Speaker 5: You'll go where you're told to.
Speaker 3: Go because it's to the needs of the of the country,
Speaker 3: whatever those needs may be at this time. Even if
Speaker 3: you disagree with the war, Oh well I'm a conscientious objector,
Speaker 3: then get the fuck out of the military.
Speaker 5: Don't join.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but even you have said, like anybody that even
Speaker 2: thinks about joining the military, the Marine Corps in general,
Speaker 2: you're like, don't no.
Speaker 3: If you're trying to go and kill people, then, like,
Speaker 3: for sure, the Marine Corps is If you're trying to
Speaker 3: go and kill people, you got something fucking wrong in
Speaker 3: your head, Like when the entire Marine Corps has something
Speaker 3: wrong with it. That's why we joined the Marine Corps.
Speaker 3: Like it's not a joke, Like it's.
Speaker 2: It's like who wakes up and says, man, I really
Speaker 2: just fucking need to kill somebody today. I'm not even
Speaker 2: trying to sound like a fucking like a like a
Speaker 2: tearful heart kind of liberal and saying that I'm talking
Speaker 2: about humanely, like those people there needs to be like
Speaker 2: there's something wrong.
Speaker 3: Or is a blood cult. Like, yes, I've said this
Speaker 3: a million times. I'm not shy about this, proud of
Speaker 3: it is what it is. You need the pit bull
Speaker 3: to be let off the leash from time to time.
Speaker 3: That the Marine Corps is the pit bull. If you're
Speaker 3: looking for like the good family dog who joined the army,
Speaker 3: Like for sure, there's all kinds of careers and jobs
Speaker 3: and they treat you like a human.
Speaker 5: Being and like it's good stuff.
Speaker 3: If you're joining the Marine Corps, then like expect to
Speaker 3: have your life suck for the purpose of when you
Speaker 3: get let off off the leash.
Speaker 5: That's how this goes, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just a difference of opinion. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I get it. Yeah, you know, that's
Speaker 2: just how I process it in my mind. It just
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense, Nonna.
Speaker 3: I get that. I get that. And we're also looking
Speaker 3: at this on the micro scale of the individual. You
Speaker 3: have to look at warfare on the macro for the
Speaker 3: entire organization, for the entire department, for the entire nation,
Speaker 3: for the entire world, right, because warfare is a lot
Speaker 3: more than the quick skirmishes and the firefights that take place.
Speaker 3: It is so much more than the Ied attacks. It
Speaker 3: is so much more than the caskets coming back with
Speaker 3: flags on which me and my boys had to receive
Speaker 3: at Dover. As a matter of fact, I can't I've
Speaker 3: marched over a thousand funerals. Like I'm telling you, I
Speaker 3: know this inside and out. And that's the micro level.
Speaker 3: The macro is what is the long term ramifications on
Speaker 3: that area that is now a war zone? What is
Speaker 3: the long term ramifications on us as a nation for
Speaker 3: being involved in this in the first place. There's a
Speaker 3: lot of big picture stuff here. But back to the
Speaker 3: point that I was making. Any massive technological advancement in
Speaker 3: the last I would argue two thousand years was done
Speaker 3: for the principle of warfare.
Speaker 2: Well, thank god for war because it really it really
Speaker 2: advanced us in terms of surveillance, and you know that's
Speaker 2: what we really care about.
Speaker 3: Look at us right now, we're talking on the internet
Speaker 3: because of satellites, right That was all done because of
Speaker 3: the military industrial complex. That wasn't done for the better
Speaker 3: men of humanity. Electricity ran to our homes. I fuck,
Speaker 3: we could go into the realm of indoor plumbing as
Speaker 3: far as the Romans are concerned, same thing. They needed
Speaker 3: to get water to certain areas. Like it's there's there's
Speaker 3: levels upon levels of this that go from again the
Speaker 3: macro to the micro of how warfare is the only
Speaker 3: reason that we have any kind of modern comforts of
Speaker 3: our modern day and age.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think that that's a good enough reason.
Speaker 2: I think that, you know, probably eventually we would have
Speaker 2: stumbled across that as a as a breed of animal
Speaker 2: of the human that we are, we would have eventually
Speaker 2: gotten there, given another five hundred years, given another thousand years,
Speaker 2: Like okay, you know, like, do we absolutely need military? No,
Speaker 2: I'm not anti military. I'm anti war, So do we
Speaker 2: absolutely need war? I'm not anti farmers, but I'm anti garden?
Speaker 3: Like wait, what, No? No, I think that.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm I'm for defending your nation, like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna pro that.
Speaker 5: But I don't a good offense, is it not?
Speaker 3: And I don't agree with that.
Speaker 5: You play football.
Speaker 2: I played defense. I believe that the best. I believe
Speaker 2: that defense wins championships. Oh okay, I forgot, Yeah that's
Speaker 2: totally how that goes.
Speaker 3: What dude, luckstdowns are not scored by the defense unless
Speaker 3: the rare incasion of a fumble or an interception.
Speaker 2: Dog, dude, anybody that's watched a Steeler game knows that
Speaker 2: fucking defense wins championships. You ever heard of the fucking
Speaker 2: steel curtain, brother, I mean, yeah, you've only mentioned it
Speaker 2: a time or two. I'm just saying defense does when
Speaker 2: if you have a porous defense, you have a shit
Speaker 2: starting cornerback that can't cover anybody, your offense is going
Speaker 2: to have to try and outscore the like the worst
Speaker 2: game plan is thinking that your offense can win the
Speaker 2: game by just outscoring like that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you have to have both. You have to
Speaker 3: have a good offense and a good defense. Otherwise it's
Speaker 3: going to be a high scoring game where it's just
Speaker 3: I hope we can score more touchdowns and then before
Speaker 3: the time runs out. I'm with you one hundred percent.
Speaker 3: But you also have to have a good You have
Speaker 3: to have a defense. You absolutely have to have a
Speaker 3: good defense. But without a good offense, the defense is
Speaker 3: not going to win the game. That There's no way. Eventually,
Speaker 3: they will let one go, they will make a pass,
Speaker 3: they will whatever, and it might be a one to
Speaker 3: zero one touchdown to zero game. But at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, the offense has to do their job.
Speaker 3: The defense has to do their job. Absolutely, but you
Speaker 3: need both. I mean, there there is such a thing
Speaker 3: as a safety. There are such things as pick sixes.
Speaker 3: There's such games for touchdowns.
Speaker 5: That's the exception.
Speaker 3: If a defense score anything involving the defense scores a
Speaker 3: touchdown in a game, that is a rarity that might happen.
Speaker 3: Once again, there is exceptions. Yes, there's exceptions where there
Speaker 3: was like three pick sixes in the first half. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not denying that. But if you look at football
Speaker 3: as a game overall, the offense is the one that
Speaker 3: scores more touchdowns than the defense.
Speaker 5: It's not even like a close comparison.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: There have been games where like people have won three
Speaker 2: to nothing, ten to nothing, six to nothing, like, it
Speaker 2: has happened plenty of times.
Speaker 3: And it's usual.
Speaker 5: That's not a normal thing.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's only because the fucking league has gotten
Speaker 2: so pussified that we're not allowed to smash quarterbacks anymore.
Speaker 2: And so the idea is is that if your defense
Speaker 2: is good enough, it's going to rip apart in the offense.
Speaker 3: Like see dude, whenever I was so this is when the.
Speaker 5: Same thing in war. It's the same thing in war.
Speaker 3: It used to be we could get in there and
Speaker 3: funct shit up for three years and walk out of
Speaker 3: there and be done.
Speaker 5: Now because they've pussified.
Speaker 3: By they, I mean at the league, I mean, politicians
Speaker 3: have pussified and nerfed our military so much we get
Speaker 3: involved in twenty year hearts and minds campaigns that take
Speaker 3: away from everything. I agree with you one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think that I'm not even really trying to convince you.
Speaker 2: Of all, people like you joined the military. You're about
Speaker 2: that life. You think that it's a great thing to
Speaker 2: be like a fucking stone cold killer. I'm I disagree
Speaker 2: with that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I understand that, and there's people that give
Speaker 3: me shit because I never deployed. Keep in mind, I
Speaker 3: joined the infantry during time of war and my goal
Speaker 3: was to deploy, but the needs of the Marine Corps
Speaker 3: told me that I was going to DC.
Speaker 5: That's still my biggest life regret.
Speaker 3: But it's not up to you, though. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 3: it really was not. It got it was not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's all voluntary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my fucking ass, dude, how many voluntary things are
Speaker 3: there in the Marine Corps.
Speaker 2: But you know, and especially you hear about people going
Speaker 2: up to recruiters and they're like, yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: do this, I want to do that, and the recruiters
Speaker 2: like fucking pumping them up. I know that there's a
Speaker 2: spot open for you, and I know that you can
Speaker 2: do it. Just sign this line and I'll give you
Speaker 2: at least a ninety five percent chance that you're gonna
Speaker 2: get stationed over here and fucking Honolulu or some shit.
Speaker 2: Next thing, you know, you're in Vermont somewhere, you know,
Speaker 2: for the next few years.
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, it's your first school and you're like,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, electrician school.
Speaker 5: I signed up to be this.
Speaker 3: And it's like your recruiter fucked you. I don't know
Speaker 3: how else to tell you this, homie. Yeah. Yeah. Meanwhile,
Speaker 3: the recruiters laughing his way to the bank, you know,
Speaker 3: oh yeah, he's good. As long as he meets his quotas,
Speaker 3: he's fine. And it's not even like they get bonuses.
Speaker 3: They get reprimanded if they don't meet their quotas. Think
Speaker 3: about a car salesman who doesn't get a bonus or
Speaker 3: any kind of cut of the sale, he will like
Speaker 3: lose his job if he doesn't sell x amount of
Speaker 3: cars and it's like maybe two cars a month or
Speaker 3: whatever the case is, it's relatively low. But if he
Speaker 3: doesn't meet that, like he's fired and no other car
Speaker 3: company will hire him again, no lot will hire him again,
Speaker 3: Like his entire livelihood depends on him doing the very
Speaker 3: basis of what his job is.
Speaker 5: Right, that the recruiters are a salesman.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the thing, Like, you know, if you're
Speaker 2: going to be working for the car company, you would
Speaker 2: much rather be inside in the air conditioning. Just the
Speaker 2: most amount of work is your wrist, you know, moving
Speaker 2: around the pen a little bit, rather than being outside
Speaker 2: working on car berators in one hundred and twenty degrees and.
Speaker 3: No shade or and you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: And so I get why people would much rather be
Speaker 2: a recruiter than out there in the field.
Speaker 5: But now back to the point.
Speaker 3: Most of our medical innovations, and I don't mean big pharma,
Speaker 3: I mean like surgery and medical innovations were created and
Speaker 3: developed because of things that happen on battlefields. Most of
Speaker 3: our travel and logistics, trains, planes, cars.
Speaker 5: Trains, planes, and homobiles.
Speaker 3: All of this has been advanced because of warfare, right, Hell,
Speaker 3: even our postal service was advanced to the level that
Speaker 3: it is now because of warfare. Again, it's an uncomfortable truth,
Speaker 3: and I understand why people have so much trepidation and
Speaker 3: strong opinions towards warfare. I completely get it, I do.
Speaker 3: But throughout the course of human history, nothing has been
Speaker 3: more decisive and divisive, to be fair, as warfare, to
Speaker 3: settle disputes, to advance medicine, to advance technology, to advance
Speaker 3: transportation and logistics, to advance anything that has led to
Speaker 3: refrigeration even and you're right, maybe in another five hundred
Speaker 3: years thousand years, we as a society would have developed
Speaker 3: these things on our own. But think about this, take
Speaker 3: away America for a second. Let's go three hundred years
Speaker 3: in the past. When a king needed some scientific development
Speaker 3: to be made, he was throwing funding into it for
Speaker 3: a purpose. It typically wasn't for the shits and gigs
Speaker 3: of it. Maybe some of it was to flex there's
Speaker 3: that for sure, but more often than not, he would
Speaker 3: be hiring these scientists for lack of better words, they
Speaker 3: probably called them something else at that time. For the
Speaker 3: principle of warfare, that's the basis of it, man, That's
Speaker 3: the way it's always gone, the only way we've had
Speaker 3: any real advancements anyway. Yeah, there's some examples of some
Speaker 3: stuff that was done from nonprofits and you know, labs
Speaker 3: that weren't being funded by the government. There is examples,
Speaker 3: for sure, but it's not a close comparison. Like the
Speaker 3: same thing we just talked about, how the defense can
Speaker 3: win a game by points alone. That is the rarity,
Speaker 3: not the rule. Typically, throughout the course of human history,
Speaker 3: the majority, vast majority of technological advancements had been made
Speaker 3: because of warfare as a con instant spurring on, if
Speaker 3: you will, And that's where the funding goes. That's why
Speaker 3: the research gets done in certain areas, because who's got
Speaker 3: the biggest checkbook, Who's.
Speaker 5: Going to fund this research the most? You see what
Speaker 5: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you can kind of really take
Speaker 2: that a bunch of different ways. Like if you look
Speaker 2: and I just looked up the total amount that we
Speaker 2: spent on the Iraq War, which was a twenty year war,
Speaker 2: there were nine hundred thousand people that died. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's on all sides or if that's.
Speaker 3: Just we lost like seven thousand, they lost like four
Speaker 3: hundred thousand or something.
Speaker 5: Crazy.
Speaker 3: Well, this is from Brown Brown College, but uh, I
Speaker 3: think it's Berkeley, the two biggest liberal fucking hubs in
Speaker 3: the nation. But all right, I think it's saying in
Speaker 3: total nine hundred thousand people. Whatever the number of deaths is,
Speaker 3: let's just talk about the number here. So it says
Speaker 3: a report from the Cost of War Project at Brown
Speaker 3: University revealed that twenty years of post nine to eleven
Speaker 3: wars have cost the US and estimated eight trillion dollars.
Speaker 3: So you want to talk about like the amount of
Speaker 3: money that is being spent on these endeavors. Right again,
Speaker 3: Prolonged wars are never good, dude. If we would have
Speaker 3: gotten in and out in three, possibly five years, we
Speaker 3: would be having a completely different conversation.
Speaker 2: So where is that money better spent? Is it better
Speaker 2: spent on a I don't know, on a fucking whatever,
Speaker 2: like some guns or some bombs, or some helicopters, some
Speaker 2: fucking aircraft whatever.
Speaker 3: Is it better spent on that?
Speaker 2: As far as just up, I don't know, like helping
Speaker 2: the economy, or imagine that eight trillion dollars somehow infused
Speaker 2: into the economy. Maybe you take that eight trillion dollars
Speaker 2: and say, you know what, American people, I mean.
Speaker 3: This is a fucking pipe dreaming. It will never happen.
Speaker 2: But if you say, look, we got this extra eight
Speaker 2: trillion dollars, We're not going to charge your taxes for
Speaker 2: the next three years, Like.
Speaker 3: Let's just throw it out there.
Speaker 2: Imagine how much that would stimulate the economy. Imagine how
Speaker 2: much that would stimulate growth. Imagine how much that would
Speaker 2: benefit literally every single household. But no, and I'm I
Speaker 2: don't know if three years would be enough. Let's just
Speaker 2: say one year for shits and gigs, But imagine how
Speaker 2: much that would help, you know what I mean. So
Speaker 2: you can make the argument the war is good for
Speaker 2: the economy, the war is good for people. But imagine
Speaker 2: if we weren't so fucking focused on just like this
Speaker 2: barbaric acts of annihilating people that we disagree with, Like
Speaker 2: it is crazy, we could be so far in the future.
Speaker 2: We should be living in the fucking Jetson's life right now. Bro,
Speaker 2: Like that's what I'm trying to say, like, we should
Speaker 2: be living so far advanced, and if you look over
Speaker 2: at other countries as far as their advancement goes, dude,
Speaker 2: we are in the shitter like we are. We're nowhere
Speaker 2: near advanced as a lot of other countries. If you
Speaker 2: really like got it. Name three, China's pretty fucking advanced.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's talk about China in their quote unquote advancement.
Speaker 3: They can't feed their fucking people. The fact that America
Speaker 3: put tariffs on Soy, they are having massive starvation.
Speaker 2: That's a that's a communist thing. I'm talking about just
Speaker 2: the actual country itself. If you look there, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: talking about like.
Speaker 5: And they have taken from us and that's been confirmed.
Speaker 3: Well it's unfortunate because you look around. I don't fucking
Speaker 3: see any of that around here, dude, any starvation I know?
Speaker 5: Praise God.
Speaker 3: Oh man, Okay, Now what technology does China have that
Speaker 3: we don't?
Speaker 5: Bro? What are you talking about?
Speaker 2: I mean, have you looked, like, yes, like the technology dude,
Speaker 2: the shit that they have over there is like what
Speaker 2: light years ahead of what we have.
Speaker 5: You are very very mistaken.
Speaker 3: Name one thing that they had that we don't due.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not mistaken. I've seen videos of people going
Speaker 2: over there and saying, oh my god, everything that we
Speaker 2: were taught about China is totally wrong.
Speaker 3: Now. Communism sucks.
Speaker 2: I'm not even talking about that note, I'm talking about
Speaker 2: just the fucking well being, Like the city infrastructures, I mean,
Speaker 2: the fucking electric grid, everything is like so much more advanced.
Speaker 3: Of China still heats their home with coal pellets. When
Speaker 3: the Beijing Olympics took down over there, when Michael Phelps
Speaker 3: is over there in Beijing, they had to actually let
Speaker 3: people freeze so that they could clean up the air
Speaker 3: enough to not let the fucking smog of the of
Speaker 3: the city be as pollutant as it is. The entire
Speaker 3: city looks like it has fog twenty four to seven
Speaker 3: from the coal smoke. What are you talking about? Beijing,
Speaker 3: that's the capital city of China, that's their main hub.
Speaker 5: Dude.
Speaker 3: That's like somebody saying, well, look how shitty America is
Speaker 3: doing just by looking at DC, Like, that's not a
Speaker 3: fair assessment. You cannot compare DC to Beijing, or New
Speaker 3: York City to Beijing. It is not even a fucking
Speaker 3: apples to apples comparison, New York City is doing leaps
Speaker 3: and bounds better even with all.
Speaker 5: Of their trash and shit.
Speaker 3: Then Beijing is doing just on pollution alone. Wow, electrical
Speaker 3: grid bro According to according to Information Technology and Innovation Foundation,
Speaker 3: there's an article that says, wake up America, China is
Speaker 3: overtaking the United States and innovation capacity. So like overtaking it. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's because they hold the reins. As far as
Speaker 3: the precious minerals is concerned.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about the most technologically advanced countries,
Speaker 2: we are in literally the middle of the pack. This
Speaker 2: is coming from World Populationreview dot com. Now you consider
Speaker 2: and say that all these websites are fake news and
Speaker 2: they're liberal leaning or whatever, like how do you how
Speaker 2: do we know what the fuck is real? Or whatever?
Speaker 2: Right like?
Speaker 3: And so you have dude, even like China, like it's
Speaker 3: talk about time about is India ahead of us on
Speaker 3: that list? And this will be a really good comparison,
Speaker 3: no far as it's not.
Speaker 2: No, no, And I'm not saying that we're at the bottom.
Speaker 2: We're actually towards the top. But there are three there
Speaker 2: are at least three countries that are ahead of us
Speaker 2: as far as technologically being technologically advanced. This is as
Speaker 2: per twenty twenty four, China, South Korea, and Japan.
Speaker 3: I would believe South Korea and Japan. I would believe
Speaker 3: those two. I would need to see a little bit
Speaker 3: more data.
Speaker 2: So they give they give technologically advanced scores, and on
Speaker 2: this chart we coming forth as far as technological advancement,
Speaker 2: and they give them scores right, and so obviously it's
Speaker 2: going to be graded on a curve. Otherwise there wouldn't
Speaker 2: be somebody with one hundred at the top right, And
Speaker 2: so Japan scored one hundred, one hundred right at the
Speaker 2: top right, South Korea, South Korea at ninety nine point five,
Speaker 2: China at ninety six point one, and then you got
Speaker 2: the United States at ninety four point three. So not
Speaker 2: super far behind. I'm not saying that we suck, But
Speaker 2: what i am saying is, if we believe that we
Speaker 2: are the fucking kings of the world, that we are
Speaker 2: the greatest country to ever exist, why are we not
Speaker 2: fucking first across the board and everything?
Speaker 3: Because we've had a massive brain drain here recently. There's
Speaker 3: a lot of people that send their kids to American
Speaker 3: colleges to get education and then they go back to
Speaker 3: their home countries to advance them. And that's fine, I
Speaker 3: understand that, But it used to be that these people
Speaker 3: will come from all over the world and stay in
Speaker 3: the mirror.
Speaker 2: You want to talk about human capital. As far as
Speaker 2: the education scores, we can really go there, and we
Speaker 2: are not even we're not even in the top twenty.
Speaker 3: Well, when you look at that, you're not looking at colleges,
Speaker 3: you're looking at the public schools in America, which, yeah,
Speaker 3: if you're looking at that as compared to a lot
Speaker 3: of other nations, yet we are lacking.
Speaker 2: Interesting how Japan is the most technologically advanced and they
Speaker 2: also have the top education scores.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Interesting. Has also reasons for this, Jonathan, there's reasons
Speaker 3: for this. We didn't allow Japan to have a military
Speaker 3: for decades. They have only recently re entered the conversation
Speaker 3: as far as starting their own military. So for decades
Speaker 3: we literally let them just work on themselves and we
Speaker 3: gave them our military protection. Followed by they were able
Speaker 3: to advance.
Speaker 2: So the education scores, it goes Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, Germany, Denmark,
Speaker 2: Canada is even ahead of US, Norway, the Netherlands, Finland, Australia,
Speaker 2: the United Kingdom, France, Belgium, Austria, South Korea, New Zealand, Luxembourg, Ireland, Singapore, Italy,
Speaker 2: Iceland and then the United States.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could believe that for sure.
Speaker 3: Bro, We're letting fucking Iceland take us over come. Yeah,
Speaker 3: look at the population of Iceland, all right, Well how
Speaker 3: about the UK. Look at the population of the UK.
Speaker 3: And they got their own problems. Yeah, they might have
Speaker 3: as an education, but we don't have half of our
Speaker 3: population naming our kids Mohammed. So you know, there's that.
Speaker 2: Austria, it's pretty sizable. It's not tiny. Germany not tiny.
Speaker 3: No, they put a Germany puts a very big emphasis
Speaker 3: on their education, so does France and Belgium. They treat
Speaker 3: the fucking middle schools like college like and that's crazy.
Speaker 3: And that's the difference.
Speaker 2: The difference is is that we have a school system
Speaker 2: and it's only getting worse, like one hundred percent. Our
Speaker 2: school system is absolutely getting worse, right, And the school
Speaker 2: system was literally built for factory workers. It was not
Speaker 2: made for us to be, you know, technologically literate. It
Speaker 2: was not made for us to be able to become
Speaker 2: business owners and to become leader leaders of the world.
Speaker 2: The public school system, like, that's why no rich people
Speaker 2: send their kids to public school, Like, it's not only
Speaker 2: because of the crime that is happening in there, not
Speaker 2: only because of the teacher's pay of what they're getting,
Speaker 2: which usually isn't worth two flying fucks, right, Because look,
Speaker 2: if you're getting paid ten dollars an hour to do
Speaker 2: a fucked up job. I'm not saying that that's what
Speaker 2: they make, but just hypothetically, let's say you're getting paid.
Speaker 3: Ten dollars an hour.
Speaker 2: I don't blame the people at McDonald's for making shitty
Speaker 2: sandwiches and not giving a fuck about what they're making.
Speaker 2: Because they're making they're they're making no money, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. You have to have a reason to
Speaker 2: to to want to move forward. You have to have
Speaker 2: a reason, like there has to be some form of
Speaker 2: advancement proposition here. But the school system only built factory workers.
Speaker 2: Fuck it turned me into a factory worker. You think
Speaker 2: that I was thinking about building a fucking business whenever
Speaker 2: I came out to high school. No, dude, I didn't
Speaker 2: even want to go to college. I didn't want to
Speaker 2: go to college so much because I hated high school
Speaker 2: that much because I felt like it was so boring
Speaker 2: that I wasn't learning anything. And so, I mean, everybody's different.
Speaker 2: I mean, of course, but I don't know. I guess
Speaker 2: we're kind of just spending in circles here at this point.
Speaker 2: My point is is that the idea that you know,
Speaker 2: we need war in order to you know, benefit the
Speaker 2: economy and benefit everybody else, I disagree because I think
Speaker 2: that that money can be allotted in a much much
Speaker 2: different ways to be able to advance us. Like you
Speaker 2: think about that eight trillion dollars that was spending fucking
Speaker 2: twenty years. Dude, eight trillion dollars. Imagine the schooling that
Speaker 2: people can get. Imagine the advance that you can get
Speaker 2: on an individual level at that point.
Speaker 3: Sure, but it's like you just said, that would never happen.
Speaker 3: That would never happen. They would never reallocate the funds
Speaker 3: for that purpose. Hell, we can't even agree to cut
Speaker 3: off foreign spending for dumb shit. We can't even agree that,
Speaker 3: well we can't. Trump just sent or is trying to
Speaker 3: send twenty billion dollars to Argentina for no fucking reason
Speaker 3: other than to prop up the Argentinian government that money
Speaker 3: could be so much better spent on American soil. But but
Speaker 3: you know, I agree with that one hundred percent, but
Speaker 3: it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I think that that's to be honest, dude, I
Speaker 2: think that this entire country is built on a fucking
Speaker 2: it's a house of cards.
Speaker 3: Like That's really, We're not the only one, dude. We're
Speaker 3: not the only country that sends money like this. We're
Speaker 3: not the only country that spends on their military like this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but nobody does. It's to the level that we do
Speaker 3: it because we are, in fact, top dog on that.
Speaker 3: To our military is the best. And that's what's up.
Speaker 2: We're so much the top dog that we want to
Speaker 2: give away all of our money.
Speaker 3: Meanwhile, fuckings, I'm not going there.
Speaker 5: I'm not knowing that I.
Speaker 3: Agree that we shouldn't give away money like that. I
Speaker 3: don't like that at all. I for one, especially if
Speaker 3: we keep talking about military spending and the budget and
Speaker 3: how they have to take away from other projects to
Speaker 3: boost up the military and all that. Fine, fine, so
Speaker 3: stop spending money on foreign nations and spend that money
Speaker 3: to balance our own checkbooks, put it into the education system,
Speaker 3: put it into healthcare, all these things. It's never gonna happen. Look,
Speaker 3: it's how this works.
Speaker 2: If you are the big dick of the world, if
Speaker 2: you are the bully of the world. I don't know
Speaker 2: about you, but whenever I saw bullies in school, I
Speaker 2: don't remember those bullies handing away their lunch money to
Speaker 2: the kids that.
Speaker 3: They picked on.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 3: No, and that's what we're doing. No. But I bet
Speaker 3: the bully was handing over lunch money to other people
Speaker 3: that was allies of theirs. I doubt that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 3: No, I guess in the case of the school yard bully,
Speaker 3: maybe that's a bit of a contrived example for this one.
Speaker 5: But no, I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Agree that fucking Israel is the bully, and they're clearly clearly.
Speaker 2: But honestly, there is some real shit about that, which
Speaker 2: we'll cover at a later date.
Speaker 3: But anyway, I would not look more into the Katari
Speaker 3: money that's being spent in the US milit Millit you
Speaker 3: do everything in your power to way is it the
Speaker 3: focus from Israel? It is like it's astounding No, no, no,
Speaker 3: and we're not gonna start the whole Israel conversation here.
Speaker 3: We're talking about a fucking Cold War era under ice
Speaker 3: bunker here. But what I'm saying is as much shit
Speaker 3: as we talk about Israel, which that does deserve its conversation.
Speaker 5: Not trying to dissuade that so many people are missing.
Speaker 3: Everybody's talking Apak, nobody's talking nor pack, nobody's talking about Qatar.
Speaker 3: Is its mind blowing to me that people are so
Speaker 3: cool with tunnel visionally in on one of these rather
Speaker 3: than looking at the whole scope. That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Whenever Qatar sends their money, do they have to do
Speaker 2: they have to label it as foreign aid? U? You
Speaker 2: know what, Israel is the only country that we accept
Speaker 2: any kind of help, any help in quotations, any kind
Speaker 2: of money from a foreign country that doesn't have to
Speaker 2: label itself as a foreign entity.
Speaker 5: It doesn't have to label itself as a foreign ency.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what a pack is. That's right, because it
Speaker 3: goes to the lobbyist groups, and there's a Katari lobbyist group.
Speaker 2: I just I wonder if it has to label itself
Speaker 2: as foreign aid. I don't know, but I would like
Speaker 2: to look into it. As far as my understanding goes.
Speaker 2: Israel is the only one that doesn't have to label
Speaker 2: as foreign entity, like as foreign funding.
Speaker 5: We should look into it more, dude, And I checked.
Speaker 3: The last time I checked.
Speaker 2: I don't think that there's dual citizenship to fucking Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 3: You mean the UAE. Sure, that's where Qatar is.
Speaker 2: The Qatar is, Yeah, I get a mix up, same
Speaker 2: fucking thing to me, But you know what I.
Speaker 3: Mean, It's like, are they from Zimbabwe or no? I'm
Speaker 3: just kidding. No, no, no. But until the whole point about
Speaker 3: the war being good for the nation, Okay, listen, I
Speaker 3: understand that war is not a pretty thing and it's
Speaker 3: not something that we should be idolizing. I can agree
Speaker 3: with this point, but then again, every nation has benefited
Speaker 3: from war in some way, shape or form at some
Speaker 3: point in their history. And the day that America stops
Speaker 3: having the strongest military is the day that we will
Speaker 3: start to decline. And we're approaching that two hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty year mark. I think this is all how that goes. Huh.
Speaker 2: I mean it's possible. Hell yeah, I guess I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: Several politicians hold dual citizenship that includes the UAE, often
Speaker 2: due to their contributions to the country's economy or their heritage. However,
Speaker 2: specific names and details may vary, and it's important to
Speaker 2: note that laws regarding dual citizenship can differ by country.
Speaker 2: All right, well, we should be looking into fucking all
Speaker 2: of them, then.
Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. That's literally all I've been saying.
Speaker 3: I know people think that I'm a cook for Israel,
Speaker 3: and it's like, bro, I'm not even trying to be
Speaker 3: that way. I'm saying there is way more fucker real
Speaker 3: foot than just Israel. I get it. But you you are.
Speaker 2: You're real quick to pull the trigger on everybody else
Speaker 2: except for Israel. You know that you have a fucking
Speaker 2: soft spot for Israel for some god forsaken reason.
Speaker 3: It's not even it's not even gonna have a soft
Speaker 3: spot for Israel, dude, i'mna be honest with you, it's
Speaker 3: not even that. It is because everybody is so quick
Speaker 3: to pull the trigger on Israel. I feel like I
Speaker 3: have to be that one person be like, hey, wait
Speaker 3: a minute, what about this thing over here? Like I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to take beyond that.
Speaker 2: No, it has to be beyond that, because if everybody
Speaker 2: was like tits up against China, you would jump right
Speaker 2: on board. We're talking about, like you trying to tell
Speaker 2: me that you would try and level the playing field
Speaker 2: if everybody was against China, you'd be like, well, hold on,
Speaker 2: it's not just China. What I know, fucking Canada or something.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, how many times when China gets brought up,
Speaker 3: I bring up almost instantly, North Korea, Russia, Iran. No.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, dude, And I'm trying to
Speaker 3: keep it as fair and balanced as I can. But
Speaker 3: by doing that, I make myself look like I'm a
Speaker 3: some sort of a net and Yahoo cock writer, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, fuck that in Yahoo, dude. I am
Speaker 3: not trying to be that guy. And I'm not even
Speaker 3: trying to be the pro Israel voice on here, the
Speaker 3: Israeli apologist. All I'm saying is that if we're gonna
Speaker 3: keep it one hundred and let's keep it one thou wow,
Speaker 3: And if we're gonna point out the bad guys whose
Speaker 3: money is being spent in our politicians' pockets, then let's
Speaker 3: look at all of them. And as of this moment,
Speaker 3: right now, this is gonna be controversial. As of right now.
Speaker 3: October twenty first twenty twenty five, there is way more
Speaker 3: Katari dollars being spent in our politicians' pockets than Israeli.
Speaker 3: I more.
Speaker 2: I have really enjoyed the fallout from people like there
Speaker 2: there are people that are waking up on both sides,
Speaker 2: on all sides, because I don't even want to it's
Speaker 2: not even just two sides, because I believe that there
Speaker 2: are there are the left wingers, there are the right wingers,
Speaker 2: and then there are the people that say fuck both wings.
Speaker 2: Right Like I like, like, I've found myself in the
Speaker 2: middle rate there, not even in the middle, because that
Speaker 2: means that I fucking agree on both sides, because I
Speaker 2: disagree heavily with both.
Speaker 3: And that's you know, just with looking at all this.
Speaker 2: But but one thing that I have found is that
Speaker 2: there are a lot of people that are kind of
Speaker 2: like saying, fuck both sides, and they're like, if any
Speaker 2: single one of these politicians has accepted a single dollar
Speaker 2: from APEC, I'm not voting for them. And I think
Speaker 2: that that's that's a beautiful thing. And I think that
Speaker 2: you know, if.
Speaker 3: You just wake up to that tiny little thing, that
Speaker 3: one little tiny.
Speaker 2: Speck of a detail, especially Gavin Newsom who's taken in
Speaker 2: a lot of money.
Speaker 3: And somebody was like, oh, yeah, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not taking in any money from from a pack
Speaker 2: and and Gavin Newsom was like.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's funny. You know, it's it's just it's just weird.
Speaker 2: I you know, I I never even thought about the
Speaker 2: money that I've received from a pack.
Speaker 3: It's not something that's on my mind. And I'm like,
Speaker 3: you piece of shit. And all of them are.
Speaker 5: Keep in mind, dude.
Speaker 3: Ted Cruz and Gavin Newsom, extremists on either side of
Speaker 3: the wing of that bird are both taking tons of
Speaker 3: money from Israel. Yep.
Speaker 5: Like that that's the big picture here.
Speaker 3: Whe It's like, well, I'm not voting for h if
Speaker 3: they take money from Israel. Good luck finding one that's
Speaker 3: been in office for more than two terms that isn't.
Speaker 2: Ted Cruz believes that it's our duty, like as well,
Speaker 2: not our duty. Well, I don't know the Christian duty
Speaker 2: to look out for Israel.
Speaker 3: Two man, there's a lot of disagree with that. No,
Speaker 3: I believe that, yeah, yeah, And there's I know Christians
Speaker 3: who personally believe that, like they take any offense to
Speaker 3: Israel as an offense to them. Meanwhile, I am not
Speaker 3: a part of that group. I'm a Christian that believes that, yes,
Speaker 3: Israel might be the Holy Land, but the people that
Speaker 3: live there are not the people that they are talking
Speaker 3: about necessarily at all sections of the Bible, right, there's
Speaker 3: an arc of a new Covenant that we live under now.
Speaker 3: The old Covenant was to Moses. Jesus came and the
Speaker 3: ark of the New Covenant happened, and we are living
Speaker 3: under that truth now. So as far as keeping Jerusalem
Speaker 3: a holy city, I'm with it, absolutely with it saying
Speaker 3: that the because there's a lot of holy sites there,
Speaker 3: and I'm not saying but Jesus came, No, no, No,
Speaker 3: I'm saying to acknowledge that city as a holy city
Speaker 3: for the sites that are there, I'm with it. But
Speaker 3: to say that that inherently means that I have to
Speaker 3: back everything that in Yahoo does. You're out of your
Speaker 3: fucking mind. The true are not the same thing.
Speaker 2: The crazy thing to me is is that if God
Speaker 2: created everything, how is everything not holy? How is one
Speaker 2: spec on a map the only holy place?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: No, I can agree with that. I believe the entire
Speaker 3: earth is holy. I'm with you on that. However, Jesus
Speaker 3: didn't walk in Louisiana. You see what I'm saying. Well,
Speaker 3: he walked in Jerusalem and Bethlehem and Nazareth, in Capernaum.
Speaker 3: I mean, these are places that I think hold a
Speaker 3: different type of resonance, if you will. Yeah, But he's omnipresent,
Speaker 3: isn't he, So he would kind of be everywhere. Yes,
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about when he walked the earth in
Speaker 3: his physical flesh, right, So flesh is more important than
Speaker 3: his omnipresence.
Speaker 5: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: I am saying that there are specific places where he
Speaker 3: did walk, and there are places that he did not walk.
Speaker 3: I feel like the places he did walk, like the
Speaker 3: Jordan River, Like I before I die, I would love
Speaker 3: to get baptized in the Jordan River for no reason.
Speaker 3: It's not gonna make me a better Christian. It's not
Speaker 3: gonna guarantee my way into Heaven. I don't believe that
Speaker 3: that's how that goes. I've already been baptized. It's as
Speaker 3: far as what that could mean. That's already been done
Speaker 3: and signed off. But still that is like an incredible
Speaker 3: opportunity if I ever get my chance.
Speaker 2: Man, No, I get it just for his historical meaning.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, I feel like we have veered
Speaker 2: all the way off the beaten path here.
Speaker 3: Do you want to get back to what happens to
Speaker 3: German Project ice Worm?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 3: God, we've been We've been on this for like I
Speaker 3: think we got through fifteen minutes of talking about Project
Speaker 3: ice Worm and then we went off on a tangent
Speaker 3: about this. But that's fine, Listen, I understand that people
Speaker 3: are not going to agree with big military. I am
Speaker 3: of the belief that we must, not should, must have
Speaker 3: the strongest military on earth. And if you look at
Speaker 3: the tech that our military has right now, we are
Speaker 3: far exceeding our competitors by at least fifty years, Like
Speaker 3: it's not even close. And you can look at the
Speaker 3: new things that gues the military industrial complex have released
Speaker 3: and done in the past six months, and all other
Speaker 3: countries are still scratching the surface on what we were
Speaker 3: fucking with in the eighties. Like that's China just release
Speaker 3: their newest jet. Russia just released some new hypersonic thing,
Speaker 3: and it's like, so you're now caught up to where
Speaker 3: we were in eighty two.
Speaker 5: Good for you, hommy.
Speaker 2: You know what the issue that I have, and we're
Speaker 2: going to get back to it. But the issue that
Speaker 2: I have, and I know that a lot of people
Speaker 2: were so stoked that Trump changed the name, But if
Speaker 2: you think about it, I think he's kind of trying
Speaker 2: to make my point here that you know, we switched
Speaker 2: it from the Department of Defense to the part to
Speaker 2: the Department of War. And if you think about it,
Speaker 2: if if we are just defending, then that means we
Speaker 2: are not offending. But whenever you then become the Department
Speaker 2: of War, that's not saying that you're just defending. You're
Speaker 2: going out and getting it.
Speaker 3: I personally believe that we should have a Department of
Speaker 3: Defense and a Department of Offense.
Speaker 5: That's just me. I believe we should have two separate.
Speaker 3: Departments always done in the name of the Guard and
Speaker 3: Homeland Security and Coastguard things, and the other one should
Speaker 3: be when we go and do things to function up.
Speaker 5: I think we should have two separate departments. I agree.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying Trump is fulfilling the fucking Jewish prophecy
Speaker 3: right now. Brother, That's all I'm saying. What No, the
Speaker 3: Jewish prophecy says that no one's gonna help Israel when
Speaker 3: the time comes, He's the Messiah for that to happen.
Speaker 3: That means that America would help Israel when that time
Speaker 3: came for the prophecy to be fulfilled. No one is
Speaker 3: going to help Israel when the time comes. We uh, well,
Speaker 3: except for the Savior that's going to bring together all nations. No, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: for the Antichrist thing. But that's the other point. If
Speaker 3: that Antichrist figure was supposed to be an American, especially
Speaker 3: a former president, the American military would step up. And
Speaker 3: if the prophecy is going to be fulfilled the correct way,
Speaker 3: no other country is going to help Israel when the
Speaker 3: time comes.
Speaker 5: No one.
Speaker 3: I guess that remains to be seen.
Speaker 2: I'm starting to buy more and more and more into
Speaker 2: what Brandon curl saying. I'm not even religious, but I
Speaker 2: think that they're propping him up as that figure. Like
Speaker 2: I do believe that the Eskaton is an absolutely real thing,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's entirely all made up. I
Speaker 2: think that the fucking story about oh it's prophesied that this,
Speaker 2: I personally think that it's like, no, this was their playbook,
Speaker 2: and they are trying to live up to their playbook,
Speaker 2: you know, like I think that they're trying to They
Speaker 2: say that they're fulfilling prophecy. It's like, dude, it's not prophecy.
Speaker 2: It's something that they have been planning for thousands of years.
Speaker 3: That's just how I look at it. I could see
Speaker 3: the argument for sure, and I believe that when the
Speaker 3: end times finally do come, it's not going to be
Speaker 3: because humans made it come. It's all going to be
Speaker 3: according to the plan, and humans are not going to
Speaker 3: have any kind of hand to play in that. That's
Speaker 3: just my personal take.
Speaker 5: That's the thing.
Speaker 3: Whenever it's like these people that are performing the red
Speaker 3: heifer sacrifice and all that as a way to bring
Speaker 3: it about, I'm over here like, y'all is so dumb.
Speaker 3: You are so dumb. You are trying to do this
Speaker 3: before the temple is even built. You're trying to do
Speaker 3: this before all these other things come into play. And
Speaker 3: it's like, big dog, what are you doing. This is
Speaker 3: literally putting the car before the horse and trying to
Speaker 3: tell me that it's more efficient.
Speaker 2: Well, if you think about it, you know, I mean,
Speaker 2: what is going to bring about the Messiah? Just from
Speaker 2: the Jewish understanding, because I personally I don't know if
Speaker 2: I believe that the Christians are the one that are
Speaker 2: trying to bring about the escaton, I think that it's
Speaker 2: probably a Jewish thing.
Speaker 3: The red Heifer sacrifice was done by Messianic Jews. These
Speaker 3: are Jews that recognize Jesus Christ as their Lord and saviors.
Speaker 3: So therefore they're Christians.
Speaker 2: No, But my point is is that they're not so
Speaker 2: much worried about fulfilling the Christian prophecy as much as
Speaker 2: they are about fulfilling the Jewish prophecies right about the
Speaker 2: coming Messiah, Like if we just shift our focus to like,
Speaker 2: all right, I understand that there are a lot of
Speaker 2: Christians who listen to this podcast, but if you look
Speaker 2: at seeing the world from the vantage point from I'm
Speaker 2: not even just saying your typical Jew. Let's just say
Speaker 2: the more corrupt ones. Right, There's corrupt fucking religious people
Speaker 2: all over the place. Doesn't matter your religion, there's always
Speaker 2: a turd in the punchable. My point is is that
Speaker 2: if there are certain things that need to be fulfilled
Speaker 2: in order for your Messiah to come, then maybe we
Speaker 2: should be paying attention to that playbook, especially the people
Speaker 2: that are calling out Israel and calling out the wars
Speaker 2: that is going on, and the money that's being spent
Speaker 2: in other countries, and the amount of people that have
Speaker 2: been high so much so that they get assassinated on
Speaker 2: a campus so that they don't keep on talking about it.
Speaker 2: My point is is that maybe we should be looking
Speaker 2: into that fucking playbook a little bit more and not necessarily,
Speaker 2: you know, relying on our own understanding, in our own
Speaker 2: belief like, let's look at the fucking governors of war.
Speaker 3: Let's look into the Bible, let's look at the playbook.
Speaker 3: I agree, everybody, please read your Bible daily. I could
Speaker 3: not agree more with you, Jonathan. But to your point,
Speaker 3: the founding of the Nation of Israel was seen as
Speaker 3: a move towards escaton because the Nation of Israel had
Speaker 3: to be re established before the endtime conversation could ever
Speaker 3: come about.
Speaker 2: There's this guy I want you to look into at
Speaker 2: some point, maybe we'll do a whole episode on him.
Speaker 3: His Have you ever heard of the name Theodore Herzel? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I think it's Hurtzel or Herzel. I've heard both, but yeah,
Speaker 3: probably both. I don't know.
Speaker 2: This is the guy that created Zionism, Yeah, Like he
Speaker 2: is the founder of Zionism. And by the way, he
Speaker 2: was not a religious person. He was actually an atheist.
Speaker 3: So the idea that the people are, you know, Zionism
Speaker 3: is a good thing, and of course Israel needs their
Speaker 3: own land and all this shit. Meanwhile, the fucking guy
Speaker 3: that created it didn't do it for religion. Okay, he
Speaker 3: did it because the Jews kept on getting kicked out
Speaker 3: of all these countries. Whether you believe it was the
Speaker 3: right thing that they are getting kicked out or not,
Speaker 3: the point is that they didn't have a land, and
Speaker 3: they were they were roaming everywhere, right, and there seemed
Speaker 3: to be some kind of disturbances everywhere. But you know,
Speaker 3: as far as that goes, he believed that he could
Speaker 3: push these people into their own land so that so
Speaker 3: that they can carry out their their new world order
Speaker 3: type of plans as far as Zionism goes.
Speaker 5: But that's the point.
Speaker 3: Zionism in and of itself, right, is just the fact
Speaker 3: that you believe that Israel.
Speaker 5: As a nation should exist.
Speaker 3: Now, the ultra Zionism is where you believe that Israel
Speaker 3: can do no wrong because they're Israel, and that they
Speaker 3: are somehow better than everyone else, including America, because they're Israel.
Speaker 3: There's a difference here. It's the same thing, like a
Speaker 3: feminist versus an ultra feminist. A feminist means that you
Speaker 3: believe that women should get paid equal to men for
Speaker 3: the same job.
Speaker 5: Like who can disagree with this?
Speaker 3: Ultra feminism means that you believe that a woman is
Speaker 3: inherently better than a man because she's a woman. That
Speaker 3: That's not what Hurtzel was after whenever he found it Zionism.
Speaker 3: He just wanted the Jews to have a land to
Speaker 3: call their own, the same way that I believe the
Speaker 3: Kords should have a land to call their own.
Speaker 5: Kurdistan should be a nation.
Speaker 3: I believe that, And there's no like, I don't know
Speaker 3: if there's some sort of movement on that regard, Like
Speaker 3: you would use the term Zionism for Israel, I don't
Speaker 3: know what there is for Kurds. But yeah, I could
Speaker 3: believe that. You know that, I actually agree with you.
Speaker 2: And I'll say that I would say that even the
Speaker 2: Pastafarians deserve their own land. And I'll say that the
Speaker 2: eclectics out there that are practicing all this paganism, give
Speaker 2: them their own land.
Speaker 3: You know, Let's just give everybody that has a belief
Speaker 3: their own land. They deserve it. They deserve that, Jacob.
Speaker 2: If you think about all the Pagans that were sacrificed
Speaker 2: in the name, I'm not even gonna go there, but
Speaker 2: you think about it. Are people were kick out, these
Speaker 2: people were slaughtered, These people were quote unquote disturbances in
Speaker 2: certain lands.
Speaker 3: Let's give them a fucking land too, So real quick,
Speaker 3: the Kurds are already in one section of the world,
Speaker 3: and they had been for a very very very long time.
Speaker 3: It's not like they're all scattered about to Russia and
Speaker 3: Europe and African all that. They're already in the place.
Speaker 3: It's just split across four different nations. Okay. The Jews,
Speaker 3: their land has always been Israel, although people disagree with
Speaker 3: that fact, but like that is the way it's been
Speaker 3: for thousands of years. And I understand that's not how
Speaker 3: conquest works, right, But they bought the land through through
Speaker 3: a little bit of chicanery, and I understand that there's
Speaker 3: some there's some issues with how the nation of Israel
Speaker 3: was founded. Okay, all the other countries came and attacked
Speaker 3: them to take it back from them, and they defended
Speaker 3: their territory. If the Pastafarians want to buy a section
Speaker 3: of land claiming as their own nation and then have
Speaker 3: all of those neighbors attack them at the same time
Speaker 3: and win that war. Sounds like it's fucking Pastafarian land. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but that's not what people are saying. As far as
Speaker 3: why you're you're cheering for Zionism, you know you don't
Speaker 3: necessarily these people that look into this, they don't care
Speaker 3: that there was a transaction made, even though it was
Speaker 3: the shadiest of all transactions. They don't care about that.
Speaker 2: They just believe, well, their God's chosen people, they deserve
Speaker 2: a land if anybody deserves a land. My suggestion is
Speaker 2: is that, look, if I wear a colander in my
Speaker 2: fucking driver's license photo, I deserve my own blot of land.
Speaker 2: Give me one of those islands that they just found, like,
Speaker 2: I'll take take one of those.
Speaker 3: Then you and the Pastafarians can go buy that land
Speaker 3: and declare it as your own independence, sovereign nation, and
Speaker 3: whatever nation owned it beforehand, they will come after you,
Speaker 3: so be prepared to defend it. And if you can
Speaker 3: successfully defend it, it sounds like now Pastafarians have their own.
Speaker 2: Nation well, and and what I will do as a
Speaker 2: Pasafarian is is that I will. Of course, I'm going
Speaker 2: to get an island to where I can drill like
Speaker 2: a bunch of oil. And then when the money that
Speaker 2: I make from that oil, I'm gonna funnel it into
Speaker 2: the United States. And I'm going to tell the United States, Hey,
Speaker 2: if anybody says anything wrong about us Pastafarians, here's what's
Speaker 2: gonna need to happen. Like, you are not allowed to
Speaker 2: say anything negative. And I need you to promote pro
Speaker 2: Pastafarian ideology and I need you to back us in
Speaker 2: every single war. And if you don't back us in
Speaker 2: every single war, then we're gonna nine to eleven year ass.
Speaker 2: Then we're gonna Charlie Kirk your ass. Then we're gonna
Speaker 2: cut you off righted the fucking threshold and we will
Speaker 2: control you. Okay, that is what I'll do as hypothetically.
Speaker 3: No, no, if y'all as Pastafarians can get that kind
Speaker 3: of oil money and can bankroll it like that, I
Speaker 3: wish you the best of luck, dude.
Speaker 2: And I also want to make sure that there are
Speaker 2: lots of US politicians that have dual citizenship to pasta
Speaker 2: Pastafarian land, pasta Farania.
Speaker 3: There we go Pastafarania, Yeah, Postinia, Pantera whatever or Panera whatever.
Speaker 3: Paneras actually really good, but it's not. It's overpriced hospital food.
Speaker 2: No, I agree, And I feel the same way about
Speaker 2: Olive Garden. I know it's just a major chain or whatever,
Speaker 2: but I fucking love that tour of Italy.
Speaker 3: Dude, I can slam that all day anyway.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, so sorry, now we are officially
Speaker 2: getting back on track.
Speaker 3: Ice worm. God, what a weird tangent we took to
Speaker 3: go from military industrial complex to warfare to Israel, all
Speaker 3: while talking about Cold War secret missions and things. It
Speaker 3: all leads to the Jews. Brother, it really shouldn't, and
Speaker 3: more often it doesn't. But depending on who you ask,
Speaker 3: like Ian Carroll, he'll tell you everything leads back to
Speaker 3: the Jews.
Speaker 5: It's a game. It's a game.
Speaker 3: Literally, name anything that's wrong in your life right now,
Speaker 3: and in three statements, I bet you could blame Israel
Speaker 3: for it, the same way that it's been done towards
Speaker 3: the Gypsies and witches and Gnostics.
Speaker 5: And the Huns.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's been done towards groups that you just
Speaker 3: anybody has an issue with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we don't talk about those genocides, only talk
Speaker 2: about the one main genocide that everybody's allowed to. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not going there either. I'm not going there either. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get back to it.
Speaker 3: Okay, anyway, talking about I think we've left off here
Speaker 3: with the uninhabited aerial vehicle synthetic aperture radar. So all right,
Speaker 3: and again that's the same type of radar that they
Speaker 3: used to scan the pyramids and find those alleged tunnels
Speaker 3: and cubes at the bottom, which was very ai derivative.
Speaker 3: But neither here nor there. Uh. In the new data,
Speaker 3: individual structures in the secret City are visible in a
Speaker 3: way they've never been seen before. Green explain statement, scientists
Speaker 3: expect to use the UAVSA.
Speaker 5: R or UAVSAR.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's even how you pronounce the acronym.
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter to measure ice sheet thickness in Antarctica
Speaker 3: and refine estimates of future sea level rise. The usefulness
Speaker 3: of uav SA R image of Camp Centry is still unclear,
Speaker 3: but the unexpected direction was certainly a blast from the past.
Speaker 3: Uh So, all right, this is just them talking about
Speaker 3: the discovery thereof and some of the backstory to it.
Speaker 3: But now let's get to a little more information about
Speaker 3: Project ice Worm. This is from Dark Docks. Let's listen together.
Speaker 6: A total of twenty one trenches were built and covered
Speaker 6: with the arched ice roofs. Under these, prefabricated buildings were placed.
Speaker 6: Although most of the tunnels were simply dug into the ice,
Speaker 6: hence the name ice worm, other surface quarters were built
Speaker 6: using wood and steel. The strange underground colony had all
Speaker 6: the amenities of a small city. In addition to the
Speaker 6: missile silos and communication rooms that controlled them, the tunnels
Speaker 6: connected each other to a chapel, theater, hospital offices, library apartments,
Speaker 6: and other essential establishments for social necessities. The ice colonists
Speaker 6: even had fresh water that they were able to obtain
Speaker 6: from a well developed system of pipes and drainage which
Speaker 6: supplied water by melting glaciers. Calculations indicated the transporting diesel
Speaker 6: across the sea, land, or through the air in order
Speaker 6: to keep the base running would be problematic. Constant loss
Speaker 6: of communication and extreme weather conditions made it difficult and
Speaker 6: expensive to secure a supply of fuel for the generators.
Speaker 6: As a solution to the problem, the army decided that
Speaker 6: a portable nuclear reactor should be installed to supply Camp
Speaker 6: Century's electrical needs. The world's first portable reactor, the PM two,
Speaker 6: was successfully installed at the base after being shipped over
Speaker 6: in pieces weighing four hundred tons in total. It could
Speaker 6: generate up to two metal walks of power. This interconnected
Speaker 6: facility was built to operate year round. It was estimated
Speaker 6: that Camp Century would last ten years without any additional
Speaker 6: modifications collapse. The first tests conducted before the construction of
Speaker 6: Camp Century showed that the ice sheet was rigid enough
Speaker 6: for tunneling. However, a later study from nineteen sixty two
Speaker 6: indicated that the ice sheet was moving faster than expected.
Speaker 6: The ice sheet was not as stable as initially thought.
Speaker 6: It appeared that the ice was far more elastic, which
Speaker 6: would cost more for the tunnel's ongoing maintenance. Otherwise, the
Speaker 6: entire facility would be at risk of collapsing and being crushed.
Speaker 6: As months passed, the slow, imperfect and constant ice sheet
Speaker 6: movements caused the tunnels and walls to narrow and deform.
Speaker 6: Eerie sounds and cracking noises haunted the staff and soldiers.
Speaker 6: Some ceilings even began to collapse alongside the tracks that
Speaker 6: were supposed to carry the missile train. The reactor room
Speaker 6: dropped five feet from its original position. Eventually, during the
Speaker 6: reactor set down for maintenance in July of nineteen sixty three,
Speaker 6: the Army decided to operate the camp only during the summer.
Speaker 6: The reactor was not reactivated again. When operations were resumed
Speaker 6: in nineteen sixty four, a diesel power plant was used.
Speaker 6: The risk of a nuclear catastrophe was deemed too great,
Speaker 6: and the underground facilities overall state had deteriorated so much
Speaker 6: that it was considered unsuitable for any further development. A
Speaker 6: massive future expansion of Camp's Century was canceled. An additional
Speaker 6: fifty two thousand square miles of tunnels were scrapped, and
Speaker 6: the deployment of the new ice Man missile was put
Speaker 6: on hold. If things had gone differently, it would have
Speaker 6: made Project ice wor in the world's largest nuclear launch site,
Speaker 6: roughly the size of the state of Indiana. In nineteen
Speaker 6: sixty seven, while the Vietnam War raged on and funds
Speaker 6: began to be cut, Camps Century was abandoned. The facility
Speaker 6: was left nearly intact as the Army gave up the
Speaker 6: site besides the structural components, where the nine thousand tons
Speaker 6: of waste and fifty thousand gallons of toxic materials such
Speaker 6: as radioactive water and diesel were left to be buried
Speaker 6: under the frozen wasteland. Engineers believe that the entire base
Speaker 6: would be eaten by the ice, taking it deeper underground
Speaker 6: as time passed on, left alone to be buried in
Speaker 6: utter secrecy. However, they did not know that one day
Speaker 6: Global Warmen would unearth the top secret facility Global Warmen.
Speaker 3: So, as we were learning here, the facility was meant
Speaker 3: to be like the primo as far as nuclear facilities
Speaker 3: can go. And this was the first portable nuclear reactor
Speaker 3: ever constructed on Earth. Once again, warfare, whether it's sub
Speaker 3: tertiary or mainline, does breed the basics of technological advancement.
Speaker 3: And it is really a shame that this site wasn't
Speaker 3: constructed better because had this portable nuclear reactor been done
Speaker 3: properly and put in an environment where it could have
Speaker 3: thrived and succeeded, think of how much further we could
Speaker 3: have gone as far as nuclear power as opposed to
Speaker 3: coal power in this country.
Speaker 5: Right, But it wasn't set up the right way. And
Speaker 5: when that nuclear.
Speaker 3: Reactor dropped five feet, Remember how I told you in
Speaker 3: the beginning, any small they had to find a place
Speaker 3: that was flat and level. That's why they chose this
Speaker 3: site in particular. When this dropped five feet, that is
Speaker 3: not a little bit. Two inches of deviation is enough
Speaker 3: to fuck up everything as far as a nuclear reactor
Speaker 3: is concerned. Five feet Yeah, no, this is the risk
Speaker 3: for a nuclear catastrophe in Greenland was too great and
Speaker 3: they had to scrub the whole project. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 3: crazy slide.
Speaker 2: And I will say, dude, just the idea of like,
Speaker 2: we wouldn't have been able to get to this point
Speaker 2: if it wasn't for military.
Speaker 3: You could always make an argument for that.
Speaker 2: But whenever you're all like, if you think about it,
Speaker 2: depending on what you believe, even let's just take it
Speaker 2: to area fifty one one. So like the idea of
Speaker 2: area fifty one. You know, whether we recovered advanced technologies
Speaker 2: from other worlds or whatever, let's just say that we did.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: If we did recover you know, those kind of advanced
Speaker 2: technologies and then you know, turned it into our own,
Speaker 2: it's always for military reasons, Like, it's never for the
Speaker 2: better the betterment of humanity. It's always for how can
Speaker 2: we turn it into a weapon to like just fuck
Speaker 2: people up? Like, That's what I mean, as far as
Speaker 2: it's barbaric to believe that war always breeds, you know,
Speaker 2: technological advance Like it's like, of course there's going to
Speaker 2: be advancement, Like there always will be some sort of advancement.
Speaker 2: You don't need military I mean, you don't need war
Speaker 2: to be able to like say that that's the only way.
Speaker 2: It's just the only way that we've known how to
Speaker 2: do since the beginning of human like history.
Speaker 3: Yes, you're correct, that is, warfare and combat have been
Speaker 3: the reasons for any major technological it's not just in
Speaker 3: our lifetime kind of thing. The Bronze Age when they realize, Bro,
Speaker 3: if you mix copper it super soft intent, it's super brittle.
Speaker 3: You get this shit called bronze first order of business. Bro,
Speaker 3: can we make stords out of that shit? That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. It's like, you know, we don't have to
Speaker 3: be barbaric in order to advance, is my point. People
Speaker 3: don't are we humans or are we not?
Speaker 2: That is how it's been done. I don't know about you,
Speaker 2: but I'm only temporarily a human.
Speaker 3: Okay, And while you're here, you are, in fact, your
Speaker 3: body anyway is kind of on the hook to the
Speaker 3: laws of humanity, right, And unfortunately it's not a pretty fact,
Speaker 3: but it is still a fact that warfare is what
Speaker 3: breeds technological innovation.
Speaker 2: It's the it's just the only thing that people have
Speaker 2: cared about, so of course it's gonna be the only
Speaker 2: thing that breeds technological innovation. Like if all look, if
Speaker 2: all you, let's just say that the let's for shits
Speaker 2: and giggles, let's say that the military industrial complex was
Speaker 2: the uh, I don't know, the Adam and Eve complex, okay,
Speaker 2: And all you are worried about is just fucking and
Speaker 2: fucking and fucking. You just want to bust all the nuts, right,
Speaker 2: Like you just want to keep you just want to
Speaker 2: keep on coming.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: So now the Adam and Eve industry, they say, oh
Speaker 2: my god, we are making so much money from all
Speaker 2: these people. Fucking let's keep on advancing. We want them
Speaker 2: to keep on fucking because if they ever find out that,
Speaker 2: like you know, look, if you touch it too much,
Speaker 2: it starts to.
Speaker 3: It starts to fade away or something.
Speaker 2: Is that you know what I mean, Like, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a fad that eventually dies out with people fucking these
Speaker 2: blow up dolls. So we got to keep on advancing
Speaker 2: these dolls, and we're gonna make it more realistic and
Speaker 2: more realistic and more realistic. Like of course you're going
Speaker 2: to advance, like technology will always advance if there is
Speaker 2: the money and the need.
Speaker 3: Is my point.
Speaker 2: So you know, my point is is that you don't
Speaker 2: necessarily need war to always advance. There's other ways in
Speaker 2: which you could advance. Of course, I'm just making an
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve joke, which, by the way, if you
Speaker 2: like and if and you like all the toys and
Speaker 2: you like everything that they are able to provide for
Speaker 2: you in the bedroom or in the kitchen, or in
Speaker 2: the living room or outside or wherever you like to
Speaker 2: get down, maybe a dressing room in the mall. I mean, hey,
Speaker 2: who doesn't want to join the mile high club?
Speaker 3: Right? Maybe you want to spice all that up. Go
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Speaker 3: but yes, I believe that human human civilization would have
Speaker 3: caught up without warfare. What I will say is that
Speaker 3: warfare puts a real fire under the asses of engineers
Speaker 3: and scientists to create marvels as far as it goes.
Speaker 3: And to your point, like I said earlier, Japan is
Speaker 3: number one on earth as far as technological advancement goes.
Speaker 3: The only way and reason that they were able to
Speaker 3: do that and focus all of their attention towards tech
Speaker 3: was because they no longer had to worry about their
Speaker 3: military or their defense, because America gave them our defense
Speaker 3: after World War Two. We made it to where they
Speaker 3: can never have a navy again. We allowed them to
Speaker 3: have like a coastguard, and we allowed them to have
Speaker 3: a police force. Very just a few years back, we
Speaker 3: allowed them to start having some more of the defensive
Speaker 3: military posture. But for decades they could not advance anything militarily.
Speaker 3: So they were advancing tech for business reasons. But that
Speaker 3: was because they no longer had to worry about their
Speaker 3: security their defense.
Speaker 2: That's the point, right, And Japan didn't have to go
Speaker 2: out and like put their nose in other people's business
Speaker 2: in order to technologically advance, right.
Speaker 3: Because we were doing it for them. Exactly. It was
Speaker 3: South Korea.
Speaker 2: Because they had a good defense, right, which was US,
Speaker 2: which was a defense And I don't remember, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's it's probably been a little while since we, uh,
Speaker 2: we started some kind of offense for Japan, Like we've
Speaker 2: always just been defenders for them ever since, you know,
Speaker 2: the whole fallout, right, Like, so, in theory, a good
Speaker 2: defense will allow technological advancement beyond just military means. Right,
Speaker 2: It's kind of the point you're trying to make.
Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is that Japan didn't have to
Speaker 3: start using some of their resources and their money to
Speaker 3: bolster a military because they didn't have to have a military.
Speaker 3: They weren't allowed to. That's my point. So as far
Speaker 3: as like the money allocations and how we could be
Speaker 3: using it for this or could be using it for that,
Speaker 3: sure that could work. Just look at South Korea, look
Speaker 3: at Japan. The reason why they were able to put
Speaker 3: all their resources into tech was because we covered them
Speaker 3: on the back end as far as defense was concerned.
Speaker 3: America has to cover our own ass as far as
Speaker 3: defense is concerned. We're not going to put our defense
Speaker 3: in another country's hands. So this is just kind of
Speaker 3: how we are and the fact that we're number four
Speaker 3: on the list, which I disagree with the whole China thing,
Speaker 3: but we could talk more about that another time. But
Speaker 3: the fact that we are that high on the list
Speaker 3: while still spending all this money on our defense and
Speaker 3: other countries defenses on their behalf. Yeah, we are the
Speaker 3: fucking greatest. So no other country could even potentially do that.
Speaker 2: But imagine if we weren't fighting everybody else's worse for
Speaker 2: them and we only focused on America. Imagine how far
Speaker 2: we would be able to go. But the problem with
Speaker 2: that is is that, of course, you know, other countries
Speaker 2: rule us. So that's just how that goes, not exactly,
Speaker 2: non exactly in politics, Like that's a fact.
Speaker 3: Just talked about this.
Speaker 5: Let's get back to it.
Speaker 3: Let's get dude, it's minutes without bringing up Israel, It's
Speaker 3: gonna be great, all right, we just talked about Qatar.
Speaker 5: But yes, it's obviously Israel.
Speaker 3: Clearly it was at one point.
Speaker 5: Yes they're an Obama.
Speaker 3: It's dude, like, I don't know what you're not seeing.
Speaker 3: You need to look at the math on how much
Speaker 3: money is being spent from Qatar before we started talking
Speaker 3: about the Israel thing. Where's the Israel has its long
Speaker 3: time hooks APAC and the dual citizenship thing. That is
Speaker 3: a thing for Israel. Yes, Qatar has only become really
Speaker 3: in the conversation as far as money goes, in the
Speaker 3: last twenty years, maybe thirty if we're going to be
Speaker 3: very generous here. So they haven't gotten the long time
Speaker 3: ramifications like Israel has with the United States. Give them
Speaker 3: another thirty years to cook. Right now, they're outspending Israel
Speaker 3: as far as our politics are concerned. But nobody's talking
Speaker 3: about that, right Give it another thirty years of that
Speaker 3: and we'll have a whole different conversation about it. But
Speaker 3: that's what I'm saying. I'm not trying to take Israel's side.
Speaker 3: I'm saying, let's look at the whole picture. It's all
Speaker 3: I've ever said. Okay, all right, Look, we're not going
Speaker 3: back down on that rabbit hole. Let's just continue, all right.
Speaker 6: In nineteen ninety seven, Denmark conducted a scientific visit to
Speaker 6: Camp Century. By then, the DANIUS government had declassified documents
Speaker 6: regarding what it knew about the military activities.
Speaker 3: Of the US Army during my sixties.
Speaker 6: The title of one of these documents was Strategic Value
Speaker 6: of the Greenland Ice cop It contained valuable information about
Speaker 6: the objectives the US had pursued by establishing the Sula
Speaker 6: Air Base and Camp Century facilities. Government officials were astonished
Speaker 6: when they found out that the scimatics of Camp Century
Speaker 6: were very different from those that were publicly shown to
Speaker 6: people in the sixties when the supposed scientific research center
Speaker 6: began construction. Camp Century was not what they had thought.
Speaker 6: Eventually they discovered that Camp Century was a top secret
Speaker 6: nuclear launch sight, built without any consent from the Danish government.
Speaker 6: The American military thought that the ice would bury the
Speaker 6: facility's secrets, but nature thought otherwise. With the ice loss
Speaker 6: fueled by global warming, the once secret base rose from
Speaker 6: the depths of the frozen wasteland almost five decades later.
Speaker 6: A study conducted in twenty sixteen showed that the ice
Speaker 6: sheet cover in Camp Century would begin melting by twenty ninety.
Speaker 6: If the weather continues to worsen every year, the increased
Speaker 6: warmth may accelerate the effect. When Camp Century is finally exposed,
Speaker 6: the remaining chemical and radioactive waste left by the U.
Speaker 6: S Army is expected to cause serious damage to the
Speaker 6: surrounding ecosystem. It may even creep across the coast and
Speaker 6: eventually reach the ocean. Some scientists suggest that this pollution
Speaker 6: may produce effects worse than those caused by the constant
Speaker 6: bombing and use of chemical agents in the Vietnam War.
Speaker 6: The political context of this climatic situation remains complex. Although
Speaker 6: the Kingdom of Denmark allowed the US to build the
Speaker 6: two bases, it's not entirely clear if the government knew
Speaker 6: what the Americans were up to when the construction of
Speaker 6: Camp Century began. With Greenland acquiring its sovereignty from Denmark
Speaker 6: at the turn of the past century, it's not clear
Speaker 6: who's responsible for cleaning the future problems of all the
Speaker 6: harmful materials that remain hidden in Camp Century. For the
Speaker 6: time being, Project Ice Worm, a failed invention of the
Speaker 6: Cold War and the most ambitious nuclear launch sight in
Speaker 6: the history of the United States, will remain reclaimed by
Speaker 6: nature and the frozen wastelands of an environment that turns
Speaker 6: warmer as every year passes.
Speaker 3: All right, thank you too, Dark Docks for doing a
Speaker 3: pretty solid deep dive on this one. Now let's move
Speaker 3: into alt All that's history of Jesus Christ. I can't
Speaker 3: read today. All that's interesting dot com. Project ice Worm
Speaker 3: America's Cold War plot to build a nuclear city underneath Greenland.
Speaker 3: Let's get into it here. Are you gonna read this one?
Speaker 3: Or am I reading this one too? Oh? Yeah? Go ahead? Okay?
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 3: Project ice Worm envisioned a sprawling underground city in Greenland
Speaker 3: where the US could house six hundred nuclear missiles, but
Speaker 3: the project was shut down after less than a decade.
Speaker 3: And again we're gonna kind of reiterate on a couple
Speaker 3: of things here. But for four short years after developing
Speaker 3: the first atomic bomb in nineteen forty five, the United
Speaker 3: States was the sole nuclear power in the world. But
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty nine, the Soviet Union test it's first
Speaker 3: atomic weapon, rocketing the Cold War into a new era.
Speaker 3: As the two nuclear power scrambled for an edge, the
Speaker 3: Americans began to develop a top secret project to hide
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons in the Arctic, where they could easily strike
Speaker 3: at the Soviets. They named it Project ice Worm. But
Speaker 3: Greenland's ice sheet proved more powerful than the Cold War,
Speaker 3: so the idea for launching Project ice Worm here.
Speaker 5: By the nineteen fifties, the.
Speaker 3: Cold War had began to gain steam as both the
Speaker 3: United States and the Soviet Union had nuclear weapons. But
Speaker 3: strong nuclear missiles in the United States came with significant
Speaker 3: risks as those locations could be attacked, so at the
Speaker 3: end of the decade, the US Army came up with
Speaker 3: the plan to build a secret nuke missile facility in Greenland.
Speaker 3: In nineteen fifty one, agreement between the United States and
Speaker 3: Denmark allowed the Americans to build an air base in Greenland,
Speaker 3: an autonomous Danish territory, but the Americans wanted to go further.
Speaker 3: The US Army wanted to build an underground nuclear facility
Speaker 3: where missiles could be stored. The ambitious secret project, dubbed
Speaker 3: Project ice Worm, called for fifty two thousand square miles
Speaker 3: of tunnels under the ice, around three times the size
Speaker 3: of Denmark Trench's position four miles apart, would hold six
Speaker 3: hundred mobile missiles which could be moved around the facility,
Speaker 3: and eleven thousand soldiers would live beneath the ice, ready
Speaker 3: to strike when and if needed. According to a nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty top secret document from the US Army Engineer Study Center,
Speaker 3: Greenland was the perfect site for nuclear weapons. It was
Speaker 3: just three thousand miles from Moscow, putting missiles in easy
Speaker 3: striking distance of US targets. The missiles of Project ice
Speaker 3: Worm would be underground and easily moved to avoid detection,
Speaker 3: and the size guaranteed second strike capabilities of the Soviet
Speaker 3: Union fired nukes at the United States first, the missiles forced.
Speaker 5: The missile force is hidden and elusive.
Speaker 3: The report recorded by the Atomic Heritage Foundation stated, it
Speaker 3: is deployed into an extensive cut and cover tunnel network
Speaker 3: in which men and missiles are protected from weather and
Speaker 3: to a degree from enemy attack. The deployment is invulnerable
Speaker 3: to all but massive attacks, and even then most of
Speaker 3: the force can be launched. Concealment and var variability of
Speaker 3: the deployment patterns are exploited to prevent the enemy from
Speaker 3: targeting the critical enemy.
Speaker 5: Elements of the force.
Speaker 3: Good God, According to the Atomic Heritage Foundation, the US
Speaker 3: floated the idea of the facility to Denmark in nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty eight. When the Danish were noncommittal in their response,
Speaker 3: the Americans decided to move forward with Project ice Worm.
Speaker 3: But Project ice Worm only worked if no one suspected
Speaker 3: the hidden ballistic missiles, so the army invented a cover story.
Speaker 3: Now we're getting to Camp Century, the nuclear city under
Speaker 3: the ice.
Speaker 5: In fifty eight, the.
Speaker 3: Construction began at Camp Century, a scientific research site quote
Speaker 3: unquote run by the Americans, But the scientific site was
Speaker 3: a cover for the sprawling underground nuclear facility built under
Speaker 3: Project Ice Worm. Is a picture of them with their
Speaker 3: drill rig building Camp Sentry post challenges from the beginning. First,
Speaker 3: engineers had to build a road through the ice. Then
Speaker 3: they had to transport thousands of tons of supplies via
Speaker 3: bob sleds, which could only move at two miles per hour.
Speaker 3: That meant the trip from Thule Air Base took seventy hours. Next,
Speaker 3: engineers had to dig trenches into the snow and the ice,
Speaker 3: cover them with a roof of steel arches, and top
Speaker 3: them anew with snow. From there they created a network
Speaker 3: of underground buildings. The longest trench became known as Main Street,
Speaker 3: and it was one thousand feet long. Eventually the engineers
Speaker 3: built twenty six tunnels which stretched across two miles and
Speaker 3: led dorms, a cafeteria, a hospital, and a rat hall. Eventually,
Speaker 3: the nuclear city would also have a hospital, a school,
Speaker 3: and a movie theater. Starting in nineteen sixty a nuclear
Speaker 3: reactor powered Camp Sentry, an engineer's playing and to install
Speaker 3: two more reactors to keep things running. In order to
Speaker 3: maintain the cover story, the Army even released documentary on
Speaker 3: the city under the ice to show they had nothing
Speaker 3: to hide. But they did have something to hide. Camp
Speaker 3: Century under Project ice Worm was built to hold enough
Speaker 3: medium range ballistic missiles to destroy eighty percent of targets
Speaker 3: in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. It would have
Speaker 3: been a formidable nuclear site if it had ever been finished,
Speaker 3: So let's talk about how it failed. Project ice Worm
Speaker 3: quickly ran into major problems. For one, the operation required
Speaker 3: fifty two thousand miles of tunnels, but only two miles
Speaker 3: were ever constructed, and the tunnels kept collapsing under the
Speaker 3: pressure of the Greenland ice sheet. What's more, the engineers
Speaker 3: planned to run the city on nuclear power, but frigid
Speaker 3: temperatures could crack metal, increasing the risk of accidents. Beyond
Speaker 3: the challenges of building Camp Century were the challenges of
Speaker 3: operating it.
Speaker 5: The environment in Greenland was harsh.
Speaker 3: On the best days, the temperatures could hit negative seventy
Speaker 3: degrees fahrenheit, and winds whipped by at one hundred twenty
Speaker 3: miles per hour. Ultimately, Camp Century proved to be more
Speaker 3: trouble than it was worth. The facility single nuclear reactor
Speaker 3: only functioned for thirty three months, and the nuclear city
Speaker 3: mint Towo House eleven thousand never had more than two
Speaker 3: hundred inhabitants only thirty three months, say.
Speaker 5: Only thirty three months due not even three whole years.
Speaker 3: But I see where you're going with this, And yes,
Speaker 3: I thought you were going to say something about the
Speaker 3: Thule Air Base. Well, I doubt that there's any relation there,
Speaker 3: But I don't know. There's a relation for thirty three months,
Speaker 3: but not to Thule Air Base. Oh yeah, it might
Speaker 3: be something to it.
Speaker 5: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying. Yeah, the military canceled Project ice Worm
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty three, though the public didn't learn the
Speaker 3: truth about Camp Century until the nineteen nineties. But the
Speaker 3: top secret military project would have long lasting implications for
Speaker 3: the entire world. So now let's talk about this waste,
Speaker 3: which is going to become a problem whether we like
Speaker 3: it or not. And this is again, I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that global warming is caused by humanity. I really don't
Speaker 3: believe that in my heart of hearts. But that being said,
Speaker 3: it doesn't take a genius to look at things and say.
Speaker 5: That, yeah, the earth is in fact heating up.
Speaker 3: The ice sheet is in fact melting right now, and
Speaker 3: yes it will go through a period of freezing as well,
Speaker 3: but as of this very moment, it is melting.
Speaker 5: That's kind of leading to problems.
Speaker 3: Well that's probably the natural cycle.
Speaker 2: But but I will say that the did you know
Speaker 2: that just recently the people over in UK have all,
Speaker 2: you know, put this app on their phone, right And
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was something that was like
Speaker 2: an update that put it on their phone like against
Speaker 2: their will, or if it's something that they downloaded, but
Speaker 2: right now they can, oh what's the term, they can,
Speaker 2: you know, try to play in this new program.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: It's not necessarily something that's being pushed, but it's talking
Speaker 2: about about whenever you walk around, your phone is constantly
Speaker 2: documenting like all your actions and your spending and shit
Speaker 2: like that, and it says for each action, it'll show
Speaker 2: you the allotted amount of carbon that was emitted from
Speaker 2: your actions, right, and so it's like well this, you know,
Speaker 2: this action you you ran or whatever you went for
Speaker 2: a jog and that caused eighty three more micrograms of
Speaker 2: fucking carbon or whatever to the atmosphere. And people are
Speaker 2: like joining it like, oh, that's interesting. I want to
Speaker 2: be able to see it. I want to be able
Speaker 2: to see it. And that's something that people are saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, dude, they get the people excited about this
Speaker 2: shit first, and and it's a voluntary kind of service.
Speaker 2: You don't have to do it but up and you know,
Speaker 2: but once you get to a certain percentage of people
Speaker 2: that are doing it voluntarily, maybe there's some money involved. Hey,
Speaker 2: if you sign up for this, you'll I don't know,
Speaker 2: you get some kind of benefit or something like that,
Speaker 2: right until everybody or the majority starts to get on
Speaker 2: on on the train here, And dude, it's it's calming
Speaker 2: the fucking carbon tax credits and the carbon emissions and
Speaker 2: the people that people are doing it for fun.
Speaker 3: Bro, Like it's crazy. Just past that law. And now
Speaker 3: they're bringing about a social credit score in the UK
Speaker 3: with their Digital Governance Initiative or whatever the fuck it's called.
Speaker 3: That's happening now. Yeah, we're I mean, I don't think
Speaker 3: we're very far behind. And to be honest, I think
Speaker 3: that the look, we tried to sound the alarm, and
Speaker 3: we're just one podcast amongst thousands of podcasts that were
Speaker 3: trying to sound the alarm against the COVID vaccines. And
Speaker 3: still whatever percentage you think, maybe it's sixty percent, maybe
Speaker 3: it's eighty percent, maybe it's seventy percent, whatever, how many
Speaker 3: of those people actually got at least the first vaccine
Speaker 3: and countless others getting the second and third and the
Speaker 3: seventeenth and all those other ones. It's like the majority
Speaker 3: got the COVID vaccine. I don't know if it's a
Speaker 3: vast majority, it is greater than fifty percent. And if
Speaker 3: you can get greater than fifty percent of people to
Speaker 3: do something just by the government telling them that it
Speaker 3: is a good thing to do, dude, I'm telling you
Speaker 3: like it's it's not a good look. And that's why
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that all this carbon shit and the social
Speaker 2: credit system that is coming here on, I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's gonna happen next year. I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's gonna happen five years from now, ten years from now.
Speaker 2: It's coming like it is, it's not an if it's
Speaker 2: a win.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm hoping it doesn't here. And the reason why
Speaker 3: this passed in England is because like for instance, they're
Speaker 3: monitoring what they're posting online and now that's going to
Speaker 3: play into their bank accounts because the social credit system
Speaker 3: and all these things, right, they don't have freedom of
Speaker 3: speech in the British Commonwealth.
Speaker 5: We do here.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that maybe America could learn from our
Speaker 3: you know, homies across the pond and be like, hey,
Speaker 3: that's a really dumb idea. We don't want to do that,
Speaker 3: because again, China put that in years ago and they
Speaker 3: have been horrible to their people because of it. Now
Speaker 3: UK's following suit because of the anti Islamic movement and
Speaker 3: they don't like that in the governments and now they're
Speaker 3: going to monitor people and say what they want to say.
Speaker 3: It's it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: Credit system in China was I believe it started in
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, if I'm not mistaken, it was like really
Speaker 2: not that long ago in the scope of things, right,
Speaker 2: And now other countries are starting to do it. I'm
Speaker 2: saying it's a fucking domino effect, like people are going
Speaker 2: to see, like governments are going to see that there
Speaker 2: is some kind of monetary benefit that's all they need.
Speaker 3: Well it's not even that, dude, Yes it is, but
Speaker 3: there's more to it. Look at China, they are doing
Speaker 3: it not only in their own country. They have multiple
Speaker 3: China Chinese Secret police outposts in America to bag and
Speaker 3: tag Chinese nationals that happen to be here for school
Speaker 3: or whatever, to ship them back home for you know,
Speaker 3: prison if they post too many anti communist sentiments on
Speaker 3: their social media. While in America, the UK is going
Speaker 3: to do the exact same thing. It's it's mind blowing
Speaker 3: how this domino effect happens, and they know it will happen,
Speaker 3: but they're still saying, go for it. And that's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I think that, like, yeah, there are certain countries that
Speaker 2: are absolutely going through it right now, but one the
Speaker 2: United States gets on that train, the world's fucked.
Speaker 3: I agree, And I hope that America stays America. You know,
Speaker 3: that's just my hope. America. Yeah, I don't. I don't
Speaker 3: have a lot of faith in it. Well, to be fair,
Speaker 3: I don't have a lot of faith in humanity, not
Speaker 3: just America. I don't have faith in just the human
Speaker 3: race to do well by itself. It just it's the
Speaker 3: math is the math on this one.
Speaker 5: I mean, we had a good.
Speaker 3: Run, you know.
Speaker 5: I mean I.
Speaker 3: I put it on governments personally, both.
Speaker 5: I think it's both at the same time.
Speaker 3: Honestly, the governments are doing there the lion's share of
Speaker 3: the bad shit to the population, but the population is
Speaker 3: also not doing themselves any favors.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, of course, the population is not doing
Speaker 2: themselves any favors whenever they're being poisoned and MK ultra
Speaker 2: it into believing that there is lack.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's very true. But I mean we're also
Speaker 3: living the day and age of information. It doesn't take
Speaker 3: anybody with a brainstem that long to google and find
Speaker 3: exactly what the fuck they're looking for, whether it's good
Speaker 3: information or bad information. But my point is that a
Speaker 3: lot of people are not doing any kind of digging
Speaker 3: on their own. They're just listening to whatever talking head
Speaker 3: A is saying against talking head B, and they're just
Speaker 3: kind of aligning themselves with what they think is more accurate.
Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot of biased kind of stuff exactly.
Speaker 2: You know, it's echo chamber kind of things. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: the algorithms are built in that way. The algorithm knows
Speaker 2: what you like, and it's going to keep on feeding
Speaker 2: you what you like, and then before you know it,
Speaker 2: people are so biased that they absolutely believe that their
Speaker 2: belief and not even like a religious thing, but overall
Speaker 2: of everything, that they believe that what they believe about
Speaker 2: everything is correct because they're stuck in this fucking echo chamber.
Speaker 3: It's a matrix. Absolutely is it, absolutely is, all right,
Speaker 3: So now let's get into it here.
Speaker 5: The Cold War waste beneath the ice.
Speaker 3: After ending Project ice Worm, Camp Century continue to operate
Speaker 3: on a limited basis until nineteen sixty six, with an
Speaker 3: annual snowfall of four feet. However, the abandoned nuclear city
Speaker 3: was increasingly married under snow and ice. Its tunnels eventually collapsed,
Speaker 3: and the US Army moved out for good. But they
Speaker 3: left tons of hazardous wiste behind. And no, I don't
Speaker 3: mean tons in the figuratives, and I mean the literal sense.
Speaker 3: The Army thought that the new snow would bury the
Speaker 3: radioactive coolant, diesel fuel, and wastewater. A twenty sixteen study, however,
Speaker 3: showed that they were wrong. Camp Century waste stretched the
Speaker 3: size of one hundred football fields, and Arctic warming will
Speaker 3: expose the waste by the end of the century. They
Speaker 3: thought it would never be exposed. Climate scientists William Colgan
Speaker 3: told The Guardian in twenty sixteen. Back then in the sixties,
Speaker 3: the term global warming had not even been coined. But
Speaker 3: the climate is changing and the question now is whether
Speaker 3: what's down there is going to stay down there.
Speaker 5: Now, I gotta keep in mind the nineteen.
Speaker 3: Sixties, dude, they believe that global cooling was a thing.
Speaker 3: They thought that we were on the precipice of another
Speaker 3: ice age, right, because that's what all of the experts
Speaker 3: were telling people.
Speaker 5: All of these things.
Speaker 3: We've read news articles and washed news reports of people
Speaker 3: back then talking about global cooling. Then they were thinking
Speaker 3: the scientists when they abandoned the site, they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 3: global cooling is a thing anyway, all of that's gonna
Speaker 3: basically be frozen in time and encapsulated, so fuck it,
Speaker 3: it's not going anywhere. And now they're like, e if
Speaker 3: things can go in on the trajectory, they're going down
Speaker 3: in about one hundred years, all this waste is going
Speaker 3: to leach across and make its way to the ocean.
Speaker 3: Which is not going to be good for the environment
Speaker 3: or the people. But I think you shall see me
Speaker 3: goes on. It's just sick a cold dude. Like the
Speaker 3: Earth has its cycles.
Speaker 2: It has to go through these cycles, almost like the
Speaker 2: Earth is, dare I say, reincarnating every few thousand years
Speaker 2: at a certain point, because it's shedding off. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's shutting off. It's like fucking cocoon at a certain point,
Speaker 2: like it is growing and then devolving and growing and
Speaker 2: then evolving. It's like the Earth has a fucking it's breathing,
Speaker 2: I think is I was gonna.
Speaker 3: Say breathing, not reincarnating. I think it's inhaling and exhaling,
Speaker 3: if you will. But also has to go for the
Speaker 3: reason for the whole global warming thing. And I'm all
Speaker 3: about listen, you don't need to pollute the earth, like
Speaker 3: I can agree with that. We don't need to be
Speaker 3: pumping horrible chemicals into our air, into our water supply
Speaker 3: like that's horrible, right. I would like for my children
Speaker 3: to hunt and fish in the same land that I
Speaker 3: grew up hunting and fishing it, and my grandchildren and
Speaker 3: their children after them. But I'm also not gonna sit
Speaker 3: here and act like carbon you mean, the thing that
Speaker 3: all life is based on on this planet. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: it is the fucking bad guy on this one. That's
Speaker 3: fucking retarded.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, But I will say, like I actually
Speaker 2: stick more to I mean, maybe reincarnation of the Earth
Speaker 2: is you know, a bit of a drastic term, but
Speaker 2: the Earth has gone through like death phases if you
Speaker 2: think about it, like the Ice Age, I mean, fucking
Speaker 2: everything was dead, dude, everything like death.
Speaker 3: For the most part. There was there was animals that
Speaker 3: survived it and people that survived it and shit. But yeah,
Speaker 3: to your point, most of the vegetation.
Speaker 2: Was fucked right, right, and then it's gonna get to
Speaker 2: a warmer spot where it's going to you know, turn
Speaker 2: everything into desert at some point or something like that. Right,
Speaker 2: And then you look out in the desert, I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't see too many things living out there, you know,
Speaker 2: unless you're living in like Avasu City, where it's a
Speaker 2: beautiful oasis in the middle of fucking desert area all
Speaker 2: around for sixty miles. But it's like, yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that there is some like it's it's all cyclical like
Speaker 2: it it absolutely, we're just living in the natural cycle
Speaker 2: of the Earth. I think, now, are we helping it
Speaker 2: in some form or fashion. I mean, maybe it's possible,
Speaker 2: but I think that it's probably a fart in the
Speaker 2: wind compared to the natural process of its cyclical reality.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I think it's like and I mean when
Speaker 3: you say we, when you're talking about like America, No,
Speaker 3: I mean humanity in general. Oh well, then no, humanity
Speaker 3: is saying basically, fuck the earth. If you look at
Speaker 3: the amount of waste that is produced from China, Russia
Speaker 3: and India, like right off the rip, you look at
Speaker 3: the amount of pollutants that they're putting into the air
Speaker 3: and into the water and into the earth. Bro America
Speaker 3: has an EPA, And I know that all the screaming
Speaker 3: haired liberals will tell you that America is the ultimate
Speaker 3: bad guy as far as killing the earth goes. Okay,
Speaker 3: we we literally are contributing a drop to the bucket.
Speaker 3: Russia and China and India have bought their own buckets
Speaker 3: because they filled up the ones that they were already given. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's less of an American problem for sure. But anyway,
Speaker 3: all right, so now we are going to talk about
Speaker 3: the restored classified video talking about the nuclear reactor that
Speaker 3: was put in place at this secret camp century underground project.
Speaker 3: Let's watch this and you'll be able to tell it's
Speaker 3: super nineteen sixties. As far as the type of editing,
Speaker 3: the type of camera, and the man's voice that's talking
Speaker 3: about the whole thing.
Speaker 5: It's pretty solid. Let's check it out.
Speaker 7: Was one of the first units to be moved into
Speaker 7: the tunnel prepared to house it. When the condenser was
Speaker 7: slowly wedged forward, small track rollers supported its entire weight.
Speaker 3: It's like Eisenhower's narrownax.
Speaker 7: Still mounted on its special sled. The vapor container was
Speaker 7: eased down the ramp by three tractors, one in front
Speaker 7: pulling and two and back to keep it from slipping.
Speaker 7: To bear the weight of a vapor container, the reactor
Speaker 7: building was constructed around a framework of steel beams. The
Speaker 7: floor was of heavy planking mounted on other steel beams.
Speaker 7: We had to use hand rigging methods, the best we
Speaker 7: could do under the confined condition to put the nuclear
Speaker 7: equipment in place. Every step had to be checked very carefully,
Speaker 7: since the power plant had been pre fitted in the
Speaker 7: United States and must be emplaced within a tolerance of
Speaker 7: one eighth of an inch The power plant consisted of
Speaker 7: four basic elements, a nuclear heat source, equipment that would
Speaker 7: convert the heat energy into electrical energy, and a system
Speaker 7: to dispose of excess heat, all regulated by an extensive
Speaker 7: network of instruments and controls.
Speaker 3: Real quick, you heard him say that everything had to
Speaker 3: be done within a tolerance of an eighth of an inch,
Speaker 3: because that's how serious it is that everything nuclear stays
Speaker 3: exactly where the fuck you put it. So within a
Speaker 3: few years a five foot drop. Yeah, they were looking
Speaker 3: at making a fucking greenland chernobyl if they didn't get
Speaker 3: this shit, you know, situated, and then they basically were like, ah,
Speaker 3: fuck it, we're done here, but anyway, we're going to continue.
Speaker 7: The last buildings to be assembled were those that would
Speaker 7: contain the nuclear sections. These shells were built around the
Speaker 7: nuclear system equipment only after every major component had been
Speaker 7: put in place. The next phase was to be the
Speaker 7: activation of the nuclear power planet. Wearing the white safety
Speaker 7: hat is Captain Jim Barnett, in charge of this operation,
Speaker 7: who will tell you about this critical phase.
Speaker 4: We took every call in the book and some that
Speaker 4: weren't there, to make sure this would work right the
Speaker 4: first time. When the entire system had been carefully tested,
Speaker 4: it was put into operation. We were then ready to
Speaker 4: begin loading the reactor core. One by one, the fuel
Speaker 4: elements were removed from the barrels in which they'd been shipped,
Speaker 4: carefully separated from one another. Each of these bars, containing
Speaker 4: approximately five hundred grams of uranium two thirty five, was
Speaker 4: then unwrapped, inspected, and wipe clean of any dust. Crewmen
Speaker 4: wearing protective clothing began to load the fuel elements into
Speaker 4: a fuel storage tank. This preliminary test proved that the
Speaker 4: fuel elements, when assembled, would not go active prematurely. After
Speaker 4: each element was in place, instruments were read and an
Speaker 4: evacuation of reactivity was made and reported over loud speakers.
Speaker 4: The crewmen were protected by a shield of approximately eight
Speaker 4: feet of water as they lowered the fuel elements into
Speaker 4: the fuel storage tank. Later, each of these steel and
Speaker 4: uranium bars would be transferred under water to the nearby
Speaker 4: reactive core. Every step of the testing was meticulously monitored
Speaker 4: and regular announcements made to the workers assigned to the
Speaker 4: loading crew. Total U two thirty five content of the
Speaker 4: assembled core is one three point three seven six kilograms.
Speaker 4: Coefficient of reactivity zero point nine three five. The assembly
Speaker 4: is still subcritical. When all preliminary tests were completed, we
Speaker 4: began to transfer the fuel elements one by one and
Speaker 4: started loading the reactor core. As each fuel element went
Speaker 4: into place, the count rate of neutrons released gradually increased
Speaker 4: within the core. To prevent the reactor from inadvertently going critical,
Speaker 4: control rods were in place. This gradual activation of the
Speaker 4: pile took almost nine hours. In this tense atmosphere, we
Speaker 4: changed crews twice above us. It was dark and miserable.
Speaker 4: With the approach of winter. The sun was preparing to
Speaker 4: set for the year. Finally, our meters reported a significant
Speaker 4: increase of reactivity. The whole camp was standing by waiting tense.
Speaker 4: By the ninth hour, the last fuel element had gone
Speaker 4: into place. A plot showed the location of every bar.
Speaker 4: Then the control rods were gradually withdrawn until the reactor
Speaker 4: went critical at six fifty two am. Now it is
Speaker 4: with all lies of more rods withdrawn, sixty point two
Speaker 4: more ages PM two A when critical is hosting five
Speaker 4: two hours.
Speaker 8: Within the next few weeks, the final touches were put
Speaker 8: to Camp Century today powered by its nuclear reactor. This
Speaker 8: unique installation is a completely modern community deep under the ice.
Speaker 8: This is a far cry from the primitive James Way
Speaker 8: huts of the work camp, where three showers serve two
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty men. Here there are showers for all
Speaker 8: and facilities for every modern convenience.
Speaker 3: All right, So you could see how they the nuclear
Speaker 3: power cores was kind of the entire thing with this, right,
Speaker 3: That was the reactor that powered the entire facility, and
Speaker 3: that was what they told the Danish government that that's
Speaker 3: what they were doing as far as the uh, you know,
Speaker 3: as far as the the nuclear quote unquote side of
Speaker 3: this camp was concerned. However, that is not exactly accurate,
Speaker 3: because they were trying to house hundreds, if not thousands
Speaker 3: of nuclear warheads there. Yeah, that's that's pretty wild that
Speaker 3: all of that is just going on over there, and
Speaker 3: that it's pretty cool though about how it was able
Speaker 3: to just power everything up though, And I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm a huge proponent of nuclear power. I wish that
Speaker 3: we as a society and we as a country would
Speaker 3: lean more heavily into that. However, people have their trepidations
Speaker 3: towards it because of Chernobyl and because of Fukushima and
Speaker 3: things like that. And I get it, I totally do,
Speaker 3: because when something goes wrong on the nuclear side, it
Speaker 3: goes wrong like it's not like a you know, a
Speaker 3: power plant blowing up, and you know, once the explosion happens,
Speaker 3: the damage is done and that's it. Nuclear power can
Speaker 3: lead to some very horrible things, and I get that.
Speaker 3: But we also have come a very very far away
Speaker 3: in our understanding as far as nuclear energy is concerned.
Speaker 2: But anyway, yeah, but if we look, I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't go to Iran to fight for nuclear power.
Speaker 3: You need that oil. Baby, Well you're right, Well you
Speaker 3: can't go to Africa to fight for it. What would
Speaker 3: be your reason for going to war in the Middle
Speaker 3: East at that point? You know, I guess you're right.
Speaker 3: We got to keep that boogey man going, got to But.
Speaker 2: Hey, but you know, war is good for the economy.
Speaker 2: You know, it's it puts it puts food on the table.
Speaker 2: You know, it's a double edged sword, dude, it absolutely is.
Speaker 2: But anyway, all right, so this article here is from
Speaker 2: a g a guppa bus a guppuss.
Speaker 3: I can't pronounce the fucking word line library, what is it?
Speaker 3: Au pubs, AGU Pubs. So it looks like I think
Speaker 3: you might be onto something there. Anyway, we're gonna skip
Speaker 3: over the top because it just talks about reiterating what
Speaker 3: we've already covered. But I did want to get into
Speaker 3: the abandoned wastes that were left behind. Some of the
Speaker 3: measurements we're gonna skip over because it's in the scientific
Speaker 3: terms of it. It's like nine point two to the
Speaker 3: ten times ten to the third tons and things like
Speaker 3: that we've already covered.
Speaker 5: It's a funck ton, all right.
Speaker 3: It's tons of diesel, it's tons of radioactive waste and
Speaker 3: sewage water and all these things that they know are
Speaker 3: going to leach out. But we're gonna get to it all.
Speaker 3: But anyway, let's read. So where you want to start at.
Speaker 3: We first inventory.
Speaker 2: We first inventory the nature and quantity of abandoned waste
Speaker 2: buried at the Camp Century site. Physical waste such as
Speaker 2: buildings and railway is approximately a lot, and chemical waste
Speaker 2: is estimated two to the tenth to the fifth power
Speaker 2: of leader of diesel fuel. And yeah, why don't you
Speaker 2: read that because I don't understand all this terminology.
Speaker 3: I don't understand these either, two times ten to the
Speaker 3: fifth leaders of diesel fuel, which I understand. I appreciate
Speaker 3: them giving us the scientific breakdowns of it. Be like, yo,
Speaker 3: we we operate in freedom units here, what the fuck
Speaker 3: is that?
Speaker 5: But all right?
Speaker 3: And a non trivial quantity of polychlorinated bifenales or BCPs
Speaker 3: biological waste consists of, you know, there's a bunch of
Speaker 3: gray water, including sewage, disposed in unlined sumps.
Speaker 5: Previously acknowledged radiological waste.
Speaker 3: Coolant for the portable nuclear Generator had a bulk radioactivity
Speaker 3: of one point two times ten to the ninth bqes
Speaker 3: at the time of its disposal, which was between nineteen
Speaker 3: sixty and nineteen sixty three in an unline sump. While
Speaker 3: non trivial and absolute terms, this radiological waste is small
Speaker 3: compared to the less than four point six times ten
Speaker 3: to the twelfth bq accidentally dispersing in the vicinity of
Speaker 3: the Thule Air Base in nineteen sixty eight. So they're
Speaker 3: basically saying that all this waste was left in these
Speaker 3: unlined sum because they were just dug into the ice
Speaker 3: and they thought that it was just going to be
Speaker 3: left there and frozen over. They would never they didn't
Speaker 3: ligne any of the sumps. They didn't put the waste
Speaker 3: into any kind of enclosed container. They just pretty much
Speaker 3: left it in a hole in the ice and figured
Speaker 3: that they'd be fine there.
Speaker 5: And it's obviously not persistent.
Speaker 3: Organic pollutants, including BCPs, are one of three broad classes
Speaker 3: of chemical toxins of global significance. Due to relatively low
Speaker 3: air temperatures which favor persistent POP, which is persistent organic
Speaker 3: pollutants deposition, the Arctic has so far been a global
Speaker 3: sink for pops released in the lower altitudes. Glacierized regions
Speaker 3: are now poised to become a POP source, however, as
Speaker 3: rapid warming there remobilizes pops that have been stored in
Speaker 3: the cryosphere. While substantial PCB remedate remediation efforts have been
Speaker 3: undertaken in the majority of sixty three former distant Early warnings,
Speaker 3: which are bases built along the Arctic circle in the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties, and those are those base that we talked about,
Speaker 3: where these big radio bases that are basically set there
Speaker 3: just to watch to see if any Soviet movements that's
Speaker 3: happened in the Arctic, right, those are the distant early
Speaker 3: warning bases. Camp Centry is the only one of the
Speaker 3: five abandoned and unremediated ice sheet bases in the vicinity
Speaker 3: of Dual Air Base. PCBs were well suited for Arctic
Speaker 3: use in the insulating fluids and paints given their high
Speaker 3: heat capacity, low flammability and physical flexibility, and PCB concentration
Speaker 3: in some plants or some paints used by these bases
Speaker 3: exceeds five percent by weight. We therefore speculate that PCBs
Speaker 3: are the most consequential waste at Camp Centry. We next
Speaker 3: assess the extent and depth of these abandoned wastes. The
Speaker 3: Camp Centry tunnel network covers an area of which we
Speaker 3: already talked about that miles. Based on modeled vertical at
Speaker 3: vection rates, the majority of solid waste is now likely
Speaker 3: buried approximately thirty six meters deep due to the relatively
Speaker 3: efficient movement of liquids with.
Speaker 5: An impermeable firm.
Speaker 3: The burial depth of refrozen sumps is less than certain,
Speaker 3: but is unlikely they are now shallower than sixty five
Speaker 3: meters deep.
Speaker 5: A notable exception is diesel.
Speaker 3: Fuel, which was stored in rigid tanks at tunnel depth
Speaker 3: and may even remain liquid to date. Although the tanks
Speaker 3: have likely ruptured. Independent airborne ice penetrating radar observation record
Speaker 3: strong anomalous reflections at locations and depths consistent with inferred
Speaker 3: tunnel positions and model waste depths. Unfortunately, these observations alone
Speaker 3: are insufficient to delineate the extent and depth of all
Speaker 3: abandoned waste at Camp Century. Our inferred vertical at vection
Speaker 3: rate profile suggests that solid and liquid waste will reside
Speaker 3: at depth of sixty seven to ninety three meters respectively
Speaker 3: in twenty ninety, so mean for the layman. So basically
Speaker 3: what they're saying is like, Okay, the diesel was probably
Speaker 3: stored in tanks and it might be okay, but it
Speaker 3: probably did rupture. But they're going to be where they were,
Speaker 3: So we're talking somewhere as of right now. If you're
Speaker 3: on the surface, standing on top of what was once
Speaker 3: Camp Century, then you would have to drill, now just
Speaker 3: with a shovel, you would have to drill through hard
Speaker 3: ice sixty seven to ninety three meters to reach any
Speaker 3: of the waste that you would have to then carefully
Speaker 3: clean out and dispose of properly. And that is an
Speaker 3: expensive undertaking that no one is wanting to do, which
Speaker 3: is why there's so much conversation whether whose fault is it.
Speaker 3: Is it up to the Americans to clean up their mess? Well,
Speaker 3: it's Greenland now, so that's like, that's their problem to
Speaker 3: clean up. But it was the Danish government that gave
Speaker 3: them permission, so it's their responsibility to clean up. In reality,
Speaker 3: it's going to probably fall to America. But I have
Speaker 3: a hard time believing America is going to send a
Speaker 3: team over there to clean it up and probably just
Speaker 3: let it ride until it becomes a problem that they
Speaker 3: can't avoid, honestly. But the PCBs, for anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 3: PCBs are directly linked to cancers. They have been outlawed
Speaker 3: in the United States as far as the manufacturing of them,
Speaker 3: I want to say since the seventies. However, it's kind
Speaker 3: of like lead based paints, right, like they have outlawed
Speaker 3: those for forever. However, PCBs sometimes are accidentally made as
Speaker 3: a byproduct of other processes, so they are still around
Speaker 3: in some cases. But at least in this country, especially
Speaker 3: with ocean, the EPA and all of our things, we
Speaker 3: mitigate that and we dispose of them to the best
Speaker 3: of our abilities in a proper way. They're just chilling
Speaker 3: there in the ice and as of this moment, it's
Speaker 3: like they're dormant. Right. But if this ice sheet melts,
Speaker 3: like they're suspecting that it will, that's not gonna take
Speaker 3: much effort for it to run off and go into
Speaker 3: the ocean, and that's gonna have damages that will never
Speaker 3: be able to be undone, honestly. And I know what
Speaker 3: people are thinking, Well, it's the Arctic. I mean, how
Speaker 3: many things actually live there? You know? How many animals
Speaker 3: do we really need to worry about in the Arctic?
Speaker 4: Bro?
Speaker 3: The problem is that the Arctic is connected to all
Speaker 3: the other water on Earth. It's only gonna take a
Speaker 3: little bit of time before that disperses all the way around.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine nuclear acid rain?
Speaker 3: I don't want to. I don't want to. And I'm
Speaker 3: not even saying that that's a real possibility because of
Speaker 3: the amount that we're talking about here, but it adds
Speaker 3: to the overall problem, right. And we were just talking
Speaker 3: about how, if anything, America might be contributing a drop
Speaker 3: to the bucket.
Speaker 5: This will be more like America adding a cup to
Speaker 5: the bucket. You see what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying right right. So anyway, let's see Camp sentry as
Speaker 3: built map georeference in nineteen sixty is the gray area
Speaker 3: here on this figure, and in twenty twenty the black
Speaker 3: locations based on past surveys of the borehole locations and
Speaker 3: horizon A advections associated with the ice flow. So this
Speaker 3: is pretty much what it was supposed to be and
Speaker 3: this is what it actually was. But either way it goes.
Speaker 3: It was a pretty sizable undertaking. Now let's talk about
Speaker 3: the climate projections and how that relates to this. We
Speaker 3: now evaluate GRSSMB using the Regional Climate Model to assess
Speaker 3: whether increased surface melting associated with climate change could remobilize
Speaker 3: abandoned wastes at Camp Centry. We use simulations that are
Speaker 3: forced by the Canadian Earth System Model Version two and
Speaker 3: Norwegian Earth System Model Version one global circulation models, using
Speaker 3: historical simulations from nineteen fifty to two thousand and five
Speaker 3: and representative concentration pathways. The RCP eight point nine climate
Speaker 3: scenario may be regarded as a business as usual scenario
Speaker 3: that assumes little deviation from recent trends in anthropogenic greenhouse
Speaker 3: gas emissions. Both simulations which are calibrated to observe mean
Speaker 3: SMB during nineteen fifty nineteen ninety nine to correct for
Speaker 3: systematic biases, predict increased surface melting in northwestern Greenland through
Speaker 3: two thousand and one hundred at Camp century. Both of
Speaker 3: these projects that increased in snowfall will exceed increases in melt,
Speaker 3: maintaining consistently positive SMB net accumulation through twenty one hundred. Conversely,
Speaker 3: another one of these things, projects that increased in surface melt,
Speaker 3: will not be offset by increases in snowfall, resulting in
Speaker 3: a transition to negative SMB or net oblationon around twenty ninety.
Speaker 3: So looking at these graphs here the first one on
Speaker 3: the top left here a surface mass balance in northwest
Speaker 3: Greenland during the nineteen fifties, and then B is simulated
Speaker 3: forced by can ESMR two. Under that the color bars
Speaker 3: saturate at minimum and maximum values. The blue shading denotes
Speaker 3: the accumulation area where surfaces mass balance is positive, the
Speaker 3: surface mass balance and its components at Camp century during
Speaker 3: the nineteen fifties to twenty one hundred as simulated by
Speaker 3: this program, and the dashline denonates polynomal polynomial trends so
Speaker 3: this is what it once was, this is what they're
Speaker 3: saying it's going to be. You know what, though, the
Speaker 3: the climate simulations are always so off, I know, I know,
Speaker 3: and it's very possible that this is under the worst
Speaker 3: case scenario ever kind of conversation, and I get that
Speaker 3: it's always seem stayed to the climate apologis right. But
Speaker 3: this part right here is camp in the Uh, that's
Speaker 3: the shit. I can't think of it now. Camp century.
Speaker 3: This is where it will be, which means that there
Speaker 3: could be hypothetically a lot of runoff from underneath the ground.
Speaker 3: And even still, we're talking about sixty to ninety meters
Speaker 3: under the surface, so there's nothing to say that it
Speaker 3: will absolutely leach into the water. They're saying that if
Speaker 3: things continue on the trend that they have been, it
Speaker 3: is very possible that it will. Now, this is not
Speaker 3: going to be a problem that we you and I
Speaker 3: or even probably our children will have to deal with,
Speaker 3: but it may be a problem that they're going to
Speaker 3: have to deal with in another one hundred years. And again,
Speaker 3: I don't know if they're going to figure out a
Speaker 3: way to clean this up before that comes to that.
Speaker 2: Probably not, No, I mean, yeah, it's usually kicked the
Speaker 2: can down the road kind of situation whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean so. Talking about the political context of
Speaker 3: all of this, now, the general existence of Camp century
Speaker 3: was understood by both the Danish and US governments, which
Speaker 3: together signed the nineteen fifty one Defense of Greenland Agreement
Speaker 3: under the auspices of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization or NATO.
Speaker 3: The USACE reports acknowledged that the presence of Danish liaisons
Speaker 3: involved in the planning and environmental monitoring of Camp Century.
Speaker 3: These reports, for example, suggest Danish permission for the operational
Speaker 3: disposal of radiological waste in the ice sheet. However, it
Speaker 3: is unclear whether Denmark was sufficiently consulted regarding the specific
Speaker 3: decommissioning of Camp Century, and thus whether the abandoned waste
Speaker 3: were there remain US property. Article six of the nineteen
Speaker 3: fifty one treaty states that quote, all property provided by
Speaker 3: the Government of the United States of America and located
Speaker 3: in Greenland shall remain the property of the Government of
Speaker 3: the United States in America. It may be removed from
Speaker 3: Greenland free of any restrictions, or disposed of in Greenland
Speaker 3: by the Government of the United States of America after
Speaker 3: consultation with the Danish authorities. Emphasis added on the part
Speaker 3: where it says after consultation with the Danish authorities. Given
Speaker 3: the multinational origin and multi generational legacy of CAMP century,
Speaker 3: there appears to be substantial ambiguity surrounding the political and
Speaker 3: legal liability associated with mitigating the potential remobilization of its
Speaker 3: pollutants interests. Interests likely differ across NATO members, particularly Denmark,
Speaker 3: the US, and Canada, partly because of the year distinct
Speaker 3: levels of historical participation and their future potential for pollutant exposure.
Speaker 3: Our study highlights that CAMP century now possesses unanticipated political
Speaker 3: significance in the light of anthropogenic climate change. The potential
Speaker 3: remobilization of waste that were previously regarded as properly sequestered
Speaker 3: or pre obviously for eternity is an instance, possibly the
Speaker 3: first of potentially new pathway to political dispute associated with
Speaker 3: climate change. Several such pathways have already been identified, including
Speaker 3: disputes over emission reductions, changing agricultural patterns, forced migration, and
Speaker 3: newly accessible Arctic resources. While we have focused on cryospheric
Speaker 3: change in the Arctic, the effects of climate remobilization or
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. The effects of climate change are multifaceted and
Speaker 3: far reaching. Sea level rise, for instance, is now poised
Speaker 3: to remobilize hazardous to waste at low lying decommissioned sites,
Speaker 3: civilian and military alike. Climate change is thus likely to
Speaker 3: amplify political disputes associated with abandoned wastes in a variety
Speaker 3: of settings. In this context, the shifting fate of the
Speaker 3: abandoned ice sheet military bases under climate change may provide
Speaker 3: a microcosm through which to examine the multinational and multi
Speaker 3: generational challenges presented by climate change. So again, they are
Speaker 3: of the belief that climate change is just always going
Speaker 3: to be our problem, right, But when it comes to
Speaker 3: a site like this, we did this, like America absolutely
Speaker 3: did this, and instead of disposing of this waste properly
Speaker 3: or removing the waste, they just abandon it. The nuclear
Speaker 3: reactor is still down there. All the waste, all the sewage,
Speaker 3: all the diesel, all the paints that was used, all
Speaker 3: these things, they're still down there. And if it stays frozen,
Speaker 3: then it's gonna just stay frozen, right, locked in time.
Speaker 3: Call it a time capsule to a cold War era far,
Speaker 3: you know, be removed from us. But if this ice
Speaker 3: sheet continues to melt, which it is starting to make
Speaker 3: a lot of motions like it's going to now we
Speaker 3: are on a time crunch to where do we know
Speaker 3: if it's only gonna melt one meter and then go
Speaker 3: back into a frozen tundra. Do we know if it's
Speaker 3: gonna melt twenty? How do we know it's not gonna
Speaker 3: melt sixty? How do we know it's not gonna melt
Speaker 3: all the way down to where this becomes open air?
Speaker 3: And we now have a bigger problem to deal with,
Speaker 3: right yep? So go ahead, No, I was just agreeing
Speaker 3: with you. Now, so I have this pulled up here,
Speaker 3: the Nuclear Free Future Foundation, Now I should mention that
Speaker 3: I have a lot of issues with their entire premise.
Speaker 3: I again am somebody that believes that we should lie
Speaker 3: rely more heavily on nuclear power into our future and
Speaker 3: moving forward. However, this was also a project that was
Speaker 3: done in the nineteen fifties and sixties, and they didn't
Speaker 3: have a lot of real understanding. They understood a lot
Speaker 3: as far as nuclear capabilities were concerned, but this is
Speaker 3: before anybody had had any real, real nuclear catastrophe take place,
Speaker 3: but they knew it couldn't be good. Their tolerance was
Speaker 3: to go within an eighth of an inch of level ground.
Speaker 3: They dropped five feet like they knew that there was
Speaker 3: nothing they could do to stop this ice from melting.
Speaker 3: Their constructions under the ice actually made the ice more
Speaker 3: elastic and shifting more. So they knew it was only
Speaker 3: a matter of time before it all came crashing down.
Speaker 3: And they knew that there was no way they were
Speaker 3: going to be able to have the miles of tunnels
Speaker 3: or house eleven thousand people here like they were planning. Again,
Speaker 3: it only got to like two hundred people that were
Speaker 3: there at any given time. So when they abandoned, they
Speaker 3: basically cut bait and ran and left all the equipment
Speaker 3: still there under the ice. It's still there, now, get
Speaker 3: I'm fucked up a ron a little bit, A little
Speaker 3: bit going on here. I'm not going to read the
Speaker 3: entire article, but I thought some of these graphs were
Speaker 3: rather interesting to look at. So when you look at
Speaker 3: the biggest contributors to nuclear.
Speaker 5: Water or dumped water if.
Speaker 3: You say nuclear waste disposed of in the ocean, Interra
Speaker 3: bec Tarra becrels, which I've never even heard of that amount,
Speaker 3: But there you go.
Speaker 5: So we should just make a mention of this.
Speaker 3: America is not the top dog as far as polluting
Speaker 3: the earth goes. By this logic, Russia has dumped nearly
Speaker 3: forty thousand Tara beckrels into the ocean. UK is dumped
Speaker 3: over thirty five k. The United States has dumped under
Speaker 3: thirty five hundred. Yeah, we're a small fish in the
Speaker 3: sewage pond, but we also that is because we have
Speaker 3: an EPA and we actually give a fuck. Like, I understand,
Speaker 3: the heavy industry does pollute the earth, and I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna sidestep that knowledge. What I am gonna say is
Speaker 3: that we are doing it leaps and bounds better than
Speaker 3: most of our competitors, especially when you talk about the
Speaker 3: Cold War, dude. But anyway, that was all I really
Speaker 3: wanted to show on this one, is that although this
Speaker 3: is an American problem, it's not like this is a
Speaker 3: crazy precedence for something that has never been talked about before.
Speaker 3: America knows that pollution is a real thing, and we
Speaker 3: have taken massive strides to try to keep that from happening.
Speaker 2: By the way, that that tara word is tarah beckrel.
Speaker 2: It's it represents one trillion.
Speaker 3: Wow, one trillion what microns grams ounces? One trillion beckrels?
Speaker 3: I guess on whatever the q the beckrel that's the
Speaker 3: unit of measurement for like radioactive isotopes. I got you, so.
Speaker 2: One trillion barrels or I don't know what it was
Speaker 2: referring to, but I just saw it, like what is
Speaker 2: what is terra?
Speaker 3: And it's true? Got you? Got you?
Speaker 5: But anyway, good cult members.
Speaker 3: I thought it was an interesting conversation, right, Project ice Worm,
Speaker 3: the failed attempt at America to not only have a
Speaker 3: nuclear reactor powered camp under the ice in Greenland, but
Speaker 3: also the plan to house all a ton of nuclear
Speaker 3: weapons there. And of course it got abandoned because they
Speaker 3: really tried to fight Mother Nature on her home turf,
Speaker 3: and uh, they got shut up because of it. And now,
Speaker 3: maybe not now, maybe not in fifty years, maybe in
Speaker 3: a hundred years, America's gonna have to answer for the
Speaker 3: waste that may leach out into the water supply. And
Speaker 3: again we have no idea how bad it is down there,
Speaker 3: because we haven't been down there. They're saying that they
Speaker 3: assumed that for instance, the diesel. They assume that it's
Speaker 3: still in the tanks. They probably burst by now, But
Speaker 3: we don't know that. Take that to the level of
Speaker 3: the nuclear waste. We don't even know what type of
Speaker 3: equipment we need to be putting on our people to
Speaker 3: where to dig down there to get to the radioactive
Speaker 3: area to clean it properly. We have no idea because
Speaker 3: this thing has been encapsuled in ice for fifty years.
Speaker 3: Probably just throw some spill pads on it, you know,
Speaker 3: probably not, Probably not when it comes to this. But yeah,
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