Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to a new episode of the Poker
Speaker 1: Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. I am joined
Speaker 1: by Tim Duckworth audio version today, And I'm saying that
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Speaker 1: as as producer Rich Ryan would say, horrible radio, just
Speaker 1: absolutely horrible radio. On today's show, Tim and I are
Speaker 1: going to recap the twenty twenty four Poker Masters series
Speaker 1: that just wraps up. We're going to hit on who
Speaker 1: won the overall series, who won events, some honorable mentions
Speaker 1: of course, lot to talk about there. That'll lead into
Speaker 1: our discussion about the PGT leaderboard and any shakeups that
Speaker 1: occurred there as a result of the points earned during
Speaker 1: Poker Masters or maybe points not earned during Poker Masters.
Speaker 1: We're gonna hit on the NAPT Las Vegas. We have
Speaker 1: a new partnership with them. We also want to touch
Speaker 1: on what's coming up from that series. We do have
Speaker 1: a special giveaway that we are running in partnership with
Speaker 1: the Poker Stars NAPT, so stay tuned for that. EPT
Speaker 1: Barcelona recently wrapped up. We'll touch on the winners there
Speaker 1: and also some I guess industry news coming out at
Speaker 1: EPT Barcelona with some game integrity rule changes. The WPT
Speaker 1: has an announcement, Buddy, the w ET has an announcement.
Speaker 1: Can't wait to talk about it, and then questions for you,
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Speaker 1: you saw the video podcast, same questions that I gave there.
Speaker 2: But we're going to change my answers, then you can.
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Speaker 1: guys are. All right, Moving on to Poker Masters, which
Speaker 1: this year was presented by the Poker Stars and APT,
Speaker 1: Jim Collipy is the twenty twenty four Poker Masters Champion.
Speaker 1: Four cashes for mister Collopy five hundred and twenty one thousand,
Speaker 1: six hundred dollars earned. He picked up five hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two points that allowed him to top the series leaderboard.
Speaker 1: He did so by making four consecutive final tables. He
Speaker 1: finished at the final table in event three, four, five,
Speaker 1: and six. He started off his run with a sixth
Speaker 1: place finish and event number three for forty seven thousand dollars,
Speaker 1: then a third place finish and Event number four for
Speaker 1: one hundred and five thousand dollars. Then he had a
Speaker 1: pair of runner up results event number five second for
Speaker 1: one hundred and forty two thousand dollars, and then Event
Speaker 1: number six second for two hundred and twenty six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Tim Andagan talk about this a little bit more, but
Speaker 1: before we do, I do want to throw it to
Speaker 1: the interview that Jim Collapy did with Jeff Platt here.
Speaker 4: With our series champion, Jim Colbee. Jim, congratulations, four straight
Speaker 4: final tables that's only been done once before at the
Speaker 4: Poker Masters.
Speaker 1: What was this run like for you?
Speaker 5: This run was incredible. No Limit is definitely a game
Speaker 5: I've played a lot of, but I play a lot
Speaker 5: of games, so it's nice to perform well on a
Speaker 5: big stage with a lot of guys that specialize in
Speaker 5: specifically this format.
Speaker 4: Along those lines, when you look back at your poker careers,
Speaker 4: this going to be an accomplishment that stands out to
Speaker 4: you absolutely.
Speaker 5: I mean with this game, with this format, with these structures,
Speaker 5: often there's a lot of close calls, so to put
Speaker 5: a lot of stock into any given event kind of
Speaker 5: this is the tree for the forest, or more of
Speaker 5: the forest for the tree, either way. But it's important
Speaker 5: to kind of look back and how you put it
Speaker 5: all together, and when you have a leader opportunity, even
Speaker 5: when you don't end up with any wins, this can
Speaker 5: add up to a little bit more. And I think
Speaker 5: that's what's most significant about it.
Speaker 4: Were we feeling extra patriotic this week, rocking the red,
Speaker 4: white and blue shades or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think it's an important time for our country to
Speaker 5: kind of come together and show up. And I hope
Speaker 5: that at least I can remind some folks what it
Speaker 5: means to show up.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts deserving winner? How did he do?
Speaker 3: I think what you were deserving in the fact that
Speaker 3: he is, without doubt one of the top five PGT
Speaker 3: tournament players, as in he puts in top five volume
Speaker 3: of anyone in the studio. You know that's we're talking
Speaker 3: rivals with someone like Daniel m'grind or Jeremy Osmus and Jim.
Speaker 3: You know, Jim does play Pelo, does play hold, him
Speaker 3: does play mixed games, so he's always supporting the PGT.
Speaker 3: He's also you know, to me personally voicing his opinions
Speaker 3: about how to make it better. So he does care
Speaker 3: and it's actually pretty cool to you know, he didn't
Speaker 3: get a victory, see him finish on top of the
Speaker 3: lead aboard, take home that purple jacket and the prizes
Speaker 3: that came with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not only the purple jacket was awarded to Jim Callipy,
Speaker 1: he won the twenty five thousand dollars PGT passports. That's
Speaker 1: good for PGT buyings across the tour. And then this
Speaker 1: year on behalf of the Poker Stars NAPT he picked
Speaker 1: up a gold pass. What is a gold pass, you
Speaker 1: might ask yourself. A gold pass is valued at ten
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, so some nice value there. It includes a
Speaker 1: buy in to the fifty three hundred dollars ANAPT Las
Speaker 1: Vegas main event, and then twenty nine hundred dollars worth
Speaker 1: of hotel accommodations at resorts. Well, I believe it's up
Speaker 1: to seven nights, and then eighteen hundred dollars in expense money.
Speaker 1: So pretty good, pretty good winners prize there for Colopy.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I think he performed extremely well. The
Speaker 1: four consecutive final tables was two second place finishes were
Speaker 1: notable and worthy of, you know, winning the purple jacket.
Speaker 1: We have liked to see him win an event, sure,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's not the goal of the leaderboard.
Speaker 1: The goal of the leaderboard is to you know, get
Speaker 1: as many points as you can to finish on top.
Speaker 1: You know, I still very much enjoy how we do
Speaker 1: this on the pgt where you know, we have these
Speaker 1: series leaderboards and people chase some sort of prize, some
Speaker 1: sort of title in addition to the event titles and
Speaker 1: prizes that they cheat chase with each individual tournament. I
Speaker 1: really do love that. I've always like been a sucker
Speaker 1: for player of the year stuff, leaderboards, prizes, you know,
Speaker 1: player of the series, et cetera. I would highly encourage
Speaker 1: all tours out there to do very similar things. It
Speaker 1: can be on the lesser scale, it can be on
Speaker 1: a bigger scale. But you know, I think this helps,
Speaker 1: you know, amplify poker, you know, kind of move it forward,
Speaker 1: because I think people are drawn to this sort of stuff.
Speaker 3: I think it also makes you know, the series fu
Speaker 3: the final event, because you have this race, you have
Speaker 3: people sweating, you have you know, we witnessed the first hand.
Speaker 3: Jim was eliminated, you know, after registration closed and he
Speaker 3: was sitting at the bar, he had a drink. He
Speaker 3: was kind of sweating some action, seeing who could win,
Speaker 3: what place this person needed to finish in, what place
Speaker 3: that person needed to finish in. And then the people
Speaker 3: also competing for it were like, Okay, I have to
Speaker 3: you know, win or I have to get heads up,
Speaker 3: or I have to finish fifth, you know, like Jeremy
Speaker 3: Becker had to finish fifth. So Jim was, you know,
Speaker 3: anti sweating Jeremy a little bit to busp so that
Speaker 3: he could just have one less person to worry about.
Speaker 3: And what's funny is Jeremy tweeted last night at one
Speaker 3: of my tweets in reference to Jim winning, Jeremy says,
Speaker 3: purple is not his color.
Speaker 2: So it feels like Jeremy's got.
Speaker 3: A little bit of a little bit of spite there
Speaker 3: after putting in a you know, his own impressive performance
Speaker 3: throughout the Poke Masters.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was Jeremy Becker, it was Michael Monchek,
Speaker 1: it was David Chen, it was justin Zachi. Where that
Speaker 1: last group of Wilson and Brock Wilson, Yes, excuse me,
Speaker 1: where that last group of competitors that could chase down
Speaker 1: Callipye in the final twenty five k events. It was
Speaker 1: actually interesting you you you referenced how you know Callipye
Speaker 1: was sweating well two things. One, it was shades of
Speaker 1: him sweating the PGT top forty to get into the
Speaker 1: PGT Championship million dollar free Roll. By the way, quick
Speaker 1: side note, I think we should change the name for
Speaker 1: the free role. I think it should be called the
Speaker 1: PGT Million Dollar Championship. That's just my new thing. I
Speaker 1: thought of that today because I like writing.
Speaker 2: I keep writing million million dollar Championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I just think PGT Championship million dollar free
Speaker 1: roll is.
Speaker 2: It's a little like cumbersome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like the word free roll doesn't do it justice.
Speaker 1: Like free roll is like you play a free role
Speaker 1: when you sign up for an online poker site to
Speaker 1: like get started.
Speaker 2: Or like happens to have money changes.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that. I don't think the money
Speaker 1: should ever change.
Speaker 3: I think the money yeah, but went on it could
Speaker 3: show the money, so I understand.
Speaker 2: But if it's one million, how if it goes up?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, it should it should never go up. I
Speaker 1: don't think. I think it should maintain there. And then
Speaker 1: if there is some sort of increased budget to add
Speaker 1: to it, I would increase like serious prizes or stuff
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: I would be the best you've had all yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like listen, I'm a I'm a branding
Speaker 1: and marketing expert.
Speaker 2: And yeah, it was PGT million Dollar Championship.
Speaker 1: I kept every time I would write PGT Championship million
Speaker 1: dollar free and we are way off the rails were
Speaker 1: talking about. But I don't care. This is our podcast
Speaker 1: and we'll do what we want. Like I I'm like,
Speaker 1: this doesn't sound right. Every time I would write it
Speaker 1: PGG Championship million dollar film, like this doesn't sound right.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound right, it doesn't sound right. Obviously you
Speaker 1: want to get the million dollars in there, like you
Speaker 1: want to amplify that. So I think PGT Championship million
Speaker 1: dollar or PGT million Dollar Championship I think works the
Speaker 1: best anyway, back to the Poker Masters, I don't even
Speaker 1: remember what we were talking about. Oh yeah, all those players,
Speaker 1: but yeah, shades of Jim Collaby sweating the top forty
Speaker 1: sitting at the bar having a couple of drinks. I
Speaker 1: think this year he was having looked like a margarita
Speaker 1: or two or three as he's you know, sweat the
Speaker 1: action to see if anyone would overtake him. He the
Speaker 1: hand when Becker busted to get eliminated, he busted to
Speaker 1: Justin Zaki. Yeah, and he you know, he tanked forever
Speaker 1: on the river. Calopy's standing right there. It's this whole
Speaker 1: thing he hands up here, going it off with seven's
Speaker 1: on a king high paired board. Uh, Zaki has the
Speaker 1: aces and and that's that, you know. So in that
Speaker 1: moment for Collopy, because I think I remember Jesse Lonis
Speaker 1: was at the table and asked Colopy like, while the
Speaker 1: hand was happening, while Becker was tanking, like you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's lose lose for you or what do you
Speaker 1: want or something like that, And and for Collopy it's
Speaker 1: it's it was Becker getting eliminated because he only needed
Speaker 1: fifth or better minus the other guys, you know, possibly
Speaker 1: going on to win. But so with Becker's elimination in
Speaker 1: that spot short of the money, I think there was
Speaker 1: around thirty players left thirty five like that. You know,
Speaker 1: Zaki gets the chips of course, which boosts his stack,
Speaker 1: but he ultimately has to win, so still still pretty
Speaker 1: hard to achieve that at the end of the day.
Speaker 1: But as it turned out, everyone busted before day two
Speaker 1: of the event, so before the final table, justin Zaki
Speaker 1: was the last player to go and call it be
Speaker 1: locked it up. So, you know, good on Jim Callipy.
Speaker 1: You know, we'll talk about him a little bit more
Speaker 1: a little later in this podcast because I want to
Speaker 1: hit on where he is within the PGT leader board.
Speaker 1: But before we get into all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: do you want to give some due to all the
Speaker 1: Poker Masters winners that we had across the series and
Speaker 1: hit on some thoughts there. Event number one, Spencer Champlain
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty K was the winnings for Champlain.
Speaker 1: He turned a five hundred and sixty dollars satellite into
Speaker 1: a five K seat, turned that five K seat into
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty K score. He topped fellow five
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty dollars Satellite winner Jessica Vierling in heads
Speaker 1: up play there sir to Satellite when as much as
Speaker 1: make you feel good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the perfect, perfect heads unmatch having those
Speaker 3: two satellite qualifiers get there. And it was also good
Speaker 3: to see some you know, as we start going through
Speaker 3: these results, you see some new names at the final
Speaker 3: table that you know, if you're a regular PGT watcher, you,
Speaker 3: to be honest, you do get used to the Chidwicks,
Speaker 3: the Koons, the Petangelos, the Osmus and the grind these names,
Speaker 3: and me personally, I like to see people that have
Speaker 3: never made a PGT final table make it now. I
Speaker 3: know for you and Remco and the people in charge
Speaker 3: of content probably hate that. They want a grinder helmet
Speaker 3: at every final TABLET.
Speaker 1: Don't you ever in that group doing so? No, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm more listen. It's it's great to have all the
Speaker 1: big names. Yeah, don't don't get me wrong, especially because
Speaker 1: we know that that's what drives a lot of viewership. Yes,
Speaker 1: but I also believe that there's a second element to this,
Speaker 1: where you know, you the new faces coming into the
Speaker 1: PGT that signifies growth, which is a good thing. And
Speaker 1: then on the back end when it comes to the
Speaker 1: content side, it's our job as poker go and be
Speaker 1: in the production house and the content house that we
Speaker 1: are to create these stories let people know who we are.
Speaker 1: Like if you look at it, like let's say the
Speaker 1: NBA for example, because I think they have kind of
Speaker 1: the most pressing issue with this Lebron Steph Curry, etc.
Speaker 1: Like they're almost out, like they're almost at the point
Speaker 1: of retirement, so you have to find those next stars
Speaker 1: and then you have to have them rise up. Baseball
Speaker 1: I think did a horrific job with this. Like their
Speaker 1: biggest star was what's his name out of Anaheim Trout,
Speaker 1: Like Trout and then Otani as well. Otani now is
Speaker 1: at least in a big market being as part of
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. Trout is still buried with the Angels and
Speaker 1: no one's ever watching that. Yeah, right, So it's like
Speaker 1: you just don't have these these stars that are that
Speaker 1: are magnified, and I think it hurts the game's popularity.
Speaker 1: It hurts the growth, you know, hurts viewership and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Like so poker like, yeah, people
Speaker 1: can stay around longer. I mean, you can play poker
Speaker 1: till you're seventy eighty nineties years old, whoever the heck
Speaker 1: knows how old you are, right, But you have to
Speaker 1: battle with the variants, like it's not always going to
Speaker 1: be in Neigrania making a final table or a helmet
Speaker 1: or an ivy or whoever. Right, it's just not going
Speaker 1: to happen that way. It can go they it could
Speaker 1: go long stretches, you could in theory, or you know,
Speaker 1: it could be an entire season and Nigranny doesn't make
Speaker 1: a PGT final table, yeah, and doesn't make a stream
Speaker 1: like that could happen, you know. So it's our job
Speaker 1: on the back end to tell people who these new
Speaker 1: people are and not just constantly be like we need
Speaker 1: a neig Granny, we need a helmet, we need this,
Speaker 1: No like you need. We need to tell the story
Speaker 1: of the tour, believe in what we're selling, boost these
Speaker 1: players up, and all of that sort of stuff. So
Speaker 1: I guess I would say that I'm in the middle.
Speaker 1: I see both sides, but I'm with you that that's
Speaker 1: seeing the new names, you know, is great, and then
Speaker 1: also seeing them come from in this first event, come
Speaker 1: from five hundred and sixty dollars satellite tickets, like you
Speaker 1: can you can show up at Aria and play a
Speaker 1: five hund and six dollars satellite if you're out there,
Speaker 1: maybe you don't have five K, maybe you don't have
Speaker 1: ten K, fifteen K, twenty five k, whatever, but you
Speaker 1: can fire in five sixty, win a seat, and then
Speaker 1: go from there. So I think that that's great. There
Speaker 1: was a funny little, I guess side story that came
Speaker 1: out of this first event. It had. It had one
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty one entries, which was what largest Poker
Speaker 1: Masters event ever.
Speaker 3: Not just five K. None of them hold them that
Speaker 3: we've ever done in the studio as well.
Speaker 1: Bang so sweet. At one point, Jesse Lonis and Ren Lynn,
Speaker 1: who are you know? Friends? They have a lot of
Speaker 1: friendly banter back and forth. They're competitive. They're always gambling
Speaker 1: with each other, not only you know, playing against each
Speaker 1: other in the poker tournaments, but like side bets and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. They make a side bet on the
Speaker 1: number of entries. I think when they made it there
Speaker 1: was like six or seventy players or entries in the field,
Speaker 1: and Ren had one hundred and thirty two entries and over,
Speaker 1: and Jesse Loanis had obviously under one thirty two, the
Speaker 1: bet was for ten thousand dollars. We get to the
Speaker 1: close of registration, that final break, everyone has registered except
Speaker 1: one person. The clock says one thirty one. Jesse Loans
Speaker 1: is out of the tournament, with a chance to re enter.
Speaker 1: He would not re enter because if he re entered,
Speaker 1: it would hit one thirty two. That five K entry
Speaker 1: would essentially cost him fifteen K because he would have
Speaker 1: to pay renlin ten K. So Jesse Loan is who
Speaker 1: It's also interesting is that he was I believe in
Speaker 1: this other side bet, so this must win the jacket
Speaker 1: side bet between six or seven players where they each
Speaker 1: put up fifty K. Now, obviously somebody has to win
Speaker 1: the jacket to collect all the money, either three hundred
Speaker 1: K or three hundred and fifty k or whatever. But
Speaker 1: the fact that he would pass on the chance to
Speaker 1: get points by playing a tournament to not let ren
Speaker 1: Linn win the money was just funny to me how
Speaker 1: that all shook out. So that was that was pretty comical.
Speaker 1: At the close of registration in event number.
Speaker 2: One, do you think his decision was the correct decision?
Speaker 1: I mean, I would I would have just I would
Speaker 1: have fired in the ten k and heard the fifteen k,
Speaker 1: the five k and then paid the ten cap and
Speaker 1: just whatever.
Speaker 3: I think Ran even offered him some kind of like buyout,
Speaker 3: not like a full amount, but like a Holf price
Speaker 3: buy it, and he didn't want to do it.
Speaker 1: But I'm also coming at this with the fact that
Speaker 1: I don't think ten k is like going to break
Speaker 1: Jesse Lonis in any sort of way. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like whatever. Event number two, Jeremy Becker topped the
Speaker 1: field for two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars, his
Speaker 1: breakout high stakes win. His also also his largest career
Speaker 1: score in first ever six figure score. You know, Becker
Speaker 1: obviously got a ton of buzz what within the last
Speaker 1: one to two years with all the daily tournaments around
Speaker 1: Las Vegas that he was winning, most notably at Win
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. He ends up this ends up drawing the
Speaker 1: buzz of Daniel Legrand You and josh Aria, they like
Speaker 1: start backing him and supporting him. This recent summer, he's
Speaker 1: got this this bet against Land and Tice, So there's that,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, he's been battling in the studio. He's
Speaker 1: had a few cashes and he finally gets a victory.
Speaker 1: So I mean, has he arrived? I guess I'll ask
Speaker 1: you has he arrived on the highest stakes scene.
Speaker 2: I think he is this more.
Speaker 3: I think he's encouraged, both him and his backer is
Speaker 3: encouraged to play more PGT events. Normally we come, we
Speaker 3: see him play the fives and the tens and you know,
Speaker 3: jomp out in the fifteens. Twenty five is depending how
Speaker 3: he's going. But he played every event, played all light events,
Speaker 3: multiple buyings, multiple re entries.
Speaker 1: Jes first in that twenty five K because he was
Speaker 1: obviously in contention for the jackets his first ever twenty five.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he's proven himself. He's got the
Speaker 3: one victory.
Speaker 2: You know he can.
Speaker 3: He was, you know, in the running for the peple jacket.
Speaker 3: I see, you know, come the next big series like
Speaker 3: Poker Gold Cup, most likely we'll see something similar.
Speaker 2: Way.
Speaker 3: He's planning to play everything and he's just going to
Speaker 3: continually put in the volume in the studio, play these
Speaker 3: PGT events, try and you know, knock away at some
Speaker 3: of these titles.
Speaker 2: He's got.
Speaker 3: He's got that taste of that six figure score much
Speaker 3: better than winning a win daily for twenty three hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think he's arrived in the sense, but
Speaker 3: maybe he was already arrived, but now it's just the
Speaker 3: confidence and the he.
Speaker 1: Was arrived in the sense that he was a name,
Speaker 1: but like it's weird and poker and you know, when
Speaker 1: I first came into the industry, I remember going out
Speaker 1: to the World Series Poker for the first time and
Speaker 1: at the time, our boss was Gary Gates, and I
Speaker 1: remember like he would usually go around and then eventually
Speaker 1: I started doing this with with the team that I managed.
Speaker 2: Like you would.
Speaker 1: You would walk the field with some of the people,
Speaker 1: you know, mostly the newer people too, and then you
Speaker 1: would let them know, like who's who who we should cover, right,
Speaker 1: so they have a base of people to cover. I mean,
Speaker 1: I remember play being like being told like this is
Speaker 1: so and so, this is so and so, this is
Speaker 1: so and so, and like the one the one I
Speaker 1: remember is when when we were in the Brazilian room.
Speaker 1: I could still picture it was Tony Kuzino, first player.
Speaker 1: He told me about Tony Kuzno hasn't won anything I
Speaker 1: can remember since that day. So like, but because I
Speaker 1: was told to cover Tony Kuzino, on that day. To me,
Speaker 1: Tony Kuzno has always been a name, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: don't think he's had any sort of success that might
Speaker 1: justify the fact that he should be a name, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So, like, yeah, Becker is a name,
Speaker 1: and he's he's certainly popular within the pope community and
Speaker 1: everyone knows who he is now. But it came from
Speaker 1: winning the dailies, like people seeing his photo on the
Speaker 1: you know, the win feed on Twitter, like this guy
Speaker 1: won again. This guy won again, this guy won again. Right,
Speaker 1: But so it's like he he hasn't done anything yet,
Speaker 1: or hadn't at least like until this point. I mean,
Speaker 1: he he did have some results this year on the PGT,
Speaker 1: you know, and he started to the resume in that regard.
Speaker 1: So so now it's almost like he proved it in
Speaker 1: a way, you know, kind kind of similar to land
Speaker 1: and Tice And you know, I just put those two
Speaker 1: in the same bucket because they had this bed over
Speaker 1: the summer. But like going into the summer, you know,
Speaker 1: Landon was a big name and has had some scores,
Speaker 1: but then finally he made that WPT final table and
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, here we go, like here's the
Speaker 1: big breakout run, the big breakout score on a major
Speaker 1: stage for land Entice, right, so similar sort of thing there.
Speaker 1: It's like eventually you need to be like, yeah, but
Speaker 1: what are they actually done? Well? Landon had that WPT
Speaker 1: run for a ton of money. Jeremy Becker now gets
Speaker 1: this victory at the Poker Masters and was in contention
Speaker 1: for the whole series, so you know, kind of a
Speaker 1: jumping off point for them, but as it relates to
Speaker 1: the Poker Masters one for Jeremy Becker. Justin Zachi gets
Speaker 1: his second PGT winn of the season for taking home
Speaker 1: top honors in of at number three two hundred and
Speaker 1: forty four thousand dollars for him. Previously the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four PGT season, he won the fifth event at the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Cup for two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: He denied Jeremy Osmas his first win of the PGT season.
Speaker 1: Osmas has twenty one cashes but still a goose egg
Speaker 1: on or in the win column for Osmas, and Zaki
Speaker 1: was the one who denied him the win in this event.
Speaker 1: Jonathan Little, the Poker gro Cup Series champion from earlier
Speaker 1: this year. He won Event number four two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty six thousand dollars for him his third win of
Speaker 1: the PGT season. Worth noting that Harvey Castro got second place.
Speaker 1: You may not know that game, but very very young kid.
Speaker 1: What was he twenty one or twenty two?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Twenty one?
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was the record that he set youngest ever
Speaker 1: sinyal table on the PGT.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm confirmed, but very likely.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and basically set it for a day because
Speaker 1: the next event was David Chen who's twenty one years
Speaker 1: old and won Event number five for two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventeen thousand dollars. David Chen, mit grat in computer science,
Speaker 1: does some some writing for gto Wizard. He became the
Speaker 1: youngest ever on the PGT winning that event, and then
Speaker 1: he ultimately was in contention in the twenty five K
Speaker 1: later on in the series as well. Isaac Haxton three
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty eight hundred dollars for winning event number six,
Speaker 1: Event number six and noven number seven Weber, both fifteen k's.
Speaker 1: Hackston's the reigning PGT Player of the year. It was
Speaker 1: his first PGT win this season. Before getting the victory
Speaker 1: in Event number six, he had a sixth place finish
Speaker 1: in event number four and a sixth place finish in
Speaker 1: event number five, So Hackson was heating up a little
Speaker 1: bit entering this event and then was ultimately able to
Speaker 1: get the victory. Event number seven was all Brock Wilson's.
Speaker 1: He had a big chip lead, hit a big chip lead,
Speaker 1: what going into the final table, you know late on
Speaker 1: day one. Ultimately was able to ride that out. Big
Speaker 1: beneficiary of Seth Davies punting over his steat with it
Speaker 1: was what yeah, but what was it? Six players left
Speaker 1: or it was a short stack at the table, yes,
Speaker 1: And that's why it was like kind of crazy for
Speaker 1: what Seth Davies did he I believe it was button
Speaker 1: versus small blind or maybe cut off versus button. I
Speaker 1: forget exactly, but Davies opened got three bet by Wilson,
Speaker 1: who had Jack's Davies elected to four bet. Jam Wilson
Speaker 1: quickly called off and the ace three suited did not
Speaker 1: come home for Seth Davies and he he came into
Speaker 1: that final table like one of the top three stacks,
Speaker 1: maybe even second in chips, and was out like right away.
Speaker 1: I think he went out in sixth place. So yeah,
Speaker 1: Brock Wilson did sell action to this event on poker Steak.
Speaker 1: You know, I there's a lot of players that sell
Speaker 1: action on poker Steak and a lot of players that
Speaker 1: had success this series, and I just I think it's cool,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're looking to sweat along with the action.
Speaker 1: You know, Tim and I can't when whenever it involves
Speaker 1: something that we're you know, streaming and working on. But
Speaker 1: you know, head on over to poker steak dot com.
Speaker 1: A lot of a lot of guys and girls that
Speaker 1: are playing the the PGT tournaments are listing a ton
Speaker 1: of action. Victoria Lifshitz had action on there. I know,
Speaker 1: Jesse Vierlan had action on there. David Coleman lists action
Speaker 1: on there, Jeremy Osmas, Aram Zobian, yeah, Aramzobe and Jeremy
Speaker 1: Osmas has action on there right now for Super High
Speaker 1: Rollable PLO coming up. So yeah, so there's a lot
Speaker 1: of action to be had, you know for the PGT events,
Speaker 1: and it pairs well when you are a poker Go
Speaker 1: subscriber and you are able to you know, watch and
Speaker 1: then also be like, yeah, I'm invested in so and so,
Speaker 1: like I have a piece of Brock Wilson like, that's
Speaker 1: really cool. He went on to win. So I win,
Speaker 1: so I'm invested that way. I just like that tie in.
Speaker 1: So yeah, poker steak dot com if you want to
Speaker 1: get in on that sort of stuff. And then rounding
Speaker 1: out the winners. There were eight events during the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four Poker Masters. Ben Tolering wins five hundred and
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars for taking home the twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Nolan HOLDHM finale. Sixty eight entries in this one
Speaker 1: was the field size that Toleraine topped. It was somewhat
Speaker 1: surprising to see him in the studio, but glad to
Speaker 1: have him. He topped Taylor von Kriegenberg in heads up play.
Speaker 1: Toleraine is enjoying his best tournament year ever. He's got
Speaker 1: more than five point one million dollars in winnings already.
Speaker 1: He was second to Santos Servanna in the WSFP two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty k Super high Roller. He also has
Speaker 1: some Triton scores of five hundred and thirty two thousand
Speaker 1: and three hundred and ninety one thousand dollars. So big,
Speaker 1: big year for Tollerene. You know, has always been a
Speaker 1: successful poker player, you know, but but not always like
Speaker 1: in the spotlight, I would say, but seems to be playing,
Speaker 1: you know, some bigger tournaments this year and obviously having
Speaker 1: plenty of success in them. So general thoughts, I guess
Speaker 1: let's start at the top. The series opened big. I mean,
Speaker 1: we hit on it with the one hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: one entries in that first five K event, largest Poker
Speaker 1: Masters event ever, largest field in a PGT Nolanan Holdham
Speaker 1: event ever. But as you know, because you are the commissioner,
Speaker 1: a bunch of names missed. Oh yeah, so like which
Speaker 1: which tells? Which tells me that the see It tells
Speaker 1: me a couple of things. One, the series could have
Speaker 1: been bigger than it was. Like specifically, this opening event
Speaker 1: could have been bigger than it was, but the series
Speaker 1: as a whole could have been bigger than it was.
Speaker 1: It also tells me that I feel like we're doing
Speaker 1: an all right job getting new people in there, where
Speaker 1: the numbers can look very good and they can grow
Speaker 1: year over year, even with the fact that we're missing
Speaker 1: all the names. So who missed? Who were you surprised
Speaker 1: not to see? Like all these guys that that I
Speaker 1: know you're about to say, are are we could put
Speaker 1: them in the bucket of regulars like they play.
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not calling out the guys that you know,
Speaker 3: play one or two events, calling the guys that normally
Speaker 3: play every event training our series especially, know of them
Speaker 3: and hold them. Brian Kim, Brian Rast, Stephen Shiitwick, Frank Fernaro,
Speaker 3: David Peters, as A Kimpton, Masashi, Oya, Nacha Barbera, Alex Livingson,
Speaker 3: Max Coleman, Stephens Song, Joey Weisman, Dylan to Stephano, Philip
Speaker 3: shing Lowis Spencer, Alex Condon, ed Sebesta, Anthony Who, and
Speaker 3: I guess we can throw in you know, Phil hellm
Speaker 3: With and of course I've got Adam Hendrix in there
Speaker 3: as well. Now a lot of these guys have excuses.
Speaker 3: I'm going to give it to him. Some went to
Speaker 3: Australia to play the WPT event, Some are moving to Portugal,
Speaker 3: some are just washed up, I don't know, broke. But
Speaker 3: the fact that there's twenty five to thirty people we
Speaker 3: can name that could have easily been in every event
Speaker 3: not here shows that our opening event could have easily
Speaker 3: been you know, one hundred and thirty could have easily
Speaker 3: hit two hundred, I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that would be great. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I would love to see numbers continue to grow for
Speaker 1: these series, you know, I would I would like for
Speaker 1: them to grow enough.
Speaker 2: That we need a new studio.
Speaker 1: On the pgt well, I mean, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that's possible, but on the PG TEA, we would be
Speaker 1: forced to like have two flights two days for the
Speaker 1: five k opener that we now do. Like that, that's like,
Speaker 1: that's like the goal that I think we should kind
Speaker 1: of have, you know, make it so you know, when
Speaker 1: when you're tim when you're doing the schedule for the
Speaker 1: next Poker gro Cup, you're like, shit, I need two
Speaker 1: starting flights because we're gonna get two hundred plus players.
Speaker 1: Like that, that's like that should be our goal. I
Speaker 1: would like for us to put a little bit more
Speaker 1: effort into satellites. I know, internally you and I have
Speaker 1: you know, pushed for that a lot. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean it's I guess i'll work in progress. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think we did our right with satellites this time around,
Speaker 1: you know, but if we can make them a little
Speaker 1: bit bigger, offer them for maybe some of the bigger
Speaker 1: events as well, then we can we can start growing
Speaker 1: things as a whole. But yeah, I mean listen without
Speaker 1: these names and and it's not even like you know,
Speaker 1: like a let's say, I don't know Brian cam these
Speaker 1: first on your list, here her Steven Chidwick for example.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's anywhere from one to three entry. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, if they bust, they're going to max enter, right,
Speaker 1: So you know it's it's even if there's fifteen names
Speaker 1: on this list, that can be anywhere from thirty to
Speaker 1: forty five additional entries in a tournament. So do you
Speaker 1: do you have any like reason why things jump from
Speaker 1: year to year? Is it just the general trajectory and
Speaker 1: brand building that the tour is on? Is it? Is
Speaker 1: it players are getting I mean you hear players all
Speaker 1: the time. You hear our regulars all the time talk
Speaker 1: about like you know, the leaderboard prizes and the and
Speaker 1: qualifying for the million dollar free role at the end
Speaker 1: of the year. Like is that something that's just drawing
Speaker 1: new people in? Like what you know, why are these
Speaker 1: numbers just continuing to grow?
Speaker 3: I mean over the last few years, Pokemasa's always seems
Speaker 3: to be the biggest of a no limit hold of mages.
Speaker 3: At the end of the day, all these schedules are
Speaker 3: the same, right, five K, some tens, fifteen to twenty five's,
Speaker 3: So there are real difference between this and the USBO
Speaker 3: or the Poke Up. I think there's a lot to
Speaker 3: do with timing. You know, we're talking September, talking post
Speaker 3: World Series, so you know, some people have more money
Speaker 3: after a good World Series. Some people have you know,
Speaker 3: recovered their bankrolls, you know, you know we talk about USPO,
Speaker 3: maybe people are saving their money for the World Series.
Speaker 3: That's that's one reason. I think there's also been a
Speaker 3: bit of a lull in poker since the World Series.
Speaker 3: So you know that ends what July seventeenth, dish, We've now,
Speaker 3: you know, a couple months out since then, people have
Speaker 3: taken their break, they've recovered, they've spent time with family,
Speaker 3: they've traveled, and now they just kind of they're ready
Speaker 3: to play, ready to grind. So I think that's one
Speaker 3: good thing about this, where the Poke Masters is a
Speaker 3: couple months after the World Series where people just have
Speaker 3: that itch. And then if we're talking about kind of
Speaker 3: the brand it's been around for so long compared to
Speaker 3: the others. It's you know, this was his eighth installment,
Speaker 3: and I think this resonates as strong as like the
Speaker 3: Super high Roller brand, whereas you know, Poke Cup only
Speaker 3: three four five years old. People may not care as much,
Speaker 3: but Pokemsa's, I think is just a bit more brand,
Speaker 3: weaight than the others.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, part of it is the luck
Speaker 1: factor too. I mean, let's be honest, there's two kind
Speaker 1: of luck factors involved with the series.
Speaker 2: Like this.
Speaker 1: One is the luck factor as it pertains two re entries.
Speaker 1: You know, it can break a certain way where you know,
Speaker 1: the players who wouldn't re enter or are busting out
Speaker 1: and the players who would possibly re enter our getting
Speaker 1: all the chips early, so that can kind of sway
Speaker 1: the entry number. Also, I mean, if you look at
Speaker 1: the first event, the five k Opener, you had Spencer
Speaker 1: Champlin winning, you had Jessica Erling second in chips, you
Speaker 1: had Nick Seward sixth place, you know for thirty two k.
Speaker 1: So I mean the point of why we went to
Speaker 1: having a five k opener was and some of the
Speaker 1: players were actually talking about about it, and I was
Speaker 1: I was eavesdropping where they were like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: they should just make the opener a ten k but
Speaker 1: this year, and it's obviously an extremely small sample size
Speaker 1: because this is just one event of a bunch and
Speaker 1: it just happened to break our way. But like when
Speaker 1: you get a Champlin winning a Virling second, you know,
Speaker 1: Nick Seward sixth, they're immediately motivated to then play the
Speaker 1: next event and then hopefully they start going on a run.
Speaker 1: And like that's kind of what you saw specifically out
Speaker 1: of you know, Champling and Seward. I mean, Jess Verlin
Speaker 1: played i think all the ten games, so she was
Speaker 1: in there, you know, so that's great, but maybe she
Speaker 1: elects to not play the ten k's if she doesn't
Speaker 1: have that ninety eight thousand dollars score in the first one.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure. Champlain, you know, had that
Speaker 1: first place, then he cashed the next event in ninth place.
Speaker 1: Nick Seward had the sixth place in the first one,
Speaker 1: then a fifth place in the next one. So it's
Speaker 1: like like a Nick Seward, for example, or a Champlin,
Speaker 1: you know, immediately you're like, okay, I'm possibly in the running,
Speaker 1: and I can just kind of like keep rolling my
Speaker 1: winnings over and basically like free rolling myself into the
Speaker 1: next tournament, and you know Nick Seward like then he
Speaker 1: had you know, another cash in event number three, and
Speaker 1: then another cash in event number four, and like he
Speaker 1: just kept going and going and go or sorry, another
Speaker 1: cash in event number five. So like you just kept
Speaker 1: going and going and going. So the point is is,
Speaker 1: like we want to get people that might take a
Speaker 1: shot in a five K, and it's easier to get
Speaker 1: satellite people in a five K to then hopefully do
Speaker 1: well and then spin it into the next events and
Speaker 1: then maybe they make a run, you know. So that's
Speaker 1: that's the goal with with having the five K as
Speaker 1: the opener, and if you're a bigger player and you
Speaker 1: want to skip it, I mean, by all that does welcome.
Speaker 3: Yes, we do have people skipping the five K, and
Speaker 3: we've heard them say that, yeah, I don't want to
Speaker 3: play fives and then they see these field sides getting
Speaker 3: so big. They see the satellite you know, I think
Speaker 3: there was eight satellite qualifiers or nine into the opening event.
Speaker 3: You see these nine qualifiers, you see all these fresh
Speaker 3: faces you've never heard of, and some of these pros
Speaker 3: that lick in their lips, they're like, oh, I can
Speaker 3: beat these guys, you know. So we're basically creating a
Speaker 3: bit more EV for the pros, but we're also giving
Speaker 3: opportunity to you know, fresh faces, newcomers, people taking their
Speaker 3: shot where they can Hey, yeah, I can play this.
Speaker 3: Maybe I got in for five hundred dollars, or maybe
Speaker 3: I'll take a shot at a five K buy in
Speaker 3: to play in the studio and potentially you know, be
Speaker 3: on TV when you know, one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean I like the five k's. I
Speaker 1: think they're serious.
Speaker 3: There's an argument should we have two five kse that's
Speaker 3: you know, I'd rather go the other way than as
Speaker 3: you mentioned, you know, we should just make it a ten. Well,
Speaker 3: we used to do that. I think five is great
Speaker 3: because we get these new faces. You've said it, they parlay,
Speaker 3: they keep playing. Maybe there's a you know, there's an
Speaker 3: argument to having two five k's and then we go
Speaker 3: in the tens.
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could it could be something where
Speaker 1: you know, we maybe you do like two five k's
Speaker 1: for the Poka Roo Cup, but then you start with
Speaker 1: ten k's for Masters, just because Masters feels like the
Speaker 1: more prestigious, more distinguished brand of the majors. So I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, there's options there, but yeah, just
Speaker 1: wanted to put that out there. Turnouts overall, I think
Speaker 1: held pretty well, especially for the two to fifteen k's
Speaker 1: and also the twenty five K.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just touch on that real quick. So
Speaker 3: you already mentioned one hundred and thirty one entrants in
Speaker 3: the opening event. That's the biggest five K no limit
Speaker 3: hold and we've ever done. You know, we haven't done
Speaker 3: a lot of them, that's something new for this season,
Speaker 3: but still one hundred and thirty one entrance, ninety four
Speaker 3: unique unique players, which is kind of pretty awesome. It's
Speaker 3: also the sixth biggest five K field we've ever had. Obviously,
Speaker 3: our PLO events just have smashing numbers. Heading on to
Speaker 3: the ten k's event, two one hundred entrance, sixty four uniques.
Speaker 3: That's the fourth biggest ten K held in the studio
Speaker 3: during the PGT. Moving on to the fifteens, had two
Speaker 3: fifteen's eighty four entrance, seventy six entrance. That ranks as
Speaker 3: second and third biggest fifteen k's we've ever had in
Speaker 3: the studio during the PGT. Finally, the twenty five K
Speaker 3: that had a total of sixty eight entrance. That is
Speaker 3: the third biggest twenty five K held in the studio.
Speaker 3: These are all no limit numbers. Now, crazy thing is
Speaker 3: sixty eight entrance. The next two best was sixty nine
Speaker 3: entrants each. Here's the thing. I can call these people out.
Speaker 3: Now we've already called some people, are going to call
Speaker 3: more people out. Our boss carry Kats.
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, before you get into this, I would just
Speaker 1: like to make it clear and put it on record
Speaker 1: that Tim is the one point out and Donnie is
Speaker 1: not doing.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, our bus carry Kats, our other Lord and savior,
Speaker 3: Daniel Negrando, Dan Shack, Chris Brewer, China Reim. That's five
Speaker 3: people that are good for at least sometimes max bullets.
Speaker 3: But just let's give him just one bullet. Let's say
Speaker 3: they ran good and we're on there. Let's five people
Speaker 3: missing from the twenty five K that would have put
Speaker 3: us to seventy three entrants munimum, which would have been
Speaker 3: the biggest twenty five K. No lemon hold him event
Speaker 3: in the studio, Now, I get it. Chris Brewery, he's
Speaker 3: running an off in ban for something. Gino playing table
Speaker 3: one cash games, Daniel. I know you're often Counteda playing
Speaker 3: pool and GG poker, cool Carrie and Dan who knows
Speaker 3: what you're doing.
Speaker 1: But just saying, well, Daniel Legrony makes sense to me,
Speaker 1: and he makes sense because the series wasn't going that
Speaker 1: well for him, so there was no Purple Jacket implications
Speaker 1: for him to come in and you know, even rip
Speaker 1: off a win in the twenty five K.
Speaker 3: I think I think he skipped a finale once.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if Daniel, if he even had a shot
Speaker 1: to win and win the Purple Jacket, I think he
Speaker 1: would have been in there. But that also comes in
Speaker 1: tandem with the fact that he's sitting pretty on the
Speaker 1: PGT leader he's currently fifth and we'll talk.
Speaker 2: On us a little bit later point stuff and not
Speaker 2: showing up.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like he's he's in an extremely comfortable
Speaker 1: position and is never gonna fall outside the top at
Speaker 1: least I think it's no. But I'm saying that. But
Speaker 1: I'm saying if he's if he's like outside the top forty,
Speaker 1: if he's like forty six, maybe if he does say Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the twenty five K. But that's that's
Speaker 1: also why I'm so surprised that Carrie skips because because
Speaker 1: he's outside the top forty and we know that, we
Speaker 1: know that he you know, he told us he might
Speaker 1: be missing the PLO series, et cetera, you know, due
Speaker 1: to some travel. So it's like, well, there's like you're
Speaker 1: running out of PGT events. I mean like at some point,
Speaker 1: at some point it just becomes a volume game that
Speaker 1: you just have to play and try and get the
Speaker 1: cashes right, So, I mean, and then also like, yeah,
Speaker 1: for some people they can, like for Daniel, you might
Speaker 1: say like, well, you know, points do equal starting hips,
Speaker 1: so the more points you get, the more starting tips
Speaker 1: you have in the PGT Championship. Yes, but Daniel also
Speaker 1: him into the year quality over quantity, so he's like
Speaker 1: an understandable one. For me, Carrie is less understandable because
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got to get the point.
Speaker 2: That's a good question.
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of around oh, he's sixteen, so yeah,
Speaker 1: So anyone that's like, you know, within striking distance of
Speaker 1: the top forty and you know, I would assume would
Speaker 1: have also played the twenty five K. Coupled with the
Speaker 1: fact that this twenty five K was large, it's not like,
Speaker 1: you know, you're rocking up to play a twenty person
Speaker 1: twenty five K. No, there was sixty eight entries, so
Speaker 1: and you also had you had a bunch of like
Speaker 1: first timers in there. The two that stick out to me,
Speaker 1: Jeremy Becker and David Chen, you know, because they were
Speaker 1: in the running for the jacket, like they were going
Speaker 1: to play. You know, Nick Seward was he talked about
Speaker 1: how he was gonna play the twenty five K and
Speaker 1: it would have been his first twenty five K ever ever,
Speaker 1: excuse me, had he been in the running for the jacket,
Speaker 1: but he deemed that he was probably gonna get ruled out,
Speaker 1: so he didn't. But if he had like cash the
Speaker 1: fifteen k or something like that, you know, or had
Speaker 1: a little bit of a better finish, then he probably
Speaker 1: in there as well. So so yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not surprised with Daniel. I am surprised
Speaker 1: that that carry. And and then also Dan Shack missed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm calling you guys out. You should have
Speaker 3: all played no more. It's not even the fact that
Speaker 3: they didn't play, get they all have excuses. It's at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, it's all their money, their
Speaker 3: own money. This is the fact that we were so
Speaker 3: we're just literally one person off tying the record and
Speaker 3: two people.
Speaker 1: You could have bought it.
Speaker 3: I'm very you could have bought it if I could
Speaker 3: expense it.
Speaker 1: You're the one who runs around the studio while day
Speaker 1: being like mister financed finance, a.
Speaker 2: Good financial decision not to play when you're as bad
Speaker 2: as you.
Speaker 1: Could have got in there. You could have maxilate right
Speaker 1: and just knitted it up to a cash Sean winterstyle,
Speaker 1: three big blinds get in.
Speaker 3: But either way, yeah, one off tying the record, two
Speaker 3: off setting a new record. But this is all good
Speaker 3: stuff for the PGT. We're growing, we're expanding, We're doing
Speaker 3: what we can to to put on a good product
Speaker 3: for you know, the players, and that's all that matters.
Speaker 1: I think, speaking of the players, this just want to
Speaker 1: touch on this, this fifty thousand dollars side bed, which
Speaker 1: I just thought was a fun little, you know, storyline
Speaker 1: within it all. I think there was seven players involved,
Speaker 1: maybe six, I can't remember. I remember Texas Mike Michael
Speaker 1: Monsek saying that he got in, but he got in
Speaker 1: for event number two because he skipped event number one,
Speaker 1: but it's it's it's fun to me. It's entertaining that,
Speaker 1: you know, these series and the PGT have become meaningful
Speaker 1: enough that these guys are now doing like a fifty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars per person must win side bet. Like that's
Speaker 1: just interesting and that's kind of why I wanted to
Speaker 1: bring it up. Some honorable mentions. I mean, obviously Jim
Speaker 1: Collape winning is the headliner here, of course, but just
Speaker 1: just some other things that that came out of the
Speaker 1: series that I think are worth talking about. Two satellite
Speaker 1: winners heads up in the first event, Champlain winning Railing second.
Speaker 1: You know, we talked about that already, but just want
Speaker 1: to bring that home that, you know, once again, when
Speaker 1: we have these satellites ahead of the big made your series,
Speaker 1: you can get in there. You can play at Aria,
Speaker 1: you can turn five sixty into a five K and
Speaker 1: go from there. Tim and I talked at length about
Speaker 1: the great turnout across the events. Awesome to see breakout
Speaker 1: win for breakout, high stakes win for Becker, and he
Speaker 1: also challenged for the Lead award. Playing his first twenty
Speaker 1: five K. Nick Sewart, his year continues to be hot.
Speaker 1: He had five cashes and two final tables. At the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four Poker Masters he cashed four of the
Speaker 1: first five events. You know, he won. He wont to bracelet.
Speaker 1: Over the summer, I think he took the three K
Speaker 1: six Max Nolan hold him down for five hundred and something. K.
Speaker 1: Had some success recently down in Florida at Seminole, won
Speaker 1: a couple of events there, took fourth place and another one.
Speaker 1: Walked out of there with a lot of prize money
Speaker 1: and then brings it to the studio for Poker Masters
Speaker 1: and does very well. And you know, he's someone who
Speaker 1: maybe he took a shot here and there in some
Speaker 1: five K before. But I think we're now going to
Speaker 1: see a bit more of Nicholas Seward at the Poker
Speaker 1: gro studio. And he's he's pretty young. He's in his twenties,
Speaker 1: I believe early twenties. So be on the lookout for
Speaker 1: Nicholas Seward. And then you know, we talked about the
Speaker 1: players like missing the twenty five K just overall quiet
Speaker 1: series from the Grandeux, from Carrie Katz, Jesse Lonis, Alex Foxen.
Speaker 1: You know, based on what we normally see from these players,
Speaker 1: they really didn't make that much noise at all. They
Speaker 1: combined between these four for six cashes for two hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which again for them, that's pretty low. You know,
Speaker 1: I think Foxin, I think it was Foxen had three
Speaker 1: cashes and the other three had one cash each, So
Speaker 1: you know, and and Foxen's cash is I mean, you
Speaker 1: could tell, like just watching him on the streams, he
Speaker 1: was just kind of frustrated, it seemed, with how the
Speaker 1: series was going, you know, just really couldn't get anything happening.
Speaker 1: Things didn't work out in his favor, et cetera. So
Speaker 1: those guys a little bit down right now, but you know,
Speaker 1: we'll obviously see big things from them going forward. As
Speaker 1: it pertains to the PGT leaderboard, got Jeremy Osmas still
Speaker 1: up on top twenty one cases. He does have zero wins,
Speaker 1: but twenty one cashes is a crap ton of cashes,
Speaker 1: twenty three hundred and sixty nine points, which puts him
Speaker 1: five hundred and thirty four points ahead of Michael Rocco,
Speaker 1: who is in second place. Jim Collipy he jumped up
Speaker 1: into seventh. He's got fifteen hundred and seventy four points.
Speaker 1: He's now very comfortable compared to last year. He went
Speaker 1: from this series before the Pokemaster started, he was twenty ninth.
Speaker 1: He jumped up into seventh. You know, last year, Tim
Speaker 1: and I already mentioned it, but he was that the
Speaker 1: final event, the final series PGT Last Chance, he was
Speaker 1: sweating at the bar whether or not certain things would
Speaker 1: break his way that he could get in the top
Speaker 1: forty and then get into the PGT Championship. This year,
Speaker 1: it feels like he is guaranteed to make it, I mean,
Speaker 1: minus a miracle, so he's very comfortable. My question to you,
Speaker 1: we know immediately coming up we have the PGT PLO series.
Speaker 1: We got super high rollable PLO. I know you worked
Speaker 1: with Champions Club on a PLO series that's happening down there.
Speaker 1: We know Collaby can play PLO in addition to Nola
Speaker 1: at Hold Them. Could he challenge Jeremy Osmas for the
Speaker 1: POY title?
Speaker 3: I think he could, But the question is will he
Speaker 3: really try to because you know, I would say he's
Speaker 3: fairly safe position wise to make the championship. Does he
Speaker 3: turn down his volume like he's probably gonna play the
Speaker 3: PLO series? But I'm talking more, you know, whatever other
Speaker 3: series we do if we if we have this bounty series,
Speaker 3: you know, we do have Last Chance on the eve of.
Speaker 2: You know, to end the season, Like he could just
Speaker 2: skip those Did.
Speaker 1: He played Did he played Super High Rollable PLO last year?
Speaker 3: No? I don't think he did, so I could see
Speaker 3: him skipping the Last Chance if he's if he's pretty
Speaker 3: comfortably in so I think maybe he technically could compete
Speaker 3: and take on Jeremy, but I feel like he's, if anything,
Speaker 3: he's probably going to wind down his volume at the
Speaker 3: end of the season, especially with those no limit hold
Speaker 3: the events. And you know what, Jeremy's got a pretty
Speaker 3: impressive lead right now, and Michael Rocco, who you know,
Speaker 3: we'll see if he shows up for anything soon. He
Speaker 3: could also take his foot off the gas come Last Chance.
Speaker 3: If he's got a four hundred point lead, five hundred
Speaker 3: point lead over whoever's second at that point, he might
Speaker 3: just skip that series and spend some time with family.
Speaker 2: So it's very Do you.
Speaker 1: Think Jeremy Osms has taken time off if?
Speaker 3: Yes, many people, Yeah, yeah, I think he could. He
Speaker 3: could definitely do that, especially I'm talking specifically PGT Last Chance,
Speaker 3: you know where it's January tewcond to seventh ish it's
Speaker 3: you know, all ten k no limit hold on events.
Speaker 2: He's got his.
Speaker 3: He can't do much to improve on his on his
Speaker 3: standings both the lead aboard now if he's gunning for
Speaker 3: some GPI, if he's gunning for something else.
Speaker 1: More chips, Well, because you don't come in ce you
Speaker 1: come in, haven't played.
Speaker 3: Some have the same chips. Remember, we may be changing it.
Speaker 3: I'm looking at it this week. The chips might be
Speaker 3: locked to position. So it doesn't matter how many points
Speaker 3: you have in first. If you're first, you have you know.
Speaker 3: It disadvantages Jeremy, but it advantages the people in those
Speaker 3: mid twenties thirties to try and ladder up a few
Speaker 3: extra spots to gain some big blinds. So we'll say
Speaker 3: I haven't really locked anything yet, but that's the current
Speaker 3: tentative plan.
Speaker 1: Some other movers on the PGT leaderboard, Jesse Lonas went
Speaker 1: from fourth to third. Aromzovian went from seventh to sixth.
Speaker 1: Kristen Foxen, who started the year heart slipped outside of
Speaker 1: the top ten, is back into the top ten. She
Speaker 1: went twelfth to tenth, moving into the top forty. The
Speaker 1: top forty. Of course we always reference that, and just
Speaker 1: so if you are unaware, the top forty is important
Speaker 1: because the top forty players on the leaderboard, as long
Speaker 1: as you have three cashes at least, then you qualify
Speaker 1: for the season ending PGT Championship Million Dollar Free role,
Speaker 1: which I have now renamed the PGT Million Dollar Championship. Okay,
Speaker 1: So moving into the top forty, Ben Tolleran climbs into
Speaker 1: thirty third, Shawn Winter gets into thirty seventh, Ren Lynn
Speaker 1: into thirty eighth, Jonathan Little and thirty ninth, and then
Speaker 1: falling out of the top forty because if you have
Speaker 1: four additions, you're gonna have four subtractions. Joshua Adkins falls
Speaker 1: to forty first, Steven Chidwick falls to forty second, Breschkuten
Speaker 1: falls to forty fourth, and David Eldridge drops to forty fifth.
Speaker 1: Most notably there would be Chidwick. He's somebody you could
Speaker 1: probably always bet on being in the top ten of
Speaker 1: the PGT leader board. So he's going through a bit
Speaker 1: of a relocation right now. So he did skip Masters,
Speaker 1: but I would anticipate we see him for some of
Speaker 1: the other stuff we have going on, and then we'll obviously,
Speaker 1: if you know Childwick's good enough, he's gonna put in
Speaker 1: the volume. You know, it's just just a matter of
Speaker 1: if he's here playing then then he'll get in. So
Speaker 1: we'll see how that goes. And then we do have
Speaker 1: some some players who are still outside of the top forty,
Speaker 1: but did climb very nicely with some results from the
Speaker 1: Poker Masters where they are very much now within striking
Speaker 1: distance of that top forty. Taylor von Kriegenberg, he showed
Speaker 1: up played only the twenty five k right at Poker Masters,
Speaker 1: but he got second, so he climbs to forty third.
Speaker 1: Brock Wilson moved up to forty eighth, Justin Zaki climbed
Speaker 1: to fifty first, Jeremy Becker is now fifty fourth, and
Speaker 1: Michael Manchek aka Texas Mike is now fifty ninth. For you, sir,
Speaker 1: my question, okay, and it might be some people you
Speaker 1: have already mentioned on this podcast, but who are your
Speaker 1: biggest surprises sitting outside the top forty as things stand
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 3: I guess Steven Chidwick's obviously the big one skipping poke masts.
Speaker 3: I think he may have skipped a cup this other
Speaker 3: year too, with visa issues with relocation issues.
Speaker 2: So that's I guess that's a big one to me.
Speaker 3: You know, I'd also say Alex Fox and Dan Chak,
Speaker 3: Carry Kat Sam Several, Isaac Hackson, Lucky Cheery, Cris Brewer,
Speaker 3: these guys that put in pretty heavy volume in the studio.
Speaker 3: You know, things are just not breaking their way on
Speaker 3: the PGT right now. But there's still a lot of time,
Speaker 3: so we still have you know, they still have a chance.
Speaker 3: I do want to mention, though you mentioned the top forty,
Speaker 3: we do have a new rule this year. You have
Speaker 3: to have three PGT cashes this season. Okay, so if
Speaker 3: we look at the leaderboard, we take out some of
Speaker 3: these people that only have two or one cash. Now,
Speaker 3: I know, you know, for example, Jonathan Tomao World Champ
Speaker 3: has two cashes. He will be in Texas. He already
Speaker 3: understands the rules. He's going to be coming at one
Speaker 3: point to try and get that extra cash. But if
Speaker 3: we rule out, if we locked it right now, let's
Speaker 3: pretend it's January. We get rid of everyone with one
Speaker 3: or two cashes, and I'll tell you the guys that
Speaker 3: jump back into the qualification. Steven Chidwick, he's in Taylor,
Speaker 3: Wan Kregenberg, In breck In Brock Wilson, Samoulei Sapilia, Justin Zaki,
Speaker 3: Jeremy Becker, Joey Weisman, Monald Kajo, Michael Munchak, Sam Lasquitz
Speaker 3: or are in the top forty under the new rules. Obviously,
Speaker 3: we have another thirty events to go PLO series, the
Speaker 3: PLO Series in Texas some no limit hold them stuff,
Speaker 3: so you know there's going to be some there's some
Speaker 3: definitely going to be some changes. I know for a fact,
Speaker 3: Joshua Adkins, who's currently forty first Big PLO Player, is
Speaker 3: aware of the PLO Series. It's David Eldridge, forty fifth
Speaker 3: Big PLO Player, also aware of the PLO Series. They
Speaker 3: both have one cash. They're sitting just outside the top forty.
Speaker 3: Hopefully they come to the PLO Series, get their way
Speaker 3: in and maybe push some some of the people out
Speaker 3: that are just kind of sitting on that fringe. So
Speaker 3: I do like this top three cash rule does open
Speaker 3: it up more. You know, we're looking at Sam Laskowitz's
Speaker 3: in he's currently sixtieth.
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, and there are some people within the top
Speaker 1: forty who don't meet that qualification yet. But I think
Speaker 1: would well, he'll be favorites to meet it just just
Speaker 1: talking with them and knowing that they're going to be
Speaker 1: playing stuff. You mentioned Jonathan Tomile, you know he's got
Speaker 1: two so he needs another one. But but he's aware,
Speaker 1: as you said, I know, Brian Kim is aware. He's
Speaker 1: also got two cashes. You know, he's been sending some
Speaker 1: messages being like, hey, you know, when's this, when's this,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm looking for my third cash, et cetera.
Speaker 1: So he's someone Matthew lemb.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say he played I think six
Speaker 3: of the Polo the Masters events, Pucker Masa's events, didn't
Speaker 3: get a cash, but he knows what he knows he
Speaker 3: needs one more so he was trying maybe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some of these other guys are just they're
Speaker 1: PLO guys, you know, So I would like Elie Nakash.
Speaker 1: He's a PLO guy, right, So you know PLO series
Speaker 1: coming up, Super high Rollable PLO, the Texas PLO series,
Speaker 1: so like you know, they can just you know, rip
Speaker 1: off a cash or two in that sort of stuff
Speaker 1: if they're playing that sort of stuff and then they're
Speaker 1: in right, So so yeah, so it's it's going to
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how it all shakes out overall.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm looking forward to it. You had most
Speaker 1: of the people I put down nine names that I
Speaker 1: was surprised or outside the top forty. You mentioned Chidwick,
Speaker 1: You mentioned Fox, and you mentioned Soball, you mentioned Hackston.
Speaker 1: I think Liechtenberger, Chris Brewer, Carrie Katz the two that
Speaker 1: I had that you didn't mention Eric Sidel sixty fifth.
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't put in like the most volume
Speaker 1: on the PGT, but he always seems to perform very well.
Speaker 1: So and we obviously know Eric's Sidel is very good.
Speaker 1: The guy's a legend, so I'm just kind of surprised
Speaker 1: to see him outside the top the top forty. He's
Speaker 1: currently sixty fifth. And then Victoria Livshitz, who has put
Speaker 1: in the volume and does have you know, a handful
Speaker 1: of results, but not the biggest results, right, Like she
Speaker 1: won an event, but it was during the PGT Texas
Speaker 1: poke Ropen, so not the biggest or not the most
Speaker 1: amount of points, so stuff like that, you know, but
Speaker 1: like she made the final table of the twenty five
Speaker 1: k to wrap up Poker Masters. She had some results
Speaker 1: there like she's she's performing well, she's putting in the volume.
Speaker 1: She just needs to kind of you know, for her,
Speaker 1: I guess it's gonna be it's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: two things. Either she's gonna find a big win somehow,
Speaker 1: some way, right, like she's gonna show up to I
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's the Bounty Series, Maybe it's Last Chance.
Speaker 1: Maybe she plays the NAPT Super high Roller, which does count.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about that in a second, but
Speaker 1: you know, and maybe she gets a first second or
Speaker 1: a third in something there and like she gets the
Speaker 1: big point toll that she needs, or for her, it's
Speaker 1: just going to be a volume game, right, you know,
Speaker 1: she's going to have five to ten more cases and
Speaker 1: just add up the points and then get in that way.
Speaker 1: So I would expect you see a fair amount of
Speaker 1: these these players get into the top forty. But but
Speaker 1: of course, you know, you never know at the end
Speaker 1: of the day. So you know, as always, Tim and
Speaker 1: I will keep an eye on that. And then I
Speaker 1: did tease it the NAPT Las Vegas turning to Resorts World.
Speaker 1: So the twenty twenty four Poker Masters had a partnership
Speaker 1: this year has a partnership this year where it's presented
Speaker 1: by the Poker Stars NAPT That allowed for the winner
Speaker 1: of the Poker Masters and that is Jim Collopy. He
Speaker 1: picked up a gold pass which was again valued at
Speaker 1: ten thousand dollars. It includes a fifty three hundred dollars
Speaker 1: buy in to the napt Las Vegas Main Event, up
Speaker 1: to seven nights of a hotel accommodations at Resorts World,
Speaker 1: and then eighteen hundred dollars in expense money. So Collopy
Speaker 1: was able to pick that up in addition to the
Speaker 1: Purple Jacket and the twenty five KPGT passport bonus. November
Speaker 1: one through tenth at Resorts World is when napt Las
Speaker 1: Vegas returns. I'm a fan of the time slot much
Speaker 1: earlier than f one, which the construction has started. It's
Speaker 1: a bit of a mess out there. It's a bit
Speaker 1: of a mess out there on this Vegas strip. This
Speaker 1: year's buying for the napt Las Vegas Main Event fifty
Speaker 1: three hundred dollars. Last year, Remember Tim and I had
Speaker 1: a lot of thoughts on this. Sixteen hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: was the buy I had a one point five million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee, so big increase very much in line with
Speaker 1: with two things. One, it's in line with what the
Speaker 1: old NAPT used to do, you know, before it went
Speaker 1: away for several years. And it's also in line with
Speaker 1: the EPT you know, fifty three hundred dollars like that's
Speaker 1: right in line. The guarantee doubled from fifteen hundred up
Speaker 1: to three million dollars. What are your thoughts on the
Speaker 1: buying going up and the guarantee now being three mil.
Speaker 3: I think that you know, you're the biggest advocate for
Speaker 3: the five K buying price point, and I think there's.
Speaker 1: Just a void. There's a void there in the US market.
Speaker 1: I will I will die on this hill, even though
Speaker 1: many people disagree with me. Some people say, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty five hundred dollars is the correct price point? Whatever,
Speaker 1: I think the five K there is a market for this,
Speaker 1: and maybe the PGT should be involved.
Speaker 3: But this is definitely a market because you've got people
Speaker 3: that play you know, fifteen hundreds, et cetera, that can
Speaker 3: take that would take a shot, you know, the three K.
Speaker 3: There's not much difference for people that play the highest
Speaker 3: off the ten k's five K is I step down,
Speaker 3: but there's bigger fields bigger value there, so I think
Speaker 3: it is a good price point. It's perfect for this event.
Speaker 3: Three million seems about right. Obviously, this is their first
Speaker 3: shot out of five k, so we'll see where the
Speaker 3: guarantee falls in line with how many players show up.
Speaker 1: Well they are. They are awarding I think upwards of
Speaker 1: one hundred gold passes, so you'll get one hundred quote
Speaker 1: unquote qualifiers via the gold passes to get into this event,
Speaker 1: so you'll you'll have that to banker.
Speaker 3: They need what six hundred ish entrance or another five
Speaker 3: hundred outside of the goal pass winners. I think it's
Speaker 3: a great price point. I will not be part taking.
Speaker 3: It's a little out of my budget, but for the
Speaker 3: I will be.
Speaker 1: They got my money, and I'm far from you. I
Speaker 1: will be on poker steak dot com.
Speaker 2: Let me rephrase this, which I'm pretty.
Speaker 1: I actually listed the events last night, so they are
Speaker 1: which you can also do, sir, And you could play
Speaker 1: for ten percent of yourself in.
Speaker 3: The play and that's why you'll find me in tonight.
Speaker 3: It's two hundred dollars south point. Notly, you're just a
Speaker 3: much better poker player than me, and I have I
Speaker 3: have finally realized that my my max is like one K.
Speaker 3: Unless it's like the WSP main event. I'm just gonna
Speaker 3: play within my bubble. I don't want to try and
Speaker 3: get better. I just want to play. I just want
Speaker 3: to enjoy myself.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Like, I'm not going to out
Speaker 1: go out there and fire every single five K under
Speaker 1: the sun. I'm not there yet and I'm not comfortable
Speaker 1: in doing that. I'm not confident in my own play
Speaker 1: doing that yet. But there are exceptions to the rule,
Speaker 1: Like I think this event will draw a very good field,
Speaker 1: a very valuable field that I'm willing to take a
Speaker 1: shot here, right like when when you have a five
Speaker 1: K with a three million dollar guarantee. It's in Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: it's got Poker Stars in the napt branding, it obviously
Speaker 1: has as a qualifier funnel both through satellites on the
Speaker 1: Poker Stars platforms that are available most notably Michigan, New
Speaker 1: Jersey and Pennsylvania, and then also the gold Pass element
Speaker 1: to things, you know, Like, I think there's gonna be
Speaker 1: enough value there that I can take a shot in
Speaker 1: this field, you know, So just like just like I'll
Speaker 1: take a shot in the WSP main event, just like
Speaker 1: I'll take a shot in, you know, the WPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: Like these would be my three biggest buy ins of
Speaker 1: the year. I just I think that they're they're good value,
Speaker 1: you know, out of those, Out of these three, the
Speaker 1: toughest I would say is probably the WPT World Championship,
Speaker 1: then the NAPT Las Vegas main event, then the WSFP
Speaker 1: Maine event.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: But for people like maybe you or others out there,
Speaker 1: there are a bunch of other events. There's a five
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars Mystery Bounty, it has a three hundred
Speaker 1: K guarantee. There's a five hundred and fifty dollars NAPT
Speaker 1: Cup also has a three hundred K guarantee. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: an eleven hundred dollars run good Open, four hundred K
Speaker 1: guarantee in that one. So you know, there are a
Speaker 1: bunch of options. I know, there's I think there's a
Speaker 1: five hundred fifty dollars maybe it's five hundred, I don't
Speaker 1: know the price point exactly, but Heroes event. There's also
Speaker 1: a five to fifty eight game event, right, So, like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff on the schedule. There's a
Speaker 1: I think there's a two hundred and fifty dollars event
Speaker 1: three sixty maybe on there. So there's there's stuff for everyone.
Speaker 1: On the higher end of things, the twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Super high Roller and the ten thousand, three hundred
Speaker 1: dollars high Roller are both now again in partnership with
Speaker 1: Poker gro and the Poker Stars n APT Those two
Speaker 1: events are PGT qualifying events, so you know, likely going
Speaker 1: to get plenty of our players firing. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: likely going to fire into the fifty three hundred dollars anyway,
Speaker 1: you know. So now maybe they take that shot in
Speaker 1: these two events as well. You know, somebody like a
Speaker 1: like a Jeremy Becker for example, who now you know,
Speaker 1: popped his cherry playing his first ever twenty five K.
Speaker 1: Maybe we see him play this twenty five K as well,
Speaker 1: you know, stuff like that, Especially somebody like a Jeremy Becker,
Speaker 1: where you know, as Tim and I just talked about,
Speaker 1: is right outside the top forty looking in, so if
Speaker 1: he can get points, it benefits him. So you know,
Speaker 1: with these players, you know, making the push to make
Speaker 1: that top forty and make the million dollar championship at
Speaker 1: the end of the PGT season. They volume helps, so
Speaker 1: I would think that you're going to get a lot
Speaker 1: of these people that do get into the ten thousand,
Speaker 1: three hund dollars high Roller and the twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Super high Roller. So those are on the schedule
Speaker 1: for NAPT Las Vegas. I think they have I think
Speaker 1: if you include the qualifiers that they have to the
Speaker 1: various tournaments, there's like thirty six events, which is more
Speaker 1: than they had last year. So I'm very much looking
Speaker 1: forward to this series. I can't wait. I heard it's
Speaker 1: in a new ballroom.
Speaker 2: By the way, as in upstairs.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, yeah, yeah, I just think it's in a
Speaker 1: different ballroom. That's what I heard. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know even if it's in the same ballom, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: That place was awesome, you know. I'm just I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that that, like even that it's not like they're
Speaker 1: they're upgrading. So so yeah, so it sounds like you
Speaker 1: and I will both be there playing in some capacity.
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I think it's gonna be fun. I
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be a good, a really good series.
Speaker 1: So that's a NAPT Las Vegas November first through tenth
Speaker 1: at Resorts World, just down the street from where we
Speaker 1: normally are at the Poker Growth Studio. PokerStars Live dot
Speaker 1: com slash NAPT slash Las Vegas, if you guys want
Speaker 1: to check out the schedule, and then also you need
Speaker 1: to remind everyone who's in Michigan, New Jersey and Pennsylvania
Speaker 1: to keep your eyes posted to the Poker Stars lobby
Speaker 1: for qualifiers, for opportunities to win NAPT gold passes and
Speaker 1: all of that good stuff. Keeping it in the same
Speaker 1: vein with Poker Stars. Gonna head over the pond to
Speaker 1: recap EPT Barcelona, which the main event was another freaking banger.
Speaker 1: Barcelona just crushes every single year. Stevensong one of our
Speaker 1: goats one the EPT Barcelona main event for one million
Speaker 1: at two hundred and ninety thousand euros which is one
Speaker 1: million fourn twenty five thousand dollars. He chopped it heads
Speaker 1: up with Andrew Hume I believe is the player's name.
Speaker 1: They chopped it heads up. A song ended up coming
Speaker 1: out on top nineteen hundred and seventy five entries in
Speaker 1: this main event five k euro price points. They had
Speaker 1: massive field in the estrellas like championship event that they
Speaker 1: do there, all the high rollers show out well. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just Barcelona. This Barcelona stop is one of the best.
Speaker 1: If you, you know, are forwarded the opportunity to be
Speaker 1: able to go there, I would highly encourage you to
Speaker 1: do so. It's in a great location, great time of year,
Speaker 1: the casinos one hundred feet from the beach. The fields
Speaker 1: are tremendous value. You know, it always does extremely well
Speaker 1: in terms of drawing like more recreational players. Doesn't matter
Speaker 1: to the buy in. It could be a five point
Speaker 1: fifty euro it could be the hunter k doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: You're going to get a lot of recks in there
Speaker 1: that are blasting away, so tremendous value overall. Stephen Song
Speaker 1: is what the greatest big field MTT player ever, not
Speaker 1: one of I mean just some highlights from from Song's
Speaker 1: career and I guess you know right before EBT Barcelona
Speaker 1: has a super deep run on the wu Maniement this year,
Speaker 1: you know, speaking of big field MTTs twenty nineteen at
Speaker 1: EPT Barcelona coincidentally a twenty two hundred euro Nolan at
Speaker 1: hold Them he won it topped five hundred ninety nine
Speaker 1: entries there one hundred and eighty five thousand euro or
Speaker 1: two hundred and five thousand dollars same year, twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: first place out of twenty four hundred and seventy seven
Speaker 1: entries in a WSP. I believe this was a one
Speaker 1: K event, three hundred and forty one thousand dollars for Song.
Speaker 1: Twenty two w twenty twenty two WSP five thousand dollars
Speaker 1: six max. At the WSP nine hundred and twenty entries,
Speaker 1: Song got second for four hundred and seventy six thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: The WPT Prime Championship in twenty twenty two, five thy
Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty entries, Song won it all for
Speaker 1: seven hundred and twelve thousand dollars, and then twenty twenty
Speaker 1: three the WSB Circuit event in Chicago, seventeen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: main event, Song first out of six hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: two entries for one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Song is an absolute crusher. There is a reason why
Speaker 1: Matt Clark and I draft him in twenty five K
Speaker 1: Fantasy and hopefully we get the opportunity to do it again.
Speaker 1: Although people might becoming wise to mister song the field
Speaker 1: bonus king our goat. As I mentioned, the guy is
Speaker 1: just a freaking crusher. If he's able to get a
Speaker 1: hold of chips in a big field tournament. I mean
Speaker 1: it's like good luck to the rest of the field, really, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, how does he rank to you in
Speaker 1: terms of a big field MTT crusher?
Speaker 3: I mean these results just speak for themselves, right, He's
Speaker 3: an absolute base. Who can we talk about that currently
Speaker 3: plays such high volume, that does this Like he used
Speaker 3: to be dominating the sky, but he doesn't play that
Speaker 3: much anymore. So, I mean he may have Stevensung may
Speaker 3: have the hand on the crown right now, maybe just
Speaker 3: about to put it on.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who else.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Adrian Matteos, but he's kind of
Speaker 3: pushed to hy rollers now, so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean somebody that sticks out is Joe McKeon,
Speaker 1: has has crushed in big fields over the years, obviously
Speaker 1: be main event winner and has crushed a bunch of
Speaker 1: other stuff. Darren Elias just with all the WPT toils.
Speaker 1: The wpts are big fields, right, I mean Darren won
Speaker 1: some small wpts as well. He won one in the
Speaker 1: Caribbean that was really small, and he won one at
Speaker 1: Aria that was on the smaller side. But he's also
Speaker 1: crushed in big fields plenty of times. More recently, probably
Speaker 1: Andrew Moreno comes to mind. You know, he had obviously
Speaker 1: the huge breakout victory for him when he won the
Speaker 1: WPT or sorry it wasn't a WPT, he won the
Speaker 1: win millions, and then you know, he just continues to
Speaker 1: crush in really anything that has a massive field. So
Speaker 1: there's him, Brian Altman like always seems to does it.
Speaker 1: I feel like anytime there's a WPT here, there's a
Speaker 1: big event at Seminole or whatever it is, you know,
Speaker 1: Brian even w CB circuit stuff like Brian Altman is
Speaker 1: in the mix, you know. So so yeah, you know
Speaker 1: there's there's all those guys. But I I still think
Speaker 1: like out of all those people that we mentioned, I mean,
Speaker 1: songs on top, I'd probably have to dive in a
Speaker 1: little bit further and like really break it down, but
Speaker 1: I mean song seems like the guy right, And it's
Speaker 1: just it's incredible to with how much variance there is
Speaker 1: in poker tournaments. And then you add in the fact
Speaker 1: that when you get to hundreds, if not thousands of
Speaker 1: players in the field, like the variance that is then added,
Speaker 1: like it's just wild that he's able to continue to
Speaker 1: crush at such a high level. And it it it
Speaker 1: sounds like like from what I saw that he'll be
Speaker 1: at n APT Las Vegas. He listed i think on
Speaker 1: poker Steake the twenty five k super high Roller and
Speaker 1: the ten K high Roller and then he's probably just
Speaker 1: gonna play the five k on his own of course,
Speaker 1: so he'll be there for that and maybe we see
Speaker 1: you know, some more PGT related stuff even time you
Speaker 1: tell me you're the commissioner. I mean, he had the
Speaker 1: deep run in the main event, right.
Speaker 3: Just lost series, So yeah, he's that's pretty far out,
Speaker 3: but I mean just takes a couple of results, you
Speaker 3: back in contention, you know, well we're we're one hundred
Speaker 3: and sixty seventh, but he's like four hundred points out
Speaker 3: of like being in that that qualifying tier of forty
Speaker 3: eligible players.
Speaker 1: So so I mean it could if he's if he's
Speaker 1: able to put up some results at this at n
Speaker 1: APT Las Vegas, if he's playing the twenty five k
Speaker 1: in the ten k, like if he can find you know,
Speaker 1: a decent cash in one, if not both of those events,
Speaker 1: like that'll be a nice little boost and then you
Speaker 1: go from there, right, So what else we got? Oh
Speaker 1: abt Barcelona game integrity rule changes. So heading into the series,
Speaker 1: I know Kenny Hollard who has worked with Poker Stars before.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he still like officially works with them,
Speaker 1: but anyway, he put on Twitter slash acts no use
Speaker 1: of gto solver slash charts are similar anywhere in the
Speaker 1: whole tournament area at any time, also not for spectators.
Speaker 1: And then from the Poker Stars tournament rules it says
Speaker 1: players are not permitted to use at the table or
Speaker 1: anywhere in the tournament room area at any time. Game
Speaker 1: theory optimal in then parenthese's gto solver software GTO charts,
Speaker 1: whether used on electronic devices or otherwise, or any AI
Speaker 1: tool or similar algorithmic software that is capable of affording
Speaker 1: the user a competitive advantage in the tournament. That is
Speaker 1: an absolute mouthful of a sentence and needs like seventeen
Speaker 1: commas and they're not there. We also don't allow any
Speaker 1: spectator to make any use of electronic devices with solvers
Speaker 1: inside the poker tournament area. So it seems like the
Speaker 1: Poker Stars and more specifically the EPT is the first
Speaker 1: to like really take a crack at this in terms
Speaker 1: of like putting it on their books. I mean, I
Speaker 1: still have questions. I would I you know, my first
Speaker 1: question would be like, well, what's the penalty, right? I mean,
Speaker 1: is it is it one hand? Is it are you?
Speaker 1: Are you warned first? Is it a hand? Is it
Speaker 1: a full round? Are you kicked out of the tournament?
Speaker 1: I mean I don't, I don't know, so I guess
Speaker 1: TBD on that and unless there was stuff that I
Speaker 1: just haven't seen yet. So there's that. And then I
Speaker 1: just I wonder about the language that just says when
Speaker 1: it says tournament area. And I always cite the win
Speaker 1: with this because I play there a lot and I
Speaker 1: know the situation as the floor is laid out, the
Speaker 1: tournament floor, which is now right outside the poker room,
Speaker 1: like it's on the carpet, which gaming floors are on
Speaker 1: the carpet, like literally five feet from the edge of
Speaker 1: the tables, there's tile and that's a walkway, and like
Speaker 1: you know, they always say that like on the tiles
Speaker 1: that's where like the kids can walk. But on the carpet.
Speaker 1: The kids can't go on the carpet, right, So it's like,
Speaker 1: is so is in like that case, is it that
Speaker 1: close that I can just walk three feet one direction
Speaker 1: and be quote unquote outside of the tournament area? So
Speaker 1: I'm I don't know. Or is it like when you
Speaker 1: walk into the casino you can't be on your phone?
Speaker 1: Like I mean, you know, it's like I have I
Speaker 1: have questions there? So yeah, I mean, how what do
Speaker 1: you think you're you're a little bit more I guess
Speaker 1: in these streets, you know, you deal with all the
Speaker 1: PGT stuff and whatnot. You talk to the players a
Speaker 1: bit more. So what are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: I feel like the way it's written is a little vague.
Speaker 3: You mentioned what is the tournament area? Is that technically
Speaker 3: could be the entire casino, could be the car park, right,
Speaker 3: you need to find that a little better. What is
Speaker 3: game theory? Optimal solver software? I might argue that I
Speaker 3: learn a lot on Instagram. So if I feel like
Speaker 3: Instagram is has gto stuff. If I'm following gto Wizard
Speaker 3: on Instagram and they're putting out pictures with chart examples,
Speaker 3: you know, then if I is that GTO solver software.
Speaker 3: It's just really open to interpretation. The biggest issue I
Speaker 3: have with all of these things is always how do
Speaker 3: you police it? You know, are you hiring people, are
Speaker 3: you expecting the dealers, are you expecting the floors. If
Speaker 3: I'm sitting next to you and you're on GTO with It,
Speaker 3: I'm going to call you out right, But habit, if
Speaker 3: you're on you're checking your budget your family budget on
Speaker 3: Google ducs, or you're checking your GTO charts on Google ducks,
Speaker 3: am I just going to call the floor over like hey,
Speaker 3: for he's cheating? You know, Like it just it opens
Speaker 3: up so many issues, and like, yeah, if it could
Speaker 3: work perfectly, if there was if it was able to
Speaker 3: be easily policed, I'd be all for it. But personally, like,
Speaker 3: if this comes up on the PGT and you know what,
Speaker 3: it hasn't because we still see people looking at the stuff.
Speaker 3: And I have no issues with people using you know,
Speaker 3: any solvers, any anything to help them get better, because
Speaker 3: I think it's a fair plan and even playing field.
Speaker 3: Everyone can sign up to OCTUPI, they can sign up
Speaker 3: to GTO with It, they can sign up to Pilo Mastermind.
Speaker 3: You know, everyone has the equal chance to do this.
Speaker 3: I would just say the easiest rule is, you know,
Speaker 3: no phone usage while you have a lie while you're
Speaker 3: in a hand like a live hand. And that even
Speaker 3: needs to finding because you know when the cards are
Speaker 3: getting dealt out technically your hands live, but you might
Speaker 3: be sending a text message or checking something. I think
Speaker 3: that's fine. It's when you're committing chips to a part
Speaker 3: when you're playing a hand, you shouldn't be able to
Speaker 3: look at your phone. In case this chart, that's an
Speaker 3: easy way to police it. I don't think you need
Speaker 3: to get up. I think you can sitting your seat
Speaker 3: and look at gto Wizard as long as you're out
Speaker 3: of a hand. So that's how I would enforce it.
Speaker 3: On the PGT. We haven't really had anything come up recently,
Speaker 3: but that's how that's my approach to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just it's gonna be
Speaker 1: something that needs to be continually ironed out, you know,
Speaker 1: and like the rules are going to need to be
Speaker 1: molded however people want to mold those going forward. I
Speaker 1: did just want to bring this up as it relates
Speaker 1: to you know, Poker Stars and the EPT because it
Speaker 1: does seem like they're the first to kind of take
Speaker 1: a crack at some new verbiage in terms of this rule.
Speaker 1: I mean, the EPT is I think, always at the
Speaker 1: forefront of everything in many cases, and sometimes it works,
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. And I only say that because you know,
Speaker 1: for example, was it first card off the deck? Seemed
Speaker 1: like a total disaster back in the day. But you know,
Speaker 1: like there's stuff like that. But you know, if they
Speaker 1: feel like it's in the in the the benefit of
Speaker 1: the game and the players, then then I think they're
Speaker 1: going to try it, and we can sit here on
Speaker 1: the sidelines and see how it works out. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't I agree with you that I don't think
Speaker 1: it's an issue in our PGT events, But that's also
Speaker 1: not to say that it might not become an issue
Speaker 1: at some point. So you know, worth worth monitoring, worth
Speaker 1: you know, staying up to date. But but yeah, well
Speaker 1: we'll see how this this plays out, and we'll see
Speaker 1: if you know, other big tour operators World Poker Tour,
Speaker 1: wsp et cetera, adopt you know, similar stances, similar language
Speaker 1: as we see on on the EPT with this sort
Speaker 1: of stuff, maybe you know it's going to take a
Speaker 1: few iterations of the language of the ruling from the
Speaker 1: EPT to kind of get their their final you know,
Speaker 1: hardened stance on where everything is, and we'll see how
Speaker 1: that goes. Obviously, this is going to be a talking
Speaker 1: point heading into next summer, next World Series of Poker,
Speaker 1: because this all blew up as a result of the
Speaker 1: World Series of Boger. I guess if you're the WSOP specifically,
Speaker 1: and your officials there, like the the one kind of
Speaker 1: saving grace that you have is that it happened right
Speaker 1: at the end of your series and you didn't have
Speaker 1: to deal with it, like in the moment. You can
Speaker 1: take a breath, sit back and see how things play out,
Speaker 1: have longer conversations, be an observer of what places like
Speaker 1: the EPTR are doing with these rule changes, and then
Speaker 1: craft your messaging your rulings entering next summer so that
Speaker 1: benefits them. They can they can just chill out and
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, let's see how this works out. Let's
Speaker 1: see how that works out. Let's talk to the operators,
Speaker 1: get some thoughts and opinions, and then and then we'll
Speaker 1: talk about things. But because this was such a big
Speaker 1: deal coming out of the main event, thewas Man event
Speaker 1: this year. Then I think, you know, coming into next summer,
Speaker 1: while it's it's it's died down on the w SP
Speaker 1: front right now, it's going to rear its head once again.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to bring
Speaker 1: it up, like, oh hey, how about the rules? Is
Speaker 1: this going to be addressed? You know, we're a week
Speaker 1: out from the WSP. Is this what's the rule here?
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that all goes. So part of
Speaker 1: this is just stay tuned and we'll talk about it
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Speaker 1: announces dates. But I thought they already announced dates, So
Speaker 1: so the WPT on September sixteenth, So a couple of
Speaker 1: days ago announced the specific dates for the four big
Speaker 1: events at the WPT World Championship. They announced that the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship, that is the ten four an event,
Speaker 1: will take place December fourteenth through twenty first, the WPT
Speaker 1: Prime Championship December eighth through fourteenth, the Ladies Championship December
Speaker 1: fourteenth through fifteenth, and then the Seniors Championship will take
Speaker 1: place December eighteenth through nineteenth. Back on April fourth, several
Speaker 1: months ago, they announced that the WPT World Championship would
Speaker 1: take over Las Vegas at WIN Las Vegas from December
Speaker 1: third through twenty third, so December third through twenty third
Speaker 1: of the overall series dates and then I just outlined
Speaker 1: the specific dates for those four tournaments. They also included
Speaker 1: in the messaging that the full schedule will be announced
Speaker 1: in one week, so next to Monday or Tuesday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're getting the full schedule. Obviously. The big thought here
Speaker 1: is that or is how does this align with Dobasipy
Speaker 1: Paradise Wasipy Paradise If everyone remembers December sixth through nineteenth,
Speaker 1: the two biggest events as it would pertain to conflict
Speaker 1: with the WPT World Championship are the twenty five thousand
Speaker 1: dollars Super Main Event and the ten thousand dollars GG
Speaker 1: Millions Championship. The Super Main Event that is, of course,
Speaker 1: the event that has the fifty million dollars guaranteed prize pool,
Speaker 1: that takes place December twelfth through nineteenth. If you look
Speaker 1: on WSP dot com, you can see that that has
Speaker 1: four starting flights across December twelfth through fifteenth. And then
Speaker 1: you have the ten thousand dollars GG Millions Championship that
Speaker 1: has a five million dollar guarantee and that takes place
Speaker 1: December sixteenth through nineteenth, and there are four flights across
Speaker 1: December sixteenth through eighteenth, so a little bit of overlap there.
Speaker 1: It does look to me that the WBT did time
Speaker 1: it where you could play the Super main Event and
Speaker 1: if you bomb out on all the starting flights, or
Speaker 1: maybe even if you bust out on day two, you
Speaker 1: can still hop on a plan and get back. But
Speaker 1: we don't know the like if they're doing two flights,
Speaker 1: three flights, four flights, whatever they're doing for the WPT
Speaker 1: World Championship. So it does look like, you know, the
Speaker 1: WPT is kind of aligning there. So we'll see. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 3: Kind of initially, obviously we don't know what the guarantee
Speaker 3: of the World Championship main event is, right.
Speaker 2: WPT could it be?
Speaker 1: And I'll get that next.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna I'm gonna bet a lot of money
Speaker 3: that it's more than the five million of the ten
Speaker 3: KGG millions Championship. So if you're a poker player, would
Speaker 3: you rather play a five million dollar guarantee of enn
Speaker 3: for ten k or a potentially forty million dollar event
Speaker 3: for ten k? I'm probably gonna go with the forty million.
Speaker 3: I'm now looking at this and like analyzing the dates.
Speaker 3: I am so much more bullish on the WBT World
Speaker 3: Championship than I was originally. I don't think this ten
Speaker 3: kgg millions is anathy. The only reason you would play
Speaker 3: that is if you were not coming to Vegas at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it could be a question of where
Speaker 1: do you think the value is? Right?
Speaker 2: So the value is the win?
Speaker 1: See, I don't know. And I say that because listen,
Speaker 1: I recall last year and the year before I play
Speaker 1: at the win. Almost every time they have a series,
Speaker 1: I play with them in a lot. They were constantly
Speaker 1: pumping WPT World Championship satellites. Last year you saw a
Speaker 1: crap ton of whether it was Andrew Nimi, brad Owen, Rampage, whoever,
Speaker 1: playing on WPT Global. I mean that they had Jeff
Speaker 1: Platt playing on WPT global, like you know, playing these
Speaker 1: qualifier events. I don't know if I'm just missing the
Speaker 1: marketing on that, but I just I don't feel like
Speaker 1: I see it.
Speaker 3: This difference is you're switched on and aware of these things.
Speaker 3: Are we really sure ninety percent of the poker players
Speaker 3: are also noticing these things?
Speaker 2: Because I'm going to say, no, they're not noticing that stuff.
Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, but I I think like I
Speaker 1: think a poker player would would know like the big
Speaker 1: hitting topics like oh, they're going to qualify five hundred players.
Speaker 1: But if you don't see that anymore, then how do
Speaker 1: you know whereas WSP is pushing, they're who plays. I
Speaker 1: don't know, man, Talking to these guys, I think I
Speaker 1: think they're fairly into it. I mean, I know they
Speaker 1: blank on a lot of stuff, but I think this
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, you know, I think there are right,
Speaker 1: So I think there's gonna be I think there might
Speaker 1: be more value in that in that ten K plus. Listen,
Speaker 1: you're already there, you know, you probably already send some
Speaker 1: sort of package or whatever to get into the room.
Speaker 1: You know, the discounts that you can get into. They
Speaker 1: also have this million dollar invitational, the Super Savior, a
Speaker 1: million dollar free roll thing that takes place on December eighteenth.
Speaker 2: So let this one.
Speaker 1: There's things that keep you there in the Bahamas, So
Speaker 1: you know, I just find it interesting also, like I
Speaker 1: think part of it might be wait and see. And
Speaker 1: what I mean by that is like you might go
Speaker 1: to the Bahamas with the plan to leave on December
Speaker 1: fifteenth or sixteenth, and say, now, let's just change my
Speaker 1: flight because the field's down here incredible, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, so we'll see. I mean a lot of
Speaker 1: it's going to depend on probably how many package winners.
Speaker 1: GG Poker says that they're sending to this sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think it's interesting how it
Speaker 1: all lines up. What I will say is that now
Speaker 1: we don't have the guarantee for the WPT yet. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was fifteen million dollars in twenty twenty two. They
Speaker 1: got like twenty eight million in it. Then they went
Speaker 1: to forty million and they missed. They got like thirty
Speaker 1: eight million, right, they missed by two or two and
Speaker 1: a half million or whatever. Last year, the WPT World
Speaker 1: Championship ran December twelfth through twenty first, which was ten days.
Speaker 1: This year December fourteenth through twenty first is only eight days.
Speaker 1: So they had four starting flights last year. Are they
Speaker 1: going to have fewer starting flights this year to fit
Speaker 1: into the eight day window versus the ten day window?
Speaker 1: Are they gonna chop off a day from the back end?
Speaker 1: You know last year they had two, three, four, five, six,
Speaker 1: then the final table. Do you just like take out
Speaker 1: day six for example, but then you still need to
Speaker 1: take out one more day somewhere. So also, you know,
Speaker 1: the structure for the wt World Championship has been sixty
Speaker 1: minute levels on day one, ninety minute levels on day two. Personally,
Speaker 1: I felt like the structure is a little too good.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm crazy for saying that as a player, but
Speaker 1: I feel like you could get away with sixties on
Speaker 1: day one and day two, maybe seventy fives on the
Speaker 1: day two. So you know, my question is knowing that
Speaker 1: they've allotted two fewer days to this year's event versus
Speaker 1: last year, Like what is where is the change going
Speaker 1: to come from? And then also I feel like if
Speaker 1: you come in with two fewer days for the event,
Speaker 1: there's no way you're going to come anywhere near the
Speaker 1: guarantee that you did last year. So while you're bullish,
Speaker 1: I'm bearish on the guarantee aspect.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, theologic makes makes sense. Yeah, we we
Speaker 3: don't know how they're changing, you know, maybe they're doing yeah,
Speaker 3: less starting flights, but.
Speaker 1: They had they had three starting flights the first year,
Speaker 1: and then last year they had.
Speaker 3: Four starting Maybe they go back to three, but they
Speaker 3: play a little later, you know, they play a little
Speaker 3: deepest so people can bus.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's three with unlimited reentry, because I think
Speaker 1: it was one.
Speaker 2: Remember they add that. Maybe they add day two registration,
Speaker 2: you don't know.
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was freeze out per flight. I can't remember.
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't unlimited entry, so oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure it wasn't unlimited entry. And I want
Speaker 1: to even say it was freeze out per flight.
Speaker 3: You could anat I mean, chopping at day six off
Speaker 3: somewhere is very easy, Like you's got to change the
Speaker 3: level here or there, or keep them at sixty minute levels,
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So yeah, we really have to wait
Speaker 3: to see how it. You know, I just hope they
Speaker 3: don't drop the guarantee, keep it the same.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I just don't see how there's any
Speaker 1: way that they dropped the guarante. They don't drop the guarantee.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know has there been any We
Speaker 3: would have to go through the last twenty years of
Speaker 3: WPT history, but has there any been any times where
Speaker 3: they've done something like this where they've had a big
Speaker 3: guarantee and dropped it, Like you know, seminoles seems to
Speaker 3: be the main place for guarantees on the WPT, But
Speaker 3: have they ever gone back?
Speaker 2: Is it precedent?
Speaker 1: No, not that I can think of. But you know,
Speaker 1: is there precedent for going from fifteen million to forty
Speaker 1: You don't know. So it's like that, and it's in
Speaker 1: the in and of itself is a massive outlier, like
Speaker 1: you would you would never jump to that, So it's
Speaker 1: almost like you could probably just phrase it if you
Speaker 1: pull back, which I am anticipate that they are. You know, listen,
Speaker 1: we tried, we missed, We understand the climate, not a
Speaker 1: big deal. But if we roll out twenty five million,
Speaker 1: that's still huge. Like it's not you know, like that's
Speaker 1: I think you just kind of have to take it
Speaker 1: on the chin and own it, as opposed to if
Speaker 1: you're if you try and hide it or deflect, I
Speaker 1: think it just ends up looking worse for you versus
Speaker 1: if you know, you just say, yeah, we tried to
Speaker 1: go to forty, we missed, we understand the climate in
Speaker 1: that timeframe, and you know we're going to go this
Speaker 1: direction because we think that that's beneficial. And I think
Speaker 1: you can then shift the messaging too. You know, at
Speaker 1: the WPT we always put the players first, and they've
Speaker 1: always said that the players are first. So once you like,
Speaker 1: in a way admit defeat on the guarantee battle in December,
Speaker 1: then you just shift it back to the player experience stuff, right,
Speaker 1: And I think that's how you can how you can
Speaker 1: ultimately win as best as you're going to win, if
Speaker 1: not win overall. So that's what I would do. That's
Speaker 1: the messaging that I would I would put forth. But
Speaker 1: I don't think if you like try and hide that,
Speaker 1: you're pulling back. It's it's gonna work. And I don't
Speaker 1: think that if you come out with forty again, it's
Speaker 1: gonna work. I mean, unless they have some crazy way
Speaker 1: to do it. But you know, I just I just
Speaker 1: couple the fact that I see two less days being
Speaker 1: announced for it. I haven't seen as many qualifiers being
Speaker 1: pushed for this sort of stuff. So I'm just I'm
Speaker 1: curious for what's happening, you know. So, and I think
Speaker 1: I think whin Las Vegas recently they dropped their Fall
Speaker 1: Classic schedule, which takes place in October October fourth through
Speaker 1: twenty eighth, and there's there's a satellite on the schedule,
Speaker 1: satellite to the WPT World Championship. Three seats, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I feel like these were just like there was
Speaker 1: multiple five seat guarantees or there was a three and
Speaker 1: then a five, like on all of their stuff, and
Speaker 1: now it's just again, it just doesn't feel like they're
Speaker 1: pushing it enough, which which isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Speaker 1: It just tells me that that there's not the motivation
Speaker 1: to push it because the guarantee ultimately won't.
Speaker 2: Be that big.
Speaker 1: Like if you know you have a forty million dollar
Speaker 1: guarantee that you got to hit that you missed the
Speaker 1: last year. You got to be throwing out satellites, you know, left,
Speaker 1: right and center. So that's where I'm at with that.
Speaker 1: So I think that, you know, it seems like we're
Speaker 1: close in terms of the WPT guarantee being announced. I
Speaker 1: will say this, they're doing a damn good job of
Speaker 1: making sure that we talk about it over and over again.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The more they the more they hold out, you know,
Speaker 1: the more they just put the breadcrumbs out there, the
Speaker 1: more we continue to be like, where is this, Let's
Speaker 1: talk about it some more, you know. So so I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, kudos to them. I don't know if they
Speaker 1: do that on purpose or if that just happened to
Speaker 1: be a byproduct of it all. But it's working, okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's working. And then just quickly on, So the
Speaker 1: WPT Prime Championship same days, even days last year versus
Speaker 1: seven days this year. Last year was the seventh through
Speaker 1: the twelfth. This year is the eighth through the fourteenth.
Speaker 1: So there's that, or sorry, last year was the seventh
Speaker 1: through the twelfth. Then they delayed the final table to
Speaker 1: the nineteenth, so so that'll be the same. And then
Speaker 1: I also thought it was interesting that that last year
Speaker 1: the Ladies Championship was three days and this year they
Speaker 1: only have two days, So are they, you know, anticipating
Speaker 1: a smaller turnout for that event as well. Last year
Speaker 1: was December sixth through eighth. This year is December fourteenth
Speaker 1: through fifteenth, is what they're listing. So so yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: see how that all goes. But that could also be
Speaker 1: maybe they do like a December fourteenth and fifteenth and
Speaker 1: delay the final table. But I mean, but wouldn't you
Speaker 1: put that on the schedule, Yes, you know, to let
Speaker 1: people know that if you come out and play this
Speaker 1: in final table, you might have to wait a week.
Speaker 1: I think they should go nuts with this opener. If
Speaker 1: they bring it back, the six hundred dollar opener, I
Speaker 1: think it should be like a two and a half
Speaker 1: or a three million dollar guarantee. I think they should
Speaker 1: go nuts with the Prime Championship. That one K you know,
Speaker 1: it got more than ten thousand entries last year it
Speaker 1: was a five million dollars guarantee. Obviously blew that out
Speaker 1: of the water. I think they should just come with
Speaker 1: a ten million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 2: There, WHOA, that's big.
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I would attack this. I would say, okay,
Speaker 1: because if you if you look at the WSFP Paradise
Speaker 1: schedule and we've gone over this, the buy ins are massive. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the lowest buyan is twenty five hundred dollars the lowest
Speaker 1: buying like it's not like you know, and but that's
Speaker 1: understandable because are you really going to travel to the
Speaker 1: Bahamas to Atlantis, where we know it can be pricey,
Speaker 1: and then just play a bunch of five hundreds? No,
Speaker 1: I mean you're you're gonna play big stuff. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: so like you're gonna go down there, You're gonna play
Speaker 1: a twenty five k, a ten kf five K, one
Speaker 1: hundred k, fifty k, like all that sort of stuff. Now,
Speaker 1: if you're WBT in the win, go the other way,
Speaker 1: you know z when these people are zigging like you know,
Speaker 1: so then you can you go nuts with like the
Speaker 1: the one K Prime Championship, which aligns with everything that
Speaker 1: I've seen from the World Poker Tour in the last
Speaker 1: year a year and a half. Everything's been prime prime prime,
Speaker 1: and it's been like less main tour, So push that.
Speaker 1: So I would come out swinging with the six hundred
Speaker 1: dollars one at the start last year was six dollars
Speaker 1: one million dollar guarantee. I think they could easily do
Speaker 1: six hundred two and a half or six hundred three
Speaker 1: million easy. I think that's easy. And then I would
Speaker 1: double the one k, make it a ten million dollar guarantee,
Speaker 1: and I would swing for the fences there, which which
Speaker 1: also takes less pressure off you pulling back on the
Speaker 1: guarantee for the World Championship event, because if you say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're pulling back here, but we're amplifying this stuff over there.
Speaker 1: Because they already know the big players, they should have
Speaker 1: a good idea that the big players are probably going
Speaker 1: to go to the Bahama, But how do you get
Speaker 1: the people that aren't going to the bombs? You have
Speaker 1: a one K ten million dollar guarantee, that's what you do, Yeah,
Speaker 1: or make it a one K fifteen million dollar guarantee
Speaker 1: of your funeral? All right, seven man, they didn't settle
Speaker 1: on last year. I would tell you that you have
Speaker 1: a better chance of hitting a one K fifteen million
Speaker 1: dollar guarantee versus hitting a ten K forty million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, probably.
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, let's move on. Final little segment here.
Speaker 1: Questions for you, buddy, Questions for you. I got five
Speaker 1: of them, Okay, I want you to answer these seriously, okay,
Speaker 1: like put your professional cap on. Don't just give me
Speaker 1: the jokes, uring you be serious. The first question has
Speaker 1: to do with the last topic that we just talked about,
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship. We have the dates for the series,
Speaker 1: we have the dates for the festival. I told you
Speaker 1: that they're two less days for the World Championship than
Speaker 1: the World last year. My first question is if it's
Speaker 1: up to you, you're in charge, and you can, you
Speaker 1: can say that you're in charge of WPT, You're in
Speaker 1: charge of win whatever it is. You're in charge of
Speaker 1: the guarantee. If the guarantee misses, it's on you, buddy,
Speaker 1: it's on you. It's on your company. So if the
Speaker 1: guarantees on you, what is the number you are coming with?
Speaker 1: And we will see with your right Because they said
Speaker 1: next week we're getting the guarantee.
Speaker 3: I mean I already touched on it. I wouldn't go
Speaker 3: back down. I'll keep it at forty million. The fact
Speaker 3: you're telling you I have to pay for it myself
Speaker 3: out of my pocket.
Speaker 1: Well, no, the company, like you're in charge of you No,
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 3: I would have Can we go back twelve months where
Speaker 3: I started a very intensive satellite program to make sure
Speaker 3: we have hundreds of qualifiers because here.
Speaker 1: Because clearly that's not the case, Like clearly all that
Speaker 1: stuff has happened. So because because that stuff would have
Speaker 1: been already happening and we would have seen it. So
Speaker 1: right now, like let's say you're in charge of WPT
Speaker 1: and WIN offices. You're in all these meetings, right You're
Speaker 1: you're the top dog. You're Adam Pliska, Like they're coming
Speaker 1: to you with their suggestions, their analysis, whatever. But you
Speaker 1: have to make the final call. You have to say, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've taken all the information in, I've reviewed it all.
Speaker 1: I got it. This is the number we're going with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going with forty.
Speaker 1: Wow, you're insane. You are out of your mind.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't, I honestly cannot believe. I can't believe this
Speaker 1: is a This is not a real answer for you.
Speaker 2: Do you think I'm comfortable with it?
Speaker 3: Not?
Speaker 1: You are a knit There is no way you're going
Speaker 1: forty million.
Speaker 3: Going forty But like I said, if you're going to
Speaker 3: put me in charge, that means we also have the
Speaker 3: ability to go back in time a year.
Speaker 1: And no, you don't have the ability to go back
Speaker 1: in time right now.
Speaker 3: I'm not going down. I'm not I'm not losing this battle.
Speaker 1: Do you think that let's say, let's say they've decided
Speaker 1: on forty, do you think they could still like roll
Speaker 1: out satellites and stuff. I mean we still yeah, twentieth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have some time.
Speaker 3: You just go crazy on WPT Global. You you work
Speaker 3: with all your partners around the world in Leuchtenstein and
Speaker 3: Australia and run satellites like give like every seat is valuable,
Speaker 3: you know, And there's there's once like we talk about
Speaker 3: this once. You know, once you have some you hit
Speaker 3: say twenty five satellite qualifiers, you make a big deal
Speaker 3: about it. Then you hit the fifty, then you make
Speaker 3: a big deal about it, You push it on. You
Speaker 3: just keep you just ramp up as much promotion as
Speaker 3: possible to promote that, Hey, we have I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't want to use the word dead money, but
Speaker 3: we have some dead money in this. We have satellite
Speaker 3: qualifiers and one there set for twenty dollars or a
Speaker 3: free roll, and you look you're a bit behind the
Speaker 3: eight ball.
Speaker 2: But doesn't mean you can't. You don't just give up.
Speaker 3: You have two months, right, well three months, you two
Speaker 3: and a bit months whatever to really just go ham
Speaker 3: on doing as much as you can to make sure
Speaker 3: you don't miss that guarantee. Tell when more milestone. We
Speaker 3: need a weekly use milestone satellies. We need step programs global,
Speaker 3: we need step programs and milestones and everything. Just to
Speaker 3: be all in, you have to be like two x
Speaker 3: three x all in triple punt shoving.
Speaker 1: I mean, if we obviously don't know what the guarantee is,
Speaker 1: I mean, if the guarantee is fifteen million, then then
Speaker 1: that's stuff that you're talking about. They're just not going
Speaker 1: to do, probably right, But let's say you did. You
Speaker 1: did settle on a big guarantee. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: even do things like if you play the Prime Championship,
Speaker 1: you get break free entry to the World Championship, like
Speaker 1: like stuff like that. Yeah, you know, it's just I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know that that obviously costs money, but marketing costs money.
Speaker 1: I mean that's just the world we live in. So
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. I think I will be
Speaker 1: very interested to see what they come with. Of course
Speaker 1: they said they said we're getting the full schedule a
Speaker 1: week from this announcement, which happened a couple of days ago.
Speaker 2: Set with thirty five million.
Speaker 1: The reason why I would be upset with thirty five
Speaker 1: millions because I think that is a very stupid number.
Speaker 1: Five million is like thirty five million is like if
Speaker 1: you're gonna do thirty five, you just do forty first
Speaker 1: of all, Like, there's what is five million?
Speaker 2: It's five million?
Speaker 3: But like if they drop it, like what are they
Speaker 3: going to jump it to?
Speaker 1: If you drop it, I think you go twenty five,
Speaker 1: twenty or twenty five, which is an increase over the
Speaker 1: first year, which I think can help you be like, listen,
Speaker 1: we took our shot last year. We missed. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe it wasn't the correct course of action to
Speaker 1: go from fifteen million to forty million, which I think
Speaker 1: you and I would both agree, and we talked about
Speaker 1: this before. Was wild that you would ever do that,
Speaker 1: Like just absolutely wild. I mean, if we're going to
Speaker 1: wind back the clock, which is what you're talking about,
Speaker 1: you would you go to thirty million last year? Because
Speaker 1: you got twenty eight or twenty nine, right, so you
Speaker 1: just up it a little bit and you say, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're going thirty like that's what we're doing, you know.
Speaker 1: So I think pulling back to twenty five is is
Speaker 1: like the community will will. I mean, they might make
Speaker 1: a big deal out of it for a day or two,
Speaker 1: but honestly they'll get over that. Now, if you do
Speaker 1: something insane like come with ten million, I think you're
Speaker 1: just then you're like, you're insane in the other direction, right.
Speaker 1: But I think if you do pull back, which I
Speaker 1: anticipate that they do, I think you need to come
Speaker 1: with other stuff. So that's why I say, like, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're going twenty or twenty five million for the World Championship,
Speaker 1: but we have this ten million dollar one K, we
Speaker 1: have this three million dollars six hundred, you know, like
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. I mean, there's there's a WPT
Speaker 1: coming up at Seminole in Florida. Their opening event is
Speaker 1: a four hundred dollars two million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 2: Jeez.
Speaker 1: So it in my mind, everything that you do at
Speaker 1: the quote unquote World Championship Festival of your tour should
Speaker 1: be bigger than anything that's done on the rest of
Speaker 1: the tour for the rest of the year. That's why
Speaker 1: I say, if you open with a six hundred one
Speaker 1: million or six hundred two million, I say, well, Seminole
Speaker 1: did four hundred two million. Yeah, you gotta go point then,
Speaker 1: So I'm like, just you know, six hundred two and
Speaker 1: a half, six hundred whatever, you'll hit that. That's it's
Speaker 1: easy to hit the numbers on the low buying scale
Speaker 1: because that's where the volume comes from in poker. Like
Speaker 1: that's why the WSP Colossus, the WSP Gladiator, like the
Speaker 1: Mystery Millions, like all that sort of stuff does fifteen
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five thousand entries because it's easier to get
Speaker 1: entries from those price points than it is to get
Speaker 1: entries from the high price points. So that that's where
Speaker 1: I would go. So I would I would say, hey, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're pulling back, but we're offering this like it's more basically,
Speaker 1: we're making the WPT experience, which I think not only
Speaker 1: do they hold at the highest regard, I think the
Speaker 1: community holds the WPT experience at an extremely high regard.
Speaker 1: We're making the WPT experience more accessible to everyone, not
Speaker 1: just the ten thousand dollars player, the five thousand dollars player,
Speaker 1: et cetera. Like we're making it accessible to the six
Speaker 1: hundred dollars player, we're making it accessible to one thousand
Speaker 1: dollars player, and everything from from six hundred up to
Speaker 1: ten k. The WPT experience, the player experience that we
Speaker 1: built the foundation of this company on. That is what
Speaker 1: we are pushing and making accessible to everyone. That's how
Speaker 1: I would go about it. That's the selling point. Anyway,
Speaker 1: back to the questions, So you said forty, there's no shot.
Speaker 1: You're out of your mind, all right. You've been really
Speaker 1: into fitness and working out lately. We all know you're
Speaker 1: you're sending me pictures all the time, like you got
Speaker 1: your shirt off. It's just it's you pictures.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: You did send me a picture with your shirt, but
Speaker 1: you send me a picture with your shirt off, dripping
Speaker 1: sweat in your garage.
Speaker 3: You said coffee, and I'm like soon and I took
Speaker 3: a photo. I was still working out, not sending you
Speaker 3: pitches out of context.
Speaker 2: Let's get that click.
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't ask you to send me a
Speaker 1: picture of you naked.
Speaker 2: I was not naked.
Speaker 1: I mean, with how short those shorts were, you were
Speaker 1: basically all right. So here's the deal. I saw your
Speaker 1: abs in that photo. You don't have a six pack yet.
Speaker 1: If I were to give you the option to have
Speaker 1: the body from the neck down of Christiano Ronaldo, so
Speaker 1: you're chiseled six pack, it's incredible and you could have
Speaker 1: that body forever with doing extremely minimal work. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't have to like be in the gym four
Speaker 1: hours a day to maintain and stuff like that. But
Speaker 1: the catch is you have to cut all ties with poker.
Speaker 1: You can't work in the industry, you can't play anything,
Speaker 1: you can't even be a Poker gro subscriber and watch
Speaker 1: the game. Are you accepting the chiseled abs of steel
Speaker 1: and the body of Christiano or are you sticking with poker?
Speaker 3: This is the easiest question about it, ask me, and
Speaker 3: this answer is no, taking what not taking Christiano's body? Wow,
Speaker 3: I can get that eventually, hopefully, fingers cross, I'm not
Speaker 3: giving up poker for that. That's too cheap of a
Speaker 3: price point six pack.
Speaker 1: Nine, I mean, okay, who knows? All right, if you
Speaker 1: had the power to force one poker player to play
Speaker 1: a full schedule of PGT events for an entire season.
Speaker 1: Who would it be and.
Speaker 3: Why gotta be my boy Phil Ivy. I just want
Speaker 3: to see him in the studio playing every event, you know,
Speaker 3: I think the go to answer is is feil Helm
Speaker 3: with but he does come and play events. So I
Speaker 3: want Ivy in the studio grinding five k's grinding ten,
Speaker 3: k's grinding, the fifteens, the twenty five is playing everything.
Speaker 2: That's my goal.
Speaker 1: I would say I got a couple. I would say
Speaker 1: Jason Mercier, Sean Deeb, Jason kuh I want to see
Speaker 1: Coon in the fives and the tents play and everything.
Speaker 1: I want to see if he really is the best
Speaker 1: of the I mean he probably is the best of
Speaker 1: the best, of course, yes, but I want to see
Speaker 1: it in action.
Speaker 3: D would be good. I would take Deep over over Kuhn.
Speaker 3: I'd take Mercier over D. But I'm also thinking, like Ivy,
Speaker 3: I think draws better if he get if he makes.
Speaker 1: At Ivey is obviously a good one, you know, I'm
Speaker 1: I I just am picking those other ones because you
Speaker 1: took ay, you know, so so yeah. Another one that
Speaker 1: somebody brought up recently in one of the YouTube chats
Speaker 1: for our live streams Vanessa selves, that's a good one, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, have her come back like she was obviously
Speaker 1: at the top of her game basically when she walked away, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, having her come back, that would be cool
Speaker 1: to see her in there battling and seeing how she
Speaker 1: she does against the field these days. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, same question, but pick an athlete or a celebrity,
Speaker 1: so not a poker player. And if you had the
Speaker 1: power to force that athlete or celebrity to play a
Speaker 1: full schedule of PGT events for an entire season, who
Speaker 1: would it be?
Speaker 3: And why is Lebron James? The layup answer here is that,
Speaker 3: like would that bring the most cloud or most athlete?
Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron would be amazing, right, I.
Speaker 3: Feel like it has to for thinking about the grow
Speaker 3: trying to grow the PGT in a way, I feel
Speaker 3: like has to be an American, has to be someone
Speaker 3: in sports that has an audience that is in that
Speaker 3: age range of that can gamble.
Speaker 1: If you injected, if this worked out, this hypothetical and
Speaker 1: you were able to put Lebron James in events, I
Speaker 1: would think there would be a lot of people that
Speaker 1: would be like if I just go play this five ky,
Speaker 1: get to play with Lebron James.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1: I mean they that had that like there are there
Speaker 1: are you can probably count them, you know what.
Speaker 3: No, no, got a number of people who have that pull.
Speaker 3: I think I'm changing my answer. Lebron James is good.
Speaker 3: I think Lebron James's audience skews us and younger. Okay,
Speaker 3: and it also skews NBA. Like following basketball, you don't
Speaker 3: really need a lot of money, you just watch basketball.
Speaker 3: I'm thinking I need to think of a richer sport.
Speaker 3: So I'm thinking golf. I'm thinking Tiger Woods because the
Speaker 3: people that want to sit and play with Tiger Woods
Speaker 3: have the money to play ten k's twenty five ks.
Speaker 3: So I mentioned you have twenty five's and fifteen's and
Speaker 3: fifty k We bring the fifty k's back, bring the
Speaker 3: hunter k's back. I think there would be a good
Speaker 3: appetite for people that want to play poker with Tiger Woods.
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods is my answer. Now change it, Lebron, You're out.
Speaker 1: Mine would be a completely selfish answer, but it would
Speaker 1: be Charles Barkley because it would be an f.
Speaker 2: And right it would be. That'd be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just him, you know, you know, Barkley Gambles like,
Speaker 1: it would just be like absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: That would be a good one. Yeah yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: Not that it would necessarily do anything in the It's
Speaker 1: just like more of a selfish answer, but that's what
Speaker 1: I would pick, all right. The NFL season is, uh,
Speaker 1: moving on to Week three. You're a Broncos fan, so
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to answer them for this question.
Speaker 1: Who is winning the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3: I mean the chunky answer is the Chiefs, right, but
Speaker 3: the Jets look pretty okay.
Speaker 2: Last night, so I don't know. I'm going with the Chiefs.
Speaker 3: It's hard to bet against Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: How it's a boring answer, but well yeah, but still
Speaker 3: I don't want to see the Chiefs wing. I'd rather
Speaker 3: say anyone else. Lions would be good, Jets would be
Speaker 3: pretty awesome.
Speaker 1: The Lions would be great. I think the Lions are
Speaker 1: the Jets, And honestly, if it was, that would be
Speaker 1: like my ideal super Bowl matchup Lions versus the Jets,
Speaker 1: because both teams are pretty good now, they've just had
Speaker 1: a drought forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like.
Speaker 1: Just the the heartbreak and the devastation that those two
Speaker 1: fan bases have gone through, and then the chance to
Speaker 1: win the Super Bowl, and then you would you would
Speaker 1: get guaranteed jubilation and guaranteed heartbreak, like in the same game.
Speaker 1: That that's my ideal matchup.
Speaker 2: That is it?
Speaker 1: That is it?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: All right? You got anything else for me?
Speaker 3: No?
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