WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.800 --> 00:00:05.160 The following presentation is abol Marvis Studio's production. 2 00:00:22.839 --> 00:00:29.760 When you look on the sky, do you feel the poll? 3 00:00:29.920 --> 00:00:32.079 The question why? 4 00:00:33.960 --> 00:00:35.719 The stories told? 5 00:00:36.679 --> 00:00:42.439 And left behind in shadows where the truth we find. 6 00:00:44.799 --> 00:00:51.039 They built their tails on grafts and lives on theories. 7 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.039 They stake their designed. 8 00:00:55.159 --> 00:00:59.600 Put down here on this solid. 9 00:00:59.520 --> 00:01:02.600 Brown the answer screen. 10 00:01:02.960 --> 00:01:04.439 They're all around. 11 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:07.959 Rising break. 12 00:01:08.519 --> 00:01:11.640 Welcome back to truth seekers from around the world. It's 13 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.280 time for another edition of the Flat Earth Files podcast. 14 00:01:15.799 --> 00:01:18.640 I'm your host is always George Hobbs as we record 15 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.920 on this Wednesday, April twenty twenty five, a beautiful day. 16 00:01:22.920 --> 00:01:25.760 I hope everybody's doing well. We have a great guest 17 00:01:25.799 --> 00:01:27.959 today joining us from the state of Florida. His name 18 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:30.920 is Sterling. By the way, his email address will be 19 00:01:30.959 --> 00:01:32.480 in the show notes if you'd like to reach out 20 00:01:32.560 --> 00:01:34.959 to him before we do kick things off today. Just 21 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:38.840 two quick reminders, please do stop by the flat earthfiles 22 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.000 dot com. Whether it's the form or the chat room, 23 00:01:41.640 --> 00:01:45.280 Please do stop buy. And more important, if you would 24 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:48.280 like to come on and share your story like so 25 00:01:48.599 --> 00:01:52.560 many people have before, please send us an email. It 26 00:01:52.640 --> 00:01:56.439 is fe files at gmail dot com. Again, it is 27 00:01:56.640 --> 00:01:59.480 f EF. I'm sorry. Let me say that, right, fe 28 00:01:59.680 --> 00:02:03.640 File guest at gmail dot com. I apologize. F E 29 00:02:04.159 --> 00:02:07.959 Files guest at gmail dot com. We are trying to 30 00:02:07.959 --> 00:02:10.520 fill out the rest of this month to get the 31 00:02:10.560 --> 00:02:12.960 folks on and we have a lot of people already 32 00:02:12.960 --> 00:02:14.599 in the queue, a lot of great interviews that you 33 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:17.479 were really going to enjoy. And again, if you'd like 34 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:20.639 to share your story, it is f. E Files guest 35 00:02:20.800 --> 00:02:23.560 at gmail dot com. So there we go. The housekeeping 36 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:25.560 is out of the way and we're going to bring 37 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.479 on today's guest, and his name is Sterling. Sterling, thank 38 00:02:28.560 --> 00:02:30.759 you again so much for taking the time to join 39 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:31.599 us this afternoon. 40 00:02:32.639 --> 00:02:34.919 Oh of course I'm very excited to be here, so 41 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:36.479 thank you very much. I appreciate it. 42 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:39.039 Yeah, please do take a moment or two and introduce 43 00:02:39.080 --> 00:02:39.960 yourself to the audience. 44 00:02:40.599 --> 00:02:46.479 So, thirty nine year old, divorce, single dad and dating. 45 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:49.439 I've chosen to just be very upfront with my beliefs. 46 00:02:50.280 --> 00:02:53.000 You know, I'm a christ follower, and you know I 47 00:02:53.039 --> 00:02:56.639 have some you know, unique beliefs, like believing or understanding 48 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.599 rather that the earth is flat. And you know, I 49 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:03.439 found the podcast i'd say several months ago, probably six 50 00:03:03.479 --> 00:03:07.240 months ago, and I've just been listening to as much 51 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:08.840 as I can. You know, whenever I'm in the car 52 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.080 running errands, grocery shopping, I'll put my AirPods in, so 53 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:16.120 I just really enjoy the content. And I'm glad that 54 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:18.840 you host this space so that way people like me 55 00:03:18.919 --> 00:03:21.960 and others can just share some enjoyable information. 56 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.400 Sterling. I think it's rather refreshing that you have chosen 57 00:03:26.439 --> 00:03:30.080 to put It's not surprising that so much that you 58 00:03:30.120 --> 00:03:32.680 put your faith in Christ up front, because I think 59 00:03:32.719 --> 00:03:34.479 if you're going to have a life partner, that is 60 00:03:34.560 --> 00:03:37.840 first and foremost important. But as we were talking a 61 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:40.840 little bit before we hit the record button, the stigma 62 00:03:40.919 --> 00:03:44.240 that is attached to certain things and being up fart 63 00:03:44.280 --> 00:03:47.360 about something like that, what kind of responses have you gotten? 64 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:51.960 I think for the most part, because you're a nice guy. 65 00:03:52.039 --> 00:03:53.719 A lot of the people that come on the podcast 66 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:56.680 are nice guys, you kind of get ghosted. I guess 67 00:03:56.719 --> 00:03:59.759 would be the best way. The kids call it. You know, 68 00:04:00.280 --> 00:04:05.840 will be polite and finish the conversation, but it doesn't 69 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:09.240 follow through, but I will. I guess at this particular time, 70 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.639 there is a person I'm courting, you know, use the 71 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.879 uh older terminology and things are going well. She is 72 00:04:17.920 --> 00:04:20.680 not of the same belief that the earth is flat, 73 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:23.120 but she is a christ follower, and there's so many 74 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:26.519 other things that we have in common that I'm realizing, 75 00:04:26.600 --> 00:04:28.519 you know what, you don't have to agree with me 76 00:04:28.600 --> 00:04:31.319 on one hundred percent of everything, but you know, there's 77 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:33.879 just a few core beliefs that we do need to share, 78 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:35.800 and we do. So things have been going great there 79 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:38.480 and I credit the fact that you know, just putting 80 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.959 your putting your truth, like the truth that you believe in. 81 00:04:41.279 --> 00:04:43.759 It just saves so much time. And honestly, it's me 82 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:46.839 being respectful of the other person's time because if you 83 00:04:46.879 --> 00:04:49.519 can't get past that, then we shouldn't be you know, 84 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.800 shouldn't be buying dinner, It shouldn't be spending time together 85 00:04:52.920 --> 00:04:55.560 because you know, the word that I like using is 86 00:04:55.560 --> 00:04:58.480 it's fruitless, you know what I mean, It just doesn't 87 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:01.959 make any sense to So that's why I do it 88 00:05:01.959 --> 00:05:02.319 that way. 89 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:07.000 That's all great points, and we know, whether it be 90 00:05:07.040 --> 00:05:11.920 from our guests or our own personal history, is that 91 00:05:13.600 --> 00:05:16.000 it does take a while to comprehend, and in many 92 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:20.120 cases you have to be given many different instances of 93 00:05:20.639 --> 00:05:23.639 proof to get over it, and everybody has their own journey. 94 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:25.879 And again, for me, if I didn't have all these 95 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:29.000 other rabbit holes that I went down first, I probably 96 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:33.600 would have not even ever taken the time. I wanted 97 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:35.519 to run this by. This is a little differently than 98 00:05:35.560 --> 00:05:38.079 I do, but I came across this article yesterday and 99 00:05:38.360 --> 00:05:40.519 I want to run this past you because you are 100 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:45.920 a believer in Jesus. And when we talk about people 101 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:49.639 who have a set belief, a common belief, like in 102 00:05:49.639 --> 00:05:52.639 our faith in Jesus, but in some cases, not only 103 00:05:52.680 --> 00:05:55.519 do they say, hey, that flatter thing is a little 104 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.079 out there, but people who take the time to go 105 00:05:59.199 --> 00:06:02.480 against it and effort to go against it without it 106 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:04.160 shocks me. So I'm going to give you an example 107 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.439 of sterling and then we'll get into it. But I 108 00:06:06.480 --> 00:06:08.839 wanted to do this upfront. Here is a little different. 109 00:06:09.199 --> 00:06:10.920 So there was a story written a while ago, the 110 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:14.319 Answers and Genesis. The Kenham folks, the people who believe 111 00:06:14.399 --> 00:06:17.199 in you know, the earth is sixty five hundred years old, 112 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:20.759 that you can go to the arc experience, and they 113 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:23.920 are all about like, this is what the Bible says, 114 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:26.079 and this is how we should believe it. But they 115 00:06:26.120 --> 00:06:31.000 write article after article going after flat earth and proclaiming 116 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.279 that the Bible doesn't teach it. So, combined with what 117 00:06:34.319 --> 00:06:38.160 we talked about before the podcast, how is it in 118 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:41.120 your mind why some people can see things so clearly 119 00:06:41.160 --> 00:06:44.439 but in this one particular subject that they just can't 120 00:06:44.480 --> 00:06:47.079 see through the clouds of deception. 121 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:51.399 Yeah, I definitely don't know why, but I've had the 122 00:06:51.399 --> 00:06:55.319 same observation. One thing that has helped me a lot 123 00:06:55.319 --> 00:07:00.639 in perception is when you're having a discussion or a conversation, 124 00:07:01.600 --> 00:07:04.240 you can view how the conversation's going when it's coming 125 00:07:04.279 --> 00:07:07.360 across as an attack, you know, because that's what that's 126 00:07:07.439 --> 00:07:09.279 kind of how you were describing what they do is 127 00:07:09.279 --> 00:07:11.759 they will attack flat earther is they will try to 128 00:07:11.879 --> 00:07:14.839 name call, they will you know, speak down on them, 129 00:07:15.240 --> 00:07:18.480 and that's not a that's not a positive form of communication. 130 00:07:19.000 --> 00:07:21.639 So you know, that's how the devil attacks this. That's 131 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:23.959 how demons attack us. And you know we are the 132 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:29.439 vessels that they use to further their goals and deception 133 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.839 is one of them. So you know they're deceived. And 134 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.839 I've come to the understanding that the flat earth specifically 135 00:07:36.920 --> 00:07:40.040 is not a salvation issue. Except that it can be, 136 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:43.079 you know what I mean, Like the conspiracies and looking 137 00:07:43.079 --> 00:07:45.399 into them is what brought me closer to the Lord. 138 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:49.319 And I've professed Christianity pretty much my whole life. I 139 00:07:49.360 --> 00:07:51.720 was fortunate enough to be raised in a home that, 140 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:55.720 you know, they were believers. But you know, as I 141 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:58.879 got older and into my twenties and got further away, 142 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.160 I realized that, you know, I was luke warm is 143 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:07.279 unfortunately the best description. So I came back to Christ. 144 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.040 And part of what brought me back to Christ and 145 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:13.079 rededicating my life to Him is, you know, just looking 146 00:08:13.079 --> 00:08:15.439 into things. You know, like when you look into things 147 00:08:15.439 --> 00:08:17.759 and you start to figure out the truth, the truth 148 00:08:17.839 --> 00:08:21.040 really does be free. And how do I don't know 149 00:08:21.160 --> 00:08:24.279 what the hang up is. It's kind of just a 150 00:08:24.319 --> 00:08:26.560 blessing that we were able to break through it, because 151 00:08:26.560 --> 00:08:28.439 it's brainwashing, I guess it would be the best way 152 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:29.199 of describing it. 153 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:33.080 Man, you hit on a lot of important points there, 154 00:08:33.840 --> 00:08:36.519 because for me, you know, you consider I considered I 155 00:08:36.519 --> 00:08:39.759 don't want to speak for anybody else. I considered myself saved, right, 156 00:08:40.440 --> 00:08:44.440 But I went about my life. I didn't really I 157 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:47.519 didn't so much change the way I lived. I just said, well, 158 00:08:47.559 --> 00:08:50.360 I believe in God now, so that must make me good. 159 00:08:50.480 --> 00:08:52.120 And I'm not saying I was a terrible person. I 160 00:08:52.200 --> 00:08:56.120 just didn't really walk in the footsteps and post you know, 161 00:08:56.200 --> 00:09:02.080 these conspiracies, including flat Earth. I started to realize what 162 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:05.039 we were up against. And it wasn't really until that 163 00:09:05.080 --> 00:09:07.759 point where I did a complete change and I tried 164 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:11.120 to live and be a better person. So again, like 165 00:09:11.159 --> 00:09:14.720 you've mentioned and many people have before, is that it 166 00:09:14.759 --> 00:09:18.120 isn't directly a salvation issue. No, of course not, but 167 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:26.159 it does have ramifications. It has brought people to God. 168 00:09:26.240 --> 00:09:28.519 And you know, I wish I could sit down with 169 00:09:28.559 --> 00:09:30.960 people like ken Ham and just open up my email 170 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:33.279 and show him the hundreds. And we've been doing this 171 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:35.200 for a couple of years now. Maybe it's close to 172 00:09:35.240 --> 00:09:38.000 one thousand people, not just here but around the world 173 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:42.759 who understand that. You know, who is the prince of 174 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:46.440 this world? You know everything? What's this most powerful tool? 175 00:09:46.519 --> 00:09:51.320 It's deception? And I mean, if you think and listen, 176 00:09:51.440 --> 00:09:54.919 once again, I'm not trying to maybe you're new listeners, 177 00:09:54.960 --> 00:09:57.159 it's the first flat Earth podcast you ever listened to. 178 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:59.799 Everybody who you're going to listen to over the course 179 00:09:59.799 --> 00:10:02.639 of the these interviews, were was always at some point 180 00:10:02.679 --> 00:10:05.480 on the other side of the fence. But when you 181 00:10:05.559 --> 00:10:08.120 realize that everything is a lie, and it's a carefully 182 00:10:08.159 --> 00:10:11.240 created lie, only then do you understand how important this 183 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:18.559 syop is. Yeah, well, let's get to your journey to 184 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:23.679 the truth, and you know, you talk about I guess 185 00:10:23.840 --> 00:10:27.919 where did flat Earth fall into those conspiracies? And and 186 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:30.679 just to be completely open and transparent here, we did 187 00:10:30.720 --> 00:10:33.519 talk a little bit about what happened to that school 188 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:40.480 in Connecticut about twelve years ago. Right, we are cognizant 189 00:10:40.559 --> 00:10:43.840 of the fact and we believe that that the official 190 00:10:43.879 --> 00:10:47.200 story is not the truth. But this is just coming 191 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.399 from George from me. We're going to save that for 192 00:10:49.519 --> 00:10:53.240 maybe another podcast on the on the other podcast, because 193 00:10:53.240 --> 00:10:56.120 that is something we have to be careful about. But 194 00:10:56.720 --> 00:10:58.799 I'm sorry, I didn't mean to step on your toes there. 195 00:10:58.960 --> 00:11:01.000 Talk a little bit about your journey to the truth 196 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:05.360 and kind of the order of the the rabbit holes 197 00:11:05.360 --> 00:11:06.240 that you came across. 198 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:13.360 Yeah, So for me, twenty twenty was you know, extra 199 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:16.399 like it was. It affected everybody at such a high level, 200 00:11:16.919 --> 00:11:20.759 and I've just come to the point where, you know, Unfortunately. 201 00:11:21.120 --> 00:11:22.720 I don't like using the word blessing because I know 202 00:11:22.759 --> 00:11:24.720 it was a terrible time for a lot of people, 203 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.000 but for me, it was a blessing. I you know, 204 00:11:28.480 --> 00:11:31.720 the marriage didn't work. That was when the divorce happened. 205 00:11:32.039 --> 00:11:34.840 COVID was upon us, I got furloughed from my job, 206 00:11:35.879 --> 00:11:39.399 and it was just like everything happening at one time, 207 00:11:39.840 --> 00:11:42.879 and there's just so many ways that you can handle, 208 00:11:43.559 --> 00:11:46.080 you know, bad news after bad news after bad news. 209 00:11:46.360 --> 00:11:48.279 And I guess I'm very fortunate that I do have 210 00:11:48.360 --> 00:11:51.440 great parents. I'm an only child. I have a great 211 00:11:51.480 --> 00:11:54.519 group of friends. They you know, especially the friends that 212 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.159 stuck with me when I believe the earth was a ball. 213 00:11:57.279 --> 00:11:59.480 And then there's still my friends now, even though they 214 00:11:59.559 --> 00:12:02.960 might not that same belief. But essentially, when COVID hit 215 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.039 and everything else, you know, we're in our homes and 216 00:12:06.360 --> 00:12:08.799 you know, it just gave me more time to go 217 00:12:08.840 --> 00:12:13.639 down rabbit holes. So before all of the distractions worked 218 00:12:13.679 --> 00:12:15.720 in their favor, you know, like I was, you know, 219 00:12:15.840 --> 00:12:19.519 trying to seek happiness, and then eventually looking into these 220 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:22.320 conspiracies opened me up to the truth. And then fast 221 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:25.759 forward two years later, that's when the biggest of them all, 222 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:28.799 which was the flat Earth. I finally was like, you 223 00:12:28.840 --> 00:12:32.559 know what it is, it is flat like this, this 224 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:36.080 is you know, preposterous to continue to play along. But 225 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:39.240 it started with the moonlanding. And then as I looked 226 00:12:39.279 --> 00:12:42.200 into the moon landing and watch videos, and I did 227 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:45.200 try to see the other side, right because the debunking 228 00:12:45.240 --> 00:12:48.480 the moonlanding happening in the late sixties and early seventies 229 00:12:48.799 --> 00:12:51.879 was very convincing. So then I had to say, Okay, well, 230 00:12:52.039 --> 00:12:56.559 maybe they're misrepresenting something. And I tried to watch someone 231 00:12:56.600 --> 00:13:00.000 who was, you know, defending that the moon landing happened, 232 00:13:00.559 --> 00:13:03.000 and he was speaking the same way you spoke of 233 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:06.200 the people like not kin Ham because I don't want 234 00:13:06.200 --> 00:13:08.080 to don't. I don't think I've ever seen him talk 235 00:13:08.159 --> 00:13:10.639 negatively about it, but he just kind of dismisses it. 236 00:13:10.879 --> 00:13:13.919 But a lot of people will talk negatively about flat arthers. 237 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:16.799 And this person that I watched, he had you know, 238 00:13:16.919 --> 00:13:19.720 a quarter of a million followers on social media and 239 00:13:19.759 --> 00:13:24.519 he was name calling moon landing deniers, cursing, and just 240 00:13:24.559 --> 00:13:28.000 like in my opinion, he seemed unhinged, but he had 241 00:13:28.039 --> 00:13:30.919 all the support behind him, you know. The machine was like, yeah, 242 00:13:30.960 --> 00:13:32.919 this is the guy we want you to see. And 243 00:13:33.720 --> 00:13:35.720 I was like, it was very off putting, and so 244 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:39.279 unfortunately for them, it backfired. And I just started looking 245 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.240 more and more down the rabbit hole of what appeared 246 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:42.960 to be the truth to me, and I came to 247 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:44.879 find out that it was in fact the truth. 248 00:13:46.679 --> 00:13:49.919 You know, it still blows my mind. And obviously God 249 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:52.200 had a hand in this, right, but we know Satan's 250 00:13:52.240 --> 00:13:55.320 the prince of this world. But it's so interesting that 251 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.399 the times that Satan can concoct a plan and it 252 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:02.320 backfires on him. And I truly believe brother, that twenty 253 00:14:02.399 --> 00:14:04.840 twenty was a plan that had been in the works 254 00:14:04.879 --> 00:14:09.000 probably since nineteen sixty eight, right, it's been They used 255 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:11.919 it in the nineteenth century with smallpox, they used it 256 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.639 in nineteen eighteen, and they did it again in twenty 257 00:14:14.679 --> 00:14:17.159 They've tried different times in sixty eight, in two thousand 258 00:14:17.159 --> 00:14:19.440 and nine with swine flu, but they went full bore 259 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:22.799 in twenty twenty. And I'm telling you, I'd have to 260 00:14:22.799 --> 00:14:25.200 bet off the top of my head close to the 261 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:29.799 two hundred people I've interviewed just on this podcast, ninety 262 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.360 percent of them COVID in one way or the other. 263 00:14:33.679 --> 00:14:39.320 Had a significant impact on their awakening process. How can 264 00:14:39.360 --> 00:14:43.919 that just not be divine divine intervention exactly. 265 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:46.720 Yeap, making the big their big thing become our big thing. 266 00:14:48.480 --> 00:14:51.399 There is of course, you know, part of their plan 267 00:14:51.600 --> 00:14:55.399 was the wealth transfer, getting rid of the middleman, and 268 00:14:55.600 --> 00:14:57.960 was shocking to me. If I still go back and 269 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:01.320 I'd like to read articles from that time period. September 270 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:04.759 twenty eighth, twenty twenty, that was an article in Fortune magazine. 271 00:15:04.840 --> 00:15:07.879 So again, this is only it kicked off in March, 272 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.879 March to September, six months. Pardon me, So in just 273 00:15:11.919 --> 00:15:16.240 that six month time period, one hundred thousand establishments that 274 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:21.559 had temporarily shut down due to the pandemic. By September, 275 00:15:21.600 --> 00:15:24.840 we're completely out of business. So you know, if you 276 00:15:24.879 --> 00:15:27.799 do the math, you know times number of average employees 277 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:32.000 of small businesses. Now, all those people are probably either 278 00:15:32.039 --> 00:15:35.720 working at Amazon or Walmart or the federal government, right, 279 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.200 and that's making the world more lopsided. That is giving 280 00:15:39.240 --> 00:15:42.120 the controllers more control. Now, hopefully many of those people 281 00:15:42.159 --> 00:15:44.799 were able to start their own businesses and things of 282 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:50.879 that nature. But you know, knowing you know those numbers, 283 00:15:51.559 --> 00:15:54.200 I would say that that was one of their desired 284 00:15:54.240 --> 00:15:57.080 outcomes was to get rid of the middleman. And if 285 00:15:57.120 --> 00:15:59.279 you can control you know, it's a monopoly. If you 286 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:02.519 control all the assets, then you have a monopoly and 287 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.320 you can enable this hyper inflation we're seeing. If there's 288 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.879 no competition, they can set the prices at whatever they want. 289 00:16:09.320 --> 00:16:12.919 Yeah, exactly. And unfortunately it did work in that regard. 290 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:16.320 They did transfer the wealth, you know, not all of it, 291 00:16:16.360 --> 00:16:19.879 but they succeeded in that aspect of their plan. But 292 00:16:20.399 --> 00:16:23.159 I think that the backfire was bigger than their success. 293 00:16:24.960 --> 00:16:31.080 I agree with you. Now, I guess coming from if 294 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:34.240 you didn't get vaccinated, and you know you came out ahead, 295 00:16:34.240 --> 00:16:38.519 that's probably the way you see it. Unfortunately, there's against 296 00:16:38.759 --> 00:16:43.080 I spoke to doctor Calcer yesterday and the amount of 297 00:16:43.080 --> 00:16:46.440 turbo cancer, no not just cancer, but how quickly the 298 00:16:46.480 --> 00:16:51.120 cancer is moving is just completely shocking. So I do 299 00:16:51.240 --> 00:16:54.600 truly hope that this was an awakening, a permanent awakening 300 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:56.679 for the next thing that I think is going to 301 00:16:56.720 --> 00:16:58.919 come in our lifetime, might even come and then during 302 00:16:58.960 --> 00:17:03.720 this president's admitted straation. But you're right, it is it 303 00:17:03.759 --> 00:17:08.680 was a blessing in disguise. You know, we took Satan's 304 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:10.839 tool from his toolbox and used it against him, like 305 00:17:10.880 --> 00:17:14.160 we are right now, Technology very much can be a 306 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:17.920 double edged sword. You had talked about how it sounds 307 00:17:17.920 --> 00:17:20.279 like to me when you were talking about your friends, 308 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:26.119 that you have had successes in sharing flat Earth with them. 309 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:30.759 Yeah, I have again twenty twenty isolated us. So you know, 310 00:17:31.039 --> 00:17:34.559 in going through those rabbit holes and conspiracy theories, I 311 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.880 shared them with a friend and you know he didn't 312 00:17:37.880 --> 00:17:41.000 want to shout out, but you know, we all have 313 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:46.319 to manage our you know, our public persona accordingly because 314 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:49.319 you know people, you will get attacked, like, there will 315 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:54.920 be some negative communication I expect as a result, and 316 00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:58.640 I'm sure you get it frequently, so it's to be 317 00:17:58.720 --> 00:18:03.640 expected and you have to just kind of fight through it. 318 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:05.400 And if you don't mind, could you repeat the question 319 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:08.359 one more time, just being. 320 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.720 Able to take, you know, a tool from Satan's toolbox 321 00:18:10.759 --> 00:18:11.599 and defeed them with it. 322 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.279 Yeah, I mean you have to otherwise it's gonna work. 323 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.720 And that's what the deception is. Yeah. Oh, I went 324 00:18:20.759 --> 00:18:25.720 through the conspiracies just by sharing them. And it starts, 325 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:27.640 like I said, the moon landing, and we were my 326 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:30.160 friend and I were talking about the moon landing. And 327 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:34.079 one thing I've also realized is as he went through 328 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:39.200 the moon landing, the school in Connecticut that was mentioned, 329 00:18:39.480 --> 00:18:44.000 and a few other things we did rough like I 330 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.400 bounced things off of him, he bounced things off of me. 331 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:49.599 And then what I've also found out is when I 332 00:18:49.599 --> 00:18:52.039 bring up some of the lesser conspiracies, because the moon 333 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:55.119 landing ones almost I think it's pretty close to fifty 334 00:18:55.160 --> 00:18:57.200 to fifty at this point. It's just that most people 335 00:18:57.240 --> 00:18:59.440 haven't taken the time to think about it. So I 336 00:18:59.440 --> 00:19:02.279 have one friend of mine and I told him about 337 00:19:02.279 --> 00:19:04.319 the moon landy and he said, I can see where 338 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:06.720 you think that, but I still think it happened. And 339 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:09.240 I said, okay, no worries. And then we were having 340 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:10.799 a play day because I had my kids and he 341 00:19:10.839 --> 00:19:13.440 has kids, and I was over at his place and 342 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:15.599 I you know, he was he kind of brought up 343 00:19:15.640 --> 00:19:18.480 my belief to his in front of his wife, and 344 00:19:18.519 --> 00:19:19.880 his wife was like, oh, yeah, I don't think we 345 00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:21.920 went to the moon, but she's not a flat Earth. 346 00:19:22.079 --> 00:19:24.279 She was sure to distance herself from that. But I 347 00:19:24.319 --> 00:19:26.079 could see the surprise on his faces, like, whit you 348 00:19:26.079 --> 00:19:28.160 don't think we went to the moon, And she was like, no, 349 00:19:28.319 --> 00:19:30.359 just there's too much. It doesn't make sense. And I 350 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:34.200 was like, yes, there's probably a lot of people out 351 00:19:34.200 --> 00:19:36.359 there that you know, have that belief and maybe just 352 00:19:36.400 --> 00:19:39.960 don't verbalize it until they have the opportunity. And you know, 353 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:42.279 if you're around me and we're friendly, I'm gonna I'm 354 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:43.440 going to give you the opportunity. 355 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.200 Yeah, And that's why I think it's important for people 356 00:19:47.240 --> 00:19:51.680 to I know, in some for some people, it's very difficult, 357 00:19:51.799 --> 00:19:54.440 and for some settings it's very difficult, whether it be 358 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:57.839 work or church or at with your best friends who 359 00:19:58.039 --> 00:20:00.960 may totally be into worldly things, right, are more worried 360 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:03.440 about the latest number one hit, the concerts, the football 361 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:07.039 game than having a conversation and all of those things. 362 00:20:07.119 --> 00:20:09.920 I understand you have to take into context when trying 363 00:20:09.920 --> 00:20:11.920 to get that out there, but you can be very 364 00:20:12.000 --> 00:20:17.839 creative in just like Edward Burneese, he would take this 365 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.279 is where I want to get to, So you backwards plan, right, 366 00:20:21.319 --> 00:20:24.119 whether it's the Torches of Freedom, right, the cigarette companies 367 00:20:24.160 --> 00:20:27.319 go to Edward Burnees. Women don't smoke. How can we 368 00:20:27.359 --> 00:20:29.599 get people to smoke? Well, we want to give them freedom, 369 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:31.599 so they're going to break out cigarettes On Easter Sunday 370 00:20:31.680 --> 00:20:34.640 nineteen twenty nine, light their cigarettes and say, men can't 371 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:37.519 tell us what to do anymore. And within five years 372 00:20:38.720 --> 00:20:42.519 women's smokers increased by twenty six percent. Right, and all 373 00:20:42.559 --> 00:20:46.119 these things they understand psychology, and psychology is an extremely 374 00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:50.359 important weapon for them. With that being said, we need 375 00:20:50.400 --> 00:20:55.880 to be critical and unique in our right. How can 376 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.920 we start a conversation that I know within a coup 377 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.440 couple of you know, back and forth, that I could 378 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:05.359 just leave an opening to even drop a subtle hint 379 00:21:05.720 --> 00:21:08.920 to whether it be you want to talk about Jesus, 380 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:10.759 whether you want to talk about flat Earth or nine 381 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:15.319 to eleven, anything like that. You can be you know, 382 00:21:15.359 --> 00:21:17.119 you don't always have to just come, you know, print 383 00:21:17.200 --> 00:21:20.240 up a flyer and hand it to someone, or just 384 00:21:20.279 --> 00:21:22.920 walk up to someone and say, hey, my name's George. 385 00:21:22.920 --> 00:21:24.599 I think the Earth is flat. What do you think? 386 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:27.200 Right there? There are so many ways that we can 387 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.200 be creative, and I think us, especially here in the 388 00:21:30.279 --> 00:21:33.200 United States, as a society, we're very creative people and 389 00:21:33.240 --> 00:21:34.799 we just have to put a little time and effort 390 00:21:34.799 --> 00:21:37.400 into it. And I think we can. I don't like 391 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:39.599 to use the word and manipulate as a good word, 392 00:21:39.640 --> 00:21:42.920 but we can manipulate a conversation into something that we 393 00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:46.160 want to talk about that you know, is defined and good. 394 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.640 Yeah, you're right, when you were talking about torches of freedom, 395 00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:53.880 I just wrote down a note, so I wouldn't forget 396 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.440 back then that was what was done to increase the 397 00:21:57.440 --> 00:22:00.680 bottom line for businesses most likely fullp mor So, I'm 398 00:22:00.680 --> 00:22:02.880 not one hundred percent sure, but whatever the major cigarette 399 00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.319 player was at the time, and then the modern version 400 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:07.680 of that from my perspective is of course the independent 401 00:22:07.759 --> 00:22:11.240