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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome to a new episode of the Poker

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Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. I am joined

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by Tim Duckworth audio version today, And I'm saying that

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because if you are unaware, Tim and I did a

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video version of the podcast a couple of days ago

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that is available on PokerGO dot com for poker Ghost subscribers.

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So check that out. If you are a poker Grot subscriber,

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let us know the feedback that you have on it.

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I had fun doing it, had fun doing it. It

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was our pilot episode. We'll see if a full series.

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But yeah, what's going on, buddy?

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Speaker 2: Not much.

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Speaker 1: It looks like you just woke.

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Speaker 3: Up no enough.

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Speaker 1: I know your hair is a.

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Speaker 2: It's a mess.

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Speaker 3: We're trying to grow it out. Okay, just just give

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me eight months. That'll be normal.

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Speaker 1: Eight four months.

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Speaker 3: How long did it take you for you to grow

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your hair out to be like an acceptable length that fell?

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Speaker 1: I don't know about that. I mean, I had a

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bet for twelve months, but I don't know or.

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least before it's like somewhat manageable. So right now it's

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in a very awkward stage. You're going to see me

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in a hat a lot, and that's about it.

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Speaker 1: That stays looks fine. I like the state, but I'm

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just saying right now it's a bit messy, not that

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anyone can see because it gains the audio only so

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as as producer Rich Ryan would say, horrible radio, just

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absolutely horrible radio. On today's show, Tim and I are

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going to recap the twenty twenty four Poker Masters series

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that just wraps up. We're going to hit on who

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won the overall series, who won events, some honorable mentions

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of course, lot to talk about there. That'll lead into

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our discussion about the PGT leaderboard and any shakeups that

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occurred there as a result of the points earned during

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Poker Masters or maybe points not earned during Poker Masters.

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We're gonna hit on the NAPT Las Vegas. We have

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a new partnership with them. We also want to touch

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on what's coming up from that series. We do have

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a special giveaway that we are running in partnership with

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the Poker Stars NAPT, so stay tuned for that. EPT

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Barcelona recently wrapped up. We'll touch on the winners there

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and also some I guess industry news coming out at

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EPT Barcelona with some game integrity rule changes. The WPT

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has an announcement, Buddy, the w ET has an announcement.

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but listen, I'll be upfront with it. We already did

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the questions once. We're gonna do them again, so you'll

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be prepped. It's the same questions, you know. So if

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you saw the video podcast, same questions that I gave there.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to change my answers, then you can.

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Speaker 1: Do whatever you want, but you'll probably sound like an

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idiot answers. You can improve your answers. How about that.

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This episode of the Poker Go Podcast is brought to

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you by the Poker Stars NAPT. The NAPT returns to

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Las Vegas this November, running in November first through tenth

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at Resorts World. The series is headlined by the fifty

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three hundred dollars buying three million dollar guaranteed main event.

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The schedule has buy ins from as low as two

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hundred and fifty dollars all the way up to twenty

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five thousand dollars, so there is something for everyone across

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the festival. If you guys would like to learn more

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about the NAPT Las Vegas. I would encourage you to

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head on over to PokerStars Live dot com slash NAPT

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slash Loss Vegas and for our listeners in Michigan, Pennsylvania

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and New Jersey where Poker Stars is available to you,

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be sure to check out the Poker Stars lobby on

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the daily for qualifiers and a chance to win a

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we hope to see you guys there if you do

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go there. If you do come out to NAPT Las

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Vegas and you are a Poker Grol podcast listener, let

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us know, come up and talk to us. We obviously

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love talking with our listeners and finding out who you

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guys are. All right, Moving on to Poker Masters, which

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this year was presented by the Poker Stars and APT,

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Jim Collipy is the twenty twenty four Poker Masters Champion.

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Four cashes for mister Collopy five hundred and twenty one thousand,

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six hundred dollars earned. He picked up five hundred and

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twenty two points that allowed him to top the series leaderboard.

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He did so by making four consecutive final tables. He

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finished at the final table in event three, four, five,

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and six. He started off his run with a sixth

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place finish and event number three for forty seven thousand dollars,

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then a third place finish and Event number four for

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one hundred and five thousand dollars. Then he had a

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pair of runner up results event number five second for

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one hundred and forty two thousand dollars, and then Event

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number six second for two hundred and twenty six thousand dollars.

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Tim Andagan talk about this a little bit more, but

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before we do, I do want to throw it to

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the interview that Jim Collapy did with Jeff Platt here.

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Speaker 4: With our series champion, Jim Colbee. Jim, congratulations, four straight

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final tables that's only been done once before at the

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Speaker 1: What was this run like for you?

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Speaker 5: This run was incredible. No Limit is definitely a game

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I've played a lot of, but I play a lot

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of games, so it's nice to perform well on a

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big stage with a lot of guys that specialize in

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Speaker 4: Along those lines, when you look back at your poker careers,

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this going to be an accomplishment that stands out to

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you absolutely.

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Speaker 5: I mean with this game, with this format, with these structures,

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often there's a lot of close calls, so to put

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a lot of stock into any given event kind of

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this is the tree for the forest, or more of

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the forest for the tree, either way. But it's important

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to kind of look back and how you put it

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all together, and when you have a leader opportunity, even

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when you don't end up with any wins, this can

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add up to a little bit more. And I think

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that's what's most significant about it.

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Speaker 4: Were we feeling extra patriotic this week, rocking the red,

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white and blue shades or what?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I think it's an important time for our country to

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kind of come together and show up. And I hope

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that at least I can remind some folks what it

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means to show up.

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Speaker 1: What are your thoughts deserving winner? How did he do?

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he is, without doubt one of the top five PGT

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tournament players, as in he puts in top five volume

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of anyone in the studio. You know that's we're talking

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rivals with someone like Daniel m'grind or Jeremy Osmus and Jim.

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does play mixed games, so he's always supporting the PGT.

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about how to make it better. So he does care

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and it's actually pretty cool to you know, he didn't

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get a victory, see him finish on top of the

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lead aboard, take home that purple jacket and the prizes

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that came with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not only the purple jacket was awarded to Jim Callipy,

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he won the twenty five thousand dollars PGT passports. That's

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good for PGT buyings across the tour. And then this

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year on behalf of the Poker Stars NAPT he picked

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up a gold pass. What is a gold pass, you

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might ask yourself. A gold pass is valued at ten

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thousand dollars, so some nice value there. It includes a

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buy in to the fifty three hundred dollars ANAPT Las

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Vegas main event, and then twenty nine hundred dollars worth

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of hotel accommodations at resorts. Well, I believe it's up

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to seven nights, and then eighteen hundred dollars in expense money.

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So pretty good, pretty good winners prize there for Colopy.

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I mean, listen, I think he performed extremely well. The

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four consecutive final tables was two second place finishes were

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notable and worthy of, you know, winning the purple jacket.

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but I mean that's not the goal of the leaderboard.

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this on the pgt where you know, we have these

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series leaderboards and people chase some sort of prize, some

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sort of title in addition to the event titles and

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prizes that they cheat chase with each individual tournament. I

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really do love that. I've always like been a sucker

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for player of the year stuff, leaderboards, prizes, you know,

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player of the series, et cetera. I would highly encourage

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all tours out there to do very similar things. It

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can be on the lesser scale, it can be on

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a bigger scale. But you know, I think this helps,

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because I think people are drawn to this sort of stuff.

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Speaker 3: I think it also makes you know, the series fu

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the final event, because you have this race, you have

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people sweating, you have you know, we witnessed the first hand.

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Jim was eliminated, you know, after registration closed and he

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was sitting at the bar, he had a drink. He

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was kind of sweating some action, seeing who could win,

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what place this person needed to finish in, what place

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that person needed to finish in. And then the people

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also competing for it were like, Okay, I have to

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or I have to finish fifth, you know, like Jeremy

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Becker had to finish fifth. So Jim was, you know,

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anti sweating Jeremy a little bit to busp so that

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he could just have one less person to worry about.

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of my tweets in reference to Jim winning, Jeremy says,

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purple is not his color.

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Speaker 2: So it feels like Jeremy's got.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of a little bit of spite there

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after putting in a you know, his own impressive performance

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throughout the Poke Masters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was Jeremy Becker, it was Michael Monchek,

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it was David Chen, it was justin Zachi. Where that

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last group of Wilson and Brock Wilson, Yes, excuse me,

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where that last group of competitors that could chase down

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Callipye in the final twenty five k events. It was

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him sweating the PGT top forty to get into the

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PGT Championship million dollar free Roll. By the way, quick

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the free role. I think it should be called the

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PGT Million Dollar Championship. That's just my new thing. I

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thought of that today because I like writing.

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Speaker 2: I keep writing million million dollar Championship.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, I just think PGT Championship million dollar free

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roll is.

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Speaker 2: It's a little like cumbersome.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's like, I don't know, I feel like

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I feel like the word free roll doesn't do it justice.

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Like free roll is like you play a free role

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when you sign up for an online poker site to

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Speaker 2: Or like happens to have money changes.

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't think that. I don't think the money

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should ever change.

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Speaker 3: I think the money yeah, but went on it could

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show the money, so I understand.

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Speaker 2: But if it's one million, how if it goes up?

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, it should it should never go up. I

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don't think. I think it should maintain there. And then

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if there is some sort of increased budget to add

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Speaker 2: I would be the best you've had all yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Like listen, I'm a I'm a branding

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and marketing expert.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, it was PGT million Dollar Championship.

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Speaker 1: I kept every time I would write PGT Championship million

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dollar free and we are way off the rails were

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talking about. But I don't care. This is our podcast

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this doesn't sound right. Every time I would write it

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PGG Championship million dollar film, like this doesn't sound right.

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It doesn't sound right, it doesn't sound right. Obviously you

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want to get the million dollars in there, like you

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dollar or PGT million Dollar Championship I think works the

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best anyway, back to the Poker Masters, I don't even

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remember what we were talking about. Oh yeah, all those players,

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but yeah, shades of Jim Collaby sweating the top forty

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sitting at the bar having a couple of drinks. I

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think this year he was having looked like a margarita

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or two or three as he's you know, sweat the

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action to see if anyone would overtake him. He the

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hand when Becker busted to get eliminated, he busted to

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Justin Zaki. Yeah, and he you know, he tanked forever

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on the river. Calopy's standing right there. It's this whole

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thing he hands up here, going it off with seven's

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on a king high paired board. Uh, Zaki has the

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aces and and that's that, you know. So in that

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moment for Collopy, because I think I remember Jesse Lonis

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was at the table and asked Colopy like, while the

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hand was happening, while Becker was tanking, like you know,

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it's it's lose lose for you or what do you

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want or something like that, And and for Collopy it's

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it's it was Becker getting eliminated because he only needed

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fifth or better minus the other guys, you know, possibly

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going on to win. But so with Becker's elimination in

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that spot short of the money, I think there was

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around thirty players left thirty five like that. You know,

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Zaki gets the chips of course, which boosts his stack,

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but he ultimately has to win, so still still pretty

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hard to achieve that at the end of the day.

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But as it turned out, everyone busted before day two

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of the event, so before the final table, justin Zaki

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was the last player to go and call it be

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locked it up. So, you know, good on Jim Callipy.

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a little later in this podcast because I want to

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hit on where he is within the PGT leader board.

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But before we get into all that sort of stuff,

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do you want to give some due to all the

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Poker Masters winners that we had across the series and

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hit on some thoughts there. Event number one, Spencer Champlain

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one hundred and sixty K was the winnings for Champlain.

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He turned a five hundred and sixty dollars satellite into

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a five K seat, turned that five K seat into

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one hundred and sixty K score. He topped fellow five

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hundred and sixty dollars Satellite winner Jessica Vierling in heads

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up play there sir to Satellite when as much as

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make you feel good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the perfect, perfect heads unmatch having those

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two satellite qualifiers get there. And it was also good

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to see some you know, as we start going through

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these results, you see some new names at the final

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table that you know, if you're a regular PGT watcher, you,

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to be honest, you do get used to the Chidwicks,

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the Koons, the Petangelos, the Osmus and the grind these names,

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and me personally, I like to see people that have

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never made a PGT final table make it now. I

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know for you and Remco and the people in charge

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of content probably hate that. They want a grinder helmet

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at every final TABLET.

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Speaker 1: Don't you ever in that group doing so? No, I'm

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I'm more listen. It's it's great to have all the

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big names. Yeah, don't don't get me wrong, especially because

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we know that that's what drives a lot of viewership. Yes,

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but I also believe that there's a second element to this,

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where you know, you the new faces coming into the

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PGT that signifies growth, which is a good thing. And

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then on the back end when it comes to the

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content side, it's our job as poker go and be

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in the production house and the content house that we

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are to create these stories let people know who we are.

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Like if you look at it, like let's say the

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NBA for example, because I think they have kind of

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the most pressing issue with this Lebron Steph Curry, etc.

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Like they're almost out, like they're almost at the point

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of retirement, so you have to find those next stars

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and then you have to have them rise up. Baseball

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I think did a horrific job with this. Like their

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biggest star was what's his name out of Anaheim Trout,

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Like Trout and then Otani as well. Otani now is

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at least in a big market being as part of

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the Dodgers. Trout is still buried with the Angels and

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no one's ever watching that. Yeah, right, So it's like

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you just don't have these these stars that are that

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are magnified, and I think it hurts the game's popularity.

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It hurts the growth, you know, hurts viewership and all

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that sort of stuff. Like so poker like, yeah, people

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can stay around longer. I mean, you can play poker

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till you're seventy eighty nineties years old, whoever the heck

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knows how old you are, right, But you have to

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battle with the variants, like it's not always going to

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be in Neigrania making a final table or a helmet

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or an ivy or whoever. Right, it's just not going

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to happen that way. It can go they it could

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go long stretches, you could in theory, or you know,

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it could be an entire season and Nigranny doesn't make

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a PGT final table, yeah, and doesn't make a stream

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like that could happen, you know. So it's our job

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on the back end to tell people who these new

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people are and not just constantly be like we need

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a neig Granny, we need a helmet, we need this,

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No like you need. We need to tell the story

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of the tour, believe in what we're selling, boost these

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players up, and all of that sort of stuff. So

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I guess I would say that I'm in the middle.

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I see both sides, but I'm with you that that's

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seeing the new names, you know, is great, and then

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also seeing them come from in this first event, come

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from five hundred and sixty dollars satellite tickets, like you

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can you can show up at Aria and play a

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five hund and six dollars satellite if you're out there,

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maybe you don't have five K, maybe you don't have

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ten K, fifteen K, twenty five k, whatever, but you

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can fire in five sixty, win a seat, and then

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go from there. So I think that that's great. There

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was a funny little, I guess side story that came

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out of this first event. It had. It had one

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hundred and thirty one entries, which was what largest Poker

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Masters event ever.

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Speaker 3: Not just five K. None of them hold them that

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we've ever done in the studio as well.

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Speaker 1: Bang so sweet. At one point, Jesse Lonis and Ren Lynn,

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who are you know? Friends? They have a lot of

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friendly banter back and forth. They're competitive. They're always gambling

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with each other, not only you know, playing against each

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other in the poker tournaments, but like side bets and

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stuff like that. They make a side bet on the

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number of entries. I think when they made it there

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was like six or seventy players or entries in the field,

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and Ren had one hundred and thirty two entries and over,

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and Jesse Loanis had obviously under one thirty two, the

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bet was for ten thousand dollars. We get to the

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close of registration, that final break, everyone has registered except

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one person. The clock says one thirty one. Jesse Loans

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is out of the tournament, with a chance to re enter.

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He would not re enter because if he re entered,

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it would hit one thirty two. That five K entry

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would essentially cost him fifteen K because he would have

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to pay renlin ten K. So Jesse Loan is who

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It's also interesting is that he was I believe in

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this other side bet, so this must win the jacket

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side bet between six or seven players where they each

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put up fifty K. Now, obviously somebody has to win

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the jacket to collect all the money, either three hundred

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K or three hundred and fifty k or whatever. But

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the fact that he would pass on the chance to

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get points by playing a tournament to not let ren

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Linn win the money was just funny to me how

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that all shook out. So that was that was pretty comical.

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At the close of registration in event number.

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Speaker 2: One, do you think his decision was the correct decision?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would I would have just I would

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have fired in the ten k and heard the fifteen k,

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the five k and then paid the ten cap and

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just whatever.

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Speaker 3: I think Ran even offered him some kind of like buyout,

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not like a full amount, but like a Holf price

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buy it, and he didn't want to do it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also coming at this with the fact that

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I don't think ten k is like going to break

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Jesse Lonis in any sort of way. So it's kind

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of like whatever. Event number two, Jeremy Becker topped the

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field for two hundred and fifty five thousand dollars, his

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breakout high stakes win. His also also his largest career

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score in first ever six figure score. You know, Becker

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obviously got a ton of buzz what within the last

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one to two years with all the daily tournaments around

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Las Vegas that he was winning, most notably at Win

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Las Vegas. He ends up this ends up drawing the

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buzz of Daniel Legrand You and josh Aria, they like

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start backing him and supporting him. This recent summer, he's

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got this this bet against Land and Tice, So there's that,

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and then yeah, he's been battling in the studio. He's

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had a few cashes and he finally gets a victory.

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So I mean, has he arrived? I guess I'll ask

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you has he arrived on the highest stakes scene.

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Speaker 2: I think he is this more.

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Speaker 3: I think he's encouraged, both him and his backer is

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encouraged to play more PGT events. Normally we come, we

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see him play the fives and the tens and you know,

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jomp out in the fifteens. Twenty five is depending how

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he's going. But he played every event, played all light events,

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multiple buyings, multiple re entries.

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Speaker 1: Jes first in that twenty five K because he was

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obviously in contention for the jackets his first ever twenty five.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I think he's proven himself. He's got the

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one victory.

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Speaker 2: You know he can.

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Speaker 3: He was, you know, in the running for the peple jacket.

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I see, you know, come the next big series like

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Poker Gold Cup, most likely we'll see something similar.

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Speaker 2: Way.

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Speaker 3: He's planning to play everything and he's just going to

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continually put in the volume in the studio, play these

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PGT events, try and you know, knock away at some

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of these titles.

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Speaker 2: He's got.

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Speaker 3: He's got that taste of that six figure score much

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better than winning a win daily for twenty three hundred dollars.

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So yeah, I think he's arrived in the sense, but

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maybe he was already arrived, but now it's just the

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confidence and the he.

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Speaker 1: Was arrived in the sense that he was a name,

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but like it's weird and poker and you know, when

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I first came into the industry, I remember going out

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to the World Series Poker for the first time and

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at the time, our boss was Gary Gates, and I

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remember like he would usually go around and then eventually

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I started doing this with with the team that I managed.

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Speaker 2: Like you would.

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Speaker 1: You would walk the field with some of the people,

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you know, mostly the newer people too, and then you

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would let them know, like who's who who we should cover, right,

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so they have a base of people to cover. I mean,

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I remember play being like being told like this is

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so and so, this is so and so, this is

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so and so, and like the one the one I

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remember is when when we were in the Brazilian room.

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I could still picture it was Tony Kuzino, first player.

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He told me about Tony Kuzno hasn't won anything I

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can remember since that day. So like, but because I

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was told to cover Tony Kuzino, on that day. To me,

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Tony Kuzno has always been a name, yeah, but I

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don't think he's had any sort of success that might

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justify the fact that he should be a name, you

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know what I mean. So, like, yeah, Becker is a name,

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and he's he's certainly popular within the pope community and

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everyone knows who he is now. But it came from

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winning the dailies, like people seeing his photo on the

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you know, the win feed on Twitter, like this guy

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won again. This guy won again, this guy won again. Right,

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But so it's like he he hasn't done anything yet,

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or hadn't at least like until this point. I mean,

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he he did have some results this year on the PGT,

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you know, and he started to the resume in that regard.

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So so now it's almost like he proved it in

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a way, you know, kind kind of similar to land

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and Tice And you know, I just put those two

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in the same bucket because they had this bed over

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the summer. But like going into the summer, you know,

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Landon was a big name and has had some scores,

477
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,400
but then finally he made that WPT final table and

478
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:22,039
it's like, you know, here we go, like here's the

479
00:23:22,039 --> 00:23:25,000
big breakout run, the big breakout score on a major

480
00:23:25,039 --> 00:23:28,240
stage for land Entice, right, so similar sort of thing there.

481
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,720
It's like eventually you need to be like, yeah, but

482
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,279
what are they actually done? Well? Landon had that WPT

483
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,880
run for a ton of money. Jeremy Becker now gets

484
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,359
this victory at the Poker Masters and was in contention

485
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:41,599
for the whole series, so you know, kind of a

486
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,559
jumping off point for them, but as it relates to

487
00:23:43,559 --> 00:23:48,640
the Poker Masters one for Jeremy Becker. Justin Zachi gets

488
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:52,039
his second PGT winn of the season for taking home

489
00:23:52,279 --> 00:23:54,279
top honors in of at number three two hundred and

490
00:23:54,279 --> 00:23:58,000
forty four thousand dollars for him. Previously the twenty twenty

491
00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,920
four PGT season, he won the fifth event at the

492
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,839
Poker Go Cup for two hundred and thirty two thousand dollars.

493
00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,440
He denied Jeremy Osmas his first win of the PGT season.

494
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,799
Osmas has twenty one cashes but still a goose egg

495
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,839
on or in the win column for Osmas, and Zaki

496
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,160
was the one who denied him the win in this event.

497
00:24:19,319 --> 00:24:24,839
Jonathan Little, the Poker gro Cup Series champion from earlier

498
00:24:25,079 --> 00:24:27,960
this year. He won Event number four two hundred and

499
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,640
twenty six thousand dollars for him his third win of

500
00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:36,079
the PGT season. Worth noting that Harvey Castro got second place.

501
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,599
You may not know that game, but very very young kid.

502
00:24:38,759 --> 00:24:40,079
What was he twenty one or twenty two?

503
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 2: Yeah?

504
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 3: Twenty one?

505
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,119
Speaker 1: Yeah? What was the record that he set youngest ever

506
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,400
sinyal table on the PGT.

507
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,519
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm confirmed, but very likely.

508
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, and basically set it for a day because

509
00:24:54,799 --> 00:24:57,079
the next event was David Chen who's twenty one years

510
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,000
old and won Event number five for two hundred and

511
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,920
seventeen thousand dollars. David Chen, mit grat in computer science,

512
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,440
does some some writing for gto Wizard. He became the

513
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,799
youngest ever on the PGT winning that event, and then

514
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:13,759
he ultimately was in contention in the twenty five K

515
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,400
later on in the series as well. Isaac Haxton three

516
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,559
hundred and fifty eight hundred dollars for winning event number six,

517
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,440
Event number six and noven number seven Weber, both fifteen k's.

518
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,680
Hackston's the reigning PGT Player of the year. It was

519
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:31,480
his first PGT win this season. Before getting the victory

520
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,480
in Event number six, he had a sixth place finish

521
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:36,480
in event number four and a sixth place finish in

522
00:25:36,519 --> 00:25:39,279
event number five, So Hackson was heating up a little

523
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:42,079
bit entering this event and then was ultimately able to

524
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,559
get the victory. Event number seven was all Brock Wilson's.

525
00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:49,839
He had a big chip lead, hit a big chip lead,

526
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:51,880
what going into the final table, you know late on

527
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:56,839
day one. Ultimately was able to ride that out. Big

528
00:25:56,880 --> 00:26:02,359
beneficiary of Seth Davies punting over his steat with it

529
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,039
was what yeah, but what was it? Six players left

530
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,880
or it was a short stack at the table, yes,

531
00:26:08,039 --> 00:26:10,160
And that's why it was like kind of crazy for

532
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,319
what Seth Davies did he I believe it was button

533
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:18,519
versus small blind or maybe cut off versus button. I

534
00:26:18,559 --> 00:26:22,440
forget exactly, but Davies opened got three bet by Wilson,

535
00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:27,119
who had Jack's Davies elected to four bet. Jam Wilson

536
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:29,799
quickly called off and the ace three suited did not

537
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,400
come home for Seth Davies and he he came into

538
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,039
that final table like one of the top three stacks,

539
00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:38,720
maybe even second in chips, and was out like right away.

540
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,599
I think he went out in sixth place. So yeah,

541
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,240
Brock Wilson did sell action to this event on poker Steak.

542
00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,880
You know, I there's a lot of players that sell

543
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:48,799
action on poker Steak and a lot of players that

544
00:26:48,839 --> 00:26:52,960
had success this series, and I just I think it's cool,

545
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,720
you know, if you're looking to sweat along with the action.

546
00:26:57,079 --> 00:26:59,359
You know, Tim and I can't when whenever it involves

547
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,559
something that we're you know, streaming and working on. But

548
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,839
you know, head on over to poker steak dot com.

549
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,119
A lot of a lot of guys and girls that

550
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,119
are playing the the PGT tournaments are listing a ton

551
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,920
of action. Victoria Lifshitz had action on there. I know,

552
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,640
Jesse Vierlan had action on there. David Coleman lists action

553
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,000
on there, Jeremy Osmas, Aram Zobian, yeah, Aramzobe and Jeremy

554
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,039
Osmas has action on there right now for Super High

555
00:27:22,079 --> 00:27:25,279
Rollable PLO coming up. So yeah, so there's a lot

556
00:27:25,319 --> 00:27:29,000
of action to be had, you know for the PGT events,

557
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,359
and it pairs well when you are a poker Go

558
00:27:31,519 --> 00:27:35,200
subscriber and you are able to you know, watch and

559
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640
then also be like, yeah, I'm invested in so and so,

560
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,559
like I have a piece of Brock Wilson like, that's

561
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,319
really cool. He went on to win. So I win,

562
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,359
so I'm invested that way. I just like that tie in.

563
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,480
So yeah, poker steak dot com if you want to

564
00:27:46,519 --> 00:27:48,920
get in on that sort of stuff. And then rounding

565
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,920
out the winners. There were eight events during the twenty

566
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,359
twenty four Poker Masters. Ben Tolering wins five hundred and

567
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,039
ten thousand dollars for taking home the twenty five thousand

568
00:27:58,039 --> 00:28:01,160
dollars Nolan HOLDHM finale. Sixty eight entries in this one

569
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,599
was the field size that Toleraine topped. It was somewhat

570
00:28:04,599 --> 00:28:07,000
surprising to see him in the studio, but glad to

571
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:10,319
have him. He topped Taylor von Kriegenberg in heads up play.

572
00:28:10,839 --> 00:28:14,400
Toleraine is enjoying his best tournament year ever. He's got

573
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,319
more than five point one million dollars in winnings already.

574
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:23,240
He was second to Santos Servanna in the WSFP two

575
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,640
hundred and fifty k Super high Roller. He also has

576
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,200
some Triton scores of five hundred and thirty two thousand

577
00:28:28,279 --> 00:28:31,039
and three hundred and ninety one thousand dollars. So big,

578
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:35,920
big year for Tollerene. You know, has always been a

579
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,519
successful poker player, you know, but but not always like

580
00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,680
in the spotlight, I would say, but seems to be playing,

581
00:28:41,839 --> 00:28:45,319
you know, some bigger tournaments this year and obviously having

582
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,319
plenty of success in them. So general thoughts, I guess

583
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,160
let's start at the top. The series opened big. I mean,

584
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:54,599
we hit on it with the one hundred and thirty

585
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,119
one entries in that first five K event, largest Poker

586
00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:01,039
Masters event ever, largest field in a PGT Nolanan Holdham

587
00:29:01,079 --> 00:29:06,160
event ever. But as you know, because you are the commissioner,

588
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:11,119
a bunch of names missed. Oh yeah, so like which

589
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,759
which tells? Which tells me that the see It tells

590
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:17,720
me a couple of things. One, the series could have

591
00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:20,640
been bigger than it was. Like specifically, this opening event

592
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,519
could have been bigger than it was, but the series

593
00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,720
as a whole could have been bigger than it was.

594
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,759
It also tells me that I feel like we're doing

595
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:31,720
an all right job getting new people in there, where

596
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880
the numbers can look very good and they can grow

597
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,519
year over year, even with the fact that we're missing

598
00:29:37,599 --> 00:29:40,680
all the names. So who missed? Who were you surprised

599
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,799
not to see? Like all these guys that that I

600
00:29:42,839 --> 00:29:45,359
know you're about to say, are are we could put

601
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,680
them in the bucket of regulars like they play.

602
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,359
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not calling out the guys that you know,

603
00:29:50,359 --> 00:29:52,440
play one or two events, calling the guys that normally

604
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,599
play every event training our series especially, know of them

605
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,160
and hold them. Brian Kim, Brian Rast, Stephen Shiitwick, Frank Fernaro,

606
00:29:59,279 --> 00:30:03,720
David Peters, as A Kimpton, Masashi, Oya, Nacha Barbera, Alex Livingson,

607
00:30:04,119 --> 00:30:07,200
Max Coleman, Stephens Song, Joey Weisman, Dylan to Stephano, Philip

608
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,119
shing Lowis Spencer, Alex Condon, ed Sebesta, Anthony Who, and

609
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,039
I guess we can throw in you know, Phil hellm

610
00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:15,279
With and of course I've got Adam Hendrix in there

611
00:30:15,319 --> 00:30:18,200
as well. Now a lot of these guys have excuses.

612
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:19,880
I'm going to give it to him. Some went to

613
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,000
Australia to play the WPT event, Some are moving to Portugal,

614
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:27,640
some are just washed up, I don't know, broke. But

615
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,200
the fact that there's twenty five to thirty people we

616
00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,440
can name that could have easily been in every event

617
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,559
not here shows that our opening event could have easily

618
00:30:37,599 --> 00:30:40,799
been you know, one hundred and thirty could have easily

619
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,119
hit two hundred, I think.

620
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that would be great. Like, you know,

621
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,759
I would love to see numbers continue to grow for

622
00:30:48,839 --> 00:30:51,240
these series, you know, I would I would like for

623
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:52,759
them to grow enough.

624
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,039
Speaker 2: That we need a new studio.

625
00:30:54,119 --> 00:30:57,599
Speaker 1: On the pgt well, I mean, I don't know if

626
00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:02,279
that's possible, but on the PG TEA, we would be

627
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:06,880
forced to like have two flights two days for the

628
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,359
five k opener that we now do. Like that, that's like,

629
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,160
that's like the goal that I think we should kind

630
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,319
of have, you know, make it so you know, when

631
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,000
when you're tim when you're doing the schedule for the

632
00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,960
next Poker gro Cup, you're like, shit, I need two

633
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,160
starting flights because we're gonna get two hundred plus players.

634
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:27,440
Like that, that's like that should be our goal. I

635
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,079
would like for us to put a little bit more

636
00:31:30,079 --> 00:31:33,319
effort into satellites. I know, internally you and I have

637
00:31:33,759 --> 00:31:38,039
you know, pushed for that a lot. So yeah, I

638
00:31:38,039 --> 00:31:40,720
mean it's I guess i'll work in progress. But you know,

639
00:31:40,839 --> 00:31:44,720
I think we did our right with satellites this time around,

640
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,039
you know, but if we can make them a little

641
00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,079
bit bigger, offer them for maybe some of the bigger

642
00:31:49,119 --> 00:31:51,359
events as well, then we can we can start growing

643
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,720
things as a whole. But yeah, I mean listen without

644
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:58,319
these names and and it's not even like you know,

645
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,240
like a let's say, I don't know Brian cam these

646
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,400
first on your list, here her Steven Chidwick for example.

647
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:06,279
I mean, that's anywhere from one to three entry. I mean,

648
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:09,039
you know, if they bust, they're going to max enter, right,

649
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,720
So you know it's it's even if there's fifteen names

650
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,599
on this list, that can be anywhere from thirty to

651
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,160
forty five additional entries in a tournament. So do you

652
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,680
do you have any like reason why things jump from

653
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:26,359
year to year? Is it just the general trajectory and

654
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,559
brand building that the tour is on? Is it? Is

655
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:33,319
it players are getting I mean you hear players all

656
00:32:33,359 --> 00:32:35,160
the time. You hear our regulars all the time talk

657
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,880
about like you know, the leaderboard prizes and the and

658
00:32:38,039 --> 00:32:40,400
qualifying for the million dollar free role at the end

659
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,960
of the year. Like is that something that's just drawing

660
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,279
new people in? Like what you know, why are these

661
00:32:45,319 --> 00:32:46,599
numbers just continuing to grow?

662
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,279
Speaker 3: I mean over the last few years, Pokemasa's always seems

663
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,880
to be the biggest of a no limit hold of mages.

664
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,200
At the end of the day, all these schedules are

665
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,920
the same, right, five K, some tens, fifteen to twenty five's,

666
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,240
So there are real difference between this and the USBO

667
00:32:59,359 --> 00:33:02,440
or the Poke Up. I think there's a lot to

668
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,440
do with timing. You know, we're talking September, talking post

669
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,839
World Series, so you know, some people have more money

670
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,960
after a good World Series. Some people have you know,

671
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:15,319
recovered their bankrolls, you know, you know we talk about USPO,

672
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,440
maybe people are saving their money for the World Series.

673
00:33:18,599 --> 00:33:21,279
That's that's one reason. I think there's also been a

674
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,079
bit of a lull in poker since the World Series.

675
00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,440
So you know that ends what July seventeenth, dish, We've now,

676
00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:31,000
you know, a couple months out since then, people have

677
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,759
taken their break, they've recovered, they've spent time with family,

678
00:33:34,759 --> 00:33:37,200
they've traveled, and now they just kind of they're ready

679
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,759
to play, ready to grind. So I think that's one

680
00:33:39,799 --> 00:33:43,559
good thing about this, where the Poke Masters is a

681
00:33:43,559 --> 00:33:46,000
couple months after the World Series where people just have

682
00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:48,519
that itch. And then if we're talking about kind of

683
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,759
the brand it's been around for so long compared to

684
00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,079
the others. It's you know, this was his eighth installment,

685
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,920
and I think this resonates as strong as like the

686
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,200
Super high Roller brand, whereas you know, Poke Cup only

687
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:05,400
three four five years old. People may not care as much,

688
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480
but Pokemsa's, I think is just a bit more brand,

689
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:09,519
weaight than the others.

690
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, part of it is the luck

691
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,719
factor too. I mean, let's be honest, there's two kind

692
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,840
of luck factors involved with the series.

693
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:20,119
Speaker 2: Like this.

694
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:25,280
Speaker 1: One is the luck factor as it pertains two re entries.

695
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,800
You know, it can break a certain way where you know,

696
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,800
the players who wouldn't re enter or are busting out

697
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,800
and the players who would possibly re enter our getting

698
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:37,599
all the chips early, so that can kind of sway

699
00:34:37,639 --> 00:34:40,519
the entry number. Also, I mean, if you look at

700
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,360
the first event, the five k Opener, you had Spencer

701
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,440
Champlin winning, you had Jessica Erling second in chips, you

702
00:34:46,559 --> 00:34:50,239
had Nick Seward sixth place, you know for thirty two k.

703
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,920
So I mean the point of why we went to

704
00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:57,239
having a five k opener was and some of the

705
00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,880
players were actually talking about about it, and I was

706
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,719
I was eavesdropping where they were like, yeah, you know,

707
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,880
they should just make the opener a ten k but

708
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,679
this year, and it's obviously an extremely small sample size

709
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:12,280
because this is just one event of a bunch and

710
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,920
it just happened to break our way. But like when

711
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,880
you get a Champlin winning a Virling second, you know,

712
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:23,079
Nick Seward sixth, they're immediately motivated to then play the

713
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:25,920
next event and then hopefully they start going on a run.

714
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,719
And like that's kind of what you saw specifically out

715
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,159
of you know, Champling and Seward. I mean, Jess Verlin

716
00:35:32,199 --> 00:35:34,039
played i think all the ten games, so she was

717
00:35:34,039 --> 00:35:37,679
in there, you know, so that's great, but maybe she

718
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:39,960
elects to not play the ten k's if she doesn't

719
00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:42,480
have that ninety eight thousand dollars score in the first one.

720
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,039
You know, I'm not sure. Champlain, you know, had that

721
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:48,000
first place, then he cashed the next event in ninth place.

722
00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:49,840
Nick Seward had the sixth place in the first one,

723
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,760
then a fifth place in the next one. So it's

724
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:55,280
like like a Nick Seward, for example, or a Champlin,

725
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,760
you know, immediately you're like, okay, I'm possibly in the running,

726
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,400
and I can just kind of like keep rolling my

727
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,159
winnings over and basically like free rolling myself into the

728
00:36:05,199 --> 00:36:08,239
next tournament, and you know Nick Seward like then he

729
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,280
had you know, another cash in event number three, and

730
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,199
then another cash in event number four, and like he

731
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,079
just kept going and going and go or sorry, another

732
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:16,559
cash in event number five. So like you just kept

733
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,519
going and going and going. So the point is is,

734
00:36:19,559 --> 00:36:22,159
like we want to get people that might take a

735
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,960
shot in a five K, and it's easier to get

736
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,280
satellite people in a five K to then hopefully do

737
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,920
well and then spin it into the next events and

738
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,800
then maybe they make a run, you know. So that's

739
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:36,920
that's the goal with with having the five K as

740
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,000
the opener, and if you're a bigger player and you

741
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,480
want to skip it, I mean, by all that does welcome.

742
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: Yes, we do have people skipping the five K, and

743
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,800
we've heard them say that, yeah, I don't want to

744
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,960
play fives and then they see these field sides getting

745
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,199
so big. They see the satellite you know, I think

746
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,679
there was eight satellite qualifiers or nine into the opening event.

747
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,239
You see these nine qualifiers, you see all these fresh

748
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,000
faces you've never heard of, and some of these pros

749
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:03,559
that lick in their lips, they're like, oh, I can

750
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:06,400
beat these guys, you know. So we're basically creating a

751
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,760
bit more EV for the pros, but we're also giving

752
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:14,119
opportunity to you know, fresh faces, newcomers, people taking their

753
00:37:14,159 --> 00:37:16,639
shot where they can Hey, yeah, I can play this.

754
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:18,679
Maybe I got in for five hundred dollars, or maybe

755
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:20,840
I'll take a shot at a five K buy in

756
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,679
to play in the studio and potentially you know, be

757
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,440
on TV when you know, one hundred and sixty thousand dollars.

758
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:31,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, I mean I like the five k's. I

759
00:37:31,519 --> 00:37:32,480
think they're serious.

760
00:37:32,519 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 3: There's an argument should we have two five kse that's

761
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,760
you know, I'd rather go the other way than as

762
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,159
you mentioned, you know, we should just make it a ten. Well,

763
00:37:40,159 --> 00:37:42,400
we used to do that. I think five is great

764
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,599
because we get these new faces. You've said it, they parlay,

765
00:37:45,679 --> 00:37:48,920
they keep playing. Maybe there's a you know, there's an

766
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,000
argument to having two five k's and then we go

767
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:52,559
in the tens.

768
00:37:52,559 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 2: I'm not really sure.

769
00:37:54,199 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it could it could be something where

770
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:01,239
you know, we maybe you do like two five k's

771
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,679
for the Poka Roo Cup, but then you start with

772
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,840
ten k's for Masters, just because Masters feels like the

773
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,559
more prestigious, more distinguished brand of the majors. So I

774
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,559
don't know, you know, there's options there, but yeah, just

775
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:17,119
wanted to put that out there. Turnouts overall, I think

776
00:38:17,199 --> 00:38:21,440
held pretty well, especially for the two to fifteen k's

777
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:22,480
and also the twenty five K.

778
00:38:22,559 --> 00:38:24,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me just touch on that real quick. So

779
00:38:24,119 --> 00:38:26,159
you already mentioned one hundred and thirty one entrants in

780
00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,800
the opening event. That's the biggest five K no limit

781
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,320
hold and we've ever done. You know, we haven't done

782
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,639
a lot of them, that's something new for this season,

783
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:35,760
but still one hundred and thirty one entrance, ninety four

784
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:41,360
unique unique players, which is kind of pretty awesome. It's

785
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,280
also the sixth biggest five K field we've ever had. Obviously,

786
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:48,159
our PLO events just have smashing numbers. Heading on to

787
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,400
the ten k's event, two one hundred entrance, sixty four uniques.

788
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,280
That's the fourth biggest ten K held in the studio

789
00:38:56,400 --> 00:39:00,440
during the PGT. Moving on to the fifteens, had two

790
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:04,400
fifteen's eighty four entrance, seventy six entrance. That ranks as

791
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,079
second and third biggest fifteen k's we've ever had in

792
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:10,079
the studio during the PGT. Finally, the twenty five K

793
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,119
that had a total of sixty eight entrance. That is

794
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,440
the third biggest twenty five K held in the studio.

795
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,320
These are all no limit numbers. Now, crazy thing is

796
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:25,079
sixty eight entrance. The next two best was sixty nine

797
00:39:25,199 --> 00:39:28,559
entrants each. Here's the thing. I can call these people out.

798
00:39:28,599 --> 00:39:30,159
Now we've already called some people, are going to call

799
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,320
more people out. Our boss carry Kats.

800
00:39:32,679 --> 00:39:35,079
Speaker 1: Wait, wait, before you get into this, I would just

801
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:36,800
like to make it clear and put it on record

802
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,639
that Tim is the one point out and Donnie is

803
00:39:39,679 --> 00:39:40,159
not doing.

804
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,559
Speaker 3: Go ahead, our bus carry Kats, our other Lord and savior,

805
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:51,639
Daniel Negrando, Dan Shack, Chris Brewer, China Reim. That's five

806
00:39:51,679 --> 00:39:55,480
people that are good for at least sometimes max bullets.

807
00:39:55,519 --> 00:39:58,320
But just let's give him just one bullet. Let's say

808
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:00,440
they ran good and we're on there. Let's five people

809
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,760
missing from the twenty five K that would have put

810
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:09,400
us to seventy three entrants munimum, which would have been

811
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,239
the biggest twenty five K. No lemon hold him event

812
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,320
in the studio, Now, I get it. Chris Brewery, he's

813
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:19,519
running an off in ban for something. Gino playing table

814
00:40:19,559 --> 00:40:24,079
one cash games, Daniel. I know you're often Counteda playing

815
00:40:24,119 --> 00:40:26,960
pool and GG poker, cool Carrie and Dan who knows

816
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:27,480
what you're doing.

817
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,800
Speaker 1: But just saying, well, Daniel Legrony makes sense to me,

818
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:36,239
and he makes sense because the series wasn't going that

819
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:41,000
well for him, so there was no Purple Jacket implications

820
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,000
for him to come in and you know, even rip

821
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,719
off a win in the twenty five K.

822
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,039
Speaker 3: I think I think he skipped a finale once.

823
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, but if Daniel, if he even had a shot

824
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,639
to win and win the Purple Jacket, I think he

825
00:40:52,679 --> 00:40:56,079
would have been in there. But that also comes in

826
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:59,159
tandem with the fact that he's sitting pretty on the

827
00:40:59,159 --> 00:41:01,880
PGT leader he's currently fifth and we'll talk.

828
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,559
Speaker 2: On us a little bit later point stuff and not

829
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:04,039
showing up.

830
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like he's he's in an extremely comfortable

831
00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:11,360
position and is never gonna fall outside the top at

832
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,400
least I think it's no. But I'm saying that. But

833
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,880
I'm saying if he's if he's like outside the top forty,

834
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,719
if he's like forty six, maybe if he does say Okay,

835
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:22,920
I'm gonna play the twenty five K. But that's that's

836
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:27,199
also why I'm so surprised that Carrie skips because because

837
00:41:27,199 --> 00:41:30,280
he's outside the top forty and we know that, we

838
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,079
know that he you know, he told us he might

839
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,639
be missing the PLO series, et cetera, you know, due

840
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,039
to some travel. So it's like, well, there's like you're

841
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:41,559
running out of PGT events. I mean like at some point,

842
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,239
at some point it just becomes a volume game that

843
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,440
you just have to play and try and get the

844
00:41:46,519 --> 00:41:49,599
cashes right, So, I mean, and then also like, yeah,

845
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,760
for some people they can, like for Daniel, you might

846
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,239
say like, well, you know, points do equal starting hips,

847
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,119
so the more points you get, the more starting tips

848
00:41:56,159 --> 00:41:59,760
you have in the PGT Championship. Yes, but Daniel also

849
00:42:00,079 --> 00:42:03,000
him into the year quality over quantity, so he's like

850
00:42:03,039 --> 00:42:06,280
an understandable one. For me, Carrie is less understandable because

851
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:07,880
I'm like, you got to get the point.

852
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 2: That's a good question.

853
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: I think he's kind of around oh, he's sixteen, so yeah,

854
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,079
So anyone that's like, you know, within striking distance of

855
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,239
the top forty and you know, I would assume would

856
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:24,000
have also played the twenty five K. Coupled with the

857
00:42:24,039 --> 00:42:28,000
fact that this twenty five K was large, it's not like,

858
00:42:28,079 --> 00:42:29,880
you know, you're rocking up to play a twenty person

859
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,239
twenty five K. No, there was sixty eight entries, so

860
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,599
and you also had you had a bunch of like

861
00:42:34,679 --> 00:42:36,920
first timers in there. The two that stick out to me,

862
00:42:37,079 --> 00:42:39,320
Jeremy Becker and David Chen, you know, because they were

863
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,079
in the running for the jacket, like they were going

864
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,800
to play. You know, Nick Seward was he talked about

865
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:46,639
how he was gonna play the twenty five K and

866
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,039
it would have been his first twenty five K ever ever,

867
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:51,480
excuse me, had he been in the running for the jacket,

868
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,760
but he deemed that he was probably gonna get ruled out,

869
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,960
so he didn't. But if he had like cash the

870
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:58,239
fifteen k or something like that, you know, or had

871
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,440
a little bit of a better finish, then he probably

872
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,239
in there as well. So so yeah, I don't know,

873
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,559
I'm just I'm not surprised with Daniel. I am surprised

874
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:08,880
that that carry. And and then also Dan Shack missed.

875
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm calling you guys out. You should have

876
00:43:11,519 --> 00:43:14,400
all played no more. It's not even the fact that

877
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,760
they didn't play, get they all have excuses. It's at

878
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:18,119
the end of the day, it's all their money, their

879
00:43:18,159 --> 00:43:19,719
own money. This is the fact that we were so

880
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,840
we're just literally one person off tying the record and

881
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:23,280
two people.

882
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:24,599
Speaker 1: You could have bought it.

883
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 3: I'm very you could have bought it if I could

884
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:27,480
expense it.

885
00:43:27,519 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 1: You're the one who runs around the studio while day

886
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,480
being like mister financed finance, a.

887
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,639
Speaker 2: Good financial decision not to play when you're as bad

888
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:34,920
as you.

889
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,559
Speaker 1: Could have got in there. You could have maxilate right

890
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,440
and just knitted it up to a cash Sean winterstyle,

891
00:43:41,559 --> 00:43:42,639
three big blinds get in.

892
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 3: But either way, yeah, one off tying the record, two

893
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,119
off setting a new record. But this is all good

894
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:53,400
stuff for the PGT. We're growing, we're expanding, We're doing

895
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,480
what we can to to put on a good product

896
00:43:55,519 --> 00:43:57,719
for you know, the players, and that's all that matters.

897
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: I think, speaking of the players, this just want to

898
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,960
touch on this, this fifty thousand dollars side bed, which

899
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:09,000
I just thought was a fun little, you know, storyline

900
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:11,320
within it all. I think there was seven players involved,

901
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,880
maybe six, I can't remember. I remember Texas Mike Michael

902
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,000
Monsek saying that he got in, but he got in

903
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:21,000
for event number two because he skipped event number one,

904
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,880
but it's it's it's fun to me. It's entertaining that,

905
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:30,880
you know, these series and the PGT have become meaningful

906
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:33,199
enough that these guys are now doing like a fifty

907
00:44:33,199 --> 00:44:36,360
thousand dollars per person must win side bet. Like that's

908
00:44:36,519 --> 00:44:38,480
just interesting and that's kind of why I wanted to

909
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:41,960
bring it up. Some honorable mentions. I mean, obviously Jim

910
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,440
Collape winning is the headliner here, of course, but just

911
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,079
just some other things that that came out of the

912
00:44:47,119 --> 00:44:50,400
series that I think are worth talking about. Two satellite

913
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,039
winners heads up in the first event, Champlain winning Railing second.

914
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:54,800
You know, we talked about that already, but just want

915
00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:57,360
to bring that home that, you know, once again, when

916
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:00,719
we have these satellites ahead of the big made your series,

917
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:03,239
you can get in there. You can play at Aria,

918
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,119
you can turn five sixty into a five K and

919
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,159
go from there. Tim and I talked at length about

920
00:45:09,159 --> 00:45:13,800
the great turnout across the events. Awesome to see breakout

921
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,840
win for breakout, high stakes win for Becker, and he

922
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,800
also challenged for the Lead award. Playing his first twenty

923
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,000
five K. Nick Sewart, his year continues to be hot.

924
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,440
He had five cashes and two final tables. At the

925
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,320
twenty twenty four Poker Masters he cashed four of the

926
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:35,239
first five events. You know, he won. He wont to bracelet.

927
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,559
Over the summer, I think he took the three K

928
00:45:37,679 --> 00:45:40,880
six Max Nolan hold him down for five hundred and something. K.

929
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,920
Had some success recently down in Florida at Seminole, won

930
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:48,519
a couple of events there, took fourth place and another one.

931
00:45:49,159 --> 00:45:50,840
Walked out of there with a lot of prize money

932
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:53,440
and then brings it to the studio for Poker Masters

933
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,239
and does very well. And you know, he's someone who

934
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,519
maybe he took a shot here and there in some

935
00:45:59,559 --> 00:46:02,760
five K before. But I think we're now going to

936
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:06,400
see a bit more of Nicholas Seward at the Poker

937
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,000
gro studio. And he's he's pretty young. He's in his twenties,

938
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,320
I believe early twenties. So be on the lookout for

939
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,920
Nicholas Seward. And then you know, we talked about the

940
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,639
players like missing the twenty five K just overall quiet

941
00:46:18,679 --> 00:46:22,440
series from the Grandeux, from Carrie Katz, Jesse Lonis, Alex Foxen.

942
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,960
You know, based on what we normally see from these players,

943
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,280
they really didn't make that much noise at all. They

944
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,320
combined between these four for six cashes for two hundred

945
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:38,679
thousand dollars, which again for them, that's pretty low. You know,

946
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:42,159
I think Foxin, I think it was Foxen had three

947
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:46,639
cashes and the other three had one cash each, So

948
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:48,840
you know, and and Foxen's cash is I mean, you

949
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:51,519
could tell, like just watching him on the streams, he

950
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:53,880
was just kind of frustrated, it seemed, with how the

951
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,920
series was going, you know, just really couldn't get anything happening.

952
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,800
Things didn't work out in his favor, et cetera. So

953
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,519
those guys a little bit down right now, but you know,

954
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:08,199
we'll obviously see big things from them going forward. As

955
00:47:08,199 --> 00:47:12,000
it pertains to the PGT leaderboard, got Jeremy Osmas still

956
00:47:12,079 --> 00:47:15,159
up on top twenty one cases. He does have zero wins,

957
00:47:15,159 --> 00:47:17,360
but twenty one cashes is a crap ton of cashes,

958
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:20,199
twenty three hundred and sixty nine points, which puts him

959
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:23,599
five hundred and thirty four points ahead of Michael Rocco,

960
00:47:23,639 --> 00:47:27,880
who is in second place. Jim Collipy he jumped up

961
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:32,119
into seventh. He's got fifteen hundred and seventy four points.

962
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:36,400
He's now very comfortable compared to last year. He went

963
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,559
from this series before the Pokemaster started, he was twenty ninth.

964
00:47:39,599 --> 00:47:41,960
He jumped up into seventh. You know, last year, Tim

965
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,159
and I already mentioned it, but he was that the

966
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,440
final event, the final series PGT Last Chance, he was

967
00:47:47,599 --> 00:47:50,480
sweating at the bar whether or not certain things would

968
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:52,159
break his way that he could get in the top

969
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:55,159
forty and then get into the PGT Championship. This year,

970
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,800
it feels like he is guaranteed to make it, I mean,

971
00:47:59,199 --> 00:48:03,599
minus a miracle, so he's very comfortable. My question to you,

972
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:08,800
we know immediately coming up we have the PGT PLO series.

973
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,800
We got super high rollable PLO. I know you worked

974
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,559
with Champions Club on a PLO series that's happening down there.

975
00:48:14,599 --> 00:48:17,360
We know Collaby can play PLO in addition to Nola

976
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:21,519
at Hold Them. Could he challenge Jeremy Osmas for the

977
00:48:21,559 --> 00:48:22,480
POY title?

978
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:27,599
Speaker 3: I think he could, But the question is will he

979
00:48:28,679 --> 00:48:32,599
really try to because you know, I would say he's

980
00:48:32,639 --> 00:48:36,920
fairly safe position wise to make the championship. Does he

981
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,360
turn down his volume like he's probably gonna play the

982
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,800
PLO series? But I'm talking more, you know, whatever other

983
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,360
series we do if we if we have this bounty series,

984
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,480
you know, we do have Last Chance on the eve of.

985
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: You know, to end the season, Like he could just

986
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,079
skip those Did.

987
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: He played Did he played Super High Rollable PLO last year?

988
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,559
Speaker 3: No? I don't think he did, so I could see

989
00:48:56,639 --> 00:48:59,000
him skipping the Last Chance if he's if he's pretty

990
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:05,199
comfortably in so I think maybe he technically could compete

991
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,440
and take on Jeremy, but I feel like he's, if anything,

992
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,880
he's probably going to wind down his volume at the

993
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,079
end of the season, especially with those no limit hold

994
00:49:13,159 --> 00:49:16,400
the events. And you know what, Jeremy's got a pretty

995
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,280
impressive lead right now, and Michael Rocco, who you know,

996
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,519
we'll see if he shows up for anything soon. He

997
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,320
could also take his foot off the gas come Last Chance.

998
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,360
If he's got a four hundred point lead, five hundred

999
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,280
point lead over whoever's second at that point, he might

1000
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,320
just skip that series and spend some time with family.

1001
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: So it's very Do you.

1002
00:49:37,320 --> 00:49:39,880
Speaker 1: Think Jeremy Osms has taken time off if?

1003
00:49:40,039 --> 00:49:43,599
Speaker 3: Yes, many people, Yeah, yeah, I think he could. He

1004
00:49:43,639 --> 00:49:47,960
could definitely do that, especially I'm talking specifically PGT Last Chance,

1005
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,440
you know where it's January tewcond to seventh ish it's

1006
00:49:51,559 --> 00:49:53,960
you know, all ten k no limit hold on events.

1007
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:54,679
Speaker 2: He's got his.

1008
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:58,119
Speaker 3: He can't do much to improve on his on his

1009
00:49:58,599 --> 00:50:02,159
standings both the lead aboard now if he's gunning for

1010
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,800
some GPI, if he's gunning for something else.

1011
00:50:04,679 --> 00:50:09,199
Speaker 1: More chips, Well, because you don't come in ce you

1012
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:10,199
come in, haven't played.

1013
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 3: Some have the same chips. Remember, we may be changing it.

1014
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,960
I'm looking at it this week. The chips might be

1015
00:50:16,039 --> 00:50:18,920
locked to position. So it doesn't matter how many points

1016
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,679
you have in first. If you're first, you have you know.

1017
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,880
It disadvantages Jeremy, but it advantages the people in those

1018
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,000
mid twenties thirties to try and ladder up a few

1019
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,639
extra spots to gain some big blinds. So we'll say

1020
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:36,000
I haven't really locked anything yet, but that's the current

1021
00:50:36,119 --> 00:50:36,800
tentative plan.

1022
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,599
Speaker 1: Some other movers on the PGT leaderboard, Jesse Lonas went

1023
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:44,320
from fourth to third. Aromzovian went from seventh to sixth.

1024
00:50:44,519 --> 00:50:47,679
Kristen Foxen, who started the year heart slipped outside of

1025
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:50,159
the top ten, is back into the top ten. She

1026
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:54,679
went twelfth to tenth, moving into the top forty. The

1027
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,920
top forty. Of course we always reference that, and just

1028
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,320
so if you are unaware, the top forty is important

1029
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,239
because the top forty players on the leaderboard, as long

1030
00:51:02,280 --> 00:51:06,079
as you have three cashes at least, then you qualify

1031
00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:09,519
for the season ending PGT Championship Million Dollar Free role,

1032
00:51:09,559 --> 00:51:13,199
which I have now renamed the PGT Million Dollar Championship. Okay,

1033
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,880
So moving into the top forty, Ben Tolleran climbs into

1034
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,960
thirty third, Shawn Winter gets into thirty seventh, Ren Lynn

1035
00:51:20,119 --> 00:51:23,840
into thirty eighth, Jonathan Little and thirty ninth, and then

1036
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:26,280
falling out of the top forty because if you have

1037
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:30,800
four additions, you're gonna have four subtractions. Joshua Adkins falls

1038
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:34,400
to forty first, Steven Chidwick falls to forty second, Breschkuten

1039
00:51:35,039 --> 00:51:39,559
falls to forty fourth, and David Eldridge drops to forty fifth.

1040
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,000
Most notably there would be Chidwick. He's somebody you could

1041
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,480
probably always bet on being in the top ten of

1042
00:51:46,519 --> 00:51:50,320
the PGT leader board. So he's going through a bit

1043
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,400
of a relocation right now. So he did skip Masters,

1044
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,159
but I would anticipate we see him for some of

1045
00:51:57,199 --> 00:52:00,559
the other stuff we have going on, and then we'll obviously,

1046
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:02,679
if you know Childwick's good enough, he's gonna put in

1047
00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,559
the volume. You know, it's just just a matter of

1048
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,360
if he's here playing then then he'll get in. So

1049
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,639
we'll see how that goes. And then we do have

1050
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,119
some some players who are still outside of the top forty,

1051
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:18,360
but did climb very nicely with some results from the

1052
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:21,079
Poker Masters where they are very much now within striking

1053
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,559
distance of that top forty. Taylor von Kriegenberg, he showed

1054
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:28,079
up played only the twenty five k right at Poker Masters,

1055
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:31,400
but he got second, so he climbs to forty third.

1056
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:35,000
Brock Wilson moved up to forty eighth, Justin Zaki climbed

1057
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:38,719
to fifty first, Jeremy Becker is now fifty fourth, and

1058
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:43,559
Michael Manchek aka Texas Mike is now fifty ninth. For you, sir,

1059
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:47,360
my question, okay, and it might be some people you

1060
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:49,760
have already mentioned on this podcast, but who are your

1061
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:54,239
biggest surprises sitting outside the top forty as things stand

1062
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:54,960
right now.

1063
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,079
Speaker 3: I guess Steven Chidwick's obviously the big one skipping poke masts.

1064
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:00,559
I think he may have skipped a cup this other

1065
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:04,840
year too, with visa issues with relocation issues.

1066
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,079
Speaker 2: So that's I guess that's a big one to me.

1067
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 3: You know, I'd also say Alex Fox and Dan Chak,

1068
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,679
Carry Kat Sam Several, Isaac Hackson, Lucky Cheery, Cris Brewer,

1069
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:21,360
these guys that put in pretty heavy volume in the studio.

1070
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:24,000
You know, things are just not breaking their way on

1071
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:26,760
the PGT right now. But there's still a lot of time,

1072
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,480
so we still have you know, they still have a chance.

1073
00:53:30,679 --> 00:53:32,719
I do want to mention, though you mentioned the top forty,

1074
00:53:33,599 --> 00:53:35,000
we do have a new rule this year. You have

1075
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:39,559
to have three PGT cashes this season. Okay, so if

1076
00:53:39,599 --> 00:53:41,320
we look at the leaderboard, we take out some of

1077
00:53:41,360 --> 00:53:44,000
these people that only have two or one cash. Now,

1078
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,239
I know, you know, for example, Jonathan Tomao World Champ

1079
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,840
has two cashes. He will be in Texas. He already

1080
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,320
understands the rules. He's going to be coming at one

1081
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:56,440
point to try and get that extra cash. But if

1082
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,599
we rule out, if we locked it right now, let's

1083
00:53:58,639 --> 00:54:01,800
pretend it's January. We get rid of everyone with one

1084
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,920
or two cashes, and I'll tell you the guys that

1085
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,440
jump back into the qualification. Steven Chidwick, he's in Taylor,

1086
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,400
Wan Kregenberg, In breck In Brock Wilson, Samoulei Sapilia, Justin Zaki,

1087
00:54:12,519 --> 00:54:16,320
Jeremy Becker, Joey Weisman, Monald Kajo, Michael Munchak, Sam Lasquitz

1088
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,960
or are in the top forty under the new rules. Obviously,

1089
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,360
we have another thirty events to go PLO series, the

1090
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,079
PLO Series in Texas some no limit hold them stuff,

1091
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:28,599
so you know there's going to be some there's some

1092
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:30,639
definitely going to be some changes. I know for a fact,

1093
00:54:30,719 --> 00:54:34,760
Joshua Adkins, who's currently forty first Big PLO Player, is

1094
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:38,159
aware of the PLO Series. It's David Eldridge, forty fifth

1095
00:54:38,199 --> 00:54:41,679
Big PLO Player, also aware of the PLO Series. They

1096
00:54:41,679 --> 00:54:44,199
both have one cash. They're sitting just outside the top forty.

1097
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:47,960
Hopefully they come to the PLO Series, get their way

1098
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,559
in and maybe push some some of the people out

1099
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,519
that are just kind of sitting on that fringe. So

1100
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,760
I do like this top three cash rule does open

1101
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,920
it up more. You know, we're looking at Sam Laskowitz's

1102
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,000
in he's currently sixtieth.

1103
00:55:00,519 --> 00:55:04,679
Speaker 1: Sorry, yeah, and there are some people within the top

1104
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:09,079
forty who don't meet that qualification yet. But I think

1105
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:12,159
would well, he'll be favorites to meet it just just

1106
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,519
talking with them and knowing that they're going to be

1107
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:16,840
playing stuff. You mentioned Jonathan Tomile, you know he's got

1108
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:20,280
two so he needs another one. But but he's aware,

1109
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,840
as you said, I know, Brian Kim is aware. He's

1110
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:27,400
also got two cashes. You know, he's been sending some

1111
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,519
messages being like, hey, you know, when's this, when's this,

1112
00:55:29,639 --> 00:55:32,039
and you know, I'm looking for my third cash, et cetera.

1113
00:55:32,159 --> 00:55:34,239
So he's someone Matthew lemb.

1114
00:55:34,199 --> 00:55:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say he played I think six

1115
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,679
of the Polo the Masters events, Pucker Masa's events, didn't

1116
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,239
get a cash, but he knows what he knows he

1117
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:45,320
needs one more so he was trying maybe.

1118
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And some of these other guys are just they're

1119
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:52,400
PLO guys, you know, So I would like Elie Nakash.

1120
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,280
He's a PLO guy, right, So you know PLO series

1121
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,320
coming up, Super high Rollable PLO, the Texas PLO series,

1122
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,360
so like you know, they can just you know, rip

1123
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,679
off a cash or two in that sort of stuff

1124
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:06,280
if they're playing that sort of stuff and then they're

1125
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:10,079
in right, So so yeah, so it's it's going to

1126
00:56:10,159 --> 00:56:12,960
be interesting to see how it all shakes out overall.

1127
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:15,719
I mean, I'm looking forward to it. You had most

1128
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:17,599
of the people I put down nine names that I

1129
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,519
was surprised or outside the top forty. You mentioned Chidwick,

1130
00:56:20,559 --> 00:56:23,760
You mentioned Fox, and you mentioned Soball, you mentioned Hackston.

1131
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:28,119
I think Liechtenberger, Chris Brewer, Carrie Katz the two that

1132
00:56:28,199 --> 00:56:30,880
I had that you didn't mention Eric Sidel sixty fifth.

1133
00:56:31,519 --> 00:56:33,519
I know he doesn't put in like the most volume

1134
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,480
on the PGT, but he always seems to perform very well.

1135
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,760
So and we obviously know Eric's Sidel is very good.

1136
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,880
The guy's a legend, so I'm just kind of surprised

1137
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,360
to see him outside the top the top forty. He's

1138
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,800
currently sixty fifth. And then Victoria Livshitz, who has put

1139
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,960
in the volume and does have you know, a handful

1140
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,360
of results, but not the biggest results, right, Like she

1141
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,159
won an event, but it was during the PGT Texas

1142
00:56:56,159 --> 00:56:58,440
poke Ropen, so not the biggest or not the most

1143
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:00,559
amount of points, so stuff like that, you know, but

1144
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:04,079
like she made the final table of the twenty five

1145
00:57:04,159 --> 00:57:06,519
k to wrap up Poker Masters. She had some results

1146
00:57:06,519 --> 00:57:09,559
there like she's she's performing well, she's putting in the volume.

1147
00:57:09,679 --> 00:57:12,199
She just needs to kind of you know, for her,

1148
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:13,800
I guess it's gonna be it's gonna be one of

1149
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:16,280
two things. Either she's gonna find a big win somehow,

1150
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,280
some way, right, like she's gonna show up to I

1151
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:20,760
don't know. Maybe it's the Bounty Series, Maybe it's Last Chance.

1152
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:24,800
Maybe she plays the NAPT Super high Roller, which does count.

1153
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,159
We're going to talk about that in a second, but

1154
00:57:26,519 --> 00:57:28,760
you know, and maybe she gets a first second or

1155
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:31,280
a third in something there and like she gets the

1156
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,760
big point toll that she needs, or for her, it's

1157
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:35,760
just going to be a volume game, right, you know,

1158
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,760
she's going to have five to ten more cases and

1159
00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,960
just add up the points and then get in that way.

1160
00:57:41,039 --> 00:57:44,960
So I would expect you see a fair amount of

1161
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,480
these these players get into the top forty. But but

1162
00:57:47,599 --> 00:57:49,800
of course, you know, you never know at the end

1163
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,360
of the day. So you know, as always, Tim and

1164
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:55,280
I will keep an eye on that. And then I

1165
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:01,400
did tease it the NAPT Las Vegas turning to Resorts World.

1166
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,719
So the twenty twenty four Poker Masters had a partnership

1167
00:58:04,719 --> 00:58:07,320
this year has a partnership this year where it's presented

1168
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:12,320
by the Poker Stars NAPT That allowed for the winner

1169
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:14,639
of the Poker Masters and that is Jim Collopy. He

1170
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,079
picked up a gold pass which was again valued at

1171
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:20,400
ten thousand dollars. It includes a fifty three hundred dollars

1172
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:23,559
buy in to the napt Las Vegas Main Event, up

1173
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:26,159
to seven nights of a hotel accommodations at Resorts World,

1174
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:28,920
and then eighteen hundred dollars in expense money. So Collopy

1175
00:58:29,079 --> 00:58:31,679
was able to pick that up in addition to the

1176
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:36,239
Purple Jacket and the twenty five KPGT passport bonus. November

1177
00:58:36,239 --> 00:58:40,079
one through tenth at Resorts World is when napt Las

1178
00:58:40,199 --> 00:58:43,760
Vegas returns. I'm a fan of the time slot much

1179
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,639
earlier than f one, which the construction has started. It's

1180
00:58:46,639 --> 00:58:48,280
a bit of a mess out there. It's a bit

1181
00:58:48,320 --> 00:58:50,840
of a mess out there on this Vegas strip. This

1182
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:53,960
year's buying for the napt Las Vegas Main Event fifty

1183
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:56,519
three hundred dollars. Last year, Remember Tim and I had

1184
00:58:56,519 --> 00:58:59,280
a lot of thoughts on this. Sixteen hundred and fifty

1185
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:01,880
was the buy I had a one point five million

1186
00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:06,840
dollar guarantee, so big increase very much in line with

1187
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,440
with two things. One, it's in line with what the

1188
00:59:09,480 --> 00:59:12,159
old NAPT used to do, you know, before it went

1189
00:59:12,159 --> 00:59:15,159
away for several years. And it's also in line with

1190
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,079
the EPT you know, fifty three hundred dollars like that's

1191
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,199
right in line. The guarantee doubled from fifteen hundred up

1192
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:25,039
to three million dollars. What are your thoughts on the

1193
00:59:25,039 --> 00:59:28,199
buying going up and the guarantee now being three mil.

1194
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 3: I think that you know, you're the biggest advocate for

1195
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:36,320
the five K buying price point, and I think there's.

1196
00:59:36,119 --> 00:59:38,679
Speaker 1: Just a void. There's a void there in the US market.

1197
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,239
I will I will die on this hill, even though

1198
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,599
many people disagree with me. Some people say, you know,

1199
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,280
thirty five hundred dollars is the correct price point? Whatever,

1200
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:50,079
I think the five K there is a market for this,

1201
00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:53,079
and maybe the PGT should be involved.

1202
00:59:53,159 --> 00:59:55,639
Speaker 3: But this is definitely a market because you've got people

1203
00:59:55,679 --> 00:59:58,320
that play you know, fifteen hundreds, et cetera, that can

1204
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:00,599
take that would take a shot, you know, the three K.

1205
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,840
There's not much difference for people that play the highest

1206
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,679
off the ten k's five K is I step down,

1207
01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:11,280
but there's bigger fields bigger value there, so I think

1208
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:13,920
it is a good price point. It's perfect for this event.

1209
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,639
Three million seems about right. Obviously, this is their first

1210
01:00:18,679 --> 01:00:21,119
shot out of five k, so we'll see where the

1211
01:00:21,159 --> 01:00:23,480
guarantee falls in line with how many players show up.

1212
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:27,639
Speaker 1: Well they are. They are awarding I think upwards of

1213
01:00:27,639 --> 01:00:31,960
one hundred gold passes, so you'll get one hundred quote

1214
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:36,039
unquote qualifiers via the gold passes to get into this event,

1215
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:37,639
so you'll you'll have that to banker.

1216
01:00:37,519 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 3: They need what six hundred ish entrance or another five

1217
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:44,320
hundred outside of the goal pass winners. I think it's

1218
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:46,920
a great price point. I will not be part taking.

1219
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:49,199
It's a little out of my budget, but for the

1220
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,280
I will be.

1221
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: They got my money, and I'm far from you. I

1222
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:55,920
will be on poker steak dot com.

1223
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: Let me rephrase this, which I'm pretty.

1224
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 1: I actually listed the events last night, so they are

1225
01:01:01,159 --> 01:01:02,800
which you can also do, sir, And you could play

1226
01:01:02,800 --> 01:01:03,800
for ten percent of yourself in.

1227
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:07,199
Speaker 3: The play and that's why you'll find me in tonight.

1228
01:01:07,199 --> 01:01:10,440
It's two hundred dollars south point. Notly, you're just a

1229
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:13,519
much better poker player than me, and I have I

1230
01:01:13,559 --> 01:01:17,559
have finally realized that my my max is like one K.

1231
01:01:18,159 --> 01:01:21,960
Unless it's like the WSP main event. I'm just gonna

1232
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,719
play within my bubble. I don't want to try and

1233
01:01:23,719 --> 01:01:25,239
get better. I just want to play. I just want

1234
01:01:25,239 --> 01:01:26,079
to enjoy myself.

1235
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Like, I'm not going to out

1236
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:31,960
go out there and fire every single five K under

1237
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,960
the sun. I'm not there yet and I'm not comfortable

1238
01:01:35,079 --> 01:01:38,119
in doing that. I'm not confident in my own play

1239
01:01:38,199 --> 01:01:43,039
doing that yet. But there are exceptions to the rule,

1240
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:47,119
Like I think this event will draw a very good field,

1241
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:49,199
a very valuable field that I'm willing to take a

1242
01:01:49,199 --> 01:01:51,840
shot here, right like when when you have a five

1243
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,119
K with a three million dollar guarantee. It's in Las Vegas,

1244
01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:59,800
it's got Poker Stars in the napt branding, it obviously

1245
01:01:59,840 --> 01:02:03,159
has as a qualifier funnel both through satellites on the

1246
01:02:03,159 --> 01:02:06,519
Poker Stars platforms that are available most notably Michigan, New

1247
01:02:06,599 --> 01:02:09,400
Jersey and Pennsylvania, and then also the gold Pass element

1248
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,360
to things, you know, Like, I think there's gonna be

1249
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:15,079
enough value there that I can take a shot in

1250
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,639
this field, you know, So just like just like I'll

1251
01:02:17,639 --> 01:02:19,320
take a shot in the WSP main event, just like

1252
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,639
I'll take a shot in, you know, the WPT World Championship.

1253
01:02:22,679 --> 01:02:25,599
Like these would be my three biggest buy ins of

1254
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:29,639
the year. I just I think that they're they're good value,

1255
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,800
you know, out of those, Out of these three, the

1256
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,800
toughest I would say is probably the WPT World Championship,

1257
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:40,440
then the NAPT Las Vegas main event, then the WSFP

1258
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:41,039
Maine event.

1259
01:02:41,159 --> 01:02:41,360
Speaker 5: You know.

1260
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,719
Speaker 1: But for people like maybe you or others out there,

1261
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,039
there are a bunch of other events. There's a five

1262
01:02:49,119 --> 01:02:51,440
hundred fifty dollars Mystery Bounty, it has a three hundred

1263
01:02:51,480 --> 01:02:54,119
K guarantee. There's a five hundred and fifty dollars NAPT

1264
01:02:54,320 --> 01:02:57,800
Cup also has a three hundred K guarantee. Yeah, there's

1265
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,519
an eleven hundred dollars run good Open, four hundred K

1266
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:03,920
guarantee in that one. So you know, there are a

1267
01:03:03,920 --> 01:03:06,159
bunch of options. I know, there's I think there's a

1268
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,199
five hundred fifty dollars maybe it's five hundred, I don't

1269
01:03:09,199 --> 01:03:11,960
know the price point exactly, but Heroes event. There's also

1270
01:03:12,000 --> 01:03:14,480
a five to fifty eight game event, right, So, like

1271
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:17,280
there's a lot of stuff on the schedule. There's a

1272
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:18,920
I think there's a two hundred and fifty dollars event

1273
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:22,360
three sixty maybe on there. So there's there's stuff for everyone.

1274
01:03:22,599 --> 01:03:25,760
On the higher end of things, the twenty five thousand

1275
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:28,519
dollars Super high Roller and the ten thousand, three hundred

1276
01:03:28,519 --> 01:03:32,000
dollars high Roller are both now again in partnership with

1277
01:03:32,239 --> 01:03:35,480
Poker gro and the Poker Stars n APT Those two

1278
01:03:35,480 --> 01:03:39,519
events are PGT qualifying events, so you know, likely going

1279
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:44,119
to get plenty of our players firing. I mean, they're

1280
01:03:44,159 --> 01:03:46,519
likely going to fire into the fifty three hundred dollars anyway,

1281
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,559
you know. So now maybe they take that shot in

1282
01:03:49,639 --> 01:03:52,239
these two events as well. You know, somebody like a

1283
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:55,119
like a Jeremy Becker for example, who now you know,

1284
01:03:55,159 --> 01:03:57,400
popped his cherry playing his first ever twenty five K.

1285
01:03:57,679 --> 01:03:59,800
Maybe we see him play this twenty five K as well,

1286
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:03,440
you know, stuff like that, Especially somebody like a Jeremy Becker,

1287
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,880
where you know, as Tim and I just talked about,

1288
01:04:06,119 --> 01:04:08,639
is right outside the top forty looking in, so if

1289
01:04:08,639 --> 01:04:11,400
he can get points, it benefits him. So you know,

1290
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:14,400
with these players, you know, making the push to make

1291
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:17,239
that top forty and make the million dollar championship at

1292
01:04:17,239 --> 01:04:21,000
the end of the PGT season. They volume helps, so

1293
01:04:21,559 --> 01:04:22,840
I would think that you're going to get a lot

1294
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,079
of these people that do get into the ten thousand,

1295
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:28,039
three hund dollars high Roller and the twenty five thousand

1296
01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:30,280
dollars Super high Roller. So those are on the schedule

1297
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,360
for NAPT Las Vegas. I think they have I think

1298
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,360
if you include the qualifiers that they have to the

1299
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,920
various tournaments, there's like thirty six events, which is more

1300
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:42,920
than they had last year. So I'm very much looking

1301
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:46,280
forward to this series. I can't wait. I heard it's

1302
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,559
in a new ballroom.

1303
01:04:47,199 --> 01:04:49,039
Speaker 2: By the way, as in upstairs.

1304
01:04:49,440 --> 01:04:52,079
Speaker 1: I'm assuming, yeah, yeah, I just think it's in a

1305
01:04:52,239 --> 01:04:54,199
different ballroom. That's what I heard. I mean, I don't

1306
01:04:54,239 --> 01:04:55,880
know even if it's in the same ballom, it doesn't matter.

1307
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,159
That place was awesome, you know. I'm just I'm just

1308
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:00,480
saying that that, like even that it's not like they're

1309
01:05:00,639 --> 01:05:04,760
they're upgrading. So so yeah, so it sounds like you

1310
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:06,960
and I will both be there playing in some capacity.

1311
01:05:08,199 --> 01:05:11,039
I can't wait. I think it's gonna be fun. I

1312
01:05:11,079 --> 01:05:12,840
think it's gonna be a good, a really good series.

1313
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,480
So that's a NAPT Las Vegas November first through tenth

1314
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,119
at Resorts World, just down the street from where we

1315
01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:22,679
normally are at the Poker Growth Studio. PokerStars Live dot

1316
01:05:22,719 --> 01:05:25,920
com slash NAPT slash Las Vegas, if you guys want

1317
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,079
to check out the schedule, and then also you need

1318
01:05:28,119 --> 01:05:31,159
to remind everyone who's in Michigan, New Jersey and Pennsylvania

1319
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:35,360
to keep your eyes posted to the Poker Stars lobby

1320
01:05:35,519 --> 01:05:39,400
for qualifiers, for opportunities to win NAPT gold passes and

1321
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,599
all of that good stuff. Keeping it in the same

1322
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:47,960
vein with Poker Stars. Gonna head over the pond to

1323
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:53,800
recap EPT Barcelona, which the main event was another freaking banger.

1324
01:05:54,159 --> 01:06:00,960
Barcelona just crushes every single year. Stevensong one of our

1325
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,960
goats one the EPT Barcelona main event for one million

1326
01:06:05,960 --> 01:06:08,519
at two hundred and ninety thousand euros which is one

1327
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:12,000
million fourn twenty five thousand dollars. He chopped it heads

1328
01:06:12,079 --> 01:06:14,960
up with Andrew Hume I believe is the player's name.

1329
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:17,360
They chopped it heads up. A song ended up coming

1330
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,599
out on top nineteen hundred and seventy five entries in

1331
01:06:20,639 --> 01:06:24,519
this main event five k euro price points. They had

1332
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:28,760
massive field in the estrellas like championship event that they

1333
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:31,480
do there, all the high rollers show out well. I mean,

1334
01:06:31,519 --> 01:06:35,360
it's just Barcelona. This Barcelona stop is one of the best.

1335
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:38,559
If you, you know, are forwarded the opportunity to be

1336
01:06:38,239 --> 01:06:40,599
able to go there, I would highly encourage you to

1337
01:06:40,599 --> 01:06:43,159
do so. It's in a great location, great time of year,

1338
01:06:43,199 --> 01:06:47,800
the casinos one hundred feet from the beach. The fields

1339
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:52,079
are tremendous value. You know, it always does extremely well

1340
01:06:52,119 --> 01:06:55,920
in terms of drawing like more recreational players. Doesn't matter

1341
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,840
to the buy in. It could be a five point

1342
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,559
fifty euro it could be the hunter k doesn't matter.

1343
01:07:00,599 --> 01:07:01,920
You're going to get a lot of recks in there

1344
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:06,119
that are blasting away, so tremendous value overall. Stephen Song

1345
01:07:06,559 --> 01:07:10,920
is what the greatest big field MTT player ever, not

1346
01:07:11,039 --> 01:07:17,039
one of I mean just some highlights from from Song's

1347
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,360
career and I guess you know right before EBT Barcelona

1348
01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:24,440
has a super deep run on the wu Maniement this year,

1349
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:29,519
you know, speaking of big field MTTs twenty nineteen at

1350
01:07:29,559 --> 01:07:33,039
EPT Barcelona coincidentally a twenty two hundred euro Nolan at

1351
01:07:33,039 --> 01:07:36,239
hold Them he won it topped five hundred ninety nine

1352
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,559
entries there one hundred and eighty five thousand euro or

1353
01:07:38,599 --> 01:07:41,840
two hundred and five thousand dollars same year, twenty nineteen

1354
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,280
first place out of twenty four hundred and seventy seven

1355
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:48,119
entries in a WSP. I believe this was a one

1356
01:07:48,199 --> 01:07:50,800
K event, three hundred and forty one thousand dollars for Song.

1357
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,480
Twenty two w twenty twenty two WSP five thousand dollars

1358
01:07:54,519 --> 01:07:57,159
six max. At the WSP nine hundred and twenty entries,

1359
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:00,320
Song got second for four hundred and seventy six thousand dollars.

1360
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:06,920
The WPT Prime Championship in twenty twenty two, five thy

1361
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,400
four hundred and thirty entries, Song won it all for

1362
01:08:10,679 --> 01:08:13,239
seven hundred and twelve thousand dollars, and then twenty twenty

1363
01:08:13,239 --> 01:08:16,760
three the WSB Circuit event in Chicago, seventeen hundred dollars

1364
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,680
main event, Song first out of six hundred and fifty

1365
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:22,359
two entries for one hundred and eighty three thousand dollars.

1366
01:08:22,520 --> 01:08:25,560
Song is an absolute crusher. There is a reason why

1367
01:08:26,199 --> 01:08:28,800
Matt Clark and I draft him in twenty five K

1368
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,680
Fantasy and hopefully we get the opportunity to do it again.

1369
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:36,279
Although people might becoming wise to mister song the field

1370
01:08:36,279 --> 01:08:39,680
bonus king our goat. As I mentioned, the guy is

1371
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,920
just a freaking crusher. If he's able to get a

1372
01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:46,680
hold of chips in a big field tournament. I mean

1373
01:08:46,720 --> 01:08:49,119
it's like good luck to the rest of the field, really, right,

1374
01:08:49,159 --> 01:08:52,640
I mean, like, how does he rank to you in

1375
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,720
terms of a big field MTT crusher?

1376
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 3: I mean these results just speak for themselves, right, He's

1377
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,840
an absolute base. Who can we talk about that currently

1378
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:05,720
plays such high volume, that does this Like he used

1379
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:07,399
to be dominating the sky, but he doesn't play that

1380
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,279
much anymore. So, I mean he may have Stevensung may

1381
01:09:11,319 --> 01:09:13,760
have the hand on the crown right now, maybe just

1382
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:14,560
about to put it on.

1383
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:15,600
Speaker 2: I'm not sure who else.

1384
01:09:15,640 --> 01:09:18,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say Adrian Matteos, but he's kind of

1385
01:09:18,159 --> 01:09:19,600
pushed to hy rollers now, so.

1386
01:09:21,119 --> 01:09:25,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean somebody that sticks out is Joe McKeon,

1387
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:28,680
has has crushed in big fields over the years, obviously

1388
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:30,600
be main event winner and has crushed a bunch of

1389
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:34,760
other stuff. Darren Elias just with all the WPT toils.

1390
01:09:34,800 --> 01:09:37,520
The wpts are big fields, right, I mean Darren won

1391
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,960
some small wpts as well. He won one in the

1392
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:42,159
Caribbean that was really small, and he won one at

1393
01:09:42,199 --> 01:09:45,319
Aria that was on the smaller side. But he's also

1394
01:09:45,399 --> 01:09:50,399
crushed in big fields plenty of times. More recently, probably

1395
01:09:50,399 --> 01:09:54,319
Andrew Moreno comes to mind. You know, he had obviously

1396
01:09:54,359 --> 01:09:57,199
the huge breakout victory for him when he won the

1397
01:09:57,279 --> 01:09:59,600
WPT or sorry it wasn't a WPT, he won the

1398
01:09:59,600 --> 01:10:03,399
win millions, and then you know, he just continues to

1399
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,119
crush in really anything that has a massive field. So

1400
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:11,079
there's him, Brian Altman like always seems to does it.

1401
01:10:11,079 --> 01:10:13,159
I feel like anytime there's a WPT here, there's a

1402
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,319
big event at Seminole or whatever it is, you know,

1403
01:10:15,319 --> 01:10:18,399
Brian even w CB circuit stuff like Brian Altman is

1404
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,560
in the mix, you know. So so yeah, you know

1405
01:10:21,640 --> 01:10:26,119
there's there's all those guys. But I I still think

1406
01:10:26,159 --> 01:10:28,199
like out of all those people that we mentioned, I mean,

1407
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:31,239
songs on top, I'd probably have to dive in a

1408
01:10:31,279 --> 01:10:33,680
little bit further and like really break it down, but

1409
01:10:35,520 --> 01:10:38,039
I mean song seems like the guy right, And it's

1410
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:42,520
just it's incredible to with how much variance there is

1411
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,960
in poker tournaments. And then you add in the fact

1412
01:10:45,960 --> 01:10:49,039
that when you get to hundreds, if not thousands of

1413
01:10:49,079 --> 01:10:52,680
players in the field, like the variance that is then added,

1414
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:55,560
like it's just wild that he's able to continue to

1415
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,399
crush at such a high level. And it it it

1416
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,039
sounds like like from what I saw that he'll be

1417
01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,279
at n APT Las Vegas. He listed i think on

1418
01:11:05,359 --> 01:11:08,000
poker Steake the twenty five k super high Roller and

1419
01:11:08,039 --> 01:11:10,560
the ten K high Roller and then he's probably just

1420
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,640
gonna play the five k on his own of course,

1421
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:16,039
so he'll be there for that and maybe we see

1422
01:11:17,439 --> 01:11:22,800
you know, some more PGT related stuff even time you

1423
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:24,840
tell me you're the commissioner. I mean, he had the

1424
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,119
deep run in the main event, right.

1425
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 3: Just lost series, So yeah, he's that's pretty far out,

1426
01:11:30,680 --> 01:11:33,520
but I mean just takes a couple of results, you

1427
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:37,159
back in contention, you know, well we're we're one hundred

1428
01:11:37,239 --> 01:11:41,680
and sixty seventh, but he's like four hundred points out

1429
01:11:41,720 --> 01:11:45,680
of like being in that that qualifying tier of forty

1430
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:46,560
eligible players.

1431
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:50,560
Speaker 1: So so I mean it could if he's if he's

1432
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:53,760
able to put up some results at this at n

1433
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:55,720
APT Las Vegas, if he's playing the twenty five k

1434
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:57,640
in the ten k, like if he can find you know,

1435
01:11:57,680 --> 01:12:00,359
a decent cash in one, if not both of those events,

1436
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:02,800
like that'll be a nice little boost and then you

1437
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,560
go from there, right, So what else we got? Oh

1438
01:12:05,640 --> 01:12:11,279
abt Barcelona game integrity rule changes. So heading into the series,

1439
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,159
I know Kenny Hollard who has worked with Poker Stars before.

1440
01:12:14,199 --> 01:12:16,279
I'm not sure if he still like officially works with them,

1441
01:12:16,279 --> 01:12:20,159
but anyway, he put on Twitter slash acts no use

1442
01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,960
of gto solver slash charts are similar anywhere in the

1443
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,880
whole tournament area at any time, also not for spectators.

1444
01:12:27,520 --> 01:12:32,399
And then from the Poker Stars tournament rules it says

1445
01:12:32,399 --> 01:12:34,920
players are not permitted to use at the table or

1446
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,239
anywhere in the tournament room area at any time. Game

1447
01:12:38,439 --> 01:12:43,840
theory optimal in then parenthese's gto solver software GTO charts,

1448
01:12:44,199 --> 01:12:47,720
whether used on electronic devices or otherwise, or any AI

1449
01:12:47,960 --> 01:12:51,840
tool or similar algorithmic software that is capable of affording

1450
01:12:52,319 --> 01:12:55,319
the user a competitive advantage in the tournament. That is

1451
01:12:55,359 --> 01:12:58,760
an absolute mouthful of a sentence and needs like seventeen

1452
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:03,680
commas and they're not there. We also don't allow any

1453
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:06,800
spectator to make any use of electronic devices with solvers

1454
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,560
inside the poker tournament area. So it seems like the

1455
01:13:11,279 --> 01:13:17,239
Poker Stars and more specifically the EPT is the first

1456
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,039
to like really take a crack at this in terms

1457
01:13:20,079 --> 01:13:26,600
of like putting it on their books. I mean, I

1458
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:29,000
still have questions. I would I you know, my first

1459
01:13:29,079 --> 01:13:31,600
question would be like, well, what's the penalty, right? I mean,

1460
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:34,359
is it is it one hand? Is it are you?

1461
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,479
Are you warned first? Is it a hand? Is it

1462
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:38,279
a full round? Are you kicked out of the tournament?

1463
01:13:38,359 --> 01:13:41,359
I mean I don't, I don't know, so I guess

1464
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:45,600
TBD on that and unless there was stuff that I

1465
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,840
just haven't seen yet. So there's that. And then I

1466
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:53,600
just I wonder about the language that just says when

1467
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:56,600
it says tournament area. And I always cite the win

1468
01:13:56,720 --> 01:13:59,479
with this because I play there a lot and I

1469
01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,720
know the situation as the floor is laid out, the

1470
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:06,880
tournament floor, which is now right outside the poker room,

1471
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,359
like it's on the carpet, which gaming floors are on

1472
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,279
the carpet, like literally five feet from the edge of

1473
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:17,760
the tables, there's tile and that's a walkway, and like

1474
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,439
you know, they always say that like on the tiles

1475
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,680
that's where like the kids can walk. But on the carpet.

1476
01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:24,560
The kids can't go on the carpet, right, So it's like,

1477
01:14:25,119 --> 01:14:27,199
is so is in like that case, is it that

1478
01:14:27,319 --> 01:14:29,640
close that I can just walk three feet one direction

1479
01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,680
and be quote unquote outside of the tournament area? So

1480
01:14:33,199 --> 01:14:35,640
I'm I don't know. Or is it like when you

1481
01:14:35,720 --> 01:14:38,840
walk into the casino you can't be on your phone?

1482
01:14:38,880 --> 01:14:40,800
Like I mean, you know, it's like I have I

1483
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:45,119
have questions there? So yeah, I mean, how what do

1484
01:14:45,159 --> 01:14:47,079
you think you're you're a little bit more I guess

1485
01:14:47,079 --> 01:14:48,680
in these streets, you know, you deal with all the

1486
01:14:48,680 --> 01:14:52,279
PGT stuff and whatnot. You talk to the players a

1487
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:53,960
bit more. So what are your thoughts?

1488
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:55,680
Speaker 3: I feel like the way it's written is a little vague.

1489
01:14:55,680 --> 01:14:59,680
You mentioned what is the tournament area? Is that technically

1490
01:14:59,720 --> 01:15:02,279
could be the entire casino, could be the car park, right,

1491
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,399
you need to find that a little better. What is

1492
01:15:05,479 --> 01:15:09,800
game theory? Optimal solver software? I might argue that I

1493
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,439
learn a lot on Instagram. So if I feel like

1494
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:17,439
Instagram is has gto stuff. If I'm following gto Wizard

1495
01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,800
on Instagram and they're putting out pictures with chart examples,

1496
01:15:21,319 --> 01:15:25,560
you know, then if I is that GTO solver software.

1497
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:30,520
It's just really open to interpretation. The biggest issue I

1498
01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:33,000
have with all of these things is always how do

1499
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:36,479
you police it? You know, are you hiring people, are

1500
01:15:36,520 --> 01:15:39,079
you expecting the dealers, are you expecting the floors. If

1501
01:15:39,119 --> 01:15:42,039
I'm sitting next to you and you're on GTO with It,

1502
01:15:42,039 --> 01:15:44,079
I'm going to call you out right, But habit, if

1503
01:15:44,119 --> 01:15:47,760
you're on you're checking your budget your family budget on

1504
01:15:47,800 --> 01:15:51,319
Google ducs, or you're checking your GTO charts on Google ducks,

1505
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:53,520
am I just going to call the floor over like hey,

1506
01:15:53,520 --> 01:15:57,239
for he's cheating? You know, Like it just it opens

1507
01:15:57,319 --> 01:16:00,920
up so many issues, and like, yeah, if it could

1508
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:03,479
work perfectly, if there was if it was able to

1509
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,640
be easily policed, I'd be all for it. But personally, like,

1510
01:16:07,119 --> 01:16:09,159
if this comes up on the PGT and you know what,

1511
01:16:09,239 --> 01:16:12,560
it hasn't because we still see people looking at the stuff.

1512
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:17,720
And I have no issues with people using you know,

1513
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:22,760
any solvers, any anything to help them get better, because

1514
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:24,960
I think it's a fair plan and even playing field.

1515
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:27,800
Everyone can sign up to OCTUPI, they can sign up

1516
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,319
to GTO with It, they can sign up to Pilo Mastermind.

1517
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,960
You know, everyone has the equal chance to do this.

1518
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:36,279
I would just say the easiest rule is, you know,

1519
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:39,640
no phone usage while you have a lie while you're

1520
01:16:39,680 --> 01:16:41,520
in a hand like a live hand. And that even

1521
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:44,319
needs to finding because you know when the cards are

1522
01:16:44,319 --> 01:16:47,279
getting dealt out technically your hands live, but you might

1523
01:16:47,279 --> 01:16:49,520
be sending a text message or checking something. I think

1524
01:16:49,520 --> 01:16:52,119
that's fine. It's when you're committing chips to a part

1525
01:16:52,119 --> 01:16:54,960
when you're playing a hand, you shouldn't be able to

1526
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,720
look at your phone. In case this chart, that's an

1527
01:16:56,760 --> 01:16:58,640
easy way to police it. I don't think you need

1528
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:00,640
to get up. I think you can sitting your seat

1529
01:17:00,640 --> 01:17:02,600
and look at gto Wizard as long as you're out

1530
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:06,079
of a hand. So that's how I would enforce it.

1531
01:17:06,119 --> 01:17:08,720
On the PGT. We haven't really had anything come up recently,

1532
01:17:10,119 --> 01:17:12,079
but that's how that's my approach to it.

1533
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think it's just it's gonna be

1534
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:21,159
something that needs to be continually ironed out, you know,

1535
01:17:21,239 --> 01:17:22,640
and like the rules are going to need to be

1536
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,399
molded however people want to mold those going forward. I

1537
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:28,319
did just want to bring this up as it relates

1538
01:17:28,359 --> 01:17:30,000
to you know, Poker Stars and the EPT because it

1539
01:17:30,039 --> 01:17:32,159
does seem like they're the first to kind of take

1540
01:17:32,159 --> 01:17:37,279
a crack at some new verbiage in terms of this rule.

1541
01:17:38,119 --> 01:17:42,239
I mean, the EPT is I think, always at the

1542
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:46,800
forefront of everything in many cases, and sometimes it works,

1543
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,720
sometimes it doesn't. And I only say that because you know,

1544
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,960
for example, was it first card off the deck? Seemed

1545
01:17:53,000 --> 01:17:56,439
like a total disaster back in the day. But you know,

1546
01:17:56,840 --> 01:17:59,359
like there's stuff like that. But you know, if they

1547
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,880
feel like it's in the in the the benefit of

1548
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:05,319
the game and the players, then then I think they're

1549
01:18:05,359 --> 01:18:07,600
going to try it, and we can sit here on

1550
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:09,680
the sidelines and see how it works out. You know,

1551
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,000
I don't I agree with you that I don't think

1552
01:18:12,039 --> 01:18:15,720
it's an issue in our PGT events, But that's also

1553
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:17,600
not to say that it might not become an issue

1554
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:20,720
at some point. So you know, worth worth monitoring, worth

1555
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,159
you know, staying up to date. But but yeah, well

1556
01:18:23,159 --> 01:18:25,000
we'll see how this this plays out, and we'll see

1557
01:18:25,039 --> 01:18:29,199
if you know, other big tour operators World Poker Tour,

1558
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:34,159
wsp et cetera, adopt you know, similar stances, similar language

1559
01:18:34,479 --> 01:18:37,239
as we see on on the EPT with this sort

1560
01:18:37,239 --> 01:18:39,520
of stuff, maybe you know it's going to take a

1561
01:18:39,560 --> 01:18:42,079
few iterations of the language of the ruling from the

1562
01:18:42,079 --> 01:18:44,960
EPT to kind of get their their final you know,

1563
01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:48,159
hardened stance on where everything is, and we'll see how

1564
01:18:48,199 --> 01:18:50,079
that goes. Obviously, this is going to be a talking

1565
01:18:50,119 --> 01:18:53,600
point heading into next summer, next World Series of Poker,

1566
01:18:53,640 --> 01:18:55,520
because this all blew up as a result of the

1567
01:18:55,520 --> 01:19:00,159
World Series of Boger. I guess if you're the WSOP specifically,

1568
01:19:00,239 --> 01:19:04,680
and your officials there, like the the one kind of

1569
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,439
saving grace that you have is that it happened right

1570
01:19:08,479 --> 01:19:10,039
at the end of your series and you didn't have

1571
01:19:10,079 --> 01:19:12,039
to deal with it, like in the moment. You can

1572
01:19:12,239 --> 01:19:15,880
take a breath, sit back and see how things play out,

1573
01:19:16,039 --> 01:19:19,840
have longer conversations, be an observer of what places like

1574
01:19:19,880 --> 01:19:22,720
the EPTR are doing with these rule changes, and then

1575
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:28,079
craft your messaging your rulings entering next summer so that

1576
01:19:28,159 --> 01:19:30,479
benefits them. They can they can just chill out and

1577
01:19:30,479 --> 01:19:32,199
be like, Okay, let's see how this works out. Let's

1578
01:19:32,199 --> 01:19:34,159
see how that works out. Let's talk to the operators,

1579
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,600
get some thoughts and opinions, and then and then we'll

1580
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:39,760
talk about things. But because this was such a big

1581
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:43,279
deal coming out of the main event, thewas Man event

1582
01:19:43,319 --> 01:19:47,560
this year. Then I think, you know, coming into next summer,

1583
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,520
while it's it's it's died down on the w SP

1584
01:19:50,600 --> 01:19:53,199
front right now, it's going to rear its head once again.

1585
01:19:53,239 --> 01:19:53,399
Speaker 2: You know.

1586
01:19:53,399 --> 01:19:54,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people are going to bring

1587
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:56,920
it up, like, oh hey, how about the rules? Is

1588
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:58,560
this going to be addressed? You know, we're a week

1589
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:01,119
out from the WSP. Is this what's the rule here?

1590
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,680
So we'll see how that all goes. So part of

1591
01:20:04,720 --> 01:20:07,880
this is just stay tuned and we'll talk about it

1592
01:20:07,880 --> 01:20:10,479
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1601
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:43,960
announces dates. But I thought they already announced dates, So

1602
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:47,479
so the WPT on September sixteenth, So a couple of

1603
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:52,760
days ago announced the specific dates for the four big

1604
01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:56,800
events at the WPT World Championship. They announced that the

1605
01:20:56,920 --> 01:21:00,520
WPT World Championship, that is the ten four an event,

1606
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:04,680
will take place December fourteenth through twenty first, the WPT

1607
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:10,359
Prime Championship December eighth through fourteenth, the Ladies Championship December

1608
01:21:10,399 --> 01:21:13,600
fourteenth through fifteenth, and then the Seniors Championship will take

1609
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:18,840
place December eighteenth through nineteenth. Back on April fourth, several

1610
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,439
months ago, they announced that the WPT World Championship would

1611
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:27,359
take over Las Vegas at WIN Las Vegas from December

1612
01:21:27,399 --> 01:21:30,560
third through twenty third, so December third through twenty third

1613
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,760
of the overall series dates and then I just outlined

1614
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:36,560
the specific dates for those four tournaments. They also included

1615
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:39,159
in the messaging that the full schedule will be announced

1616
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:44,319
in one week, so next to Monday or Tuesday. Yeah,

1617
01:21:44,319 --> 01:21:49,520
we're getting the full schedule. Obviously. The big thought here

1618
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:54,000
is that or is how does this align with Dobasipy

1619
01:21:54,039 --> 01:21:58,720
Paradise Wasipy Paradise If everyone remembers December sixth through nineteenth,

1620
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:04,279
the two biggest events as it would pertain to conflict

1621
01:22:04,319 --> 01:22:06,760
with the WPT World Championship are the twenty five thousand

1622
01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:10,159
dollars Super Main Event and the ten thousand dollars GG

1623
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:13,760
Millions Championship. The Super Main Event that is, of course,

1624
01:22:14,279 --> 01:22:17,880
the event that has the fifty million dollars guaranteed prize pool,

1625
01:22:18,119 --> 01:22:21,479
that takes place December twelfth through nineteenth. If you look

1626
01:22:21,479 --> 01:22:23,479
on WSP dot com, you can see that that has

1627
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,399
four starting flights across December twelfth through fifteenth. And then

1628
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:30,199
you have the ten thousand dollars GG Millions Championship that

1629
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,159
has a five million dollar guarantee and that takes place

1630
01:22:33,239 --> 01:22:37,920
December sixteenth through nineteenth, and there are four flights across

1631
01:22:38,039 --> 01:22:43,199
December sixteenth through eighteenth, so a little bit of overlap there.

1632
01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:48,720
It does look to me that the WBT did time

1633
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,880
it where you could play the Super main Event and

1634
01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:58,039
if you bomb out on all the starting flights, or

1635
01:22:58,079 --> 01:22:59,800
maybe even if you bust out on day two, you

1636
01:22:59,800 --> 01:23:03,359
can still hop on a plan and get back. But

1637
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:07,359
we don't know the like if they're doing two flights,

1638
01:23:07,359 --> 01:23:10,399
three flights, four flights, whatever they're doing for the WPT

1639
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,239
World Championship. So it does look like, you know, the

1640
01:23:13,319 --> 01:23:16,880
WPT is kind of aligning there. So we'll see. I mean,

1641
01:23:17,119 --> 01:23:18,800
what do you think? What are your thoughts?

1642
01:23:18,880 --> 01:23:21,239
Speaker 3: Kind of initially, obviously we don't know what the guarantee

1643
01:23:21,279 --> 01:23:23,600
of the World Championship main event is, right.

1644
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:25,479
Speaker 2: WPT could it be?

1645
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: And I'll get that next.

1646
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna I'm gonna bet a lot of money

1647
01:23:31,880 --> 01:23:34,520
that it's more than the five million of the ten

1648
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:39,039
KGG millions Championship. So if you're a poker player, would

1649
01:23:39,079 --> 01:23:40,920
you rather play a five million dollar guarantee of enn

1650
01:23:40,960 --> 01:23:44,199
for ten k or a potentially forty million dollar event

1651
01:23:44,239 --> 01:23:46,840
for ten k? I'm probably gonna go with the forty million.

1652
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:49,840
I'm now looking at this and like analyzing the dates.

1653
01:23:49,920 --> 01:23:53,479
I am so much more bullish on the WBT World

1654
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:57,920
Championship than I was originally. I don't think this ten

1655
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:01,399
kgg millions is anathy. The only reason you would play

1656
01:24:01,439 --> 01:24:04,520
that is if you were not coming to Vegas at all.

1657
01:24:05,039 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it could be a question of where

1658
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,720
do you think the value is? Right?

1659
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:12,399
Speaker 2: So the value is the win?

1660
01:24:13,319 --> 01:24:16,079
Speaker 1: See, I don't know. And I say that because listen,

1661
01:24:16,239 --> 01:24:20,640
I recall last year and the year before I play

1662
01:24:20,680 --> 01:24:22,760
at the win. Almost every time they have a series,

1663
01:24:22,920 --> 01:24:25,399
I play with them in a lot. They were constantly

1664
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:30,039
pumping WPT World Championship satellites. Last year you saw a

1665
01:24:30,079 --> 01:24:34,960
crap ton of whether it was Andrew Nimi, brad Owen, Rampage, whoever,

1666
01:24:35,119 --> 01:24:38,319
playing on WPT Global. I mean that they had Jeff

1667
01:24:38,359 --> 01:24:41,199
Platt playing on WPT global, like you know, playing these

1668
01:24:41,279 --> 01:24:45,199
qualifier events. I don't know if I'm just missing the

1669
01:24:45,239 --> 01:24:47,000
marketing on that, but I just I don't feel like

1670
01:24:47,039 --> 01:24:47,399
I see it.

1671
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,600
Speaker 3: This difference is you're switched on and aware of these things.

1672
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,039
Are we really sure ninety percent of the poker players

1673
01:24:54,039 --> 01:24:55,239
are also noticing these things?

1674
01:24:55,239 --> 01:24:58,239
Speaker 2: Because I'm going to say, no, they're not noticing that stuff.

1675
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I yeah, but I I think like I

1676
01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:02,840
think a poker player would would know like the big

1677
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:07,159
hitting topics like oh, they're going to qualify five hundred players.

1678
01:25:07,399 --> 01:25:10,239
But if you don't see that anymore, then how do

1679
01:25:10,279 --> 01:25:17,359
you know whereas WSP is pushing, they're who plays. I

1680
01:25:17,359 --> 01:25:19,600
don't know, man, Talking to these guys, I think I

1681
01:25:19,680 --> 01:25:22,119
think they're fairly into it. I mean, I know they

1682
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,479
blank on a lot of stuff, but I think this

1683
01:25:24,560 --> 01:25:27,439
sort of stuff, you know, I think there are right,

1684
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:30,880
So I think there's gonna be I think there might

1685
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,279
be more value in that in that ten K plus. Listen,

1686
01:25:33,479 --> 01:25:36,279
you're already there, you know, you probably already send some

1687
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:40,399
sort of package or whatever to get into the room.

1688
01:25:40,960 --> 01:25:43,600
You know, the discounts that you can get into. They

1689
01:25:43,640 --> 01:25:46,439
also have this million dollar invitational, the Super Savior, a

1690
01:25:46,439 --> 01:25:49,640
million dollar free roll thing that takes place on December eighteenth.

1691
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:50,239
Speaker 2: So let this one.

1692
01:25:51,359 --> 01:25:54,279
Speaker 1: There's things that keep you there in the Bahamas, So

1693
01:25:55,680 --> 01:25:58,279
you know, I just find it interesting also, like I

1694
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:02,119
think part of it might be wait and see. And

1695
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:03,920
what I mean by that is like you might go

1696
01:26:03,960 --> 01:26:06,960
to the Bahamas with the plan to leave on December

1697
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:09,840
fifteenth or sixteenth, and say, now, let's just change my

1698
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:13,479
flight because the field's down here incredible, Like I don't know,

1699
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,319
you know, so we'll see. I mean a lot of

1700
01:26:16,319 --> 01:26:20,199
it's going to depend on probably how many package winners.

1701
01:26:20,319 --> 01:26:22,720
GG Poker says that they're sending to this sort of stuff,

1702
01:26:23,239 --> 01:26:26,199
So I don't know. I think it's interesting how it

1703
01:26:26,239 --> 01:26:29,680
all lines up. What I will say is that now

1704
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,680
we don't have the guarantee for the WPT yet. Okay,

1705
01:26:34,880 --> 01:26:38,680
it was fifteen million dollars in twenty twenty two. They

1706
01:26:38,720 --> 01:26:41,199
got like twenty eight million in it. Then they went

1707
01:26:41,239 --> 01:26:43,560
to forty million and they missed. They got like thirty

1708
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:45,199
eight million, right, they missed by two or two and

1709
01:26:45,239 --> 01:26:50,800
a half million or whatever. Last year, the WPT World

1710
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:55,840
Championship ran December twelfth through twenty first, which was ten days.

1711
01:26:56,920 --> 01:27:01,119
This year December fourteenth through twenty first is only eight days.

1712
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:06,960
So they had four starting flights last year. Are they

1713
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:10,000
going to have fewer starting flights this year to fit

1714
01:27:10,039 --> 01:27:12,039
into the eight day window versus the ten day window?

1715
01:27:12,039 --> 01:27:14,920
Are they gonna chop off a day from the back end?

1716
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:17,840
You know last year they had two, three, four, five, six,

1717
01:27:18,039 --> 01:27:20,199
then the final table. Do you just like take out

1718
01:27:20,359 --> 01:27:23,000
day six for example, but then you still need to

1719
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:28,159
take out one more day somewhere. So also, you know,

1720
01:27:29,279 --> 01:27:33,880
the structure for the wt World Championship has been sixty

1721
01:27:33,960 --> 01:27:38,119
minute levels on day one, ninety minute levels on day two. Personally,

1722
01:27:38,159 --> 01:27:40,159
I felt like the structure is a little too good.

1723
01:27:40,920 --> 01:27:43,319
Maybe I'm crazy for saying that as a player, but

1724
01:27:44,199 --> 01:27:47,439
I feel like you could get away with sixties on

1725
01:27:48,319 --> 01:27:52,079
day one and day two, maybe seventy fives on the

1726
01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:55,760
day two. So you know, my question is knowing that

1727
01:27:56,119 --> 01:28:00,000
they've allotted two fewer days to this year's event versus

1728
01:28:00,119 --> 01:28:02,600
last year, Like what is where is the change going

1729
01:28:02,680 --> 01:28:05,920
to come from? And then also I feel like if

1730
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:09,279
you come in with two fewer days for the event,

1731
01:28:11,079 --> 01:28:13,079
there's no way you're going to come anywhere near the

1732
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:16,439
guarantee that you did last year. So while you're bullish,

1733
01:28:16,800 --> 01:28:18,960
I'm bearish on the guarantee aspect.

1734
01:28:19,079 --> 01:28:23,119
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, theologic makes makes sense. Yeah, we we

1735
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:26,960
don't know how they're changing, you know, maybe they're doing yeah,

1736
01:28:27,039 --> 01:28:28,319
less starting flights, but.

1737
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:31,600
Speaker 1: They had they had three starting flights the first year,

1738
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:32,520
and then last year they had.

1739
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:34,399
Speaker 3: Four starting Maybe they go back to three, but they

1740
01:28:34,399 --> 01:28:36,279
play a little later, you know, they play a little

1741
01:28:36,279 --> 01:28:37,399
deepest so people can bus.

1742
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:40,319
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's three with unlimited reentry, because I think

1743
01:28:40,359 --> 01:28:40,960
it was one.

1744
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,960
Speaker 2: Remember they add that. Maybe they add day two registration,

1745
01:28:44,039 --> 01:28:44,479
you don't know.

1746
01:28:44,640 --> 01:28:46,560
Speaker 1: Or maybe it was freeze out per flight. I can't remember.

1747
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:50,039
Speaker 2: It definitely wasn't unlimited entry, so oh.

1748
01:28:50,079 --> 01:28:52,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure it wasn't unlimited entry. And I want

1749
01:28:52,600 --> 01:28:54,960
to even say it was freeze out per flight.

1750
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:57,399
Speaker 3: You could anat I mean, chopping at day six off

1751
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:00,319
somewhere is very easy, Like you's got to change the

1752
01:29:00,399 --> 01:29:02,960
level here or there, or keep them at sixty minute levels,

1753
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:04,840
stuff like that. So yeah, we really have to wait

1754
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:07,439
to see how it. You know, I just hope they

1755
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:10,600
don't drop the guarantee, keep it the same.

1756
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,319
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I just don't see how there's any

1757
01:29:12,359 --> 01:29:16,039
way that they dropped the guarante. They don't drop the guarantee.

1758
01:29:16,279 --> 01:29:18,520
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know has there been any We

1759
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:20,720
would have to go through the last twenty years of

1760
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:24,079
WPT history, but has there any been any times where

1761
01:29:24,079 --> 01:29:25,479
they've done something like this where they've had a big

1762
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:28,079
guarantee and dropped it, Like you know, seminoles seems to

1763
01:29:28,079 --> 01:29:31,880
be the main place for guarantees on the WPT, But

1764
01:29:32,039 --> 01:29:33,079
have they ever gone back?

1765
01:29:34,359 --> 01:29:35,119
Speaker 2: Is it precedent?

1766
01:29:36,199 --> 01:29:39,079
Speaker 1: No, not that I can think of. But you know,

1767
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:45,680
is there precedent for going from fifteen million to forty

1768
01:29:46,399 --> 01:29:49,039
You don't know. So it's like that, and it's in

1769
01:29:49,159 --> 01:29:51,880
the in and of itself is a massive outlier, like

1770
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:55,760
you would you would never jump to that, So it's

1771
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:58,920
almost like you could probably just phrase it if you

1772
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:02,399
pull back, which I am anticipate that they are. You know, listen,

1773
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:05,600
we tried, we missed, We understand the climate, not a

1774
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:07,800
big deal. But if we roll out twenty five million,

1775
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:10,439
that's still huge. Like it's not you know, like that's

1776
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:11,800
I think you just kind of have to take it

1777
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,119
on the chin and own it, as opposed to if

1778
01:30:14,199 --> 01:30:16,840
you're if you try and hide it or deflect, I

1779
01:30:17,079 --> 01:30:20,239
think it just ends up looking worse for you versus

1780
01:30:20,239 --> 01:30:22,399
if you know, you just say, yeah, we tried to

1781
01:30:22,399 --> 01:30:27,760
go to forty, we missed, we understand the climate in

1782
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:31,000
that timeframe, and you know we're going to go this

1783
01:30:31,079 --> 01:30:34,039
direction because we think that that's beneficial. And I think

1784
01:30:34,079 --> 01:30:36,960
you can then shift the messaging too. You know, at

1785
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,680
the WPT we always put the players first, and they've

1786
01:30:40,720 --> 01:30:42,880
always said that the players are first. So once you like,

1787
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:47,880
in a way admit defeat on the guarantee battle in December,

1788
01:30:48,199 --> 01:30:53,119
then you just shift it back to the player experience stuff, right,

1789
01:30:53,359 --> 01:30:55,760
And I think that's how you can how you can

1790
01:30:56,199 --> 01:30:58,439
ultimately win as best as you're going to win, if

1791
01:30:58,479 --> 01:31:02,920
not win overall. So that's what I would do. That's

1792
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:06,000
the messaging that I would I would put forth. But

1793
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:08,119
I don't think if you like try and hide that,

1794
01:31:08,199 --> 01:31:11,520
you're pulling back. It's it's gonna work. And I don't

1795
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:13,680
think that if you come out with forty again, it's

1796
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:17,319
gonna work. I mean, unless they have some crazy way

1797
01:31:17,359 --> 01:31:19,520
to do it. But you know, I just I just

1798
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:21,800
couple the fact that I see two less days being

1799
01:31:21,840 --> 01:31:25,800
announced for it. I haven't seen as many qualifiers being

1800
01:31:25,840 --> 01:31:28,760
pushed for this sort of stuff. So I'm just I'm

1801
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:32,640
curious for what's happening, you know. So, and I think

1802
01:31:33,800 --> 01:31:37,720
I think whin Las Vegas recently they dropped their Fall

1803
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:43,439
Classic schedule, which takes place in October October fourth through

1804
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:45,920
twenty eighth, and there's there's a satellite on the schedule,

1805
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:51,239
satellite to the WPT World Championship. Three seats, I mean, yeah,

1806
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:54,039
but I feel like these were just like there was

1807
01:31:54,159 --> 01:31:56,640
multiple five seat guarantees or there was a three and

1808
01:31:56,680 --> 01:31:58,399
then a five, like on all of their stuff, and

1809
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:01,560
now it's just again, it just doesn't feel like they're

1810
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:05,720
pushing it enough, which which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

1811
01:32:05,760 --> 01:32:08,560
It just tells me that that there's not the motivation

1812
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:11,159
to push it because the guarantee ultimately won't.

1813
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:11,640
Speaker 2: Be that big.

1814
01:32:12,039 --> 01:32:14,079
Speaker 1: Like if you know you have a forty million dollar

1815
01:32:14,119 --> 01:32:15,920
guarantee that you got to hit that you missed the

1816
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:20,039
last year. You got to be throwing out satellites, you know, left,

1817
01:32:20,119 --> 01:32:22,680
right and center. So that's where I'm at with that.

1818
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:25,560
So I think that, you know, it seems like we're

1819
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:30,439
close in terms of the WPT guarantee being announced. I

1820
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:33,159
will say this, they're doing a damn good job of

1821
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:35,680
making sure that we talk about it over and over again.

1822
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1823
01:32:36,279 --> 01:32:38,520
Speaker 1: The more they the more they hold out, you know,

1824
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,159
the more they just put the breadcrumbs out there, the

1825
01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:44,119
more we continue to be like, where is this, Let's

1826
01:32:44,159 --> 01:32:47,159
talk about it some more, you know. So so I guess,

1827
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:48,680
you know, kudos to them. I don't know if they

1828
01:32:48,720 --> 01:32:50,840
do that on purpose or if that just happened to

1829
01:32:51,199 --> 01:32:53,359
be a byproduct of it all. But it's working, okay,

1830
01:32:53,399 --> 01:32:57,079
it's it's working. And then just quickly on, So the

1831
01:32:57,159 --> 01:33:01,079
WPT Prime Championship same days, even days last year versus

1832
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:03,359
seven days this year. Last year was the seventh through

1833
01:33:03,359 --> 01:33:07,640
the twelfth. This year is the eighth through the fourteenth.

1834
01:33:07,800 --> 01:33:10,640
So there's that, or sorry, last year was the seventh

1835
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:12,399
through the twelfth. Then they delayed the final table to

1836
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:16,119
the nineteenth, so so that'll be the same. And then

1837
01:33:16,359 --> 01:33:18,399
I also thought it was interesting that that last year

1838
01:33:18,399 --> 01:33:20,800
the Ladies Championship was three days and this year they

1839
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:24,920
only have two days, So are they, you know, anticipating

1840
01:33:25,439 --> 01:33:28,640
a smaller turnout for that event as well. Last year

1841
01:33:28,720 --> 01:33:31,960
was December sixth through eighth. This year is December fourteenth

1842
01:33:32,039 --> 01:33:36,079
through fifteenth, is what they're listing. So so yeah, we'll

1843
01:33:36,119 --> 01:33:38,000
see how that all goes. But that could also be

1844
01:33:38,079 --> 01:33:41,000
maybe they do like a December fourteenth and fifteenth and

1845
01:33:41,079 --> 01:33:44,560
delay the final table. But I mean, but wouldn't you

1846
01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:47,680
put that on the schedule, Yes, you know, to let

1847
01:33:47,680 --> 01:33:49,199
people know that if you come out and play this

1848
01:33:49,239 --> 01:33:51,039
in final table, you might have to wait a week.

1849
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:55,199
I think they should go nuts with this opener. If

1850
01:33:55,199 --> 01:33:57,359
they bring it back, the six hundred dollar opener, I

1851
01:33:57,359 --> 01:33:58,560
think it should be like a two and a half

1852
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,520
or a three million dollar guarantee. I think they should

1853
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,439
go nuts with the Prime Championship. That one K you know,

1854
01:34:06,479 --> 01:34:08,960
it got more than ten thousand entries last year it

1855
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:11,439
was a five million dollars guarantee. Obviously blew that out

1856
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:13,560
of the water. I think they should just come with

1857
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:14,720
a ten million dollar guarantee.

1858
01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:18,000
Speaker 2: There, WHOA, that's big.

1859
01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:21,279
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I would attack this. I would say, okay,

1860
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:23,800
because if you if you look at the WSFP Paradise

1861
01:34:23,800 --> 01:34:27,119
schedule and we've gone over this, the buy ins are massive. Yeah,

1862
01:34:28,319 --> 01:34:32,000
the lowest buyan is twenty five hundred dollars the lowest

1863
01:34:32,039 --> 01:34:34,479
buying like it's not like you know, and but that's

1864
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,640
understandable because are you really going to travel to the

1865
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:41,279
Bahamas to Atlantis, where we know it can be pricey,

1866
01:34:41,359 --> 01:34:45,319
and then just play a bunch of five hundreds? No,

1867
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:48,399
I mean you're you're gonna play big stuff. Yeah, right,

1868
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:50,000
so like you're gonna go down there, You're gonna play

1869
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:51,680
a twenty five k, a ten kf five K, one

1870
01:34:51,720 --> 01:34:54,960
hundred k, fifty k, like all that sort of stuff. Now,

1871
01:34:55,000 --> 01:34:58,600
if you're WBT in the win, go the other way,

1872
01:34:59,319 --> 01:35:02,159
you know z when these people are zigging like you know,

1873
01:35:03,039 --> 01:35:06,039
so then you can you go nuts with like the

1874
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:11,359
the one K Prime Championship, which aligns with everything that

1875
01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:13,279
I've seen from the World Poker Tour in the last

1876
01:35:13,359 --> 01:35:16,399
year a year and a half. Everything's been prime prime prime,

1877
01:35:17,119 --> 01:35:20,399
and it's been like less main tour, So push that.

1878
01:35:20,520 --> 01:35:22,279
So I would come out swinging with the six hundred

1879
01:35:22,319 --> 01:35:25,039
dollars one at the start last year was six dollars

1880
01:35:25,039 --> 01:35:27,920
one million dollar guarantee. I think they could easily do

1881
01:35:28,079 --> 01:35:30,880
six hundred two and a half or six hundred three

1882
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:34,159
million easy. I think that's easy. And then I would

1883
01:35:34,199 --> 01:35:37,840
double the one k, make it a ten million dollar guarantee,

1884
01:35:37,840 --> 01:35:40,840
and I would swing for the fences there, which which

1885
01:35:40,920 --> 01:35:46,760
also takes less pressure off you pulling back on the

1886
01:35:46,760 --> 01:35:50,119
guarantee for the World Championship event, because if you say, hey,

1887
01:35:50,119 --> 01:35:54,159
we're pulling back here, but we're amplifying this stuff over there.

1888
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:57,119
Because they already know the big players, they should have

1889
01:35:57,119 --> 01:35:58,800
a good idea that the big players are probably going

1890
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,000
to go to the Bahama, But how do you get

1891
01:36:02,000 --> 01:36:04,279
the people that aren't going to the bombs? You have

1892
01:36:04,319 --> 01:36:08,840
a one K ten million dollar guarantee, that's what you do, Yeah,

1893
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,880
or make it a one K fifteen million dollar guarantee

1894
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:14,520
of your funeral? All right, seven man, they didn't settle

1895
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:16,960
on last year. I would tell you that you have

1896
01:36:17,000 --> 01:36:19,960
a better chance of hitting a one K fifteen million

1897
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:24,840
dollar guarantee versus hitting a ten K forty million dollar guarantee.

1898
01:36:25,359 --> 01:36:27,399
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, probably.

1899
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:33,359
Speaker 1: So anyway, all right, let's move on. Final little segment here.

1900
01:36:33,640 --> 01:36:38,560
Questions for you, buddy, Questions for you. I got five

1901
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:43,560
of them, Okay, I want you to answer these seriously, okay,

1902
01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:47,840
like put your professional cap on. Don't just give me

1903
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:51,600
the jokes, uring you be serious. The first question has

1904
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,359
to do with the last topic that we just talked about,

1905
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:57,720
WPT World Championship. We have the dates for the series,

1906
01:36:57,760 --> 01:36:59,560
we have the dates for the festival. I told you

1907
01:36:59,600 --> 01:37:02,079
that they're two less days for the World Championship than

1908
01:37:02,079 --> 01:37:06,680
the World last year. My first question is if it's

1909
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:09,000
up to you, you're in charge, and you can, you

1910
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,800
can say that you're in charge of WPT, You're in

1911
01:37:10,840 --> 01:37:12,680
charge of win whatever it is. You're in charge of

1912
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,920
the guarantee. If the guarantee misses, it's on you, buddy,

1913
01:37:15,960 --> 01:37:18,319
it's on you. It's on your company. So if the

1914
01:37:18,359 --> 01:37:22,720
guarantees on you, what is the number you are coming with?

1915
01:37:22,800 --> 01:37:25,000
And we will see with your right Because they said

1916
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,239
next week we're getting the guarantee.

1917
01:37:28,319 --> 01:37:29,800
Speaker 3: I mean I already touched on it. I wouldn't go

1918
01:37:29,960 --> 01:37:32,319
back down. I'll keep it at forty million. The fact

1919
01:37:32,359 --> 01:37:34,039
you're telling you I have to pay for it myself

1920
01:37:34,079 --> 01:37:35,119
out of my pocket.

1921
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,520
Speaker 1: Well, no, the company, like you're in charge of you No,

1922
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:37,840
I get it.

1923
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 3: I would have Can we go back twelve months where

1924
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:42,960
I started a very intensive satellite program to make sure

1925
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:47,039
we have hundreds of qualifiers because here.

1926
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:50,199
Speaker 1: Because clearly that's not the case, Like clearly all that

1927
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:52,960
stuff has happened. So because because that stuff would have

1928
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:54,640
been already happening and we would have seen it. So

1929
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:59,039
right now, like let's say you're in charge of WPT

1930
01:37:59,079 --> 01:38:02,039
and WIN offices. You're in all these meetings, right You're

1931
01:38:02,079 --> 01:38:05,479
you're the top dog. You're Adam Pliska, Like they're coming

1932
01:38:05,479 --> 01:38:08,439
to you with their suggestions, their analysis, whatever. But you

1933
01:38:08,560 --> 01:38:11,880
have to make the final call. You have to say, like, Okay,

1934
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:15,399
I've taken all the information in, I've reviewed it all.

1935
01:38:15,479 --> 01:38:17,560
I got it. This is the number we're going with.

1936
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going with forty.

1937
01:38:20,640 --> 01:38:24,399
Speaker 1: Wow, you're insane. You are out of your mind.

1938
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:25,239
Speaker 2: I can't.

1939
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,840
Speaker 1: I can't, I honestly cannot believe. I can't believe this

1940
01:38:28,880 --> 01:38:30,640
is a This is not a real answer for you.

1941
01:38:30,680 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 2: Do you think I'm comfortable with it?

1942
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:32,039
Speaker 3: Not?

1943
01:38:32,359 --> 01:38:34,920
Speaker 1: You are a knit There is no way you're going

1944
01:38:34,960 --> 01:38:35,920
forty million.

1945
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:37,560
Speaker 3: Going forty But like I said, if you're going to

1946
01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:39,239
put me in charge, that means we also have the

1947
01:38:39,279 --> 01:38:41,159
ability to go back in time a year.

1948
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:43,199
Speaker 1: And no, you don't have the ability to go back

1949
01:38:43,239 --> 01:38:44,159
in time right now.

1950
01:38:44,239 --> 01:38:48,079
Speaker 3: I'm not going down. I'm not I'm not losing this battle.

1951
01:38:49,039 --> 01:38:52,159
Speaker 1: Do you think that let's say, let's say they've decided

1952
01:38:52,199 --> 01:38:57,039
on forty, do you think they could still like roll

1953
01:38:57,039 --> 01:39:00,960
out satellites and stuff. I mean we still yeah, twentieth, Yeah,

1954
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:02,319
you have some time.

1955
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,600
Speaker 3: You just go crazy on WPT Global. You you work

1956
01:39:05,640 --> 01:39:10,079
with all your partners around the world in Leuchtenstein and

1957
01:39:10,239 --> 01:39:15,279
Australia and run satellites like give like every seat is valuable,

1958
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:18,640
you know, And there's there's once like we talk about

1959
01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:22,680
this once. You know, once you have some you hit

1960
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:25,239
say twenty five satellite qualifiers, you make a big deal

1961
01:39:25,279 --> 01:39:27,199
about it. Then you hit the fifty, then you make

1962
01:39:27,239 --> 01:39:28,920
a big deal about it, You push it on. You

1963
01:39:28,960 --> 01:39:31,760
just keep you just ramp up as much promotion as

1964
01:39:31,800 --> 01:39:35,079
possible to promote that, Hey, we have I don't know,

1965
01:39:35,319 --> 01:39:36,760
I don't want to use the word dead money, but

1966
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:38,760
we have some dead money in this. We have satellite

1967
01:39:38,840 --> 01:39:40,840
qualifiers and one there set for twenty dollars or a

1968
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:44,840
free roll, and you look you're a bit behind the

1969
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:45,279
eight ball.

1970
01:39:45,319 --> 01:39:47,840
Speaker 2: But doesn't mean you can't. You don't just give up.

1971
01:39:47,920 --> 01:39:52,359
Speaker 3: You have two months, right, well three months, you two

1972
01:39:52,399 --> 01:39:55,279
and a bit months whatever to really just go ham

1973
01:39:55,079 --> 01:39:57,680
on doing as much as you can to make sure

1974
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,479
you don't miss that guarantee. Tell when more milestone. We

1975
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:05,319
need a weekly use milestone satellies. We need step programs global,

1976
01:40:05,399 --> 01:40:08,239
we need step programs and milestones and everything. Just to

1977
01:40:08,279 --> 01:40:10,199
be all in, you have to be like two x

1978
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:12,399
three x all in triple punt shoving.

1979
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:16,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if we obviously don't know what the guarantee is,

1980
01:40:16,720 --> 01:40:18,760
I mean, if the guarantee is fifteen million, then then

1981
01:40:19,159 --> 01:40:21,239
that's stuff that you're talking about. They're just not going

1982
01:40:21,319 --> 01:40:24,319
to do, probably right, But let's say you did. You

1983
01:40:24,359 --> 01:40:26,680
did settle on a big guarantee. I mean, you could

1984
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:29,840
even do things like if you play the Prime Championship,

1985
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:32,399
you get break free entry to the World Championship, like

1986
01:40:32,399 --> 01:40:34,760
like stuff like that. Yeah, you know, it's just I mean, yeah,

1987
01:40:34,800 --> 01:40:38,520
I know that that obviously costs money, but marketing costs money.

1988
01:40:38,560 --> 01:40:40,800
I mean that's just the world we live in. So

1989
01:40:41,439 --> 01:40:43,880
all that sort of stuff. I think I will be

1990
01:40:44,000 --> 01:40:46,680
very interested to see what they come with. Of course

1991
01:40:47,000 --> 01:40:49,680
they said they said we're getting the full schedule a

1992
01:40:49,720 --> 01:40:52,119
week from this announcement, which happened a couple of days ago.

1993
01:40:52,239 --> 01:40:53,760
Speaker 2: Set with thirty five million.

1994
01:40:55,159 --> 01:40:56,920
Speaker 1: The reason why I would be upset with thirty five

1995
01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:58,920
millions because I think that is a very stupid number.

1996
01:41:00,119 --> 01:41:04,520
Five million is like thirty five million is like if

1997
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,800
you're gonna do thirty five, you just do forty first

1998
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:08,680
of all, Like, there's what is five million?

1999
01:41:09,479 --> 01:41:10,279
Speaker 2: It's five million?

2000
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:14,800
Speaker 3: But like if they drop it, like what are they

2001
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:15,439
going to jump it to?

2002
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,159
Speaker 1: If you drop it, I think you go twenty five,

2003
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,760
twenty or twenty five, which is an increase over the

2004
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:25,119
first year, which I think can help you be like, listen,

2005
01:41:26,039 --> 01:41:28,920
we took our shot last year. We missed. You know,

2006
01:41:29,239 --> 01:41:32,920
maybe maybe it wasn't the correct course of action to

2007
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:36,279
go from fifteen million to forty million, which I think

2008
01:41:36,359 --> 01:41:37,880
you and I would both agree, and we talked about

2009
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,000
this before. Was wild that you would ever do that,

2010
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:45,920
Like just absolutely wild. I mean, if we're going to

2011
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:47,760
wind back the clock, which is what you're talking about,

2012
01:41:47,800 --> 01:41:50,199
you would you go to thirty million last year? Because

2013
01:41:50,199 --> 01:41:52,880
you got twenty eight or twenty nine, right, so you

2014
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,159
just up it a little bit and you say, Okay,

2015
01:41:55,159 --> 01:41:58,439
we're going thirty like that's what we're doing, you know.

2016
01:41:58,600 --> 01:42:02,680
So I think pulling back to twenty five is is

2017
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:08,000
like the community will will. I mean, they might make

2018
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:09,840
a big deal out of it for a day or two,

2019
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:11,760
but honestly they'll get over that. Now, if you do

2020
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:14,359
something insane like come with ten million, I think you're

2021
01:42:14,399 --> 01:42:18,640
just then you're like, you're insane in the other direction, right.

2022
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:22,319
But I think if you do pull back, which I

2023
01:42:22,359 --> 01:42:24,680
anticipate that they do, I think you need to come

2024
01:42:24,720 --> 01:42:28,279
with other stuff. So that's why I say, like, hey, yeah,

2025
01:42:28,319 --> 01:42:32,479
we're going twenty or twenty five million for the World Championship,

2026
01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:35,560
but we have this ten million dollar one K, we

2027
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:37,680
have this three million dollars six hundred, you know, like

2028
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:41,319
that sort of stuff. I mean, there's there's a WPT

2029
01:42:41,439 --> 01:42:45,800
coming up at Seminole in Florida. Their opening event is

2030
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:48,520
a four hundred dollars two million dollar guarantee.

2031
01:42:48,600 --> 01:42:49,000
Speaker 2: Jeez.

2032
01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:54,279
Speaker 1: So it in my mind, everything that you do at

2033
01:42:54,279 --> 01:42:58,479
the quote unquote World Championship Festival of your tour should

2034
01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:00,760
be bigger than anything that's done on the rest of

2035
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:03,239
the tour for the rest of the year. That's why

2036
01:43:03,319 --> 01:43:06,960
I say, if you open with a six hundred one

2037
01:43:07,000 --> 01:43:10,720
million or six hundred two million, I say, well, Seminole

2038
01:43:10,760 --> 01:43:14,039
did four hundred two million. Yeah, you gotta go point then,

2039
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:17,159
So I'm like, just you know, six hundred two and

2040
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:20,359
a half, six hundred whatever, you'll hit that. That's it's

2041
01:43:20,439 --> 01:43:22,800
easy to hit the numbers on the low buying scale

2042
01:43:22,840 --> 01:43:25,840
because that's where the volume comes from in poker. Like

2043
01:43:25,920 --> 01:43:30,520
that's why the WSP Colossus, the WSP Gladiator, like the

2044
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,920
Mystery Millions, like all that sort of stuff does fifteen

2045
01:43:34,079 --> 01:43:38,119
twenty twenty five thousand entries because it's easier to get

2046
01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,199
entries from those price points than it is to get

2047
01:43:40,279 --> 01:43:43,279
entries from the high price points. So that that's where

2048
01:43:43,279 --> 01:43:45,600
I would go. So I would I would say, hey, yeah,

2049
01:43:45,640 --> 01:43:49,159
we're pulling back, but we're offering this like it's more basically,

2050
01:43:49,199 --> 01:43:54,520
we're making the WPT experience, which I think not only

2051
01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:56,560
do they hold at the highest regard, I think the

2052
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:59,960
community holds the WPT experience at an extremely high regard.

2053
01:44:00,319 --> 01:44:06,520
We're making the WPT experience more accessible to everyone, not

2054
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:10,399
just the ten thousand dollars player, the five thousand dollars player,

2055
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,479
et cetera. Like we're making it accessible to the six

2056
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,159
hundred dollars player, we're making it accessible to one thousand

2057
01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:18,680
dollars player, and everything from from six hundred up to

2058
01:44:18,760 --> 01:44:22,840
ten k. The WPT experience, the player experience that we

2059
01:44:23,079 --> 01:44:26,359
built the foundation of this company on. That is what

2060
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:30,720
we are pushing and making accessible to everyone. That's how

2061
01:44:30,760 --> 01:44:34,760
I would go about it. That's the selling point. Anyway,

2062
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:39,479
back to the questions, So you said forty, there's no shot.

2063
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:43,359
You're out of your mind, all right. You've been really

2064
01:44:43,399 --> 01:44:46,159
into fitness and working out lately. We all know you're

2065
01:44:46,359 --> 01:44:49,039
you're sending me pictures all the time, like you got

2066
01:44:49,039 --> 01:44:51,079
your shirt off. It's just it's you pictures.

2067
01:44:51,279 --> 01:44:52,039
Speaker 2: What are you talking about.

2068
01:44:52,319 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 1: You did send me a picture with your shirt, but

2069
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:56,239
you send me a picture with your shirt off, dripping

2070
01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:57,399
sweat in your garage.

2071
01:44:57,600 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 3: You said coffee, and I'm like soon and I took

2072
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:03,520
a photo. I was still working out, not sending you

2073
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:04,680
pitches out of context.

2074
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:06,119
Speaker 2: Let's get that click.

2075
01:45:06,600 --> 01:45:07,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't ask you to send me a

2076
01:45:07,960 --> 01:45:09,920
picture of you naked.

2077
01:45:10,159 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 2: I was not naked.

2078
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:13,199
Speaker 1: I mean, with how short those shorts were, you were

2079
01:45:13,239 --> 01:45:18,399
basically all right. So here's the deal. I saw your

2080
01:45:18,399 --> 01:45:21,720
abs in that photo. You don't have a six pack yet.

2081
01:45:22,079 --> 01:45:23,920
If I were to give you the option to have

2082
01:45:24,199 --> 01:45:28,520
the body from the neck down of Christiano Ronaldo, so

2083
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:33,560
you're chiseled six pack, it's incredible and you could have

2084
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,760
that body forever with doing extremely minimal work. You know,

2085
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:38,520
you don't have to like be in the gym four

2086
01:45:38,520 --> 01:45:40,600
hours a day to maintain and stuff like that. But

2087
01:45:40,680 --> 01:45:44,000
the catch is you have to cut all ties with poker.

2088
01:45:44,119 --> 01:45:47,840
You can't work in the industry, you can't play anything,

2089
01:45:47,960 --> 01:45:50,680
you can't even be a Poker gro subscriber and watch

2090
01:45:50,760 --> 01:45:54,399
the game. Are you accepting the chiseled abs of steel

2091
01:45:54,479 --> 01:45:58,439
and the body of Christiano or are you sticking with poker?

2092
01:45:58,640 --> 01:46:00,439
Speaker 3: This is the easiest question about it, ask me, and

2093
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:06,119
this answer is no, taking what not taking Christiano's body? Wow,

2094
01:46:06,399 --> 01:46:09,680
I can get that eventually, hopefully, fingers cross, I'm not

2095
01:46:09,720 --> 01:46:12,079
giving up poker for that. That's too cheap of a

2096
01:46:12,079 --> 01:46:14,079
price point six pack.

2097
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 1: Nine, I mean, okay, who knows? All right, if you

2098
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had the power to force one poker player to play

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a full schedule of PGT events for an entire season.

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Who would it be and.

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Speaker 3: Why gotta be my boy Phil Ivy. I just want

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to see him in the studio playing every event, you know,

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I think the go to answer is is feil Helm

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with but he does come and play events. So I

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want Ivy in the studio grinding five k's grinding ten,

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k's grinding, the fifteens, the twenty five is playing everything.

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Speaker 2: That's my goal.

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Speaker 1: I would say I got a couple. I would say

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Jason Mercier, Sean Deeb, Jason kuh I want to see

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Coon in the fives and the tents play and everything.

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I want to see if he really is the best

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of the I mean he probably is the best of

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the best, of course, yes, but I want to see

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it in action.

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Speaker 3: D would be good. I would take Deep over over Kuhn.

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I'd take Mercier over D. But I'm also thinking, like Ivy,

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I think draws better if he get if he makes.

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Speaker 1: At Ivey is obviously a good one, you know, I'm

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I I just am picking those other ones because you

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took ay, you know, so so yeah. Another one that

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somebody brought up recently in one of the YouTube chats

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for our live streams Vanessa selves, that's a good one, Like,

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you know, have her come back like she was obviously

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at the top of her game basically when she walked away, Like,

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you know, having her come back, that would be cool

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to see her in there battling and seeing how she

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she does against the field these days. So so yeah,

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all right, same question, but pick an athlete or a celebrity,

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so not a poker player. And if you had the

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power to force that athlete or celebrity to play a

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full schedule of PGT events for an entire season, who

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would it be?

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Speaker 3: And why is Lebron James? The layup answer here is that,

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like would that bring the most cloud or most athlete?

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Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron would be amazing, right, I.

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Speaker 3: Feel like it has to for thinking about the grow

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trying to grow the PGT in a way, I feel

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like has to be an American, has to be someone

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in sports that has an audience that is in that

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age range of that can gamble.

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Speaker 1: If you injected, if this worked out, this hypothetical and

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you were able to put Lebron James in events, I

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would think there would be a lot of people that

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would be like if I just go play this five ky,

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get to play with Lebron James.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking.

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Speaker 1: I mean they that had that like there are there

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are you can probably count them, you know what.

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Speaker 3: No, no, got a number of people who have that pull.

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I think I'm changing my answer. Lebron James is good.

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I think Lebron James's audience skews us and younger. Okay,

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and it also skews NBA. Like following basketball, you don't

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really need a lot of money, you just watch basketball.

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I'm thinking I need to think of a richer sport.

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So I'm thinking golf. I'm thinking Tiger Woods because the

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people that want to sit and play with Tiger Woods

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have the money to play ten k's twenty five ks.

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So I mentioned you have twenty five's and fifteen's and

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fifty k We bring the fifty k's back, bring the

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hunter k's back. I think there would be a good

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appetite for people that want to play poker with Tiger Woods.

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Tiger Woods is my answer. Now change it, Lebron, You're out.

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Speaker 1: Mine would be a completely selfish answer, but it would

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be Charles Barkley because it would be an f.

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Speaker 2: And right it would be. That'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and just him, you know, you know, Barkley Gambles like,

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it would just be like absolutely wild.

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Speaker 2: That would be a good one. Yeah yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Not that it would necessarily do anything in the It's

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just like more of a selfish answer, but that's what

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I would pick, all right. The NFL season is, uh,

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moving on to Week three. You're a Broncos fan, so

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I mean, you're not going to answer them for this question.

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Who is winning the Super Bowl?

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Speaker 3: I mean the chunky answer is the Chiefs, right, but

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the Jets look pretty okay.

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Speaker 2: Last night, so I don't know. I'm going with the Chiefs.

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Speaker 3: It's hard to bet against Pat Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean yeah, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: How it's a boring answer, but well yeah, but still

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I don't want to see the Chiefs wing. I'd rather

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say anyone else. Lions would be good, Jets would be

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pretty awesome.

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Speaker 1: The Lions would be great. I think the Lions are

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the Jets, And honestly, if it was, that would be

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like my ideal super Bowl matchup Lions versus the Jets,

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because both teams are pretty good now, they've just had

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a drought forever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so like.

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Speaker 1: Just the the heartbreak and the devastation that those two

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fan bases have gone through, and then the chance to

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win the Super Bowl, and then you would you would

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get guaranteed jubilation and guaranteed heartbreak, like in the same game.

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That that's my ideal matchup.

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Speaker 2: That is it?

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Speaker 1: That is it?

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 1: All right? You got anything else for me?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 1: No, We've been talking for hours. Yeah, this is the

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longest podcast ever, but it doesn't. Rich good luck, Rich

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is right, all right? Cool as always. Oh, I have

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whatever you guys want to do. All right, that's going

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to do it for us. Long show, but a good show.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, Jennie,