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<v Speaker 2>There's no safe like simply safe. Welcome. I applied Dave America.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm John Favra. I'm John Lovin Tommy Detour on today's show,

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<v Speaker 2>the US and Iran have signed a memo to end hostilities,

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly for now. We'll talk about it as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the implications for Iran's nuclear program, Israel and our own

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<v Speaker 2>mid term politics. Will also dig into Trump's eightieth birthday celebration,

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<v Speaker 2>which involved the much anticipated White House UFC fight and

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<v Speaker 2>lots of opportunities for him and his pals to make

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<v Speaker 2>more money. Gavin Newsom just announced that Trump's goons at

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<v Speaker 2>the Justice Department are investigating his wife in a bid

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<v Speaker 2>to derail his potential presidential campaign. We'll get into what

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<v Speaker 2>we know about that. Then Tommy talks to Senator Mark

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<v Speaker 2>Warner about the Iran situation and with the Senate can do,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get to the news. The Iran War

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<v Speaker 2>appears to be over and Donald Trump has lost. US

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<v Speaker 2>and Iranian officials have signed a memorandum of Understanding shorthanded

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<v Speaker 2>as an MoU that extends the ceasefire another sixty days,

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<v Speaker 2>reopens the strait of horror moves in exchange for ending

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<v Speaker 2>the US naval blockade of Iran, and kicks just about

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<v Speaker 2>every other issue to the next phase of negotiations, including

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<v Speaker 2>Iran's nuclear program and economic sanctions relief. Iran has certainly

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<v Speaker 2>suffered significant casualties and damage in this war, but Trump's

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<v Speaker 2>war didn't topple the Iranian regime, destroy its military or

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<v Speaker 2>ballistic missile capabilities, and around support for proxies like Hesbola

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<v Speaker 2>or eliminate its nuclear program. By the way, those were

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<v Speaker 2>all of the objectives that Trump and Marco Rubio laid

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<v Speaker 2>out way back in February and March when this whole

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<v Speaker 2>thing started. Other than that mission accomplished, which seems to

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<v Speaker 2>be a face saving agreement that lets Trump pretend he won,

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<v Speaker 2>which he did shortly after arriving in Europe for the

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<v Speaker 2>G seven on Monday.

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<v Speaker 3>The Delzo side and the strangers already partially opened, as

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<v Speaker 3>you know, they're doing a little hunting for a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of minds. The ships are starting to go out now.

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<v Speaker 3>On Friday, it'll be completely opened. It's not like the

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<v Speaker 3>Obama document, which was just a terrible document. I think

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<v Speaker 3>it's going to be free sailing. We do want to

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<v Speaker 3>see we get straight out the Lebanon thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Where were they, by the way, the least presidential backdrop

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<v Speaker 2>I've ever seen. I don't know, somewhere in France if

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<v Speaker 2>he's with Macran, but if they're on.

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<v Speaker 1>A porch or somewhere, I don't know where they were.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, the Obama document was terrible, and we do want

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<v Speaker 2>to straighten out Lebanon. Maybe Lemon and Lemon and so

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<v Speaker 2>the Administration says the full text of the MoU won't

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<v Speaker 2>be released for another day or two. But based on

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<v Speaker 2>the details that have been reported, how does the deal

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<v Speaker 2>look beyond the headline summary that I gave, you know, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Old Mike Myers thing, like you know, the soup nuts

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<v Speaker 1>or anither sup or nuts. Like It's like, this isn't

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<v Speaker 1>this is the replacement nuclear deal. It's not nuclear, we

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<v Speaker 1>know that. But it's not really even a deal because

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<v Speaker 1>presumably in a deal, both sides would have to concede something,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can't figure out what Iran has conceded. I

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<v Speaker 1>know what the US gave up right, I know what

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<v Speaker 1>we're uh, well, you know, there's a massive fund that

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<v Speaker 1>they could get access to sanctions relief. They make it

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of cash. They get to cease fire in Lebanon,

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<v Speaker 1>which they want to try to constrain. Iran seems to

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<v Speaker 1>have agree to the Non Proliferation Treaty, had already agreed to,

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<v Speaker 1>and to reopen the Strait of Hormons, which was open

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and nine days ago. So this is not

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<v Speaker 1>a deal. This is the US surrendering in order to

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<v Speaker 1>reopen the negotiations it stopped when it bombed Iran.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a deal to temporarily deal with the fallout

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<v Speaker 4>from the stupid war we started in hopes of maybe

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<v Speaker 4>getting a full nuclear deal.

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<v Speaker 2>The accomplish our goals.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you you laid it out. I mean the

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<v Speaker 4>Trump described his goal as he did a video statement

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<v Speaker 4>right after they started the war. He said, We're going

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<v Speaker 4>to destroy their missiles and raise their missile industry to

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<v Speaker 4>the ground. Where do you annihilate their navy orre to

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<v Speaker 4>ensure that the region's terrorist proxies can no longer destabilize

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<v Speaker 4>the region or the world. Then attack our forces and

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<v Speaker 4>we will ensure that Iran does not obtain a nuclear weapon.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess we like, maybe you get one for four

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<v Speaker 2>of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we took out your navy, but they saw the

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<v Speaker 4>straight of hormuves closed, so that doesn't seem good. So,

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<v Speaker 4>like I this is hard to message because this was

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<v Speaker 4>the best deal available to Trump and for the world,

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<v Speaker 4>because it ended the war and we were seeing economies

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<v Speaker 4>in Asia collapsing. We could see it still see a

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<v Speaker 4>global famine because of what was happening. But Trump accomplished

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<v Speaker 4>none of his goals, and I think we should we

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<v Speaker 4>have to message that and Irana knows that can shut

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<v Speaker 4>down the global economy at any time by closing the

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<v Speaker 4>Straight or her moves, and they could get hundreds of

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<v Speaker 4>billions of dollars in sanctions relief, like this is a disaster,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Trump and Yahoo like then Yahoo actively tried

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<v Speaker 4>regime change by killing the Supreme Leader. Trump was for

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<v Speaker 4>it when it seemed like it might happen. But the

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<v Speaker 4>net effect is there's now a younger, more hardline Supreme

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<v Speaker 4>Leader and a more entrenched IRGC running the show, and

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<v Speaker 4>the United States looks like we're unreliable and weak.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was very funny that in one of

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<v Speaker 2>his truths about this, Trump was like, I hereby declare

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<v Speaker 2>the straight open. And then you look at some of

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<v Speaker 2>the fine print, or at least some of the reported details.

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<v Speaker 2>And before the war, the Strait was controlled by no one.

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<v Speaker 2>It was old body of water, and now it will

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<v Speaker 2>be controlled by Iran and Oman together apparently. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you don't really hear Trum talking about that, although he

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<v Speaker 2>is saying it's toll free. It's toll free like the

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<v Speaker 2>calls that we used to make back in the eighties

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<v Speaker 2>and nineties. Sounds like it might be toll free for

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<v Speaker 2>sixty days, and then iran as plans to slap a

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<v Speaker 2>toll on that shipping. Yeah, they've said that they can

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<v Speaker 2>charge fees, so that seems to be even that seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be in dispute right now.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Also, you know, Trump is saying that it'll be fully

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<v Speaker 1>open by Friday when the sign when they signed the agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>but when they were last talking about what the deal

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<v Speaker 1>would look like, it was going to take thirty days

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<v Speaker 1>to potentially remove the mines that are in place. And

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I were I were an oil tanker,

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<v Speaker 1>I would definitely want to go after several.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I wouldn't want to be first.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of like no no after you, after you, exon,

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<v Speaker 1>no no, no after you.

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<v Speaker 4>Every restaurant opening gets delayed, you know, like when you

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<v Speaker 4>do a remodeling, takes a lot to get the cat out.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to be the third or fourth oil tank

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, maybe fifth or six? Can I read you, guys?

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<v Speaker 4>One quote from a senior administration official. I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 4>his name rhyme so with a HEYDI prant. One of

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<v Speaker 4>the really cool things and interesting things about this entire

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<v Speaker 4>process that we actually have a direct relationship with a

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<v Speaker 4>number of people at the highest.

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<v Speaker 2>Levels of the Iranian government.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, you could have just called them and not

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<v Speaker 4>killed like their whole family.

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<v Speaker 2>So that the war the war, the war was literally

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<v Speaker 2>the friends we made along with That's what that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we learned.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, hey, man, I know it's hard to make

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<v Speaker 1>adult friends.

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<v Speaker 2>Jdvan the male loneliness crisis, he's saw unbelievable. With the

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<v Speaker 2>Iran war. Where's the There's some back and forth on

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<v Speaker 2>the sanctions relief too, So it's like, first it was

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<v Speaker 2>we heard some reports that there'd be twelve billion and

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions relief right away, with another twenty four billion coming

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<v Speaker 2>later depending on what Iran does. And then Iran's asking

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<v Speaker 2>for like a pot of three hundred billion dollars that

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<v Speaker 2>they might be able to access down the road. Now

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like there's no sanctions relief right away. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's also like where is the money coming? This is

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<v Speaker 2>like it would be unfrozen asset. It's right, yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 2>much of unfrozen.

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<v Speaker 4>Like there's a bunch of frozen money, that is the

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<v Speaker 4>Iranians money is sitting in banks and Qatar for example.

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<v Speaker 4>Then there's all this Tacola guth up to a three

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<v Speaker 4>hundred billion dollar investment fund that will come from golf countries.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the truth is no one knows Iran's real

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<v Speaker 4>money is going to come from slapping fees on ships

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<v Speaker 4>that go through the strait or her moves going forward

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<v Speaker 4>and sanctions relief.

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<v Speaker 2>Is my guest selling all its oil again?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well it's they've already claimed that the DOCU sign

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<v Speaker 1>has done or however they did it over email. What

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<v Speaker 1>is released the text? If the if the Iranians have

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<v Speaker 1>seen it and signed it, and we've seen it and

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<v Speaker 1>signed it, there's no secrets between us. So to me, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I can't think of a reason why Iron

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't want the text out there. It seems to me

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<v Speaker 1>that Vans and Trump are trying to spin this thing

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<v Speaker 1>until we see the text and everybody loses their fucking mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe there's something about Jeffrey Epstein in the text.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that could be he negotiates this thing. There

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<v Speaker 2>we go. Boy, that would be what a surprise that

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<v Speaker 2>one connect the conspiracy. Trump was always going to say

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<v Speaker 2>whatever deal signed was better than Obama's Iran deal. You

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<v Speaker 2>were saying Tommy this morning that the comparison is apples

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<v Speaker 2>and oranges. Yeah, in the case.

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<v Speaker 4>In the case of the apples, there was a deal

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<v Speaker 4>that when it's a force, and that worked for a

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<v Speaker 4>couple of years. According to Trump's own top national security aids.

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<v Speaker 4>In Trump's case, there is no deal. There exists a

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<v Speaker 4>just to remind everybody, with a JCPOA said the preamble

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<v Speaker 4>of the JCPOA said, quote, Iran reaffirms and under no

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<v Speaker 4>circumstances will Iron ever seek develop or acquire nuclear weapons. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>So whenever Trump says, look, they said they're not going

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<v Speaker 4>to get a nuclear weapon. That was already enshrined in

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<v Speaker 4>the JCPOA and also enshrined in another treaty called the NPT,

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<v Speaker 2>That's a labor that.

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<v Speaker 4>But to make sure that Iron could not get a

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear weapon, the JCPOA said, Iran had to reduce its

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<v Speaker 4>enrichment capacity by two thirds. I meant like taking down

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<v Speaker 4>or shipping out or shutting out all their centrifuges. They

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<v Speaker 4>had a Captain Richmond at three point six percent purity,

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<v Speaker 4>three point six seven percent purity. They had to ship

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<v Speaker 4>out ninety seven percent of their stockpile and allow the

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<v Speaker 4>IAEA to inspect all of their nuclear sites in the

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<v Speaker 4>cree to not build a new enrichment facility for up

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<v Speaker 4>to fifteen years. Republicans are always mad about the sunset

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<v Speaker 4>provisions in that agreement, but it was working, and it worked,

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<v Speaker 4>and it sounds like Trump is maybe at best going

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<v Speaker 4>to get a similar deal after launching this disastrous war

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<v Speaker 4>that he could have gotten if he just tried to renegotiate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we need a president without sunset provision.

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<v Speaker 1>Is the problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it does seem like now that the blockade will

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<v Speaker 2>be over and the strait is open, Like, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a lot of pressure on Iran to get

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<v Speaker 2>something out of these negotiations. It's just if they want

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<v Speaker 2>sanctions relief, which I'm sure they do, then maybe they

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<v Speaker 2>make a deal. But they've also been going on quite

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<v Speaker 2>a long time without sanctions relief, so it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>like there's a forcing mechanism here. So Israeli and US

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<v Speaker 2>officials are both saying that Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon is

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<v Speaker 2>not part of the agreement. Iran and Pakistan are saying

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<v Speaker 2>an end to all military operations in Lebanon is part

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<v Speaker 2>of the agreement. Trump has also been publicly attacking that

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<v Speaker 2>Yah Who over the last few days for launching strikes

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<v Speaker 2>in Lebanon that nearly tanked the deal. He told Axios

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<v Speaker 2>that BB has quote no fucking judgment. So this chapter

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<v Speaker 2>of the conflict seems unresolved. What do you guys make

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<v Speaker 2>of the Trump BB dust up and where this goes

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<v Speaker 2>from here?

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<v Speaker 1>That was in an interview in which Trump said that

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<v Speaker 1>Israel launching those strikes delayed the deal from going through,

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<v Speaker 1>and then after the deal goes through, in which Iran

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<v Speaker 1>and Trump are claiming Israel is bound Nenyah who says

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<v Speaker 1>retain all their prerogatives to defend Israel from attack. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I don't understand what is supposed to happen over

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<v Speaker 1>the next sixty days and how you get to the

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<v Speaker 1>end of sixty days without Trump threatening further military escalation

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<v Speaker 1>to get to a deal, or Israel threatening military escalation

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<v Speaker 1>or there being some kind of a fight in Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 1>Because in his first comments about this, Who said, plainly,

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<v Speaker 1>we reserve the right to prevent Iran from having a

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear weapon that will continue to be our position regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of an agreement.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, every time Detnyah who wants to try to blow

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<v Speaker 4>up talks or prevent a deal, he just bombs somewhere

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<v Speaker 4>in Beirut. And he tried that move again here and

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<v Speaker 4>it seems to have pissed Trump off, and actually I

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<v Speaker 4>think probably sped.

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<v Speaker 2>Up the deal.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, do you think it's hard to overstate how

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<v Speaker 4>negative the reaction to this deal is in Israel?

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<v Speaker 2>Right now?

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<v Speaker 4>I follow this one Israeli political security analyst who was

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<v Speaker 4>in the idea for twenty five years. Then he ran

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<v Speaker 4>the head of the Iran branch for Israeli military intelligence

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<v Speaker 4>at one point, so, like you know, pretty hardline guy.

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<v Speaker 4>He described the deal as a political insecurity catastrophe for

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<v Speaker 4>Israel because the nuclear issue is unresolved and the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that Trump lost the war will likely defer future presidents

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<v Speaker 4>from taking military action against Ron. What you're just saying

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<v Speaker 4>there about the lack of stick now for the Iranians

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<v Speaker 4>And it also it seems like iron will end up

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<v Speaker 4>stronger because they will have all these financial incentives and

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<v Speaker 4>there will never there won't really be a credible to

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<v Speaker 4>turn anymore, because no President's going to want to touch

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<v Speaker 4>the stove. And so this is a huge for Ntnia himself.

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<v Speaker 4>He was mister iron, he was mister security, he was

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<v Speaker 4>the guy who could manipulate Washington. Now he's none of

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<v Speaker 4>those things. He's got an election coming up. And here's

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<v Speaker 4>what some of his opponents are saying. Aving Dor Lieberman

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<v Speaker 4>said a catastrophe. From Israel's perspective, that was one quote, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>you're lapede the moderate. This is one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>shocking failures of Israel's foreign insecurity policy period. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think I'm also watching whether n Yeah tries to blow

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<v Speaker 4>this up. I mean, they're currently occupying the Ford operating

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<v Speaker 4>line for the IDEF right now is six miles into Lebanon.

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<v Speaker 4>They say they're not going to retreat from that, but

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<v Speaker 4>they're also going to get shot at by Hesbulas. So

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<v Speaker 4>I just I'm not sure how this is going to go.

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<v Speaker 4>But he needs to be careful because he needs Trump's

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<v Speaker 4>help both politically and in terms of security support going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>But also you can imagine from Trump's perspective that he's thinking, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I got this whole thing done. If the negotiations over

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<v Speaker 2>the nuclear program don't really go anywhere. No one at

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<v Speaker 2>home's really going to care or notice, and I can

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<v Speaker 2>just move on. Bbe though, for everything you just said,

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<v Speaker 2>Tommy clearly is not done with Lebanon and Hesbela and

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<v Speaker 2>is now feeling all kinds of pressure yep, to continue that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure Trump thinks, well, BIB can do whatever he wants. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm washing my hands of this, like I don't I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to deal with it. But Iran knows that

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<v Speaker 2>the best way to get the US back into the

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<v Speaker 2>conflict and to draw them, to draw us back in,

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<v Speaker 2>is to close the straight again. So like you can

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<v Speaker 2>imagine that, like BB goes into Lebanon and then there's

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<v Speaker 2>another and then Iran, you know, fires to help let

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<v Speaker 2>Hesbela and they go back and forth, and Trump wants

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<v Speaker 2>to stay out of the whole thing, but Iran of

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<v Speaker 2>course knows that it can get us back into the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing just by closing the straight again. And so

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<v Speaker 2>like Trump's Trump's dream, I'm sure is like let these

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<v Speaker 2>people fight it out. I don't care anymore. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to wash my hands with this, Like I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think it's gonna be that easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Do Hesbela can launch missiles at any time to draw

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<v Speaker 1>Israel back into the conflict and draw criticism from the

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<v Speaker 1>world because Israel is escalating the conflict in response to Hesblad.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of what Iran has been doing is using haze

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<v Speaker 1>Bla to make this conflict also about Lebanon, which it

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<v Speaker 1>successfully did, right because now Israel, because now you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Iran can call off Hesbla for a short period of

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<v Speaker 1>time while demanding Israel adhere to a ceasefire in which

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<v Speaker 1>it's perpetually under threat from Hesbela in the north. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's just the stupidity of this war. We will just

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<v Speaker 1>be living with it for just a very very long time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, the Iranis have said, they've made clear

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<v Speaker 4>that if the Israelis hit targets in parts of Beirut,

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<v Speaker 4>they will fire back directly at Tel Aviv. And that's

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<v Speaker 4>the linkage they created in the two conflicts. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think it's a very dangerous place for Nanyahu to bebs people,

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<v Speaker 4>especially in northern Israel, feel like they're living under constant

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<v Speaker 4>threat from Hesbwela bombardment. They are, Yeah, it's totally fair

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<v Speaker 4>to feel that way, But in terms of as a

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<v Speaker 4>security measure, this such as backfire fired spectacularly for Nanya.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about how the memo is playing in magaworld,

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<v Speaker 2>which has been divided over Iran Bloodthirsty warmonger Lindsay Graham

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<v Speaker 2>raised some eyebrows when he tweeted that, while he was

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<v Speaker 2>pleased to hear the strait will be reopened, he's quote

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<v Speaker 2>somewhat concerned with what the Iranians are saying about them.

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<v Speaker 2>You believe that Congress must have the final say on

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<v Speaker 2>any nuclear agreement, and quote, it is imperative that the

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<v Speaker 2>architect of the deal, Vice President Vance, and his negotiating

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<v Speaker 2>partners end quote, be part of presenting any final deal

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<v Speaker 2>to Congress. Uh So what's that all about? You think?

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<v Speaker 2>And have you guys seen any other noteworthy reactions from

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<v Speaker 2>either the anti war magafaction or the Iran Hawks.

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<v Speaker 1>Saw John Bolton criticizing it. The Lindsay Graham being unable

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<v Speaker 1>to criticize Trump because Donald Trump cannot fail, He can

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<v Speaker 1>only be failed. So pathetic. You want to hang this

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<v Speaker 1>around JD. Vance's neck because he's easier to criticize. You

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<v Speaker 1>feel like you have a little bit more. You're just

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<v Speaker 1>just not scared of the guy. It's just it's all

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the usual pathetic instagram.

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<v Speaker 4>The anti Iran hawks are losing their minds. I interpreted

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<v Speaker 4>Graham's comments both as wrapping this thing around jd Vance's neck,

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<v Speaker 4>but also maybe suggesting that this would be subject to

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<v Speaker 4>a sixty seven vote threshold in the Senate, which means

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<v Speaker 4>it would be dead or Yeah, treaties require too to vote.

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<v Speaker 4>The jcpoway was not treated as a treaty, thus future

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<v Speaker 4>presidents were not bound by it, So maybe that's the

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<v Speaker 4>argument here. But like Mark Levin, the Fox News host,

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<v Speaker 4>is losing his mind on an hourly basis, He's getting

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<v Speaker 4>in fights with like the National Security SEMIA, the neo

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<v Speaker 4>kon thank tanks are losing their minds. There's one called FDD,

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<v Speaker 4>the Foundation for the Defense of Democracy, which is just

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<v Speaker 4>this garbage human beings, you know, propped up by right

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<v Speaker 4>wing billionaire money who do nothing but push for wars

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<v Speaker 4>that they nor their kids will ever fight in. I

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<v Speaker 4>haven't heard APAC way in that. That's they've been sort

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<v Speaker 4>of suspiciously quiet. So but the hawkish wing of the

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<v Speaker 4>Republican Party is furious. They know this is a capitulation,

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<v Speaker 4>they know Trump lost. They're just trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 4>how to undo it.

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<v Speaker 2>I hate to break it to Lindsay Graham and maybe JD. Vance,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't think Congress will be viewing any kind

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<v Speaker 2>deal actually getting done at this point. A good point

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<v Speaker 2>you can see Graham going after Vance is like you said,

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<v Speaker 2>because you know it can't criticize Trump, but also it's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a warning shot Jdvance about twenty twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>And it did make me think that if this goes

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<v Speaker 2>as we think it's going to go, and the Iron

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<v Speaker 2>Warhawks are all pissed off, someone's going to try to

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<v Speaker 2>launch some kind of a more pro war campaign in

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<v Speaker 2>the Republican primary against the Jdvance that is destined to fail,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way Tom Cotton or something exactly. But you

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<v Speaker 2>can see Lindsay Cruise. Yeah, Lindsay they want to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hold Jdvans up. Is like beware, beware, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>come after We're gonna come after you in a primary

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<v Speaker 2>with our hawks, which is like, oh, I'd be so snared. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know that's gonna work, but you can

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<v Speaker 2>see that, you can see that maybe like Ted Cruz,

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<v Speaker 2>who's also I saw thinking about a presidential campaign again. Amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>amazing stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>implications of all this for them midterms and beyond. There's

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<v Speaker 2>just move on from Iran and pretend like it never happened,

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<v Speaker 2>what Democrats say about any of this over the next

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<v Speaker 2>few weeks and months. Tommy, you want to take the

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<v Speaker 2>I know you have some thoughts on the last one, especially.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I think that being a Democrat in this situation

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<v Speaker 4>is very hard because we are trying to be responsible.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, if a Democrat was cutting this deal,

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<v Speaker 4>of Barack Obama was making this agreement, Republicans would say,

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<v Speaker 4>you're weak, You're a coward, you lost you know Rinse

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<v Speaker 4>repeat on Fox News at nauseum, and it's a simple

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<v Speaker 4>and powerful message, you know, strength versus weakness. Our job

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<v Speaker 4>is harder because again, ending the war was the best

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<v Speaker 4>of a bad set of options. But we need to

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<v Speaker 4>explain why Trump's starting the war has made us worse

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<v Speaker 4>off as a nation, because I think we just need

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<v Speaker 4>to kill in Finally, this neo con argument that you

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<v Speaker 4>can bomb your way to peace, this in I rock.

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<v Speaker 4>Somehow it wasn't discredited. Then now we're at war with

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<v Speaker 4>Iran and it's just a nightmare. And so again it's

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<v Speaker 4>repeating that we failed on the core objectives and just

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<v Speaker 4>arguing that we could have gotten the deal. Trump will

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<v Speaker 4>potentially get after this sixty days of negotiation without ever

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<v Speaker 4>going to war. The original sin was not in twenty

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<v Speaker 4>and eighteen just trying to renegotiate the JCPOA. And I

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<v Speaker 4>think Democrats need to be more full throated in support

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<v Speaker 4>of diplomatic solutions to problems, stopping afraid of their own

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<v Speaker 4>shadow on this stuff, and more full throated about why

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<v Speaker 4>regime change wars in the Middle East were a disaster.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we'd all gotten there, but apparently not.

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<v Speaker 1>The good news is extremely unpopular, like shockingly unpopular. Sixty

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<v Speaker 1>days from now is what like mid August, and so

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<v Speaker 1>two possibilities, well the whole range of possibilities, but two

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<v Speaker 1>possibilities are there is a deal, in which case Trump

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<v Speaker 1>will do everything you can to make it seem like

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<v Speaker 1>he did this amazing move to start the war, to

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<v Speaker 1>get us to a busy to negotiate the deal, and

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<v Speaker 1>that'll be about selling. That'll be about us make telling

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<v Speaker 1>just the story of how we got here and how

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<v Speaker 1>stupid and dangerous and bad it was. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>other is God only knows the kind of chaos that

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<v Speaker 1>could happen in the next sixty days. You know there's

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<v Speaker 1>algae and the he drained the fucking reflecting pool to

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<v Speaker 1>paint it blue. But the algie's back, he's not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he's he does not have some magical ability to avoid

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<v Speaker 1>the realities of the world. And uh, like the I

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<v Speaker 1>think we will it will be so close to the

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<v Speaker 1>election by the time we either get to a deal

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<v Speaker 1>or don't that we will be able to I think

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<v Speaker 1>make it a big part of people's dissatisfaction with the economy,

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<v Speaker 1>the high cost of living in everything that will carry

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<v Speaker 1>on for weeks from now, if not months from now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's also like the straight or moves is not a

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<v Speaker 4>valve you turn on and off, it's on a gas

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<v Speaker 4>is not flowing. It's like oil futures prices can go

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<v Speaker 4>down quickly, but tankers will now have to come out

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<v Speaker 4>and future tankers will have to go back in load

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<v Speaker 4>up their gas and then transit it. Like I think

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<v Speaker 4>there already reports that these oil and gas companies are

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<v Speaker 4>kind of moving cautiously because they don't know, like that

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<v Speaker 4>this isn't a final deal. There's no agreement, there's no

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<v Speaker 4>nuclear agreement. Trump is threatening to go back to war,

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<v Speaker 4>and so I just don't think this is going to

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<v Speaker 4>be resolved quickly, maybe it's like months.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably I think even under the best case scenario, gas

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<v Speaker 2>prices come down between now November, but they don't end

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<v Speaker 2>up where they were before this conflict started at all,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's just going to take time. Even the most

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<v Speaker 2>conservative economic estimates are saying that. I also think for

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<v Speaker 2>Democrats you go out there, it's like Donald Trump just

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<v Speaker 2>spent the last year embroiling this country in a war

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<v Speaker 2>that he lost, that cost us upwards of maybe one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred billion dollars, and then, however, many more billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>people paid in higher fuel costs. And he hasn't seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to have learned any lessons, nor have the Republicans in Congress.

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<v Speaker 2>And if you return a Republican Congress to him, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just going to create more war. They're going to jump

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<v Speaker 2>into more wars. He's still talking about Cuba, he still

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<v Speaker 2>has Greenland on his mind. Like the guy is a

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<v Speaker 2>bloodthirsty maniac, and so are the Republicans in Congress who

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<v Speaker 2>approved it. And do you want them do you want

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<v Speaker 2>them to spend even more of your money on more

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<v Speaker 2>war and making the like what did this war get us?

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<v Speaker 2>It got us nothing, nothing, nothing. It's just cost It

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<v Speaker 2>got us nothing, and it cost us a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Fourteen people died, thousands of people dying in the region,

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<v Speaker 1>and just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it made us less safe, as it didn't make

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<v Speaker 2>the country any safer.

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<v Speaker 1>The you know, when we talk about like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the cost being higher, like and the it's always very abstract,

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<v Speaker 1>like people's lives were ruined by the fact that suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>their fuel went up, where they suddenly didn't have access

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<v Speaker 1>to raw materials. Like this had a huge ramifications for

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<v Speaker 1>the global economy that we felt for a very long time.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, everyone who's just predictab oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is when, this is when gas prices will go down.

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<v Speaker 1>This is when oil prices will go down. The market

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<v Speaker 1>says what the oil is worth right now. The market

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<v Speaker 1>says what the gas prices will work. If people thought

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<v Speaker 1>and knew that the prices would go down, they'd already

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<v Speaker 1>be down. People have no idea what the future holds

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<v Speaker 1>because we're dealing with fucking maniacs and the complexities of

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<v Speaker 1>reopening the Strait and all the rest. Nobody knows what

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<v Speaker 1>gas prices will be in September or October. If they did,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the price would be.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So one funny footnote on the timing of when

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<v Speaker 2>the Iron Agreement was announced. The Iranians didn't want to

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<v Speaker 2>do it on Trump's actual birthday, so they waited until

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<v Speaker 2>it was Monday in Tehran, just to be as petty

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<v Speaker 2>as fuck. Which got to hand it to him. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess yes it was. They literally used the time change

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<v Speaker 2>to keep both Trump and the Iranians happy, so then

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<v Speaker 2>Trump could say he announced it on his birthday, but

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<v Speaker 2>the Iranians can say, no, we didn't because it was Monday.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, it's no.

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<v Speaker 2>Your eightieth birthday.

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<v Speaker 1>It's adults who care about their birthday. Everything being about

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<v Speaker 1>Trump's fucking birthday. It is also embarrassing the Iranians feeling

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<v Speaker 1>like they can get one over on Trump by kind

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<v Speaker 1>of holding it to not sign it technically on the

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<v Speaker 1>birthday is stupid, but it's in response to dealing with

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<v Speaker 1>a guy that clearly wanted the fun of signing the

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<v Speaker 1>thing on his fucking.

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<v Speaker 2>Birthday, which happened. We have a world run by tyrants.

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<v Speaker 2>They're all just little petty bitches. It's unbelievable, so dumb.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, none of this stopped Trump from celebrating the

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<v Speaker 2>deal or himself He threw a low key party at

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<v Speaker 2>the White House Sunday night, where the South Lawn was

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<v Speaker 2>transformed into a Vegas style UFC arena that hosted a

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<v Speaker 2>cage match attended by four thousand lucky guests and broadcast

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<v Speaker 2>it to paramount plus subscribers. The sixty million dollar event

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<v Speaker 2>paid for by the UFC and other sponsors. It's truly

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<v Speaker 2>surreal to watch. Here's some of what it looked like.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll just sort of narrate this for those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who are just listening. There's Trump and Dana White walking

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<v Speaker 2>out of the Oval. There's a flyover. I love a

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<v Speaker 2>good flyover. And here's an actual eagle. It's called also

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<v Speaker 2>pretty Sick. There's the fight, one of the fights. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a couple of there's a little evil Knieval action happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Home.

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<v Speaker 2>This is one of the fighters walking out from the Oval.

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<v Speaker 2>Mochelle Obama A man am I right America? Yeah, even

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<v Speaker 2>the crabs like and that was Josh Hokitt who won

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<v Speaker 2>the heavyweight fight. He's apparently said that before. That was

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<v Speaker 2>this is like a bit of his he said it

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<v Speaker 2>before in a fight. He put it on his Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>like last year, and so you know, it's I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know if that makes it better or worse. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>far right mega thing. They've been saying it from yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but for him especially, it's what I'm saying. So, what

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<v Speaker 2>did you guys think of the fight? So?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like everybody combined a couple a bunch of things,

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<v Speaker 1>Like one was the just the brazen corruption of the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing and having bud Lights sponsorships on the White

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<v Speaker 1>House lawn and the crypto stuff and all the rest.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that Donald Trump made this event about him

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<v Speaker 1>and not the country. I think that's a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of it. If this were a democratic White House that

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<v Speaker 1>also had poetry slams and readings by Pulitzer Prize winning

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<v Speaker 1>journalists and other kind of sophisticated events, and then one

631
00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:36.920
<v Speaker 1>day Barack Obama was like, guess what, We're gonna have

632
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.880
<v Speaker 1>motorcycles jumping over each other on the South lawn. I'd

633
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.160
<v Speaker 1>be like, that's great. Having an eagle fly around and

634
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>land on somebody's arm during the during America celebration, that's great.

635
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.880
<v Speaker 1>All these sort of busy bodies on social media being

636
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:51.440
<v Speaker 1>like Thornton Wilder once visited the White House, Like guys, guys,

637
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<v Speaker 1>can you can you please not be a bunch of

638
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:57.279
<v Speaker 1>pressy stuck up people. People like fucking motorcycles. I have

639
00:29:57.359 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 1>no problem with that. That is entertaining and it could

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<v Speaker 1>be on the White House law. Zero problem with that.

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00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:04.319
<v Speaker 1>It is the corruption and then making it about him

642
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 1>and it being a right wing maga thing like that

643
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<v Speaker 1>is the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, President's hold events on the South Lone. Sometimes it's

645
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<v Speaker 4>a concert. Sometimes it's the dude in a bunny suit

646
00:30:13.079 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 4>rolling easter eggs. Sometimes it's a cage fight. It's like,

647
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<v Speaker 4>that is what it is. That but didn't bother me either.

648
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.599
<v Speaker 4>The corpus sponsorship stuff that we're going to get in

649
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.839
<v Speaker 4>to in a minute is where it gets really gross.

650
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<v Speaker 4>But just politically, I don't know that it was smart

651
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<v Speaker 4>for Trump. I think UFC fans will love it. Trump

652
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 4>super fans will love it. Regular people that are pissed

653
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:31.400
<v Speaker 4>about inflation, or just be like, what are you doing?

654
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:32.960
<v Speaker 4>How are you spending your time this way?

655
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 2>The Reuters did a poll.

656
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<v Speaker 4>Just sixteen percent of Americans said it was appropriate for

657
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<v Speaker 4>Trump to hold the Ultimate Fighting Championship event for his

658
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<v Speaker 4>eightieth birthday, while forty six percent said it was inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 2>The rest for like whatever, I don't care anymore, so

660
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<v Speaker 2>whatever it is, what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>But also like there's a lot better sports to watch

662
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<v Speaker 4>this weekend, the next one, the NBA Championship. There's a

663
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<v Speaker 4>million World Cup games. The Stanley Cup finals were on,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I was doing other things. I don't have paramount plus,

665
00:30:57.519 --> 00:30:58.359
<v Speaker 4>so I couldn't even watch it.

666
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<v Speaker 2>We have paramount pluts for some some kids programs, and

667
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it was uh so I watched the whole thing, and

668
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:06.359
<v Speaker 2>I tried to watch it as someone who was just like, Okay,

669
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<v Speaker 2>what if I was not really paying attention to politics,

670
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 2>what would this look like? And like, first of all,

671
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 2>the production value outstanding A plus. It looked great, Like

672
00:31:13.559 --> 00:31:16.839
<v Speaker 2>the whole event looked really cool. There were like and look,

673
00:31:16.880 --> 00:31:19.720
<v Speaker 2>there are some UFC fighters who have commented publicly about

674
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<v Speaker 2>how this is like a gross thing to do, in

675
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<v Speaker 2>cynical for the president to make it all about him,

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<v Speaker 2>and and we're gonna talk about the coruption and all that.

677
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<v Speaker 2>The parts that made it more about Trump were the

678
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:31.400
<v Speaker 2>parts that you are like, what is this? You know?

679
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<v Speaker 2>And first of all, also the fights weren't that great,

680
00:31:33.799 --> 00:31:35.640
<v Speaker 2>which like I'm not a UFC person, but it was

681
00:31:35.680 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 2>like all of them were kind of quick and the

682
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.160
<v Speaker 2>first round knockouts, yeah, and they were like knockouts, but

683
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it was just and then you see,

684
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<v Speaker 2>like it's just like that the number of times it

685
00:31:44.759 --> 00:31:46.839
<v Speaker 2>panned to Trump and then it talked about Trump, and

686
00:31:46.880 --> 00:31:49.799
<v Speaker 2>then like then there's Mark Zuckerberg and then there's the

687
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:52.519
<v Speaker 2>president of crypto dot com and all this kind of shit,

688
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>and so like all of the accouterments around it were

689
00:31:56.039 --> 00:31:58.359
<v Speaker 2>like could get really annoying. But the fight itself and

690
00:31:58.400 --> 00:32:00.319
<v Speaker 2>the and the way it looked with the white in

691
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:01.799
<v Speaker 2>the background, like looked pretty cool.

692
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<v Speaker 1>But this is where like you will, well we should talk,

693
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<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about their corruption. But this is where you

694
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<v Speaker 1>can't separate the fact that he is so corrupt from

695
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<v Speaker 1>the event itself, because Donald Trump is trying to steal

696
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:16.039
<v Speaker 1>the like patriotism and excitement and prestige of America's birthday

697
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>and kind of put it on himself. But the end

698
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>result is really just he gets his stink on like

699
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:25.000
<v Speaker 1>the White House and the event itself, because if you

700
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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that this was so partisan and so corrupt

701
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:30.960
<v Speaker 1>and such a boondoggle and such favoritism and just so

702
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:32.039
<v Speaker 1>much corporate interest.

703
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<v Speaker 2>Then like, maybe it wouldn't be.

704
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.279
<v Speaker 1>So terrible to have a flyover or to have marine

705
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:39.519
<v Speaker 1>standing behind a fighter whatever. It may not be the

706
00:32:39.599 --> 00:32:41.400
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing I would normally want to watch, but

707
00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>it wouldn't be so despicable. But to use the military

708
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<v Speaker 1>and to use these symbols for such a corrupt practice,

709
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<v Speaker 1>I think is why the whole thing becomes so sorted

710
00:32:48.880 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 1>and ugly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I will say the walking the fighters out through

712
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.119
<v Speaker 2>the oval and the dip room and having all like

713
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.599
<v Speaker 2>the Marines there saluting the like it was that that

714
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<v Speaker 2>part was like a little.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, just because it's a for profit event.

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<v Speaker 2>And because a for profit event, and the whole America

717
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<v Speaker 2>two fifty thing too, because it's like whatever president is

718
00:33:10.599 --> 00:33:13.119
<v Speaker 2>leading the country. When it's America's two hundred fiftieth or

719
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>two seventy five or three hundred whatever, you get to

720
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:18.000
<v Speaker 2>do your own thing right. But they sort of went

721
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:21.319
<v Speaker 2>out of the way to make it feel exclusionary to

722
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.519
<v Speaker 2>anyone who wasn't MAGA, and just in the way that

723
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<v Speaker 2>they did the event right like they could, and not

724
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<v Speaker 2>just by being a UFC fight. You could have done

725
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>a UFC fight. That still seems welcoming and unifying to

726
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<v Speaker 2>most of the country.

727
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<v Speaker 1>This is where like it's we're back to where Trump

728
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<v Speaker 1>was in the first term, where he was always taking

729
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<v Speaker 1>pictures in front of the desk. They're fucking tourist because

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<v Speaker 1>they know they don't belong, and so they walk through

731
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<v Speaker 1>this gold plated room that looks like as a gold

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<v Speaker 1>fungal infection, and kind of they show through these fighters

733
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<v Speaker 1>walking through all the rooms like a bit like the

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<v Speaker 1>kind of it reminds me of like when like human

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<v Speaker 1>beings in some apocalyptic future stumble upon a museum and

736
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<v Speaker 1>they're walking through looking around me.

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<v Speaker 2>Like who built this?

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<v Speaker 1>How is this even here? Like that's sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>It would have been entirely possible for Trump to throw

764
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<v Speaker 2>himself a sixty million dollar UFC birthday party without also

765
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:25.199
<v Speaker 2>turning it into an orgy of corruption, but that would

766
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:28.199
<v Speaker 2>take all the fun out of it. First, the broadcast itself.

767
00:35:28.880 --> 00:35:31.320
<v Speaker 2>Dana White originally said that the fight would be free

768
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:35.159
<v Speaker 2>on CBS, now owned by Paramount, but it ended up

769
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<v Speaker 2>on the nine dollars and ninety nine cent per month

770
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.119
<v Speaker 2>Paramount Plus instead. Paramount is of course owned now by

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<v Speaker 2>Trump all Trump ally David Ellison, who had a front

772
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:47.880
<v Speaker 2>row seat to the fight two days after Trump's DOJ

773
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:52.440
<v Speaker 2>approved his latest acquisition of Warner Brothers Discovery, which includes CNN.

774
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:54.880
<v Speaker 2>I think there's also like a brunch or a dinner

775
00:35:54.880 --> 00:35:57.119
<v Speaker 2>for David Ellison that weekend, to big party for that,

776
00:35:57.159 --> 00:36:00.400
<v Speaker 2>so everyone is celebrating the big merger. As for Trump himself,

777
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:02.800
<v Speaker 2>ahead of the fight, the president quietly purchased between fifteen

778
00:36:02.840 --> 00:36:06.360
<v Speaker 2>thousand and fifty thousand worth of stock in TKO Holding Group,

779
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<v Speaker 2>which owns UFC, which is.

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<v Speaker 4>Nothing for him, but like optically so stupid, you know

781
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:12.039
<v Speaker 4>what I mean, Just don't do that.

782
00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Just doesn't care anymore. There were also some tweets that

783
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<v Speaker 2>appeared to be between Eric Trump and UFC commentator Daniel

784
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 2>Kormier looking for inside information for betting on the fights.

785
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<v Speaker 2>The Cormier is saying publicly that his account was hacked.

786
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Not to fear the fight still offered plenty of opportunities

787
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:28.639
<v Speaker 2>to make the Trump family richer. Take a listen.

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<v Speaker 6>It's two hundred and fifty thousand dollars performance boss and

789
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<v Speaker 6>USD one is presented by World Liberty Financial. Who's casting

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<v Speaker 6>for broadcast is Trump Cory stock on the official UFC's

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<v Speaker 6>Threeking two fifties Testil Edition medallions.

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<v Speaker 3>This bouts proudly sponsored by True Social, the real boice

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<v Speaker 3>of President Trump. Yeah, well, Truth Social.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I was watching that home, That's what I was like.

795
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<v Speaker 2>This it's too much if you didn't catch all that.

796
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<v Speaker 2>One of the official sponsors of the event was the

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<v Speaker 2>Trump's family crypto operation in World Liberty Financial. We've talked

798
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:04.719
<v Speaker 2>about this a lot here. For this event, they created

799
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<v Speaker 2>a two hundred and fifty thousand bonus pool for the fighters,

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<v Speaker 2>which is to be paid in their stable coin USD one.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you heard there was also a sponsorship plug

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<v Speaker 2>there for trump coins dot com, which is selling commemorative

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<v Speaker 2>medallions designed by President Trump at prices up to twelve

804
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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars a piece coin heavy event.

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<v Speaker 1>Some real coin just in eighty attacks whoever's buying these

806
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<v Speaker 1>fucking coins?

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<v Speaker 2>Reacting to a bunch of these stories. The White House

808
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<v Speaker 2>said that Donald Trump only acts in the best interests

809
00:37:32.159 --> 00:37:34.400
<v Speaker 2>of the American publish and that his assets are in

810
00:37:34.480 --> 00:37:37.079
<v Speaker 2>a trust managed by his children. So what's the problem, guy,

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<v Speaker 2>Jesus Christ?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, politically speaking, Trump should be furious that this

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<v Speaker 4>thing was on Paramount plus. Right, that limits the distribution.

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00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:45.320
<v Speaker 4>That hurts him, Right, this is his propaganda event. Why

815
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<v Speaker 4>is it not seen by more people? So you're like, Okay,

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00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:49.039
<v Speaker 4>I get what Paramount plus got. They got to add

817
00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.119
<v Speaker 4>subs to get people to buy this. What's the kickback?

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00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.760
<v Speaker 4>I'd like to know. The cryptos of is disgraceful. Remember,

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<v Speaker 4>like the USD one is their stable coin. Remember that

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<v Speaker 4>Trump's got the mri is to use their stable coin

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<v Speaker 4>in this transaction. When they invested two billion into finance,

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<v Speaker 4>that like made it the seventh biggest stable coin in

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<v Speaker 4>the world. And then Reuters did this big investigation of

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<v Speaker 4>the Trump family crypto assets. They found the Trump famili

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<v Speaker 4>has made two point three billion in profit. And then

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<v Speaker 4>of course on the other side of that, you have

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<v Speaker 4>like a million retail investors who've gotten fleeced and have

828
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<v Speaker 4>taken two point three billion in losses. So this is

829
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<v Speaker 4>just an ongoing, you know, show of the way they're

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<v Speaker 4>using crypto just to like ring money out of their followers.

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<v Speaker 4>I find the the Eric Trump what's his name, Daniel Hornfrmier.

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<v Speaker 4>Thing makes no sense, like Eric Trump, so those stories

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<v Speaker 4>he DM the guy said, hey, is this fight rigged?

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<v Speaker 4>Because I want to bet on it? And then Cormier's like, no,

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<v Speaker 4>I got AI hacked? What does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>You posted the tweet?

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<v Speaker 1>It didn't make sense when Eric said he deleted it

838
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:52.400
<v Speaker 1>because it was fake, But then why would he have

839
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:53.000
<v Speaker 1>posted it?

840
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Eric Trump?

841
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:55.960
<v Speaker 1>Was the first time I believed it might be true

842
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:57.280
<v Speaker 1>was when Eric Trump posted it.

843
00:38:57.519 --> 00:39:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Yes, me too? And then and then Daniel Cormier he

844
00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was asked about it at the fight and was just like,

845
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:04.280
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. Why would anyone believe that? And then he

846
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 2>like tweeted are you all stupid? Why would you? But

847
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:08.679
<v Speaker 2>like you posted it. It's interesting because if you look

848
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:11.119
<v Speaker 2>at the exchanges that they posted or the dms that

849
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.880
<v Speaker 2>they posted, it's very It's not like it's not as

850
00:39:14.920 --> 00:39:17.639
<v Speaker 2>obvious as like, hello, are there any fights rigged? I

851
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:19.360
<v Speaker 2>would like to bet on them? Like it's like you place,

852
00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>how's it going? And he's like, oh, I didn't expect

853
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:22.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear from you, man, how it's good. Good to

854
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:23.840
<v Speaker 2>see you and your family at the fight. Can't wait.

855
00:39:23.840 --> 00:39:25.159
<v Speaker 2>It's like, hey, he plays any bets and then he

856
00:39:25.199 --> 00:39:26.679
<v Speaker 2>just keeps going. He's like, all right, fine, I'll get

857
00:39:26.679 --> 00:39:28.320
<v Speaker 2>to it. Any of the fight's rigged. Who knows what's

858
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.840
<v Speaker 2>real or what's fake anymore. Anything could have happened, could

859
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:32.119
<v Speaker 2>have been hacked, someone could have done it.

860
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:33.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but yeah, well there's the problem with

861
00:39:33.679 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 1>these people being and they don't tell the rog liars,

862
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:38.800
<v Speaker 1>the corrupt liars who It is completely believable to me

863
00:39:38.880 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 1>that it's fake. It is completely believable to me that

864
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:42.920
<v Speaker 1>it is true. You have no credibility.

865
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 2>I would not be surprised in either direction. You are.

866
00:39:45.559 --> 00:39:49.039
<v Speaker 1>You are completely morally vacant operators who are profiting every

867
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>day off the office. We can't take your word for it.

868
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll never know the truth because everyone around you

869
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.639
<v Speaker 1>as a liar. But that's the price of being so dishonest.

870
00:39:58.159 --> 00:40:00.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess. Celebrity attendants at the event, it was mostly

871
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:03.840
<v Speaker 2>limited to the MAGA billionaire sector. In addition to David

872
00:40:03.880 --> 00:40:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Ellison in the Crypto dot Com CEO MMA enthusiasts and

873
00:40:08.519 --> 00:40:13.599
<v Speaker 2>masculinity advocate Mark Zuckerberg was in attendance, maybe not quite

874
00:40:13.599 --> 00:40:16.360
<v Speaker 2>out of Della's baggage claim yet were executives from Anthropic,

875
00:40:16.400 --> 00:40:19.039
<v Speaker 2>who apparently flew to the Capitol last minute to meet

876
00:40:19.039 --> 00:40:22.400
<v Speaker 2>with the Trump administration on Monday. On Friday, the administration

877
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:26.239
<v Speaker 2>slapped export controls on the company's top AI models, which

878
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:32.039
<v Speaker 2>forced Anthropic to take Fable five and Mythos five offline.

879
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Anyone want to talk about what this is all about

880
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 2>with Anthropic and whether it has anything to do with

881
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:39.519
<v Speaker 2>their earlier dispute with the Pentagon.

882
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.920
<v Speaker 1>This to me actually similar to the Eric Trump thing.

883
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.400
<v Speaker 1>It's because we know that they picked this fight with

884
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.239
<v Speaker 1>Anthropic a few months ago. It's actually hard to know

885
00:40:46.400 --> 00:40:48.760
<v Speaker 1>what's true. If you read the details. There does seem

886
00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:52.599
<v Speaker 1>to have been a legitimate concern with access to the

887
00:40:52.679 --> 00:40:56.920
<v Speaker 1>models that were raised by Amazon and others. But then

888
00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it appears the administration, which has a vendetta against Anthropic,

889
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.559
<v Speaker 1>be went too far and its reaction and now the

890
00:41:02.639 --> 00:41:05.280
<v Speaker 1>executives have to fly to DC to make nice because

891
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it's not about what's in the interest of the Pentagon

892
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.559
<v Speaker 1>or the country, but it's about personal relationships and ego,

893
00:41:10.599 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 1>and so they have to figure out how to smooth

894
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>things over, and you can. It is just very hard

895
00:41:16.000 --> 00:41:21.000
<v Speaker 1>to tell the difference between penalizing Anthropic because it's now

896
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:25.400
<v Speaker 1>an enemy of the administration versus actually stepping in because

897
00:41:25.400 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 1>there may have been an issue, or if it's somewhere

898
00:41:26.960 --> 00:41:27.400
<v Speaker 1>in between.

899
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.360
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, so there was a concern about Anthropics

900
00:41:30.440 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 4>model and the ability for it to find cybersecurity vulnerabilities

901
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 4>and exploit them, so they limited the distribution. And then

902
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:38.440
<v Speaker 4>these researchers at Amazon got access to fable five, which

903
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 4>is like it's like Mythos with guardrails.

904
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:42.159
<v Speaker 2>That they released to the public.

905
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:45.639
<v Speaker 4>They were able to trick it essentially into giving them

906
00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:49.000
<v Speaker 4>restrict information, and then the Amazon CEO tattled the Scott

907
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.840
<v Speaker 4>Besson about what happened. Now, normally, exactly that's what you did,

908
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 4>And normally I'd be like, actually, that's good. That's like

909
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:57.199
<v Speaker 4>how the system should work, because you want, you know,

910
00:41:57.280 --> 00:41:59.880
<v Speaker 4>sort of a circum breaker there in some way to

911
00:42:00.039 --> 00:42:02.920
<v Speaker 4>event the distribution of these models to bad actors. And

912
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.719
<v Speaker 4>what they what the administration did was they cut off

913
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:09.519
<v Speaker 4>access for foreign users. But yeah, I mean, it just

914
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 4>the thing that was so odd about this is all

915
00:42:12.559 --> 00:42:15.400
<v Speaker 4>the little Trump propagandists went to Twitter and they try

916
00:42:15.440 --> 00:42:17.599
<v Speaker 4>to dance on Anthropic's grave, and they gave all of

917
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.360
<v Speaker 4>us reason to think, oh, actually, this is just part

918
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.719
<v Speaker 4>of this ongoing pissing match between Anthropic and the Pentagon,

919
00:42:24.280 --> 00:42:28.000
<v Speaker 4>and because the Anthropic doesn't want to create autonomous killer

920
00:42:28.079 --> 00:42:33.280
<v Speaker 4>drones or be used in bulk mass surveillance of American citizens. Yeah,

921
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 4>it was hard to read between the lines and the

922
00:42:35.239 --> 00:42:37.519
<v Speaker 4>Axios story about it too, which is also like, you

923
00:42:37.559 --> 00:42:39.559
<v Speaker 4>know that the Axio story sort of came mostly from

924
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:43.440
<v Speaker 4>the administration, and there's some administration official on background saying like,

925
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.599
<v Speaker 4>the real problem is they don't know how to Anthropic

926
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:48.239
<v Speaker 4>doesn't know how to communicate with this administration, and the

927
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:49.880
<v Speaker 4>ideological differences are.

928
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:51.440
<v Speaker 2>Really getting in the way. And it's like, what does

929
00:42:51.440 --> 00:42:54.519
<v Speaker 2>that have to do with a potential security vulnerability that

930
00:42:54.519 --> 00:42:56.480
<v Speaker 2>you're saying was the root of the problem here, What

931
00:42:56.519 --> 00:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>does the ideological differences in communication have to do with it?

932
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Also, if you know that, if you have insight enough

933
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 1>to know that are communicating effectively with you, then it

934
00:43:05.079 --> 00:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>seems you know what they're trying to communicate. Call him, Yeah,

935
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:09.639
<v Speaker 1>so hey, like, like, you're not being nice enough in

936
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.239
<v Speaker 1>how you're handling me. You have to if you want

937
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:12.719
<v Speaker 1>me to do what you want, you better you better

938
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 1>be a little bit more sensitive to my issues and

939
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:15.519
<v Speaker 1>my needs.

940
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.199
<v Speaker 4>In anthropics preparing for an IPO, it seems like a

941
00:43:18.199 --> 00:43:19.840
<v Speaker 4>great way to damage them in advance of that.

942
00:43:20.039 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, but for what it's worth, we should say.

943
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:24.400
<v Speaker 4>Dana White and a bunch of other participants at the

944
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 4>White House event condemned the comments about Michelle Obama, which

945
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:28.920
<v Speaker 4>was nice to see. Now, the right thing to do

946
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.719
<v Speaker 4>would be Donald Trump to call Michelle Obama and say,

947
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm so sorry that was disgusting, but that.

948
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Was obviously wouldn't even make a just sort of brush

949
00:43:35.880 --> 00:43:38.000
<v Speaker 1>basket refused to apologize in the moment.

950
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.840
<v Speaker 2>You actually see Rogan's face as soon as he said it,

951
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 2>and Rogan was sort of like you like backed away,

952
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:45.800
<v Speaker 2>like do you see what smallest tie was? It was

953
00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.840
<v Speaker 2>very like a half a time. I want to hear

954
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.320
<v Speaker 2>you could tell that like the yeah, the Dana Whites,

955
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:53.840
<v Speaker 2>the people and Donald Trump was probably yeah, like Donald

956
00:43:53.840 --> 00:43:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Trump was probably like, yeah, he probably loves He's reposted

957
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 2>stuff like that in the past. Well, the guy then

958
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:00.800
<v Speaker 2>gave his like metal to Donald Trum, the guy who

959
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 2>made the comment, and Donald Trump accepted it. So it's

960
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.679
<v Speaker 2>just like Trump posted a video of the two of them,

961
00:44:04.760 --> 00:44:07.079
<v Speaker 2>right those apes. Yeah, we're sort of six months ago

962
00:44:07.159 --> 00:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>through the looking glass on that one. One more corrup

963
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:11.840
<v Speaker 2>date that broke as we were preparing to record this.

964
00:44:11.920 --> 00:44:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Gavin Newsom said in a video Monday morning that he

965
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>and his wife are being targeted by Trump's DJ, saying

966
00:44:17.280 --> 00:44:19.400
<v Speaker 2>that federal agents have been knocking on the doors of

967
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.440
<v Speaker 2>their family, friends and former employees. In Newsom's words, he said,

968
00:44:23.480 --> 00:44:26.320
<v Speaker 2>they're digging through quote years and years of documents and

969
00:44:26.480 --> 00:44:29.719
<v Speaker 2>quote abusing the grand jury process, trying to quote look

970
00:44:29.719 --> 00:44:32.360
<v Speaker 2>for a crime. Then there was this line, Donald Trump

971
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:34.719
<v Speaker 2>isn't just coming after me because of my mean tweets.

972
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.559
<v Speaker 2>He's coming after me because I'm considering running for president.

973
00:44:37.880 --> 00:44:39.760
<v Speaker 2>He then went on to attack Trump on corruption for

974
00:44:39.880 --> 00:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>several minutes. We didn't get a ton of detail from

975
00:44:42.840 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 2>Newsom's statement other than the DOJ seems to be focused

976
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:47.880
<v Speaker 2>on Jen, his wife. I saw some takes about how

977
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:52.239
<v Speaker 2>this will be great for Newsom's potential presidential campaign and fundraising. Sure,

978
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:55.599
<v Speaker 2>but it also seems like a fairly chilling preview of

979
00:44:55.639 --> 00:44:58.519
<v Speaker 2>what's to come in twenty twenty eight for any Democrat

980
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:00.360
<v Speaker 2>who runs for president. I don't know what you guys.

981
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, look, it's nice to say it's great for fundraising

982
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:05.639
<v Speaker 1>before we know any of the details about what the

983
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 1>charges could be, how serious it is what they're trying

984
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:11.119
<v Speaker 1>to do. But I don't think anybody, even if it

985
00:45:11.119 --> 00:45:14.199
<v Speaker 1>does make them get some attention, is excited to find

986
00:45:14.239 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 1>out that there's a grand jury trying to indict you.

987
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:23.599
<v Speaker 1>And you know, we have gone from Pam Bondi, who

988
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>was as like client and willing to do Trump spitting

989
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.880
<v Speaker 1>as you could imagine, until we got to Todd blanche

990
00:45:30.880 --> 00:45:35.079
<v Speaker 1>who's somehow even worse. Trump just put his personal attorney

991
00:45:35.440 --> 00:45:38.679
<v Speaker 1>in charge of the Southern District of New York. We

992
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>have a completely politicized Department of Justice on like anything

993
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:44.199
<v Speaker 1>we've ever had before in our history. And part of

994
00:45:44.239 --> 00:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the job will be about not only preventing those things

995
00:45:46.440 --> 00:45:49.159
<v Speaker 1>from impacting our politics directly, but also figuring out how

996
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:51.719
<v Speaker 1>to create guardrails and fix it in the future once

997
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:52.320
<v Speaker 1>Trump is gone.

998
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:54.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, as much as I can understand the kind of

999
00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.760
<v Speaker 4>galaxy brain to political takes like The human take is

1000
00:45:56.800 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 4>Gavin Newsom sits down at dinner and it's like, hey, honey,

1001
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 4>this is to help me in the early States.

1002
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Like, what are we talking about here?

1003
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.840
<v Speaker 4>It's like horribly chilling for your wife to be potentially

1004
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:06.960
<v Speaker 4>prosecuted by the Department of Justice, even if she did

1005
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:07.400
<v Speaker 4>nothing wrong.

1006
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:10.719
<v Speaker 2>It's scary. It'll cost them money. I'll custom time. Yeah. Look,

1007
00:46:10.760 --> 00:46:11.960
<v Speaker 2>the maximally cynical.

1008
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.159
<v Speaker 4>View is that Trump is doing this because he thinks

1009
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 4>Gavin's talented and a possible competitor to the Republican Party

1010
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.079
<v Speaker 4>and wants to take him out of the race preemptively

1011
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:23.079
<v Speaker 4>by going after his family. Maybe it's all on the merits, right,

1012
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 4>there was a Gavin Newsom's former aid it was just prosecuted.

1013
00:46:25.480 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 4>Maybe it's coming out of that. What we know is

1014
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 4>Trump is openly called on his attorney general to go

1015
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:33.239
<v Speaker 4>after his enemies. He just tried to install Bill Poulty,

1016
00:46:33.320 --> 00:46:35.800
<v Speaker 4>a man with no national security experience, as the Director

1017
00:46:35.800 --> 00:46:39.719
<v Speaker 4>of National Intelligence, solely because that man has shown a

1018
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:43.719
<v Speaker 4>creativity in using his accessed information to go after Trump's critics.

1019
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:45.920
<v Speaker 4>So it seems like part of a pattern.

1020
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:48.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it is the cynical view It's also

1021
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:52.039
<v Speaker 2>the like everything we've seen from Trump over the last

1022
00:46:52.199 --> 00:46:56.079
<v Speaker 2>decade leads you to believe that whoever he thinks is

1023
00:46:56.159 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>leading in the race for the Democratic nomination going to

1024
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:04.239
<v Speaker 2>look to see if there were any kind of possibilities

1025
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.800
<v Speaker 2>for investigation, right, Like that's all it takes, too, is so? Yeah,

1026
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>so Gavin Newsom's former aid right who ended up you know,

1027
00:47:12.679 --> 00:47:15.239
<v Speaker 2>being convicted or taking a deal or something based on

1028
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:18.360
<v Speaker 2>activities that preceded her time working for Gavin Newsom at all,

1029
00:47:19.519 --> 00:47:23.039
<v Speaker 2>But doesn't matter, you know, like Jen Newsom has some

1030
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:26.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of a nonprofit and is there is there questions

1031
00:47:26.400 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 2>about the nonprofit and the payments. Like any any thread

1032
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.880
<v Speaker 2>that Trump and his administration can pull on any of

1033
00:47:32.920 --> 00:47:37.119
<v Speaker 2>these potential contenders, they will, and probably knowing that they

1034
00:47:37.119 --> 00:47:39.719
<v Speaker 2>can't actually investigate all of them at once when they're

1035
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.679
<v Speaker 2>all on the primary stage together, they're going to go

1036
00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 2>after the people who are leading in the polls. And really,

1037
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:45.880
<v Speaker 2>I think the only way you're going to avoid investigation

1038
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.199
<v Speaker 2>from Donald Trump is if you were last place in

1039
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:51.159
<v Speaker 2>the polls and suddenly surprise everyone and then win win

1040
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:52.880
<v Speaker 2>a race, and then you know, then they'll get an

1041
00:47:52.920 --> 00:47:55.960
<v Speaker 2>investigation going pretty fast. Yeah, but that's when he's going

1042
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>to go.

1043
00:47:56.320 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 1>We need like a junior soprano to be the kind

1044
00:47:58.159 --> 00:48:00.320
<v Speaker 1>of to be the face of the operation while Tony's

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00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:01.440
<v Speaker 1>running things behind the scenes.

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00:48:03.239 --> 00:48:05.840
<v Speaker 2>Ben Jacobs on Twitter was like, this is a good

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00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:08.320
<v Speaker 2>case for Hunter Biden being the nominee since he was

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00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:14.119
<v Speaker 2>already already part of that part many ideas flooding himself

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00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>for this, but that I mean, it is, it's it's pretty.

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00:48:17.440 --> 00:48:20.119
<v Speaker 2>It's to me, it was like a preview of even

1051
00:48:20.199 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>now where we're like, okay, Democrats could do all the midterms,

1052
00:48:22.440 --> 00:48:24.760
<v Speaker 2>everything's fine, Like we're heading to twenty twenty eight, and

1053
00:48:24.880 --> 00:48:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the idea that this is just going to be some

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00:48:26.440 --> 00:48:28.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of a fair fight. And even if there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot between Donald Trump refusing to leave the White House

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00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.559
<v Speaker 2>or running for a third term and then everything going

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00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:37.760
<v Speaker 2>swimmingly and nothing happened, there's just a ton of room

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00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:38.360
<v Speaker 2>between them.

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<v Speaker 1>We I think we just can say whoever is the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic nominee. Regardless of what investigation to launch for the primary,

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00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:47.320
<v Speaker 1>there will be an intensive effort to try to paint

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00:48:47.360 --> 00:48:52.320
<v Speaker 1>them as a corrupt criminal between sort of say sort

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00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:54.760
<v Speaker 1>of June and the election. They will use all the

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00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.519
<v Speaker 1>power at their disposal, they will try to muddy the waters.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, like part of this is this

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00:48:59.920 --> 00:49:02.760
<v Speaker 1>is why selective prosecution is so dangerous. We live in

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00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:05.440
<v Speaker 1>a free society and we know that if you start

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00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:09.360
<v Speaker 1>digging into anyone's finances, taxes, history, you can you can

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00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:11.639
<v Speaker 1>try to drum something up. You can find a discrepancy,

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00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:13.679
<v Speaker 1>you can find something that you can use to bring

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00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:17.039
<v Speaker 1>to a grand jury like that. That is what it

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00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:20.239
<v Speaker 1>is so dangerous to have a DOJ like this. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the client right wing media, if they

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<v Speaker 1>find anything, they will say, well, look, this is this

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00:49:24.199 --> 00:49:27.960
<v Speaker 1>was a legitimate investigation. They found this irs discrepancy, This

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00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.840
<v Speaker 1>needed to be punished and without sort of any understanding

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00:49:31.840 --> 00:49:34.800
<v Speaker 1>of how dangerous is to have people being chosen as

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00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 1>targets to look for crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Did Devin front run this? Yeah, yeah, so say the

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<v Speaker 2>Time Story. I wonder if they got a call.

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00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:43.400
<v Speaker 4>From the Time saying we're running this and they got

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00:49:43.400 --> 00:49:45.119
<v Speaker 4>ahead of it or how this went.

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<v Speaker 2>Because I do the Time Story does have some of

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00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:51.159
<v Speaker 2>the some newsome officials on background in there, and it

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00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>also has some officials I guess from the Justice Department

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00:49:54.400 --> 00:49:57.760
<v Speaker 2>as well, though the Justice Department won't comment officially obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>They also said that it was like by federal officials

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00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:05.760
<v Speaker 2>in California, not in Washington, the investigation. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that it was we haven't talked about like the

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00:50:07.719 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 2>politics of this, but I thought it was smart that

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00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.559
<v Speaker 2>Newsome got out ahead of it and was able to

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<v Speaker 2>frame it as Trump coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, like it just shows how much communications have

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00:50:16.639 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 4>changed over the last decade or two, because normally when

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<v Speaker 4>there's some sort of crimical prosecution or investigation, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>say anything, you let your lawyers speak, or you don't comment,

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<v Speaker 4>and you don't want to put anything else into public domain.

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<v Speaker 4>They view this as a pr battle, which tells you,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, they probably feel confident about the legal side

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00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:35.119
<v Speaker 4>of things and they just want to get ahead of

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<v Speaker 4>the political fight.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think this is going to be a collective

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00:50:38.280 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 2>action problem because everyone's interests are obviously not aligned here

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00:50:41.800 --> 00:50:44.719
<v Speaker 2>but for the other Democratic and no one's announced yet,

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00:50:44.719 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't work right now. But as we get

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<v Speaker 2>into this, like all the other Democratic candidates, someone gets

1108
00:50:50.199 --> 00:50:52.840
<v Speaker 2>targeted like this, even if it's your potential rival, you

1109
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:55.519
<v Speaker 2>got to go out and say that it's absolutely bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>and stick up for them. I think I'll get sticked

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<v Speaker 2>up for each other.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think that's also free. By the way, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's of equity for Pee Boota Joey

1114
00:51:01.159 --> 00:51:02.840
<v Speaker 1>saying like I think Trump has a point about new Something.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a lot of Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a difference between There's a difference between waiting to

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00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.039
<v Speaker 2>get asked about it and saying that and then coming

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00:51:09.039 --> 00:51:11.480
<v Speaker 2>out strongly yeah and saying it's going to be a

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00:51:11.519 --> 00:51:12.079
<v Speaker 2>fucking problem.

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<v Speaker 4>What about going down to John Bolton's prison and singing

1121
00:51:15.480 --> 00:51:17.559
<v Speaker 4>him some sort of song through.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he?

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<v Speaker 2>Where is he right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Because I saw he's a comment he cut a deal, right,

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<v Speaker 1>he's cutting a deal.

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<v Speaker 4>But he could I don't think it's gone through the

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<v Speaker 4>process yet, but I think you could get up to

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<v Speaker 4>five years even with this deal.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just money. I thought he was just paying money.

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<v Speaker 4>The reporting I read was fine and potentially up to

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<v Speaker 4>five years and hopefully for his sake that there'll be

1133
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.000
<v Speaker 4>some leniency. But like the dude was like, sending emails

1134
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 4>to himself and to his wife and daughter with classified

1135
00:51:42.599 --> 00:51:44.599
<v Speaker 4>information is like the dumbest thing you could possibly do.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I've said this before, I'll say it again. I

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00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.519
<v Speaker 1>hate what Donald Trump has done to the DOJ. I

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00:51:48.519 --> 00:51:50.880
<v Speaker 1>will not be angry if James Common goes to prison.

1139
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<v Speaker 1>Wow over here, I'll be listen. I'll obviously be upset

1140
00:51:56.800 --> 00:51:58.400
<v Speaker 1>about the injustice. But I'm just saying he can use

1141
00:51:58.400 --> 00:51:59.840
<v Speaker 1>a couple of nights behind those bars to think about

1142
00:51:59.840 --> 00:52:02.719
<v Speaker 1>what he stuck. I'm just he's so tall, and he's

1143
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:07.800
<v Speaker 1>made so many mistakes. I think I think it's morally reprehensible.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think it's a good thing. I'm just saying

1145
00:52:10.719 --> 00:52:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I think he'll videos he does what he.

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00:52:12.400 --> 00:52:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Does, posts everything he does. I think that has been

1147
00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 2>an imprisonment all of its own. Sure, inside of a jail.

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<v Speaker 1>Cell, just saying a bulwark, exclusive ceiling, run that tin

1149
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<v Speaker 1>cup across the bars.

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<v Speaker 2>James Commy MSNBC reports that the Trump administration has been

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<v Speaker 2>pressuring DOJ officials to come up with a case against

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<v Speaker 2>Kevin Newsom. Yeah, I mean, so there you go, all

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<v Speaker 2>right when we come back. Tommy talks to Senator Mark Warner.

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<v Speaker 4>My guest today is vice Chair of the Senate Intelligence

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<v Speaker 4>Committee and the senior US Senator from Virginia, Senator Warner.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for doing the show.

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<v Speaker 7>Thanks Tommy.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're speaking on Monday afternoon Pacific time. We're still

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<v Speaker 4>waiting with baited breath to see if we'll ever see

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<v Speaker 4>the actual text of whatever Donald Trump negotiated with Iran

1184
00:54:08.920 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 4>about their you know, the straight of her moves. What

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00:54:11.440 --> 00:54:15.239
<v Speaker 4>do you know about this digitally signed memorandum of understanding

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00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:17.159
<v Speaker 4>between the US and Iran? And what do you make

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00:54:17.199 --> 00:54:19.000
<v Speaker 4>on sort of the leaks and reporting on it so far?

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<v Speaker 5>I know, zippo, I know nothing more than you, and

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<v Speaker 5>I think, frankly, even my Republican Senate friends have not

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<v Speaker 5>seen any of this. You know, we do wonder whether

1191
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:32.960
<v Speaker 5>this was time for his birthday or to try to

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<v Speaker 5>affect the markets today.

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<v Speaker 7>We do know, I think this is less than what

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00:54:39.199 --> 00:54:39.760
<v Speaker 7>it appears.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, we knew at some point Trump was

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<v Speaker 5>going to declare victory and the sooner we get out

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00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.239
<v Speaker 5>of this war of choice, the better. But if as

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<v Speaker 5>you know, I hate to kind of like suck up,

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<v Speaker 5>but if you look at your your tweets today, you

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00:54:53.639 --> 00:54:56.519
<v Speaker 5>know you are absolutely right on all four of the

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00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:57.760
<v Speaker 5>goals that Trump laid out.

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<v Speaker 7>We're not close to any of them.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you tell, we maybe have an agreement to have

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00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:03.800
<v Speaker 4>more talks where they will try to get to an

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<v Speaker 4>agreement that's about the nuclear program, the ballistic missile, support

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00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:11.000
<v Speaker 4>for proxies, et cetera. But it's all forward looking as

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<v Speaker 4>far as I can tell, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, the things we do know are this, the

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00:55:17.119 --> 00:55:19.920
<v Speaker 5>regime is more hardcore now than it was before. The

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<v Speaker 5>new leader, since we killed his dad, his wife, his kid,

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00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 5>more hardcore. We do know that the Iranians have been

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<v Speaker 5>masters for years at trying to hide the ball on

1213
00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:33.679
<v Speaker 5>their enriched uranium. And the idea that we're somehow going

1214
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<v Speaker 5>to get this without troops on the ground or by

1215
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<v Speaker 5>some international agreement, God willing.

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<v Speaker 7>But I'm not going to hold my breath.

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<v Speaker 5>The fact that that d D and HEGSEF misrepresented how

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<v Speaker 5>much we had taken out of the Iranian realistic missiles

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<v Speaker 5>obviously not the case. Since they're still shooting them off,

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<v Speaker 5>and that doesn't even count their drones. And then we've

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<v Speaker 5>taken what was an international open gateway of passage straight

1222
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:02.599
<v Speaker 5>upward moves and Iran will have something to say on

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<v Speaker 5>a going forward basis. None of that makes us, None

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<v Speaker 5>of that makes our golf allies, none of it even

1225
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.760
<v Speaker 5>frankly makes Israel stronger than when we started one hundred

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<v Speaker 5>and seven days ago.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean, I noticed in the run up to

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<v Speaker 4>the war, the Iran hawks trotted out of the new

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<v Speaker 4>talking point, which is that Iran could create a ballistic

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<v Speaker 4>missile arsenal that was so great that it might be

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<v Speaker 4>able to prevent the US in Israel from taking out

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<v Speaker 4>their nuclear infrastructure.

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<v Speaker 2>In the future.

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<v Speaker 4>So I did want to ask you about the state

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<v Speaker 4>of that ballistic missile inventory and their capacity to manufacture

1236
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:36.559
<v Speaker 4>new ballistic missiles. What do we know that you can

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<v Speaker 4>discuss publicly.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, we know that we have degraded it's both the

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<v Speaker 5>missiles and their launchers. We took out some of them.

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<v Speaker 5>The earlier estimates and I can say this because it's

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<v Speaker 5>in the public that we had eliminated seventy eighty ninety

1242
00:56:49.719 --> 00:56:56.320
<v Speaker 5>percent are just factually not true, and they have had

1243
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<v Speaker 5>many of the launchers as well are still existing. They

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00:57:00.519 --> 00:57:05.000
<v Speaker 5>can they can obviously reconstitute some of these missiles. We

1245
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:07.760
<v Speaker 5>have not been able to blow up how all that started,

1246
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 5>and these missiles are significant, but again we took down

1247
00:57:13.880 --> 00:57:16.199
<v Speaker 5>many of them. But as we go into this war

1248
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<v Speaker 5>of choice, what we have done, and this is the

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<v Speaker 5>part where the Iranians I think will come back unfortunately

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<v Speaker 5>and bite us, is they have been dribbling out their missiles.

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<v Speaker 5>We have been using, both with the missiles and the drones,

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<v Speaker 5>very expensive interceptors that cost you know, two and a

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<v Speaker 5>half million dollars apiece, and they have bled down our supplies,

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00:57:37.280 --> 00:57:41.800
<v Speaker 5>our supplies called allies, even Israel supplies, so that if

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<v Speaker 5>they have anything close to what we presume, they can

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<v Speaker 5>continue to bleed that down and at some point we

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<v Speaker 5>won't have the capacity.

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<v Speaker 7>To take them out.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the reasons why it was so insane that

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<v Speaker 5>we didn't take the Ukrainians offer in December, where they

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<v Speaker 5>were going to say, we will give you our anti

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00:57:59.519 --> 00:58:02.280
<v Speaker 5>droned technology, which they have the best in the world,

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<v Speaker 5>which could have at least taken down the Iranian drones.

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<v Speaker 4>Right right, And you mentioned the new sort of set

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<v Speaker 4>of leaders. I mean that the previous Supreme Leader of

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<v Speaker 4>Iran was quite well known. He'd been around for a while,

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<v Speaker 4>as were a lot of the senior members of the

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<v Speaker 4>IRGC and the Iranian military. Then Israel in the US

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00:58:19.679 --> 00:58:22.719
<v Speaker 4>killed a lot of them. Now it's iron it's led

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<v Speaker 4>by this new crop of leaders. You know, Supreme Leader's

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00:58:25.800 --> 00:58:29.199
<v Speaker 4>son is apparently really wounded in hiding, but presumably more

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<v Speaker 4>hard line than maybe his father, since we killed his dad,

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00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.320
<v Speaker 4>we killed his wife, we killed his kids, I think reportedly,

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<v Speaker 4>Now there's a new crop of younger IRGC generals who

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<v Speaker 4>seem to be more firmly entrenched. Trump keeps saying that

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<v Speaker 4>the new crowd is more pragmatic.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you know about the new crowd?

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00:58:45.280 --> 00:58:50.599
<v Speaker 5>There is absolutely zero evidence that anybody in the new

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00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.519
<v Speaker 5>crowd is more pragmatic, that is more westward leaning. They

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00:58:55.559 --> 00:58:58.159
<v Speaker 5>may live in fear, and I think we have put

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00:58:58.559 --> 00:59:02.159
<v Speaker 5>fear of God, and I'm but the idea that they're

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<v Speaker 5>more willing to make a deal. There's been no evidence

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00:59:04.719 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 5>to date that I've seen in any intelligence on that.

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00:59:08.639 --> 00:59:12.840
<v Speaker 5>And matter of fact, the structure Orion was they always had,

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00:59:12.880 --> 00:59:15.920
<v Speaker 5>they have a government, and they have a former military

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00:59:15.920 --> 00:59:18.880
<v Speaker 5>that's a little bit separate from the RGC. The one

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00:59:18.920 --> 00:59:21.079
<v Speaker 5>thing that is the case is that the government, which

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00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.639
<v Speaker 5>was sometimes more moderate in the more traditional military, they

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00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:28.039
<v Speaker 5>have lost power in this last one hundred and eight days.

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00:59:28.320 --> 00:59:31.159
<v Speaker 5>So ier GC, more radical, more.

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<v Speaker 4>In power, excellent, a big win for us. What we

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<v Speaker 4>think is maybe the outlines of a future deal would

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<v Speaker 4>require Israel to honor a ceasefire in Lebanon against TSBLA

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<v Speaker 4>as well. Do you have any confidence that net Yahoo

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<v Speaker 4>or Hezbolah will honor that ceasefire because it seems like Netnya,

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<v Speaker 4>who is a pretty decent political incentive to blow up

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<v Speaker 4>the deal given the initial response to it in Israel.

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<v Speaker 5>I have no confidence that BB who's got his own

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<v Speaker 5>political problems, and I think in many ways has it

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<v Speaker 5>really hurt Israel's reputation in the region around the world.

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<v Speaker 7>And then the.

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<v Speaker 5>Again tragedy on top of tragedy. I think there was

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<v Speaker 5>a moment in the fact that Israel is negotiating with

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01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:16.079
<v Speaker 5>the Lebanese government if we could have actually put some

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01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:20.280
<v Speaker 5>oomph behind that and help the Lebanese government, who does

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01:00:20.360 --> 01:00:24.400
<v Speaker 5>have a military, actually disarm has Belah. The people of

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01:00:24.480 --> 01:00:26.920
<v Speaker 5>Lebanon might have come out of this better. They are

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01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:30.519
<v Speaker 5>not now, and instead you've got the net Yalu government

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<v Speaker 5>bombing not only the Shia, but unfortunately Drew's Christian and

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01:00:34.239 --> 01:00:38.239
<v Speaker 5>Sunni villages in the south. And my fear is pushing

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<v Speaker 5>some of the Lebanese, you know, back into the hands

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<v Speaker 5>of Hespelah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and it sounds like Israel has not agreed to

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01:00:46.199 --> 01:00:49.000
<v Speaker 4>pull its troops out of Lebanon. My understandings, they are occupying,

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01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.280
<v Speaker 4>you know, up to sort of six miles over the border.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just wondering how.

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<v Speaker 4>An ongoing occupation is not likely to lead to renewed,

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<v Speaker 4>if not increase conflict.

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<v Speaker 7>Was that called a softball question?

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<v Speaker 5>Yes, you know, it's like, yeah, and we've seen you know,

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<v Speaker 5>Bbe's got his own political problems, he's under indictment. He

1322
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:14.599
<v Speaker 5>has to maintain this fart right agenda. And my fear

1323
01:01:14.679 --> 01:01:17.480
<v Speaker 5>is not only Lepidin, but what also is taking place.

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<v Speaker 5>And one of the reasons why I voted against even

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01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:23.920
<v Speaker 5>giving any more bulldozers to Israel. The other tragedy that's

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01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:27.039
<v Speaker 5>taking place is what's happening on the West Bank. As

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01:01:27.159 --> 01:01:34.159
<v Speaker 5>the Israeli settlers, Frank, they doo awful things on just

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01:01:34.199 --> 01:01:35.519
<v Speaker 5>some of the Palestinian villages.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just big picture.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I'm struggling with how to talk about this

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01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.280
<v Speaker 4>as a Democrat, because I think the best option available

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01:01:42.320 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 4>to Donald Trump was ending the war as soon as

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01:01:44.599 --> 01:01:47.679
<v Speaker 4>humanly possible for a variety of reasons, but especially because

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01:01:47.719 --> 01:01:49.239
<v Speaker 4>I was worried that this was going to lead to

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01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:52.800
<v Speaker 4>a famine in places like Sudan and mass starvation and

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01:01:52.880 --> 01:01:56.519
<v Speaker 4>death because fertilizer and fuel just wasn't getting through the strait.

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01:01:56.920 --> 01:01:58.800
<v Speaker 4>At the same time, I don't think we should give

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01:01:58.800 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 4>Donald Trump a pass for launching this catastrophic, unnecessary war,

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01:02:03.239 --> 01:02:06.679
<v Speaker 4>because all the outcomes he might get through this negotiation

1340
01:02:06.800 --> 01:02:09.199
<v Speaker 4>process he could have gotten just by talking to them

1341
01:02:09.239 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 4>in the first place and not bombing them. So how

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<v Speaker 4>are you thinking about how to talk about.

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<v Speaker 5>This, Tommy? It is such a That is a very

1344
01:02:18.320 --> 01:02:23.159
<v Speaker 5>fair question. I don't want to Trump gets no credit

1345
01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.360
<v Speaker 5>for this war of choice and where we are, and

1346
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:28.719
<v Speaker 5>that doesn't even count the one hundred billion dollars of

1347
01:02:29.559 --> 01:02:30.719
<v Speaker 5>assets we've lost.

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<v Speaker 7>In the region.

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<v Speaker 5>It doesn't cost the sixty billion dollars of increased gas prices,

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01:02:34.079 --> 01:02:37.559
<v Speaker 5>It doesn't cost the effect of in Sudan and elsewhere.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm not going to you know, but the question is,

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01:02:42.039 --> 01:02:43.719
<v Speaker 5>I'm not going to just blast him for ending it,

1353
01:02:43.719 --> 01:02:49.519
<v Speaker 5>because ending it was you know, this, this agreement will

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01:02:49.559 --> 01:02:53.840
<v Speaker 5>not stand the test of any scrutiny. You know, I'm

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01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:55.440
<v Speaker 5>not going to give him credit. But I'm glad he

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01:02:55.599 --> 01:02:58.840
<v Speaker 5>ended it rather than continued where what could have led

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01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:01.760
<v Speaker 5>to even a worse circumstance. So I actually think on

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<v Speaker 5>this one, the there is no way even a Trumpian

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01:03:06.239 --> 01:03:09.239
<v Speaker 5>figure can turn this in anything other than what it

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01:03:09.320 --> 01:03:11.360
<v Speaker 5>is is that we America and our friends are in

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01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:13.800
<v Speaker 5>worse place than we were at the end of February.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agreed with you there, switching gears a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>So Trump tried to install a man named Bill Poulty

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<v Speaker 4>as the Director of National Intelligence. I'd love to hear

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01:03:22.639 --> 01:03:25.360
<v Speaker 4>your thoughts on why you think he made that selection,

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01:03:25.960 --> 01:03:29.400
<v Speaker 4>whether Poulty even would have met the statutory requirements for

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01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.880
<v Speaker 4>the job. I should say he yanked Poultie nomination after

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01:03:32.519 --> 01:03:36.480
<v Speaker 4>Democrats in the Senates at hell, No, no way. And

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<v Speaker 4>did that selection make you even more worried about how

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<v Speaker 4>Trump might have used the intelligence community?

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<v Speaker 7>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 5>Bill Poulty is a third generation rich kid who literally

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01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:50.679
<v Speaker 5>got thrown out of his own family's company, right, and

1374
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:54.519
<v Speaker 5>then you know, taking what would be a relatively benign

1375
01:03:54.760 --> 01:03:59.280
<v Speaker 5>oversight of the mortgage Fannie and Freddie was able to

1376
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:06.039
<v Speaker 5>take private information about Lisa Cook at the Federal Reserve.

1377
01:04:06.679 --> 01:04:10.599
<v Speaker 5>Adam Shift won my colleagues and weaponize that. I do

1378
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:13.599
<v Speaker 5>think figures in the White House tried to prevent Trump

1379
01:04:13.599 --> 01:04:17.039
<v Speaker 5>from doing this, but is always the case, Pulty or

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01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.679
<v Speaker 5>whoever speaks to the president. Last he got him, he

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01:04:19.719 --> 01:04:22.199
<v Speaker 5>got him put in, and I am you know, and

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01:04:22.679 --> 01:04:24.559
<v Speaker 5>this came in a moment in time when we have

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<v Speaker 5>to reauthorize something called Section seven oh two, which is

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01:04:27.920 --> 01:04:33.480
<v Speaker 5>a critical intelligence tool that the Biden's, Obama's everybody supported,

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01:04:36.639 --> 01:04:40.559
<v Speaker 5>and we've used our leverage to say, you know, we're

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01:04:40.599 --> 01:04:42.599
<v Speaker 5>not going to reauthorize seven o two if Poulty is

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01:04:42.599 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 5>there now. My concern, frankly, is seven o two has

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01:04:46.079 --> 01:04:49.840
<v Speaker 5>got enough bills and whistles and audits that if he

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01:04:49.920 --> 01:04:53.760
<v Speaker 5>misuses that it will be I think we'll find it.

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01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:56.039
<v Speaker 5>I'm more concerned about the fact that this guy who

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01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:59.199
<v Speaker 5>doesn't even a national security clearance suddenly gets the keys

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01:04:59.239 --> 01:05:02.920
<v Speaker 5>to eighteen eight agencies maliciously or not gets exposed to

1393
01:05:03.000 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 5>things that could be a huge security risk. And our

1394
01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:09.199
<v Speaker 5>challenge right now and and this, you know, this goes

1395
01:05:09.239 --> 01:05:13.360
<v Speaker 5>down the rabbit hole. You know, Trump has finally appointed

1396
01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:18.440
<v Speaker 5>somebody else, someone who you know, I've worked with at times.

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01:05:18.480 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 5>I still need to ask him Jay Clayton, who was

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01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.800
<v Speaker 5>the former SEC head and and the current US Attorney

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01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:26.679
<v Speaker 5>for the Southern District of Manhattan. You know, I want

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01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:28.159
<v Speaker 5>to make sure he's not going to interfere in our

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01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:31.800
<v Speaker 5>elections and you know, basic constitutional rights. But if we

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01:05:31.880 --> 01:05:35.239
<v Speaker 5>delay getting him in, Poulty could still serve and there's

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01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.320
<v Speaker 5>nothing we can do as an interim for a few days.

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01:05:38.360 --> 01:05:40.960
<v Speaker 5>And you know, I think the Democrats in the Senate

1405
01:05:41.000 --> 01:05:44.480
<v Speaker 5>will have to decide do we wave to get this through.

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01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:47.519
<v Speaker 5>He will get confirmed, I hope the sooner than later,

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01:05:47.639 --> 01:05:50.280
<v Speaker 5>so that we don't have Pulty in this office hopefully.

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01:05:50.280 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 4>Ever, Oh so that's why you're trying to fast track

1409
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:55.280
<v Speaker 4>Jay Clayton's nomination to try to shrink the amount of

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01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:57.719
<v Speaker 4>time that that Poulty could be in that job.

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01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.519
<v Speaker 5>Yes, sir, Yes, and again and it's and it's like

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01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.559
<v Speaker 5>and the irony and here's the thing, you know, I

1413
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:07.760
<v Speaker 5>had huge problems with Tulsa Gabbart. Yeah, current, she was

1414
01:06:07.800 --> 01:06:10.119
<v Speaker 5>going to stay until the end of the month. Paulty

1415
01:06:10.159 --> 01:06:14.119
<v Speaker 5>tried to fire her, and they advanced her leaving date

1416
01:06:14.159 --> 01:06:16.840
<v Speaker 5>till this coming Friday. If she would just I never thay,

1417
01:06:16.840 --> 01:06:19.360
<v Speaker 5>I want to say Gabbart say, but if she would

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01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:20.639
<v Speaker 5>stay until the beginning.

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01:06:20.320 --> 01:06:22.039
<v Speaker 7>Of July, we could get it done in two weeks.

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01:06:22.239 --> 01:06:23.960
<v Speaker 5>Right, Whether we get it done in one weeks will

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01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:27.599
<v Speaker 5>be frankly up to my Democratic colleagues, who, you know,

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01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:30.480
<v Speaker 5>they can vote against Clayton, they can, you know, vote

1423
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:35.400
<v Speaker 5>against seven oh two. But please let's separate keeping Paulty

1424
01:06:35.480 --> 01:06:40.679
<v Speaker 5>out of the job and the the you know, the

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01:06:40.679 --> 01:06:42.360
<v Speaker 5>renewal of Section seven oh two.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I'm with you on prioritizing keeping Pulty away from

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01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:47.760
<v Speaker 4>all of that information. I do want to ask you

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01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 4>about fives of Section seven oh two of though, because

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01:06:50.119 --> 01:06:52.760
<v Speaker 4>for those who aren't familiar, this is the provision that

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01:06:53.199 --> 01:06:57.719
<v Speaker 4>lets the intelligence community get information from American telecom companies

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01:06:57.760 --> 01:07:02.239
<v Speaker 4>to turn over the electronic communication of foreign persons located

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01:07:02.280 --> 01:07:04.199
<v Speaker 4>outside of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>Without a warrant.

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<v Speaker 4>And civil liberties advocates have long been concerned about seven

1435
01:07:07.199 --> 01:07:10.440
<v Speaker 4>oh two because of the potential for abuse, and also

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01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.519
<v Speaker 4>because communications to and from American citizens and those foreign

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01:07:14.559 --> 01:07:18.000
<v Speaker 4>persons are often captured in the process without a warrant

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01:07:18.159 --> 01:07:22.960
<v Speaker 4>and could be reviewed and you know, by people investigating

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01:07:22.960 --> 01:07:26.239
<v Speaker 4>them the information. So in the past I have mostly

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01:07:26.239 --> 01:07:30.119
<v Speaker 4>felt like on balance that Section O two was defensible

1441
01:07:30.519 --> 01:07:32.559
<v Speaker 4>for a variety of reasons. It is the thing that

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01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 4>national security professionals will tell you is the most important

1443
01:07:36.000 --> 01:07:38.719
<v Speaker 4>tool in their toolkit. But I'll tell you after the

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01:07:38.760 --> 01:07:43.239
<v Speaker 4>Polti selection, I no longer have confidence that Trump won't

1445
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.360
<v Speaker 4>use all of these tools to abuse his authorities. So

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01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:49.159
<v Speaker 4>why am I wrong? Like, why am I wrong that

1447
01:07:49.199 --> 01:07:50.239
<v Speaker 4>Democrats should fight this?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, First of all section seven oh two, which has

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01:07:53.400 --> 01:07:57.679
<v Speaker 5>had prior abuses, We've gone through three rounds of reforms.

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01:07:58.960 --> 01:08:01.480
<v Speaker 5>The FBI used to be very callous about how it

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01:08:01.599 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 5>used it. They went from only sixty percent compliance to

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01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:10.000
<v Speaker 5>ninety eight percent compliance on making sure that appropriate checks

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01:08:10.159 --> 01:08:12.400
<v Speaker 5>balances are dealt with number one.

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<v Speaker 7>Number two.

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<v Speaker 5>My concern with Pulti is so great not about seven

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01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:21.840
<v Speaker 5>oh two, because there are enough reporting that he will

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01:08:21.880 --> 01:08:25.520
<v Speaker 5>at least be discovered. Now that may not assuage you,

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<v Speaker 5>but there will be an audit trail whereas he could

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<v Speaker 5>try to get other information that doesn't have near the

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<v Speaker 5>same audit trail. And then I do think there is

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<v Speaker 5>a one of the things that took me a long

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<v Speaker 5>time to wrap my head around this. So you've got

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<v Speaker 5>two Russian spies, one of Moscow, one in Paris. They're

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<v Speaker 5>talking about these they keep mentioning this guy Tommy, and

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01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:53.239
<v Speaker 5>we don't know from listening whether Tommy is collaborating with

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<v Speaker 5>the Russians or someone the Russians are going after to

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<v Speaker 5>see if they can hack into Tommy actually be a victim.

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<v Speaker 5>And the idea what this is the part that I

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<v Speaker 5>don't think people fully understand. If we want to look

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<v Speaker 5>at who else Tommy has called, because we've got Tommy's name,

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<v Speaker 5>we've got his number, we can only look at, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>the numbers, but not the content. If you want to

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01:09:23.039 --> 01:09:25.600
<v Speaker 5>look at the you know, and say, on an email

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01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:28.880
<v Speaker 5>like Tommy sends something to Mark, if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>look at the content, you have to get a warrant.

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<v Speaker 5>But the idea that you could get a warrant because

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<v Speaker 5>there is the circumstance that this could be an active,

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01:09:37.199 --> 01:09:39.560
<v Speaker 5>live terrorist event and you don't know whether Tommy's about

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<v Speaker 5>to go to a bomb.

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<v Speaker 7>The idea that you could get a.

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<v Speaker 5>Warrant when you only know the name, when twenty percent

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<v Speaker 5>of the time, fifteen to twenty percent of the times,

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<v Speaker 5>Tommy is the victim, not the bad guy.

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<v Speaker 7>It is it is.

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<v Speaker 5>At the end of the day, I've come down. This

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<v Speaker 5>is such an important security tool. Prethent Obamas supported President

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01:10:00.720 --> 01:10:05.199
<v Speaker 5>Biden Trump. It is seventy percent of what we was

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<v Speaker 5>in the Presidential Daily Brief. But I understand that people

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01:10:08.720 --> 01:10:11.840
<v Speaker 5>have feel the other way, and we have added, you know,

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01:10:11.920 --> 01:10:14.600
<v Speaker 5>additional requirements that if it's a politician, if it's a

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01:10:14.600 --> 01:10:17.680
<v Speaker 5>religious figure, if it's a media person, you have more hoops.

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01:10:18.000 --> 01:10:22.800
<v Speaker 5>If it's someblady where information might be about their constitutional

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01:10:22.880 --> 01:10:25.439
<v Speaker 5>rights because you're out protesting ice, you can't you can't

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01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:29.680
<v Speaker 5>use it there. It will never be from friends like

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01:10:29.760 --> 01:10:33.319
<v Speaker 5>Ron Wyden, who is a hardcore civil libertarian, We're never

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01:10:33.359 --> 01:10:37.079
<v Speaker 5>gonna I will never satisfy him. I do think there

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01:10:37.079 --> 01:10:39.840
<v Speaker 5>will be at the end of the day, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>somewhere around fifteen twenty Democrats that will still say absent

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<v Speaker 5>the problem, because here's my problem.

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<v Speaker 7>This goes away.

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01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:52.119
<v Speaker 5>God forbids something happens and Donald Trump then says, we

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01:10:52.119 --> 01:10:55.119
<v Speaker 5>wouldn't have had this incident if we had this tool

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01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:57.279
<v Speaker 5>and the irony. Just one last point on this is,

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01:10:57.680 --> 01:11:00.359
<v Speaker 5>I don't think Donald Trump actually even supports the vision

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01:11:00.439 --> 01:11:03.960
<v Speaker 5>that much, because it took into like six weeks, seven

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01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:06.319
<v Speaker 5>weeks before the bill expired, that he even came out

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01:11:06.359 --> 01:11:08.199
<v Speaker 5>and formally said he supports it.

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01:11:08.479 --> 01:11:08.600
<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, wouldn't the actual like kind of existing authorities not

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01:11:12.079 --> 01:11:14.880
<v Speaker 4>expire for almost another year if there wasn't a reauthorization.

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<v Speaker 5>That is again the where the rubber hits the road

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01:11:18.479 --> 01:11:22.560
<v Speaker 5>in twenty There is the ability that this authority is

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01:11:22.600 --> 01:11:25.279
<v Speaker 5>certified once a year and it would be maintained until March.

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<v Speaker 7>When this came up under Biden. What we heard.

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<v Speaker 5>From the telcos and this is mostly Telcos and the

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01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:39.159
<v Speaker 5>Googles and the hyperscalars, they said to Biden's security team,

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01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:43.640
<v Speaker 5>if this expires, we are no longer going to participate

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01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:49.800
<v Speaker 5>because we don't have indemnification. This expired on Friday night.

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01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:54.960
<v Speaker 5>So we're now into an area where you know who

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01:11:55.000 --> 01:11:58.199
<v Speaker 5>is right. Will they continue to participate or not? One

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01:11:58.239 --> 01:12:01.560
<v Speaker 5>of the telcoats today told me, thank goodness, that they

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01:12:01.600 --> 01:12:05.560
<v Speaker 5>will participate. The others we don't have an answer. And

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<v Speaker 5>what is insane to me is I'm the freaking a

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<v Speaker 5>vice chair, which former chair of the Intelligent I should

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01:12:12.279 --> 01:12:13.920
<v Speaker 5>know whether they are participating or not?

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<v Speaker 2>Right? Right, And.

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<v Speaker 5>In a normal world, the Justice Department, if we still

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01:12:20.279 --> 01:12:23.479
<v Speaker 5>had real lawyers, would have tried to get an injunction

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01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:26.319
<v Speaker 5>to try to force them to continue to participate until

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01:12:26.359 --> 01:12:28.439
<v Speaker 5>it was litigated out. So we don't end up with

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01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:31.439
<v Speaker 5>this gap. My understanding, they've not even filed suit yet,

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01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:35.920
<v Speaker 5>so we will. There will be this gap, hopefully not

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01:12:36.000 --> 01:12:39.319
<v Speaker 5>too long, but we will find out whether the concern

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<v Speaker 5>I had that they won't participate without indemnification is true

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<v Speaker 5>or not.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, just as long as I'm treating you like my

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01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:49.039
<v Speaker 4>deep state therapist. I mean, is it wrong to focus

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01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:50.880
<v Speaker 4>on the D and I when cash Betel is just

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01:12:50.960 --> 01:12:54.920
<v Speaker 4>as unqualified and has more authorities to conduct do things

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01:12:54.960 --> 01:12:59.000
<v Speaker 4>that are abusive against Americans via the FBI.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I have gone through a long litany of cash

1542
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:05.880
<v Speaker 5>Battel abuses and mistakes, and he should not be there.

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01:13:06.479 --> 01:13:10.399
<v Speaker 5>The D and I does get keys to all eighteen agencies. Frankly,

1544
01:13:10.439 --> 01:13:14.239
<v Speaker 5>the D and I to go nerdy again. That whole

1545
01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:17.079
<v Speaker 5>role needs to be slimmed down, probably re examined. It

1546
01:13:17.119 --> 01:13:20.000
<v Speaker 5>came out after nine to eleven, well intentioned, but grew

1547
01:13:20.039 --> 01:13:22.800
<v Speaker 5>too much. But no cash battel scares the hell out

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01:13:22.840 --> 01:13:24.479
<v Speaker 5>of me. And what also scares the hell out of

1549
01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:29.199
<v Speaker 5>me is we have seen intelligence professionals in other agencies,

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01:13:29.199 --> 01:13:32.840
<v Speaker 5>the NSA, which is our our spying organization, in terms

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01:13:32.880 --> 01:13:37.439
<v Speaker 5>of listening in you. They fired the guy who Tim Hawk,

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01:13:37.439 --> 01:13:40.920
<v Speaker 5>who was there was a career professional because Laura Lumer

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01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.920
<v Speaker 5>went after him. Or the head of the Defense Intelligence

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01:13:42.960 --> 01:13:46.479
<v Speaker 5>Agency told the truth about the first bombing of Iran

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01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:49.039
<v Speaker 5>a year ago, where he said, yeah, we whacked him

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01:13:49.039 --> 01:13:52.000
<v Speaker 5>pretty good, but we didn't obliterate the nuclear program. Obviously

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01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:53.640
<v Speaker 5>the truth or we wouldn't be back in on this.

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01:13:54.079 --> 01:13:56.359
<v Speaker 5>So you've got plenty of I got plenty of reasons

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01:13:56.359 --> 01:13:59.399
<v Speaker 5>to keep you up at night. In terms of concerns.

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<v Speaker 4>You ever seen cash ptil chug a beer guy doesn't

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01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:02.199
<v Speaker 4>spill a drop.

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<v Speaker 5>Let me tell you, man, just on video, although I

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01:14:05.159 --> 01:14:07.800
<v Speaker 5>will I won't even I'm hesitant to say this, but

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01:14:07.840 --> 01:14:12.000
<v Speaker 5>there's some comorful videos online about mister Poulty as well.

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01:14:12.039 --> 01:14:14.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, I've.

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01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:17.359
<v Speaker 4>Seen one of those. The gentleman before him seems to

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01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:19.439
<v Speaker 4>be having a good time. Senator, thank you so much

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01:14:19.439 --> 01:14:21.199
<v Speaker 4>for doing the show. Maybe when we learn what's actually

1569
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:22.399
<v Speaker 4>in this deal, we could talk again.

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<v Speaker 2>That'd be nice. Love to thanks, I appreciate.

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<v Speaker 7>It, Gotts sweet take care.

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<v Speaker 2>That's our show for today. Thanks to Senator Warner for

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<v Speaker 2>coming on. We'll be back in the feed on Friday

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01:14:36.800 --> 01:14:39.000
<v Speaker 2>with a special episode. The three of us and Dan

1575
01:14:39.079 --> 01:14:41.479
<v Speaker 2>will be recording in Chicago at the opening of the

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<v Speaker 2>Obama Presidential Center. Fun Nice talk to everybody soon. Positive

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